RSSARUBA … DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS … “Justice for Natalee” Protest and Reminder to Aruba at the Houston Travel Show
ARUBA … DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS!!!
They have been to New York City twice, Boston twice, New Orleans, 
Valley Forge, PA, Miami, St Charles, MO, and now Houston, TX. Do we need to remind you Aruba, Don’t mess with Texas. Congratulations to the people who helped reminds potential travelers that Aruba has provided no answers or “Justice for Natalee”. The mission continues by those individuals who demand the truth and justice for missing Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway.
It seems that Aruba truly does not have a comprehension of free speech. No wonder people are afraid to come forward to tell what they know regarding Natalee. However, Aruba … you are not in Kansas anymore. Welcome to America … The home of the free and the land of the brave.
I found out later from the convention coordinator that the Arubans complained incessantly about us and even confiscated one man’s tote (yes, they really had the audacity to do that)! He also told me that the Arubans seemed to have trouble understanding that nobody could turn us away as long as we did what we were told. I guess Arubans really don’t understand free speech as we know it.
The following the the words from one of those individuals, Dan in TX, that took the time to help provide, Justice for Natalee”. Kudos to all … a job well done. Don’t forget to listen tonight to the Dana Pretzer show as more accounts will be provided from the Houston Travel Show protest.
“What?! That girl’s still missing?”
Of all the countless positive, supportive comments that I heard that whole day, that one genuinely shocked exclamation stands out in my mind. But we found out one thing again and again and again throughout the day: Houston, Texas loves Natalee. Before the protest even started, a retired HPD detective saw my boycott tee-shirt and expressed his support for the boycott as I waited for the others to arrive.
Two wonderfully dedicated, savvy, intelligent people named Vicki and Richard have been organizing or helping to organize small protests at any travel and tourism show that the Aruba Tourism Association has a booth at for the last 18 months. They’ve been in New York City, Boston, Miami, and New Orleans in the past. This weekend, the ATA is at the Houston Travel and Adventure Show. So are we.
There’s not many of us- only eight- but that was enough. We took up positions outside the convention center in small groups, signs and pamphlets in hand. None of us have ever done this before, but those who had gave us a lot of good advice: do exactly what the police liaison tells you do, be friendly and polite, keep a pamphlet in hand at all times, and don’t be afraid- you’re here for Natalee and her family. Oh, and there may be news crews showing up to interview the event coordinator. That would be me.
Great. I am not at all photogenic.
I’ve never met any of them before, but I had a great team of protesters.
Laura drove all the way from Dallas to be there. Molly brought her whole family to help, not to mention a picnic lunch, too. Lynn and his wife Ellie are old enough to be my grandparents, but they were there, ready to fight the good fight right along with us.
It took me all of about ten minutes to realize that this was going to be easier than I thought, because people are incredibly supportive. Between 11 am and 4 pm we handed out each and every one of seven hundred pamphlets and over a hundred totes that we had. At the end of the day, all we had left was one stack of our ‘backup’ flyers and one stack of business cards. The only negative comment we heard all day was from a man who obviously knew nothing about the case. Hundreds to one are odds I’ll take any day.
The support truly was amazing. It crossed gender lines, generations, and races. For those of you who think that Natalee would not have the attention she did if she were a minority, well, you’re dead wrong. Half the people who stopped to talk to us and offered their support were African-American. We didn’t expect to talk to men the size of pro linebackers about Natalee and hear that depth of genuine concern, but we did. A rickshaw driver (yes, they have those downtown) stopped by and offered his help displaying boycott advertising on the back of his rikshaw. We could not keep pamphlets in our hands. We gave our few precious totes only to those who had the deepest sympathy for Natalee or who were willing to take a tote past the Aruba booth, and we still ran out. Other people were more than willing to drop by and tell the Arubans how they felt. One lady took a bag in to show them, then decided to keep the bag and hang it in the window of her shop in Houston.
I found out later from the convention coordinator that the Arubans complained incessantly about us and even confiscated one man’s tote (yes, they really had the audacity to do that)! He also told me that the Arubans seemed to have trouble understanding that nobody could turn us away as long as we did what we were told. I guess Arubans really don’t understand free speech as we know it. I don’t want to say ‘banana republic, but….I wonder. Sadly, none of the Arubans were willing to
come out to talk to us, but they were easy to spot: they were the ones who emerged from the exhibition hall with their hands over their name tags, who never looked our way and hugged the far wall. An American travel agent working with them came out and talked with us and took our photo for whatever reason, but the rest didn’t seem too keen to meet us. Before we left I asked the event coordinator to tell the Arubans that it wasn’t personal; they are doing their job, we are doing ours. I don’t know if he did pass that along, but it was the truth. Like I told many people throughout the day, “the Aruban government hasn’t left us with any other option. They’ve had three years to solve the case. They had ample time to rectify mistakes instead of making excuses and hiring spin doctors. It’s the MEP’s fault that we are where we are today” When one man replied, “Well, they need a new government down there” I couldn’t help but grin. Americans get it, Arubans don’t.
Unfortunately the news crews didn’t drop by, but being able to throw our supply boxes away, totally empty, was worth it. We didn’t need fifty people at the protest. We didn’t need fancy signs or media coverage. We left at the end of the day knowing we did our best to help one family in desperate need of justice, and hundreds of pamphlets with a dozen websites listed were in the hands of people who just may decide to help as well someday. We checked the streets and peeked into the trash cans: not a discarded boycott pamphlet to be seen. My personal opinion is, if we kept Aruba from getting one day’s worth of normal bookings, it was worth it.
Dan in Texas
March 30, 2008
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“A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two men can stand back-to-back and conquer. ”
Ecclesiastes 4:12 NLT
or 8 protestors back-to-back!! good job.
its over guys….
a waste of time…
do something positive with your time….
of whole usa 8 people, not much…
INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY……NO PROVES.
NO BODY -NO CRIME…
DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS…?
you should protest against, simpson,micheal jackson and thousands more free criminals
walking free…just because they have money or are famous,means power…
ARUBA IS FULL OF TOURISTS ,NORTH AMERICANS, SOUTH AMERICANS, EUROPEANS, ECT. NOT ONLY ENJOYING VACATION, BUT INVESTING, BUYING PROPERTIES, IN LITTLE SUNNY EUROPE…..
(klaasend)
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SM: Not quite over. I assume you can read Dutch
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/society/artikel/asp/artnr/199996/
What does the above article say ??? I can not read ditch But the article looks interesting
What has the urin8er been up to ???
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SM: Beth is taking the entire Sloot family and the Kalpoes to court in the NL:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg370419#msg370419
Appreciate the report Dan, but I do need to remind you, Kansas IS still part of the USA and not only that, we are the center of the USA!
as far as charly rat: plenty of proof but no one in Aruba willing to take a look. Two confessions right out of the mouth of the perp! You preach innocent until proven guilty and then want to show OJ and MJ as poster children for criminals. Ha! At least they both went to trial. It wasn’t our Courts that turned them loose but rather a jury of lay people. Neither of them confessed twice.
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SM: UMM… Katablog … it was a reference to the Wizard of OZ. Nothing against Kansas.
RED
THANK YOU ALL…you too Klaas for putting this here…I am so proud to be a MONKEY….KUDOS to ALL who went and was a voice for Natalee…It means so much to me.Plan on going to the one in WASHINGTON DC IN JUNE. The 21-24th…email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com….ITS GREAT TO BE AN AMERICAN….
I’m glad it went well in my old hometown. If Joran and the pimps had tried to pull that stuff in Houston, they’d be history. He may be a tough customer in Aruba, but in Texas he is a sissy. Someone who picks on a girl.
Let there be no mistake…It was NOT a waste of time…charly…you, I assume, are on the payroll from Aruba somehow…You misunderstand American will and empathy…You underestimate our culture, our government, way of life and our stamina to bring about justice…How much did they pay you to post this message? You are tainted and we all know it.. you are the one who waisted your time here…I hope you get a summons too…just to find out who paid you so Beth can get to the bottom of all the disinformation…right? Scum…usually associated with lowlife..if the moniker fits wear it…
you know charley, my first instict was to rip into you aka monkey style, but im not, im going to tell you about Tracy, my sisters youngest son..Tracy was the happiest preemie baby…only 5 lbs….he was almost the most adventuresome kid on the block…spring break 1980, Tracy graduated from high school..he and his buddies were riding around town, stone sober…Tracy was in the back of the pickup with two others…the truck hit some water and Tracy fell out…he was killed instantly….100 kids came to his funeral…we had him cremated and a large picture of him was put in the church…each friend put a shiney new fishing lure near his picture….we played his favorite song…there wasnt a dry eye in the place….now you may think, well thats been a long time ago…let it go…no every year my sister and i get together and have a laugh about something Tracy did or said….Natalees family loved her too, and they will never forget her….dont tell US to forget….ROCK ON TRACY ROCK ON NATALEE
#2 Please tell Mr. Charles Croes – Fast Phones Aruba to go away!!!!
YOU GO BETH…YES….Im so glad…I hope she wins millions….
Way to go guys! Great job! Don’t mess with Texas!
Now, if they would just come to Alabama!
#3 Buster…..i copy/paste it to Babelfish translator page….this is what I get. it’s still a little hard to follow but you can get most of it.
‘ mother Natalee summons family of of the ditch ‘ Thursday 3 April 2008 08.53 Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway, has summoned the complete family of Joran of of the ditch. Also peter R. freezes and Patrick of the Eem must do their tale at the judge under ede. Beth Twitty drag Joran of of the ditch and its family befor the judge that the telegraph communicates. Joran and parents must befor the judge appear and under ede to be heard concerning their role in the disappearance of Holloway. Shock The intimations determine part of a range writs of execution, with which the fight of Twitty has started now officially. She claims strong damageses of Joran, a genoegdoening for the ` shockschade those Joran her has caused. Its lawyers, slab Moszkovwicz and Rogier Schmidt, have all people concerned, who also peter R. freezes and Patrick of of the Eem, summoned. With interrogate Twitty under ede want gather the proof that necessary is conduct for the civil process against of of the ditch. Psychiatrist Joran of of the ditch have put themselves under treatment at a psychiatric institution, according to the newspaper. With that he wants withdraw itself to its verhoor. Concerning the mysterious disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the consents of Joran of of the ditch in the file read everything
Bravo!!!!! So proud of you guys, wonderful job. It made all of you feel so-so good! A complete success.
