RSSDr. Phil Attorneys Use Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway Posts as Exhibit in Court Docs Against Deepak & Satish Kalpoes
Scared Monkeys makes the list of exhibits for the defense in the case of Deepak & Satish Kalpoe v. Dr. Phil. Scared Monkeys has been on this case from the beginning, long before and certainly long after most of the media coverage.
A recent court document was filed on July 7, 2008 with the Superior Court of California, County of Los Angeles – Central District by the attorneys of Dr. Phil McGraw, CBS Television and the Estate of Jamie Skeeters as a special motion to strike compliant pursuant to California code of Civil procedure § 425.16 against the claims of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
(Read the full post HERE that was used as an exhibit)
Scared Monkeys has attained a copy of the filing and to our surprise a Scared Monkeys post was used as an exhibit for the defense. The post by Scared Monkeys actually makes up pages 55 – 123. The post and what is Exhibit A-51 was written on February 16, 2008 entitled, “Scared Monkey’s Welcomes Bill O’Reilly & Geraldo Rivera to the Fold as they Finally Embrace the Aruba Boycott and Date Rape in Natalee Holloway Disappearance”. The full article can be read HERE. Not only was the post used, but comments as well.
As many have stated since the Kalpoe’s filed their defamation law suit, how can one have their character impugned if there was no character or reputation in the first place? From the outset of the Natalee Holloway disappearance and the case against the three main suspects, Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe … the media in print, TV, radio and internet have done stories based upon the actions and words of these three suspects. The Kalpoe’s were arrested by the ALE. They brought that upon themsleves. It was the 3 suspects who lied to the police and stated they returned Natalee Holloway to the Holiday Inn the night they drove off with her from Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. It was the suspects who lied about the two black security guards and implicated them in a crime where they were arrested. It was the three suspects who continually changed their stories and statements to the police and investigators.
What did the Kalpoe’s Know and why did they Lie?
The Kalpoe’s claim to be victims; however, they brought all of what happened following Natalee Holloway’s disappearance on themselves. They have no one to blame but themselves and their lies. Its nothing more than a get quick rich scheme for people who only made $950.00 US a month (response from Interrogatory) to cash in for millions at the expense of missing Natalee Holloway.
Scared Monkeys has been on the story from the beginning and its good to see that we are continuing to help in the case and issues that have come about from the case of missing Natalee Holloway. It would also seem that Dr. Phil owes us a thank you as well. This is about “Justice for Natalee” … not $’s for the Kalpoe’s.
Posted July 12, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Bloggers, Corruption, Crime, Deepak Kalpoe, Internet, Jamie Skeeters, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, NH Statements | 171 comments |
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Those no good effin’ Arubanamese
Kalpoe turkey burglars!
THEY ARE THE WOOOOOORST!!!
Yeah, Dr. Phil ruined your good name… uh huh.
…and my name is Orville Clarence Redenbacher!
Let this Monk-o-saurus break it down for you
one time, Poes. Can I get a WHAT WHAT?
You are rapists and murderers. Your mother
is a wall-eyed, skank azz, unemployed crook freak, and ya fadda is a smarmy weirdo with
a pair of red hands.
Take that $800 wish milly and try to bank it,
ya snitches!
PLA-DOW!!!!!!!!!!!! -Justice 4 Natalee
We never forget about her.
http://tinyurl.com/5esfso
Wow!!! That is so terrific!!!
What a testament to all of the heart, soul, emotion and research the Monkeys have put into this case from day one!!
There is no other blog like Scared Monkeys!!
We have been defamed, abused, slandered, even referred to as the KKK because we have a common goal and a common theme, and that is support of Natalee’s family and justice for Natalee. Yet over three years later here we are, still fighting for what we believe in, still fighting for justice for Natalee!!
We have made our mark!! We have been at tourist conventions stating our truth time after time at great personal and financial expense to our members!! It has paid off!! We have educated many Americans as to the dangers of Aruba and Natalee’s demise as well as the hell her family has been put through. I think the victory was won when Aruba backed out of the biggest Carribean tourist convention of the year in DC last month!!
We have exposed the truth about Aruba…we have not slandered Aruba, but opened the world’s eyes as to the ongoings on “One Happy Island”.
Finally, our wealth of knowledge and common sense has been used as evidence in the case of 2k. What an honor!!! What a testament to our strength and knowledge and research!!
Beth has been a One Woman Crusader!! Forever shall she tell Natalee’s story!!! Forever shall she now safe guard our youth as to the dangers of traveling abroad. Forever shall this wonderful woman we have come to know, encourage our sons and daughters to explore this great world of ours, but in Natalee’s name, she has, and will continue to, prepare our youth as to the dangers they may face and empowerer them so that they may have a safe journey home.
We have become friends, confidants, family!! We have watched members die of cancer, we have watch members become survivors!! Together I think we have experienced every illness, pain, tradgedy, that could befall a “family” and together we have walked each other through our challenges.
I have never been so proud of becoming a member of a group as I am of becoming a member of Scared Monkeys, and I am a member of many civic organizations.
I hold my head high when I exclaim I am “A Scared Monkey”. I drink from my “Monkey coffee cup” every morning. Ask my local Monkeys….my ring tone is Tarzan calling out AAAHHHH AAAHH AHHHH!!! lol w/ monkeys screeching in the backgroud!!! People get a kick out of it and everytime they hear my ring tone, they ask me what it is and I proudly exclaim…It’s the Monkeys!!!…and I am a Monkey!!! and refer them to our website and talk about Natalee and how hard we fight for justice for “Our Little Girl”!!
I love you all!!! I do!! You are family to me!! We have a great common goal, we bust our asses for Natalee and her family, and we empower each other, to stand up for our our rights, our liberties, and you all make me so damned proud!!!
OK..enough mushy stuff!!! Keep up the good fight Monkeys…and we are fighting the good fight for Natalee!!! I will ALWAYS defend you all…and you all make me so damned proud!!!
Thanks for your friendship!!!
ldstlou
Red…thank you and Mrs. Red for SM and for giving Natalee a voice. And to all the Monkeys….past, present and future who give so much of themselves, their time, knowledge, talents and hearts to achive one goal. Justice for Natalee. Without SM and the monkeys I fear Natalee’s voice would have been silenced a long time ago. But SM has not allowed that and never will….SM gave Natalee a voice when so many tried to silence her. And SM will be instrumental in obtaining Justice for Natalee…..monkey’s never give up .
The criminals have to be psychopaths to do this and not acknowledge their crime. What I always thought about them is pure sewer trash. Maybe they will go missing in California and never have to hear of them again, justice served.
P.S. didn’t their mother get fired for stealing from work. As their own mother states we all lie don’t we especially during criminal investigations.
That was the criminals role model their mother.
dstlou
wohoooooo I am so glad that those at scared monkeys that did research and have continued to find answers are being acknowledged..
kudos to you klaasend red and the whole team at scared monkeys and lets not exclude all the bloggers that come here faithfuly to join in in support of the boycott…
kudos to all and lets remember steve holloway who has been faithful in coming here to join us in our fight for justice.. HE LOST HIS PRECIOUS NIECE…
GOD BLESS THE HOLLOWAY FAMILY MAY THE LORD GIVE YOU PEACE AND JUSTICE
MISSKATIE
P.S
I have met the neatest most caring folks here.. some I can name from comments exchanged.. like brie and always 1 and carpe with his sense of humor and tender heart… richard.. patti… kaye and kaye uk all those I didnt mention please know that you are also the greatest… its a team spirit here.. often times negative bloggers come here.. and we just … put them in their place…
god bless scared monkeys … I am so glad it exists!!!
dstlou
FAITHFUL TO THE CAUSE!!
allan I heard the mother got fired for steaDr. Phil!!! money that is not deservent of them.. they were part of the crime… what the hell do they think they can profit from killing an innocent girl.. aruba may not have gotten justice for us … now maybe the american courts will… how dare they try to cash in….
someone in california needs to put them out of their misery.. where in california will they be
I am in sacramento.
not worried about disclosing sacramento because its huge!!
