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hello Jane! yeah, seems like BOstonnians and Mainers all love aruba and go back again and again- what part of maine are you from? Isnt this the worst? I feel for the islanders and the family of the girl… but aruba has been slowly changing… we used to feed the goats, now down town is like canccun or something…
Here is one theory
Natelee hooks up the Judge’s son at C&C…she goes with them willing (why did she have to be drugged – after all reports have her smiling at her friends). She probably expected to get some alone time with the Judge’s son. He claims they did…
Then things get out of hand – the other guys want to get involved – she resists and it becomes violent.
This chain of events is straight forward and very pausable…why they let the three off in the first place (short of a mystery survelience camera shot of them getting out of their car) seems very irresponsible. Some seem to think power & influence are only US traits – give me a break. Why not tell me only US men pick up women in bars for a little sex on the beach.
Oh…one report say now the police will search they homes…ten days later…very good police work if that is the case. Maybe the bloody clothes are still in the hamper!!!
Soon those 3 will turn on each other, just like the movies.
I wonder what if anything they have on these guys other than their own statements placing themselves with the missing girl?
Maybe Clint Eastwood could put alittle “Dirty Harry” move on them
Duck – weren’t these three seen with her at C&C?
pretty true phil- whats left for evidence now- especially if he went to DADDY and sked him what to do, i hope this is alot more simple- but if the boys were paid to reel girls in and then they were passed off to a bigger fish, that just creeps me out, maybe judges son got himself involved in something he couldnt get out of… there are so many theorys, i mean the 3 guys are definately guilty, and i think the two men are as well- unfortunately i think this may be bigger than we think, i wonder if the FBU are checking websites for white slavery and all that crap? My friends in aruba said the venezualans HATE americans…
It’s about time, and possibly brought about by pressure from the Arubans. I remember the young man Greta interviewed last night (can’t recall his name, but he was the guy with the big star on his tee shirt) was certainly calling for a closer look at these three. One gets the feeling he’s not alone.
That is the story. I don’t know Dutch law but you have to wonder if they have anything at all other than they were with the girl. Maybe they have found something. Or maybe they have decided they will eventually turn on eachother to save their own hides. I wonder if the defendant has the Right to remain silent?
Near Portland, Marie! I’m still praying that Natalee is alive and will be found soon. I can even imagine what her family is going through. Let’s hope these three young men finally talk.
you would think if they had anything on them then they would have kept them in custodody intiially, right? unless daddy got him out of it then it was too much for even him w/ all of the pressure …
I have a hard time believing these 3 were into providing girls for human slavery given their age, status, and likely wealth they seem much more like typical boys trying to get lucky.
i smell that daddy has a stink somewhere.
Camden here Jane!
I do feel badly for these kind arubians, but i think that they have been sweeping it under the rug and turniong a blind eyue on the growing crime, etc for a long time now-
I think it is HUGELY infortunate that this many days has gone by, for any tracks to be covered up regardless of her wherabouts now… if the three are guilty they have had 10 days to get their stories straight and hide any evidence there may havve been???
I think there is a big, i mean BIG pappa smurf involved, i think this is bigger than people are thinking … like a drug lord or something playing some of these wild locals like puppets for drugs and or money? am i being too harsh?
Hi Tom, Thanks again for your e-mail last night. Please continue to be on lookout for “EL SICKO.”
Murkier and murkier. Now 3 more arrested. On the previous thread Chris Lupo from Florida called Joran Van Der Sloot (sp?) “a f****** punk.” Is he? Anyone know something about him?
yeah- they may be rich kids duck…. but from my experience rich kids get bored, and want to live in the fast lane and be wild- pretend they are something that they arent- i mean my town is FULL of little punks with their pants down low- pretending to be gangstahs from the hood… and they are dropped off evbery morning from school bu mum in her new benz… ay know? it is cool for boys to be bad these days- i cant think it is any different in aruba than anyplace else????
sorry about my spell and typos MY!!! geez- im trying to do too many things at onced this mornng and I KNOW there is an audit crowd here
It may surprise you but teenagers do lie to their parents, it doesn’t mean the father is involved at all.
not necessarily involved- it is a possiblity, we do ANYTHING for our kids do we not?
Duck, by pappa i was referring to a sugar daddy of sorts, thats all…
If you dont think judge to be pulled a few strings… well? He may not have but…
ANd what parent cant tell when their kid is telling a lie?
You ahve to choose your battles with some kids>
I have been saying it for quite some time now, those 3 guys needed to be arrested for kidnapping and raping her after getting her drunk, good to see that authorities also saw that.
Let’s not forget, we’re still waiting for the Carlos And Charlie’s crime joint to be shut down for promoting young women to get drunk and to behave in an inappropriate manner. Put padlocks on the doors, board up the windows, throw the management in jail, and then seize the property.
Jacob,
Got it. We understand you are not a free market market conservative, but my eyes can not take another 100 posts saying the same thing. PLEASE PLEASE do not do the same post all day today.
Thank you
The Management
this seems to be you’re on a mission jacob- sorry to say, they are too big! you may disagree with what goes on there, but it is the supply and demand theory, if they close another one will pop open, becasue people GO there and LOVE to got here, and theyu make a lot of money- we can only hope that this makes people think TWICE about things when they go there, people think they are safe in Aruba- i would NEVER walk home in mexico or ewven the states, but aruba OF COURSE!!! It is one happy island – nobody will come to harm in aruba….you know?
Huh ? A free market conservative ??? A free market conservative does not mean you favor drug deals on the street, you are very erroneous in your logic, Tom.
This Carlos And Charlie’s has had nothing but problems with years now, with many women being raped shortly after leaving that crime joint, the time has come and passed to shut that dump down.
A reposting of the same thing over and over from K***** should also be avoided. THANK YOU!!!
people just need to be more careful now… there was a sensew of security for letting it all hang down in aruba- you could let your guard down you are safe, not like mexico and europe and Dc where you ahve to watch your back, pocketbook, your drink (for rufies) SAD, yes but true,
AND THAT OLD BAG MO FROM MO HAS GOT TO GO!!!!
jacob- the same thing happens evereywhere – they are not the problem, the people abusing it are the problem… please, we understand your point but you were her a long time yesterday saying the same thing…
you mean the one correcting my spelling evrry three seconds? lmao
there many soap box standers here
Timothy, dropped your acid yet today? Please don’t forget your medication!
oh brotherer not again guys… this is so trivial…l please!
PEACE
I’m Audi
5000
True Marie, but it paid off, we kept the focus on Jaron Van Punk Sloot, and now he is behind bars where he belongs for the kidnapping and attack on Natalee, even though his daddy is the Judge – daddy could not get him off this one. Now that Jaron Van Punk Sloot is in jail for his actions, we can concentrate more on the Carlos And Charlie’s crime joint, which have employees that egg on young people to drink and dance too much, and which serve drinks which are far too strong.
UH, CINDY, JILL’S A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU. WHO ARE YOU TO BE TELLING PEOPLE TO GO? IN ADDITION, HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE’S AN “OLD BAG?” WOW, YOU’RE AS BAD AS SOME OF THE SEXIST MALES ON THIS SITE.
I don’t blame the establishment C&C.
Obviously there is a market for this type of environment.
TRUE, MARIE – but you need to blame the perps. Timothy Leary the acid dropper just started with me, I did NOT “START” WITH HIM. Get it?
Cindy just bashed Jill.
So, you sick of this shit? Put the blame where it belongs so far – on Timmy and Cindy.
It is 9:26 in the AM, It is too early to have to put people in time out.
PLEASE RESPECT EACH OTHER AND STOP THE PERSONAL STUFF.
Talk about the topic, not each other …
Do you realize how many people are reading these comments?
PLAY NICE.
kortnie please get a room with jill and allow us to talk about the situation in aruba.
Thank you
I hop you understand
This board is not about YOU!
If I am mistaken please let me know RED and TOM.
If I’m right would you please police KORTNIE.
thanks in advance.
Lets not forget — her parents made the decision to let her go on a drinking vacation (Bingo!). The chaperons did not have a handle on the situation (Bingo!). Natalee was a drinking fool at an age where she could only dink lemonade in the good old US of A (Bingo!). Natalee’s 100+ friends attending this drinking party could not be bothered to keep her out of harms way (Bingo!).
This situation would be laughable if it wan’t tragic! (Bingo!)
Deputy
Hi, Red. There are SPECIFIC people here who “start” w/others – not everyone.
Therefore, please put the blame WHERE it belongs this morning – on TIMOTHY LEARY (!) and Cindy.
Thanks.
Jacob have you seen the move footloose?
I agree with Former Sheriff’s Deputy!
Sam
You have some nerve, TJ!
I did not start anything. How dare you make a sexual reference concerning me and Jill? You are a f’ing asshole, you know that?