Very thoughtful of Molly to bring a picnic lunch. That was a very kind thing to do.
Scared Monkeys….another great article…thanks!
Mark P., I think that you need to get a life. How are Julia and Angela these days?
Hey Charles Ratcliff, we haven’t heard from Moomba Mark lately. I guess he’s pretty busy with all of that Colombian money just rolling.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
I am so proud of the monkeys in Houston. Boycott Aruba.
Don’t Mess with Texas…Way to go…you are all stellar. Looks like a great job done and your mission to educate possible travelers to Aruba of what happened to Natalee Holloway is working great.
Vicki, sell those totes. I want to get some to take on vacation…it gets people asking questions.
You guys are the roots of this boycott. Get em.
Go you guys…..give the Sloot’s and the Kalpoe’s what they deserve….been a long time waiting….but some form of justice needs to be served and here it comes….100% + support for Beth and her lawyers.
The Sloot’s are very aware of Joran’s actions and behavioral pattern and they chose to do nothing about it except cover-up. The grief they have caused will never be forgiven. You think Paulus was sweating before, he’s going to need a beach towel for two.
Heartfelt congratulations, Dan in Texas and all those who took the time and made the effort to stand up for Natalee. I’m certain that you found it to be a rewarding and invigorating experience.
Only a “rich white girl”? To hell with that nonsense … an American citizen disappeared overseas and the government there aided and abetted a cover-up to protect its own.
Our politicians, businesses, and moneyed interests won’t speak up. But WE will.
We the people.
And there is going to be a reckoning.
It’s not much that we’re asking people to do, after all. The first, most effective, and simplest step … don’t go to Aruba.
Boycott Aruba. (Beth originally urged that people avoid all the Netherlands Antilles, and I agree totally, but the focus here is on Aruba.)
No justice for Natalee … no tourism for Aruba.
Another great accomplishment. The people who showed up in Houston deserve their laurels.
Now we have a few months to rest, plan, prepare, and rekindle our enthusiasm and dedication.
On to Washington, D.C. We’ll show even our politicians that, as Ma Joad says at the end of “The Grapes of Wrath” …
“We just keep going on and on, for we’re the American people.”
I think goodtime charley has the blues
loves and craves attention like his pal joral.. we shouldnt give it to him put him on iggy.. means on ignore.. poof!!
Charly…you don’t make a whole lot of sense to me, so you need to go to another site where people care about what you have to say!!!
People, I am going to the islands soon (not Aruba) and I have made little bracelets that say “justice for Natalee” that we are planning to wear. I’ll let you guys know of any feedback that I might get, and I do hope people ask. I have been following this travesty from the beginning and I will surely give everyone who asks an earful.
I MEANT THE JURINEATOR
The title awarded to Beth by the evil Joran, “the f—–g mother” has never been worn more proudly. Way to go Beth. Gretawire bloggers states Joran is now in a mental hospital to avoid questioning re the lawsuit Beth has brought. Hope Beth gets every penny off the Van der Sloots, but poking a stick in their collective eyes is even more satisfying! Hey, Charley? The fat lady is gonna’ sing!!!
Hi Glenda, You need to call Anita and tell her that her little sporter is gambling online again. He’s just so delicious.
Hi Scubajap,
Would you mind picking Jason up from school? He wants to watch Valentjin and Jasper play beach tennis. Give my best to Mark, MIP6. Moomba, and Charlie. Hugs and kisses.
Hi Glenda,
Don’t worry if newspaper sales are down right now. Sweetie, you will soon have lots to right about with all of the Colombians flocking to your island.
Hi Glenda,
Scubajap tells me that her friend Rob Smith would just love to receive a tote for his birthday. Maybe if we’re nice to those Monkeys we might get one too.
I hope that and Pray
Beth and Dave get their due ..
. JUSTICE..
and I realy hope and pray that the publicity of that court proceeding in holland reachs worldwide So that there will be more public awareness of that ONE CRAPPY ISLAND an island that offered no proptection to natalie whom was traveling there.
And yes #6 David R
I agree with you 100% that joran is a sissy… he is a bully on his island… the leader of the pact among his wanna be thug friends.. if he came to the united states …. he wouldnt last and once confronted in the bully manner he confronts others.. he will … break and cry like a baby.. his attitudes comes from a false sense of security that his father and mother give to him… by covering all his wrong doings…so much enabling… there are certain boundaries parents should have with their children and the lack of… in this situation was a result of a young american girl murdered…they were well aware long ago that he had issues and something was very wrong with his behaviour.he wasnt right in the head… they chose to let it slide…. they catered to his fits of anger and gave him his way… and now they will pay… there will be no peace of mind for them…
most of the world knows what a horrible thing joran did and worse than that his fathers role in this whole thing…life for them as it once was is over… the rest of the world will know what they realy are all about.. they cant fool everyone..eventualy the truth comes to light…. those tapes he confessed on and beths book in dutch will bring more awareness in that country…
I pray for JUSTICE FOR NATALIE….
Aruba is under the scope and the lack of giving justice to the parents of a murdered american girl..will be their biggest down fall financialy ..my opinion is that . they should remove everyone from that judicial system they have… since most are friends or related in some way… BIGGTIME CONFLICT OF INTEREST …
they broke all rules crossed over major boundaries… if they had no boundaries .. shame on them… corrupt corrupt.. what is there for anita to be proud of …. like I said before Jorans accomplished nothing… bearly went to school… like father like son.. he wants to make daddy proud by presenting like a criminal… but he doesnt have what it takes to be a criminal.. criminals dont run at the mouth all the time.. and whine… poor me poor me..
CHARLEY: shouldn’t you be on a tuna can ? i doubt you even know where aruba is.
Excellent!
Didn’t Straaten say you can go to prison or a mental institution almost 3 yrs ago…and none of that ever happened…so now he is hiding in the cuckoo house….you can’t cure a sociopath…
Paulus contributed to Joran’s behavior and so did Posner….you knew Joran was illegal but yet you supported him and allowed him to do whatever he wanted…drinking underage, gambling underage…bailing him out every time he got into trouble….
To #28 – Isn’t Scubajab Rosalie Klein (ex of Jethro)? Did you write tote or toke?
Do you think Anita will wear her see-thru blouse and expose her underwear when in court?
Dear Scubajet,
I am just sooo upset. I hear that Anita’s delicious little sporter might not get his house in Spain. Mr. Taco says that Mr. Higher Powers wants to slit Jordy’s vocal chords and stuff those size 14s right up his a$$. Poor Anita. Urine complains every day that he hates his new sleep away camp. There aren’t any tourists to prey on. The last I heard, Paulass says that it’s time for some tough love and Urine must pay for his own poker debts, but hopefully Mr. Taco’s friends will increase Jordy’s allowance. What’s a mother to do?? And to make matters worse, Daury now wants 4,000 instead of 2,000 because life on the run is getting expensive. Poor, poor Anita.
Love Glenda
Dear Glenda, Anita and Paulass have given him everything and they have taught him everything they know. Look at the thanks they get. That’s a very prestigeous sleep away camp where he will have the opportunity to meet all the right children.
Love, Arubajet
#33
Now Melissa, you know that I am just one toke over the line.
Sorry Melissa, I meant one tote over the line
Well, this is the article you have been waiting for :
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html?p=4,1
THE WHOLE VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY IS BEING SUED IN COURT
Dear Arubajet,
I was supposed to have house guests. I was expecting James, Roger, Donald, Randolph, and Rebecca for dinner, but now they’ve been detained. Would you and Charles Radcliffe like to stop by instead?
Love, Glenda
tell, us the just of that article, please
it would be awesome if we could be there for the trial..when the Saints go marching in
Oh Glenda, I just know how disappointed you are that the National Century people aren’t coming. CharlieRat and I would love to have dinner with you. Can we bring Anita and Paulass? Charlie says he thinks he might be able to get a Natalee tote from Moomba Mark. I just know a tote will make you feel so much better.
Love, Arubajet
Always 1
tell, us the just of that article, please
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Well, it’s just sooo stressful. The National Century people were supposed to sneak out of the US and have dinner with me tonight. Rebecca blew the whole thing wide open because she didn’t appear in court at Carefree, Arizona. She is sooo stupid. Shango sent the FBI a letter about how they were planning to run away to One Crappy Island. Anyway, they were all arrested and my dinner plans are ruined.
Bravo Houston monkeys!
Aruba slapped Beth and Dave in the face with their lies. Then they slapped Americans in the face with their lies. We’re just doing a little slappin’ back.
Glad to hear that Beth might finally get the Sloots under oath. She’s an inspiration to all those who have the courage to stand up for the truth, no matter how many times they get smacked down.
Go to the link Klaas posted; it takes you to an English translation.
#34 Brie….What a great picture you just painted…I had a good laugh. She’ll probably be following Paulus around with a mop and bucket!!
It would be interesting if this turn of events suddenly wakes Aruba up to its legal responsibilities! Just a thought.
Hi Glenda,
YoYo Muffintop just called and he says that he would love to join us for dinner. He wants a Natalee tote, too.
Love, Arubajet
arubajet, i take the loss of a child seriously, pls do not address me again….
All the best to Beth…hopes she wins the Van der Sloot residence in the civil case (she won’t get the Van der Sloot money…I’m sure it will be squirreled away, but Equusearch can really check out the property.)
Bet the Kalpoes are shaking in their shoes…while Joran walked free they were safe coz’ they could rat Joran out. Now that in all likelihood the Kalpoes will be subponaed, they are a big threat.
Arubajet please give my condolences to Scubajet.
#38. Too bad that the Sloots didn’t man-up to begin with. Now poor lil Sporter has got his ass in pickle. He prolly can’t leave the hospital without fear that his ass will be locked up.
Anita needs to put an end to this madness, she needs to think about her other sons. A real mother would not put her younger sons thru this crap. She is willing to sacrifice the two younger ones for sporter boy.
Anita, want a burden you are putting on the two younger boys.
Shame Shame Anita.
ATA Airlines just folded, I believe they flew to Aruba
I didn’t know Joron had brothers. That’s scarry. One from that hatchery is enough.
Come on Monkeys, you can go faster than that !
AMSTERDAM – Het hele gezin Van der Sloot wordt de komende dagen gedagvaard. Joran en zijn ouders moeten voor de rechter verschijnen om daar onder ede te worden gehoord over hun rol tijdens en na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway.