YOHOO BRIE
WHAT YA THINK OF THIS MESS ?
yohoo always 1
Any person who would try to get Rich off of the death a young woman is lower than a Snakes belly.
He does not deserve any respect.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
ray
they are the lowest scum… I had heard that they had gotten thrown out of their country because of crimes against other women~
THEY ARE MONEY HUNGRY.. OPPORTUNITY SEEKERS..
The Karma Bus is rollin’ faster….I think Destiny will be calling *both* of them soon….
I’m a bit puzzled as to why Dr. Phil’s attorneys would use Scared Monkey posts or any other as an “exhibit” against the Kalpoes. How do the posts prove/establish “guilt” or anything else for that matter? Is counsel “grasping at straws”? Interesting indeed…
Of course our “gut feeling” tells us all that Deepunk and Satan Kalpoe played a major part in Natalee’s disappearance, but none of us were there to witness what really happened…
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
(klaasend)
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SM: If you read the entire document they are showing that the Kalpoes don’t now nor never had a reputation to defame. It is afterall a defamation suit
#3….Idstlou…what a great post….good job of explaining who we are….nice to know you!!!
Let’s all remember that the Kalpoe’s suit against Dr Phil is a defamation of character one, not criminal.
What the defense attorneys for Dr. Phil are showing that the Kalpoe’s had no reputation to impugn. They had already destroyed their own reputation to the public with their lies, actions and their arrest as suspects.
R
No surprise that this blog would be reviewed for useful information. After all, this isn’t a blog run by some TV newscaster or broadcast person (as far as I know, anyway!) whose interest is in puffing up her own image (dare I allude to GvS?).
Those of us who have followed this case here have shown far more dedication and determination, in my view, than any of the “major media.” Let’s hope that we continue in this vein.
Meanwhile … remember that Joran, in his taped “confession” to Patrick van der Eem, said that the Kalpoes had nothing to do with Natalee?
I guess they just lied, slandered her reputation, and met day after day at the Paulus van der Scum residence out of a wish to ensure that justice was done … is that right?
Maybe someday Patrick van der Eem will also be under the spotlight for trying to cash in. When you consider that the only “truth” in that “confession” comes from the serial liar, Joran van der Sloot … how credible is it?
Not very, in my opinion.
Now here’s a question for Dr. Phil … one tends to forget what happened when, but wasn’t it about a year ago that you had a program devoted to both Natalee Holloway and Amy Bradley?
My information is that, to get the Bradley family to take part, you promised them assistance in searching for Amy. This is the program on which photographs purporting to be of Amy in duress were shown, photographs about which family researchers have said they are 90 percent certain are of Amy.
And once the Bradleys took part … that was the last they ever heard of your promise to help. And none of the money you promised was seen.
Care to explain?
destiny
yuppp they will get theirs
#17
Absolutely.
Their hearts are full of unwashed socks.
Hey Satish, may your mother wash your skivvies
with Dirt-pack’s Punky Brewster disco shirt
he was wearing last week. I hope they both turn
a very odd color.
american idiots…greenday
do you guys know dr.phil past???? even his boss (oprah) dont trust in dr. phil.
sam san diego
Deepak & Satish Kalpoe are rapists and accessories to murder…..100% on point! They never had a reputation to begin with to impugn!!
These 2 lifeless losers are looking for more $$$ and to profit from their involvement in the death of Natalee…..hope it’s going to backfire in their faces and then they can be sued for 3x treble damages. Of course, as the unemployed losers that they are…they won’t be able to pay one red cent. Their name is, was and always will be = SHIT. EVERYWHERE! That is payment enough right there.
—-JUSTICE 4 NATALEE !!
richard
can you send me the picture of amy bradley in duress that you are talking about. remember we had this discussion a few months back.. As you stated you were in contact with them regarding the demiss of amy.
you have my email… if not I will ok it with klaasend. thanks
Misskatie
I think of her often and wonder where and how she is. she needs our prayers.
it’s incredibly stupid of them to think that they stand a chance of getting any money.. they have no credibility to speak of!!
lawyers have all the proof they need in all the interviews where they lied their asses off…
the lawyers will make fools out of them with their help of course!!!
they didnt have a good reputation to began with.. what in hell can they be thinking…
I am glad that scared monkeys was acknowledged… alot of good points were made here…
scaredmonkeys is the bomb of blogs….
I know I have said this before but I wanna say it again…
here reside the best monekys … the most caring compasionate souls….
we stand by beth and dave.. they have our uttermost respect…
I am proud to be part of such a wonderful team!!
MISSKATIE
they lied because they think that joran scumbag v/d sloot was a good friend.they told what joran tel them to say,they trusted him ,but am shore those guys dont have nothing to do with the natalie holloway case. joran was the last person to be with natalie so he´s the only one who can tel the truth..those poor guys are simply victims of joran v/d sloot.
Deepak has said he will tell the truth but not until the whole truth has been spoken..A silence because of Paulus..these worthless pieces of s~~t want a claim….two of the biggest dopes on the island…go back to Siriam…where you belong….!!! You are worthless and helped cause the death of Natalee…You are at the very least guilty of kidnapping in your sex mobile….!!!!I hope Dr Phil burns your a~~~….!!!!!
those poor guys are simply victims of joran v/d sloot.
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Yeah, right… they are poor, and they deserve
to be. That is what happens to scum when you
help in assisting in a rape that snowballs into
a murder.
Say tit-head, dooz me a favor… ask the two
raping Kalpoe brothers of Aruba exactly what
date was it when the ALE finally returned
the car back? When I say car, I mean the
EXACT SAME ONE they drove that night, and
not the look-a-like that we have detected
in all the many pictures taken.
The Kalpoes had a huge hand in it.
Joran and Paulus had their hands all over this.
People who cannot see that, are in extreme denial.
BOYCOTT ARUBA into the dirt.
Satish was in high school, Deepak working at an Internet Cafe. Deepak and Satish lied about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. Deepak says he told a friend online that he had sexual contact with Natalee to disrupt the investigation. The Kalpoes changed their story. Joran changed his story. But they still didn’t match. Satish asks Deepak “how is the girl?” the day of Natalee’s disappearance, indicating they knew she was in distress of some sort before she disappeared. Deepak talks to Skeeters about making some money off of this.
If they had any kind of reputation to ruin, they did it themselves.
Frankly I hope the case proceeds because maybe we’ll get some answers.
I was under the impression that the ALE would not release the case files to dr. phil’s attorneys and that was holding up the case. I never did hear whether they got the files or not. Anyone know?
More interesting to me, however, is the status of Beth Holloway’s case against that lying cocaine headed toad JVDS. Beth, if you do read SM..I for one would really like a bit of news from your end. Everyone here is 100% for you and yours, but you know people like me need a bit of encouragement every so often that their energies are not being wasted on something that is not proceeding or is slowly fading away. There seems to be dead silence from all quarters at present. Perhaps you could contact Klaas or Red and give us a bit of feedback??
Miss Katie, I sent you an e-mail a few days ago. If you haven’t received it, please contact me via moderator Klassen.
For the trolls who are showing up … the issue isn’t the integrity of Dr. Phil. The issue is the absurd lawsuit that the Kalpoes are using as a pretext to get money.
I would say that they have the ethics of a politician, but that might sound like an allusion to our own election year, and nobody is that low.
So let’s settle it by saying they have the ethics of an Aruban … such as Nelson Oduber.
Question for ScaredMonkeys: Have you heard anything about progress (if that word applies) in this case? Is any date on the horizon for it to come to court … assuming that it isn’t settled out of court, or THROWN out of court?
If so, then doesn’t that mean that the Kalpoes will have to be there? Or in a suit of this nature, would that not be the case?
The last I knew, they were whining that since the case is still “open” in Aruba, they don’t have access to documents that they say they need. Do you know anything about that?
Brie (#28) … Remember, Joran van der Scum also said, on the von Susteren blog, that “Someday I’ll tell what really happened, but not now.”
