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Ronald
You get the gold star tonight. Now to rescue my son from the spilled water glass in bed.
I could drink at 18 as well… is there really such ahuge difference between 18 and 21… maybe for some.. Im sure..
Nativelingo –
so nothing new? I got the impression that the press were trying to perhaps ignite the “abduction” theory from the little I heard walking in..
Is there a difference between 18 and 21? Yes, a MONUMENTAL difference. You’re talking about a high school kid vs. a college graduate.
First of all i have to say..tom you crack me up….!! and i whole heartedly agree!!!im off for a bit…my 17yr old is going out for the evening…so seeing him off….feeling extra blessed to have him around…and of course..extra cautioning..not just from the Holloway case..but a pal of his was involved in a fatal car crash..had my son not fallen asleep and been left behind..he wouldve been in the vehicle…and lord knows…with this age comes so many variables….so hard to totally insulate them..we do our best as they grow…but they like us all are only human… will be back later!!hope something happens…and some closure is offered for her family
Does anyone else still have this gut feeling that she’s still alive?..
I hacve been traveling ot aruba for 15 years now. . . I was drinking in the bars at 15
AMANDA!!!… shame on you!!…lol
I do think that she is still alive. . . But I can’t imagine where she might be hidden
It’;s such a small island….
Amanda—what was wrong with your parents?
I know but I also was safe about it. . . I have a realative who lives htere
any report on the blood allegedly found in the honda?
lol…. no chaparones??
Hi Red the goverment has set protocols that the family will have any information about the investigation before any media.
Did they even bother to hold a press conference to refute the rumors? What the hell is going on down there? Typical banana republic.
No chaparones. . . . There was nothng wrong with my parents. . . they taught me right from wrong. . like I said I was with a family member and I wasn’t random. . . It taught me to be responible
bengalbaby
I think not
Well thank God for that…. that’s the way it should be…
Sorry about the D-E-L-A-Y-E-D R-E-S-P-O-N-S-E.
I was daydreaming about the Mountain Brook moms…
Dreaming about anyone’s mom is a disturbing thought.
Ronald if you look some blogs back you can find that answer.
Geraldo on…
He says Justice Minister says there is no truth that a body has been found…only blood in the car and nothing else.
friend of mickey john. . . . I take it you live there( aruba)
fox
connection between natalee and diappearace 7 years ago / last seen with 3 men
?
Some days ago a poster said Jordan was invovled with traci disappearance
Does anyone else remember this post
Tom???
well if Geraldo said it… then it’s gospel truth…
Gaijin….nothing new……
except I heard it first HERE DAYS AGO
Amanda… Same here, but I was taught in Italy and drinking at a younger age.
To all Arubans still around. The few Americans acting like know-it-all jerks really are a minority, though I’m sure it doesn’t seem that way to you. I’m sorry.
Basically there are no facts available. If I were to ever bash the police, legal system, or whatever, I would wait until I had facts to do it with. I don’t think that is too much to ask. Nor do I think it a valid basis to criticise Aruba because it does things differently.
Sigh.
THEORY ON NATALEE’S DISAPPEARANCE:
After looking at Joran’s now-removed websites on Tickle.com and MSN.com, the picture I got from him was a hard-partying kid who liked misogynistic rap music (his favorite was “Candy Store” by 50 Cent. Look up the lyrics if youre interested, but it’s all about degrading a woman who performs oral sex on the singer)… who fancied himself a gangsta/playa as evidenced by the numerous photos he posted of himself with girls, flashing make-believe gang signs.
I then heard the report on FOX from a DIARIO reporter who said that Joran was known to have anger management problems, something which he heard from several sources.
This to me is a euphemism for him having had problems with fighting, assault – and that he was either receiving professional treatment or punishment.
I then read the confirmed report that Joran was in a near-fight/shoving match with some of Natalee’s classmates…
And putting that all together, it seems rather likely that the kid has a very short fuse, and that he is obsessed with looking like a womanizing, heterosexual player…
Knowing that they took Natalee in his car, Joran in the back with Natalee, and his two friends in the front seat- it would have been not just embarassing – but it would likely have INFURIATED Joran – if Natalee refused him.
Flash back to the photo of Joran on his website, where he has a belt wrapped around a shirtless kid’s neck, Joran grinning, while the other kid looked pained…
.. And a scenario of assault, choking, rape – seems like a pretty likely outcome.
And if he did choke her to death, and knew he’d been seen leaving C&C with her, he’d have to come up with an alibi.
And a good alibi which couldn’t be checked would be to blame one of the faceless black security guards at that weekends music festival – knowing they were already off the island and that they wore all-black uniforms, whereas the HI security did not.
I believe Joran confessed, as Police Commissioner Dompig said there was one confession – His mother was at the police station that evening, visibly upset, and he seems like the likely candidate given his alleged history and the fact that he had befriended Natalee the day before and was her ‘friend’ – sitting with her in the back of the car as well.
That’s my theory – I havent read any reports that would disprove it, though Im sure there is much more to the story…
I read a post somewhere … stating that natalee had gone missing on another vacation with her parents…anyone else read that one?
Geraldo’s on the case, oh boy. Has he found Al Capone’s vault yet?
LOL all capones vault…!
Totally off subject…what in the hell is up with geraldo’s mustache? Lol. He gets on my nerves but I will be watching him tonight at 10, can’t wait.
I have heard that the pictures and stuff were awful . . . . However you can not tell the character of a person by the music they listen to.
Yes Bengal, I heard it too …..stories are all over the island…..
even a tourist from, mind you, ALABAMA, told me the same thing…..don’t know if it’s true though,…..
I am not defending him by any means just defending those of us who do listen to that music
Wow… Im glad someone else finally has heard about that….I wonder if it’s true…
I’m just saying maybe this is just the first time Jordan gets caught…Maybe the other girls went missing and thier families were not rich enough to get FBI involved
You have to be nuts to send your teenage daughter overseas to a tropical waterng hole. Let’s face it: throwing a young girl into that environment is tantamount to chumming the waters at sea. Throw enough chum in the water, and the sharks will start circling.
These resort areas are crawling with sexual predators who see every teenage girl as having an invisible “F— Me” sign on her forehead. Why someone would want to subject his or her daughter to that environment is beyond me.
It’s the same with spring break. If you want your daughter to serve as a furry wall socket for teenage guys who want sex at all costs, go right ahead, but the motivation eludes me. When you send your daughter to a place like this, you’re asking for toruble.
No Red…but he did just call Aruban LE “naive”.
FOX…please call Geraldo back to the US. (for a Hoffa sighting or something)
First I heard it was in the Bahamas…..and then Costa Rica….. Go figure….
worth looking into though
Nativelingo (and others)-
dont know if you dropped out last last and went to the other post and heard me- but I apologize(d) for the emotional outburst last night. And if not, I apologize again.
I was “just” upset with the “anouncement”.
I would read too much into the pictures of Jaron…a lot of kids have photos of themselves with friends, girls, guys, just being foolish, and he even had photos up of him with his family…and even I own a 50 cent CD….
Friend of Mikey
I did a search on Jordon and I only came up with a reference to Eason Jordon by me… Did you give the right name. I am pretty fried tonight so I may not be connecting the dots very well.
T
Bengal babe i did hear that it was on a trip in costarica.
I did some asking over there but no one could confirm it…
thank you now does it mean you would ever do anything he says to a woman. . . . I don’t think so
Rick…………..that’s referred to as the “Some Other Dude” defense………..It usually doesn’t hold water very long.
Does anyone else recall reading a blog post or news report from another American woman (from Boston?) who reported spending time with Joran and he got aggresive with her? I’ve read so much on this case in the last few days I really can’t be certain where I read this. Maybe my once sharp mind is showing middle age!
Kerin TX
Are you kidding me. With all those beautiful white sandy beaches in Aruba. Rumor has it Geraldo will go to Baby Beach tomorrow and draw pictures in the sand.
Tom
Is it Joran? The guy with judge dad/tallguy/vander soot?
