Search for Natalee Holloway:Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … New Witness in Aruba, Discusions with Prosecutor Hans Mos & Polygraph Exams


Why does Aruba after all this time and bad PR still not want to cooperate and find Natalee Holloway?

As was previously reported, Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch had traveled this past Tim_Miller_Sylvesterweek to Aruba to meet with Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos to discuss some recent breaking events in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Please note that Tim Miller will be a guest tonight, Hurricane IKE pending, to discuss his meeting with Hans and the new information in the Natalee Holloway case.

Tim Miller met with Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos to discuss and show Mos in person the results of the polygraph exams conducted in Houston, TX.  Miller discussed with Mos the new witness who had come forward and the fact that the 48 year old witness had passed two polygraph exams. However, Hans Mos was quick to point out to Tim Miller that polygraph tests are not looked upon favorably or have much credibility in Aruba. Hans Mos also questioned why after all this time the witness came forward. Miller pointed out to Mos that this witness had previously come forward to the ALE; however, this point seems to be in question. According to our accounts this witness had previously come forward and was turned away. Interesting? Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch want to search the pond are in question that suddenly is now going to be excavated by the Aruban government after word got out that an unidentified Aruban witness traveled to the US to potentially help in the Natalee Holloway case. These searches and digs would be at no cost to Aruba. So why won’t Aruba allow this pond to be searched?

Natalee Holloway 2

From all accounts Hans Mos was none to happy with Tim Miller’s presence in Aruba and the bringing up of the Natalee Holloway case. As Tim Miller stated, “Hans, all we want to do is search this area first and have a member of the ALE there when it happens. It will cost Aruba nothing. We want to do this before the government comes in with their heavy equipment and ruins the point of interest forever.” Although Tim Miller has left Aruba, the efforts to search this area and put an injunction to stop any digging there is far from over. According to Tim, one of the major reasons for his early departure was to get home to Houston, TX and baton down the hatches and prepare for Hurricane Ike.


Hans Mos

The question arises as to why Mos would be unhappy with Tim Miller’s presence on Aruba. Maybe some of it had to do with the Diario article that came out this week regarding the new witness. Doesn’t Mos want to solve the case of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance? Hasn’t Mos stated in the past that a witness needs to come forward? One would think that Mos would want to follow a new lead that could potentially solve the case of missing Natalee Holloway so that Aruba could get on with their existence without the “dark cloud” over their island. Hans Mos had stated to Miller that polygraph exams are not deemed credible in Aruba. Really?

To use the words Aruba and credible in the same sentence when discussing and investigation is the definition of irony. On an island where they do not find suspects lying of what they intially did with Natalee Holloway credible, or implicating innocent black security guards in a crime credible, or continually changed suspect statements credible, or even confessions to the crime from the very mouth of Joran Van der Sloot credible … now a potential new witness comes forward and Mos says that polygragh exams are not credible. Unbelievable.

Aruba NH weather

Whether one considers a polygraph exam credible or not, it is the job of investigators and the prosecutor to determine whether this witness is credible and has an accurate accounting of what may have happened. Until they prove this witness is not credible …. this witness is credible. It really speaks volumes as to why the Aruban prosecutor would find reasons to discredit a witness as opposed to be excited that a potential witness could break and solve the case. Things that make you go hmmm … and the reason why Aruba will forever be under a dark cloud of suspicion.

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    47 Responses to “Search for Natalee Holloway:Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … New Witness in Aruba, Discusions with Prosecutor Hans Mos & Polygraph Exams”

    1. The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Friday, September 12, 2008 - Dana Introduces “Justice Interrupted” Tonight With Stacy Dittrich, Susan Murphy-Milano and Robin Sax | Scared Monkeys on September 12th, 2008 12:35 pm

      [...] case that has passed polygraph exams. Miller will be discussing his meeting with Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos. Weather permitting, Tim will also be providing us with an update from Houston, TX as to Hurricane [...]

    2. Von Kitty Kat on September 12th, 2008 12:54 pm

      Where is this ” Pond ” ?

    3. libby on September 12th, 2008 12:56 pm

      Well, I didn’t have a lot of faith in what the witness was saying…but now that Hans doesn’t want the area searched and going to be excavated, that says something. They need to sink that island.