TOM AND RED, COULD YOU GET THIS CREEP OFF MY BACK?
You win Kortnie.
I’m leaving for another site.
No offence Red and Tom.
Best wishes.
TJ
I too think the parents are the source for the problems Natalee encoutered!
Sam
Ok I am very sad for what has happened to this gril but this case is complete caos! I no longer know what happened or could have happened! thier are like 1000000 stories! were are the chaperones?were are her friends?were is her boyfreind(ifshehadone) this is just liek a game of clue!This island is suffering for something that is not their fault!
Kortnie
If you are going to be sensitive to every possible comment and slight, we can not protect you. This is an open board about a topic and every time you insinuate something and say something snarky back, it causes another battle.
So ignore them or thicken your skin. please.
Tom
YAY!
STAY ON TOPIC, EVERYONE.
This is not an open thread… It is about Natalee Holloway. Keep to it.
I have read all the comments. I feel that Natalee created an environment of risk for herself that was endorsed by her parents. This girl, though academically smart, seems to be short of common sense.
If this girl returns, which lets face it, is very unlikely, she will need therapy. Drinking it up and sexing it up at the age of 18 is not cool.
Jeff
P.S.
I too agree with the Former Sheriff’s Deputy
Day #11 : and we are still waiting for a padlock to be placed on the front doors of the Carlos and Charlie’s crime joint which encourages young girls to drink too much and expose themselves, which we have picture proof of, here are 2 interior pictures of the crime joint :
Picture 1 : http://community.webshots.com/photo/288548973/288548973vkaDnT
Picture 2 : http://community.webshots.com/photo/122644045/122644045yRNtSb
Here is another profile webpage that Jaron Van Punk Sloot has of himself :
http://members.msn.com/default.msnw?guids=6XKlWX0flEdSwxM0r*naQjOKK!*DVyALfe8Ib0t9s1yYCkjrShrDUzDDM7HBilK*qj
Red, shut your mouth. No one made you boss. People should be able to say what they want. This is America.
Jeff
I agree with Jeff Watterson. I think Natalee created her own mess!
Amy
JEFF
YOU ARE IN MY HOUSE AND WILL DO EXACTLY WHAT I SAY.
Obey the rules
‘Drinking and sexing it up” has taken it’s toll,,again.
Right, Tom, thanks. And I see that it’s not happening to you. I hardly think you would “ignore” if you were being verbally attacked. It’s not “insinuating,” — it’s right out there. It’s OK for someone named “TJ” to make a crummy and sexist sexual reference to women on this board? That stinks.
Jeff
This is america, and you are in our house. We can throw you out of our house any time we like because this is our property. Remember that. And do not be rude to us in our house, got it?
Tom
Can someane post the link to the site with thenaked pics of Natalee Hollowa?
espeically any hinny shots!
thanks
Freddie
I am very disappointed with the Fox NEws channel how they are portraying our island! a sex trade island?? Are you crazy?? I have lived here for 9 years now…..you have NO IDEA how proud these people are of their families and coutnry! jsut like americans!Ofcourse their are a couple that arent as “proud” of themselves as others….but you will never see one arubian girl as a prostitute….so sex trade is not an option here…..yes their is legal prostitution but in a secluded area of the island and all the women are either colombian or venezuelan….so this is just scandelous fo rhte island and its nothing like that!
Natalee’s hormones were a blazing. She seems like she was as loose as a goose.
Her parents seem like nuts.
Jill
This is a situtation were a girl that probably the 1st time drinking, 1st time clubbing, 1st time without parental control…things she wouyld NEVER do in alabama!
This is the last warning. We will turn the comments off if this continues. Family and Friends of Natalee are reading this site and we do not need garbage. A lot of great information has come out of these discussions, some of which is probably impacting the investigation.
However, we are not a chat room. And we do not need to have this personal garbage going on.
She is a teenager.
It is natural for her hormones to be blazing.
Sex is one thing….murder is another.
JMHO
See Tom, you just got attacked and you HARDLY “ignored” it! Oh, just ignore and develop a thicker skin! What a hypocrite!
These guys from Fox NEws im tellign you are slugs! really have no f*cking idea what their talking about….i bet theyve never been here and are just exagertaing stories! I tell you the american ppress is the worst shit!
Red,
Your house is out of control!!!!!!
I can spoof my IP address. Go see if you can kick me off!
You might be able to erase my posts, but that is it. I’ll post under different names.
You are and old goof ball.
Jeff
Exactly AmericanInAruba, her 1st time drinking, 1st time clubbing… and it all happened at the Carlos And Charlie’s crime joint, which we have proof serves drinks too strong, and which we have proof of that their employees encourage young girls to drink too much and expose themselves, and they condone the behavior in these 2 pictures :
Picture 1 : http://community.webshots.com/photo/288548973/288548973vkaDnT
Picture 2 : http://community.webshots.com/photo/122644045/122644045yRNtSb
A solution to this problem is to slap a padlock on that dump Carlos And Charlie’s, throw the management in jail – slap them with charges of being accessories to kidnapping and murder, and seize their property. Time to take off the kid gloves and treat these dump establishments severely.
Kortnie et al,
I could care less about personal attacks, I am talking about the demeanor of the site. We are shutting it down , may reopen later, but I think we hit the point of no return,
Tom and Red
I am a friend of natalee ,to be honest its to much garbage is this site,Natalee is missing and there are people writing crap .its so sad
Timmie,
I have been so sorry that any friend of her’s had to see a lot of what was being said. It’s so sad, all of it.
Yes Mrs .red its way to sad,what’s going on in this world
Timmie
I apologize for the stuff that happenned on this site. We have been working all day on it and these issues should be done. We are keeping it going as it has because many good things have happenned through this site also.
Tom
Thanks Tom
Yes, it is very sad. A young woman is missing, we need to keep the focus on her. How can we expect world peace when we can’t even get along with our neighbours and the people on this site. It’s a shame.
I’m hopeful for a happy ending.
Timmie & SS –
keep in mind there are also a lot of worried, good people that having been posting on this site- Another Father, Juanit, Ms. Trinie, Red, and Tom and we have all winced at the vitrol that some people have enjoyed spewing. Please keep the good in mind and don’t let the trolls get you down.
We’re all praying……,
Except, maybe, for those of us who don’t pray.
Those of us are HOPING.
We are all hoping for a happy ending. Nothing would please us more. It’s strange how someone can disappear so quickly in this instance, as well as other instances. You really wonder what the heck happened. It’s frightening.
To Jim:
It is true that people make mistakes. However, there is no room for mistakes when it comes to a child’s life. I think the chaperones were negligent, and so were the “friends” who let her walk out of that club with 3 men. Period.
I have noticed that every story involving abuse on the island of Aruba has a consistent theme: young women befriending locals. When did parents stop teaching their children NOT to talk to strangers? That is also a mistake for which there is no excuse. It may be inconvenient, but the safety of our children should be a priority at all times. The world is too crazy to live like we did in the 50′s. Trust is gone. We have to live accordingly.
mrs red
I know there are god people posting in this site.I have been so down the last few days,I know natalee ,she is so sweet , we are teens and sometimes naive
quart do u pray?
Mrs. Red,
Yes, there have been some absolutely wonderful people! I enjoyed hearing from Another Father..he is a wonderful concerned father, of I believe 2 girls himself, so it really hit home for him.
It is sad and I’m sure that all people are hoping that Natalee will be found and that those responsible will be punished.
It’s impossible to keep people from speculating, Timmie, it’s what people do. It’s talking about the good and bad that help us learn. It’s discussions (good and bad) that help us to not have the same thing happen again. If we don’t talk about what we feel, what we believe could have happened, we can easily make the same mistakes as others.
And remember, having the freedom to speak one’s mind is something we all share with each other. Your right to say you don’t like what others say, is protected as much as their right to say what you don’t like to hear.
When I read sites like this, I read the posts I want and disregard the rude, obnoxious individuals. After a while, you’ll learn who the people are that you want to read and who those are that you will just want to pass over.
In the meantime, my thoughts are with Natalee, her family, friends and all of us who are hoping for the best.
I feel for Natalee’s family & friends & I pray that they find her & can put this to rest. i hope that the people who are responsible for this will be held accountable.
Timmie,
It sounds like you also may be a classmate of Natalee. I have been disappointed at the personal attacks that I have read here, too. There were some very good posts here a day or two ago before things got out of control, particularly from Natalee’s friend WOIMB. There was also a nice post from someone who knows Natalee’s mom because Beth had worked with his/her son.
I live in Mtn. Brook and I picked the name Yellow Ribbon because, as you probably know, every other mailbox here has been decorated with one since Natalee vanished. It is an emotional experience just to drive to work in the morning. It is almost like the way that American Flags came out everywhere after 9-11.
