Natalee Holloway: New Witness in Aruba Id’s Joran Van der Sloot and Prosecution Continues the Cover Up



A new witness has come forward in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway who went missing in Aruba in 2005. A new witness who has passed two polygraph exams. A witness who has placed Joran Van der Sloot and Paulus Van der Sloot near a pond at 4:00 in the morning of May 30, 2005.

He passed all the examinations perfectly, and John Swartz is
convinced that this witness is telling the truth about what he saw at
4 a.m. in front of his house.

The witness continued to declare (and proved with his test that he
was telling the truth) that the man he saw had on wet clothes, and had
a notable stripe of muddy waters that reached to his chest, about 5
centimeters more or less over his flannel.

The stripe on his flannel showed clearly that from the muddy waters
going down his clothes were completely wet.

However, according to all accounts Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos is more interested in discrediting the witness rather than questioning him. The cover up continues in Aruba in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The question that needs to be put forth to Aruba and their prosecutor is … if you are not willing to investigate leads and do any investigation in this case, then close it and provide the full file to Natalee’s family. We are confident they will know what to do with your purposely botched, corrupt and inept investigation.

Watch and listen to the exclusive interview with Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario-Aruba regarding the new witness and Aruba’s continued obstruction of Justice for Natalee

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    37 Responses to “Natalee Holloway: New Witness in Aruba Id’s Joran Van der Sloot and Prosecution Continues the Cover Up”

    1. Susan on September 14th, 2008 8:25 am

      NO BIG SURPRISE HERE!! I knew those SAVAGE, CORRUPT Aruban/Dutch LE officials would treat this new witness with utter disregard. I had hoped that a new prosecutor would get to the bottom of Natalee’s disappearance, but it appears that Hans Mos also has her blood on his hands :-(

      What is it that Paulass van der Slut has on the lowlife scum (ALE) anyway?

      Paulass and Urine van der Slut, along with Satan and Deepunk K(alpoe) must not be allowed to get away with murder!!

      Why won’t the authorities bring these gangraping, murdering thugs to justice???

      I’m just as consumed with outrage today as I was over 3 years ago with the cover up of Natalee’s disappearance!!


      The Dutch protectorate isle of Aruba is nothing more than a drug infested, poverty stricken, third world, lawless hell hole!!



    2. A New Girl on September 14th, 2008 8:36 am

      OK—So where is Peter De Vries??? Time to get him over to VDS house and conduct some interviews??? Shouldn’t he be calling them to appear on his show again???? I might be wrong, but even though he wanted the ratings hike for his show- he seemed sincere in wanting to expose the guilty parties here.

      Time for more emails to his show’s producers, I think.

    3. A New Girl on September 14th, 2008 8:58 am

      Feb. 2008 Interview ONR w/Greta Van Sustern regarding wine throwing incident on DeVries show and confession tapes:

      VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Both his parents — were they both present for that?

      DE VRIES: Yes, they were present. Yes.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran’s parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

      DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn’t know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.


    4. Richard on September 14th, 2008 9:59 am

      Susan … My own belief is that Peter deVries, like most or all TV people, has one sincere interest: anything and everything that will draw viewers to his show.

      And it stops there.

      Does anyone put any faith in Joran’s “confession” to the self-promoter Patrick van der Eem?

      Peter deVries was proclaiming how he had solved Natalee’s case … he cashed in on it, and that’s that.

      Just like Greta van Susteren and all the rest of the professional media clique.

      The spotlight is off deVries. He won’t speak up for Beth, Dave, or Natalee … he’s moved on.

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

    5. Maggie on September 14th, 2008 12:26 pm

      Can’t wait to read the next Diaro story about it.

    6. BUN on September 14th, 2008 1:42 pm

      The highs are so high and the lows are so low in this case, makes it almost impossible to hope that justice will be done. Nothing fair about this!!!

