Barack Obama’s Joe the Plumber Spread the Wealth a kin to John Kerry’s “Global Test” Comment 4 Years Ago


John Kerry to Barack Obama … One Socialist to Another, Same Song Different Candidate.

For anyone actually paying attention and actually holding Barack Obama to his spoken word … Obama’s Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher comment of spread the wealth should be chilling and down right frightening. If you think Obama’s spread the wealth comment reeks of socialism, you would be correct. One should ask themselves how is Obama’s socialism comment regarding distribution of your wealth any different that the 2004 John Kerry gaffe when he said that matters of American foreign policy need to pass a global test? The answer … it isn’t. However, sadly America seems today to have no issue with higher taxes, questionable associations, socialist policies and a presidential candidate who wants America to be just like Europe ultimately passing Kerry’s Global test.

Why was a socialist global test a fatal blow for John Kerry, yet Obama’s socialist economic plan of spreading the wealth ok? Voters should ask themselves that question on their ride to the polls.

There is a reason why “Joe the Plumber” references were abound during last nights third and final Presidential Debate. Joe the Plumber said, “It’s pretty surreal, man, my name being mentioned in a presidential campaign.” The American people may just want to hold Obama accountable on spread the wealth as its only a matter of time before its your wealth that is being redistributed. McCain did not say it, however, I will … do you really believe that a Socialist Democrat like Obama is going to cut taxes? PLEASE!

AMERICA … Joe the Plumber is YOU!!!

The Gateway Pundit explains that in last nights debate between Obama and McCain, it was Joe the Plumber who had the best line of the night … “Obama’s Proposal Scares Me Because It’s Just One More Step Towards Socialism”

ABC: Joe The Plumber: Obama Tax Plan ‘Infuriates Me’

John McCain may have found a blue-collar face to help him argue that no American — not even the richest 5 percent — should pay higher taxes.

“Joe The Plumber” has weighed in on Wednesday’s presidential debate and he says that Barack Obama’s tax plan “infuriates me.”

“To be honest with you, that infuriates me,” plumber Joe Wurzelbacher told Nightline’s Terry Moran. “It’s not right for someone to decide you made too much—that you’ve done too good and now we’re going to take some of it back.”

“That’s just completely wrong,” he added.

The Politico:  Joe the Plumber, encounter with Obama, the Illinois Senator “a tap dance…almost as good as Sammy Davis, Jr.”

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    91 Responses to “Barack Obama’s Joe the Plumber Spread the Wealth a kin to John Kerry’s “Global Test” Comment 4 Years Ago”

    1. Rusty Bridges on October 16th, 2008 6:42 am

      It is the new face of America, the spoiled youth who are used to having everything handed to them. They are being fooled by this sophistic whose roots are sprung from ’60′s black radicalism to overthrow the establishment. These people prey on the ignorant youth who are under the assumption that the know all the answers. Wait until they have to go out on their own and have to pay taxes for themselves.

    2. on October 16th, 2008 7:20 am

      Joe the Plumber represents every American who either owns a small business (like myself) or who dreams one day of that possibility. There are only a few countries where a common person could really hope to realize this dream, and now Barack Obama threatens to just delete that dream overnight.

    3. ldstlou on October 16th, 2008 7:51 am

      Sounded more prosperous than the “trickle down” theory.

    4. MBS on October 16th, 2008 8:06 am

      At this point, I doubt it would matter if Obama came right out and declared himself a socialist. What is wrong with people? I guess we get the government we deserve.

      As far as Obama saying his “spread the wealth” plan will allow people like Joe, when Joe was starting out a few years ago, to get ahead, somehow Joe managed to get to a point where he could buy a business without Obama spreading the wealth, hmmm, wonder how he did that without the government helping him? Oh, maybe he worked hard and saved his money. What a concept.

    5. Cinderella on October 16th, 2008 9:21 am

      Obama has told us everything we need to know about the America he intends to “CHANGE”:

      “Spread the wealth around” SOCIALISM

      “…my Muslim Faith” RELIGION

      “Never heard THAT sermon” RACIAL ISSUES

      McCain may not be a eloquent, but McCain is a tried and true quantity!

    6. Cinderella on October 16th, 2008 9:21 am

      AS eloquent.

    7. Miss-Underestimated on October 16th, 2008 9:31 am

      Can we say Communist…..?
      Kat, we have a family business and we are seriously think of selling this business if Obama becomes president. Our workers here are also worried about the spreading of the wealth. These guys are taxed like crazy too.
      The Germans say that Obama reminds them of Hitler in his charisma, they too in Germany are afraid of Obmama.

    8. Brian Berzai on October 16th, 2008 9:31 am

      I respect your reticence to vote for a socialist candidate (who’d wanna!), and I think McCain’s a great man, and a great candidate, but I think you’ve gotten a little wool pulled over your eyes here. Joe the Plumber is not Joe Six Pack. The reason he’s getting taxed under Obama’s plan is that he makes more than a quarter mill from his small business each year. What kind of “plumber” is this guy anyway?! Does he do drains for Bill Gates or something?

      It’s easy to miss that detail, but when you keep it in mind, Joe clearly doesn’t represent all Americans (unless all Americans make more than $250,00 a year). Come on, man. If you get a room of Americans like you and me together, only one guy in 20 (or 5% of us) is making that much.

      Obama wants to give a tax cut to the *other* 95% of us who aren’t as lucky as Joe the wealthy plumber. It’s not socialist to say, “hey, maybe the rich shouldn’t be the only ones getting tax cuts.” It’s American — and it’s the basic tenet of being a conservative Republican in this great country (leave the middle class’s money alone!). I want to vote for McCain. I want to believe that he’ll cut taxes for me, but so far, the folks who are going to get most of their money back in his tax plan are the greedy corporations (like Exxon and others) that helped get us into the financial mess we’re in today. That’s not American — that’s not democratic — that’s not even fair or just. But you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of all the companies and individuals who made loads of money in the old USSR by “redistributing the wealth” right back into their own pockets. We can do better in our country.