Thanxs for looking back
I know I saw it here
I heard it was Costa Rica as well. Who knows…
Red…LOL!!
FOX just said the blood samples have been sent to the US for analysis.
Nancy, wait and see how many girls “that knew” Joran will come out in the following days…..everybody wants a minute under the spotlight…..
native lingo-
not everyone!!!
I think the Boston womans story was about being raped in Aruba a few years ago… I think Joran would have been 12!!
Friend of mickey john do you live in Aruba?
Red………….Who are you kidding ? Geraldo’s headed to Carlos N Charlies…….it’s the only place he might find some “action”………….lol !
Ohhh John……. shame
John…That was funny!!!!
besides Geraldo probably has stock in CnC’s!!
……………..My Bad……………(Sorry)
Friend of Mickey, I think you are psychic. I was just wondering with what frequency something bad happens to young girls who do not enjoy so many resources.
The three most profitable businesses on earth are arms, drugs, and human beings, not necessarily in that order.
I wouldn’t read a lot into pictures Joran had on a website. You would be shocked to see the photos I have seen of “good kids” in this area posted to websites like myspace.com. (14 and 15 yr old kids drinking, nude photos of themselves, etc)
LOL
amanda-no I live near Boston
Love aruba and the people there though
Oh, I think Connie Chung provides Geraldo plenty of action!
Now this *is* scary… cocktail hour on a blog…..
(means he gets a discount on “roofies” )
ok. . . .
I’m crying I’ve been laughing so hard about Geraldo “getting some action” comment.
::Drops in shamefacedly::
I can’t stay away. I’ve accepted (I think!) that Aruba and people related to the island are going to get bashed.
But most posters are going to be reasonable.
So… you guys take me back?
About her disappearing before, , in the June 3rd transcript of the Nancy Grace show, the mom denied that has ever left and not come back.
Link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/03/ng.01.html
next on fox about traci disappearance
Native, I agree. Once a “player”, always a “player”….guess that’s true in any country!
I think its very odd Joran did not tell his parents he knew Natalee and spent time with her. Not logical if you’re innocent. Typically anyone (innocent) would be blown away by news that a person known to them was suddenly missing!
T
LOL…. He doens need anymore action…everytime we turn around he’s namrried to some other LOVE of his LIFE!!…
Nate…………….Not if Maury Povich has anything to say about it !
Welcome back Agirl. You were missed. But… no news, not even new rumors.
arubagirl…I’m glad to have you back…you’re my favorite dutch girl this week….of course, I don’t know too many dutch girls either…
It’s unfortunate that they are going to be bashed. . . . . It bothers me but there’s not much I can do to form the oppinion of others.
welcome back arubagirl
Guys – I didn’t say that because he called “Candy Store” one of his favorite songs, or the fact that his photos were all either posed with women, liquor or choking some kid – that he was guilty.
It does paint a picture of the kid – his mother said he was a gifted athlete, who competed in soccer, tennis, etc. There were zero photos of this kind of stuff on any of his websites.
And he certainly didnt post photos of himself winning a chess tournament or doing any of the activities you think folks would enjoy in Aruba.
I think the photos and music and ‘anger management’ stories, combined with the underage drinking, gambling, etc – paint a disturbing image of Joran. That’s my point, not that any one of those things makes him guilty…
But, given the above, and add to that the fact his mother was at the jail last night, visibly upset, the AP story of a ‘confession’ – which I think may be a confession via phone tap or hearsay, but not a ‘legal confession’ – thus the discrepancy in reporting and denial from his lawyer – that blood was found in his car, that at least one of the three reports ‘something bad happened’ – I think the likely outcome is that Joran is the guilty party – probably a spurned sexual advance causing rage/violence that went too far…
We shall see…….
Welcome back arubagirl. I am personally glad you are back!
It may not have been a Boston native, but I am almost certain there was a report from a young woman. Yikes!
Tahtnks for clearing that up arubagirl…about natalee disappearing before…
Arubagirl!!!!!!!!!!!
John, whoops! I got the two of them confused! My bad!
Van der sloot listed his occupation as “pimp” and included among his hobbies “fling/physical.”
Rick
I searched and found the lyrics to candy shop… my 15 year old knew exactly what I was talking about when reading to my hubby… this is disgusting!!!!!!!!!
So, does C & C’s have a chess table?
typical 17 year old cocky boy
What of the guards???? Now that blood has been found in the 3′s car that should be reason to free them. Or do they have to stay in jail until the blood forensics come back from the USA and Holland????
All these stories and retractions are amazing. I’ve never seen a case like this before. I don’t think there is any question that the 3 kids had something to do with it.
Perhaps the FBI can push Barney Fife and the other Aruba Investigators aside and get some things done.
Nothing de nada. We were sure that today we were going to get a resolution. It seems that the prosecution’s office and the police force are keeping their mouths shut tighter than Fort Knox.
I’m not sure if the AP is still saying that Gerald Dompig gave the info about ‘something bad’ happened, but he denied that he has ever done this. On the other hand, I doubt that the AP is so stupid to say his name while it isn’t true.
Rick…………Perhaps the “sport” that was referred to, re: Joran, was actually the “Broad Jump”………………….
Aruba girl you did’n miss much only a Bill Oreilly fan wait or was it him self…
probally just in case. . . .It’s ashame that they had to go through this if they are innocent
yeah the fox says she is named Amy and she was on a cruise when she disappeaed before the docked in Curacao
Rick
search joran van der sloot on google and you will get many sport hits
I would never send my daughte ron one of these trips. It’s on par with sending seals into a shark tank.
Tom
The post from days ago was re Tracy /Tracie and Joran was named inpost
I read some of the aruban papers and he was on local baseball and soccer teams thereIf Im remembering correctly
Arubagirl!! Welcome back!!
I was wondering if your local news is reporting anything? If the police and FBI are searching crime scenes, you’d think it’d be news, that people would be seeing and reporting this…
Anything??
Hey! I’m an O’Reilly fan! I think he’s hilarious!
Ahh, Stan. I know what you’re doing. You’re testing my resolve. You can say your worst, but I will not break.
I.Will.Not.Break.
I’m totally kidding, by the way.
don’t listen aruba girl… he’s knows not of what he speaks!!!!
John
I just told Red on the cell you line, he almost crashed the car ,
Then he asked “Is he doing investigative Reporting?
T
M Wood –
I’m talking about what Joran posted on HIS OWN website. What he chose to post, what image he wanted to project about himself – womanizer/drinker/gambler/playa, etc..
Ronald, this happens very rarely. I wouldn’t go as far as to say you can’t send your daughters on a trip anywhere.
Nope Rick, nothing. Radio station is having a flashback to 80s rock, for some reason.
Arubagirl
We thought you may be giving Geraldo updates when you left us. lol
WE LOVE YOU ARUBA GIRL!!!
lola-
I think that the govt does noy want to release gaurds as they will talk to press about their ordeal and make investigation look worse than it alreadt does. ??
Aww, love you too, Tom. Sadly, Geraldo has decided that Hoffa is prob. in Aruba and thus he will stay.
Lola I have also been wondering why Mickey and Abraham are still imprisoned.
It is not likely that either would be enthusiastic about sacrificing their freedom for the sake of a prominent family, or business interests. I don’t know if that was originally a hoped for scenario, just saying I would not think it likely.
On the other hand, if US operatives are “assisting” in the “interrogations,” I would imagine that all five would have confessed to killing both JFK and JonBenet by now.
Bizarre. Arubagirl…
I wonder if local media has been asked by the Aruba government to stop reporting?? Is that plausible?
will do a search Friend of
I agree. I don’t think they’d want to release those guards because it really looks bad. The investigation is already a joke, and releasing these 2 guards will mean they will talk to the press.
Arubagirl….have you ever been to maui?
I’m just listening in. But, heres a theory… she was kidnapped, like the girl on vacation w/parents in 1997. she pleaded for help to a us military person there and was taken away by some men before he fcould take her seriously and help her. I don’t think she’s on the island anymore. back to listening. Glad you’re back Aruba Girl.
