Rudy Croes: Holloway case Has Caused enormous Damage to the Tourism Economy of Aruba


The Natalee Holloway case has caused enormous damage to the economy and tourism of Aruba


Far be it from anyone saying that Rudy Croes is not quick on the draw. It has only taken nearly 20 months for Rudy Croes to admit the obvious … The Natalee Holloway case has caused enormous damage to the tourism and economy of Aruba. Quick_Draw_McGrawAt least someone has admitted it rather than the ridiculous spin that the Aruba economy is perfectly fine. Let us not forget that Prime Minister Nelson Oduber declared 2006 a productive year in Aruba.

However, let’s just clarify what that statement really means. If Rudy Croes blames the Natalee Holloway case for being the reason why Aruba finds itself in the predicament they are then what caused the case in the first place? The fact that Aruba finds itself still dealing with this issue is because of Aruba. No more no less. All the finger pointing toward the media or Natalee’s family just infuriates people even further.

It was the nepotism and cronyism that caused the damage to Aruba’s economy. Why was this case not handled in the same manner other cases would have been? Why were three suspects last seen with Natalee Holloway treated differently than two black security guards?

The fact of the matter is that we have reported on and followed hundreds of missing person cases that have had similar if not the exact same circumstances as the Natalee Holloway disappearance that have been solved. Some in only a matter of days. Not in Aruba. In essence, Aruban officials need to look no further than themselves as to who is responsible for their economic plight. They can look in the mirror and at three suspects for their woes

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  • Comments

    133 Responses to “Rudy Croes: Holloway case Has Caused enormous Damage to the Tourism Economy of Aruba”

    1. Richard on January 15th, 2007 3:53 pm

      So what are you going to do about it, jackass?

    2. Miss-Underestimated on January 15th, 2007 4:01 pm

      The manner in which the Natalee Holloway case was/is being handled is the cause for your loss of tourism asshat>>>

    3. Patti on January 15th, 2007 4:05 pm

      Why…. Richard?!?!?!

      I’ve never heard you speak like that!

    4. linda on January 15th, 2007 4:10 pm

      Hey Klaasend..How are you??
      Did you see the Diario today??
      Karin Jansen left..she is going to Holland..there was a nice pic of her and our friend Jossy in the papers…
      Anyway..have a good week..take care


      SM:   Hi Linda, I’m good and you?   Yes, saw the photo of Jossy and Karin in Diario.   The new prosecutor has been in Aruba a while now right?   (klaasend)


    5. Patti on January 15th, 2007 4:27 pm

      “Oh, Look Momma, this man has funny ears! Do you think he might be an alien? Remember, we aren’t supposed to talk to aliens or we might get… hanged.”

      Only in Aruba

    6. linda on January 15th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Yep,but still don’t know who he is or what his name is..I know he is dutch..but you probably have all that info..hehe.
      I mean you are my newspaper lately..Local and International news for me..great!!!

    7. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 4:36 pm


      We told you the answer long ago and many times:


      We said we would stand by Natalee and we did.
      AND WE WILL.

      Rudy, Get it through your thick head: you don’t treat ANYONE’S daughter the way you treated Natalee.

      The ONLY answer is J U S T I C E

      Can you read, Rudy? We know you can’t feel.

    8. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 4:37 pm

      Take action, Rudy.

      Don’t just boo-hoo.

    9. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 4:43 pm

      #1 Richard, your comment is priceless.

    10. Para2legal on January 15th, 2007 4:45 pm

      The kindest thing I can say about Rudy, et al is they’re all a bunch of a$$wipes.
      There I feel better.

    11. dennisintn on January 15th, 2007 4:52 pm

      i hope somebody got a picture of karin thumbing her nose and flipping off the island as she boarded the plane.

    12. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 15th, 2007 5:05 pm

      Who is the new prosecutor??

    13. ayfit on January 15th, 2007 5:07 pm

      Aruba could clean this case up if they wanted to.They simply don’t want to.SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!

    14. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2007 5:09 pm

      The answer as to why Aruba slid in to the
      dumper, Rudy Croes,

      sits on top of 19 Montanja!




      …and again, look no further than the serial lying,
      young tourist girl gangraping, murdering, blood thirsty
      VAN DER SLOOTS of Montanja Psycho Hill!

      They sit on their fat lying Natalee Holloway
      killing asses day in and day out, eating endless kilos
      of “Black Drop!”

      They spend
      the money that your
      sadistic government
      awarded them for killing and disposing
      of Natalee Holloway’s corpse & lying
      about it to everyone.

      Yeah, I said it….
      (on a bullhorn, if need be), ‘cuz
      it’s EFFIN TRUE.

      HEY RUDY?

      What was what the 30K AFL for?

      Funeral expenses and pain/suffering for the two
      ARUBAN DUTCH murdering rapists of Miss Natalee
      Ann Holloway?

      Yes, I would be referring to the FULL-ON PSYCHOPATHS
      @ 19 Montanja, Noord Aruba. OR AS I LIKE TO CALL IT…

      Ahhhhh Yes…. ARUBA

      Joran Van der Rapist and
      his SADISTIC molester father Paul Ass!!!

      Again, killers of Natalee Holloway.

      Two years of Karin Jaansen
      doing NOTHING has not
      changed these things!!!

      Two years of Nelson Oduber and Rudy Croes
      playing with themselves daily, have NOT CHANGED

      I thank you for your time,

      …and again, ef you very much! ;-)

      Enjoy the rest of your day.




    15. david r on January 15th, 2007 5:09 pm

      The crooked cops who let Joran and Paulus get away with this should burn in hell. Poor Beth. Anyone who travels to Aruba is a traitor in my books.

    16. Janet on January 15th, 2007 5:17 pm

      I believe that the reason the Natalee Holloway case has not been solved is because the implications reach far beyond the enormous hit to the Aruban economy through lost tourist dollars.

      I contend if Joran or Paulus Van der Sloot were to be implicated in the events of that fateful morning …. corruption involving those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations …. which encompasses prostitution, gambling, money laundering, pornography and drugs …. would be exposed.


      DIARIO Aruba

      ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

      His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

      He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

      DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks HOW HE CAN BE ACTIVE IN THE CASINO INDUSTRY OF ARUBA? HOW DID HE FIND A PERMIT TO WORK IN THIS BRANCH WITH THE BACKGROUND THAT HE HAS? HOW HAS THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE STILL NOT TAKEN ACTION AGAINST HIM. Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

      During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

      The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

      This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba.

      [translated by Getagrip]

    17. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2007 5:20 pm

      LOL, Richard!

      #1 – Short and pithy. Love it.

      #2 – U: ROFL asshat. That hat goes with his
      stylish hairdo!

    18. Tibrogargan on January 15th, 2007 5:24 pm

      The penny has finally dropped !!!!
      You could not accuse them of rushing into things and making hasty statements.
      Double our efforts, Monkeys, to get proper justice for Natalee and her family.
      Hi to Linda and Arubaanese – I really enjoy your posts as it is nice to see some level headed and realistic people from there.

    19. Leslie on January 15th, 2007 5:47 pm

      To echo what Richard said “So what are you going to do about it, jackass?”
      Business 101: a) Identify problem b) Solve problem.
      The ball is in your court now, Rudy Croes.

