Natalee Holloway Investigation: Mickey John 6-5-05 Statements


Mickey John’s June 5, 2005 Statement

After reading through this statement and having seen others, why was he detained for approximately 10 days? For what reason? Brought in for questioning is one thing, but arrested, having his home searched and kept in jail for 10 days. Because of others lies?  It would see apparent that the ALE should have known this from the outset.

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Dutch doc 1     Dutch doc 2     Dutch doc 3     Dutch doc 4

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    141 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Investigation: Mickey John 6-5-05 Statements”

    1. Maggie on September 16th, 2006 6:44 pm

      GRETA’s interview

      JOHN: Well, like I said before, the justice system, the detectives, they’re all fools. They have to go to back to school. And they were used, like, a scapegoat, use, like, a black person in society to cover their mess.

      So don’t ever try it again with nobody, because they know we are innocent. And let justice prevail. And we know we will find the right person.

      Mickey Johns.

      ” Day 1 I knew I was innocent”
      “Never saw Natalie before”
      ” Suing is undecided”
      “Talk to Depak in . Interviewing him in the cell”
      ” Holiday Inn Story all made up, never brought her back to Holiday inn” ”
      “Went to Lighthouse. Dropped him and nat near Marriot”
      “Very Very Drunk Under the heavy influence of alcohol . Left lighthouse at 230†³
      Whole Mickey Mouse Game” Dectectives apologized to him”
      “Left Carlos and Charlies and went to the lighthouse and then droped Joran and Natalee at the Marriot”
      Depak went online and talked to him (Dutch Boy) on cell phone and chat online
      “I was smarter than him. ” He got Depak to trust him
      Arrested for being black.
      Concerning the missing girl.
      INTERVIEW IN ENGLISH AND MADE HIM WRITE STATEMENT IN DUTCH. I need full apology from the Aruban and Dutch Government.
      Status in Depak in Cell , Looked very calm,

      Mother mad as heck about the son being arrested in the morning and very rude to his mother.
      Let go at night like a thief. # hours looking for my son…
      3 hours did not know where he is. ”
      You are not allowed to see him, you are not allowed to talk to him. (Tom : Joran’s mother was there with Johan)
      “This is discrimination, they dragged my son out in public, while the whites got to cover themselves.

    2. Maggie on September 16th, 2006 7:22 pm

      This guy was hand picked by someone.. He wore dark blue pants white vest, black jacket, went to the Holiday Inn occasionally, was there Sun. May 29th at 9pm. Paulus and Joran were the only 2 according to each other to be at the Holiday Inn casino that night of the whole group involved that would’ve seen Mickey Johns and gave such a description of a black man at the Holiday Inn who got Natalee.

      On your question what is the color of the company uniform, I will answer you the following:
      The color is dark blue a trousers with a white vest.

      On your question if it’s possible I wear a wind jacket with my uniform while working, I will answer you the following:
      I generally wear a black wind jacket if I have night duty.

      On your question when was the last time I was at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, I will answer you the following:
      On Sunday May 29, 2005 around 12.00 I went to the hotel for the celebration on the beach. I also went on Sunday May 29, 2005 at around 21.00(9pm).

      I don’t believe it was any coincidence that Deepak, Satish and Joran described a black man guard at the Holiday Inn dressed in dark clothes on Sunday night that got Natalee. Who else would’ve known Mickey Johns who fit that description was there on the night of Sunday night May 29th, but Joran and Paulus perhaps Guido.

    3. nurturer on September 16th, 2006 7:51 pm

      If it were not for the Holiday Inn cameras NOT corroborating the rapits/murderers’ story, these two guys would have been tried and convicted.

    4. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 16th, 2006 8:33 pm


      I know we have talked about the gold mines before, and I told you about the scout that fell into what his mom called an “airshaft” of an old gold mine (maybe silver mine) in New Mexico. One minute he is standing with his backpack on talking to his younger brother and cousin, the next second he fell out of his pack and into a shaft 300 feet deep. Seems his backpack didn’t fit, but he did. If the same type technology was used in mining in Aruba. (I think this shaft dated from the 1930s), then maybe there are the same type shafts. Maybe Paulus has used this technique before. The scout’s body was very, very difficult to recover.

      Another case in point—Baby Jessica (Midland, Texas), an 18-month-old toddler fell into an abandoned water well. I don’t remember how deep, I’m thinking 37 feet. The casing was only 8 inches in diameter. It took forever to get that child out. They finally drilled a hole beside the well and removed her. She is alive today, and lives in Midland.

      You’re right. The perpetrators are only going to involve a few people (loose lips sink ships). So only those that actually witnessed Natalee’s death or participated in it, know for sure she is dead. All those you mentioned for sure. Paulus probable took Natalee by himself, and did something with her body, and the gold mine shaft is a good call. Why didn’t he throw her clothes in too?

      Picture this. He took Natalee, wrapped her in something, and dropped her in the shaft. Then, he spent several hours filling the hole with dirt, rocks, etc. If it’s a small diameter hole (excuse me, I’m sorry) he may have dissected the body, and dropped pieces into the shaft. It wouldn’t take long to get quite a bit of dirt, rocks, and debris on top of the body, eliminating anyone from seeing it from the top. He would never have the time to fill the hole. He was seen in the area later, so he may have returned to place more rocks etc, or place a piece of plywood over the hole, and cover this with rocks, etc.

      Do you know how you can look into a deep hole? You take a mirror, catch the sun just right and shine it to the bottom. That’s how water well drillers do it.

      It makes sense that Pauleus acting alone probable hid Natalee, cause someone would have told by now, if more had been involved. If he told no one where Natalee is, then he is the only one the police can get to tell. Joran and the two Ks can’t tell, because they don’t know.

    5. Kat_Gram on September 16th, 2006 8:57 pm

      My understanding is that it was Deepak who made up the guard story the night when the HT’s were there. He told Satish what the story was. In the police car tape, Deepak says That lie was for you.
      I also do remember these interviews when they happened.
      Someone from the Holiday Inn provided the name of a guard who had been there.
      None of this s^&t was ever checked out by the ALE.
      There was a story over at BFN that Mickey was known to Boeti because Boeti had some past problems with Mickey.
      We haven’t seen Joran’s first statement. I don’t know if it is in the pipeline. The lawyer, Chris Lejuez, who appeared on CNN was only given Deepak’s and Satish’s statements.
      I watched this all unfold in real time and my mind has not been changed since then that Jan Van Der Stratten was all too willing to provide the necessary information to the prosecutor who issued the arrest warrants.
      I have gone back and looked at these interviews and Mickey Johns told it like it was. He was very intelligent and articulate about it also. Made the Dutch ALE and prosecutors look like the racist a^pwipes they are. while the world was watching I might add.
      And giving Joran a pass.
      These guys, the J2K were regulars at these casinos. So was Paulus who didn’t like to gamble.They probably picked out a face they had seen around before.
      If anyone should have had a Pay Pal account for defense funds, it should have been Mickey. Instead, some very stupid people decided that poor old Joran needed one.
      Mickey had this one figured out in five minutes.

    6. KELMAL on September 16th, 2006 8:58 pm

      waterboy, Possible, VERY Possible !!!!!!!!!That is what is so frustrating. We have hundreds of theories and we will never know which one is correct !!!!!!

    7. Kat_Gram on September 16th, 2006 9:02 pm

      Hey Mr. Waterboy…I am Off Tpoic went to a site called HOWTOONS. it is a site where they show you how to build stuff with your kids. My Granddaughter has a marshmallow shooter now ! ! And they are going to blow some stuff up ! ! It’s a fun site for us older kids too. I thought of you Waterboy when I passed the site on to people.
      Sorry for being OT.

    8. Allan K on September 16th, 2006 9:42 pm

      Yes, a lot of theories and they all include liar Paulus and son, plus many others covering up. Posner where is the rest of the casino video? You low life crime piece of – – - -.

    9. msmarple on September 16th, 2006 9:46 pm

      Folks, check out the Murder & Crime thread, page 6. There’s a SUMMARY of all the previously posted violent incidents in chronological order.

    10. IndyDan on September 16th, 2006 9:49 pm

      On The Lineup tonite they were talking about Anna’s son’s death and the second autopsy. Kim asked some new guest prosecutor why the Smith family would ask for a second autopsy opinion and her response was “can you spell Aruba and botched investigation?” More good publicity for Aruba on an issue totally unrelated to their problems. More good national exposure to how dangerous and corrupt Aruba is.

    11. IndyDan on September 16th, 2006 9:51 pm

      nurturer #3: And I’ll bet the raping-murdering VanDerSloots would have been very comfortable letting them take the rap.

