Peter R. de Vries Now Investigating … “Something Bad Happened” in Aruba


18 Months Later and “Something Bad Still Happened”


(Hat Tip Pic: Klaas)

Peter R. de Vries now hot on the trail and the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Peter de Vries certainly has a fine track record of getting his man. Now he is on the case where “something bad” obviously happened. Fresh eyes from outside of Aruba … let’s see if de Vries cant make … “Something Good Happen.”

We told the 3 suspects a while back in August not to get too comfortable …

Natalee Holloway: Joran, Deepak, Satish and PIMPS … ” I Know What You Did Last Summer”

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  • Comments

    209 Responses to “Peter R. de Vries Now Investigating … “Something Bad Happened” in Aruba”

    1. k on November 11th, 2006 10:27 pm

      Klaas, Are those prison stripe shirts? lol


      SM:Â   Of course :) Â   (klaasend)

    2. IndyDan on November 11th, 2006 10:31 pm

      It doesn’t take a Rocket Scientist to figure out what happened to Natalee, just someone with big balls.

    3. joe bear on November 11th, 2006 11:04 pm

      Even small ones would work,fine.I hope he is not on the payroll.Just accept your jail time like and don’t punish aruba anymore.Joe

    4. Kat_Gram on November 11th, 2006 11:11 pm

      I would like to suggest that ” something bad happened ”
      the day Joran was born.

    5. molly on November 11th, 2006 11:15 pm

      Good picture, Klaas. Can’t wait to see it happen for real.

      molly (in Houston)

    6. Patti on November 12th, 2006 12:24 am

      I’m in.

    7. Patti on November 12th, 2006 12:28 am

      Atleast I’m here for a while… this is a bad time of the
      night for me… everybody’s is hungry… so if I slip off
      the back side…. sorry

    8. ak on November 12th, 2006 12:29 am

      Lets go TV man, do it.

    9. hammer on November 12th, 2006 12:44 am


      Best he decided to take this travesty on because he knows that he can inject some vigor and LE accountability.

      Anyone viewing this mess with an objective eye would have questions — serious questions — about the investigative procedures and the current evident outcome. Leaving serial rapists and murderers loose on the streets is a bad PR move for anybody.

      A renegade TV journalist with an investigative reporting background who makes his bones uncovering “corruption” in establishment institutions — is just the medicine Aruba needs to cure itself of its bad case of “denial.”







    10. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 12:46 am

      lol joebear!

      joebear is right! Be a fricken man & take your lumps!

    11. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 12:58 am

      I hear ya Kat….

      Its weird that Jorass who knows 5 languages & thats what he came up with, “something bad happened” in that FrankenSteinish way!

    12. Patti on November 12th, 2006 12:58 am

      Do you have a picture of Mr. Peter as I don’t understand
      why an officer from the DRUG vice would be called in for
      a murder???

    13. Patti on November 12th, 2006 1:01 am

      Klaas: Do you want me to leave????


      SM:   Why do you ask that?   If you were thinking your posts were going through it’s simply because I was taking a shower and I just processed them (klaasend)

    14. Patti on November 12th, 2006 1:08 am

      Big man…. BIGGER EGO!!!

    15. Patti on November 12th, 2006 1:32 am

      Not you, Klaas, the PICTURE!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!


      SM:Â   :) Â   If you liked that one you may like this one as well :) Â   (klaasend)

    16. Patti on November 12th, 2006 1:49 am

      Okay, I still think that Ms. Natalee was with them at the
      pond, or beach and their car WAS there. I still think that
      is was Joran that came back after her… or the gardner…
      but SOMEONE did. No doubt about it.

      I don’t think that her abduction came til much later than
      2:30 or 3am. Didn’t it???

    17. Mortella on November 12th, 2006 2:02 am

      I wish PDV’s webpage was available in English. I wonder what it says.

      I continue to have hope that he will be able to bring to light things not previously known that may result in the arrest and conviction of those guilty in the disappearance of Natalee.

    18. Patti on November 12th, 2006 2:08 am

      Could it be possible that they drove down to California
      point BEFORE driving her back to her hotel?!?!?!?!

      I think they were on the BEACH!!! Ms. Natalee loved it
      and was happy. Was it windy that night???

    19. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 2:14 am

      You god awful murdering
      raping son of a bishes…

      (and u know exactly who u are)

      I don’t know for the LIFE OF
      ME how you slime bags can
      live with yourselves day
      in and day out.


      New dead body images

      ARUBAY #38


      3-4 bodies


      OF ARUBA.


      Show them the same mercy and respect
      they showed poor Natalee.


    20. Shell on November 12th, 2006 2:17 am

      I’m glad someone is still carrying the torch of justice for Natalee. I think about her, from time to time, and feel horrible that she has not been found, and that whoever took her, has not been punished. I feel positive that something will surely break. It’s beyond infuriating that there has never been justice for her. It’s heartbreaking.

    21. Patti on November 12th, 2006 2:27 am

      There is still only one… one… that’s all.

      Who is the man on the far right???

    22. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 2:31 am
    23. Espionage on November 12th, 2006 2:42 am

      Look toward the southwest.

    24. Patti on November 12th, 2006 2:45 am

      It looks like there are bodies buried in the ground next
      to her and around her. It is very distrubing. Was this
      done with heat sensitive equipment? It’s almost at cer-
      tain levels of enlarging, you can see arms around Ms.
      Natalee and a person buried up-side down. Is this because
      of the heat from the ground or what???

    25. Patti on November 12th, 2006 3:15 am

      The man that is painting the rock… who is he???

    26. Patti on November 12th, 2006 3:16 am

      This is where she died. That this point… where the white
      rocks are but who is that painting the blood off the rock?

    27. Patti on November 12th, 2006 3:22 am

      Is that man the Gardner??? Where EXACTLY are these rocks?

      It is a covey. A covey of birds that flew away long ago.
      He is truly a sick bastard. He kills them all the same
      way, pretty much… doesn’t he???

      He does do what I told you last night doesn’t he? The
      chest injury is not post-mortem is it??? This Joran man
      is truly sick. But it was only him that took the life of
      Ms. Natalee. I am not making excuses, but it WAS him.

    28. Patti on November 12th, 2006 3:25 am

      Yes!!!!! But are they burried underneath her or is she
      thrown on top of them???? Does it look like they are
      burried because of the bone? Or are they burried. I
      assume they are buried. That is why it looks the color
      of the sand, right???

      Somebody talk to me…. tell me what you see???

    29. judy w. on November 12th, 2006 3:40 am

      Love your Aruban Chain Gang pic klaasend! LOL! Let’s hope it comes true!

    30. Richard on November 12th, 2006 6:02 am

      If Mr. deVries is indeed dedicated to this task and truly desires to get answers, let’s hope that he shouts to the world EACH and EVERY time the Aruban authorities are less than cooperative. And I mean enthusiastically cooperative.

      If through action, or inaction, they try to impede anything he may do, then I hope to God he screams about it to the world and to the Dutch authorities.

      I imagine that the queen’s visit is over and done with … it doesn’t seem to have generated any news, which I guess means that nothing bad happened. Whether her visit was tied in with deVries is anyone’s guess; it could be that she diplomatically signified that she wanted answers.

      Anyway, I hope that we can hear something from deVries. It’s time to get going on keeping this issue in the public eye … and if Aruba goes back to its “do-nothing” slimy position, let’s give them a broadside.

      I passed on to the family my idea that they could rent time from a Miami radio station and in that way reach the Aruban people directly. Could be, something may be coming up to make that worthwhile.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

    31. Patti on November 12th, 2006 7:25 am

      Have the family been making a public record of information
      with the courts??? Pleadings with the court??? Pleadings
      to the Queen??? Perhaps, she is there waiting for them???

      I would, at the VERY LEAST be writing letters. Just like

    32. Patti on November 12th, 2006 7:48 am

      Congratulations!!! Good Job Richard!!!!!

      Smooch ! Smooch! Smmooch! Good Job!!!!!!!!!

      (or are you just pullin’ my leg???)

      I never get posted anymore. Klaas or Klaase or
      whatever his name is doesn’t post me. Why is that?

      And Nancy has TOTALLY DISAPPEARED, get it???

    33. vicki on November 12th, 2006 8:01 am

      Klaas, I too love your picture, I pray everyday that it will come true.

    34. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:12 am


      Who is Mr. deVries???

    35. 10061906 on November 12th, 2006 8:15 am

      Joran VDS, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Guido Wever, Keon Gottenbos, Geoffrey VC Michael Dumpig.
      We all have a good idea of what all of you did to Natalee.
      We have a good idea where it happened.
      We have a good idea of a motive.
      We just do not know what happened once Joran’s father and the other slugs got involved.
      The fact that Natalee or her body have not been found leads me to believe they rushed to get rid of a lifeless Natalee regardless if it was an accidental or premeditated death. Without a body to return, the corrupt Aruban government must continue to state that Natalee is a missing person.
      I have been a proponent for the crypts at St Ana or the Gold Mines in Serio Crystal.
      Although Natalee may have been placed in a crypt temporarily this is my conclusion.
      “What you seek is not hidden”. Means she is not at sea, in the mines or on PVDS’s property nor anywhere else.
      If what you seek is not hidden and you still can’t find what you are looking for; in my opinion the body would have had to be transformed into something not recognizable as a body.
      My conclusion is CREMATION. She could be in plain sight, but would not be found if transformed into ash.
      There are very close ties among Paulus, Jan Van der Stratton, Dennis Jacobs and Karle Wever the Funeral Director and Williem Von Cromvorit. If we could find this link, it should blow the lid off this faà §ade.

