Aruba Lied and another Girl Died … Joran Van der Sloot Suspect in the Murder of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez in Peru … Joran on the Run


It’s deja vu all over again … Joran Van der Sloot a suspect in another girl’s murder. Who thought that he would kill again … Scared Monkey’s did!



There will be no Paulus Van der Sloot to cover up this crime

So Aruba, Joe Tacopina, Julia Renfro, Van der Stratten and the rest that adamantly defended Joran Van der Sloot in the obvious evidence against the Dutch boy in the death of Natalee Holloway.  However this time Papa Sloot will not be able to clean up his “sporter” son’s mess. To all those who defended Joran Van der Sloot … think you do not have more blood on your hands?

Joran Van der Sloot, yes the same Joran Van der Sloot suspected of murdering Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago, is now suspected in the murder of 21 year old Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez in Lima, Peru. The 22 year old Dutch sporter is now the main suspect in the murder and is the focal point of a man hunt in South America.

Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, 21, was found at the Miraflores Hotel Tac in Lima, Peru on Sunday in room registered to van der Sloot, who was arrested and released in connection with the disappearance of Holloway , an 18-year-old American student who went missing in Aruba five years ago this week.

The police press conference, Video of victim’s father and translated article regarding the murder of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez and the search for Joran Van der Sloot can be seen HERE.

How is it possible that Joran Van der Sloot once again finds himself in the middle of a murder investigation nearly five years to the day. Many of the news accounts of the murder as Stephany Flores Ramirez sound hauntingly familiar to that of the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Casinos, poker, date run drugs and a murder, oh my … Stephany’s father stated that when his daughter’s vehicle was found, there were pills found inside.

Joran Van der Sloot was in Peru attending a poker tournament in an exclusive section of Peru. Stephany Flores Ramirez left her friends at about 2:30 am and returned to the casino and met back up with Van der Sloot and was seen going back to Joran’s hotel room at 5:00 am. She was never seen again … sound familiar!!!

Guardia said the 22-year-old Dutchman, in Peru for a poker tournament, appears with the young woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday and the two were later seen entering the hotel by one of its employees.

The victim’s father, circus empresario and former race car driver Ricardo Flores, says his daughter dropped off some girlfriends at 2:35 a.m. then apparently returned to the casino. She and van der Sloot were seen entering the hotel room about 5 a.m., said Guardia, and the Dutchman departed alone about four hours later.

Joran Van der Sloot is reported as being the last person to be seen with Stephany Flores Ramirez, as he was Natalee Holloway. However, this time there is no Papa Sloot to bail is behind out of hot water. Unlike in the case of Natalee Holloway where Joran, Paulus, the Kalpoe’s et all had time to clean the situation where “some thing bad happened” this time we are witness to what occurs where there are no adults to sanitize a murder.

Van der Sloot left Peru on Monday by land, Guardia said, his exit registered at the Santa Rosa border crossing. He had been staying at the hotel since May 14, having entered on a flight from Colombia, the police general added.

The victim’s father is a 48-year-old former president of the Peruvian Automobile Club who won the “Caminos del Inca” rally in 1991 and brings circuses and foreign entertainers to Peru. He ran for vice president in 2001 and for president five years later on fringe tickets.

Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for van der Sloot, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bengt van Loosdrecht told The Associated Press in The Netherlands.

Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario in Aruba has posted on the Joran Van der Sloot bizarre story as well.

The murder and man hunt in South America for Joran Van der Sloot comes nearly five years to the date of the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway. Over the weekend Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mom, discussed her daughter’s death and commemorated his legacy with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

Joran Van der Sloot’s luck just ran out as there is no more complicit Aruba to help cover up his crimes. Joran’s word as he knows it is over. It appears that Joran Van der Sloot has done the reverse Aruba murder this time. He had the mistake of killing the daughter of a prominent father in Peru. Kind of a role reversal of the murder Joran was linked to in Aruba where his father Paulus was the prominent and influential one.

Make no mistake about it … Joran Van der Sloot has met his Waterloo.

So is this just another case of a misunderstood Joran Van der Sloot?

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UPDATE I: Joran Van der Sloot on the run from authorities.

Just like innocent people lie as Joran Van der Sloot did in the case of the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba, so do innocent people flee the country where they are wanted for questioning in the stabbing death of a 21 year old girl found in the room registered to who else, Joran Van der Sloot. Below is a translated article (from Scared forum) describing the fleeing from justice of Joran Van der Sloot.