      I love this country, and I’ve always respected and supported GOP candidates, but McCain is disappointing me, and Obama is surprisingly delivering, on tax cuts for folks like me, and 95% of the country, who aren’t Joe the ridiculously wealthy plumber.

    9. MBS on October 16th, 2008 9:50 am

      Brian said: “Joe the Plumber is not Joe Six Pack. The reason he’s getting taxed under Obama’s plan is that he makes more than a quarter mill from his small business each year. What kind of “plumber” is this guy anyway?! Does he do drains for Bill Gates or something?”

      Um, Brian, that’s not what Joe said. He wants to buy a small business that grosses appx. $250k per year, and is concerned about the potential effect of Obama’s policies on his ability to make that business successful if he does buy it. He at no point said he makes $250k per year.

    10. Sharon Chicago on October 16th, 2008 9:50 am

      Cinderella… applause….You are right on the money:

      McCain may not be a eloquent, but McCain is a tried and true quantity!

    11. A New Girl on October 16th, 2008 9:50 am

      #8- Brian—-Care to pontificate on exactly WHY McCain is disappointing you so much. Please try to be specific…… I assume you have legitimate reasons as is your right to think independently and have your own views.

      I am just wondering though—is he disappointing you because he is not as good of a campaigner or orater as Obama….and Obama is just filling the sound bytes and telling you/the Nation all the things they want to hear?

      Talk is just that, talk. Same with Campaign promises and rhetoric….it is the past/current actions which I believe speak louder than words. Last question….have you read either of Obama’s books? You should if you have not already and see for yourself what he was “delivering” there. While you are at it, go on line and access Michelle Obama’s complete thesis when she graduated from Stanford. Then tell me, is that someone who you would be comfortable with as being our First Lady? If you want to read some radical, extremist, reverse-racist, anti-american, hate-mongering words from a very angry woman…you should be quite impressed.

      ***McCain/Bush ’08 ***

    12. scott on October 16th, 2008 10:01 am

      Why do these whack-job liberals twist words? Any plumbing business could make more than $250K! What world do you live in Brian?

    13. MBS on October 16th, 2008 10:02 am

      I’m sorry, if anyone truly believes Obama will deliver any tax cuts to anyone, they are just incredibly naive. Taxes on people making less than $250k might not go up immediately (if Obama manages to make Bush’s previous tax cuts permanent as to those people), but they are not going to go down. And they will eventually go up on everyone who actually makes money and pays taxes. More than a third of Americans pay no taxes at all. Obama is a tax and spend liberal/socialist, and to “spread the wealth” around, he will eventually raise taxes on everyone who actually works and makes money.

    14. MBS on October 16th, 2008 10:06 am

      If you want to know more about how Obama’s tax credit system will discourage productiviy, read this article from the Wall Street Journal:

      “There’s another catch: Because Mr. Obama’s tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge “marginal” tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income.

      Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of “making work pay,” but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you’re a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery — among many — of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama’s 95% illusion to go unanswered.”

    15. txchic on October 16th, 2008 10:18 am

      george soros policy once again… obama is no different than kerry.

      it’s too bad that the “average joe” in america won’t research obama’s plan enough to understand it. we’re headed to socialism quickly if the dems take back the white house.

    16. LilPuma on October 16th, 2008 10:24 am

      I’m re-posting this old quote of Michelle’s to remind people that this is what the Obamas, both Michelle and Barack, believe is the way things should be.

      “The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

      —Michelle Obama, The Charlotte Observer

    17. Rusty Bridges on October 16th, 2008 10:50 am

      #8, Brian, the financial mess that we are in is not because of big corporations getting tax breaks. The reason we are in this mess is because of bad mortgage investments. People that could not afford home loans where approved anyway because of laws that forced banks to give risky loans. Do you want to know who the lawyer was that sued citibank to make that possible?

    18. Susan on October 16th, 2008 10:54 am

      Why should any of us (who actually work for a living) have to give up anything for people who are drug addicts, alcoholics, or just to damn sorry to work for a living, etc.??? We shouldn’t :-)

    19. Freebrid on October 16th, 2008 11:45 am

      Susan I say AMEN!! Why take from the working people and give 2 people who sit on their ass all day doing nothing.. I know a lady who gets what I call a dumass check she also works for a state operated company drawing 2 more pay checks each month she don’t pay nothing but a small percentage of tax, thats 3 checks taking home 2200.00 dollars a month and she has no money in her account within 2 to 3 days cause she blows it now tell me he wants 2 give my hard earned money 2 people like that and others who don’t earn it he makes me sick!!!!!!!!! Hell I’m still waiting on my stimlus check I didn’t get the $600.00 they gave out a year or so ago and I didn’t get the $1200.00 most people got this time.. and as for as health care goes they have been trying 2 get that for years it ain’t happen cause there is no free health care or anyother kind but the kind U PAY for.. how do people think they would get free health care.. by raising taxes.. PEOPLE nothing is for FREE U have 2 get money 2 pay for it some where so lets take from the working people and give 2 the lazy don’t want 2 work people..

    20. BaxterJ on October 16th, 2008 11:51 am

      I don’t know. Someone does have to pay — it’s just a matter of who and how much.

    21. MBS on October 16th, 2008 12:05 pm

      The latest Gallup poll shows McCain closing the gap, Obama’s numbers falling, and that’s before the debate.

    22. Rusty Bridges on October 16th, 2008 12:29 pm

      I just want to know how Obama is going to tell a Doctor how much they are allowed to charge?

    23. Freebrid on October 16th, 2008 12:53 pm

      That’s just it, he can’t tell dr. what 2 charge. He can’t do all this change he’s talking about I guess people forget everything has 2 be passed through congress and the house so if they don’t pass it he can’t change it. Clinton tried 2 do the health care thing but it didn’t work, they couldn’t pass it. And we see how well everything has went down hill sense the demos took over in 2006…… so America if U wnat change I’m sure if Obama gets in there we will have be change.. IT WANT BE FOR THE BETTER!!

