WHAT HAPPENED TO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE … HHS Pushes Church Talking Points For Bulletin Announcement to Promote Obamacare
IT WOULD APPEAR SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE DOES NOT APPLY TO FEDERALLY MANDATED OBAMACARE.
Just what one wants to listen to when they head off to church on a Sunday morning, an Obamacare sermon. That is possible, in an effort to sign up as many individuals as possible to Obamacare, the Obama administration has gone to incredible, extraordinary lengths to partner with churches and faith-based groups, to even publishing sample church bulletin inserts, flyers, and Obamacre “talking points.” This brought to you by the same people that rail against religion, the Christian religion that is, that might have the slightest inclusion within government. When it is about 10 Commandments in a Court House … that is Seperation of Church and State. But of course it is perfectly okay to promote a federal government mandated law in Church, complete with talking points.
Isn’t this the same crew that is currently suing the Little Sisters of the Poor, trying to force Obamacare on nuns?
In an effort to sign up as many consumers as possible for insurance under the Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare), the Obama administration has gone to extraordinary lengths to partner with churches and other faith-based groups, even publishing sample church bulletin inserts, flyers, and scripts for announcements, as well as “talking points.” These materials are part of the “Second Sunday & Faith Weekend of Action Toolkit,” which is available on the website of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
From the beginning, HHS has sought to develop partnerships with faith-based organizations to promote the Obamacare. This “toolkit” has been available since 2013. However, the details of these partnerships have largely escaped the attention of the national media. The Second Sunday & Faith Weekend of Action program encourages churches to use the second Sunday of each month during open enrollment to hold informational meetings and sign-up events. The sample bulletin insert appears as follows:
The materials also include two full pages of “talking points,” which end with an admonition to churches that “[y]ou are trusted messengers in this community. We hope you share this information with those around you so they can be connected with the care they need.”
The Affordable Care Act, Barack Obama’s signature piece of legislation has just been one lie after another …
Remember when President Barack Obama promised that Obamacare would reduce the number of expensive ER visits as access to other kinds of care was expanded? But of course this is the same signature piece of legislation where Obama promised that you could keep your own doctor, hospital and insurance plan if you liked them. Those were all lies as well. When the majority of people that are signing up for it are doing so as a form of medicaid, of course the ER is going to be used as a clinic. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that one out. But of course Obama was going to lie through his teeth to the American people to get Obamacare passed, as Jonathan Gruber said, they had all considered the stupidity of the American voter to be key.
With the healthcare expansion last year, many are watching how the Affordable Care Act affects emergency room use.
President Obama has promised his signature health law will gradually reduce expensive ER visits as access to other kinds of care is expanded. Critics contend newly insured patients — especially those enrolled in Medi-Cal, the state’s low-income health program that picks up most patient costs — aren’t likely to seek care elsewhere, and will overwhelm emergency rooms.
Neither of those outcomes were clearly evident in the first months of the new healthcare system’s operation in Los Angeles County, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis.
Data hospitals report to the state show that as insurance coverage was extended to hundreds of thousands of residents, ER visits for ailments not serious enough to require an admission grew 3.9% in the county in the first half of 2014, compared with the same period the previous year. The growth is in line with annual increases of 3% to 5% in the three years prior to the federal healthcare overhaul.
- If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
- “Affordable” Care. Obamacare Will Make Health Insurance More Affordable, even the president’s ideological cronies acknowledge that the Affordable Care Act is far from inexpensive for most Americans and that it “risks being a cruel joke.”
- It will prevent people from going into debt.
- ObamaCare will lower costs overall.
- Congress Meant for Subsidies to Flow Through State-based and Federal Exchanges
- More Americans will be insured.
- The Individual Mandate ‘Is Absolutely Not a Tax Increase’
GRUBERGATE: Barack Obama Adviser Jonathan Gruber Said Back in 2009, Obamacare Will Not Be Affordable
GRUBERGATE: HE’S BACK … GRUBER SAID IN 2009 THAT THE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACT WOULD NOT BE AFFORDABLE.
Imagine that, once of the chief architects of Obamacare, the Affordable Healthcare Act, said back in 2009 that it would not be affordable. Newly revealed Johnathan Gruber documents keep the unpopular signature piece of legislation by Barack Obama at the forefront of political discussion as 2015 will be much like 2014 for Democrats, running for cover and away from Obamacare. Johnathan Gruber is like the gift that keeps on giving. The docs reveal that Gruber questioned the affordability. Gruber said, “So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.”