Rick
I understand… I remember reading the same on his site, and took your suggestion to search the lyrics. Surprised and sick when my teen was familiar with the tune. In fact said that this tune is sometimes played on radio while HS football team is working out in weight room. SICK… Especially when they hear it at school
He he he
My master plan is working ., we got Rivera out of the states.
T
Well, friend, eventually they’re going to let the sec. guards go. The longer they hold them, the worse it looks for the prosecution. In my opinion, few to none people ever bought the security guard story. I say they should sue. They might not get a lot, but it’s something.
Okay…to Mark, Ronald and Bamamama, your sensible comments are falling onto deaf ears, trust me. Here’s a thought, if these “18 year old adults” were so responsible and ready to be adults and make adult decisions, why did they need chaperones in the first place. And if they were so “repsonsible” why didn’t they pay for the trip themselves. Isn’t that what being an “adult” is all about, taking on personal repsonsibility? They woudn’t need mommy and daddy’s money, they would have their own. Why I’m coming down so hard is that I’m really tired of this situation of NH being 18 and legal being compared to drinking at frat parties and drunk driving which happens to also be ILLEGAL!!! Oh we can get trashed on our local college campuses if we are underage so that excuses these children, yes I said children, to go overseas and make really bad decisions??? Don’t get me wrong, as I stated earlier this afternoon, I made some REALLY BAD decisions when I was younger and I’m dang lucky to be in one piece, let alone alive. I was the QUEEN of partiying….I went to school where there was not only a large state college, but and Army base to boot. (can we say party central) And I can tell you this, there were a lot of girls that “got in trouble” by messing with G.I.’s thinking they were little frat boys. These army guys were MEN and not to be toyed with. I look back and think how stupid I was. You have to be KIDDING yourselves to think an 18 year old, fresh out of high school can make the same rational decisions that someone in their mid to late twenties could. I don’t think I made rational decisions until I was 30!! As someone state earlier, the buck has to stop somewhere and some one needs to start taking personal responsibility. If these chaperones weren’t really chaperones, then why were they there? Was everyone on this trip 18 and over? If so, “adults” don’t need chaperones in my book since everyone wants the take the “I’m legal and 18 road”.
I don’t think any of these conspiracy theories will come true. In many of these cases, the most obvious thing is usually right. The most obvious thing is these 3 kids killed her and dumped her body somewhere.
Perhaps when they get some professionals to look at the case, we will finally get it solved.
Shelly…some theory………Aruba has the most brilliant kidnapper in the world…..
He waits 7 years to strike, and doesn’t claim any rewards…..just BRILLIANT
I understand holding them if there is evidence for up to 100 days
but would be false imprisonment if they are being held to keep them quiet until it is convenient for aruba officials.
arubagirl, I don’t think it matters how long they hold them now. The prosecution already looks like a joke to most of us. Letting them go too early may cause them bad publicity as they are most likely going to talk to reporters about their ordeal.
Tom………..that’s Really funny………..Tell Red to be careful………..lol !
Stan…were not bashing Aruba here please…
Friend I struck out .
Please remind me in the morning as I am totally fried.
Got to bed at 4:45 this morning and my 5 year old woke me at 6:15, and then have written probably 10,000 words today.
Excuses I know, but if you remind me, I will look into, or the brain will be working well enough to put 2 and 2 together.
Sorry
Rick’s theory about Joran losing it when rebuffed is certainly plausable.
I have seen some of these “anger management” type problems in kids using steroids to improve performance in sports. Since Joran was into sports, it makes me wonder.
Are steroids in common use by kids in highschool sports in Aruba? Anyone familiar with this issue?
No one even IMPLIED that these 18 year olds were mature enough to be int he situation they were in, but just that the same situations can occur here and that the US legal system deems them adults at 18. That’s it. 18 is of legal age in this country. You can make your own decisions even if you aren’t mature enough to do so. Therefore these “KIDS” could take this vacation with or without adults. And once again, has anyone seen the cancelled checks of all the parents that paid for this trip. No one knows if the parents paid or not.
I posted this in the Natalee Holloway thread from June 4th, but this thread seems to be a lot more active, so I’m reposting it here. My apologies if it’s considered spam.
Okay, so here’s my theory. I don’t think Natalee is dead. I think that she was sold into prostitution or slavery and taken to another country after being drugged up. I think the young men who were arrested were paid to lie about murdering Natalee (which later was corrected to ‘something bad happened’ to her, which shows just what a tangled web this is), and I don’t think they will lead anyone to her body.. they are just buying time for the real kidnappers. There will be no evidence against them, and Natalee’s kidnappers will already be far away with her in captivity before anyone goes looking elsewhere for her..
I wonder if I’m right.
I really hope that Natalee is found safe and sound. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and her family.
Tom, can you send him away from earth? Maybe Hoffa’s on a comet somewhere.
Could the three be bargaining for the location of Natalee’s body for being charged with involuntary manslaughter or the dutch version thereof?
bengal, not bashing Aruba, it’s a beautiful place. I think that the law enforcement does a good job of bashing themselves with their actions.
OK, J.C – Youre right.
No Eighteen year old should be permitted to leave the country and enter another country where the drinking age is 18. Should never be permitted to go anywhere any illicit drugs are sold, as there’s a chance an unsupervised 18 year old might want to experiment.
All fraternity parties should be outlawed immediately, and any prom where alcohol is surreptitiously consumed would result in the immediate jailings of the chaperones and High School administrators.
No female would be permitted to go on Spring Break, anywhere, because you know what will happen – she will inevitably drink too much and wind up on “Girls Gone Wild” – her life and career ruined with a single flash of a nipple.
Yawn.
Okay, here’s why I don’t think they’ve asked the local press to stop coverage.
1) There is actually one radio station doing the most coverage (Top 95.1)
2) This radio station has very close ties to the current governmetn
3) Elections is in a few months. Government does not want to piss off their main media ally
4)Top is already miffed that according to them, U.S. media is getting tips faster than they are from officials. This is what they said, I don’t know if it’s true.
5) Ergo, goverment officials just let them to do their thing.
6) If the prosecution’s office told them to stop talking or whatever, they would start crying “Freedom of the PRess” faster than you can say CNN.
Native might have another opinion on this, of course.
STan, honey, I am STRONG
Which professionals do you suggest, StanUS?
And remember that the definition of “conspiracy theory” is “differs from the Washington press release.”
Since Washington has not confided its official position on this matter with the public, there can be no conspiracy theory.
nope , I think John got it just right. A seat at the bar at C & C’s , and a camera. That is all it would take to get any spin you wanted on the story tomorrow.
Tom
don’t be sorry-go to bed…
It will come up again
Astrid– I think so too she could have been sold into slavery or prostitution
Amen, Rick!!!!
Professionals would be someone who has experience of expertise in investigating murders.
I think so too shelly
JC—-Agreed. Any suggestion that an 18-year-old is an “adult” is absurd. Why anyone ASSUMES that there is some relationship between the legal age of majority and maturity is beyond me. The age of majority was set many decades ago, when people lives accelerated lives. ASn 18-year-old is an adult in the legal sense only.
Rick
Being the mother of 2 teenage boys, the oldest is uprising Senior, I am all for the new 18 year old/spring break law proposed above!
So if you are allowed to make your own decisions at the age of 18, whether mature or not, where should the personal responsibility fall?? With NH???
Steroids, swear to GOD I know nothing of this. Not trying to cover up or anything, I just don’t know
What I would like to point out is that in normal highschools in Aruba (not Int. School of AUA), sports and athletes don’t play that big a deal in school hierarchy. It really doesn’t matter if you’re a good athlete or not. Most schools don’t have permanent teams, only when there is a tournament going.
I think if you asked girls at Colegio Arubano (my former high school) to be cheerleaders they would have just laughed.
Arubagirl….I’m with you…..I’m as Green as they come….
Maybe Rick would like chastity belts too?
Astrid… that theory sound like the revelation about Natalle on the revelation13 website.
http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames2c.html.
