Donald Trump Says in Iowa: GOP Frontrunners Mitt Romney & Jeb Bush are Doomed to Lose … Regrets Not Having Run in 2012, ‘I Would’ve Won the Race Against Obama’
TRUMP HAS NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT MITT ROMNEY AND JEB BUSH …
In a sit-down interview with The Des Moines Register, Donald Trump said the two presumed GOP frontrunners, Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, are doomed to lose. The Donald also went on to say that he regretted that he hadn’t run himself in 2012. Although it is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, Trump is
47% 100% correct on a couple of issues. One, Romney had his chance against a weak, unpopular president in 2012 and failed. Romney failed because he tried to back into the victory, rather than play offense and win the game. Two, “we’re Bushed out,” especially when Jeb Bush is for “common core” and is pro ‘illegal” amnesty. Much like what Se. Ted Cruz had stated, Romney and Bush represent the “mushy middle” and have no chance of winning.
In a sit-down interview with The Des Moines Register, he said the two presumed GOP frontrunners, Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, are doomed to lose — and he expressed regret that he hadn’t run himself in 2012.
Trump said he should be in the White House right now.
Trump said he’s not sure which of the potential GOP 2016ers he’d prefer right now, but he’s certain it would be a mistake for Romney to seek a third term.
“He failed. He choked. He’s like a deal-maker that didn’t close the deal. He shouldn’t be running again. He had a great opportunity to win against a president that was absolutely lame, and he didn’t do it. … The 47 percent statement, which was a disaster, is not going away. Romneycare is not going away. All of his problems are not going away. He should get out and get out quickly.”
As for Bush, a former governor of Florida whose family has sent two men to the White House, Trump said: “Frankly we’ve had enough of the Bushes. We’re bushed out.”
At Iowa Freedom Summit this weekend, Donald Trump slams Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush saying they are just not the answer for Republicans. Trump said as to the Presidential election in 2016 and who should be running for the GOP, “It can’t be Mitt because Mitt ran and failed.” Trump further went on to say, “the last thing we need is another Bush. Truer words have ever been spoken and imagine that, they come from The Donald. The last thing the GOP needs in 2016 is an establishment candidate that is more Democrat-like than that who would be in favor of Republican principles and the platform. Donald Trump stated in Iowa that he would “build a beauty of a fence along the southern border.” Whether Trump would or not, or whether he would even give up the perks of his private life to run for president, is irrelevant. What is relevant is that we cannot have another loser, establishment, mushy middle candidate in the form of John McCain or Mitt Romney as the standard bearer.
CBS News: Donald Trump slams Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush:
“It can’t be Mitt, because Mitt ran and failed,” Trump said.
Trump said he liked Romney, formerly a governor of Massachusetts, but he suggested Romney’s infamous “47 percent” comments and his affiliation with a Massachusetts health care reform plan akin to Obamacare should disqualify him.
Plus, Romney “choked” in 2012, failing to unseat Obama in an election that Republicans could have won, Trump argued.
“You can’t have Bush,” Trump added. “The last thing we need is another Bush.”
Trump criticized Bush’s support of common core federal education standards, and he panned Bush’s comment that many illegal immigrants come to the United States as an “act of love” to help their families.
“Half of these people are criminals,” Trump said. “They’re coming for a lot of other reasons, and it’s not love.”
Trump also suggested the unpopularity Jeb Bush’s brother, former President George W. Bush, helped usher President Obama into office: “His brother really gave us Obama.”
Trump offered an ambitious preview of his prospective presidential agenda. ” If I run for president, and if I win, I would totally succeed in creating jobs, defeating ISIS, and stopping the Islamic terrorists… reducing the budget deficit… securing our southern border… stopping nuclear weapons in Iran and elsewhere… saving Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid without cutting it down to the bone… repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something far better.”
MITT ROMNEY TELLS DONORS, HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT.