    24. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 1:04 pm

      I don’t remember Obama saying anything about free health care. I believe his word was ‘affordable’ health insurance for anyone who doesn’t have insurance provided by his/her employer. Small Business Corporations would get a credit for buying health insurance for their employees and large corporations would be penalized for not providing health insurance to their employees.

      He’s not trying to revamp our medical profession; but, rather, he is going to make sure that every man, woman and child can afford health insurance so they can go to the doctor, instead of ending up in our emergency rooms, which are very expensive. Emergency rooms are not allowed to turn people away, so if they are not being able to pay the bill, those unpaid charges increase the cost of health insurance. If we provide the kind of health insurance that will make it possible for those people to go to doctors, our health insurance will be less expensive.


    25. txchic on October 16th, 2008 1:07 pm

      rusty check out the health care systems in canada & the u.k..

      i know a doctor in canada who’s complained that he not only has a cap on what he can be reimbursed per office visit but the government also limits how many patients they’ll pay him for seeing. why the hell would he put in any extra hours & see more patients if he can’t be paid for it? all this while his patients must wait about 3 months for an appointment.

      it’s all good for the government as it limits the number of visits they’re responsible for.

    26. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 1:08 pm

      The insurance that he’s talking about would be at a group rate… thereby, affordable. Ofcourse, he can’t make people buy health insurance coverage, but for those, responsible citizens that need affordable health insurance, one will be provided.

    27. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 1:11 pm

      That’s not socialism, nor is it socialized medicine. It’s an attempt to make health insurance affordable for everyone.

      I think it’s a great idea!

    28. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 2:07 pm

      Brian Berzai on October 16th, 2008 9:31 am
      I respect your reticence to vote for a socialist candidate (who’d wanna!), and I think McCain’s a great man, and a great candidate, but I think you’ve gotten a little wool pulled over your eyes here. Joe the Plumber is not Joe Six Pack. The reason he’s getting taxed under Obama’s plan is that he makes more than a quarter mill from his small business each year. What kind of “plumber” is this guy anyway?! Does he do drains for Bill Gates or something?

      Are you Joe Biden? He was essentially calling Joe the Plumber a liar today..and we all know Joe Biden wouldn’t ever lie right, he’s been caught in lie after lie? Especially to get in office..

      It was Joe Biden on tape who said trashed Obama and his ideas..It was Hillary Clinton on tape who trashed Obama and his ideas..It was Bill Clinton who blamed the financial mess with houses on the democrats..It was Obama who gave Hillary the finger. and then turn around and kiss each other’s butts to win an election? Give us a break. BTW it was also Joe Biden who said he would be honored to run with McCain, the country would be served well under him, it was Hillary who said John McCain is a good man with experience and Obama has a speech he gave in 2004. It was Bill who said about obama..Give me a break..this is one big fairy tale. If you want to question someone’s behaviour..Take a look at theirs.. That should say it all.

    29. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 2:13 pm

      BTW I am hearing today that the Fed Chairman..may well do what McCain has been talking about.. buying up bad mortgages so people can stay in their homes.. When Hillary mentioned it..Obama trashed it earlier this year..and when McCain mentioned it..Obama was trashing him.. A big name business woman with housing said we need to take care of the mortgages of home owners and keep people in their homes. What would be do with 13 million homeless people? Work with them and get them affordable mortgages..but Obama wanted to complain about that idea.. It would come out of the already 850 billion..and no it hasn’t all been injected in the market already..They are spending it a “little” at a time as needed.

    30. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 2:22 pm

      Watch the CNN anchor give an African American radio host helloooo..for supporting John McCain. The radio host said Democrats have been getting our vote for 20 years 99% and what has a democrat ever done for us..

    31. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 2:41 pm

      For those who think Bush and Clinton hate each other so much.. A few nights ago on Greta’s show.. George Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton were in Galveston.. raising money to help out where the govt. is lacking in funds.. Well, when George Bush Jr..gets out of office he is going to be working with Bill Clinton on the same stuff.. and daddy will be be too.according to Bill Clinton.

    32. super dave on October 16th, 2008 3:16 pm

      foxfire: exactly where are the funds coming from to make this healthcare (affordable) ? he’s going to get it from you and me. the people who make over 250,000.00 a year are not going to let this tax proposal work.
      doctors will not practice in the U.S.under this ridiculous idea. even under barry’s promises the middle and lower class people will still bear the burden. wealthy people( such as barry) have already gotten themselves tax shelters so they pay little or no taxes at all. he knows this well.he has already beat the system. just remember he makes well over 250,000.00 a year and i seriously doubt he will be willing to part with his money.

    33. Sharon Chicago on October 16th, 2008 3:23 pm

      31 Maggie…and I noted Hilary just finally got up to the podium last week to try and support O’Bomba….after all this time…

      I bet all her supporters are now voting for McCain. I totally believe her and Bill are also voting for McCain.

      And all of those who are planning on voting for Barot Huiesan Muhommed O’Bama because they are black and are only voting for him because he is, well they will not end up going to the voting booths. Believe me too many of his fans think he has won aready there for they will not make the effort to go.

      I only hope that McCain does not loose the election because of the corrupted Acorn group
      who have forged peoples names over and over again thinging they can cheat the ballot box.

      Otherwise I am saying I believe McCain is going to be out next President. Thank God!

    34. yoyo muffintop on October 16th, 2008 4:28 pm

      Uh yeah, ok…all 2 pro-birth (no longer pro-life since “health” of the woman has been tossed aside and now considered “extreme” according to McCain) Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.

      Commercial airing today (and a lot more to come, in particular ones highlighting McCain’s “health” remark in swing states):

      “I was raped, and then I got pregnant. Sarah Palin believes the government should be able to force me to carry the pregnancy to term. Sarah Palin believes that the government should make that choice. Not me. Governor Palin, I didn’t have a choice about being raped. But I should have a choice about this.”

      The Obama campaign will be putting a face on the horrible policies and positions of John McCain on abortion in the next 3 weeks. It’s unfortunate McCain pandered to the extreme right-wing by flipping his position on health/rape/incest.