Arubagirl – Thanks for the info. Given what you wrote, it seems really, really weird that there’s no report of anything – not Joran’s family, Natalee’s family, searches on the island, etc.. You’d think SOMETHING would have happened..
I think that is the point we have all tried to make…mature or not 18 is legal age in this country. Legally these kids can go wherever they want as long as they abide by the laws of the country they are in. No one has disputed maturity. Only that they did not need permission to go on this trip or babysitters while they were there. According to our law they are of age.
Instead of blaming chaperones and parents, lets teach these kids in school. I can’t remember ever being taught about this kind of stuff. I especially think this goes for the female gender. There should be classes on how to handle themselves in these situations.
Rick—If you want your daughter to go out whoring on spring break, great, but I’ll keep mine at home. I’m not throwing my daughter into that crocodile reserve.
Arubagirl I’m glad your back.
Fr. of John I bet this is not the first time that VDS and crew have taken advantage of a young girl either.
Oh Native, I haven’t been to Maui.
Yes, personal responsibility for drinking and leaving with the boys falls on Natalee. Responsibility for her murder, if there is one, falls on the person who committed it.
Thanks everyone. Red will probably change out the forum to a new one, ,later tonight, You all are filling it up fast.
Thanks for all of the help you have given us today. We have done some harm and some good, but the information on the ground has been absolutely spectacular.
It looks like we will have close to 40,000 unique visits at scaredmonkeys today. That is over half the population of Aruba.
So have a great night, and please keep the room clean.
T
You guys sound like a bunch of old stale farts!…. Classes on how to handle yourself?…Do you really think things are THAT different with 18 year old now?…I sure don’t…I think it sounds like some of you forgot what it feels like to be young
Biggy, are you implying that Nostradamus is completely silent on the subject of Natalee?
Talk about conspiracies!
Stan—-It’s not the school’s obligation to do the PARENTS’ job. It is the job of the parents to teach their kids how to behave in certain situations.
A friend of mine here in Birmingham that works in law enforcement made the comment that Natalee is “too old” to be abducted for international prostitution.
Is that sick or what?
JC
I agree.
I am no angel and have gone plenty of places with plenty of people who seemed friendly but could also have been killers….I was too trusting. I know I’m lucky to not have encountered a sicko…there are probably more per capita in US than in Aruba
Biggy – Whoa, that site is.. weird. 0_o Very interesting way they had of finding their information..
I hadn’t seen that site, I’m just a curious 14-year-old girl with a hunch that hundreds of others have probably already thought of..
JC – the personal reponsibility in this case lies with whoever murdered Natalee.
She did nothing wrong, though perhaps used poor judgement in drinking too much and leaving with strangers. Then again, she may have been drugged.
In any case, blaming the VICTIM or adults accompanying the kids on the trip – is absurd.
Bengalbaby………Just marry me, we’ll go to Aruba for the honeymoon and we’ll solve it……….lol
You can YAWN all day long, but would you like your daughter, if you have one or will, to end up on girls gone wild? I’ve seen shows where girls lives were ruined by acts you obviosly take to be so trivial, namely “girls gone wild”. Do you think that is a good image to have??? Would you like your female family members to be like that?? (maybe you would since your attitude is so dismissive) And as for having alchol at proms….HELLO…illegal since the drinking age is 21!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to say this. And I’m afraid that I’ll prove all Aruba bashers right. There is a lot, a LOT of sexism / machismo / sexual harrasment going on here. I have about 10 good gf, and ALL of us, without exception, has been subjected to some sort of sexual harrasment. Mostly in the workplace.
Of course, as always, other local posters may say I’m wrong. Just saying about my experience.
You got it John… Im on my way!!…lol…
I’ll bet anything that the Van Der Sleazes will do anything to protect their baby. I’m sure this past week was just “chock full” of Dad working out a story for the boy(s). I also very much expect to see Joran the Pus*y try to hang this on one, or both of his 2 “buddys”. By my accounts so far he tried to blame the 2 security gaurds, that didn’t seem to work. Then, …..and this is just a thought……the other guy that was arrested today may have been someone new that he tried to blame. Seems they picked him up after the “confession”. Now….if this guy doesn’t get it I believe he will try to lay it on the other 2.
Hoover- is your friend thinking of Thiland instead? yeah its all sick…
arubagirl, that happens everywhere. I will say that the men are MUCH more aggressive than they are in the states.
Oh and by the way….there has been many a career and life ruined by the flash of a “nipple”. (nice attitude…perv)
Well, if we are going to outlaw 18 year olds from going to places that serve alcohol legally, or spring break parties, etc! Then I say stop these kids from serving in the military til there 21 too! Getting shot at in Iraq is a lot more dangerous than this crap….
Stan You’ve never worked in an Army recruiting office!… Talk about aggressive to women!!
Not into “crapping on the Aruba government”; however, here goes…
Aruba fought for their indepence and was given it but then got a reward to become something outside of the Nantilles…if my memory servers correctly, these are the same folks that supported policies that led to:
Hmmm…Theo Van Gogh and the violence appertaining to..
…because of Holland’s Indonesian connection, 30,000 immigrants are taken into their very small country…
…so, they aren’t really concerned with condemning one of their stars, Van Der Sloot-es-kine and his family as killers-just-because-they’re-alive…they can’t even justify them as freedom fighters…
Just a spoiled rotten Van Der Snooten-heir from the Netherlands-’n-snooten.
Arubagirl…..true….I had the same experiences here and in the US
i can’t believe you can say nipple and not ass
JC—Totally right. If you pat your daughter on the back when she tells you that she wants to go on a whoring vacation, don’t cry foul when she ends up screwed up or dead. And let’s face it: when you send a teenage girl on spring break, you’re sending her off to get banged.
guess you can say it
OHHH My…Ronald.. you didn’t just say that~!
RONALD wrote, “If you want your daughter to go out whoring on spring break, great” -
You know, there are many parents that are overprotective and super-cautious with their children, and end up rearing kids who go horribly wrong in life.
The fact that you continually harp on and suggest that Natalee’s parents and/or the other parents who went along on this trip are somehow responsible – really makes me wonder about *you*.
Millions of teenagers and 20-somethings travel to different countries, go to parties and Spring Break around the country without incident, and have memorable and enjoyable times. To repeatedly point to the horrors of Spring Break, to suggest a woman attending spring break is a “WHORE” and that her parents are “Whoring Her” – really just casts *you* in a very bizarre light.
All IMHO…
Well, it’s the truth. Pretending that so-called “spring break” is anything other than a large, unfilmed swingers’ party is just being naive. When you send your daughter off to spring break, you’re sending her off to be used and abused.
……………..Nice talk, Ronald. Seem a bit preoccupied with that particular subject…….
WoodGuy: I believe you’re so right!
In fact, how precient was the Alabama senator to call FBI Dir Mueller and dispatch their elite team to Aruba.
Can you imagine the last administration sending such a team to Aruba?
Well natalee was celebrating graduation …not spring break.. is she a whore Ronald?
I love it when some idiot tries to draw comparisons of drinking alcohol and going to war. That is such a lame, pointless kind of argument.
Like gay marriage… THEN WHY SHOULDN’T I BE ABLE TO MARRY A GORILLA?
Idiot…
RICK— I’m bizarre because I acknowledge the TRUTH? Pretending as though spring break is a vacation–and not a sex party–is just naive.
and what of the boys we are sending there to spring break? Girls are whores and boys are just boys? thats enough Ron.
I have been following along with the comments but have remained silent until now. Stan…get a grip. School should teach what parents are to teach? Just when should this start? And seeing that “sex ed” isn’t even allowed, how should it be approached. As I said, get a grip.
On another note, I am very sorry for whatever predicament Natalee is in…whether it be alive or not. She did not deserve anything bad. Most normal woman(if thinking realistically) can picture herself in Natalee’s shoes. I know at 18 I made some stupid choices, and fortunately I am still here; however, I could very easily have been in the same position as Natalee. It is not her parent’s fault nor is it hers, and in my opinion, anyone who thinks so is absolutely narrowminded! Sorry for sounding so negative the first time I comment, but I wish people weren’t so callous….