Ica ( .- Ica Three drivers moved to Arica revealed that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing the young Stephany Flores (21), daughter of racer Ricardo Flores Chipoco, in a hotel in Miraflores .

This was reported to RPP Noticias Carlos Alberto Uribe, who said that the foreigner asked to take Nazca, where he hired two drivers to take him to Chile.

“De Nazca to Tacna paid 500 billion suns and Tacna to Arica gave us 280 suns. We learned who he was by the news,” the driver told the radio station.

It should be noted that Van der Sloot smoked constantly and will only sleep on the trip but all I got to tell was that he lived in Aruba.

“I was in shorts and white sneakers,” said one of the Aparcana Pisconte, those employed by the Dutchman to take you to Arica.

It emerged that Van der Sloot planned to travel to Cuzco on Sunday, but argued that he “spent the bus” and mysteriously changed its route south of the continent.

UPDATE II: Interpol has issued and international arrest warrant for Joran Van der Sloot.

For more, updates and to provide your opinion go to Scared Forum: Natalee Holloway.

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    70 Responses to “Aruba Lied and another Girl Died … Joran Van der Sloot Suspect in the Murder of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez in Peru … Joran on the Run”

    1. Susan on June 2nd, 2010 8:21 pm

      Let’s just hope and pray that Urine van der Slut doesn’t make it to Suriname, where once again he will be protected by Dutch law according to a guest on Nancy Grace tonight. Looking at a map of South America, if Urine crossed over into Chile, he went south of Peru, and is a far piece from Suriname. Let’s also hope and pray Urine is caught, arrested, and tried in Peru. He may as well turn himself in considering his days are numbered :-) The sooner he is caught, the better!

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    3. maria on June 2nd, 2010 8:51 pm

      Susan, I hope you are right. I have the feeling even if he thinks he will protected by the Dutch law, this time I don’t think they will protect him anymore. Daddy us gone, rotting in hell were he belongs!!!!
      We have Aruba to blame for this terrible crime.
      He should have been convicted and in prison where he can no longer hurt anyone.
      I also have the feeling, for the past 5 years, he has commited many crimes against woman.
      He is a very sick and evil person.

    4. Columbo on June 2nd, 2010 8:59 pm

      not buyin this…..first time around was the perfect crime-and now this? He’s probably already hanging from a chandelier someplace-an “apparent suicide”

    5. Steve Holloway on June 2nd, 2010 9:21 pm

      I hope and pray they find evidence and it is saved.

      It sounds like this girl’s father has great influence and will make sure justice is served.

      If Joran is put in prison, I will try and get the money together to pay him a visit.

    6. on June 2nd, 2010 9:24 pm

      You reap what you sow. Just think, Stephany would be alive today if the Aruban authorities and Paulus van der Slut had not covered for Anita’s delicious sporter.

      It’s a darn shame. Don’t think anyone will be covering up for the murderer this time.

    7. on June 2nd, 2010 9:31 pm

      Steve: that’s something I’d donate towards especially if you promise a full report.

      Joran is a turd.
      His parents and Aruban investigators bear responsibility for this second murder also

    8. maria on June 2nd, 2010 9:36 pm

      Steve, Don’t waste you time, energy and money on this POS!!!!!!

      I agree Katablog, we have Aruba to blame for the murder of Natalle and now Stephany and God knows who else.

      I do not believe the this murder, woman hater has been dormant for 5 years!

    9. Brenda in Virginia on June 2nd, 2010 9:39 pm

      Well, say it ain’t so….( we can’t).

      Aruba, Aruba. Are local born and raised on that island ready NOW to grow a pair and stand up against the leadership? Get rid of those in your local LE who are corrupt? Until you do Joran is your permenant marcot!!!

    10. Brenda in Virginia on June 2nd, 2010 9:40 pm

      (before I log off…let me impersonate Joran)

      Daddy!!! Daddy!!! Daddy!!! WTF is WRONG with you dying and leaving me to fend off these charges for myself? You know this girl deserved what she got…I mean…the accident…

    11. Waterboy on June 2nd, 2010 9:49 pm

      Didn’t we all say this would happen? I’m so sad it did. Maybe now this monster will be taken off the streets.

      If he makes it to Argentina, can he be extradited? I’m thinking the answer is no.


    12. Michael on June 2nd, 2010 9:58 pm

      JOran will go to prison or hang himself in Peru. I dont know who Aruba is, but it is run by dutch law and he is a dutch national. So I say the nlame is on the dutch system of law!!