      Don’t forget to write on your currency:
      “Boycott Aruba” Remember Natalee Holloway”

      I have a lot of catching up to do; I’ve been in the hospital for 33 days.

      By the way has anyone caught on the Discovery Channel the 20 seconds of a poor excuse video to vacation in Aruba?
      I saw it twice. Have not seen it in a week.

    36. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:22 am

      Okay. I remember Mr. Big head, BIGGER ego.

    37. Miss-Underestimated on November 12th, 2006 10:15 am

      1906 glad you are back, hope you are doing well. Did any one check out the enquirer: the Dutch came and left, they (enquirer ) figures they (dutch) will also cover this up.

      How much money did Paulus withdawl and at what time? Why did Deepak make the remark about Jorans papa? What about: if they find the girl alive I will laugh…

      BTW Please keep our troops and their families in our prayers.

    38. chris on November 12th, 2006 10:41 am

      We have had our hopes up so many times only to have them destroyed. I hope that Peter is able to find what we all know is there, but well covered up.
      I just don’t know that he is going to get much cooperation from anyone. Remember, there still is all that reward money out there that everyone is afraid to take advantage of. Fingers crossed anyway.

      Patti, why is it that I feel that have shades of Kelmal?

    39. chris on November 12th, 2006 10:43 am

      # 38, sorry, should be YOU have shades.

    40. ben on November 12th, 2006 11:01 am

      Does any one know if the holloway family is aware of these pics,and what is there opinion of them.Send them to Geraldo Rivera, he wont let go of a story.

    41. ben on November 12th, 2006 11:03 am

      oh what happened to all the dutch posters,they were here 4 a while.

    42. Amsterdamned on November 12th, 2006 11:05 am

      It’s good news Peter is starting an investigation. He has a good track record and cann’t be influenced. He will be very critical, and I know Peter very well. and I would not be suprised he comes to the conclusion that all the efforts that had be done were very poor and not done by proffesionals, and Ms Twitty has to get of the case/ out of media-attention immediatly because of the negative input (that will be typical Peter R de Vries).

      So I am very happy Peter is in this case with a totally other view

    43. joe bear on November 12th, 2006 11:12 am

      I agree with #35.I have told not to talk abou ashes.I have heard you can get DNA from ashes.There will be justice.I like the hot pink prison suit,it adds color and makes sexual deviants easier to spot.Joe

    44. JusticeforNatalee on November 12th, 2006 11:40 am

      #42 The case needs to stay in the media and it WILL.
      Too bad if you don’t like it.

      The media spotlight is the only reason any investigating was done at all.

      Also, it is important for parents and young women to know what occurs on Aruba. They need to be alerted to the date-rape problem and the fact that the police force does not take the felony seriously.

      To fellow monkeys: What do you think the link with the choller is? What is Peter getting at? That Joran is violent and it was covered up before?

    45. Patti on November 12th, 2006 11:51 am

      What do you mean ASHES??? I haven’t even been able to stand
      to look at the rest of the pictures. Were there ashes
      later? Who is Kelmal? The younger brother??? Do you have
      any pictures of him on the beach???

    46. vicki on November 12th, 2006 12:13 pm

      justice#44, i agree with you on this. I wonder if the choller died? I also think PATTY smells of a troll, could be the other ones twin. They never make any sense….
      1906- I am so glad you are better. Please stick around. I said a prayer for you while you were gone…
      What do you think about carpes pictures. A hand in the street?crazy

    47. kat_gram on November 12th, 2006 12:27 pm

      # 42 You make no sense in your last part about the negative inupt by Ms. Twitty. The investigation was mis-handled from the beginning and no matter what the HT’s attitude was /is, it really has no bearing on the case. The police, the prosecution were in charge of the case. And I suspect Paulus had an extreme influence judging by the times he says he spoke to the Chief of Police in the first few days. So, it does not matter if Jug was aggressive, not aggressive, or what the Arubans thought of Beth or Dave. Why would anyone want to blame Beth for a negative influence ? The outcome would have been the same as it is. Natalee is missing and the killers are not in jail.
      The case was not handled very well and I am going to take Mr. Art Wood’s word for it when he says that this was a professional cover – up. So, please explain the last part of your comment.

    48. dave on November 12th, 2006 12:43 pm

      Patti the only thing worse than a Troll is an airhead TROLL!!! You must be the dumb sister of johnm or his alter ego lol.

    49. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 2:17 pm

      The reason Amsterdoom whines about the media is it prevented them from railroading the security guards. They want to say that Beth pressured police into making arrests which is laughable but typical of aruba officials to blame anybody but their precious JoranStein.

    50. Tazman on November 12th, 2006 2:18 pm

      Great prison picture. Amsterdammed, you’re always trying to get rid of Beth. Scared are ya?? She won’t go away and neither will her supporters. Patti, you need to go back in time to the beginning of the SM posts and do some serious homework. Read thru them and you’ll be better updated on what’s going on. Report back to us once you’ve done this.

    51. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 2:20 pm

      If not for Beth getting to Aruba as quick as she did Jipshit & the Kalpuke brothers would still be drugging, raping and killing tourists & any local who sees to much.

    52. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 2:34 pm

      Look at all the horror’s Carpe has uncovered! All the time he has spent on this gutwrenching video extracting the truth about Aruba still by still.

    53. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 2:43 pm

      Glad you are out of the hospital 1906! Thats a long time, i wish you a speedy recovery!

    54. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 2:48 pm


      Yo Vanderbilt… I distinctly see Joran telling
      Deepak to “PULL HIS FAAAANGER” That was perfect!




      Pictures are worth a thousand words,
      and these; maybe even more so.

      Here’s a slide show.

      COVER UP AREA. I say that because in my opinion,
      I know damn well that’s what it was.

      …and if I ever had any doubt of that, the pictures
      I have found CURED ME OF ANY DOUBT.

      A big credit goes out to SPOCK from BFN. It was a slide
      he generated. I started working with it… and OMG,

      I have a few pics plugged in from the WATER BASIN as well,
      so don’t let that throw you off. I just wanted
      to warn you in advance.


      * Speed can be adjusted from 3-9 secods
      you will see the control up to the right
      after you click this link to start it.





      THE END?????

    55. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 2:53 pm

      Welcom back 1006!!!

      You were missed. I hope you’re okay.


    56. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 3:11 pm

      AhhhHHH Whoopti-A-DooeyYYYY

      AND A BIG

      BONBINI!!!!!! ;)


    57. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 3:12 pm

      A couple of the bodies are very much in a late stage of decomposition as we can see. Remember Jossy telling us a columbian child was recovered there, i didn’t believe that till i saw the small body at the rocks area. But there is another child in this video who has not decomposed hardly at all. You can see the child’s decapitated head in the basin. When Carpe first began capturing the stills he/we shook our heads when he pointed out that it appeared to be a child with a dog at the waters edge of the pond. We both thought it could be a bleed over of a video taken before this one thinking the tape itself may have been used many times. I don’t think that anymore, i think the child you see in the basin area was witness to crimes being committed at the pond & was killed to silence him. If you’re like me you are asking…..what the hell is a small child doing there?? Where’s the mother?? Its strange to think a child would just wander up on a scene like this alone no matter what time of day or night it is.
      All of these bodies in various stages of decompositon suggests the killings were not all because they were witness to crimes being committed. If that is the case they look like the beginnings of a serial killer.

      Joran……did you like killing these prople?

    58. Jasmine on November 12th, 2006 3:21 pm

      I’m glad Mr. de Vries has taken an interest in the case and hope he can find the answers. I keep going back to the fact that Joran, Satish & Deepak were the last one’s seen with Natalee and by their own admission “something bad happened”. Innocent people don’t lie and keep changing their stories. These boys know what happened to Natalee.

    59. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 3:25 pm

      Sorry! Klaas

      I just discovered the artwork id yours!!! LOL
      That was funny.

    60. Tazman on November 12th, 2006 3:32 pm


    61. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 3:41 pm

      lmao at FAAAAANGER!~

      Carpe you are an awesome person for pouring your heart & soul into extracting all the ugliess that is Aruba!

      All of you are the best!

    62. Tazman on November 12th, 2006 3:43 pm


      As always, Great pics!!

      Can you get a close up of that painter? The logo on his tee shirt?

      And, why would anyone paint the rocks with dead bodies right at his feet?

      Maybe their are all part of a cult.

      I really wish the video person would come forward with all the videos and an explanation.

    63. Jasmine on November 12th, 2006 4:07 pm

      Tazman – You are right, they are not boys, but men and need to be held accountable for what they have done.