    7. EURobert on September 14th, 2008 1:59 pm

      # Richard.

      Don’t think PRdV is just in it for the number of viewers (and money). He’s truly touched by the pain of the people that are left behind I think; parents, husbands, wifes aso.

      VERY interesting new developements btw! Maybe Natalee’s remains weren’t dumped in the ocean after all but dumped in the pond? But unfortunately its true that in the NL’s (and Europe in general) we don’t have a tradition of use of polygraph-tests in police investigations and courts. Even stronger: in Europe we’re very sceptical of polygraph-tests; rightly or wrongly. [I don't know what to think of them; the latest technology in this field may be very accurate.]

      Don’t know if PRdV is aware of this new developements. Maybe he can put some pressure on Mos as well.

    8. truthseeker2 on September 14th, 2008 2:04 pm

      So where has this witness been all this time and why is he just now providing this info?

      I want this all to be true, but it doesn’t make much sense that this guy just all of a sudden decides to come forward. Why?

    9. Susan on September 14th, 2008 3:46 pm

      Richard…You are right, the only reason deVries involved himself with Natalee’s disappearance (hiring van der Eern to secretly tape Urine and asking the van der Slut’s to appear on his show) was all about ratings. That’s the only reason he ask Beth to appear…ratings.



    10. columbo on September 14th, 2008 3:55 pm

      oh, sorry……..thought that they didn’t use polygraphs

    11. Tamikosmom on September 14th, 2008 7:38 pm

      Following his release from detention … Paulus van der Sloot appeared as a guest of Dutch talk show host Twan Hys. At that time Paulus claimed that he had never stated to the “Twitty” group on the morning of May 31, 2005 that he had been in the area of the Marriot Beach at 4:00 PM.

      The reversal of the compensation awarded to Paulus for wrongful detainment related to the claims of the “Twitty” witnesses implies that the Superior Court judge/s did not believe him.


      Paulus van der Sloot
      Nova Interview (Twan Hys)
      June 28, 2005
      VAN DER SLOOT: During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o’clock, I picked up Joran. And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee., while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o’clock at the McDonald’s

      Beth Twitty
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      March 21, 2006
      TWITTY: … He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

      Beth Twitty
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      March 26, 2006
      TWITTY: …… And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.

      Superior Court
      January, 2007
      The possible involvement of Paulus that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

    12. Tamikosmom on September 14th, 2008 7:39 pm


      I do believe you will find my comment in that spam file. LOL

      SM: Got it :) Thanks for the heads up! ;) (klaasend)

    13. Richard on September 14th, 2008 8:33 pm

      Good to see you back here, EURobert! But I’m afraid that I agree with Susan on this … if you put any credibility in Patrick van der Eem, you must be the only one remaining who does.

      Come to think of it, we never heard anything more about his book that was supposed to be coming out.

      Columbo, you’re right: Aruba does not accept the findings of polygraph readings. At least that’s what we were told before; maybe things have changed, depending on their mood or the weather.

      There’s an Associated Press story out today: in some parts of Mexico, organized crime is now running the show.

      Maybe that’s no surprise?

      But in some Mexican states, the police and/or army are no longer able or willing to take on the criminal gangs, according to the article.

      Anyone want to guess what business the gangs are in? Anyone need more than one guess?

      Could they have counterparts throughout the Caribbean? No, no, that’s too much to believe….

    14. minnesota dad on September 15th, 2008 7:38 am

      Until Paulus is in jail….it is all a diversion.


    15. Terri on September 15th, 2008 9:55 am

      md – someone once said that you were the closest to theorize what really happened. Care to fill us in on what you feel happened? I know that you strongly suggest that the dad did it. I am just curious why you think this.