    13. kitty on June 2nd, 2010 9:58 pm

      Dearest Steve,

      I think there are many of us here on this blog that would pitch in for your plane ticket ~ SM?… lead the way on that one!

      We will pray along with you and pray, that this time, he does not get away with it ~ as he has these last 5 years.

      God bless…

    14. barbreee on June 2nd, 2010 10:23 pm

      What!!!! Only 13 comments so far? I would have thought this would have knocked Scared Monkeys off line for a few hours. But my comment, is 5 years this person has run and run and run. He just can’t run fast enough to get away from the thoughts in his head. He has spiraled out of control and taken another life. Is the only justice Natalie will have is that he now will be removed one way or another from the world? Is it enough? We remember you Natalie. Peace be with you and your loved ones.
      SM; BTW, there are many in the forums at scared and the site did get bumped off line a couple times today.

    15. carolina on June 2nd, 2010 10:33 pm

      Why you people have to accuse Aruba for the dissapearing of natalee halloway?
      The Aruban are honest and respectfull people that treat everyone good. It is the first time something like that happened in our island.
      Everyone in aruba knows that Joran (dutch) is the main suspect in the halloway case. We allso hope that he will be in prison and stay there if he is guilthy.
      SM: Were you there? Did you go to Aruba to help search for Natalee Holloway? Did not think so. When I was there I heard many people making less that honest and respectful comments.

      Also, for those Arubans what hated what JVDS did, they should have stodd up to their government and LE and demanded answers. Instead they sat by and just wanted the story to go away. They were more worried about their precious tourism than they were the death of an 18 yo girl.

      What was the end result of the corruption and cronyism in Aruba … they cover up the murder of Natalee Holloway and 5 years later another girl is dead. Wonder how many more were inbetween.

      Yes, sorry is it hurts but Aruba does have blood on their hands.

    16. Greg the Mongoose on June 2nd, 2010 10:36 pm

      Joran you killed two Angels, Rot in Hell SOB!

    17. chris on June 2nd, 2010 10:43 pm

      what a coincidence that this girl was murdered on the exact same date that BETH her new website was launched… looks like BETH HOLLOWAY has sent another assassin to kill this innocent girl just because BETH needs MORE MONEY and more attention.. man can’t that woman EVER GET ENOUGH ATTENTION? BETH YOU ARE CRUEL, WE KNOW YOU ABUSED NATALEE, AND WE KNOW YOU HIT HER!!! NATALEE’S HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS TOLD US SO BUT YOU KEEP HIDING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
      SM: We allowed this post just to show how hateful still people are. Another innocent girl is murdered by Joran Van der Sloot and this sleeze bag makes it about Beth.

      You would not even know what it’s like to walk in Beth’s shoes and frankly, you are nothing more than what is on the bottom of one’s shoes.

      Keep it up and you will be banned TROLL.

      Hate is so unbecoming, get a life will ya.

    18. loca on June 2nd, 2010 10:56 pm

      I first came to scared monkeys when natalee was murdered because it was the best source of information and still remains the best. I am glad to see many familiar faces here who are joined in seeking justice now for two families. I am just wondering if he will take the cowards way out. I didnt like what tacopina said! that we should rush to judgement! give me a break ! the holloways and this new girls parents deserve justice.
      what is so weird is that he killed both girls on may 30th ! is that correct. He can run but he cannot hide. Now Anita will get her due for being so nasty to the holloways.
      God is good and just.

    19. loca on June 2nd, 2010 10:56 pm

      that we should not rush to judgement

    20. loca on June 2nd, 2010 11:02 pm


      how true many hands in aruba are covered with the blood of natalee and Stephanie and any other girls we have yet for us to know about. Aruba deserves no respect ! respect and integrity and honesty is a stranger to aruba. Maybe a few honest but naive folks loyal to their paiz. the truth is prevailing ! now paulus is dead and anita is left to the shame and knowledge that her son caused his fathers death by his actions. Karma!

    21. loca on June 2nd, 2010 11:08 pm

      steve holloway

      like some of the others I too can be counted on for you to have the opportunity to face him. but somehow I think that this girls father would fly you there. He is a wealthy man and I am sure he would love the opportunity to meet you and possibly join you in that jail visit. by the way how is dave and beth holding up during this ? my prayers to your family.