    4. Jan on September 12th, 2008 1:08 pm

      What scum……….. Hans Mos looks like a little geek anyways.

    5. libby on September 12th, 2008 1:36 pm

      If I were Greta or Nancy Grace I would be all over this one. This is amazing. The actions of the so called officials in Aruba never cease to amaze me.

      We have a witness, who places Joran at the scene, has information about Paulus, has passed a lie detector test, the times the witness saw Joran corresponds with the times originally given as to when Paulus picked Joran up and there would be no cost to Aruba for the search.

      Low and behold now the place has to be excavated??? And, they don’t want to let Tim and his crew search before they excavate???

      We are never going to get justice from the ****** island.

    6. Rambo on September 12th, 2008 1:37 pm

      WHY is Mos unhappy about Equsearch’s return to Aruba?

      Well obviously Mos is on the take, like the rest of the Aruban authorities are.

    7. Sharon Chicago on September 12th, 2008 1:51 pm

      Natalee’s justice will come forth….God loves justice!… stand by and watch and see!

    8. brie. on September 12th, 2008 2:05 pm

      Can you even believe it, well yes…what a disgusting POS….they wouldn’t even know how to use a polygraph…I think our gov’t needs to put a halt against excavating the pond, the man came to the US seeking we are involved.

      Not wanting you to search makes one believe Natalee might be there, no cost to them. I guess we are back to tourism, they don’t want the publicity. Why not get it solved and rectified…in their crooked government it is more important to protect Paulus, who does all your dirty work…

    9. Maggie on September 12th, 2008 2:16 pm

      Tim should of asked Mos, Sloots, Kalpoes, Dompig, Jacobs, VanderStraten, Janssen, Renfro, AHATA, Croes, Oduber, the judges, Koen, Freddie, Guido would all take 2 polygraph tests from this guy? My guess not one would say yes. Mos has done nothing, but be a PR person to say we are working on it.

      When they were searching before, an 18 year old tourist is missing all they are worried about is turtle eggs. When Tim was out in the water and they needed another piece of equipment, but needed ok from Dompig to get it from the FBI.. Dompig wouldn’t call. When the dump was being searched and the equipment broke down, when they went to get more equipment, the dump was filled in again, when Tim wanted to search the Sloots Paulus got mouthy with Tim, when he went to the Kalpoes, they wouldn’t allow it. AND yet these people claim they want the truth and want to solve this and find the answers.. How Paulus Van der Sloot is allowed to practice law in Aruba is a joke. He is the one who took his underage son out that night to a casino, gambling and drinking and in his own words left him. He claimed because he didn’t want his son to be home alone( yeah sure) Next night he took everyone on a wild goose chase away from the house for over an hour , no mention of the son or leaving him home alone, and he could’ve said Joran get home the cops are here to talk to you..

      I am so glad Tim is still there for Natalee.

    10. misskatie on September 12th, 2008 2:29 pm

      hans mos has been paid off handsomely now to keep things from going foward… it so appears.I have no faith that we will see justice.. sorry to be negative… maybe I can be proved wrong
      I SO WISH

    11. brie. on September 12th, 2008 2:42 pm

      Poor Tim looking for Caylee and conducting a search, then off to Aruba and now he has the hurricane to deal with…we all love Tim our prayers are with you…how much can one individual endure….we need Tim, and for his own well being I think he needs some time off for R & R…and I hope he does just that…dealing with Aruba alone would be a monumental strain…

      Hans will do whatever he is instructed to do via Aruban gov’t, some proseutor…these people are the ruthless of all…how any American can spend any dollars over there is beyond me…

    12. A New Girl on September 12th, 2008 3:04 pm

      Someone posted a pretty good analogy on the NH formum yesterday:

      Hans Mos is really just Karen Janssen with a pecker.


    13. brie. on September 12th, 2008 3:52 pm

      Hans, what a miserable liar, and we all thought you were a good guy at first, what a joke…you can’t seem to find information provided by a witness… how much did Paulus dump into your bank account or did the Aruban government do it…anyway, one of same…

      They must be hiding something really big to go to the great lengths they seem to portray.

