RSSAruban Prosecutor Mos & Officials Gutless … Release Suspects and Now Want to Close Case of Natalee Holloway without Prosecution
First the Kalpoe brothers were released, then suspect Joran Van der Sloot was released. Now Aruban prosecutor Mos states that he will close the case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway by years end. The cruel and despicable actions of Aruba continue against the family of Natalee Holloway. Why would anyone continue to drag a family through this horrendous nightmare and provide false hope?
Attorney John Q. Kelly of New York said he expects an announcement later this month that there will be no prosecution of van der Sloot or the other two suspects, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were released Dec. 1. Kelly represents Beth Holloway and Dave Holloway.
“The report of significant new incriminating evidence was misleading,” Kelly said. “It was the same evidence or lack of evidence they had from the very beginning.”
Kelly said his clients would not comment on van der Sloot’s release. Telephone messages left Friday with the Holloways were not returned.
Authorities re-arrested van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers Nov. 21 after finding what they described as “new incriminating evidence” in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.
“It’s all a dog and pony show,” Kelly said. “I guess they thought it would be good PR to show they were still working on the case. But it amplifies the fact that they mishandled it from the beginning and continue to mishandle it.” (AL.com)
After all this build up, claims of new evidence and re-arrests, Aruban prosecutor states, “he will close the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway by the end of the month unless his office finds that there is enough evidence to charge someone with a major crime”.
The prosecutor, Hans Mos, said he would not comment about the kind of evidence his office is reviewing but that he does not anticipate finding Holloway’s remains and prosecuting a case without them would be “very hard.”
“We promised the suspects that after Dec. 31, we will not pursue the case,” Mos told The Associated Press Friday. “This investigation should end at a certain point.”
You sick and pathetic gutless examples of human beings … your job is to prosecute crimes. Not give up. Your job is also to prosecute suspects for what ever crimes you can, no matter if it is murder, manslaughter, rape or kidnapping.
The major crime was committed by all in Aruba that purposely botched this case. It is criminal that prosecutors will not even do their job.
Aruban authorities say they will officially close the Natalee Holloway case by Dec. 31 unless they find evidence that a “major crime” was committed.
Posted December 9, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Beth Holloway, Crime, Dave Holloway, Deepak Kalpoe, John Q. Kelly, Joran Van der Sloot, Judicial, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 121 comments |
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“We promised the suspects that after Dec. 31, we will not pursue the case,” Mos said. “This investigation should end at a certain point.”
Just this statement by itself is absolutely incredible. In fact, it is unbelievable. This statement alone demonstrates the man’s INCOMPETENCE and INDIFFERENCE and that what has occurred in the past 10 days has been nothing more than THEATRE. A SHOW. For US.
Since when is a prosecutor beholden to a suspect and when are deals made with suspects when those suspects have given nothing in return?
This is the best the Dutch can come up with?
This guy needs to remember who and WHAT he’s supposed to be fighting for. And justice does not seem to be it. Mos is washing his hands of the case because he can’t be bothered. To Hans Mos, if the case isn’t EASY TO SOLVE, then IT ISN’T WORTH SOLVING AT ALL.
“It’s all a dog and pony show,” Kelly said. “I guess they thought it would be good PR to show they were still working on the case. But it amplifies the fact that they mishandled it from the beginning and continue to mishandle it.” (AL.com)
I have always felt Aruba hired their government officials from the pool of ‘jobs from the mentally impaired’ and this just solidifies my thinking.
To actually THINK that bringing this case back into such heavy light ‘to show they are working on it’ only makes many Americans despise them more. It appears that when God was handing out common sense Aruba was on the bottom of the list. Aruba really needs to have compentency checks for everyone working in their government and espeically the PR people. This island WILL sink and its own government is the one shooting the wholes in the island to help it sink faster.
Oh, I agree Nurturer….I COULD NOT BELIEVE MY EYES when I read that “he promised the suspects”. What the hell? I sure hope that the RV will get there soon and they have a suspicion of where to find Natalee. Could be the only shred of hope for to stop this incompetence! It sickens me to no end.
Not enough evidence, Mos? Hello! Plenty of circumstantial evidence.
Not enough forensic evidence? Well, guess why not, Mos?
ALE gave the suspects a ten-day free pass and failed to collect crucial forensic evidence in a timely manner–meaning RIGHT AWAY!
Mos, you thought the suspects would fess up? Was THAT your strategy? Come on, did you apply any pressure? Did you even
think about prosecuting those who derailed the case?
And Hello! (again), Mos–If you can prove the suspects moved
A BODY, why can’t you find out HOW and WHY there IS a BODY?
Hey, KLPD, why didn’t you investigate the corruption in this case?
“Since when is a prosecutor beholden to a suspect and when are deals made with suspects when those suspects have given nothing in return?”
Excellent, point, Nurturer.
Geez, Mos, let’s not inconvenience the suspects in any way. After all, their lives must go on while
NATALEE’S DOES NOT.
NO CASE/NO GUTS
NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS
Having read a few comments on Gretawire, I am stunned at how ugly(and ignorant)people can be. How can anyone support the statement that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers are “innocent” or had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance and death?
If these guys are so innocent, why did they lie and lie and lie some more?
Why did Paulus tell them: “no body, no case”?
What would Joran get 15 years for according to Deepak?
Why did Anita know the details about Natalee’s underwear?
Why did one of them confess “something bad happened”?
Where are Joran’s shoes and why did his shoe size change so rapidly from a size 14 to an 11?
Why does every interview that Joran’s ever given contain contradictions from all other interviews?
Why would Joran write a book about a girl he casually met and left on the beach hours later?
Why did papa sloot need to meet with Joran, Deepak and Satish to get their stories straight if they all had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance?
Why did Deepak need to find a lying witness if they’d done nothing?
Where’s the guilt from the three for getting two innocent guys locked up?
Why was there a confession and retraction?
Just what was going on with the painting of the rocks?
Why was Paulus looking up the affects of alcohol and drugs on the Internet BEFORE Natalee was reported missing?
Why are these people so angry that they must smear Natalee’s name? She’s dead for goodness sakes!
Where is the heart and sympathy from Aruba?
Why does Aruba quote over and over what they supposedly did to search for Natalee (including the F16′s already scheduled to fly over Aruba)?
Why did van der Stratten tell us he’d seen the evidence and he knew Natalee was dead?
Why were the first questions from police to Dave about the amount of money he had?
Why did Paulus “confuse” the time he picked up Joran by originally stating 4:00AM, only to later change this?
Who IS that man in the casino that looks like Paulus?
Mr. Mos and his corrupt, inept, incompetent crew have firmly secured Aruba’s place in the center of the bullseye.
NO PVDS TIMELINE = NO SOLVED CASE
period.
KLPD/MOS – Why do you keep refusing to investigate PVDS’ timeline for the night of Natalee Holloway’s murder?
You show just how disengenous you are regarding solving this case by your lack of tracking down Paulus on the night of Natalee’s murder.
KLPD = Corruption
ALE = Corruption
MOS/JANSSEN/STRATEN = Corruption
MD
Hey, Mos, why don’t you prosecute the Kalpoes for moving a body? Don’t you think that might get them to SQUEAL if they are headed to jail and Joran is free?
Mos, so lame, so lame. Did you really want to get justice?
BTW, one more question: Did Joran have his cell phone while in jail? Inquiring minds want to know.
Not trying to sound ungrateful…truly….but I wish the RV would have left a while back. Time is of the essence…but God Bless them for their efforts. I pray they find something and, by the way, if they do, let the USA do the forensics for heavens sake!
Are you kidding? Joran probably had a manicure, pedicure, a massage a hot tub and a harem. I also wondered if there were any “hidden” messages in the Bible he received. No doubt in my mind!
Hans,
If you were any bigger of dick…
It would require a permit from City Hall.
—
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et4BGTl_kAc
11. They will never the USA help, it would uncover the total corruption there in Aruba.
Mos was the puppet for the Hague.
Typical of Aruba, but theY should never underestimate the power of justice.
This was the final nail in the coffin of Aruba, it only proves No body no case in Aruba.
When we were at the book signing with Beth, I think Lil Puma and KirsG will remember when I asked her if she thought there would be any resolution and she said she thought Aruba would close the case and the perps would walk.
After Mos’s last Aruban torture event to the family. I can not imagine having the family of Natalee’s hopes brought up to an all time high, only to have Mos inflict another deep and gaping wound to the family. How utterly barbaric this island is.
Let if be a lesson, DO NOT GO TO ARUBA, IF GO MISSING AND ARE NOT FOUND, NO JUSTICE WILL EVER BE SERVED.
BOYCOTT ARUBA YOUR LIFE WILL DEPEND ON IT.
MOS, DON’T LET THOSE PUPPET STRINGS CHOKE YOU.
This situation with Aruba and Holland is so disgusting that there are no words to describe it. We should have passed Holland during WWII. Just how sick can people get?
This is my final posting but I will never let go of Natalee or the fact that Aruba killed her.
Justice was blinded by Aruba.
There are two reasons why Natalee cannot be found.
One: she is alive and being held captive somewhere.
Everything that followas is my opinion based on information that has been released..
Two: Natalee has passed on.
There were injuries to her that forensic evidence would lead to either her abductors or injuries she sustained; so she had to disappear.