    16. crossbow on September 15th, 2008 11:03 am

      From about a week after Joran’s confession was aired I said something just did not sound right. IMHO the confession was set up by the ATA; even possibly Rob Smith.
      The last ditched effort was to sway Beth’s convictions on what happened to Natalee; convince her Natalee was in the Ocean and the rest of the world would agree with her.
      Whether or not DeVries was in on it I don’t know. But I considered Patrick a mole working for the ATA and to this day I have not found anything to change that opinion.
      However that does place a different light on why Natalee has not been found.
      Either what was done to her, where it was done and all the persons involved was so hideous that the investigation had to be suppressed……
      OR OR OR
      Natalee; as Richard has been saying was sold.
      (BUT) (To satisfy a gambling debt?)

    17. minnesota dad on September 15th, 2008 11:09 am


      Here is what I have posted in the past when the KLPD was doing their phoney search of the property:

      I have always maintained that this crime was simple. The cover-up was the complex problem – coached suspects (J2K) giving multiple stories is a tactic known to defense attorneys in order to cloud the case up as much as possible.

      This is the case in a nutshell:
      J2K pick up Natalee at CnC’s. They take her to #19 Montana, the Sloot compound (I come to this conclusion based on Joran’s statements – his first statement was the HI drop off – his second statement was the THREE of them took her back to his home…this statement was made at the same time of the confession that ’something bad happened’ – when the ’something bad happened’ was reversed by Joran’s handlers, the new story was that he dropped her off at the beach). Paulus was present at the compound. THEY NEVER, EVER bring Natalee into Joran’s apartment but rather carry on poolside.

      From 1:00am to 3:00am the THREE are joined by Freddy, Guido, Koen and possibly other “pimps” for a gang rape at the Sloot compound. Joran has already confessed that he was raping her while she fell in and out of consciousness. Natalee fights, as evident by scratches described by witnesses on Guido and Joran. Approximately 3 am, something bad does happen – she is non-responsive…maybe from drugs…more likely from being smacked hard after scratching Guido and Joran. She is taken into the main Van Der Sloot compound and placed on a mattress. Paulus sends everyone home. Natalee is alive, but in very serious shape – from the drugs, being raped, and heavy battery.

      Approximately 3:30am, after Joran has searched the Internet for a half hour, Joran and Paulus load the gravely injured Natalee into the car and head off to the ATM machine and Lorenzo’s. Lorenzo is asked to take care of her.

      Perhaps she was dead during this time, but my guess is that she was passed to Lorenzo in a seriously messed up state. I base this on 1) Satish Kalpoe asking, “how’s the girl”, 2) Joran bragging about his sexual exploits with her at school the next day (psychopath or not, I believe he would be smart enough to not brag about a girl he murdered), 3) Dennis Jacobs confidently recommending that Dave Holloway sit back, she will turn up in a few days (once recovered from the assault and rape that occured).

      The evidence of the pass on to Lorenzo is that Joran boarded the bus near Lorenzo’s property at 6:50am on the morning of Natalee’s disappearance.

      In the meantime, the media and the Holloway/Twittys come to the island. Now, if Natalee was alive (which upon analyzing everything…it is very possible — but near death), they had a huge problem….releasing her at a crack house or other place would DEVASTATE tourism as FOXNews and everyone else would be reporting how she was kidnapped, drugged, and raped by the island’s elite Dutch children.

      The decision was made to disappear Natalee Holloway (either living or if she died somewhere between 3:00am and 6:30am during the transfer to Lorenzo). This is where Natalee’s life had to be taken and her “disappeared” in order to not harm tourism on the island. This explains PVDS’ “No body – no crime” statement. This also explains Deepaks police car comment, “If they find the girl they will find the chit” and Joran’s response, “I will laugh if they find the girl”.

      What better place to take ‘the girl’ then to an ‘untouchable’ property on the island? They needed to get her out of the VDS compound ASAP, as they knew that there would be a search in the immediate hours after it was discovered that Natalee did not make her flight.

      It is very clear that Paulus and his compound were center to this case based on 1) Paulus clearly coaching the witnesses and interfering with the investigation (per Karin Janssen), 2) the blood soaked mattress and the furniture truck arriving to deliver furniture, 3) the intentional interference in the search of #19 Montana through Judge Bob Wit and Ben Vocking restricting the search to Joran’s apartment only, 4) Paulus filing with the Aruban courts to not allow the FBI to have any jurisdiction or to provide any independant searches (why have people involved that would actually solve the crime?).

