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What happened to 1118?
good question i was just wondering that
i still think shes alive
LOL… “some mother named her kid Jug”… Mother Jugs and Speed!…Dating myself!… That’s a nickname… I thought I read his name is George…
Everyone in Mtn Brook does too.
it’s his nick name
Evening ya’ll…..
Wow whatta 24 hours, huh?
Arubagirl…not to be disrespectful but is there only one radio station? Or is 95 just the most popular?
Jug’s brother, the uncle, is “Jar”…….I’m serious….
Bengal…………..That was Light-years ago…………..ok, maybe hours…………
KerinTX, go to http://www.arubadag.com for more links
What the heck are they playing on that station?…Yikes!!
There is nothing in this world that I love more than southern nicknames! “Jug” is an awesome name!
yeah it is
i know 2 people named Bubba
Native…Nooooooo.Jar?…. LOL… OK… between … Jar.. and Mother Jugs…LOLIm dyin here!!
Unless it is used for a female, K.
Got em rick
GPTMB
Y’all think she’s alive? Do you think she ran away?
“tell me its not true Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 12:25 am
maybe she wanted to have sex and it wasnt rape. maybe she bled from it ”
Yeah, you got it. She wanted to nave sex IN THE TRUNK!. Thanks for that!
Still alive? where did you hear that Tell Me It’s…?
Bengalbaby…………..”Yikes”, “Zowie”, “Wow”, “Eek”………….are only used in cartoons, comic books, and “Batman”………….lol
Yes, and absolutely not to the running away thing.
What if he took her to a hospital and left her?
this is getting very strange indeed….
i think the chaperones are really to blame! 18 year olds aren’t mature enuff to handle this kind of trip without getting into trouble…
We are all just hoping and prayin everyday for her safe return and we all have faith that the Lord will bring her home to us safe and sound.
No new news yet, i understand?
I’m thinking the FBI would have already checked out a hospital.
Please don’t blame the chaperones. They are beside themselves with grief and guilt.
How much does anyone wanna bet that Joran (the culprit- accident or not)does not do more than 6 months in the pen??
Yeah, the three are taking their lumps from the authorities so as not to give her up as a runaway. WTF???!?!?!
Some people don’t know any better GPTMB..
if they are, i want to hear it from them… not your speculations
GPTMB,
I’m thinking that no matter where Natalee is, the Lord has already wrapped his loving arms around her. I pray that she’ll come home safe, too.
Runaway with what? No passport…money…without the local “friends” she made?
GPTMB, that is why you probably don’t want to read a whole lot here. Lots of hateful spewing blaming chaperones, parents, everyone EXCEPT the perps. Lots of support, yes, but also lots of hateful words too.
Did I read things right…they are saying that they don’t think it is a homicide now? what’s the source? Thanks!
OMG
GPTMB, so what do you think? That someone has her?
IDON’TKNOWNUTTIN– I think the blood was in the car, not the trunk, and we don’t even know if it was her blood.
TELL ME- she wanted to have sex with him, more power to her
look. I live in Mtn Brook and I know all of the chaperones. We’re all freaking out and are feeling feeling guilt to an unparalleled amount.
Most likely, Van Toot or whatever thought more of himself than Natalee did and when she said “NO”, he said “shutup” and the gangbang began.
the perps are definitely to blame and should be tried and hung… but i still believe the chaperones need to give the community and media a full accounting of their inattention SO THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO ANOTHER KID ON A BOOZY GRAD VACATION
Ignore them GPTMB… You guys have nothing to feel guilty about…
I hate to lay blame but the chaperones should have noticed as soon as everybody got back to the hotel, afterall 40 chaperones for 100 kids, thats 2.5 kids for every chaperone. But on the other hand, accidents do happen!
How exactly would that help Weenine
I dont know — but i can no longer tolerate some of the comments being posted — I’m going to bed — God Bless and continue to pray for Natalee — and if you don’t already have a yellow ribbon to hang go get one — It helps knowing that we have ya’lls support — We are still holding out hope that Natalee is alive and coming home to us soon. Again, God Bless
I, for one, am having a very difficult time believing that AP would quote Police Commissioner Dompig (sp?) saying that one of the boys confessed and would lead police to the body - if it werent true. Lawyers can argue about what a legal confession might be versus a confession via wiretap or something - authorities can deny a ‘confession’ was made, but it seems completly improbable that a respected AP newsman would falsely quote a public official in an international case and expect to get away with it. No one would do something so foolish - if Natalee walked into the police station tomorrow, the reporter’s career would be permanently finished. No, I tend to think that the statement was true…
On the confession - one of Natalee’s family members said it was an ‘aggressive interpretation’ of what was said - so something certainly was said by one of the boys and it did point to some sort of culpability. THe phrase spread by another attorney for another suspect - one of the (probably) falsely imprisoned guards was, “something bad happened”…
it was 7 chaps for 124 children that equals about 17-18 kids per one adult
WHAT WERE THEY DOING?
Someone in the prior comments said they gave a ride to a girl that had known them for all of 45 minutes. I can relate to this case in that as a 20 year old my uncle left me at a bar in FL to go off with his girlfriend. I caught a ride with the guy I had been dancing with all night thinking he was nice and all (lots of drinks in that thought by the way) As we left his friend got in the car–can you say PANIC. I was saying to myself that I had made a fatal mistake and the talking on the ride between the two made me nervous. They stopped at a corner store for cigarettes (more like condoms if you ask me) and LOCKED the car door with me in the back of a two door car. I panicked that I was in deep trouble and saw two marines (one male on female) getting gas and jumped out of the car and ran to them. They took me to my hotel. I shudder to think what was about to happen to me. It could have easily turned out really bad. I never got in the car with someone I met at a bar again, thats for sure
gptmb, we know how hurt you all must feel. Can’t change what’s happened, can only look ahead, at this point.
Most likely, Van Toot or whatever thought more of himself than Natalee did and when she said “NO”, he said “shutup” and the violence began.
IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! - your a dumbass. we dont even know WHERE the blood was found.
PLEASE - no yellow ribbons anymore for anything
That is merely a tribute to a very crappy Tony Orlando & Dawn pop song… RED ribbons to reflect the blood spilled in this horrific crime
I am sick of hearing people bash the chaperones. They weren’t there to baby sit. How could they have possibly stopped her from going home with someone. It’s not like she or the other kids would tell them her plans anyway. Be realistic.