Amsterdam (that is not in Norway, but it is the capital of the netherlands) – The whole family Van Der Sloot is going to court in the coming days. Joran and his parents have to appear in front of a judge to be questioned under oath about there roles during and after the dissapearance of Natalee Holloway.
There you are, my best translation Dutch-english, I have ever made !
Karel De Grote !
Ayfit
Yeah that’s what I heard. I was just wondering, maybe they are Julia’s boys. Maybe Anita felt that Julia was a bad mutha…..and took them away. From the frying pan to the fire?
JK
ayfit
Joran has two brothers ..I certainly hope that they aren’t just like him…you dont hear much about them and pictures of them arent available to my know how.. BUT!! THE APPLE DOESNT FALL TO FAR FROM THE TREE…
Concerning the kalpoe brothers…
I hope they are forced to talk… about their involvement.which we know was big.they were involved in the gang rape and acomplices to murder….. you dont see or hear anything about them…I would love to see all of them get their due….U GO BETH… SHE WILL AVENGE HER DAUGHTERS DEATH.. THEY MESSED WITH THE WRONG WOMAN.. SHE IS SMALL BUT.. IS FULL OF PISS N VINEGAR…
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#38 thank you karel…..i did a babelfish translation for some of the 227 remarks to that news article. Dutch is hard to translate. but i would read most of them… some nasty remarks towards beth, some supportive, some sympathetic, some wishing her good luck, some saying “it’s about time the VDS come clean”……a variety of remarks…interesting to see how the Dutch feel towards beth and VDS.
charly on April 3rd, 2008 6:52 am
its over guys….
a waste of time…
do something positive with your time….
of whole usa 8 people, not much…
INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY……NO PROVES.
NO BODY -NO CRIME…
DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS…?
you should protest against, simpson,micheal jackson and thousands more free criminals
walking free…just because they have money or are famous,means power…
Charly don’t underestimate the power of a few.. A few changed your island forever for the worse.. A few went out everyday and kept Natalee’s story on the front page.. There are many more than a few in the USA no longer going to Aruba, after this farce.
While you are preaching about innocent until proven guilty, Michael Jackson and OJ were both found not guilty in a criminal court..yet you refer to them as criminals..So you must think they are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty is a court term.. People are entitled based on what they have seen to believe a person is innocent or guilty of a crime. People on here have seen plenty. What are you doing on this blog if it’s not important? Maybe you should do something important with your time, since you like to insinuate this isn’t.
One more thing, USA is not begging people to come visit this one happy safe island,, sending the president out to say he is sick of the case, were a visitor here to become a victim of a crime, and again,, USA has 300,000,000 people , stop comparing it to a country of less than 100,000.. ]
When a person goes missing, everyone knows the first hours are the most critical.. Not one cop out looking for Natalee all day,, not until, Beth and Jug arrived late night,, 24 hours later. Person has a 24 hour lead on the cops already,, People last with her, caught lying more than once, right off,,, still they were allowed to meet daily and make up stories and meet with the father, while pursuing 2 African American men who had nothing to do with Natalee. Natalee’s family out searching crack houses, while still the 3 last known with her,,were meeting getting their lies straight and none of them looking for Natalee. Father tells them no body, no case..why a body? He’s searching the internet for lawyers and the effects of alcohol and drugs on young people. why? Deepak lies and says Natalee put her hands down his pants, to throw off and investigation,,, why? and on and on.. When Dave arrived a few days later.. 2 of the 3 police stations on the island didn’t even know about a missing girl. That’s how important they treated it. Why…more than likely they already had all the answers to what happened to Natalee.
lol above..one toke over the line.. oh and when all else fails,, Plead insanity..
Joran, er, “Charly, I didn’t know that they let you have computer access in that mental hospital.
Terri (#22) … Would you also be interested in passing out some information on Amy Bradley, who vanished from a cruise ship in March 1998 as it was docking at Curacao?
There is very good reason to believe that she remains alive, in a situation of duress. Action continues in the investigation, but any assistance will be of value … and appreciated.
I am in frequent contact with her family.
If you want to know more, please ask moderator Klaasen to forward an e-mail to me.
Thanks much. And please be careful on the islands, and ESPECIALLY on the cruise ship if you’re taking one.
Karel (#53) … Thanks for letting us know where Amsterdam is. Believe it or not, it’s common knowledge.
In fact, aren’t you wrong? When I was in school, I learned that the Netherlands has two capital cities: one, Amsterdam, is (or was, back then) the “effective” capital, while the Hague is an administrative/government center, and is the “official,” formal capital.
Please clarify if my information is mistaken or out of date.
One wonders where EU Robert is these days. His comments are sorely missed!
#50
Oh, I am just so sorry. With all that is happening I just keep forgetting who I am. This has not been a good day. My friends have been detained and my dinner party is ruined. I’m an idiot just like everyone on this crappy island. I am an embarassment to Glenda and CharlieRatcliff.
Love, arubajet aka scubajet.
FYI….i was searching for “Natalee” t-shirts today and found several on CafePress, search “boycott aruba” and there are about 7 or 8 with either “boycott aruba”,”Go To Aruba? You may never come back. look at natalee”, Boycott aruba, I stand with the girl”, Aruba (with a big X mark through it) send us back natalee”, my favorite which i ordered “Boycott Aruba untill they do something about natalee”. There is a funny one that says “only in Aruba can Big people Lie, Cover up crimes, Let you do your own search for your child, Let perps walk the streets, lie about tourism, lie about deaths. Please Go American.” great to wear at the boycotts or just to get the word out and support Justice For natalee.
Once again, the resilience that Beth and Dave Holloway have is admirable and frankly, amazing. Beth Holloway will have her day, and have her say right to their crappy, lying little faces. Joran apparently cannot cop out and use his mental institution stay as a reason not to testify. We know we will hear more lies from the psychopath, regardless but just to see him squirm will be delightful. Boo-hoo….he may even cry again since Patrick will be there laughing at his stupidity in front of what will again turn out to be millions of spectators both from the Netherlands and the States.
If I were Beth- I would also look Anita & Papa VDS squarely in the eyes and ask them how DARE they hide everything from the public and lie for their spawn and put so many people, especially the Holloway’s through such personal hell and suffering ?? Oh, yes, Beth—LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO NATALEE…Look what these ingrates DID to their own country! As Beth stated after her first time reviewing the “confession tapes” with Peter De Vries… their TRUE NIGHTMARE is about to begin…all over again.
I am certain any money Beth does manage to acquire from the civil suit will go to her established program which currently educates teenagers and other recent grads BEFORE they travel to foriegn countries. It’s obvious, the Holloway family is NOT doing this for their own financial gain…it’s based purely upon PRINCIPLE…they are doing this and continuing on since they NEVER have received any true or authentic
********** JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ********
F**you, Van Der Sloot’s… I will watch every moment and retain my satisfaction watching your lames asses get raked over the hot coals. Pass the popcorn, please……….
I have a question for the Dutch about Netherlands laws. In the US, just being in a rehab or psychiatric facility would not entitle a criminal to be exempt from court or legal consequences. The criminal would have to be evaluated and it would have to be determined that he/she was psychologically unable to understand the consequences of their actions at the point when the crime occured. Just being under psychiatric care doesn’t equate with immunity. Is this the same under Dutch laws?
I will also delight in viewing those two scumbag Surimanese Kalpoe losers get grilled as well….I’ll have a Diet Pepsi to wash down the Popcorn and delight in viewing their degradation as well. PPpppppppppfffffffff, anger management issues right there especially with that female-hater DEEPAK…
BRING IT !!!
Since my last post, I noticed that EURobert has made a post on the Aruba Valero sale.
By the way … thanks, Karel, for the translation.
Can any of our Dutch friends tell us how quickly, or how slowly, the legal system there runs? I assume that the deposing of the van der Scums, Kalpoes, and all the rest will take place on Aruba. Any guess as to the time involved?
If the case moves to trial, how long can it take, allowing for the usual legal rigmarole?
Needless to say, the U.S. legal system is as interminable as any other can be. So I’m sure I speak for all posters here in saying that we will be grateful for insight into how things work there.
#50 Thank you
It’s been such a bad day for the Sloots and their friends that I can’t even remember who I am. Of course that’s not an uncommon thing on my island.
arubajet aka scubajet
I admire all the support the citizen’s of Texas have shown for Natalee and her family. Thank you all… from the people that donated their time and property in the successful search in Aruba before being side-tracked by the shenanigans of the most powerful of all the Arawak nations, Venezuella; to Tim and the Equi-Search team; all the way down to every man woman and child that have made it their own personal mission to find the truth about the abduction of Natalee Ann Holloway. We love you all.
Quote from Karin Jaansen:
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‘You can’t just march in there like a bunch of Cowboys!’
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You want to bet?!?!?!
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LOVE YA, TEXAS!
Keep up the good work…
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Boycott!
Testifying in front of a judge. Hmmmm. Perhaps that should read lying in front of a judge. Sounds almost the same.
I wonder what role, if any, Joey Taco the Wacko will play in the upcoming proceedings. Are mafia wannabe mouth pieces allowed to shoot their bile in a foreign court, or just act as a “voice” paid by “concerned citizens”. LOL. In almost every country in the free world (except for Aruba) a judge demands respect, and he requires truthful responses to questions. We can already assume the quality and truthfullness of the van der Sloots. That being said, is perjury a punishable offense in Holland? I would presume it is. Strike 1. Since the Kalpoe Klan will also be most assuredly be require to testify, what 2nd rate legal counsel will they be represented by? Will they make a stab at the truth to ward off Jorans coming lies? Oops, Strike 2. Will van Stratten be called to testify, as well as the other 11 keystone kops? Oh boy, Strike 3. Can the PM Oduber be sworn as a second level interested party (in charge of the inept Polis, lying AHATA group, and other Govenment corrupt clowns who planned justice obstruction as part of the old boys club and false macho syndrome). My goodness, that’s Strike 4. Better stop, so many strikes.
What role will Hans Moss play, if any? What are the chances he might have a minor role in the proceedings if he’s not disbarred by then? Have any of these clowns entertained the horrifying thought that Beth will spring a shattering surprise? What surprise you ask?
How about something that’s been in the works since Persistence folded it’s tent and headed home. What you say? That’s ridiculous? Really? Joran, the Kalpoes, and the implict van der Sloot family are about to be nailed to a cross in public.
Never underestimate the power, will, and focus of a Southern mother. Justice comes in all forms, punishment is meted out as appropriate.