    64. Amsterdamned on November 12th, 2006 4:08 pm

      # 50 Yes I am not a Beth fan. I think it’s better for the investigation if Beth goes on a holliday let’s say for a year.

    65. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 4:46 pm

      Tazman’s Right!

      These are Men NOT Boys!

      They haven’t been little boys for a long time. ALE played dumb as long as they could until the only conclusion left is that Police & Aruban Officials (the adults) knew their sons were drugging young tourist girls and were/are
      *okay with it*.


      Officials & Police are involved up to their eyeballs in it with the Local Sons.

      It is the latter as evidenced by Aruba Officials when they didn’t even enforce Their Own Laws in regards to allowing their own underaged sons to drink & gamble.

      Not once to this day have Aruban Officials given ANY explanation for this.

    66. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 4:56 pm

      Wow see that guys, Amsterdoomed just quipped about going to aruba & not coming back for a year.

    67. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 5:00 pm

      thanks mm!

      taz, I have it around here in my stash somewhere…
      give me a little time & I’ll have it posted for you.


      hey Amster, how would you like to go away for awhile?

      Keep taLking stuff about Beth,

      you effin toxic waste dump…

      and I am sure I could find a

      few Monkeys willing

      to help you with your problem.


      P.S. Have u hugged your DEMON SPAWN TODAY?


    68. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 5:08 pm

      correction the words used were “going on holiday”

    69. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 5:30 pm

      To come on this board & throw arround talk of “going on holiday for lets say a year” in referring to Natalee’s mother Beth says something…..doesn’t it.

    70. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 6:07 pm

      Hey there Taz re #62

      What you asked for, and a few extras.


      Painter from back:

      Front of painter

      Blood on brush

      - this is a huge problem for them. A 1 year old child’s
      corpse is not going to bleed. I don’t see any ROCKS PAINTED
      RED. So how do you think they’re going to try to spin
      this one around? This stuff is N-U-T-Z. (even worse than nuts – I had to spell it with Z!)


      Painting the DIRT AS WELL?


    71. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 6:08 pm

      Hey Mayan,

      I have been working on the
      activity down by the edge of the water
      in 510-24 again. Try to zoom in and clean it
      up as much as possible.

      Here is the lastest from that batch.
      It’s getting there.


      …and another fun filled episode of the Van der Loompas! ;)


      -Justice 4 Nat-

    72. Patti on November 12th, 2006 6:46 pm

      I hate that when they call you a troll. Sorry if I sound
      like a total idiot. I am simply amazed that you have all
      this evidence of a crime, actually lots of crime and no
      one is arrested??? This whole case is disturbing.

      It’s like the Arubans and the Dutch Government are giving justice the big finger.

      I have only told you some of what I think, the rest is un-
      thinkable and much too bad to be repeated.

      How many people have to cry to Aruba for justice before
      someone uncovers their ears to hear???

    73. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 6:49 pm

      Oh! Ohhhh!!!! OOohh!!! OOOhhh!!!! (Arnold Horshack)




      AND DIRT and whatever the hell else he Is doing that DOESN’T

      He works near and opening On the other side (far side)
      of the Rock Crypt!

      I zoomed in to see what I could make out in the opening.


      Here are the links for you – ( 3 shots total )


      CLOSE UP


      Boycott Aruba!


      SM:   Just so you know I’m not ignoring your pictures ;)    I took the above pic, zoomed in, brightness and contrast increased +60.   What do you see?   (klaasend)

    74. Patti on November 12th, 2006 6:51 pm

      Some one should have brought the Queen to the point and
      let her rest her feet on a rock… and give her a personal
      talk about the difference between right and wrong.

    75. Patti on November 12th, 2006 7:12 pm

      You know they keep the hands as an extension for their
      next victim… that’s the game they play with the mind.
      They are truly sick. Then they punish YOU!!! Whether
      you play the game or not, either way you get punished.

      Ms. Natalee was angry… very angry.

    76. Tazman on November 12th, 2006 7:13 pm

      Thank you Carpe:

      Great pics. However, I can’t figure out what that logo is. I’ll run it by some of my friends who are into logos.

      Vander Loompas!! Excellent!!

    77. Miss-Underestimated on November 12th, 2006 7:19 pm

      Carpe, excellent work as always. Hey Aruba what is that?
      Your lying – covering up island has seen it better days.

      Yeah I got some more monies to day with RED ink says boycott lying Aruba…

    78. Tazman on November 12th, 2006 7:20 pm

      #73 Carpe & Klass:

      Yea. Head leaning back. It looks like the mouth has a gag tied around it. Mouth a little open.

    79. Tazman on November 12th, 2006 7:28 pm

      #64: Amsterdammed: Explain yourself. What do you mean your not a Beth fan? Doesn’t she have the right to pursue what happened to her daughter? Doesn’t she have the right to get justice for her daughter? Why do you think Beth should go on vacation for about a year? If she does, do you think the world will forget about Natalee and Beth? Why do you want this case to go away? How is this case personally affecting you?

    80. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 7:30 pm

      Awesome job Klaas. I definitely see a human skull.
      IMO I think it is a female. She’s in advanced stages
      of decomp.

      I may be hallucinatin’ … but I could swear I see
      her hair in pigtails – thet would on her left (our right)

      Her mouth is cocked to one side -her right- (our left)
      it is open enough that she has some teeth showing.

      That’s what I’m seeing.

    81. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 7:37 pm

      LOL Thanks, Taz.

      Hey Taz… the logo kind of reminds me of a Pelican.
      Something in the bird family along those lines.

      I couldn’t figure out precisely what it was either.
      If you find out… please post it.

    82. kat_gram on November 12th, 2006 7:43 pm

      Amesterdamned… Beth did not have an office in the couthouse alongside the prosecutor. She also did not have Van Der Stratten paying her private visits at the courthouse. I will say that there was some criminal influence by Paulus here. When your son is one of the men, not boys that was last seen with a girl, Natalee, and a criminal investigation is being done, why does the father of one of the now suspects get to have any say in anything ? It must have been a murder investigation based on the charges drawn up on the security guards. Do you think that Paulus didn’t know and influence the case right from day 1, which was Sunday night ? He went to work because that’s where the case was being determined.How convenient for the Sloots. So, you are not a fan of Beth. So what ? If everyone in the world loved Beth and Jug and Dave and Robin would it have made a difference to the outcome here ? I am not a fan of criminals and there does seem to be alot of criminal behaviour by the ” Team Joran “

    83. Patti on November 12th, 2006 7:48 pm

      For the troll: I am in Hawaii… I am not a troll.
      Remember, vacationing in the TRADE WINDS. I try to
      stay on the opposite side of the country from my
      soon to be ex, husband.

    84. ben on November 12th, 2006 7:48 pm

      carpe,i know you work hard on these pics,but some times a rock can look like a skull in a bad see pics of rape i see blurs,some people post that they see lots of bodies,i see what could be lots of things if you had clear pics of everything you think u see it would be all over the media.joran is guilty ,but blurry pics will not put him in jail.I applaude your hard work not take this wrong but i can not put my hope of his arrest in pics you cant make out,there has to be some way to clear them up even more i will pray that you suceed in that.

    85. Patti on November 12th, 2006 7:55 pm

      I see her looking at her right arm… as the life is
      flowing out of her. After taking that away, she sees
      her blood flow freely from the pain of the second rape.

      After that, this man likes to play with the dead.

    86. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 7:56 pm

      damn good job, klaas!

      …and here is the extreme blow up on that shot.

      Mystery Face in the Crypt -


    87. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:05 pm


      Since it is Sunday… and we have all had the opportunity
      to open our Bibles:

      I want you to read the scripture that says that if God is the only one left to preach his good news of the Kingdom,
      even the ROCKS would cry out!!!

      Then, you can come talk to us.

    88. ras1 on November 12th, 2006 8:12 pm

      It is my opinion that Dennis Jacobs knew the night That Dave holloway walked into the Police Station That Natalee was dead.I give a lot of creedance to the shango riddle,I think she died at a rave or was brought to a crack house.the 3 fucks were there ,and are afraid for there lives

    89. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 8:19 pm

      Hey Ben,

      This one ain’t so blurry.


      I do know what you’re sating though, and thanks for
      the input.

    90. yoyo muffintop on November 12th, 2006 8:22 pm

      What acts of “crimanal influence” are you talking about? Name known ones, not something rumored. And he did not have a “say” in anything – he protected his and his son’s legal rights. Would you expect any different, or better yet would you want the same if you were in a similar situtation and you believed you/ your son was innocent?

    91. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:25 pm

      See: She was looking at the right when she passed. You see
      the settling of the blood on the right hand side.

    92. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:27 pm

      She is a carribe. How many people are THEY missing?

    93. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 8:28 pm

      If I had a choice – I would rather my father not break the law and obstruct justice… acting like the general all around flea bag that we know that gosh awful
      Paulus Van der Sloot to be!

      …but then again, I have never felt a burning need to kidnap, rape, and murder anybody IN COLD BLOOD. J4N

    94. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:32 pm

      Yoyo Muffintop:

      Hey! Have you looked at these pictures? His mom had to
      know something about the sick mind of her babe. Problem
      is that she heard waaaay too many times, the tales of a
      mother’s love and the idea ?*?* of “unconditional love”.

