Crime Not Limited to Natalee Holloway in Aruba, Safe Island Paradise? (Lampe family) Mother, Father and Son Murdered in Santa Cruz … Suspect in Custody

 

Three members of the Lampe family, Juan, Aura and Edvard, were found Chalk_outlinemurdered in a house in located at Macuarima 127-c in Santa Cruz in Aruba. One of the Lampe sons, (E.J.L) Eugene Lampe, has been arrested on suspicion of attempted arson, murder, and manslaughter. I guess its considered an Aruba criminal investigation victory following a murder when two black security guards are not immediately arrested on suspicion of a crime committed.  However, see the comment below by the Public Prosecutor. Looks like a homicide? Is that kind a like 3 gun shots to the back of the head looks like a suicide!

The Public Prosecutor said today that the exact cause of death is not yet determined, but based on the state of the bodies when they were found, it looks like a homicide.

The reports are that Eugene Lampe is a drug addict.  Has it not been reported in the past in Aruba that they have a major problem with drug addicts on One Happy and Drug Addicted Island and that they “may be a father, mother, brother or sister, neighbor or friend.” Also HERE and HERE.

Think again when one is told that its safe. A drug addicted society is a real danger to those who would be on vacation with blinders on, told by all that its a safe island.

Mother, father, and son murdered in Santa Cruz (Amigoe: April 5, 2008)

Macuarima 127-c, where the three bodies were found. 

ORANJESTAD – Three members of a family, father Juan Lampe (60), mother Aura Lampe (57), and son Edvard Lampe (30) were murdered in a house in the neighbourhood of Macuarima in Santa Cruz in Aruba, confirmed the police on site yesterday evening.  The Public Prosecutor said today that the exact cause of death is not yet determined, but based on the state of the bodies when they were found, it looks like a homicide.

The OM indicated further that after the 29-year old E.J.L. (supposedly the son Eugene Lampe) reported at the police station of Sta. Cruz around 22:00 ‘with a peculiar story about attempted arson and three bodies in the house’, they arrested him on suspicion of attempted arson, murder, and manslaughter.  The son is a drug addict.

After fire was reported in a house, the police found the bodies of the three members of the family around 21:30.  The bodies with burns were spread throughout the house.  The pathologist will hopefully give more clarity on the cause of death this afternoon, said the OM.

The triple murder caused a lot of commotion among the neighbourhood residents, especially when other members of the family Lampe came to see what happened.  According to bystanders, the father worked at Banco di Caribe, the mother at Total Cleaning, and the son was announcer at the radio station Top FM.



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    128 Responses to “Crime Not Limited to Natalee Holloway in Aruba, Safe Island Paradise? (Lampe family) Mother, Father and Son Murdered in Santa Cruz … Suspect in Custody”

    1. thomas on April 7th, 2008 6:10 am

      its a sad case that has never been seen on the island of aruba, i cannot believe that you try to connect this sad case to the nathalee case.. its a drug related family cas that can happen everywere in the world, or am i to believe SM that it doesnt happen in the US ?
      To reiterate this type of case has never been on the island of Aruba and hopefully it will never happen again..its the * drugs that causes such dramas all over the world..

    2. charly on April 7th, 2008 6:19 am

      this is a family drama, that happens all over the world,in every country…

      the case of nh is the same , but they went one step further taking their family drama to Aruba.

    3. Rose on April 7th, 2008 7:15 am

      Can’t believe you guys trying to connect this with Holloway case, this is so sad for Aruba drug addict you’ll find all over the world, as if in the states everything is perfect! It’s been so sad these days please don’t compare with the other case.

    4. buster on April 7th, 2008 7:37 am

      I am so ready for another episode of the keystone cops on aruba !!! I wonder what funny sayings will come out of episode two of keystone aruba cops

    5. Richard on April 7th, 2008 8:04 am

      Nobody is connecting this to Natalee’s case.

      What’s being said is: here’s the claim about “one safe, happy island.” Does it work out that way?

      In Beth’s book, it says that Aruba gives its chollers (drug addicts) housing and in other ways protects them. This, no doubt, under the “advanced and enlightened” Dutch law.

      Well, I guess Aruba will be seeing the legacy of this “advanced” law. Unbridled tolerance is no answer to problems … and yes, we know that in this country as well.

      But nobody has ever denied that the United States has its fair share of problems.

      Aruba has denied from first to last that it is anything but a safe, wonderful place. I guess we’re seeing part … and only part … of the truth, aren’t we?

      And the Aruban people laughed off Natalee’s case.
      Let’s see them shrug their shoulders at this one.
      But don’t expect the government there to change its ways … how many people in it are making fortunes in the drug trade?

      Beth’s book also says that the one standing rule for chollers is … don’t attack American tourists. Anyone who believes that they won’t do so just because the police tell them not to is as naive as can be.

      Boycott Aruba … it’s only common sense.

    6. Richard on April 7th, 2008 8:07 am

      Thomas (#1) … Never been seen on Aruba?

      Remember Pitbull?

    7. dennisintn on April 7th, 2008 8:16 am

      i’m waiting for renfro to announce to the world that natalee and beth are responsible in some way for the tragedy.

    8. Minnesota Dad on April 7th, 2008 8:31 am

      Can anyone give an update on what is going on with the Kalpoes v. Dr. Phil case?

      Last I hear is they weren’t coughing up documents. Seems the attorney was saying that they didn’t have all the documents….

      However, PVDS and JVDs, as suspects, were given full access to all the documents with their buddy Taco Joe.

      How come the Kalpoes don’t have full access and the Sloots do???

      MD

    9. brie on April 7th, 2008 8:55 am

      What happened to “Pitbull” is the worst thing I have ever heard of, what about Robert Wayne Benson found dead in a container, what about Rene Heyningen found partially decapitated in the cemetery, what about the 7 yr old boy found dead at the rocks by the lighthouse, what about the man they dragged out of the ocean that drowned, what about the unknown woman found dead in a garbage pile, what about Juni Tromp fatally stabbed on the beach, what about it Aruba…your a drug infested island….what about Carlos & Charlie’s, Jacobs knows they put drugs in your drink but he never does anything about it….they know where their crack houses are but they never do anything about it….it’s a shame this family had to lose their lives because of a drug addict….

    10. brie on April 7th, 2008 8:58 am

      Minnesota Dad….the crooks in Aruba will do everything they can to keep those documents out of hands of anyone that wants to go to court. Because, they know they are all guilty.

    11. brie on April 7th, 2008 11:09 am

      Allowing Dave to dig in the landfill for days looking for his daughter….when you knew all along what happened to Natalee….Straaten should be hung by his balls….sorry to be so blunt…along with Posner…read about him….he is a dirty deal all the way around…..and Paulus’s friend…

    12. katablog on April 7th, 2008 11:19 am

      Let me explain for Thomas, charly and rose: “It’s never happened before in Aruba” means “this family was never killed before in Aruba”.

      We all know there is murder happening on One Crappy Island. We also know that Aruba has a huge drug problem with their druggies wandering the streets and living on the beaches in the bushes.

      Boycott Aruba, You’ll be glad you did.