OK..my mistake, I didn’t know it was only 7 chaperones- That increases the chances of a mistake exponentially!! It could happen to any of us.
So, who are the Surinam-ese peeps and who, what, why are they protected?
Heya, Netherlanders…what gives?
How does the Kikki F! driving champion and the legendary painter and his ancestor (Van Gogh…LOL…would you believe that Rembrandt was a precursor to “blonde modern wood in your kitchen?”….
OK tmint, the PM said they did find blood and IN THE TRUNK, dumbass.
If Daddy Van Der Sleaze negotiates an “accidental” death plea for these pricks I still think they should hang for making Nat’s family go through this for 2 weeks. What a mistake in letting them go at the beginning. I mean, did they even photograph them for cuts, scratches, etc….
how funny - “baby” sit
yes, when you “baby” sit you allow the “babies” to run wild with psychopathic killers
yes, they were just there to “baby” sit - remind me to never let you take care of my children
Whitney - Do you have somethin’ against the Dutch?? I am not getting the gist of your posts!
Heh…Whitney said.WOOD..
GPTMB
As much as I say do not feel guilty for what happened, I am sure you will because it is human nature. Those who are responsible for the actual missing of Natalee should feel guilt. We have all been there at one point in our lives and to some extent. Some of us more than others. There are plenty of things that I wish I could have done in my life that would have better protected friends and family. Some work and some do not.
Nothing anyone says here that may be derogatory will ever make anyone feel worse than they already do. I feel for the family and friends.
No matter what happens you guys are not to blame. Could things have been done differently, sure. But you are not to blame. God bless.
blood was found in car
Gasp - BT and Deputy no longer post, instead we have “Weenie” - who is almost certainly the same effing tool.
Hey dumba** - feel better now that you’ve made your insipid point blaming the chaperones for the billionth time, and hurt the feelings of one of Natalee’s classmates?
Somehow your concern for the well being of the kids seems less likely than you wanting to hurt someone’s feelings.
You are an absolute tool. We all knew that when you made that “whoring their daughter” remark - I’d love to collect your posts and forward them to your coworkers and family…
CHAPERONES
Wait, I want to hear more about why y’all think she’s alive. I want to believe it too.
I SAID NOTHING ABOUT WHORING
maybe the chaperones were out whoring when they should’ve been looking out for the welfare of the CHILDREN
THe Prime Minister said “in the trunk”!
Has anyone heard any more on the blood results that fox said were back?
What a weird set of circumstances, this morning I was almost relived the fake foxnews story was right about the body being found and one of the suspect confessed. Now I’m not sure after retractions and finger pointing.
I do have a question… this festival Soul Festival, where was it held? and at what hours…some post ago here or somewhere mentioned that the Festival had their own security guards and seem to match the description of the Suriname bros…any clue on this?
TOM - Obviously BT/Deputy/Weenie, etc. is the same troll here..
Are you shutting us down when we get to the end of this page?
I’ve been reading all of your posts for most of the day. Is there anyone else here who can identify with being a silly teenage (almost college age) girl out having fun? I see myself in Natalee…maybe ten years ago, but still just as reckless. I can think back about things I did that were just so stupid. The only difference between anyone of us and Natalee is just luck. In her case, a lack of it…..
Jamaicanice- You should be ashamed of yourself. If your idea of coming on this messageboard was to provide a personal attack against Americans, then you need to find another one to do just that. I find it quite insulting that in a time of grief and tragedy you have not only insulted my homeland, but also a girl and her family. Just FYI, our country is much more powerful and can field a larger army than yours ever can and excuse us Americans for having concern and hope for the well-being of one of our fellow Americans. Americans stick together, and maybe your country should learn from ours on how to respect other people. If one of your citizens were in the same situation, I know I would not get on a messageboard designed for helping to cope with the tragedy and as an information source and personally attack you and your country. Its called common courtesy and class- something you obviously lack. And FYI- the Americans that have visited your country may have given you a bad impression, but not all of us exhibit that behavior, and it is not fair to sterotype. I haven’t seen anybody on here write “Jamaicans are evil and bad and deserve to be kidnapped and die” which is the impression I got from your postings. Have some respect for people of the world. You don’t have to like our country-a lot of people don’t. But, you also don’t have the right to badmouth our nation and people when you have not been exposed to all of us. Yes, our nation has its share of not so nice people, but it also has plenty of wonderful, kind-hearted ones too. If your nation ever needed our help, I’m sure Americans would lend a hand. But thar is not the point- the point is to respect Natalee and her family and those of us who care to find her, instead of attacking others.
…someone needs to ask guard #1 and #2 (on the Fox News net OR MSNBC or CNN) when and if they’re released:
so, what did they ask you when you were incarirated?
Do you wanna say anthying to the world-wide press?
OK…hereis the microphone…say what you want….
(On the Dutch world-wide network…beaming our stream to Indonesia?….
INDONESIA: can you hear us from Aruba? Please come here and vacation at C & C on Aruba….oh, BTW, it’s safe, here!
Not to bash the chaperones but there have been a lot of opinions on what the chaperones were NOT there to do but the question should be what IS their job/responsibility of this type trip? No matter the outcome of this, I hope that is one thing that will be looked at by this community before they plan another senior trip. I know the high school where I teach has chaperones sign forms and we are assigned specific students. Some of these kids have never been out of the country and they DO need some supervision, regardless of age.
Definition of Chaperon:
S: (n) chaperon, chaperone (one who accompanies and supervises a young woman or gatherings of young people) .
Where is the supervision??
Me too chloe!!..
and I said the chaperones were NOT there to babysit. Or at least I meant to say that.
I agree with previous postings - where were the chaperones? Does anyone know exactly who they were? How is it smart to let 130 grads run free and wasted with only a handful of adults? 18 yr olds are not smart or mature enuff to handle these things. Let them make mistakes at college, but not in a foreign land with predators waiting for fresh meat.
Whitney, can you please clarify your thoughts? Kind of random.
The mayor of Birmingham said they were not “chaperones” - they were a group of adults who went along on the trip with their kids and assumed no responsibility for them - they were of legal age in Aruba, and previous trips were without incident - just good fun.
What’s really scary is that I look like her too….