    35. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 4:48 pm

      Super Dave:

      In answer to your question, he is going to give us the opportunity to buy the same insurance as is offered to government employees at the same rate as they pay… a group rate which is substantially lower than an individual rate. Usually, the larger the group the lower the cost.

      It won’t be free, but it will be affordable.


      And, on your point about tax shelters, etc. It was determined long ago that tax shelters are illegal. But, what I found interesting about this tax plan is that it’s being applied to Corporations and to individuals.

      The Corporate tax rates are higher than that of individuals. That is why many corporations will bonus out many of their profits to their shareholders. It sounds like he is going to raise the higher tax-rate schedules for individuals to match that of corporations.

      It’s hard to compare what happened during the Hoover days and ours. The government has already bailed out Wall-Street, which wasn’t done during the Hoover years so I doubt that raising taxes on the big-earners is going to throw this country into a depression. The influx of funds into our economy, should renew it. But, that money needs to be paid back.

      The point that I made, yesterday, is that the wealthy have been undertaxed dollar-for-dollar, compared to the middle class. I think this kind of tax reform (shifting some of the burden back on higher earners) is past due, as it is the middle-class, blue collar workers, that have been the biggest supporters of government for eons.



      Hillary was at the debate last night and was interviewed by CNN. She supports Obama.

    36. yoyo muffintop on October 16th, 2008 5:19 pm

      Fox Fire – If I’m captured by cannibals and they chew part of my arm off but I am somehow able to escape with my detached half-eaten arm would I have more success with McCain or Obama’s plan in getting it reattached?

      In your reality that is a possible senario.

    37. Susan on October 16th, 2008 5:30 pm

      #19 – Freebrid, I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I’ve never heard of a dumass check (I like your name for it…LOL), but I’m sure there’s plenty of folks out there drawing it, i.e., welfare and/or aid to dependent children, SSI, etc.

      The first stimulus check a few years back was for people with children under the age of 16, I believe, so I didn’t see a dime of that one. I did get the $600 this year though :-)

      I don’t know what the answer is for those without health care insurance. My son’s employer is too damn cheap to take it out for his employees and it really makes me sick :-(

    38. on October 16th, 2008 5:49 pm

      Brian: Many small (yes, Brian, small) businesses have revenues of $250,000.00 per year. Do you know what revenue is? It’s not take home pay – it’s the total amount of money the business brings in.

      Think about this. Let’s say you are a small business with a mere 5 employees. You pay each of those employees $30,000 a year. That means out of your $250,000 in revenue you have $150,000 in salaries to pay. Add to that about 10% (which is extremely low) for unemployment taxes, employer social security taxes, etc. and that’s another $15,000 now gone from $250,000. You are now down to $85,000 and you haven’t paid yourself, paid the rent on your building, bought any supplies, paid for a copier, phones, computers, desks, etc. Still think that’s a lot of money? As I said in other posts with $250,000 in revenue, a small business person would be lucky to stick $50,000 of it in their pocket! That’s nothing if you are supporting a family.

      Fire Fox: Affordable health care. Just what is affordable? Is that affordable after you purchase your cable, flat screen TV, dinners out, movies, nice car, healthy mortgage and all the other nice things to have? Or is that affordable by putting first things first and foregoing the nice home, nice car and other non-necessities?

      We all are free to make choices with our money based upon our needs. Under Obama’s plan you lose your choice. You will be required to purchase health insurance for yourself and your kids or you will be penalized. You will be required to purchase health care for your employees (and ignore that baloney from Obama about small businesses being exempt – we’ve just proved that Obama things $250,000 in revenue is a not a small business) or you will be penalized.

      This is not Cuba or Venezuela where the government dishes out the money and tells you what you can and can’t have – well at least not unless Obama gets elected. This is America where people make their own choices with the money they earn.

    39. Richard on October 16th, 2008 6:33 pm

      Remember, folks … no matter WHO promises WHAT in the campaign, it still has to get through Congress. I fear that a Democratic president, coupled with a Democratic-controlled Congress, will really push us over the fiscal brink.

    40. Richard on October 16th, 2008 6:36 pm

      Remember, too, another fact behind the ‘epidemic of uninsured.’

      A lot of young people in their 20s and 30s have the option of getting private health insurance … but simply prefer not to spend the money and to take their chances.

      Should government make their decision for them?

      And if they make this decision, and it later proves to be a mistake, should the government bail them out?

      I’ve heard the same argument raised for unemployment insurance, by the way … make it optional.

    41. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 7:09 pm

      YoYo get over.. Sarah Palin don’t believe in abortions.. unless the mother’s health is in danger. She is following what she believes. She already has said she don’t try to force her religion on others. Every election it’s guns and abortions and neither will be overturned..I’m more P..Off over the ones who sat in Congress and blocked regulations that would’ve kept us from going through this mortgage/money nightmare and put the whole country in danger.

      Pope Benedict recently called the Democratic party the party of death. Nancy Pelosi lied about her religion and their position on abortion.

      Vatican officials seldom single out political leaders who differ with the Church on issues like abortion rights or embryonic stem cell research. But now that the Vatican’s highest court is led by an American, the former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, we can expect things to get more explicit in Vatican City — at least when when it comes to U.S. politics.

      Burke, who was named prefect of the Vatican’s Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signature in June, told the Italian Catholic newspaper Avvenire that the U.S. Democratic Party risked “transforming itself definitively into a party of death for its decisions on bioethical issues.” He then attacked two of the party’s most high profile Catholics — vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — for misrepresenting Church teaching on abortion.

      He said Biden and Pelosi, “while presenting themselves as good Catholics, have presented Church doctrine on abortion in a false and tendentious way.”

      Pelosi drew U.S. bishops’ scorn for saying in a television interview last month that the Church itself had long debated when human life begins. Biden is a practicing Catholic who also supports abortion rights and analysts have said he could help woo wavering Catholics into Obama’s fold. Both argue that they cannot impose their religious views on others.