Joran is history – Joran is history – Joran is history
Paulus will probably get disbarred and Anita won’t be teaching school anymore, the younger brothers will live with their grandparents because the Sloot’s aren’t fit to be parents and Anita and Paulus after losing their house will live at Posner’s Holiday Inn and work in the kitchen.
Going under oath is the best thing that could of happened….I’m sure the Dutch court system isn’t Mickey Mouse like Aruba and we don’t have that stinking fart Ric Smid to deal with….
with young sloot checking himself into the mental ward, this should turn a light bulb on for the judges officiating this case.
i say he’s running scared because the truth will come out maybe.(remember this is the netherlands) where lying is considered ok.
the boy is peeing his teddy bear as we speak.while anita the hun is mopping the sweat as fast as papa sloot can push it out.
this mental instution had to be greasy taco joe’s idea. who else would think like a criminal?
2.
They said it was over in 2006.
They said it was over in 2007.
They said it’d be over in 2008.
-BOTTOMLINE-
It ain’t ever over until we say it is. That has to be infuriating for those Arubian/Dutch HATERS.
Bend over, Charly your momma wants to take your temperature again!
The hard way. (the way u like it)
-Justice 4 Natalee!
Patti on April 3rd, 2008 1:15 am
I posted this to a previous thread, but think that it deserves repeating as the Dutch have started complaining about the money that they (as taxpayers) have had to pay to support Aruba, especially in the face of what has happened to their economy due to the boycott…
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Personally, I think that the shot to the head (if there was one) was post mortem. Where is the blood? You shoot a girl in the head with a high-calibur weapon, there’s going to be blood… and if that’s how she died, there would be no blood
later. No blood from the cut made to the heart, no blood from the removal of the kidney… no blood on her ankles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1066.0
I’m not saying that she wasn’t shot in the head… perhaps by one of the many anti-American, happy friends in Aruba… maybe even a police officer fired that shot in an effort to cover the REAL cause of death. Clearly, the decision to cover the crime was initiated by the Prime Minister, himself; as evident by his radio address to the people, and; obviously, by the actions of the Justice Department, itself, to cover this crime and cover it quickly. Later, when asked about what happened at the rocks, it was only reported that the body of a 10-year old boy, a Columbian, missing for over two years was unburied and retrieved. The only problem being that the Chicago videos only show a female body that, obviously, was not placed in the ground over two years ago. When further questioned, the officials stated that the parents of the Columbian boy were not located; in other words, they vanished into thin air. So… where is that body, today?
Shango says there will be 42 sacrifices. If there is a sacrifice made every month, according to their tradition, that would mean 3 and a half years. I am prepared to stick it out another year, or however long it takes to get the justice this family and this nation deserves.
The people of The Netherlands cry about paying the price, while it is evident to me that the officials living and working on the island HAD to have been aware of what was going on… and looked the other way. How do you breed and live among some of the most savage and brutal societies in the world and not be aware of it? It is my opinion, that they WERE aware of it and didn’t care. Perhaps for a nation that does little, to nothing, to curb the ever-growing problem of child pornography, beastality and human trafficking couldn’t care less about only ONE child, Natalee Holloway. But, if that’s the case; you miss the point. Natalee Holloway has come to stand for all the victims that have been forced to be treated like an animal, a lamb, being forced to offer her life for a nation that not only does not practice the same religion; but despises the typical Christian values that we instill in our children. The Netherlands should pay and pay dearly.
By there own admission, The Netherlands is having a hard time balancing the numbers. They have come right out and said that the number of people on the island does not match with the number of people that SHOULD be on the island of Aruba. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that perhaps the reason those people are missing is because they fell victim to the same demise as that ONE child, Natalee Holloway. WE, the People of the U.S. don’t let one of ours fall victim to savage predators without a response. It is not hard to accept that WE are the ones that have paid the price ALL the way around. We have lost a promicing child that was destined to grow into a model citizen, who’s only desire in life was to help others; as well as the millions of dollars that have been spent on trying to find her, retrieve her and return her to her family… A family that have poured their hearts and souls into finding SOME kind of justice for the wrongful, despicable and horrific death of their daughter. So pay, you must; to assure that this doesn’t happen to any other child and make this world a safer place to be.
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Queen Bea:
You don’t know who I am, but you soon will. You, above all, should show the strength to stand up to all that is evil, whether it be in Aruba or the Netherlands. You, above all, should lead the fight for justice in the case of Natalee Holloway
and put an end to the corruption and violent crimes that are committed against the most innocent of us all, on a monthly basis. These are not random crimes, but rather, carefully planned out crimes against the most innocent of them all; our virgin children who have had the spiritual fortitude to stay ‘clean’ in a world that is obsessed with sex and other ‘unclean’ practices. It’s time for The Netherlands to refresh their strategy to include refuge for those that are sick and battered by a government that is not only corrupt and unruly; but one that preys on our children and their families.
I beg you, please stop powdering your nose and walking in closed circles and voice your support for the Holloway family in their quest for their daughter… and back it up! Continue to expose the discrepancies in the operations of nearly every PUBLIC safety department based in Aruba. Tell us the truth about the discrepancies in the immigration reports and release that long-over due report on your investigation into the unconscienable and inept practices of the Justice Department. But, most of all, release the results of the tests that you performed on the soil samples taken from, both, the Sloot compound and the Rocks. This has turned into a world-wide concern and, as such, the whole world DESERVE to know what happened to Natalee Holloway on that dreadful night on the Arawak Nation of Aruba… then, perhaps, there will be peace in the valley and you will win back the support of your people as well as profound respect from the rest of the world.
The partial body, consisting mostly of a skull, found in a cage, deep on the sea floor could have been anyone. There is no doubt, in my mind, that Natalee is there among them… and we WILL find her. I can only hope that your actions, both now and in the near future, will not be one of the blindness that comes with looking the other way as has been shown by your island of Aruba. But, rather, one of kindness and consideration for this victim, as well as the many others.
THAT’s the way of the real world.
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Justice for Natalee
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Patti on April 3rd, 2008 1:56 am
P.S.
I, still, firmly stand by my opinion that the Kalpoes knew nothing of this crime until long after it was committed. Why else would they be insisting that Joran told his best friend the truth of what happened to Natalee AND even prompt Joran, himself, saying that Freddie needed to tell the truth?
I believe the Kalpoes WANT to tell, but are concerned with the hear-say rules. Shango said that the two of them would sing a poison song. Poison in that it would be very difficult for the American people to comprehend. It truly is unconscienable that there are, still, some among us that practice vile acts against children every month, in the spirit of a festival… a celebration, for their pagan gods.
Is it that difficult to understand the words of Prime Minister Oduber when he says that over 90,000 citizens of the Arawak Nation of Aruba would be embarrassed and that revealing the remains of Natalee Holloway would end their reputation as the ‘Happy Island’ leaving them with no visitors? I think not. And, yet, we still have those that feel sorry for Aruba without a clear understanding that EVERYONE that was listening to that radio address understood EXACTLY what the Minister was referring to….
ARAWAK!
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Boycott!
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Face the music Sloot’s…..and Anita said, It’s just one girl…how horribly selfish….well that one girl represents thousands and thousands of Americans and other countries too…you think Aruba is hot wait until you get to hell….that’s where your going….
ABOUT DUTCH LAW SYSTEM;
ONCE ADMITTED IN A PSYCHIATRIC INSTITUTION IS NOT FOR NOTHING, YOU CANT WALK IN AND STAY.
BUT ONCE INSIDE YOU CAN CHECK OUT AND IN ANY-
TIME YOU WISH-CAUSE… ITS NOT PRISON.
YOUR A PATIENT UNDER TREATMENT,WHO HAVE ALL
NORMAL HUMAN RIGHTS…
WHILE UNDER TREATMENT YOU CANNOT BE BROUGHT TO ANY COUTHOUSE…YOUR UNDER MEDICATION….
IF YOU FORCE THIS THE PATIENT WILL SAY THE WHOLE
TIME,,,,,BLA…BLAAA, BLAAAA, BLA…BLAAA,BLAAAA.
woo whee Patti, while i count on my fingers to get the math question right, i bow to you in humble adoration….you express yourself really well…..
charley, if you plead insanity and are sent to a mental institution for the rest of your life to avoid prosecution, did you really win????
#73 Patti
What an excellent post. Thank you for bringing it forward so that we could read it.
if Joran was my son, i would refer him to the Jeffrey Dalmer case…i believe he claimed insanity but did not win…he got 967 years…Joran, tell the truth, make amends, and go on with your life….dont make another mistake…
Hey Anita,
You might want to get that anchor tattoo removed
from your arm, and go out and buy some new wife
beater t-shirts for court!
Something in a conservative gray might be nice.
Honey, I bet u dollars to dough-nutters, that
you have a bigger shvan-sticka than Paulus.
So what’s a typical morning around the Sloot’s like?
Do you and Paul have sword fights over who gets
to take the first shower of the day? ROFL
I betcha you win, everytime.
That water is COLD… YEAH, AND IT’S DEEP TOO!
-j4n
Carpe,
You could make Anita feel a whole lot better if you just sent her a tote. I know she wants one. She would look so nice carrying her things around with an SM tote.
Taco Joe really should have an SM tote to carry all of his legal briefs back and forth to court.
# 66 Richard
“Can any of our Dutch friends tell us how quickly, or how slowly, the legal system there runs?”
Hi, Richard
Just looked around in my dictionary; we have an old Dutch expression (and I saw it’s an English expression as well): “Governmental / official mills grind slowly.” So it always feels like it takes to long…
By the way, I saw somebody say that she hopes Beth will get millions of Euro’s of the VdSloots. I’m afraid that will not happen: damage-compensations most of the time are VERY small here. Not even close to the amounts you sometimes hear people in the US can get.
But that’s not the most important here. (Don’t know if this has been discussed here yet.) I read that in a civil case witnesses are obliged and can be forced to speak out (other than in a penal-case); if they refuse to do so they can be imprisont until the judge thinks they’ve indeed told their whole story before the court. And the information that comes out in this civil case then can be used in a penal case as well. (It’s said that that’s the reason that lawyer PappaPaulusvdSloot adviced Joran to hide in a mental hospital. That’s the only way to delay this proces.) So it’s a very smart move of Moskovitz (Beth’s lawyer) to take this path; maybe the truth in the end will come out this way! At least the VdSloots are kept under pressure this way.
I’m off to bed now. Good night y’all!
#75…you make no sense…you can’t cure a sociopath…put him in the mental institution…he still is responsible for the crime……period. And he will pay for it….the family doesn’t want him in the court room….what’s he taking an aspirin..
