Labor Strike Continues in Aruba … Who Does it Really Hurt & What Must Tourists Think?


The labor strikes continue in Aruba, but ultimately who is being hurt by the protests? A strike is generally not supposed to hurt the very people that it is intended to help. A protest for higher wages destroying the very economy where the wages are derived. What a concept. Does anyone is Aruba not think that is a tourist was inconvenienced in any manner during their vacation that they will have anything good to say? Arubans are obviously unfamiliar with the concept that when an individual goes to a restaurant and has a good meal they tell a friend, when they have a bad meal, they tell 10.

A number of teachers indicated that they want to resume the classes for the students that need to take exams.  Vice-chair of Simar Anna Tromp said that she can understand that.  Several other teachers also indicated that they want to go back and prepare their students for their First Holy Communion. 


Hear no Evil, See no Evil and Speak no Evil Scared Monkeys in Houston, TX  at the Houston Travel Show standing with the girl and “Justice for Natalee”

One thing is for certain with the on going protests, strikes and boycotts taking place in Aruba … No one can say that individuals who protest for “Justice for Natalee” do not have a right to do so and that they behave themselves better than those striking in Aruba. The right to peacefully demonstrate is one of the corner stones of American Democracy.

Unions talk with governor (Amigoe: 4/21/2008)

The entrance of the Government Building was seriously damaged by fireworks this weekend.

ORANJESTAD – The demonstrating union members that gathered at DOW at the L.G. Smith Boulevard this morning, have blocked the entrance of the container harbour again.  The blockade was lifted when the lawyer of Aruba Ports Authority gave the demonstrators a letter, pointing out the illegality of the blockade.  The unions now hope that governor Fredis Refunjol will mediate in the long-term labour dispute.  The governor has met with the unions this afternoon.

After lifting the blockade, the demonstrators gathered at DOW again to consider further actions.  One of the actions would be blocking the turbo-roundabout on the Boulevard near Belgiestraat.  This didn’t take place when this paper went to press this morning.   Traffic was normal.

There was a meeting in the Simar building on Sunday afternoon and the demonstrators decided to continue with the actions, but with a smaller number of members, compared to last week.  A number of teachers indicated that they want to resume the classes for the students that need to take exams.  Vice-chair of Simar Anna Tromp said that she can understand that.  Several other teachers also indicated that they want to go back and prepare their students for their First Holy Communion.  All the teachers of Colegio Arubano were back in school today teaching.


After Friday’s negotiations between the government and the unions failed, the unions now hope that the governor can motivate the government to negotiate seriously with the demonstrators.  The governor is back on the island namely.  There was a meeting planned between the governor and the unions for this afternoon.  That meeting cannot be considered an attempt of the governor to mediate, because that does not harmonize with this ‘pure domestic concern’, emphasizes the Cabinet of the Governor.   

“The strikes are no kingdom affairs and the governor cannot function as mediator”, said director Harold Boersen.  He indicated that the governor is talking to everybody and behind the scenes is doing his best to help end this conflict.  “That suits his function.  As far as national government affairs, the governor is part of the government, but definitely not the ‘boss’ of the government.”  This is the second time that the governor is talking with the parties behind the scenes to bring about a dialogue.

The unions deliberated intensively yesterday and today about coming to mutual conditions.  The unions realize that the actions form a dilemma between their members’ responsibilities towards the students and the ‘legal fight for indexation’, says Tromp.  The unions are also talking about deliberating with the school boards and make sure that the climate between the teaching personnel among each other, as well as between the teachers and the school board is good when the members go back to work.  The unions are preparing this deliberation with the school boards.

Tromp says that the readiness to take actions is still big but that the members are assuming their responsibilities.  The only action that can be taken with less demonstrators is the blockage of roads, and since there were not that many demonstrators available today, a blockage action spoke for itself.  Tromp does not rule out that the actions will be hardened.  She says that part of the members are radicalizing, because it has already been taken so long before there is a result.  They do not want hear of any deviation from the war of attrition that the government seems to be waging with us.


Several destructions were noticed at the Government Building this past weekend.  The entrance to the council minister hall was damaged by fireworks; the building was bombarded with bottles and rotten fruit; and the transformer kiosk behind the building was damaged.  Party in office MERP said that these destructions were done by demonstrating civil servants.  The party spokesperson indicated further that the actions are harming the economy of Aruba.  The MEP condemns especially the blockades and the party says that the leaders of the opposition parties have incited the demonstrators to do this.

Tromp says that there is proof that the destructions were done by the union members.  It’s true that the members are angry and disappointed.  But it can also have been the result of weekend-vandalism due to excessive alcohol use.  We can also not rule out that the destructions were done by rioters that have nothing to do with the actions, but have used this intolerable method to show that they back our viewpoint, says Tromp. 

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    122 Responses to “Labor Strike Continues in Aruba … Who Does it Really Hurt & What Must Tourists Think?”

    1. dotratc on April 23rd, 2008 6:24 am

      This sentence stuck out to me, “No one can say that individuals who protest for “Justice for Natalee” do not have a right to do so and that they behave themselves better than those striking in Aruba.”