    22. ayfit on June 2nd, 2010 11:11 pm

      This would be good news except another girl is killed. Her father is furious as he should be. Joe T. you are no better than those you represent. What do you think happened to Natalee now you worm? Ma Ma sloot,How about an interview? This case is open and closed before it is started. I think Natalee’s was as well. Corruption? Not this time. Joron,Suicide could be your best option. Hell awaits. Tell Pa Pa hello.

    23. vhj on June 2nd, 2010 11:13 pm

      might be time for the kalpoes to come clean,evan at this late date.probably thier best bet now.waning lawsuit is all but sunk.continueing now would just be pathetic

    24. A Texas Grandfather on June 2nd, 2010 11:23 pm

      I hope they get this POS this time. How many others have been drugged,raped, beaten and sold (Amy Bradley) before Natalee and in between this murder?
      The entire world should boycott Aruba to teach them a lesson.
      I have always believed that the Vander Sloots were involved in drugs and human trafficing while Paulus was actively engaged in their criminal justice system as a means of influencing LE and the justice system in order to protect his operations.
      I hope that Steve will get the opportunity to face Joran and get some answers.

    25. ayfit on June 2nd, 2010 11:25 pm


    26. ayfit on June 2nd, 2010 11:31 pm

      One more thing before I retire for the evening.


    27. fred on June 3rd, 2010 12:57 am

      He will get what is coming to him justice will be served. The locals in Peru will take care of him.

    28. Buster on June 3rd, 2010 5:31 am

      I know where the lil puke is !!! He was here in the forum as poster # 17 !!!
      In peru they have a custom for people like urin it’s called a peruvian necktie !!! It’s when they cut your throat and pull your tongue out !!! By the way when this happens they replace your tongue with another part of your anatomy located between your legs !!!
      This formal occasion is mostly reserved for DEA or FBI drug enforcers but would be suitable for urin vanderpoop !!!
      Hey aruba see how the world is reminded of your actions over and over again !!! aruba dont forget WE WILL NEVER FORGET !!!
      aruba sucks worse than anything that ever sucked before !!!
      Hey papa vanderpoop did hell just get turned up a notch ??? you must be so proud of your son now looking up at him from your firey hell !!!
      anita vanderpoop you are next to suffer Gods rap !!!

    29. Tim on June 3rd, 2010 6:21 am

      My only fear now is that Joran will kill himself before being caught and then we’ll never know the whole truth. Maybe behind bars for life will be the platform for him to finally come clean about Natalee Holloway.

    30. neverforgets on June 3rd, 2010 6:54 am

      Columbo….I;m not buying it either. More to the story!

    31. nurturer on June 3rd, 2010 7:19 am

      I’m surprised as to how quick Interpol reacted to this. As if they were just waiting, like the rest of us, for this punk to make his next move. And apparently, he has.

      I only hope that Peru has learned from Aruba’s lesson and try to be the example to follow in capital crime investigation. I’m not holding my breath.

    32. nurturer on June 3rd, 2010 7:21 am

      #29 – He already came clean about Natalee Holloway once, but his remarks were downplayed by the Dutch and the Arubans alike.

    33. Waterboy on June 3rd, 2010 7:35 am

      “Run Joran, run!”

      The hounds of hell are hot on your heals.


    34. Scott on June 3rd, 2010 7:39 am

      Joran is a coward…the poster on #17 is a coward also.

      As a coward does; he will kill himself rather than be caught; UNLESS he wanted to be caught. How dumb can you be to kill someone in a room bought in your name?

      Aruba needs to be held accountable for their actions once more. They could have put this punk away if they would have not been so corrupt. I hope this girls father sues the island of Aruba for negligence.

      Where is that smug b*tch Renfro now?

      And to you cowards defending Joran or slamming Beth, shame on you and grow a set.

    35. Brenda in Virginia on June 3rd, 2010 7:39 am

      People people! NO WAY Urin (poster #17) would kill himself. He is too much a coward and in love with himself. I’d be amazed. We’ll see another cry-fest with mamma by his side.

      As for the Kalpoes confessing now, I doubt it. They are his pawns and it would implicate them too. Birds of a feather flock together…even buzzards I see.

      Last of all, Joran has been at this for years BEFORE he managed to kill Natalee. Many times…remember his own words? We do this all the time or have done this many times and nothing like this has happened? I bet he started raping by the time he was 15 yrs old. I’ll bet for certain.

