Natalee Holloway Investigation: CNN Reporting that Joran Van der Sloot has been Released in Aruba

 

Details to follow.

http://www.cnn.com

UPDATE I:  Joran will be released at 2pm Aruba time today.  It’s reported that Hans Mos will give a press conference within the hour.  More to follow…. 

UPDATE II:  Fox is reporting:

Friday , December 07, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  — 

A judge has ordered the release of a Dutch suspect who was re-arrested last month in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, the Aruba prosecutors’ office said Friday.

The judge called for Joran van der Sloot, 20, to be freed Friday afternoon, according to John Pauly, a communications consultant for Aruba’s prosecutors’ office. Details of the ruling were not immediately available and a news conference was scheduled for later Friday.

Van der Sloot was arrested Nov. 21 along with two other suspects, Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were released from jail on Saturday after a judge found the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding them.

The three men were the last people known to see Holloway alive before she vanished in May 2005 but have denied any role in her disappearance.

UPDATE III:  So Joran is released from custody and is free to go back to the Netherlands and finish his exams. 

Natalee Ann Holloway would be in her 3rd year of college, what about her rights?  Aruba thinks it’s over but it’s not, it’s just begun.  The inept and corrupt investigation and subsequent coverup has sealed Aruba’s fate.  It will always be known as a destination where tourism dollars are more important than a young girls life:



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  • Comments

    428 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Investigation: CNN Reporting that Joran Van der Sloot has been Released in Aruba”

    1. Scott on December 7th, 2007 12:26 pm

      The fat lady is singing…..

      It’s now officially and realistically over…

      Natalee will never get justice and it’s a crying shame what a crock of crap that island is…..

      This new prosecutor is IN on the shannigans too and nobody can convince me otherwise. He’s a shill for the Aruban government, a mouthpiece to make it seem to Americans that they are actively trying to solve this case; so that Americans will start overflowing their island again. This cover-up has risen to new heights.

    2. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 12:31 pm

      Well, what did we expect from Smids

      Just like Joe T said this is the same Judge that released Joran 2.5 years ago.

      The same Judge that called off the search of the vds residence.

    3. TJ on December 7th, 2007 12:33 pm

      We all knew it was a possibility, but it is so devastating. The hurt that the Aruban Judicial system has caused Natalee’s family should be a crime itself.

    4. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2007 12:35 pm

      Did we expect anything else from One Disgusting Island?!

      Hey, Aruba, now the world knows that TEENAGER NATALEE HOLLOWAY WAS KILLED ON ARUBA AND YOU LET THE PERPS GET AWAY WITH IT.

    5. Mike on December 7th, 2007 12:39 pm

      Thats it for me

      I can’t see how anyone would ever want to lay foot on this island no matter how low they drop their fares.

      I would call this a Mickey Mouse system of justice but that only insults Mickey….even he would do a better job.

      Something tells me that the crime rate in Aruba is beyond belief and if they ever posted the real stats no one would visit and it its own citizens would start leaving.

      Their a sadistic bunch down there and seem to get pleasure running a missing persons family thru the ringer time after time.

      Their is no justice in Aruba…period.

    6. Erik on December 7th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Yesss, Joran is free again.
      Let’s hope this is the last time he will be bothered by all those ridiculous acusations.
      Fortunately, we still use the Napoleontic court laws, and time and time again they prove to be vastly superior.

    7. Aruban Cesspool on December 7th, 2007 12:44 pm

      In the lack of Aruban justice, frontier justice will, and must, ultimately prevail.

      Where is the 21st century Charles Bronson?

    8. stoney on December 7th, 2007 12:48 pm

      This is what it all balls down to Joran made the statement that he knows what happened just not ready to tell yet and if I am right Papa VanderSWEAT also said he knew but the truth would hurt to many pepole. Well why don’t they just cout off their gentials if they don’t tell the truth now its TIME

    9. The Prophet on December 7th, 2007 12:53 pm

      Daniel 5:26-28 (New International Version)
      New International Version (NIV)
      Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

      26 “This is what these words mean:
      Mene [a] : God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end.

      27 Tekel [b] : You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

      28 Peres [c] : Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”

      Aruba, as surely as God did this to Babylon, he will judge your kingdom as well. You will fall into your own net of lies and deceit, and your land will be given to another.

    10. Libby on December 7th, 2007 12:53 pm

      Scott, I think that new prosecuter is in on it too. Like you said, they were just making it look like they were really trying to solve the case. They have been playing this game since the beginning.

      From the date they arrested the guards, knowing full well that Joran and the brothers lied about even dropping her off at the hotel, I knew nothing would ever happen. I wish they hadn’t been so cruel about the cover up games though.

      How many times did they get everyone’s hope up? Countless times. Each time, more cruel than the last. Why didn’t they just keep their mouth shut and ignore all of us? That would have pissed us off but it wouldn’t have been nearly as cruel as the games they have played the past 2.5 years.

      They may think it is “over”. Ha…wrong. It is only the beginning now Aruba!!!

    11. TERRI on December 7th, 2007 12:55 pm

      Dayum. What a shame. Please Lord, give them their just due, ASAP.

    12. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 12:55 pm

      Dead men walking.

    13. Grace on December 7th, 2007 12:57 pm

      I hope you will read this and report this to Dave Holloway asap. I read in Greta’s blog a very terse and cryptic statement. It only read (from OK): “Dave – look at the debit card for Natalee for two days after she disappeared.” Nothing else was said, and I suggest someone tell Dave Holloway. I have no way to get in touch with him. Hopefully, this will lead to some information about Natalee. I am still holding on to the hope she is still alive somewhere. Please tell Dave or the FBI or AMW, or someone. This should be checked out, no matter which side of the fence you are on in this disappearance of Natalee. This should be about Natalee – and nobody else. gw.
      __________________________
      SM: Natalee did not have an ATM card in Aruba and even if she did, I can assure you it was already checked. (klaasend)

    14. Anonymous Howard on December 7th, 2007 12:57 pm

      Maybe these kids really are innocent. Did that ever occur to anyone?

    15. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 12:57 pm
    16. TERRI on December 7th, 2007 1:00 pm

      right howard and i am the virgin terri

    17. Carl the Detective on December 7th, 2007 1:03 pm

      i hope you all realize this is officially over now. they have nothing on these guys. if you live in aruba and feel like raping and killing someone, I thought i would lay out the blue print for you.

      1. target young american, but hurry cause there will not be many more to choose from in the future.
      2. get them drunk and lie about where you live.
      3. drug them with GHB or ecstacy.
      4. trick them to get in your friends car, tell her its a cap.
      5. drive around until drug has full effect
      6. take to your apartment where no one will hear or see her.
      7. rape her
      8. call friends and let them rape her too.
      9. if she fights or comes to, kill her
      10. get boat and throw her in ocean
      11. lie about story if asked
      12. blame on black people
      13. ask corrupt police for help if nessesary
      14. blame tourist, call her slut, etc.
      15. ask father or lawyer or judge in training for advice.
      16. tell prosecture at least 6 stories to keep them off balance.
      17. never break from original lies.
      18. repeat

    18. stoney on December 7th, 2007 1:03 pm

      Carpe please tell me this. I know about and have seen these photos from the Marriot basi. These are the ones that you work on and show correct. Where is this bag I mean who took the photos that you are using? I mean its that simple that person obviously opened the bag.

    19. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 1:06 pm

      Anony-

      Yes, then they lied 22 times…
      in a missing person/murder
      investigation.

      Those f’n pieces of sh need to be shot.

    20. Diana on December 7th, 2007 1:09 pm

      #13 (Anonymous Howard)

      I can tell you from personal experience on that island that, in most cases, MONEY AND BLOOD IS THICKER THAN EMOTIONS and/or CONSCIENCE.

    21. Aruban Cesspool on December 7th, 2007 1:12 pm

      Top 10 Most Wanted

      1. Urine
      2. Deepak
      3. Satish
      4. Paulus
      5. Steve Croes
      6. Julia Renfro
      7. Rosalie Klein
      8. Charles Croes
      9. Angela Munzenhofer
      10. Koen Gottenbos

      I hope that like a Clint Eastwood Western, 1 by 1, justice will be served.

    22. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 1:17 pm

      Stoney,

      The bag is not open. However, whatever the material is constructed of…

      it is translucent enough for me to capture
      her facial image when tweaking brightness
      & contrast.

      I’d love to explain why, & precisely how… but I’m not smart enough.

      It’s her alright, to me it’s her.

      CHICAGO #24

      That magical
      frame that shows
      her eyes happens
      at 2:47 time.

      The bag is only on camera for 10 seconds.

      2:45 to about 2:55.

      Again, her eyes were
      discovered @ 2:47.

      -j4n

    23. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 1:19 pm
    24. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 1:23 pm
    25. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:25 pm

      Let’s assume that this news is true. The release of the Kalpoes prepared us for it.

      So now what?

      Two key events lie ahead:

      1. The prosecutor has said he will decide by Dec. 31 whether to prosecute anyone. Looks like there’s no prospect for that, right?

      2. The water search will get underway.

      I guess all our hopes are riding on #2 … American dedication, American generosity, American determination may prevail against all the slimy underhanded Dutch and Arubans.

      (We don’t need to point out that the water search is the DUTY of the Dutch and Aruba … later on, let’s go after them to recoup the costs. Right now, what matters is that we Americans might provide the answers that the Dutch and Arubans have done everything to block.)

      It’s clear that at least some people believe that the water search will produce results. God grant that if Natalee’s body is in the water, it will be found.

      Meanwhile, let’s roll up our sleeves and start thinking about what we can do to keep this case in the public eye. I proposed that a nonprofit corporation or foundation be formed to perpetuate the boycott Aruba movement … the time to strike is while public sentiment is hot. Perhaps we could line up some significant support.

      What we CANNOT do is rely solely on Internet blogs. We have to move into new territory.

      So how can we best do this?

      We can’t force Aruba to do the right thing … but we can, and will, do our best to make the cost of their cover-up intolerable.

    26. Erik on December 7th, 2007 1:25 pm

      All you people, so occupied with the Lord, remember this: “My Kingdom is not of this world, I say to you again.”, so if Joran is guilty and he meets his maker then he will be judged, it is not for us to judge.

    27. kayjay on December 7th, 2007 1:28 pm

      There are no words to describe how morally bankrupt those people are. Their shame will follow them to the grave and beyond, and let that be soon.

    28. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 1:32 pm

      The infamous published one of many Aruban Lies….

      Saturday, June 11, 2005

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

      The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.

      Police did not say which of the three confessed.

      The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.

      The three, taken into custody early Thursday, were the last people to have reported seeing the missing woman.

      Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with classmates celebrating their high school graduation.

      Later that night, Holloway went to a popular nightclub, Carlos ‘N Charlie’s, with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

    29. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:35 pm

      It’s worth noting that today is, in the U.S., Pearl Harbor Day.

    30. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 1:36 pm

      #18

      “Where is this bag I mean who took the photos that you are using?”

      Stoney,

      I’m not positive who rolled the vid footage. TOP 95 Radio reporter maybe?

    31. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:37 pm

      Carl (#17) … It’s not that they don’t have anything on these scum. They have PLENTY.

      But due to the cover-up, they won’t use it.

    32. Vicki on December 7th, 2007 1:38 pm

      This is the most VILE disgusting EVIL cesspool in the whole world. Its NOT OVER…if YOU smucks think we will be going away you are stuck on stupid. We have just gotten started…OPEN your STUPID EYES and watch what happens next. I say to LIERUBA and the freakin DUTCH MF’s involved in this cover up and your loud mouth TACOJOE F you.

      You all will rot in hell where you belong.

      If you want to get involved email me at JusticeforNAtalee@gmail.com…JUSTICE will be served….WE WILL REALLY BOYCOTT SATANS ISLAND.

    33. John Cronan on December 7th, 2007 1:39 pm

      Well there is some good ole American lynching going on here, to the point where people seems to speak for His Almighty Himself. Dont you know what blasphemy is?. I call upon anyone that has 100% proof of the guild of Jaran, to step forward and show the world this evidence now, because frustration and despair just arent enough to justitfy the blind hate this has been on this site for many months now. Dont hate, the devil has a full job just doing that, and dont speak for God and what he will do, as he’s perfectly capable of doing things on HIS own.

    34. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 1:40 pm

      “so if Joran is guilty and he meets his maker then he will be judged”

      Like Paulus, Joran, and the Kalpoes were played
      Judge for Natalee, you mean.

      Cry me a river.

      F*ck those pussies, they should have their heads
      kicked in for the pain and mental torture to the Holloway family.

    35. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:45 pm

      I wonder who is going to be at this so-called press conference and what will be said. Anyone think that the van der Scums will be there? I wouldn’t put it past them.

    36. Dan in Tx on December 7th, 2007 1:45 pm

      Richard-

      How about getting the ICV and Beth’s foundation to introduce legistlation to use money to force foriegn governments to listen to us?

      Think about it: what if there was a way for the State Department to slap a $500 surcharge on cruise ship or plane tickets to Aruba for failing to uphold the sfaety and welfare of American visitors? We could do the same to Venezuela for their drug trade, to China for their human rights violations, etc.

      We didn’t win the Cold War with guns- we won it with money. Think about it. How many U.S. tourists would think twice about going to these cesspools like Aruba if it would cost them an extra $500?

      And remember- no passport required to visit the U.S.V.I. or Puerto Rico!

    37. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 1:46 pm

      Did any of you expect anything different? When the Kalpoes walked it was obvious what was coming.