      The part that stuck out was the suggestion that the American protestors “behave themselves better than those striking in Aruba.” I am sure that the protestors at the travel shows have been overal well-behaved; that’s not my point. This morning, I saw a report on one of the travel boards posted by someone that had just returned from a vacation on Aruba. That person said that the strikers showed up at the designated locations (generally in front of the Parliament building) with barbecue grills, coolers, lawn chairs and boom boxes and that their demonstrations resembled tailgate parties more than protests.

      I guess Arubans don’t need much of an excuse to have a good time. At any rate, the strikers certainly have not been behaving badly.
      SM: Are you capable of reading comprehension or did you not bother to read the AMIGOE story?

      DESTRUCTIONS … from Amigoe

      Several destructions were noticed at the Government Building this past weekend. The entrance to the council minister hall was damaged by fireworks; the building was bombarded with bottles and rotten fruit; and the transformer kiosk behind the building was damaged. Party in office MERP said that these destructions were done by demonstrating civil servants. The party spokesperson indicated further that the actions are harming the economy of Aruba. The MEP condemns especially the blockades and the party says that the leaders of the opposition parties have incited the demonstrators to do this.

      Tromp says that there is proof that the destructions were done by the union members. It’s true that the members are angry and disappointed. But it can also have been the result of weekend-vandalism due to excessive alcohol use. We can also not rule out that the destructions were done by rioters that have nothing to do with the actions, but have used this intolerable method to show that they back our viewpoint, says Tromp.

      No one at Travel shows doing that …

    2. Vicki on April 23rd, 2008 6:40 am

      Well, First, that picture is priceless…Great job, Monkeys…Finally, the ppl on that stinking Island are getting a backbone…To bad its 3 years to late..Who can feel sorry for them??? This is what they should have done for Natalee. If we had just seen one person do this…but no nothing NADA..well you reap what you sow…and our protest have been throwing of friut at our protest..

    3. dotratc on April 23rd, 2008 7:07 am

      Well, you don’t have to insult me. I wasn’t comparing the Aruban strikers to the trade show protestors (and I thought I made that perfectly clear but I’ll spare you from any remarks about lack of reading comprehension). I just thought that it was kind of funny that the Arubans have turned a labor dispute into an excuse for a street party.

    4. SL-Gloria on April 23rd, 2008 7:23 am

      The way I perceive it, the same incompetent official machinery that became an obstacle in the pursuit of Justice for Natalee is preventing Justice for the People of Aruba, with their policy of high taxation, excessive public spending and an enormous public payroll.

    5. Cherry Simpson on April 23rd, 2008 7:33 am

      This island is not run by the people who live on it. Aruba is not like America and the citizens of Aruba are not going to have the same behaviors as we do. They behave badly, i.e. destruction, drug houses, prostitutes because the government sanctions it and subsidies it. Their view is very skewed, all islands under dutch rule do.

      They are enslaved by this.

      Just look at the laws they have, they do not serve and protect the people.

      MANDATORY ABORTION PROPOSED IN HOLLAND. Health official van den Anker has called for a debate on the idea of forced abortion and contraception to deal with what she sees as a crisis of unwanted children. Her comments have stirred protest by a health foundation working with those communities in Rotterdam, which called the comments degrading. The target groups for her program are Antillean & Aruban teenage mothers; drug addicts and people with mental handicaps [Expatica]. Van den Anker pointed to the growing number of Antillean youth gangs in Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes. [21Feb06, N. Valko RN, 23Feb06]

      Example forced abortions:

      Read about lack of human rights especially women:

    6. molly in houston on April 23rd, 2008 8:26 am

      “standing with the girl”………..and stand we did- for 5+ hours. It was a joy. No need to be ugly or loud, just exercise our American privilege of free speech and orderly protest.

      Aruba is imploding. Soon there will be no Frosted Flakes.

      boycott aruba
      justice for natalee
      molly in houston

    7. Richard on April 23rd, 2008 8:29 am

      The well-being of the people of Aruba is their concern. Let them do what they see best.

      OUR concern is getting answers in Natalee’s case, and ensuring that anyone and everyone involved is arrested, prosecuted, tried, and if found guilty … punished.

      Sorry, Arubans, if you feel underpaid now. We the people feel that your government and law enforcement have and continue to perpetrate an act of injustice and a cover-up.

      I guess you’d rather denounce Beth and Dave Holloway than work for justice.

      So see if you get any sympathy from us.

      Must be nice, having the van der Sloots on your safe little island….

      By the way, I still haven’t seen any news confirming the report that Joran is in Thailand.

    8. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 9:32 am

      I have no empathy for people from aruba
      they had no backbone when natalee needed a voice .. they refused turned their backs and made negative comments…

      let them wallow in it…
      they can also thank the sloots for their contribution to the lack of tourism dollars…

      makes me wonder if the govt of aruba has asked him or will ask him to leave… not that it would make much difference
      because the govt failed…
      tony the tiger dont like bad people … boycott
      and let no more corn flakes on that island…

    9. always 1 on April 23rd, 2008 9:56 am

      really cute monkeys!!!

    10. Richard on April 23rd, 2008 10:09 am

      Regarding the damage, the article says: “it can also have been the result of weekend-vandalism due to excessive alcohol use.”

      Hmmm … and where were Aruba’s finest during all this time? Don’t they keep a watch on this area?

      Or don’t they do anything except eat Frosted Flakes and take payoffs from the drug dealers?

      What a pathetic place!