In a room full of
We the People powerful Republican donors on Friday, Mitt Romney told the group of about 30 individuals that he wanted to be president and was mulling a run in 2016. First reported by the Wall Street Journal, Romney’s comments electrified the world of Republican financiers, who are being courted aggressively by Bush, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and other hopefuls. Electrified? Seriously, who the hell in their right mind would be inspired by a RINO who already had his chance to run for president for the GOP and lost to Obama who had terrible poll numbers, a terrible economy and Obamacare?
Remember when Mitt Romney said on Bloomberg TV on on October 6, 2014, “I’m Not Running, I’m Not Planning on Running.”
Mitt Romney forcefully declared his interest in a third presidential run to a room full of powerful Republican donors Friday, disrupting the fluid 2016 GOP field as would-be rival Jeb Bush was moving swiftly to consolidate establishment support.
Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee, has been mulling another campaign for several months, but his comments Friday marked a clear step forward in his thinking and come amid mounting tensions between the Romney and Bush camps.
“I want to be president,” Romney told about 30 donors in New York. He said that his wife, Ann — who last fall said she was emphatically against a run — had changed her mind and was now “very encouraging,” although their five sons remain split, according to multiple attendees.
So let’s get this straight, the powers that be in the GOP get giddy over the likes of another Bush presidency and another run from a failed RINO? Good grief. No wonder the GOP has not smelled a whiff of the White House in Years. The WSJ reports the many comments that Romney made previously about not running again in 2016 like “My Time Has … Come and Gone” and “I’m Not Running.” I guess misrepresenting the truth runs in the family when you are involved with Romneycare and Obamacare. A note to Mitt, Jeb and Christy, just because you are getting high poll numbers at this point does not mean anyone wants to vote for you, it just means those taking the poll know your name.
September 2014: “My Time Has … Come and Gone”
Mitt Romney on Fox News Sunday
“There’s no question in my mind that I think I would have been a better president than Barack Obama has been…I wish it were me. But my time has come — come and gone. I had that opportunity. I ran, I didn’t win. Now it’s time for someone else to pick up the baton.”
EXIT QUESTION: JUST HOW MANY RINO’S ARE GOING TO RUN IN 2016? It may not be the worst thing in the world as they will offset each other and maybe the Republican party can actually nominate a Conservative, rather than Democrat-light.
Mitt Romney Rips Barack Obama on His Past Comments and Foreign Policy, Says Hillary Clinton & Obama are Two Peas in the Same Pod … Romney Says He Will not Run Again for President
Whether you like Mitt Romney or not, Romney was correct during the 2012 Presidential race and debates and Obama was dead wrong.
AMERICA HAS BUYER’S REMORSE … Former Massachusetts Governor and 2012 Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney appeared on FOX News Sunday and shredded Barack Obama, his lack of a foreign policy and his disastrous out of touch presidency. In retrospect, does anyone really not think that Romney would have been a better choice than Obama? During the 2012 presidential debates Obama had nothing but condescending one liners like when Romney was discussing the dwindling size of the navy, Obama mocked him by replying, “we also have fewer horses and bayonets.” Then there was the condescending Obama comments when Romney had stated that Russia was one of the biggest Geo-political threats, Obama quipped that “the 1980′s are now calling for their foreign policy back.” It makes for a good joke, but could Obama have ever been more wrong? Hey Barack … what do you think of Vladimir Putin now?
Mitt Romney also went on to say that he thinks he would have made a better president than Barack Obama; however, Romney also stated that he is not running again. Romney stated he had his chance and his time has passed. But it is obvious to many that Romney would have made a better president and that the American people have buyer’s remorse. A recent CNN poll indicated that if the 2012 presidential election was held today, Romney would defeat Obama 53% to 44%.
Romney also said that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are one in the same.
“I look for instance at her record as secretary of state. Look, her record is Barack Obama’s record in foreign policy, and it’s a disaster,” Romney said. Citing the ongoing conflagrations in the Middle East and the Ukraine and the current administration’s inaction, Romney said: “If you can’t speak decisively, you can’t be decisive. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are two peas in the same pod.”