Joran and his pimp club have been getting away with this for years…Joran knows what he did….he is sane enough to stand trial….no more bullshit..!!!
#81
I’m on it!!!!
One tote, comin’ uppppp!
I first will stuff it full of dirty socks, and many other highly unpleasant & unsavory things!
Then I’ll stick a couple of 100 lb barbells
down in the bottom of that beyotch. LOL
I shall then proceed to ship it SOB-COD.
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justice 4 natalee!
http://tinyurl.com/2ysvdk
#73 patti…..went to that link….page 2 scroll down to carpe Reply #35 april 17, 2007 7:19:41 pm….oh my gosh….it looks just like a white female body draped over the rock. you can see the long blonde hair hanging down and it looks like her arms are thrown back. the guy is just standing thee looking at her. who was that guy, have they identified him? i’m sick to my stomach…..to think what natalee must have gone thru. and no one on that stinking hellhole of an island cared enough to give the body back to beth and dave.
Don’t support Anita, she’s knows what happened!!!
#84 Brie
We think that Charly needs a tote, too. He needs someplace to put his brains when he sits down.
and joran, while im talking to you, and Lord knows why i am…while you have time on your hands you should look up all the people who have tried to plead insanity and where it got them, because even if you win, you would have that stigma the rest of your life, what kind of job could you get….tell your dad youre not interested, be a man, take control of your life…and tell Beth the truth…
86-
He is a copper. He’s A.L.E.
At one point in the video, he even
walks over & touches it.
joran, this is my last message to you….look at other cases, once Discovery begans, you dont have a choice but to go on with it, maybe for years, because then the Court takes over and you will be forced to supply the inforamation then…your family and friends will go through it all with you…..ok, im done..
# charly on April 3rd, 2008 3:09 pm
ABOUT DUTCH LAW SYSTEM;
ONCE ADMITTED IN A PSYCHIATRIC INSTITUTION IS NOT FOR NOTHING, YOU CANT WALK IN AND STAY.
BUT ONCE INSIDE YOU CAN CHECK OUT AND IN ANY-
TIME YOU WISH-CAUSE… ITS NOT PRISON.
YOUR A PATIENT UNDER TREATMENT,WHO HAVE ALL
NORMAL HUMAN RIGHTS…
WHILE UNDER TREATMENT YOU CANNOT BE BROUGHT TO ANY COUTHOUSE…YOUR UNDER MEDICATION….
IF YOU FORCE THIS THE PATIENT WILL SAY THE WHOLE
TIME,,,,,BLA…BLAAA, BLAAAA, BLA…BLAAA,BLAAAA.
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wow!!! you recognize HUMAN RIGHTS exist – remarkable.
Now…
one of these things is not like the other!
can you guess which one of us has the thinking pattern devoid of all things normal?
who was robbed by “your” protected class of Dutch Royalty of her HUMAN RIGHTS?
Is the mental hospital in Germany or Holland? That Paulus sure is a sneaky b—ard…he’ll do anything to keep that freak of a son of his out of court…..probably scared s—l–s that he’ll really sing if he gets in the witness box.
RE: #86
http://tinyurl.com/2j5dky
What really chaps my friggin’ man berries
is that Paulus Vandersloot is even worse than
the son. I believe Paulus finished her off,
rather than getting her the medical help she
needed. He then disposed of her, while that
f-ing turbo psycho pumpkin headed freak, (or
as Paulus likes to call him – Sonny Boy),
sat at home diddlin’ with his good times!
***They need to get
matching rubber rooms
for both of them!!!
justice for nat-ski!
http://tinyurl.com/2pys52
I wouldn’t bet on South America to hang your ‘recovery’ on, Aruba. Colombia, Venezuela, and pretty much all of the continent are Third World contries, characterized by a large, dirt-poor lower class. The average two-income American family makes $42,000 USD a year. That is approximately 90,000 new bolivares. Not too bad, eh? Oh but keep in mind that the buying power of the new bolivar is the same as the old- all those zeros just got cumbersome. In old bolivares, that amount is more like 90 million! How many Venezuelans make that kind of money? Not many!
Colombia is not much better off- 76 million pesos.
It amazes me how little Arubans actually understand of tourism economics. It’s not just about who comes to your unsafe, miserable little island- it’s about how much they can afford to spend.
My God, get a clue!
Kaye:
Exactly… How could they just stand around and watch? Have you seen the beginning of the video? There were LOADS of cops on the scene, blocking it off from public view and standing by as Natalee was removed from the rock and placed in the basin.
I pondered for months about that basin and it was not until I read the history of the Arawak Nation that I came to know why. She was placed there so her body would remain cool and to slow down decomposition… she was placed ‘on ice’ just like all the others, before her. Picked up by the furniture truck, she would be delivered to the family who had donated the ‘lamb’ – The Van der Sloots.
Thanks to someone who is part of the other 10% of Aruba, the family was provided with all the information that they would need to solve the mystery. No doubt, they paid with their lives as the Arawak Nation does not take kindly to anyone that reveals the secrets of their society… but, now we know and we will never forget.
The pages that make up the Chicago Videos will forever be on the internet for all to see and ponder upon. The Arawak Nation, atleast, in Aruba will fall and just as Jugs said, Natalee’s death will mean the deliverance of millions.
We will NEVER forget.
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Thank you, Always, for your complement. It’s nice to hear a kind word and words of encouragement.
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Justice for Natalee!
I thought that the kalpoe brothers had a big part in what happened… didnt they all leave together…Just because … unlike.. joran they have kept a low profile .. doesnt make them innocent.. didnt deepak wash his car in the middle of the night… wasnt he trying to get rid of DNA…
They talked to pauulus.he coached them….. havent the kalpoe brothers incriminated their selfs by saying that if they find her.. they are going to be in a whirl of shit something about the blonde hair and duct tape….
and deepak made comments that she was a slut…. insensetive assholes… sneaky… I hope they all get caught in all their web of lies…
but the main one remains Pauulus Joran and Anita for inplementing the cover up with karin jansen and all those others. like the corn flake eating slob that couldnt talk to beth and jug because he had to eat his corn flakes…
stepping into their world is like entering the twilight zone…
I HOPE AND PRAY JUSTICE IS SERVED FOR NATALIE….
SS:
You’re welcome. Although we are, no doubt, monitored by the Aruban government and, perhaps, the Prime Minister of the Arawak Nation, himself; we are a team and stand united in our quest for justice and deliverance from the pain and suffering intentionally inflicted upon this family, as well as others.
I’ll bet the walls of Justice are rumbling and about to fall upon the tee-pees of the Arawak…
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Boycott Aruba!
#99 Patti
Yes, I think you are correct. For a period of time, I think that the people of Aruba thought that the Natalee story would just go away. I think that they didn’t realize who they were up against. This is definitely not over and every minute of news coverage keeps this story alive. Aruba played the coverup game for too long. At this point, the more they try to hide, the worse the final outcome will be. Many heads will roll eventually and many will be exposed. The best thing that happened was for Joran to incriminate himself on video. Anyone who doubted his involvement in the past has now heard him with his wown words. It has gone too far and now there will need to be a resolution. Much more will come to the surface with Beth’s lawsuit. Nothing can bring Natalee back, but a lesson will be learned. It would have been better for all involved to be come clean in the very beginning.
Miss Katie:
I didn’t say they were innocent. Surely, there was some “shit” that they were worried about; but I don’t think that they knew the truth… only lies that were told to them by the Sloots. IMO they were meant to be the star witnesses, in case there was a trial, to spew lies and cover for a friend; as well as scape goats to take the blame in case things went array.
I, honestly, don’t think that Natalee went in and out of consciousness because of an overdose. Who needs mind numbing drugs when you pack a healthy left hook? I believe that she convulsed because of a head injury…
The abduction and capture of Natalee, in my opinion was an intentional act to complete, yet, another cleansing of the sins of the nation. I don’t think that she died that night, but, rather on June 8. AND the one that was, truly, in charge of taking care of Natalee in the interim…
ANITA!
Just my opinion…
Later.
SS #100:
Absolutely!!!
A few words “Hell with Aruba and the Sloots”
PATTI
No I didnt mean to imply that .. is what you were saying.. I just think that they are so sneaky ..you think they kept her alive for that long until june 8th wow.. why do you think that patti…
I am new here so I am like trying to put the pieces together.. new as in the last month.. I enjoyed reading what you posted.. I am not as updated as all of you.. sometimes I get lost and confoosed.. thanks patti
katie
what u are saying patti does make alot of sense… even so your thought on the convulsions she was supposed to have suffered… blunt trauma force to the head does make sense..
and your right the key to alot of the information is the kalpoes..but the fact that they feel endebted to pauulus because he paid their legal fees may be a minus… ya think. well anyways ………pauulus is evil and conniving…
P.S. to #101:
She wasn’t the ONLY one that died that night.
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Boycott Aruba!
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patti
if you dont mind me asking do you live in Aruba or the netherlands… if so how do people percieve the vandersloots there … mostly after the video of his confession was made public…rumor was that the vandersloots home was broken into and things taken… but it could of easily been a lie… as they are not know for the truth,,,
Do we know which Legal Eagle will represent Beth in court? Will he also act on behalf of Peter & Patrick? Does legal counsel need to be licensed in Holland? Does the attoney have International status, or is he an Alabamian? These thoughts run through my mind having remembered how false hopes were dashed when Moss spit the bit. (What a phoney.) We need a Cousin Vinny type that knows how to rip the defendents a new a$$hole.
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SM: Beth’s Dutch attorneys are Bram Moszkowicz and Roger Schmidt. Bram is one of the best according to the Dutch posters. (klaasend)
Patty #106
You have really sparked my interest. Can you enlighten us with something that you might know?
I think Natalee died that night….combination of a head injury and a date rape drug…they used Koen’s boat to dispose of Natalee…I think it is all rather simple..
SS #110:
Take the time to research the history of the island of Aruba, where it got its’ name and who its’ inhabitants are. Find out what it means to be an Arawak and the way in which they atone their sins through human sacrifices on a monthly basis determined by the placement of the “stars”.
The reason that I think that it was on June 8th that this festival was held is because that is the day of the New Moon on which all the “stars” would be visible. While Joran was in jail that night, he was threatening suicide. The next day, June 9th, is the day in which he states, “Something Bad Happened” while his father and his cronies cover up the crime. It was on June 11 that the Chicago Videos were made public… No Body, No Crime.