It is more difficult to convict someone if there is no body.
If she is alive where is she? She could be any where in the world.
If she is dead where are her remains?
Are they in the Ocean? If she were taken out on a boat then more are dragged into the story.
No: When asked Joran tells us she is not in the sea.
Is she buried near the Fisherman’s Huts? No the ground is too hard to go below at least six feet: a back hoe would be required.
Was she cremated? It is a possible, but then more are dragged into the dirty secret.
So what is available that a body could disappear with the minimum of effort?
A ready made grave or crypt or a hole in the ground like and air shaft to a mine are a few.
From Satish’s statement. “I took it that he meant, if a corpse is found evidence could be found on the corpse that could lead to our arrest”. (some guilt is implied here). Sounds like Paulus knows the Kalpoes are only involved with driving Natalee someplace and is trying to implicate/intimidate them in what happened.
It is more like a threat. I know what happened to Natalee while she was with Joran; I know you guys only drove them around. I will get you attorneys but you have to stick to the story that you dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach and don’t know anything more”. If not I can make you hang for her murder and burial.
Satish continued.
“This is not the first time that we have dropped young American girls off at their hotels, with we I mean my brother, Joran and I. This means that they have a taxi globe and impersonate a taxi cab.” Each weekend Joran is with us.” But just how many would fit in Deepak’s taxi? Maybe six persons at best.
Maybe only one drugged girl plus the three.
“Deepak and I dropped Joran and the missing girl at the beach north of the Marriot”.
IMO Joran then transferred Natalee into a waiting car or pick up truck and off to another destination.
There is also a reference to bringing a camera to Freddy.
Satish then blames Joran for Natalee’s disappearance.
That is where the K2’s leave the story.
At the time of Natalee’s disappearance; Jaime states that loco Stef is Joran’s girlfriend. However no where in Joran’s book does he mention her.
Joran says that Jaime’s father is never around for Jaime but Jaime says he picks his father up from work every night. Sounds like Joran and Paulus more then Jaime and his father.
Jaime states through Freddy he met Joran. Usually Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander and me go out together. We go to Carlos and Charlie’s, Bahia, Tandra; etc. He knows Koen and Sander for over a year, plays poker (poke her) with them but does not know their last name.(?)
Sounds like they all had sex with a Natalee but at the time they did not know her last name; if you use “Thoughtprints”.
Joran mentions that Madison is hanging out with her boy friend and that Natalee and Ruth share the same twin bed and describes the room and room number.
Sounds like hidden cameras at the Holiday Inn and Van Cromvoirt could handle that. Perhaps Natalee sleeping with Ruth in his mind constitutes them being lesbians because men would not sleep that close together least they be called gay.
From Deepak’s statement.
“Joran was at that moment in time with a friend of us named Guido in the casino.”
So much for Guido saying he does not know Joran. Guido also hangs out with Andre. Deepak says Guido talks a little funny and may be gay. This was before Guido’s lawyer said that Guido was innocent because he is gay. He was the only one charged with heavy battery. Aruba did not want Guido back for murder; Posner wanted him for skimming the casino with Joran at the black jack tables.
(As an aside why are locals only permitted so many days in the casino. That makes no sense unless they are there money laundering.)
Remember Deepak says that Joran could only win back $100.00 of the $360.00 that was lost either by Ruth or Natalee. Joran says that $100.00 is the best he could do. How does he know that is the best unless that is the amount Guido can loose without arousing suspicion from the pit boss?
I could go on and on; but here are my final thoughts on what happened to Natalee. She was given a roofi by Satish at C and C’s. Remember Natalee, Joran and Satish disappeared for a while and Deepak could not find them. She was told that her friends that left earlier were already at a party and Joran would take her there when C and C closed and then afterwards take her back to the hotel.
The four left C and C’s and headed towards the Lighthouse. On the way they went to a secluded road near the Marriot where Joran helps Natalee out of Deepak’s car. The Kalpoes leave, because there are no girls for them. The friends had left C and C’s earlier then Natalee.
As Deepak pulls away there is a security guard dressed in black. Remember he added that to the story. Geoff could have had his VCB security uniform on and he and Joran placed a drugged and injured Natalee in his pick up.
They then proceed to take Natalee to where they will use her at the party. By this time Natalee realizes she is in trouble but then the roofi kicks in and she falls asleep on the way towards the Lighthouse (MALMOK)(?) Now where is this other party. How about Koen’s house.
Waiting there are Koen, Sander, Freddy, Max Arends Guido some of the local girls and girl friends and look who shows up but Joran’s girlfriend Loco Stef. Natalee enters the party half drugged half drunk. Joran throws her on a bed. Some how she gets Sander’s phone and gets off; “I don’t even know these people”. Of course not she expected to see her girl friends there; but they were back at the hotel.
They take Natalee as she is coming in and out of consciousness from the choke hold administered by Guido. He knows just how to do “Something Dreaming”
While this is on going Freddy is video taping everything.
From Deepak’s email. “We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead, she was seen with two guys, her hair is cut and is red now.
Who killed Natalee? IMO someone who is just the opposite of Natalee’s blue eyes and blond hair.
Out of jealousy for Joran having sex with Natalee; willingly or not; IMO: Stef cuts Natalee’s hair and maybe stabs her with the scissors or hits her with something.
Her hair is now red from blood stains.
She is loaded in the back of Geoff’s pickup on a mattress from the Gottenbos. Remember there was no inclination that a crime happened there so the Gottenbos home would not be searched. Remember Alexander, Koen’s father would not permit the police to requestion Koen. Sander claims his phone was stolen so he would not have to account for Natalee’s cry for help. The Gottenbos had no plans to but they sure got off the island fast. Remember the wife even had a dress shop. Remember Williem von Cromvoirt also sold his business and left the island. Paulus being in the legal system has no reason to leave because he is untouchable! Some how Van der Straaten sees a dead Natalee; Maybe he was called by Alexander before they took Natalee away.
Geoff and Joran place Natalee in Geoffs pickup and drop Natalee into a mine shaft. They then want to distance themselves from the scene. On the way to Logo Colony and Grapefield Beach they stop in Santa Cruz and Joran calls home. They continue to San Nicolas and get rid of the shirt, glasses, foam and bottle of cleaning fluid. Geoff drops Joran off at school and he sleeps there while Geoff drops off the mattress at Grapefield Beach and returns home to Paradera.
Shortly there after Geoff gets rid of his pickup and has a walk along the beach with another girl from C and C’s. Geoff notices the VCB and when Natalee’s name is mention; he immediately shuts up and takes the girl back to her hotel and leaves.
Basically you have a drugged injured girl; kidnapped and taken to the home of a Dutch Nataional; was raped and may have been mutilated by a jealous girlfriend and her body disposed of down a mine shaft.
“This (kidnapping a drugged tourist) has happened at least twenty times before and nothing ever went wrong. Most of the time they take the girl back to her hotel (Satish) to have sex with the incapacitated tourist in a hotel room (Joran).
If this is what happened how could Aruba resolve this case?
Well, this is typical Aruba. Only thing important is tourism. Tourism was down this year. So to make the figures rise and put some money in the coffers, they decided to pretend that there was “new evidence” and fake out that they were serious with prosecuting our 3 perps. To give it a “faux frosting of truth” they insisted that the parents of Natalee come to Aruba. Wow, it worked wonders — the News media flocked to Aruba, filling those empty hotel rooms and spending tons of money in Aruba’s eateries and watering holes. A great way to make the budget break even. This was Aruba’s “merry christmas” gift to itself a little early !!!!
Oh the Holloway case — well it was the perfect time to announce that they had promised these young men that they would not be bothered again with the police questioning them about that “beastly girl that put such a damper on their lives these past few years –how dare she to have died when they were just having a little fun with her.” Aruba is going to sweep it under the rug, like it originally planned on doing if these hateful parents hadn’t put up such a stink. Oh well. All’s well that ends well for the “important” people of Aruba and I might add the Netherlands
Mos made a promise to the suspects! (That’s a bucket of bullsh$$) So, you-arrested them with no evidence, knowing the defense lawyers would require them to be released and then made a promise the case would over by Dec 31st. Also the judge, who is a personal friend of Paulus was permitted to make the final decision.
#14 Miss-U: You are right. Those were Beth’s words. It is so sad that she had to endure more at the hands of Hans Mos.
SHAME ON YOU ARUBA!
Aruba’s Coat of Arms
1. Aloe represents the first source of wealth for the island
2. The outline of “Hooiberg” hill symbolizes Aruba arising out of the sea
3. The handshake represents the friendly ties Aruba maintains with other nations and peoples
4. The cog symbolizes industry as the island’s main source of progress
5. The cross in the center is the symbol of devotion and faith
6. The lion atop of the Coat of Arms represents power and generousity
7. The laurel leaves are symbols of peace and friendship.
http://www.aruba.com/about/coatofarms.php
http://www.fleurdelis.com/meanings.htm
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SM: Who cares? (klaasend)
Why did you even bother? Look at all the time you had to come up something, especially timelines, atm withdrawals, computer searches from the Sloot’s, all in the morning of Natalee’s disappearance. You didn’t do squat! Except to add more to the agony of her loving parents.