      What we do know, is that there are witness statements that PVDS was out with JVDS and Natalee at 4:00am. We also early on were told that there was an ATM transaction at this time. We also know that Joran picked up his bus to school near Lorenzo’s home. A dead or gravely injured Natalee was taken to Lorenzo’s. Based on the assault of Guido and Joran, she was badly hurt (remember, she fell and hit her head several times when dropped off at the Holiday Inn!).

      So there you have it. Very simple and not muddied and complex as a defense attorney, Paulus, would like you to believe. Here are my opinions on the charges:

      Deepak Kalpoe – Accessory to kidnap, rape, and murder
      Satish Kalpoe – Accessory to Kidnap, rape, and murder
      Joran Van Der Sloot – Kidnap, Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder. Providing False witness statements in a criminal investigation.
      Guido Wever – Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder
      Paulus Van Der Sloot – Accessory to kidnap and murder. In addition, Paulus provided false witness statements (the 6/16/2007 vanished witness statement) and interfered with a criminal investigation. Racketeering. Transporting and accessory in the disposal of a body.
      Lorenzo – Accessory to murder and transporting/disposal of a body.

      No one was ever at a beach where tennis shoes stolen from the lost and found at the racquet club were conveniently placed by Guido and Joran. No one was ever at the lighthouse…where the exact belt, that Joran was strangling a friend on his MySpace account, was found. These were plants to muddy the case.

      Yes, it was all in plain view. Now, please KLPD. End this case….I am very, very tired of doing your work for you.


    18. Terri on September 15th, 2008 12:01 pm

      Thank you so much for that refresher, MD. I believe you may have nailed it. I can’t believe for the life of me that this has continued to go on for over 3 years. I just can’t fathom how someone could be responsible for hurting someone and not show any remorse after all of this time, or still be able to function as a solid citizen. It should eat them up every day of their lives. I do so wish that they, somehow, someway, someone, can solve this case, find this yound lady’s body and bring her home, once and for all. As a human being with caring and compassion, I am sad to live on this earth with people who are so uncaring and hateful. I just thank God that I don’t live on that hell-hole island. Thanks again, md….

    19. crossbow on September 15th, 2008 1:24 pm

      MD: 17
      What do you suppose finally happened to Natalee? Do you hold that she was taken out into the ocean by Lorenzo on one of his cigarette speed boats and dumped in the ocean?
      Or; do you think Natalee was taken as part of a drug payoff and Lorenzo brought her out to a waiting yacht?
      Or; do you think she was cremated by Rene.
      Or; do you think she is in the pet cemetery.
      Or; is she in a crypt in one of the cemeteries.
      Or; is she in an abandoned mine.
      Or; is she buried at the Lourdes Grotto.
      Or; ?
      There are so many damn forks in the road: but which one is the right one??????

    20. crossbow on September 15th, 2008 1:39 pm

      I’m sorry I forgot to add my opinion.
      Since we are dealing with IMO; misogamists, then anything closely following a religious ritual for burial is out of the question.
      Down an abandoned gold mine is how you get rid of a problem on Aruba.
      Some are 800 feet deep; they don’t leach out to the ocean and basically what goes in stays in with no hope of retrival.

    21. Maggie on September 15th, 2008 1:56 pm

      MnDad,, don’t know about the involvement of all of those you mentioned.. but I agree with you pretty much of what happened to Natalee. Natalee had no idea the kind of people they were that night, but I am sure they did of her… was probably watching her for days.

    22. Maggie on September 15th, 2008 1:57 pm

      btw Where is the new Diaro article?