      Nothing is going to happen until they find a body. That’s when Aruba will take notice. “No evidence of a crime” is the prevailing town cry. But when they find Natalee’s body, in a crab cage no less, then THE WORLD will know that she was murdered and where. Then Aruba will have no where to go and will have to act.

      On that note, I was more than delighted to hear that Andrew Hodges is joining the new expedition to explore for the body. My impression is that the expedition is more than determined.

      Perhaps there is a way to advise Aruba’s 3 favorite rapists about this new group of visitors that are about to descend upon them. Let them sweat for a change.

    38. LilPuma on December 7th, 2007 1:48 pm

      I suggest we get involved in Beth’s foundation. She wants to provide info that isn’t readily available in either travel brochures or U.S. government sites, or provide a one-stop place for the info that is available. Info on safety and systems of justice and U.S. contacts in foreign countries. She’s trying to get hotel chains and travel services involved. Let’s make her foundation a great success and warn people of places like Aruba where date rape drugs are SOP, cruising for tourists is sport, blame the tourist is the national anthem, and justice is non-existent. Aruba isn’t the only place, but we can start there.

    39. Erik on December 7th, 2007 1:50 pm

      I am really sorry to point this out, but with your dollar in a virtual free fall, Aruba is far too expensive for the likes of you.
      We may have a “Mickey Mouse system of justice”, but you have Mickey Mouse Money.

    40. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:51 pm

      Nurturer, you mentioned this on an earlier thread.

      Does this mean that there will be active efforts to look again at the landfill, as well as the water search? I hadn’t heard that, and am delighted to learn this (to the extent that anyone can be delighted after today’s news).

      I’d very much appreciate it if you could tell us whatever you have heard on this.

      We will not abandon Natalee or her family, let the Dutch and Arubans lie and pervert justice however they may. It’s our quest, and we will persist.

    41. vander F on December 7th, 2007 1:52 pm

      My god, are you people still obsessed by this, cold, case?
      It’s over, all you can do now is pray.

      *lol @ SATANS ISLAND*

    42. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:54 pm

      Dan in TX (#35) … I know that Vicki was looking into ways to induce the State Department to issue a travel warning for Aruba.

      I’m writing to Bush later today urging that he summon the Dutch ambassador for a conference on Natalee’s case. I did that two years ago, and doubtless I’ll get the same response now that I did then (i.e., nothing). But it’s a start.

    43. Susan on December 7th, 2007 1:55 pm

      Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba

      NEW: Prosecutors (LOSERS!!!!!!) say they will not appeal ruling to free Joran van der Sloot

      (CNN) — An Aruban judge Friday ordered the release of Joran van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

      A statement from the public prosecutor’s office said the judge, in his decision, found that the authorities’ “recent investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspect has been involved in such a crime.”

      Authorities arrested all three young men last month, citing new and incriminating evidence but not offering specifics. All three — who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005 — were charged last month with involvement in the “voluntary manslaughter” of Holloway, as well as assault and battery leading to her death.

      The three maintain their innocence.

      “In the decision the judge took account of all the relevant evidence contained in the whole case file collected during the investigation,” covering 2½ years, the statement from the prosecutor’s office says.

      Noting that the court of appeals, in a decision about the Kalpoe brothers, also questioned the strength of evidence against the suspects, the statement said the public prosecutor’s office will not appeal the decision to release van der Sloot.

      The three were arrested two years ago after the Alabama teen’s disappearance in May 2005 while she was vacationing in Aruba.

      Holloway, celebrating her high school graduation along with about 100 classmates, left a nightclub with the Kalpoes and van der Sloot, and failed to show up the next day for a flight home. Her packed bags were found in her hotel room.

      http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html

      OMG!!!!!! This is awful…I don’t believe this…I wanna kick some ass…the freaking, savage, stupid, useless, worthless, incompetent pieces of shit!!!!!!!!

      How dare they do this again to Natalee and her family…

      Hopefully the water search will find Natalee for the Holloway’s sake…

    44. Richard on December 7th, 2007 1:55 pm

      Sorry, Dan in TX, you were #36.

    45. OneandOnly on December 7th, 2007 1:56 pm

      Aruba Rules!

    46. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 1:59 pm

      It’s on Dana’s latest interview. You can download and listen. Dana’s first interview of the show is Andrew Hodges and Hodges explains that he will be flying down to join the expedition after their arrival.

      According to Hodges it is not the landfill, but the ocean, where they dumped Natalee’s body. In a container.

    47. Erik on December 7th, 2007 2:01 pm

      Watch out!! GS “tataah” is on your trail.

    48. DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 2:07 pm

      Erik on December 7th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Yesss, Joran is free again.
      Let’s hope this is the last time he will be bothered by all those ridiculous acusations.
      Fortunately, we still use the Napoleontic court laws, and time and time again they prove to be vastly superior.

      Erik,

      Actually, in the Anglo-American system, the suspects would not have been put in jail at all without probable cause. On the other hand, we would have questioned the suspects intensively and examined their car and homes after they were caught lying within 24 hours of Natalee’s disappearance. The fact is Aruba’s police force simply wasn’t up to the job, something Americans thinking of visiting the island should be aware of.

    49. katablog.com on December 7th, 2007 2:10 pm

      I too am very disappointed. As far as Aruba and its tourism – stick a fork in it, it’s done.

      I also will take one more time to express that the anger from some posters which gets expressed in violent ways does disturb me. It is not our responsibility to bring “justice” to the three thugs. Threatening them merely makes the posters look akin to the three thugs.

      Evidence that the three are guilty? Oh gosh, the circumstantial evidence (including the confession of one of them) has been listed over and over again here at Scared Monkeys. There simply is not statistical way the three (and Paulus) could not be guilty when you put all the evidence together.

    50. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 2:11 pm
    51. DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 2:14 pm

      Erik on December 7th, 2007 1:50 pm

      I am really sorry to point this out, but with your dollar in a virtual free fall, Aruba is far too expensive for the likes of you.
      We may have a “Mickey Mouse system of justice”, but you have Mickey Mouse Money.

      Erik,

      Fair enough. All the more reason for us to avoid Aruba, and for you to visit us and see how a real system of justice works.

    52. vander F on December 7th, 2007 2:16 pm

      DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 2:07 pm

      Come on, Aruba is a tiny island, what do you expect?
      Even Amarillo, Texas, is larger than Aruba.
      And who want’s to get lost in Amarillo?

    53. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 2:17 pm

      #48 – Correct. Instead of allowing the suspects to run free for 10 days so as to destroy evidence to cover their tracks.

      But their is still the body. It is still out there and they think they got rid of it.

    54. Erik on December 7th, 2007 2:20 pm

      123

    55. chris on December 7th, 2007 2:28 pm

      I have not said anything in a while, knowing what the outcome probably would be. Without naming names think about this:1. Why would the murdering Sloots engage JT. when there are so many more qualified lawyers in this country? 2.
      Who is running the &hitty island? Put the 2 together!
      I suppose hiring a John Smith would not have put the fear of god in so many people, to the point of setting criminals free to safe their own hides.
      Enough said….

    56. Erik on December 7th, 2007 2:29 pm

      DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 2:14 pm :
      Nice one :)

    57. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 2:30 pm
    58. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 2:33 pm

      I hope all americans will boycott aruba, then at least there’s one country where we can go for an vacation and there aren’t any loud and rude americans around.

      God that must be heaven, an vacation resort without americans.

      Americans don’t own the world.

    59. Erik on December 7th, 2007 2:35 pm

      But getting back to the real issue, as Steerpike used to say: “An undiscovered crime is no crime”, and he was also right about that.

    60. Mike on December 7th, 2007 2:35 pm

      “I am really sorry to point this out, but with your dollar in a virtual free fall, Aruba is far too expensive for the likes of you.
      We may have a “Mickey Mouse system of justice”, but you have Mickey Mouse Money.”

      What a moronic statement….if this is true then why does Aruba want the American tourist business so much?

      Expensive is right thought….it could cost you your life if you travel to Aruba.

    61. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2007 2:42 pm

      I expected nothing less from this island of inbred’s & crack heads ruled by arrogant Dutch dog & pony judges.

      They will ALL get what they deserve in SPADES.

      COUNT ON IT BITCHES…

    62. Erik on December 7th, 2007 2:42 pm

      Mike on December 7th, 2007 2:35 pm :
      Yes

    63. Dan in Tx on December 7th, 2007 2:42 pm

      Remember, folks- don’t feed the trolls!

      Richard-

      Our government won’t listen to ONE person, but a few thousand it might listen to. Didn’t someone at one time tell us there is a way to petition the State Department to get involved?

      That’s always been a problem for us supporters. We’ve been going in a thousand different directions and no one effort has done much. Is it time for a boycott Aruba website? Way past in my opinion! I’ve asked this time and again and nobody seems to want to step up and do that. Tom and Red would be great choices.

      As for me, I think the one thing we can do is continue to boycott. You see, when election time rolls around in Aruba, you can bet the opposition will use this travesty of justice to their best effects. We’ll hear what the true losses to tourism was at that point. Best we can do now is to make each and every Aruban pay for the sins of the government THEY elected, and hope a new regime will find a way to resolve this. And yes, I used the term ‘regime’ on purpose.

      I have a ‘travel Aruba’ website planned that presents only bad (that is, true) information about one unsafe, corrupt little island. Every time someone visits, it will register to the search engines as a hit on that topic. In time, it will be at the top of the search engines list. It is all I can do for now, so I’ll do it.

      I would like to ask Aruba’s few supporters of this, though: if Aruba’s justice system works so well, why did the ONLY THREE SUSPECTS walk out of jail? Natalee did not just disappear.

    64. Mike on December 7th, 2007 2:42 pm

      “I hope all americans will boycott aruba, then at least there’s one country where we can go for an vacation and there aren’t any loud and rude americans around.

      God that must be heaven, an vacation resort without americans.

      Americans don’t own the world.”

      Wow…were rude and loud for wanting justice for a Girl who was almost certainly raped and murdered on one of your kingdoms territories.

      How dare us.

    65. OneandOnly on December 7th, 2007 2:42 pm

      And like Kloothommel mentioned it would be great if you Americans would boycot Aruba. Why don’t you boycot Holland too?

    66. Jennifer on December 7th, 2007 2:43 pm

      What I dont get is that it is obvious there are no reprocussions for whomever harmed Natalee, and since there is no punishment and perfectly acceptable to murder with out consequence … why not just tell her parents where she is?

    67. Susan on December 7th, 2007 2:49 pm

      #58 – klohomo – Would you like to put some money on it? :-)

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    68. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 2:53 pm

      @Susan on December 7th, 2007 2:49 pm

      #58 – klohomo – Would you like to put some money on it?

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

      ============================================

      Boycott as long as you want, i couldn’t care less.

    69. kayjay on December 7th, 2007 2:58 pm

      I see all the vermin are now coming out of the woodwork..don’t engage these people in dialog, they are imo as corrupt as those defend and not worth the space they occupy on paper or in person.
      SINK THE DAMN ISLAND.

    70. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:01 pm

      I have a question for someone who is knowledgeable about the legal system in Aruba.

      1. Mos went to court with new evidence, a judge let Mos rearrest the creeps, is this correct?

      2. Who was the first Judge?

      3. We know Smid was the Judge who likes to let these creeps loose, in 2005 and now.

      4. Was Smid also the Judge who agreed to rearrest the creeps?

      5. If two different Judges and that’s how it works, I wonder how the first Judge feels about this?

      BOYCOTT ARUBA…..75% OF TOURISTS WHO GO TO ARUBA ARE AMERICANS, THAT BEING SAID, IF THE AMERICANS STICK TO GETHER AND BOYCOTT, THAT COULD BANKRUPT ARUBA AND LET HUGO TAKE OVER.

    71. miko on December 7th, 2007 3:02 pm

      How about OJ Simpson??I am glad that a bloodstained killer got what he deserved. Because he did get convicted, didn’t he??
      I am glad for you people that your system is perfect.
      Get real there was no physical evedence nor a single statement that was clear about that Joran did it.

    72. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:04 pm

      Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 2:33 pm

      You can have Aruba… Aruba made just for people like you.

    73. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 3:05 pm

      We love ya, Nat fam & friends!

      > Always darkest, before it’s dawn.

      ….

      http://tinyurl.com/29pwgy

      http://tinyurl.com/28mga8

      http://tinyurl.com/256lmq

      -j4n

    74. Telegraafhoerrr on December 7th, 2007 3:05 pm

      Come on guys, w’re not talking Ted Bundy here. Relax.

    75. Firefly on December 7th, 2007 3:10 pm

      I have been looking at those photos Carpe and I’m confused. There was a body found?? And you have used your computer to focus in on parts and believe it is Natalee? Who took these pictures and why then is Natalee’s body being kept a secret? I am VERY confused.

    76. Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:13 pm

      I’d rather see justice and closure for Natalee’s family then boycotts myself as I’m sure most on this blog do. But lets face it thats not going to happen because of either misconduct or incompatence….sad case all around.

    77. da wizard on December 7th, 2007 3:14 pm

      In the USA this guy coudn’t even have a fair trail.
      The USA media en all the believers of the holy mother Holloway have their sentence already made: guilty.
      So in the USA Joran would have got the deadpenelty…

    78. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2007 3:16 pm

      The court announced Jurine’s release a couple of hours ahead of time in order for all the Aruban population to line up and kiss his ass.

      Remember he doesn’t care about the boycott or your standard of living takes a dive so he is laughing in Aruban’s face’s just as much as he is to the US.