They can make the mistakes in front of the predators waiting for fresh meat in the colleges they go to!!
Tom - same person is trolling under multiple aliases… can you block the email address or IP address?
The colloquial meaning of chaperone has evolved in our modern lexicon- don’t be obtuse.
Chloe, plenty of us here either remember when we made incredibly stupid choices or we have kids who do/did. It’s just that some here are incredibly hurtful and feel they are doing someone a service by blaming Natalee or her parents or friends or the chaperones.
Wow…. somebody actually had the ba**sto use the word “obtuse”!….Nose in air!!
Hey… Look, I was there… the chaperones can’t be blamed, they went above and beyond for us. Please don’t blame them, it’s not their fault.
The chaperones were there to have a good time, to relax and party. They were there to set a good example for the children by ignoring and avoiding them while they were murdered by drug-deranged foreigners. THAT is what a senior graduation trip is all about. Survival of the fittest. The chaperones were not to blame, they had better things to do than babysit. 18 year old women can handle themselves when drugged and raped. How can you blame the chaperones? They were doing what all the parents expected - NOTHING!
The debate over chaperone is silly. What about spring break in Fort Lauderdale or South TX? No one goes with chaperones there.
…and I should have also asked: Surinam…are these peeps from Suriname? Or was it Surinam?
Or, was it Indonesia and are you sure you want your daughter or son to “hang out” but maybe you do/oh I would….
Go to Aruba!….Don’t…no way and don’t….
Drug Deranged foreigners?….Who were the foreigners?…Man…Wake UP!
This could have happened in Tuscaloosa and no one would have blamed her dorm counselors or sorority house mom. No one could have prevented it- it was a tragedy.
Nope, you can’t blame the adults that were on the trip. You have to blame the perpetrators. The adult-to-teenager ratio tells you that they weren’t there to keep the group of 100+ together at all times.
RANDOM!
K in Tx……………(Ya think those thoughts were a “little” random……lol ??? )
Dude, like I said ages ago - if you feel that way, I posted the number of the Holiday Inn. Go call them and vent your spleen, tell them what a horrible job they did and what poor judgement they used and how superior you are, as “Parent of the Year” - sitting behind your computer and hurting the feelings of those already suffering.
A-hole.
Someone explain to me what they could have done to stop her! I don’t even think it is their place to stop her.
has anyone heard anything on the fox report about the blood tests being back ?
Bunch of teenagers just doing what teenagers do….can’t blame the parents..can’t blame the adult helpers on the trip..can’t blame the bar……can’t blame the island…can’t blame Natalee…….CAN BLAME the animals that did it !!! and if it wasn’t Nat it damn sure would have been someone else.
As a parent of an almost 18 year old, I guarantee you that when my daughter decides to do something, no one and nothing will stop her, no matter how stupid it is. Even if her friends tell her it’s stupid, if she really wants to do it, she will. Quit blaming the chaperones, her parents and her friends. Blame the jerk who hurt her.
I know c mom, it’s just I feel so incredibly sad today. The worst part of all of this, is that she seemed to be a great girl. Smart, pretty…really had her shit together. The worst part is that this ugly way that her life might have ended is so out there now. It just makes me sad for her & for her family……
Rick, if you have no idea what you’re talking about, maybe you shouldn’t talk. You werent there… you don’t know what happened.
amen to that concernedmom
or about it not being a homicide? there is nothing on the fox news web site, and I don’t have cable at the beach house
Bengalbaby………..lol…………(Just pass it off as the enigmatic galimaufry of a slimy sycophant )
Aruba has shown to have the most incompetent and pathetic police force in the world. I would not feel safe travelling there or having my children visit there.
parents just interviewed on fox news
John…. I was thinking … Ganga may have kicked in for whitney…but maybe you too!!…LOL…. obtuse…*giggle*
The chaperones are not to blame, though I’m sure they regret. All should get a wake up call that predators are all around and her friends who saw her get in the car should not have let her go with those thugs alone.
I think we just have SO many people in this world that are all about themselves. And they are SO self-righteous, so they feel the need to take a sad, horrible situation, and try to make it worse. They’ll let everyone know how *they* would do it, or how it *should* have been done. My bet is, that these people don’t have children of their own. It’s always SO easy to tell everyone how to parent, until you’ve been in the parenting shoes.
Regardless, it shows a complete lack of character, sensitivity and class to come to a board about a missing young girl, and point fingers and make hurtful comments. Must feel good to be you!
OK- nobody is blamng the chaperones. I can’t even imagine how they must be feeling!!
We are just discussing responsibilities so that if any of us are in the the same situation in the future, we know whats expected of us. There are definitely lessons to be learned here.
& Yeah- whitney, what do your posts mean??????????
i can’t get any info either i’m in CA and they are repeating all the same shows from earlier
they are waiyting for blood tests to come back….they dont think its a homicide…and no one admitted to anything
nothing from news updates about the blood tests results or the “Not homicide”
Fox said after geraldo on the news alert that the tests WERE back.
PM just said they think shes alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they mentioned the caves….
Jim…
You are ridiculous. Is that your travel criteria? “Um….yes, could you please tell me what is the competence of your police department there in Cancuun, Jamaica, Brazil……..?”
where? what media outlet has said this tellme?
PM just said results are NOT back and they are waiting on them. he said alcohol was definitly involved, not sure about drugs.
foxnews parents are on now
OMG!!!!! Please let it be true!!!
How rumors start.
Suspect1: We dropped her off at around 2am.
Police: Well if that is true the cameras don’t lie, and she is nowhere to be found…how do you explain that.
Suspect1: Well I guess something bad must have happened to her.
AP news: Sir, did the suspect offer any explanation of Natalee’s where abouts?
Police: No, he said he believed something bad must have happened.
News: Teen confesses to police, saying something bad happened.
Different people different IPs blocked one already.
LEt me dig ,
The Fox report said something different. That blood results were in with confirmation of results
Thank you Tom from people who care about Natalee and her family and friends
The fox geraldo show is a repeat. 3 hours old
SA…you are probably right. I guess I don’t understand why it would even be necessary to send adults on this trip if they served no purpose. Why not just send the kids and give them the name/number of the local embassy in case they lost a passport, etc? But when you send “adults” and call them “chaperones” they DO have some responsibilities to monitor things.