    13. brie on April 7th, 2008 11:48 am

      Our gov’t needs to stop travel to Aruba….proven facts…it is not SAFE…

    14. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 12:17 pm

      next thing we know… Joran and the kalpoe brothers will be working as air traffic controllers…

    15. paulus is a scum bucket on April 7th, 2008 12:19 pm

      ARUBA will give the guilty party a slap on the wrists and give them more drugs..

      its a hellhole and proven to be worse every day

      ARUBA BLOWS CHUNKS

    16. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 12:21 pm

      Thomas
      what kinda crack pipe are you smoking… the drugs do relate to natalie Holloway she was drugged with a day rape drug… does that not relate.. does your brain not compute that drugs are being sold at carlos and charlies and on the streets like the ice cream trucks delivering ice cream out in the open…geez your sad for that family but how about the family that didnt get the respect and courtesy that they are giving to this particular case..

    17. Scott on April 7th, 2008 1:13 pm

      You people are discusting. You use this tragic event to exploit your point of vieuw. It really is discusting and I am sick to my stomach. You all should be ashamed of yourselves and hope it never happens to you. You shoulsd really think what you are doing and SM, very dissapointing that you let this happen. Discusting!!!!!!!!

    18. Richard on April 7th, 2008 2:15 pm

      Hey, Scott … are you saying that we are the murderers? Or is talking about the murders the real issue … since it makes Aruba look bad?

      Probably you think in the Aruban manner … how DARE they talk about crime on this island!

      At least you didn’t ask, “What about the U.S. crime rate?” Even Aruba’s supporters by now must sense the irrelevance of that question.

    19. just..here on April 7th, 2008 2:22 pm

      This is very sad, the hole island is in shock!!
      And you are making fun of it ??
      Even the radio’s, neigbours, etc.. are working togetter. People are praying in front of the house caus we won’t allow to let the “devil” to do this again

    20. brie on April 7th, 2008 2:33 pm

      GET THE ASSHOLE POSTERS OFF OF HERE…..!!!!!!

    21. katablog on April 7th, 2008 2:58 pm

      Scott, you are right, the event is really disgusting and so is Aruba.

    22. yoyo muffintop on April 7th, 2008 5:01 pm

      “Our gov’t needs to stop travel to Aruba….proven facts…it is not SAFE…”

      Oh please, that’s just so silly.

      I can just see the headline now “U.S. government prohibits citizens from travelling outside the country to all but two places – Artica & Anartica”.

    23. brie on April 7th, 2008 5:08 pm

      The island should of been in shock when Natalee disappeared…and no one is making fun of what happened….clean up your drugs on the island…it’s everywhere…and you do nothing about it…you are aware of Carlos & Charlie’s and you do nothing about it….it is sad for this family but you did nothing about controlling your drug situation…

    24. brie on April 7th, 2008 5:25 pm

      Drug addicts killing their family….committed murder to his entire family……so where did he get the drugs and who supplied him…your island stinks and reeks of drugs….Jacobs is paid off…a narcotics investigator….joke!!!!

    25. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 5:40 pm

      bRIE
      EVERY OFFICIAL ON THAT ISLAND IS A BIG JOKE.. THEY REEK A FOUL ODOR OF CORRUPTION..

    26. brie on April 7th, 2008 5:50 pm

      YoYo…. just shut up…your a menace!!!! And a pathetic piece of crap……!!!!!

    27. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 5:58 pm

      JUST
      U BEST DO MORE THAN JUST PRAY
      THE ISLAND IS FULL OF CORRUPTION AND EVIL GOVERMENT AND POLICE OFFICIALS…… YOU NEED TO DO AN EXORCISM..BECAUSE THE WAY I SEE IT… SOON NO ONE WILL WANT TO COME TO ARUBA…..YOUR BEACHS ARE EMPTY…VIEW THE BEACH CAMS……….
      TO MUCH BAD PUBLICITY….NO ONE IS MAKING FUN… YES IT IS SAD … BUT MORE SAD IS WHAT ARUBA DID TO NATALIE HOLLOWAYS FAMILY… THEY LAUGHED IN THEIR FACE..
      AND IF YOUR LOOKING FOR THE DEVIL… YOU DONT HAVE TO FAR TO GO.. GO TO YOUR LOCAL POLICE AND GOVERMENT OFFICIALS
      YOU SOUND VERY NAIVE… DO RESEARCH…
      GET ENLIGHTENED AND ENPOWERED..

    28. kayjay on April 7th, 2008 7:18 pm

      #19 Praying for these folks are you?….well you Arubans should be on your knees praying for forgiveness for the callous and indifferent way you treated Beth and Dave and Natalee’s family members. There are many among you who damn well know what happened and could have come forward as witnesses, but oh no, you chose to harbor those damn crooks the vanderSloots and turn a blind eye to your rotten justice department. You’ll be lucky if they do anything about those drug dealers..
      You deserve all you get.

    29. Sasha on April 7th, 2008 7:49 pm

      Please, stop with this. This is a sad matter. It’s devestating. Please do not try to connect this case to Natalee Holloway. You are right, there is a lot of drug addicts on that island. But this is a horrible tragedy and nobody deserves to die like that. Yes the government is corrupted there but again none of this should have to do with this horrible tragedy.

    30. buster on April 7th, 2008 7:54 pm

      Let the trolls post…………………….blabla
      The only sickness around here is or is from aruba
      The tree in aruba sway back and fourth only because aruba BLOWS !!!

    31. Allan on April 7th, 2008 8:10 pm

      Seems to be a few irate natives on the loose tonight

      I wonder if they were kin to RED Rudy Lampe!

    32. Allan on April 7th, 2008 8:21 pm

      I thought Rudy Lampe was a g man or is this him. Just thought I would bring this up for relevance to Natalee case.

      At the Santa Ana Catholic church in the town of Noord, also outside the capital, the Rev. Rudy Lampe told about 300 parishioners to “pray to give the family an oasis of peace.”

      “Today we stand with the family of Natalee,” Lampe said. “This is the first time something like this has happened on our island so we are all in shock.”

    33. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 8:29 pm

      sasha meet justice
      how can u not relate this to natalie
      drugs were involved.. no one felt soeey for beth and dave.. that too was tragic and sad..

    34. brie on April 7th, 2008 8:42 pm

      You post and sound off when it is one of your own….but not a word when something happens to an American….if only you were a voice when Natalee disappeared…..we don’t want to hear it….it is a shame that happened but what about Natalee…you people are so selfish…..clean up your island…you live like the ostrich…stick your head in the sand…and do nothing….what is tragic is that you people are about nothing…don’t post here you are not welcome!!!!!

    35. Ray on April 7th, 2008 8:42 pm

      If the drug trade is tolerated,murder will follow. It is another reason to Boycott Aruba.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

    36. brie on April 7th, 2008 9:14 pm

      Shock….things happen on that island all the time…. “Pitbull was the worst”….not a shock….. it should of been….we will in the best of our power prevent every American from coming to your island….

    37. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 9:33 pm

      scott your such a puke

    38. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 9:35 pm

      Brie
      yes god idea … lock the doors or better yet put a monkey to guard the door … to keep these … puke heads out of here.. they are multiplying in numbers…

    39. misskatie on April 7th, 2008 9:36 pm

      goood idea oops

    40. molly in houston on April 7th, 2008 10:37 pm

      9. brie–there was also found hung on their balcony. Too many to list, eh?

      boycott aruba
      molly in houston

    41. Patti on April 7th, 2008 10:41 pm

      Once, again, Aruba shows it’s true colors. They only care about their own. It’s such a tragedy when one of their druggies commits a crime like this, but they do nothing to stop the drug lords or the criminals that have infilterated into their own Ministries.