Nobody is in charge of this case. For one, why doesn’t Kelly make arrangements to speak to the Koen creep in Georgia? I so damn tired of those pieces of s+*t in Aruba and jerking the Holloways around I will personally kick their ass if I see any of em.
Will forever persuade and do my utmost to sink Aruba and Dutch. Will forever remember this travesty of justice and make sure others don’t forget.
I need a body to make sure Natalee is dead instead of serving some Arab Sheik, or some other perverted sick individual.
Hell we all know who is guilty! Paulus isn’t nothing but scum along with Anita. Is that degenerate still teaching school? Aruba is going downand well deserved too. And yes Aruban it makes me happy to see you go down.
martini that must be what you drink. The flag is normally flown up side down.
Blood on the rocks
Aint no surprise
Pour me a drink
And I’ll tell you some lies.
http://tinyurl.com/23bnom
-j4n
Aruba’s Coat of Arms
1. Aloe represents the first source of wealth for the island ( a close second is taking advantage of tourists)
2. The outline of “Hooiberg” hill symbolizes Aruba arising out of the sea (along with 3 missing USA tourists in Aruba)
3. The handshake represents the friendly ties Aruba maintains with other nations and peoples
(( I am sick of this case, Oduber, I don’t rule shutting the mother up out, Natalee wasn’t a virgin, she was an alcoholic, Muzzlehead, Natalee wrote me a letter and said she ran away, Paulus, He put the girl on the beach snickers, Anita, Looked like a slut, dressed like one, Deepak and Joran, that girl died on her own drugs and buried herself Dompig.
4. The cog symbolizes industry as the island’s main source of progress ( Or underage men praying on women at Carlos N Charlies and underage men drinking and gambling with their parents in casinos)
5. The cross in the center is the symbol of devotion and faith ( What happens in Aruba, stays in Aruba including bodies)
6. The lion atop of the Coat of Arms represents power and generousity ( power to put some in jail and let others walk because of who they are.)
7. The laurel leaves are symbols of peace and friendship. ( too funny, Yeah I hear Straten and Paulus are good friends)
Mos pet the little demons “the suspects”….par for the course on satans island.
This all will come back on the guilty … they will eventually confess … they will be haunted by what they did….one of them will crack…
Time is on our side…
Also read this
They were the last people known to see Holloway before she vanished on the night of May 30, 2005. All three, who have denied any role in her disappearance, have been arrested several times – the latest arrests coming last month – but released after different judges ruled there was not enough evidence to keep holding them.
Mos told the AP he will drop the case unless prosecutors in his office agree before the New Year that they have strong enough evidence to go to court.
He said he imposed the deadline himself earlier this year because he feels two years is a reasonable amount of time for bringing charges against someone.
Mos said he and the Holloway family feel pursuing a minor charge “doesn’t serve a purpose.” A person convicted of making a body disappear, for example, would serve only six months in prison, he said.
The search for Holloway spanned more than two years and involved hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets laden with search equipment.
“We have a strong conviction that something happened that night, and that it was a very serious thing,” Mos said. “The question is whether we are able to prove it.”
He said he does not anticipate ever finding Holloway’s remains.
“It’s very hard to try a case without a body,” he said. “It’s not impossible, but you need substantial evidence that somebody was killed.”
I do love it that Fox and CNN were bashing Aruba on how they handled this investigation….
So Mos and others should feel the backlash since they are all incompetent and drive this dog and pony show…and I am tired of Greta mentioning several times that poor Karen Jansen, we should have maybe blamed her boss since he was calling all the shots and we did not know this (para phrasing what she said). Karen did nothing for this case just like all the others with their teamless effort.
Hope they feel upset by our news media painting them out to be so stupid and ignorant.
Sad Sad outcome, Games again, can only hope now for informal street justice. Death for the subjects involved is my wish . the Kalpoes, All three VDS’s
Prayers for Natalee’s family and All that truly had a positive attitude and attempted to help about this young woman’s death .
Joran will move to Amsterdam and he’s going to study there as well: http://www.geenstijl.nl
LOL @ U.S
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SM: Who cares? I did look at the comments at the link you provided. Someone in the comment section posted a “sniper” website. Wonder if Joran will be safe in Amsterdam? (klaasend)
1006:
Maybe….
But, if she was dropped down a shaft, how did she appear at the rocks as a fresh kill? Are you saying that you do not believe in the Chicago Videos? It is the Chicago Videos that I place my opinion on and the things that are said by the Ministers, especially, The Prime Minister is the result of what we see here… A total commitment to never allow the public to know what happened to Natalee on the night of June 8, 2005.
I, like Richard, do not believe that the Prime Minister would order the disposal of a body in favor of tourism over a few “good ol’ boys” or “pimps” drugging and raping a tourist.
I agree that she was dropped off at the Marriott and I believe that Geoff and Steve Croes were there to assist in the kidnapping when they received their que. But, I believe that Natalee’s abduction was for a much more sinister purpose than merely a night of forced sex.
I believe that it was Joran and Paulus that wanted to use Natalee in a twisted religious festival through which she would be sacrificed to their gods. I believe that Natalee was stalked and tested by Geoff, and, maybe others, to confirm that she was a virgin and on her last night in Aruba, Paulus himself would be the one to purchase the Lamb.
If we are to believe the history of the Arawak nation, we must accept the fact that there are people who practice spiritism to the point where they believe that that by capturing and sacrificing a “clean” lamb to the gods, they recieve good fortune, strength, fortitude and virtue… a complete cleansing of one’s sins.
Natalee was a minister’s daughter. She was the epidimy of virtue and it is because of THAT that she lost her life in Aruba. To close your eyes and pretend that such cultures do not exist, or to permit them to continue in their searches for their sacrificial lambs is a crime against humanity and, specifically, one’s civil liberties.
It is now up to the United States to expose the corruption under their statutes that are put in place to protect our citizens abroad. What happened to Natalee, happens every month of every year to countless victims; but in this case, it was an American. Unlike Venezuella, Columbia, Brazil and countless other countries from which Aruba pools its’ victims, we have protection written into our laws that, specifically, target the stalking and capturing of our citizens in any activity that results in death. We are the leader, among the nations in paving the way to stop human trafficking. Surely, stalking an innocent high school girl for the purpose of becoming a sacrifice to a nation of cannibals should apply… and if it doesn’t, it should.
Proof?
There is plenty…
Queen Bea:
Where do you stand in the fight against the
illegal trafficking of women and children?
You’re eye’s have been gouged out by Satan,
himself, as you can no longer see the difference
between right and wrong; and your right hand has
become mummified along with the hundreds of
thousands that have been tortured and killed
within your very own walls.
Who are we to ask that you point the way out of
the darkness? Your heart has become hard and
callous as you, too, are drunk in the blood of
the Lamb.
I pray that the Federal Government of The United
States of America have the courage and strength
to prosecute the Nation of Arawak for it’s many
sins against, not only Natalee, but the countless
others. Let us live by our word and continue in
our commitment to protect one’s right to liberty
and the pursuit of happiness.
Katablog, I know what you mean, waste of time to argue with them. They want to say there is no evidence against these 3, yet these 3 have been held for 2 and a half years. If there was no evidence, they would’ve been turned loose in the first few days and dropped like the 2 black security guards they framed. They could win a heck of a lawsuit. Like Paulus tried to do and was turned down. Then they go on to say that Natalee went freely and can tell you everything Natalee did that night, yet they have nothing to back it up except 3 confessed liars words. They still can’t explain how Natalee was drunk and yet she wasn’t. One even tried to say there is a drink you can drink and you are actually bombed, but you can’t tell it by looking at them or how they act.. rofl.. One fry short of a happy meal..
Like most defense attornies, they think if you repeat a lie often enough, it makes it true. Put JoeT on constantly with noo one to face him with the known facts of this case and let him rant and say whatever. In the past 2 weeks they have been on tv about 20 times. Check out how many of these high priced defense attornies got together and defended john, dick or harry in cuba with no money and no publicity, pro bono..Where was all these big pro bono defense attorneys for the security guards, who were just another victim of the Kalpoes and Sloots family. They can’t even practic law in Aruba, yet are allowed in the court room when Beth’s attorney tried to attend last year and was denied. Reminds me of the press conference of the Simpson lawyers after the Simpson trial… telling us how OJ was a saint, he didn’t have time to commit the murder.
#20,
Now you can add a chicken and a snake to your coat of arms.
The chicken for cowardice for not doing what is just.
The Snake for representing the suspects instead of the victims.
First time I have ever heard of a prosecutor making promises to the perps and not the victims family…beyond belief.
Aruba:
You can have many Coats of Arms,
but if you don’t live up to them,
what good are they?
We don’t hate you…
We pity you.
.
Justice for Natalee
Mos:
“We have a strong conviction that something happened that night, and that it was a very serious thing,” Mos said.
…
Well congratulations MR. WIZARD!!! Treat
yourself to a cookie. We picked up on
that. -j4n
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
(“Who watches the watchers?”)
This case cannot be solved without investigating the initial investigators.
Mahatma Gandhi:
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always.”
For the last time :
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“Not enough evidence, Mos? Hello! Plenty of circumstantial evidence”
HELLLOOOOOOOO circumstantial evidence is NOT allowed in the dutch system. PERIOD.
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“Hey, Mos, why don’t you prosecute the Kalpoes for moving a body? Don’t you think that might get them to SQUEAL if they are headed to jail and Joran is free?”