    23. crossbow on September 15th, 2008 3:19 pm

      BTW what do you think of Art Wood’s statement concerning the teenage boy that told Art that he helped bury Natalee.
      IMO since there was no followup by Art, The FBI or anyone else; I considered it a myth.
      Can you bust this myth?
      Also Art is the one that found the belt; but again what about the teal colored cloth, the duct tape and the shallow grave???
      It would seem that Natalee was dragged all over the island for a few days.
      DJ TO DH: “she will show up in a few days” speel.

    24. minnesota dad on September 15th, 2008 6:59 pm


      Who knows what happened to her body. Could be in the water, a gold mine shaft, wherever. Aruban Law Enforcement, Hans Mos, and others have a good idea as to what happened. I’ll let them divulge one day in a book when the statute of limitations runs out (whatever that is under Dutch Law “Aruban style”).

      As far as my thoughts on the fabric, duct tape, shallow grave, etc…..who knows. Aruba made sure everything disappeared, from the bloody mattress, to Geoffrey’s security shirt, to the styrofoam with teeth marks in it and tape, to the cleaning supplies found with all of this stuff. Aruba was sloppy. Evidence was everywhere. In addition, someone wanted Paulus to be busted (releasing the aerial photo of the furniture truck delivering the new mattress, to showing Paulus playing cards and hitting on Natalee at the casino).

      Here is just another example of how Aruba attempted to divert from Paulus – if you have ever been in a casino you know that there are a thousand cameras watching and recording your every move. Why haven’t we heard anything or seen video regarding when Paulus entered the casino and when he exited? You know ALE knows exactly what his timeline was from these cameras….yet they have refused to provide a timeline (all we have is Joran’s statement that his dad went home to deal with the kids —- but, cameras don’t lie and cameras would have validated Joran’s statements —- instead ALE is silent).


      Paulus did it. He is your perp. He needs to be put behind bars as I have been adamently advocating since mid-June of ’05.


    25. Waterboy on September 15th, 2008 7:39 pm

      I know everyone is tired of hearing this, but I am convinced that Natalee is in the landfill or at least she was, and that Junior’s story is true. I know it was said that Junior was discredited, but not as far as I am concerned. He was so sure, that he helped Dave Holloway dig in the debris (I would like to know Dave Holloway’s opinion of Junior.) Let’s take an alternate course (which will end up at the landfill).

      Natalee was taken from C&C to where? I say to the California lighthouse. I don’t know who all was involved other than the 3 obvious perpetrators. They may be the only ones, unless she was taken to a party at the lighthouse restaurant. If that happen, the number of those involved could be in the twenty’s.

      She was taken to the Sloot’s, I am convinced. She may have been taken dead, hurt, conscious, or unconscious. Maybe she was taken there in the trunk of the Indians boy’s car. Maybe they never took her from the trunk into the house but I would bet other wise. Natalee was murdered. Anita knows, Paulus knows.

      The trio drove to a location close to the fisherman huts, broke in, and took the large trap (who says the trap had to go out to sea?). Natalee was placed in the trap; it was weighted and placed in chest deep water, in one of the ponds, probable the one investigators drained. (Where is the trap now? Still there, I’d bet.) Deepak and his brother were suppose to wait for Joran, but when the gardener saw them, they flew the coop.)

      Later, Paulus, Joran, and Deepak, retrieved Natalee’s body, wrapped her in plastic and put it in the back of the white pickup that Junior saw. This may have been when the video of the body in the plastic was taken, before Natalee was put in the pickup and taken to the landfill.

      I can think of some alternate scenarios to this, but this makes the most sense.

      I did believe that Joran simply threw Natalee in a dumpster, but for Paulus, Joran, and Deepak to find Natalee’s body in the landfill after it was taken there by a truck, and then be seen by Junior makes less sense.

      She is there; in the landfill. Bless her soul, guard her remains until she can be brought home. Vengeance is in the hands of the All Mighty, may it be so.


    26. Waterboy on September 15th, 2008 7:41 pm

      Where is Junior now? No longer in this world, I’d bet.