    12. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 16th, 2006 10:12 pm

      Kat__ Gram,

      Thanks, I’ve had a lot of trouble growing up. My wife says I’m the oldest kid she knows.

    13. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 16th, 2006 10:18 pm

      One of the two guards (I don’t remember which one) has spent time in prison. Judging from what I’ve seen, it was probable one of those victimless crimes: cause I don’t think either one of them are capable of much violence. Anyway, that may be why they were selected. Paulus may have known them.

    14. Kat_Gram on September 16th, 2006 10:42 pm

      Waterboy, and I’m the oldest 6 year old Grammi.
      I love stuff like that ! !

    15. dkpen on September 17th, 2006 1:14 am

      Red and Tom,
      Thank you very much for getting this out more about the 2 security guards. They are victims of crime too. They need our help in getting justice and justice served to the true criminals.

      #8 Allan K
      They showed more to the tape but not everyone saw it. It showed Paulus standing up facing the dealer, saying something to him and shaking his hand. You can clearly see it IS Paulus. I kept seeing it played for 2 days showing that part of the tape. Then that part was taken out and what was left is what we see now. Much like the part of a tape that showed searchers finding a piece of Natalee’s top, it was taken off the tape.

      #9 msmarple
      She has done an outstanding job in gathering information. Kudos to you for all your hard work. Most excellent!!!

      God bless~

    16. dkpen on September 17th, 2006 4:37 am

      Please visit the link provided and read the script. It may save your life or a friends one day.

      Help Support Aruba Boycott:

    17. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 7:20 am

      We Support The HT Families!!!

      This is who we love.

      Blood is thicker than water. American Blood! Never Forget Natalee,
      and what was done to she and her family by the raping, murdering,lying, predatory Van der Sloots, and Kalpoe Brothers of ARUBA.

      Never Forget
      The Country That Stood By
      And Let It Happen, Aruba — A Country So
      Bankrupt Of Basic Human Spirit And Compassion
      They Rubbed Salt
      In The Wounds Even As The
      Family Endured These
      Unspeakable Crimes.


      These are the things I think about when reflecting on what
      happened on NIGHTMARE ISLAND. I will N E V E R
      THINGS I DO.

      Will you do the same too? Thank you.

      Natalee Ann Holloway
      She is really a member of everybody’s family.
      She could have been
      anyone of us at different
      stages of our lives.

      NEVER FORGET. When you F.
      with an American, ANY AMERICAN,
      you will be relentlessly hunted all over
      this planet and eventually dealt with.

      Please always
      know this.

      We may not all look alike, some are rich, some are
      poor, some are black, white, yellow, red and
      some are brown.


      BOTTOM LINE, all American blood flows red.

      We are one in great spirit.


    18. KELMAL on September 17th, 2006 11:05 am

      dikpen, There has been NO other video at the casino. That is BS. Plus as a player at a table you are NOT EVER allowed to shake a dealers hand. NEVER EVER !!!! Sounds like you have NEVER been in a casino. A dealer could have chips in his hand and give them to a friend so a casino NEVER lets a dealer shake the hand of a player. NEVER !!! Good story though !!!!! LOL

    19. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 11:23 am
    20. Mike on September 17th, 2006 12:34 pm


      There’s an easy way to disprove whether additional video exist….lets see the original. It has to exist and if not then that would be nore proof of a LE coverup. Where is the original tape…I would love to see the events before and after what we have been shown so far…wouldn’t you?

      I too believe that is was Paulis at the table with the kids.

    21. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 12:59 pm

      A snip it I found
      on the CLH.
      A thumbnail view
      of history of
      the California


    22. Kat_Gram on September 17th, 2006 12:59 pm

      Well, maybe the Dutch Police will see it all. I surely hope so. But then, any findings are not going to be disclosed to us. If they do not arrest or convict anyone, then would a report be made that is public ? Somehow, I do not think so.
      At the very start of this, Beth did say that Paulus had met Natalee, so there are some answers, but they are not telling us for what is probably a very good reason.

    23. Meee on September 17th, 2006 1:10 pm

      Let’s see. Who governs the gambling in Aruba? In non corrupt countries. Shaking hands with a dealer is a no no. But Aruba seems to make up the rules as they go along. So to say it never happens in Aruba is only you guessing. Since I’m new to this site. I thought I read that the casino knew Joran was underaged, but let him gamble anyway. Did he have a line of credit also? If any of this is true. Shaking hands with a dealer could also be allowed or at least tolerated in Aruba. Because in non corrupt countries. Underage gambling isn’t tolerated. As well as letting them have credit. I wouldn’t try to apply logic of the rest of the world to Aruba.

    24. KELMAL on September 17th, 2006 3:15 pm

      mee, I have been to Aruba and they do NOT let you touch the dealer. This is a rule in EVERY casino thru the WORLD. They don’t care if underaged kids gamble there and lose their money but they would care if their dealers were giving away chips to the players. You see there were also many 17 year olds from the states that also gambled there. They let anyone who had MONEY to enter the casino.

    25. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 3:35 pm

      New Pic Posting:

      ARU-BAY SLIDE 0064

      510-24 BODY IN BASIN VIDEO

      CHICAGO # 24



    26. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 3:47 pm


      New Natalee Desktop
      Computer Desktop Wallpaper made.

      free download for you!

      Preview –

      The wallpaper

      Justice 4 Natalee
      Boycott Aruba!

    27. KELMAL on September 17th, 2006 4:52 pm

      carpe, Now there are some nice pictures. Nice and clear. I bet you can’t even find a sandel in that picture !!

    28. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 5:35 pm

      no kelmal, but the girl you raped & murdered, I see her clear as a bell. …and others do too. Look her in the
      eye tonight for a just a bit. -J4N- (u b1tch)

    29. dkpen on September 17th, 2006 5:49 pm

      #18 KELMAL

      Sorry Kelmal to disappoint you, but this is what I saw when FOX news first released the tapes the first 2 days. It showed Joran entering the casino, then moments later Natalee. Then it showed them all sitting at the tables speaking. Both Joran and Paulus were already there. But when they went to the other clip where Paulus was standing all you could see in the tape was Paulus, the dealer and who ever walked behind Paulus.

      After that it never showed the clip with Paulus standing up, facing the dealer and appear to be speaking, hand shake and starting to sit. I don’t care if you believe me or not, I know what I saw. And the first time I saw it I jumped out of my chair so fast screaming, “IT IS THAT PAULUS BASTARD”. I quickly called up a few others to see it. A couple others saw it but could never get it recorded. Was frustrating.

      But anyways, again, I don’t care if you believe me or not. I know what I saw and there are others that did too.

    30. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 6:23 pm

      To 1906,

      I’m confused; tell me about this Andreas guy. I think I’ve seen his picture somewhere before.

    31. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 6:27 pm

      Definitely Joran and Paulus utilizing someones else’s grey vehicle. (imo)

      at THE ROCKS site #510 CHICAGO ARU-BAY #38 file video

      see the following stills



    32. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 6:30 pm

      Hey Carpe!~

      Whoa i’ve been examining the stills & was just about to ask you if you saw defensive wounds on the hands. And um in the still identified so far as th_hhhhhhhhpng, i’ve zoomed in 500% & see some big teeth, as in monkey. Please zoom that still yourself right now & tell me you see that.

    33. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 6:33 pm

      Ohh and rotate the still once to the left then zoom 500%

    34. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 6:35 pm
    35. nychic on September 17th, 2006 6:37 pm

      dkpen -

      I remember that casino tape on FOX as well -
      More than one of their videos have been clipped -
      I thought I would add that someone posted about
      possible hand signals between Paulus and Guido
      when the tape first became public ??


      Just a Note:
      I Was Not Going To Post From Here –
      But This Changed My Mind:

      I am posting from Buenos Aires –
      At An International Conference -
      I Just Happened To Meet 2 Dutch Attendees -
      I Immediately Asked Them What They Thought About
      The Natalee Holloway Case In Aruba -
      The Guy Who Works In Nigeria Had Never Heard Anything
      But The Guy Who Works In Brazil Immediately Said:
      “She Was Raped and Murdered”
      “You Know Aruba Is Very Corrupt”

    36. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 6:47 pm


      In the new photo 510-24 Basin, I’m having real trouble seeing the face, head, etc, but the hand is clear. I could see it at one time. Strange, I know. There is too much clutter or something.

      My opinion, there is not a missing digit, but the pinky is crossed over the ring finger. Remember, we are looking two dimensionally, so there is no depth perception, other than what our minds are telling us. Beside the hand, to your left when looking at the screen, isn’t that the bottom of the right foot, with the toes curled toward the bottom of the foot?

      Also, think of this. If that is a boot, compare it to the hand. It is very small, however, if it is situated to the back of the basin, it could be full size. But, if it is in the same position as the hand (that is from front to back) it is no bigger that the palm of the hand. This is about the size of a 2 year old’s foot.