    11. Richard on April 23rd, 2008 10:11 am

      Actually, I suppose the term “Aruba’s finest” is a total and complete oxymoron in itself.

    12. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 3:59 pm

      I think the teachers are trying to tell us something:

      First Holy Communion

      Heavy Alcohol Use


      The Governer should act as mediator…

      and probably is.

      I heard a rumor that the women of Aruba,

      were INSULTED by the amount of attention…

      thus, just one girl.

      Oduber’s got a NOOSE around their necks…

      even Jossy.


      Boycott, Aruba!!!!!


    13. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 4:23 pm

      Not, literally.

      But, Politically, speaking.

      Jossy is not popular among the Arawak nation,

      but he’s VERY pupular among THE Nation, The People.


      He’s a people person.

      Very jolly, happy and

      pleasant to be around.

      He’s Honest.


      He wants Justice, too.


    14. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 4:36 pm


      Who’s office did they destroy?


      Let me guess…


      That’d be a kick!



    15. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 5:31 pm

      Chek out Oduber…

      Pointing the other way.

      It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

      He has a case of ‘human disconnect’

      He has no compassion for his people.

      He thinks HE’s GOD!

      King of the Lions!

      (in a sense, he is)


      Boycott Aruba!!!!


      Light the Fires!

      Let them be bright…

      Let us see through the darkness


      into the Light!

      Protect us from evil

      by day and by night.

      For thou is my refuge…

      I give you my Might!



    16. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 5:49 pm

      the protestors brought BBQ

    17. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 5:56 pm


    18. waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2008 6:12 pm


      Back to your last post to me. Okay, yes, I see the trash container. I had to enlarge it X2 to see it. It is so clear.

      Way back when I was trying to put things together, I kept asking everyone if Aruba collected trash like most of the rest of the world, that is, in large containers where the truck drives by and just dumps it in the back. Then I found a picture of a trash container near the lighthouse. It may be the same one, but you could see the entire container.

      At first I thought that Joran had put Natalee in a trash container near the hotels and that when the “Gardner’ saw them that night, they were waiting for the truck to pick up the container that contained Natalee.

      It makes more sense that they would put her in a container near the sight where she was murdered (probable at the rocks).

      The following is graphic, so read at your own risk.

      If Natalee was murdered, raped, tortured, and mutilated at the rock site, they may have indeed used the crab cage to put her in and then put her in the dumpster, instead of the sea. It makes more sense, that they would wrap her in plastic, however. A body wrapped in plastic would be less messy and would not soil the trunk of the Honda.

      I really want to believe that Natalee was murdered at the sloot house. I can’t seem to let go of this. However, it makes more sense she was raped and murdered near the lighthouse, in the lighthouse restaurant, or the rock area. Something was at the rock site. Maybe blood and body parts. I bet that Joran’s “confession” was that Natalee fell and hit her head at the rock site, had a seizure and they left her there because they were afraid. They never told that they put her in a trash container.

      When the authorities went back to the rock site, I think they at least found Natalee’s right arm. They may have speculated that wild animals ate her and just did not think it wise to reveal anything, but to cover it up. Or more likely, they know the entire truth and covered it up.

      When Joran told Paulus what he had done with Natalee, they went to the landfill to hunt for her body. That is when Junior saw them. It is possible they found her and then took her (wrapped in plastic to the cement area off the small bridge that Carpe has so many pics of) she was then taken to sea.

      I think Natalee is in the landfill. The small area off the bridge makes no sense if she is. There is a lot I can’t explain.


    19. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 6:25 pm

      They like their meat

      lean and mean.

      They get more joy

      out of it

      that way.


      Many are Clueless.


      They THINK they live in Paradise.

      Seeing people come and go…

      and never wonder where

      they went.


    20. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 6:30 pm


      They like their meat

      lean and mean.

      They get more joy

      out of it

      that way.


      Many are Clueless.


      They THINK they live in Paradise.

      Seeing people come and go…

      and never wondering

      where they went.


      In the case of Oduber…

      …never caring.


      ‘LOAD ‘em up, Boys!’




    21. crossbow on April 23rd, 2008 6:32 pm

      Someone told me about where capslockwizard said Natalee was taken.
      Does anyone know when this was posted?
      “Quote from: SS on Today at 10:16:29 PM
      Quote from: CapsLockWizard on Today at 09:46:23 PM
      The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

      The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

      The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

      It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

      The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.
      This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

      Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

      and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.”

      Did he read that from Shango or the Clausen Investigative report or does clw know for sure.
      If so we have come full circle after almost 3 years.

      That address (15) is next to the Lion’s Den.
      They use the same entrance so from the Clausen pictures Matty’s apartment where the filming took place is at the end of the driveway.
      Just an observation.
      I still have the pix from the report. They have been gone off the net for at least 18 months; unless someone knows where they now are posted.

      PS spelling errors included.

    22. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 6:32 pm

      they have a jim jones mentality

    23. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 6:47 pm

      If Natalee had been put in a garbage container,

      and the container was picked up…

      There wouldn’t be much left of her.

      I think what the chollar saw,

      was a lie.

      As well as the gardener,

      who saw them by the pond;

      not the lighthouse.

      But, by all means, feel free

      to correct me.

      Sometimes my memory fails me…

      But that’s the way I remember it.


      That’s how they used the pond

      as a distraction.

      The night of the Festival

      for Saint John…

      They were pumping the pond.