      You idiot’s don’t even get that do ya?

    79. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 3:17 pm

      @Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:04 pm

      You don’t have to boycot Aruba, soon ya’ll can’t even afford an vacation at all.

      Or are you gonna take an extra Sub-prime loan to pay for an vacation.

    80. Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:18 pm

      Miko,

      Sticking your head in the sand doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Innocent people don’t lie to police multiple times if not crime was committed.

      Are you saying that since OJ excaped justice its alright that these 3 perps do? Man thats twisted.

      At least OJ was brought to trial and world even Joren supporters know what he is.

    81. minnesota dad on December 7th, 2007 3:18 pm

      Well folks….WHAT A SCAM…hate to say I called this.

      It all comes down to PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT’S TIMELINE.

      Why has Aruba avoided his timeline?
      Why has the KLPD avoided his timeline?

      Despite Aruban courts finding as fact that PVDS had two contacts with NH that night…no one is doing anything about it.

      Paulus is your perp. Paulus has been protected. Aruba/KLPD have covered nicely for PVDS while putting on a nice dog and pony show.

      MD

    82. murph on December 7th, 2007 3:18 pm

      Eric- One-your an idiot! two- USA makes up over 70% of aruba tourism so I agree we can’t afford to die in aruba. You can have it.

    83. Erik on December 7th, 2007 3:19 pm

      Jennifer on December 7th, 2007 2:43 pm:
      Yeah right, why not sink the whole U.S. of A.?
      The world would be a better place.

    84. KJ on December 7th, 2007 3:19 pm

      what a joke! Those 3 animals and the rest of their group will get their day soon!

      Aruba…you are going down!

    85. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 3:19 pm

      #70 – I was going to ask the same thing. Anybody out there have an answer to this?

      That is, why did the judge look at the evidence and decide there was enough new evidence to drag these three into jail again? But that later, there was a decision that there is NOT enough new evidence to keep them?

      What happened between the first decision to bring in the rapists, and the final decision to let them out?

    86. Scott on December 7th, 2007 3:20 pm

      #63 Dan in Tx
      You said “to make each and every Aruban pay for the sins of the government THEY elected”
      If you did your homework and you actually know what you are talking about you should know that the gov. has nothing the do with the justice dep. Even if they wanted to do something they don’t have the authority to do so. If you want to make a point, go to Holland and do that you idiot. Instead of almost everybody on here blaiming the people of Aruba. Do you really think that they don’t want this to end. If, again, you did your research you should know that the local people over there don’t want aything else than for this case to be over with. They aren’t even Arubans that’s the irony of the whole situation.

    87. John Staton on December 7th, 2007 3:21 pm

      Joran especially will never be free. He is marked and if the case against him is closed “something bad” is bound to happen to him. Frankly after the closure he has no protection because there is no reason to hold off on the many things which can be done to him. He will have to look over his shoulder the rest of his life. “Hard men do evil things so that honest people can sleep safe at night” George Orwell

    88. DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 3:23 pm

      vander F,

      Aruban law enforcement should have called the Dutch in right away. As you say, it is a small island. As a result, it is difficult to get justice when one of the island’s own is suspected of a crime. An outside party is needed.

    89. vander F on December 7th, 2007 3:25 pm

      Ah so what.
      like kloothommel states, the dollar is worth crap nowaday’s, ordinary Yanks can’t even afford to go there, so what are we talking about.

      Boycot is a laugh.

    90. Peter on December 7th, 2007 3:26 pm

      Has the boycot already started?

    91. Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:27 pm

      I agree Scott….the true Arubans are pawns in this…just look at the posts here from the dutch Joren supporters, they don’t really give a rats ass whats happens to Aruba.

    92. werner on December 7th, 2007 3:28 pm

      So by reading a few comments from the citizens of the o so crime free US of A, i tend to believe that you guys truly have lost your sanity .. But hey if my countries legal system would be so corrupt as that of the USA i would also start slandering other countries legal systems so that i would forget our own …

      But honestly..
      Where is the “innocent till proven”..

      Nathalee prolly had a good time on Aruba, went with the guys to the beach, refused the offer of sex by the 3 guys, they left her alone, as stoned as she was .. (hell i surly do not believe the “she is so innocent and a good christian” (the most so called good christians have more blood on their hands as well as a lot of skeletons in their clossets)..) She bounced into another guy who raped, killed, sliced her into pieces and fed her to the fish… But ,, with all the attention of the USA at 3 so called suspects the police never had any time to look into other directions cause the citizens of the USA where about ready to lynch those 3 … And the pressure was so high that they only had them as a suspect..

      And with all that crap of Boycotting.. This is so typical american.. This only proves that you have no idea of political connections between the dutch and the americans..

      And yes yes i know you think “Hey, who was it who pulled your asses out of the fire in 1940-45″, yes you did as well as a lot of other countries, and trust me if you did not you would al be speaking german… so you see everything has a political agenda.. So stop being an arse and start thinking instead of just mindlessly yelling things of which you do not understand… despite the anger you have be reasonable…

      And about that Joran Knows what happened, maybe it is so embarrasing for her family that he thinks of her being murdered is far more acceptable then what she really did ..

    93. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:30 pm

      Klootwyk

      I don’t need to go anywhere for a vacation,,,,,I live in the USA….

    94. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 3:30 pm

      74-

      How would you know?

      Actually, now

      that you mention it, Ted & Joran have

      very similar thought patterns.

      F’n creeps.

      75- The body in the Marriott Basin

      with the Natalee eyes and face

      is available on the net.

      GOOGLE: CHICAGO #24 VIDEO

      The eyes show up at 2:47. The bag is on camera

      from 2:45 to 2:55.

      Turn the sound down if you don’t like rap.

      …vid…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnmWu0Yssh8

    95. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 3:31 pm

      And irony off it all is that if the european country’s had indeed done justice in the past, the USA wouldn’t even have existet in the first place, cuz most of the european’s that where shipped to the US where conemned to death or go to the new world.

      Yes that is correct, most americans are related to criminals that where unwanted in europe.

      Maybe whe should consinder giving it back to the Indians as they are the real american’s.

    96. kayjay on December 7th, 2007 3:33 pm

      Richard
      I will help in any way I can to petition the State Dept. or any other avenue that is worth pursuing. I don’t know how to contact you, but if you need my signature Scared Monkeys has my permission to give you my email.

    97. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 3:36 pm

      Has Nathaly been found yet?

      *travels to Aruba next friday*

    98. 10061906 on December 7th, 2007 3:36 pm

      Let us not forget what Richard wanted us to do for the 9th of December!!!!!!!

      http://www.compassionatefriends.org/

    99. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 3:38 pm

      da wizard on December 7th, 2007 3:14 pm

      “have got the deadpenelty…” ???

      iz-nitch PUH-LEEZE!

      Be gone with you, lest Glenda

      the Good Bitch flies in on her

      broomstick and drops a house

      on that a$$. -j4n

    100. vander F on December 7th, 2007 3:40 pm

      @# Scott on December 7th, 2007 3:20 pm

      forget it, Aruba has a status aparte in the Kingdom and is verocious stating it is largely independant.
      They hate it to involve Dutch whatever.

      The Antilles are known to be an expensive pain in the arse for the Netherlands.

      In the Netherlands most people would not care if Chavez invaded the damn dry rocks.
      Let him have it.

    101. Otto on December 7th, 2007 3:40 pm

      To start, yes it is a tragic story and I hope whoever did it will eventually be caught (maybe Joran, or maybe some other passer by after Joran left her on the beach – drunk, maybe the Kalpoe brothers). Hard to judge without having seen all the evidence, without weapon, body or confession. I do think in the US he would be convicted by a jury who has different notions of reasonable doubt then judges do. But about Aruba, it’s not such an unsafe place as you think. The reason the Aruban investigators are so inexperienced is, well, they have little experience because murders are very rare on that island. In contrary to cities like Washington DC and New York (where I work) where hundreds of people get killed every year despite a very capable and experienced police force. But you don’t go boycotting those do you?

    102. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 3:41 pm

      Is there already an english version of Jorans latest book available in the States by the way? Its about “his” side of this story…

      http://www.nl.bol.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/nl/-/EUR/BOL_DisplayProductInformation-Start?Section=BOOK&BOL_OWNER_ID=1001004004808920

    103. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 3:43 pm

      @Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:30 pm

      True, soon you don;t need to go to africa to visit an third world country cuz soon you’ll be living in one.

      P.S.

      Have you actually ever been outside the USA.
      You never crossed the state border i bet.

      P.P.S.

      How can you even boycot Aruba if you even don’t go on vacations.

    104. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:44 pm

      Kloot

      Was it our mistake to help the Dutch during the war? What language do you think you’d be speaking now?

    105. Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:48 pm

      #86,

      Scottie,

      If the arubans want it over so badly then somebody needs to talk. If you expect me to believe that NOBODY on that lava rock knows anything then you as just as stupid as they are. IMO this has signed the death warrant for some people. The legal system had their chance. They ALL said they know what happened and do not want to talk but your piece of shit called a legal system decided to protect them all. So I personally will not loose any sleep if somebody plays vigilante on their asses. I hope it includes Paulus and that ugly hag called his wife.

    106. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:52 pm

      When ppl boycotted Nike and the likes, did they happen to care about the employees of that company?

      No I don’t think so. I think they wanted to get a message across.

    107. Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:53 pm

      Wow,

      The trolls are out in force or at the least someone is using a variety of different names.

      But whoever werner is congrats…it took you almost the full year to accomplish it but you have won the asshole of the year award.

      SM feel free to edit if you have to :-)

    108. Netherlands on December 7th, 2007 3:54 pm

      Aruba is going down, f*** Joran, there law system is screwed up, etc. make up for the majority of the comments here. Why do I ask myself? For a body that still has not been found? For a girl known for partying, including alcohol and drugs? Even Dr Phil had something to say about the whole situation, for christ sake what does he got to do with it? And in the meantime? Another mall shootout,with almost no media coverage compared to this old case. The society in the USA is so sick and twisted that shootouts are considered normal, while a possible, not proven murder in another country gets primetime media coverage for months. What is the next step? Declare a war against Aruba? Again undermine UN regulations? Boycotting tourism? Always judging other countries, thinking that the world is yours. I’m happy to live in Europe and not be part of your sick society without any self reflection.

    109. brie on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm

      SCREW ARUBA….!

    110. Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm

      #102 Whitefoodt

      The only way I would buy that book is if Jurine was there to sign it and THEN I WOULD SHOVE IT UP HIS ASS!

    111. reed on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm

      hopefully Beth and Dave will now make public the information they have been witholding while this was an active case.

      also, why… why in the world would these 3, at a minimum be charged with raping Natalee? dont they have stmnts by all 3 saying they had sex with her while she was unconcious??????? CHARGE THEM WITH RAPE! CHARGE THEM WITH RAPE!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE. JORAN EVEN KNEW THE COLOR OF HER PANTIES! I JUST DONT GET IT. CHARGE THEM WITH THE LESSER CRIME OF RAPE AT LEAST

    112. TERRI on December 7th, 2007 3:57 pm

      #102 yes, the english version is If’n I Did It by Joran Van Der Sloot.

    113. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 3:57 pm

      The only thing that Aruba has contributed to the Dutch Kingdom (why the f*ck by the way did we ever trade suriname for new-rotterdam… ganz other story) is poverty, violence, racism and bolitoshitters (those “netherfriends” that come by plane carying kilos of coke up their ass).

      We say goodbye to them, we say be yourself, be who you wanna be, be independant, stay there, don’t try your luck in the Netherlands. Try Venezuela, try the US for gods sake but stay away!

    114. reed on December 7th, 2007 4:00 pm

      SORRY^ above post should say “why have they NOT been charged with rape?”

    115. Netherlands on December 7th, 2007 4:01 pm

      Yes, another one: ‘screw aruba’. Smart comment, ever considerd that Aruba is safer than your average school or shopping mall?

    116. vander F on December 7th, 2007 4:03 pm

      # reed on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm,

      don’t be silly, you need sperm tracks etc. for that,
      what the hell, why not give them a speeding ticket,
      let’s go wild.

    117. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 4:07 pm

      @Mike 3:56

      Signingsessions will be held in 0031 during the spring. Take notice of the (dutch) publications if you’re really interested. And take Aruba too while you’re at it.

    118. M Dabby on December 7th, 2007 4:09 pm

      Who’s Rosalie Klein

    119. Steph on December 7th, 2007 4:10 pm

      I have a daughter the same age as Natalee Holloway. I can’t even image the pain the Holloway families have had to endure all these years. Being jerked around time and time again. It is so sad. I think Beth and Dave handled themselves with the utmost respect and patience. I know I could never have been that calm. But I know they had to, with the blackmail from the Arubian Gov. that if they put certain info on the news that would no longer search for Natalee. I hope to hear the whole ugly story from JQK on everything that went on there. Beth’s and Dave’s books brought so much insight to the whole behind the scenes. There is much more that we ever imagined on what happeded, to total corruptness, and uncaring that an American citizen is missing on there Island.

    120. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 4:11 pm

      Hey Nederlands.

      your missing the point, its right on your head.

    121. Mike on December 7th, 2007 4:11 pm

      Come on how can you compare a island with 100,000 citizens with a country with 300 million.

      Aruba its the size of a small city in the US and there seems to quite alot of crime there thats reported not to mention what must go unreported.