    37. KELMAL on September 17th, 2006 6:48 pm

      dkpen, Then what network was it. If your story is true they would have a tape of it. If they had a tape of it I’m sure we would have seen it by now. Maybe you did see it but I wonder why NOBODY else has ????


    38. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 6:51 pm


      Could there be parts or pieces of two bodies–one a small female, and one a child?

    39. nychic on September 17th, 2006 6:52 pm

      Mickey Johns friend posted here at SM
      In June 05 as “friend of mickey john”
      and she says basically what he said -

      So many tried to twist the fact that MJ
      was visiting someone at the HI – Now
      We Know For A Fact That MJ Was Set Up By
      Someone In The Area Who Saw Him There

      Wonder How Much Boeti Was Paid ?
      How Much Would It Take For Boeti To Spill ?

    40. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 6:53 pm

      What happen to the body of the 7 year old boy? Where is it? Does anyone know?

    41. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 6:59 pm

      Maybe , just maybe, they found the remains of the 7 year old. They took Natalee out to the site, wrapped in plastic, and then wrapped the boy’s remains in plastic with Natalee.

      Does that make sense to anyone? Doesn’t even make sense to me, but it went through my mind, so I put it in print. Can any one help me with the details?

    42. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 6:59 pm

      kelmal’s request

      a pair of “sandels” (sic)

    43. KELMAL on September 17th, 2006 7:02 pm

      Jerry, I’m NOT sure but I would say he became fish food.

    44. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 7:02 pm

      510-38 top of ROCK SITE

    45. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 7:05 pm

      Mystery Death still a mystery.

      05-171 still unaccounted for and online record missing.

      Wever’s Crematorium

    46. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 7:12 pm

      There is more than 1 body in the bag & i see a severed foot below the head

    47. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 7:13 pm

      the toes are curled

    48. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 7:15 pm

      Maybe , just maybe, they found the remains of the 7 year old. They took Natalee out to the site, wrapped in plastic, and then wrapped the boy’s remains in plastic with Natalee.


      WB, it doesn’t make sense to you because you possess a conscience and some human compassion.

      -but- it these things don’t matter to
      a vacuous murdering raping Van der Sloot. imo

      There are multiple
      humans in the bag.

      I think you are correct. It very well could
      be Nat and the
      child’s body wrapped
      together in the Basin.

      Justice 4

      I am looking up another pic that should
      give you a closer brighter shot on the
      facial area. -BRB- Give me a little bit
      to look it up.

      The shoe hand difference distance issue is
      because the shoe could be a foot or so pushed
      back from the hands. The hands are right up
      against the front of the bag.

      If you wanna se them w/out color
      inversion turned on – simply dl
      the photo to your PC and use
      Microsoft Paint (built in to XP)
      you can toggle color inversion
      on and off to get 2 different


    49. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 7:26 pm


      Thanks for the emails & link! While your in the rocks area I wanted to ask you about a still where the men are all facing the rocks with back turned to video operator and there a few feet behind them there appears to be an arm. It looks to big to be Natalee’s. You cirled what i think is the arm but you didn’t say what you thought which i’m sure is coz you’re wanting people to come to their own conclusion. Will you link that one here too please?

    50. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 7:46 pm

      I’m right behind ya Carpe……as you typed about Wever funeral home & the mystery death. Why and by who? blocked the view of who died?

    51. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 7:47 pm

      as you were typing that i was checking too

    52. nychic on September 17th, 2006 7:47 pm

      #44 carpe -
      Do you think that is a dog in that crevice ?

      possibly this one:

      (sorry if this has already been covered)

      I also remember that animal’s blood will cause
      traces of human blood to not appear as such
      when luminol was applied ??

    53. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 7:49 pm

      hey mayan,

      is this the shot?

    54. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 7:54 pm


      maybe… ?

    55. nychic on September 17th, 2006 7:59 pm

      #43 KELMAL -

      Since When Did Fish Start Eating Human Bones ?
      Remember The ALE Said This Alleged Body Was A Year Old !
      Even Sharks Will Not Eat Bones – They Spit Them Back Out

      So Why Did Paulus Know Guido Well Enough To Shake
      His Hand At The Blackjack Table ?
      Was There A Secret Chip Involved ?
      Not Many Players Are Awarded That Privilege !

    56. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 8:00 pm

      510-24 Corpse Face
      A close up.

    57. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 8:06 pm
    58. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 8:11 pm
    59. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 8:24 pm

      Justice 4 Natalee

      The Rocks site close up

    60. ben on September 17th, 2006 8:26 pm

      i see the body of a blonde female,bare shoulder behind the male bodys head.Any one see that,i may be wrong you decide.

    61. ben on September 17th, 2006 8:35 pm

      can any one tell me where to get boycott aruba bumper boycott aruba, window marker does not last long.

    62. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 8:36 pm

      hiya nychic,

      not sure about that with that particullar pic.
      i don’t thin i see it on that one.

      but what the heck are these items that
      appear to be layed out and spread on
      a tarp. and what is the bloody looking
      smear near way the thing is hanging out
      sticking out of the rocks?

    63. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 9:00 pm


      Look at the photo that has the X on it. Isn’t that the wrist, the index finger is curved up and the thumb is pointed down? Maybe you have already said this I don’t know, but you did have a question mark on the hand at one time. If on the bottom where the outstretched hand is, the other object is a foot, then this makes sense. The hand is draped over the head. Do you see it?

    64. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 9:00 pm

      another face shot

      basin video

      justice for
      natalee ann

    65. 10061906 on September 17th, 2006 9:05 pm

      Before I get too far and involved:
      Waterboy. On webshot community where tourist post albums I found pictures of Geoffrey and Micheal together. “You would be surprised what we can get girls to do when we tell them we are police officers is one of the captions.
      Then there is another album with Michael and two girls. Michael the police commissioner’s son is the caption. Same album has pictures of Michael and Andreas. Other albums show Andreas and other girls and some Aruban local.
      Pictures span from early 2005 to current 2006.
      Does anyone know when and why Natalee’s room was changed and from what room number to what room number on the ground floor?
      Does anyone know when the MBHS S/C got back their passports from the hotel?

      There is a reason in a court of law that you place your hand on The Bible and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God.
      That means that there are different levels of the truths.
      EG: George; did you cut down the cherry tree?
      “Yes, I cannot tell a lie, I cut down the cherry tree”.
      That was the truth: End of Story.
      But the story goes. How did you cut down the tree?
      Yes I cut down the cherry tree with an ax.
      That is the whole truth:
      Also never asked was where did you get the ax to cut down the tree and whose tree was it. Yes I cut down your cherry tree and I used the ax that I stole from our neighbor.
      This is nothing but the truth.
      So; if you do not believe in God and no one asks the right question and you do not get
      caught: then you lie.

      These are examples from the Holloway case.
      Dompig: We have uncovered new and damaging evidence. Wow !!!!
      That was the truth.
      The evidence never was revealed nor who would have been damaged?
      Dompig: “the three are guilty as hell.
      We have uncovered new evidence.
      That was the truth.
      However when Dompig discovered the new evidence may have shown that his son was involved then suddenly his theory was Natalee over dosed and drowned. Remember Michael fingered Geoffrey and caused Geoffrey to be a suspect.
      The information that we have received from the MBHS students is very damaging.
      My question is damaging to who?
      I have shown in previous posting that these persons namely Joran, Deepak, Satish, Guido, Michael, Geoffrey, Andreas, Koen, Freddie and Steve Croes. who say that they do not know each other is a crock of s—t.
      Remember there are a lot of past tourists to Aruba who have taken pictures showing the above do know each other by association and proves that they hang out at the Holiday Inn the Wyndram and C&C’s. The suspects’ photos may have taken theirs’ off the net but they cannot access and remove the tourists’ albums. Interesting that Joran, the psychopath, continues to post his photos.
      Then we have Paulus van der Sloot, Jan van der Straaten, Williem von Cromvorit, Dennis Jacobs, Koen’s father, Nelson Oduber, Karle Wever, Rudy Croes, Steve Croes and a multitude of others who either through business dealings, socially or professionally, know each other.
      While I’m at it; IMO I feel that the cell phone Croes is a MOLE who
      Befriended Beth; and then relayed the information back to the ALE. I believe that is how everyone was always one step ahead of Beth and Dave. “From the XFILES; “the truth is out there, “TRUST NO ONE”. I’ll go with Beth’s intuition that Natalee was at the van der Sloot’s and Joran admits taking Natalee there.
      Going back a few days prior to Natalee’s disappearance at the hands of the three suspects; Natalee was accosted and slapped at C and C’s by Joran and Geoffery, No where is it known if any other females from MBHS were treated the same way.
      Going back to Deepak’s statement that Natalee dressed like a slut and acted like one.
      Poor choice of words. However in viewing Natalee in some family videos: I would say that she was quite an attractive young woman and may have had that come hither look but do not touch me attitude. To the predators that makes Natalee a “Cherche la Femme”.
      I believe that the pimps thought Natalee was on the make and teased them but she refused their advances so they singled her out to teach her a lesson. Knowing she would be leaving on May 30, IMO the initial plot was hatched to drug and kidnap her while she was at the HI. Why else would Joran say that Sunday night at C and C’s would be boring and not a good night. That was a statement to try and keep her there. Joran went home after he left the Excelsior. He probably got a call from someone at C&C’s that the MBHS students and Natalee were there. In a few hours a plot was hatched to separate Natalee and kidnap her. The reason he asked Deepak if he wanted to go to C&C’s was because his car resembles a taxi and it would be easier to convince a half drugged person to get in the car by offering to share a ride back to THEIR hotel. (twenty times before). He told everyone he was staying at the HI. On the way to Joran’s Deepak stopped briefly to let everyone know they hit the jackpot and for everyone to get ready and get over to Joran’s pad. Since the Sloot’s neighbors were away and Anita and Joran’s brothers were away; they would get even with Natalee and she could scream all she wanted, no one would interfere. IMO everything that Joran says that Natalee said to him was all made up in Joran’s mind. Once they got past the mall, a drugged and confused Natalee was further sedated in Deepak’s car with ether. I will not speculate on what happened to Natale but what ever it was she MUST NOT identify her assailants and/or she was abused to the extent that incriminating evidence had to be hidden or an autopsy would have determined an incriminating cause of death. IMO it was hypoxia.
      In so far as where she was finally taken; I would guess the gold mine air shafts that are only a few miles from the Sloot’s house.