    20. Mortella on January 15th, 2007 5:47 pm

      I believe at some point Rudy Croes wanted to replace Karin Janssen and did replace van der Straaten with Dompig only to have the latter decision some how magically overturned. So is he now coming out and saying this finally because Karin J is leaving?

      Do we know the new Prosecutor? Same as the old Prosecutor?? Will the departure of KJ open up some doors that she has held locked in order to protect certain powers that be and her own job? Will she be rewarded in The NL for being a team player?

      Is this change going to make a difference in the evidence presented to the judges or is it far too late to even consider an actual case being brought to trial? Guess time will tell.

      But I do find the timing of R Croes suspect. He seems to have been waiting for KJ to finally leave. What next?

    21. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2007 5:58 pm

      lol at quickdraw mcgraw!

      last week we’re told that everythings great in Aruba, lotsa tourists

      Next day it was conceded aruba officials are stupid but has nothing to do with Natalee

      today Rudy cried *Uncle*

    22. Patti on January 15th, 2007 5:58 pm



      Who is the lucky winner of the Karin Jansen

      act-alike contest, and latest addition to

      the Just-Us Department?

      Please, do tell!


      SM:   KJ’s replacement has been in Aruba for a while now but I don’t remember his name off hand.   He most likely isn’t working on the NH case though because the Dutch investigators have the entire dossier (so we are told ;) ) (klaasend)

    23. Richard on January 15th, 2007 6:09 pm

      Well, finally got around to writing Her Majesty. Here it is:

      January 15, 2007

      Her Majesty Queen Beatrix
      Noordeinde Palace
      Postbus 30412
      2500 GK Den Haag
      The Netherlands

      Her Majesty the Queen:
      Your Majesty;

      It is reported that Karin Janssen, the chief public prosecutor of Aruba, has left the island upon the expiration of her employment contract and has returned to the Netherlands.
      This is the same Karin Janssen who, about a year ago, said “fireworks” were imminent in the case of Natalee Holloway, an American who vanished on Aruba on May 30, 2005.

      It is not surprising, given Aruba’s litany of promises that turn out to be lies and pledges that are never carried out, that yet another statement by an Aruban official turned out to be empty. After all, Karin Janssen did once say that “we are getting the picture of the puzzle,” and said that it was possible to prosecute a case even in the absence of a body.
      Unfortunately, neither those statements nor any other have urged Aruba to take action.

      I am taking the presumption of writing to urge upon Your Majesty my sincere belief that only determined action by your government now offers a possibility of solving this case.

      In 2005, a team of Dutch detectives visited Aruba and said they were certain that Joran van der Sloot knew what happened to Natalee Holloway. In August 2006, Aruba asked your law enforcement authorities to take over the investigation. Dutch agents went to Aruba, collected documents, and returned home. Since then, there has been only silence.

      It would be tedious to list all of the evidence that points to the complicity of at least some members of Aruban government and law enforcement personnel in a conspiracy to shield certain persons from prosecution and punishment. Allow me to cite some key items here:

      –The lead investigator at the outset of the case, Jan van der Straaten, was a personal friend of Paulus van der Sloot, the father of one of the three main suspects.
      –Prosecutor Karin Janssen delayed arresting the three main suspects, the persons last seen with Natalee Holloway, even as two security guards were arrested with no evidence against them other than accusations by the main suspects, who later recanted them.
      –Although Dutch law stipulates that lying as a witness is a crime that bears a penalty, the many lies of the three main suspects and of their acquaintances were never prosecuted.

      –The van der Sloot home, residence of a key suspect, was not searched for about three weeks, though the homes of the security guard ‘suspects’ were searched upon their arrest.
      –When the van der Sloot home finally was searched, Judge Robert Wit, who was there, prohibited Aruban police from executing the terms of their warrant, which allowed a full search of the house and property, limiting the search to Joran van der Sloot’s apartment.
      –Paulus van der Sloot was allowed to review and edit his son’s initial statement to police and had access to police files while the belated investigation was proceeding.
      –Despite the many contradictions in the testimony of the three main suspects and of their acquaintances, a panel of judges ruled that the three could not be questioned further except on a voluntary basis. A subsequent pledge by Aruban spokesman Steve Cohen that Joran van der Sloot would be re-interrogated was never carried out.

      Your Majesty, these are but a few of the issues that have perplexed and angered the American public. More than a year and a half after Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba, her family remain uninformed as to her fate. Aruba seems indifferent to this injustice.

      It is my unpleasant duty further to inform Your Majesty that this month another American tourist has gone missing in the Netherlands Antilles island of Saba. It is reported that officials of that island refused to allow missing-person posters to be displayed, citing fears of an adverse impact on tourism. This case remains unsolved as I write, but the indifference indicated by the island’s stance is highly suggestive of Aruba.

      Finally, may I remind Your Majesty that the case of Amy Bradley, an American believed to have been kidnapped in March 1998 from a cruise ship docked at port in Curacao, also is unsolved despite continued reports of sightings of her in apparent situations of duress.

      No American now expects honesty, integrity, or impartiality from Aruba’s government. We therefore must implore Your Majesty to ensure that your government will take active measures. It is a source of great disappointment that nothing but silence has been heard from the Dutch investigators, and has led to suspicions that no real action is planned.

      Your Majesty is aware of the courage displayed by Lamoral, Count of Egmont, who to his cost defied Spanish tyranny and championed the spirit of liberty. Likewise, the families of Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway have been pursuing justice, and defying modern tyranny, in an area of the world where Your Majesty wields extensive influence.

      May I conclude this letter by beseeching Your Majesty to instruct your government also to defy the tyranny and injustice exemplified by Aruban action and inaction, and to ensure that our two peoples will stand unified in our determination that justice be done.



    24. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 6:16 pm

      #18 Tibro, I like the way you think!

    25. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 6:25 pm

      #16 Janet

      You have well-thought-out posts.
      I hope you write to someone in power–either American or Dutch.

    26. Patti on January 15th, 2007 6:37 pm


      Perhaps I should take your lead and forget about the letter that I wanted to write…

      If we have to, we can use it later.

      Great Job!

      Boycott Aruba
      Was it something I said?

    27. Allan K on January 15th, 2007 6:40 pm

      Yes Rudy, its always somebody else’s fault. You idiot. It is the way you mishandled, the corruption, the cover-ups, the way you treated Natalee’s family,etc. Who else wants to face anything like that? Hey isn’t he the guy that was taking bribes from contractors?

    28. dkpen on January 15th, 2007 6:42 pm

      Joran Van der Sloot is a serial rapist and murderer.

      Serial killers start out with killing dogs then move on to humans. Known fact. He will strike again one day.

      hmmm Joran Van der Sloots girlfriend, Melody, broke up with him. He saw her with her new boyfriend crossing the street hand in hand. Next day or so Natalee ends up missing and presumed dead. Recently Joran Van der Sloots new girlfriend broke up with him. Authorities need to keep a close eye on Joran Van der Sloot. We wouldn’t want another accident to happen.

      Joran Van der Sloot is not innocent of murder. He not only helped in Natalee’s demise he also took another life when he was much younger. Yet another water incodent. While on a fieldtrip with his classmates at age 12 or younger, he got mad at one of the other children. He waited for no one to be around and pushed this child into the water. Just stood there and watched the child drown. When others came back looking for him Joran Van der Sloot pretended to be upset and started to cry saying he tried to help him but he drowned. Everyone felt sorry for Joran Van der Sloot because he was just a child. From my understandings, Joran Van der Sloot did this on purpose, with malice, because he was mad at his classmate. It was said to have been an accident and no further action was taken.