      There’s a time for everything, but, unfortunately, this was NOT the first time. The people of Aruba PRAY at the doorsteps of the victims, as if they were gods, while every other human being that falls victim to violent crime, whether Aruban or not, is treated like a piece of trash, with no investigation, no arrests and no justice served.

      Wake up, Aruba. We have the right to reprint your newspaper articles; as well as to voice our opinion on what we read. Besides, the eyes of the world are upon you… nothing goes unnoticed.

      No Justice for Natalee, along with proof of the way in which she died will, forever, haunt you. There will be no peace in Aruba, no visitors to throw their money into a cesspool of death and no compassion for an island that lives by its’ own rules.

      Go ahead, Aruba…

      Pray to your gods for justice

      and his response:

      “I only help those that help themselves”

      .

      Americans, stay OUT of Aruba!

    42. Patti on April 7th, 2008 10:53 pm

      Sasha:

      THIS is so sad?

      What makes this murder any more

      sad than ALLLLLLLL the others?

      .

      Paradise…

      .

    43. Patti on April 7th, 2008 11:36 pm

      Found this GREAT post and moved it forward:
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      kaye on April 7th, 2008 10:55 am

      charles? charly?
      This is an article from “TheJustRepublic” may 2006
      “It was clear from the start, the Aruba Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought, she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandon any thoughts of that.

      So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Granduer Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated that by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

      Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

      Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

      charles

      arubafastphones.com.com

      Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

      “They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

      Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles, supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

      In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be, so simple?”
      ________________________________________________

      Great post, Kaye!

      It’s important to note that Charles Croes’ cell
      phone records place him at the beach behind the
      Marriott at 3 a.m. – along with Joran, Paulus
      and, ofcourse, Steve Croes… RIGHT at the scene
      of the crime!

      If Joran was with Natalee while she was sick,
      could these three men (Paulus, Charles and Steve)
      be the ones that stole the fisherman’s cage?

      Things that make ya go….. hmmmmmm.

      IMHO

    44. Patti on April 7th, 2008 11:54 pm

      Yeah, Charles Croes….

      You were the LEADER of the wild goose chase!

      .

      Nite!

    45. Gabriel Leo on April 8th, 2008 3:08 am

      yeah, sad story. Family stopped him from selling his house and he flipped.

      On another note, What’s up with Daury who seems to be locked up for a month now in the U.S?

    46. Mila on April 8th, 2008 6:09 am

      Boycott Aruba!!??

      Read the respons of Patrick vd Eem to Pete at his blog http://patrickvandereem.nl/
      “civil suit against Joran starts”
      I’m with Patrick on this one.

      Justice for Natalee!!!

    47. Melissa on April 8th, 2008 6:40 am

      We all agree – there is crime everywhere! But for decades Aruba hid all of their crime from the tourists pretending that Aruba was safe. Meanwhile, the Arubans were building their high security walls, training their guard dogs and installing security systems – Rhodana saw the writing on the wall. At least, caution the tourists. If one goes to Italy – they are honest enough to advise you to put your money in a money belt and wear it on your body. That doesn’t mean – don’t go to Italy – just be cautious.

      I am not about to list one hundred examples of crime in Aruba – I would just welcome the truth rather than denial. People can vacation wherever they choose.

    48. Dolf on April 8th, 2008 7:25 am

      Patti on April 7th, 2008 10:53 pm
      Sasha:

      THIS is so sad?

      What makes this murder any more

      sad than ALLLLLLLL the others?

      .

      Paradise…

      some can say this about the Holloway as well Patti….

    49. brie on April 8th, 2008 8:01 am

      Daury locked up in the US…..so….Joran wasn’t a close friend of anyone called Daury….that’s bulls~~t…..Koen, Sander and Paulus helped dispose of Natalee, with Joran’s help…

    50. brie on April 8th, 2008 8:02 am

      Simian could be Anita and Shango could be Gabe Leo…

    51. brie on April 8th, 2008 8:30 am

      I think some people that post on here are totally crazy….!!!!!

    52. misskatie on April 8th, 2008 9:01 am

      people that come here to post negative comments are attention and reaction seekers… by their spelling and wording you can see that their elevator doesnt go to the top floor. the same can be said of their comments that make no sense… one sided… biased…

    53. jimbo on April 8th, 2008 9:30 am

      Aruba One Happy Island

      un tin nada pa kibre!!!

      Give Mexico their country back!!!

    54. Richard on April 8th, 2008 9:33 am

      From the post that Patti recopied above:

      “They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

      (end of post)

      We’re killing Aruba, are we?

      Damn straight! And we’re not done yet.

      Yes, NATALEE is worth it. You, Aruba, are worth nothing.

    55. Richard on April 8th, 2008 9:36 am

      Note to Charles Croes, quoted above:

      Hey, sewage, didn’t you know that Aruba has told us for years that the boycott isn’t working?

      That is, until Oduber went on Dutch TV this year and whined that Natalee’s case had “already” cost Aruba tens of millions of lost tourism money?

      What has an IQ of ten? A gang of fifty Arubans…

    56. Gabriel Leo on April 8th, 2008 10:08 am

      nooooo Gabriel Leo is just Gabriel Leo.
      On the other hand Brie may just be a kind of French Cheeseeeeeeeeee….;)
      _____________________
      SM: Ok, I have to admit I got a chuckle out of this :) :) (klaasend)

    57. kaye on April 8th, 2008 11:02 am

      This has nothing to do with this particular article about the family being murdered but anyone who has time to read this article from Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba.

      http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

      it’s l-o-n-g-g-g but a good article on the mafia in aruba. just a quote from the article.”A magnificent “washing machine” is sold here, it’s trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Columbian product, otherwise known as the cartel. The brand is well-known for it good performance in the US and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets,etc. The “washing machine” fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another”. you’ll notice some of the names mentioned, Pasquale, mansur, croes, along with quite a few others. Imagine that! It’s sort of heavy but a must read.

    58. Carpe on April 8th, 2008 12:53 pm

      “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home.”
      -Charles Croes

      We do too, Chuck!

      She’d be getting ready to graduate college now.

      …but you’re in luck, you bag of hot gas (whose poems that always suck profusely) we’re all staying home and keeping away from Aruba now! You have that whole young female gang-raping murdering body disposing island for yourself to enjoy now.

      That should make you a happy feller.
      _____________________
      SM: Carpe – good to see you back! (klaasend)

    59. kaye on April 8th, 2008 12:58 pm

      for those of you that are interested in how others view aruba, not just SM or the j4n posters…..
      from The Just Republic…..