      Cremation or the ocean may have been plausible and I tried to tie it all together but then you have another set of players involved. When I first posted last year I thought of the mine shafts and was blown off by those saying there was no access to the mines. I meant the air shafts similar to the above url.
      So in order to hide Natalee and what happened to her, those involved created a cover up, thinking her disappearance would blow over. No one on Aruba thought so many human beings interested in justice would get involved and cause the decline in its’ economy.
      Why are the Dutch investigators on Aruba?
      (1)They are there to examine the case for evidence linking anyone to Natalee’s disappearance. If any evidence is uncovered they will make sure it like Natalee disappears.
      (2)Find a plausible scapegoat, make sure all new evidence contrived points to the patsy, convict and sentence that person. Cased closed. No justice for Natalee.
      “The cowboys will be satisfied but will go home without the prize”……………….

    66. mayan_moons on September 17th, 2006 9:12 pm

      Thats the one #54

      Thanks for the link…..i’m organiZing these files.
      Having all these stills is great, theres just so much to see in that short little video 24. I was arround when you posted the first stills & i’m thinking could this really be??? That for all their effort to hide Natalee, we can see it all. Every image i’ve seen in that bag is haunting, one of the most is where you can see blood on her lips & her tongue is out.(i’m sorry) That is Natalee’s face no matter who or what they out in that bag with her.

    67. ben on September 17th, 2006 9:36 pm

      on the 510-24 pic if you look at the males ear and look upward slowly you see blonde hair a facial out line,and what lookks like her fore arm and hand,i also see her bare right shoulder.

    68. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 17th, 2006 9:42 pm


      Wow is all I can say. The hole—is that an airshaft?

      You know, there is a way to find Natalee, if the shaft does not open to a cavern underground. You take a cadaver dog to each shaft you want to search, and start pouring water in. If there is a body, the water will float cell, tissue, etc, and give off an odor detectable to a cadaver dog. I’m not but about 85% on this, but dogs can easily find a body under water. Like I have said before, they track by skin cells that are always sloughed.

    69. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 9:42 pm

      that last one “tongue out picture” post that
      mayan moons is referring to is
      510-25 slide # 008

      That one knocks the wind out of me. :(


    70. Judy W. on September 17th, 2006 10:07 pm

      Carpe and Waterboy,
      I don’t believe we are seeing two different heads in the pics under the plastic. I think I see Natalee with a hole in the back side of her head and in front of her face is a mask, one of those that is plastic and has features such as eyes, nose, mouth. I agree with whoever said that it looks like a dog in the rock crevice. And on the tarp in front of the crevice, it looks like the back half of a sheep, a couple of baby pigs or could be rats and a guene (crap not how you spell that) pig. I know that sounds strange but that is what I have been seeing for a while looking at this particular photo. Do you think they were doing some sort of sacrificing or devil worship or something? I am sure, as WB and I discussed before that we are seeing Natalee’s arm/hand being wrapped in plastic in one of the photos at the rocks.

    71. Maggie on September 17th, 2006 10:10 pm

      If they had nothing to hide they would play the entire video instead of the part that was shown to make it look like Natalee (20:58) entered after Joran(19:51), but they didn’t bother mentioning that Natalee was shown at the casino table at 20:25 earlier than it showing her entering. It says it might help answer the question if Natalee was targeted, as if Natalee came in after him. Posner was suppose to be investigating who leaked it. He’s probably hot on their trail.

    72. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 10:12 pm

      waterboy, the photo with a x on it…

      I tried to back track and find…

      but I’m dealing with a lot of pics and am
      cross-eyed… could u give me a post #
      or a pic # ( either / or ) as a reference
      pernt? thank you.


    73. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 10:17 pm

      boy there are a lot of bottomless holes in Lie-Ruba!!!

      That open airshaft is a M U T H A.

      Have a nice TRIP, see yas next FALL, Jeeve-sie ole boy.

      HOLY MACK’EL. They should grate those things for
      the safety of kids and animals.

    74. Judy W. on September 17th, 2006 10:22 pm

      Your version sounds very plausible. I feel that whatever happened to Natalee happened at Joran’s house also and that all the pimps and Paulus were involved.

    75. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 11:00 pm
    76. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2006 11:31 pm


      Put on your MOON GOGGLES for this one!

      Justice 4 Natalee

    77. Minnesota Dad on September 17th, 2006 11:32 pm


      I don’t think your analysis is all there. You really need to build in the ‘Paulus Factor’ into your analysis.

      It is clear – from Paulus hitting on Natalee, to Paulus’ conduct post Natalee; that Paulus is the main perpetrator. I believe your analysis may be correct…but I don’t think the pimps are involved as deep as you think.

      I believe the LARGE ATM withdrawals Paulus was taking in the middle of the night went to payoff the pimps to provide alibi’s should ‘plan A’ not work. When ‘plan B’ kicked in, the pimps either became false witnesses with false alibi’s…or ditched the country all together.

      Why would anyone utilize the law to cover their tracks the way Paulus did? Why would Paulus sue Aruba? Why would judges with clear CONFLICT OF INTEREST help their buddy Paulus?

      It is very clear. Those in power (not elected officials…but ‘real’ power) in Aruba felt the best way to cover-up this case was to get the real perpetrator as far away from it as possible. You do this by creating legal “layers of the onion” that make it virtually impossible to peel the onion and get to the heart of the matter.

      Paulus is your perp. You need to build this story to include the perp. md

    78. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 18th, 2006 12:10 am


      I think the one with the X is 51024. It’s the double picture.

    79. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 18th, 2006 12:20 am

      Carpe and Waterboy,
      I don’t believe we are seeing two different heads in the pics under the plastic. Carpe and Waterboy,
      I don’t believe we are seeing two different heads in the pics under the plastic. I think I see Natalee with a hole in the back side of her head and in front of her face is a mask, one of those that is plastic and has features such as eyes, nose, mouth. I agree with whoever said that it looks like a dog in the rock crevice. And on the tarp in front of the crevice, it looks like the back half of a sheep, a couple of baby pigs or could be rats and a guene (crap not how you spell that) pig. I know that sounds strange but that is what I have been seeing for a while looking at this particular photo. Do you think they were doing some sort of sacrificing or devil worship or something? I am sure, as WB and I discussed before that we are seeing Natalee’s arm/hand being wrapped in plastic in one of the photos at the rocks.

      To Judy W.

      Good to hear from you. I thought there for awhile that you and I were the only two interested in video #8 and the 1min. 34sec. point.

      I’ve seen some strange things in the plastic, but I’ve been holding back because I thought it was too silly. I’ll try later to put it into words. The part of the world where the Ks family is from was into human sacrifice, and not too long ago. They have even had some cases in 2002 or so (in India).

    80. molly on September 18th, 2006 12:26 am

      IMO if all the perps are arrested, Aruban government will totally go down. Then the real Arubans can take back their island.