      Does this sound familar? Pushing a chollar off a bridge into the water because he was mad at him? Age 16 was when Joran Van der Sloot engaged in this violent and hostile action towards a chollar. Was it deemed an accident too?

      I wonder if Joran Van der Sloot did the same to Natalee. She refused his advances and drowned her then had help disposing of her body, claiming it was an accident, once again. Paulus Van der Sloot has a lot of experiance in defending his sons violent actions. No wonder he was placed in his own little shake of doom.

    29. Patti on January 15th, 2007 6:53 pm

      Dark Pen (?):

      Are you serious?

      What were the statements that were made regarding a drowning
      chollar during the investigation into the death of Natalee?
      Was this what they were talking about?

      Please… tell us more, I am fairly new here and have never
      heard of these things before.

    30. Big Lou on January 15th, 2007 6:54 pm

      AYFIT #13: I agree. They could clean this up IF they wanted to. But they DON’T. We are NOT any closer to answers today than we were 20 months ago. My fear is 20 months from now we will be in the same place.

    31. Sahara on January 15th, 2007 7:03 pm

      duuhh….big red truck! Rudy, I have been to the island, twice, and I saw a commercial on TV for aruba the other day and got sick to my stomach. Reap the wirlwind!!

    32. The Gigantik SuperFrantik on January 15th, 2007 7:10 pm

      As found on the Internet.

      Which Posner is this?

      iaposner -at-

    33. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 7:18 pm


      Are you serious about Joran pushing the other child into the water?
      I had never heard this story before.

    34. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 7:18 pm


      Are you serious about Joran pushing the other child into the water?
      I had never heard this story before.

    35. para2legal on January 15th, 2007 7:41 pm

      Scared Monkeys – all you have to do is post something about Natalee and the tiger in us comes out. We have to vent. We know an injustice was done and Aruba’s b.s. continues. Rudy will be talking about lost revenue until he retires. The new prosecutor will do nothing. Does any one really think Holland is in possession of the only copy of Natalee’s files? Of course not, that’s what Aruba wants us to believe. Baloney. More disinformation.
      Aruba is full of hot air and is a very corrupt government. But because our government won’t put pressure on them they are free to blow hot air up our arses and that’s what they’ve been doing all along. Hey if we’re frustrated can you just begin to imagine what Beth’s been through? I can’t.
      Since letters to Ms. Rice haven’t produced anything – how about the George. Richard, you’re so good at this, can you forward us a master?
      Yeh, Rudy said the island’s economy has basically tanked since Natalee went missing, BUT again, is he going to do anything? Heck no. Just more lip service.
      Has anyone heard anything else about Beth’s lawsuit with the slime bros? 30 days should be approaching for an answer/discovery.

    36. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 7:46 pm

      Richard, you write the best letters!

      I am still working on mine; have changed it several times!

      Did everyone see comment 28? Is this for real or is the commenter taking a page out of “The Bad Seed.”

    37. Kat_Gram on January 15th, 2007 7:48 pm

      Why doesn’t he do anything expcept state the fact ?
      Aruba sounds like a good place to gamble.. run by an ex ? ?
      Mafia guy with a police force that is useless. Internet Gaming is run out of there too. Must be an honest casino. ! ! NOT.

    38. ayfit on January 15th, 2007 8:02 pm

      I have seen this commercial several times.Turns my stomach as well.Come dance in Aruba,and never dance anywhere else.This island is the little brother to Venezuela.Should we ever expect justice?It’s going to be very difficult,as we have discovered.I don’t mean to sound negative,I want justice for Natalee as much as any of us,however it may be impossible.I will stop @ nothing,I will stamp a NO ARUBA sign on every dollar I recieve,I will encourage an agressive boycott on this awful place where the justice system is CORRUPT.The NO ARUBA stamp works quite well.When spending a NO ARUBA dollar,a conversation often happens between myself and the clerk.Often times there are several people around.[like in wallmart or home depot]People who are not familiar with this case,well,when I depart they have been schooled.Any office supply shop will order you a stamp,should you decide to do what I am doing.I strongly encourage this tactic.It’s quite fun as well.Be on the lookout for my NO ARUBA bills.Beth has one.I think.

    39. diverboy on January 15th, 2007 8:05 pm

      Wouldn’t be a surprise if they named Paulus Van der Sloot as the prosecutor. As for Rudy…he hasnt been the same since someone stole his hat and his pot of gold….”I want me lucky charms!”

    40. Maggie on January 15th, 2007 8:09 pm

      This is like blaming the sinking of the Titanic on the people who lost their lives and the families they left behind. This is why noone trusts them,or believes anything they say. They contradict each other in statments continuously. Remember Natalee a paying tourist last seen in the company of 3 locals leaving CnC’s and never seen again?

      Who will miss Karin Janssen? Noone ever saw her, she didn’t even have the backbone to face Natalee’s family and talk to them about what was going on. She probably went back to Holland to share an apartment with Joran. Not long ago before Dompig was off the case, he said Karin Janssen would never work with him. What kind of investigation is that?

      Anita and Nadira what kind of girl would get in the car with your sons? It just goes to show what you think of your sons. What kind of mother sits down and tells the mother of a missing child, all kinds of sexual graphic details about what her son did with the missing child only to have the son say later it didn’t happen?

    41. realtruth on January 15th, 2007 8:42 pm

      it also destroyed george bush and the republican party – remember the verse of a prayer:
      thy will be done on earth, as is done in heaven
      the state department turned its arrogant nose to civilians only helping oil companies and the american public turned its nose on the republicans.

      remember george’s famous quote – there’s an angel in the whirlwinds, well – george went for greed

    42. IndyDan on January 15th, 2007 8:45 pm

      Good riddence KJ. I hear they have a picture window reserved for you in the Red Light District so you can sit and diddle for the Dutch boys like you did in Aruba.

    43. justinsmama on January 15th, 2007 8:47 pm

      Yup, that Rudy Croes is both a quck and accurate study! *heavy sarcasm*

    44. Richard on January 15th, 2007 8:48 pm

      I’ve written to George a number of times, but nary a reply. Ditto with Rice. About the only replies I ever got were one from the Dutch prime minister (I wrote two letters to him and he referred to them both … I was floored … it sounded like he’d actually read them) and one letter from Aruba Tourism Authority.

      Oh, yeah … I got one letter from some guy in Aruba who said he was a “choller” (drug addict) who knew what happened. I sent that on to John Q. Kelly.

      Remember, folks, Aruba is coming to Boston in March to host some gala thing at the Boston Globe tourism festival. Rumor has it that Nelson Oduber will be there.

      I’m planning to show up and protest.

    45. Richard on January 15th, 2007 8:49 pm

      In re comment #28, I’ve heard this story circulated, but don’t know if it has been proved to be true.

    46. IndyDan on January 15th, 2007 8:51 pm

      #28 Dk:
      It’s just a matter of time before someone elses daughter is raped and murdered. Someday he won’t have the help of corrupt Aruban Dutch to bail him out and the world will see what a true monster the VanDerSloots created.