Again NOT allowed, the high court would crush such trial within an day, they wouldn’t even have to think about it.
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The only sensible thing to do in this case is to give as little as possible press coverage, every media attention makes prosecuting Joran van der S. more difficult.
Actually, if Joran’s name is slanderd to much an judge might even rule this case for over.
Suspects have an hell of a lot of rights in the dutch justice system
, and if the judge/prosecutors OR the press fuck up, the entire case is thrown out of court.
In case of too much press attention, an judge could even lower the penalty to compensate.
BTW, the last time somebody accused somebody of an murder he was sued an the judge sentenced the accuser to approx 300.000 Dollar fine.
Cops have a saying that ‘you can beat the rap but you cannot beat the ride.’ All that the lame Aruban prosecution has ever been able to do is have these guys thrown in jail for a couple of weeks. I think this is all that the recent arrests amount to. Just another time to thrown them in the slammer for a few days. Mos did it because he realizes that this is all the punishment that these jerks are going to get. At least until someone caps them out of revenge, jealousy, or maybe just a nut who wants his 15 minutes. Have a nice life, boys.
The world has not seen or heard the last of the “Sporter”….. He will someday be front page news…
I think of him, the alcholoic he is…after all he gave an account of how much it takes for him to get drunk….
I would think that living in the Netherlands going to school that he is frequently drunk on the liquer of his choice and that since drugs are legal in Aruba and the Netherlands …that he keeps himself in a stoned state of mind….
Knowing that he is a sociopath, alcoholic and probably a drug user, it is inevidable that this monster will shoot himself in his own foot. He thinks too highly of himself being narcistic as he is…so this monster will talk one day and say things he never thought he would be saying and that is when someone will yank his chain and put him right were he belongs, on death row.
Just give it up, no one can prove that the guy is guilty. So quit this whole thing and move on with your lifes.
What are you doing this morning, Hans, sitting by Paulus’ pool having a bloody good laugh and a few drinks..you spineless crustation..how dare you make deals with the suspects..how dare you question Beth and Dave for three hours and tell them that after all you don’t have enough evidence..how dare you have imo a corrupt judge who is a another buddy of Paulus hear the case. You are either a fool or and imbecile or both, and if you want to prove me wrong you’d better haul those three evil b——-s into court with an impartial judge and make the case stick, or are you no damn good at your job like that blonf haired bubble head before you (another “good friend”) of Paulus, who you should also be arresting. What was he doing at the ATM at 4 am, Hans, getting money for french fries!
Sorry SM I meant “blond” not “blonf”..I make spelling mistakes when I’m madddddddddd!!!
Thijssie:
To give up is not an option…
Perhaps, if you didn’t give up so easily,
you would not have the problems that you
have in controlling the criminals that
stalk your streets of Amsterdam.
Perhaps, The Netherlands could finally get a
grip on their human trafficking problem and
win back a good reputation, as opposed to being
known as the “gateway” of the trafficking world
as women and children are bought and sold, like
cattle, from the Soviet Block.
Perhaps, The Netherlands could, finally, rid
themselves of the child molesters and murderers
that your laws protect.
Perhaps, you could get rid of the child porn
industry that thrives in your country as flesh
is bought and sold on your streets like candy.
We don’t give up…
We will never give up…
And we pity those, like you; that, selfishly,
get on with their lives knowing the amount of
human suffering that is going on all around you.
Ultimately, it is up to each and every one of us
to determine our quality of life…
.
Boycott Aruba
AND
The Netherlands
Scared Monkeys’, the New age Tabloid
Well good Kloot, maybe the Holloway family can sue all those for the stories coming out of Aruba about them and Natalee that are totally BS. Or does the victim, because she is voiceless have no rights at all?
Gabriel, better check out that newspaper in Aruba printing stories about a plane landing in Aruba without anyone knowing it and whisking Natalee off amongst their other big lies, that appears to be the new age tabloid. Why do you come here and read if you don’t like it?
Gabriel is Back!
What is a good treatment of salt in the wounds
without a good ol’ spat from Gabe…
.
Beat the Drums….
Light the Fires……
Aruba’s time has done expired!
.
Death to the Arawak Nation!
I agree with #38. Someone will kill Joran, some place, and at some time. Just a matter of time, they have moved from suspects to targets. I have no idea who or when, but it will happen.
No no Maggie, you should ask your wonderful Dr. Phil and Jossy Mansur about those stories.
@Maggie on December 9th, 2007 4:52 pm
Well if the Holloways would wanna do that, there is nobody prohibting that, it’s their good right.
An actually you are right, dead people have NO voice nor do they have rights in our legal system.
And to be even more precise, no body -> no victem -> no foul.
You cannot be sentenced without hard evidence, even if a judge would be that stupid, the high court will throw the conviction out within an day, it’s simply not allowed.
As far as the justice system goes, Natalee isn’t even dead as there is no hard evidence to proof she’s dead.
That an prosecutor vents his opinion that she’s dead will not uphold in court because it’s not hard evidence, it’s an opinion.
An prosecutor can say anything in court, but he still has to proof it, opinion’s don’t count in our court’s.
btw sorry if my English isn’t perfect, after all my mother language is Dutch, and still I guess my English is better then your Dutch. Still I’d like to say that it’s terrible to lose your child. It’s not that I don’t feel sorry the family, of course I do. But you guy’s think you rule the world, but hey I’ve got news: That’s just not the way it is, after all, we are all Europeans;)
@ Kloothommel, u neemt het op voor die lui??
And to Patti again: http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/buitenland/2007/12/buspassagiere_in_elkaar_geslag.html
Buspassenger beaten up by schoolkids??
@ Patti and all similar others, please think before you write. Your whole article (43) is based on lies.
- “Perhaps, The Netherlands could finally get a grip on their human trafficking problem and win back a good reputation, as opposed to being known as the “gateway” of the trafficking world as women and children are bought and sold, like cattle, from the Soviet Block.”
Lies. I am a German, close to the border to Tsjech and Poland. (No, American, that is not in Australia, neither near North Korea). The human trafficing problem are former Communistic Eastern Europeans turned into organized criminals.
- “Perhaps, you could get rid of the child porn industry that thrives in your country as flesh is bought and sold on your streets like candy.”
Lies. Child porn is forbidden in whole Western Europe.
- “Perhaps, The Netherlands could, finally, rid themselves of the child molesters and murderers that your laws protect.”
Ridiculous. Western European laws, like American laws, are there to protect the innocent, not to protect the criminals. In Aruba as well as the Netherlands as well as America, a suspect remains innocent until proven guilty !!!
And, to all of you, who remain finger pointing to Joran and the three brothers, even for them holds Innocent until proven guilty. No matter how many of you point your finger. No matter how many of you refuse to fly to Aruba. As long as the legal age for drinking and partying is 21 in America, and only 16 in Aruba, guess who the tourists are who are flooding Aruba ?
Have you ever considered the thought, that your action on pressuring Aruba to get Joran and the two brothers in jail, will have the total opposite effect, namely is the same as sending three innocent young men to jail, just to save the tourist industry from American pressure ?
Then to those who do not understand why the judge had to promiss both Joran as well as the two brothers that the case would be closed. You can not under Aruban law (neither under Dutch law) be hold prison for longer then a pre-defined time for investigation depending on the acquisation of the crime. You simply cannot hold the three (EX) suspects as long as you like in jail.
The only place in the world where that is possible is Guatanamo Bay. Where you can dissapear without trace, without any legal process and without any legal defence. So, for all Americans who think the Aruban justice system stinks, maybe it would be appropriate to first take a smell at your own dump.
As long as there is no new evidence, the Natalee Holloway case will to be closed. And there is nothing you can do about it.
Please, tell me, very please. Do all Non Texan Americans not go to Texas because the John F. Kennedy case is closed and still unsolved ?
Get a life !
How many times as Joran told us that he knows what happened and someday will tell us, but not now. Same goes for Paulus. Huh, talk about media coverage, a reporter from the Netherlands interviewed Joran in the Netherlands when he got off the plane there. And he made the statement that he knows what happened. So tell us, why would he say that. He likes being in control of information that he should of been forced to reveal. Can you image Natalee’s family desperately wanting to know and that perverts says I not going to tell you now.
Hans has said a great deal to the media. And none of it at that time was a help to the suspects. Voluntary manslaughter. We have evidence that Natalee is dead. The suspects removed the body. Wiretaps of conversations. And more!
Straaten gave signed documents to Paulus and they were altered. Some were destroyed.
No help from Aruba when we needed a phone call to bring in equipment to continue the water search.
So don’t come on here and talk to us about media coverage, press releases or anything else. Something bad happened to Natalee, Satish has already told us that. Aruba by their own admission has supplied us this information.
Dompig, those boys are guilty as hell
Straaten, Natalee is dead I have seen the evidence. Straaten by his own admission tells us there is evidence.
Straaten to Joran, you can either go to prison or a mental institution and I can arrange it.
Joran, Deepak raped and killed Natalee and I’ll take you where the body is buried. So where’s the body.
Deepak to Joran, if they find that girl and see all the chit you’ll get 15 years
The judges decision was based on not enough evidence, so we have been told. Not on media coverage, press releases and don’t threaten us with the judge can close this case. We expect him to anyway, a friend of the family. Seems par for the course, blame it all on someone else. That way you don’t have to do anything about it. Aruba is always looking for a corrupt of doing things.