      The Holloways were there.

      They found dead dogs,

      according to Simian…

      But, no Natalee.


    24. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 6:55 pm

      I think Paulus and Charles Croes

      sent people that they know

      to make false statements

      to keep the family distracted…

      wasting their time.


      Wild Goose Chase, style


      They only kept the false witnesses alive.

      The rest have disappeared,

      or fled to Holland.


      Please, what do we know of the boy

      who worked at the lighthouse

      and the girl who died the same day?



    25. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 7:10 pm

      not to sound stupid
      but I have a dumb question
      paulus has alot of clout in aruba?

    26. always 1 on April 23rd, 2008 7:25 pm

      crossbow, I remember reading about the Matty apartments…looking at notes….it was in the Simion Shango posts….IBE was talking about it on April 16, 2008 …..he was talking about it from capslock i think…

    27. the TRUTH doesnt hurt, its the TRUTH on April 23rd, 2008 8:22 pm

      every person that lives on aruba can kiss their own asses goodbye, after they kiss mine.

      the economy is aruba is in the toilet

      you sleep with the devil, well guess what? you wake up right next to him.

      have a nice life in a hell hole island full of liars and corruption. you are getting exactly what you deserve..

      thats my opinion and i dont care what anyone from aruba has to say about it.

      thank you :)

    28. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 8:42 pm

      #25 – Miss Katie:

      You would think that he would be tiring of Aruba,

      as well. But, such is not the case. He is

      protected there. Protected from Justice and

      protected from the world.

      Besides, I think he has a dirty hand in

      Human Trafficking

      and makes alot of money.


      I answered your other question on page 2.

    29. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 9:20 pm

      I’ve considered the XXX rated film possibility

      and find it unbelievable… such a video would

      have surfaced by now, especially, with a million

      dollar reward. The only reason for making such

      a film would be to sell it. Someone would have

      found it by now, downloaded it, and turned it over

      to the authorities.

      Such is not the case.

      Instead, we have the Chicago Videos…

      which tell it ALL!


    30. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 9:27 pm

      Besides, what’s so embarrassing about some kids

      making a film? Would that be bad enough to make

      the Prime Minister say the things he did on June

      9th, thereby, erasing the confession and covering

      the crime, like we see in the REAL videos?


      I think not.

    31. Patti on April 23rd, 2008 9:30 pm

      Nite, all…

      God bless you.


      Justice for Natalee!!!


      Hugs to Nemo.

    32. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:02 pm

      yeah I also think he is human trafficking

      and is making so much money and does not care he has no fears of anything.. because he knows that he is shielded by aruba corrupt elite..he has two thrones …
      one is the toilet he sits sweatty bootie on and the throne he has made for himself…

      this is for mr judge wanna be sloot


      if aruba had no tourists..
      it wouldnt face them
      they need a reality check
      the whole island is having a meltdown
      put those in control know they are untouchable

    33. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:04 pm



    34. Ray on April 23rd, 2008 10:20 pm

      If the arubans had step forward and demanded justice for NATALEE I could support them NOW. When they protested Beth and said that she should GO HOME,SHUT UP AND GET OVER IT, I lost ALL repect for the ANIMALS that live on that island.


    35. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:26 pm

      boycott aruba
      the life you same
      may be your own

    36. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:26 pm


      the life you save may be your own

    37. Herman on April 23rd, 2008 10:51 pm

      Good morning everybody! Rise and shine.!
      It’s bacon and eggs at 6:50 in the early mornin…
      A new day and nes hope finding Natalee I presume.

    38. Jasper on April 23rd, 2008 11:27 pm

      Yep, Joran is partying in Bangkok. Peter de Vries claims he stole 9600 $ in an internet scam. Apparently he is having a very good time in Thailand, multiple tourists are sending pictures of a smiling and partying Joran.

    39. Don on April 24th, 2008 12:43 am
    40. Vicki on April 24th, 2008 4:33 am

      Filming American tourists while they are unconsious would be every Islands nightmare…Can you imagine???Maybe thats why papasweat had to go to get the movie back that was uploaded by deepak to bangbus….It just makes way to much sense…maybe Natalee came to and tried to make a run for it…and someone hit her, she fell down…I dont know…there are so many freakin sinarios…I wish I could get my hands on the freakin sporter…or have someone take him for a ride and beat the snot out of him…he would sing like a canary…hes such a spineless SOB…or take guildo for a ride or Koen…how do these animals live day to day….

    41. kaye on April 24th, 2008 7:01 am

      vicki#40…..the devil is disguised in many forms…..and one of them is walking around Thailand having a grand old time. BUT, every dog has it’s day!! his cannot come soon enough. but it does make you wonder why it is taking so long for his to come.

    42. brie. on April 24th, 2008 9:11 am

      Joran can’t go anywhere without being noticed or getting himself into trouble….word will travel fast among the tourists and the islanders….beware young girls he is date-rape drugger…I wouldn’t doubt that he isn’t filming and then sending them to Freddy…

      So what is Joran going to do run, steal and rob for the rest of his stinkin’ life…so is he going to be arrested for the internet scam I bet Paulus is in on that…..meanwhile you slime ball there is a civil suit waiting for you…

    43. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 9:17 am

      hi herman
      I like your cheerful good morning to us all
      bacon and eggs yummie…
      and a good morning to you too… with a nice hot cup of cofee!!!