For everyone who is second guessing the parents, chaperons and friends, there is no question that they are also second guessing themselves. I can also assure you that it will be a long time before any of the kids from Mtn. Brook or the other schools in Birmingham take a trip like this. Timmie, you may know, but it seems to me that since this was the third year this trip had been taken that the parents, chaperones and kids may have let their guard down a little. What do you think?
In any case, I know that Natalee’s family is not interested in any of that right now. Her mom went to Aruba the very day she found out about Natalee’s disappearance and she is totally focused on finding her girl. Let’s pray that she does.
Folks
I have to thank everyone for the change in tone on the board. It got out of hand, and for that I apologize, but the turnaround is wonderful and appreciated.
thank you and pray for Natalee
Tom
Yellow Ribbon
We have devoted time to this because we think its important. Unfortunately not everyone is going to have something positive to say. Just like everything in life. We have received many personal emails from both AL and Aruba that are amazing. Then of course we have to deal with some of the stuff you are referencing.
This should never be not about Natalee. As I just witnessed in a press conference from Aruba it is not all about her. However, it is what you make of it and your words were perfect. It is not the blame game time that will come in all due time. However, as anyone knows who has blamed themselves for something that has happened in their lives, the guilt one lives with is worse than anyone could ever say.
It is hard to imagine that they have not find Natalee on such a small island, nothing not a trace. It does provide hope that she is still out there.
The people, family & friends are more than welcome to email us as some have already done if they do not wish to comment for all to see. We are thinking about doing a post on that very thing. We have sent emails of encouragement to the family and hope that this has a safe and happy outcome.
just back from work- did we find her yet?
unfortunately, no.
Red (& Tom, too),
Thanks and keep up the good work.
No, Marie. Not yet!
We also have a Yahoo chat room, under Communities/Issues/ User Boards… if anyone wants to join us there.
My prayers are with Natalee and her family…
To all of the parents out there who are kind enough to read this: Please consider why you would allow your 18 year old child (and that is what they still are no matter how “mature” they may seem) to travel abroad without you. I am just not understanding why we as parents think these kinds of extravagant trips are necessary for a high school grad celebration. This crime could have been prevented. Instead of looking back fondly at their high school graduation, all of these kids are dealing with a horrible tragedy.
Tom:
You know your recap of the press conference mentioned that they are working with SA officials. This gives me hope too that she is alive, although maybe a victim of “human traficking”. It would explain why there is NO trace of her on Aruba so far.
It would be a long psychological road back if she is found and that is the case.
Elizabeth Smart seemed to be recovering from a similar fate when they had her on some Dateline or some other type show.
Jacob,
Of all people, posted some photos of the boy that seems the most culpable of the 3….the judge or soon-to-be-judge’s son. One of them showed him with a dog leash around the throat (Abu Ghraib-like). I guess it was supposed to be funny.
But that kind of humor is pretty off center and cruel.
The need for drug money that he cannot ask Dad for could explain a lot, if that is the case.
The three with whom she left the C&C club. If only one of them had sex with her, then why did the other two go along? And, if she wasn’t drunk when she left the club and was falling down when they allegedly dropped her off at her hotel, then what happened in the mean time? Lots of unanswered questions.
Hi, I’m back! The latest I have is that around 2:45pm yesterday Natalee has been seen at a gasoline station in Oranjestad and she was caught on the video surveillance tape at the gasoline station. The police of Aruba are currently verifying this. So we can’t conclude anything yet but workers at the gasoline station are sure that this is Natalee. But we again we can’t conclude on anything.
Okay, the dutch boy Van Stupid just got hammered on FNC, they flashed up his car license plate, showed his car being impounded by a flat-bed tow truck, showed the punk Van Stupid entering police headquarters with a towel on his head, he is facing the music now, along with his 2 friends.
Jairo…
I find it hard to believe that Natalee could be at a gasoline station and no one would report it right away.
Hello, group, and sorry to have to read some of the trash posted here, tho’, by and large, the commentary here has been far better than that I saw on some of the other blogsites. And, actually, “SS”, it’s 3 daughters, finally out of their teens (can I relax now?), one beauty queen, one professional model, one professional show dancer – trust me, not kids you want to go on tropical vacations with if you intend to relax. I don’t know how many beach towels I’ve had to throw over thong-clad butts, but it’s plenty.
We took our girls to tons of tropical resorts, throughout Mexico and the Caribbean, and we have watched places that, at one time, were pretty safe (no place is absolutely safe) become increasingly more dangerous. It’s not the fault, necessarily, of the tourists or of the host countries, it’s the consequence of increasing opportunity for harm following the herd. I’m afraid Aruba is just one more destination that is about to experience that unfortunate phenomenon.
One thing that I have noticed – and this is something of which I’ve had some personal experience – is that, in virtually everyone of these “go to” establishments (be it “Senor Frog’s” or “Carlo’s and Charlie’s” or “Squid Roe” or any other popular party spot), you will find at least one prominently placed table, hosting a very slick, well turned out, obviously well heeled, and, if you get any background on him, invariably well connected young man, along with his posse. These guys are completely on the make and one gets the sense that they are used to living in cultures where their wealth and status totally immunize them. These guys are the ones the one Aruban young lady, who was on here earlier, wrote about, who basically can get away with victimizing the locals because their family position protects them. Increasingly, it seems to me, over the last decade or so, they’ve also figured out that the tourist girls are just as vulnerable. Befriend them and then take them off to do what you want. So they get raped. They go home and they blame themselves and they hide their victimization and these guys can continue as before. And I think the level of arrogance is such that, if the girl shows any resistance or likelihood of telling or fighting back, they’re not above harming her or, as is seemingly the case with Amy Bradley, selling her to a ready market for women.
I may be completely guilty of misjudging the young Dutch gentleman, but everything about him, including the rapidity with which he was initially cleared as a suspect (in favor of a couple unemployed security guards), says that he’s of this ilk. If so, then the indignation of the Aruban people and the fact that Ms. Holloway’s family, too, had some influence, may have foiled their plan.
Please note that these are opinions. I’m as dependent on hearsay for my facts as the rest of you. I just know I was gratified that the Aruban authorities decided to take a second look at these three.
Another father, there your wrong. They were released because they were witnesses in this case. The police just took their statements, compared them with each other and at first found no evidence that they were involved in the dissaperance of this girl. The were never charged with anything so in the dutch justice system they are not cleared of anything. You must remember that at that point in time there was not enough evidence of foul play to keep them in custody.
I know the van der sloots. They are very nice people. Joran could not have done something like this. I know the family and also went to the same highschool. They are not rich like everyone reports. His dad is studying to be a judge, not sure if he is yet.
It’s very hard to believe that Joran could do something like this. Again, the family is very nice.
want an update on spotting her at the gas station- is this crap or real?
When a neighbor of a murderer says, “he was such a good all american boy”, I realize.. we never really KNOW anyone. It would seem, that given certian circumstances, anyone is capable of anything. Sometimes our biggest weakness is assumptions and think we know what others will or will not do.
Never say never!
Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot can’t believe the mess he is in, FBI is after him, Aruba police, international authorities, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Alabama Gov. Bob Riley and Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, they’re all over this case and I have been on this case myself for quite some time now. I was expecting these 3 punks to be thrown in jail for quite some time now.
Satish Kalpoe, born July 30, 1986, and Deepak Kalpoe, born Oct. 6, 1983 better start talking, there is no time to play games with those two punks either. I would say give those two punks a week to talk, if they do not talk, then execute them in the center of Aruba, that will send a message to all the punks on the island of Aruba that the USA is coming to clean up the mess down there and put an end to that big drug-smuggling country. If there is one thing I don’t take, it’s crap from some tiny little island nation that doesn’t treat people with respect.
As for the Carlos N Charlie’s management, they know that we are on to them, and we cannot let up on those punks either, they also need to be held on charges of being an accessory to numerous assaults over the years.
Jane – When a neighbor of a murderer says, “he was such a good all american boy”, that when you realize they have their head in the sand!!!
90 percent of opinion is placed on looks not actions…this kid doesn’t seem All-American to me by any stretch…hanging out in bars looking to use women for his pleasure…nice kid??? Not in my book.
We needed to get people to recognize good people because they help others and try to improve the world around them…not because they look good…
As I said, “ArubaninUS”, I do not know Mr. Van der Sloot. I do know that a young woman, billing herself as “Friend of Mickey” (apparently Mickey Jones, one of the arrested security guards), was just as passionate in defending him on the basis that this was just not something he would do. I also know that the last person seen with Ms. Holloway, by any independent witness, was Mr. Van der Sloot. Nobody (aside, perhaps, from Mr. Van der Sloot) claims to have seen Mickey Jones with her. Nonetheless, under Dutch and Aruban law, they did, in fact, detain the two security guards, at the time of their initial questioning, but they did not detain Mr. Van der Sloot or his companions. That may be totally justified, given what was said and what the Aruban authorities may know. From an American perspective, it looked fishy and, as noted, I’m glad the issue is being revisited.