In some countries, that statement in itself might indicate something. Not in Aruba, though….
richard I never got it…
klaasend please allow richard to contact me via email…. give him my email… I am not to savie on how to do that.. thanks richard and klaasend
brie
you said this my friend!!
and I agree with you …Deepak has said he will tell the truth but not until the whole truth has been spoken..A silence because of Paulus..these worthless pieces of s~~t want a claim….two of the biggest dopes on the island…go back to Siriam…where you belong….!!! You are worthless and helped cause the death of Natalee…You are at the
they did something to a girl in their country is why they were ousted brie… so I heard… they will tell the truth when pauulus has been exposed for what he is…
these guys aint got to much going on in that head of their… they are dreaming .. of money..
VISIONS OF GRANDUR….
for what they did to natalee they want payment….
buncha retardos I say……………….
where in calif will they be at brie do you know?
I hope Dr. Phil makes them look like the idiots that they are…..
they deserve no money … who the hell is the lawyer representing these fools….
this is totaly sickening …………… barf!!!
36. MissKatie. I THINK this is the firm representing the Kalpoes:
Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina, LLC
180 North LaSalle Street
Chicago, IL
Yes, no rep (reputation): No case, Kalpoos. (see Paul, he knows about short quips.
No Name: No game. Can’t lose what one does not have. Blue
sam on July 13th, 2008 10:58 am
they lied because they think that joran scumbag v/d sloot was a good friend.they told what joran tel them to say,they trusted him ,but am shore those guys dont have nothing to do with the natalie holloway case. joran was the last person to be with natalie so he´s the only one who can tel the truth..those poor guys are simply victims of joran v/d sloot.
I can tell you, I would never frame 2 black men for murder and kidnapping, no matter who the friend was. Deepak first told the 2 guards in jail that Paulus and Joran and them sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie, later he said he made it up and let 2 men be woke up at daylight, searched and arrested on suspicion of murder and kidnapping. Nice guy.. yeah right.. How about telling a chat friend Natalee put her hands down your pants to throw off an investigation, before there was one? How about a girl that he says got in the car introduced herself and said hi and he is heard later on tape refering to Natalee as a slut, when they are claiming no sexual stuff took place other than kissing. Kissing makes you a slut? His demeanor talking down about Natalee on the tape. What did Natalee ever do to him? His mother appearing on tv blowing their time line out of the water and then asking that the tape not be shown. His police transcipt talking about how Joran and Freddie went out and were the first to make the moves towards the girls and they have all been in the same room together having sex with tourists. Joran said a guard at the lighthouse said noone was at the lighthouse that night and a statement is in record of that.. Deepak still claims they were at the lighthouse. How about saying he thinks Joran raped Natalee. Joran saying Deepak raped and buried Natalee by the fisherman’s huts. How about Dompig saying they are guilty as hell. How about Steve Cohen saying these 3 did something terrible to your daughter. He went on to say 2 of the 3 had sex with Natalee (btw Steve Cohen had said he was briefed on the case all the time and knew the facts prior to saying that) He went on to say he and the prosecutor expected them to be charged with rape and murder. The prosecutor said to Beth this is a sex crime. How about cleaning your car before daylight it’s listed in JQK papers. First it was ants, then sand. Last time Greta was in Aruba she was told by neighbors of the Kalpoes, they saw them cleaning their car inside and out. How about the transcript in the car of if they find the girl, they will see that s^^t. How about Nadira saying Natalee never did speak to either one of her kids. Yet Deepak says she did. She also says Satish don’t drink. However they state they drank that night. Why did Satish say Deepak drove there and parked the car and Deepak says Satish drove and parked the car? Why are Deepak and Satish not suing Steve Cohen or Joran or Dompig?
How about the following statements by Hans Mos.. He does not say this excludes the Kalpoes.
Charges were dropped against Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, prosecutor Hans Mos said, not because he didn’t have a case but because he couldn’t be sure of a conviction.
The decision not to prosecute doesn’t mean “there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest,” Mos told CNN.
He said his office remains determined to find the truth. “We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now.”
Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager’s disappearance on May 30, 2005.
In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.
The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.
New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.
Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects behind bars.
In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.
Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.
But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway’s death or how she died. “If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now,” Mos said.
Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.
The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect — whom Mos did not name — told her that “he didn’t want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn’t be discussed over the phone,” he said.
Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their re-arrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.
A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited “very peculiar behavior” the day after Holloway’s disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.
A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.
Why do the refuse to answer the questions? Clearly they put themselves in the position they are in from their behaviour to their own words…IMO..
Here’s a few more.. Not one of them ever went out looking for Natalee,, ever.. why? If they thought it would help clear them by finding her alive or dead? If they had nothing to do with it, why would it matter? Why not talk and tell the truth instead of lies and more lies, so they could be cleared and prosecutors could move on to look elsewhere. Instead 3 years of stonewalling? Why was Deepak’s car at the Sloots the night Beth arrived. All 3 claim Deepak was at work and then went to the casino where Joran was after work. Not once did they say they were at the sloots.. and Joran said he wasn’t home either, yet when the night Beth arrived people went to the Sloots home, and one climbed over the fence and wrote down Deepak’s plate number on his car at the Sloots, when Beth arrived , the car was gone. Why did Deepak say they left the police station went to the Sloots sat on the floor talking to Paulus, then he went home, went to bed, yet Beth said that morning when she went to the police station, Deepak’s car was parked at the police station, during the time he said he had went home. She never saw the Kalpoes at the police station. Dennis Jacobs was complaining he needed coffee, a shave and frosted flakes and couldn’t talk yet, disappeared and hours later came back and said we won’t be needing your statement today to Beth.
and…
I agree with everyone 100%
The Kalpoes had to know what happened to her… or, atleast ‘thought’ they did. The statement about finding ‘all that shit’ was a threat used against Deepak, who I believe provided the drug used on Natalee. They weren’t innocent; and they were guilty enough to be hooked by a psychopath and used to cover the crime against Natalee.
In the hands of Judge-in-training, Paulus Van der Sloot; they were puppets… with hearts made of wood. Imagine one saying that Natalee was a slut. I still think that Beth, instincly, hit a chord when she said that Natalee was a virgin. What, exactly, could he have gotten so mad about?
If Freddy knows, then Deepak knows…
The fact that he won’t tell, makes him JUST as guilty as the person who was, ultimately, responsible for her death; according to the Law of the U.S. But, in Aruba, I suppose there’s no such thing as ‘obstruction’ because there is no JUSTICE.
The Prime Minister, himself, ordered the cover-up in a radio address.
Thank you, Red, Mrs. Red; for Scared Monkeys dot com. You are the greatest! It is only under your watchful eye that we are allowed to seek justice in her name… in deep respect for her faith, her kindness and her spirit of forgiveness. This is not about tooting your horn. It’s about seeking justice in a world that does not allow it… the Carribean.
Boycott Aruba!
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Thank you, Red, Mrs. Red, Klaassend, Richard, Carpe, Sunny; Sweet, Sweet Idstlou, Allan, M.D., Miss Katie, Brie and all my other favorite Monkeys. We are a team; always have been and always will be.
ARUBA’s Gonna BURN…
Light the Fires!!!
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patti
you got it were a team we stick together.. we are on the same side .. seeking justice for natalie and her family.. I am truly proud to be part of such a dynamic group of monkeys with the biggest hearts!!!
PATTI YOUR THE BOMB TOO… ALONG WITH BRIE AND ALL THOSSE YOU MENTIONEDRed, Mrs. Red, Klaassend, Richard, Carpe, Sunny; Sweet, Sweet Idstlou, Allan, M.D., , Brie
RICHARD ,KAYE,ALSO
AND ALL THOSE OTHERS … TO NUMEROUS TO MENTION …
CANT FORGET MY DEAR FRIEND ALWAYS 1
The lawsuit is filed in Los Angeles…
Hollywood!
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Deepak Kalpoe:
Come On DOWN!!!
You are the next contestant on
The PRICE is RIGHT!!!!!
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Always 1, New York Chic, Dark Pen, Ron, S.S., Maggie, Molly, Miss U., Justice for Natalee, the list goes on and on and on.
MONKEY’s from all over the world!