    27. Maggie on September 15th, 2008 8:00 pm

      Well , I do believe they are responsible for Natalee’s death, even if she would’ve went into convulsions , noone bothered to get her help.. I do believe she was probably drugged.. Also can’t come up with any other reason 3 guys would go out a half hour before closing time and move in one 1 girl , they basically don’t even know, but one. I do know she has never been seen again since that night. I think she was taken to the Sloots. How she died , that I don’t know, but I do believe she did. Also believe Paulus was all over what happened on the first night.. Any and every piece of evidence was disposed as nothing and every witness that came forward was lying.

    28. Maggie on September 15th, 2008 8:06 pm

      Waterboy I won’t say she wasn’t put in the dump.. It is a possibility..

      Always thought Natalee had a head injury, because right off they said she hit her head.. I thought that was in case they found her.

      Also believe what Deepak told the guard that Paulus, Joran and them sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie.. I believe Deepak only changed that much later when he found out Paulus, Joran and themselves would get in trouble by him saying that.. because they would’ve had to sit around and make that up prior to Natalee being missing was announced to the public and prior to Beth and Jug arriving. We talked about that on the blogs about them making it up before it was known and you know they were reading the blogs.

    29. minnesota dad on September 15th, 2008 8:19 pm

      #28 – Natalee did have a head injury.

      ALE alleged charges against Guido Wever for Heavy Battery with regard to Natalee Holloway. Guido lawyered up with Europe’s top defense attorney and Aruba ran away.

      You cannot allege ‘Heavy Battery’ without some kind of evidence – statements or physical evidence. ALE knows exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway and it is evidenced by this charge against Guido.


    30. Terri on September 16th, 2008 6:46 am

      md – what is your opinion of the Kalpoes cleaning their car? It would seem to me that it is another diversion, as if Natalee were in Paulus’ car, this is the one that should have been investigated. Do you know if Paulus’ car was ever inspected by these clowns who call themselves investigators?

    31. minnesota dad on September 16th, 2008 7:05 am

      She was in the Kalpoe car when leaving the bar. The Kalpoe’s were probably scared out of their wits. Natalee had been savaged at the VDS compound and they, as minorities, would have been the fall guys. They wanted none of her DNA in the car. It has been said that there was some DNA evidence in the car but in the 10 days before the arrests the interior of the car was completely redone. Don’t know the facts to this or not.

      Re: PVDS. No, his car was never looked at or touched. Definitely would have had DNA in it. He was the final transporter of her (either living or dead). If you will recall, he was still driving his car when he and Joran were videod leaving the crime scene on the day where ‘one of the suspects was leading authorities to the body’. He was free to drive his car and eliminate any DNA evidence.


    32. Richard on September 16th, 2008 1:32 pm

      The new report of a 4 a.m. sighting reminds me of that guy who said that he saw Joran and the Kalpoes in Deepak’s car, somewhere out in the country (I think it was near the Fishermen’s Hut, but may well be wrong), on THE morning. I think the time was about 3:30 a.m., but might be wrong here too.

      I believe that he said they were hunching down, turning their faces away, or otherwise trying to avoid being seen. I seem to remember that he said he saw the car twice, but might be wrong on that as well.

      Does anyone know how far it is from the place of the 3:30 sighting to the place of the 4 am sighting that has just come out? Seems highly unlikely to me that both reports could be wrong.

      So I’m not convinced that whatever happened, happened at the van der Scum house. My being convinced or not, of course, doesn’t affect in the slightest what actually took place.

      I know that Dave Holloway has said he thinks (or did when he said it) that the mixture of alcohol and medicine that Natalee was taking at the time might have proved to be toxic. Anyway, if she did meet her demise at the vdScum house, and if PvdScum were involved, I wouldn’t think that he would entrust the removal of her body to his son.

      Again, of course, what I think or don’t think doesn’t prove anything.

    33. Richard on September 16th, 2008 5:29 pm

      Am also thinking about Joran’s sleeping at his school, as the head of the school told Beth. This was an unusual enough action to prompt comment.