      I love ya, Sweetie, but a mother also has a responsibility
      to her community. Hopefully, they kept this one in a cage
      most his life, we would have ALL been better off!!!

    95. Patti on November 12th, 2006 8:37 pm

      Great Job, Carpe. How indescribably sad.

    96. IndyDan on November 12th, 2006 8:40 pm

      I’m not calling you a Troll, at least not yet. But I will give you credit for coming up with one of the most obvious observations – it is like the Aruban and Dutch LE are giving the civilized world the finger. Nicely said.

    97. IndyDan on November 12th, 2006 8:43 pm

      Welcome back 1906, wondered where you’d been. 33 days in the hospital sounds a little serious, hope all is well now. Glad to see you back in the mix.

    98. IndyDan on November 12th, 2006 8:53 pm

      Jasmine #58. Yes, that’s the pox on the skin of Aruba, it won’t ever go away. No matter hard they try, they know and continue to cover up the truth.

    99. ben on November 12th, 2006 9:05 pm

      we all know who killed natalee.The mystery to me is the videos,who took it ,for what purpose,the person who took this video is involved in one way are the other.I almost belive its heres your evidence being thrown in our face,like a game.Some see the whole Natalee crime,i see things that make me wonder.If the person who took this video came foward a lot of things could be set straight,if this person lives in aruba you are harming your own country by not coming forward.

    100. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 9:10 pm

      Thanks, Patti. It sure is sad. Hits me in the gut.

      I was thinking about what Ben said earlier. You
      know even on the best of these the res. stinks
      and it’s like trying to make out satellite photos!!!

      So I don’t think I am doing these any justice
      by sticking them in a slide show… which scales
      the size of them down to a uniform size. That
      makes ‘em even more difficult to view.

      TRY THIS-

      Here are the full sizes & complete collection.


      Holloway Aruba pics 1 –

      Holloway – Aruba pics 2 -


    101. Patti on November 12th, 2006 9:15 pm

      I was under the impression that these were pictures that
      were taken from overhead. I was under the assumption that
      the family, wisely, chartered a plane to take aerial photos
      of the coast line.

      Are some of these “on the ground” videos? If so, do you
      know who took them. I’m sure HE must be scared.

    102. Patti on November 12th, 2006 9:18 pm

      TaZ: Chill. Who cares what they call them. Boyz, men,
      does it REALLY matter. To me they are boys, because of
      MY perspective… my age.

    103. Rusty on November 12th, 2006 9:31 pm

      Remember the FACE on Mars……..from a distance?
      But when we got closer, it was only a rock formation.

    104. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 10:04 pm


      Who was hunted,raped and killed
      by Deepak Satish & Joran. That
      is how I think it went down.

      I think it was all headed up
      by that sweating, parading
      buffoon of a father, Paulus
      Van der Sloot (rhymes with goat)

      You know the say:

      “Every dog has its day.”

      …and I’m looking forward to those pieces
      of trash getting what they deserve.

      They truly are ‘bottom feeders.’

      Boycott Aruba in to the dirt.

    105. Patti on November 12th, 2006 10:35 pm

      EVERYTHING is to the right!!! I hate that picture. Look
      at the fear of him in her eyes. Do you see a reflection
      of a room on her face???

    106. Patti on November 12th, 2006 10:40 pm

      I LOVE the picture!!! He certainly had a thing with pointing THE finger, didn’t he?????

      Not to mention his fetish. This is truly the worst
      impression of a human being I have EVER seen.

    107. Allan K on November 12th, 2006 10:57 pm

      Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought these pics movies were from K.D. at Arubasilence from these guys that happened to be taking movies of stuff in Aruba. One is an American. They were making amateur films. Used to be some nasty letters posted at Arubasilence in getting the last movie. He said we were making his island look bad. I know Arubasilence closed but thought she opened another site. Will check in with her

    108. nychic on November 12th, 2006 10:59 pm

      Carpe -

      I am looking forward to that day as well !

      ben –

      Maybe the videographer no longer has the videos
      in their possession ??

      and finally -
      to Patti: please read the following…

    109. Allan K on November 12th, 2006 11:05 pm

      Ed Smith in Aruba was the photographer of the amateur films

    110. Allan K on November 12th, 2006 11:07 pm

      Was waiting for film #39 do not know if it came out

    111. mayan_moons on November 12th, 2006 11:09 pm

      wonder what the 2 brothers think of older one? Are they different than J. Do they resent having their life hijacked by big brother at such young ages?

    112. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 11:23 pm

      Hi Allan,

      Is Ed’s girlfriend or wife a black female?

      Becaue that’s whose feet
      are all over 510-24

      The camera op. for 24 was a black female.

    113. kpg on November 12th, 2006 11:34 pm

      If pvds was not talking to Natalee in the casino who was?

      They have never denied pvds was in the casino.

      They lied about everything else.

    114. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 11:36 pm

      The Van der Sloot 6

    115. nychic on November 12th, 2006 11:54 pm

      Allan K -

      It was never confirmed who actually uploaded
      those videos to the Aru-Bay website -
      They were taken down just as quickly ?

      I Believe The user went by the name: Chicago-510

      There were numerous attempts to obtain the
      “missing video” and there are emails from
      someone using the name: “Ed Smith” – however
      it is not clear whether or not this is the
      actual name of the person who made the videos

      One thing is a FACT:
      There is a shot in the video Carpe mentions
      that is most definately the foot of a black female
      (it is included in Carpe’s pic collection)

      check out this for further info:

    116. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 11:54 pm

      yo nychic!!!

      Glad you’re back on… I was missing your input.



      FORENSICS TEAM peers in to the rock crypt
      at the body(s)? J4N

    117. Carpe Noctem on November 12th, 2006 11:55 pm
    118. mayan_moons on November 13th, 2006 12:01 am

      Paul was there…..noo doubt in my mind, its him!

      Him being there in the casino and sitting right next to Natalee, talking it up. That right there is what tells you that this was not an abduction with intent to sell or trade crime.

      He’s really engaging with convo with her……something he wouldn’t be doing in front of witness’s if the plan was just to look her over.

    119. kat_gram on November 13th, 2006 12:08 am

      Criminal influence to me is influencing a criminal case in a criminal way.
      What do you think the topic of conversation was between Paulus And Jan. Paulus and Karin ? Karin and Jan . To arrest the security guards and set them up for the fall, because after all, Joran told the truth. He lied about going out. But the rest of it is the truth.
      Paulus wasn’t part of ALE or the prosecutors office, was he ?
      Did they have any conversation with Mickey’s Mumma ? Did they have a cuppa with her ? Or, did they just go there like Dutch Cowboys and arrrest them under suspicion of murder ? I watched CNN in real time and I don’t even think the families were even told where their sons were. Why didn’t they bring the two guards in as witnesses, check out their stories ???

    120. nychic on November 13th, 2006 12:24 am

      Even Though Amsterdamned Would
      Love It If We Would All “Just Go Away”

      Guess What ?
      It Will Never Happen -

      We May Not All Be Posting As Much
      But I Guarantee That We Are Here
      And We Are Out Talking About Natalee Holloway

      The Majority of People Out There Know Exactly
      What I Am Talking About When The Subject
      of What Happened To Natalee Holloway In Aruba

    121. molly on November 13th, 2006 12:27 am

      1006: My son saw the Aruba vacation ad on the Discovery Channel. He was yelling at me in the kitchen to come see it, but it didn’t last very long. The nerve, an Aruba ad on Discovery channel.

      1006: Did you have a relapse or complications? So sorry that you were in the hospital for so long.

      molly (in Houston)

    122. molly on November 13th, 2006 12:34 am

      mayan: I think it is Paulus in the casino picture, too. Always have thought so. He has a unique hairline and head shape. Paulus was warming up to Natalee, who was just a naturally friendly person, so that he could put her at ease and off-guard. Dirty old man, slimeball. It was Paulus.

      molly (in Houston)

    123. nychic on November 13th, 2006 12:43 am

      kat-gram -

      and how did 1 Security Guard suddenly become 2 ?

      J2K Did Not Even Give Names – Who Came Up With Them ?
      (i will always believe it was Dennis Jacobs)

      Why Are The 2 SG’s Not Furious ?
      It Is Very Interesting That They Are So Quiet ?
      Certainly Makes One Wonder ?

    124. Jasmine on November 13th, 2006 12:54 am

      It could be Paulus in the casino photo. But sometime ago, I think it was Klaas who posted a photo that is suppose to be Lorenzo. He is in a van and he sure looked alot like Paulus. ‘Course, he is said to be Paulus’ illegitimate son.
      And he has been described as crazy and a major drug dealer. They do all seem to be afraid of him. He was also one of the first people the ALE questioned.

    125. mayan_moons on November 13th, 2006 1:06 am

      Yes Molly its Paul & we knew it the first time we saw it too! It confirmed alot of gut feelings i had from the start, that it wasn’t just the young guys doing this $hit, the fathers were part of it.