    44. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 9:19 am


    45. crossbow on April 24th, 2008 9:29 am

      I understand that the Washington Redskin Cheerleaders will be doing a calendar photo shoot on Aruba.
      If you would like to voice an opinion try here.

      The Caribbean authority is giving away a vacation to the one who submits the best video as to “Why I Need the Caribbean”
      The site is CFV
      Caribbean’s Funniest Videos.

      Anyway the Cheerleaders should be somewhat safe if the stay away from the New Carlos and Charlies’s. Besides: Joran, Geoff, Guido, Koen, Sanders, Alexander and Willeim van Cromvoirt, have all left Aruba.
      They may have to be on the lookout for silver Hondas posing as taxicabs.

    46. brie. on April 24th, 2008 9:49 am

      There are casinos in Thailand but they are illegal and some underground or behind unmarked doors…at the borders of Laos and Cambodia there are numerous casinos that are legal….in Laos if you buy $750 of chips you get a free nights stay at the casino if you buy $1250 you get a free week-end stay…..

      A previous picture on Elsevier showed Joran in that green shirt with the black strips that he wore when he got out of jail for the 2nd time….he is actually posing in front of the camera…. what does he think he is, some kind of a celebrity….. we should send the video of Patrick and Joran to TV stations in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia….let them see what they have got walking around their country…

    47. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:02 am

      Patti (#29) … I don’t have any evidence about the alleged porn videos … but remember that Freddy was/may have been the one supposed to stay over at Joran’s apartment that night. Since he is the local king of kiddie porn videos, that is potentially a very important connection, perhaps.

      (Some people say he WAS the one staying over, others say they’ve heard various names. I’m not certain, so I’m making it conditional.)

      Another thing to think about … why did PvdScum go to Florida a few months after Natalee vanished?

      What he said was, he went to tell the school which had accepted Joran that he would not be going after all. (I bet the school is very happy about that now.)

      Does that make sense? It doesn’t to me … PvdScum had to go to Florida to pass on news that he could have conveyed in a phone call or letter?

      Does this prove anything? No. But I find it very odd.

      There were all sorts of rumors that a porn film involving Natalee, or a very strong look-alike, was seen on the Internet, and was then taken off.
      I don’t know if this is a fact … but the rumors certainly were.

    48. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:08 am

      No offense intended to our Dutch friends … but until I find some confirming story by AP or whatever about Joran being in Thailand, I’m going to remain a skeptic.

      I haven’t found one word yet.

      If the reports we’ve gotten aren’t true, then someone is playing a gigantic hoax for some reason. Is it possible? When you’re dealing with an apparent psychopath, a description that seems to fit JvdScum (not to mention his parents), it can’t be ruled out.

      Haven’t found anything yet on this report. There’s certainly no reason it can’t be true, but it just seems too weird. Like everything else about this case (and the world these days)….

    49. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 10:33 am

      good idea brie!!

      joran has no boundaries
      no respect for his parents
      no respect for himself

      he is spending their money
      or maybe they cut the apron strings
      if he has to resort to stealing to supply his gambling and addiction habits
      whats wrong with him
      he cant make his own money
      he has to take someone elses money



    50. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 10:36 am

      IS IT REAL

    51. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 10:37 am


    52. crossbow on April 24th, 2008 11:01 am

      Richard: There are two different stories concerning xxx videos.
      One is “quote” Freddy took of Natalee the night she disappeared. By capslockwizard at Matty’s Apt. I have heard rumors that it was called
      “Adventures on Aruba”. Source unknown…..
      Fact or fiction…..unknown

      The other were each 5 minute xxx video titled;
      “Natalee Holloway and Joran, Parts one and two.”
      This was an actually porn video USING A NATALEE & JORAN LOOK ALIKES. It was on http://WWW.USELOOS.NL or someplace like that.
      I found out through a SA link that there was a XXX video. It took me about four hours of searching through South American links that finally linked me to the NL Netherlands. Then it took quite a while to find it on the web site.

    53. esther on April 24th, 2008 12:09 pm

      Hello am back :)
      I think the picture is fake…

    54. esther on April 24th, 2008 12:10 pm

      It looks like a dutch marketplace imo

    55. kaye on April 24th, 2008 12:38 pm

      on another post i submitted IMO that someone took his GIGANTIC frankenstein head and pasted it on a photo and called it thailand. i could not find anything on the AP wire or yahoo news referencing JVDS. i’ve only seen them on the dutch websites. could those so called “tourists” be the VDS family??

    56. MissKatiekatie2u on April 24th, 2008 12:56 pm

      well well ester thank you
      you actualy said something that made sense
      yeah I too think the picture is fake
      and so is that whole bunch
      anyone have a pair of scissors
      because anita hasnt cut the unbilical cord yet
      cut the apron strings too while your at it

      while you got those scissors IN YOUR HAND can ya slip a little bit above to the jugular vein!!!


    57. MissKatiekatie2u on April 24th, 2008 1:14 pm

      I dont even wanna go back to see if it is a dutch market place
      just the sight of his face makes me sick… and agitated..his odd couple parents sicken me even worse…

      there should be a law against bringing something like that into the world
      the sloots are a disease that need to be killed before it spreads any further…

    58. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 1:14 pm

      crowwbow, did you see my message to you earlier about the apartments you were looking for??