American voters are stupid and Obamacare will not be affordable
President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber said that the Affordable Care Act would definitely not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House.
As Gruber continues to withhold documents while he awaits a call-back for more testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the new year, more shocking information is coming to light detailing the deceptions that went into the writing of the health-care law
Gruber said that Obamacare had no cost controls in it and would not be affordable in an October 2009 policy brief, presented here exclusively by TheDC. At the time, Gruber had already personally counseled Obama in the Oval Office and served on Obama’s presidential transition team. Obama, meanwhile, told the American people that their premiums would go down dramatically.
Gruber goes on to admit that there were NO cost controls initially in Obamacare, that they would deceptively get people hooked on faux coverage, then pull the rug out from underneath them by rationing care:
“So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.”
At the same time, Obama was lying to Americans, telling us that annual premium costs would decline by an average of $2,500 per family, a number that was apparently pulled out of thin air.
Gruber then admits that, under Obamacare, the only way for the scheme to work will be by rationing care:
“There’s no reason the American health care system can’t be, ‘You can have whatever you want, you just have to pay for it.’ That’s what we do in other walks of life. We don’t say everyone has to have a large screen TV. If you want a large screen TV, you have to pay for it. Basically the notion would be to move to a level where everyone has a solid basic insurance level of coverage. Above that people pay their own, without tax-subsidized dollars, to buy a higher level of coverage.”
Johnathan Gruber Apologizes … Rep. Trey Gowdy Grills Gruber: Did You Apologize Because You Said It Or Meant It?
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GROUPER GRUBER …
Following Jonathan Gruber’s apology yesterday for his mean and insulting Obamacare comments during the during the House Oversight Committee, Gruber was grilled, baked and fried by House members on both sides of the aisle. Gruber apologized for his glib comments and used the defense during the hearings that he was not a politician. Of course Jonathan Gruber never thought his comments were inappropriate until the video came out. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) grilled Gruber and said the following, “The pervasiveness of your quotes is so much that it has to be more than that. It has to be more than an episodic mistake that you made… What did you mean when you said you wish that you had been able to be transparent, but you’d rather have the law than not?… Did you apologize because you said it or meant it?”
How comical is it that they are now trying to make MIT economist Jonathan Gruber look like Sgt. Schultz, I know nothing.
Below is Johnathan Gruber’s lame attempt at an apology for his plethera of “stupid” comments. Gruber apologized for making “uninformed and glib comments” about the political process behind health care reform and used the defense he was not a politician. HUH? Now one of the architects of Obamacare is claiming he is not an expert and is using the Sgt. Schultz defense … He knows nothing.
“I would like to begin by apologizing sincerely for the offending comments that I made,” Gruber said in prepared remarks before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
He said in some cases he made “glib comments” about the process, and said his tone implied he’s an expert on healthcare, “which is wrong.” Gruber acknowledged his “insulting and mean comments” were uncalled for.
“I sincerely apologize for conjecturing with a tone of expertise and for doing so in such a disparaging fashion,” he said. “It is never appropriate to try to make oneself seem more important or smarter by demeaning others. I knew better. I know better. I am embarrassed, and I am sorry.”
Ask and You Shall Receive … Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Said Back in 2013, “Unelect” Me If You Don’t Like ObamaCare
HEY MARY, DON’T ASK FOR THINGS, THEY MIGHT COME TRUE …
Back on 2013, Sen. Mary Landrieu said the following about Obamacare and how to deal with it if you don’t like it, “We did not wake up one morning and declare this the law.” Um, actually you did. Landrieu went on the say, “the people of the United States declared this through us as their representatives. Then came the money line that Mary Landrieu may want to take back, ”And if they don’t like this they can unelected us. Believe me they will have the chance because I am up for reelection right now.” OK, YOU’RE GONE!!!
The good people of Louisiana took her advice and threw her out of office in a big way. Mary Landrieu lost by 12% to Republican Bill Cassidy in yesterday’s special Senate runoff election. As The Gateway Pundit reminds us, other states did the same thing as 29 of the 58 Democrat/2 Independents Senators who voted for Obamacare in 2009 are no longer in office. Following the 2014 midterm elections the GOP now controls the US Senate, 54-46 after gaining a net 9 seats.