    126. nychic on November 13th, 2006 1:16 am

      A Show Called “Square Off” on TV Guide Channel
      Just Mentioned Natalee as “The Missing Girl In Aruba”
      The Guest was discussing cable news hosts and
      made the remark that you can’t turn on Nancy Grace or
      Greta van Susteren without hearing something about
      the missing girl in Aruba…

      even though he was not discussing Natalee directly -
      just the fact that he referenced this topic to make
      his point – shows that everyone is very aware of
      The Natalee Holloway Case In Aruba -

    127. kat_gram on November 13th, 2006 1:46 am

      I don’t know how one SG became two. Where is the statement Joran made on the Tuesday ? You know the one… Paulus sent Joran to school to sleep and then Jan came to Paulus’s work at the courthouse and asked him to pick Joran up and take him to the police station to make a statement. And I bet he was polite about it too. Nice to have friends in the courthouse,isn’t it ?
      There was a picture that Klaasend has of an overhead shot taken with a furniture truck at the Sloots. Taken before Joran was arrested. What was taken away and replaced ?
      A mattress ? Why no interview with the truck driver. We all know the name of the company.. Dana’s.

    128. Carpe Noctem on November 13th, 2006 1:57 am

      Furniture Truck @ Sloots pic

    129. Patti on November 13th, 2006 2:01 am

      In the picture of the woman lying on the ground with towell
      on her… do you see a bench??? Doesn’t it look like her
      left leg is kind resting on the lip of a bench??? Was
      that bench always there? Who’s garden is this?

    130. mayan_moons on November 13th, 2006 2:02 am

      And what did they do with the furnishing that were taken away? The landfill most likely but were the guys in the big truck told to demolish the furnishings or to just drop stuff on the heap? If the men in the truck were unaware fo the circumstances they may have just left the stuff at the landfill in tact or decided to keep some of it.
      To bad no one was following the truck when it left but isn’t it weird that a helicopter is above the Sloot house getting that birds eye view of the truck.

    131. dkpen on November 13th, 2006 2:14 am

      #57 Carpe Noctem…please send all your pics and this information to Interpol, UN, Foreign and Commenwealth for Human Rights, Amnesty International for Human Rights, National Enquirer(they’d love to write a story up and what better way to get this in the public, and maybe even ICoJ.
      #67 I believe they are using lime and water mixed to paint with to cover up blood evidence and smell. The lime also helps to decompose any flesh material and blood faster than normal.
      #70 Front painter picture – Is that a possible tattoo on upper right forearm just barely showing under the sleeve pushed up or a shadow?

      Aruba has no corruption laws so anyone can pay a bribe for hush money and it be legal or look the other way with no reprecautions.

    132. Patti on November 13th, 2006 2:30 am

      Carpe: Why are people calling me a troll and asking if
      I am JohnM or Kermal???

      I’m sorry if I don’t meet with all your posters approval
      I thought I was here to look at pictures… do I have to
      be insulted, as well???

      I’m not here to make friends, and personally, couldn’t
      care less if I am liked or unliked, but to say that I
      “smell” like a troll??? A bit childish, don’t you think?


      It’s amazing that some people can look at death and act
      like it just a walk in the park. When you happen upon
      someone that knows, or atleast has a good idea of what
      happened, he/she is a troll… how many skulls do you see
      or think that you have, tucked into their cubby holes,

    133. Mortella on November 13th, 2006 3:10 am

      Beth was a stranger in a strange land. She had no power to sway any investigation for if she had, trust me, forensics would have been taken immediately and the Sloot compound searched for real instead of the walk through done almost two weeks too late.

      Paulus received many phone calls from his very good friends such as Jan van der Straaten and others despite the obvious conflict of interest. He even had a member of prosecution supposedly on vacation, Ben Vocking, at his home when they did the little mini search of Joran’s apartment. Karin Janssen when asked why the main residence and rest of that place was NEVER searched said that Paulus wouldn’t let us.

      Two suspects in the same crime are never allowed to visit each other but Paulus was allowed to visit Joran early in Joran’s detention. Paulus and Anita met in private with the judge just before Joran was released which would get one a term in jail in civilized countries with a real judicial system in place.

      People turn in their relatives who have committed serious crimes all the time. No, it is not a given that ANY father would lie and cover up for his son. Only a scumbag like Paulus would do that. Most people would regrettably do the right thing, something that apparently never crossed Paulus mind while he was running this investigation from the side lines.

      Blaming Beth when she had no power at all is just lame. ALE is responsible for their failure to follow even a minimal standard in investigation this crime. No one else made them let Paulus run the show, they followed his lead voluntarily. Now they can live with the consequences and as long as the inhabitants of Aruba are content with those in office and with their law enforcement, so can they.

      Someone needs to tell Amsterdamned that Peter deVries is leaning toward the original suspects as being the guilty parties completely. He has shown Beth every consideration as well he should. The Sloots have vowed not to cooperate with him in any manner and the Kalpoes tried to charge him for trespass. DeVries is on the trail of those three J2K and let’s all hope he is as good as his reputation but he for sure is NOT taking any investigation in any other direction. Why should he? It’s glaringly obvious who the lying guilty parties are. I just hope he can get some proof.

    134. Amsterdamned on November 13th, 2006 6:28 am

      132 Our Queen , minsters, nobody paid any attention at all. How is that possible. Nobody writes in the Dutch Media one letter about the case!!!!!. Joran goes happy to the school in Arnhem. Something is going wrong. Help Help!!!!!!!!! This is going wrong????????

    135. Richard on November 13th, 2006 6:41 am

      Allan K (#107), Kathy D. is opening another Web site. I’m not clear why the first one was taken down, but she confirmed to me that she is doing so.

      I’ve not yet abandoned the idea that the three scum shared Natalee with others of the Pimps, as besuits the gang’s name, and that she was taken off the island. Don’t want to re-argue the whole thing, but I’m just posting that here to keep the idea going, as it were.

      Still would like to know what was on the JvdS Web site, which I understand was the “official” gang site. You know, the one that was so bad that the father decided to take it down just after JvdS was brought in by the police.

      (Destruction of evidence? Don’t know, but that action to me is itself potentially criminal, and at the very least suggests that he knew there was something to hide.)

      And there’s a new movie out on human trafficking in Europe, where the term “loverboy” supposedly is a synonym for a pimp. That was part of JvdS’s internet “handle,” I understand.

      Lots more to think about, none of it conclusive. It certainly seems that the reputed relative Lorenzo van Rijn would have had (probably still does have) contacts with the real nasty drug types out of Venezuela and Colombia … and by the way, one American with a timeshare on Aruba has posted on some kind of “inside Aruba” blog that the Venezuelan and Colombian visitors to Aruba are known for hitting the bars late, etc.

      All this is surmise. But the fact remains, a year and a half later there has been no sign of a body. Perhaps that’s because there is none on Aruba.

      Three teens in the space of a few hours did all the things they are suspected to have done? Maybe … maybe not….

    136. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 8:53 am


      How could Beth sway an investigation that was a cover up from the get go? The problem with Aruba was that Beth was coming close to the uncovering the truth and that po’d Aruba, bringing too much bad attention to that “Happy Island” so what’s the best thing to do, blame the victims family.

      Aruba you thought this was a one nighter and that no one would want Natalee Hollway back and want to know the truth at what your citizens have done to Natalee. But guess what, we are here until the end, until you, Aruba return Natalee Holloway to her family and tell her family the what who and where. Yep seeing that US currency with Boycott Aruba on it with big red letters, that’ll get the point across.

    137. scruz on November 13th, 2006 9:24 am

      To Whom the Shoe Fits:

      Your continuous efforts to antagonize and generate negative reactions towards the contents of your comments are incomprehensible. All you get back is either a contemptible attitude towards yourself and what you have to say or an inconsequential approval, because it comes from yourself or a fellow gang member, in an effort to give validity to nuisances. It’s a shame that you have become so obsessed that you cannot walk-off or change your present attitude. Instead you choose to stay and make a mockery of yourself, while continuing to maintain or elevate your anger and pain.

      Seeking rejection- the easiest way to attract attention- or pretending to be an unquestionable justice seeker facilitates the cheap excuse for launching attacks on others. But even if you enjoy either of these practices, you are doing it at your own cost. Guaranteed, you are the only one that’s paying for this destructive addiction. At the end of the day, only you will pay the price for all the hostility you absorb and the hostility you dispense. You’ll pay for it in loneliness, in anger and in increasing irrationality, as you submit to the overpowering force of compulsive aggressive behavior. When this happens, husbands and wives start cheating and asking for divorces; children turn their back from parents and their homes; friends begin to make excuses to stay away, because they can’t handle the demand for attention that drains them emotionally. Anyone that approaches you will feel the excessive demand for energy, because you have wasted yours in negativity.

      Stop harming yourself. It is fine to disagree and think different from others, as well as to have different opinions and perspectives. It’s healthy to express your thoughts freely, as genuinely as you know how, but with dignity and respect for yourself. There is no need for consistent hostilities and cynicism.