    122. Peter on December 7th, 2007 4:13 pm

      whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 3:41 pm

      Is there already an english version of Jorans latest
      book available in the States by the way?

      ****************************************************

      You don’t boycotting it?

    123. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 4:13 pm

      @Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:44 pm

      1. Did you actually fight in europe, or are you just taking glory for something you even weren’t involved in?

      2. The Canadians & UK liberated us, not the USA.

      3. Hitler was greatly financed by the great grand daddy off youre current president

      4. The US only got involved cuz there economic interests where harmed, prior to Pearl Harbour they couldn’t give shit what germany & japan did, cuz they still did extensive busines with both country’s.

    124. Aruban Cesspool on December 7th, 2007 4:14 pm

      I am adding Kloothommel to the 10 Most Wanted List.

    125. Scott on December 7th, 2007 4:14 pm

      #105 Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:48 pm

      Mike boy or mike idiot you decide.
      For you to say that they all said they know what happened and did not want to talk tells me you don’t know shit about the case you idiot. The three suspect aren’t even arubans you stupid idiot. If you ever been there and you talk to people over there you can say whatever you want, but apparently you haven’t so put a cork in it. You just follow what the media says like every other idiot on here. You don’t know nothing!!!!!!!! You think you do, but that’s just the media. Try looking a little bit further ohhh that’s right I’m talking to a hillbilly, that makes it impossible.

    126. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 4:18 pm

      @TERRI 3:57

      I smell a duft of preoccupation here. The boy hasn’t been convicted (yet). That he has lied over and over again looks pretty clear. But he’s going to get away with it. Why? Cause the judge couldn’t find even a trace of substant evidence. Like Jorans father is never getting tired to repeat: no body, no case!

    127. Scott on December 7th, 2007 4:20 pm

      Do you really think I care what happens to that dutch idiot, yes hear me right DUTCH, not Arubian, and those two SURINAM idiots. They could go to jail for 20 years for all I care. What irritates me is that a lot of you here really think that the Aruban people have something to do with this. Cover-up, WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!
      Do you really think they would cover it up for three idiots that aren’t even born on the island. Come on!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!!

    128. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 4:20 pm

      I’ll ask again . . . WHY DID THE JUDGE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND DECIDE TO DRAG THESE THREE INTO JAIL AGAIN, LATER TO LET THEM GO, BASED ON THE SAME EVIDENCE?

      WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE FIRST DECISION TO BRING THE RAPISTS IN AND THE FINAL DECISION TO LET THEM GO?

    129. Mike on December 7th, 2007 4:21 pm

      BTW there are 2 different Mike’s now posting…posts #105 and 110 was not I :-)

    130. TJ on December 7th, 2007 4:21 pm

      To #58….no, Americans don’t own the world, WE JUST DON’T PUT UP WITH TOO MUCH BULLSHIT!

    131. Otto on December 7th, 2007 4:22 pm

      What does helping Netherlands in the war has got to do with THIS? US didn’t really rush to help Netherlands anyway. US only entered war after being attacked itself by Japan. In majority, Brits (in the war since 1939 instead of 1941) and the Canadians liberated The Netherlands, with the exception of the heroic contribution of the 101st Airborne (operation market Garden) for which the people (and their children & grandchildren) of Eindhoven still thank the veterans EVERY year. Don’t blame an entire peacefull population for a murder comitted on an island the Dutch don’t even want!

    132. Mike on December 7th, 2007 4:26 pm

      Scott,

      Then you think it’s pure incompetence then?

      No way you can approve on how ALE has handled this case right?

    133. Mike on December 7th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Otto,

      Don’t forget the 82nd Airborne :-)

    134. Otto on December 7th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Nurturer, I’ll explain. Prosecutor/police can decide to arrest and put in jail for a certain maximum period of time. Then to prolong the custody they need approval from a judge. That’s called accountability. The judge concluded that there wasn’t really any new evidence and thus had no choice to let Joran go. Innocent until proven guilty.

    135. Fin on December 7th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Don’t people understand you have to have evidence to convict somebody?

      And about the boycot? Seen the dollar lately?
      http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=EUR&amt=1&t=1d

    136. Dan in Tx on December 7th, 2007 4:32 pm

      #86: You do your homework. The gov’t always had the ability to ask the Dutch, the FBI, or anyone else they wanted to take over the investigation. Neither Dutch nor Aruban law prohibits this.

      Mos was brought in only when Paulus’ corrupt friends were certain there was no trail back to him or them.

      The Arubans want this to end because of their pocketbook, not because they actually give a damn about the victim or her family’s ordeal. If you guys really cared, why did you RE-ELECT the MEP months into this scandal when you should’ve known by then your gov’t was crooked? I hate to tell you guys but just because your gov’t is corrupt to the core doesn’t mean that’s the norm.

      Speaking of the USD dropping like a stone, that must be why I drive a 2008 model car and don’t even miss the $200 a month loan repay for my college….we’re doing SOOOO badly here!

      Mike at #105 speaks the truth. Arubans have no right to cry until they’ve done everything they can to FORCE answers for this family. Like telling the truth.

      As for the Netherlands, none of this wouldn’t have happened if not for status aparte. That was a big mistake and now you have to live with it due to treaty. Also makes a convenient excuse for not doing anything…I guess the Carauna-Cuntreras scandal in Aruba wasn’t your fault either? And that’s why we’re not boycotting the Netherlands: they can’t do anything more without abolishing a terrible piece of legislation that allows these corrupt little incestuous islands to govern themselves.

    137. Marc on December 7th, 2007 4:33 pm

      Erik (#39 and others): it’s sad that you disregard Natalee’s life. It’s not simply a matter of whether Joran or the Kalpoe’s are guilty, it’s a matter than Aruba has either botched or covered up the investigation/crime from the start. Your disregard for her life (she was a fellow human being for crying out loud, not some vase that was just accidently broken!) is unfortunately the precise problem we’re seeing from all of Aruba. You just don’t care about the fact that she was killed. Just an innocent, young, naive girl. She walked into a place where tourists are consumed for pleasure and the society at large is, by and large, ok with it. Very sad how you all disregard human life like that.

    138. Marc on December 7th, 2007 4:34 pm

      Aruba “one sociopathic island”…

    139. juan on December 7th, 2007 4:34 pm

      Sorry, miss-underestimated
      i would think first before trying law school. (again) The same for dennis from tn.

    140. Otto on December 7th, 2007 4:35 pm

      Sorry Mike, you’re correct. These men where the finest soldiers on earth.

    141. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 4:36 pm

      @nurturer on December 7th, 2007 4:20 pm

      If you actualy had taken the small amount of interest in the justice system of Aruba then you would have KOWN THAT JUDGES CANNOT ORDER AN ARREST IN THIS SYSTEM, IT’S THE OM (COMPARABLE TO YOURE D.A.) THAT ONLY CAN ORDER THE ARREST, IT’S THE JUDGE THAT CAN OVERTURN THAT DECISION.

      So to put in in the correct context.

      The OM (D.A.) thinks it has new evidence so they order the arrest, this has to be proven to the Judge that the arrest was justified, the Judge has ruled that this ‘new’ evidence is not enough reason to detain the ‘suspects’ on.

      Case closed (for now).

      And let me remind the americans that an trial on this flimsy evidence is not adviced if they are not convicted then there is NO second chance, if if they find real new evidence like the body with DNA traces.

      In the Aruban justice system you cannot be tried a second time for the same crime.

      So stop yelling for an trial cuz on this evidence they will never be convicted and after that they can never ever be convicted, even if they conves to the crime.

      For Joran maybe an trial would be the best that could happen to him, he then would probably get off the hook for ever, now they can give him an trial (if neccesary) for the next 20 year’s.

      I actually couldn’t care less what happens to him, but i get totally irritated by the americans yelling there big mouths without knowing jack shit about the system.

    142. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 4:36 pm

      Nathalee prolly had a good time on Aruba, went with the guys to the beach, refused the offer of sex by the 3 guys, they left her alone, as stoned as she was ..

      …snip

      Ah mannnn… that Chronic must be good today, boy!

      You are starting to sound like that polyester

      stretch pants wearing oinker,

      Elsie Van der sloot.

    143. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 4:36 pm

      Maybe bombing the place would help…

    144. Poek on December 7th, 2007 4:39 pm

      Your being powned by the Dutch right now, as in the Capital of Denmark. But lovely to meet you.

    145. whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 4:41 pm

      @Peter 4:13

      Freedom of speech is our most true value.

      *is not going to buy Jorans lies*

    146. Mike on December 7th, 2007 4:41 pm

      I love when I hear the argument of no evidence….theres if there is no evidence its because they waited 10 days to begin the investigation…allowed the perps over a week to clean up their act. allowed them time to try and get their stories straight…which they haven’t really been able to do.

      The damn chief of police was the main suspects father best friend and didn’t even take himself off the case.

      Come on my Dutch friends you have to know this stinks.

    147. Mike on December 7th, 2007 4:43 pm

      Otto,

      Like General Browning said….one bridge too far.

      But we agree a galant efford by all the allies Brits, Dutch, Americans…and don’t forget the Polish.

    148. Aruban Cesspool on December 7th, 2007 4:43 pm

      Otto and Fin have been added to the Most Wanted list.

    149. Marc on December 7th, 2007 4:45 pm

      It is over. And has been from the start… Ever since it became apparent in the first few weeks that the Aruban system was going to cover up or turn a blind eye to the evidence that Natalee was dead (eg. “maybe she was kidnapped and taken to South America”, “maybe she’s on crack and holed up in a bungalow, high”, “maybe the black hotel security guard picked her up in the parking lot and did something with her”), I have been telling my wife that this case is dead. Evidence was not collected at the start and the crime was allowed to go cold and blow away in the wind from the very start. My impression was that Aruba is not going to prosecute an Aruban member of the ruling class. And the Kalpoes will get a pass, too, since their convictions would also bring Joran down. And probably Paulus, helper to the guilty. Over the past couple of years every single time this story hits the news again I tell my wife “nothing will come from this – the case was killed in the first week” and every time that has been true including this time. It’s unfortunate but it is clear and has been clear for two years that Aruba has killed the investigation and prosecution of the case. And even an honest prosecutor is not going to find worthwhile evidence now. In my mind I’m certain that Joran was able to get a boat, weigh her body down and drop it in deep water. Unfortunately with sea creatures and current their is essentially zero chance of finding any remains now. Sad but this was over from the first week. And Aruba is happy about it that way as you can tell from the consensus opinions of the Arubans on this forum.

    150. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 4:46 pm

      #131 – Historically correct.

      And . . . can we knock off the infantile bickering!?!?!

    151. Richard on December 7th, 2007 4:52 pm

      Kayjay #96), if you write to Vicki at the email that’s been posted here, she can forward your message. Thanks, Vicki!

      And she’s sort of the central coordinator for the trade show protests right now anyway … I guess she can coordinate the mutual flow of messages?

      And as 10061096 (#98) kindly reminded us, there will be a ‘virtual candle posting’ opportunity this Sunday.

      It looks as though any hopes that Aruba will push for justice have been dashed, unless something unexpected happens. If the water search is successful (again, American volunteers are doing the duty of the Dutch and Arubans … is anyone surprised at that?), that will force Aruba’s hand … at least, I don’t see how it wouldn’t.

      If not, well, we’ll see what happens next.

      (I’ve still not abandoned the idea that Joran and crew, probably with help from Paulus, handed Natalee over to some drug lord who took her off the island. The cover-up right now is so obvious that it’s clear they’re hiding something big.)

      Whatever my ideas, though, we’ve got to start thinking beyond blogs. It’s time for stronger action than our trade show protests … though even the Dutch acknowledge that the boycott has had an impact.

      Aruba is a scorpion, to be sure, but it’s exposed on rocks. (Literally and figuratively.) If we work together, we can smash it.

      So let’s figure out how to do it.

      BTW, reading some of the disgusting posts here makes me think that Joran and Daddy ran right to post their BS on this forum.

    152. stoney on December 7th, 2007 4:53 pm

      Thats where you are wrong Scott they are not covering up for these three idiots. Or atleast not these three idiots( ugly, horny, stupid Idiots might I add) these three are the middleman to something much more dark and much more corrupt than we all can fathom. Its aruba’s crime there covering up for the boys just got caught doing what aruba curaco and all the other crappy places do.

    153. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 4:53 pm

      Klootwyk,

      I see history is not your forte.

    154. Richard on December 7th, 2007 4:54 pm

      Mos repeated what was said before … prosecution is possible without a body. Why not do it?

    155. Otto on December 7th, 2007 4:55 pm

      Very mature Arabuan Cesspool, very mature. Did I not say I want the killer caught too? Just pointing out that some bloggers on here have nothing intelligent to add except “kill them” “shoot them” and “bomb them” etc. That is really a shame because Dutch – American relations go way back and are pretty strong. 2 US presidents where even from Dutch ancestry. Lighten up! Have a look at http://www.giveusbacknewyork.com Greetings from a Dutch citizen happily living in the Land of Golden Opportunities.

    156. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 4:55 pm

      Kloot=Paulus,,,,I notice the name used, that name was used in reference to Natalee’s mom

    157. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 4:56 pm

      #141

      In the first place – I’m not American. Alright?

      Second – thanks for the information.

      Third – Next time, try the decaf.