The Arubans will come here and laugh about the existence of the Arawak while their bloody history is recorded in many logs kept by the explorers of the New World. The Caribe has the reputation of being cannibalistic, as well. They originated in Antiqua and are the tribe that is responsible for the Arawak’s move to Aruba. Laugh as they may, it must be hard to explain the boasts of pride expressed by their own Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber, in his Arawak heritage. Chavez of Venezuella is also one that boasts of his allegiance to the Nation which has strong ties to the Freemasons… they take care of their own.
The reason that I believe that there was more than one sacrifice made that night is because the Arawak will sacrifice a virgin for every tribe of every nation. Imagine how many Arawak tribes there must be in various countries such as Venezuella, Brazil and Columbia; not to mention Aruba.
I am not going to do the research and post my links, as I have done in the past; you must do your own research and come to your own conclusions…
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ARAWAK!
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Brie:
Many people do… and that’s their right. But, like Richard says, ‘if it was that simple, why would the government get involved in a massive cover-up and what would be so embarrassing for 90% of the population about a “simple” date rape? Why wouldn’t 100% of them be embarrassed?
#112 OMG
Yeah, go Beth!
Singe Paulus & Joran-stien’s short hairs!
PUT IT THE HECK ON ‘EM.
Other people should go after him too.
Examples?
The publishing company that put out that worthless drivel of a book. ALL LIES! Hell,
it’s basically a confession, the kid is
an idiot. Screw that! He is an idiot, wrapped
in a moron, with a candy coated F-TARD shell.
Now that’s a whole lot of stupid!
LIKE THAT WAS A MAJOR WORLDWIDE
NEWSFLASH FOR YA, RIGHT?
Also: sue the Vandersloots for…
*ALL THE F-16 FLY OVERS
The Govt. should sue the VDS family for saying that they had no idea where the girl was. Yet, Joran and his father damn well did know. As we recently found out, in February 2008!
All Govt. employees who gave of their time to help and search for Natalee, should file against
the Sloots. They knew she couldn’t be found that day. They knew what they had done with her! Yet they still didn’t feel the need to tell the truth. They wasted everybody’s time.
All the lost millions in tourism dollars for
Aruba in the past three years. The reason why you are losing all the money, sits at 19 MONTANJA! Give them li’l mo-fo’s A RINGY DINGY DINGY ONE TIME, and let them know how ya really feel, Aruba!
There’s more…
(but I’ll save it for later)
Just remember whatever ya do,
don’t F. WITH THE BIKE! ha haaaa
-j4n
Patti, i know you cant say, but do you know who shango and simion are???
59 – Richard: Are you sure that Amy Bradley is still alive? It has been so long that I worry that her lifestyle has killed her. How long can someone live in such circumstances. I feel so sorry for her.
molly in houston
EURobert (#83) … Glad that you’re still involved. As for the saying, there’s a well-known poem that reads thus:
“The mills of the gods grind slowly,
Yet they grind exceedingly fine.”
Let’s keep that last line in mind, folks.
EURobert, one more question … in the U.S., I believe, if you commit yourself VOLUNTARILY to a mental institution you are free to leave at any time, more or less so anyway.
If you are committed, INVOLUNTARILY, then this option is not available to you.
My impression is that Joran entered that facility voluntarily … and I believe that he did so as merely a cynical way to try to beat the rap. (And I don’t believe that there were angry mobs in the Netherlands hunting him down; that’s just another sympathy plea by the van der Scums.)
But anyway … my question is: do you know if this voluntary/involuntary discrepancy applies in Germany too? (That’s where this institution is, I believe.)
In other words, if Joran went in there to escape public attention (and probably to try to lay the basis for an insanity plea), and wasn’t forcibly put there, can he just walk out of there whenever he wishes? Are there EU-wide rules about this?
This is to everybody …
Folks, the news about Beth’s lawsuit came out, and we are all agog with hope. Apparently in this case, the suspects can’t be protected from re-interrogation just because they were questioned before by police. And they don’t have the right to lie that Aruba grants suspects.
(Since Aruba law is based on Dutch law, how this works out defies me, but never mind that.)
My point: this is only the first step on yet another journey.
Remember how the media, and we, and everyone were so excited about the surprise that John Q. Kelly threw at the van der Sloots when they came to New York? Remember all the press plaudits that this effort got?
But in the end, the case was thrown out of court owing to a lack of jurisdiction. It may have been a great legal move … it achieved NOTHING.
Let’s not count our chickens before they are hatched, or our legal awards before they are handed down.
As I said before, we mostly agree that there has been, and is, a cover-up on Aruba. Whoever is involved will probably be trying to influence things in this court case. I might be wrong … maybe the Netherlands is going to do its damndest to show that it is not tainted by the Aruba scum.
But maybe not. Karin Janssen is in the Netherlands now, I believe. Jan van der Straaten continues to work for the Dutch on Curacao. Dennis Jacobs is still a detective on Aruba.
Paulus van der Scum still has a brother in the Dutch government. And Aruba still has powerful political connections … even if, as I suspect, many or most of the Dutch political elite would dearly love to flush Aruba down the toilet.
My message: IT IS NOT OVER YET. WE HAVEN’T WON.
And no matter what damages Beth may get … the REAL questions, in my view, are these:
1. What happened to Natalee the night she vanished?
2. Who were responsible, and who have concealed their knowledge of and/or participation in the cover-up? (I use the plural form deliberately.)
3. Where is Natalee, or her remains, now?
Until these three questions are fully answered, and punishment is duly meted out, there will be no end to the Natalee Holloway case.
And, surely, there will be no end to our saying:
“No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.”
Miss Katie:
It’s okay. I didn’t mean to imply that they were totally innocent, either. I think they were sucked into this thing and relied on the people in power, mainly Paulus and his friend Van der Straaten, to get them out. IMO they were enticed to try to beat the system because of some drug dealing they did with Joran who made them feel responsible for the death of an American that hadn’t even happened yet.
I’m not Aruban or from the Netherlands. I’m American, born and raised in the U.S.
Molly in Houston (#117) … To you, your fearless leader Dan, and all other protestors: Well done!
As for Amy Bradley … do I KNOW that she is still alive? I do not.
Is there reason to think so? There is.
Do efforts to find her continue? They do.
I’m being epigrammatic here for a reason.
Anyway, if Terri (#22) is going to the region, and is interested in helping, I think that her efforts could be useful. That’s up to her, of course.
I work for mental health and in the united states if you enter a mental hospital on a voluntary basis you can sign out.. if you are admitted on a
5150 you are there for a three day hold unvoluntarily
Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceedlig small; Though with patience he stands waiting, with exactness grinds he all…Longfellow, right Richard????
Always 1:
No I don’t know who they are, but I have read their posts… twice. So if I misquote them, forgive me.
IMO Simeon gave us some useful information while Shango was a true modern prophet. I view his writings as visions into the future. I think we’re at the part where the walls of justice are either going to be straightened or fall… my money’s on them falling. Aruba has not made an effort and it will be up to the Babylonians (Dutch) to make peace with the Cowboys (Americans). I don’t think that he was talking in code as much as he was trying to tell us what happened without being detected.
I don’t believe that either are alive; but if they are, they’re lying low and for good reason. There were alot of deaths in 2005 and 2006 that I think may have been connected to this case. As bad as Aruba has been, it wouldn’t surprise me to find that they killed anyone who came forward.
At one time, Rudy Croes stated that anyone conversing with the “Aliens” would be found guilty of treason… there is no doubt in my mind that Rudy was the one ultimately responsible for many deaths including that of the television station co-workers. It’s amazing to consider how far the Arawak Nation has gone to hide the truth from us… but we will prevail and sooner or later everyone will know the truth about Aruba.
Longfellow did indeed write those lines. I’ve seen them used elsewhere, too, especially in a poem the author of which I cannot remember.
Richard:
Thank you so much! I, and especially my family, never thought that we would enjoy protesting as much as we did on Saturday. It was awesome. I felt in my heart that we made huge amounts of progress in spreading the boycott of Aruba and in raising peoples’ awareness of the injustice done to Natalee and her family. We were so blessed with the absence of rain, a perfect parking place right across from Hall A of the GRB, and 99.9 percent positive response from people. Being called the Houston 8 is very exciting. It sounds like NATO or something. LOL
I hope and pray that God gives Amy Bradley one more chance and that whoever see her has the sense and the guts to help her.
boycott aruba
justice for Natalee and Amy
molly in houston
TI hanks Patti, I too have visions but not like the psychics i have seen here…mine are one instant picture…..not look here for this and that, i see horses…..I just see NH under the lighhouse steps, wrapped in green…..thats all, but i have found 5 deceased people so far….
Always 1:
It would be so nice to find Natalee!
Always 1:
Does it appear that she fell? Or do you think she was buried there?
Do you mean under the steps or under the lighthouse?
If Croes and his henchmen arranged all those suspicious deaths…can’t remember them all..wish someone would post a list…then I hope this will bring them down in a heap of you know what! If this case goes forward and I pray it does, it will be an ideal opportunity for the Netherlands to clean up that cesspool once and for all. Hopefully there will be justice served without the likes of that miserable excuse for a judge, namely Smid. He and Karin Janssen are at the very top of my ARREST WISH LIST, just behind the vanderSlimes, and the whole damn entourage of Aruban elitists who think they are beyond the law.
GO BETH, AND LET THE ANGELS BE IN YOUR CORNER.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
I believe that most of the trolls that post here ara from ARUBA because you can tell that ENGLISH is not their first LANGUAGE.
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL NATALEE GETS JUSTICE
# 118 Richard on April 3rd, 2008 9:45 pm
Nice little poem!
Joran is in a mental institution in the NL’s (in the city Utrecht in the heart of the country). Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrt93q
I guess when he volontarily committed himself there he’s free to leave at any time, as you say. I don’t know the exact rules but maybe as long as he’s in there, the civil-case against him can be postponed; else there might be a big problem again!
(BTW: he WAS threatened a lot, for example at his ‘hyves’-social-network-page.)
This one is funny :
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3713781/_Amerikanen_krijgen_asiel_in_NL__.html?p=1,1
An American mother and her two American children have gotten secret political asyllum in The Netherlands.
Hi Richard, and all other monkeys,
I know where Joran is ! And you know me, I am Jasper, I AM your source in the Netherlands.