And to the folks over at Crooks and Liars who have nothing but MEAN things to say about Romney’s appearance on FNS where all he was doing was answering the questions he was asked, Elmer Fudd would have made a better president than Barack Milhous Obama. Romney was not crying he was not elected, America is crying. Had Americans known that Obamacare was a lie, Benghazi was another lie and coverup and IRS-gate … Obama would have lost in a landslide, as he should have.
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CNN Poll Redux: If Rematch of 2012 Presidental Election Were Held Today … Mitt Romney Beats Barack Obama 53% to 44%
AMERICA’S BUYER’S REMORSE …
According to a recent CNN poll, if a 2012 presidential election rematch was held today, Mitt Romney would defeat Barack Obama 53% to 44%. It would appear the the American voters are having buyer’s remorse and if they had the opportunity to redo the 2012 presidential election, they would vote much differently. In 2012 Obama won the popular vote, 51% to 47%; however, after American voters learned of Obama’s lies with regards to Obamacare, the IRS-targeting scandals of conservative non-profit groups, a continued poor economic recovery, one Obama foreign policy disaster after another and an electorate that has grown weary of this scandal ridden, apathetic, golf playing and fund-raising President … Obama now loses to Romney, 44% to 54%.
Suppose that for some reason a presidential election were being held today and you had to choose between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. Who would you be more likely to vote for?
If a rematch of the 2012 presidential election were held today, GOP nominee Mitt Romney would top President Barack Obama in the popular vote, according to a new national survey.
But a CNN/ORC International poll also indicates that if Romney changes his mind and runs again for the White House, Hillary Clinton would best him by double digits in a hypothetical showdown.
According to the poll, if the 2012 election were somehow held again, Romney would capture 53% of the popular vote, with the President at 44%. Obama beat Romney 51%-47% in the popular vote in the 2012 contest. And he won the all-important Electoral College by a wider margin, 332 electoral votes to Romney’s 206.
Last November, an ABC News/Washington Post survey indicated that if the 2012 election were held again, Romney would have had a 49%-45% edge over Obama in the popular vote.
Nice try by CNN to add that Hillary Clinton beats Romney 55% to 42% and make the comparison that it is some how the same as the Obama-Romney redo. Leave it to the liberal media to compare apples to oranges. The Clinton/Romney poll is simply a popularity contest of a hypothetical election that will never take place. However, the Romney/Obama poll numbers are from a knowing public that has seen the Obama promises, political lies and scandals for themselves. There is nothing hypothetical about the facts that Barack Obama is a failed president, who is considered the worst president since WWII and many, if they had the chance would change their vote and never have reelected him.
File this one under, tell me something we do not already know … OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT!
According to a new Quinnipiac University poll, Americans say that Obama is the worst post-WWII president of them all. It would appear that Barack Obama is not the one that “we’ve been waiting for”, actually far from it. Just think, Obama is already at the bottom of the list and his presidency is not even over, sadly. Look for this poll number to go down even further as the US economy continues to struggle, the Middle East continues in turmoil and the scandals mount. Ronald Reagan is far and away considered the best president. What does it say when a current sitting US president is considered worse than Richard Nixon, who had to resign and leave office in disgrace because of “Watergate” before he was impeached? Had it not been for a liberal media refusing to dig deeper in to the all too numerous Obama administration scandals like a Woodward and Bernstein, Obama would have a 20% approval rating and been impeached.
Not only do Americans say that Obama is the worst post-WWII president, they also have “buyer’s remorse” as 45% of voters say that America would be better off had Mitt Romney been elected president in 2012, while 38% believe the country would be worse off. This includes independent voters 47 – 33, who wish they could get a Mulligan and have a do-over to elect Romney. Hot Air opines, “If independents have double-digit buyer’s remorse from 2012, that suggests a strong desire to make up for their earlier mistake.”
President Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, 33 percent of American voters say in a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Another 28 percent pick President George W. Bush.
Ronald Reagan is the best president since WWII, 35 percent of voters say, with 18 percent for Bill Clinton, 15 percent for John F. Kennedy and 8 percent for Obama, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Among Democrats, 34 percent say Clinton is the best president, with 18 percent each for Obama and Kennedy.
Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, 39 percent of voters say, while 40 percent say he is worse. Men say 43 – 36 percent that Obama is worse than Bush while women say 42 – 38 percent he is better. Obama is worse, Republicans say 79 – 7 percent and independent voters say 41 – 31 percent. Democrats say 78 – 4 percent that he is better.
My list of worst post WWII presidents would be as follows: 1) Barack Obama, 2) Jimmy Carter, 3) Gerald Ford, although not sure if he should even count, 4) Richard Nixon, 5) LBJ 6) Bill Clinton, 7) GWB, 8) GHWB, 9) JFK, 10) Eisenhower. Ronald Reagan and Harry S Truman would not even get a vote to be on this list.
I would actually go one further, Obama may just be the worst president since WWI. Hell, for that fact Obama is the worst president since The Revolutionary War of American Independence.
Remember When Barack Obama Ridiculed Mitt Romney During 2012 Presidential Debates about Russia … ‘1980s Are Calling to Ask for Their Foreign Policy Back’ … How Do Those “Rose Colored” Glasses Fit There Barack?
Yet another reason why you don’t elect, let alone reelect SNARK or a Campaigner is Chief …
Remember when Barack Obama made the snide, wise-a$$, ridiculing comment during the 2012 presidential debates to GOP candidate Mitt Romney regarding Russia and that the 1980′s want their foreign policy back? And everyone thought Obama was so cute making such a witty comment. So what do you think of Obama’s comments now as Russia and Vladimir Putin have invaded Ukraine. Just curious America, how’s that “Hopey-Changey” stuff working out for ya? Where is your
Moses Obamamessiah now? By the way Barack, how do those rose colored glasses fit?
Fox News’ Bret Baier opened a segment of his show Friday night by flashing back to an October 2012 presidential debate where President Obama ridiculed Republican presidential nominee Romney about his concern over Russia’s “geo-political” threat.
“You said Russia. Not Al Qaida. You said Russia,” Obama said regarding biggest threats. “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because…the cold war’s been over for 20 years.”
Mitt Romney’s intelligent, powerful and correct retort was as follows:
“Russia, I indicated, is a geopolitical foe … and I said in the same paragraph I said and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin …”
Is it any wonder why at this moment so many Americans wish that had a do-over of the 2012 presidential election and they would not vote for Barack Obama. He has been wrong and an epic failure on everything in be domestic and foreign policy. What else would you expect but snark from an individual who was completely unqualified to be president?
CNN/ORC Poll: NJ Governor Chris Christie Leads Possible 2016 GOP Contenders … Not Only is it Way too Early, Don’t Count On It Christie
A new CNN poll has New Jersey governor Chris Christie as the front-runner of possible Republican contenders for the 2016 GOP presidential nominee. For the Democrats it would appear that Hillary Clinton is already being coronated their nominee. However, for the GOP not only is this poll way too early, I would doubt that Chris Christie will be the Republican nominee unless they plan on losing another presidential election. Polls at this point are merely a popularity contest and with Christie’s recent landslide win for governor in NJ against a no-name opponent, he just happens to be the cause-celeb for today.
There is a long, long way to go and the potential winner for the GOP may not have even come forward yet. The same could be said for Democrats as well. Wasn’t Hillary Clinton the presumptive Democrat nominee winner as well before a certain novice, unprepared, 2 year US Senator from Illinois named Obama got into the race?
Who actually thinks the GOP base would vote for Christie after this?
And according to a CNN/ORC International survey, if Hillary Clinton decides against making another bid for the White House, Vice President Joe Biden would be the initial favorite to capture the Democratic nomination.