      And if you think others that encourage this behavior admire you, bull, they are just using you. They’ll get sick of it too in time (assuming they haven’t already). If not, look back and check out how many times you’ve been through this path before. And you are not doing this to defend your position on the NH case; it’s not your patriotism that prompts you to behave like you do. It’s not your indignation for having your nationalistic feelings hurt either…this is just about the need to show off in the only way you choose how at this moment: negatively.

    138. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 9:52 am

      Is Dr. Laura here?

    139. viet vet on November 13th, 2006 10:05 am

      Joran is not happy in Holland. He has to look over his back too much and what he really wanted to do in life is over. He wanted to come to the United States and he cannot as it is now. Until this case is solved, Joran will be a man caught up in the web of no body, no case, and for him, no life. They say he is drinking more and enjoying it less. Justice for Natalie can ease the pressure he lives under. Come on Paulus, do something for your son other than make a hopeless drunk out of him.

    140. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 10:10 am

      Carpe on you last picture on Post 70 blood on brush
      Could you get a better view of the guy kneelings fake arm?

    141. Willie on November 13th, 2006 10:15 am

      1906…it is good to see you back on the boards! I’ll pray for a healthy healing.

      Thanks for the pics. I wish they did not have to be jpgs. Is there a way to see them in another format?

      I will continue to consider those involved as boys. Men would certainly act like men…fathers included. If you act childish as a father, is it any wonder that your children act just like you! As adults hopefully we have learned a few things in life…people who do crimes, for one, belong in jail/punished. As parents, we don’t want to see our kids hurt but justice is necessary. That is why we discipline them. We care enough to make them better people.

      I am glad that Scared Monkeys continues. No, we will not forget Natalee Holloway. Yes, she and her family do deserve the truth. Yes, the truth is out there. Yes, the perpetrators know the truth. Yes, one day justice will be served. Keep up the good work Scared Monkeys!

      Justice for all members of Natalee Holloway’s family and all of her friends.

    142. hammer on November 13th, 2006 10:16 am



      Exactly what is needed. Jk2 can now sit in their self-imposed cages awaiting the airing of the story that will damn them in front of their own people — especially so in the case of van der sloot.

      They can live the rest of their free days as outcasts, scorned wherever they go as serial rapists and murderers who took a young girl’s life in pursuit of their deviant mission and needs.

      Good for de Vreis. Let the sloots and sweating Paulus, bleat like guilty school-children that it can’t “be proven” that joran did anything to Natalee. Go ahead. Bleat like sheep. A million pairs of eyes will SEE FOR THEMSELVES the failures of Aruba to execute the mandatories of justice in what should have been an “open and shut” case. Go right ahead, bleat.

      Live your lives as lepers, as you’ve chosen.

      Right Paulus? Right? Condemn your family and your remaining sons to a life filled with condemnation, suspicion, threats. All because of the deviant son you raised first: Joran. Destroy their lives, as you have elected to destroy your own. A pathetic little man, who sweats and runs away from the table when confronted by the mother of the girl your deviant first son raped and murdered.

      So Paulus, how does it feel? Your deal with Satan is a loan that must be repaid — with compounded interest. In this case, the reputation, the futures, the lives of your other sons.

      Live with it, Paulus. If you can, that is. Your inept covering-up and lawyering will not save you and your family from rightful disdain in the very communities in which you must live the rest of your days. You are destroyng the lives of your remaining sons, by binding them to the deviance of Joran…


    143. JusticeforNatalee on November 13th, 2006 10:24 am

      Amster Hamster:

      Kees van der Spek recently published an article in a Dutch magazine and referred to Natalee’s case as a copycat murder.

      Beth’s appearance on Jenssen’s show convinced a lot of Dutch viewers of Joran’s guilt.

      Peter De Vries will focus his Nov. 26 show on Natalee. Once again, Dutch viewers will hear the truth about Joran and it won’t be pretty.

      Natalee’s case is catching on in the Dutch media.

    144. JusticeforNatalee on November 13th, 2006 10:42 am


      You are right. Why should de Vries waste his time going after other suspects.

      Natalee left with J2K and never returned. Then they lied, lied, lied.

      De Vries is smart to focus on J2k.

      “It always leads back to Joran and the Kalpoes.”
      (the only smart words Dompig ever spoke)

    145. super dave on November 13th, 2006 11:08 am

      #137: DOES THIS SHOE FIT YOU ?

    146. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 11:18 am

      Viet Vet,

      8 years vs. a lifetime? Unless there is more to the story here, could the daddy be in knee deep too, 8 years to an old man is a long time?

    147. NM on November 13th, 2006 11:36 am

      Hey Super Dave, I thought the same thing. Seems like an autobiography.

      The statement jurin made that if his mom was home this would not have happened IMO has to refer to pvds prowlling around that night. Too much evidence that jurin did this stuff w/ or w/out his mother around.
      VIP at C&C, gambling often, we did this 20 times…..

      Justice for Natalee and her loved ones.

    148. dutchhog on November 13th, 2006 11:51 am

      EVIDENCE!!!where is the EVIDENCE!!!you all want these guys to hang!with all this circomstancial and hearsay crap,with the EVIDENCE they got now they walk after the hearing!!you can post 25.000 of these weird fotos that look like nothing and will be thrown out of court!even if they find her now,they still have to place them at the murderscene!how do you want to do that o yeah!!i forgot! hearsay!with the EVIDENCE you got now you couln’t convict these guys anywere.where is the firm goodold fashion U.S.A.belief that nobody’s guilty unless proven beyond a reasonable doubt.bytheway it’s the same everywere!even in that little chickenshit country we lovingly refer to as holland!!greetings from a dutch viewer who’s NOT convinced!!but let’s see!!what peter de vies will dig up!i’am open for anything!!even their innocense!!are you??

    149. hammer on November 13th, 2006 12:26 pm


      Both Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can — and should — be prosecuted for perjury and related felony crimes.

      Each of them individually provided INTENTIONALLY FALSE TESTIMONY in their “witness” statements. They each individually, attested to and ratified their INTENTIONALLY FALSE STATEMENTS by duly signing these statements while represented by knowlegable attorneys.

      Both their WITNESS and SUSPECT statements further demonstrate based on their testimony that each of the Kalpoe’s, individually, engaged in a CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT PERJURY, and they were aided in this conspiracy by Joran van der Sloot.

      Perjury, and conspiracy to commit perjury: the EVIDENCE is their own witness and suspect statements.

      Further, because these INTENTIONALLY FALSE WITNESS statements were provided during a directly related capital crime investigation (in this case murder), each of the Kalpoe’s individually can be charged with OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, another capital crime.

      And additionally, based on their behaviors and INTENTIONALLY FALSE TESTIMONY, which led directly to the wrongful arrest of two innocent men, each of the Kalpoe’s can be charged with CONTEMPT OF COURT.


      There’s your EVIDENCE, dutchog. Let’s start with Deepak and Satish, we’ll get to joran a little later.


    150. hammer on November 13th, 2006 12:41 pm


      …according to the applicable law and as judged by a jury of one’s peers.

      Many posters on this thread forget the key two qualifiers which animate the American system of adjudication:


      Doesn’t seem like the “applicable” perjury laws have been enforced in the Aruba case, now does it? And we have been over endlessly the failure of judicial transparency as no jury system is used on Aruba, opening the door for all kinds of backroom shenanigans…


    151. NM on November 13th, 2006 12:41 pm

      It’s H A M M E R T I M E

    152. mayan_moons on November 13th, 2006 12:54 pm

      Destroying evidence doesn’t erase the fact that it was there. I’m sure those arround you Sloots are soo sick & tired of you & resent the hell you made of their lives.

    153. mayan_moons on November 13th, 2006 12:57 pm

      This hearsay crap as you put it came out of Jurine’s & Kalpoe’s own mouths is what is hanging them.

      Jurine: I will LAUGH IF the find the girl

    154. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 12:57 pm


      There are some out there that would like this case to be a figment of our imaginations.

      All the evidence
      cloth, bone, belt, duct tape with hair, and what the hell ever the ALE threw out along with the statements.
      Aruba what did you do to Natalee Holloway?

    155. Carpe Noctem on November 13th, 2006 1:02 pm

      Yo Amster #134

      (sound of really loud bullhorn & some feedback)

      WE KNOW YOU’RE IN THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Put the fork down PLEASE…


      Come out with your hands up where we can see them…

      This doesn’t have to be nasty… unless that’s
      the way ya LIIIIIKE ITTTTT.

      Justice 4 Natalee!

    156. Carpe Noctem on November 13th, 2006 1:15 pm

      Dutch Hog -

      They destroyed it at every step.

      Paulus had worked with all the players in this mess
      for YEARS!!!! They let him skate. Research
      all players and their relationships
      to Paulus Van der Rape.

      Paulus worked in the Prosecutors
      office and used his contacts to
      get rid of it all.

      That is why I keep predicting that the only
      justice for them will come from a gun barrel
      on a dark city street.

      There is no honor, respect, dignity,
      or justice to be
      had in Aruba.

      These things simply do not exists on the island
      of rapists and cold blooded murderers.