      Burke said pro-life Democrats were “rare” and that it saddened him that the party that helped “our immigrant parents and grandparents” prosper in America had changed so much over the years.

      Burke made headlines as archbishop of St. Louis for his public attacks on public figures who strayed from Catholic teaching. He suggested during the 2004 presidential campaign that Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, a Catholic, should be denied communion because of his views on abortion. Several bishops said at the time they would not give him communion and the media staked out churches where he attended Mass to see if he received it.

      “Lately, I’ve noticed that other bishops are coming to this position,” Burke told Avvenire, which is owned by the Italian bishops’ conference.

      Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, wrote a letter in 2004 to American bishops restating the Church position that a priest must refuse to distribute communion to a Catholic politician who supported abortion rights. But Burke lamented that the letter was never distributed.

      Burke’s criticism isn’t limited to Democrats. Last year, he accused singer Sheryl Crow of being “a high profile proponent of the destruction of innocent lives” for defending a woman’s right to have an abortion and for being a proponent of stem cell research. He resigned as head of a children’s medical charity that featured the singer for a benefit concert.

      Pope Benedict has been encouraging Catholic bishops to speak out more openly on public policy issues to make the Church’s voice heard. Any bets on when we’ll hear from Burke next?

    42. on October 16th, 2008 7:21 pm

      The other thing to also consider is that while a woman doesn’t ask to be raped, a baby doesn’t ask to be conceived. So if we give the raped mother the “right” to choose, who gives the unborn baby the “right” to choose. Both are human beings, both have rights. When does one right usurp the other?

      IF the raped woman gives birth to the baby, the baby’s “right” to life survives. The raped woman has given up 9 months of her life. The baby can be adopted by many couples wanting a baby.

      IF the raped woman is allowed to abort, she doesn’t have to give up any “rights” but the baby is forced to give up its “right” to life.

      Why on earth should the baby automatically be the loser in this tragic situation?

    43. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 7:29 pm

      Richard on October 16th, 2008 6:36 pm
      Remember, too, another fact behind the ‘epidemic of uninsured.’

      A lot of young people in their 20s and 30s have the option of getting private health insurance … but simply prefer not to spend the money and to take their chances.

      Should government make their decision for them?

      And if they make this decision, and it later proves to be a mistake, should the government bail them out?

      I’ve heard the same argument raised for unemployment insurance, by the way … make it optional.

      Can you imagine the nightmare..?! I’ve been working since I was 17 , paid my way through did my husband. Raised 4 kids, put 2 through college..have 2 more in college.. Sure there were many times I would rather be off..doing other fun things..but I also knew someone had to pay the bills. There were times we did without many things, we didn’t have to have, but would like to have, but you have priorities in life. They tell us with hard work you can achieve the American dream and when you do they want to punish you and take it away from you?

    44. on October 16th, 2008 8:38 pm

      Ah yes and now the MSM and the Left have attacked Joe the Plumber instead of realizing that the story was about the American dream being stolen from those who work for it.

      Reporters descended upon Joe and his life, reporting (falsely) that his boss wasn’t a licensed plumber and that Joe is in violation of his Apprentice application (which also appears to be false). Oh and while they quickly discovered that Joe, a single parent, owes $1100 in back taxes, the same news media has been too busy to report on the Democrat in Fl. having several affairs and of course they were too busy to investigate the John Edwards thing too.

      Next, Barack Obama mocks Joe the Plumber in his rally today! THIS is a man who wants to serve the American people?

    45. Maggie on October 16th, 2008 9:12 pm

      Kata..they also fail to talk about the guy who writes tax laws D.Charlie Rangel..and he’s still sitting in Congress after failing to report income.

    46. yoyo muffintop on October 16th, 2008 9:15 pm

      Obama will tax off your AGI.
      So if your AGI was $50,000 then you would pay $1,042 less in taxes under Obama and $312 less in taxes under McCain according to the Tax Policy Center.

      Sorry to burst your bubble.

    47. on October 16th, 2008 9:21 pm

      Sign the Petition for Barack Obama to prove that he is indeed a US Citizen.

      Court Documents I thought this guy might be a kook, until I read this which appears to be proof that there MAY be an issue with Barack Obama’s Citizenship.

      According to some, since Barack Obama, aka Barry Sorento, was adopted by an Indonesian Citizen who claimed Barry was an Indonesian Citizen in order to register him in school in Indonesia – Barry just may have renounced his US Citizenship unless he declared himself a US Citizen after he reentered the US and was an adult.

    48. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 9:21 pm



      Joe the Plumber wants to serve the American people?


      He’s quite the plumber!



      Yo Yo?

      I don’t think there’s much hope for you, either way…



      No one is going to force you or any of those 20 or 30 year olds to buy health insurance. But, there are people in this country that don’t have it; and need it for themselves and their families, in spite of the fact they’re working a job.

      It’s no fun to lose everything you have because of a long-term illness or to find that your insurance doesn’t cover the procedures necessary to keep you or a family member alive. My daughter used to volunteer at an inner-city hospital that was the best trauma center in the state. She could tell you the horror stories of those that would sit in the waiting room for 18 to 24 hours because their sick child is not a true emergency and, without insurance, they have no other place to go.

      I’m sure the same is true in any major city.

    49. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 9:45 pm


      Have you lost your marbles,

      along with other appendages?


    50. on October 16th, 2008 10:03 pm

      fire fox: get a clue. It’s your boy Barry that says he wants to serve the American people – well at least that’s what a President is suppose to do.

    51. on October 16th, 2008 10:05 pm

      fire fox: once again by your answer to Richard, you are only showing that you don’t know what Barry Sorrento (aka Barack Obama) really stands for. If you don’t have health Insurance, under Obama’s plan you HAVE to buy it or pay a penalty.

    52. yoyo muffintop on October 16th, 2008 10:29 pm

      “Ah yes and now the MSM and the Left have attacked Joe the Plumber instead of realizing that the story was about the American dream being stolen from those who work for it.”