      The Gold Standard of Failure: Aruba
      “The investigation, into the abduction of, Natalee Holloway, has become the gold standard of failure. Congratulations Aruba! You have set the standard of failure. As such, it has been interesting to hear some in the media ask of the investigation into the death of Daniel Smith, the son of Anna Nicole Smith, compared to the Natalee investigation. For the first few weeks I granted Aruba the benefit of the doubt, however, they raped that benefit for all that it was worth; now Aruba is my enemy and gets all benefits construed against it. That is the just thing to do.
      As of now, I have no reason to think that the Bahamian government is out of its league, that is corrupt or that it has any motive for covering-up the truth behind the death of Daniel Smith. As such, for now, the Bahamian government will receive the benefit of the doubt. It appears they know the cause of Daniel’s death, but will keep it concealed until the inquest at the end of October where it will be decided if his death was a homicide and if so what charges should be filed and who should stand trial. Of course, that granting of the benefit to the Bahamian government could be stripped just as it was with the Aruban government should such cause arise.

      There are good investigations, corrupt investigations, and incompetent investigations — Aruba is a hybrid of the last two. First, good investigations do not always lead to justice being served and while never a good thing does not necessitate punishment against the investigators. Second, incompetent investigations should be scrutinized and those responsible removed from their jobs minus human tribulations. Finally, when there is a corrupt investigation not only is it required that those responsible be removed from their jobs, but they should be imprisoned as well.

      Aruba set out to protect their own and have paid for it economically, politically; and people around the world have lost faith in the Aruban justice system and the integrity of the Aruban people has been lost. It is sad that history has taught us repeatedly that it is not the underlying crime but the cover-up that will destroy us. History is the greatest of all teachers and we must be good students of it. Arubans did not learn from history and have become the gold standard of failure!”

      Amen brother!!

    60. always 1 on April 8th, 2008 1:07 pm

      I missed you too Carpe!!!!!!!!!!!

    61. Michael on April 8th, 2008 1:11 pm

      Only the same sickos that post regularly here, would laugh or get enjoyment at a tragic situation like this one.You people are something—actually celebrating the brutal murder of a family because it happened on your least favorite island of Aruba.I am disgusted at the way Natalees family was treated and the police “investigation” into her disappearance…But getting joy from this for a cheap blog headline is just sick.I apologize to all those who see this.98 percent of Americans would find this apalling…
      ____________________
      SM: I’ve read all the comments and I do not see anyone getting joy from this tragic event (klaasend)

    62. brie on April 8th, 2008 1:12 pm

      Scared Monkeys…..that was rude of you…OK I will change my name……
      ____________________
      SM: I’m sorry Brie I just thought it was pretty clever of Gabe. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings or be rude. Please don’t change your name ;) (klaasend)

    63. bree on April 8th, 2008 1:25 pm

      Maybe Shango and Simian are the Scared Monkeys…they seem to have a path of hatred for their dedicated posters….rude of you what you did to me……
      ______________________
      SM: Bree – don’t you ever laugh at yourself? I do all the time, I make fun of myself. What I said to Gabe was not hateful at all. I simply thought it was clever of him. Please don’t make more of it than it was. (klaasend)

    64. bree on April 8th, 2008 1:41 pm

      I have been on here for a very long time…to support Natalee, I am now Bree not Brie…thank to Scared Monkeys….your comment wasn’t even funny…
      ______________________
      SM: #1 I didn’t make the comment, Gabe Leo did. #2 We have all been here a very long time to support Natalee. #3 my name is not SM or Scared Monkeys, my name is Klaasend. #4 I moderate the front page posts and I can tell you that love him or hate him Gabe Leo has been posting at SM longer than you have. That doesn’t mean I agree with him or his views. #5 Don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill

    65. kaye on April 8th, 2008 1:53 pm

      bree…..lighten up girl…..have you ever had a good brie cheese? it’s fablulous! it oozes elegance and decadance. that’s how WE see ya brie! come on….drop that double “e” and come on back……

    66. always 1 on April 8th, 2008 1:58 pm

      Yes, brie, i love your name too, and Gabe, if you are a real angel, you will apologize,,,,,

    67. bree on April 8th, 2008 2:03 pm

      OK…..Scared Monkeys….I personally don’t think it was clever at all…I can laugh at myself but what is that suppose to mean….you made the remark ….. and it wasn’t funny….I appreciate your apology….but I would never support Gabe’s comments….

    68. Richard on April 8th, 2008 2:35 pm

      And we move on, still resolute to find answers and seek justice in Natalee’s case.

    69. just..here on April 8th, 2008 2:45 pm

      misskatie
      laugh at nathalie???
      We started our own(local) groups to find here… local people were looking for nathalie until, most of you started to insult us .. That’s why most of the interest is gone, cause the arubian tried to help but by doing so we were getting Insults!!!
      We still find it sad (what hapened to Nathalie)..!!!
      every time you say something (BAD) about ARUBA.. those who helped with the search will get more angry and would not help with anything anymore..
      We didn’t forget Nathalie !!!
      and we would never laugh at Nathalie !!!!!!!!!

    70. SS on April 8th, 2008 4:05 pm

      Steve Croes (26-year-old), the fourth suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM.
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&;page=1151

      I wonder if there is a connection.

    71. misskatie on April 8th, 2008 4:13 pm

      cool… carpe is back..welcome back

    72. yoyo muffintop on April 8th, 2008 4:17 pm

      Brie – you called me “a pathetic piece of crap” yet you are crying over someone calling you French Cheese.
      Lol. Precious.

    73. misskatie on April 8th, 2008 4:39 pm

      oh oh

    74. Herman on April 8th, 2008 5:02 pm

      Hello. I do not think Natalee is dead before seeing her body!

    75. always 1 on April 8th, 2008 5:10 pm

      come on, guys, you know how many people read and admire the work the Monkeys do, just read some of the past blogs…..let this go, find something to research, and come up with something useful to discuss concerning Natalee and how we solve this case….

    76. bree on April 8th, 2008 6:31 pm

      ….#72…I am not crying I just thought it was rude…..and I am not into that…but I think you stink big time…I’ll say what I want…and I will not support anyone that makes Natalee looks less than what she was….Amen!!!!!

    77. SS on April 8th, 2008 7:59 pm

      Bree

      I liked your name.

    78. brie. on April 8th, 2008 9:06 pm

      Guess I will go back to Brie…I happen to like that name….so if you don’t like it and want to fun of it…….just ram it!!!!!

    79. brie. on April 8th, 2008 9:18 pm

      #77…..Thank You!!!!

      #65…..Thank You!!!

      #66…..Thank You!!!

    80. misskatie on April 8th, 2008 9:28 pm

      brie
      I am so happy to see u back again

    81. Richard on April 8th, 2008 10:25 pm

      Just Here (#69) … I infer from your post that you are on Aruba.

      Here’s a suggestion: If you want to do something practical to show your concern, why not take the lead in raising funds to enable the Persistence to renew its search offshore Aruba for Natalee’s body?

      I wrote to Jossy Mansur sometime ago, saying that SOMEBODY on Aruba ought to take the lead in this.
      He agreed to do so … since when, nary a word.

      In my view, the expenses for the search should be borne, 100% (that is, totally), by the Dutch and the Arubans. Aruba is where the crime occurred.

      Instead, it’s been American volunteers who have searched the waters, combed sites on land, and dug through the stinking landfill.

      The only contribution that I know of from Aruba has been to give government employees part of an afternoon off (way back at the beginning of the case) to look for Natalee on land.

      Very few of the employees that COULD have taken part, DID. And where did they search? On the opposite end of the island from where Natalee was last seen! What kind of sense does that make?