      Poor Natalee. She was so undeserving of what she went through.

      molly (in Houston)

    81. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 18th, 2006 12:36 am

      Minnesota Dad,

      Check, check, and double check. You’re right, he has insulated himself, layer after layer.

      Okay, I think that most of us agree that Paulus probable hid Natalee—right?
      How would a lawyer know how to hide a body? Could it be that he defended some slime bag killer at some point that told him how to do it? They tell their lawyer everything, especially if their lawyer is of low moral character.

    82. molly on September 18th, 2006 12:54 am

      1006: I think you are right about the mole. I was nervous from the beginning about the people who Beth trusted on the island. Dave was experiencing a leak, too. People who acted like they were looking for Natalee were really collecting info to protect the perps.

      molly (in Houston)

    83. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 12:56 am

      TY WB, am lookin’ …


      Hey ARUBA…

      We OVERWHELMINGLY support
      Natalee’s family. So whip out
      your sword and admire it for
      a bit, ‘cuz you’re fittin’
      to go down on it. :)

      This here be Holloway-Tweety Country!!!

      Sink or Swim today, it’s always
      has been your choice.

      yes, I checked it out.
      nope. ;)


    84. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 1:23 am

      Yet another whacked ALE witness
      statement. ha ha rrrrrright!

    85. mayan_moons on September 18th, 2006 2:50 am

      lmao goon egg!~

      it was hatched by 1 nasty fowl!~

    86. Miss-Underestimated on September 18th, 2006 8:44 am





    87. GutFeeling on September 18th, 2006 9:15 am

      #65 and #77. I agree with many of your theories for 2 reasons…..1.Paulus made the determination not to attempt to pass this off as an accident. 2. NH was not in the final hiding place when PVDS learned of the situation.

      That said, I am curious if you two believe that Paulus made up the HI story. Minnesota Dad, what do you think?

    88. Minnesota Dad on September 18th, 2006 9:57 am

      Gutfeeling – #87

      Paulus made up the HI story. Paulus is into this up to his neck.

      The fact that Aruba made the decision to go along with a cover-up — where typically, these things go away within a month as a ‘missing person’….never to be solved or heard of again. That was the playbook. Paulus’ buddies in the judiciary and law enforcement agreed to help him get out of it.

      The problem is, it became like quicksand. The more Beth Twitty demanded accountability, the more they needed to scramble to distance Paulus from the case.

      When you start looking at what has gone on with Paulus from the beginning of this case to today….it is painfully obvious that he is the perpetrator.

      Aruba just doesn’t know what to do now because judges, and law enforcement were complicit in the early going…..and then they have been playing cover-up as much as Paulus in order to save their skins.


    89. molly on September 18th, 2006 10:25 am

      OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

      Sunday’s Houston Chronicle has a big ad for the Home and Interior Design Show that was this weekend. Guess what the grand drawing prize was??? a trip to ARUBA, sponsored by Houston Chronicle, Continental Airlines, and The Mill Resort & Suites Aruba. “Your personally identifiable information will not be shared with a third party without your permission.” Oh yea, that goes without saying. No one will tell your whereabouts. Heck, they won’t even remember your name after you have been raped, beaten and killed on Aruba.

      molly (in Houston)

    90. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 10:40 am

      If you give an Aruban a fish, he’ll eat for a day…

      BUT, if TEACH AN Aruban how to fish…

      He’ll steal all your fishing pole$ & resell your boat
      on the black market
      for a LIFETIME? :)


      Hola! Yo quiero mi FEESHY-POLO, Seen-yore-eater???

      Aruba, when I think
      of you I remember
      to projectile vomit!

      -j4n you lintballs

    91. GutFeeling on September 18th, 2006 10:40 am

      Minnesota Dad
      If Paulus had this kind of cooperation, do you think that the police believed that they were simply trying to help Paulus escape taking the rap for what they thought was an accident?

      And now it is too incriminating to question their judgement at the time?

      Or do you think that PVDS has illegal ties with an institution that would cover for him no matter what?

    92. Minnesota Dad on September 18th, 2006 11:08 am

      91 – gutfeeling…

      I do not necessarily believe things were an accident.

      I believe the bloody mattress that was found was the Van Der Sloots. I believe that the furniture truck showing up weeks later was replacing the mattress….this would kind of explain why Aruba refused to issue subpoena’s to search Paulus’ home….They would have discovered a mattress missing a blood evidence all over the place. So, rather than search the premises….just deny the search so that evidence can not be gotten.

      An accident which would involve the administration of GHB or some other drug would be at least manslaughter. That is why the body had to be disappeared….no body…no ability to determine what kind of drugs they administered to her. This is still a very serious crime. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS A HIGH RANKING JUSTICE OFFICIAL WHOSE HANDS ARE ALL OVER THIS CASE.

      To unravel the misconduct perpetrated by Paulus’ buddies in law enforcement and the Aruban/Curacao judiciary would basically destroy the whole house of cards down there. The path chosen was one which distanced Paulus further from the case so that it would be virtually impossible – SHORT OF DUTCH INTERVENTION IN VOIDING JUDGEMENTS MADE TO PROTECT PAULUS BY JUDGES WITH CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Thus, yes, it is way too incriminating to solve this crime as it would bring down those who assisted Paulus.

      I don’t know about the illegal ties. If you look at the history of Caribbean islands, they quickly try to make these disapearance cases/ murders disappear because of their harm to tourism. Their goal was to bring in the two black guys — stretch out prosecution over two years — and then when it was obvious they were innocent, state the case was closed and they had no leads. Beth Twitty caught them playing this game and they didn’t like it one bit.

      I think Aruba was more concerned about tourism and followed the typical playbook for making the case disappear. The problem….we live in the Internet era where this case will never go away and will continue to decimate Aruba’s tourism. They could have worked this playbook in the 80′s and had the case go away….doesn’t work today. All Caribbean islands need to take note so that this never happens in the future!


    93. JusticeforNatalee on September 18th, 2006 11:18 am

      Why aren’t the two security guards suing?!

      Do you think they were threatened, paid off, or are unable to afford counsel?

      Surely, someone could represent them pro bono.

    94. Minnesota Dad on September 18th, 2006 11:26 am

      #93 – J4N

      Very simple….the two black guys don’t need to be distanced from the case. Paulus and Aruba needed to distance Paulus to make it harder to solve the case (the only way I see it can be done is to VOID all judgements made by a corrupt black robed friend of Paulus).

      Second….the court would not allow their claims. This isn’t about fairness and justice. It was about distancing Paulus from the case.

      I think what would be VERY fascinating is to find out just how many times the Aruban Law Enforcement has been sued in the same manner that Paulus did and what were the courts results.

      My money says that Paulus is one of the first to pull this ‘suing Aruba’ stunt and by utilizing the stunt they have utilized Dutch Law to insulate and protect the Perp.


    95. Miss-Underestimated on September 18th, 2006 12:43 pm


      I also think that this Paulus sueing crap is a part of a legal manuver, that if the courts settle he is no longer deemed a suspect, that would be now in 2 seperate courts. Criminal and civil. I think it may have something to do with their judical system. I think it is purely for the sake of legal posturing to eliminate the possibilty of being re-name a suspect.

      Were is the Pro bono attorneys to protect Mickey Johns?
      Not high profile enuff?

    96. Meee on September 18th, 2006 1:46 pm

      Kelmel- Aruba is different from the rest of the world. Since they welcome underage gamblers that proves they are different. So all bets are off as to what takes place in them. Paulus seems to be friends with Posner. So that means he could be considered a trusted individual. If he knew the dealer also. He definitly could have shaken his hand. This is a small island. And given what Aruba has gone through to protect Paulus and his son. Him shaking a dealers hand in his friends Casino is possible. Everyone knows everyone. And since this apparently has been spotted by a poster here. That’s a very good chance it happened. This is Aruba

    97. KELMAL on September 18th, 2006 2:49 pm

      Me, One poster saw it and NOBODY else saw it so it must be true!! LOL!!!LOL!!!!! What a JOKE !!!!!!!!!OK lets say it did happen . Lets say it IS Paulus . THEN WHAT ???? I will tell you what NOTHING. If it is Paulus EVERYONE from the ALE, FBI, CIA, ATF, JQK, WARD, WOOD, Skeeters, Beth, JUG, Dave all know it is Paulus. What has happened since they found out. NOTHING !!! Everything is the SAME. Aruba has even cleared Paulus of any WRONG doing. If the FBI had info that that was Paulus do you think they would sit back and let Aruba clear hom. If the New York judge knew that was Paulus do you think she would have dismissed the case. If so this goes DEEPER than all of us think !!!

    98. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 2:51 pm

      Mr. Waterboy Jerry — RE: your
      post #63 to me yesterday.