There are a multitude of possibilities here, including that she ran off, that she died accidentally, that some unknown person abducted her after she returned to the hotel, even that she was returned to the wrong hotel and wandered into trouble. I do know that standard police procedure is to work from the last known contact and, in this case, that is Mr. Van der Sloot. Personally, I hope he’s innocent and that the guards are innocent and, in fact, that there has been no crime. Those are not sanguine hopes after 10 days and this much effort and publicity.
License Plate A-21917, does that ring a bell Joran ? That’s right Joran, that is on the back of your gray Honda, the one you put Altezza euro taillights on and special rims and body ground effects, that was impounded today by a yellow Ford flat-bed, I am all over every part of this case Joran, I know more about what happened at your house today than you do. When you put that towel over your head this morning and were stuffed in the back of the cop car – I saw that also you punk Joran, I saw everything today. I saw the computer being hauled out of your house, the same computer that you used last night to cancel your Tickle online profile where you were looking for girls and passing yourself off as some clean cut kid, I saw right through your smoke and mirrors. As for your 2 friends, or shall I say partners in crime, I am slowly getting all over them also.
wow- jacob are you serious? nail them to the wall dude!
little punks- i thinkg they are little mobster drugg puppets! i think they are hired to deal and persuade activity ect,,, for sure
boy i can onlt hop that she is still alove evben if she got wrapped up inall of this crap
Don’t worry Marie, I have new evidence I just ascertained within the past 15 minutes.
Also, women in Boston are now saying they saw Natalee in the womens bathroom at the CnC Restaurant crime joint, and that Natalee was acting as if she was sick in the bathroom or that she was acting somewhat strange.
I cannot wait until we get the results back from the FBI forensics team from the inside of that Honda car, I am on pins and needles waiting for these results.
I do not think Joran will be sleeping too well tonight in jail… he knows the FBI, international media, and a person by the name of Jacob are all onto him and his anti-social and criminal behavior.
Again, the girl left C&C on her own, while 20 other classmates were there with her. If she knew better she would have never left with strangers, having 20 classmates there that asked her if she wanted to leave with them, she said no.
People said that they have seen her near a gas station, those are just speculations.
I just hope she’s safe.
If she knew better, she would have never gone to that dump CnC Restaurant to begin with. That place has been breeding crime for years now, and we know that is a FACT, I did source that last night, in part 3 of this internet site discussion.
If she was drugged or served alcohol too strong, she may have exited the restaurant with those 3 punks by herself, but she was not in the full mental capacity to know what her actions were, and there seems to be more weight given to that possibility now knowing how Aruba is such a large drug-smuggling nation and how CnC serves their drinks so strong and how she was acting sick or in distress in the womens bathroom, as verified by a pair of women in Boston who just came back from a vacation in Aruba.
Things are not looking good for this Joran character, innocent people do not put towels over their head – unless they are stepping out of the shower.
Ms. Jones just played the race card…I have been waiting for that…she says the police was very rough on her when she wanted to find out about her son at the police station.
O’Reilly was very very nice to Arbua tonight…he reported that Fox has information that six “chaperones” left the island before the kids in a private jet…interesting.
Jacob,
Are you Bill O’Reilly? Your writing style and dogmatic attacks definately have his voice. And you are posting during the commercial breaks of his show.
Tom
I feel bad for Natalee but she shouldn’t have been drinking nor have left with those three
boys.
I’m sick of hearing how smart she is.She may be smart but she was dumb to have left
with people she didn’t know.
All over the news they all how smart Natalee is.Who cares!If she wasn’t the all american kind of girl we wouldn’t be hearing much about the case.
Satish Kalpoe, born July 30, 1986
Deepak Kalpoe, born Oct. 6, 1983
Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot, born Aug. 6, 1987
Those are the 3 subhuman punks responsible, I do not know what more I can in this investigation, I have given you the 3 punks responsible.
I fear that if this Carlos N Charlie’s crime ring restaurant is not shut down, that we will be hearing of more abductions and assaults in the coming years, CnC is the breeding ground for all the parasites in Aruba that enjoy preying on young women and serving them alcohol that is far too strong.
Why would a Judge’s son- probably wealthy/good looking go through so much trouble for sex? He probably had no problem picking up chicks. Why take two buddies along though?
RE: Drowning, the hotel side of island is very calm. Furthermore, if leaving the next day, don’t you think Natalee was packed and ready to go. We were there and were just ready to go home. People usually partied out and just want to get home.
Could any of suspects have ties to someone higher up? Who wanted a caucasian female in repayment for a debt or political blackmail?? (Judge) If so, the female would be wanted alive. No logical reason for intentionally killing girl.
Believe she is alive. Pray. Don’t trust the news. May be time for professional interrogators to be requested to politely question suspects and or polygraphs.
“You don’t need to know…”: I have a very high I.Q. I can’t, however, say I never did anything stupid and the level of the stupidity I was able to display at 18 was pretty amazing. There is no question that parents, chaperones, kids, friends, whatever – literally everyone involved in this thing -broke a lot of rules and showed a lot less sense than should have been common. And to some extent, it is comforting to say, “well, she was stupid, she brought it on herself”, but nobody intends bad things to happen and, regrettably, most people don’t plan on or in case bad things happen.
I am totally distraught over this whole thing. I feel for the parents. I blame the parents. I feel for Natalee. I blame Natalee. That kind of ambivalent reaction is to be expected. But I also perceive that MAYBE some good might come out of this. Maybe some parents, who think that it’s okay to uncork their 18 year old’s hormones and send him/her off to a tropical resort with a low drinking age and no dress code will reconsider. AND, maybe some kid who thinks that it can’t happen to him or her or here will rethink that proposition. AND maybe some chaperone who thinks that herding 124 kids is a party gig will take things a little more seriously. AND maybe some kids who might have ignored their friend getting culled from the herd will speak up and pull her back.
Yeah, part of me just wants to b***h slap everyone involved, but that isn’t going to help, so I’m going to concentrate on hoping that, against all odds, she is okay, and I’m going to hope that there might be a silver lining to the cloud if it avoids similar problems in the future.
I am an American, also from New England and living in Aruba for 10 years. I, am very troubled for many, many years about this case. That guy who wrote from Curacao, Carlito, I believe his theroy could be somewhat accurate.
Some of this crap that is here so so far of base. Kourtnie, the real or the fake Quart Knee, please stick to the subject, enough about you. No one cares, really. We are care about Natalee and where she is and hoping she is safe. PLEASE save your crap for some other website and I like how you your so quickly turned from writing such evil things about the two dark skinned security guards, now, one day later, swearing and talking shit about Dutch people and the dutch kid in custody. You, really should get a hobby or go to work or to bed or something and let others discuss the matter at hand.
I think Kourtnie (the real one naturally) and Jacob should hook up. Sounds like a lot in common.
Lucas, I think you and this Joran Van Sloot character should hook up, since you both think it is not a big thing to go around preying on young women.
What is wrong Lucas, why are you so upset ??? Is it because suddenly the spotlight is shining on your little dirtholes where you pick up young drunk girls and then violate them ? You Arubans defending the suspects sicken me Lucas, you should be ashamed of yourself, Joran is certainly ashamed of himself – that is why he put a towel over his head this morning, perhaps you should put a towel over your keyboard.
Marie… some of us are chatting over here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/
It is amazing how many people still adopt the “beaten wife” syndrome of blaming the victim. The bar, her friends and even the Aruban authorities are more to blame.
I am only somewhat bright…and never did anything that put me the danger like Natalee did in this one instance alone…so let’s get off the “we all did it” mentality. I know many people who would never have done what Natalee did…in this one night.
This is not to blame Natalee…I feel no need to place any blame except on those who did anything to her. But everyone should be aware that losing control (via drugs or alcohol) and getting in a car with someone you do not know – is equal to playing Russian roulette with a load gun…
I would not consider this fun…
So was it confirmed that there were sightings of her at a gas station??
Jacob, again, wrong on all accounts. Thanks for a good laugh though. I am not ashamed of anything. Oh yes I am, just you and your words and being a fellow American like I am. Sad. ayo
To: Another Father
Amen, I totally agree with you and thank God there is one other sane parent out there…please continue to spread the wisdom.
The tone is much nicer. Thanks guys and girls.
