Natalee Holloway Investigation: Justice-minister Rudy Croes, “I was not Warned about the 3 Suspects Detention” … The Cover Up Continues

 

Tourism and Economic Interests over Solving Crimes at all Cost

Was the case of Natalee Holloway by Aruban OM Hans Mos shut down in Aruba by the powers that be? Are people in the Aruban government still providing preferential treatment and running cover for Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe? The recent actions of Aruban OM are beginning to make sense.

Aruba 3 suspects

(Reputation Harmed Again? Welcome to the face of Aruban Tourism)

It would appear that Justice Minister Rudy Croes is miffed over the fact that he was not in the loop regarding  the recent re-arrest of the three suspects, Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe and Joran Van der Loot, in the Natalee Holloway investigation. It would also seem that there is an admission from the Aruban government official that Aruba’s reputation was harmed again internationally. Aruba_Rudy_Croes

Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) says that he should have been informed earlier of the detention of the three suspects in the Holloway-case.  “Now that everything is back on the table, the reputation of Aruba is harmed again internationally.”

The admission that some may have not been in the loop begins to make some sense as to how Aruban OM Hans Mos began this recent arrest, prosecution and comments on TV like a lion and ended like a lamb. This seems to play into the idea of  “governmental pressure” that has been discussed as to why Hans Mos did an about face on his criminal prosecution and the release of the three suspects. How does one go from having new evidence, making re-arrests of the Kalpoes, have Natalee’s parents fly to Aruba and flying Joran Van der Sloot to Aruba from Holland after his arrest only to have nothing?

Talk about a conflict of doing one’s duties. An OM looking to prosecute cases and a Justice Minister looking only to promote an island’s reputation. Does this mean that Mos had every intention of prosecuting and had new evidence against the three suspects; however, when the news of new evidence was learned by the Justice Minister was immediately squelched? Thus leaving Mos with the embarrassment of I have new evidence only to be left holding the bag and egg on his face. All at the cost of a family and their search for answers and justice for their missing daughter. Let us not forget the comments that Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario, made recently with regards to the actions of OM Mos:

It has become obvious to us and to the independent part of the population that the prosecutors will only act on behalf of the government against its opponents, but never….and I will repeat NEVER against the corrupt Ministers and Parliament members of the ruling party. (Jossy Mansur, 12/9/07)

WAS HAN’S MOS SHUT DOWN BY THE MEP ARUBAN GOVERNMENT? Enter Justice Minister Rudy Croes. It has always been discussed the friends that Paul Van der Sloot had in high and influential places. Ministers, who as Hans Mos states are more concerned with the reputation and tourism economy of Aruba than with solving a criminal case of a missing Alabama Hans-Mos2teenager, Natalee Holloway.

 … the OM makes decisions and the minister must not work against itSome people are more worried about the reputation of the country than they are about solving criminal cases.  These seem to be subordinated to economic interests; you can then do away with the police and justice.” 

The above comments say a mouth full. It is an admission that Aruba puts its tourism ahead of any type of investigation into the case of a missing American. The investigation was not based upon fact finding, it was based upon how Aruba’s image would be tarnished.

OM has not warned me on time (Amigoe: 12/14/07)

Same as last time, a huge amount of media came to Aruba this time to cover the detention of the three suspects.

ORANJESTAD – Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) says that he should have been informed earlier of the detention of the three suspects in the Holloway-case.  “Now that everything is back on the table, the reputation of Aruba is harmed again internationally.”

The case could have been dealt with more carefully if he was informed on time, suggested the minister.  “Was it well-considered to make the arrests?  If there were plenty of evidence, they would not have been released.”  He considers the contact between him and the Public Prosecutor (OM) about the recent developments in the Holloway-case an abnormal working situation.  “As a matter of fact, I am ultimately responsible for this matter; the OM falls under my policy.  Doesn’t that mean that I should have been informed in advance?  There is no need for me to do anything any longer and we must save what can be saved.  Let’s drop the case as soon as possible.”

According to chief district attorney Hans Mos, the justice-minister, who as opposed to Parliament is politically responsible for the actions of the OM, was one of the first persons that were informed after the arrests. “He was immediately informed together with the prime minister.   Our scheme clearly mentions that.”  He says that it is however unusual to inform the minister in advance of an arrest.  “That only happened in very special cases that affect the public order and safety of a country, like with terrorist crimes.  In individual criminal cases like this one, the OM makes decisions and the minister must not work against it.  Some people are more worried about the reputation of the country than they are about solving criminal cases.  These seem to be subordinated to economic interests; you can then do away with the police and justice.”  Mos emphasized that the government and the justice-minister could have always contacted him about the case.  “But the minister has not once asked for an explanation on the arrests.  I would have done this with pleasure.”

Besides, the OM doesn’t want to continue dragging the case and has decided to set the deadline on December 31 of this year.  The prosecution is currently thinking over continuing or dismissing the case.  That all three suspects appealed to their right to remain silent after their arrest was an obstacle for justice.  That was also the reason why the judge has decided to release them from custody, because it didn’t serve any purpose.

RESEARCH SHIP DELAYED DUE TO OLGA

The unusual December storm in the Caribbean, Olga, has delayed the arrival of the research ship that Dave Holloway wants to bring to Aruba to search the seabed for the body of his daughter.  The management of Texas Equusearch ‘Mounted Search and Recovery Team’ cannot say when the search can start.  “Keep praying”, said the relief organization on the website.  The tropical storm Olga has already caused the death of 8 persons in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico.  

 



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    108 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Investigation: Justice-minister Rudy Croes, “I was not Warned about the 3 Suspects Detention” … The Cover Up Continues”

    1. JusticeforNatalee on December 15th, 2007 10:49 am

      Rudy: Shut up! Your whining is getting on everyone’s nerves.
      Aruba’s reputation is ruined because it got caught in a coverup.
      Now get with the program and let’s see some TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

      KLPD: Why didn’t you break through the corruption and coverup in this case?

      Hans Mos: Did you really expect the suspects to talk? That was your PLAN? Did you ever think to go after the ones who derailed the investigation?

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
      BOYCOTT ARUBA

    2. JusticeforNatalee on December 15th, 2007 10:53 am

      And speaking of “not being warned,” NATALEE was not warned that three punks were going to take her for a ride to hell.

      Start thinking of Natalee, Rudy. You are pathetic.

      NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS, Rudy. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

    3. crackpipesarebad on December 15th, 2007 11:11 am

      rudy is a slime bag

    4. Caroe Noctem on December 15th, 2007 11:15 am

      Aruba Blows!

      http://tinyurl.com/28mga8

      -j4n

    5. brie on December 15th, 2007 11:35 am

      What does he mean…now it’s back on the table…you fool, so you admit, it was taken off the table. Just put it on the back burner and let time run out. And we were lead to believe the case was still being investigated. Don’t cry and blabber,if you had been trying to help solve the case you would of known what was going on. Where were you, in Colombia?

      We’ll tell you the same thing you told Beth, only directed to you, “Somebody needs to shut that man up”!

      Tourism…you think in the last 2.5 years this has gone away, we’ve been watching and listening all along.