      What do I see?

      Yes, sir I see it much of the way you do.

      Here are some key points:
      (maybe a difference or two)

      I see her natural hair part in just about every shot
      and that is one feature that I look for.

      I am wrong, but that hair part is there in
      about all known living shots I see of Nat.


      I have ID’d what I believe to be her sandals
      in 510-24 ARUBAY.

      I compare her forehead in many of the shots
      including the X juxtaposition one that you touch on.

      In the above shot particular shot.
      She is just simply FUBAR.

      It is almost like they wanted that way by design
      so NOBODY could ID her. I see arms & hands.
      In other slides
      I see feet and legs that could be roughly measured
      The size and measurements of
      the basin… these figures are known values.

      There are teeth slides, they are very faint
      but can be enhanced and compared further.

      The shots where I can come closest to identifying
      it as undoubtedly Natalee would be this one & this one.

      Mayan Moons and some other posters have helped me
      see the light about the severed foot near/on her
      face in this shot. You can see toes and nail polish.

      Her left side took it the worst. It seems like
      that is the side they try and disguise most in the bag.
      It looks like whatever it was she was trying
      to block it was with her right hand.
      (and then her left was crossed over that)

      I think this is about as close as we’ll ever
      get to how the strike sequence went down.

      Her hands seem frozen in time MAY 30TH 2005 (imo)

      Right hand up, Left left hand crosses over it…
      She’s possibly fighting off a Joran knife attack…
      (he’s pulled a blade at least once before reportedly
      on another female — old habits die hard in a
      Dutch wannabe pimp)

      and the strike likely came with her body in a
      “squared off” type stance with the blunt trauma
      on the left side. The car ran her over (which I think
      the car that was about the the heavy battery charges)

      It was party time, they were all drinking, even Satish
      the driver! He was not the full-time driver of that car!!!
      That makes him DOUBLE DANGEREROUS …
      drunk, and not used to
      the ride! I believe
      Natalee was definitely drunk, probably drugged by
      them and C&C and she was in a extreme agitated,
      confused, and stressful state. RUNNING AWAY.

      So would most other
      people coming to consciousness
      and trying to escape
      and all out sexual attack!!!

      You know how low a Honda is to the ground. Bad stuff.
      It would have hit her and most likely dragged her along
      the rocky terrain. HEAVY BATTERY.

      The only thing good about a car
      (if there is a GOOD thing)
      is the death most likely happened in a
      blink with no suffering.

      There were jagged rocks and steep cliff
      drops all around. The beach and area near
      the lighthouse is about as navigable as
      taking a Honda Civic and driving it all
      over the rocks near the friggin Grand Canyon,
      Arizona USA. The boys talk about the terrain
      that night in Polis reports. It is rough. She could
      easily be hit and slammed in to rocks, dart in to
      the path of the car when Satish thought maybe she was
      going a different way. It all happens so fast.

      Remember: Joran fumes at the Kalpoe disclosure that’ll
      places him at the CLH that night. He DID NOT
      wanted cops to think he was
      even there.

      For some shots on ARASHI BEACH, SAND DUNES,
      and LIGHT HOUSE AREA terrain and maps
      go here to my new Cali
      Lighthouse page of pics. If friggin MARS had a nice
      ocean, that’s what it looks like.

      Rocks, big ones everywhere!

      Satish hits her… 1st t burial — Sand Dunes… (boys/shovels)
      Joran heads up PLAN BODY CLEAN UP before he goes home.
      Gets people first round of payments. Dad may be helping train
      the young murder already…
      2 dogs come STEVE CROES and GEOFF
      Van Cromvoirt do “temp clean up.” Until they can drop her in
      the ocean in the fish trap for good. The one they ripped off
      from breaking in to the FH. Koen was probably called in
      on this one, but later.




      Dilbert can go to COLLEGE!!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


      That’ll be 30,000 Florins please,
      thank you drive around
      to the next window with the
      bobbing clown head!!!!!!

      Wonder if he’d feel the same
      if Anita, or Valentijn were raped and slayed
      ( heavy battery style )
      and tossed like trash in to the BASIN NEAR
      MARRIOTT waiting for body pick up,
      then on to a undetectable sea burial?
      (no radar boat)
      What a DAD!!!! Mr. Cleaver had nuttin on this guy.

      Hey Aruban-Dutch slit throats? One day you’re gonna need
      the sloppy, loud, annoying Americans… and
      we’ll be fu4kin’

      FOR YOUR
      ‘EM MATCH!!!

      Joran is a real catch…
      if you like heavy battery.


      I pity the fools.

    99. Meee on September 18th, 2006 3:25 pm

      Can’t argue with alot of what you said. But the FBI is sitting this thing out. With all the info they know. The NY judge wouldn’t have ruled in favor with this info or not. NY wasn’t a proper forum for this case. The corrupt country of Aruba won’t be doing anything with this knowledge no matter who screams or yells about it. All true. But when you speak “never ever” rantings in your post. I’m just hear to tell you that it’s only your opinion. And that it’s very possible that Paulus was shaking hands with a dealer at his friends casino. Despite your “never ever” rantings. This is Aruba. Anything goes. The fine upstanding person that Paulus has been made out to be. By Aruba officials. I have no doubt that his buddy Posner would have no problems with him shaking hands with a dealer. Especially someone he may be friends with. Aruba is a small island. Everyone knows everyone.

    100. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 3:55 pm
    101. KELMAL on September 18th, 2006 4:00 pm

      Mee, That is where you are WRONG. Nobody is EVER allowed to shoke a dealers hand. NOBODY. If you have ever been to a casino you would know. A casino is there for one reason and that is to make MONEY. NObody is EVER trusted. Not only are you NOT allowed to shake hands with a dealer you are NOT allowed to TOUCH a dealer. This is FORBIDDEN !!!If there was a clip of this the TV station would still have it. We would have ALL seen it by now. One person sees it. Millions don’t. Who is right here?? Even Jessica Simpson could figure this one out !!!

    102. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 4:12 pm

      Justice 4 Natalee!

      Nail a raping Vand der Rape and Kalpoe
      by putting behind bars where they
      belong 2 DAY — JAIL THEM like
      the lying murdering
      predatory rapists they are!


    103. 10061906 on September 18th, 2006 4:47 pm

      Ok Minnesotadad. Try this. It was rushed and may not seem to be thought through completely. Less pimps more Paulus.
      Joran’s tuition at the International School costs $11,500.00 annualy.
      Paulus and Anita both work.
      Paulus and Joran like to gamble.
      Paulus and Joran have a credit line at which casino(s)?
      Nowhere does anyone say what Anita likes to do or where she likes to go.
      Joran gambles but doesn’t work.
      Where do they get the money to gamble?
      IMO they are party to the laundering machine on the island.
      They receive cash from drug sales and receive a percent of what they loose. The casino dealers make sure they loose. That is why it seems that Paulus and the dealers are so friendly.
      The drug money gets exchanged for chips used for gambling. The cash exchanged for chips gets deposited in the casino account.
      Paulus screws the drug dealers and they get pissed off.
      Paulus makes arrangements with his son to get Natalee to their house.
      The dealer is a mole and rats on Paulus.
      The drug dealers are waiting there for Joran when he arrives because Deepak ratted him out to the drug dealers at the bar were they stopped.
      When the four show up they take Natalee inside the van der sloots.
      They get rid of Joran, Deepak and Satish.
      They film Paulus with Natalee in very compromising positions.
      Natalee manages one brief phone call that says she does not even know these guys. But unfortunately for Natalee she is used and is killed.
      They leave telling Paulus we have you on film screw us again and your dead. Now you figure out what to do with the body.
      Call to van der Straaten…………….The rest we know but not where Natalee is. Ok she is on the Van der Sloot Property.
      No pimps, no ocean, no gold mines, no cremation no body in a bag.
      There is why you have layers and layers between Paulus and the truth.
      That is what the dealers have on Paulus and they are using Joran as a scapegoat. That is what they have on Van der Stratton. “How could I do this to my best friend’s son.” They have Jan by the short hairs too.

    104. KELMAL on September 18th, 2006 5:12 pm

      1906, Another very PLAUSIBLE theory. What is so frustrating is we will NEVER know which one is true. This picture is worth a THOUSAND words.

    105. KELMAL on September 18th, 2006 5:14 pm
    106. 10061906 on September 18th, 2006 5:22 pm


    107. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2006 5:45 pm

      Stripping a brand down to the bare frame! Taking
      the island apart piece by cancer filled piece.

      Home of the lying, gang raping predator Joran Van der sloot
      and Deepak, and Satish Kalpoe. VDS-Montanja, — KALPOES-Mt. Hooiberg Aruba.