Kloo:
Say what you will, but they announced her dead.
.
Thijssie:
We don’t want to rule the world, but it is a fact
that the world is getting smaller. The inept and
corrupt governments that allow crime and who’s
laws are written for the perpetrator and not the
victim effects everyone.
Natalee was American…
We support justice for her and her family.
And the way I see it, FINALLY, the Arubans
have made it possible for us to find her
justice within our own legal system.
.
Justice for Natalee
@Thijssie on December 9th, 2007 5:24 pm
Neuh, Joran mag voor mij wegrotten in een cel, maar aangezien in dit land daders meer rechten hebben dan slachtoffers is de kans op een veroordeling op dit ‘bewijs’ 0%
en aangezien je geen 2 keer berecht kunt worden voor het zelfde vergrijp loopt joran dan voorgoed weg.
Thijssie: You are right, I don’t read Dutch well but from what I can read, Joran is not being welcomed with open arms in Amsterdam!
It is terrible to lose your child. It’s wonderful that someone from the Netherlands or Aruba actually recognizes that. But now think of this, you lose your child thanks to some under aged thug that is allowed to roam Aruba at will, his daddy lies for him, his mama describes your daughter’s underwear to the media and talks about how wonderful her little murderer is, the country where your daughter was murdered interrogates you for hours while they can’t bother to even ask a few follow up questions to the perps, this same country makes up every lie they can think of about both you and your deceased daughter, you search a damn garbage pile for your lovely daughter while the country does everything they possibly can to keep you from doing so, lending no help and actually starting a fire to stop you, the perp actually writes a book to profit off your child that he killed, and then people from that very same country come to a blog about Natalee and our attempts to do anything to help her family and post nasty horrible messages about us, your child and her mother.
Mean while about every 6 months over the last 2.5 years that country also makes the news one more time to raise your hopes that they might actually do something to the obvious perps of the crimes on your child, raising your hopes only to once more dash them on the rocks.
In between, when anyone from your country attempts to help in the search for your daughter’s body so you can at least bring her home to rest, that same country who protects her murderers does everything under the sun to stop anyone who attempts to search for and recover her body.
The indecencies that have been done to the Holloway and Twitty families over and over and over again by Aruba are beyond description. How could any human stand all this?
Why on earth does anyone in the Netherlands or Aruba think any of us that know the story would ever want to even step foot on Aruba? I can’t imagine must worse of a punishment! Arubans have shown themselves to be thoughtless, cruel, lacking in compassion, and totally interested in American dollars.
@Patti on December 9th, 2007 5:30 pm
Wrong, you can only be declared dead after 5 years in our system, prosecutors can’t declare somebody dead, only an Judge can do that.
Actually, an judge can only declare somebody dead after 5 years & an request by the family and has to be approved by the government.
So that prosecutor is talking out of his ass.
Joost:
Seems to me you need to do some research regarding
human trafficking and the soft penalties for child
porn and molestation in The Netherlands. Their
own government admits that there are MAJOR
problems in these two areas, in particular. They
recently shut down a portion of the Red Light
District in an attempt to cleam up the problems
that they have with organized crime.
So, please, I emplore you… do the research.
.
Patti
@kloothommel
Ach ja het zal mij verder een worst wezen deze zaak, ik kan alleen niet tegen al die zelfvoldane arrogante indianen hier.
@ patti
I wrote a tekst but its removed and i dun feel like writing it all over again.
@Joost
You are so right, ze denken dat ze zo geweldig zijn die lui hier.
Whatever our theories on what happened to Natalee (hey, why should we even believe the Dutch lackeys who say they have proof that Natalee is dead? Have they given us ANYTHING THAT IS TRUE, or acted on it? Van der Straaten said that he knew Natalee was dead because “I’ve seen the evidence” … but what was it? And where?), we have to decide how best to pursue the boycott of Aruba. So please, everyone who really cares, get in contact with Vicki, get on the mailing list.
Aruba Tourism Authority is going to continue coming to this country and pushing their island.
WE are going to continue demonstrating and urging people to tell Aruba what it can do … and we are steadily getting converts.
Either there was a cover-up, in which case Aruba clearly is an unsafe destination, or there wasn’t … in which case, what passes for law and order, and justice, in Aruba is so incompetent that it ought to be ruled out as a place to go.
But I don’t think any sane person can doubt that there was a cover-up from the early days, and one that remains in place, involving many characters.
Was all this for nothing more than a few punk kids and a failed wannabe judge? Even the Dutch admit that the boycott has had a strong impact; why, then, would Aruba put the interests of these few scum above its own interests UNLESS THERE WAS A STRONG REASON?
Human trafficking, to me, is the only explanation that makes sense … because Aruba knows full well that America would indeed erupt in fury.
Even our politicians would have to act.
In any case, good-by, Aruba. Sink to hell, and starve to death to get there. I don’t care about your whining helpless innocent “good” people, because all that I’ve seen in Aruba since May 30, 2005, is a bunch of scared sickos who won’t speak out against their own government.
You dug your own grave. All I can do is help kick the dirt in it, and I will do so with great pleasure.
Klaasend, this isnt meant to offend you but why does it takes so long to get a post on the site?
Well for the most part, those boys will “go on with their lives” but they are damaged goods, they will never amount to anything, and heaven forbid they set foot on American soil. Their infamous mugs are known through the US. Joran will continue to hide in Holland (poor baby had to scrap his plans to attend college in Florida) and the Kalpoes will continue to work a minimum wage job working the internet cafe and Satish? Who knows what he does, if anything. They may be free, they come and go as they please, but the most frightening part of their release is that they are free to do it all over again. Sadly Aruba and Holland are not watching these perps and Papa Perp aided and abeted the boys and got away with it thanks to all the corrupt officials in the justice system and police department. They may not admit and face the consequences now. But they will get theirs in the end…. they will all be judged where they cannot pull strings and call their buddies.
While this blog is about Natalee Holloway and other missing persons, some of you insist you want to talk about Guantanamo Bay.
Are you that ignorant that you don’t know who is held a Gitmo? Is it people of your nationality? Is it just people the USA suspect of murder, rape, etc?
In case your news media forgot to inform you, the USA and numerous European countries are AT WAR against terrorists (people who want to kill you and me – unless you are willing to covert to the Muslim religion, in which case you will be spared.) These people held at Gitmo are there because there is evidence that they are terrorists or have strong ties to terrorists. They are not getting lawyers and trials right now because they are not citizens of the USA, they are “enemy combatants” (or like prisoners of war in a sense).
We believe these people mean to do us and Iraqis harm. We believe these people have sworn to kill us and you!
You can agree or disagree with this situation, but the bottom line is that it has nothing to do with Aruba’s corruption which allows 3 thugs to walk free while refusing to tell Natalee’s parents where their precious daughter’s body is. Doesn’t even compare!
Sent to: information@exploreHuckabee.com
I am not naive enough to think that every e-mail to the Mike Huckabee presidential campaign is read by Mr. Huckabee, but please route this to the appropriate person.
Mr. Huckabee makes mention of being a “grassroots” candidate and being concerned with “grassroots” issues. I too am involved with a “grassroots” campaign, and wish to remind Mr. Huckabee that this tragedy continues to be a burning concern for all Americans except those elected to defend our interests.
I refer to the case of Natalee Ann Holloway, who vanished in Aruba in May 2005. The actions and inactions of Aruba since her disappearance leave no sane person in doubt that elements of Aruba’s government and law enforcement authorities are and have been engaged in a cover-up of the circumstances behind the crime, apparently in order to prevent certain individuals from prosecution.
Recently the three main suspects were, once again, arrested, brought to jail, and freed. The judge who made the decision was the same one — a reputed associate of one of the suspect’s family — that previously reversed his own determination that evidence justified the continued detention of those same suspects.
In no legal system worthy of the name would a judge with personal connections to a suspect’s family be allowed to preside over such a case. Yet this did happen, and the attorney for the Holloway Twitty family has said that he now doubts that anyone will be charged in this case. While a corrupt ‘establishment’ in Aruba slanders the Holloway Twitty family and protects its own citizens, our own government declines even to take notice.
American tourism accounts for 80 percent of Aruba’s economy. This gives our government enormous leverage in Aruba, if we choose to make use of it. The question, then, is why our own government refuses to take even minimal notice of this travesty of justice.
Indeed, there is no shortage of reasons to think that the Dutch legal system, as it applies in the Netherlands Antilles, produces anything but justice. I would urge you to review the case of Amy Bradley, who vanished from a cruise ship docking in Curacao in 1998, and the many reasons to believe that she remains alive in a situation of duress.
I would likewise cite the case of Joel Gove, who vanished on the island of Saba a year ago. Although his body was recently found, no thanks are due to the Saba government, which, according to media reports, declined to allow the man’s family to post missing-person notices (apparently fearing an adverse impact on tourism) and forced the family to raise funds for their own private search.
(It is worth noting too that neither the Netherlands nor Aruba is contributing to the upcoming search in the waters off Aruba for Natalee Holloway’s remains; this search is the work of American volunteers, American generosity, and American dedication. As has been the case since May 2005, the governments that should be responsible, morally and financially, for this search are the very parties that have done the most to impede it.)