      What a shame for the Holloways, maybe Tim will be able to come back and continue his search, that is if they haven’t destroyed everything..

      What about this witness, he went to great lengths to tell his story, will he be harmed, he is up against the mob….hopefully the people of Aruba will join him. to bring the truth to the surface…!!!

    14. brie. on September 12th, 2008 4:11 pm

      #12…he looks like a freakin’ pickle, I guess the pecker would show up as a bump…!!!

      I don’t know how Tim can even deal with this heartless, uncaring, corruptive group of people..

      All of this only makes the boycott grow even stronger…more people have to come forward to help the witness, and I am sure they are out there…but too afraid of their government…what a horrible life to live…

      Aruba is now overrun by immigrants who bring nothing positive to their well being and furthermore destroying their country….but the gov’t doesn’t care they will just take their money and run….

    15. Brenda from Virginia on September 12th, 2008 4:23 pm

      Is thre anything that can be done to stop the escavation? It speaks volumes that Aruba is doing this. Same as Casey Anthony’s silence speaking volumes about what’s most important to her, and it’s not her daughter. Aruba is screaming to the world that solving the Natalee Holloway case is of no importance to them.

    16. on September 12th, 2008 4:36 pm

      I agree that there’s something very fishy going on with Hans Mos.

      Hint to Aruba: if you want the case to go away for good – let someone solve it. Otherwise this case will continue to rear its ugly little head from time to time and put more stink on Aruba. Get the inevitable over. How long can you keep that sock in Joran’s mouth? He will talk again, it’s merely a matter of time.

    17. The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Friday, September 12, 2008 - Dana Introduces “Justice Interrupted” Tonight With Stacy Dittrich, Susan Murphy-Milano and Robin Sax. Also Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch and Jossy Mansur of Diario D on September 12th, 2008 6:13 pm

      [...] case that has passed polygraph exams. Miller will be discussing his meeting with Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos. Tim Miller will also be discussing TES’s recent searching in the case of missing Caylee [...]

    18. Patti on September 12th, 2008 6:57 pm

      My first reaction when I read this article is that Hans Mos just doesn’t get it… To many of us, this isn’t about a trial, a prosecution or what has proven to be a broken down justice system on an island who’s mother protects him…. we know these things exist and much, much more.

      It’s about FINDING Natalee!

      What’s wrong with these Arubans? Have they no understanding of the difference between right and wrong… or is it that they, simply, don’t care if Natalee is found or not? Maybe it’s both happening at the same time… But, in my opinion, it is THIS insensitivy and hard nosed attitude that will keep tourists out of Aruba for decades to come!

      Makes me want to hollar…


    19. Patti on September 12th, 2008 7:05 pm

      I’ve thrown away the transcript long ago; but didn’t Simian say the police were at the reservoir and that it didn’t look good for the boy as they were finding carcasses and the heads of animals? Will someone please look? I believe it was at the beginning of the posts and I think he said it was the reservoir in Noord.


    20. Richard on September 12th, 2008 7:54 pm

      Earlier today, it was said that there are searches going on in Aruba. Is there anyone who can clarify the situation?

      So an American organization offers to do a search at no cost to Aruba. And the chief prosecutor, who reportedly gave a cold shoulder to the person making the claim of seeing Joran walk down the road, is anything but receptive.

      Does anyone … can anyone … still believe that this case is as simple as “get Joran, get Paulus, get the Kalpoes”?

      It seems crystal clear to me that something bigger is involved. They’re continuing to impede our efforts to protect … who? Some punk kid(s) who are an embarrassment to that island?

      Some failed wannabe judge who didn’t get the appointment? If he was so powerful, he would have been a shoo-in for the position … but he didn’t get it.

      Methinks the waters are a lot murkier yet.

      Are the Dutch searching? After all, Aruba did say that the investigation was under their jurisdiction … so can it impede the Dutch?

      As always, confusion and double-talk seem to reign. Would that our government would think that this sort of thing deserved a response.

      Instead, Aruba is probably running to offer itself as a listening post on Venezuela … of course, at a hefty “subsidy.”

      Let’s dust off our fountain pens and get ready to write….

    21. Richard on September 12th, 2008 7:56 pm

      And what’s the deal with this excavation? Can SM ask Jossy Mansur what is going on there?