    47. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2007 9:05 pm

      LOL diverboy #39

    48. yoyo muffintop on January 15th, 2007 9:07 pm

      dkpen is in fantasy land. But I am sure within a weeks time, some will be saying “We know he killed someone when he was 12″. Gotta love the internet…

    49. Patti on January 15th, 2007 9:10 pm

      George Bush is an arrogant putz just like Rudy Croes… they can admit the results of their mistakes but not the mistakes themselves.

      If the Dutch say that Paulus was treated with preferential treatment, that means that he was allowed to interfere with an investigation. Can the ones that treated him with preferential treatment also be charged with impeding justice? I hope, I hope…

    50. dkpen on January 15th, 2007 9:16 pm


      Peter De Vries announced on his show from his investigation on Aruba about Joran Van der Sloot pushing the chollar off the bridge when he was 16 yrs old. Nothing done about it. Claimed the chollar was bothering them and made Joran mad.

      If I had access to the Obits in Aruba from back in the early to mid 90s I’d be looking up any and all children living in Aruba who drowned and from there on try to get Peter De Vries to look into that also. Or a private investigator on the very young child Joran Van der Sloot pushed into the water and caused to drown. If they didn’t remove all that info from their records yet. Or the family of the child hasn’t moved off of that sick island yet.
      God bless them~

    51. realtruth on January 15th, 2007 9:16 pm

      In reading the comment by #35 – the Republicans went downhill after the of case of Terri Schiavo (brain stem death – stated by PH’d doctors) from Florida whom Jeb Bush supported and got the Whitehouse involved up to March 31, 2005 when she passed away. George’s brother Jeb campaigned nationally and after the public outcry the Republican party decided to never again get involved in the support of US citizens, ever. Total ignorance and stupidity – they pick and choose the wrong battles, and they loose all their battles – for a vote, not from the right thing to do.
      The problems is they are dum leaders, they didn’t beleive a Ph’d that Terri’s brain was dead, they went with a small group of pro-life supporters (money) and doomed every other american who needed help. The Republican party turned their nose on every citizen and ignored the human rights violations of Natalee Holloway and many others.

    52. realtruth on January 15th, 2007 9:23 pm

      a little insight – george’s daughter was busted in austin, texas for drunk in public? maybe it was drunk while driving and she has no record – pure corruption.
      al gore publicly lied, george is just tadful more slimely.

    53. realtruth on January 15th, 2007 9:27 pm

      when i pass, if i have to hang at heavens gate and delay my rise to heaven to keep kicking george out i will do so.

    54. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 9:29 pm


      Why don’t you ask DeVries to investigate the age 12 Joran incident anyway?
      Just send him what info you know. DeVries is easy to contact. Just go to his site and click on “Tips…”.

      And maybe Jossy would be happy to help De Vries.

      This is too important to let it slip by.

    55. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2007 9:44 pm

      OF ARUBA’S most recent speech-


      Oranjestad, Aruba – Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) said in his new year’s speech that ‘all citizens of Aruba’ are responsible for themselves, for their family and for their country. He wished that in 2007, everybody treats each other with more solidarity, understanding, and toleration.

      CARPE-FISH TRANSLATION: Every man for himself, see yaaaaa!

      “2006 was a very productive year”, said Oduber.


      He said that his government is a ‘trendsetter’ and he complemented the private sector that according to him, had done everything to contribute to the economic development of Aruba in a positive and constructive manner.

      CARPE-FISH TRANSLATION: He considers ‘POSITIVE’ calling those nasty Aruban Business Owners A Bunch Of ‘NOT TAX PAYING MOFOS!’

      He quoted a few events in 2006, like the celebration of 20 years Status Aparte and 30 years Flag and National Anthem. These are historic facts that make us realize how Aruba has developed herself in the past decade. He also said that it was an honour having welcomed Queen Beatrix to Aruba. He also mentioned the meeting with the Dutch government and the agreements between the two countries to work together on the immigration policy, the finances, and Justice.

      We Need Some More Money Again, We’re DUTCH!!!!

      more lies here-

      This man is laughable. I think more people would be laughing, but they’re too
      busy cryin’.

      Come DANCE IN ARUBA????????????

      I think not. More like, come D-I-E in Aruba and
      get buried in the Van der Rapes backyard under
      the new pool deck!

      Go 2 HELL ARUBA. Go to HELL, Go to H E double-friggin
      hockey-sticks. Over it!


    56. Joanne on January 15th, 2007 9:50 pm

      Is this a picture of the real Croes or something from Madame Tussaud’s Wax Museum?

    57. yoyo muffintop on January 15th, 2007 9:50 pm

      #50, I thought I had heard it all.
      -1, if you are believe what De Vries said, you are also to believe Natalee was using cocaine. Do you believe that?
      -2, your second paragraph is so silly, it’s impossible to even comment.

      And realtruth, since the Dems now control congress, we should see some action from them regarding this case, right? Surprised it wasn’t the first thing they started working on.

    58. realtruth on January 15th, 2007 9:54 pm

      #23 – natalee will never be forgotten and those that ignored her parents pleas will suffer equal consequences according to bibical law. that was a beautiful letter.

    59. realtruth on January 15th, 2007 10:08 pm

      f u yoyo muffintop – we’ll meet one day, i know you, but you not know me.

    60. Rob on January 15th, 2007 10:09 pm

      Rudy- The truth always was the Truth. Ask Betico. Bet he’s real proud now.

      You and your cabal have destroy it all so fast.

    61. tuyvnsurvivor on January 15th, 2007 10:24 pm

      No one can doubt that if it had been Urine missing, to the precise same ends as Natalee, he would have been located quickly. How quickly? Less than the shelf life of a big mac. Now that is what a prospective Aruban tourist must give a thought.

      Don’t want to over cute though, my continued regrets to Natalees wonderful family that has been to such battle over this. Natalee would certainly be proud.

    62. JusticeforNatalee on January 15th, 2007 10:30 pm

      Since Richard got a reply from the Dutch PM,
      I’m going to CC the PM on the letter to Queen B.

    63. Bob on January 15th, 2007 10:35 pm

      Yo, Rudy………wait until the next email campaign starts on February 1st. 10,000 mass emails will be sent to travel agencies, airlines, cruise ships, hotel corporations, high schools and colleges all over the U.S. Guess what the emails will say and request on behalf of justice. Surprise!

    64. Patti on January 15th, 2007 10:39 pm

      Dark Pen:


    65. nychic on January 15th, 2007 10:44 pm

      Janet -

      This statement from your post is so telling…

      “The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.”

      and #32
      “iaposner” could very well be one in the same as he has many aliases including “Irv” – as we well know…but why ?

      And it seems Posner is living back in Chicago – but was recently in Aruba playing all night blackjack – anyone have any pics from this event:

      “The first annual Caribbean Poker Classic was held at the Excelsior Casino, located at the Holiday Inn. Casino owner Mike Posner, an American who still lives in Chicago, and tournament host and organizer Bonnie Damiano were on hand to greet players and make everyone feel welcome.”

    66. nychic on January 15th, 2007 10:58 pm

      Here is that pic of “Irv” Posner now:

      Only Thing – This was Taken on the Streets of NYC almost
      20 Years Ago – What Is Posner Hiding ?