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Carpe, another great line of yours!
“Their hearts are full of unwashed socks.”
(So is my laundry basket, but that’s another matter.)
Let’s remember, folks, that initially Paulus van der Scum paid for the Kalpoes’ legal defense as well as that of his demon son.
And, of course, Deepak said in prison to another prisoner that Paulus was organizing the whole story from day one.
And, of course, the Kalpoes were over at the van der Scum home (was Anita providing refreshments?) from day one.
Quite a noble guy, Pvd Scum … only interested in helping out those poor Kalpoe kids.
Reflect, of course, upon this truism: he who pays the lawyer controls the lawyer. And therefore controls the defense.
PvdScum held all the strings from day one.
Purely out of the goodness of his heart, I guess.
Maggie (#39) … Those remarks by Deepak about Natalee being a slut and dressing like a slut, to me, very strongly imply a kind of mental hysteria, and the need to justify himself in whatever happened.
The thinking must be (and nobody can accept the premise for a second) that Natalee’s behavior justifies whatever they did to her; i.e., she’s “only a tramp,” so who cares?
Of course, we know that such a claim is pure BS.
To me, it suggests that he’s grasping for straws … the old “she asked for it” thinking.
Obviously it’s the most irrational thing for a suspect to say; makes no sense at all.
And after that, are we supposed to believe Joran’s statement to Patrick van der Eem that the Kalpoes weren’t involved? CAN anyone believe it?
It’s been said that Natalee Holloway will save the lives of thousands of people. I believe that it’s because of her character. It seems to touch anyone that reads her story. In some cases, simply the sound of her name draws you in and steals your heart.
As long as she is missing…
As long as there is a glimpse of opportunity…
A hope for life…
We will seek her out.
call for Justice in her Cause…
and
Boycott the Island
that, secretly, schemed against her.
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Aruba!
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Richard:
Isn’t there a chance that she could be alive?
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I keep thinking about the jet that was cleared through Caracao to land in Aruba. The jet that someone said was Beth’s… waiting at the airport for Natalee to come out of rehab…
There’s no way!
Beth wouldn’t have a lear jet waiting on the runway…
So… WHO would?
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If there were some drug lord…
some sick individual in The nether, Netherland…
or
a REAL pimp…
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You got trafficking
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I think you’re right.
They were trying to traffic her…
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Maggie:
Remember, they called themselves
The Pimps…
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Deepak Kalpoe:
COME ON DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Richard,
I have to give props to Dr. Seuss for the
unwashed socks line. LOL!
—
Here’s anotha for slimey Sloot…
(Sloot, sounds like boat)
You’re a rotter, Mr. Van der sloot
You’re the king of sinful sots.
Your heart’s a dead tomato splot
With moldy purple spots.
-j4n
#34….Hi Richard, yes I remember…also Paulus said he knew what happened but couldn’t say because innocent people would get hurt….what a line of BS…Natalee is gone and not one person has been held accountable or responsible….three punks on the prowl…stalking young American girls….the only reliable information we have gotten is from Beth, Dave and Jug..Jossy too and of course our friends, Scared Monkeys….and thank God for Beth or there would of been two more victims of something horrible that would of been the result of these punks….
And Deepak driving around the island in the sex mobile…repulsive…and washing his car at 3AM….then Satish says something bad happened….they were probably threatened with the fact that they could be sent back to Suriname….
So what about these Kalpoes and their sex mobile…driving around with their monitors and video camera’s ….a money maker for Freddy the freak….the Sloot’s know all about him and yet he is a guest at their house for dinner…and spends the night at Joran’s apartment, the night Natalee disappears…
Don’t forget:
Deepak was the one that Joran criticized for calling his house and saying ‘I hit the jackpot’ and Satish was criticized for knowing the mechanic at the garage who’s owner was found dead in a storage area locked from the outside.
How many people lost their lives in order to keep their secrets secret? How many people lost their lives in trying to come forward? We know, for example, that there was a boy that worked at the lighthouse who was buried on June 6, 2005 who died under unusual circumstances (seizures) and a blonde girl who was buried the same day. What about that garage owner and the bouncer at the bar that Deepak stopped-at that fateful night? Are those pure coincidences OR was there a payoff that came down on the side of the Kalpoe family?
Shango says the Hindu’s will sing a poison song…
Have they sang with their lies?
Or is the trial the place where they will shock
the world with their deliverence of the ‘truth’?
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Last call for alcohol, Deepak…
Come on down.
Shed some light on the many coincidences
that have come to haunt you by day and night!
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Reveal your dirty hand!
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Then, too, it’s also wise to remember it was Joran that made the ultimate threat…
‘I should’ve killed you when I had the chance’
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This is a bit OT but does anyone know when the ocean searches will begin again….TIA
SusyQ (#57) … On another thread, Steve Holloway said (if I remember correctly) that efforts are being made to raise money so that the search can be renewed this autumn. Previously, we had been told that the search would resume in summer.
I hope that money can be raised to get the job done. Some months ago, I wrote to Jossy Mansur urging him to take the lead in fund-raising on Aruba. If anyone has the moral obligation to contribute money, it’s Aruba.
He wrote back to me the same day I e-mailed him, saying that he liked the idea and would take the lead. Since then, I’ve not heard a word and don’t know if anything was done.
Maybe ScaredMonkeys can follow up on this?
Patti (#51) … And don’t forget, a number of drug busts have been made in the Caribbean where people have been on their yachts, going from the Caribbean islands to Europe. So at least that is a possibility … not to mention that the South American continent is eight minutes away or so.
Is it possible? I think so. I haven’t seen any evidence or heard of any reported sightings of Natalee anywhere (unlike Amy Bradley, where detailed sightings have come in).
The obvious reply is that nobody ever announced seeing Elizabeth Smart or Natascha Kupisch (spelling?) until they were recovered.
But those cases aren’t evidential in Natalee’s disappearance.
My mind remains open, after swinging one way and another like the door of a vacant house in the wind.
Brie (#53) … That statement of Paulus van der Scum would seem to me to be in the same category as his son’s comment on the GvS blog: someday I’ll tell the truth about what happened but not now.
In my mind, both comments cry out for action. Of course, Aruba does nothing ….
Meanwhile, PvdScum continues to do legal work for Aruba? After that comment?
I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.
The fund raiser needs to start soon. An idea I talked with him about is maybe a ebay auction. A large picture of Natalee would go to the highest bidder with all funds going toward this boat search. There could be different auctions spaced out with different picture’s. I just talked with him about this idea, so its not a done deal.
God Bless
Oddly enough, this story came out today. Remember this woman? Kept prisoner in a cellar for TWENTY FOUR YEARS? And she bore children to her father?
Nobody would believe this … but it happened.
Now, you’ll say, and say correctly, that this does not prove anything about Natalee’s fate. I don’t claim that it does. All I say is … read it, and then say these things don’t happen.
The paper is the New Zealand Herald.
And please read the last sentence … prosecutors are worried about an international outcry if the sentence isn’t severe enough. Aruba deja vu?
Cellar hostage to tell story to prosecutors
Monday July 14, 2008
By Kate Connolly
Elisabeth Fritzl, the Austrian woman who was held hostage in a cellar by her father for 24 years, has begun to tell her story to prosecutors, in the run-up to a trial in the worst recorded case of incest and imprisonment.
At a preliminary session with investigators on Saturday, Elisabeth, 42, was taken to a secret location and shown the rooms where the intense interviewing sessions are to take place over several days or weeks.
The questioning is due to begin in earnest today. Her evidence will be videotaped and played during the trial so that she will not have to face her father in court this winter.
Elisabeth had earlier backed out of an attempt to question her. She had been told that her father, Josef, 74, would be able to watch the sessions via a video link from his St Polten prison cell and that he would be allowed to pose questions directly to her. She told investigators she was not ready to face him. But Fritzl’s lawyer, Rudolf Mayer, has since declared that his client would waive his right to be present during the questioning, although he can still change his mind.