      Of course, Aruba hasn’t been indifferent … it has been all too happy to demand high prices from those taking part. Some of the efforts in the landfill were sabotaged … oh, yes, doubtless by mistake.

      Your precious deputy chief of police Dompig obstructed the water search by being “too busy” to sign the letter to the FBI that would have gotten Tim Miller’s people out there.

      Well, you get the idea ….

      Now, if you really want to help get answers, why not head up a drive on Aruba to raise money to put the Persistence back to work?

      Or would you rather whine about people on an Internet forum demanding justice for an American citizen missing on Aruba, the victim of a cover-up by your own government?

      If the latter, rest assured that we are not giving up or going away.

    82. molly in houston on April 8th, 2008 10:55 pm

      Sigh, maybe everyone has gone to bed now.

      boycott aruba
      molly in houston

    83. Don on April 9th, 2008 12:43 am

      Hi, the only thing that you guys prove here is that you are biased beyond help. Aruba is still and will always be a safe place. Family tragedies can happen anywhere. Dumb blondes getting lost can happen anywhere. Stick a fork in you ass and turn yourself over, you’re done !

    84. Ray on April 9th, 2008 1:37 am

      Thomas,charly,Rose, If you can see this case as a tragedy, why did the aruban people hot see NATALEE as a tragedy. Natalee was not one of your own? They only saw a problem to solve.
      I wish you arubans would learn to spell NATALEE’S NAME RIGHT.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

    85. brie. on April 9th, 2008 4:28 am

      Looks like the protesters are back in the swing of it again….Amigoe said they blocked the road for the second time going to the airport….tourists were upset because they couldn’t get a taxi to their hotels and had to wait in the arrival hall at the airport…….

      The picture today shows them walking down the streets in groves and the tourists are in the middle of it all……

    86. dotratc on April 9th, 2008 7:19 am

      Richard (#81):

      Did you see this post from John Silvetti on the Persistence? It was posted here and on BFN a couple of days ago.

      “The relationship between the people of Aruba and the crew of the Persistence was wonderful. Initially, there was an air of guarded reservation, on both sides, however, once they understood why we were there, not to make headlines or money, but to help the Holloway family and intrinsically the island of Aruba, they opend their arms and their homes to us. The crew found the people of Aruba to be the "salt of the earth" hard working and family oriented people. Many had taken time off work to join the search parties and many held prayer vigils in their churches. We received support from the Police, the Coast Guard, the Port Authority and vitually anyone we needed help from. One example, we needed a shallow water vessel to investigate areas we were afraid to bring the Persistence into due to water depths and unknown wrecks……a 28 foot vessel, PREDATOR, was provided to us for 4 days at no charge. The owner would not allow us to pay for the fuel or any of the expenses. Their support made our work progress much faster. I am very happy to say that it would take a long time for me to list the names of everyone on the island that supported our efforts.”

    87. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 9:01 am

      Rose get a life
      your missing the point..
      are you in aruba
      oviously you havent done your research.. no ones is doing anything they shouldnt…. no one here is out of their zone.. they know what they are trying to convey…regarding aruba its laws and treatment of americans visiting and yes it concerns what they did to our natalie.. read the comments get caught up and see for yourself.. before you make comments that you know thing of… oviously

    88. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 9:04 am

      Richard
      not to mention that aruba gave pauulus compensation for his time in jail.. geez… Natalies parents gotten nothing.. nada.. zilch..
      they rewarded a man guilty in this crime ..

    89. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 9:22 am

      brie
      what a site to behold.. I the tourists probably thought that they. HAD ENTERED THE TWILIGHT ZONE… can you imagine their vacation started on the wrong foot .. hopefully they can share their experience with americans when they return to the united states.. more exposure for natalies case..
      boycott aruba.. justice for natalie

    90. Richard on April 9th, 2008 9:50 am

      dotratc (#86) … Thanks for posting that excerpt. What I was getting at is: the Persistence has postponed its search, owing to lack of funds.

      Given that the unsolved Natalee Holloway case is the biggest impediment that Aruba faces in its attempts to revive American tourism (I think that’s safe to say), why doesn’t someone on Aruba take the lead in trying to help out with this?

      That would be the most practical step that I could think of.

      Were the Arubans to start making demands on their own government in this case, that would be good too. But we don’t see it.

    91. dotratc on April 9th, 2008 10:44 am

      Thanks for your reply, Richard. I am confused. First of all, it looks like Arubans are going way beyond the call of duty to help the Persistence (just like they went way beyond the call of duty to help the family during the summer of 2005). I also thought that tourism on Aruba was doing pretty well. I know I saw an article somewhere that said that 2007 was a record year for tourism on Aruba and that 2008 is ahead of last year’s pace. Am I wrong about these things I’ve been told?

    92. A New Girl on April 9th, 2008 11:44 am

      Bree…Brie….Whatever ! Do you need something else to do to occupy your time perhaps? Getting your pantyhose in a bunch over a simple posting and a play on words really shows your intolerance and insecurity…please refrain from clogging up this board with all of your whining. Very annoying to have to read continual rants over such a trivial thing.

      Thank you….

      Welcome back, Carpe. A true blogger who makes us all laugh and nothing he posts sends people off the deep end…..just running to get another tissue to wipe away the tears from laughing so hard.

    93. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 12:14 pm

      dotratc on April 9th, 2008 10:44 am

      DONT TAKE PEOPLES WORD FOR IT RESEARCH YOURSELF ABOUT ARUBAS TOURISM.. VIEW THE WEBCAMS OF THE BEACHS
      I REST MY CASE

    94. Maggie on April 9th, 2008 1:07 pm

      Don on April 9th, 2008 12:43 am
      Hi, the only thing that you guys prove here is that you are biased beyond help. Aruba is still and will always be a safe place. Family tragedies can happen anywhere. Dumb blondes getting lost can happen anywhere. Stick a fork in you ass and turn yourself over, you’re done !

      Rephrased

      Don, the only thing that you prove here is that you are biased beyond help. Aruba is still not a safe place. Family tragedies can happen anywhere and will be covered up by law enforcement. Dumb people blame victims everyday. Stick a fork in your ass and turn yourself over, you’re done !

      Get a clue…Victims don’t cause crime, Sociopathic Predators do. Don’t give up your day job at AHATA.

      Herman, 3 years no sight of Natalee, How would an 18 year old alone on a beach get anywhere without transportation, a passport, money, clothing, food, a phone, on an island that small? How about a confession and leading people to the body. How about Straten saying he believes Natalee’s dead, he seen the evidence, or Deepak raped and killed Natalee and buried her, or Joran raped Natalee, we left her at the hotel, no we left her on the beach, no she was shaking and dying in my arms and I threw her in the bushes and called someone to dump her. How about Mos saying in a chat session one of the 3 said, the fact the girl is dead is not good or Paulus saying, no body, no crime just a couple days after Natalee disappears. How about allowing 2 black men to sit in jail for days for kidnapping and murder.

      There is no one who wishes, any more than I do that Natalee would be alive and well, but get a reality check, wait 20 years, it’s not going to happen. What kind of people would engage in such twisted behaviour if indeed Natalee was fine sitting on a beach and they walked away? They would be out looking for her and giving the exact location she was to find her and prove their innocence.. EVERYTHING, they engaged in was to obstruct and avoid the truth from coming out.