    158. Scott on December 7th, 2007 4:56 pm

      #136 Dan in Tx on December 7th, 2007 4:32 pm

      They did ask the dutch to take over you idiot and look what happened. As for the FBI you idiot they don’t have the jurisdiction to do so.
      I don’t know what bragging about what kind a car you drive has anything to do with this. WHO CARES!!!!!!
      And the biggest joke of all what the HeLL do you know about the staus aparte!!!! Do you even know what it means and I think deep down you really want to live there. It’s ok you can do that don’t be ashamed to admit it.
      Just keep driving your 2008 piece of crap and pay your college fee and leave the people of Aruba alone. They don’t bother you so I suggest you do the same IDIOT!!!!!!

    159. super dave on December 7th, 2007 4:57 pm

      #39 erik: you feed off American money like you do your father and your mother’s c@ck.

    160. Fin on December 7th, 2007 4:58 pm

      > Aruban Cesspool on December 7th, 2007 4:43 pm
      >
      > Otto and Fin have been added to
      > the Most Wanted list.

      Why? Because I linked to this linear line?
      http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=EUR&amt=1&t=2y

    161. Scott on December 7th, 2007 5:01 pm

      #152 stoney on December 7th, 2007 4:53 pm

      Offcourse Stoney, it’s all a big cover -up. Stop watching so many Hollywood movies and being Stoned STONEY hahahahaha. You probably got the munchies now to,while you try to figure this whole big CONSPIRACY out!!!!! whoooooooooo
      Come on dude are you serious what a joke. Stop listening to the media so much and think fot your self.

    162. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 5:02 pm

      # 134 – Thanks Otto.

    163. Vicki on December 7th, 2007 5:05 pm

      YOY TROLLS can say whatever you want, one day this will happen to a loved one of yours. You see what goes around comes around. I feel sorry for you all, cause you cant even SPELL. You are all PATHETIC…LOSERS condemded to HELL. Sleep tight you fools, cause your VOLCANIC ASHE WILL SINK…and then maybe the corrupt IDIOTS running SATANS ISLAND will go to the NETHERLANDS…

    164. Peter on December 7th, 2007 5:08 pm

      what an AH

    165. Fin on December 7th, 2007 5:10 pm

      @ Vicky # 163

      > YOY TROLLS can say whatever you want, one day this
      > will happen to a loved one of yours. You see what
      > goes around comes around.

      Are you stating you are planning to do a crime?

    166. Maggie on December 7th, 2007 5:12 pm

      Not many murders in Aruba, so not good at investigating one hmmm as quoted from someone up above. Don’t you think though if someone who has been a co-worker and worked for the govt and the people now investigating them, then an outside group should be brought in to avoid appearances of bias and conflicts of interest right from the start? That’s just of the many things that makes this smell so bad.

    167. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 5:13 pm

      #149 – Not knowing how he knows about Aruban waters and maybe he was just speaking in general terms, but Dr. Bawden being interviewed said that if Natalee’s body is where they suspect it to be, then due to the depth and the likely lack of animal life at that same depth, that her body should be relatively undisturbed. Meaning, it will render forensic evidence.

    168. John Staton on December 7th, 2007 5:14 pm

      No legal system will work if the officers of the court are indeed corrupt and in league in a cover up of a crime. That this occurred in Aruba has been voiced by people as diverse as Mike Walsh to Dr Phil. Many people have voice the opinion that inept and stupid can go only so far and that corrupt becomes the answer for Aruba. International travel is based upon a lot more than some currency value change. It would take a truly major change to effect travel especially concerning how competitive the industry is and how many deals can be found for destinations.

      Aruba as an economic entity has been greatly injured. Not only is their principal source of income gone into recession, but their change in tax policy though able to assist temporarily to balance their budget in the long run will stunt the economic growth further.

      The legal system in Aruba has some positive attributes but also contains one huge negative in that it removes the value for one member of a conspiracy to turn on the others. The individual gains nothing and loses the same as the others. Probably more so as the stay in prison becomes more dangerous.

      The individuals involved are now targets for people of opportunity. Their celebrity status is based upon the dubious distinction of having committed a terrible crime. That status not only gives them no protection but makes them targets with large bulls eyes on them. There is money for anyone that can persuade them to give up the information that they hold. Once the information is extracted their lives are of negative value.

    169. Mike on December 7th, 2007 5:15 pm

      #92 Werner,

      You are dumber than Jurine if you think that SOB is embarrassed about anything. There is a big difference between embarrassed and proud.

    170. Scott on December 7th, 2007 5:18 pm

      #163 Vicky,

      Take a Vallium. Relax you will have a nervous breakdown. What’s the problem can’t handle the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Well sorry to bring it to you but that is reality. By the way it can’t sink it’s higher than the sea level. hahahahahaha
      Remember Vicky take it easy it’s okay that not everybody has the same point of view than you. Isn’t that what America is all about.

    171. LilPuma on December 7th, 2007 5:25 pm

      39 Erik. We’ll do our best to make Aruba’s tourism weaker than the U.S. Dollar, which is what Aruba’s economy runs on, btw. Mickey Mouse could buy Aruba 100 times over at least.

      49. Katablog. I agree completely. Well said. The whole post.

      58. Kloothommel. No, we don’t own the world. But we have freedom of speech and can, on American soil, speak out against corruption, rape, murder and injustice anywhere in the world.

      71. Miko. We fussed (and still do) over OJ Simpson. We’re not saying our system is perfect, we speak out about it all the time. Why don’t Arubans?

      108. Netherlands. The mall shooting is all over the news.

      For all those who are so critical of the U.S., feel free not to come here. In the same way, we will criticize and refuse to go to Aruba. I don’t blame the Netherlands. I realize many are upset, as am I, and are venting here, but I hope all will calm down and turn that adrenaline into something positive. We can make a difference. While I’m not suggesting we drop J4N or Boycott Aruba, I am hoping that we can put our collective strength and numbers together to do some great things. How about –

      Perhaps Dana could have Beth on to talk about her Foundation and let us know if we can do anything to help. Goodness knows, the Monkeys have shown they can gather info, spread the word, even do fund raising. So many talented Monkeys! Maybe Dave and Tim Miller also? Wendy Murphy and Stephanie Good have talked about problems with our justice system, and we’ve heard about parents fighting the arrogance of the Japanese courts in child custody cases. Can we each get involved somehow in whatever way our talents and interests lead? Maybe a SM radio show about what Monkeys and Others can do to help in the U.S. and elsewhere to find missing persons, prevent crime, fight corruption and safeguard ourselves and our children. What better tribute to Natalee and her family if we bring our talents together to make a difference.

    172. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2007 5:33 pm

      A 10-day free pass for Joran and the Kalpoes in the beginning,

      Think of the forensic evidence that SHOULD HAVE BEEN COLLECTED.

    173. Dana on December 7th, 2007 5:33 pm

      No doubt Great will have Tacopina as a featured guest tonight.
      She wont answer my emails, but someone or many of you should ask this.

      1. Did Tacopina represent Joran in Aruba? If so he must have credentials to practise law there? If not why does Fox news continue to pimp Tacopina as Jorans lawyer?
      Will you have Jorans lawyer from Aruba on?
      Or is this a exclusive deal with Tacopina that he will be Jorans mouthpiece in the media.

      Send it to her blog and email it to her.
      Im curious, are you ?
      __________________________
      SM: Word on the streets is that Joran is on his way to the US. My guess is first stop will be to do an interview with Greta. (klaasend)

    174. Marc on December 7th, 2007 5:34 pm

      167… I’m not an expert in Aruban waters, but I’m generally familiar with the waters around several of the Caribbean islands to the north, as I’m a scuba diver and have dived in those waters many times. I’m not sure what depth her body would have dropped since it would depend on how far out they went… but I would assume it would be at least several hundred feet deep. But sea life exists very deep in the ocean (think of the National Geographics you seen is dark waters well over a thousand feet down – all the strange looking deep-sea creatures … many of those are scavengers since dead animals tend to sink to the bottom if not consumed before they reach there). So she would have had to sank probably thousands of feet to be out of range of a plethora of sea creatures. At those depths it would take very expensive equipment (there are not a lot of deep water subs in world – most are owned by either the military, commercial salvage operations or marine biology institutes like Woods Hole) to scour the bottom at that depth. Plus they would have had to travel a long way from shore (and they probably did) to get her to such depths. That increases the circumference (area within) that must be scanned by an exponentially increasing factor (“pi r squared”) and that greatly increases the unlikelihood of finding her. Finally, the currents in the Caribbean are typically fairly strong and continuous. They are frequently too strong for a diver to swim against and that would be true even if her body sank thousands of feet. Over the past two years it would have been subject to being swept away and/or covered over by silt (think of submerged wrecks off the Atlantic that are sometimes found under many feet of silt). So an exposed body in the vicinity of where it was dropped off seems highly unlikely to me. Most likely there is nothing left but if there is it would be a bigger job than looking for a needle in a haystack. With all due respect to Dr. Bauden (although I didn’t hear precisely what he said).

    175. Dana on December 7th, 2007 5:35 pm

      No doubt Greta will have Tacopina as a featured guest tonight.
      She wont answer my emails, but someone or many of you should ask this.

      1. Did Tacopina represent Joran in Aruba? If so he must have credentials to practise law there? If not why does Fox news continue to pimp Tacopina as Jorans lawyer?
      Will you have Jorans lawyer from Aruba on?
      Or is this a exclusive deal with Tacopina that he will be Jorans mouthpiece in the media.

      Send it to her blog and email it to her.
      Im curious, are you ?

      Of Course I meant Greta. :-)

    176. Dan in Tx on December 7th, 2007 5:38 pm

      I completely understand status aparte- it means the Netherlands cannot interfere into Aruban matters UNLESS INVITED. Like Mos and his team was.
      Hold on…if Aruba couldn’t invite the FBI or anyone else in at the beginning and yet Mos is there now…was Rudy Croes lying when he claimed that had to be an internal affair or did Aruba change its laws while we weren’t looking?

      I find it utterly astounding that you think the Dutch screwed it up. If the ALE was so crackerjack, why are we still discussing this over two years later? Because they screwed it up, and Mos was the island’s vaguely-disguised but empty attempt to make us think they really cared.

      They’ll care when election time comes and everyone in the welfare lines goes to vote. That is assuming that democracy really exists in Aruba (and that was called into question by the Dutch way back in the late 1980s).

      Let me explain my comments about my vehicle and income, friend. I’m not the exceptional American, I’m the rule. As Mr. Stanton comments, economics is more than just money exchange. In fact, according to the January 2008 issue of Travelage West, tourism from the U.S. to Europe is expected to jump this year- despite the falling dollar.

      To further explain something YOU obviously do not understand- even if Americans couldn’t afford to travel to Aruba anymore, Aruba would still have to make up the difference from somewhere. Perhaps Venezuelans will fill the gap, where one USD is worth approximately 2100 bolivares. Lotta spending power there.

      Another thing you don’t understand that Mr. Stanton does is how competitive the Caribbean is. Aruba isn’t anything special- except, due largely to distance, it is one of the most expensive destinations. A third thing Arubans in general don’t understand is that we demand justice and nobody is going to make us go to Aruba.

      Pull your heads out of the sand and face it: your government is corrupt and you’re sleeping with the Devil.

    177. Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 5:41 pm

      @LilPuma on December 7th, 2007 5:25 pm

      1. I have nothing personal against the USA.

      2. I don’t mind if you americans feel that corruption stands in the way of justice.

      3. I don’t mind that americans boycot aruba for this.

      4. I couldn’t care less what happens to Joran van der sloot, for all i care they tos him in an cell with bubba for the rest of his live.

      4. I do however hate people that yell hysterical without even taking the effort of finding out how the aruban justice system works, scream that somebody did it without so much an millimeter of evidence, call an entire island corrupt due to the actions of an few people.

      Natalee could actually stil be alive for all we know, actually, in the aruban system you only can get an “probably dead statement” after 5 years of being missing.

      And for the people now starting to yell that she’s dead, read this story.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0320160620071203?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt

      Until they find an body or till she’s found alive we simply don’t know what happend.

    178. Vicki on December 7th, 2007 5:41 pm

      justicefornatalee@gmail.com is the email addy…we are coming for you you freakin losers….w will win. In case you dont et the news..we are very effective with boycotts as in NIKE and Ford…thats right.
      Nurturer, I have someone who will set up a web page so ppl can see where to go for flyers info..etc. If you email me I will let you in. We all need to work together.we are to NICE. Its time now for action. Cant wait till URINE gets back to Holland and gets drunk again…maybe someone will drug his yard.or maybe he will get it in LIERUBA…ahahahhahahaha,by the way #170- hows your DOG, the one who got hit by the car?????

    179. LilPuma on December 7th, 2007 5:43 pm

      Will do, Dana. Yes, I’m curious.

      I find it hard to believe that Joran would come to the U.S. given Anita’s sniffling shriek the last time about not knowing what this family (the Holloways) will do. I guess those who commit crimes or cover them up expect the same of others.

    180. Mike on December 7th, 2007 5:48 pm

      #125 Scottie

      Well I guess YOU need to read some transcripts and watch some interviews. I guess you believe like some of the other garbage over there that she just disappeared? Well then, “Beam me up Scottie”.

    181. molly in houston on December 7th, 2007 5:49 pm

      Horrible, just horrible.
      Carpe, beat that smirk off his face!!

      molly in houston

    182. 10061906 on December 7th, 2007 5:56 pm

      Well: today justice lost. It would have been difficult to accomplish especially
      when the foxes control the keys to the hen house.
      They think they have won the war; they have only won the first round.
      Aruba apparently does not know what is needed to bring an end to it’s recession.
      This whole farce is especially difficult to comprehend when Aruba will not even prosecute the suspects for crimes committed against Aruban Statutes.
      I guess the only way to teach them until they get it right is to:
      Boycott travel to Aruba and the other NA’,s islands.
      Boycott any aloe and phosphorous products.
      Boycott Valero gas.