      Spin spin spin.
      Now that everyone knows the plumber was full of shit — tax cheat/not a plumber/relative of Charles Keating(coincidence?)/lived in AZ(coincidence?)/registered republican — wingnut tinfoil hat wearing nuts such as katablog now spin Samuel as “the american dream”.

      Good thing katablog had zero credibility to begin with. Lol.

    53. Fox Fire on October 16th, 2008 10:32 pm


      I was just kidding… see the smiley face.

      I think it’s hilarious that after all the hype over this poor plumber, from Ohio, we find that it was, just that, all hype.


      Can you give me a link to where it says that individuals would be penalized for not buying health insurance?


    54. yoyo muffintop on October 16th, 2008 10:41 pm

      katablog – read about Mr. Berg here:

      btw – Mr Berg is big time into “9/11 for the truth” which believes 9/11 was a conspiracy by GWB and the federal gov’t.

      But thanks for playing katablog.

      If you believe Mr Berg about Obama’s citizenship then you believe him about 9/11 as well.

    55. yoyo muffintop on October 16th, 2008 11:17 pm

      #42 – How can a girl who has been raped or is the victim of incest be forced to keep a child inside her that was brought to her in such a horrific way?
      You would force a 10yr old victim of rape/incest to carry a baby that could threaten her life if she carried it to full term?
      Remove the last of the girl’s innocence?

      That’s sick imo!

      Even if your pro-life there should always be special provisions for rape/incest.

      Sad that McCain is now pandering to the extreme right wing base because he took that position in 2000.

    56. Ray on October 17th, 2008 1:49 am

      obama wants to take the American dream away from the ones that earned it and give it to one that didnt. A president obama will teach america a lession it will never forget,and will long regret.

    57. scott on October 17th, 2008 5:31 am

      Hey yoyo dipwad…you don’t have to be a license and be a plumber. You can be a plumber or any other trade and work for a guy with a license.

      F Obama and his elitist attitude towards the middle class, with his “what kind of plumber makes a quarter million dollars” comment! You know what you socialist pigs; the kind of plumber or iron worker or pizza palor owner that can make $250K a year are the ones who own a SMALL BUSINESS!

      It’s is unbelievably how clueless you moron left wing tree-hugging clowns are…. You want more government in your lives telling you how to live your life….you want the government to take money from your hard earned work and give it to the 40% of Americans who do not have a tax liability. Your hard earned work will go in the form a welfare check to these people each month!

    58. MBS on October 17th, 2008 7:06 am

      People need to realize that this election is nothing less than a choice between the free enterprise system and socialism. According to Mona Charen:
      “While voters have grown accustomed to Obama’s face, they don’t yet know his true beliefs. McCain should have linked Obama firmly to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, and stressed that the contest has become one between, on the one hand, the traditional American approach to the economy, which strongly favors the free market with appropriate regulation; and on the other, the European brand of socialism, which is government-heavy, bureaucratic, and intrusive. He should have said that we have arrived at a fork in the road and the decision voters will make on Nov. 4 will have consequences for decades.”

      Anyone thinking of voting for Obama, PLEASE do some research on what he is really all about. America’s free enterprise system is not perfect, but it’s way better than any other system out there. Don’t be fooled by promises of free handouts. Those free handouts come at the expense of businesses and people who create jobs. You take too much away, then the jobs disappear. It’s not that hard to figure out.

    59. yoyo muffintop on October 17th, 2008 8:35 am

      If a plumber makes $250,000 a year, under Obama’s plan that person would pay zero more than they currrently are.

      I guess that fact escapes some.

    60. on October 17th, 2008 8:37 am

      YoYo repeating the Left’s smears on Joe the Plumber is only an attempt to get off the message. Obama entered Joe’s neighborhood – Joe didn’t go seeking Obama. Joe is NOT related to Charles Keating, but so what if he was? does that change that Obama’s tax plan would increase the tax burden of small businesses? THAT is the point. The Point is NOT Sam’s personal life.

      here’s some things the Left MSM forgot to correct for you.

      Oh, and speaking of tax liens , here’s another one for you. Notice this guy’s job because he makes just a bit more than Joe.

    61. Alesia on October 17th, 2008 8:49 am

      I am part of america and I’m nothing like Joe the plumber, All my taxes are up to date thats owed to the govn. and I don’t pretend to be a plumber when I’m not
      Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — “Joe the plumber,” the Toledo, Ohio, man whose complaints about Barack Obama’s tax plan were featured in the final presidential debate, owes the state of Ohio almost $1,200 in back income taxes.

      According to records on file with the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas, the state filed a tax lien against Samuel J. Wurzelbacher for $1,182.98 on Jan. 26, 2007, that is still active.

    62. on October 17th, 2008 8:59 am

      Alesia: does it mean anything to you that Obama’s Treasurer owes almost twice as much in tax liens?

      #54 Yo Yo – did you catch that I’m not going on what Berg says but rather what the API is now claiming they have tapes of Michelle Obama saying?

    63. Richard on October 17th, 2008 9:13 am

      I don’t have an answer to the whole issue of health insurance … don’t even know what all of the questions are.

      I’m just saying that the headline statistics are always subject to review, and that most claims by either side are usually partisan.

      Only a few weeks to go until the election … and no matter who gets in (and one or the other will), I’m sure that some of the promises will be kept and some won’t, or some will have to wait.

      Meanwhile, I wonder if we ever will find out how much money, on the national, state, and local levels, went into spending for TV ads?

      Here’s my proposal … from now on, given the exploding federal deficit, every dollar that is spent on political TV advertising should be matched by that candidate’s giving a dollar to reduce the federal deficit.

      Now, THAT would be worthwhile political spending!

    64. Alesia on October 17th, 2008 9:15 am

      # 60 That link you supplied was from the website “Stop the ALCU” which is an racist anti-minority website I can see why you are voting for McCain.I guess ignorance really is bliss

    65. MBS on October 17th, 2008 9:22 am

      The only fact about Joe the Plumber that matters is Obama’s response to Joe’s question. Obama’s goal is to “spread the wealth around,” take from the rich and give to the poor in the form of refundable tax credits. That is only the beginning. Obama’s goal is pure socialism. The only issue is whether Americans are ready to abandon the free enterprise system for a European style socialistic system, which hasn’t worked very well for European countries.