UPDATE I: Don’t feel alone former Sen. Landrieu, exactly half of the 60 senators who voted for Obama’s health-care overhaul on Christmas Eve 2009 will not be in the Senate in January.
Nineteen of them retired or resigned, eight were defeated for re-election, and three died in office. In her concession speech Saturday night, Landrieu said that she and others “fought a good fight, and it’s not over yet, for health care” and that she was “glad we fought for it.” She didn’t specifically mention Obamacare.
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) Says Dems Screwed Up Passing Obamacare … “Democrats Blew the Opportunity the American People Gave Them” in 2008 and “Put All of Our Focus on the Wrong Problem”
ISN’T THIS INTERESTING, DEMOCRAT CHUCKY SCHUMER SAYS THAT DEMOCRATS SCREWED UP PASSING OBAMACARE …
Speaking Tuesday at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, New York Democrat Sen. Charles Schumer had an epiphany and stated that “Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them” after the 2008 election. Schumer went on to say that, “We took their mandate and put all of our focus on the wrong problem, health care reform.” Gee, ya think? Sen. Schumer was one of the 60 Democrat senators who passed Obamacare, with not one GOP vote, and forced the unpopular law down the throats of Americans. Now suddenly because as we predicted back then, it would be their undoing, Schumer has misgivings that Democrats focused on it first and did not focus on what Americans were dealing with on a day to day basis, a poor economy and unemployment. Schumer told those in attendance “that considering 85% of all Americans got their health care from either the government, Medicare, Medicaid, or their employer … we would still only be talking about only 5% of the electorate.” Wasn’t that the same argument that those opposed to Obamacare were making in 2009? Why blow up the healthcare system in the United States for only 5% of the people? This is a kin to demolishing a house because the back porch needs repair. Not only did Democrats not listen to the people, the law they forced upon them was nothing more than a lie.
Democrats made a strategic mistake by passing the Affordable Care Act, Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking member of the Senate Democratic leadership, said Tuesday.
Schumer says Democrats “blew the opportunity the American people gave them” in the 2008 elections, a Democratic landslide, by focusing on healthcare reform instead of legislation to boost the middle class.
But why is Sen. Schumer talking about the Democrats disastrous decision to pass Obamacare now, is it because they have buyer’s remorse and care about the American people? Not at all, it is because they have taken a political shellacking in 2010 and 2014 and now find themselves in the minority in the House and the Senate. It all has to do with power, not the people. Honestly, who in their right mind thought that an unpopular bill that adversely affected so many people to only benefit a few would not have ramifications? If Democrats could not see that, then they deserve what they got.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): After passing the stimulus, Democrats should have continued to propose middle-class oriented programs and built on the partial success of the stimulus. But unfortunately, Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them. We took their mandate and put all of our focus on the wrong problem — health care reform. Now the plight of uninsured Americans and the hardships caused by unfair insurance company practices certainly needed to be addressed, but it was not the change we were hired to make. Americans were crying out for the end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs, not changes in health care.
This makes sense, considering 85% of all Americans got their health care from either the government, Medicare, Medicaid, or their employer. And if health care costs were going up, it really did not affect them. The Affordable Care Act was aimed at the 36 million Americans who were not covered. It has been reported that only a third of the uninsured are even registered to vote. In 2010 only about 40% of those registered voting. So even if the uninsured kept with the rate, which they likely did not, we would still only be talking about only 5% of the electorate.
To aim a huge change in mandate at such a small percentage of the electorate made no political sense. So when Democrats focused on health care, the average middle-class person thought the Democrats are not paying enough attention to me. Again, our health care system was riddled with unfairness and inefficiency. It was a problem desperately in need of fixing. The changes that were made are and will continue to be positive changes, but we would have been better able to address it if Democrats had first proposed and passed bold programs aimed at a broader swath of the middle class.
Had we started more broadly, the middle class would have been more receptive to the idea that President Obama wanted to help them. The initial faith they placed in him would have been rewarded. They would have held a more pro-government view and would have given him the permission structure to build a more pro-government coalition. Then Democrats would have been in a better position to tackle our nation’s healthcare crisis.
Healthcare, it wasn’t at the top of the agenda for middle class people …
“We should have done it, we just should not have done it first”. People were hurting and said, what about me, I am losing my job. It’s not health care that is bothering me.”