    59. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 1:25 pm

      somebody correct me if Im wrong, but isnt Holland one of our Allys?? and if that is so then maybe our government talked to Patrick and asked him to stop the boycott. Also, American and United fly there…we have various companies vying for their computer network operations….so it would behoove us not to shoot ourselves in the foot,….right????

    60. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 1:41 pm

      Im sorry I spelled your name wrong Crossbow…

    61. crossbow on April 24th, 2008 1:51 pm

      58 always 1:
      Yes I did;
      The Lekker Restaurant that capslockwizard mentions is owned by Chinese and is located at 39 Noord
      The Noord Police Stations is around 30 Noord.
      St Ana Cemetery is around 29 Noord.
      The church is about 28 Noord.
      The Bank with the withdrawals (?) 23 Noord.
      The Lion’s Den
      17 Noord
      The Indo Restuarant
      15 Noord
      The apartments are right behind these buildings.
      Access thru the main driveway. (Not paved)
      39 is a little further than the 500 feet mentioned from 15 Noord.

    62. crossbow on April 24th, 2008 2:00 pm

      and BTW ALWAYS 1

    63. Patti on April 24th, 2008 2:03 pm

      I don’t get it…

      Why would OUR government want to stop the boycott?

      Sorry, Always,

      but I don’t think that’s the problem.

      The problem lies with Oduber and his Lions.

    64. esther on April 24th, 2008 2:21 pm

      Always1,can you fill me in with the app story?
      MissK,i have my good days :)
      If you werent yelling and screaming so much all the time we could have a good discussion…

    65. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 3:05 pm

      no, I dont lisp, I just dont type well….C R O S S B O W Crossbow…….see?

    66. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 3:12 pm

      Esther, see no. 21 post from CROSSBOW on this post about the apartments…

    67. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 3:14 pm

      Patti, because we at at War….we need all the Allys we can get…..and please dont be offended, I know I tend to oversimplify things….but I am not talking down to you…..that just me…

    68. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 3:25 pm

      CrossBow I am 1/16 Cherokee, is that good?

    69. Patti on April 24th, 2008 3:58 pm

      Always 1:

      It’s okay…

      I was just wondering why you would come to that conclusion. But to answer your question, I don’t think the American government would be behind Aruba in this mess…

      They’d be glad to be rid of Oduber, themselves. Quite honestly, I think he’d be happier with his buddy, Hugo, in Venezuella. They both have that no-nonsense, Arawak disposition. Maybe it runs in their blood… like snake venom. Oduber is the type that would have his enemies executed, if there weren’t soooooo many of them.



    70. Patti on April 24th, 2008 4:08 pm

      The rest of the problem lies with the Dutch. The lack of leadership on their part. The way they use their ULTRA-Liberal viewpoints to protect the criminals and their lax laws on human trafficking makes them last on our list of allies, as far as I’m concerned. They’ve had a part in the miscarriage of justice, as well… believe me.

      For one, he should never had been allowed to flee to Holland, in the first place… school or no school. But, typical, Holland… give me your sick and demented policies welcomes the most perverse of the perverted to their piece of shit country.

      What has the Queen done?

      Powdered her nose.


      Boycott Aruba and The Netherlands, too;

      if that’s what it takes.


    71. Minky from CH on April 24th, 2008 5:19 pm

      # 70
      Yes Patti, that’s exactly why we have Queens and Kings in this world, to powder their noses. Just a piece of decoration to represent the Country – whatever.. that’s it!
      In a European Kingdom, the “King” is not ruling the country anymore (only in Fairytales). They have a government to do the job.

      Don’t expect too much from The Netherlands. IMO opinion it’s the worst country concerning morality in Europe.
      There are a lot things going on, what never would be allowed or tolerated in other European Countries. Their laws are quite different.
      Especially Drugs, Drug-Tourists, Prostitution, Child-Age Protection etc.

    72. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 5:52 pm

      wow you can actualy hear me yelling and screaming all the time… bionic ears have ya??



      my computer can hear yours

    73. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 6:02 pm

      well ester
      here goes
      ester I just dont take to kindly to aruban supporters.. thats all!!!

      I just am extremely sensetive to natalee and her family.. and the injustice

      I get ballistic when I hear people glorify aruban elite the worst of the worst judges … lawyers and prosecutors anyone involved in the cover up…
      you see it makes my horns start growing…

      if you have anything intelligent to say.. I may listen.. I’ve been known to do that …

      I am not mean … I am just extremely sensetive when it comes to the holloways and how they were emotionaly raped…

      I may only be 4ft11
      I am full of piss n vinegar!!!!

    74. crossbow on April 24th, 2008 6:51 pm

      65 68 Always 1:
      I meant do you lisp when you type? Joke Joke
      Of course that is good. I have the highest regards for the American Indian. My son in law is part Menominee. You or you family must have been from Oklahoma? And yes I know the rite of passage for a Cherokee brave.
      I speak often to a Plains Indian Shaman.
      I live where the Lenape Indians still live.
      However; my heritage comes from Europe and the medieval crossbow.

    75. Patti on April 24th, 2008 7:08 pm

      Miss Katie!

      Laugh out LOUD!!!!!

      You cRaCk me up…

      Why don’t you say you have antenae’s?