      Aruba = Hell on Earth


    157. mayan_moons on November 13th, 2006 1:28 pm

      The days of Aruba or any other island circling the wagons when one of their own has brought harm to tourists are OVER! Let this be a lesson to all who beckon Americans to come to their island with intent to harm, do not be like this foolish foolish Aruba. Watch & Learn.

    158. Richard on November 13th, 2006 1:29 pm

      It’s clear that, whatever happened, the three suspects were involved. But my suspicion is that it did not end with them.

    159. Amsterdamned on November 13th, 2006 1:49 pm

      # 148 100% right, where is the evidence I repeat E.V.I. D.E.N.C.E. less than 50 days and we are in 2007!!!

      Justice 4 Natalee!!!!!!- Nobody is guilty unless is proven!!!

    160. JusticeforNatalee on November 13th, 2006 2:01 pm

      Go Hammer!

      Send your comments to Karin Janssen so that she can get a clue.

      Better yet, send them to JOSSY so that he can publish them.

    161. JusticeforNatalee on November 13th, 2006 2:05 pm

      “If they find the girl, you will get fifteen years”

      Spoken by a suspect

      Highly incriminating

    162. Carpe Noctem on November 13th, 2006 2:53 pm

      Again Amster

      The evidence has been tampered by that sweaty coward wheel barrow load named PAULUS VAN DER RAPE…
      and his brutal raping assassin of a son.




      The road can travel both ways.

    163. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 2:54 pm


      Laugh about what? What did your daddy tell you Joran?

    164. MIss-Underestimated on November 13th, 2006 2:57 pm

      If they cannot find a CORPSE they cannot get us for a CRIME.

      Why did Deepak say that Paulus said that and why would Pauless think Natalee was a CORPSE and why would he think there was a CRIME?

      What does Pauless know?

    165. dennisintn on November 13th, 2006 3:20 pm

      who was it, just a couple of weeks ago, who knew devries so well that he just knew that devries wouldn’t be interested in covering this case because nobody in holland cared about it?

    166. dennisintn on November 13th, 2006 3:29 pm

      evidence? remember that this is an island that doesn’t prosecute the people who took phone pics of themselves gangraping a sixteen yr. old student. the student had to leave the island and her family to continue her schooling and the newspapers ran articles asking the perps and the people who the pics were distributed to, to please erase the pics and please do not put the pics on the internet. that’s their idea of justice on lieruba. ostracize the victim and protect the rapists.

    167. Mike on November 13th, 2006 4:13 pm

      If I hear the no evidence argument one more time I’ll puke…once and for all the reason their probably isn’t any evidence is they intentionally waited 10 days to even start looking for it, giving the perps the time to destroy it.

      I have a question for the Joren fan club members….if this were your daughter or loved one missing would you be happy with this investigation?

      I for one feel if a crime was investigated in this matter in the US all hell would have broke loose.

    168. Roy on November 13th, 2006 4:41 pm

      #137 (Scruz) Don’t know who’s got ya pissed or what’s been said to turn your stomach…try a tums! FWIW, I feel like that shoe fits sometimes…can name many a circumstances where where I tread down an old path….Can name many posters on here who refuse to budge from their original thoughts///even when staring conflicting information in the face…..J2K are all guilty…so is Paulus…AND so are many many more….Maybe, just maybe, most here would like justice served in it’s totality….Not just a simple resolution that lets the fatcats walk. As to who seems lonely, angry, irrational, and all those other things you’ve said, check #145…. I think it does.

    169. Patti on November 13th, 2006 6:01 pm

      Roy: I am in total, without even an ounce of conviction,
      in agreement with you. We all tread a narrow path. The
      situation in Aruba has me, not just feeling like a scared
      monkey. It truly leaves me with a feeling of total hope-
      lessness to see these things.

      If you need any help from me… I’m here.

    170. Patti on November 13th, 2006 6:08 pm

      Again, I type too fast for my education. C-O-N-F-L-I-C-T-I-O-N

      I am in TOTAL, without even an ounce of CONFLICTION, etc.

      I am in hopes of a C-O-N-V-I-C-T-I-O-N


    171. Patti on November 13th, 2006 6:23 pm

      Mike: Doesn’t it make you wish that more people WERE aware
      of all the things that Ms. Natalee’s parents have done…
      I join you in your applause of her family. I feel hopeless,
      only because of the bloodshed… but there IS hope. If for
      no OTHER reason, but for the family.

      There WILL be justice in Aruba.

    172. Patti on November 13th, 2006 7:30 pm

      I did figure out how the reflection of the room got into
      that position on her face… her face was taped with
      metalic tape. All though it was removed, there are still
      metallic particles that reflected the light off the lens.

      You can see the windows, also a form of light, in that
      square of “tape” you see it??

    173. Patti on November 13th, 2006 7:34 pm

      Who is the man painting the rock? and the ground? In
      what proximity are they to Ms. Natalee??? Are they at
      their feet or several yards away?

      It seems that I had heard on the news that some people
      from the Golf club had seen a body in the basin or what-
      ever they called it. Is that where this is?

    174. IndyDan on November 13th, 2006 8:30 pm

      Mike (#167) – I agree, there’s volumes of evidence in the actions and statements alone. Innocent people don’t go way out of their way to lie, block and mislead if they are truly innocent.

    175. IndyDan on November 13th, 2006 8:33 pm

      I’d be remiss if I didn’t give credit to Klaas for this pic. It’s priceless.

    176. IndyDan on November 13th, 2006 8:36 pm

      Klaas – did johnm, kelmal, retired 8th grade dropout sneak in again with yet another new nic?


      SM:Â   Not sure yet..I’m keeping my eye on it (klaasend)

    177. IndyDan on November 13th, 2006 9:04 pm

      The VanDerSloot world is getting smaller, there’s comfort to be found in the fact that they can’t go anywhere without being thought of as a raping-murdering family.

      They didn’t figure on the constant and relentless attention and the fact that in the court of public opinion, they are responsible for the crime against this innocent American tourist girl.

      Their actions and reactions speak volumes.

    178. hammer on November 13th, 2006 10:35 pm


      The kalpoe brothers are “CRIMINALS.”

      That Aruba demanded the mother of a missing (abducted, tortured, raped and murdered) tourist girl, Natalee Anne Holloway, stand before their national press and issue an APOLOGY for calling criminals what they are is a travesty.

      The kalpoe brothers — each and individually — committed perjury, a felony crime.

      They committed conspiracy to commit perjury — another felony crime.

      They obstructed justice during a murder investiagtion and their intentionally false witness statements caused innocent men to be arrested and falsely charged with murder — another felony crime.

      Aruba should additionally prosecute the kalope brothers — each and individually — with contempt of court, yet another crime.





    179. nychic on November 13th, 2006 10:54 pm


      would love to see them try to walk free here in the U.S.
      It might be difficult – with NO LEGS !

    180. dave on November 13th, 2006 11:32 pm

      odds are 10 to 1
      Patti is the retarded no grade dipstick aka, johnm aka, kelmal aka, GretaMal, aka TROLL

    181. Tazman on November 14th, 2006 12:02 am

      Ask Dennis Jacobs “where is the evidence?”
      Ask Van Stratten “where is the evidence?”
      Ask Paulos “where is the evidence?”
      Ask Karin Janssen “where is the evidence?”
      Ask Dompig “where is the evidence?”
      Ask joran “where is the evidence?”
      Ask his 2 manservants “the Kalpoes” “where is the evidence?

      Anyone low enough to attack Beth because she is searching for her daughter and answers, needs to be asked


    182. Tazman on November 14th, 2006 12:05 am

      Ask the judges that let paulos, joran and the 2 Kalpoes go

      WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE??????????????????

    183. mayan_moons on November 14th, 2006 12:24 am

      lol dave

    184. Patti on November 14th, 2006 12:30 am

      Nice to see that you have gone ABSOLUTELY no where. It’s no
      wonder that this solid case that you have, goes nowhere, too. There is too much in-fighting to ever get anything done. So we will leave it to the posters that have not a
      brain in their heads to finish this story. Sad as it is.

      I, really, wonder how the family would feel if they knew
      you were calling people that, indeed, have the resources
      and the intelligents to help names and using this website
      as your very own rumor mill.

      Excuse me that I know less about this case than you do. To
      tell you the truth, I am not ALL that interested in this case anyway, as I am more interested in bigger and better
      things that do, in fact, concern the world. Not just you
      in your pitiful state of Ha-Ha-Ha we know more than YOU.

      First of all, I am not retired. Secondly, I live in Hawaii
      and am well aware of the things that you call criminal as
      I have worked in that field for a few years.

      This whole thing was a very bad mistake. I hope you all
      find your guy or guys, but to tell you the truth, I couldn’t
      care less about this case… You have too many chiefs and
      not enough Indians to keep this thing alive.

      It has turned into a big ego buster for you all, and quite
      frankly, I don’t have time for B.S. You all want to waste
      your time picking on the new kid on the block… have at it.


    185. Tazman on November 14th, 2006 12:42 am

      Ask anita “where is the evidence?”

    186. Patti on November 14th, 2006 12:42 am

      Also… I was on the Board of Directors for a very large
      non-profit organization that helped with city at-risk
      youth… and it wasn’t a church. It was an organization
      that owned 60 acres of land and operated a gambling estab-
      lishment to raise funds.. and it wasn’t a bingo hall.