I partly agree with Ronald.. but if a girl is promiscuous, she’s going to be promiscuous wherever she goes.. it’s just as dangerous in the United States or anywhere else (roughly). But I’m sure that some girls don’t have sex on a spring break trip, as I wouldn’t and won’t, if I go one when when I’m a senior (I’m only 14 now). I would go to enjoy the local customs and be with my friends for the last time before we parted ways to go to college.
I went to a party after my graduation. I drank beer and some wine coolers. I kissed a boy that I had liked for a long time. Am I a whore Ronald? Same thing isn’t it? Only I was in my home town. But my parents let me go. Did they whore me out?
Yeh shelly. who are the whorey girly having sex with?….Yikes…. narrowmindedness abounds!!!
Bengalbaby…………No, according to Ronald, that would make her a “Graduation whore”, not a “Spring Break Whore”…………
I hate to disagree with some of you, but when my daughter came back and said “thank God I don’t behave like that” I was quite proud of her. And I believe her too because I have seen her act much more responsibily a thousand times before.
Did I send her off to be “whored”? Hell no.
Ummm…hello? I just said that if all of these people were over 18 that there should not have been chaperones. I’m not blaming the chaperones. There shouldn’t have been any in the first place especially if they weren’t going to “chaperone”.
I honestly hope that Natalee’s parents don’t forever regret sending her to Aruba. The chances that she would have a wonderful time right before she had to buckle down to studying for a long time were a great gift to her. She worked hard for her “better than a 4.0 average” and I’m sure her parents just thought she deserved some fun. I’m from Birmingham and my very intelligent Grandfather once told me “make a decision , stick to it and don’t regret it”. I hope her parents know that they made a decision to let her go to Aruba only out of great love to her. What she encountered could have easily happened in Tuscaloosa after she got to the University. There are just bad people out there. Just pray that one day when your time on earth is over that you will see your beautiful daughter again!
Ahhh…. forgive me John… you are right… I just had my birthdya…so I guess Im a birthday whore!…. *hanging head in shame*
Okay, since Aruba’s history has come to the order, here we go:
(See, still not responding)
Until 1954, Aruba was a colony. During the WWII, when Aruba and the rest of the what is today Neth. Ant. noticed that they can handle some affairs well while Dutch government is busy with other matters (liberating their country), an independence movement came along. The government dragged its feet, worrying more about Indonesia, because it’s bigger, and richer. NOT defending the Dutch government in this case, just stating history as I was taught. Anyway, Indonesia got its independance after much bloody fighting, and then Neth. remembered its colonies in the ‘West’.
So, we got a shiny new name, “Netherlands Antilles” and some power. In the 70s Aruba got restless being under the mandate of Curacao, who was the ‘head island’ in the Netherlands Antilles, and we wanted to be out of the Netherlands Antilles. Dutch government, said sure, honey, but then you gotta become independent too. Referendum was held, majority agreed. So in 1986 we got Status Aparte. With everything being controlled by us, except 1) foreign relations 2) defense 3)judiciary (to a certain degree that last point). However, we decided that we liked the STatus Aparte, but the independence thing wasn’t too appealing, so we asked to stay part of the Dutch Kingdom, and here we are.
OK Ronald – Why not call the Holiday Inn in Aruba and let Natalee’s family know how you feel? The number there is 297-58-63600
Let her know that you think THEY were whoring Natalee as you put it, and that they’re responsible for her death.
Effing idiot.
Hey Mark, nice name calling…you’d be doing alright to get lucky with a gorilla….
Bengal—Everything that I have read portrays her as an upstanding young woman, but she was not very mature. The parents had to know that, and sending her off into an environment wherein she would be confronted by sex predators is not very smart.
Bengal………….Happy B’day !!! By-the-way, anyone realize that Joran’s birthday is the same day of the year that they dropped the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima………
aruba girl
thanks for the history lesson.
going to bed-god bless
any news?
Cautivo wanna hear a conspiracy. Natalee got to know Joran. Some one in the group got jalouse. Waited for her in the hotel lobby (all dressed in black ) to come back with from here trip with Sportyboy. Took her awy from the hotel killed her and put the boddy away. the next. Day the makes sure that everybody is rushed to the airport. board the plane and fly back home. leaving the whole mess to sportyboy…… ( I’m not defending him.)…..
what the hell kind of theory is that, biggy?
I agree with you Ronald. And bengalbaby, I do remember what it was like to be 18. That’s exactly why I would never send my kids 1000′s of miles away.
Rick:name-calling is the recourse of the uneducated.
the babbling babboon geraldo is coming on now..
OMG!! Natalee’s mother and stepfather are going to talk to Geraldo. Now!!
Biggy – That seems unlikely..
But they should interrogate all of her 100-something classmates that went on the trip.
Ronald
What about the millions of girls who go on these trips have sex, do drugs and then come home alive and well? the trip isn’t the culprit, those 3 guys are!!!
Ronald writes, “name-calling is the recourse of the uneducated”
Hmmm.. and calling 18 year old victims of crime “whores” is what, Ronald? A display of your genius?
Effing idiot. (I reiterate).
Go call the Holiday Inn, Ronald, and let them know they’ve whored out their daughter.
Ronald…
Where CAN a girl (or woman) go and not be exposed by sex predators?
this interview is a repeat from earlier today
Biggy….same thing crossed my mind…especially after hearing that a (boy) friend of Natalee’s got into a fight with Joran earlier that night at C&C…..
Quote: this interview is a repeat from earlier today
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LOLA—Girls who go on trips and do those things are putting themselves in harm’s way. If you run around with your laces untied, don’t cry foul when you fall.
Hadn’t heard that part, native.
Y know…Tila you survived and I survived…There come a time when …you have to let your kids go… you pray you taught them right…you pray nothing like this ever happens to them…If you can’t let them go…. then you haven’t done your job…They shouldn’t leave the house. Depriving them of opportunities doesn’t help much….
Yeah, Native, what’s your source on the boy friend?
Wait Ronald…I thought it was the parents’ fault. Did they untie her shoes too?
Ron is sexist . its not about that Ron its about where is Natalee.
Someone posted a link here last night….I’ll look it up…
You are all kidding yourselves if you think spring break isn’t an over zealous sex party. There is actually something called making a rational decision to participate or not. If you go to spring break or on a graduation trip, you don’t have to get trashed and be a ho. Has anyone over 30 been out to a club lately? It’s the same deal that now a majority of the girls feel they have to make out with other females to get guys interested. What’s up with that? You just talked to guys when I was 21, not make out with your best friend on the dance floor.
I did’t know about the fight otherwise i would added it the theory…
The parents must have sent her our whoring with her shoes untied!
Yo peeps from the US:
Anyone know what the Antilles (minus Aruba is?)
Netherlands?
Holland?
Read a news source from Holland, lately?
Wondered how the immigration policy has been going lately?
Know that Van Gogh might have been an “expressionist” or a post-impressionist or just a guy-from-holland but he had a grand-kid who was murdered for being a film-type-blogist?
Holland…Netherland…has sent their best and brightest to their outposts…Aruba being one….
This is the same government on the Aruba Island that is attempting to tamp down their problem that has such an Indonesian/Holland Van Gogh problem…it’s the same and it runs back through to them…
SO…MR. Van Der Sloot….tell us about your 6′ 5″ son…
RICK–No one called her a “whore.” You’re now misquoting me, and that’s both slanderous and disgusting.
Rick, I just don’t think you’re very smart. I’m estimating your IQ at somewhere around 74.
Ronald, so, are you saying that ANY girl that goes somewhere for Spring Break is a whore? If so, then I guess I’m a whore! I went to South Padre Island in college. I was even a *gasp* VIRGIN, and I left with my virginity intact. I guess, though, that because I even dared to GO on the trip, that I’m a whore? Darn.
Was Natalee smart in going with these 3 guys, no. But does that justify the fact that she is missing, no. Getting into a car does NOT equal, ‘rape and/or kill me, please’.