I want to share some information with all of you, which I received today via my sources. I actually know where Joran is ! He is said to be here :
http://www.altrecht.nl/
You need a map ? Ask Jasper ! Here it is :
http://www.altrecht.nl/www/bestanden/pagina/sanatorium2-groot.gif
You want a satelite image of the facility :
http://tinyurl.com/5fck2q
You wanna give him a call ? Somebody of you who wants to ask him politely where Natalee is ? Dial +0031 (The Netherlands) (0)30-6965432 And ask for Joran ! Or ask why the insanity institute is hiding Joran (by the way only during daytime and working days).
I am going to do you all a next favour, Scared Monkeys ! Let me tell you some details of the Dutch court system : all civil cases are open for the public ! I am going to be your new embedded reporter right there at court ! Exclusive Rights to Scared Monkeys !
have a nice weekend all !
After the news broadcast and viewing the video with Patrick in the Netherlands I think there were a lot of young people looking for Joran. On TV it showed them on their bicycles trying to get into the building and circling the grounds; one reason for the mental institution, gotta hide out, the other trying to avoid not to be question by the courts. More of Paulus and Anita’s advice. So how long is he going to stay in the cuckoo house.
We know exactly why Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C’s that night, Joran knew what he was doing, he’s done it 20 times before.
When I think of Aruba, all I can think about is the picture of a Father digging through a garbage dump, looking for his Daughter and about all the Arubans who knew where she was, letting him do it.
_______
SM: I second you on that thought.
In the near future I will be providing never before seen pics of that search.
RED
Joran can stand trial and go under oath. Bram and Roger will figure out a way to get him into court. Get him off the medication, put him in custody with 24 hr surveillance so they can’t say their worried about suicide… He’s a sociopath and there is no cure for that…a spoiled brat that gets away with everything…not this time.
Thanks for the link on post # 3
I think there my be more people who dont know that the sloots are being named in a law suite
Why dont the scared monkeys post an article about this story ???
Dont get dissapointed by the judges decision!
You need to know,we have no jury…
a nice way to end the story….
Balkenende said ; this case of a missing person,
got too far and this will be stopped….
yes jasper;
be so helpfull to translate this dutch article
in # 134…
So everybody can know You guys more….Neighbour,
This is a tipical story of Dutchmen…
Since your so helpfull…
Give the Americans a chance to know you more….
Go ahead…be a man !
Ray 132,
“I believe that most of the trolls that post here ara from ARUBA because you can tell that ENGLISH is not their first LANGUAGE.”
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Based on your axiom, one can then conclude that most members are trolls and that most come from Aruba, for mastery of the English language is a rare site around here.
Richard, Amsterdam is THE capital.
The goverment is seated in The Hague (well most part of it).
and Patti, first insulting our queen will not help you much
and you describe yourselfs as a cowboy…do you mean those cowboys who kicked the native americans of their land (while commiting rape and murder)
and for foreign goverments slapping you in the face..3 words: THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
and Balkenende is going to action?????????????
I was hoping he was actualy going to fix some problems here
So Joran is in a mental institution in Den Dolder, Netherlands being held under treatment for people that are stuck in everyday life and suffering from behavioural and psychiatric problems. What he is suffering from is being caught on a video camera and spouting some truth as to what happened to Natalee. When someone is having a seizure you call 911. Joran didn’t want 911 or the police to come. Not hard to figure out why…
Who hiding ray?
I am from Aruba…
We read and write English,Spanish,Dutch and Papiamento….
CAN YOU …?
@141, story was about a US female who was abused by her husband who asked and was gratned asylum here.
the story is “funny” (abuse is not funny) cause its not very custom to see a US citizen ask for political asylum here (or vice-versa).
Thank you Red. If that doesn’t explain my feelings, nothing will.
# 59 – Richard – I would be happy to pass on any information regarding Amy Bradley. What do you suggest?
Klaasend can you give Richard my email address, please?
and Patti queen Beatrix does speak up against crimes like what happened to miss. Holloway.
she does that every year in her yearly speech.
she doesn’t name Nathalie in person, why should she name her and leave the other millions out.
To Charly 141. What did you say to jasper ? Be a man ?
Grow up, pussycat !
Brie hits it right on the mark.
if somebody has a seizure you call for aid, you do not drag somebody into the bushes
even if what he says is true, he has been disqualified as a human.
When Beth and the “interested parties” finally get to court…I would love the proceedings to be shown on Court TV. Any business advertising on Court TV during that trial would get Global exposure, and advertising hetetofore unrivaled.
What a coup. The world will be watching, even if in delayed transmission. Everyone in the world know the Aruban obstruction of justice, and the Natalee Holloway story. Aruba will be ostracized once again. Sand pigs never learn. When they review next quarters “tourism number fiasco”, they will finally be accurate….it will be shown to drop through the ocean floor. No doubt the will start a media campaign for tourists from lower Mongolia and Brazil. Dengue anyone?
What can Balkenende do except put himself on the hate list…sounds like another Taco Joe…..the Sloot’s and the Kalpoes have already been summoned. He says this case has gone to far, it hasn’t gone far enough or we would of seen justice.
we don’t have court tv in Holland.
Oke Dolf, cant jasper translate?
If you want to talk for Jasper the man,
do it right…..
translate the real story…..
tel the Americans how great to have Dutchmen as neighbours…..
you guys still doing that?…GOOD for YOU!!!!!!!
This story is a family drama of an American Family, who could not get protection in the USA.
Its not a joke, its not funny…its serious.
Lived as prisoners of the 2 world war in concentration camp in Holland.
WOULD YOU CONTINUE DOLF, OR JASPERMAN ?
OR SHOULD I ?
Joran wasn’t scared for Natalee when she was having seizures he was scared for himself. Well, this time Joran, Paulus, Anita and the Kalpoes do not have the right to remain silent and cannot lie under oath. I’m sure they are all afraid of Bram and Roger. I don’t think any of them are going to hold up too well in court. Especially Satish. Look at what Joran did to Peter when he started questioning him, wait until Bram gets done with him…..they better have security standing close by.
Charly, its time for your medication.
and wtf do concentration camps has to do with this?
158#charly,give it up STUPID….HURRAY FOR HOUSTON….DO I HEAR NEXT SHOW?????COME ON OUT>DC IS GOING TO BE THE BOMB….
Finally after 14 years off suffering, mother
Holly Ann Collins with her two small children,won their case and could start their lives as human beings, with dignity, not as prisoners in concentration camps all over Holland.
Now starting their new lives, a new home ect.
a Dutch neighbour ( this is so tipical)
saw some time ago a poster that the FBI is after
this family.
The reason they fled to Holland was of this ex-
husband who was beating the hell out of them all.
If we can call him “man” is after all this.
So this Dutch Hero neighbour is famous,in
news media ect. for informing the FBI.
Sounds familiar p de vries ? tipical.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IN 2008, CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN HOLLAND, RIGHT NOW AND FOR YEARS ALL IMMIGRANTS
WITH NO PAPERS OR PERMITS WILL GO TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS….THEY HAVE ANOTHER NAME
FOR THESE CAMPS….BUT ITS THE SAME THING.
THE DUTCH SIMPLY CANOT FORGET THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN 2 WORLD WAR…..THEY WANT TO KEEP THE
MEMORIES ALIVE….
FILM ON YOUTUBE IS IN INGLISH……
Dolf:
The world has gone array; and a little criticism of our world leaders doesn’t hurt. Don’t you think it’s time that SOMEONE stand up and be counted?
Terri (#149) … Thanks for your response. Moderator Klaasen has been in communication, and I’ll be in touch with you soon.
Our gratitude to all our true friends in the Netherlands who provide us with accurate information on what is going on there in this case.
If Beth’s suit does go to trial, is there any idea on how long it is likely to take?
Amsterdam is the capital, but the seat of government is The Hague. Sounds a bit odd to me … but if it works for the Dutch, that’s what matters.
We’re not talking about a simple
case of purse snatching!
Does the word “human-trafficking”
mean anything to you?
Deepak said that Keon and Sander should be arrested but he wouldn’t give any hints as long as the truth was still hanging out there. So hopefully this time the answers will come. They are going to be forced to tell the truth.
You’re welcome Richard. I don’t have access to a computer at home. Only at work Monday – Friday. I would like to give you my phone # when you email me and communicate to you by phone. I work 8:00 to 5:00 pm.
Richard, Adam has always been the capital, The Hague was the place where the royals lived. Adam and the royal family have had a troubled history.
Also The Hague is the provincial capital (Zuid Holland) and Adam is not in Noord Holland its Haarlem. All the provincial capitals were against Spain in the war for indepence. Adam was more neutral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague
charly
quote:”THE DUTCH SIMPLY CANOT FORGET THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN 2 WORLD WAR…..THEY WANT TO KEEP THE
MEMORIES ALIVE….”
you damn right we keep that memory alive, 1 of the darkest periodes in europe.
and Charly, why is it so typical thats a Dutch person. who is helping your goverment (been a loyal allie), with finding a criminal (haven’t seen about it or heared about it before 2day so i don’t know how the item was broadcasted (was she aired as been a kidnapper or was she aired as been a fugitive running away from abusing spouse), if its the second…well then he does suck
and Patty, yes some1 should stand up. but leave the queen out of it because she has no political say (or normal). go to Balkenende (prime minister) He is the guy in charge of Holland (as sad as it is)
yes it does Patty (human trafficking). and it should be stopped.
pref. where it begins.
did Joran tell nh he had a KEY to the lighthouse??? The original lighthouse had a house attached to it….have you seen that picture?????
your phone number Richara??????? Oh,that way madness lies,let me shun that.
they better bring their own role of toilet paper because they are going to need it….
great idea bob
wonderful…. the whole world would be looking on.. and for sure joran and pauulus would be at risk . for their lives the whole family… their days of mocking beth are over… AMERICA … THE LAND OF THE GREAT..
JUSTICE FOR NATALIE
Carpe, re your pictures of the basin….you know there is a webcam of Bonaire that updates every four minutes…do you think you could go back in their history and see anything????
Dolf (#169), I see the distinction. Anyway, I leave the Dutch people to handle the location of their government as they see fit … awfully nice of me, isn’t it?
From what I understand, the situation in Belgium is truly fractured. The division between the Flemish and the Walloons has virtually created a near-division of what is already a small country.
I don’t know this for a fact (and once again, correct me if I’m wrong, please), but have read it. Anyway, whatever works best.
Terri (#168) … Since your computer availability is Monday through Friday, I’ll probably not be in touch before next week. Thanks again, and best wishes. If you’re going on a cruise ship, be very careful.