Regarding them letting the three guys go because they had no probable cause at first. Huh? Three guys state they took Natalee there to have sex with her and then dropped her off at the hotel. Who would believe this girl would go for sex with three strangers to risk pregnancy, disease, etc. then there is the issue of the hotel surveillance indicating they were lieing about dropping her off. That would be enough probable cause for me.
Larry brings up an excellent point concerning the puzzle as to why she wasn’t drunk when she left but drunk when they supposedly brought her back. Again, it sounds like she was drugged.
The good news is I am predicting one of these guys is going to start singing and the whereabouts of Natalee will be exposed by the end of this week. Believe me, the FBI have pros that specialize in getting someone to sing. My guess is judge boy is the leader and the most culpible. One of his puppy dogs will turn on him within the next 48 hours and the story will start coming out.
For some reason, i always think some boat was involved in particular missing person case. I was curious about if they had any kind of surveillance such as cameras and such were overlooking the the bay areas. To my surprise, they have a Coastal Surveillance Team. I was thinking along the lines of any boat accessability to the individuals even if they had friends that used them. The following might be of some help of how their “government” operates and might explain of why they didn’t want extra help from the US; well, for atleast some time in between.
http://www.cyberdistrict.net/eddy/1771.htm
http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am08mar05.pdf#search='rudy%20croes‘
First and foremost, I want to express how truly sorry I am for the Holloway family. I can’t even imagine the grief that they are going through. I will continue to pray that you find your daughter alive and bring her back home!
I visited Aruba last year for the first time and I really liked it. It was such a beautiful tranquil place. I’m afraid that this situation has altered my perception of paradise.
When I first heard that Natelee was missing and that the last place she was seen was at C&C I got a lump in my throat. What I remember the most about C&C was the numerous times I was approached to buy drugs both inside and outside of the club, how extremely STRONG the drinks were, how creepy the men were and how eerie the street was. I specifically remember people lined up on the sidewalk oustide cat calling as I walked by. Needless to say, if I ever visit Aruba again…I would NEVER go back there!
What I don’t understand is how Natalee’s friends would allow her to go off with 3 strangers! Why on earth didn’t her friends stop her!!
I read an article today about Amy Bradley who vanished while on a cruise to the Caribbean…some of the articles which talk about sightings of her in the past 7 years lead you to believe that she may have been kidnapped and used for prostitution in Venezuela or Curacao. They were told by locals and investigators that boats come in and out freely from these islands.
Makes you wonder?? Is there a possibility that she is being help captive on another island. Are they even searching elsewhere?
i’m sorry that natalee is missing and i’m sorry it’s hitting the island so hard. There will be only loosers in this case. Despite of the corruption here ,i don’t believe in a cover-up. They probably let the 3 guys go on purpose. Make them feel kind of safe and then tap their phones and watch there every step. If they are involved they will crack very soon now.
Ps. gasstation story is not true, was on the news tonight
Ladies out there, please stay away from these clubs for your own safety. You are not going to find a “great” guy at these types of places, in the USA or other countries. A fun night out with the girls can so quickly turn into the worst nightmare of your life, if you live through it.
Parents: wake up and quit being stupid. Don’t send your kids off alone to party for a week. Get a spine and just say no to your 4.0 honor student. When they ask you why, you tell them you’d like to be there for their college graduation. Stick with with a nice pool party and bbq at home. I am sure that is what Natalee’s mom is wishing right now. My heart goes out to her.
SADMOM,
I agree with you 150%!
Bob
Interesting read (beyond the animousity of those who can’t help themselves). I just returned from Aruba. While on the island, it seemed to be all anyone talked about. At a local restaurant, a waiter took the time to reveal a bit of insight about the typical atmosphere and activities on C&C’s premises. The place is commonly known for heavy partying, sale of drugs, and ecstasy. The location is world renowned. However, it is clearly a trouble spot. If Natalee was drinking heavily, it is likely her drinks were being spiked with drugs. Yes, she’s at that young age where if most of us recall – felt invincible – and out to sow her oats. The chaperones were most likely out too busy having their own fun on the island. After all, 18-year olds should be of age to be “street-smart” and more responsible – as most do perceive.
My thought is, Natalee could be held hostage or prisoner in a vacation home – or even in a hotel room. Reason being, we forgot to remove the “Do Not Disturb” sign on the door one day and no one ever disturbed the room and probably never even bothered to knock.
The other thought is, if there is in fact foul play in her disappearance, have they combed the rough water beaches yet? Or the caves? Or the tunnel of love?
Again, there’s always the possibility she elected to run away in attempt to stay on the island. After all, it is very much portrayed as paradise.
Regardless of the outcome, I pray she or her body is found. It would provide peace and closure to many involved.
Insight,
Believe me that everybody in Aruba wants to see this case SOLVED.
The searches never sopped, and as far as I’m concerned, we have looked everywhere….
As for C&C, it is no different than any bar anywhere… It can be as “clean” or “dirty” as you want it to be…..
Drugs, they are everywhere unfortunately……But, there has to be a demand in order for there to be a supply……it usually works in this order and not the other way around.
I still hope we can find this girl alive……..
Hope you had a great vacation on the island
Guys, I am back.
Red/Tom,
Please stop erasing my posts!
Jeff W.
Well, the latest from the rumor mill is that (according to Mickey John’s attorney) the two security guards are likely to be released at the end of their current 8 day detention, since there is reportedly NO forensic linkage between them and Ms. Holloway, and their alibis are checking out. She is also predicting that the other 3 suspects are going to be charged (as opposed to merely detained) with multiple murder counts, including, interestingly, a “2nd degree murder count” (i.e., a charge that they’d make if their theory was that she accidentally died from a “date rape mickey/roofie” OD). Consider the source.
Rumor is that the FBI is reportedly pushing hard to nail Mr. Van der Sloot and his two friends based, in part, on the fact that the security cameras are completely contradicting their story. Word is (again, all based on rumor and innuendo and hearsay and conjecture, so take it all with a grain of salt) that their stories are also seriously eroding under questioning. The FBI is also reportedly livid that they were basically given 10 days to dispose of evidence. Nonetheless, they are reportedly incriminating themselves pretty rapidly. The Aruban police are also quite wedded to the homicide notion, tho’ on what basis, besides “Occam’s Razor”, I have no idea.
Meanwhile, one of Ms. Holloway’s schoolmates claims Ms. Holloway had known Mr. Van der Sloot most of the trip, another that she’d known him a couple of days, another that she might have “only just met him” and was just getting what she thought was a ride back to the hotel from “C&C” – in contrast to Mr. Van der Sloot’s reported representation that they were taking her to a beach and light house some distance in the opposite direction. Her friends are equally contradictory on the issue of whether or not she’d have willingly gotten into a car with 3 “strangers”, tho’ one of them claims she waved at her group when she was leaving in the car.
Altho’ it seems to be an article of faith on this board, NOBODY is confirming the supposed representation by one or all of these guys that they and Ms. Holloway had consensual sex that night. Can ANYONE give me the source of that info?
So, to “ArubaninUS”, I feel sorry, if your friend is innocent, but it is beginning to sound like he has become the #1 suspect in what the local authorities are convinced is a homicide. I also haven’t been able to find the reference to the Boston woman/women, who supposedly saw Ms. Holloway acting sick or dazed in the bathroom at “C&C”.
And that’s where we stand. Who knows what the truth of any of this is and, even if true, it raises a dozen differnt scenaros.
Maybe the morning will bring some answers. Have a good night, folks.
i hope that natalee is found safe . I think that the 2 gaurds had some reason to be held as the investigators watched the next moves of the first 3-now in custody.
I hope that natalee is like the recent US runaway bride….taking off without full realization of the ramifications or consequences….I just hope she is still alive.
ANYBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN WILL TAKE ALL THE ABOVE SPECULATION LIKE A GRAIN OF SALT – EVEN MINE BELOW
STICK TO THE FACTS
NATALIE IS A TYPICAL 18 YEAR JUST LIKE YOU OR I WAS/IS
SHE WAS NAIVE AND VERY PRETTY – BEAUTIFUL IN MY OPINION
SHE HAD TOO MUCH TO DRINK – IT HAPPENS – SHE’S UNDER AGE
MAYBE HER DRINKS WERE SPIKED OR SHE TRIED SOME DRUGS, ON PURPOSE OR NOT
CARLOS AND CHARLIES IS A DUMP WITH DRUGS ALL OVER
EITHER WAY, SHE WAS NOT IN CONTROL
THE MEN/BOYS IN THIS CASE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER
SEX WAS THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION FOR THEM – PLEASE, WHAT ELSE?