    183. Nut44x4 on December 7th, 2007 5:59 pm

      Joran has Joey’s Mob buddies as body guards … he is fearless. Does Greta actually think this will be good for her ratings?? Think again Greta…I believe you are on Boycott watch as well.

    184. viet vet on December 7th, 2007 6:01 pm

      One point is certainly evident, we and they do not care much for each other. Joran is a freaking idiot if he comes to the US…but come on big goofy geek, step on over if you have the guts. And all of you from wherever you are who don’t like the US, kiss our A$$.

    185. nurturer on December 7th, 2007 6:04 pm

      #177 – Agreed. The body is the key to getting some real action in this case.

    186. diverboy on December 7th, 2007 6:07 pm

      I guarantee they will get Urine out of Aruba asap. Sloot sr. knows there are folks there that would love to settle other scores with him. Owe anyone for broken windshields, Urine?

    187. werner on December 7th, 2007 6:21 pm

      @mike

      First of all thankx for nominating me for Ahole of the year :) . Unfortunatly the year is almost over so i do hope you vote for me next year as well..

      One question for you tho
      Have you ever been to Aruba or The Netherlands ?

      First of all am tottaly not defending the 3 so called supects. But i do think that some of you posting here are clueless.

      Yelling for boycotts and bomb the place etc..
      How many teenagers disappear in the US without anyone ever gets convicted for it ?
      It does not even come in the news anymore.
      A girl disapears in Aruba and it is Hot news cause it rarly happens. and even with the population count of aruba VS the US the crime rate is still a lot lower in Aruba.

      And for the record, the dutch navy did a sweep with planes and ships 2 years back.. So do not say they did not do anything.

      As for the so called cover up’s, this is still a guess and not proven if this is true Joran’s father will eventually get what he deserves.

      And boycotting will not work, with this you will only harm the people who got nothing to do with it. And it will definitly not get a conviction out of this.. And if you follow the etire history of teh case you may find that even the FBI made huge mistakes but this is probably news you did not get cause it harms your legal system and that is prolly a definite no no …

    188. orang on December 7th, 2007 6:23 pm

      @ 184 viet vet:

      Gotta frag stuck in your brain?

      You remind me of a bumpersticker…

      Be nice to americans or we will bring democracy to your country.

    189. werner on December 7th, 2007 6:26 pm

      @171

      At least someone with intellect :) ..

    190. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 6:30 pm

      juan

      Speak english?

    191. Allan on December 7th, 2007 6:31 pm

      Jorans life is ruined. That will have to be enough for now. People like Joran get caught. Let it be more Aruba girls for him or maybe a Dutch girl next time. If an American hasn’t got enough sense not to go there after this let them pay the price. I told you it was all smoke and mirrors again, in which it was very evident.

    192. F ARUBA on December 7th, 2007 6:35 pm

      weaver is that fat slob Anita

    193. diverboy on December 7th, 2007 6:40 pm

      I think Urine should come stateside. go to college here. see how many beatings he can take before he mans up. pathetic little pr*ck. hide in europe, let it all go “away”….one day someone will throw him a legendary beating. he will never go back to aruba, he knows better. have a nice life knowing that people look at you and think you are a chickensh*t.

    194. Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 6:44 pm

      Did Mos have his press conference?

    195. Observer on December 7th, 2007 6:45 pm

      Every tourist worldwide should boycott aruba for what they did to this young girl and her family.

    196. Jan on December 7th, 2007 6:51 pm

      Well if Joran is on his way to the States it must mean they have internet on airplanes. He was on line a little while ago, as I just spoke to him.
      ________________________
      SM: They do have internet on airplanes. Hey Medley, maybe your sporter is coming to visit you? Better hurry and clean the house ;) (klaasend)

    197. Zoloft on December 7th, 2007 6:55 pm

      #diverboy on December 7th, 2007 6:40 pm

      Joran will be back in Arnhem soon, have a drink with lots of his friends, graduate and will find a job here.

      Innocent until proven guilty, that’s the way we live in Holland.

    198. Vicki on December 7th, 2007 7:00 pm

      I pray he comes and trys to settle in florida. I personally will hunt him down…the UGLY pig…We should contact Beth and see what we can do to help…thats an excellent idea.I have put the word out there…Beth,please contact me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com.

    199. Sharon Chicago on December 7th, 2007 7:00 pm

      Jorans dirty deeds are welcomed in Aruba but not in the USA… I do hope he comes here and plays the sporter here…. we operate under different game rules sporter. We all will be watching you and our women here will not wink a eye at you when they are reminded you were the last one seen with Natalee Holloway.

    200. Mike on December 7th, 2007 7:07 pm

      #187 Werner,

      Don’t worry, you will still get my vote. How many 18 year old dutch girls have gone missing in the US and the investigation been botched or covered up?? That is the ONLY comparison your dumbass is entitled to make.I will wait for your naming of this case in the US. Send your daughter over to the US and maybe someone will return the favor and we will see how you feel then. I don’t know though, she might be the one Jurine raped earlier and she would not press charges because she still loooved him. Talk about a hillbilly…….
      I don’t think anybody that can go downtown and walk around with a joint and pick out a prostitute from a storefront window has any room to talk….

    201. Mike on December 7th, 2007 7:10 pm

      And if the boycott is not working why the hell do you keep saying it is not working and we are hurting the good arubans. there are no such things now. they had a chance to speak up and did not, so they deserve what happens now.

    202. Mike on December 7th, 2007 7:15 pm

      177- Kloo,

      You posted to look at this:http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0320160620071203?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt

      How are the 2 cases even similar????

    203. Jan on December 7th, 2007 7:25 pm

      Hi Klassend! I honestly do not think Joran is on his way anywhere right now. Probably just another strange rumor.

    204. Zoloft on December 7th, 2007 7:26 pm

      # Mike on December 7th, 2007 7:07 pm

      IMHO, anyone who feels sorry for Natalee, but wishes the same treatment on someone elses daughter, has any room to talk too.
      Your last sentence sounds cildish in a mature discussion.

    205. mommytraveler on December 7th, 2007 7:39 pm

      Zoloft

      Joran cannot trust ANY of his friends; He cannot trust anyone his age, he has no way of knowing who and who will not “leak information” about his whereabouts, about what he is saying while drunk, about any little thing. Amsterdam is loaded with brothels willing to accommodate the sporter. Maybe, somebody will videotape him. Maybe somebody will tape conversations. Maybe his place of residence will be bugged. Everybody is suspect – even you Zoloft. The ladies and the men. Look out Joran – You will be followed everywhere. Bodyguards? That won’t be fun, will it Joran? Even they can turn on you. Even they can take photos of you. Even they can write books. Employed? Doing what? It’s all about the money – at some point somebody will want more money; then more and more money. This is costing Aruba a lot more than lost tourism. What I have never been able to figure out is WHY?

    206. Miles on December 7th, 2007 7:42 pm

      Hello,

      First of all let me say that I have lived on Aruba for quite some time in the last few years but now living in Holland again. While being on Aruba I’ve noticed that most inhabitants dont really give a f*** what happens to Joran, they just want to see the mystery solved. Don’t get me wrong, just like you guys, everybody’s talking about it and making funny theories which make me laugh.. Hell, maybe there is a cover-up going on for whatever I know.. But let me tell you just 1 thing, the Arubian people dont have anything to do with it! So stop talking shit like bombing the place or boycot it, because then you are hurting innocent human beings who try to make a living, which therefore makes you no better than the possible perpetrators.

      And for all you clue-horny people, here’s one:

      Isnt it strange that Natalee was reported missing quite some time after her girlfriends were back in the USA?! I mean, who would go on a plane, leaving their friend behind? this also seems extraordinary and difficult to explain, but then again, many things are..

      doei!
      _________________
      SM: Natalee was reported missing BY her girlfriends prior to them leaving for the airport. (klaasend)

    207. Ripper Rolfie on December 7th, 2007 7:47 pm

      @ #197 zoloft
      indeed thats how it works, and he might be even be getting rich because he wrote a book about all this and there are a lot of positive feedbacks on at least one webshop(bol.com) selling this book.

    208. DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 7:52 pm

      This case is not a reason to argue over WWII, American foreign and/or economic policy, or even the merits of different legal systems. Joran and the Kalpoes should have been suspicious under any legal system on earth. Innocent people do not behave the way they did. Even assuming one were ill-mannered enough to leave a foreign drunk girl on a beach in the wee hours of the morning, upon learning she was missing the next day he would have volunteered all he knew. The Aruban police were at best inept and lackadaisical, and probably something worse – corrupt. Because Paulus had friends in the legal system, and because it is a small island where virtually everyone knows everyone, an impartial observer cannot help but think the boys were given a free pass until the American media began creating pressure by giving a lot of publicity to the case. Today, yes, I think the Arubans want the case solved and life to return to pre-Natalee normalcy, but the damage has been done. The Aruban police allowed any evidence to be destroyed. Perhaps we will never learn the fate of Natalee Holloway, everyone’s idealized girl-next-door. But because of this amateurish, uncaring, incompetent, and probably corrupted investigation, Aruba’s name has been besmirched for a very long time.

    209. Sharon Chicago on December 7th, 2007 8:09 pm

      Fox news (6:08PM) ANNOUNCED updated startling news or something to that effect by one of the suspects on the Natalee Holloway case…

      NOW, I don’t believe it has to do with Joran being released that is not how I interpreted what they said in their news update…

      I am standing by for this update will get back to you.

    210. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2007 8:10 pm

      #127 Scott,

      No one is blaming the Aruban people. We are talking about the authorities.

      How do you explain it when ALE knew that Joran and the Kalpoes (the last persons Natalee was seen with) lied about the Holiday Inn dropoff —then instead of arresting them, ALE arrested two innocent security guards?

      That is not just a little “mistake.” No police force could be that dumb, not even ALE.

    211. Sharon Chicago on December 7th, 2007 8:13 pm

      Nope no news on Fox…major set back Joran was released today the key suspect

    212. miko on December 7th, 2007 8:14 pm

      reed on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm
      Everybody onAruba knew the color of her pantys and bra.So what??

    213. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2007 8:19 pm

      #206 Miles

      We don’t owe Aruba anything. We don’t owe our vacation dollars to them. We work hard for our money and will vacation where we please.

      We have the right to stand for justice and to warn other tourists about Aruba.

      The blame for a travel boycott lies squarely on the perps and Aruban officials. No one else.

    214. Mike on December 7th, 2007 8:28 pm

      #204,

      Learn to read asshole.
      I did not wish anything to his daughter. My point is he would feel a hell of a lot different if it happened to HIS daughter. I have 2 daughters that age and I let one go to Mexico on spring break. The difference is you know that you have to be aware of the problems, but they don’t advertise NO CRIME. I guess you do not have crime if it never is posted.
      I think you have been taking too much zoloft. You need to switch to prozac.

    215. Inu on December 7th, 2007 8:37 pm

      Yes! finally justice for Joran, and the brothers Kalpoe. They had nothing to do with it and the law proved it. This has been dragged on long enough, and just because some dumb American girl died, all hell had to brake loose for it. I am not laying awake because some white teenage junkie went wild on Aruba and died in the process.
      Damn, hundreds of people die or are missing in America, and all you care about is that one girl on Aruba.
      In the name of God let it rest. The Dutch people don’t care about Natalee, neither does the rest of the world. This only shows how ignorant you bunch of yankie baboons really are!

      This is my 2 cent, if you have any comments please email me.

    216. Scared Monkeys on December 7th, 2007 8:43 pm

      #215,

      You are a joke … you would actually make a comment about the ignorance of others with what you just wrote?

      LOL … You sad pathetic soul.

      You best hope in life nothing like this ever happens to you or anyone you care about. Life has a way of evening itself out.

      Just how much hate do you actually have in that little troll heart of your?
      R

    217. katablog on December 7th, 2007 9:22 pm

      For the record, has any poster from Aruba or Holland ever expressed an ounce of sympathy for just what Aruba has put the Holloway family through, including their outlandish (and totally unproven) statements accusing Natalee of her own death, accusing Beth and Jug of wanting her to disappear for money, spiriting her off the island on and hospital plane, etc.?

      I’ve only seen the comments like we’ve witnessed today – ugly, attacking and declaring there is no evidence even though we all know that Joran actually confessed to the crime! Okay, so Aruban law made the statement inadmissible because he was questioned after hours – but don’t deny that it happened! So it can’t be entered in court, but please don’t try to convince us that because of the law not admitting the statement, Joran didn’t do the crime. We know he did and anyone with half a brain knows it too.

      How on earth do you believe you are in any way representing your country or Aruba with the awful things you say?

      Not all Americans are caught in subprime loans. Many of us used sensible financing within our budgets and have plenty of money for travel and vacations. Heck, we just got back from a 21 day cruise to the Caribbean (nope, didn’t go to Aruba) and are strongly considering a 14 day trip over the holidays. Unfortunately the only openings on cruises are ones going to Aruba – wonder why that is??? Could it be that Americans don’t want to go to Aruba and rightfully so?

      Your hateful spew only endorses that decision to boycott One Crappy Little Island.