    36. Brenda in Virginia on June 3rd, 2010 7:43 am


      I know this MUST give your family such a boost of energy and hope. Natalee will be avenged now one way or another as Urin is going to be in a jail-cell. (Remember his complaining about not having a proper pillow way back? Didn’t momma bring him one? OH boy….cannot wait to see the new mug shot.)

    37. Tim on June 3rd, 2010 7:56 am

      #32 True he “came clean” several times already, but id like something that maybe turns up some remains, or something that can be varified. I dont know, no more open ended stories from this clown is all im asking for. Then he can die and join his father in hell.

    38. Attorney Joe Tacopina & Julia Renfo Still Making Excuses for Murderer Joran Van der Sloot & Aruba | Scared Monkeys on June 3rd, 2010 8:03 am

      [...] Then Renfro leaves us with the following BS of which every one with a brain knows to be false, especially in light of Joran Van der Sloot murdering again. Just let it flow off your lips Julia and get used to saying it … yes there was a cover up in Aruba and because of it another girl is dead. Happy? [...]

    39. Lisa in Maryland on June 3rd, 2010 8:08 am

      Well, we knew it was bound to happen and only a matter of time. So sadly, as we suspected, with a loss of yet another life. No Satisfaction, as we grieve another beautiful, young life taken.

      As we also suspect the probable end of Joran Van der Sloot will be the sociopathic “cowards” way out. Chances are he will leave the families and friends who have for so long waited for answers with a lack there of.

      To the Holloway & Florez families and friends of both Natalee & Stephany I pray for tranquil peace in your hearts in knowing that God’s justice is the ULTIMATE JUSTICE and God’s justice will prevail.


      Joe Taco (you money grubbing, pond scum sucking lawyer) you remember this as your day in that court will come!

      Many Blessings for Natalee & Stephany as they walk with the Lord.

    40. Brenda in Virginia on June 3rd, 2010 8:31 am

      Didn’t Urin also kill a family pet/dog? We had a neighbor boy years ago who would hunt and kill nests of baby birds. I had to go to his dad and demand the boy stay out of my yard. The father answered it was only birds and once touched the parents reject them anyway…in other words…TOTALLY ignored me and the fact the boy shouldn’t be in my yard. So…what happens? At 17 the kid gets drunk and tries to “scare” his girlfriend by driving too fast and they crash and she dies. I was SOOOO NOT surprised by that. The daddy got him out of jail-time. What a mess. urin’s situation no different, just a bigger platform to be a murder in with all the family money. Our children are ALWAYS on the outside what parents are on the inside. Don’t believe me? Well, it’s true. Why “nice kids” go bad. The parents instilled nothing in them but spoiling…and it is rotten in the end.

    41. on June 3rd, 2010 8:46 am

      #15 carolina on June 2nd, 2010 10:33 pm
      Joran confessed several times to the murder of Natalee Holloway. If Aruba was interested in justice they would not have allowed his Godfather to lead the “investigation”.

      #17 really deserves no response after such an idiotic statement. Beth had no reason to kill either girl; Joran did. It was well known that he had an anger problem. The FIRST (one of many) story the Kalpoe’s and Joran told indicated that Natalee had a head wound (supposedly from falling after exiting their car). Did Beth make up that story for them? And now Stephany is found in Joran’s hotel room (with cameras showing her entering the room, not with Beth, with Joran). Are you suggesting that Beth jumped them after they entered the room, left Joran well and alive and killed Stephany? So why is Joran on the run?

      It’s simply amazing the stories people will make up for this piece of garbage.


      [...] Julia Renfro, editor and chief of “Aruba Today” who has been a constant defender of both Paulus and Joran Van Der Sloot, is apparently choosing not to feauture the developments of Joran’s warrant and has opted instead to report on the break up of former Vice Presidential couple, Al and Tipper Gore.  [...]

    43. viet vet on June 3rd, 2010 9:14 am

      Joran has to watch his back from former friends as well as his many enemies. There is a house of cards in Aruba, everyone was in on the coverup, Police, Government, Prosecuter, and many locals. They would hate for Joran to tell what he knows, it will expose them and ruin there lives and probably Aruba. Sad thing is there are some good innocent people in Aruba who have been taken for a ride. I went down there 3 times to help search for Natalee. The coverup was from the very beginning, and yes, a lot of those liars are now going to pay. Joran would be safer in Peru right now than anywhere else, at least there he knows what to expect. I feel certain a lot of people want him dead today. Get smart Joran, GIVE UP.