As Elisabeth recalls the years during which she was allegedly sexually abused by her father, tied up, and bore seven children to him without any medical attention, psychologists will be on hand and can insist that the interviewing is broken off at any time.
Elisabeth will be interviewed by Andrea Hummer, the young judge who will preside over the case and who is an expert in sexual crimes.
In a neighbouring room, the interview will be watched by state prosecutor Christiane Burkheiser and Fritzl’s lawyer, both of whom will be able to pose questions to Elisabeth via Hummer. The scenario is one usually reserved for child victims of sexual abuse to protect them from further trauma.
“The questioning will take place according to the state of mind of the witness,” Gerhard Sedlacek, spokesman for the state prosecution service of St Polten, told Der Spiegel. “We waited until she was healthy enough to give evidence before beginning.”
At the end of the month, her oldest children, Stefan, 18, and Kerstin, 19 – who emerged from an artificially induced coma to the amazement of medical staff and her family last month – are also due to give evidence. They, along with Felix, 5, were imprisoned with their mother in the cellar.
Three other children – Lisa, 15, Monika, 14, and Alexander, 12 – whom Fritzl claimed his daughter had dropped on the family doorstep, asking him and his wife Rosemarie to take care of them, were brought up upstairs.
As the two parts of the family, who are living in a flat at a psychiatric clinic near their hometown of Amstetten, seek to build a new life together, it has been revealed that hospital staff have been regularly disguising the children and smuggling them past waiting photographers to take them on secret trips to learn about ordinary life and social interaction.
Lisa, 15, was even sent to a youth camp. There have been trips to zoos and leisure parks. Felix is being taught to swim in the clinic’s pool. The family has been learning to be patient with each other.
Psychologists say that one of the greatest challenges has been for the “upstairs” children to accept the slowness of the “downstairs” children, whose lives revolved around a few books and a television set, and were played out in a tiny space devoid of natural light or fresh air.
The “downstairs” children continue to be startled by seemingly mundane events like a moving cloud or a chirping bird.
For now, the key decision that must be made is what Fritzl, who has confessed to imprisoning Elisabeth and having children with her, can be charged with.
A neonatologist is seeking to determine whether Fritzl can be charged with murder after DNA tests confirmed he was the father of a twin who died shortly after birth and whose body he allegedly threw into a furnace.
“It will be difficult to bring a murder charge,” Sedlacek admitted. If he is found guilty of murder along with kidnapping and rape, Fritzl faces life in prison. Without a murder conviction, he faces 10 to 15 years in jail, which could create a national and international outcry.
Steve Holloway … That’s what we all want, the water search to resume. I’m sure we’re all poised to help in any way we can. All that we need is to hear what we can do, when, and how.
I hope that you will pass that message on.
Richard:
That’s the thing that is so amazing about these abductions. The victims, many times, will live under less than human conditions for years, without attempts to run or reach out for help from their family members. If you recall, one was even paraded around, merely, blocks from her home with no attempt to make contact.
There is no doubt in my mind that Natalee was held against her will in the fisherman’s cage in Aruba for a number of days before she was either flown, shipped or killed. There is no proof that the body at the rocks is Natalee as we have, only, the word of a tyrant in his quest to cover the crime and save his island the embarrassment of being unfriendly.
Natalee didn’t do drugs. She would not have, willingly, left her group. She wasn’t hanging around in Aruba while her family was searching for her. She was not free to go… held against her will, probably in a state of fear, hoping that someone would save her. The jet plane is a real eye-opener, if it’s true. Clearly, under the pretense of being hired by her mother to save her from the self-destruction of drug use… perhaps the kidnappers were hoping to be able to load a drugged Natalee aboard that jet to make a clean getaway.
If you are right and there was some sort of a trafficking deal struck up between her abductors and an unknown animal, the officials would not think much of her condition… but, perhaps there were just too many people and too much publicity to take the chance. The perfect way of killing her would be to involve the Arawak Nation and the secrecy that they are sworn to. Besides, would the island of Aruba turn against their own officials, ministers or, especially, their PRIME Minister in reporting the crime committed against Natalee.
Over and over again, there were sightings of burials, in what appears to be, the moving of her body… but when you consider that there was another girl, a blonde, killed during that week adds a new perspective to the case.
Is Natalee dead, or is that what the island of Aruba, with ALL their dirty hands, wanted us to think.
I agree with Steve Holloway, we need to get back to Aruba and see if the Caribbean sea might hold some answers, if not the body of the girl that they couldn’t get out of Aruba. Her family deserves answers. They deserve to know the fate of their daughter. Either way, dead or alive, she deserves to be returned to her loved ones. Even if we have to unturn EVERY stone in Aruba, or change the way the world views these abductions to get to the truth, that is what we must do to assure that Natalee be afforded that opportunity.
Boycotting Aruba is the answer.
Jossy has provided us a clear view into the type of crimes committed against the people of Aruba and the surrounding drug-infested countries like Venezuella and Colombia. Perhaps, Natalee along with God’s holy spirit has been revealing our enemies as it seems that they are so sure of themselves that they dare to commit these crimes right in front of us… making it clear that the citizens of Aruba are held captive to the power that IS the Arawak Nation!
Americans:
Stay out of Aruba!
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Boycott!!!
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carpe??
who is the guy in the picture next to natalee??
Robin Grasmeijer, the artist who painted it.
It is beautiful work, huh MK?
http://tinyurl.com/5899f4
patti
If the aruban officials wanted to distract us and makes us think that natalee was killed and if indeed like amy bradly … she could be out there somewhere … human trafficked!!!
Anything is a possibility.. look how amy bradly disappeared and there have been sightings of her.
perhaps pauulus sold natalee to human traffickers that he does business with possibly thats how joran and the deepaks work!!!(FOR PAULUS) they possibly could be in over their heads here… but why would they be stupid enough to get greedy for money and possibly expose their selves to the real truths here…. they know!!
the people involved know….
maybe they would like everyone to think that she is in the sea or landfill.. could it be thats why many were killed around that time… and another blonde to divert attention and cause mass confusion…
could she be somewhere alive …. I tend to believe 100% that amy bradley is out there….
does it seem so far fetched for this to be a reality for natalee…. drugged and made to believe she is someone else… brainwashed and programmed.. a different mindset!! to totaly not have any memory of her past..if she was.. having vague .memories..
she would think its a figment of her imagination … if she were alive….
dont put anything past people from those countries that traffic humans … its a big money market!!!!
MissKatie, I think defamation of character is very hard to prove, I think you have to prove intent to harm, this will probably be dropped.
HMMMMMMMMMMM i WAS THINKING!!!
could it be possible ? since we have the two deepoop brothers here on our soil!!
to offer them exile and money if they tell the truth…
we have them at our disposal … doesnt it sound like an idea?
they could get rich by telling the truth and exposing pauulus and joran!!!!!
we set them up financialy… granted they dont deserve anything … but do we not want to solve this case and make paulus sizzle possibly in ol sparky!!!
I am loosing it from so much csi movies….
but just thinking… stinking thinking???????????
since we have the two deepoop brothers here on our soil!!
to offer them exile and money if they tell the truth…
…
Just my thinking… for whatever that’s worth…
(very little)
Why would you want to pay two filthy donkey loads
like the Kalpoes for helping with the crime
along with Joran and his dad?
They had a hand in it or they would have
given up those two mongols long ago. imho
If they touch down on U.S. soil, they should
be rototilled into in it, not on top.
Miss Katie:
I come here and I go.
The last time I was here, I was sure that someone was ready to talk. Clearly, the Kalpoes are the missing link, here. For a long time, I thought they had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance and I still have a hard time fitting them into the picture of Natalee’s disappearance. I, still, think that she was abducted from the beach… perhaps, due to an overdose or from a punch to the head. The Kalpoes were called and, perhaps, Joran and his father tried to make them think that they were responsible for her demise. I, also, believe that Satish asked about her the next day. Surely, by then, whatever plan that Paulus and Joran had for her was put in motion and Paulus used the two brothers to cover his tracks… divert the investigation and cover it up.