I am in no way blaming them or saying the outcome to this would have been any different. But sometimes when a chaperones presence is “known” then outsiders are less willing to try and befriend kids in the group.
Again, NOT bashing the chaperones as this is just a very sad and unfortunate situation.
I know they didnt drop her off at any point in the night at the hotel… we were out by the pool the whole night…. we would have seen her.
OK…
# K in TX Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 12:52 am
Whitney, can you please clarify your thoughts? Kind of random.
The Aruba-land sits just north of SA and Venezuela, specifially.
Do you know of its history?
OK…I’m sure you’re looking it up as we converse.
The “guys” who’re in control are named Van…blah blah blah….
they guys who are not are named, John, et al.
All they guys who’re named John are still in jail, notwithstanding they’re sworn statements and testaments that they weren’t in Natalee’s pants….
The guys who ‘admitted to being in her ‘intimates’ are locked up with the other 2 guys who’ve been there for the past two weeks.
Damn. It’s just ‘Dutch’ justice, NO?
OTOH, I like the ‘blonde’ wood and the plain surface wood with a minimal hardware presentation….oh, I’m so Hollandere….
Someone please save me from my ‘Aruba’ being….
Lovies….Whitney
Think about last night and the ensuing 24 hrs before getting your hopes up. Be cautiously optimistic.
mom is upset that she wasnt told about blood in car. and is upset. the mom said just now that the only thing they were told was that “they are not so sure natalee is still alive” mom feels shes no further along since she got there may 31
This is a repeat on Fox right?
Bengalbaby…………..LMAO………..Those posts that we’re speaking about must come from INSIDE the walls of some institution………..not the product of “eating a brownie” or “rolling your own”…………..lol (We’re talkin thorazine or haldol, here………)
I still would love to know where the 3 were AFTER the time they say they dropped off Natalee (2:00am)…..I’ll bet an arm and a leg that it wasn’t home in bed.
Compananzi- It appears that AP & CNN are even more incompetent than Aruban police!!!
This geraldo show is 3 hours old! It is a repeat!!!
its not old. it says LIVE
PM said he prayed she is still alive. Parents were told it doesnt look good.
Ahhh… ok…*singing*..If youre happy and you know it…youre on youre meds!!..
Hey, I’m back, any new news?
To all the ppl from Aruba- I want to thank you for helping to give us the information yu have. Although your investigation process seems long and frustrating to us, we are by no means trying to insult your country or imply that your island is full of crime and poverty. We are just so used to being given lots of information in cases like this in America, example, Elizabeth Smart, but we respect your country for the effort they are making to solve this mystery and to hopefully bring Natalee home. As many of us know, every country has their share of criminals and just because something like this happened, it does not mean Aruba is not a safe-place to live or visit. People go missing all the time in America and yet we still fill fit to live there. If we have offended you in any way, I would like to apologize. Right now we are working together as a team and are all frustrated about the lack of information being presented- both Arubans and Americans alike. I pray for your island and that it will return to normal and continue to thrive as a beautiful vacation destination as well as a home to many Aruban citizens and respect your country for the hard work and steps they have taken to solve this case and find her.
The latest news is that the blood was in. that from fox three hours ago
They never dropped her off. I don’t know why they would lie and say something so easily proved false.
if you were “At the pool” all night…im guesing you were her friend. why didnt you go with her? why didnt you call her and ask her where she was?
—-
I know you aren’t supposed to talk about it, but can you speak to the speculation about roofies or that she is still alive?
—, do the police have your statement that you guys were out by the pool all night and didn’t see her get dropped off? Is the pool area sort of close to the street, so you could have seen if a car came down the road, or not?
—,
Which entrance could you see? The main entrance with the cameras that saw nothing, or the other entrance that I have heard about?
it is NOT 3 hrs old!!
Thanks Lola, yeah, I’d already heard that.. it was Joran’s blood, someone said.
Again, Geraldo show that is on now is a repeat…….
I am not going to go through another 24 hours like I did these last 24 hours.
Even though I have my number with some key people to call me and wake me up overnight if it breaks…. lol
T
Goodnight ,,, Trolls are killed to the best of my ability at the given time. Let us say one last prayer for Natalee tonight
bengal…………You are a “pisser”……….lolol
How would he call her?
Aruba?
Trace the peeps.
Van Der Stoops? Holland…
Anyone else?
Indonesia.
Get it?
“at the pool ” - Did you tell the police that? If you did why were they questioned then released???
I dont understand why they arent telling her parents much. That is horrible.
When I was 18 we went on a senior cruise, we stayed in groups (although we had chap., we didnt have them with us). Anyway then and still to this day we would NEVER let a friend get in the car with 3 guys like that.
Good night, Tom. Thank you for keeping up with all of this
call her on a phone obviously. geraldo isnt even on foxnews. its not a repeat.
Yep! Three hours old!
Minn Girls….THANK YOU…..MASHA DANKI!!!!
It was said that it was Joran’s? who and what media outlet said that?
Bye Tom, great job with the threads so far.
no, the pool is at the back, by the beach, you can’t see the street. and to “tell me” our phones didn’t work in Aruba, so we couldn’t call her.
IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou!—how old are you? 10?
Lola - It wasn’t a media person, it was someone on this website on an earlier thread.
tell me its not true, you are incorrect, so don’t keep on.
well why did you and your friends let her get into a car with 3 guys by herself?
native L -
you are up late again!
—, were you at C&C that night??
i am not incorrect. why dont you contribute factual information instead of agreeing with everythung
- - - Please leave this poor kid alone. I am sure everyone who could be helpful has given what info they have to the proper authorities.
This chatroom will work best if we try not to offend and run off the people who actually have first hand information.
NativeLingo is a night person…..creature of the night
ld enough to know better than to say things are true that I don’t know to be so.
tell me its not true Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 1:15 am
well why did you and your friends let her get into a car with 3 guys by herself?
We didn’t let her, it just happened… please don’t blame or judge us, hidn site is 20/20
tell me….. enought with the blame!…
Bengalbaby & K in Tx………….Did both of you get the requested “clarification” on those earlier “random” posts………lol………???
uhhh grammer….
Thanks everyone… keep it civil and clean, as if you all were in my living room , and I will wake up very happy
T
And you all have been so good I have no worries. If a troll comes, ignore em., they tend to leave and I can clean up in the morning.