    44. gail on June 3rd, 2010 9:14 am


    45. DAVE on June 3rd, 2010 10:29 am

      Why would a girl get near a serial killer? I feel sorry for the parents of these girls and so does the rest of the world. How sad.BOYCOTT ARUBA.

    46. mar on June 3rd, 2010 10:33 am

      There a rumours that joran has killed him self and has been found near de border with chili.
      The belgium newspaper de gazette has printed this.
      There has been no confirmation yet.

    47. Lisa in Maryland on June 3rd, 2010 11:14 am

      KARMA, KARMA – Give Joran some KARMA….


      Joran that means you! The Death Penalty Awaits you!

    48. mar on June 3rd, 2010 12:38 pm

      joran has been arrested in chili!!!!!
      this is confirmed information

    49. Bo on June 3rd, 2010 12:59 pm

      Let’s hope he doesn’t make it to Suriname, which like Aruba is former Dutch colony and still has many ties with The Netherlands. It looks like he has fled south to Chile or even maybe trying to get to Argentina where the population is more European looking and he can blend in. In Peru, he would stand out. Peru has the death penalty, however Chile and Argentina do not. If they catch him there, I hope they extradite him to stand trial for this monstrous crime.

    50. Michell Philips on June 3rd, 2010 1:56 pm

      Jardon van der Sloot is a Sociopath Serial rapist. He has all the signs or tells, he has a Narcissistic Personality. I only hope they catch him before he gets to Surname (in Northern South America) which is a Dutch Democracy. They may not extradite him back to Peru for his crim(s) there. Some Countries do not honnor extradition of their citizens to other countries. It has been reported that van der Sloot does not speack Spanish very well and not sure about Purchgues. Also if he is found guilty in Peru the prison he would be sent to is very bad.

    51. cattys on June 3rd, 2010 2:20 pm

      He is alive and well in jail. He just could not stand not having attention. That is why he did this on the anniversary. He probably thought he had drug friends to help him out. He is the foreigner now….

    52. Tamara (Dutch) on June 3rd, 2010 2:48 pm

      I hope that there will be justice.

      I do not like the comments about the combination Joran and Dutch law. The problem with the Holoway case was simply the evidence. In no legal system a person will be convicted without hard evidence. It has nothing to do with Dutch law.
      Offcourse I believe that Jorans father was involved in the investigation, but still why is the Dutch law to blame? That’s called corruption, which is once again very hard to find evidence for and you find it in practically every country.

      And by the way. Suriname does not have the Dutch law.

      I think I made my point.
      The Dutch do not protect killers like Joran.

    53. gail on June 3rd, 2010 3:25 pm


    54. Tamara (Dutch) on June 3rd, 2010 3:40 pm

      The Dutch sended investigators! And wasn’t it a Dutch guy who started a undercover investigation?
      Everyone I know felt for Beth.
      You act like the Dutch could have solved the case, and that’s just not true!

      You are looking for a scapegoat!

      Gail, I only have one question left: where do you get your knowledge about this case? You don’t know what you are talking about.

    55. Miguel on June 3rd, 2010 4:16 pm

      En Perú, Joran pagará caro por Natalee y Stephany,
      el castigo sera doble… the Lurigancho peruvian prison it’s like the hell…

    56. Steve Holloway on June 3rd, 2010 6:18 pm

      For the people that do not know.

      Evidence was thrown away.

      Somebody found a man’s belt that was the exact belt that was in a picture with Joran. He had the same belt around a young man’s throat.

      It very well could have been Joran’s belt but Aruba police said no and threw it away.

      This kind of thing happen over and over.

      Live that nightmare……

    57. Gonzalo on June 3rd, 2010 10:59 pm

      Hi everyone, I´m peruvian and my father is a friend of Stephany´s father, we are very sad for Stephany, how she died in Joran van der Sloot hands, and we also feel the sorrow and pain of her family.

      This guy deserves to stay the rest of his life in prison and to be raped in peruvian jails several times…for being a girl killer!

      Now Natalee and Stephany will have their revenge!

      Gonzalo Pinillos
      Lima – Perú

    58. Shannon on June 4th, 2010 1:26 am

      Gonzalo, can you please enlighten us as to what Joran will suffer in prison in Peru? What kind of sentences do murderers get in Peru? Do they get out early for good behavior etc. as they do in the states? What are prison conditions like?