      According to Oduber, we’re the ALiENs!

      They’re the Devils…

      Many, many wicked Demons…

      Who ELSE would take pleasure

      in their sacrifices…

      not to mention

      their witchcraft.


      There should be a law

      against killing someone

      in the name of



      and Racial differences.

      In fact, I think there is one.

      A FEDERAL Crime…


      For the Sins of a Nation…



      They know that we know and

      we know that they know.

      So if I were Joran,

      I would hide in the Psych Ward…

      Drugged OUT,

      just like he LOVES to be

      in any nation, that would allow it.


      and where do the little demons run?

      to Queen Bea.

      (I’m beginning to wonder about her)


      we know.

    76. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 7:19 pm

      crossbow, I am from Oklahoma….Sooner Born and Sooner Bred…..Go OU……

    77. Patti on April 24th, 2008 7:31 pm

      Hey, Minky!

      Right on…


      But, the Queen is, ultimately, responsible for the
      acts of her country. And releasing Joran to travel abroud would be a catastrophy for her, politically, speaking. I’m sure the State Departement will be keeping an eye on them… to see what they will do.

      That’s why it’s so quiet in here…

      you could hear a pin drop.


      Justice for Natalee


      If ever there were a purer victim…

      to die such a humiliating death…


      They DANCED!


      JUSTICE for that ‘one’ girl…


      ALL the Others.


      Then, we’ll Dance.

    78. Patti on April 24th, 2008 7:50 pm

      Although, I love the Monkeys;

      it won’t be the monkey dance.


      Just Kidding,

      I, think.!?!


    79. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 8:09 pm

      Crossbow, New Jersey?

    80. crossbow on April 24th, 2008 8:25 pm

      79 Always;
      We both guessed pretty good.

    81. Patti on April 24th, 2008 8:39 pm

      So… Crossbows:

      What can you tell us about the Arawak Indians?


    82. Patti on April 24th, 2008 9:23 pm

      Crossbow….. thinking.


    83. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:25 pm

      A poster up above says that the photo of Joran looks faked … or, at least, that it doesn’t appear to have been taken in Bangkok.

      I tried to look at it, but my computer wouldn’t let me. I lived in Bangkok for a year, so I think I would have a good sense of whether it was, in fact, there.

      Nothing seems to be too bizarre to be possible in this case. I haven’t found any “mainstream media” reporting about Joran being in Bangkok, or anything about Joran at all.

      So I don’t know. But I’m skeptical. Skepticism will be my middle name until this is proven.

    84. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:27 pm

      Does anyone have the contact info at hand about the place where Joran supposedly checked himself in voluntarily?

      If there’s an e-mail address, I’ll contact them myself and ask if he’s there.

    85. Amsterdam 020 on April 25th, 2008 2:41 am


      but I don’t think they will give information about their patients.

    86. benh on April 25th, 2008 4:19 am

      59 ,you dont really think patrick can stop the boycott do you patrick is nothing in the big picture of this boycott. GOD BLESS NATALEE

    87. katablog on April 25th, 2008 7:58 am

      Only thing Patrick is doing (whether he’s aware or not) is decreasing the sales of his book. After his blog I have a different opinion of him and will not purchase his book.

    88. crossbow on April 25th, 2008 8:10 am

      81 Patti: I did not see your post until this morning. To your Question;;;Not much;
      The were first encountered by Christopher Columbus. They inhabited most of the Caribbean Islands. Since CC thought he was in India he named them American Indians.
      I’m more into those tribes residing in North America not the Caribbean. They Arawak have a different lineage; more African and Spanish. They are not what we normally describe “RED MAN”.
      I didn’t know we were in Indian 101.

    89. Richard on April 25th, 2008 9:12 am

      Amsterdam (#85) … Thanks for the info. I agree that they are unlikely to say anything, especially in response to some e-mail inquiry.

      Maybe someone who lives in the area could make a phone call to Joran, bribe somebody who works there for info, or something like that.

      On the other hand … wherever Joran may be, let’s hope he’s in a psychic state of hell.

    90. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 10:53 am

      i wouldnt purchase his book either

    91. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 10:55 am

      im a passame indian

      passuh me a gun to shoot that out of control idiot

    92. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:43 am



      Indians 101…

      I just thought that since you are an Indian you
      could shed some light on the subject.


      What do we know of Patrick?

      1) He approached Peter

      2) His family live in Aruba

      3) He met Joran before

      4) HE wrote us letters with
      stolen e-mail address

      5) He’s a liar

      6) He’s a thief

      7) He’s a druggie

      8) He’s not on our side

      So pass me da gun, too.

      (Target practicing)

      He’s a putz!


      Miss Katie:

      Did he post any personal information about me?


    93. crossbow on April 25th, 2008 2:36 pm

      patti 92;
      You mispelled Italian.

    94. Patti on April 25th, 2008 10:39 pm


      Believe me…

      I know Italian,

      when I see it.



      What kinda name is that?

      An Italian living on the Jewish side of town?


      New Jersey…

      Give me a break!


    95. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 11:01 pm


      no he never used your name to my knowledge..

    96. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 11:26 pm


      I gave him a big piece of my mind whats left…lol

    97. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:53 pm

      Well, Yeah, me too.


      I thought that’s what I was doing!?!?!?

      Love ya, Girl!