    218. JC on December 7th, 2007 9:29 pm

      As to the boycott, we should all keep in mind that even a single digit reduction in hotel guests can make the difference between profit and loss for a hotel. It is in those last few vacant rooms where all the profit lies, as the majority of the rooms cover the fixed and variable expenses. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that because business is down, rooms are heavily discounted, which leads to the possibility that the best they can do is achieve breakeven.

      So all this boils down to the fact that the current decline in Aruba tourism can and probably has had huge ramifications. And then the whole house of cards starts to come down…a few cuts in staff to make up the shortfall, leading to shoddier hotel service on one hand, and growing island unemployment on the other. Not a good combination!

      As for Joran, his time will come. It may not come today, or tomorrow, or next year, but the day will come when he will make a slip, however small, and then HIS house of cards will come down. There is no such thing as a perfect crime, and certainly not with these idiots. Someone, somewhere will get the proverbial wedge between them, and then they will all turn on each other.

    219. katablog on December 7th, 2007 9:30 pm

      >> If the water search is successful (again, American volunteers are doing the duty of the Dutch and Arubans … is anyone surprised at that?), that will force Aruba’s hand … at least, I don’t see how it wouldn’t.

    220. Inu on December 7th, 2007 9:31 pm

      @Katablog

      Ofcourse he confessed, I would confess to if I was being interrogated hours after hours, just so that they would stop and that you can have some rest. Hell I would even confess that I went back in time and shot Kennedy, if they asked me.

      Meh, whatever I am still going to Aruba and going to spend some hard Euros hehehe

    221. katablog on December 7th, 2007 9:33 pm

      Didn’t print all my comment:

      My comment to the water search is that I’d not be surprised if Aruba stops it from happening and if for some reason they allowed it, they would seize any evidence found and make it “disappear” like all the rest of the evidence turned over to them.

    222. brie on December 7th, 2007 9:34 pm

      Does anyone know why these 3 were at the police station early in the morning of the day Natalee became missing. There is definitely a reason why! But they will never tell us.

    223. katablog on December 7th, 2007 9:35 pm

      Inu: we saw those awful questions they interrogated Joran with like “what is your name” and “what did you do that night” – oh, okay, questioning all done.

      You put your life in the hands of very corrupt people if you go to Aruba, but help yourself!

    224. Inu on December 7th, 2007 9:38 pm

      @221

      I would be very suprised if they found anything after 2 years.

    225. John Bertrand on December 7th, 2007 9:40 pm

      I am placing a bounty on the head of Inu

    226. Inu on December 7th, 2007 9:44 pm

      @225
      Oh noes, a yank placed a bounty on my head. Are you going to pay bountyhunter in cold, hard Euros, or in that useless piece of cotton toiletpaper you Americans call a dollar

    227. brie on December 7th, 2007 9:50 pm

      So the fat lady sang….shoot her!

    228. Inu on December 7th, 2007 9:51 pm

      @Katablog

      Hey I am Dutch, the only thing they are going to do to me is worship me like a god. And as we say in Netherlands, je hebt stijl of je hebt geenstijl, in English: you have style or you have no-style.
      {{edit}}

    229. brie on December 7th, 2007 9:51 pm

      Joran isn’t concerned about meeting his maker…he doesn’t even know who that is!

    230. benh on December 7th, 2007 9:53 pm

      Actually That dumbass prosecuter did get Natalees case a back on television, but he destroyed any chance Aruba had redeem it self.

    231. brie on December 7th, 2007 9:54 pm

      I’d have more fun playing twiddle de winks than visiting Aruba!

      BOYCOTT FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    232. k on December 7th, 2007 9:58 pm

      #81 minnesota dad Agree with you 100%. And if you look at the American attorney that is “defending” his son, it makes it alot easier to connect some of the dots. I guess we know what element is running this island. I think there must be alot of “business interests” being protected. But that’s just my opinion.

    233. Richard on December 7th, 2007 10:06 pm

      First off, I don’t think it’s helpful to bring up World War II. I mean, after all ….

      As for the trolls who are coming here with their nyah-nyah-nyah thumbing of their Aruban and Dutch noses … believe it or not, some of us on this forum have dedicated years of effort to fighting the obvious cover-up on Aruba. And I don’t think we’re in the mood to hear your childish prattle.

      So do us all a favor and stay away, OK?

      I don’t think for a moment that any of the van der Sloots will be coming to the U.S. They can frequent Aruba, the Netherlands and similar refuges for the slime of the earth ….

      The impetus to boycott Aruba is stronger than ever. Even the Dutch (if you believe them) admitted that the boycott has had a major impact on Aruba.

      And if the Dutch close the case and then Natalee’s body is found ….

    234. arubaboy on December 7th, 2007 10:10 pm

      LOL. The most amusing thread I have ever read!!!
      The Dutch are striking back!! LOL
      (Tsjonge! Jullie hebben de Amerikanen wel zo’n beetje overbluft!)
      Now serious: Very sad what happened to Natalee and believe me Aruba and Netherlands want this case to be solved. As we all know the case was botched from the beginning due to incompetence of the investigators that time. Aruba was not used and prepared to handle disappearing cases of such magnitude with all its consequences.Please try to understand: Aruba did not cover up for the 3 boys! Joran and Kalpoes are nobody in Aruba. Also the FBI were involved not leading the case but they were involved.
      Everybody wants the case to be solved. Unfortunately that is not the case (yet)
      For those boycotting Aruba: Do you know we are having a better tourist season comparing to last year? So go figure out if your boycott is really working!

    235. Scared Monkeys on December 7th, 2007 10:33 pm

      Aruba boy … you are an idiot.

      Anything greater than “ZERO” is an improvement. Of course at some point something has to get better. If you think that is something to be proud of you are truly a fool. Would you like to have a lesson in economics? Why do you think your own people are saying that Aruba is too dependent upon tourism? DUH!!!

      What you do not understand is that myself and my parents were actually like tourist zero back in the 70′s. Trust me, I will never advise anyone to go to an island that treats people like this.

      Does the independent boycott work of people’s free choice work ,,, YOU BET IT DOES. Otherwise, imps like you would not be complaining and making a reference to it.
      R

    236. Scared Monkeys on December 7th, 2007 10:38 pm

      # 228 … “Hey I am Dutch, the only thing they are going to do to me is worship me like a god.”

      Just what does it feel like to be an idiot 24-7? You sad pathetic soul of a person.

      GEEZ … what it must be like to have the unfortunate reality of being your shoes.
      R

    237. katablog on December 7th, 2007 10:38 pm

      Arubaboy: this was NOT just police incompetence though indeed I believe the Aruban investigators are incompetent after hearing a few on TV.

      This was indeed an out right cover-up. Okay, so the boys are nothing in Aruba – we believe you. Why then the cover-up? Why does the same judge who stays at the van der sloot house get to rule in a case involving their son? Why was Joran’s godfather investigating the case only to be replaced by the Kalpoes cousin?

      If you call allowing our FBI to observe certain parts of the case but not open their mouths “involvement” then, yeah okay, they were “involved”.

    238. david r on December 7th, 2007 10:42 pm

      What about the police chief, Van der Stratten, who said ‘Natalee was murdered. (How do you know?) ‘Because I have seen the evidence and you haven’t'? This was a coverup. The early interrogations were not even written down. The boys confessed, but the chief gave his friend’s boy a pass. Joran isn’t ‘a sporter.’ He is a murderer. And the Arubans let him get away with it.

    239. martini on December 7th, 2007 10:49 pm

      ORANJESTAD – Joran of of the ditch became vanmiddag – after fence of this editie – released from the Korrektie institute Aruba (KIA) where he since 24 November has been stuck again on suspicion of doodslag in 2005, on the American scholiere Natalee Holloway. The rechter-commissaris indicated today the request of the Public Prosecution Service for a lengthening from its provisional detention. Just like at the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were already released last Saturday, the rechter-commissaris had to be objections on the basis of the present sentence file. The ` new proof on basis of which it Public Prosecution Service justified lengthening and as a result of which the 20 person whose birthday it is Joran at least 60 days longer in the prison would have had, remain, appeared therefore not sufficient. The Public Prosecution Service (OM) the decision ` had expected then these slightly yielded also the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to house could. “the file for Joran was the same such as for the two other”, react Hans suspected mos, chief public prosecutor. “the decision gives substance to to reflect concerning a definite decision-making.” Soon, in any case for 31 December, he takes a decision or he dismisses the case or concerns to prosecution of suspected. PROFESSION MEANINGLESS By the decision these Public Prosecution Service an appeal against the judgement of the rechter-commissaris ` meaningless of the common Court of Justice – nonsuit of the profession against the vrijlating of the brothers Kalpoe – it yielded finds. So far there is no direct proof that Holloway came for living by violence. Justice admits that no body has been found, but sees that as an obstruction to reach a condemnation. According to lawyer Ariean the Bie, the parents of Joran have been relieved and lively concerning the vrijlating of their zoon. FAILURE See the news concerning the vrijlating of Joran, which two was transmitted weeks from its place of residence in the Netherlands by means of Curaçao to Aruba, was immediately everywhere and hear. Generally the idea is that this ` failure have been conducted for arubaanse Public Prosecution Service, by temporary Procurator-General Nico Jörg and chief public prosecutor mos. It the second time that Joran on free feet is is put. Also in 2005, then Natalee Holloway by the end of May disappeared, zat he for a long time in voorarrest. After its vrijlating two years suffered he took up the wire of its life and will study in the Netherlands. Joran and the brothers Kalpoe were apprehended on 21 November because of ` new proof that a research team existing arubaanse and Dutch inspectors this year above water will have obtained. Joran were apprehended for this in the Dutch city arnhem where he was in September 2005 will study, flat after he had been released for the first time in the matter holloway. He is stuck months then almost three as a head hoofdverdachte of among others assassination and verkrachting of the American teenager. After largely a year of reasonable anonymity, the adjournment came previous month as a large, unpleasant surprise for Joran. Datzelfde applied to the brothers Kalpoe. The lawyers put however already direct their doubts at the ` new facts on basis of which it Public Prosecution Service had required the adjournment of the triad. It was already rapidly confessed that this ` new proof came on the basis of revision on the basis of the old file. Indications which shortly after the beginning of the disappearance of Holloway insufficiently or had not been selected, such as tel.-tapering, had not been again examined. The lawyers of Kalpoe-broers freed already rapidly confessed that the new proof would exist nevertheless no longer included than 12 pages that moreover ` 90-95 per cent from old proof. Public Prosecution Service tried in the meantime koste what costs suspected from each other to keep to occur that them would invent an in balance tale, like at their first adjournment two years was also suffered had happened. As from their adjournment they were interrogated directly intensively moreover and were faced with especially contradictory declarations which they had taken off rather. It has not been confessed or these verhoringen have had result still only. For the rechter-commissaris the ` indirect proof were not in any case sufficient as a result of which after 17 days the last verdachte in the holloway matter has been again put on free feet.
      Amigoe translated with babelfish

    240. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2007 10:53 pm

      INU

      @Katablog

      Hey I am Dutch

      Yeah, we picked up on that quickly, because

      you are such an enflamed nut pucker with your

      a$$ UP on your shoulders. Hey, can’t you go f’n

      wax up your clogs or sumpin’??? I have 1 nerve

      left, and you’re on it.

      http://tinyurl.com/2k8X2c

      -j4n

    241. orang on December 7th, 2007 10:55 pm

      Americans are soooo self absorbed….

      Okay its awfull to lose your daughter, if something bad happened to natalee, i’d wish it didnt.

      Why is it that you guys are so convinced Joran is guilty?? Based on what facts??

      Incompetence of the aruban system/police??

    242. suisse71 on December 7th, 2007 11:04 pm

      RE: #216

      WELL SAID R & SM!!!!

      #215,

      You are a joke … you would actually make a comment about the ignorance of others with what you just wrote?

      LOL … You sad pathetic soul.

      You best hope in life nothing like this ever happens to you or anyone you care about. Life has a way of evening itself out.

      Just how much hate do you actually have in that little troll heart of your?
      R

      EXACTLY!!!

      ARROGANCE BREEDS IGNORANCE & IGNORANCE BREEDS ARROGANCE…

      Inu, arubaboy, JK2 etc… you are PATHETIC!!

      J4N

    243. brie on December 7th, 2007 11:05 pm

      Inu…..what’s a matter…can’t find your rock!

    244. arubaboy on December 7th, 2007 11:08 pm

      #235 SM: Your insults don’t bother me. Face it: if the boycott is really working the numbers of tourists should keep declining. Last year was a bad year but it was not ZERO. Tourism is picking up this year. Period! A new hotel chain opened in Aruba, RIU from Spain. We are getting more and more tourists from Europe and will compensate those from USA. Also more tourists from South America are coming.
      Anyway GOOD LUCK with your boycott.

    245. david r on December 7th, 2007 11:16 pm

      Let’s make a deal. You Arubans and Dutch stay in your own country and we will stay in ours. Let the Europeans and S. Americans have Aruba. My vacation money will go elsewhere.

    246. Erik on December 7th, 2007 11:18 pm

      Every year hundreds of girls disappear without a trace in Europe and the America’s, so what makes Natalee soo very special?

    247. suisse71 on December 7th, 2007 11:22 pm

      Re: #228

      @Katablog

      Hey I am Dutch, the only thing they are going to do to me is worship me like a god. And as we say in Netherlands, je hebt stijl of je hebt geenstijl, in English: you have style or you have no-style.

      Could someone please post any one of the those images from that flickr site of F’in!!ugly JVS, K2, Freddie, PVS and all…. with the caption

      “I AM RESPONSIBLE”

      or

      “CDC CONFIRMS DENGUE FEVER IN ARUBA”

      J4N!!