      Reminds me of the fires and the backhoe digging that sprung up in the dump after Dave Holloway led the search there….

    22. Richard on September 12th, 2008 7:58 pm

      Frankly, I’m wondering if so much information about this new witness should be given out.

      We heard about the area where he lived; now we learn that he is 48 years old ….

      Everything revealed makes it easier for Aruba to track him down. Too paranoid? Perhaps; but would anyone on this site trust the Aruban government to give an honest answer about the weather, much less this case?

    23. Steve Holloway on September 12th, 2008 9:49 pm

      Par for the course. More of the same old song and dance. I’m tired of this run around.

      Just where would Joran get all the money he would blow many times a week for drinks, gambling, eating? I believe he paid for the drinks when Deepak and his brother took Joran to C&C and then paid for Natalee’s. I think that was over 70 dollars worth and thats not counting the d. r. drug he paid for if thats what happen. All the trips him and his family took to Holland? The Lawyer fees? This picture is much larger than what we see now.
      I pray that God’s will, be done and pray for his protection on the ones coming forward and our families. I pray that God will bring justice soon in Jesus name amen.

    24. Mike on September 13th, 2008 12:01 am


      Mos is strictly a peckerhead. He has NO balls!!

    25. Open a Window on September 13th, 2008 12:29 am

      Why are these officials afraid to find Natalee? What is it that they fear? I do not understand. Even if her body shows signs of beating, stabbing, gunshots, it would be very difficult to link that to anyone, now. Let her remains be found and given to her family.

      Mr. Mansur aside, is there not ONE hero on this island? Not one honorable person who will lead us to Natalee?

      Aruba will never have peace until Natalee is home where she belongs.

    26. Carpe on September 13th, 2008 4:52 am

      Natalee’s story will never die. Aruba hung itself on international television long ago along with
      the gang-raping murdering Van der sloot and Kalpoe families.

      Today they live in 80 percent poverty and have to steal from and kill the few remaining unfortunate clueless idiot tourists that do go.

      (some do still go – but not many – ha)

      I said many moons ago, after the injustices committed on Natalee Holloway and her family,
      that Arubans need to learn how to start eating
      large heaping piles of chit and like it.


      All is well that ends well! -Hyacinth Rudy Croes

    27. Vicki on September 13th, 2008 6:08 am

      Steve#23- you are such a wonderful person. You and your whole family. The truth will come out and the EVIL SEEDY SIDE of this Island will be brought out. NATALEE didnt die in vain, but for a bigger picture. These are animals that control the DARK side of that NASTY place and GOD DOES NOT LIKE UGLY….God bless you and DAVE and BETH….

    28. Poochy on September 13th, 2008 6:20 am

      #20 Patti Here’s your Simian post.

      Funny, the Texans DO know where to start their search and Aruba won’t let them!

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:16 pm
      The water reservoir in Noord is very busy. The boy is not right. There is so much stuff on him. I don’t know what I should relay to you people. I fear the worst. The Texans don’t know where to start.

    29. Poochy on September 13th, 2008 6:29 am

      Question to folks living on Aruba:

      Have you ever picketed or protested your government officials for NOT letting witnesses in this case speak, or for NOT letting Equusearch search, in this case the pond?

      Are you there now picketing and protesting in front of that pond so the entire world will know that YOU- the people of Aruba – want this pond searched to put an end to this case once and for all?

      Oh that’s right — I so totally forgot people of Aruba — you ONLY picket and protest against the mother of a missing girl when she comes to your island.


      To #12 – maybe, but definitely has no balls!

      (FYI my Prev post about Simian was to Patti #19, not #20)

    30. Richard on September 13th, 2008 8:48 am

      I think somewhere in the Bible there’s a saying about evil defeating evil … something like that.

      If Venezuela does launch some action against Aruba … well, I for one won’t be sad about it.

    31. Richard on September 13th, 2008 8:53 am

      Poochy (#29) … In Beth’s book, there is a reference to this phenomenon (pages 191-192):

      “…the night before I am to leave for this mid-October meeting on the island, attorney Helen (last name not given) calls with a desperate warning not to come….