    98. Patti on April 26th, 2008 12:04 am

      I can’t believe he did that to you!

      I feel for ya…


      Justice for Natalee!


      All that Razz-ma-Tazz…

      and still, no Justice.


    99. crossbow on April 26th, 2008 7:05 am

      patti; whatever you have been smoking; you better give it up soon for your own good, or you may never come back to reality.

    100. Carpe on April 26th, 2008 1:08 pm

      she be coo coo
      in the co co,
      bro bro.

      A few puffs short of a full box.

      Luv yaaaaa!
      Nemo says hello to you.
      Can you wave to the nice
      little man? Open up,
      it’s time to take
      da medicinnnnne.



    101. always 1 on April 26th, 2008 2:17 pm

      But I want to go live with Patti, she has People and a Corvette….

    102. A New Girl on April 26th, 2008 3:49 pm

      #39- Don….Aahhhhhh…here’s the ignoramus and his retarded links again. Guess you think we have nothing better to do than to search the internet all day and take you at your word on “SPORTER SIGHTINGS” ??

      LOL….It doesn’t really matter where Joran ends up. The quality of his shitty little life has gone wayyyyyyyyy downhill. Not wanted in States, parts of NL or on his own UNHAPPY little island. So, keep posting…it’s humorus.


    103. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 4:11 pm

      lol people?
      I know about the corvette
      aww patti i thought the irs was the only one that had people

    104. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 4:11 pm

      aruba can eat

    105. always 1 on April 26th, 2008 4:32 pm

      Guys, I have looked all day and cannot find the name of the person (keeper) who jumped from the California Lighthouse and killed himself which was the reason the lighthouse was closed to the public….can someone help me??????

    106. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 7:16 pm



    107. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 7:30 pm



      Guys, I have looked all day and cannot find the name of the person (keeper) who jumped from the California Lighthouse and killed himself which was the reason the lighthouse was closed to the public….can someone help me??????
      SM: I have been following this case since June 2, 2005 and I have never heard anything about that (klaasend)

    108. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 7:33 pm



    109. always 1 on April 26th, 2008 8:42 pm

      cif I type in suicide on aruba lighthouse it pulls up four different versions of the suicide…one of them is Frommers….the first man who manned the lighthouse was jacob jacobs of curacao and the last man to man the light house was frederico fingal of aruba….

    110. always 1 on April 26th, 2008 8:58 pm

      if i type in La Trattoria el Faro Blanco Restaurant in Aruba, it shows the entrance to the lighthouse where the man used to live and pictures of the lighthouse…..

    111. always 1 on April 26th, 2008 9:20 pm

      the coolest virtual tour of aruba-

    112. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 10:16 am

      alway1 I tried it.. but it didnt work

    113. Patti on April 27th, 2008 7:22 pm


      You’re such a back stabber…

      Please do show us your BIG GIANT HEAD

      with the band-aid on it.


      Now… That’s coo-coo in the coconut!


    114. Patti on April 27th, 2008 7:43 pm


      Since the death of Natalee, most links are closed down to the information you want… if not all of them. Have you ever gone to the Library. Sometimes, it’s easier to find information, there.

      They used to write little travel tour books on all the islands. I’m sure there’s probably one on Aruba. It tells some of the history to the famous landmarks, suggests the best places to go, etc. Look under Travel.

      Or try a word search under ‘haunted’ lighthouses… perhaps there will be some mention of the California Lighthouse.



      No, I’m not with the I.R.S.

    115. Patti on April 27th, 2008 10:54 pm


      Here are a couple sites with pictures.

      The first was taken in 2006, simply click on view gallery.

      The second is from a blog posted by MAK802. Go to blogging, arrow down to MAK802 and click on the red x to view the picture. I’m not sure when this one was taken.

      I’ll keep looking for the history, but have a feeling that it’s not going to be there, anymore.



    116. Patti on April 27th, 2008 10:55 pm
    117. always 1 on April 28th, 2008 9:47 am

      Thank you Patti!!!!

    118. Carpe on April 28th, 2008 11:33 am


      I’d love to show it to ya “toots”… but your effing

      Statue of Liberty is BLOCKIN THE SHOT, my dear.


      -Bill Oh-Really

    119. Patti on April 28th, 2008 1:19 pm

      My f’ing statue of liberty?!?!!

      Who’s side are you on, anyway?


    120. Carpe on April 28th, 2008 4:32 pm

      The winning side, the same one you are on!

      Natalee Ann’s side.

      I WAS JUST JOSHIN’ YA, Patti. ;)

      “I go take CHILL PILL now, yeah okayyyy you know?”

      -Bunny Swan MAD TV

    121. Carpe on April 28th, 2008 4:37 pm
    122. Patti on April 28th, 2008 10:01 pm


      This isn’t about winning. It’s not even about becoming famous, writing books; or even becoming a video master…

      It’s about Natalee.

      She’s not a bitch, like you have called me before. She’s not someone you’d call ‘TooTs’. So why would you call me those things, if we’re on her side, together? I don’t call you names cause it doesn’t look good for Scared Monkeys… besides, women are not bitches and ‘Toots’ is a word that reminds me of a time, long before my TIME…

      Not mine, but, THE Roaring Twenties.


      Anyway, Nemo loves both of us.

      We can do it for Natalee…. okay?


      How’s Mayan?

      I Miss her, too.



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