The poll, released Friday morning, indicates that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, fresh off his Garden State re-election landslide victory and widespread national media attention, jumped to the top of the pack of potential contenders for the GOP nomination.
Twenty-four percent of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP questioned in the survey say they’d be likely to support Christie for the Republican nomination, up seven percentage points from a CNN poll in early September. Back then, Christie and Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the House Budget chairman and the 2012 Republican vice presidential nominee, were virtually tied at the top of the GOP list, with Christie at 17% and Ryan at 16%.
But Ryan, who’s stayed mostly away from the political spotlight the past few months, has dropped to 11%, putting him in third place, slightly behind Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, at 13%. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who like Paul has made multiple trips this year to the states that kick off the presidential primary and caucus calendar, like Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, stands at 10% in the survey, the only other Republican White House hopeful to get double-digit support.
Sorry, but a win in New Jersey is hardly a microcosm of winning a primary in the Republican party or a national election. New Jersey is it’s own animal, much like every state is. Much of the GOP base considered Chris Christie a “Benedict Arnold” when he went overboard gushing over Barack Obama after Hurricane Sandy, sabotaging any chance Mitt Romney may have had. The GOP have run two ‘RINO’s’ in a row, the “mavericky” John McCain in 2008 and Mitt “Romneycare” Romney in 2012. Both candidates alienated the GOP base and in the end, really stood for nothing, except they ere not Obama. At what point will the establishment Republicans understand that the GOP electorate wants a candidate with substance and is not Democrat-light?
The focus this last week should have been on Obama’s shameful conduct in Benghazi. Instead, the schizophrenic Christie allowed himself to be manipulated by Obama’s camp so easily, that one has to question the reasoning for his desertion of Governor Romney. I believe the egomaniacal Christie would rather run for POTUS in 2016 than 2020. And chose to spend the last week stabbing Mitt in the back.
I understand that Christie had to ”break bread” with Obama when Obama came to tour New Jersey for disaster relief for Hurricane Sandy. We all should be fine with that. But after Obama left, Christie has continued to act ”star-struck” toward the liberal Democrat. Both men are frequent apologizers for Islam so that may also be a shared bond.
And Christie refused an invitation to attend a Sunday night rally with Mr. Romney in Pennsylvania, only 20 minutes from Trenton. You can google Benedict Arnold/Chris Christie or Traitor Chris Christie and see that the internet is abuzz with stories about how Christie the RINO has been selling out to Obama.
WAPO/ABC News Poll: Buyer’s Remourse – Mitt Romney Would Beat Barack Obama if the Presidential Election was Held Today, 49% to 45% … Poll Numbers in Free-Fall
DOES ANYONE REALLY WONDER WHY OBAMA LIED THRU HIS TEETH ON OBAMACARE AND YOU CAN KEEP YOUR INSURANCE PLAN IF YOU LIKED IT? DO YOU REALLY WONDER WHY THE MSM NEVER BOTHERED TO ASK QUESTIONS?
It is the great fraud perpetrated on the American People …
As reported at The Politico, there is more disastrous polling numbers for President Barack Obama as a recent WAPO-ABC News poll shows that if the 2012 presidential election was held today, Mitt Romney would beat Obama, 49% to 45% among registered voters. Talk about your “buyer’s remorse”. This is a much different outcome than the 2012 match-up where Obama beat Romney 51% to 47% to win a second term. My how times have changed. What a difference the truth makes. What a difference it makes when the MSM decides to actually report on the numerous scandals of the Obama White House.
Making matters worse for Obama, Independents go for Romney 49% to 39% over Obama.
The WAPO/ABC poll also has Barack Obama’s job approval rating at 42% approve, 55% disapprove.
As more bad poll numbers continue to pour in for President Barack Obama, a new survey finds that if the 2012 election matchup were held this month, Mitt Romney would hold the edge with the voters.
Romney topped Obama 49 percent to 45 percent among registered voters in the Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday. Among all Americans, the 2012 rivals would be tied, at 47 percent.