Geraldo now interviewing her Mother/Stepfather
here goes:
A Pre Disappearance Fight?
by Tom
The Birmingham News is reporting that Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and some of his friends almost got into a fight with some travel companions of Natalee Holloway.
One of the three young men arrested Thursday in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway got into a pushing match with some of her friends in an Aruban bar, one of Holloway’s friends said Thursday.
Bryan Reynolds, 18, one of 124 recent high school graduates who went to Aruba in late May, said some of his friends almost got into a fight with Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and his friends.
The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, a Dutch suspect arrested at his upper-class home in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday morning, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said.
“There was almost a fight between my friend and him,” said Reynolds, who was sitting in his car in the parking lot of Mountain Brook Community Church on Thursday after attending a noon prayer service with his classmates and others. “I had to break them up. That’s when I got a good look at them.”
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Reynolds said he saw the suspects hanging out at the Holiday Inn where the Mountain Brook High School graduates stayed in Oranjestad. When Holloway went missing, Reynolds said they were the first people he considered as potential suspects.
“That was the first people who came to mind,” said Reynolds, who said Holloway is one of his best friends.
No, KinTX, your parents whored you for letting you go after you turned 18.
MUST BE STRONG.
I blame rap music…
If the US had not involved itself with such unusual intensity, I would be inclined to think that the perpetrator would be more likely to be another tourist.
However, given the level of US participation, the involvement of prominent families, and the bizarre succession of statements and retractions that seem consistent with a disinformation strategy somewhat more sophisticated than one would expect in an ordinary criminal case, I suspect that those who have suggested that the case may be related to activities of very sensitive and profitable business interests.
link: http://www.postherald.com/me0611005
no…live interview
Hey K in TX! You went to Spring Break and returned with your virgnity still intact!? Amazing! I’m a guy and I was able to do the same thing! Awesome….
I thought Joran lived in Montana? Isn’t that somewhere near Santa Cruz?
And thanks for the post, native.
Damn, her parents are tearing into the Aruba investigators. Bout time someone brought up their complete and total incompetence.
AMEN ArubaGirl!!
By the way Natalee is one of millions who has done that. She paid the price because of 3 sob’s. It is not the fault of the “Spring Break” that’s illogical…
parents didn’t even know they had found blood in car
Montaà ±a is in Noord.
K—-Again, why do people think in absolutist terms? Certainly not EVERY girl who goes on spring break is a whore, but denying that SPRING BREAK is really a sex party under the guise of a vacation is naive, and sending your daughter there is not smart.
Re: A Pre Disappearance Fight?
Wow.. well.. maybe a classmate DID have something to do with Natalee’s disappearance.. you just never can tell. I hope the FBI people and Aruban government officials give us some real news soon.
What are they saying?
Natalee’s mom said they met Joran and he was “arrogant, cold and hard”.
That meeting must have been tough…
waz happening mwoods????
Geraldo is breaking news to the parents. Jug Twitty said they are very frustrated because they have been given no info.
I know Nate, can you believe it? But my parents suck, because they whored out their 20 year old kid. As if they paid for it, too, lol!
Ugh. Poor woman.
Mom said she asked on June 1 if Joran had ANY kind of record or anything in his past and she was told by Aruban officials that his record was “as clean as Natalee’s”.
Ronald – you repeatedly said any parent sending their children to a foreign country to have a fun-filled graduation week is “whoring them out” – If you feel that way, dont be shy, go ahead and let the victim’s family know how you feel… since youre obviously “World’s Best Dad” (I bet you even have the trophy on your desk), they’ll be happy to hear your brilliant open minded commentary.
Whenever some horrible situation like this happens – Central Park Jogger Rape, Robert Chambers girlfriend murder -etc., there are always creeps that crawl out of the woodwork and blame the victims, or the victims family – as in this case.
Your opinion of my intelligence is something I think I can somehow live with, Robert. I’d be more concerned with your friends and family reading your comments in this forum and your public indictiment of yourself as a dipshit.
OK, I’m outta here. Off to whore my daughter off at Chuckie Cheese. Care to join me Ronald?
Oh wow.
parents have seen no television and have heard no news. Mother demanded to know if Joran had a negative background, said she was told that his background was as impecable as Natalee’s. Jug said he knew Joran was lying when he met him
Did you ever consider that these parents are not “sending” their children anywhere. I am sure that it happens that parents pay for their kids to take trips, but no one knows the circumstances of this trip and I’m sure that Natalee being with over 100 of her classmates on an island that is also much safer than her own state did not occur to them as being a “sex party”.
It isn’t? He had a record?
Arubagirl………………You’re SO right !!! Even if she made some “questionable” decisions to drink, etc…………that shouldn’t mean violent crime or death……..in any instance !
Poor family…
The stepfather said when he met Joran he didn’t believe he could have done anything but that after 30 mins he knew he wasn’t being truthful.
Poor mom can’t even look at the monitor.
Prime Minister up next…
Ronald, “Again, why do people think in absolutist terms?”
Perhaps because your words are ABSOLUTE.
thnx for the update….native
What kind of record?
he’s talkin to prime minister after short break
How could she be given an interview at a time like this???and to that moron….
I just couldn’t….I would be standing right outside the police station demanding answers…..but that’s just me
The PM is going to talk ENGLISH?
Oh dear.
Ronald – If parents teach and know their daughters really well, their daughters would be less likely to be promiscuous and drink on spring break. I think parents should offer their children cautionary advice, call them at an appointed time daily, and investigate the location before letting their daughter go on any such trip. However, I’m not blaming Natalee’s parents or Natalee herself, I’m just saying, I think if parents were a bigger part of their kids’ lives, these things might occur less often.
arubagirl
Geraldo asked if they were aware that he had been into anger management sessions
Rick, your comments are absurd. I think her parents made a terrible mistake, and I’m sure they’re aware of it.
FOX NEWS – Geraldo Interviews Parents of Natalee
Family is incredibly frusterated with the investigators and the lack of progress and information. She stated she broke down last night and demanded some real answers from the police. They didn’t give her much but to prepare herself for the worst.
Geraldo informs her of the blood in the car and she says it was the first she heard of it. She states the police did not tell her anything and that was frusterating. They also said that they lied about Joran’s background by stating he had an impecable record, which is turning out to be false.
The mother of Natalee met Joran and said he was arrogant, cold, and not the person police have made him out to be.
Overall the family seems incredibly mad at investigators and the lack of anything. She stated her frusteration over the fact that forensics like the blood from the car could have been found 12 days ago.
Is that a bad thing arubagirl??…lol
Not into “crapping on the Aruba government”; however, here goes…
Aruba fought for their indepence and was given it but then got a reward to become something outside of the Nantilles…if my memory servers correctly, these are the same folks that supported policies that led to:
Hmmm…Theo Van Gogh and the violence appertaining to..
…because of Holland’s Indonesian connection, 30,000 immigrants are taken into their very small country…
…so, they aren’t really concerned with condemning one of their stars, Van Der Sloot-es-kine and his family as killers-just-because-they’re-alive…they can’t even justify them as freedom fighters…
Just a spoiled rotten Van Der Snooten-heir from the Netherlands-’n-snooten.
Astrid—Agreed. And if you have a mature, sophisticated daughter, fine. But by all accounts this girl was a credulous ingenue who was too trusting for her own good. That kind of girl is not prepared for what she will face in that kind of environment.
Astrid, if they investigated ARuba, what would they have come up with, exactly? It’s not as if teens are abducted or missing on a rampant basis.
Ronald, I tend to disagree with you (again, lol). You say her parents made a terrible mistake? I say those 3 teens made the mistake.
Maybe Natalee never should have left the house!
I haven’t heard him speak English personally, but from a lot of persons I’ve heard that he’s really not that good.
And I personally believe they are beating themselves up with it right now even though most rational people don’t think it is in anyway their fault. I know what regret is with my children and they are all still here alive and well. These poor parents are dying inside right now and there are people like you out here blaming them for their daughter’s death. What a cruel world we live in. This is exactly why rape victims are now kept out of the press, because there are always jerks out there looking to make it out to be their fault instead of the monsters that did it to them.