    6. Bob on December 15th, 2007 11:35 am

      Rudy is truely stupid. If, instead of sitting behind a beat up old desk whining about being left out of the loop, and sensing how ARUBA has ONCE AGAIN been ostracized and embarrassed in the eyes of the WORLD community, he could have turned it to advantage and become the TOP DOG in a pen of mongrels. (People notice little things like being Just.)

      Another missed opportunity for Rudy, a continuing missed opportunity for ARUBA. Perhaps the problem is genetic….mental capacity and decency is sorely lacking on that sand pile and shows no signs of improvement.

      If it takes 100 years to achieve JUSTICE, we will spread the word about ARUBA’s failings, and continue spreading the BOYCOTT message until the Dutch won’t even travel there. BTW, another email campaign to ALL major Cruise lines and Airlines has been started as of this past Wednesday. Effective or not, 100 emails a day will be send until March 15th.

      ARUBA: beware the Ides of March!

    7. Sharon Chicago on December 15th, 2007 11:36 am

      I just don’t know…. if Rudy Croes was in charge Hans Mos would never have made the arrests and the judge said there was no new evidence, why would the corrupt government ever allow Mos to make that statement and have all three re-arrested?

      I think Mos is part of the dog and pony show.

    8. M Dabby on December 15th, 2007 11:45 am

      I still wonder…where is Attorney General Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra? What is her role in the NH disaster?

    9. 10061906 on December 15th, 2007 11:54 am

      I was just reading again Jaime’s statement: Joran does not asked for Jaime to take him to C and C’s; only to meet up as usual with him there. He also states that “I saw Koen, Sander and Joran were in the apartment of Joran and that they were playing poker”. “Koen and Sander are brothers but I do not know their last name”.
      I find this hard to believe. He goes to Carlos and Charlie’s with these guys, knows them over a year, hangs out with them, plays cards with them and doesn’t know their last name. Bullsh-t.
      How about you get a call from Joran that they hit the jackpot, you go over to Joran and they are playing “poke her” with a girl that they do not know her last name.
      He also states that he was asked to stay over by Joran along with Freddy.
      In Satish’s statement out of the context of his statement he says he brings Freddy the “camera”
      He also mentions that Stephanie Croes is Joran’s girlfriend. She lives in MOKO. “It is a short walk from Montana to Moko” (was that simian that said that?). The same Stephanie that was with Bailey Anne and Alyse.
      Well Dr. Hodges did you ever check other statements for “thought prints” or only use Deepak’s? I think since you have the experience you should write another book after you have read all the statements and declarations and see if you come up with the same conclusion. Thanks to you my opinions are changing.

    10. Miss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2007 11:59 am

      What a friggin shame, the way Aruba treated this crime no one can tell a good guy from a bad guy, so you tend to think that they all bad.

    11. Kitty on December 15th, 2007 12:01 pm

      What would he have done, had he known?

    12. brie on December 15th, 2007 12:05 pm

      He’s back….the look alike flying monkey….either a monkey had sex with a chicken or a chicken boffed a monkey…begone before a house falls on you!
      But in case it does, will call it the Croes Crush!

      You weren’t warned, haw—-who are you anyway?

      By the way, what ever happened to your two sex slaves?

    13. brie on December 15th, 2007 12:08 pm

      Rudy Croes….the minister of injustice…!!!!!

    14. JusticeforNatalee on December 15th, 2007 12:21 pm

      Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,

      Justice for Natalee. Then Aruba can move on.

      You have sorely underestimated the persistence of Americans and the value we place on JUSTICE.

      One more time, Rudy. Are you listening?
      Justice will make Aruba look good. It will IMPROVE Aruba’s image.

      You can’t move past Natalee. The American public will never let you. Justice for Natalee. Wake up, Rudy.

    15. 10061906 on December 15th, 2007 12:46 pm

      How accurate, I don’t know but a lot of info here….

      http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-78-p-5.html

    16. kayjay on December 15th, 2007 12:54 pm

      Too bad Rudy Croes…Aruba’s reputation like yours stinks to high heavan, or in your case hell and that’s what you and your ilk are going to get until you change your tune and your evil and imo corrupt tactics. WE WANT NATALEE HOME AND THOSE FOUR PUNKS IN JAIL (AND YES THE 4TH IS YOUR BUDDY PAULUS). Have a nice day you miserable excuse for a “Minister of Justice”.

    17. brie on December 15th, 2007 12:56 pm

      In case you weren’t warned, there is a search vessel arriving to look for Natalee…remember the young American that disappeared from your island.

      You said, the reputation of Aruba is harmed again intentionally…you a@@holes do it to yourselves. What was really harmed INTENTIONALLY was Beth and Dave AGAIN!

    18. Allan on December 15th, 2007 1:02 pm

      The only reputation Aruba will ever have is is BAD.
      Minister of Justice Rudy with his own prostitutes living with him. Perverted old man buying sex with island girls. Does anybody of that moral character think he would be concerned about an American girl raped and murdered? Also Nelsons own son in the past implicated in some rapes and scandals.

      What the hell is wrong with our travel advisory here in the US? After all this and no warnings about Aruba. Importing US mafia lawyers to Aruba to help with perverted, psychopathic pimp gangs raping murdering or disposing of an American Natalee to some Arab Sheik or some other pervert with cash.
      Taco has no scruples and our media putting on that scumbag defending Joran was ludicrous. I might add the media putting on Taco was just totally wrong. Money,corruption talks. Why would an Mafia attorney care
      what happened to Natalee in Aruba unless they are involved?

      In other words it seems to me that I am about pissed off because it seems justice has been bought off by cash and old perverted men in Aruba and US.

    19. Richard on December 15th, 2007 1:08 pm

      Very interesting that Croes uses the word “warned.” Not: I wasn’t told, or notified, that the NH case is in the news again, but “I wasn’t WARNED.”

      Anyone get a certain impression from this word?

      Boy, for a crime-free island like Aruba touts itself as being … it sure does seem hard for its key personnel to keep on top of the biggest criminal case it ever has had.

      But don’t worry, Croes … Aruba’s reputation isn’t any worse today than it was yesterday.

      It can’t be.

      You’re an absolute bottom feeder, just like the rest of the scum on your island.

      True, your comment does show your sense of perspective … don’t solve the case, just whine about the impact on your tourist revenues … but don’t worry about those either, because they’re running out.

      You people on Aruba CAN’T be as stupid as you make yourselves out to be. Disgusting, repulsive, amoral, yes; but the sheer stupidity that emerges every time you open your mouth is just unbelievable.

      You’ve been living high on the American market for some time, but now you’re on borrowed time.

      And it’s running out.

    20. benh on December 15th, 2007 1:09 pm

      I have not heard a word from Beth are Dave since they left the island,But i truly want to think Rudy for runing his stupid mouth and geting a new story on Aruba started.

    21. Jerry from Ohio on December 15th, 2007 1:10 pm

      wish there would be an onslaught of hits in a single day of 5 folks in Aruba and this would be acceptable . JMO

    22. Bob on December 15th, 2007 1:13 pm

      A little bit of a stretch perhaps….but in the early days while America was getting IT’S act together, there was always an unwritten rule that governed both the North and the South factions. Americans have ALWAYS made it a priority to “protect the women”, especially the belles from the South.

      ARUBA: a little geography lesson……..Alabama is in the South. We value ALL of our women, and don’t forget outsiders who chose to prey upon them. You have NO IDEA what you have let yourselves in for, absolutely none.