SOMETHING WENT WRONG – SHE PROBABLY RESISTED THEIR ADVANCES – OR MAYBE SHE GOT REALLY SICK – MAYBE THEY FORCED SOMETHING AGAINST HER WILL – MAYBE IT WAS CONSENSUAL – EITHER WAY, THEY ARE GUILTY OF NOT TAKING CARE OF HER
THEY DID NOT TAKE HER BACK TO HER ROOM – THIS IS WHERE THEY MADE THEIR MISTAKE – NOBODY TOOK CARE OF HER
UNTIL THE 5 BOYS/MEN COME CLEAN WITH THE TRUTH, WE WILL NEVER KNOW
SHE IS EITHER KIDNAPPED, OR WAS MURDERED – THIS GIRL DID NOT RUN AWAY OR ACCIDENTALLY DIE – PLEASE, BE REAL
A TYPICAL ENDING TO THIS THIS STORY IS THAT:
1) THEY RAPED AND MURDERED HER, EITHER INTENTIONALLY OR BY ACCIDENT
OR
2) THEY LEFT HER DRUNK ON THE STREET/BEACH AND SOMEONE ELSE RAPED MURDERED OR KIDNAPPED HER
THEY ARE GUILTY OF NOT TAKING CARE OF HER – IF IT WAS ME WHO LEFT HER, I WOULD FEEL GUILTY – THESE GUYS HAVE NO HEART – SCUMBAGS
AND CHECK OUT ALL THEIR BACKGROUNDS – AND THE DUTCH GUY’S PERSONAL WEBSITE – “BROKEN HEART LOVER BOY” CRAP…GEEZ…OH, THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO BE FRIENDS WITH HER?
PLEASE – SEX AND SEX ONLY – THEY KNEW SHE WAS LEAVING BACK HOME – NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN – JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CUTE TOURIST GIRL THEY TRY TO HIT ON – EVERY DAY
GOD BLESS HER AND IF I WERE HER PARENTS THERE WOULD BE HELL TO PAY IN ARUBA – ON ALL OF THEM
THAT ISLAND WILL NEVER RECOVER THEIR ECONOMIC LOSSES FROM THIS INCIDENT NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME PASSES
TOO CLOSE TO SOUTH AMERICA – PEOPLE DOWN THERE DO NOT PLACE THE SAME VALUES ON HUMAN LIFE AS WE DO
ON A TOTALLY SEPARATE AND NON-RELATED OPINION –
WITH ALL THE PORN ON THE INTERNET, SHOWING THESE BEAUTIFUL YOUNG 18 YEAR OLD BLOND CAUCASIAN AMERICAN GIRLS PERFORMING EXPLICIT AND GRAPHIC SEX FOR ALL TO SEE WITH A ONE CLICK OF A GOOGLE SEARCH, WHAT KIND OF REACTION WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM YOUNG BOYS/MEN?
FRIENDSHIP? DATING? MARRIAGE? VALUES? MORALS?
PLEASE…
PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS FILTH AND FIGURE THAT SINCE ALL THESE GIRLS ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO PERFORM THESE CRUDE SEXUAL ACTS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE, THEN MAYBE IT IS THE NORM FOR ALL
AND CARLOS AND CHARLIES EXPLOITS THESE YOUNG WOMEN, LIKE MANY OTHER BARS
AMERICANS ARE SO NAIVE IT IS INCREDIBLE
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Hello all,
I just came a few days ago back from Aruba after 3 weeks of vacation. And yes, i was also confronted with the missing of Natalee. I am reading lots of theory what probably could had happen with Natalee. We have to wait and see what the 3 guys have to say about this all. I also have to say that Aruba is a very safe island if I have to compare it with Curacao. I am half Aruban and I live now for almost 20 years in Holland. Believe me when I say that the authorities and the tourist industry really do everything for the American Tourists, if I have to compare it with the Dutch Tourist. Of course because there are lots of Americans going to Aruba on vacation. But i can tell you there are lots of security guards Down Town, Beach Area, to keep an eye on the Tourist. So please for those who never had been to Aruba, please keep your opinion about Aruba for yourself.
I really do hope that Natalee is alive and nothing is wrong with her. Don’t get me wrong but I think if you go out with your friends, you stick with them, which means you go home with them again. If you are a little bit a smart girl, and you met a few days ago a nice looking guy, you never go with him. Because you can’t trust nobody these days, so that’s the big mistake Natalee made. If she was drunk or not, if they put drugs in her drink or not.
And if I was Natalee’s friend I would never let her go with someone, even when she would tell me that she met her a few days ago. So, that’s also a little bit stupid of the group she went out with.
Anyway, I hope that, and I really do, that she will be found a.s.a.p. But we have to stay realistic, that the chance that she’s alive is getting each less.
Judge’s son. Why was Judge’s son “protected for 10 days”?
Son’s car very nice- doubt he would have taken it off road- a lot of island needs truck or 4X4.
Could son have went to dad (Judge) for help? Judge could have called in a favor to protect his son- i.e. my son is in trouble- if you help my son- I will go easy on sentencing in a completely unrelated case- also protect Judge’s family reputation. Just a theory.
Hi TOM. I just want to say thank you for your kindly worlds.
you are right ,family and friends of natalee have been reading this forun,I am one of then
Ms Renfro from the Aruba newspaper siad on O’Reilly that a Boston couple had seen Natalee at C&C – sick in the ladies room with her friends.
How they got her on her feet and then let her leave with strangers “if she was sick” is way beyond my comprehension…
I watch most of O’Reilly and the drug issue was not something I heard…in fact O’Reilly had very kind comments about “this is not Aruda’s fault” –
Angelique- I have to thouroughly agrere with you- i feel bad for her poor friends for knowing they didnt excercise good judgement, sad SAD way to learn a lesson and 9 out of ten times nothing would have happeded,Lets just PRAY this all works out- for everyones sake! hopefully carlos and charlies will install some out door video security cameras for after last call now….
not to be misunderstood- but you always throw up before an extasy trip, it is just what happens then everything is “beautiful) I bartended clubs YEARS I ahve seen it all!
I dont man to be talking bad of anyone and their choices- it is just a theory and also a good theory of how anyone would feel INVINSIBLE- to go off with men or not to care if your friend did… everything is GREAT and BEAUTIFUL…
i dont mean to be insulting – i KNOW that she is a good girl, i just think that they probably all did “ex” and now that this happened some of her friends dont want their parents finding out and this is where all the confusion is coming from- heck probably the guys got it for them… anyway it leaves you TOTALLY unihibiterd… I PLEASE dont want to insult poor natalee and her friends but nice girls do bad thijngs sometimes- we are not perfect i was one of them in college… just a theory…
The news folks are picking up the pace on this story…I get a sense they did not want to push the story with the security guards…but the “boys” and the apparent misdirection by the police in Aruba is making it more interesting.
Joe Scarbourgh was railing on the arrest of the security guards and was given some very lame answer by a newspaper correspondent from the island. The answer was that under Danish law we need reasonable cause. JS – How did their arrest the guards then? Answer – under Danish law we need reasonable cause. JS never got an answer about the guards.
I would be very impressed if the “giving the boys sack” approach is true…but why would they not say this? It would be very easy to ease to say “We did not immediately arrest the “boys” because we wanted to keep them under surveillance,
am i blocked or the only one here or somehting???
When I was a teen, I can remember my parents telling me to only drink out of soda cans that “I” personally opened. Not to leave the can anywhere out of my sight and if I did, don’t drink from it. That was 35 years ago….
How we’ve changed since then. It may be unfortunate, but teens need to be more careful than we were back in our day. When you look at these teen trips to out of the country destinations, they mostly have “disaster waiting to happen” all over them.
I hope that Natalee is found soon. I hope that every person in the world learns something from this situation. I hope they remember what they learn, when it’s needed.
And to our children and young adults, “NO.. you are NOT invincible and it CAN happen to YOU”.
I see your notes Marie!
I remember when i fist started working at a night club in FLorida- I walked in and these girls were (4 of them in a bathroom stall- ) they had barfed and then …
were trying to retreive the extasy pill out of the toilet… something in the drug makes you purge then get high it was TRAUMATISING for me i couldnrt believ someone would actually do that- but it is quite common- this drug makes you feel HAPPIER than 100000 times you have ever been- and you feel exotic, and also sexual…is there anyway they could test the “friends” or is that an invasion of their civil rights? I thinnk they are hiding soomething big like this to avoil trouble but … it is making things worse,,, i feel so sorry for them having to carry the burden of all of this….so sad
thanks for the chat invite last note jane- but hit the sack early!
Marie. yes I think u r rigth. I just finish high schoo. I am one of those naive girl in Aruba
It’s is amazing that there are not more stories like this one…given the “wild” life style these teens lead…I have a good friend that is a nurse at a local university and she says the STD’s are on the rises at her school…
The news does not like to discuss these stories…it ruins everyone’s fun.