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Why did you say you would have seen her? Would she have needed to walk near the pool to get to her room?
It’s like why does Kikki Raikkonen F! driver for McClaren look like him…and why does the Prime Minister…blah blah blah…
…and then google “Holland” and read AND understand Holland’s dance with its past from the 1600’s and its current dance with Indonesia…well, it doesn’t have one with Indonesia…
It just has a population of peeps from Indonesia who happen to kill Van Der…..(fill in the blank…)
Whitney, 2005
uhhhh shut up you werent there. How about you quit jumping on people who actually care.
I did…..!.. Im on my meds John!!!LOL..
bengal- no one blaming. asking innocent questions
I’m too tired to even begin to TRY to process the random posts! I’m off to bed. Prayers to Natalee and her family. I would LOVE to wake up to good news in the morning. Coffee, a Krispy Kreme and news that Natalee is alive…that would be a good Sunday morning!
Is this Whitney….Whitney Houston?….Jeez…..
yeah, they said that they dropped her off by the pool, which isn’t true. And her room was in the same place as mine. There were a bunch of us out there… they’re story doenst check out
wow…some of these posts are confusing
“Tell Me….”, your questions show a remarkable lack of understanding of young adults today.
NativeL
Any word on result of found blood?
who are you talking to? everyone here cares, thats why we are here. your right, none of us was there, but if iw as alot of things would have been different…
actually — was
Thanks Tom - Appreciate your creating/moderating the forum…
MSNBC ran some pretty good criminal stories today, which does not bode well for the outcome. Part of me hopes for a safe return but the odds seem so staggering. Basically the stories show that nice peaceful places when a murder occurs, its very hard to phantom that someone native or from that town did it. The speculation is probably that some transcient is at fault. Also from the many stories prominent and influencial families whom member stand accused do stymie police investigation. Had it not been for the massive hour by hour coverage, this would have gone by the way side, like Amy Bradley story. Or one similar in Jamaica as well. The other way that sometimes reattention is gained is if someone did investigative stories or wrote a book.
We can all claim that things would have been different if we would have been there, but if we look back to our behavior at that age, I don’t think anything would have been different.
oh really concerned mom? thats funny considering i am a young adult
Bengalbabe………….that last post of hers was just …………”out there”…….
Kindly Email an evening’s supply of whatever you have that makes “her” make sense…………….lol
I would never keep one of my friends from hooking up. If she was drugged, that is unfortunate, but if she just wanted to hook up with him, that was her prerogative.
First time here…lovin it. Goof, intelliegent, thoughtful comments.
Just a quick q,.does anyone know if the Kaploe brothers have the same lawyer representing them,.saw conflicting info there,..Van der Sloot does not, Antonio Carlos is representing him, and David Kock is representing ONE of the brothers, from what I see,..he also represented Jones and Johns initially, then one of them retained another attorney,.any idea?
“tell me it’s not true” you’re attacking me and being obnoxious. I’m posting because a friend of mine has been on these boards… I was hoping they’d help. For the most part, people are nice, but you are out of line.
Goof=Good
I agree 100% with Minnesotagirl’s post before……..
me!
And I am the parent of a young adult who would not ask her friends permission to go somewhere without them, nor would she feel that she has the power to ‘let’ someone go or not go.
out of line? i am not attacking you whatsoever. if you cant handle these boards then leave
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Thanks, that is a good piece of evidence that they are liars. Most of what I have heard of their story **could** be true. I doubt it, but I couldn’t quite convince myself that it **had** to be false.
—, thanks for sharing what you know for us. By the way, this was all just an unfortunate set of circumstances. I emphasize that no one blames, or should blame, anyone except to find who is responsible and blame them.
I agree that their story doesn’t check out. I’m sure our FBI is taking care of business right now with those three. The truth will come out.
yes, since you know everything you daughter would do/say
haha… yeah GPTMB is the friend I was talking about. Be nice to him, he’s helped keep me from just totally losing it the past few days…. Thanks again, Darth Tater.
“SA Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 1:21 am
I would never keep one of my friends from hooking up. If she was drugged, that is unfortunate, but if she just wanted to hook up with him, that was her prerogative. ”
That is very sad!
…and if I read one more of Whitney’s posts I think my fuc*ing head is going to explode !!!!
the geraldo repeat says kock is both bros lawyer
tell me….
IT IS A REPEAT…
i agree IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou!
GPTMB- let’s talk about how she might be alive- what’s your theory? I would really like to hear theories about her being alive.
I know my daughter would be just as vulnerable at Natelee was
tell me its not true, how old are you?
how old is your daughter?
Selena, they all have different lawyers, The brothers have Kock and Omen, and Joran has Carlo. All very good lawyers…
mwood- good one
This case has truly captured my attention since it became common knowledge. I know that on my high school graduation trip I made several very bad decisions in regards to alcohol and hooking up. I really feel for this young womans family…There will not be a good outcome. I do not want o offend anyone on here particularly the several people from mountain brook, but this girl is dead.
Who’s blood do you think?
How about the guys from Surinam? It’s his blood; nah, it’s his…; nah, it’s the Van Der Snoot’s bloodiy Honda;
OMG, a bloody Honda?
I’m mostly wondering about the folks from Surinam and whtat the FOLKs think about it….
Then, the elite like Arubagirl’s handler needn’t worry…
Wood Guy……………..ROFL LMAO !!!!!
almost 18
— you and your people stay strong, I’m wishing the best for you too!
Underwater Cave — Grotto type thing — might have just hid her out. That’s my long-shot theory, but basically it’s just that everyone just refuses to think negatively. Everyone feels that if we pray and hold out hope that she will come home to us safe and sound.
well, i know i wouldnt go with 3 guys who i barely new, without one of my friends. and my friends would think its kinda weird and they wouldnt let me go alone, nor would i let one of my friends go alone.
Note: Kudos to the Aruban *people* for their willingness and eagerness to show and offer their support to the family.
It is quite apparant that the Aruban and Dutch gov’t, however, really don’t have a clue how to handle this, and have already made mistakes in this investigation due to their own inexperience with anything of this magnitude. I’m not a fan of Geraldo Rivera, but by God, Geraldo and Fox may actually be able to get all these people on the same *page* for once in 14 days, because it’s truly disturbing that there are serious discrepancies in communication between the police, the Aruban gov’t and the Dutch, as well at those same parties *back* to the family.