    23. JusticeforNatalee on December 15th, 2007 2:06 pm

      BAD: Natalee being killed on Aruba
      WORSE: Perps getting away with it; coverup

      It’s not the crime itself but the COVER UP and DENIAL OF JUSTICE that will be Aruba’s downfall.

      Bank on it, Aruba. Literally.

    24. 10061906 on December 15th, 2007 2:21 pm

      It would seem that Aruba’s National past time is poker ( money laundering) and with the pimps it is poke her.
      In most cases when asked someone would just say we are playing cards… not necessarily the style or type.
      I believe Mr Pink plays a bigger role in the filming of drugged tourists.
      There are a couple of sights; one is sleep assualt and the other is drugged or drunk teens or coeds. Something to that effect.
      I believe a lot can be determined from investigating the Cybernet Café where Deepak works. Porn sites need a server with the image files. It would be interesting as to who provides the internet connection at the café. It might also be interesting to learn who provides the internet service. Country of Origin? EG. NL= Netherlands. DE= Denmark etc
      Deepak does not have a girl friend.. Joran said Deepak wanted to get off from someone else’s girlfriend on the internet.
      Maybe Deepak’s only link is a taxi cab and he up loads the porn to some country’s server.
      Maybe Satish’s role is part time taxi driver and best grip.
      If and a big if this is an ongoing major production then bringing a drugged tourist to Joran’s just does not hack it. One shot deal maybe but not ongoing.
      An ongoing drugging and filming needs a more permanent location (set) that is more conducive to a professional atmosphere.
      A hotel room comes to mind and what I have blown off before as a red herring;
      The Lion’s Den. This location then brings everything together at Noord, Montana, the Atm withdraws, etc. The church, the Police Station. I know full circle..
      Helpful hints:
      http://www.webdevelopersnotes.com/basics/urls.php3

    25. Sherry on December 15th, 2007 2:29 pm

      I have always thought Rudy Croes looked like someone..like an elf or something..I cant quite put my finger on it. Can any of you guys help me out with this?

    26. 10061906 on December 15th, 2007 2:42 pm

      About two years ago I spent an evening searching South American sites. It led me to a note: Natalee and Joran Part I and II. After considerable surfing it took me to an NL site.
      After weeding through all the ads sure enough there were two xxx rated videos titled Natalee and Joran Part I and II.
      These I know were downloaded and sent to the FBI.
      However; my point is someone went through a hell of a lot of trouble to find a Natalee look alike. Someone who did not mind doing porn for pay, taping these acts and submitting them to
      useloos.com.
      Why? Just in case that video that Freddy took of Natalee ever surfaces they could refer to this porn video and said Natalee was acting did it willingly. I just don’t know why.

    27. Sharon Chicago on December 15th, 2007 3:08 pm

      #9 you are right…with Joran hanging out at several locations with Koen and Sanders over a years period of time and still claims he does not know their last names is total a stupid thing
      for him to say…..

      I would think they all had cell phones and that their name would appear on the caller ID on Jorans phone.

    28. 10061906 on December 15th, 2007 3:14 pm
    29. mommytraveler on December 15th, 2007 3:26 pm

      10061906

      Was it actually Joran in the movie? Or just someone that looked like Joran as was the girl who was supposed to look like Natalee?

    30. brie on December 15th, 2007 3:41 pm

      …25…what comes to mind again, as posted in the past, are inimical flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz

      Naturally, all monkeys on THIS blog disavow any relationship…

    31. Richard on December 15th, 2007 3:43 pm

      Meanwhile, here’s a Reuters story from Thursday.

      The biggest criminal enterprise in Bulgaria is … you guessed it … human trafficking.

      Thank God it couldn’t happen in Aruba.

      The trafficking of Bulgarian women as sex slaves brings in about 1.8 billion euros ($NZ3.40 billion) a year for the gangs behind it, making it the country’s most profitable criminal activity, a report said.

      The European Union newcomer has become one of the main exporters of sex workers to Western Europe along with Russia, Ukraine and Romania, the independent non-government Centre for the Study of Democracy (CSD) said in a report.

      Bulgaria ranked first according to the number of victims who sought help in the Netherlands in 2000-2003 and was number three in Germany in 2001-2005, the report said, citing European data.

      Analysts from the group blamed poverty, corruption, family problems, a failing justice system and Bulgaria’s geographic location — along numerous illegal trade routes in the Black Sea region — for fuelling the sex industry.

      The Bulgarian government recently abandoned a plan to legalise prostitution, a step taken by other EU countries such as the Netherlands, saying it would only make the problem worse.

      “It would be a grave mistake,” Interior Minister Roumen Petkov said during a presentation of the CSD report.

      “It would mean that abusing human flesh is lawful and would create conditions to legalise huge amounts of money to be re-invested in criminal activities.”

      He said Bulgaria should take a tougher stance against human trafficking and step up measures to fight the problem.

      There are no official estimates of the number of Bulgarian women working as sex slaves abroad but some groups believe about 10,000 to 12,000 fall victim to trafficking every year.

      The CSD report said profits from prostitution at home stood at between 110 and 170 million levs ($NZ108.61-$NZ168.80 million).

    32. Richard on December 15th, 2007 3:45 pm

      10061906, as I recall, Joran also said that he hardly knew the Kalpoes … had only met them a few months before he and they went to C&Cs.

      And I think I remember he said that he had NEVER met Guido von C.

      Pretty likely, isn’t it? NOT…as the kids say.
      _____________________
      SM: Correction, you mean NEVER met Geoffrey von Cromvoirt. (klaasend)

    33. brie on December 15th, 2007 3:59 pm

      Diario says…tourism is the most lifeblood of our economy and it is incredible that neither our governors nor our private sector have reacted as they must. Our Public Ministry has become a total farce and a laughing stock nationally and internationally. Negative effects of the latest blunder of the Public Ministry supporter by a Minister of Justice who doesn’t know where is face is….(that’s saying it Jossy…had to laugh on that on)

      We are observing again all sectors in our community are living in silence in fear that the government will get angry at them. Bad government from the people who can only look after themselves and do not take the interests of our people to heart.

    34. kayjay on December 15th, 2007 4:01 pm

      Don’t we have a good computer “expert” in out midst who could have a little fun with the computers at the internet cafe????? Crash, crash, crash ..oops, sorry I just dropped my glass!

    35. Richard on December 15th, 2007 4:13 pm

      Thanks for the correction, Klaas.

      Kayjay (#34) … what you said got me thinking. Wasn’t the Internet cafe reportedly sold at one point to Deepak’s uncle, or someone like that?

      And wasn’t it an unanswered question how much the purchase price was, and who put up the money?

      I don’t remember whether the cafe was closed for a while with the “change of ownership” … but perhaps some hard drives were taken out and junked?

    36. diverboy on December 15th, 2007 4:25 pm

      “I have always thought Rudy Croes looked like someone..like an elf or something..I cant quite put my finger on it. Can any of you guys help me out with this?”

      hmmm…does the phrase “I want me lucky charms” ring any bells…?

      Aruban government reminds me of another phrase involving a football and a monkey.