Always1 (#172) … You’ve been reading King Lear.
Where is jasper “man” , dolf ?
He has some explanation to do to the American people about his statement of;
so Funny ; An American famlily suffering for 14 years in Holland….
dolf can you explain how come holland still have thes camps in 2008, defending always human rights…?
what do we do in Aruba ?
thousands of illegal immigrants trying to get in paradise every month…
whenever catched we symply put them on a plane and send them back where they came from…
the airline is responsible bringing in people without documentation…
We dont lock them up in concentration camps for years….without freedom…..
if you want to work in paradise, fix your papers first, respect our laws and your welcome..
We have about 50.000 people from all over the world, working and happy in paradise….
yes Richard, but you get my point…
“Paradise” is about to shut down – I here the public protest and strike is intensifying -attempts to get the private sector more involved.
Sorry – I meant hear not here. Doing too many things at once.
charly on April 3rd, 2008 6:52 am
its over guys….
a waste of time…
do something positive with your time….
of whole usa 8 people, not much…
Good advice coming from someone who has posted 8 times since, telling everyone this is a waste of time and do something positive.. Love it when people contradict themselves over and over, kinda reminds me of the suspects.
Gabriel Leo on April 4th, 2008 8:26 am
you guys still doing that?…GOOD for YOU!!!!!!!
Yes and you are still doing that, GOOD for YOU!!!!!!
Natalee’s case has nothing to do with concentration camps or cowboys and Indians from early USA,Leave the kitchen sink in the kitchen.
Natalee’s case is about 3 guys going out at closing time to move in on 1 intoxicated female and leaving with her, never to be seen again and the lies, farce, and cover up that followed not only from the suspects, but the people in place to protect the very people they invite to their island.
Can’t wait for the book of “Stuck on Stupid Quotes from Aruba” to come out.
happy workers? paradise? i read in Amigoe today that the workers are still striking! correct me if I’m wrong but you don’t strike if you are happy ! right charly? me thinks you have come to the wrong site to exhibit your “trollness”………….
What the hell, Charly? You want to talk about “human” rights? Why don’t you talk about the way Natalee’s right to justice has been trampled on in your country? Let’s hear all about the way your government officials have tried to shut down the press in retaliation for it’s support of the Holloway family. There are few people that can be characterized as human on your island and there are very few rights afforded to them.
Paradise?
Yeah, right!
Women in cages…
Bones washing up on the shores…
Paradise with a twist of the blade,
right through the heart…
GREAT place to be!
.
Justice for Natalee!
So, what’sha gonna do, Aruba?
BITE the hand that FEEDS you?
How infuriated you must be to feel those walls trembling. The refrigerator must be getting bare by now and the mad dogs of Aruba are sure to strike back with a vengence…
Starting with you, Charly.
.
Boycott Aruba!
Your LIFE depends on it…
That’s fine, Richard. I won’t be going until the middle of the month. If you have flyers or whatever mentioning Amy, I would be glad to give them out. I am just not that familiar with her situation, I hate to admit. I feel very passionate about any person, whether they be male or female to meet a fate as alot of the people that we’ve heard of in the last few years. I just don’t understand how someone can disappear without a trace. The first incident that really got me thinking about how sad it is was a little girl from a small town in NC. Her name was Ashia Degree. She was only around 6 years old and supposedly left her house in the wee hours of the morning. Someone reported her walking down a desolate highway around 3 am. She was never seen again. Obviously, she was picked up. I just don’t understand how any human being can be so callous. I just wish I could do more, but I really don’t know what to do. So, anything that I can do, I will.
Ok, enough rambling. If you have any literature regarding Amy, you can email it to me and I will go from there.
WOW, Maggie!
I think that you may be the one stuck if you don’t think that this has anything to do with the ancestry of over 90% of the people of Aruba. What? You don’t believe in Indians? I suppose you don’t believe in cages with skulls stuck to the sea floor or people found with their heads cut off… carcasses on the fire; not to mention the bones that happily find their way to the shores.
Fact is there are over 80,000 people that come up missing, vanished, without a trace every year; many of them from either South America or from the old Soviet Block.
Human trafficking is a fact…
Cannibalism is a fact…
The body parts reported to be found in Aruba,
mostly picked over carcasses,
is a fact as well.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
Oh… and by the way, in case you missed it:
Arawaks are NOT Indians from the early U.S.A.
They are Indians that were discovered by our
founding fathers on the shores of Aruba as well
as Antiqua… Human sacrificing, cannibals!
Do you think that a statement made by Oduber,
long before Natalee went missing and having to do
with his pride in his Arawak heritage, is a hoax?
I don’t.
Geeeeesh, I wasn’t even responding to you, didn’t even read the above posts about Arawak.. I was responding to this….
Dolf on April 4th, 2008 7:32 am
and Patti, first insulting our queen will not help you much
and you describe yourselfs as a cowboy…do you mean those cowboys who kicked the native americans of their land (while commiting rape and murder)
Cowboys and Indians in the usa.. I don’t see anything in that relates to what happened to Natalee the night 3 guys decided to go out at closing time and move in on her. Just as they said, they did this before. All having sex with tourists in the same room. This appears to be business as usual, only something went dead wrong. The prosecutor said there are chat sessions the 3 had about picking up American tourists and what they planned to do with them.
As for Human Trafficking, I didn’t say anything at all about it.. Never did say it don’t exist..in fact didn’t even mention it, just. I don’t feel at all that Natalee’s case relates to human trafficking, does not mean I don’t think it exists. Crimes happen everywhere, Jeffrey Dahmer comes to mind speaking of cannibalism. Everyone on this case in Aruba needs to be investigated, it’s so obvious justice wasn’t an option it seems right from the beginning. They’ve never explained why after watching Natalee not return to Holiday Inn, like the 3 said she did and black guards got her at the front.. why did they ignore the lying 3 people last with her, and go pursue 2 black guards anyway, who didn’t even know Natalee? That’s just one of many questions.
Maggie:
I didn’t even think that post was from you…
Have you been okay?
I’m sorry… I misread it.
why do we have to be saurcastic with eachother… we are all here for one cause to share opinions and comments and info we obtain… we share one common goal justice for natalie
lets all be nice to eachother..
support for beth and dave
I try to be kind to all of you and sometimes we say things that come across wrong or taken wrong..
if I have offended any of you I aoplogize
Charly you may think ARUBA is Paradise but I think it is just one CRAPPY LITTLE ISLAND.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
Rufenjol is the key
who get drug money profit
Comments on post #137 & Red— I will never, ever forget seeing the report w/Tim Miller when Dave Holloway was in the landfill, on a steaming hot day in a pit of trash..piece by piece looking for anything…and sign or clue of his daughter. He had been in there for days, and I think it was Nat’s B-Day…and Tim Miller said to him, “Dave, come on, get out of there”. He reached his hand down to bring a broken father up. Tim knows the experience firsthand…where physically you just keep going against all odds.
It is seared in my mind. And, I try- as hard as I can to imagine the dignity, the determination and the strength and committment of this Father and what he has suffered through. It is so devastating and real, brings a rush of adrenalin coursing through your viens. Of course, what Beth has also endured for almost 3 years. People, that is it right there—I will follow this case until I know that the rotten heart inside of Joran Van Der Sloot- his rotten Father and loser Mother and the 2 slimy Kalpoe Brothers do not beat again. If they survive all this, which most of them will- the only satisfaction we will derive is knowing their lives have been forever adversely affected…much more severly than they are today. As cruel as that sounds, it is only just after all the havoc these individuals have wreaked on so many quality people. A Father and Mother’s love…a teenage girls life snuffed out so harshly. Dear, dear Natalee–you did not die in vain.
-J4N
How sad that Aruba police made a fool of beth and dave… like you said… dave was digging in landfills and other grosss places for his daughter while they sat back in their air conditioned offices probably laughing… how evil is that… how sad… it breaks my heart… dave said he sat on a rock and cried… makes me wonder if it was the rock they painted… evil evil lurks in aruba.. I think patti hit the nail on the head when she discribed aruba’s customs and traditions.
for those of you that have not read Beth and Dave’s book … I encourage you to do so… you will cry along with them as you read what diversity they both challenged… they suffered at the hands of a very corrupt island filled with evil.pure evil….. they prey upon young girls they drug them and than transport them to a place out in the middle of nowhere….. god only know’s what happend’s there… I am of the mindset to believe that it was not coincidence that pauulus and joran were in the casino at the same time… they no doubt were settting up the scenario that was to be played out later that night after leaving carlos&charlie’s.
I will continue to join everyone here until justice is served.
I pray that soon we will hear news that beth and dave got some kind of justice….
pauulus has lost credibility with the higher uppers that helped with the cover up…I am so sure he has become a big liability to them with his son’s inability to keep his mouth shut….Joran doesnt meet the pre-requisites of being a real mob or gansta… he has dhyrrea of the mouth and that can be his death sentence..
I bet all the carribean islands have been adversely affected by the failure of law enforcement to protect those people (American and otherwise) who choose to vacation there. Natalee Holloway is, no doubt in my mind, long dead. From the posts I’ve read, the whole carribean has been exposed as uncaring about the fate of their visitors, and only intent on acquiring that tourist dollar. I hope Natalee’s tragedy will result in better law enforcement for those visitors still foolhardy enough to risk life and limb choosing anywhere in the carribean for their vacations, and most especially Aruba…there are other places. Boycott Aruba, justice for Natalee.
Richard
thanks for the info I greatly appreciate it..You seem to be well inofrmed… it helps alot..
KATIE
amerikkka needs us!!!
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JIMBO WHO ARE U
Charly..its prob. easy living off our money there on Aruba
or are we going to see you at the customs check at Schiphol Airport
be carefull that the bolletjes don’t snap in your stomach
Maggie, the comwboys have nothing to do with nathalies disapearance.
just like the arawak bs
and outside the US ppl have alarmbells going off when a US citizen describes him/herself as a cowboy
#137 RED….have you posted those pictures?
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woman in cages? bones ? what the hell are you guys talking about?? 1 person died in aruba who is from the US and you guys do a bunch of shit …
look in YOUR OWN YARD! see how many peaple are dieng everyDAY! in the US.. wake up and smell the reality
Aruba For Every One Happy Island..
you peaple are just jealous try walking peacefully around in the Us without getting jacked.. pfff wake up fix the problems in your own country before you boycott ours!!
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