Yes, I do believe that Paulus is involved in human trafficking. It’s evident that Minister Briesen who, I believe, is the minister of health (go figure) owns a brothel in Colombia. But the fact that Joran was on that beach, yelling that he’s the ‘king’ of the ocean is, definately, something that an Arawak would do.
I don’t and never have believed anything the officials have said. It doesn’t matter to me that they said that this was a sex crime… I think it was much, much more than that! Natalee was stalked, the whole time she was in Aruba. Establishing that she was a virgin was a turning point. Granted a virgin brings big money in the world of trafficking… but, so does a virgin to sacrifice to the gods… especially if she is an American Beauty.
Does anyone know whether the family have established whether the girl at the rocks is Natalee? Maybe she has a mole or a birthmark that can be matched up with the photos of the girl at the rocks. Personally, I think it’s her; but why would her family ignore the film from the Chicago 5?
I want to know that we have the family’s support, as well.
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Luv ya…
Keep the faith!
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I think we all want the same thing
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SM: The family has not ignored the Aru-Bay videos, they have seen them and had screen shots since 2005. I’m sure the FBI has also seen them. My guess is the FBI doesn’t see the same things in the videos that you do. Personally, I do think that the Aru-Bay video in the rock area near the lighthouse was a crime scene and ALE was there “cleaning up”. Personally, I don’t see any body or body parts in that video, maybe the FBI doesn’t either? (klaasend)
Is it even necessary for them to come to the US for such a hearing? I imagine so, but don’t know.
Always1, would you please e-mail me? Thanks!
MissKatie (and everyone else) … Remember that in Amy Bradley’s case, about a year after she disappeared (during that year, there were two reported sightings of which I know … neither person had heard of Amy BEFORE the sightings, but when they saw her photo, they identified her as the girl they had seen, with no hesitation), the American sailor encountered her in a rundown motel serving apparently as a temporary brothel.
At that time, she identified herself to him BY NAME and asked for his help. He did nothing, went back to his ship, and for three years kept silent about it.
Then, in a supermarket checkout lane, he saw an article of People’s magazine about famous missing-girl cases (this was when the Chandra Levy case was in full swing). He contacted Amy’s parents and the FBI, and passed a polygraph.
Here’s my point … although the sailor was silent for three years, soon after the encounter in Curacao, the Bradleys were on their porch one night. A neighbor called them and asked if they knew that they were being photographed covertly by people in two cars nearby.
They went to check it out … the cars sped off.
So what? The point is, in so many of these cases (this has proven to be true in this country and overseas), the use of threats and terror against the victim AND HER FAMILY is standard.
“You try to get away, or alert the police … we’ll track you down and kill you, and we’ll get your family too. Think we’re joking? Here, here’s a photo of your family at home. We can find them any time, day or night.”
I could post lots of articles here about this, but you get the point. Besides, the victim of a kidnapping is going to believe any threats made … she’s obviously in the power of her captors as it is!
Everyone in the world knows the Holloway family by now. IF, and I’m saying IF, this was what happened to Natalee … then her family could be located with ease. What would she do? What COULD she do, in a foreign land?
Trafficking is not the simplest answer. But I’m still bemused by the comment of Jan van der Straaten, early in the case. I’ve been told that an accurate translation would go: “I know she’s dead because I’m the chief investigator.”
Huh? Suppose someone said that in Washington … what would the media do? They’d go crazy.
But Aruba hasn’t YET done ANYTHING about that comment, as far as I know.
And remember, Paulus van der Sloot is so important on Aruba, so powerful … that he failed to get the judgeship he wanted. Any theory that posits he’s got a kind of hold over every important Aruban has to take that into consideration.
I could ramble on and on … it’s all speculation … but I don’t think it’s absurd.
It might not be the most likely explanation … but if you believe that the Aruba cover-up is deep and pervasive, then something more than PvdScum or three punk kids is involved.
It can’t happen to an American (Amy Bradley notwithstanding) … yes, and someone can’t be kept captive in a cellar for 24 years and bear children.
But it DID happen.
And one more question: why did Paulus van der Sloot go to Florida soon (I think it was a few months, but am not sure) after Natalee vanished?
The reason given was because he had to tell the school that had accepted Joran that he would not be going there after all.
Uh-huh. A message that could be delivered over the phone, by e-mail, in a letter … and you fly to another country for that?
I’m not buying it.
One more thing…
Remember the article from Aruba during the time the teachers were striking?
What is a ‘holy’ communion?
Obviously, it’s something that is very important, in their culture, for the seniors. But in a world that sacrifices children, practices witchcraft and denies the Christ; how does a ‘holy’ communion play out?
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Okay, just one more post before I sign off.
When the Bradleys were on their cruise in 1998, the ship, as I think is the custom, held a number of formal dinners. There were different seatings for these, as not everyone could take part at the same time.
It was also the custom to have photographs taken of the passengers, and to offer these photos for sale to the passengers. The photos were left at the place settings for the passengers, I believe.
On this trip, four photographs and four photographs only were stolen. Doubtless it’s a coincidence … the four photos stolen were of the four members of the Bradley family.
Yes, quite a coincidence indeed.
Klaas:
I do…
I see a body…
and
I’m not the only one!
The body is real, just as the Arawak culture is real and the injuries on the body are consistent with a human sacrifice.
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I would never do anything to hurt you. If you prayed for a hero and put your faith on the line, and He came through for you…
I’d be ecstatic!
… but, that didn’t happen.
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We’re not rocks…
We are not made of stone…
We are flesh and blood…
and have hearts, too.
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Natalee’s justice is more important
than our own peronal feelings.
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Nite…
(klaasend)
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SM: Patti – we don’t have to agree on everything to have the same wishes in this case
Klassend, will you please send Richard my email address.. Thanking you in advance.
___________________
(klaasend)
SM: Done
Not only does he call her a slut, but also says if he knew where here body was, he would tell. Just like Paulus’s words, no body, no case. Richard I often heard that the people who commit crimes against a person talk down about them to somehow justify what was done to them.
My daughter had emergency surgery this evening, she is home visiting from Florida. She is doing fine tonight, but reading through all those papers today and filling them out asking if you have a living will etc..just really hit me.. She is my only daughter.. I did think of Natalee and I also thought of Jennifer Kesse.. I won’t say I don’t know how they do it, because I know there is no alternative, but I will say I can even imagine the depth of agony these two familes have been through. (others as well), but I have followed Jennifer and Natalee’s case close. The thought of life without my daughter and you go back and think about when you first saw them. I never stop thinking about Jennifer or Natalee and their families.
Steve Holloway, sounds like a great idea and I agree.. I can not imagine what your families have endured this past 3 years. We all feel like through all of you, we know Natalee and have come to love her also. We all truly hope and pray Natalee gets to come home to those who love her.
ALE says they recovered the body of a boy missing for several years…
What the hell?
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Do we know what became of THAT body?
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Klaas:
You’re right, we don’t have to agree on everything; but, is it in the interest of Natalee that other possibilities are ignored while a multitude of information that serves to enhance one theory is considered sacred?
Who’s interest does THAT serve?
Could your theory uphold the same scutiny that has been put on those that have a differing opinion?
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SM: I’m not suggesting that anyones theory be ignored, where did you get that idea? (klaasend)
Richard, Klassend sent you my email address. Bless you Klassend
#73…Richard…another thing to remember…shortly, very shortly after Natalee disappeared Paulus and Joran went to, I believe it was Georgia, to visit some friends and go shopping….these friends supposedly said that Joran had admitted to Paulus that he killed Natalee and threw her to the sharks…and whoever they told this to reported it to the FBI….but I don’t know where I read the story…there are so many inconsistencies… And of course, it wasn’t necessary for Paulus to go to Florida because Joran was not going to attend school there….seems like there are many of those who are certainly questionable that go to Florida….
I would like to thank the kalpo brothers, for geting natalees story back on the front page again .now if Joran will just nmess up again.
Didn’t those Kalpoes get tossed
out of Suriname for diddling with
a sleeping cow, or sumpin’?
Have you ever seen their family portrait?
It looks like when Latka Gravas’ folks,
from the old TV show TAXI, came to visit him
in America.