    59. scott on June 4th, 2010 9:23 am

      And yet Americans continue to take tourist trips to Aruba all the time! BAN THAT SICKO COUNTRY FROM EVERYTHING!

    60. rhol55 on June 4th, 2010 3:42 pm


      here is a taste of what Peru prison is like…

    61. gail on June 4th, 2010 3:44 pm

      tamara im not arguing with anyone who defends joran, he is crap, and the dutch government is involved with aruba, and aruba SUCKS, AND ANYONE WHO DEFENDS JORAN IS CRAP

    62. gail on June 4th, 2010 4:18 pm

      just an added note for tamara, natalies famiy stated that evidence was thrown away or ignored, now if your dutch investigators were any good, they would of strong armed aruba police and got to the bottom of the truth, by the way where is joran big fat mouthed mommy, why isnt renfro interviewing her, and the lawyer here in the us. shut up joe, you make yourself look stupider every second, bring joran to texas we have the death penalty and tamara hon, texas girls dont play

    63. Susan on June 5th, 2010 12:36 am

      To Steve Holloway

      This idea may be a bit far-fetched but I felt it was worth passing it by you anyway…just in case…

      Just before reading this blog I read a story about a camera that was found in the Florida Keys. (Please refer to the link at the bottom of my post for the full camera story.) The significance here is that the camera belonged to a couple from Aruba. Six months lapsed inbetween when the camera was lost and then found.

      What I’m getting at here is……

      Did anyone look into the possibility of Natalee’s body being found off the coast of another country…not just off the coast of Aruba? Are there any deceased females whose bodies have not been identified locally that have the possibility of being washed ashore from somewhere else?? I’m just thinking that if a camera could make the trip, this may be a valid possibility for Natalee’s disappearance.

      In fact, why not try to summon help from the man in this story who found the washed up camera — Paul Shultz — who, according to the article, just happens to be a Criminal Investigator for the U.S. Coast Guard???

      Steve, I lost my brother to a ‘hit-and-run’ homicide January 4, 1993, on the North side of Houston, TX. My family & I still don’t know who killed my brother. Seventeen years later we still have many, many unanswered questions.

      I hope this idea is helpful to you & your family Steve. I’ll check back later to see if you’ve placed any new posts here.

      And now, here’s the link to the camera story:

    64. The Truth Hurts on June 5th, 2010 9:24 am

      You all should sue your schools or colleges and demand back your tuition money, as you haven’t learn anything: 1. Suriname is not Dutch 2. Joran is not Aruban and 3. His father was not a judge. Did Joran kill Natalee? Sure he did, but unlike some countries, dutch law doesn’t allow torture to extract false confessions. As judges preside over trials in the dutch law system, not emotions, but facts must rule. And when this disturbed psychopath admits for TV cameras 7 different scenarios what (could have) happened to Natalee, no one can ascertain the truth. When all you have are circumstantial evidence, a reversal of the sentence becomes a real possibility. And we don’t want that. Funny that some of you wish the oil spill to reach Aruba. I find that sick and and says much about the poster. Joran will get what he deserves. Let’s keep others out of this.
      SM: Gee, thanks for the education, please tell me some thing we did not know as we have followed this case from day 1.

      What difference does it make that Joran is not native Aruban? The Dutch on the island have always been in positions of leadership and treated the native Arubans like children. Sorry, my association with Aruba dates back to 1975. Sorry, I know how Aruba, its govt and LE operates. Have seen it first hand.

      Any common sense thinking individual knows that JVDS killed NH and the case was covered up. He commits the crime again, this time in a country where he has no pull, no cronyism and no daddy Sloot to save his ass.

      The Peru murders investigation and case is what should have taken place 5 years earlier on Blood Island.

    65. The Truth Hurts on June 5th, 2010 4:55 pm

      Again: If you don’t know, just say so. When cases are based on emotions, you get all those wrongly convicted people like in the US. Cover-Up? I’m sure you too believe Pres. Bush perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Just yelling it, doesn’t make it so. Too many people to keep quiet. Calling for a boycott? Didn’t work then, won’t work now. Why don’t you bring something new to the table.
      SM: Okay TROLL BOY, like you think you know more about this case than I do? That is funny. Like you know more about the corruption that went on in this case, that is even more comical.

      The fact was there was evidence in some cases, and in others the Aruban LE just did not bother.

      Do not insult people’s intelligence. The fix was in the minute the Aruban LE tried to railroad two black security guards for the murder.

      That’s it blame it on the bothers from San Nicholas.