    37. Bob on December 15th, 2007 4:40 pm

      So Rudy thinks ARUBA’s “reputation” has been hurt internationally. Hmmmmmmmmm. A funny comment indeed. While ARUBA’s fearless leaders have orchestrated and seemingly have santioned a cover up in the Holloway affair….statements that our ‘hero’ – Joran – has in the past made it a practice or sport out of preying on (RAPING) young females (20 times!!!, at least) without any punishment. Now that’s not been denied, in fact, it appears in documented statements.

      Now then, Rudy, do you think all of the females…singles, marrieds, mothers…all around the WORLD haven’t read that???????? Do you think Joran is the proper poster boy for tourism ARUBA is looking for? Do you think that may have ANY effect on your failing tourist economy??

      Rudy, you have to be dimwitted.

    38. Richard on December 15th, 2007 4:54 pm

      Hey, check that article out (i blue, “Aruba’s reputation was harmed again internationally”).

      The article says that Croes slammed the PROSECUTION for the early release of the three suspects.

      Huh?

      It wasn’t the prosecution that freed them … it was the prosecution that caused their arrests in the first place.

      Who freed them? The exact same judge who freed them before, and who has reputed ties to none other than Paulus of the Ditch.

      To wit, Rik Smit.

      Doesn’t Croes even read the news about the case?
      I guess this demonstrates his level of “concern.”

      What else could you expect from the minister of justice on Aruba, though….

    39. Bob on December 15th, 2007 5:07 pm

      The ARUBA BOYCOTT initiative needs a wide audience as it’s building new steam. A friend suggested that a quietly made ‘documentary’ could be filmed (by a vacationer perhaps….”from a vacationers point of view”) of all those spiffy 7th rate areas that ARUBA would like no one to ever see. We could start with those dozens of Tijuana look-a-like shacks, bearly passible streets and stores just outside of the 2 main shopping streets in Town. Then a short bus ride down to St. Nicholas to film the brothels, backwater bars, and slime down there.

      I think a 15 minute properly edited documentary in color, with trendy B&W scenes interspersed would look fabulous. The last 3 minutes ought to be a quick recap of the Holloway disgrace, and appropriate closing with her photo. Now where could we get the proper audience venue? Hmmmmmmm, State College & University blog sites. That would be a big help to those students confused about where to plan a spring or summer vacation spot. The best audience? YOUTUBE!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine…..the Real Aruba watched daily by MILLIONS. Let’s see what develops in the coming weeks ahead. All things are indeed possible.

    40. brie on December 15th, 2007 5:32 pm

      ..#34…kayjay…you brought up several good ideas. One being…has anyone ever checked into the computers on the internet cafe. I bet not!!!

      Isn’t it strange that we never hear anything from the Kalpoes stepfather…it’s like he doesn’t even exist! Never one word, at least that I know of.

      Anita says the Kalpoes are good boys and Nadira says Joran is a good boy…and Satish says we go out and do this every weekend. Go figure!!!!!

    41. brie on December 15th, 2007 5:55 pm

      Stool Pidgeons…first we blame the innocent security guards and when that didn’t work Joran blamed Deepak… I am Joran, the sociopath, I never do anything wrong, everyone else does! Well then, I left her on the beach and Deepak raped and killed her… what about the Black Team and the Visibility Team, security on the beach, somewhere, someone better do something about him. I would doubt that he can be treated only convicted!

      Give him the IV and be done with it!

    42. brie on December 15th, 2007 5:58 pm

      Nothing wrong with truth serum…that’s why is was invented.

    43. brie on December 15th, 2007 6:14 pm

      Joran has no proof that he was on the beach..Joran has no proof that he left Natalee there..Joran has no proof as to what happened to his shoes…Joran has no proof that the Kalpoes picked him up. Joran has no proof about describing Natalee’s underwear..only said to discredit her…you where the last person seen with Natalee and you have no witnesses..in your behalf….you Joran cannot provide anything that makes you innocent…YOU ARE GUILTY!!!!!!!

    44. mommytraveler on December 15th, 2007 6:27 pm

      And Joran – you have no shoes. Are they in the cage with Natalee?

    45. Anneke on December 15th, 2007 6:36 pm

      Anyone actually knows what this arrest was all about? OK:

      By Aruban Law the chief prosecutor has to make a decission supported by the judge-commisioner as to wether any of the suspects are supposed to be involved in any provable culpabel way or else stop the case by the end of this year. So for the know-it-alls regarding corruption the case got researched with full support of the FBI, KLPD and the dutch airforce for about 18 months. No way is this case going to stick unless they find a body with supporting evidence that anyone was involved. Nobody wants to cop pleas as we are picky with who we send to jail and we still have blatant miscarriages of justice anyway. But better that than have incompetent laypersons make decissions about human lives.

      Obviously the Aruban police have more serious crime on their hands with a large country like Venezuela close-by, that has a lot of problems in stopping murderous cocaine from reaching the US (say 15000 cocaine deaths over these same 18 months).

    46. brie on December 15th, 2007 6:39 pm

      Where’s the law…he does not have a witness to confirm his were-abouts…he cannot provide anything that makes him innocent. He has no alibi!!!! He did it!!

      Your 6’4 tall Joran a 220 lb predator..Natalee is 5’4 a 110 lb. i bet she struggled!

    47. brie on December 15th, 2007 6:54 pm

      Truth serum for Joran…no one could deserve it more!!!!!!!!!! You did it! A pervert with a bad, bad temper to boot! And permissive parents!!! What a combination.

      Another thought..why did Stratten say Natalee is dead….”some of it would expected and some of it would be hard to handle”..is he saying Joran is the criminal and Natalee’s death is incomprensible….

    48. Pearl on December 15th, 2007 6:58 pm

      Rudy was not informed?

      That’s very interesting.

      When Rudy was very much aware of Joran Van der Sloot’s confession, as were several other law enforcement officials in Aruba, who revealed that they too had been informed of Joran’s confession -it seems that once the confession’s IMPACT revealed that Natalee Holloway was MURDERED IN ARUBA’S VERSION OF “PARADISE”, ( and that didn’t go over too well with the “happy safe” illusion), suddenly, Rudy was “MIS-INFORMED”.

      Now, this time around, when his boys are being hauled in, Rudy is UN-INFORMED.

      Rudy, how many versions of “informed” are there for you besides the “UN” kind and the “MIS” kind?

      Rudy Croes: the former un-lucky charms poster boy, who wouldn’t even now be considered for an
      Imodium D commercial.

      Rudy, welcome to AMERICAN PERSISTENCE.

      Justice for Natalee is coming, Rudy.
      GET INFORMED.

      JORAN AND HIS GANG MURDERED HER.
      He even confessed to killing her, Rudy.
      Remember? THE CONFESSION?

      Get informed, Rudy: Joran lied to Natalee.
      He told her he was a “tourist”, staying at the Holiday Inn hotel.

      Rudy, maybe it’s time for potential tourists at risk – to be INFORMED.

      How about telling potential tourists at risk – about how Aruba allows predators to troll around hotels and other tourist properties seeking American victims to target for gang rape?

      You think you can keep the lid on it, Rudy?

      Guess what?

      Peristence can be a hefty, heavy, and very long response, to what the corrupt of Aruba allowed to be done to an innocent child named Natalee Holloway.