    95. kiltie65 on April 9th, 2008 4:48 pm

      Hope with all my heart that Beth’s upcoming civil case in the Netherlands forces the release of Aruban documents, previously withheld, which will then provide proof in a criminal case against Joran and accomplices. Any monetary award, though insignificant compared to those awarded in the U.S., I hope will at least pay Beth Holloway’s legal fees. This crime will neither go away or be forgotten until some sentence is handed down against the perps and justice is meted out. I’m hopeful the Netherlanders, who as a group were outraged to hear Joran’s “confession” (still think the confession was highly sanitized) and became aware of Joran’s total lack of normal human decency, will eventually give him and his cronies the long sentences they deserve when the case comes to a criminal court.

    96. Richard on April 9th, 2008 5:35 pm

      Dotratc … I’m sure that you are confused, if you are Aruban. Go check my post on the next highest Natalee thread … how BETH came down and got the two innocent security guards off the hook.

      What did Arubans do for them? Nothing.

      What have Arubans done for Pitbull? Nothing.

      What have Arubans done for the schoolgirl raped by her classmates (and adults) and whose photos were then plastered all over the Internet?

      Guess what my answer is.

      You opine that Aruba tourism is roaring ahead at a record clip. Guess that’s why your prime minister, Nelson Oduber, whined on Dutch TV that Aruba has “already” lost tens of millions of dollars in tourism revenue, precisely because of the Natalee Holloway case.

      I could go on and on … but I don’t want to.

      Stay on Aruba (if you are Aruban) and cry. Or, better, demand justice from your own government.

      But Arubans aren’t much for that, are they?

      And you say Aruba helped out the family in 2005? How … by one afternoon’s sham search? Forget it.

    97. 2amforsure on April 9th, 2008 6:27 pm

      Dotratc,
      What will it take to make you understand at this point that we will NEVER GIVE UP? It shouldn’t be too hard to understand, after almost 3 years. Geesh! I guess you just don’t understand the persistence of Americans when justice has been denied.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!

    98. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 6:30 pm

      wow kay
      I read that about the mafia and also it states that josy mansur is rich .. very powerful people in different countries.. money alundering… madia ties what do u think?

    99. arubagirl on April 9th, 2008 10:27 pm

      I was going to send an e-mail thanking SM from refraining about commenting on this story. Yeah . . .

      While I get from of all your posts about your hatred / disgust / loathing about Aruba, I don’t understand you (seemingly) lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.

      Yeah yeah yeah, “Aruba didn’t show compassion to Beth and Natalee Holloway”, you’re going to answer. But that doesn’t mean that you should gloat about this, right? One person lost his entire family in one shot. I cannot even begin to describe the shock and the uncomprension about this horrible crime. I know that you hate Aruba, but somehow I had hoped that there would be a “our thoughts and prayers are with the family” . . . SOMETHING to show that this story is more to you than just to prove your point.
      I know, very stupid of me. All those murders that happen in the States probably dulled the humanity right out of you.

    100. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 10:53 pm

      aruba girl
      listen up missy
      I ask you

      what could be more disgusting than… to know that joran cut natalies head off with one of his brothers was present… more disgusting to be gang raped by a bunch of pigs that cant get it any where else so they resort to killing..and . raping by god only knows how many … with the help of a lawyer to get rid of the body… he took an oath to protect as a lawyer and judge in training… he and many other officials there are not to be trusted they are corrupt pieces of vomit.. no one is making fun of what happened to those people.. but get over it and get used to it…. u should already be…it angers me to hear all of you from aruba come here and complain about the poor people that were murdered … yes… its… sad… and take note it was done by drug lords ..on your island.. does that not concern you… or is it that you are desensetized to life on that crappy island u live on….no one here is gloating.. we are merely trying to get our point across……….
      point being that… your laws suck… they apply only by… pick and choose of those in authority.. who will pay for their crimes and who wont..if you got money … you got a chance to walk.. again noooo one is insensetive to the murderers it is sad… if i were you .. i would pack my bags and find a safer place to live…get out of aruba before they put someone in the control towers that dont know what they were doing.. possibly a taxi cab driver… the kalpoe brothers… hell they can put anyone there… with no training… you sound young and with no idea what goes on in your island… could it be possible you are related to someone in power in aruba.. so that would make you exempt .. unless of course if you witness a crime and tell… guess what… poof your history..
      ARUBA ONE CRAPPY ISLAND
      BOYCOTT BOYCOTT BOYCOTT….
      JUSTICE FOR NATTALIE

    101. misskatie on April 9th, 2008 11:00 pm

      ALL OF US THAT COME HERE COME HERE TO SUPPORT BETH AND DAVE HOLLOWAY TO SEE SEE THAT JUSTICE IS SERVED.. WE SHARE IDEAS OUR COMMENTS AND WE ALSO PASS ON NEW INFORMATION.. WE CARE .. WE PRAY WITH BETH WE CRY WITH BETH.. WE ARE UNITED .. OUR PUROSE TO SEEK JUSTICE

      LIKE PERRY MASON SAID
      I REST MY CASE
      GOOD NITE MONKEYS
      TILL TOMORROW

    102. Don on April 10th, 2008 1:26 am

      It’s really like a mental institution here. You are dangerous. Biased. Prejudiced. Racist. You are the kind of people who drag the world into pointless wars. You think you can bash Aruba because you think it depends on you. How ignorant can you be.
      “The webcams show empty beaches on Aruba” ? Don’t make me laugh.Keep taking a good look on those webcams, maybe you can find your favourite dumb blonde. Stay where you are, eat your burgers and let your brain melt further (if you have anything left). ARUBA DUSHI TERRA
      __________-
      SM: And people who make comments against others and call people things are usually that themselves.

      News flash the the statically challenged … when a location depends 80% on tourism and out of that amount, 75-80% come from one country … that would be called a dependency. So yes, Aruban tourism does depend on us, the United States.

      The real question is your “hate”. Why would you not want to find a missing person?

      Don’t go away mad, just go away. You may want to brush up on a statistics and analysis course.
      R

    103. Patti on April 10th, 2008 1:35 am

      Certainly, no one means disrespect to the dead and it is always a tragic situation when a family member slaughters his own family. But, to mourn the death of only your own and not give a damn about an American girl who had her whole life in front of her, who was not a drug addict, not a whore and not deserving, in ANY way to be killed and abondoned by the authorities like she was, is unconscienable. Even the animals in the field will mourn the death of a young one, even if it’s not it’s own… unless the animals are scavangers; and, in the eyes of most Americans, the actions or inactions of the people of Aruba were like that of scavangers. They not only attacked the dead, scarring her reputation, but they also attacked the family that was trying to protect her.

      Who was praying for her? Who was trying to help the family? No one. In fact, they were lied to, led one wild goose chase after another and their efforts to find their daughter were interferred with at nearly every junction. Someone didn’t want her to be found… why? For the sake of SCAVENGERS?

      Why would an island of Ministers decide to cover the crime committed against her, sending her family on a roller-coaster ride; first the news of a confession, then none; then with news of her body being recovered; then not. What island in it’s right mind, would put a family; especially, a fine Christian family that was doing more than their fair share to help the officials find their daughter, do that?