Let’s review the facts, as we know them. There are a number of glaring inconsistencies in the reported stories of the 3 young men. (1) Natalee’s friends claim that she was not drunk when she left the bar. But, by their own admission, the 3 claim that she was falling down drunk by the time they “returned” her to her hotel. If she was not drinking in the meantime, then she must have been drugged just before leaving, and the 3 knew that the drugs would soon be kicking in. (2) Her friends claim that she was getting a ride home, but the 3 claim that they took her to a remote beach and lighthouse, where one of them “became romantically involved” with her. (3) No one needs to bring two friends along, for a “romantic” encounter. (4) The surveillance cameras do not record Natalee entering her hotel. But the 3 claim that a “black man” escorted her inside. Did they claim to actually see him escorting her inside? (5) If, as they claim they knew this “black man” then that might explain why they felt comfortable leaving Natalee in his care. But one of the two black men identified has an alibi. And, if they didn’t know him, then why would they not escort her inside, themselves?
There was ample evidence, from the very beginning, that there were glaring inconsistencies in these young men’s stories. So, why were they released so quickly?
Did the 3 take a polygraph, when originally questioned? Or did the young Dutchman immediately call for legal help? Were they cooperative and forthcoming?
By now, they have had almost a week to coordinate their stories and to destroy evidence. The whole handling of this case stinks of political pressure from an influential judge, on behalf of his son.
we all make mistakes timmie- please be careful and look out for your self and your friends… i was one of them to… i wouild never tell anyone but , sometimes you get tired of being good- this doesnt by ANYMEANS condone what those boys did- but it takes the mystery out of the lack of judgement… no worries timmie- be true to yourself!we are all only human…
Marie I am a classmate of natalee ,I know her but sometimes when u r in holidays( I used to go cancun every summer) crazy things happens,and I ask myself why?
Larry…to repeat…Ms. Renfro (of the newspaper in Aruba) said on Fox that “a couple from Boston saw Natalee “sick/drunk” with her friends in the ladies room.
Maybe her friends are lying to protect the “St. Natalee” image they all speak of in the news…can you help us on this Timmie?
SHE WAS NOT DRUNK. We drank a couple of pina colasa and that’ it
I letf early cause we hve to go to the aipor nex morning,but natalle was no drunk
Carlos & Charlie’s…and why Natalee went there.
Most every tourist destinantion and college town have one if not several “hot spots” like what folks are describing this place as.
Facts:
Young and “old” like to seek out adventure from time to time. The unknown and “edgy” stuff is part of the draw.
You can close ‘em down….but people will just find another way to seek out this kind of experience.
It’s part of human nature, not that everyone seeks to fulfill this curiosity.
It’s a part of alot of tourist destinations. Establishments like Carlos & Charlies are a major draw for some age groups with tourist dollars to spend. Example: Sammy Hagar’s Cabo Wabo in Mexico…heck, it is a destination for some folks.
They exsist to keep people coming back…male & female.
I’m not endorsing any particular life style or morals. The fact remains..every party town / hot vacation spot will always have clubs where about anything goes after sundown.
Well said Larry
So Timmie…are you telling us that Natalee did not drink in Mt Brook?
She did not have boy friends?
She was a world traveler…yet so naive?
Some straight forward talk from anyone in this case would help us all understand the situation.
timmie – are you from aruba? I know you are a friend, but your text – I guess because of spelling and grammar – doesn’t ring as American to me.
phil are you perfect? shit up unless you have never made a mistake in your life an dhave a little compassion. people make mistakes OK? Im only suggesting t hat maybe they experimented w/ extasy, was told it was no big deal, ect… jeez these poor kids- i was an honor student and i tried drugs…. i was just lucky not to have been in a place wherre slime balls pray on these kids… dude her FRINEDS are in this chat room heave alittle respect- please!
Timmie,
Slow down your typing your english is suffering. Don’t be nervous
A couple of drinks in one hour would qualify as drunk for driving purposes…especially if they were strong…
we all drink but no to the point to get wasted.like I said she was not drunk ,Naive maybe,
phil you are a total ass- leave her alone! Maybe they made a mistake and need to pay for it the rest of their lives… for gods sakes, leave them alone- this is NOT why people are here-
timmie – I feel so bad for you and all of Natalee’s friends. I pray for you guys as well. Keep hope.
timmie do you think that somethign may have been slipped into drinks or experimented with?
Marie.,,I make penlty of mistakes but have never touch a drug or smoked anything…no need to go down that road…I would never suggest this makes me perfect or even very good…we are all human.
Please do not think I want to moral change the world…but I do believe this behavior hurts teens and contributes to a lack of kindness in the world today…
The very notion that there was some strategic reason for releasing the 3 men is ludicrous. First, there was ample evidence upon which to hold them. As I have enumerated above, there were glaring inconsistencies in their stories, as originally reported. Second, they charged two black men with felonies, based solely upon the testimony of 3 men who had every reason to lie and who, themselves, should have been the chief suspects. Third, the prosecution’s case could NEVER be made stronger by releasing them and letting them destroy evidence and coordinate stories for a whole week. If they wanted to get one of them to crack, then it would have been much easier to have done so if they had kept them in custody and if they had cut off all communication between them. And what about polygraphic testing? It’s almost routine, in the U. S., whenever a family member is reported missing. And, even if it’s not admissable in court, it can still be used to “break through” a wall of lies.
marie ,I don’t know
Marie.,,I make penlty of mistakes but have never touch a drug or smoked anything…no need to go down that road…I would never suggest this makes me perfect or even very good…we are all human.
Please do not think I want to moral change the world…but I do believe this behavior hurts teens and contributes to a lack of kindness in the world today…
Larry…I am with you…I think there is alot of explaining to do here…Arbua is playing with a difficult situation and they need to come clean…
Timmie are you in school?
i dont think that i am that far off here guys, im sorry timmie! it could ahve happened to anyone and i am soooo sorry that you all have to be goint through this!
i ahve made mistakes- secrets i will take to my grave and that doesnt make me a bad person, i am just lucky – dont feel alone out there hun- hopefully this will all be over soon and we will find your friend, ok?
Gully, nope
Marie, thank you
Oh yeah I forgot you just graduated. Are they offering counceling to you and fellow students?
I’m curious…and I admit, I’m not as up to date on the early findings of the case…but can someone tell me…
Was this a school sanctioned trip? How many of her classmates were on this trip? Was there any chaperons?
timmie – do you or your friends have theories on what they think happened? You all were there and know more than all of us speculators…
I’m not sure, 124 students I believe and yes there were chaperons.
Yeah have you guys all talked about that night Natalee disapeared? What are your fellow students saying?
There is a BIG story here, just waiting to be uncovered. It is the story of political pressure, corruption, and police bungling on a scale which would never be tolerated in the United States. If what I suspect is true, the island of Aruba is going to get one huge black eye from this incident. But let me say that I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and that I will be the first to concede my error if, in fact, the Aruban police can demonstrate, in the next few days, that they are in control of this case and that the release of these 3 men was part of a bona fide strategy to uncover the truth.
All of my instincts say COVER-UP.
pa mon .yes we have theories but I think no one is real, we found out at the airport that Natalee was missing
Not knowing what happened is the hardest thing!
it is not the school or the chaperones fault, these kids are all going to school this fall they will all have independence … they are 18 and will be making their own choices- i now that we are all sickened but we cant start a witch hunt. i am SURE that the peoplem on this trip feel horrible! but you can have expected them to have locked all of them in their rooms… kids do what they want- nobody anticipates the nasty people preying on folks that just want to escape stress/ life whatever even for a bit…
timmie were you at CNC’s?
yes I was
Just a thought on why the authorities questioned and then released the three young men so quickly. Was this questioning not taking place during the time police commissioner Jan van der Straaten was quoted saying, “after four or five days you are afraid a crime has been committed.”
I wonder if it just hadn’t sunk in yet, and that’s why they weren’t detained at that point. Saying now that is was “tactical” just doesn’t jibe with the quote, but I’m certainly no investigative expert.
Wow! I’m sure you have been replaying that night over and over. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary there?
marie
Have any of the other young women that were with you talked about feeling wierd ther?
C&C is wild, I was there last year- i had two twenty foot tall margaritas and walked back to the hotel… in hindsite it was stupid but at he time “it was aruba” heck even ow strong the drinks were i would NEVER have walked back in cozumel or even at HOME in the states… aruba was in a bubble like that- but htings haev been changing through the years, as much as I love the people and then island someone HAS to take accountablity for the Turnign the other cheek on this crime rate on the rise and drug abuse etc… YES it is sad but the denial is what has led us to this very place!!!
timmie:
Please tell us about Natalee. What were her hobbies? Pets?
Sorry Gully but I don’t want to talk about it anymore,whatever I go people just ask me same all over again
Timmie:
Please tell us about Natalee. Hobbies? Pets?