      WELCOME TO PERSISTENCE, RUDY.
      Get used to it.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

      Set Natalee Holloway free, Aruba.
      Contain all your murderering criminals; not this innocent victim. Set this child free, Aruba.

      Release this child from the illegal imprisonment inflicted upon her – which makes her a victim of international kidnapping on your island, among other criminal acts that were brutally and viciously inflicted upon her.

      Release Natalee from the containment inflicted upon her by Paulus, the man without a conscience.

      Release Natalee from the barbaric indifference that conspires to crush her voice and her truth with one purpose: that “tourism” doesn’t have to take a deeper dive.

      Find a conscience Rudy.
      Find a conscience and a moral compass, or understand this: PERSISTENCE WILL FIND THE MORAL COMPASS FOR YOU.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!!
      SET NATALEE FREE!
      LET THIS CHILD COME HOME TO HER FAMILY!

      How dare you think you can steal a child from her family, drug her, kidnap her, rape her and murder her and then sadistically hide her body and all the evidence of Aruba’s torture – from her poor family.
      This is uncivilized savagery.

      Rudy, do you think you could get informed on how much Deepak, Satish and Joran got for CHOOSING AN AMERICAN TARGET?

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

    49. Peaches on December 15th, 2007 7:16 pm

      Rock on, Pearl.

      Your thoughts certainly reflect my own right about now.

    50. Helena on December 15th, 2007 7:55 pm

      I wondered about Joran’s shoes being with Natalee. Maybe they had something spill on them and had to be hidden. Maybe time will tell.

    51. katablog on December 15th, 2007 8:20 pm

      I am aghast and totally stunned that this “Minister of Justice” would even dare to say these words out loud: “There is no need for me to do anything any longer and we must save what can be saved. Let’s drop the case as soon as possible.”

      To me it shows just how totally he loathes Americans. I thought his previous statement years ago was simply a slip of the tongue, but this shows that’s not so. He might as well be one of the trolls posting here (which he well might be).

      This is the lowest of the low. Americans: Boycott Aruba. Do not go to Aruba on vacation, do not stay in Aruba’s hotels.

      Loved the article above this one in Amigoe that talks about the increase in tourism in Oct. 2007 so that the hotels actually operated at 75.9% !!!!
      Ha, ha ha! That’s BAD business.

    52. kayjay on December 15th, 2007 8:37 pm

      35. Richard..I am not sure who owns the internet cafe, but I seem to recall reading a post that said the family owned all or part of it. They may well have got rid of the old hard drives, but I kinda like the idea of causing them as much grief as possible!!
      As for Croes not being happy about their release..unbelievable! If its true it gives one more clue as to who is running the coverup. I would just love to be a fly on the wall and listen to these miserable self-serving, sob’s doing everything they can to cover their a$$es.
      40. Brie: I just don’t know, but with their planned incompetence I would seriously doubt it.
      So thier mother thinks they are good little boys..huh..I am sure I read somewhere that at least one of the Kalpoes had a criminal record going back to his time in Surinam. He looks like a shifty little bugger.
      LETS KEEP THE HEAT TURNED UP FULL BLAST!

    53. JusticeforNatalee on December 15th, 2007 9:22 pm

      It has been posted on the inside forum that
      THE PERSISTENCE HAS ARRIVED IN ARUBA.

    54. buster on December 15th, 2007 10:16 pm

      Any word on the search boat ??? Is it there yet ???
      ___________________
      SM: Yes, it has arrived in Aruba. We have been told that they should start searching by Tuesday of next week. First they need to stock the ship with supplies. (klaasend)

    55. 10061906 on December 15th, 2007 10:47 pm

      Before you trolls start giving me a raft of sh-t concerning whether there was a cover up or not; this is just why I consider the investigation from the start smelled of conflicts of interest and cover ups:
      Judge Smit staying at the Van der Sloots: Conflict of interest.
      Van der Straaten on the case: Paulus van der Sloot was his boss prior to 1999.
      Conflict of interest. Van der Straaten Reported to be Joran godson. Conflict of interest. By Godfather that means he was a sponser when Joran was baptized. He has no religion so that part is a joke. Paulus Van der Sloot worked probably with Karen Janssen in the prosecutor’s office, another conflict of interest.
      Gerald Dompig put on the case. Related to the brother suspects through his second marriage. Another conflict of interests.
      I know Natalee is dead; I have seen the evidence. DIRECT OBSTRUCTION OF AN INVESTIGATION. WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE.
      Dennis Jacobs walks in all circles of prostitution and drug users.
      No help at all in investigation, biased responses to Dave and Beth…conflict of interest.
      They interfered with his shaving and frosted flakes consumption.

      Bob 22: That was called chivalry and dates back to the knights of old.

      Mommytraveller 29 :
      To answer you concerning the xxx videos.
      No they picked a fairly good look alike. Actually he would have been a better choice for “Arrest Wanted” that poor excuse TV reinactment Hispanic looking actor that played Joran. I have the videos, but cannot download them as they were turned over for examination as part of the investigation.
      There is another site that should be investigated. They were showing the stills for awhile.
      BeacHunters.com How they got them and why they were posted is beyond me.
      Let’s put it this way about the video and the stills. Beth said they were not Natalee. The actress had hot pants tan lines, where as Natalee had a bikini.

      Richard 32; I find it hard to believe that the Van Cromvoirts do not know the Van der Sloots. Van der Stratten is friends with Paulus his exboss and who was a cop in the Netherlands. Van Cromvoirt was also a cop. VCB owned by Van Croimvort works closely with the Police for visibility downtown and on the beach.
      Geoff knows Michael Dompig, they worked together at VCB, hung out together at the beach, frequent the same casino as Guido and Joran. Also has had his pictures taken with numerous girls in the Holiday Inn Rooms.

      Richard 35; Rumors have it the Deepak’s father or step father now owns the Cybernet Café.

      Let’s face it from the time Natalee got in the car; all hope was lost and the three know why and so does half of Aruba.

      For the person that wanted the slums to be seen in a video; one only has to search:
      Webshot community or flickr.
      Search under San Nicolas Aruba and see how much pops up concerning slums, stray dogs, garbage, and red light districts. If you have trouble finding them I have about 50 pix I’ll send you.

    56. Reaver on December 15th, 2007 11:14 pm

      Nr. 19 Richard,
      FWIW The original article uses the dutch word ‘ingelicht’ from the verb ‘inlichten’ which means ‘to inform’. QED

    57. Tom on December 15th, 2007 11:33 pm

      I hate ARUBA and I have never been there. I am so touched by Natalee and this terrible pain for her family. This has been a cover up from the start. When I see Anita and Paulus on TV celebrating his release I wonder what it must be like to be the parents of a monster. They all make me sick. I would not go to ARUBA if someone offered me 1 million dollars to spend the night there.

      Death to ARUBAN tourism!

    58. Pat in Alabama on December 16th, 2007 12:03 am

      10061906

      Conflict of interest? Sounds more like too much inbreeding and Mr. Croes could very well be the proof.

    59. Pat in Alabama on December 16th, 2007 12:07 am

      #19 Richard

      Great observation. Why does the minister of justice have to “warned” that things are headed in the direction of “justice”? Once he was warned, though, it appears he took care of that problem…

    60. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2007 12:26 am

      Go re-adjust your toupee Rudy Croes!!!