    248. Sahara on December 7th, 2007 11:23 pm

      Based on what facts?

      The fact that he lied. The fact that his story has changed over and over. The fact that he can’t tell who if anyone gave him a ride home that night. The fact that his father said, “no body, no case”. The fact that his time line does not add up at all. The fact that no one can tell if he went to school the next day. The fact that a normal person would help look for the girl he was with the night before.

    249. Sherry on December 7th, 2007 11:27 pm

      I have a feeling that Joran would be more than welcome in Arkansas :)

      Wayne DuMond, a decorated Vietnam veteran, handyman and father of six, was convicted in August 1985 of the rape of a 17-year-old cheerleader from Forrest City, Arkansas. The girl was the daughter of a prominent Arkansas mortician and a distant cousin of former president Bill Clinton. On March 7, 1985, while free on bond awaiting trial, DuMond was savagely attacked. Matt Stearns of The Kansas City Star stated in a June 2001 article that two masked men broke into his Forrest City house, “armed with a handgun, a razor blade and fishing wire.” They “hogtied him and forced him to perform oral sex on one of them” and then “castrated him with the fishing wire and the razor blade,” it was further reported.

    250. Richard on December 7th, 2007 11:37 pm

      Just had a look at one of the AP photos of the Sporter in a car with his daddy this morning, after his release.

      The scumbag looks as if he’s trying to grow a beard.

      The photo of the little piece of Dutch garbage with the smirk on his face ought to be published in every Aruban newspaper. Not to mention that it should be given to the judge (friend of his Daddy) who ONCE AGAIN let him and the Kalpoes out.

      Hey, Arubans, what do you think the Sporter thinks of YOU and your police? You think we Americans think you’re stupid and worthless (and we DO) … your own little master class of Dutchies who rule over you seem to think you’re a bunch of inept clowns (and you ARE).

      But don’t worry, Arubans, you’re expendable if your Dutch overseers need to make you the fall guys. If it hadn’t been for the Americans, Beth in particular, the two security guards would have been convicted.

      Hope you like your Dutch masters, Arubans. Because you’re going to be begging to them to feed you, with the tourists all gone … and judging from the comments of the Dutch trolls here, even THEY can’t stand you.

    251. Richard on December 7th, 2007 11:39 pm

      I can’t resist posting a verse from a song I wrote a while back, to the tune of the Beatles’
      “What would you do if I sang out of tune?”:

      Joran: You can be sure that my daddy knows best
      When he says ‘No body means no crime.’

      Kalpoes: You and your daddy are one and the same,
      Two pieces of criminal slime.

    252. suisse71 on December 7th, 2007 11:55 pm

      #249 Sherry, that is excellent, so dry and funny!

      JK2, you may be out of prison, but you are NOT FREE……

      J4N!!!

    253. weasel on December 8th, 2007 12:01 am

      as the saying goes:

      “If you aint dutch you ain’t much.”

      that about sums up this case.

      shame on all of you involved in the coverup.

    254. F ARUBA on December 8th, 2007 12:02 am

      ITS NOT THAT NATALEE IS SO SPECIAL,ITS THAT YOU ARUBAN/DUTCH ARE SUCH LOWLIFES.

    255. suisse71 on December 8th, 2007 12:09 am

      #251

      “I get by with a little help from my friends….”

      Meaning, millions upon millions of friends for Justice for Natalee.

      J4N!!!!!!!

    256. Saorise on December 8th, 2007 12:15 am

      The answer to Natalee does not reside in Aruba. It lies with the Dutchies in Da Netherlands.

      Boycott The Netherlands.

      A few products
      Philips
      Norelco
      Royalties from every DVD you purchase
      Lumileds LEDs
      Heineken
      Tom Tom GPS
      Amstel Brewery
      IKEA
      Royal Dutch Shell
      Unilever
      Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream
      Hellman’s myaonaise
      I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter
      Imperial Margarine
      Karo Syrups
      Lipton Tea
      Popsicle
      Ragu
      Skippy Peanut Butter
      Slim Fast
      Wish-Bone Salad Dressing

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_companies

      It’s all about money.

      Now, do you all really want to do something about this or are you just making conversation?

      From the Antarctic Secret Undergound Bunker,
      Saorise

      P.S. The Queen Bee & Family Inc have ties to a Nazi past. Look it up.

      P.S.S. Have you hugged a penguin today?

    257. brie on December 8th, 2007 12:17 am

      Aruba..you just stuck a hot poker in your eye. Chavez is at your door. No happy trails for you!

    258. brie on December 8th, 2007 12:23 am

      The Dutch are done with you and rightfully so! Poverty island infested with drugs and disease. Known criminals live and operate! A stink hole!!!!

    259. Carl the Detective on December 8th, 2007 12:32 am

      you idiots that are hazing the US need to wake up. our system is not perfect, you cite the OJ case. as sad as the outcome was, at least the police presented evidence and jury of peers got to decide. a mistake? yes, but do not compare a trial by jury to this circus. our boycott will crush aruba, right or wrong, our currency speaks volumes. you jealousy will get you no where. WE ARE AMERICANS and we stand together. good luck on Aruba without us…cause we’re out.

    260. mayan_moons on December 8th, 2007 12:32 am

      No Jurine is not free, sure he’s not behind bars where he belongs before he hurts someone else but those bars would’ve protected him…..ensured his safety. Though the van der scum’s think they’ve won all they really did was put him *out there* with a big bullseye on the back of his goonish head. The whole family must now look over their shoulder for the rest of their pathetic lives and thats a punishment much worse than a couple of years in prison. Just when you think nobody cares anymore or forgotton Natalee & relax, that is the day you’re gonna get it.

    261. katablog on December 8th, 2007 12:52 am

      It’s a shame that both the Netherlands and Aruba is saying their tourism is down and affected by the Natalee Holloway case since as Arubaboy tells us, everything is wonderful on One Crappy Little Island. We just bet your hotels are brimming with unsuspecting tourists! Ha Ha what a joke. Again, why are the only cruises still available the ones that go to Aruba? Why did Carnival Cruises pull out of Aruba (hit: intelligence). Why are the trolls out in such force if all is well in Aruba? Why are they bothering to spit venom at those who call for a boycott if the boycott isn’t working?

      If you thought your numbers were down before, give it 3 months (some unfortunate souls may have booked ahead of time) after this last fiasco of bringing the news to the USA front and center again about the one crappy little island.

      I said it before; I’ll say it again. Stick a fork in Aruba – its cooked!

    262. Sherry on December 8th, 2007 1:01 am

      Kudos to Bill O’Reilly who made the statement on his show tonight—
      ‘Arubans are so amazingly inept, it is staggering”

    263. KrisG on December 8th, 2007 1:03 am

      SHAME ON YOU ARUBA!

    264. weasel on December 8th, 2007 1:13 am

      arubaboy offerred this gem:
      “Also more tourists from South America are coming.”
      ——————————————
      aruba-boy, get a clue. Those people from south america aren’t tourists. They are Chavez’ people
      doing a little reconnaisance beofore the big military invasion. Which will happen soon, as aruba sinks and slides into the depths. No one will come to help you.

    265. Patti on December 8th, 2007 1:57 am

      I don’t know about you guys, but, obviously; this judge shouldn’t have been ruling on this case, in the first place. He, too, is part of the cover up as it was him that was staying at the Van der Sloots the day that he signed a court order to search the Sloot residence on the bench; before driving to the Sloots, beating the police, and changing his warrant to exclude all the property except Joran’s apartment.

      How’s this for justice? Bring in an impartial judge to sign a search warrant… AND have him stay with the Sloots, the very family the search warrant is to be served?

      NO WONDER HE WANTED THESE MEN FREE!!!!

      HE WANTS TO KEEP THE CAN OF WORMS EMPTY…

      NOW, IS THE TIME TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY FIGHTING

      POWER FOR THE PEOPLE?

      ARUBA?

      WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR ATTORNEY

      SHOULD DO?

      I SAY APPEAL!

      Everyone knows that there were judges and ALL of Van der Sloots friends, and church members that ran to his rescue. But if he doesn’t smell a RAT… then he’s one of them.

      The judges ruling should be REVIEWED!

      AND

      OVERTURNED!

      So if he doesn’t even have the backbone to try, how is he going to get past a corrupt, most probably flesh-eating monster, who is partially responsible for Natalee’s death?

      I mean, He CAN’T be SERIOUS????

      He knows what this Judge SMID did…

      IF he does nothing…

      HE IS NOTHING!!!!!

      WE SHALL SEARCH THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

      .

      Anyone from Aruba who cannot admit that their government is corrupt is out of their minds and are ready for the funny farm. Constantly quoting O.J. Simpson as an injustice is overlooking the fact that the State of California did their job. They were out there collecting blood drops, performing autopsies and doing their best to prosecute the guilty. It was not our government that was at fault in the case of O.J. Simpson, it went to trial.

      What has Aruba done? In the case of Natalee Ann Holloway, they have done nothing, but look the other way…. ignoring the bleeding out of the “Lamb”, ignoring the family and looking the other way. They have assisted the perpetrators of the crime against Natalee and have obstructed any possibility of her getting justice. They have stood by while her body was found and allowed it to be bagged up and placed in a water basin, just like all the others…

      They allowed Natalee’s body to be delivered to the Sloots house via a furniture truck, just like the others, returned to their donor. Killing women and children, boys or girls; is nothing new to Aruba; they’re Indians… ANCIENT TRIBE that has parked itself on the HIGH end of Government. Legally, sorta, importing people to be killed… virgins. Or people that have chosen good over bad on the cocaine fields of Columbia…

      Kidnapped, Captured and killed to be eaten.

      AT A FESTIVAL!!!!

      every month… as the moon is sleeping.

      .

      BEAT THE DRUMS, Aruba

      LIGHT the FIRES

      AND DANCE!

      .

      Why would you cover that up?!?!?!

      According to the words of the Prime Minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber, to keep from ruining the reputation of 97,000 people.

      How does the death of one girl effect the
      reputation of a whole island of people?

      Arawak…

      The very best thing that we could do for Natalee is to let her truth be known. Let EVERYONE see what the people of Aruba did to an American girl during a festival in celebration of The Arawak Nation. Embarrass all 97,000 of them with the truth while making our own people aware that the practice of “Human Sacrificing” is not only acceptable, but is expected of the people of Aruba.

      Embarrassment, indeed:

      Is that what he calls it

      while he PERMITS

      cannibalism.

      Don’t know about you, but…

      I’ll pass on Aruba!

      It should be cut off from the WORLD!!!!!

      .

      Boycott!!

    266. Patti on December 8th, 2007 2:13 am

      So…

      Queen Bea:

      I don’t know what you’d call that?

      A major SCREW up?

      or a major F*** up?

      .

      Justice for Natalee!

    267. Yi-Hai on December 8th, 2007 2:40 am

      P.S. The Queen Bee & Family Inc have ties to a Nazi past. Look it up.

      So had the family Bush,
      Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power.
      They made money on the concentration-camps,
      They helped the nazi’s by thinking up the Endlösung.

      And about keeping the US dollars out of Aruba,
      the dollar isn’t mucht worth anymore, think they rather have 1 euro insteed of 2 dollars. And the US has an incredible foreign debt, without the money coming out of Europe the US would be bankrupt.

      But this is all besides the matter,
      I think Joran knows more than he tells,
      but thank God we believe that someone is Innocent until proven Guilty, and not putting someone on the chair because we think he could be lying.
      The Death penalty is in my opion not very civilised, but what do you aspect from countries like; Afghanistan, Chad, Iran, Iraq, Korea, Libya, Mongolia, Qatar, Syria, Tajikistan and the US.

    268. Maggie on December 8th, 2007 2:48 am

      You can make up all the stuff you want, doesn’t change the facts of this case.

      Straten made the comment, he thought Natalee was dead, he saw the evidence early June 2005.

      No body searches, no home searches, no car searches, no separating these 3 and interrogating them for 10 days.

      Arresting 2 black security guards who had alibis, and cops knew from watching security tapes a day after Natalee disappeared, that Natalee didn’t return.

      All getting in a car and going on a wild goose chase away from the Sloots that night instead of the cops or Paulus saying get home, the cops are here.

      Straten on the case and he worked with Paulus for years and was friends. Straten seen going into Jacobs office and talking to him after he was taken off the case. The prime minister saying Straten was not to be on this case. The prime minister saying he was sick of this case.

      Pages and pages of lies in police statements from these suspects. All conflicting statements. I said it before will say it again. The lie about the Holiday Inn was not a lie of ,,, I felt bad about leaving her on the beach so I said I took her to the Holiday Inn.. It was we drove to the Lighthouse she was drunk falling asleep off and on while I was fondling her, she wanted to see sharks and made racial comments, she fell when she got out and hit her head, she shoved Joran. Two black security guards got her. They then went on to watch 2 guards woke up at dawn and have their homes searched and arrested where they let them sit in jail and never said no different. Nothing has changed the fact that Natalee was last seen leaving Carlos N Charlies with these 3 and has never been seen again.

      Not one of them went out looking for Natalee, they were all together making up more stories, conveniently Paulus was always around.

      Everyone in the group all knows each other or related or friends? Conflicts of interest out the whazoooo..
      No evidence they were ever at the beach. No evidence to back up anything they say about Natalee once they left Carlos N Charlies. No shoes, 10 days of saying she was at the Holiday Inn a