They all appear to have ransacked
the bargain bin at K-Mart in
one fell swoop. -j4n
Defamation of character…the Kalpoes lost that when started hanging around with Joran and knowing what he doing…. and your not anyone decent who is a member of the pimp club and discusses on line what they do to American girls…
And you escorted Natalee to your car like a taxi driver…
You washed your car at 3 in the morning…
You told the lie about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn….
You went to Sloot’s house to discuss the lies you were going to tell….
And now you two losers want money….Aruba should deport your a~~es back to Suriname….!!!
Benh:
Is it National ‘Talk like a Pirate’ day’?
Maggie, glad to hear that your daughter is doing well, but emergency surgery doesn’t sound encouraging. I’m sure that we all hope for the best, and that you will keep us informed.
Always1, got your e-mail address (thank you, moderator Klaasen) and sent you my question. I think I’m at sea about the issue I raised.
And Brie, I hadn’t heard about this Georgia trip. I wonder who in hell these people are … is it possible that the van der Scums would make such an admission to them? Seems odd to me. In any case, would they have said “killed” or, as in the “confession” made to Patrick van der Eem, did Natalee “just collapse”?
(Isn’t it interesting how, in that “confession,” not only are the Kalpoes exonerated … something that makes no sense, given what we know … but Joran himself plays no part in Natalee’s death.)
And I wonder what kind of “shopping” they were doing. The whole thing sounds suspect to me.
I wonder if any branch of the government keeps tabs by name on foreign visitors to the U.S., and whether those names are made available to the public. Might do some research along this vein.
Richard:
I’m going to do my own research, too. But, obviously, something is array when you have the government of Aruba executing death certificates with fake causes and, nearly, everything they say is full of sarcasm and inuendo. Doesn’t ANYONE in Aruba know how to be truthful?
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and…
I will continue to poke the lion, Joran, and see if he cares to share more information about himself. Has he, ever, responded to the comments made on Scared Monkeys as much as he did that night on the beach where he proclaimed himself the ‘god’ of the ocean?
and…
Why did Aruba back out of the show in Washington.
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Reminds me of the song by Billy Joel…
pResSuRe!
always1
I agree so maybe they aint got a leg to stand on
smiles
(00)i see
(@@) I see always 1
brie (@@) I see what you mean there and agree with you 100% they arent gonna get rich……
lmao carpe.. they molested a sleeping cow? I heard they got booted for a crime against a woman
patti
who did joran say that to
that he should of killed them while he had the chance.. the kalpoops?
thank you carpe
yes indded beautiful work he did … great picture of her.. I was wondering if it was you carpe.. thanks for the answer…
carpe I meant to say indded oops
lmaooooo sorry carpe
I think I need hooked on phonics
I guess I just lost my chance for the spelling bee lmao
I meant to say
INDEED
“and…
I will continue to poke the lion.”
…
Hey Patti,
Ain’t that what Roy kept telling Siegfried?
http://tinyurl.com/6gpy2X
Carpe:
When was the last time YOU took YOUR medicine?!?!!
LMAO!
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Is THAT what I said?
Did I say it or write it?
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(voices)
(O)^(0)
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just kidding…
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Whatsha got?
Code talkin’?
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Personally,
I like game shows…
Hollywood Style!
with all that:
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PiZZaZZ!
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Nite…
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#87….Richard, what I read did not give any names but it is a possibility that these friends might be relatives…Gottenbos’s went to Georgia and Sander, Koen and Joran are cousins….this was before they became suspects….is that where Joran got his new K-Swiss shoes….of course, we don’t know if it’s true or not….apparently a conversation between these people and someone else was overheard by a third party….
So I’m reading on the forum that people believe there was a car switch, those rotten SOB’S….so they were given 10 days to find another vehicle and made people believe it was Deepak’s car….that’s why the sample came back from Holland saying chocolate, could of been….only they sent the wrong sample from the wrong car… Deepak was washing it early that morning because of the blood on the outside of the car that he didn’t want anyone to see….
Maybe those photos of the cars could be sent to Dr. Phil….might help him with the case to show how these boys participated in the cover-up…
Are we ever going to get to the whole truth….I hope so…there are so many suspicious things that happened that night and evidence everywhere….
Thanks, Brie. If no names were given, then I’m wondering if the incident arose on the Internet … it seems hard for me to imagine that they would be talking about such a thing in public, or at all. That, of course, doesn’t prove anything.
Patti … I think Dompig was honest when he said the three were “guilty as hell.” And maybe more?
Remember when Beth went with the investigators to the Sloots house and Paulus sent them on the wild goose chase….they arrived back at the house and Beth said that Deepak and Joran were all sweaty and dirty…maybe they were at a car wash, cleaning the living daylights out of the car, also probably cleaned the carpet and the upholstery, scrubbing the tires to make sure there wasn’t any blood stains….at least to cover it up for the time being…
I know Jug has said that he wished he would of looked in the trunk but at the time who really knew what those three were up to….everyone followed the story of the drop off at the Holiday Inn….
Welcome Richard….sorry it’s been so long ago I don’t recall where I read it..probably nothing to it anyway or we would of heard more…
Brie, I long ago suggested that IF something more sinister than a “mere” drugging/assault was planned, the car switch would have been likely.
Do that, and bingo! The only possible connection that any bystander, or any of the Mountain Brook kids, could have made would have been broken.
I don’t know if there’s any evidence to suggest this … but if it is true, it suggests that:
1. More people than the three were involved.
2. More planning was done than has been thought.
3. Something more sinister than a ‘mere’ sex crime was in the works. Otherwise, what would be the need?
We know, because Natalee’s cousin witnessed it, that just after they left Carlos ‘n’ Charlies with Natalee, the three pulled up at a nearby bar (I believe where Pitbull, he who died of a cocaine overdose after cutting off his arms and legs, and perhaps other appendages according to some reports, and setting himself on fire, worked) and Deepak ran in and came right back out.
Seems to me he was giving a signal that had been pre-arranged. That to me is the only idea that makes sense.
Is there any new evidence to support the idea of a car change? Certainly that could have been done in a second.
I see, too.
… and agree 100%
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going to the beach!
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# 88 – Patti,
ATA heard that I’d be in the DC area, so they ran for the hills…LOL!!
Another issue: if the car switch was made, then how do we regard the issue of Deepak’s washing out his car at 3 a.m.? Obviously, if Natalee were dead at the time of the car switch (once again, we’re ASSUMING there was one, right?), then the whole exercise would be pointless.
It’s widely agreed that Natalee had had too much to drink, and most people believe she was drugged.
Accordingly, it’s not unlikely (in my view) that she simply vomited at some point while in the car.
She was short, and short people (it’s said) show the effects of alcohol more quickly. To my shame, I can recall a few occasions in my teens ….
If she passed out in the car, and awoke, then the need to be sick would probably have been sudden.
If she were restrained, or hit, that could have been a factor too.
And clearly, if someone is sick in your car, you would want to clean it up asap.
This could be an explanation. Doesn’t disprove any other ideas, of course.
I cant tell you how disappointed i was that the courts in NY decided that the Holloway family could not take their case through the courts there, i would have thought the minute that the Kalpoes entered the American justice system then that brought the case onto your sjores. I think it a disgrace that Natalee was let down in this manner by fellow Americans.
Still thinking and praying every day for Natalee and her family !!!
meant “shores”, sorry !!
Seems like those responsible have managed to wiggle out of everything…but the worst of all is Joran….however, somethings have happened, he is not going to get that big fat compensation check he talked about, he is not welcome in Aruba anymore and he exposed himself for what he really is…
Wish we could get a reporter to give us some news on the Kalpoes and Dr Phil…I hope he can manage to get some answers out of those scumbags…maybe under pressure Satish will crack….
I guess Beth can’t do anything about her civil suit with Joran running around Bangkok….
You can still get him though, Brie…
Send him two cross-eyed Thai ho’s with a wicked case of the ichiban burnie coo-coo!
Put a strategically placed Velcro dot in
his Hilfigers.
…or maybe bake him up a special cake?