Obama beat Romney 51 percent to 47 percent a year ago to win a second term.
The poll also found more bad news for Obama: His approval was down to 42 percent, a fall of 6 points from a month ago. Fifty-five percent disapproved.
Other ratings of the president’s performance have tumbled as well. He’s at career lows for being a strong leader, understanding the problems of average Americans and being honest and trustworthy – numerically under water on each of these (a first for the latter two). His rating for strong leadership is down by 15 points this year and a vast 31 points below its peak shortly after he took office. In a new gauge, just 41 percent rate him as a good manager; 56 percent think not.
This poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds that the president’s personal image has suffered alongside his professional ratings. Fewer than half, 46 percent, see him favorably overall, down 14 points this year to the fewest of his presidency. Fifty-two percent now view him unfavorably, a new high and a majority for the first time since he took office. It may matter: Personal popularity can provide a president with cushioning when the going gets rough. Losing it leaves the president more vulnerable.
ACA – Skepticism about the Affordable Care Act looks to be the driving force in Obama’s troubles. Americans by nearly 2-1, 63-33 percent, disapprove of his handling of implementation of the new health care law. And the public by 57-40 percent now opposes the law overall, its most negative rating to date, with opposition up by 8 points in the past month alone.
RCP Average Polling – Complete carnage, almost under 40% as an average.
EXIT QUESTION: How does everyone think that the 2012 Presidential, House and Senate elections would have turned out if IRS-gate was reported on, if Benghazi-gate had been reported on, if AP-gate had been reported on and if, Barack Obama had told the truth and said that 5-10 million individuals with private healthcare plans who liked their insurance would lose it? How about if he told those with employer insurance coverage would lose theirs as well and it would be worse? Hmm?
Mitt Romney Says “Fundamental Dishonesty” Over Obamcare Is ‘Rotting it Away” and “Put in Peril” Obama’s Second Term (VIDEO)
Barack Obama, ‘The Lying King’: Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we practice to deceive …
Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Sunday on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ that President Barack Obama’s “fundamental dishonesty” over his signature health care program, Obamacare, has “put in peril the whole foundation of his second term.” Romney went on to say that Barack Obama intentionally mislead the American people on the core elements of Obamacare. Romney went on to say that time again that fundamental to his plan was the right people would have to keep their insurance plan, and he knew that was not the case.
“Perhaps the most important lesson the president, I think, failed to learn was, you have to tell the American people the truth. When he told the American people that you could keep your health insurance if you wanted to keep that plan, period (VIDEO), he said that time and again, he wasn’t telling the truth. I think that fundamental dishonesty has really put in peril the whole foundation of his second term.”
“… but the key, I think, that has really undermined the president’s credibility in the hearts of the American people is that he went out as a centerpiece of his campaign and as a centerpiece of Obamacare over the last several years saying time and time again that fundamental to his plan was the right people would have to keep their insurance plan, and he knew that was not the case. He could know it by looking at Massachusetts and seeing people there lost insurance. He could have learned those lessons and told the people the truth, but he didn’t. he told people they could keep their plan. and, you know, it was NBC News that said, look, some 6 million people are going to lose their insurance. that’s not some little number, that’s 6 million American people.”
Last year’s losing Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Sunday that President Barack Obama’s “fundamental dishonesty” on the Affordable Care Act has “put in peril the whole foundation of his second term.”
Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, Romney said Obama’s handling of Obamacare’s promises “has undermined the foundation of his second term – I think it is rotting it away.”
He added that what “has really undermined the president’s credibility in the hearts of the American people is that he went out, as a centerpiece of his campaign and as a centerpiece of Obamacare over the last several years, saying time and time again that fundamental to his plan was the right people would have to keep their insurance plan, and he knew that was not the case….”
He said “had the president been truthful and told the American people that millions would lose their insurance and millions more would see their premiums skyrocket… there would have been such a hue and cry against it, (that) it would not have passed.”
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