I DID NOT SAY THAT! (ABOUT DAUGHTER)
Most young people today feel they know someone after a day or two of hanging out so her decision to go with them wouldn’t seem out of place to her friends.
Bush - Why don’t you take it and shove it. Maybe you can learn how to use your creativity in a manner that would actually help people vs. insult them.
thanks Nate. It’s nice to know some people are actually supportive.
I DON’TKNOWNUTTIN and TELLME–
do you go around telling your friends what to do? Do you stop your guy friends from hooking up, or just your girlfriends? Do you have a problem with the morality of hooking up? Are you a virgin?
wood guy…me tooLOL…. Yoko/Whitney…John…do you concur??
An underground grotto? For 12 days?
IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! , sorry i was talking to concerned mom.
i am a little older than your daughter, but even when 18 i wouldnt go alone with guys who i had just met. people should know nowadays that always have a buddy with you.
I agree concerned mom, she had hung out with him a few times at the casino, and the friends probably thought that she did “know him” somewhat.
hmm,..maybe the attorneys aren’t as relevant as I thought,..I think one of the brothers is more likely to be the person cracking,..I don’t think Van der Sloot has ever wavered from his story
Stories say that the Honda belongs to Joran. Also stories say Nat left with them and was seen driving away, would she be in the front driver passenger side? I find it hard to believe that Joran would say to his friends drive us cuz I am going to do some kissing in the back? I hope they lift finger prints from the rear view mirror and if the finger prints of the Kalpoes bros is not on then someone is lying. Then again all not searching the car, lots of evidence can be lost.
Or maybe they could have sold her in Venezuela… We’re just trying to cling onto what hope we have left.
I said it was a long shot. But the thing that keeps me positive is something that most of you clearly don’t have: faith in God. Faith and prayer are the key to solving any problem.
They are saying the DNA testing will take several days but they should know out of the five suspects whose blood type matches much sooner…
We try to teach our kids to be more careful, but sometimes they just want to do the opposite of what you teach them
Concerned Mom…I feel the same about my daughter. Once they walk through the front door, no matter how many “talks” we have given them, they are vulnerable and yet feel invincable at the same time.
Also, even though it’s not right, I have a lot more worries when it comes to my teen daughter as compared to my teen son. The world is just so much more dangerous for our daughters.
i dont tell my friends what to do- but they are smart enough to know not to go with random guys, and would want someone with them. and if they were drunk and went with guys, i would go with them incase anythiung happened. i dont really care what my guy friends do, considering they are the ones usually initiating the hooking up. i dont have anythung wrong with “hooking up”….just not with3 guys. i am not a virgin
— no problem…take care
I think that especially because she was a straight-A student, that her buddies would have said “hey, that’s Natalee, she makes good decisions, she’s got her head on straight, she’s not the kind we have ever had to worry about or take care of”. Plus, she smiled and waved, which gave off a message that she was secure in her decision to go off with the guy she’d met.
ditto bengalbaby!!!!!!!!
KerinTX, I was one of those who swore I would never feel differently about my daughter versus my son, but I do. I agree with you that our daughters are at a far greater risk, just because they are girls.
Did anyone hear of the invetsigators giving these kids lie detector tests? just curious..
yes, kerintx it is a much more dangerous place for our daughters it seems.
I really wish people would quit attacking Natalee’s character. She’s a good girl. She’s a smart girl… we cant change what happened, but you should know that it’s not her fault.
SA, When in such circumstances and considering the thugs, I would not let a girl friend of mine go alone, if at all. You need to be a better judge of character and circumstances than that. Date rape is not new, and neither are predators. At least all should learn from the obvious mistakes that were made. I’m not trying to be personally critical, just real.
even good and smart girls make wrong decisions sometimes….everyone does…
Geez, Bengal………….I haven’t stopped lmao yet…………..
=\ Lots of thoughts everywhere.. I agree with all of you to a certain extent..
I personally wouldn’t have gotten into a car with three guys I hardly knew.. I mean, 3 guys… maybe if a friend of mine went too, I’d go.. but you can’t trust 3 guys you’ve just met a couple days earlier, especially those who like to hang out in bars.
But it’s not Natalee’s fault,.. it’s her killer or kidnapper’s. No one should do a thing like that.
— People are just frightened, so they will look for any way to make it out to be anything other than an awful, random set of circumstances - if we can blame the victim or the something else, then maybe it won’t/can’t happen to someone we know and love.
—Says, bad things happen to good girls and I agree, it’s not her fault. Hang in there and know there are plenty here who care
i’ve been reading your posts for over an hour now. any new news?
Well, fox just had a news update that was live and nothing at all was said about the tests being back. Maybe Fox just f*cked up three hours ago and reported something wrong!
Well I hope something like that is the case and she does come home alive. I truly hope that there can be a silver lining to this whole ordeal. My background has led me to not believe that miracles happen all that often.
— I am sure that Natalee did think that she could trust these men. She had after all talked to them before in the casino. You are right, she was 18 years old, not a child. She did have the right to go off with them.
I agree ” “. Nobody…it doesn’t matter what the circumstances deserves to have their life cut short like this. Nobody!
gptmb and —
i just want to say that i have been overwhelmed by the tremendous faith in the Lord you all (natalee’s family, friends and the community in general) have exhibited in this horrible time. you are all an inspiration.
what is the story about the accident in a car?
well i hope she didnt think she could trust the men after meeting them in the casino a day before
Annie………….I don’t think anything new for a while now
Accident in the car? I missed that
concerned mom - I don’t necessarily agree with you that teen girls are at a much higher risk than teen guys.. if we know what to do in certain instances and are advised well, we do fine most of the time. Granted, there are always exceptions, but the same exceptions are risks for teen guys too. Unfortunately, my mom can’t seem to understand this, and won’t let me out of her sight, even with my friends, anywhere in the city except for malls.
tell me its not true, I am sure that she did think that she could trust the men.
Thanks, we are all trying to keep our heads up and the Lord is helping us do that. I honestly don’t think Mrs. Twitty would have been able to make it this long without His help.
someone said earlier that there had been a car accident somewhere. someone back me up on this. I know i read that
thanks Dallasjen, We really just have no other option at this point… if we cant change what happened, at least we can pray that God can take care of her and bring her home…. We need her.