      How Much does he Contribute To The Politicians In Aruba ?
      Jossy Seems To Think Quite A Bit !

      Even Janssen stated to Beth that Posner gave the Sloots a
      “Huge Line of Credit” At The Excelsior – If He Has Nothing To Hide – Why Deny The Line To Paulus ? Big Deal Right ?
      Again – Unless There Is Much More To It ??
      Money Laundering Scheme – Big Time ! Bet On It !
      So Many Early Comments Alluded To It !

    67. Patti on January 15th, 2007 11:01 pm

      #63 – Bob:

      Hey! Good to see you still at it… let me know what I can do. I have a fax machine and would be glad to help.

    68. hammer on January 15th, 2007 11:10 pm


      That’s a terrific post.

      Thank you.

      And a big “THANK YOU” to the brave American soldiers, sailors and airmen protecting the good ol’ USA tonite.

      God Bless Natalee Ann Holloway.



    69. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2007 11:46 pm

      Rudy Croes: Minister of Justice

      More Like

      Rudy Croes: Minstrel of Justice

    70. yoyo muffintop on January 15th, 2007 11:53 pm

      nychic, got a link to your Posner/VDS “huge line of credit”? Never seen that but would love to. You put that in quotes so I am sure you have the link. Embellishing a bit don’t cha think? I guess you are now getting your facts from Rita Cosby.

    71. yoyo muffintop on January 16th, 2007 12:04 am

      #59 – are kidding me? How about tomorrow night – come on over at 7pm and have a beer. You come on a topic about Rudy Croes and you start slamming the republicans and OUR President and his family, then throw a veiled threat out to a response you didn’t like? Grow up.

    72. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 12:12 am

      Jan Peter Balkenende

      Is he the current PM? Wasn’t he supposed to step down?

    73. mayan_moons on January 16th, 2007 12:39 am

      You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet Rudy!

    74. Mike on January 16th, 2007 12:54 am

      Hey Rudy,

      No Shit, Sherlock!!

    75. yoyo muffintop on January 16th, 2007 1:02 am

      Being Martin Luther King Jr. day, here is his famous speech:

      We still have work to do, but we are getting there.

      God Bless America

    76. nychic on January 16th, 2007 3:01 am

      yoyo -

      If Beth Twitty said it Happened – I Believe Her
      She Has Absolutely No Reason To Lie -

      Are You Calling Rita A Liar As Well ?

      Posner Admitted Making The Phone Call To Beth -

      I Understand Posner Was More Than Furious When That
      Partial Casino Video Was Shown to The World -

      Again – Why Would He Be So Furious ?
      Why Will He Not Allow His Picture To Be Taken ?
      He Must Be In His Late 70′s By Now –
      I Suppose He Does Not Want To End Up Back
      In Prison For The Few Years He Has Left -

      Someone Must Have A Pic From That Tournament -
      Maybe I’ll Check Ebay !

    77. nychic on January 16th, 2007 3:07 am

      yoyo -

      FWIW – I Also Happen To Believe What Red Writes

      here is your link:

    78. Richard on January 16th, 2007 5:58 am

      JusticeforNatalee, Balkanende’s party was returned to office, but it was a very narrow thing. Judging from what I’ve read, the Dutch government is in a situation where nobody seems to have a clear voter endorsement; the situation is fragmented. One might say, Balkanized.

      Don’t know how much that matters, though.

      In re Posner: we all know that the Caribbean is rife with banks that in essence are there to launder drug money. Moving cash through casinos is another mob tactic.

      So, by the way, is the emphasis on tourist businesses. Why? They bring in a lot of cash, and allow for opportunities to launder money.

    79. Richard on January 16th, 2007 6:05 am

      One thing I meant to include in that letter but forgot:

      Joran van der Sloot sent an e-mail to Greta van Susteren saying that “someday, but not now” he would tell everything that “really” happened that night. I think he said that night “on the beach,” but few people now believe they ever took Natalee to the beach. Whatever the case, the e-mail was printed on her blog.

      And recently, Paulus van der Sloot said he wasn’t telling everything that he knew about the case because to do so would hurt some people. Whether that’s the case, or whether it’s a veiled threat (actually, I think it’s pretty obvious), I can’t say.

      But these comments both suggest perjury to me. The mere fact that they can make them and, once again, Aruba sits back and does nothing is indicative to me that something is not well in the tropical paradise of Aruba.

      Hey, Rudy, aren’t you supposed to be minister of justice?
      Try to define the word ….

    80. Richard on January 16th, 2007 7:26 am

      Thought I’d post this article here as well as in the relevant (Missouri) forum. Remember Tanya Kach? I confess that I didn’t … but she had, according to this, run away at age 14 with an older security guard. At some point her status apparently evolved to that of hostage, and she was missing for TEN YEARS.

      None of us can fathom the psychological factors at work, though the idea that threats can cow someone is clear enough.

      Just more food for thought, perhaps, in the cases of Natalee Holloway and Amy Bradley.

      Tanya Kach Weighs In On Missouri Kidnapping Cases
      (KDKA) McKEESPORT Last week two Missouri boys were found alive after being kidnapped by the same man and for one local woman relating to this story is very easy.

      Ben Ownby, 13, was missing for four days while Shawn Hornbeck, had been gone for four years.

      Charged in the boys kidnapping is 42-year-old Michael Devlin.

      One local woman can connect with this story after she was allegedly held against her will for a decade.

      Tanya Kach was just 14-years-old when she ran away with Thomas Hose, a security guard at her school who allegedly held her against her will in a bedroom of a McKeesport home.

      “Both seem to have been held psychologically captive as opposed to more physically restrained,” Lawrence Fisher, Kach’s attorney says.

      After returning to her family nearly a year ago Kach has been undergoing therapy.

      Fisher says she has been paying close attention to the Missouri case.

      “She said ‘My heart goes out to that boy I know exactly what he’s going through,’” he reports.

      He says Kach doesn’t find it hard to believe that Hornbeck never tried to escape his captors since psychological control is factored into the case.

      “She was psychologically tortured,” Fisher says. “She was told that if she left she’d be killed and she reasonably believed that Hose would do that to her.”

      Fisher says that like Kach, the boys in Missouri will have major adjustment to make once the constant media coverage ends.

      “Tanya has her GED, she has her driver’s license and tomorrow she begins college,” he adds. “That’s great, great strides, on the other hand she remains in therapy and remains with some difficulty adjusting to this life that she hasn’t known for 10 years.”

    81. super dave on January 16th, 2007 7:58 am


    82. Ruddy on January 16th, 2007 8:26 am

      Aruba is protecting bad news!

    83. Miss-Underestimated on January 16th, 2007 8:29 am

      In regards to post 28 I recall in a statement of one of his pimp buddies, his pimp buddy said that Joran got mad and push a chollar off the bridge. I did not recall hearing the chollar drowned. But that wouldn’t surprise that if this happened, that it was kept secret.

    84. Miss-Underestimated on January 16th, 2007 8:43 am

      79. Richard, I have been asking that same question, also I recall that he stated that on the Current Affair interview, words from his own mouth on the telly.

      If they cannot bring him in on this, WTF good is their system, that as Arlene says, we don’t understand.
      Also remember Deepak telling Joran, that night that Beth and Jug came to the island, Deepak telling Joran he doesn’t have to tell them anything? Anita asking why Natalee got in the car with her son, what was Anita inferring? Anita saying her camera was taken during a search of her home, a search wenow know did not happen, most of these were said on TV, words from their own nasty mouths.