I mentioned that our government has tremendous leverage on Aruba. It could:
–Summon the Dutch ambassador to demand a review of Aruba’s atrocious behavior.
–Demand that the FBI be allowed to contribute to the investigation.
–Inform Aruba that it faces a tourist advisory for its behavior in this case.
We have many resources. Unfortunately, it seems that none of the presidential candidates, let alone the incumbent or our Congress, can be bothered to give attention to this tragedy.
Mr. Huckabee, in 2005 you were one of three governors who endorsed the notion of a voluntary tourist boycott of Aruba. In my own small way, I, a private citizen, have been urging concerned citizens to conduct picketing and hold similar protests at travel shows in this country to which the Aruba Tourism Authority has sent delegations. Even the Dutch have admitted that such efforts by concerned citizens have had an impact on Aruba.
The impact that a presidential candidate could make would, of course, have much more importance. The only question left to ask is: Will you be the one candidate who thinks that the cover-up of crimes against Americans abroad deserves condemnation, and action?
Or do you believe that individual American families seeking answers and justice for their loved ones should be left to wage their own campaigns against foreign governments?
I appreciate your attention and assistance on this matter.
Viet Vet,
I have to agree, Joran is already dead.
If they find Natalee’s body in the ocean waters off Aruba, will that count as evidence of a major crime to the Arubans?
Who knows? They don’t seem even to have the notion of crime and punishment ….
They care about the money, though. That’s our punishment to Aruba: cut off their legal sources of income. They depend 80% on American tourism.
Let’s reduce that to nothing, zero, zilch.
Question: why is it that we have an official boycott against Cuba, but nothing against Aruba?
Sounds silly, maybe … but on which island have more Americans disappeared in recent years?
“As long as the legal age for drinking and partying is 21 in America, and only 16 in Aruba”
Hey, Joost, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.
The LEGAL age for drinking in Aruba is 18. The same applies gambling in casinos.
Natalee Holloway was 18.
Joran van der Scum was 17. Guess there are special laws for judge’s sons on Aruba, though, right?
If you don’t know even the basic facts … go away. Stick your finger in a Dutch dike … or better yet, let the land be flooded.
We are not all Europeans, but we are all flesh and blood. We are one, as all members of the human family; but, there are major differences between our political and judicial structures
It has been the attempt by the United Nations and
the U.S. State Department to cut down on the kidnapping, rapes and murders of those that are far removed from their homes, becoming virtual slaves to a system that will never allow them to escape alive. The world is full of stalkers and predators that are there to capitalize on any and every mistake that we make. Whether it is to leave our child unattended; believing in a better life far removed from political prosecution, or trying to escape a life of slavery in the cocoa fields of Columbia… we all have an inate desire for freedom. Unfortunately, the seeking out of freedom through traffickers; usually, leads to prostitution, slavery, substance abuse and death.
Not so, was the case of Natalee. She already had her freedom. Her future charted out, like a road-map to success, laid out before her. Her freedom was taken away in an instant by a liar, a thief and a boy who was raised to think that his fulfillment of her capture would make him feel accepted and looked upon as a man.
There is no room in this world for men who would hop in their pick-ups and hunt down a human being, like an animal; only to permanently take away the one thinkg that we all yearn for… our freedom.
Everyone is Somebody’s Child
Good Day…
Can anyone here name one good thing that ever came out of aruba
I would like to Re-Post following:
#25 by 10061906 under “59 Responses to “RV PERSISTENCE and Louis Schaefer Head to Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway”
IMO, this is a great read if you want to be informed about “Some basic sentences for crimes committed on Aruba…” I feel it’s worth repeating –
[Basically the bottom is – NO ONE was convicted of ANY criminal act but read on…]
Such as: “…Aruba has a law that you cannot lie as a witness. Let’s us see who has lied as a witness and was never brought to trial and convicted of at least a misdemeanor. Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes, Freddy, Paulus van der Sloot and Michael Dompig; all come to mind. Even Michael’s father the police commissioner admitted that Michael lied. Here Gerald Dompig is guilty of obstruction of Justice. No one was convicted of any criminal act…”
[Why Aruba? Is JK2 (or ANY of the others above mentioned) going to be convicted of ANY criminal act?!]
Or: “…There is also another law that states if you do not honor a person’s request to be taken to that person’s requested location, that can be construed as kidnapping. By Deepak’s admission he did not take Natalee back to the hotel because Joran wanted to go to the beach. Since it was Deepak’s car and he was driving(?); he did not take Natalee back to the hotel and she was dropped off where she was totally defenseless and in an unfamiliar area. This could be considered kidnapping. No one was convicted of any crime.
IMO, ANOTHER excellent point:
#6&7 by Lisa under Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary – Wednesday, November 28, 2007 – “If I Was The Prosecuting Attorney In The Natalee Holloway Case”
I would not charge J2K with manslaughter because there is no evidence, witnesses , crime scene , body or DNA evidence.
I would charge them with Kidnapping as at least they have witnesses seeing her leaving with J2k and witnesses verifying her sobriety.
They have a better shot at making those charges stick than a murder rap and it leaves J2K with the burden of proof. “Where is Natalee”?]
[Why Aruba? Is JK2 going to be convicted of ANY criminal act?!]
Also, one of the BEST comments was by SM under #48 by Wavering:
SM: The Prosecutor/KLPD/ALE/FBI all know JK2 are guilty. That’s enough for me. (klaasend)
IMO, that is enough for me too.
Convict these guilty scum of ANY or ALL criminal acts!!
J4N!
I would like to Re-Post #49 from December 1st:
[GRANTED I AM FUMING TOO, BUT PLS. READ WHAT KLASSEND SAYS BELOW. THERE IS HOPE…]
ALSO, we are fired up now about the release of K2 + worried JVS will be released too.
Imagine how everyone will react come December 31st IF THIS CASE IS DISMISSED!!!
That makes me very uneasy. How do the rest of you feel? I don’t like the fact they have already given themselves “an out” w/ the possibility of a dismissal.
So what then Mos? Are JK2 going to be completely free?
Does that mean if The Persistence Team does find Natalee, (God Bless them!), after Dec. 31st
JK2 can NOT be held accountable because of this [f***in’] Dec. 31st deadline and thus the judge ruled “CASE DISMISSED”
Red, Klass – can you shed some insight, if heaven forbid, the case is dismissed?
Is Mos, is anyone in Aruba EVER going to convict the guilty JK2 (and PVS imo) of ANY criminal act?!
J4N
________________________
SM: Even if the case is closed (cold case) and JK2 are officially released as suspects on 12/31/07, they can still be rearrested and brought to trial at ANY time if Natalee’s body is found, or if any other substantial evidence is found. (klaasend)
#57 – We typing in code now?
So you can assume Dr. Phil is guilty? As for Jossy……..go Jossy go… he is the one with a backbone in Aruba to stand up and call this what it is. Please tell us evidence that Jossy fabricated? As for Dr. Phil what has he been found guilty of? If the ones running those articles about Natalee and her family were in the USA, they would all be facing multi million dollar lawsuits for the garbage they have printed about the victims in this case. There was no plane that landed and took Natalee, there is no evidence they stole money, there is no evidence of the stories about Jug, there is no evidence Natalee was an alcoholic or a slut…or that she died from a self overdose etc. Even Dutch law professors called this investigation, strange and unprofessional. Joran is the one who says he’s been drinking since he was 15 and it takes a case of beer to get him drunk or 20 whiskys and pictures of him on the internet passed out, bragging about beating a drug test in prison by using some one else’s urine, so noone could detect marijuana, all underage, and Anita on Fox saying, Joran don’t drink, smoke or do drugs. He’s a sporter.. lol.. Never, ever heard one of them say once, I hope they find her alive, it would clear me. Instead it was if they have no body, they have no case.
If they try every way to bring him to
justice legally … and it doesn’t work,
WHO WOULD blame someone for blowung their
heads off?
Answer: Nobody.
Here it is.. with Greta
VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.
btw, I never was a Dr. Phil fan, but I do remember on his show where Nadira contradicted her own sons timeline and then didn’t want them to air it on tv. Also everyone edit’s tapes for time when showing them on tv. They can’t show the whole thing. I’ve seen people from both sides say, Deepak said we did, you’d be surprised how simple it was and then others who said the opposite.
http://tinyurl.com/29cthg
Here’s another one..
April 11, 2006
ARUBA (Crime Library) – For a missing person and probable murder case that is almost a year old, it seems like there is news almost on a daily basis. Recently, several Dutch legal experts were openly critical of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway conducted by Aruba’s Deputy Chief of Police Gerold Dompig. Dompig was removed from the case last week. Adolpho Richardson replaced him as the leader of the investigation.
Gerold Dompig
Professor of criminal law Menno Dolman told the Dutch GDP news agency that he could not comprehend why there was no immediate search for Natalee after her disappearance. In a translated summary of various Dutch papers that appeared on the missing persons blog Scared Monkeys, another expert, law psychologist Peter van Koppen told reporters that it was “very peculiar that it was only after Dompig got an anonymous tip about a possible location of Natalee’s body that police began to search for her. “Usually, the area gets cordoned off immediately, in order to dig and obtain samples. (Remember the big tip that came first of January or around there that Natalee was buried near the lighthouse and they didn’t search the place until March)
On 10-26 DOMPIG told “FoxNews that he believes NATALEE’s body is “either in a cage, or put weights on it, or something like that. If that is the case, we should be able to find something.” (Yet Dompig wouldn’t make the call to get the equipment Texas Equisearch needed when they were already there to do the water search and Arlene came on tv and said Dompig never did say Natalee was in a cage. She was trying to make it seem like Tim Miller was lying about Dompig saying that. )
On 6-5 DOMPIG said, “I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend.”