      Does it suggest that Joran’s own apartment was in a condition such that he couldn’t stay there?

      Perhaps … but in that case, why not just stay in the main house, as his parents and brothers were doing?

      Or is the reason that the school (from which, I am sure, he could get out at night) was close to the house of Lorenzo van Rijn?

      We remember that the first investigator, TJ Ward, encountered some armed Colombians near there.

    34. Maggie on September 16th, 2008 6:08 pm

      Richard , I mostly say that is because, Joran said they were out in front of his house that night. I figured he said that, in case they were seen actually being there.. I can’t see going out moving in on a girl and taking her to an open beach and risk being seen. 3 fishermen said they were by the huts that night and noone matching either description were seen.. No way do I believe Natalee wanted to stay alone on a beach..

      As someone previously stated, tapes at the casino would show Paulus entering and Paulus leaving. It was said Michael Posner was mad about the tapes that were released to the media of Joran entering and Natalee. When ABC played them, they made it look like Joran entered , then Natalee did, which was totally false. Steve Cohen never showed up again when he was asked if that was Paulus talking to Natalee. Phone records and tapes would tell a lot, but do I believe Aruba would want anyone to see them? no… I think they probably had intentions of dumping Natalee by her hotel afterwards.. The fact that Deepak Kalpoe went home to get on the computer to establish and alibi, said Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw off an investigation, before there was one, one told a friend something happened, but they couldn’t talk about it on the phone,, cleaned the car..that night.. shows me they know.

      Paulus on the computer that night, leading everyone away from the house for over an hour, tells me someone was probably doing clean up at the house, Where was Satish? They say home,, I doubt it. The entire day after and their behaviour is suspect.

      Guido hired Milosevic’s attorney and Arlene Shippers shut up and disappeared from tv after he was arrested.. Guido moved to Holland right away.

      Aruba and Paulus & Anita was allowing a 17 year old and younger when he started…go to casinos and gamble, drink, run the streets all hours of the night, steal, lie, be a bully, have sleep overs with 12 year old girls..

      Saw JoeT on tv today said he spent 2 weeks in Italy over the Amanda Knox case..the girl and her bf and another guy charged with slitting a female roomates throat and a bunch of sick stuff.. Joe said no evidence Amanda or her bf did anything.. we know what that means in everyday terms. I was waiting for him to say Amanda only lied once. It was a sex game gone bad officials say.

    35. Maggie on September 16th, 2008 6:12 pm

      I think this is who you mean.. I don’t know how close it is to where the new witness lives though


      The gardener signed a statement with the police saying that between 2:30 am and 3:00 am he past by the racquet club and saw Deepak’s car. Joran in driver’s seat, Deepak, beside him, and Satish in back.

      While in jail, a fellow inmate says the following to Deepak, “Hey, my gardener saw all 3 of you at the racquet club that morning” and Deepak gets mad and throws the dominoes all over the table.

      What I had heard on the news was they did this voice thing on the guy who supposedly witnessed her being placed at the dump. He showed no deception.

      It was reported that the “gardener” was an illegal alien and after the deposition this man was going to be sent back to his country. When the gardener didn’t show everyone reported that maybe he got scared and left Aruba. NOW, a judge has ordered a deposition from the gardener this week. After the deposition the “gardener” will be arrested and deported!

    36. Waterboy on September 16th, 2008 9:21 pm

      The gardener was also described as fishing and hunting guide. Strange, I think. The “guide” always wants to leave at 3:00 A.M.


    37. Richard on September 17th, 2008 9:15 am

      Thanks for the info, Maggie. That is a different time than the one I had. (Assuming, of course, that the gardener remembered the time correctly.)

      The name of Matty Apartments, near the Lion’s Den and the pond in question, seems to be coming out more and more. Let’s hope that finally this new witness has kicked over the tub of festering maggots that is the Aruban cover-up.

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