EXIT QUESTION: So why is Sen. Charles Schumer making these comments about Obamacare? Maybe because Schumer does not want to be the next on the list of 29 Democrat Senators who are no longer in the US Senate who voted for Obamacare.
GRUBERGATE: Sen. John Kerry (MA-D) from 2010 Senate Finance Comittee Healthcare Markup Meeting, “According to Gruber, Who has Been Our Guide on A Lot of This…”
GRUBERGATE CONTINUES …
Who, Jonathan Gruber?
Yup, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber is just some adviser who never worked on Barack Obama’s staff. As it turns out Gruber was like the Julie McCoy, the Democrats cruise ship director of Obamacare. Senator John Kerry (C-MA) in 2010 states that Gruber has been “our guide on a lot of this” referring to cost analysis scoring of Obamacare. Gee John, why such the long face?
Gallup Poll: In Wake of the 2014 Elections Obamacare Hits an All-Time Low at 37% Approval, 56% Disapprove … Grubergate Not Really Reflected Yet in Poll
Remember when Barack Obama said prior to the midterm 2014 elections that all of his policies were on the ballot (VIDEO) and Obama even reminded voters that Democrats looking to distance themselves voted with him.
Obamacare is as unpopular as it ever was. Since Barack Obama’s policies were on the 2014 midterm ballot, I think we can understand why the Democrats took such a butt kicking on November 4th. According to the most recent Gallup poll, Barack Obama’s signature piece of legislation is at an all-time low of 37% approval and 56% disapproval. Eight percent of Republicans approve of Obamacare, while only 33% of Independents approve as well. Meanwhile, 74% of Democrats approve of the ACA, hmm, could these folks be who Jonathan Gruber was speaking of?
As the Affordable Care Act’s second open enrollment period begins, 37% of Americans say they approve of the law, one percentage point below the previous low in January. Fifty-six percent disapprove, the high in disapproval by one point.
The current 37% reading comes on the heels of last week’s midterm elections, in which Republicans won full control of both houses of Congress. Already, party leaders are discussing efforts to repeal the unpopular law.
Repeal is highly unlikely, given Obama’s veto power, but the law’s new low in approval — and new high in disapproval (56%) — could potentially have an impact on its future. The president himself has acknowledged he will consider modifications to the law, which could include repealing the tax on medical devices.
Even more bad news for Obamacare. The Gallup poll was conducted Nov.6-9 and surveyed 828 adults. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. This means that the poll was taken prior to the VIDEOS coming out of Jonathan Gruber stating that Americans were mislead and exploited. Also, prior to the new enrollment period of Obamacare where the premiums in many states have skyrocketed.
GRUBERGATE:The Liar in Chief President Obama Says Regarding Gruber’s Remarks, “No, We Did Not Mislead to Get Obamacare Passed”
GRUBERGATE … THE GREAT OBAMACARE HOAX, LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES.
Yesterday in Brisbain, Australia Barack Obama finally was asked the question, did you misled the American people with regards to Obamacare. Wouldn’t it have been amazing id he said, YES, you caught me. But, in typical Obama fashion, he denied the allegation and then went off on a tangent explaining away the accusation and never really providing any valid facts to support his denial. All you have done in your six years in office is mislead the American people. President Obama, you have already lied about you can keep your insurance plan and doctor, if you like them … why wouldn’t we think you lied about everything else to pass Obamacare?
Ed Henry – Fox News: At you Burma town hall a couple of days ago you tried to inspire young leaders by saying governments need to be held accountable and be responsive to the people. I wonder how you square that with your former adviser Jonathan Gruber claiming that you were not transparent about the health law, because in his words, ‘the American people, the voters, were stupid’ (VIDEO). Did you mislead Americans about the taxes, about keeping your plan, to get the bill passed?
Barack Obama: No. I did not. I just heard about this. I get well briefed before I come out here. The fact that some adviser, who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion, that I completely disagree with, in terms of the voters, is no reflection of the process that was run. We had a year long debate Ed. Go back and look at your stories. The one thing we cannot say is that we did not have a lengthy about health care in the United States of America. Or that it was not adequately covered. I would just advise every press outlet here to go back and pull up every clip, every story, and I think it is fair to say that there was not a provision in the health care law that was not extensively debated and fully transparent.