The car issue is an interesting one. Joran isn’t old enough to drive, so I have assumed it was the brothers’ car. In that case it would make sense for the brothers to be in the front seats and Joran & Natalee in back. But the impounded car is from Joran’s house, I think.
Be patient astrid — heck, it’s hard to see a kid lose a soccer game, let alone walk away from you among a crowd of strangers. Your Mom’s concern is just love.
Well folks… Im off to bed… See you all tomorrow…hopefully… news will be good..Sleep tight John!…*wink*
Astrid, a grown man or older teen guy can overpower a girl just because they are physically stronger than we are, period. Girls are victims of crimes at a far higher rate than guys. How old are you?
It is annoying to see people trash a person they dont even knows character. I can tell you i grew up with two worry-wart police homicide investigators for parents….I got s-faced and smoked weed on my senior trip. I was an honor student and “level headed” My friends and I took a cab to a sedy part of cancun and went to a brothel…We got robbed for all our cash and had to walk back to out hotel..This case made me realize how much worse could have happened.
When tragedy strikes , it is human nature for people to try and distance themselves from it- to try to say, “this couldn’t happen to me because I wouldn’t have done so-and-so”. The reality is that this was random and unfortunate, but she didn’t do anything wrong.
there was an accident, but it didn’t have to do with this case
not old enough to drive? what is the driving age?
GTPMB and —–
PLEASE tell me if Lindsey Hart was on this trip……
no one is blaming natalee. she may have been an A student, and perfect in everyway, but everyone makes mistakes. i can understand meeting a guy and going off with him, but to leave with 3 guys…thats just kinda weird. everyone should enforce the buddy system
Annie…the only reference to a car accident I remember was one Arubagirl made about an accident near the lighthouse in Aruba today (nothing to do with this case)
__ Did you meet Joran? If you can say, what did you think about him. Thanks for talking to us, ignore the meane ones.
The driving age in Aruba is 18
tellme………….not every teen girl is like you.
NO accident. Blood found in the car.
Annie and Lola - this afternoon, there just happened to be a car wreck out by the lighthouse, and a reporter was out by the lighthouse trying to track down some activity. So the reporter mentioned that he had just now seen a wreck happen.
As to “leaving with three guys”, there is a report that Natalee thought she was only leaving with one guy, actually walked out with just the one guy, then somehow it became three.
Maybe he didn;t see her leave, others said they tried to stop her. I feel something was put in her drink and she did not realize what she was doing when she left. It happened at a local college here recently involving baseball players.
no lindsay hart on MB’s trip — dont know who that is…
Jeeze, 18 the legal driving age huh? makes it a bitch to get to the casinos to play poker….
GPTMB & —
Stay strong and positive. You guys need to stay positive for Natalee & her family. Its easy to be negative. Keep the positive thought and prayers.
Natalee could have been any of our daughters. Tom and I have discussed this and have felt it so important to get the message out there. We were teens too, not all that long ago but long enough.
This has become personal as we have received so many comments and heart felt emails behind the scenes. We wish you all the strength to stay positive and for Natalee’s parents. I cannot even imagine what they are going thru. And as always, pray for Natalee.
I have no idea who Lindsay Hart is? I dont think she even goes to our school.
i don’t think it’s weird that she went off with three guys. Ever heard of “takes one to know one?” Maybe Natalee is just a social nice girl who didn’t fathom, like most of us that something so horrific could take place! We all do stupid things
Thanks, Chloe. =\
concerned mom - I know that.. but I took a bit of Tae Kwon Do and with that and a bit of instinct I think I could defend myself a bit. I’m not saying I could keep myself from getting abducted based on physical skill, but I could fend off my attacker for a bit.. and I’d always be with my friends, never alone. And I carry a cell phone.. I’m 14. Nearly 15.
Wow, not legal to drive until the same age legal to drink. That is sure a lot at one time.
GPTMB
Any Lindsey on that trip?
– I understand and respect faith. The truth, at the moment, is more important and faith can deal with the result. You, and all the people who know and love this girl, deserve the truth, and I fear you, the family, and friends, aren’t getting that at the moment from anyone with the Aruban police or Dutch government. That much is apparent from the family’s reaction to the “blood in the car” news.
no. no lindsay.
From what I understand DNA testing results under normal circumstances may take up to 5 days. I would assume that considering the situation the FBI would complete the testing much sooner…but I really don’t think that we’ll hear any news about it tonight. Anyone educated in this area???
the presumptive tests take only hours…ie blood typing
Yeah, I met the kid, but like I told GPT, I thought everyone was sketchy that didnt go to MB, maybe that sounds bad, but it’s the truth.
I haven’t been keeping up with the discussion here for a few days. I’ve had other things to do.
I have to say I’m appalled at some of the things people are saying, knowing that this girl’s family and friends are reading.
What good will it do to scream about it being this person’s or that person’s fault? I’m sure anyone who was there, whether chaperone or friend, is feeling bad enough already, even though there wasn’t reasonably anything they could have done.
And for those making snide or harsh comments about Natalee herself: Many of you have done some of the same things that you accuse her of. You don’t know what happened.
As for myself, there are a lot of things that I’ve done in the past that I would prefer the whole world didn’t know about me, as have all of you. I’m just thankful that the circumstances have never been such that everybody was speculating on my character when I wasn’t able to defend myself!
Astrid…your mom does that out of love and maybe also from the “fear” we, as moms, have in hearts especially after stories like Natalee’s happen. I know many young girls who’s moms let them do as they please and that does not make them any happier. I am sure you hear this all the time, but when YOU are a mom, you will understand what I am saying!
i have gone out with two guys in NYC before by myself at 19 yrs. old while on vacation w my parents. Went to bars, even their appt. Luckily nothing happnd. Even though, can’t blame Natalee for doing something a lot of us have done.
it depends what ytype of dna test
Island Bunny - a full workup for DNA takes 6 weeks, normally. They do a less comprehensive analysis which matches a certain number of genomes in a matter of 24 -48 hours.
Astrid, you are at that age where you don’t believe something awful will happen to you. It’s so easy to second guess. My sister was raped by a group of guys she knew for months. You never know what can happen and there will come a time that you will probably think it safe to go around a corner, alone, with a guy for a few minutes. Your mom knows more than you realize and that is why she doesn’t let you out of her sight.