Sorry for the duplicate post….that was weird!!!
unrelated -but how long did scott peterson walk around under surveiliance and with strong police suspicion before his truck was impounded?
Sorry timmie. I didn’t mean to push.
Does anyone know anything new from this morning?
Gully, who are you? Just curouis…detective? aruban? US? concerned citizen?
is ok gully, I am so sad
Very good point, friend of mickey john!
Timmie
People are very curious about what happenned that night, mostly because they care, but also because they are curious. Please do not feel you have to answer every question. People in these instances will ask much more than you can answer, both physically and mentally.
But we appreciate you coming over here , and any input YOU want to make is more than welcome.
Tom
PS I am not knocking anyone here either, it is hard not to ask these questions.
For what it’s worth…I sense that certain people claiming to know Natalee….really don’t.
I do not mean to seem rude or insensitive…but…hmmmmm
From Carlos and Charlies to Arashi Beach?
From Arashi Beach to the California Light Tower?
From California Light Tower to the back of the Lighthouse/Dunes area?
And back to Holiday Inn?
Don’t worry about those guys having 10 days to get rid of the evidence. First, it would difficult for me to believe the FBI didn’t have them under surveillance. Secondly, you can get rid of gross evidence, but there is always a residual left behind. They will rip seat covers out of that car, vacuum it clean and sift through the collected material. They will get enough evidence to intimidate one of those guys and he will start singing like a birdie.
I still say it is a matter of hours or days before things begin coming together very quickly.
Also, just want to say that a few of you are a little testy still. I do understand this is an intense subject and that many of you were friends with Natalee. You have my prayers and empathy. However, lets try not to bite each other’s head off. It is a time to come together in support and not tear each other apart.
im sorry that this all happened to you guys timmie- it is a shame
please dont be so hard on yourself, ok?
I am from NH. I am very concerned. I guess like all of us praying for Natalee, her family and friends. I’m just starving for information! Does anybody know about the search going beyond Aruba?
marie .thanks for your words. I got go now. I just want to say that I miss natalee so bad, she quote in our year book this (If I leave here tomorow,would you still remmeber me?
IWOULD SAY TO HER YES NATY WE MISS YOU
We are researching right now for an update, but so far there is nothing that has not been posted previously. We will keep looking and reporting.
T
Yearbook? I thought that was part of her graduation speech.
okay then.
How many minutes does it take?
From Carlos and Charlies to Arashi Beach?
From Arashi Beach to the California Light Tower?
From California Light Tower to the back of the Lighthouse/Dunes area?
And back to Holiday Inn?
No. From previous articles it was her yearbook quote.
How many minutes does it take?
From Carlos and Charlies to Arashi Beach?
From Arashi Beach to the California Light Tower?
From California Light Tower to the back of the Lighthouse/Dunes area?
And back to Holiday Inn?
I have been to some of those places. I’m not sure where Arashi beach is? It seems to me that if one was to drive straight from CNC’s to the lighthouse and straight to the Holidy Inn it would take longer than 30 mins?
over the 1/2 hour they said it took companz- it takes 10-15 to get to the holiday in from down town- maybe 20-tot eh lighthouse maybe less… not enough time to “get romantic” i thing they were looking for some drugs and nobody wants to get in trouble..sorry getting too opinionated again thinking i am nancy drew-
Mark
I agree with you and others- this is a place to share thoughts, not collective thoughlesssness.
Tom
Thanxs for cleaning it up.
Compananzi:
I asked a native Aruban that the other day.
They stated it was 10 minutes from C n C’s to Arashi Beach (w/ no traffic), then 15 mins from Arashi Beach to Holiday Inn.
Can’t confirm if this is accurate.
Even more fishy, eh?? 5 minutes to ‘consensually engage in sex with three men? Sheesh
Yes Tom the attitude today seems much better!!!!
I would suspect that not everyone is as they represent themselves to be. One merely has to look at the “wording” of phrases to know that one is or isn’t from a given area/nation.
I think people should remind themselves that on an internet comment area, bulletin board, chat room.. .people can “be” whomever they choose to “be” and not all is always as it seems.
Take everything you read with a grain of salt and let your best instincts carry you the rest of the way.
Praying for Natalee and her family!!!
I agree, Jane Doe…I trust your ‘instincts’ were kicking in as well??
It seems that there is quite a bit of finger pointing ……………..The only people who deserve fingers pointed at them are the ones who took Natalee. It doesn’t matter if there were NO chaperones. Violating Natalee’s basic human rights isn’t her chaperone’s fault, her parent’s fault, her friends’ fault, or Carlos and Charlies fault. It’s the assailants fault……..period. In two months, Natalee would have been, or WILL be entering the University of Alabama on FULL scholarship. Have any of you actually been to college???? Do your remember your freshman year???? Rush parties??? Do you really think that 18 year old college freshman aren’t exposed to alcohol, drugs, and more? That doesn’t mean that they will TAKE drugs, but they certainly will be exposed to them. It doesn’t mean that they will PARTY every night, but they will certainly have to learn how to “tune out” the parties in their dorms and aparmtent complexes when trying to study. And……..I imagine, from time to time, they might even have a DRINK before the age of 21! Natalee, and the other kids, weren’t exposed to anything in Aruba that they won’t be exposed to in a few months at the various universities they are likely to attend. Taking advantage of ANY of them isn’t justified by ANYONE at ANY TIME.
“For what it’s worth…I sense that certain people claiming to know Natalee….really don’t. I do not mean to seem rude or insensitive…but…hmmmmm ”
Mom… I have to agree with you there, after reading the way some have worded their sentences. The way we construct our sentences can tell a lot about us. It’s one of those things that it’s difficult to hide.
Boy, I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that (I thought I might be chewed up & spit out for insinuating it)…It was soooooo obvious. That’s why I asked her about Natalee’s hobbies and pets…after that, she conveniently ‘bowed out’.
If I am wrong however, I apologize in advance.
That was the reason for some of my questions. I was just wondering. The truth is that I’m sure that some of Natalees friends are looking at this site. I want to say my heart felt concern goes out to all of you!!!!
The latest from CNN website (I apologize if this has been posted)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html
You are right, I’m sure Gully. I do feel for Natalee’s friends…I don’t appreciate, however…when people disguise themselves. It’s highly disrespectful.
Thanx for your post.
This case cannot drag on too much longer without raising serious questions of corruption, incompetence, and police bungling. At one point in time prosecutors even claimed to have “no leads.” Give me a break.
If this was a crime of opportunity, rather than a carefully laid plan, then there ought to be ample evidence of it.
I am amazed that with FBI involvement, and with top-level pressure from the Aruban government, that something hasn’t broken in 10 days.
10 day.
On a small island where everybody (or at least, the locals) knows everybody?
Wow! The cnn story was good. I hadn’t heard a lot of that onfo.
I agree Larry, it just doesn’t add up!
I think there will be lots of breaking news to come, as I feel strongly that the real culprits are in custody. One of them will ‘break’….guaranteed. I just hope their detectives have the skill to craftfully squeeze the truth out of them.
There are ‘tactics’ used to get suspects to talk (ie, playing one suspect against the other; mean cop, nice cop, and so on).
I also think we’ll know something VERY VERY soon. The officials must be feeling the pressure, to not try every resource they have.
I think we have to remember that we may not get all of the information we are seeking until after any type of trial. I am just hoping that Natalee will be found!!!
Also they haven’t charged anyone yet they are suspicious of them? SO if there may be more people involved they may not want to release too much information but, just enough.
Here’s what’s new:
Yesterday they were reviewing a security camara at a gas station on the island.
The worker there claims that it was Natalee. She also said that the girl was an American, she bought a bounch of calling cards and had a stack of cash on her from which she used to pay the cards. She claimed this girl was acting very nervous. She then walked outside and enterred a white car, where she claimes that an older woman was driving the car. She than claimed that this car sped off. She contacted the police and gave the information to them. The police came and cofiscated the tape from the camara and was viewed by Natalee’s brother who claimes that it’s not her, but can’t say this with certainty. The girl’s face isn’t clearly to be seen. One of the local newspaper printed a picture of her and posted a shot from the camara. What has people wondering if it is her is the way this girl was standing in the gas station and the way she stands when a picture was taken of her here on the island. Who knows, but everyone is now just looking for answers anywhere they can find them. that’s the newest developements in the case.
http://www.awemainta.com
Thanks GL! The picture is definately a blonde girl standing similar to her? Have they been able to track down the car?
Thanks for the update!!!
Thanks for the update Gabriel. It is in the post that just went up.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1096
Also, we will be moving the comments over to a new post to decrease the load time.
Here is the new site for comments
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1098
Thanks
Tom
Danki. Pasa un bon dia! Ajo.
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