First, Obama just heard about this? You mean he can’t remember one of the many meetings with Jonathan Gruber in the White House? Good grief, Obama is using that tired response of he just learned about the issue from the news? Where have we heard that before, maybe in the following VIDEO.
Second, Just curious, does it make an adviser less credible if he did not work directly on Obama’s staff? There are these people called consultants Barack. Who would actually believe that the architect of Obamacare, also the architect of Romneycare, would actually work directly for the President? This sounds an awful lot like the Cheers episode when Cliff was on Jeopardy answering the final Jeopardy question … “who are three people who have never been in my kitchen.”
Third, read the following quote from Obama, “The fact that some adviser, who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion, that I completely disagree with, in terms of the voters, …” All Obama disagrees with is Gruber’s remark that the American voters are stupid. Obama is not saying that he disagrees with the rest of the misleading comments.
Fourth, Barack Obama claimed that the health care debate was extensive, adequately covered and transparent. Hmm really? So why did Nancy Pelosi famously say, “We Have to Pass Our Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It.”
Fifth, President Obama, do you really want everyone going back and taking a look at every clip and news account? Look what happened so far by those on the right and bloggers.
Sixth, fully transparent? The Obamacare you can keep your plan if you like it was already awarded the 2013 Politifact lie of the Year. It would appear you are looking to win the award two years in a row. As Jonathan Gruber said, “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.”
Seventh, no asked the question whether Obamacare was extensively debated. However, what good is a debate when the premise is based on a lie that is being discussed?
On a completely different lie, check out the 2:20 mark of the Obama VIDEO where miraculously Obama comes up with all of these stats for the Healthcare.gov web site now that it is not crashing all the time. Remember last year when Obama minions were asked for the same type of data and we were told they did not have access to it.
Yeah Mr. President, Obamacare is working … that is why the majority of Americans have not even been affected by it because you delayed it.
Posted November 17, 2014 by Scared Monkeys
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CBS Face the Nation Host Bob Schieffer Dumb Struck by Obamacare Adviser Jonathan Gruber’s Comments … “I Am Not Wild About the New Plan and How It Became Law Either”
I wonder who was more “dumb struck” this Sunday morning, CBS Bob Shiefer or the public watching CBS and hearing for the first hearing Jonathan Gruber’s name and that an Obamacare adviser called them stupid?
This Sunday on CBS ‘Face the Nation,’ Bob Shieffer provided an editorial that was interesting on a couple of levels. First, how many time do news viewers hear an editorial that is breaking news? CBS News has not covered this story, unless you count the 13 seconds on The Eye Opener. Second, we learned that Shieffer, a lib, is not a fan of Obamacare, nor how the plan became law. However, Bob does need a little learning to have a couple of his questions answered. Mr. Schieffer, Gruber does not think the plan was bad. In fact, he likes it. He, like Barack Obama, knew that the truth of Obamacare would never pass, that is why they lied to the American people. But the ends justify the means and lying to “We the People” is fine in their book.
I was dumbstruck when I heard the comments surfacing from and economist named Jonathan Gruber who was paid $400,000 to help shape the presidents health care plan. First, he told us how the plan passed only because a lack of transparency and this is a direct quote, ‘the stupidity of the American people’. [...] I’ll be honest, while I favor health insurance, I am not wild about the new plan and how it became law either. Here is my question for Mr. Gruber, if all this was as bad as you say, why did you take the money you earned as an adviser? Nor is it to late to give it back. What we have here is another example of the sorry state of American politics where people take money for things in which they don’t believe and whether it is good for the America people is not even a question.
No, what we have here is a sorry state of American politics where we have a President of the United States who perpetrated the greatest hoax on the American people and a complicit media who cared Obama’s water by never asking any questions about a health care plan that many knew was a lie. Let’s get some facts correct, the “stupidity of the American people” that Gruber is referring to is Obamacare supporters, not Conservatives and Republicans. Take a look at the Obamacare polls from the outset at RCP, it has always been widely opposed.
A government, no matter what party is in office, is supposed to be questioned by an unbiased media. The Press is supposed to protect us from an out of control government, not be their propaganda machine. However, today’s MSM has no concept why the US Constitution provided Freedom of the Press.
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments.
Posted November 16, 2014 by Scared Monkeys
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