      She begs me not to tell. ‘If you say I told you about this, I will have to move there and rent a bedroom from you.’

      The dark influence. It’s so apparent. She is scared of something. Or someone.”

      Is anyone going to say that this darkness over Aruba is only to protect a failed wannabe judge and a few punk kids? Believe it if you want to; I won’t.

    32. misskatie on September 13th, 2008 8:57 am

      as is our prayers for a finely . we need some divine intervention in this case… many of suporters for justice are tired of the run arounds along with you.. but I am sure its much harder for family members…our prayers and support continue for your family that one day soon there will be justice. I thought of the man that came foward!! thinking that he is a brave man… considering all the intimidation and murder of anyone that knew anything in this case…I pray for the safety of this man and his family
      and resolution to the holloways


    33. Poochy on September 13th, 2008 12:19 pm

      Richard (#31) Exactly. It’s so obvious they are afraid of someone or something inhabiting their tiny island.

      You’d think at least ONE person would stand up for their country and share with the rest of the world exactly what they’re so afraid of.

      They could write an annonymous letter and send it to Jossy or a SM moderator. Or write in code again like Shango/simian et al, but throw in a decoder ring this time.

    34. Maggie on September 13th, 2008 2:11 pm

      Richard.. I believe Paulus after working with most of these people for years,, knows things on them.. which gives him the upper hand.. If they talk, he does.

    35. Maggie on September 13th, 2008 2:45 pm

      Steve I have wondered that too.. Joran was always going gambling and drinking.. How did he pay for it.. His father took him the night he met Natalee and then his father according to his father’s police statement ok’d him to go gambling again the next night. How was he getting in if you have to be 18? (Not that I believe he ever went in a casino the second night unless it was just to be seen on camera to say he was there)

    36. Steve Holloway on September 13th, 2008 2:53 pm

      I thank you guys, your hearts are good as gold. We are blessed by you.

    37. Poochy on September 13th, 2008 3:58 pm

      Why are we so suprised he shrugged off the witness and polygraphs? Geesh, he didn’t even bat an eyelash when Joran blabbed the events of the evening on National TV!

      I think in light of this 4am news tidbit we should look closer at the timeline. Weren’t there some pages missing from Paulus’ statement that we viewed online?

      And, not sure if this is who folks call the “real Simian” vs “fake Simian”, but whichever Simian it is, this person knows exactly what happened.

      Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
      If you were asleep who answered your phone?

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 4:02 pm
      The Kalpoes have nothing to spill. They don’t what the father did. Only Joran knows why he called his Dad in the middle of the night.

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
      The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.

      Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 6:57 pm
      The phone call made in the small hours

      Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
      Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.


      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
      Killing his own dogs. Dumping them is the reservoir. Harassing his schoolmates.

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:34 pm
      It is very hectic around the water reservoirs in Noord.

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:16 pm
      The water reservoir in Noord is very busy. The boy is not right. There is so much stuff on him. I don’t know what I should relay to you people. I fear the worst. The Texans don’t know where to start.

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:46 pm
      I will drive past the water reservoirs in Noord. The think is that tonight is a night when people in Aruba light fires. A lot of smoke. Religious/Pagan ritual. There will be a lot of Police on the streets.

      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
      Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.

      Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:14 am
      The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water. Look for Noord and look for Moko. The cowboys feet are wet. They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out.

      Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:33 am
      Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots. The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce. Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.

    38. Poochy on September 13th, 2008 6:19 pm

      PvdS statement:

      “…While in the presence of JACOBS I did make a remark, that I couldn’t understand [u]why the girl had pushed him away, if he had been first kissing with her. I also said that he should have escorted the girl into the hotel IF SHE WAS THAT INTOXICATED…”




    39. Richard on September 13th, 2008 8:49 pm

      Poochy (#37) … What I still fail to understand is … if this guy Simian really knew something definite (and in light of this new witness, these comments sound very interesting, though perhaps he made others that pointed elsewhere), and wanted to give clues …

      Why in the world was he being so elliptical? Why not just send a message to the FBI or to Natalee’s parents saying, “Look here.”

      Some people say he/she may have been afraid to come forth openly. Well, in that case, why do this cloak-and-dagger stuff at all?