      For a murdering
      island that tolerates all out attack on victims
      and victim’s families, misogyny, disrepesct for EVERYONE,
      lying to those in power, lying to ANYONE!!!!!!!

      Great read:

    108. vicki on September 18th, 2006 5:46 pm

      Please, SM, get that stinking troll off of the board…its making me sick

    109. 10061906 on September 18th, 2006 6:01 pm

      The two guards arrested cannot legally sue as they are still considered suspects. The same as Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes, Geoffrey and Guido. Under Aruban law you have to legally be released from being a suspect before you can sue. Ergo Paulus petitioned and won so now he can sue. I have not read where the others petitioned to be released as suspects.

    110. KELMAL on September 18th, 2006 7:05 pm

      1906, Yes it’s SAD. It’s a shame what Aruba has done to Beth. Like I said that picture is worth a thousand words. She ia an AMERICAN HERO !!! -R4N-

    111. Meee on September 18th, 2006 7:11 pm

      I have been to many casinos and I am aware of this fact you speak of. But as we have seen in Aruba. Things work differently. Is Posner friends with Paulus? Does he Trust Paulus? If the answer is yes. Then it’s quite possible. As I have said before. Posner let’s underage patrons into his casino. He gives them lines of credit? That only goes to show that things work different down in Aruba. Whether or not he let’s underage people in for there money doesn’t really change the fact, that he is breaking every other casinos creed. Outside of Aruba. No touching the dealer. Inside Aruba, Posner makes the rules. If his friend Paulus wants to touch a dealer. Who are you are I to say it can’t happen. I trust my friends not to rip me off. Why wouldn’t Posner.

    112. molly on September 18th, 2006 7:54 pm

      1006: Your latest is a brilliant synopsis. Money laundering is the key to all the gambling. Joran was said to be a terrible gambler. There must be a reason for that, and a reason why they let him keep coming to gamble.
      Joran did laugh and say to Deepak, “The same ones who control me, control you.” Fits in with what you suppose.

      molly (in Houston)

    113. Maggie on September 18th, 2006 7:55 pm

      I believe Paulus is involved in the cover up and the casino tape looks like him, still waiting for it to be confirmed.
      I thought someone said here there is no record that we know of ATM withdrawals that night. I remember Beth said Paulus first said he picked Joran up at Mcdonalds at 4 am then changed it to 11 pm the previous night. The police car transcript Deepak tells Joran he will get 15 years if they find Natalee. It also mentions a Karen girl having something on him. I think she was one of the 3 girls mentioned in JQK’s papers. I think they are all 4 involved and even more in the cover up part. Paulus worked with many of them and probably has stuff on them. Joran even describes Natalee’s private parts and her underwear and falling asleep while he’s doing stuff to her.

    114. KELMAL on September 18th, 2006 8:14 pm

      Mee, I HAVE BEEN THERE. Same RULES apply. You CAN’T touch the DEALER. END of STORY !!

    115. Minnesota Dad on September 18th, 2006 8:25 pm


      Decent theory….but I think you give the drug runners way to much credit.

      I think Paulus hit on Natalee…told Joran he’d like to have her and Joran went out to get her. Remember Deepak’s statement, “Your own father, disgusting” or something to that effect?

      Based on the conversation of the three stooges in the back of the cop car…it seems pretty clear that Paulus was a player in this hole sordid affair.

      Again, I don’t think that this is as deep or as well thought out by a bunch of drug runners. I just think it was a slimey dad who used his kid to pick up girls, who would then drug them and bring them home for him to have his way with…

      It works perfect…Anita was out of town and Paulus still has not provided a timeline of his actions that makes any sense. md

    116. Maggie on September 18th, 2006 9:01 pm

      The way I understand this is Deepak is telling Joran he dont care about his family and what he did got his own father arrested and he says unbelievable. Of course Joran then says he didn’t get him arrested, it was Deepak’s fault that he was.

      D to J: You don’t give a shit about your the members of your own family?

      J to D: The only thing that I can think of is my family I do what my family tells me to do.

      J to D: Right, retard.

      D to J: Your own father, unbelievable!

      J to D: Wat my father, it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn’t declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father.

    117. Maggie on September 18th, 2006 9:10 pm

      Justice4Natalee, I agree.. Michael Baden said if Natalee was overdosed on alcohol and/drugs it would take hours for her to die, because you pass out first, then go into a coma.

    118. 10061906 on September 18th, 2006 9:14 pm

      115 Your last sentence fits in very well and based on Anita’s arrival back on Aruba I’m sure she may have “gotten” a taste of what happened. Hey look at that
      GOTTEN Gottenbos
      In order prove your next to last paragraphIf that be the case wouldn’t Paulus make vehicle arrangements since Joran does not have a driver’s license? As Joran says we did this at least twenty times before and nothing ever went wrong.Than you would almost insinuate that Anita also was deeply involved with other kiddnapings etc. However I would guess she was not always away for that to happen. Therefore when she is home another place has to be used. Now we come back to the fork in the road and the Lions’ Den comes back into play.
      When you look on the map 17 Noord is less than a 5 minute drive from the van der Sloots. Take 3B turn left at St Ana Church and the bank is also on the way.
      Somewhere out there in the lies there is truth.
      The problem which one.

    119. ben on September 18th, 2006 9:30 pm

      Read some of shango again last nite,he said follow the music.What if this video is a ruse to keep people looking in the wrong place may be the music should be looked into more.OH IF ANY RUNS INTO JORANS LAWER WILL YOU TELL HIM, BEN HATCHETT CALLED HIS CLIENT A RAPIST AND MURDERER

    120. ben on September 18th, 2006 9:31 pm


    121. yoyo muffintop on September 18th, 2006 9:58 pm

      Or maybe the talk in the back seat of the police car was a result of each of the suspects being told a “story” as to what happened, and the conversation was based off those individual stories. This interrogation technique might have been what promted J2K to “attack” each other, so to speak, in the back of that police car. Also, don’t forget about translation errors – the conversations in the back seat was a mix of dutch/pap/english that was translated to english. A few mistranslated words here and there can change the meaning quite a bit. Not saying that is what happened with the translation, but very possible

    122. Maggie on September 18th, 2006 10:08 pm

      I believe the cover up was first to cover up the crime and who did it, but later became the cover up to protect the ones who did the cover up also. Could go all the way to Obuder. I believe Paulus is up to his neck in this also, I believe also there is a good chance that is him in the casino. Why not show us the entire tape instead of a part to make it look like Natalee came in after Joran and if you check the clock it shows here there earlier..

      Remember when Dr. Phil did that and Arlene said it was manipulated.. but look what they did with the casino tape.

    123. Meee on September 18th, 2006 11:05 pm

      Kelmel- Please include my last “e” in my handle. Anyway. I’m glad you have been to an Aruban casino. Have you seen anyone try to touch a dealer to prove your theory? Of course you haven’t. You are speculating. You are saying that the Posner casino is like all others. It isn’t. It lets underaged gamblers gamble. So it’s very different from all others. Posner is friends with Paulus. He might have special concessions like the underaged gamblers get. Either way his casino has no credibilty as a regular casino. Because he doesn’t run it like one. He allows underaged gambling. So to say Paulus, who is friends with Posner isn’t allowed to touch a dealer is more of your speculation.

    124. mayan_moons on September 19th, 2006 12:01 am

      Oh my you’ve done it Carpe, for all the horror we’ve seen that was done to poor Natalee, its these stills on this page it ALL finally comes together as one picture with the 2 heads clearly seen. I see BIG defensive wounds….Stabs & Slices cut into her hands. I see a large (more like huge) wound in the middle of her head, am i seeing that right Carpe?~ Coz i see her head & the foot to the left & in the middle of her forehead the wound is large & the black area inside the wound. Looking at that wound makes me think that wound is more like a knife wound than rocks but of course my mind is always open to other possibilities coz i have thought i saw something a particular way & later see it differently.

      What i see tonight is Natalee in that bag cut up with defensive stab wounds on her hands that happened before any car hit her. Look how big those cuts are on her hands. This was a vicious attack, this was NO damn accident.


      Good job,

      This was no easy task in any sense of the word.
      I’m so glad you started working with video 24,
      as much as it hurts and it DOES….and it ends
      ANY thought i ever had that it could be drug
      related (GHB).

    125. mayan_moons on September 19th, 2006 12:29 am

      Look at all the cuts & gashes, this is why Beth & Dave were led arround in circles. This is why Paul paid someone to dismember her body coz he didn’t want them or Americans to see the vicious knife attack Joran put apon Natalee.