Geraldo said breast!!!
Little anti-Dutch, Whitney?
arubagirl, who would know if people are murdered or kidnapped in Aruba? The joke of a police department couldn’t figure out anything. We also know tourism numbers are fudged all the time by countries.
Arubagirl – No, Aruba’s a good place.. it’s just.. I don’t know. They could have found out about the other girl that was abducted who went to the same bar, and cautioned her about it, maybe.. or found some alternative places they could have suggestd for her to go to, if they knew she was a drinker.
K—-Again, if you go looking for trouble, you’ll find it. If you put your daughter into harm’s way, you’re taking a risk.
Hey Ronald……….Under your scenario, the parents of the girl who worked on Capitol Hill, who was “involved” with US Congressman Gary Condit, must have been “whoring their daughter out, as well”………………
Ohhh..John!… GOAL!
Well then, Ronald, I’d better keep both of my girls under house arrest until they get married someday. I don’t know how they’ll find a husband, but perhaps they’ll luck out.
Just a bit, Leila.
PM did pretty good in English…
Geraldo asking PM is it absolute truth that blood found in car is Joran’s–short break again
Ronald spewed, “Rick, your comments are absurd. I think her parents made a terrible mistake, and I’m sure they’re aware of it.”
No, Ronald, they’re not “absurd.” You’re the nitwit who is blaming the victim and family of the victim for the crimes of another.
The parents made no mistake. Though I think your parents may have made a serious mistake, Ronald, they should have given more consideration to the abortion option.
I cant believe I’m reading some effing moron blame the parents here, and suggest they were ‘whoring out’ their daughter by sending her on a holiday that thousands of other kids go on without incident.
Ronald, I repeat – you are an absolute effing idiot, and if you really believe what you’re saying, I have posted the phone number of the Holiday Inn- go ahead and share your carefully considered parenting guidance with the family. Or will you only do that on message boards?
How many daughters do you have, Ronald? Just wondering.
With all of the registered sex offenders in my county, I may as well be whoring my daughter out when I let her go out and play in the yard, huh Ronald?
Commercial break till we hear the PM’s answer. Wonder if the PM is as bright as the investigators.
I don’t think anyone is saying NH deserved this, this is not true, but it seems as if some of you don’t want to admit the atmosphere of spring break, mardi gras, etc., I’m assuming to save face. (I really don’t know why) As for Rick comparing the Central Park Jogger to this situation is ridiculous. Your are comparing someone who was pulled off of park path and gang raped to someone who was drunk in a bar and from what we know, willingly and naively left with three men. UNBELIEVEABLE!! APPLES AND ORANGES!! (have fun at Chuck E. Cheese and make sure your daughter’s hand gets stamped so no one can take her)
Astrid, I don’t know if you’re talking about the cruise ship girl, but urm, she disappeard over Curacao. It’s a different island.
Oh oh…the PM goes on camera…the “Cats’s OUGHTA-the-bag…
the Aruba Government HASN’T a CLUE!!!!
Watch the FOX News interview by G-RAldo….
OMG…it’s a ROTFLMA-O moment…
…take me back to his interview a couple of days ago when he came back from a conference with Condeleeza Rice….
…oh for that time again, Mr. Prime Minister of Aruba….
K –
He has one, who lives under the staircase in a metal box. She is covered in bubble wrap. She is said to be doing just fine, and is not at all a whore, though she is starting to display whore-like tendencies, you know, growing genitalia and all that….
Stan, I did NOT vote for this PM. Bash him all you want.
Hey Rick and Ron…can you take the pissing contest somewhere else.
You mean Geraldo is actually asking PM for confirmation after he already told the parents????? UNREAL
Witney you got the story comp;etly wrong. It was the moslims from Marroco and turkey that Van gogh critized every day and killed him.
Geraldo is great. He is showing that Aruba investigators are completely worthless. What a joke that country is turning out to be.
LMAO Rick!
Where is her biological dad? Geraldo said he would be talking to him earlier.
Ronald, it bothers me that you’ve taken this platform to stir up trouble, express obnoxious opinions, and be the annoying kid in the back of the classroom. If you really have such a low opinion of her parents, what are you doing here anyway?
I can’t quite put my finger on it, but your attitude is disturbing.
Like a lot of other people here, I check in to get some bits of hopeful news … then I find myself getting dragged into your self-righteous nonsense … and I get angry at myself for forgetting about this poor family.
I don’t know.
Hey, I said the PM!
Native
He asked the parents if they had heard that news
We’re into commercial now…THANK GOD for ARUBA…
I hope the Prime Minister ditches the camera and has an upset stomach…
PM…dont’ do the interview!!!
I hate to be boring but I think her body was moved – plenty of time while the boys went about their business for 2 weeks. I can see that’s not what people are interested in talking about at the moment. Natalee who??
Arubagirl – X| Sorry.. just ignore what I said about investigating the place, then.. I had heard that there was a girl who was abducted after being seen at C&C, but I’m not sure it’s a reputable source.. the rest of you are much more knowledgable than I, since I’m even younger than Natalee and very impulsive. So I think I’ll just lurk for a while..
Everybody-No more about Ron’s ‘whoring theories’. and it will all go away. I think he likes the controversy he’s creating.
The problem with our society is that we have reached the point at which POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has triumphed over TRUTH, and, as far as I am concerned, that is a tragedy.
We are now more concerned with sparing people’s feelings than sparing their lives. We sit here and try do absolve the girl’s friends, absolve the chaperones, etc. Why? Because we’re so afraid of offending anyone that we dance around the TRUTH. When we do this, the CORRECT MESSAGE is never sent, and the situation becomes that much more likely to occur again in the future.
JC – Read the words please. The comparison was between the numbskulls who BLAME THE VICTIM, not the crimes.
During the Central Park Jogger case there were hundreds who were saying, “She asked for it” by jogging at nighttime.
Just like there are people here saying Natalee’s family made the mistake, that they whored her out, etc.
Are you Ronald, posting under another name?
what news are we talking about here, precisely?
Ditto to arubagirl…..Geraldo and PM on T.V together…this is too funny…
Stan…Hop a plane…PLEASE…… go down there and fix it then!…
PM says can’t comment, was told by chief of police yesterday about blood
No…the girl that worked for Gary Condit was a whore all on her own for sleeping with a married man. She didn’t need any help from her parents.
Bengalbaby…………….Did he say “breast” or “Big breast” ?………lol
Totaly agree witj you Arubangirl….10 points
arubagirl
news of the blood in car
Prime Minister is even ripping on the investigators.
Excellent point, Kelly. Remember the old rule of thumb that our parents taught us (when they weren’t busy finding ways to whore us out): ignore people that are ugly to you? I’ll try to adhere to that rule from now on!
Hee, Astrid, I’m not trying to drive you away. Prob. have been harsh. I really really didn’t mean to be.
Johnn…A-Breast….*giggle*
Hoover John said: “The parent’s of the Mountain Brook students aren’t really any different (demographically) from Hoover, Vestavia, Spain Park, Greystone or many other neighboring towns around here.”
Aren’t any different demographically? Are you aware that Mountain Brook High has only ONE black student?
Arubagirl………You are so down-to-earth..lol !
bengalbaby, I’d probably get killed and have the police botch up the investigation. I’ll pass.
Oh okay m wood.
How’s his English?
No offense to everyone blaming all of this on the parents or victim, but to be cliche’, “no means no.”
That’s like saying a girl in a short skirt who gets raped was asking for it.
While I do think the safety of women is a problem and people need to use common sense, the girl was 18 and able to go out of the country even if her parents disapproved. Also, people can dress, behave, act however they want. No one deserves to be the victim of violent crime and no one asks for it.
~Domesticviolencesurvivor~
K in Tx………….Thanks for “tellin it like it is” !!!
PM says he expects all the answers by tomorrow?? So they know something and are not telling…
It’s okay, Arubagirl.. you’re not harsh, just honest. =) But thanks for being nice.. I’ll just read anyways, I’m kinda tired to type.