(Good thing we didn’t listen or we would’ve passed out long ago)
On October 9 “FoxNews” asked DOMPIG “And the police only searched his apartment, deputy chief?,” DOMPIG replied, “That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.” When DOMPIG was then asked “But what about after Paul van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?,” DOMPIG replied, “It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that.
(According to Anita, they searched the houses and place twice
and according to the police they only searched Joran’s house and that
was more than a week after Natalee went missing)
Hey jp2k, Almost always the last known person/persons to be seen with victim are guilty of their demise. One only lies when the truth won’t do. Go ahead, walk around as smug as you want, but some day you all will get what you deserve. I hope you all have to look over your shoulder the rest of your lives, I hope at night when you sleep you dream of the murder you all have committed and I hope it haunts you forever and you never find peace.
I despise all of you
You can’t close a case that isn’t solved, and there’s no statute of limitations — Oh, I forgot; that’s in the U.S., not ‘backwater’ Ascrewba.
You can’t close a case that isn’t solved, and there’s no statute of limitations on murder — Oh, I forgot; that’s in the U.S., not ‘backwater’ Ascrewba.
Dumb question, but has anyone invited a psychic to the island.
Members of the public can phone the National Ombudsman Office or contact it in writing. There is a free telephone hotline that they can use to check whether their complaint falls within the jurisdiction of the National Ombudsman.
http://www.ombudsman.nl/english/ombudsman/the_institution/external_contacts.asp
Sometimes I get the impression from our Dutch posters that as long as you can make sure all evidence is eliminated including the body, no harm no foul….your golden and can’t be touched.
Their almost gloating that a young American girl is dead and one of their own won’t be caught.
Joost….you seem to brag about Dutch law….is it common to give the main suspects 10 days to clean up their crimes there?
If this happened in NYC the NYPD detectives would have know the full story of what happened toi Natalee in less then 2 days….does the ALE and Dutch law enforcement know about how important the first 48 hours are?
Face your boys dropped the ball bigtime…hard to believe that anyone Dutch, American whoever would want to travel to a country that doesn’t even try to solve a crime.
Buster
All the tourists who came back to the USA without meeting up with the Joran, Satsissy and Deepak.
the van der stratten comment i have seen the evidence,was he on the news saying that,i have heard the statement being talked about but never seen it.
#30 Thijssie: I don’t think Joran is so happy about returning to Amsterdam. He was all set to attend St. Leo College in the good old USA. Even Deepak had dreams of coming to the US. It wouldn’t be wise on their part to do that now.
#81 Get Real: Good one, Ascrewba is just as good as Lieruba!
Please, tell me, very please. Do all Non Texan Americans not go to Texas because the John F. Kennedy case is closed and still unsolved ?
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a poor analogy. we can go wherever we want because, including Texas, as you said the case is closed. and solved. so we go there. why do you think it is unsolved ?
Mike, you said:
Sometimes I get the impression from our Dutch posters that as long as you can make sure all evidence is eliminated including the body, no harm no foul….your golden and can’t be touched.
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It is more than that. There is also criticism of crime in the US, our own system. But that is American on American crime. Natallee Holloway case is Dutch/Aruban crime on US tourist. Then you factor in that Aruban LE/Dutch cannot solve the case now and there is no hope that they will. That and along with all the circumstantial evidence that points to the main suspects who are now free. They lied to police. Why ? The answer is obvious. They comitted a crime.
Not EVEN worth typing….but for you that are supporters of these crime committing SAVAGES, please take your comments elsewhere. NOT IMPRESSED and NOT CONVINCED. I agree w/the poster above…no conviction = targets.
@ katablog, I just re-read your message. Please, allow me to give you some coments.
Thijssie: You are right, I don’t read Dutch well but from what I can read, Joran is not being welcomed with open arms in Amsterdam!
>> You are right. Defenitely not as a hero.
It is terrible to lose your child. It’s wonderful that someone from the Netherlands or Aruba actually recognizes that.
>> I agree fully, and it must be terrible for the Holoway and Twitty family.
But now think of this, you lose your child thanks to some under aged thug …
>> You may call him a suspect of a crime, but as long as he is not convicted by court, this guy is innocent. You, nor your fellow Americans are the judge.
… that is allowed to roam Aruba at will, his daddy lies for him, his mama describes your daughter’s underwear to the media and talks about how wonderful her little murderer is, …
>> The mother of natalee did not speak the truth either over her daughters alcohol and drugs consumption and her previous “dissapearances”.
… the country where your daughter was murdered interrogates you for hours while they can’t bother to even ask a few follow up questions to the perps, this same country makes up every lie they can think of about both you and your deceased daughter, you search a damn garbage pile for your lovely daughter while the country does everything they possibly can to keep you from doing so, …
>> No comment. Ever sen those yellow ribbons, “crime scene investigation”. Is the mother in America allowed to enter ?
… lending no help and actually starting a fire to stop you, the perp actually writes a book to profit off your child that he killed, and then people from that very same country come to a blog about Natalee and our attempts to do anything to help her family and post nasty horrible messages about us, your child and her mother.
>> Read Richard a little higher, or Patti, to call some names of some hillbillies. All messages directed to the Netherlands, its inhebitants or even “Euro trash”, is not the most friendly naming either. And on top of that, and that is where we fundamentally disagree : joran, nor the two brothers, have not been found guilty in court, so they still rename innocent, until proven otherwise. Any naming as “Prep” , “Murderer”, “Thug”, “Child mollester”, “rapist” … are all inappropriate to anybody who is legally still innocent. If a Dutch newspaper would write any of those namings, joran wil get rich by damage money.
…Mean while about every 6 months over the last 2.5 years that country also makes the news one more time to raise your hopes that they might actually do something to the obvious perps of the crimes on your child, raising your hopes only to once more dash them on the rocks.
>> Wrong. They can not do anything. What do you want them to do ? Torture Joran and the tho Deepak brothers ? Who is giving who false hope? it are those here, pointing there fingers at the mentioned triple, but there is no evidence.
… In between, when anyone from your country attempts to help in the search for your daughter’s body so you can at least bring her home to rest, that same country who protects her murderers does everything under the sun to stop anyone who attempts to search for and recover her body.
>>> That is not true. Every body is allowed to search almost everywhere he or She wants in Aruba. However, similar as in America, you need a search warrant to enter somebody´s privat property. And if you are an American on Aruban soil, you will not get one, simply because you are not a recognized law enforcer on the Island. If my child goes missing in America, I can also not search every privat house in America which I want to search. Let alone start digging holes in Central Park or in the garden of the White House. Can I ?
The indecencies that have been done to the Holloway and Twitty families over and over and over again by Aruba are beyond description. How could any human stand all this?
>>> Why on earth does anyone in the Netherlands or Aruba think any of us that know the story would ever want to even step foot on Aruba? I can’t imagine must worse of a punishment! Arubans have shown themselves to be thoughtless, cruel, lacking in compassion, and totally interested in American dollars.
>>> First of all, in whole of Western Europe, there will be NOBODY who cares whether an American ever sets a food on Aruba again or not. by thinking you can use it as a metod of influencing public law in a country, you are far off.
Second of all, If Arubans were interested in Dollars (which , nobody is these days, since the dollar is in free fall), they would arrest those three suspects, put them through some sort of orchestrated lawsuit, where every laywer will say, how the hell is this possible ? There is only phoney evidence. The three will go to juvenile prison (except for the older brother who was over 18 at the time. There will be no body.
The suspects will remain claiming they were innocent. Everybody in Western Europe will say that the verdict “GUILTY” was put under heavy pressure by the American Tourist Dollar. And Joran would be free after 2 years, since it was juvenile court.
Whether you like it or not, there is no hard enough evidence. And even in case of doubt – as in America – the suspect remains innocent.
America’s Most Wanted
Big reward out there for somebody…go ahead an rat, take the money. It was put out there for a reason. and run
Joost: Your response is too ridiculous to reply to. You know NOTHING about Natalee or what her parents did or didn’t say about her or whether it was true or not. You have no business attacking an innocent victim and smearing her name because of some trash Julia Renfro wrote who also doesn’t know Natalee. You’ve been reading more trash if you believe Natalee previous “disappeared”.
If you don’t care about our dollars (which are NOT in free fall) then don’t spend millions of dollars in ads begging us to come to aruba and ripping us up one side and down the other about how we are hurting the “innocent” arubans.
BTW there WAS a search warrant which Paulus’ judge friend changed on the spot at Paulus’ house. NEVER in America would see police officials so torture a victim’s family.
If the Aruban authorities close the case on December 31st, they will open the island and the people of the island to a century of frontier justice.
Death to Arbua!
Joost.
With this ill conceived post, you have just added yourself to the most wanted list.
First of all, in whole of Western Europe, there will be NOBODY who cares whether an American ever sets a food on Aruba again or not. by thinking you can use it as a metod of influencing public law in a country, you are far off.