    66. Aruba Papers Cover Joran Van der Sloot Suspected Murder of Stephany Flores Ramírez | Scared Monkeys on June 5th, 2010 7:39 pm

      [...] again landed him in jail and being interrogated by law enforcement in the death of a girl? Because Aruba did not take the murder of Natalee Holloway seriously in 2005 and decide to prosecute her killer, Joran Van der Sloot was enabled to kill again. This time it was [...]

    67. The Truth Hurts on June 5th, 2010 11:40 pm

      I DO know more about this case than you chump. That’s not just saying it, that’s a fact. And just so I get this straight, what is your involvement exactly? If your getting your info (remotely) from the likes of Jossy Mansur, that says it all. And to clear the cobwebs in what you call your brains, it was JvdS and the Kalpoes that fingered the ‘brothers’ after which they’ve been cleared of all wrong doings. There is NO ONE on Aruba that doubts JvdS’ guilt, we’re just not ready to convict without real evidence. Give us a body, a bloody crime scene, some DNA. You know, those insignificant things you seem to want to forget.
      SM:Actually you might be the chump. I get my info from many a source including having traveled to Aruba for this case and took part in the searches.

      Really, it was Joran and the Kalpoe’s that accused Mickey John & Abraham Jones. Wow, you are amazing that you knew that. I am just so impressed. NOT. Seeing that I spoke with them,

      There is not many people in this that we did not have connections with.

      There is NO ONE on Aruba that doubts JvdS’ guilt, we’re just not ready to convict without real evidence.

      BS, there were plenty in Aruba that made sure there was no evidence. Fast forward 5 years and we see what happens when Joran commits a crime without daddy cleaning up his murder.

      Sorry dude, ya don’t know more or have the access I do.

    68. The Truth Hurts on June 6th, 2010 12:43 am

      ERR, the TRUTH hurts. Also, you forget, this is Aruba. My roots go back 200 years. Having spoken to the security guards hardly makes you an expert, wouldn’t you say?
      SM: That is hardly all I have spoken to, that is just one example among 100′s … actually the Truth seems to bother you now doesn’t it.

      Stop being an ass.

      You obviously have not read this site for the past 5 years or you are a troll … truth hurts.

    69. R. Lashley Holmes on June 6th, 2010 2:22 am

      The overarching theme and energy in this sad case is of the evil of the psychcopath and the trail of evil they all eventually leave Like snail slime. Joran clearly doesn’t have a conscience nor did either of his parents. Nor any Aruban co-conspirators not sociopathic lawyers not any other intermediary that profits from this evil. These creatures are probably not even human. Golems made from unhallowed dirt. Criminal justice systems are all man-made carrying all the human flaws of the human brain. God is merely an observer here watching this sad drama play out.

      Criminal justice systems world round have all the inherent flaws of the folks who wrote the laws. Drunks, pedophiles, cheaters, gamblers, whores, thieves, all who made these laws. Not God who would have done a much better job. So, my position is that dispensing anything resembling justice requires someone with access and a conscience to do what countries, judges, legal systems, consulates, neighbors, family, and the entire sorry sleazy mess refuse to do (and will refuse to do in the future) is to solve the problems themselves. All who co-conspired to all this evil and prevent justice should simply die by whatever means. If you have a conscience and the means-you have carte blanche to do what “civilized” society refuses to do. Take out the trash. All of them. The mom. Government officials on the take. Amsterdam government as a whole. All officials getting payoffs. Jail is simply a laugh for this psychopath. Notice-not a wrinkle on his face. No emotion that’s not faked. Same goes for his family. These are not humans. They are something else. All need to vanish to save the rest of us trying to do the right thing day in and day out. They are toxic waste that need to be hurried to God for him to fix. We can’t. Its our job to protect our families and loved ones. That’s impossible to do with killing machines on the loose everywhere. Governments are merely aggregations of weak people. It comes down to this. Our loved ones need to survive-not the garbage. Jurists are merely paid shills, excuse and apology generators. Now is the time to do the right thing. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

    70. Andys N Texas on June 6th, 2010 12:05 pm

      I remember in July 2005 when the american couple, one whom was a nurse found the human shoulder bone with flesh on it while snorkling in aruba. She took it to the polis who discarded the evidence in the trash. I have a Peruvian friend whom said the stunned, shocked look on Joran face is because he has already been sodomized in jail. He said they will keep Joran alive, but he will be tortured by other prisoners for 35 years.

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