      Before somebody sets up an empty beer

      can with a bullseye on your head…

      …and blows that embarrassing little

      effin HAIR DICKIE you have, off!

      You demented little leprechaun.

      -j4n

    61. juan on December 16th, 2007 12:37 am

      NATALEE FOR JUSTICE
      A reasonable tradeoff.

    62. Richard on December 16th, 2007 12:53 am

      #56 … Why is it, then, that the Aruban papers cannot translate Dutch accurately? Aren’t the locals supposed to be fluent in it? Isn’t it the lingua franca (no pun intended) on the island?

      I don’t think the word choice is a coincidence or a bad translation….

      10061096 … I also don’t believe Joran’s story that he doesn’t know Guido. I don’t believe, anymore, a single word from Aruba.

      The only thing that seems clear to me is that a very all-encompassing web of deception was spread from the early days of the case. Only one reason for it that I can think of … and protecting the main suspects is NOT the issue.

      Protecting Aruba from total economic collapse seems more like it. In my eyes, only one thing could bring that on … the knowledge that Natalee was taken off Aruba alive for sex slavery.

      Doesn’t prove she’s still alive, but we may find out.

    63. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2007 1:07 am

      25 – Sherry

      I have always thought Rudy Croes looked like someone..like an elf or something..I cant quite put my finger on it.

      ***
      That’s part of his problem-o!

      He can’t put his finger on it either. All the
      prostitutes in his little blackbook are required
      to have above average eyesight. Have you ever tried to thread a needle without licking it first? doh!

      http://tinyurl.com/2bk9q8

    64. 10061906 on December 16th, 2007 1:49 am

      I don’t believe it either Richard. First Jaime states on June 17, 2005; “As to your question as to who Guido is, I answer you that he too is a friend of Joran’s. He regularly plays tennis with Joran at the Racquet Club. Joran told me that Guido is a coupier at the casino but he did not mention to me which casino.
      I have to remark Guido speaks funny and that according to me he is gay”.

      “As to your question whether I know a Spanish speaking girl named “Stephanie”, I answer you affrimative. She is a Columbian girl and according to me she is the girlfriend of Joran. According to me Stephanie lives in the hamlet of Moko but I do not know the number of her house”.
      Well I do check out Aruba white pages.
      By the way her last name is Croes and lives with Michele.

      Here is a name that has flown under the radar.
      “To your question whether I know the man named Max Arends. I answer you the following. He is a friend of Joran and he is also at the International School. According to me his name is Maximillian Arends”.

      My comments on Guido. Guido and Joran work to impress the female tourist, win their confidence and together win back some moneies the female tourist loose. Ruth: “can you win back some of the $360.00 of my father’s money I lost”. “I can try. $100.00 is the best I can do for you”. That is the max that Guido can skim to Joran without the pit bosses becoming aware of the deceit.
      Nope I wouldn’t say that Joran knows Guido at all.

    65. Gunslinger on December 16th, 2007 2:20 am

      #62

      Richard.

      There is nothing aruba can do to escape ‘total economic collapse’ at this point. The fat lady has sang her tune and left the island!

    66. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2007 2:22 am

      Hey Carpe!

      Rudy never could get that road kill he wears on his troll(ish) head straight could he?

      Not to smart we know from the get go letting it slip that he wants to “SHUT UP BETH” who is only wanting to know what happened to her daughter for crying out loud.

      This latest slip of his forked tounge that he wasn’t *WARNED*(??) about the rearrests speaks volumes on his wishing we’d all go away.

      Why in the hell would a minister of justice need to be WARNED about justice being served unless he never wanted justice served in the first place.

      Rudy you did get one thing right you freakish looking SOB……YOU & ARUBA ARE A LAUGHING STOCK TO THE WORLD!~

    67. martini on December 16th, 2007 2:27 am

      You all know that if the RV Persistance does not find Natalee, it is over. Aruba and the Netherlands have already closed this case.
      I had another dream, Natalee resurfaced, dead not alive. J4N

    68. molly in houston on December 16th, 2007 2:32 am

      #25 Rudy Croes looks like a bad leprecaun. No wonder he has to buy girls. He is too ugly. He is part of the perverted presence in Aruba.

      Boycott Aruba

      molly (in houston)

    69. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2007 2:39 am

      THE SHIP HAS ARRIVED ATO ARUBA TODAY???

      YAAAAAAAAAY

      Please God let these Hero’s of men (REAL MEN ARUBA) find Natalee and bring her home where she belongs. We’ve been disappointed so many times but in my heart i feel thats where they put her coz they NEVER thought Beth & Dave would ever have the means to search in the deepest waters.

      Thanks to all the people who made this voyage possible and to all of you guys for everything you’ve done for dear Natalee.

      I will be online as all of you, praying and hoping and waiting for the news that Natalee has been found. I love you all and will prolly cry my eyes out when she is found.

    70. Patti on December 16th, 2007 2:55 am

      Rudy Croes?

      He looks like a lion from the off-set but if one was to read his face, you would see that one side does not match up with the other. That, in itself, is a sign that he is all mixed up.

      Gee…

      I wonder what it takes to qualify for the job of Minister of Justice on an island that doesn’t have any. Aruba is controlled by the strong hand and will of the Arawak Nation… a sort of vigilantism that is based on the views of only a few; and, one that only services the needs of the politically connected.

      Again, Rudy Croes is a misfit. A man that has gotten into more than his share of battles. His face is a pit of scars. It looks like someone tried to gouge out his right eye with a knife.

      Look Close…

      Arawak!

      .

      Embarrassed?

      That’s the second time we’ve heard that word in connection with what happened to Natalee. I suppose that one might be embarrassed if they allowed a secret society to flourish on their island to the point where 97,000 out of 100,000 are involved in an activity similar to that which was carried out on her. If she died as a human sacrifice to the gods of a cannibalistic Nation, I’d have to agree with them both…

      That’s Embarrassing!

      They nailed it when they said that it would ruin their reputation as being a safe and happy island. Allowing the world to see what they did to Natalee would have exposed their practices of spiritism and witchcraft on innocent, virgin, boys and girls.

      You thought that by sacrificing the lambs,

      you would make your nation strong…

      And THAT will be the end of you…

      .

      Death to the Arawak Nation!

    71. Ray on December 16th, 2007 3:38 am

      IMO The way to solve this case is to WATERBOARD the the 4 preps. If an Arab Terrorist broke in 35 secs, then this group should not last more than 15 secs each.

    72. Ray on December 16th, 2007 5:52 am

      #65
      Gunslinger, I sure hope you are right.

    73. Reaver on December 16th, 2007 9:20 am

      #62. Richard.. again the Amigoe is NOT an Aruban newspaper, hence Arubans did not do the translation.

    74. Susan on December 16th, 2007 11:19 am

      I’m outraged at the Neanderthal man’s (Rudy Croes, is he a freak of nature or what?) pathetic statement!! Let’s make this perfectly clear… Croes received his warning over two and a half years ago!! NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, NO TOURISM FOR ARUBA!!