    66. MBS on October 17th, 2008 9:29 am

      For all the Obama supporters attacking Joe the Plumber’s licensing and tax issues, does it not bother you at all that this man is being vilified for doing nothing more than criticizing Obama’s tax plan? He’s an ordinary citizen, who does not like Obama’s tax plan, therefore, he must be attacked. Doesn’t that bother anyone else?

    67. super dave on October 17th, 2008 9:34 am

      question for barry’s supporters: when you call certain help lines (computers, telephone, etc.) and you are talking to someone from india, china,japan,mexico.etc.,and you get pissed off because they can’t speak understandable english, do you wonder why ?
      it’s because businesses are under the highest tax brackets recorded in history. therefore they move their business to another country. and you support the cause of this blindly like animals to slaughter.
      if barry told you guys that crap tastes good, you would eat it. will you burn our flag and diss the country ? think about it, you and your messiah are going to destroy your own country and you will suffer the most for having participated.

    68. Alesia on October 17th, 2008 9:37 am

      Let me put it this way about the hiking the taxes for the rich ( in 4-yr old terms )If I go to the grocery store and buy 100.00 dollars worth of groceries then it stands to reason that I will have to pay more taxes for my $100.00 in groceries than Joe’s (buying his six pack) 5.00 worth purchase standing behind me in line. So if a rich guy buys 3 vehicles and a boat and his regular home, summer home, and mountain cabin then he should understand he will have to pay more taxes for those non-necessity luxuries than I have to pay in tax for my one home, (that I’m lucky to keep up with the morgage on)and my one vehicle. Period its that simple !!!!!!

    69. MBS on October 17th, 2008 10:26 am

      Alesia, you do understand there is a difference between sales tax and income tax, right? And what Obama plans to do is not just impose higher tax rates on people who make over $250k (for now, look for that figure to be lowered soon after he takes office), but then to turn around and give that money to people making less money in the form of refundable tax credits. That’s a welfare system, although he pretends that it is not. We tried being a welfare state back in the 70s, and it didn’t work out very well.

    70. Freebrid on October 17th, 2008 10:28 am

      Susan I call it her dumass check because there really isn’t anything wrong with her.. she is alittle slow but only because she was a late in life child and her mom, dad, and sister always did everything for her and they always told her she couldn’t do this or that.. when it comes 2 her wanting something or do something theres not a thing wrong with her.. she is always sick on the 1st day of every month so she can stay out of work 2 go shopping.. she plays everybody.. I know there are people out there that needs this money each month but she has a job and still gets this check and I don’t think its fair 2 all the Americans that actually work for there money.. I would like a free check every month and have a day off 2 go blow it.. if obama wants 2 stread the wealth maybe he should check into some of these check 2 pass out 2 people..

    71. SUPER DAVE on October 17th, 2008 11:25 am

      ALESIA: you still don’t get it. the rich are not going to let this happen. barry can’t do this without approval from congress, the rich pour money into the government at an alarming rate.
      barry is not going to disturb his own nest.
      he’s getting votes from people like you just to get into office, then you will not count any more.
      the only people he intends to benefit from this are black.

    72. MBS on October 17th, 2008 12:44 pm

      Super Dave, don’t be too sure. If you want something to worry about, it’s the US Senate. Hillarycare and card check and much of the other nonsense from the House in recent years was stopped there. If President Obama has sixty votes in the Senate, he can bypass any filibuster and essentially govern like a dictator. In my opinion, we all have reason to worry.

    73. Freebrid on October 17th, 2008 2:17 pm

      Joe from Ohio tells Obama the way he feels and ask him a question and what happens Obamas rats go and start digging up trash on the man..

    74. on October 17th, 2008 2:34 pm

      # 60 That link you supplied was from the website “Stop the ALCU” which is an racist anti-minority website

      Honey, the truth is the truth. But do tell us just why everything that disagrees with “the one” is always anti-minority and racist.

      If you don’t like people that don’t pay their taxes, you ain’t gonna like this

      Did you think Jeremiah Wright was racist? Why not? Do You think yelling “racist” every time you disagree with someone is racist?

    75. Mr. Bridge to Nowhere McCain / Palin on October 17th, 2008 3:11 pm

      Joe the Plumber,
      I don’t see what he’s really worried about. He makes $40K a year…he would end up paying less taxes under Obama.(If he actually paid his taxes anyway)
      Currently he pays about 25% in taxes…if he made 250K or more under current terms he would pay 33%. Even if you tack on an extra 3% for making over $250K how much extra would that take out of his check? A few hundred dollars a check? It doesn’t matter who’s plan we’re on seems like the rich get richer..and the poor get poorer. Under McCains plan..the rich get even richer though…

    76. Maggie on October 17th, 2008 4:44 pm

      YoYo,,, just what I said… unless the mother’s life was in danger..

      #42 – How can a girl who has been raped or is the victim of incest be forced to keep a child inside her that was brought to her in such a horrific way?
      You would force a 10yr old victim of rape/incest to carry a baby that could threaten her life if she carried it to full term?

    77. Howard on October 17th, 2008 5:03 pm

      An American citizen should be able to ask Obama
      a question, without being crucified by the Obama campaign.
      Obama is ahead in the polls, but are the polls
      a realistic reflection of what will actually happen
      in the voting booth? Obama is outspending McCain
      3 to one … He has 90% of the media in his pocket
      … he has 98% of the black vote … he has voter fraud
      on his side, with groups like Acorn … and yet the
      election is still close. So far, all the conclusions by all the
      pundits are totally based upon POLLS. Not a single actual vote
      has been cast yet. Obama supporters gush at how
      well their man has done in the debates, which proves
      once again that Obama is a good debater and a good
      speaker. It doesn’t say anything about his character,
      judgement, or what kind of a leader he would be.
      I still would rather trust a man who would not sell out
      his fellow prisoners, even during 5 years of torture,
      than to trust a man who betrayed a 20 year friendship,
      for personal ambition. And … regarding this election,
      until people actually vote … it ain’t over till it’s over

    78. Maggie on October 17th, 2008 5:14 pm

      Watche a guy from the tax foundation today and he said Obama’s tax policy is misleading. He said an area the size of the midwest would get tax breaks, while the rest of the country pays the govt. Needless to say he wasn’t impressed.