    126. yoyo muffintop on September 19th, 2006 12:54 am

      Maggie, come on now — including Obuder:
      The cover-up of the cover-up of the cover-up of the cover-up of the crime. That’s a lot of people coverin’ yet no one talkin’?
      I guess we’ll see after Larry Garrison reveals all, like he said, in less than a week…

    127. mayan_moons on September 19th, 2006 2:27 am

      Back when i gave ALE & other Officials the benefit of the doubt & believed they were doing their job like they told us they were i thought Natalee’s death could’ve been an overdose or drug interaction that was unintended, back before we knew what a lie factory not only Jipshit but the whole freakin island is/was. The more we learned how aruba lies & watched Arlene & Titos painfully try to explain the complexities of Dutch Law, the more i knew this was no od or interaction. If i had to choose i’d hope that she didn’t suffer, she just couldn’t wake up but what we see inside that bag shows a brutality that all who interact with these killers should worry that one day Joran could unleash his anger on you next time. That kind of rage didn’t start with Natalee & it probably won’t just stop with Natalee either.

    128. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:12 am

      T R O L L S ??????

      -Justice 4 Natalee-

    129. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:32 am

      Coming from you MM… I take that as a compliment of the highest order, thank you.


      Yeah, I think those bag scenes make everyone ill. They do me. Sometimes, I have to put them aside and doing something else for a while when it gets too grisly.

      @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@I’M ANGRY@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

      how another human can do such a thing to another human and walk away and act like nothing ever happened????????

      ( joran paulus deepak satish – and all others arrested as suspects – EVEN yes even MICHAEL AND GEROLD DOMPIG )

      These aren’t humans, they are human impersonating throat slitting carnivores. If you let your guard down with these
      slime bags, it’s all over. THE WOLF is at the door.

      Joran if you ever land on US soil again, call me….
      I have a fork I’d like to insert to your esophagus. I sincerely would like to help you come meet Jesus, brother. I taste your blood, I do.

      Anyone who could treat Natalee in such a way… needs a nice attitude adjustment.
      things of which I speak, would be

      So I will meet you on HELL ISLAND some day.

      You’ll be haunted for the rest of what you and your f&**$%
      PIG of a pedophile father USED TO CALL YOUR LIFE. (imo)

      There are people all over who will
      see that this is so.

      …but other than that.

      ENJOY YOUR DAY! ;)

      4 Natalee Ann

      IN TO THE DIRT!!!

    130. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:46 am

      Nychic and Judy W:

      nyc says:
      I also remember that animal’s blood will cause
      traces of human blood to not appear as such
      when luminol was applied ??

      I do think you two are right about
      a dead animal at the site. They are
      painting everything with a mixture
      of something (possibly and animal
      blood mix) that will remove any possible
      ever could have had.



      Justice 4

    131. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 19th, 2006 8:42 am

      to yoyo muffintop,

      I got an e-mail from a remote viewer who has been viewing you! He/She will only reveal the following “Bloody bones, and shinny eyes.” Means nothing to me—how about you?

    132. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 9:16 am




    133. yoyo muffintop on September 19th, 2006 10:16 am

      “He/She will only reveal…”
      Wow, a transexual remote viewer. What kind of circle do you run in?

    134. I Love America on September 19th, 2006 11:12 am

      For those of you swearing that you cannot touch the dealer at a casino in Aruba: You don’t live there and you are not or were not a so called judge in training. Who knows what those people allow their own to do.

    135. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 19th, 2006 1:47 pm

      To yoyo muffintop,

      Just kidding, of course. Did I scare you just a little? It comes from an old book about hunting in Africa, I thought about throwing in some rats, and pit vipers, and a green mamba; but the bloody bones sounded scarier.

      Sorry for the ribbing—but–it was sooo fun.

    136. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 1:49 pm

      Yo might not talk either if Paul had a rope
      around his kid’s neck. Or what about A BELT???

      Do you have children, yo?

    137. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 19th, 2006 1:52 pm

      To yoyo muffintop,

      I hope you can come up with some ingenious way to get even. “Makes the world go round.”

    138. mayan_moons on September 19th, 2006 3:37 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I know you’re working on something right now but when you get the chance would you see if you can make the animal more visable as i can’t see it? Also i’ve Never been able to see a man wearing a mask & if i recall you said this masked person was assaulting a female(Natalee). One more thing driving me crazy is trying to make out wtf is on the ground to the right of the basin still. You thought it could be a person maybe & the weirdest thing is that in the same still it appears to be a small child standing near the pond’s edge. I’m looking for the pic # but i think you’ll recall the one i’m talking about. Maaaan i’m not asking for much am i?? lol

      To Jerry(waterboy: lmao@remote viewer seeing yoyo

    139. yoyo muffintop on September 19th, 2006 3:43 pm

      Waterboy (previously, Jerry) – It’s just a weblog, rib away. No worries. But I have read Hemmingway on Hunting – good book.

      carpe – mabye so, maybe no.

    140. Maggie on September 19th, 2006 7:19 pm

      On October 4, 2005, BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CNN, … On June 11, he [ODUBER] states on international media in front of me — I had no idea what he was about to disclose — that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, and there was blood. Where is that? …

      This is just one of the many statements by Oduber. I remember the statement being made, he was sick of this case, that was months ago. The big phoney hug he gave Beth. I also read Dave’s book about him.

      I saw a president of the USA participate in a cover up and lose his job. A rather intelligent man(Nixon) IMO, so yes I do believe a cover up could even lead up to him. Trying to protect the island from negative publicity of a murdered tourist. Look at AHATA paying people to go out and lie, even lie about the victim and her family. They have access to police files and speak for the government and police. Came to the USA to represent Natalee’s investigation, even though Arlene is related to Guido. The father and Joran have over 1000 police and FBI files as stated by JQK. He went to court to keep the FBI out, if he had nothing to hide why? You would think he would want everyone in on it to show how innocent they were. They’ve blocked and obstructed just like the AHATA. Janssen drug it out trying to run down the clock. Dompig said Janssen would never work with him. What kind of police and govt is that? They sent Dompig out on 48 hrs and approved of him going, so they had to know what he was going to say and when people were outraged, they got rid of him. Just like all the paid spokespeople, when people got sick of their lies and bs. The blue eyed Dutch boy was all a made up story by them also.

      Where is Joran’s May 31st statement? Why is Dennis Jacobs on May 31st asking Deepak and Satish if Joran went to the fisherman’s huts with Natalee, when it was said by Joran that he changed his story on the 9th to the fisherman hut story? His statement on the 9th, he’s asked if he said on May 31st he took to the fisherman’s huts. What a coincidence, the new story was I took her to the Fisherman’s huts..What a coincidence…NOTTTTT. Dennis Jacobs is pathetic. How much money do you have?.. Go have a beer, relax your daughter’s only been missing 2 or 3 days and watch your drinks because the druggies might put something in it. What kind of policeman is that?! What kind of policeman makes the mother sit outside for hours, then comes outside and tells the mother, we won’t be needing your statement. She was at the house the night he was questioned, but they don’t need her statement?! VanderStraten should never have been near the house on the first night. There isn’t one person in this whole story down there that can tell the truth or even appear to be an honorable person who was looking for true justice for Natalee..

      You might think some guy with no pants is walking around in Aruba attacking women at daylight. I go with the odds. Three men go to a bar at closing time and hit on an intoxicated girl, separate her from her friends for one LAST drink, one’s got the car running and pulls up to the curb while people are everywhere in mass confusion looking for cabs. Repeatedly he stays his purpose was to have sex with her, he was going out that night to have sex and I don’t believe for one second he forgot a condom or that Natalee said leave me here 3am on this creepy beach alone in the dark, because you don’t have one. He was in a casino could buy condoms, he said he was dropped by the Marriot could buy condoms nearby, he was CnC could buy condom. The condom story is a joke.

      Everything he says and does, he tries to make himself the victim of everyone, The pathetic trashing of a missing dead girl, She asked him out, she came on to him, she wanted to drink a last shot with me, she wanted me to do a jello shot, she wanted to go with us, she wanted to go see my house, she wanted to see sharks, she wanted to have sex, she wanted me to dance with her, she tried to get me to stay but I had to go home and go to bed, the cops beat him, Deepak and Satish are trying to set him up, Beth and Jug yelled at him. If my daughter was missing and I knew he was the last one with her, you can bet I would be yelling and suspicious too after all his lies, games and bs. Joran himself even states if it was him, he would beat them to get the answers. I feel like I’ve been watching the Pyscho movie day after day on this case..and Poor Natalee, A sweet beautiful young lady who was robbed of her future for nothing more than sick predators. I hope and pray everyday for Justice for her and her family.

    141. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 4:37 am

      This is just one of the many statements by Oduber. I remember the statement being made, he was sick of this case, that was months ago. The big phoney hug he gave Beth. I also read Dave’s book about him.


      forget that shot?

      …and here is how I saw it.

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