      So if you want to address me directly, I suggest you call
      me Ms. Patty and if you talk about me behind my back, I
      suggest you think twice. You are WAAAAAAAAAAy out of your

      Too bad you can’t get anything done… you have to find
      people that will help and with your personalities, you
      couldn’t attract a bull-dog….. So…. So Long…..

      Good Luck.

    187. Patti on November 14th, 2006 1:01 am

      One other thing… In case you are in Indianapolis… Been
      there, done that… In FACT: The person that I went with
      on a private jet owns more aircraft than any one single
      person in the world… he as connections with the C.I.A.,
      He is one of the smartest and wealthiest men in the world.

      Any idea??? Well, I hope you get your mail in the morning.

      Hint: He arranged the helicopters used in several pre-Iraq
      attacks against other countries in the Middle East. one
      was especially risky… the rescue of American Citizens
      held as hostages. Never guess who he is… right??

      An eighth grade education, my as*!

      Retired???? Yep, by choice…. must be nice to be able to
      make THAT choice… right? LOSER

    188. Tazman on November 14th, 2006 1:41 am

      Wow!! Was that Gidget??

    189. Ramlady on November 14th, 2006 8:16 am

      Ooh I know….Patti was a Bond girl!!! LOL!!!

      Let’s see…flying on private jets with one of the world’s richest men, retired, living in Hawaii……hmmmm…not bad for an ex-hippie single mom from San Francisco who said she didn’t know much about politics or the middle East and was worried about how she was going to pay her bills…..hmmmmm indeed. In #184 she says she is NOT retired, and in #187 she says she IS retired by choice.

      So long Patti……but don’t worry folks; she IS still here. Watch for the next incarnation of Patti/dutchhog/amsterdamned/gretamal/kelmal/johnm/????

      Personally, I think dutchhog is the nicest of all of them….well, he was until lately. With so many different nicks, who could ever keep all the different personalities straight? Make dutchhog nice again, okay Patti? I sort of liked him. Listen to Patti in #184: “(I) am well aware of the things that you call criminal as I have worked in that field for a few years.” Indeed you have “Patti.”

    190. super dave on November 14th, 2006 9:23 am


    191. LilPuma on November 14th, 2006 9:57 am

      Post #83 reminds me.
      Vacation in HAWAII, not Aruba. :-)

    192. LilPuma on November 14th, 2006 10:15 am

      #139 Viet Vet: I don’t see why Joran can’t come to America. At least if he did it for the 22 time, he’d be prosecuted under US law, not Sloot-Straaten law.

      #148 Dutchdog: We believe there is evidence. Or was evidence and it was destroyed by friends of Paulus vd Sloot. The coverup was obvious and being thrown in the face of the family, the US media and Americans who were supporting Beth and Dave in their search for the daughter. Behavior by authorities in Aruba said to us, “what you gonna do about it?” That question has been answered over the last 18 months.

    193. airgame12 on November 14th, 2006 10:49 am

      You make no damn sense at all!! I have never seen someone talk in circles buired so deep in bullshit just to make themselves feel better about themselves. It your not going to be part of the soulution, then shut the hell up. Nobody gives a damn about who you jetting around the country with, which I also think is crap! We are here for Natalee, and by juging all your posts, you are not, so go away!

    194. Patti on November 14th, 2006 10:51 am

      Ramlady: Oh this is cute!!! You have no idea who I am.
      First, I’m Tom, then I’m Red, and now I’m JohnM, Kremal,
      etc. If you think that people stay where they are not
      welcome, you’re wrong.

      And I, personally, think that Dutch Hog had a point when
      he said this wasn’t evidence… what is it evidence of??

      A black man that somehow keeps head from being eaten by the
      birds… and how many does he have now??? You all are
      stupid if you think the authorities are going to consider
      any of these pictures after they have been in the hands
      of who knows who… They are already public and you all sit
      around saying, “Do you think we should go public?”

      This is the one that I can’t figure out. The queen of Holland goes to Aruba to check on the progress of the case
      and the victim’s family weren’t there… what kinda sense
      does that make??? Honestly, it makes me laugh that you all
      could be so gullible and stupid.

      Don’t birds eat the carcasses of dead people… no sign of
      it here, why not? If the head is small enough to fit in
      a crevice in the rock, why no bird damage???

      And you all want to blame the murder of your friend on Joran
      and friends while you show a slide show of someone else
      cleaning up. What do you think? Oh, I know… everyone
      killed Natalee.

      I’m going to tell MY friends what a total farce you have
      going on here… looks like you are on your own.


      SM: Oh I think the police and De Vries will have plenty of evidence to look at and review … think you can count on that. Think you can bet that they have been on this site looking at some interesting things. That’s all I can say right now.


    195. Patti on November 14th, 2006 10:59 am

      What??? Now I don’t care about Natalee because I don’t
      believe this crap that you all are feasting on, much like
      a flock of birds feast on a dead carcass???



    196. Patti on November 14th, 2006 11:09 am

      R: you think the police would stay on this dreadful site??


      SM: If you think the site is so dreadful then you will not be upset being banned. Good bye. Enough of the nonsense and go play at the hate sites, I am sure you will feel more at home  … have a nice day :)


    197. airgame12 on November 14th, 2006 12:06 pm

      Good job Red!!!! Very glad to see you kick that clown down the damn road!!!!

    198. Carpe Noctem on November 14th, 2006 4:17 pm

      Hey Patti,

      You don’t want to piss off your multiple peronalities…

      Apparently, they are the only ones left
      willing to speak to you.

      HAPPY DAISY!!!

    199. IndyDan on November 14th, 2006 4:24 pm

      Wow, that was a strange sequence of events. My apologies to my fellow Monkeys for starting all this by simply asking Klaas if she thought johnm was sporting a new nic (#176).

    200. IndyDan on November 14th, 2006 4:25 pm

      Ramlady, did you also catch that it spelled it’s name with an “i” yet in post #186 it says to address it as Ms Patty with a “y”. It couldn’t even keeps it’s own nic straight.

    201. stumpwater on November 14th, 2006 5:06 pm

      Phew, at least that was shorter lived than the Kelmal/Gretamal thang. :)

    202. chris on November 14th, 2006 5:32 pm

      Hi IndyDan, you needn’t apologize to anyone. After only a few of Patti’s crap, I was the first to say that I saw shades of Kelmal, Gretamal etc. I’m so glad that finally people agree with me about that troll when I felt like a biddy harping on the same thing for so long.
      I hope that they really have a lot to look at and we’ll be able to hear more soon.
      Til then,BOYCOTT,BOYCOTT BOYCOTT…..chris

    203. Tazman on November 14th, 2006 8:13 pm

      Ok, sooo getting back to the real world. Did anyone read today’s front page of the L.A. Times Business section? Titled: A looming U.S. passport rule threatens to harm tourism-dependent Caribbean economies. Law takes effect Jan. 8 that Americans need passports to re-enter the U.S. via air or sea. Effective Jan. 1 this applies to Americans who cross by land from Mexico and Canada.

      However, as a result of pressure from U.S. based cruise lines, Washington granted a reprieve from the passport requirement until June 2009 for arrivals by land and sea. But not by air.

      The Caribbean depends primarily on tourist dollars from people flying into their islands. For quick trips. Typically in the winter. Up until Jan 8, these people only needed a driver’s license or birth certificate to re-enter the U.S. After Jan. 8 they will need passports to re-enter the U.S.

    204. ben on November 14th, 2006 8:31 pm

      patti,i luv you,,,lol. carpe help me here,if thats paulis r paulus what ever, in the casino pic, natalee is surrounded by friends,did any of them ever identify him paulus as the man in the pic.Oh any Wilmington north carolina posters here,i was riding around town with remember natalee on my car windows people looked at me strangely,although my know illegal amnesty on my rear window could have caused those looks.Iam honored to be a part of a group of people who still care,god bless natalee and her family and scaredmonkeys.

    205. ben on November 14th, 2006 9:10 pm

      carpe,i just wanted you to know i clearly see natalees body and face clearly along with some one else in a lot of your pics,may be you can put together a album of your clearest pics.bye the way whats a troll i see pattis name and troll alot lol, i see that a lot but dont know the true meaning of it, im forty eight and not as cool as i thought,lol.

    206. IndyDan on November 14th, 2006 9:14 pm

      #202 – chris, you’re right on, we hate the trolls, they show up in force when something new in the case happens to try to take us off track and focus on their personal attacks. I used to fall for their crap but figured out ignoring them is way to go. It’s hard to do sometimes but it works in the end. Thanks for being here in support of the family that lost their daughter to the animals that run Aruba.

    207. airgame12 on November 15th, 2006 10:12 am

      This is a proper defenition of a troll:To patrol (an area) in search for someone or something: “[Criminals] troll bus stations for young runaways”

      My version of a troll as Patti was concerned: A piece of crap that has nothing better to do but spin a web of BS about a poor little girl that we are working to get justice for. AKA A poster child for a profelactic!

      Hope this helps you! And thanks for being here!

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