      Rudy ministering misery to his citizens, making them pay the price for lack of toursim. Aruba, hey, look what the Dutch elite have done to your island.

    85. vicki on January 16th, 2007 9:18 am

      How incredibly IGNORANT of you IDIOTS….how stupid can you pigs be??? You will NEVER RECOVER.. My children know not to go there and my grandkids will know and their children… I SWEAR LIERUBA.. you will NEVER recover.. You filthy LIARS have destroyed to many lives… your own ppl are so SAD AND ANGRY they are KILLING themselves in the streets and beaches…. YOU ARE CURSED FOREVER…I BET KJ COULDNT WAIT TO LEAVE…hahahahahahahaha she got the last laugh on you guys on that island…..SHE IS FREE while you all stay there and ROT

    86. Meee on January 16th, 2007 11:04 am

      There’s also something in the paper on Paulus. Anyone translate.

    87. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 11:29 am

      Decision Due on Appeal Regarding Money Awarded to Paulus:

      “Some say the decision could come sooner, but the official word is that it will come on February 6, 2007 in the morning.

      Yesterday the supreme court handled the case in which the Prosecutor’s Office appealed the case in which mr. P. vd S. was awarded over Afls. 50.000,- in a case where the judge agreed that there was no reason for his detention. When the Prosecutor’s Office appealed the case, the lawyers for vd. S. also did the same.

      The Prosecutor’s Office, defended by mr. Jorg insisted that vd. S. was not entitled to any money, since there were reasons to detained the person, but the lawyer for vd. S. mr. Swaen refused this and said that the amount due is nothing compared to the damages his client suffered during this ordeal.

      The three judges will evaluate the case and the decision made in Curacao next month.”

      Courtesy MF/FOB and Debbie/BFN

    88. vicki on January 16th, 2007 11:32 am

      GREAT NEWS PPL- spoke to my guy{our guy] in DC and they are going to make a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT on their website and it will be concerning the CRICKET WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP and the whole carribian but especially LIERUBA… UNSAFE it is…HURRAY…..within 30 days..

    89. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 11:50 am

      #88 Thanks, Vicki.

      You are THE woman!

    90. Oren on January 16th, 2007 11:56 am

      Aruba is fine.The tourists packed the island during the holidays.Tell people not to go somewhere and it just makes them want to go.I can not wait to go back.Remember any publicity is good publicity and your boycott is a aruba!


      the riu is the place to stay,but I hear the Westin just got a facelift and is pretty nice also.


      SM:   According to Rudy Croes Aruba is not fine (klaasend)

    91. Janet on January 16th, 2007 12:02 pm

      Richard: Fantastic Letter!!!!

    92. Janet on January 16th, 2007 12:13 pm

      70. YoYo, will these quotes do?

      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ for Sept. 19th
      COSBY: What about Michael Posner? There’s this gentleman who owns a casino where Natalee and Joran were seen spending time. Apparently, Joran has a big credit line there. I went into that casino. What do you know about the guy that owns that casino, Harold?
      COPUS: Well this guy has that casino. He’s alleged to have organized crime ties back to Chicago. And you can say alleged, he’s actually served time. He’s been convicted. So he comes up into Aruba and is able to get a gambling casino. At the same time, we’re told that Joran and his dad both are gambling there. It really makes you wonder how that’s happening and how they got this line of credit.
      COSBY: Yes. And a big, big line of credit. Beth, I know you’ve actually been to the casino, right? And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct?
      HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to-you know, I’d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don’t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ for April 3
      JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

    93. Janet on January 16th, 2007 12:17 pm

      76. nychic, you are correct …. Posner was not happy regarding the release of the casino tape by ABC News that appears to reveal Paulus Van der Sloot conversing with Natalee Holloway.
      Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

    94. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 12:36 pm


      Rudy himself disputes your claim.

      Tourism is down, BIGTIME.

      We have beautiful Westin Hotels in the U.S. in many appealing cities.
      We don’t need to go to Aruba.

    95. yoyo muffintop on January 16th, 2007 12:42 pm

      Super Dave – I think most agree that ALE bungled quite a bit from day 1, including me.

      And nychic/Janet – Rita Cosby saying big line of credit does not equal Janssen saying “huge line of credit”, which was my point. It Rita Cosby’s words for heavens sake. Line of credit, yes. “Huge” line, no. It is PVDS that has the line, not Joran.

    96. Richard on January 16th, 2007 1:05 pm

      Thanks, Janet (#91). But Vicki’s news is much more exciting.

      And remember, anyone who writes to anyone … copy in the Aruba Tourism Authority, 1200 Harbor Blvd., Weehawken, NJ 07087.

      Can’t hurt to include the Dutch Embassy, 4200 Linnean Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20008

      And putting a “Boycott Aruba” sticker prominently on the envelope will help make your (our) point!

      BTW, Vicki … can you send that news to Jossy Mansur?

    97. Richard on January 16th, 2007 1:07 pm

      Interesting, too, that Aruba is still dithering about the van der Sloot money (#87, Justice for Natalee). I remember that Karin Janssen appealed the verdict, but thought that it had just gone sub rosa, so to speak.

      “the amount due is nothing compared to the damages his client suffered during this ordeal” … think you suffered damages, from the ditch? Just wait….

    98. vicki on January 16th, 2007 1:08 pm

      95 BUNGLED?????? are you freakin nuts. They let URINE go free. if it had been 2k alone then 2k would be in jail. Since URINE is involved they let them WALK. Got It???
      READ POST 88 guys.

    99. Richard on January 16th, 2007 1:09 pm

      Yoyo (#95) … considering that PvdS evidently arranged for his son to gamble in the casino, CONTRARY TO ARUBAN LAW, it seems highly likely that his son can tap the credit line … perhaps up to a pre-set limit.

    100. minnesota dad on January 16th, 2007 1:29 pm


      So, it appears that someone has finally listened to MD with regard to voiding/reversing judgements made to protect and insulate Paulus from his crimes.

      The biggest problem, and how this all fits into Aruba’s cover-up, is that the clock is ticking towards May 30th, 2007, when all suspects will be released.

      February 6th will be when the decision is made. That only unpeels the first CONFLICT OF INTEREST judgement — They then need to get the judgement that cleared Paulus as the suspect lifted. Another long process and trust me…Paulus and his attorneys will do anything possible to stall this case as long as possible.

      With Paulus once again a suspect, the gloves can come off (that’s hockey talk), and the fight begins. 2K need to be charged with kidnapping and rape. They will turn and rat out Joran and the main perp…Paulus. Joran and Paulus, will bring down the pimps (Guido, Jeffrey, Koehn, etc.) and government actors who covered up will soon follow.