      It’s all part of the mystery that convinces me that something deeper is going on.

    40. allank on September 13th, 2008 8:51 pm

      Please by some miracle can this case come to conclusion and bring Natalee home one way or another. I will never believe she is dead until there is proof. It is some big time evil going on on that island that people will not let it be known.
      If they are having Pagan rituals, what else are they doing? How can anybody in good conscious even think of this being a vacation spot?
      Aruba gone awry should be their slogan!

    41. Poochy on September 14th, 2008 9:25 am

      Richard (#39),

      I think ‘Simian’ is an ALE family member or friend who heard daily case details discussed and posted in a code which they thought was in fact very easy to understand. The FBI knows exactly what is going on. That picture in the news of Beth and Condi Rice was a stern warning to someone to get things resolved. They all heard what happened – there is a SETI satellite in Aruba (aka ‘dots on a dish’).

      It was posted on many boards that heroin is the main export of Aruba and that Aruba is a ‘trampoline’ island. Joran was identified early on as a ‘big drug dealer’ . Maybe he can identify dealers and those who package, ship, sail, and fly it off the island. I laughed when I read Deepak stating that the floor boards of his car were glued down so tight “due to the speaker wires” (yeah right). Perhaps those significant others’ are offspring of the Elders, and maybe even some of the ones who fled off that island.

      But one code talker ‘greywhisper’ posted “We all know the export IS NOT THE DRUGS, Texan. Find the real export in the middle of the island and you will find the answers you seek.” Based on the mysterious disappearance of Amy Bradley and Max DeVries, I’d say the export is not only heroin but human slavery.

      So Richard, here are my thoughts on why this case cannot be solved yet. I think there are TWO major battles taking place within Aruba (and I’m sure many other battles like “Sumerian vs. Babylonian intrusion” but IMHO that battle does not contribute to this unsolved case).

      BATTLE #1: This battle is between Joran, Paulus and the Elders and their offspring (maybe some of the ones who fled Aruba just after she went missing). If Joran goes down all the other Elder offspring go down with him. And that is why all the evidence against Joran continues to go missing.

      BATTLE #2: This battle is between the drug lords and Aruba officials, basically Oduber. The drug lords are continuing to lose mucho $ with all eyes focusing on Arbua due to this case. The Oduber grave rattling was a warning from the drug lords to ‘the Elders’ to give it up already and end the case (IMO). But they can’t their hands are tied. If Joran goes down, they all go down.

      Codetalkers mention ‘Dirty Hand’ – someone who is alive and well (as opposed to someone who we thought was dead or very ill). My guess is that’s who they are all afraid of. The island is very tiny. Any drug ring could easily take over 195 sq kilometers and stuff all the officials and LE in their pocket. It is so small everybody knows everybody.

      This chess game is now against the ‘king’ but it is at a stalemate (the King is not under attack and a player has no legal moves and is not in check).

    42. Richard on September 14th, 2008 10:12 am

      Poochy … I’m one of the few here who have long thought that Natalee might have been taken off the island alive. I wouldn’t think that this was premeditated (after all, not that many people have disappeared on Aruba), but might have been a way of dealing with her after God knows what.

      Or, perhaps, a deliberate act of sadism by the people involved … after all, it’s clear that tourist groups on Aruba are highly vulnerable.

      Or, perhaps, some of the ‘Pimps’ were so enthralled with their self-image as master criminals, beyond the law …

      Or, perhaps, some Aruban girls were involved and for some twisted motive wanted to subject Natalee to a horror that girls would understand …

      Or lots of other ‘perhaps’es. No evidence to support any of them … but as I posted above, I don’t think this is as simple as some would have it.

      I’m glad that you know about Amy Bradley; I have been friends with and working with her family for a number of years.

      And I agree with you: I don’t think that anyone on Aruba knows just how the cards will topple if someone gives the first push. There are probably cliques within cliques, with nobody knowing quite who is who. It’s not a monolith, but a lot of dirty little groups moving in the dark.

    43. Richard on September 14th, 2008 10:18 am

      I don’t agree, though, that the FBI “knows exactly what is going on.”

      And the Condoleezza Rice photo with Beth was, I think, just a typical political gesture to demonstrate concern while taking no action at all.