      Croes and Mos contradicting each other only proves, that yes, there was and still is a cover up in Natalee’s disappearance. I sincerely believe Hans Mos was trying to right a terrible wrong. But once again the corrupt government of Aruba stepped in to make sure it would never happen :-(

      Aruba, you have HARMED your own country internationally by not doing the right thing!! You only have yourselves and your corrupt government officials to blame…

      TO HELL WITH ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS!! Why anyone would want to vacation on the drug infested, poverty stricken, LAWLESS, third world country is beyond me…

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    75. Susan on December 16th, 2007 11:38 am

      Ray – IMO – a “full scale invasion” of the savage isle of Aruba is warranted ;-) The kick ass, takes name later approach is very appealing under the circumstances. Perhaps shooting or hanging ‘em at sunset with no blindfold and/or last meal would suffice!

      Either way, NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, NO TOURISM FOR ARUBA!!

    76. katablog on December 16th, 2007 11:54 am

      #45 Troll: “So for the know-it-alls regarding corruption the case got researched with full support of the FBI, KLPD and the dutch airforce for about 18 months.”

      What a crock! The dutch air force flew over Aruba once and it was a planned fly over having nothing to do with Natalee. The US FBI didn’t give full support – heck some ‘em walked off the island at such a farce – they were allowed to observe interrogations in a language they weren’t even familiar with! They were refused the right to dive right after Natalee went missing and the ALE fought tooth and nail to keep them at arms length.

      If any Aruban or Dutchy can stick their head in the sand now after Aruba’s minister of justice’s latest statement, it’s called sheer denial!

    77. minnesota dad on December 16th, 2007 12:32 pm

      ummmm Katablog….

      Don’t forget that the perp, Paulus Van Der Sloot, filed in court to restrict FBI involvement in the investigation of the murder of Natalee Holloway. Paulus’ black robed buddy with conflict of interest was more than happy to sign the order.

      STILL WAITING FOR THE ANSWER TO MY ONE SIMPLE QUESTION:

      Could someone from the Aruba Good/Joran Good/AHATA camp please provide for all of us here the definition of “Conflict of Interest” under Dutch Law-Aruban Style?

      Thank You!

      MD

    78. chris on December 16th, 2007 12:36 pm

      #35 Richard
      I asked that question eons ago,but nobody ever replied. One of the reasons that I don’t post much is that we really don’t compare notes, as much as we just like to see our names in print.
      Someone had to put up the money for the sale of the Internet Cafe, and wasn’t it a very special time when it transpired?

    79. brie on December 16th, 2007 12:58 pm

      Looks like somebody pressed Ruby’s forehead with a flat iron….and what’s he got stuffed in those cheeks?

    80. Nut44x4 on December 16th, 2007 1:45 pm

      Rumour has it that Rene van Nie purchased the Internet Cafe.

    81. Bob on December 16th, 2007 2:05 pm

      I trust ARUBAN corrupt government officials are semi-competant enough to understand that upon the finding of Natalee’s remains, be it in Aruban waters, or on Aruban land, the Nation of Aruba will disappear from the world community. It’s never been about just one “girl”, it’s always about being about justice. These sand pigs still think in terms that were acceptable 100 years ago, they never grew up with the rest of the world.

      I think a dozen 1 way tickets to Aruba for a few Al-Qaida refugees may just be the answer. Nothing like a few selective beheadings to reward unjust rapists and predators. No doubt about it.

    82. Sharon Chicago on December 16th, 2007 2:50 pm

      Hey Brie… looks like Rudy got some bad botox going on… also his Castro fake beard… He looks like he is ready for a costume party…or wants to join the menenites (they would not have him)!!!

    83. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2007 3:00 pm

      I’ve missed seeing your posts and understand the frustration when your questions arn’t answered. I am sure that if the answer to the question of just what the facts are on the sale of the internet cafe were known it would be shared with us.

      It is curious how the Kalpuke’s and their step father obtaining ownership of the cafe has stayed so low under the radar for all this time.

      Why is it so hard to find out this info? I know we’re talking about Aruba but arn’t realestate transfers supposed to be public knowledge as they are in the US, listing the buyer & seller and the price and the description of what property has been transferred in the public records.

      There are so many savy people on this board and i know if they had the info they would share it & prolly make it a headline on the board.

      Nadira’s husband has flown so low ubder the radar i can’t even remember his last name

    84. 10061906 on December 16th, 2007 3:04 pm

      chris: I tend to agree with you. What I like to do is throw something in the pot and see who can and what is add to it.
      Nut44x4: Another name for the list. Do you know who Rene van Nie is was?

      Here is something I’ve wanted to throw into the pot for a long time; give it a stir and see what comes out.
      In the Claussen Investigative report, they state that the bar tender at Moomba’s gave them the tip about the Lion’s Den, about Freddy taking pictures there and that is where they took Natalee.
      I don’t know if he was ever questioned; but does anyone think it could have been “Pitbull” and he committed suicide because of what he said?
      Excuse me to a phase someone else coined “CRUCIFRIED”

    85. brie on December 16th, 2007 3:31 pm

      #82…Sharon Chicago…Ha!Ha!…got that right…along with bad botox, peel off the fake beard, take off the fake hair and remove the false teeth….now you got a real piece of work!!!

    86. mommytraveler on December 16th, 2007 3:38 pm

      From someone who recently traveled to Aruba (not me):

      “The decline in tourism is obvious. No wait anywhere (except at the airport when leaving). Beaches were deserted.

      Re: The Cyberspace Internet Cafe on Aruba. The cafe is experiencing a decline in business as the hotels, airport, and other places become wireless hot spots. No need to go to those cafes anymore – especially for the visitors who bring their notebooks and laptops with them. The trend will no doubt continue, much like has happened all across the USA and Europe where there are no fees anymore to use the wireless connections. Just go to the internet cafe – there were no customers, just Deepak, when he is working, looking bored and stupid.”

      I just returned from Croatia – internet connections were free and available everywhere. The hotels even have computers set up in their lobbies – absolutely free to hotel customers. All the internet cafes have shut down. If its free in Croatia – it soon will be the same in Aruba.

    87. brie on December 16th, 2007 4:35 pm

      #83..Mayan_Moons….I believe Nadira’s husband’s last name is Ramirez but I don’t know his first name, nor have we ever heard one word from him or even seen as much as a picture…that is really strange.

    88. Helen Back on December 16th, 2007 4:59 pm

      The Addams family called…..they want “Thing” back!
      What’s he doing on Deepak’s shoulder?
      Who got photoshopped out of the pic, Freddy?

    89. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2007 5:28 pm

      Thanks brie! It is VERY strange how little info we have about this man. Someone correct me if i’m wrong nut wasn’t there atleast one pic of Rameriz somehwere like when tweedle dee and tweedle dumn were released from the jail the very first time or when the police searched his house that was caught on film? Which brings me to another question, we all know Paules house was searched…..somewhat but mainly just Jurine’s apt was searched due to the dishonorable Smid’s change in what to search after he ran off with his tail between his legs back to Curacao.

      But what i’m getting out now is i really don’t remember the Kalpuke’s house being searched at all at that time. Am i wrong about that? I just don’t remember much of a search done there but for pc info.
      _________________________
      SM: Yes, here’s one photo of him with the rest of the family:
      http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Kalpoestepdad.jpg

      (klaasend)

    90. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2007 6:11 pm

      Thank you klassend! I thought there was atleast one pic out there. I don’t say it enough but you are the backbone of SM, keeping everything running so smoothly for Red & Mrs. Red. I don’t know how you do it all but you do and do it so well.