Astrid, their cellphones weren’t working when they got down to Aruba. That’s probably why Natalee didn’t bother to carry hers with her when she went to CnC.
My hope that she is alive lies in what i read on another blog that a searcher saw a girl in a car and a guy chased them away with an ax. —, since you saw her leave, did she get in the front seat?
Legal gambling age is also 18. That didn’t seem to stop 17 year old Joran from gambling & (I assume) drinking. Maybe he managed driving too. He also lied about his age on his web sites.
RB - thanks!
Kerin, you said it well
what?! chased with an ax?!?
Welcome, Island Bunny.
Does this description sound like a familiar area to anyone from Aruba or those who visited…..
the rock formations by the sea (near the big industrial area)?
Joran probably uses fake id’s much the same as people do here in the u.s.
did natalee think he was weird? did she say anything to you about him?
IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou - link to blog please?
I didn’t see her get into the car… I talked to her when we all left the club and asked if she was ok, and she said yeah. I thought she was going to leave with another group of Mtn. Brook kids that were a few feet in front of us, b/c me and a couple others went to check another club to make sure no one got left. I guess she got in the car somewhere between walking with me and going up to the other group.
Didnt Joran about get in a fight with some guys from your school?
concerned mom- Actually, I don’t believe that something awful will not happen to me. But I’d rather die living than not live at all. How can you stereotype my whole, very diverse age group as ‘that age where you don’t believe something awful will happen to you’? Maybe your teenage daughter is like that, but I’m not. I only have a few good friends and I’d trust them all with my life. Two of them are guys, both of whom I’ve known for over 4 years. And frankly, I’d trust them as much as my own parents.. though I guess my dad really doesn’t count, since he’s bipolar/borderline schizophrenic.
joran is also 6′5″ and presents an older image from that I think
anyone on yahoo messenger?
no one has mentioned a motive. i still think she is alive, partly b/c i don’t see why a 17 yr. old would want to kill her
Dallas Also: I wasn’t accusing Natalee of not using her cell phone, I knew that the kids on the trip couldn’t use their cell phones. I was replying to concerned mom about my own safety.. sorry I wasn’t exactly on topic.
MAZ…sounds like the caves to me
i think shes alive inthe caves
He wouldnt want to kill her, maybe he just lost his famous temper and hurt that way
Thanks, CMom
Astrid sounds like my own daughter talking (I even went in to check and see if she was online..LOL). No matter what I said, I know she felt like I was being too protective. Then lately a few things have happened with girls in her school (a few pregnancies, a drug bust, even a murder) and she realized on her own why I am like I am.
(and we live in a very nice area of TX that sounds a lot like Natalee’s hometown)
Joran is hiding behind Daddy’s judge robes. The whole discussion about whether Ms. Holloway “trusted” this one or that one is irrelevant - someone should be mighty p*ssed about the delay arresting these 3 men/boys and preserving any evidence which either could have exonerated them, or found Natalee sooner.
—, tomorrow there will be more posters on this blog from Aruba. They are providing some good local info.
Main thing is, don’t blame yourself. Blame whoever grabbed her. You did good to ask her if she was ok. And you probably wouldn’t have known if she was under the influence of GHB (the date-rape drug). It doesn’t cause unconsciousness, it just makes you lose your logic.
but it didn’t seem like sexual resistance was an issue
I’m not sur ewhich blog. will try to find it again and let you know from where I come, ok?
maybe he raped her, was afriad of going to jail, so killed her. easy as that.
—did she say anything to you about him? like did she have a crush on him?
Astrid, I also work with teens and few are those who see risks realistically. Teens usually believe they are better able to handle things than they actually are. Just the fact that you believe you, at 14, almost 15, are ready for more than your mom KNOWS you are ready for tells me you are not thinking realistically.
I hope they taped that little s-head on the phone talking with his friends.
This is the reason why The aruban police just have to get those guys to break… Look at how all of you are hoping against hope that she is still alive. Imagine her parents… this is just cruel.
IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! Says - thanks, I’d appreciate that.
“Tell me its not true” - Im’ not responding to any of your questions…. your flippant attitude and hurtful posts don’t warrant reply… Don’t ask me questions, I don’t want to talk to you.
KerinTX - There’ve been quite a few murders around my hometown, one was even a few blocks from my house. People I know take drugs. Alot of girls my age in town have had abortions. I haven’t done either of those things, and I still believe what I believe. I know how to stay as safe as I can..
But to both Kerin and concernedmom, thanks for your concern. =)
12 days is a long time
Astrid it isn’t you, some other asshole was just hasseling - - - saying he should have called her. None of them had cell phones and she certainly didn’t have one on her, she didn’t even have a purse.
I don’t know what the heck to think anymore. I would love to think that she is still alive… I would also like to hear that it wasn’t a homicide. But nothing adds up or makes any sense. It’s all speculation.
If these guys were the last to be seen with her and they are being detained..something bad did indeed happen and now theres blood…I dont think the outcome will be good. I don’t think that she was hidden in a cave either…I mean come on. How many days and nights in Arubas heat would you stay hiding in a cave…esp without food or water and possibly hurt. This is a extremely intelligent girl we are talking about here.
she is still alive. wonder what is holding her back
Shawn/Island Bunny, you’re both absolutely right.
Kerin, I understand. My daughter sounded just like Astrid at her age and even when she met a drug dealer at our church youth group, she insisted she knew him better than I did and that he would never get her in trouble. I didn’t buy that one.
uhhh ok, that was harsh.
concerned mom - I’m sorry bad things happened to girls you work with. I just don’t see wy you go places by yourself, though. I’m 5′ 8″ and strong. You’re probably not even as tall as I am. What makes you safer? Age? I’m not naieve.
It is incredible that these 3 little pissants can keep quite for so long and not give up where they put Natalee. I really smell a rat here.
just bc you dont have answers bc you probably werent there doesnt mean you have to get an attitude.
well you are being just as harsh to me, if not worse. Please think about things before you say them… I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings, but you have to understand, my friend is missing and I was one of the last people to talk to her… it’s more than a little bit difficult for me.
concerned mom - I never said I was friends with drug dealers, I just said I know some people who take drugs. I’m not friends with any of them, however. All of my friends are clean, honest teens.
Lola - pissants?
Got a chuckle out of that….and you’re dead o