      Again, the clock is ticking in Aruba and I am not sure if they will be able to get the deeds done….but this is how this case can be finalized— start by pulling Paulus back in. MD

    101. Janet on January 16th, 2007 1:33 pm

      95. Yoyo, the issue is not the size/amount of the line of credit that the manager of the Excelsior Casino, Michael Posner, afforded Joran Van der Sloot …. the issue is that this UNDERAGE young man should never have been permitted to step foot in the establishment. Think about it … if Paulus Van der Sloot had not abetted his son in an illegal activity and the Excelsior Casino had not provided the line of credit …. Joran and Natalee’s paths, in all probability, would never have crossed. An eighteen year old American citizen paid the ultimate price because those who had a legal and moral responsibility to insure that Joran respected the boundaries of Aruban/Dutch law failed big time.
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ for April 3
      JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.
      You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.
      COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant-why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?
      KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

    102. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 1:48 pm

      Posted by Klaas on the inside:

      Posted by MF at FOB regarding the new prosecutor 1/16/2007:

      She’s in charge now. However she was on special leave when the whole Natalee Holloway case happened, where media and family members wanted for the island of Aruba to ignore all laws and regulations to satisfy their demands in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

      The Prosecutor Ms. Lugo will now handle the case as of yesterday. She was the person that should have been handling the case. Ms. Janssen left the island after a formal complaint was brought forward against her at the prosecutor’s office.

      Posted by MF regarding the complaint filed against KJ 1/16/2007:

      I have scattered information about the complaint…. but as soon I get it… I might post it. A proces verbaal should be ready within 2 weeks.

    103. Tazman on January 16th, 2007 1:58 pm

      Ugly looking guy Rudy!! You pay special attention to that beard and the neatness of your hair and you haven’t taken care of business. You know that Aruba’s tourism has a foul smell to it. You know there are many other beautiful places in this world to go on vacation to and people aren’t kidnapped, raped or murdered. You had plenty of time to solve this case. Bring the criminals to justice. Walk the walk, don’t talk the talk Rudy. Get the job done Rudy!!

    104. Patti on January 16th, 2007 2:00 pm

      Dark Pen:

      Are you going to send that tip to deVries? If not, please let me know, okay?

      I think that it would be better if you do it because you know so much more about it than I do. But if there is some reason that you don’t want to; then, please, let me know, okay?



      Way to go! I am so happy for you! You have been posting here and pouring your heart out for Natalee for a long time. We all thank you from the bottom of our hearts.


      Yo Yo Muffintop:

      I love that name and I love your post. Martin Luther King taught us all to love one another, by example. He didn’t just have black supporters, but also white. He, more than anyone, built a bridge between the races and taught us all to dream… he taught us humility, as he didn’t hold himself above others, even though he could have. He was one of the most intelligent leaders we have ever had and we will forever be grateful for the many sacrafices that he made to insure us, all, a better world.


      Justice for Natalee

    105. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 2:30 pm

      To contact Jossy

      He will get it. Just put ATTN: JOSSY in subject heading

    106. Libby on January 16th, 2007 2:33 pm

      With regard to post #87…this has got to be tied in with the cover up…it just has to be. Either that or it is just another delay. They are NOT going to go after Paulus or J2K. They just aren’t. There are too many involved. If the pop Paulus the perp and his son and the 2 k brothers…too much corruption will be exposed. I think it is a delay tactic…blowing more smoke up our a***** etc.

    107. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 4:37 pm

      posted by Klaas on the inside:

      On Dec. 22, Beth’s attorney in CA filed papers–trying to have different judge hear case

    108. Maggie on January 16th, 2007 5:05 pm

      If Paulus don’t like casinos then why would he have a line of credit in one?

      VAN SUSTEREN: Were you there earlier with your father that day, or had he left or…

      VAN DER SLOOT: My father doesn’t like casinos at all. He doesn’t want me playing in casinos at all, either. But I convinced him to come that day to the casino and play that tournament because he – because it was a free tournament. I said, I have the chance – I want you to come with me and you can just play one time and see how it is. So you see, you know, why I go play, too, because it’s just a social thing. It’s a – it was a fun thing to do.

    109. JusticeforNatalee on January 16th, 2007 6:02 pm


      Tourism is going to get worse
      after the soon to be made US public statement that


      Then it will be official

    110. Molly on January 16th, 2007 6:36 pm

      What is Karin’s new job in Holland? Sitting in a large window in Amsterdam? lol

      molly (in Houston)

    111. mayan_moons on January 16th, 2007 6:53 pm

      Hey vicki!

      That is the best news! I can’t wait to see it!

      thank you hon!

    112. super dave on January 16th, 2007 9:06 pm

      oren: you must have been born yesterday !

    113. Richard on January 16th, 2007 9:09 pm

      Is it the filing (I don’t know if that and a “complaint” are one and the same) by Beth’s attorney that led to Karin Janssen’s leaving?

      Seems funny to me … funny in the sense of dubious … after all, a complaint in and of itself is not conclusive.
      Methinks something more is going on.

    114. Skyboxx on January 16th, 2007 10:27 pm

      Holloway has caused the island damage????? What

      The Island (and its incompetent leadership) has caused society and more importantly the Holloway and Twitty families damage.

      Talk about your screwballs!

      Give us the truth about Natalee Holloway and we will give your tourism back. No Natalee, No Tourism dollars!

      Put that on a tee shirt Carpe!

    115. Mike on January 16th, 2007 10:40 pm

      #110 Molly,

      I do not believe anybody could get that desperate. (or horny)

    116. nychic on January 16th, 2007 11:56 pm

      yo ho -

      Did You Happen To See Maggies Post #108 ?

      That Is UNBELIEVABLE (as DickPik would say)

      Hey – Remember That Pic Klaas posted Months Ago
      Of Old Man Sweaty Sloot Standing In Line At The
      Excelsior Waiting To Sign Up For A Poker Tournament
      Way Before That Interview Maggie Was So Nice To Retrieve ?
      Didn’t Like To Gamble ? What A Load Of Crap(s) !

      I Think What Jipshit Really Means When He Says He
      Was Trying To Convince Paulus To Try Tx Hold’Em Poker
      Was That He Was Convincing Him To Get Involved In The
      Game With Guido – Working For Posner –

      And Let’s Not Forget “Elvis” –
      The Guy Who Provides The Sloots With Cash At The Casinos

    117. Carpe Noctem on January 17th, 2007 12:40 am

      Lol will do skyboxx. #114


      Love it… ‘JIPSHIT.’

      That is a hybrid word.

      Much like Tofurkey, Shim and Wussy!

      Joran + Dipshit = Jipshit

      YAH MAN.


    118. Carpe Noctem on January 17th, 2007 12:42 am

      A poor workman blames his tools,

      Mr. Ghetto Booty Rudy!

      We are over YOUR LUCKY CHARMS, and they were NOT

      magically delicious. -J4N

    119. yoyo muffintop on January 17th, 2007 2:53 am

      nychic – so you embellished a little, no big deal.

      Now put your thinkin’ cap on – do you really believe the person who masterminded an almost 2yr cover-up of such gigantic proportions would be silly enough to say he was somewhere else when he was actually at a casino knowing that they have cameras everywhere. Come on now…

    120. dkpen on January 17th, 2007 3:22 am

      I sent the information to De Vries a couple months back as well as the person who knows more about this info than I. I have yet to hear from De Vries on the subject.

    121. SUPER DAVE on January 17th, 2007 8:03 am

      even if the truth came out today, aruba is done for. they have shown their true colors. life as they know it is over. this dump will always be known for this crime and it’s presence will never go away. too late for them to try by just saying that the case has an effect on aruba.