RICK—I thought you were going to drop someone off at Chuck E. Cheese. What are you doing back?
Ah…because we’re mostly white we’re all the same? And that one black student is one of my friends.
He’s just like us, and so are his parents. It isn’t a skin color issue.
wow…now they are going to Mark Fuhrman (of OJ fame)
OMG – Mark Furman – from OJ trial
I’m thinking that the PM is miffed that Chris Lejuez has more appearances on U.S. news that he does.
That’s just a shame that you feel that way…How often to you go to Aruba?
Arubagirl…astrid is just 14 years old….. a smart 14 yr old
SoInSo, ME TOO! I agree with you 100000%
They said that last week too Kerin. Now they have Mark Furhman on bashing the Aruba Investigators.
I’m guessing that the investigators are either dumb as hell, or covering for this rich kid. What a joke.
arubagirl
pm english much better than my papp (oh forget the spelling even)
WHAT? This guy is on tv? Right.
for some reason I keep wanting to call it pimento.
Stan How often have you been to Aruba?
No problem John! I never have a problem “tellin’ it like it is” (said in my native Texan accent, lol).
And thank you, everyone, for the rundown of what’s going on right now. As much as I’d LOVE to see Geraldo (gag, choke, sputter), my husband is watching the boring Indy race, so I can’t see it. He thinks I’m becoming a little obsessed with this case. Methinks he’s right! But, as a mother of 2, I can’t help it. This is a parent’s worst nightmare.
Thanks Native =) No need to defend me though, Arubagirl had a point.
I’ve been once.
arubagirl
if you mean mark furman, yeah he’s on w/ Geraldo
I was thoroughly into this site a while ago, but I think the focus has been lost. A bunch of bashing about countries and parenting…..Natalee is still missing, and there are many unanswered questions….I pray for her and her family and her friends….
Yeah, Mark Fuhrman bashing Aruba investigators. Somehow I really really really don’t care about his opinion. Wonder why.
NativeLingo *hiding face in shame* on behalf of the people of aruba, please forgive our PM……he’s a total IDIOT………. how embarassing
Let me guess, didn’t like it much, huh stan?
Nelson Oduber…
You don’t look like a Netherlands/Holland-type…
Well, you don’t…
What do you think about Holland’s immigration policy and its Muslim/Van (and we’re not speaking about painting in the early 18th century…you know?)
The security guards are evidence of this policy…Unfair???
What do you think?
Enough times to bash the hell out of the police down there? Just because they down do things they way they do in the States?…Here we go again…
well all I learned from that feature was that Natalee’s poor parents don’t know anything more than we all do on this board….
K in Tx…………….You’re “preachin to the choir” !
No Rick, you need to read and understand that people aren’t saying that her parents “whored” her out, whatever that means. I don’t think they are blaming the victim or her parents either. They are trying to say that there has to be some personal repsonsibility taken somewhere, that is all.
Well, he’s not, whitney.
I have been away for a few hours and I wonder if anyone has suggested that entire news fiasco today was done intentionally by the police to convince each of the 3 suspects that one of the other ones had confessed.
They may have done this sort of thing, where that seed a rumor, in other cases and may not have expected the media firestorm that erupted.
So, at this point in the investigation we are really no better off than yesterday or 5 days ago except there are more people in custody? Am I right? I can’t watch the news either. I have my own children here and 2 extras who are watching cartoons.
I have to agree this is not the family of the victims fault. We raise our kids and at a certain point we have to let them go and trust we’ve given them what they need to survive in the world independently. At 18 years of age this child was headed to college and lets face it, this could have happened in her college dorm…or in the city she was living in! Young people can’t be watched or chaperoned at all times!
I do disagree with trips like this. Even though Aruba sounds like a really wonderful vacation spot…letting over 100 teenagers loose there isn’t appropriate in my opinion. Sadly, drinking and drugs are part of our culture. Research and studies show kids from all walks of life, smart kids, good kids, etc. are drinking and taking drugs. Sad but true. Even if Natalee didn’t partake, it’s only reasonable to suggest a good portion of the kids did. Group think in a celebratory environment with no parents is a deadly combination wherever it happens. The recent news stories about trips to Mexico by kids from Texas are another example of this dreadful state of affairs.
I personally think school trips have gotten way out of hand. Even for younger kids they plan trips out of the country to all kinds of fancy and exotic places!
If Natalee is dead maybe one of her legacies will be to force parents and kids to assess class trips and parties of all kinds.
look. Hoover guy. Just b/c MB has a higher gross income than other B’ham municipalities doesn’t mean parents raise their children any different…
K in Tx…………..(I must not have gone to South Padre that year…….lol )
the personal responsibility lies on the perpetrators of the crimes who didn’t know how to conduct themselves as living, breathing human beings but as animals instead.
OMG John! LOL!!
ArubaGirl…they have one of your radio personalities on now…
What’s you’re piont Whitney…?
if this is radio personality, will there be music between sentences?
Hoover guy has the typical “They’re Brookies” attitude…and it’s getting old. You’re from Hoover-come on-you don’t know.
Biggy….r u from aua?
OK, for those of us without access to a television right now, can you give us a brief low-down? The only thing they *are* confirming is that blood was found in the car? Anything else? I’m afraid I’m getting a little lost here. Thanks!
If you PUT YOURSELF in a dangerous situation, you most certainly have some degree of culpability.
If I decided to go running through a ghetto with a $250,000 diamond watch on, I’d “definitely” have some responsibility in the event that I wound up being mugged.
There are two ways in which to deal with the world. You can deal with the world as it OUGHT TO BE, or you can deal with the world AS IT IS.
Sure, a young girl should be able to get stinking drunk at a party and have nothing happen to her.
Sure, I should be able to drive into a gang-infested ghetto in a bentley at 3 o’clock in the morning..
Sure, I should be able to wave an American flag in Fallujah and have nothing happen to me.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? That’s not the way the world works, and if you choose to deal with the world as it ought to be–as opposed to dealing with the world as it is–you’ll be in for a world of hurt.
Yes but living across the atlantic for 2 years now
mwood lol on the music between the sentences line
T
Hey DON’T BLAME THE VICTIM, totally off the subject, but I’m glad you made it out!! I understand, trust me.
dragon, I would say that we don’t know more than a few days ago, except with more people in custody. It could be that the FBI and the Aruba Police Force are just sitting on assses, too. I’m trying to embrace all points of view here. My personal opinion, based on what I’ve previously seen other cases is that it’s usual for the prosecution to be pretty quiet. The fact that it now seems that CNN wasn’t right and the U.S. media is willing to jump at anything, makes them clam up more, I think.
Elvis is alive and living in Aruba!….I knew it!! lol
NO MUSIC
You all are nuts by the way. 400 comments already, lol , well here is the 5 minute warning before we move over to the next comment post.
begal lol
But Tom… you love us!!
K….blood in the car belonging to someone is about all the evidence they ahve (or are admitting to).
wow Ronald. You’re a real “the glass is half empty” type of guy aren’t you? You sound like lots of fun to hang out with. lol
BTW, I live in the gang-infested ghetto. If a guy rides through in a Bentley, it’s general knowledge that you leave him the hell alone because he probably has a good cache of weapons with him to defend that Bentley!
stop blaming the victim and blame the perpetrator. It’s their parents who didn’t do their job.
oh my god, who do they have on Kerin?
lol ….bengalbaby thnx for keeping me awake
Thanks, Kerin! And, where in TX are you? Just wondering.
Well put Ron.
Glad to help out there Biggy!!
Anyone else from aruba here?? do we get fox news on DTV??? channel???
Thanks JC… my ex (THE ex) got married today, so I consider today my official independence day. I tried to warn the blushing bride but it didn’t work, so I guess she’ll have to learn the hard way.
It took me 10 years, from the age of 15-25 to get out. Glad to say I did and made it out alive!
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K….I am in The Woodlands (just north of Houston)
ArubaGirl I think his last name was Weert?