      Hope i don’t sound sappy but i always say

      “Give credit is due”

      And thats to you!~

    91. brie on December 16th, 2007 6:24 pm

      mayan_moons…I appreciate you finding the picture…thank you…I guessed I missed the picture in the past…

      I don’t ever recall either the Kalpoes house being searched at that time. One would certainly wonder why not!!

      We also hear very little from Nadira, I remember one thing she said, “Everybody tells lies”. That was really a big help!

    92. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2007 7:08 pm

      brie….i didn’t find the pic hon klass did.

      but i will take credit for some wacky typo’s up there

      haha

    93. brie on December 16th, 2007 7:23 pm

      Scared Monkeys…Thank You Klassend, my apology, I’m sorry I thought Mayan posted the link…OOPS! That is the first picture I have even seen of Ramirez

      Mayan…thanks for your help in trying to find a picture…

      This is such a great group of people that work together

      If you see Santa make sure you tell him what we all want for Christmas…God Bless the water search, unfortunately they won’t be home for Christmas but I think for them if Natalee is out there finding her would be a blessing.

    94. brie on December 16th, 2007 7:32 pm

      mayan…you have a good sense of humor, that made me laugh!

    95. brie on December 16th, 2007 8:34 pm

      Tourism…..do you want to go the toilet for a vacation…There’s crap all over the place…do you like no safety, no protection, theft, rape, murder, kidnap, drug lords, illegal immigrants, illegal drivers, you name it they got it…Sun, brutal…sand, fleas, atmosphere, dengue fever, sea, full of dead bodies.

    96. 10061906 on December 17th, 2007 12:07 am

      brie: What you stated is exactly what we have to communicate to the rest of the potential travellers to Aruba. Emphasize boycott is a personal thing. No one is forced into that decision. But people have to be warned that there is a different face of Aruba then the one advertised; one that the mask is slowly being removed to show what it truely is.

    97. Patti on December 17th, 2007 12:39 am

      Rudy Croes…

      Hummmm….

      Does any one remember when he came out with a public address saying that anyone talking to the aliens on the internet was going to be considered a traitor? Two days later a young, dutch woman that worked for the local television station was found hung on her front porch; and then a young man, who worked with her, was hung outside his home, as well.

      Aliens….

      That’s the kind of scraps that Mr. Croes has a way of getting himself into. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Moes doesn’t come up over-dosing in a cave, somewhere, for not letting THE ENFORCER be notified of his every move. Obviously, it is his ‘personal’ responsibility to make sure that the island of Aruba remain one step ahead of that “bad reputation”… Afterall, what would the neighbors think?

      I agree with Mr. Moes, although it matters little what we think. It is the Minister’s business to run every single aspect of everyone’s lives on the island, and what? If they don’t succumb to his power, they’ll recieve a visit from the grim reaper, Croes, himself? Not that I feel bad for the people of Aruba… they do seem happy enough…

      .

      Boycott!

    98. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2007 12:40 am

      You’ve made me laugh a time or two aswell brie, of course we’ll never be thought to be comedy channel material as Carpe has (lol) but everyone here has made us smile or laugh just when we needed it the most.

      But make no mistake Aruba….Natalee is one of our own & we’re fiercely protective of her and her family that you’ve mocked and we’ve made a vow to make your lives & tourism a living hell until we get truthful answers and our girl back.

      Count On It!~

    99. Patti on December 17th, 2007 1:52 am

      brie on December 16th, 2007 12:58 pm

      Looks like somebody pressed Ruby’s forehead with a flat iron….and what’s he got stuffed in those cheeks?

      .

      This comment did it for me!!!

      LOL

      .

      Mayan, you’re right! It’s been a long, long ride on this rollar coaster and I don’t see anyone getting off….

      .

      Justice for Natalee

    100. Patti on December 17th, 2007 2:12 am

      The boycott against Aruba just keeps

      going,

      and

      going,

      and

      going.

      .

      Aruba:

      We say when it’s over…

      .

      Rudy Croes:

      Synonomous with foot in mouth disease.

      Don’t any of those Indians have any sense?

      We worry about Natalee…

      They worry about their reputation…

      Although if you look back on their behaviour over the past two and a half years, it seems that they don’t give a damn what anyone thinks…

      There’s more than just their reputations at risk…

      Aruba is going to lose it all.

      .

      Boycott!

    101. Diana on December 17th, 2007 4:02 pm

      #39 (Bob), All Posters,

      Speaking of those backwater bars in San Nicolas, many years ago my hubby and I happened across one of them one night when we ventured too far away from the main tourist area. At that time, it just appeared to be a little “cozy bar” with “couples” coming out. We couldn’t tell what was really going on until we ordered our drinks and the server started using “code words” for other drinks to my husband. This wasn’t an accident (server’s English was good), the server just kep repeating the same incorrect drink to my husband over and over again, and every time my husband corrected him. When he walked away, we payed more attention to the small hallway off from the dance area. There were a few more “closed doors” than just for restrooms if you know what I mean, and “couples” were coming in and out of them.

      That’s when we knew where we were and we GOT OUT.

    102. Dolf on December 18th, 2007 4:48 am

      to clear things.

      Yes its legal to be a prostitute BUT

      a) it has to volunterly
      b) you have to be a legal resident

      and in Amsterdam they are going to crack down on the illegal part (already doing it and stepping it up)

    103. Diana on December 18th, 2007 12:26 pm

      102 (Dolf),

      Yes, I know it’s legal in Holland (and that changes are being made), but where Aruba is concerned it still goes back to this — it too was operating unbeknownst to us. It should have bee openly communicated to their American tourists where this was happening so that we could make a choice.

      Not all of us want to walk into this type of environment when we are on vacation—sometimes it can spoil the whole experience.

    104. Anneke on December 18th, 2007 5:14 pm

      http://www.nu.nl/news/1360840/20/OM_seponeert_zaak_Holloway.html

      It’s over. The public prosecutor has decided not to continue finding facts and attempting to prosecute. This means Joran and pals are off the hook. Bad news for the loud and lousy press and Natalees’ camp and good news for the fools who think getting off is the only thing to be achieved. Any civil suit in the US will fail as the Aruban public prosecutor clearly stated he went to the limits of what he is allowed. So what will happen now apart from the US wanting to attempt prosecution will never take. You can not be prosecuted of the same crime twice.

    105. Tazman on December 18th, 2007 9:14 pm

      Rudy wasn’t warned?? Why would he have to be “warned”? Why does he not being warned change anything??

      Ugly man. Ugly hair. Looks like Renfro.

    106. just moma on December 19th, 2007 3:11 am

      Aruba is dumb and they think the US is dumber.

      You haven’t see the last of us.

    107. Dolf on December 19th, 2007 4:59 am

      Diana, that can happen everywhere

      I hate to wind up by accident in Harlem NY

    108. Diana on December 19th, 2007 1:33 pm

      Dolf,

      If you did you would have a surprisingly enjoyable time since Harlem has been revitalized and is the place to be now. I guess you didn’t know that.

      Even if it weren’t there’s still no merit in your comment because crime in the US is openly communicated; it would be an “enter at your own risk” CHOICE to visit. No surprises.

      And no arguments from me here because I’m not into that.

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