    79. Maggie on October 17th, 2008 5:20 pm

      btw, he said it would be the widest redistribution of wealth this country has ever seen.

    80. Maggie on October 17th, 2008 5:50 pm

      Alesia on October 17th, 2008 9:15 am
      # 60 That link you supplied was from the website “Stop the ALCU” which is an racist anti-minority website I c

      Well if the ACLU is a racist antiminority club..better tell the left..because that is where the most of their support comes from.

      AcLu..per wikipedia..most of their support comes from the left..

      Religious liberty: Defends the individual rights of Americans of all religions to practice and/or display affirmations of their faith in public, but not on public property with government sponsorship or endorsement.[43][44]

      The decriminalization of drugs such as heroin, cocaine and marijuana.[45]

      Separation of church and state; under this mandate, the ACLU:

      Opposes the government-sponsored display of religious symbols on public property.

      Opposes official prayers, religious ceremonies, and some kinds of “moments of silence”[46] in public schools or schools funded with public money.

      Full freedom of speech and of the press, including school newspapers.

      Abolition of capital punishment.[47]

      Reproductive rights, including access to contraception and abortion.

      Full civil rights for LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people, including government benefits for same-sex couples equal to those provided for heterosexual ones.

      Affirmative action as a means of redressing past discrimination and achieving a racially diverse student body.[48]

      The rights of defendants and suspects against unconstitutional police practices.
      Privacy as it “works to preserve the American tradition that the government not track individuals or violate privacy unless it has evidence of wrongdoing.”[49]

      Immigrants’ rights by “challenging unconstitutional laws and practices, countering the myths upon which many of these laws are based.”[50]

      Concerning the Second Amendment, specifically gun control, the ACLU embraces the States’ Right Model interpretation of the Second Amendment, which only recognizes a state’s right to possess firearms, the organization officially declares itself “neutral” on the issue of gun control, pointing to previous Supreme Court decisions such as United States v. Miller to argue that the Second Amendment applies to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, and that “except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of firearms by individuals is not constitutionally protected.”[51]

      The ACLU has for years been a controversial organization by nature,[56] with most of their support coming from the left and opposition from the right.

    81. on October 17th, 2008 7:07 pm

      would be the widest redistribution of wealth this country has ever seen

      The good thing about this Maggie is that IF it happens (and I’m sorry, I’m not convinced that the majority of Americans, even with the cheaters, are dumb enough to vote this guy in) – we can be assured that it won’t happen for long.

      Businesses and hard working Americans will bail on producing for the benefit of the masses as quickly as they can. I’m already setting up for the worse case and will close my business if necessary. I assure you, many other will also. Pretty soon there won’t be anyone producing wealth to be redistributed.

    82. on October 17th, 2008 7:10 pm

      Well if the ACLU is a racist antiminority club..better tell the left..because that is where the most of their support comes from.

      Actually Maggie the link I gave was to STOP the ACLU – which is Alesia’s problem – there is actually a counter balancing agency to the ACLU – the left wing propaganda machine.

    83. A New Girl on October 17th, 2008 7:22 pm

      #77-Howard. Excellent points in your post…I agree…it ain’t over till it’s over….and just like the Red Sox last night in the bottom of the 9th…..we can pull out a miracle and somehow forge ahead.

      I just hope most Americans really have been paying attention to everything you posted…it’s very true. If simple common sense as you applied wieghs in heavily on Nov. 4th- perhaps we can watch John McCain & Sara Palin get sworn in next January.

      Thanks for sharing those thoughts, Howard.

      * A New Girl * Boston, MA

    84. Maggie on October 17th, 2008 8:06 pm

      sorry about that Kata..I agree with you. That old talk of one not voting for Obama.. is a racist bs..and old..

    85. Fox Fire on October 17th, 2008 9:11 pm

      Howard and Maggie:

      I agree with you. To say that anyone that doesn’t vote for Obama is a racist is stupid. To vote for him, simply, because he’s black is just as stupid. I was watching the news the other night and they talked about this, very, thing. They said that, even though, Obama is ahead in the polls, doesn’t mean he’ll win.


      New Girl?

      What if we find out, it’s true; and he’s not a U.S. citizen, then what?


      What a mess!


    86. Fox Fire on October 17th, 2008 9:38 pm

      It’s not that I’m stupid or thick headed…

      I’m a democrat, through and through.



    87. on October 18th, 2008 9:38 am

      #86: voting for a party, without analyzing what that party stand for – and more importantly what the candidate of that party stand for, whether he can be trusted, represents American and you ideals – that’s thick headed.

      How would you feel if you heard me say that I was voted for a Republican regardless of who he/she were and what they stood for?

    88. chris on October 18th, 2008 11:13 am

      Many weeks ago I wrote that if anybody were to look seriously into Obama’s health plan, they would see that it’s nothing but socialized medicine. I was raised in Germany and until age 17, when I came to the States, I was in that system. Let me tell you that to this day I have a very serious health problem that doctors there didn’t feel was important for a specialist to intervene. I was fortunate that after many weeks I was finally able to see the first doctor. When you’re told how many times you’re allowed to see a physician each year, you best make sure you don’t get sick too often or have a chronic illness as do I.

      As for his distribution of wealth, there can’t be another word for it but socialism.
      Can you imagine what our lives will be when you have a Senate, a Congress and a White House in power?
      Think long and hard about the choice you have to make.

    89. da_wench on October 21st, 2008 2:14 pm

      Super Dave’s plan is for the rich to stay rich and the poor to continue to take it up the ass.

      Yoyo…you’re a real PITA when it comes to the NH matter, but we’re on the same page in politics.

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