      No one was crying over the body of Natalee Holloway. No one was placing flowers or teddy bears at her final resting place and she was a true victim that did nothing to deserve the treatment that she received on her final night in Aruba.

      That’s why we are critical. That’s why we don’t understand. How can you mourn one human family while you mock and harrass another? Aren’t we all made up of flesh and bone… priceless in God’s eyes and precious in his sight?

      So what if she WASN’t your friend or neighbor, she could have been. Anyone would be proud to have her as a daughter, sister, niece or best friend in the whole wide world! And, Natalee, made alot of friends, out of loving kindness and understanding… giving as most Christian girls are… and Aruba treated her like a piece of trash, easily disposed of and soon forgotten.

      Is that the Aruba we’re supposed to have compassion for? Or is compassion something that should run both ways? Her family turned their cheeks, many times, only to have them slapped again, over and over, again. How can you blame those that have destain for Aruba after ALLLL they’ve put us through.

      Her own step father begged the authorities, whom he was sure knew EXACTLY where Natalee was, “Just give us Natalee back and we will leave and never come back,” but even that was not enough. Instead this family has had to endure the torture, everyday, of not knowing where their child is.

      Cry, I’d cry, too; but at least that family will have a decent burial and be given a memorial service for all those that mourn them… but Natalee, no.

      .

      Boycott Aruba!

      Get out of Aruba
      and NEVER go back!

    104. dotratc on April 10th, 2008 7:13 am

      So was John Silvetti lying or was he just wrong when he praised the support and assistance The Persistence received from Arubans?

      Oh, by the way, good morning. Misskatie, I took your suggestion and did some research. Everything I found indicates that 2007 was a record year for tourism on Aruba and that, so far, 2008 is ahead of the last year’s record pace.

      I guess different people have different perceptions of things. I watched this whole story fairly closely all throughout the summer of 2005 (while the family was still on Aruba) and I was consistently amazed by how much support the family got from the local Arubans. I was also consistently impressed at the diligence of the police on Aruba for following up on every single lead, even leads that seemed to me to be far-fetched at the time (like when they drained the pond).

      And why would anyone think that I am on Aruba? I presume the moderators can check my ip. I am in the Birmingham, Alabama metropolitan area (North Shelby County, to be exact). Most of my impressions about what took place on Aruba during the summer of 2005 came from watching and reading local news sources, who had near daily reports of “Aruban niceness” and how overwhelmed and grateful the family was.

      I guess the family’s gratitude didn’t rub off on everyone.

    105. dotratc on April 10th, 2008 7:15 am

      Oh, and one more thing I have to ask (since I am brand new to this forum). A lot of you obviously support the boycott of Aruba. To those that support it, do you think that it will help solve the case (or, at the very least, help the family get some answers) or is it just an attempt to punish innocent Arubans that had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance and want the case to be solved more than anyone on Earth out side of Natalee’s immediate family?

    106. Dolf on April 10th, 2008 8:11 am

      dotract,

      you logic is wrong.

      at least here on this forum.

    107. Terri on April 10th, 2008 8:14 am

      dotratc… I will answer you. Yes, I do believe that the boycott will force the Arubans to come forward and fight against the corruption that has taken place by the people who are supposed to be setting an example on the island, people who obviously have some clout and are abusing their powers and obviously abusing the good people of Aruba. I have nothing against the good people of Aruba. I have never been there. I never plan to go. I would not go somewhere that is so heartless about a human being. To have someone disappear on your soil, you would think that the officials would do everything that they could to find this person. Instead, they have done everything they can to hid, manipulate, cover-up and lie… to protect who? I would not step foot on soil where human beings are discarded like yesterdays newspaper, not next week and never. It won’t make any difference that I will not go to Aruba, but I will guarantee that if anyone ever asks me why, they will get an earful.
      I am sorry for the people on Aruba who had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee, however, if they want to make things right, then they should demand from the officials who are running the Aruban “justice” (and I use this word loosely) system that the proper people responsible for this young woman’s disappearance come forward and do the right thing by her family and that is to tell the truth, so that this family may have some closure and put their poor Natalee to rest. That is just common sense. It seems as if several of you posters here don’t have much of that.

    108. dotratc on April 10th, 2008 8:43 am

      Terri (#107), you and I must not have been following the same case because I saw the police on Aruba going to herculean efforts to try to solve it.

      Here’s what I believe. I believe that Joran was with Natalee when she died. I also believe that he is responsible for the fact that her body has never been found. Considering how thoroughly the island was searched, I have to believe that Natalee was dumped in the ocean; probably before anyone even knew she was missing. I still don’t have a strong opinion on how she died but, since I believe that Joran either dumped her in the ocean himself or arranged to have her dumped in the ocean, and I also believe that he would not have done that unless there was something about the cause of her death that would somehow implicate him, I believe that Joran knows how she died and is probably responsible. It may not have been a murder but he is still responsible.

      But, the fact that no evidence has ever turned up has made this the impossible case for Aruban police. I just don’t see the corruption that many of you obviously do.

    109. Don on April 10th, 2008 8:44 am

      We all know Americans think they have invented common sense. Sadly it isn’t common sense at all to take an act of 0,003 % of the population out on 99,997 % of the population. It’s using a nuke to kill a musquito. I am sure even Nathalee would not agree with that. But of course you know better.

    110. misskatie on April 10th, 2008 9:13 am

      doxtric
      you people from aruba are in serious denial .. geez..why come here .. i dont recall anyone giving you an invite.. go form your own blog and discuss your idiotic ideas and negative opinions and all your biased and false info too.. leave us to our mission to seek JUSTICE FOR NATALIE…
      let me escort you to the door.. dont go away mad just go away..
      go go go,,,

    111. misskatie on April 10th, 2008 9:16 am

      omg how scarry your from alabama hmmm.. interesting…

    112. Terri on April 10th, 2008 9:20 am

      Dorky… God invented my common sense and boy did he give me plenty of it. He made me an American too and I am so glad of that :) . Now, it seems as though that 99 % of the population has alot of work to do, so I suggest they get busy!
      I have done my bs, so any other mean things that you have to say to me will just have to be seen by everyone else. bye

    113. Don on April 10th, 2008 9:23 am

      We will stay. As long as you keep mindlessly calling for a boycot. As long as you keep ranting on Aruba while you live in a counrty with the highest crime rates in the world. This site is not about justice for Nathalee, it’s about bashing Aruba just because you can. It’s quite pathetic when you think about it.

    114. dotratc on April 10th, 2008 9:26 am

      Misskatie, I see that you realized your own mistake about where I’m from.

      I will leave if that’s what people want me to do but, before I go, I have to wonder what the purpose of this blog is if people who don’t agree with a certain mindset or a certain set theory about what happened to Natalee Holloway are summarily told to shove off. Are you looking for the truth or are you just looking for more people that agree with your agenda?

    115. Richard on April 10th, 2008 9:50 am

      First of all, nobody is gloating about a murder on Aruba or anywhere else. The point of the article is … unlike the United States, Aruba is in constant denial about its crime problem.

      This has been pointed out time and again, and I don’t plan to keep doing it.