    122. SUPER DAVE on January 17th, 2007 11:39 am


    123. minnesota dad on January 17th, 2007 12:57 pm

      Super Dave,

      You have to actually look at the legal reason for why Paulus filed the lawsuit and why Paulus’ black robed friends protected him.

      As I understand Dutch law, when the courts gave Paulus his $30k award, it was not about the money.

      What it really was about was placing another peel on the onion and distancing Paulus from his crimes.

      Now, to clean up this mess, the $30k award must be reversed….then, the “No Longer a Suspect” judgement becomes the next target….and will take several months.

      What Paulus (with the help of his friends) has created a ‘time delay’ for getting to the bottom of this case. With May 30th quickly approaching, it is highly unlikely that Aruba will reverse both of these biased decisions before they declare the case closed and release all suspects from suspicion.

      It is sort of like our “Double Jeopardy”. Paulus cannot be pulled back into his crimes because the courts have already ruled he isn’t a suspect. His home can’t be searched, he can’t be hassled.

      The only way to solve this whole case is to have all judgements VOIDED/REVERSED and Paulus gets brought in. They can only do this by pointing out the OVERWHELMING CONFLICT OF INTEREST….which, so far, no one has the guts to do. md

    124. Patti on January 17th, 2007 1:07 pm

      Dark Pen:


      Just because DeVries hasn’t said anything about it yet, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I believe you. There are lots of Arubans that know little about the case, that think that Natalee drowned… and there are many that say that we need to look at the police when we speak of a cover-up.

      They live there! They know the history of Joran as well as the history of their police department. Perhaps, they are right about both.

      Boycott Aruba

    125. Patti on January 17th, 2007 1:41 pm

      Minnesota Dad:

      I agree with you. The point that you make about the onion. Paulus, educated in law, knows that the more mistakes that are made by the court, the harder it is to get to him.

      Paulus, being aware of the fact that Karin Janssen was accusing him of interfering with the investigation, filed this lawsuit against the government in retaliation and knew that his black-robed friends would back him.

      So, the court’s opinion is, for the time being, that Paulus did NOT interfere with the prosecution; but rather that he was falsely accused and detained. The opinion, given by the court, boiled down to the Aruban courts giving him a “get out of jail free” card.

      How can the People of Aruba, then file “OBSTRUCTION” charges against Paulus if this decision stands?

      Paulus, knowing the legal system and how it works, covered his ass by filing his lawsuit against the Aruban authorities, thereby making it impossible for them to file any injunctions against him in the future. That is why it is so important that the case be reviewed and over-turned.

      The Dutch have given their opinion when they said that they find that Paulus was treated with preference and it is my guess that the judgement that he got against Aruba will be over-ruled by a higher court.

      For me, knowing that the wheels of justice turn very slowly, I am hopeful.

    126. Dan in Tx on January 17th, 2007 1:48 pm

      Folks, Red and Tom are spot-on about the real cause of this loss of tourism. The problem is, the Aruban people seem to have trouble understanding that the reason the investigation is in such sorry shape is directly due to the MEP not allowing competent, impartial, honest investigators to handle the case from Day One.

      I feel that as long as the MEP is in power, there will be no answers in Natalee’s case. Barring the Netehrlands taking over the whole island by force (fat chance given that license for crime called Status Aparte), nobody but the Aruban people can oust the MEP or force them to give us what we demand.

      We need to figure out how to get this message to Joe Aruban.

    127. tazo on January 17th, 2007 2:48 pm

      I have been to Aruba, I will never go there again, they have absolutely no regard for human life. My vacation dollars will be spent in Hawaii from now on . . .

    128. Patti on January 17th, 2007 3:46 pm


      Right On! American’s have a choice where they go to spend
      their vacation dollars. Aruba will soon find out that we,
      the American People, stand united.

      Boycott Aruba

    129. Maggie on January 17th, 2007 4:43 pm

      Right on NY CHiC.. big line or small line of credit, why would he need one at all if he didn’t even like casinos or go to them!

      As for kids kidnapped and found, everyone of them found we have followed here, Elizabeth Smart, the 2 boys and the girl who was held captive were in the custody of the ones who originally took them from the start, not passed on to someone else. None of them came out with the story Oh I had no condoms and left her on a beach to look at stars at 3am and ran off without my shoes. He took off his shoes to walk down the beach to the Fisherman’s Huts , yet in his interview with cbs, early morning retracing his steps with a reporter, he was wearing shoes in the daylight. Nothing they say has any logic, because it didn’t happen. They’ve all been proven repeatedly to be liars.

      Carpe.. Natalee wanted to stay and look at stars/no stars and I can fly. More ways to victimize Natalee over and over.

    130. Patti on January 17th, 2007 7:17 pm

      New York Chic:

      Explain to me, how these money laundering schemes work and
      how having a line of credit at a casino would assist you in
      washing your dirty money? I’m not saying that I don’t buy
      it… I just don’t get it.

      Also, what is this I hear about the Minister of Health and
      Sanitation being arrested with cocaine and $250,000 in cash
      which he used to buy his freedom from a Venezuelan jail?

      Are you saying that these drug dealers use the casino to
      launder their money? In other words, the casino reports the drug money as money taken in from people’s losses at the black jack tables when in fact, the money is drug money
      derived from illegal sources? Then what? Does the drug
      dealer receive his cut of the money that is being laundered
      as a line of credit and/or as gambling winnings?

      Is that how it works?

      Why do you think that Paulus called the casino the morning
      after Natalee disappeared?

    131. super dave on January 17th, 2007 10:59 pm

      i just read on the net about Laura Bush attending a conference on missing & exploited children and even though
      John Walsh’s name was mentioned, there was no mention about Natalee Holloway or the dangers of traveling out of country.
      i know she knows about the case and it would have been a perfect time to bring up this case in another country.
      i just hope our country was serious about posting a travel advisory to the Carribean area and especially Aruba.

    132. super dave on January 17th, 2007 11:11 pm

      yes, come dance in aruba and take the chance to never be able to dance again. can’t dance without legs and arms. come dance and pray you get to leave with your life !

    133. nychic on January 17th, 2007 11:51 pm

      Patti -

      Money laundering is the conversion of money derived from criminal activity to hide its illegal origin. For Example, Criminals can spend $10,000 of illegal money for chips, gamble a little, trade the chips back in for new, unmarked money and deposit into bank accounts.

      Having A Line Of Credit At The Excelsior Casino – Joran and Paulus Could Obtain Their Gambling Cash Directly From Someone At The Casino When They Walked In

      In Joran’s Statements – He Alludes To Immediately Making Contact With “Elvis” Upon Entering The Casino To “Collect”
      Money That Was “Owed” To Him – Joran Also Speaks About Cashing In Chips Repeatedly In One Night -

      It Was Stated By One Of The Mountain Brook Students That Joran Was A Horrible Poker Player and That They Saw Him Lose A Lot Of Cash -

      Paulus Calling Guido About Winnings Is Just The Most Suspicious Thing Of All – Not To Mention Paulus Calling the Casino – Who Calls Casinos ?
      Maybe For The Lost-n-Found or Inquiring About Their Hours ?

      What Was Said Between Guido and Posner In That Meeting ?
      Right before Guido Hauled-Ass To Holland And Somehow Retained The Most Expensive Attorney In The Netherlands – Gerold Spong ?

      Yes, It Is Interesting…

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