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good that nobody cares. because we won’t be setting foot on Aruba again.
>> The mother of natalee did not speak the truth either over her daughters alcohol and drugs consumption and her previous “dissapearances”.
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she did not speak of this because there was nothing to speak of: no alcohol and drugs consumption and no prior “disappearances”.
Whether you like it or not, there is no hard enough evidence. And even in case of doubt – as in America – the suspect remains innocent.
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yes, but innocent by DEFAULT only.
he was not PROVEN innocent by any process.
>> The mother of natalee did not speak the truth either over her daughters alcohol and drugs consumption and her previous “dissapearances”.
Where is the evidence of Natalee’s drug uses and alcohol consumptions? and disappearances? Natalee didn’t not run away before.. That’s BS.. She wasn’t a druggo either.. In fact, her family said she was allergic to many things. Bring us proof. Once more smearing the voiceless victim.
Don’t you think it’s strange anytime they wanted to ask this family questions, they answered them and cooperated, yet everytime they asked these 3 they gave numerous conflicting statements, took the fifth and refused to come in. Natalee’s family and friends searched the dump until the equipment broke down, when they went back to continue, it had been filled in.
You just read above, Dompig saying I want everyone to hold their breath for the next 24 hours, big news..then nothing… Just like this time new evidence, arrest the 3, proof Natalee is dead, voluntary manslaughter, and then they are released.
As for Aruba 80% of its country relies on tourism from the USA. They don’t want our dollars? lol I would gladly keep our money here in the USA.. We are always giving it away to some other country for something. They sure get enough of it, for people who don’t want it.
Of course they claim they are innocent, backed by all those high priced attorneys and take the fifth. In the legal sense they are innocent, if they arent charged, people are titled to their own opinions of it though. All those high priced attorneys for “the girl” the left on the beach?
As for searching, Tim Miller was in the water and needed a piece of equipment and he needed Dompig to ok the equipment for the watersearch by contacting the FBI..he wouldn’t do it, Tim Miller and his group packed up and came home. They didn’t even search the suspects, the car, the home, or their person for 10 days.. They were too busy searching and questioning the 2 guards, when they knew Natalee didn’t even return to the Holiday Inn.
Maybe you can explain how Joran walked home and Satish picked him up?
There is enough evidence to charge them with
Abduction for purposes of sexual assault: Refers to the crime committed when a person is removed or detained for sexual or indecent purposes by the use of force, intimidation, or deceit.
To all you Niederlanders….Arbeit Macht Frei…assasinate the van der Sloots. Soon a message from ober der Rhein…..tomorrow belongs to us.
Well, if forensic evidence is what truly matters in the Dutch system, then WHY WAS IT NOT TAKEN IN THE CRUCIAL FIRST DAYS OF THE CASE?!
Please don’t call for the murder or death of anyone. I fully understand everyone’s anger. I’m angry too. Angry that Aruba took one more swipe at Beth and Dave and one more swipe at Americans. But we simply can’t get down to their level.
joost said:
“As long as there is no new evidence, the Natalee Holloway case will to be closed. And there is nothing you can do about it.
Please, tell me, very please. Do all Non Texan Americans not go to Texas because the John F. Kennedy case is closed and still unsolved ?
Get a life !”
We have lives. However, Natalee doesn’t have one!
In my life I have been to your fine country and almost all in Europe. Gee, I have even been to Texas! no less.
The evidence is in the LACK OF EVIDENCE
Yes there is something, IMO that can be done about it. Ever wonder the reason behind Joe T. saying on American TV that Joran is soooo innocent and so many times he says it over and over?. Is he aiming down the road when the case will be closed, the FBI steps in and under the treaties between the US/NL to “ask” Joran to come to the US in front of a jury??? Is he laying down a defense of there will become a lack of a beyond a reasonable doubt?
Or is he trying to shape the media and American’s thoughts if this case is ever taken before the Court in the Hague as a violation of Human Rights as happened in the Mathew case in Aruba??? Remember, Mr. King under a different name was in this case and Paulus was his assistant. Seems some evidence was “lost”. Must be the typical MO in Aruba……I don’t think so.. only with those who are elite, corrupt, in the coverup and part of the chronyism.
87. BENH. It was said to a Dutch reporter by Chief Van der Straaten, as I recall. I read it on Hasibokos website, before they shut the site down for a few months. I don’t know if it’s still there. In any case, the reporter asked why he thought Natalee was dead and he responded with something like “because I know more about this case than you do”. That’s as much as I remember. Perhaps others have a link.
To Thijssie. Kloothommel, Joost,
F*** iedereen. Me maak niet ongerust hoewel wanneer dit geval wordt gesloten iemand Joran en hopelijk zijn gehele gestoorde familie zal behandelen. Maar eerste hoop ik zij de waarheid uit hen krijgen. Waterboarding is de eerste gedachte die komt te letten op. Ik hoop zij het registreren. Zo waarom niet iedereen van hier afstappen en aan het zuigen Joran d*** teruggaan.
In my opinion,we should invite urine to a keg party in Birmingham with about fifty Alabama rednecks present.
Ray. It would not take but 1. The other 49 can just watch and enjoy.
Okay first) The dollar is in free fall! Your economic is going to fall soon too unless you save some more money instead of spending constantly. Okay second, stop with the bullshiting with “Boycotting” The Netherlands, the Netherlands have YOUR Nuclear shit! The Netherlands are part of the NAVO and together with AMERICA and more western countries. America and the Netherlands Government SUPPORT eachother in War/Democracy or whatsoever. Economic and bonds between governments are much more important for the world and for the millions of people then one girl. Besides that, you can’t force a country to get a ‘different’ judge systeem just because you think its ‘wrong’ and ‘corrupt’ and it doesn’t go your way. Face it case is closed end of story.
@ Mike
please don’t use a translation machine or something like that, cause I really don’t understand a *** of what you try to say.
You try to say that you hope Joran’s family will be killed? But first you want the truth?
@ Joost,
Sorry I thought you were Dutch?
viet vet on December 9th, 2007 11:15 pm
To all you Niederlanders….Arbeit Macht Frei…assasinate the van der Sloots. Soon a message from ober der Rhein…..tomorrow belongs to us.
Are you totally lacking any feeling of morality/sensitivity?
Arbeit macht frei happens not only to be German, but it was what Nazi’s put on the entrances of concentration camps like Auschwitz, Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Theresienstadt. You know the place were millions of innocent victims were murdered by the germans. Tens of thousands of Allied troops died to fight this madness and you use it here? Sorry, but that is very insensitive to all those who suffered from WW2 (like veterans, victims and survivors).
And you other comment, happens also to be German. Us Dutchies live in the Netherlands, not Germany.
@102; that’s German honey. Not Dutch.
Please everyone get their facts straight about Aruban law versus US law, the connection between Aruba and The Netherlands and the accurate geographic location as well as language of all those countries.
By the way, should the public prosecutor of Aruba decide to close this case by the end of this year, that doesn’t mean that the investigation cannot be reopened at some point.
However, this will only be done if new serious evidence is found.
It is possible that someone is convicted for murder (or manslaughter) without a body present however there must be hard (and not only circumstantial) evidence that the suspect killed the person who dissapeared.
The fact that both Joran and the Kalpoe brothers saw Natalee last and lied during the investigation is of course suspicious but just not enough. And I doubt it would be in a US jury trial.
Pursuant to Dutch criminal law, there isn’t a statue of limitations on crimes which can be punished with a life sentence. I’m not sure if Aruban law stipulates the same.
Should the prosecutor decide to prosecute either Joran and/or the Kalpoe brothers and they would be acquitted by the court, the prosecution cannot prosecute them again and bring them before the court again for the same crime.
113,114.. Ya, Ich bin Deutch. So many miss-conceptions of US peoples.. some of us speak as many or more languages than you. I just love to go to Europe and listen to French, or German or Spanish or DUTCH get amazed when we understand all they say. I too know we are not liked, for many reasons, jealousy being most prominent. I cannot remember any President we have had who was liked in Europa, but maybe Washington. But I still like some of you folks. We all have the bad apples now don’t we . Joran is bad seed, should be eliminated.
Do the right thing America! Don’t go to Aruba! They DO NOT care about the safety of their tourists. They are lying scumbags.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com
@viet vet on December 10th, 2007 10:25 pm
You had president’s that were liked in europa, like kennedy, roosevelt, clinton.
Jealousy of what????, the US is hated because they are always trying to impose there thoughts and idea’s on other country’s, threathing country’s with war etc etc.
That’s why you are hated, it has absolute nothing to do with jealousy, cuz you are hated in country’s where they have the same rights and riches, doesn’t make sense now does it.
That’s why you are hated, it has absolute nothing to do with jealousy, cuz you are hated in country’s where they have the same rights and riches, doesn’t make sense now does it.
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Great I’m glad you straightened that out why you all hate us.
Merry Christmas.
mmm
can’t think of any Dutchie I know (am Dutch) that HATES the US.
We strongly dislike the course that the Bush admin has set.
DO NOT VISIT ARUBA EVER…NO TOURISM THERE!!!! DON’T FORGET NATALEE!!!!
THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR NATALEE’S DISAPPEARANCE WILL BE PUNISHED!!!!!! WITHOUT A DOUBT!