      Aruba says it’s “one safe happy island” … tell that to the crime victims. If you don’t think there are any, read the handouts that we prepared for our boycott demonstrations. Okay?

      I’m sure that the Aruban people, as such, are no better or worse than anyone else. But we will not let the Aruban government do what it wants to do … have Natalee be forgotten, and lure more people there who will be no safer.

      We have learned, over the last three years, about the crime and corruption on Aruba. If Aruba chooses to do nothing about it … well, that’s all the more reason to promote a boycott.

      So that’s the issue, and all the garbage that we keep getting about the “poor innocent Arubans” is increasingly sickening.

      Go ask the two security guards arrested in the first days after Natalee vanished who helped them.

      Anyone who doesn’t support the boycott … give us your ideas on what other tool we can employ to keep our people safe and to demand justice for Natalee Holloway.

      We owe Aruba NOTHING. We demand justice for Natalee … or no more tourists.

      What can be simpler?

    116. Richard on April 10th, 2008 9:54 am

      One more comment before I abandon this thread …

      My understanding is that the van der Sloots have said that they couldn’t care less about a tourist boycott of Aruba.

      Maybe some of the Aruban posters here ought to take a look closer to home for the answer to their problems. But that would involve a little effort, wouldn’t it?

      Funny how none of them will speak up against their own government. Really funny. Some of us might call it contemptible cowardice … but we’ve come to see that as par for the course.

      And for the place.

      And for the people.

    117. Terri on April 10th, 2008 11:42 am

      dotratc … you know that this is the same case. And perhaps the police did go full force to try to solve this. However, there are alot of unexplained things said by prominent people, for which there has been no acceptable explanation. Therefore, the conclusion and the concensus of alot of people is a cover-up. What are you thinking when you see the #1 suspect admit that something tragic happened and his friend disposed of her? <— I am asking this in all sincerety. This is many things pointed to as actually happened and the powers that be just close their eyes to it, like it should all go away. And it should not. A mother lost her daughter. She has the right to put her to rest. A father lost his daugther. He has the right to mourn. A brother lost his sister, a class group lost their friend.
      If you have been following this case, then what is your explanation for all of the lies? Some of them were extremely damaging.
      So are you saying that you should be able to do anything that you want to – even hurt someone to the point of death and it is ok until they find evidence and prove who did it? Boy, wouldn’t that be a wonderful world to live in.
      Have you read Beth’s or Dave’s book? From day one, all they wanted was answers and all they got was a run around – from the bottom of the totem pole to the top.

    118. Patti on April 10th, 2008 12:08 pm

      We support the boycott to keep our people safe.
      There is nothing worse than being a victim of
      crime in a country that is so corrupt that it
      doesn’t even report the cause of death, for it’s
      own people, correctly.

      Aruba does what it wants… hiding its’ secrets.
      And we do what we have to do to uncover them.
      But all we’ve heard from Aruba’s officials are
      lies and the people of Aruba only whine. Until
      there are changes made in Aruba, the boycott will
      continue.

      .

      One more point… you have your own theory of what
      happened to Natalee, so why is it that Joran has
      not been arrested? Even from his own mouth, he
      says, “Something Bad Happened” while the officials
      do nothing. In his own words, he says, “Daury did
      him a favor by dumping her body in the sea, not
      knowing, for sure, whether she was alive or dead”
      and AGAIN Aruba does nothing.

      What would YOU do if it was your daughter? Being
      kind and polite to an island that makes you feel
      like you have a knife to your throat, does not
      mean that you’re happy with the status quo.

      Beth Holloway, herself, asked for a boycott; not
      to further her cause, but to see that this never
      happens to another unsuspecting young lady again.

      Think about it!

      .

      Boycott!

    119. misskatie on April 10th, 2008 1:12 pm

      patty
      good choice of words.. true true

      boycott continues

    120. misskatie on April 10th, 2008 1:29 pm

      sorry
      I meant to say patti
      smiles

    121. misskatie on April 10th, 2008 2:53 pm

      wheres everyone

    122. misskatie on April 10th, 2008 11:27 pm

      as nancy grace says every time she signs off
      GOOD NITE FRIEND

    123. crossbow on April 11th, 2008 8:02 pm

      pattie 103:
      “Even the animals in the field will mourn the death of a young one, even if it’s not it’s own…”

      I often wondered about that statement before;; until most recently.
      This is true as of two days ago.
      A squirrel near my home was hit by a car and lay dead in the gutter. Another squirrel came by and stopped. It stayed with the dead squirrel for about 5 to 10 seconds montionless, with his hands together. I could swear it was like it was praying.
      Sorry but I had to share that moment and reinforce what you said..

    124. misskatie on April 12th, 2008 3:09 pm

      CROSSBOW
      HOW PRECIOUS…

    125. Allen on April 14th, 2008 9:00 pm

      I’ve been reading posts that say Joran is in Holland???

      Is this true??

      I’ve seen it a couple times…

    126. Aruba: Crime Increased 11.3% Last Year … Youth Crime a Major Concearn | Scared Monkeys on June 13th, 2008 6:08 am

      [...] ever happened to Aruba … “One safe island” where no crime ever took place? It would appear that myth has now been put to rest. Aruba [...]

    127. susy ( a proud arubian!!!! ) on March 6th, 2009 8:25 pm

      what r u winnin talkin bad about our island?? in the us doesnt any crime happens?? tsss

    128. Chris on November 29th, 2009 9:00 am

      I think it is sad and disgusting what this website is trying to do, you obviously have nothing else to do. For all of us that go on vacation, we have to use our comon sense, and not put your self in dangerous situations. Drugs are the worst thing that happened to us as a human race, what makes you think it will not reach your own house, DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR HOUSE TO BE A SAFE PLACE ???? If they say their island is safe you have to believe them I have been going to aruba for 25 years never had any problem only gotten more expensive, but anyway leave My Island with rest. back off and find somethig usefull to do with your time
      Chris Taylor
      ________
      SM: Back Off? How about you go take a flying leap, you head in the sand fool. Leave your island alone. Personally, you can have the sess pool.

      Sorry Charlie, but I had been going to Aruba long before you even thought about it. The first time I went was in 1975. It has changed and awful lot and not for the better. It’s become more expensive. Are you kidding? You can get to Aruba for a song these days as they are desperate for tourists.

      I wonder how you would feel Chris if this happened to you? If your loved one was murdered and your beloved Aruba screwed you around and the never prosecuted to one responsible? Hmm? I bet you would become our best friend.

      The fact of the matter is that many crimes occur in Aruba; however, they go unreported. Can have anything get in the way of your precious tourism. Sorry, you just happened to be a selfish individual where as long as it does not impact you, you turn the other way.

      I lived and worked in Aruba and could tell horror stories of what went on, the corruption and how they treated their own people, let alone never reported stories. My mother was mugged at knife point. Bet you will never find that police report.

      Aruba came to the forefront because they willfully tried to turn their back on a murder investigation and then claimed incompetence when the reality it was corruption and collusion.

      Heaven help you if anything did happen to you. Wonder who you would call if it did.

      Aruba is no longer the safe place that it once was. If they actually adhered to the rules and laws that they promoted in their tourism fliers, that might be a good start.

      If it is so safe as you claim, then where is Natalee Holloway and why did so many go to so much trouble to cover up the crime?
      R

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