      Maybe our government has expressed concern behind the scenes; no way would I know about that. But despite the outrage of the FBI agents who, in June 2005, went down there and were held at arm’s length, nothing else has been done.

      We know that at the National Governors’ Meeting in 2005, three state governors were prepared to argue for urging a voluntary boycott of Aruba.

      After that meeting, nary a word was said about the idea, as far as I know. Wonder why not.

      Right now, unfortunately, our government is probably mulling over the value of Aruba as a neighbor to Venezuela, which just told our ambassador to pack up. In diplomacy, that’s about the strongest tool short of war.

      In view of what has happened, and not happened, in Natalee’s case, better ties with Aruba would be an incredibly asinine goal.

      Given the way our government seems to act, don’t be surprised if that is the goal it pursues.

    44. Richard on September 14th, 2008 11:30 am

      And, of course, IF Natalee was taken alive from Aruba at the end of May 2005 (or later), a hypothesis for which there is no hard evidence that I know of, it doesn’t show she’s still alive.

      Here’s the lead to a story out yesterday: in Seattle, the father of children faces charges in abusing his children and displaying photographs of them on the Internet. This apparently was done as part of an international porn ring.

      The mother is accused of related charges.

      Horrible? Absolutely; beyond belief.

      A one-in-a-million case? Yes (let’s hope so).

      Can you believe this? I, for one, couldn’t if it hadn’t been reported. I think these … life forms (don’t want to slander animals by making that comparison) ought to be destroyed.

      But my point is … horrible things happen.

      As, perhaps, with Natalee.

      A father of three faces state and federal charges in connection with an international pedophile ring, accused of sexually abusing his children, photographing them in lascivious positions and sharing those photos over the Internet.

      His wife faces state charges including mistreatment and tampering with evidence for trying to conceal the photos once she learned of them.

    45. Maggie on September 14th, 2008 12:48 pm

      AlanK I wish I could feel like you do, but I don’t. I truly don’t believe Natalee was alive after her last night in Aruba.. Didn’t think that right off, but based on everything after months. I believe also they probably took her to the Sloots house, Joran’s apartment. I do believe Natalee was drugged in that drink Joran gave her, or to lead her away from her drink so another could put something in it. Noone ever saw the Kalpoes that I know of in Carlos n Charlies.. I think one was probably the look out and the other driving the car pulled up when time to go. They had phones on them regardless of all the bs about no minutes.. The mission was to get Natalee away from the place and her friends fast. I also believe Paulus is involved in this 150%. We went to meet Paulus, Paulus talked to us in Jorans apt. Paulus did this Paulus did that.. Joran’s room wasn’t searched for 10 days.. The Kalpoes home for 2 years. It wasn’t that they commited the perfect crime.. It was that the imperfect crime was covered up. The behaviour of these 3 right off to lie, lie, lie , and blame someone for a crime.of kidnapping and murder.. when Natalee was simply a missing person at the time, desire to throw off an investigation before there was one, get on computers to establish a time line, the 8 minute call from Joran to Deepak, Deepak telling the guard Paulus, Joran and them sat around the pool and made up the guard/Holiday Inn story(He only changed that when Joran was giving him hell for saying it,because his father would get in trouble), all the sexual talk, lying about Natalee’s condition and what she said, Natalee not having a phone on her, no passport, no money, no clothes, no transportation on that small island, fishermen never seeing her on the beach or no shoes found on the beach, if they find the girl they will see that chit, you will get years if they find her, I don’t know where the body is , I would tell you, the fact the girl is dead isn’t good, picking up American tourists and what they planned to do with them, I would tell you what happened, but you would get in trouble, says it all to me.

      When I was younger and my neighbor’s wife went missing rumors were she ran off with another man, mostly floated by her husband, someone kidnapped her, she was fed to the pigs. ON and On for 2 years. Her husband was caught in lie after lie and weird behaviour and one day his gf he had with him at the time,, turned state’s evidence and said he murdered her, she was with him..

      Richard I am with you on the Shango thing.. never did understand it. Why would they not just call the FBI.or why leave the family twisting if they know.? Appears to be as cruel as the Sloots and Kalpoes.

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