I think what we need here is some
good old fashioned American creativity.
Elmo workin’ on it.
-j4n
sorry carpe
I guess I thought we could get the truth from them .. just a thought… but I know they deserve nada… zilch.. I do hope they go away empty handed and with their tails between their legs…
brie I agree that with alot of pressure they can get those two creeps to crack and sing like a bird…
thanks patti for your response… I enjoy your input …
makes me wonder if anyone will recognize those two creeps.. wherever they are lodging… someone to follow them around…
just a thought
nice to sik carpe on them.. what ya think carpe .. get your hands on them??
carpe if you dont take your meds for a month.. you will be prime and ready to get those two cowards in a darm room and go to town on them lol
just kidding .. patti mentioned the meds lol and I am running with it for fun of course..
wow look at all my posts .. I may be the one that needs meds.. I had a day off so here I am~!!
ayyyyyy… speaking of MEDS…
does this little fruitcake need a walloping
dose, or WHAT???
http://tinyurl.com/59st47
So…
What’s in the news in Aruba?
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Miss Katie:
Alot of people see it. Everyone in my family sees it. Some people just like to argue. But, don’t worry, Carpe ReAlLy won’t hurt anyone…
He’s been saying that for years!
I wonder…
how does a child
bring down a NATION?
Does Shango tell us how?
It seems like I read it somewhere in there.
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But, to answer your question, the conversation that I’m talking about took place in the back of a squad car. They DIDN’t know they were being taped. And, I think you get my point… there are a WHOLE lot of THREATS from Joran. That’s why I don’t think they were AS involved as other people do. It wouldn’t surprise me if they reveal the control that was exercised over them. The psychopath, the sociopath and the Hindu’s…
Don’t Jewish people HATE Hindus?
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In the end, Deepak is asking…
You don’t really mean it…
Do you, Joran?
You’re not serious…
or something to that effect.
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It’s all TOO clear who’s got the UPPER Hand…
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Joran’s FATHER!
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It wouldn’t surprise me if they reveal the control that was exercised over them.
…
Patti,
The name of the magical control over
the Kalpoe Bros. is called STUPIDITY.
> I just poke a lion.
Light the FIRES!
Patti,what are you talking about pirates, duh
Those people interested in taking in all possible angles of the Natalee Holloway case, and who are willing to suspend preconceptions, might do well to watch a program tonight (Wednesday, July 16) on Primetime News.
On this program, two teen-age girls kidnapped off the street in Toledo, Ohio, in 2005 and forced into truck-stop prostitution for ten days, until rescued, will be interviewed.
The following information from the Toledo Blade, a newspaper of that city, may be of interest in that it shows these cases are not unique:
“the special fails to put Kimberly and Carol’s case in full perspective as part of the interstate sex ring uncovered by federal law enforcement in 2005.
The television program doesn’t mention that those responsible for kidnapping and exploiting the Toledo teens were only three of 31 people charged after an FBI investigation in 2005 showed teens were being shuttled across Ohio lines for sex in truck stops, motels, and highway welcome centers.
It also doesn’t note that Kimberly and Carol were only two of nine Toledo girls forced into sexual slavery.”
Now we know, of course, that such a tragedy cannot happen in an upstanding, civilized country such as Aruba, where drug trafficking is unknown, the government is competent, and the level of society is so advanced.
Instead, then, let’s think about a small country in Europe called Belgium (next door to the Netherlands, in fact).
Anyone remember the name of Marc Dutroux? If not, look it up on the Internet. This gentleman owned several houses, and in at least one built a dungeon to store girls whom he kidnapped and paid others to kidnap, for the purpose of selling them into prostitution.
His own mother, in 1995, told Belgian police that he was “storing” young girls in one of his houses.
Similarly, in 1993 an associate of his told Belgian police that Dutroux offered him between $3,000 and $5,000 to kidnap girls. The police ignored these reports and other evidence.
(Dutroux later said that he was only part of a ring that sold girls into prostitution, peddled child smut, and other activities. He also said that members of the Belgian government were involved, and that some police were complicit in the kidnappings. These claims have never been proven, or disproven, to my knowledge.)
It is known, however, that at one point police searched a house that he owned. Two teen-age girls were captive there at the time … and somehow the police failed to find them.
According to one source: “Others who were detained or arrested in connection with the Dutroux murders and child-sex ring included Dutroux’s second wife Michelle Martin and Jean-Michel Nihoul, a businessman who confessed to organizing an orgy at a Belgium chateau, which several government officials, police officers, and a former European Commissioner attended. Michel Lelievre, an accomplice in the kidnapping of An Marchal and Eefje Lambreks, was also arrested. In September, 1996, nine police officers in Charleroi were detained for questioning regarding their involvement and possible negligence in the Dutroux investigation.”
(This was taken from something called Crime Library.)
According to the same source, Michelle Martin, when the trial began in 2004, confessed that she had been supposed to feed two captives. She said, however, that she was afraid that they might attack her … so she let them starve to death instead. One of them was 8 years old.
On June 24, 2004, Dutroux was sentenced to life imprisonment.
What does all of this horror have to do with Natalee’s disappearance? Nothing, directly, But it might provoke some thoughts.
In 1996 ordinary Belgians, in protest of the obvious corruption, held what was called the largest general strike since World War II. (Arubans, please note.)
I was wondering if Phil’s lawyers might want to call someone from SM to testify in the trial. If they are going to use your material as evidence then you could really tell the jury what’s what and be a great voice for Natalee !!!!!!!!
Richard, I agree. I don’t think we can rule out anything at this point….someone could have sure sold her. She could be in a palatial high rise penthouse in Saudi Arabia right now. Blondes are in demand in countries where blondes are rare.
Poor Beth and Dave…what are they suppose to believe….!!!!!
I think Natalee died on that island…there were too many things that happened that would suggest she lost her life…!!But then again, how could we be sure!!!!
i still think freddie knows “the truth”. he was jorans best friend. deepak said when they were being secretly taped in the police van, “Freddie knows the truth, ask him”.
i believe the camera that they returned to freddie the first morning after nat disappeared had something incriminating on it. does anyone else have ideas on this?
bucuti beach/tara beach webcam…one person by the pool one on the beach, one in the water……justice for natalee.
# brie. on July 16th, 2008 10:04 am
Poor Beth and Dave…what are they suppose to believe….!!!!!
…
…in their faith, right Brie?
They are two of the most strongest people
I have ever seen. I think they get it from
their concrete foundation of faith.
-Justice for Natalee
I’m still sittin’ over here trying to
figure out how Anita made Paul horny.
Not once, BUT THRICE that we have proof
of.
It just make a brudda say “DANG.”
If I had to work up the courage to go
after that old mule, I believe I would
need a running start.
My choice of a starting point would
be right around Canton, Ohio.
omg carpe
I nearly fell of my chair with this one!!!
HAHAHA LMAO LOL LOL….
MAYBE SHE GOT HIM DRUNK
There was an (unsubstantiated, so far as I know) report that PvdScum and Karin Janssen were shacking up together at one point, so who knows? Maybe Anita got it on with Dompig or Oduber.
In re the truth about Natalee’s fate … as I said above, trafficking certainly isn’t the simplest hypothesis. If we were to assume that for every disappearance ….
(And even if it were the case, it wouldn’t prove that Natalee was still alive.)
But although Occam’s Razor says, in essence, the simplest solution is the best, SOMETIMES the simplest solution is not true and doesn’t work.
Maybe some people think there was no cover-up on Aruba, just stupidity and inexperience at work. I can’t prove that idea wrong, but I don’t see how anyone can think it.
Next question: if there is a cover-up, as we assume, how widespread is it, who is involved … and above all, what is being covered up?
Remember, PvdScum didn’t get the judgeship that he wanted. That was a week before Natalee arrived on Aruba. I think that is a significant thing to consider when people say that he has some kind of hold over the Aruban government.
If he were engaged in some underhanded scheme, then his getting the judgeship would have been good for him and his allies.
This isn’t to say that Paulus isn’t involved in what has happened … it’s obvious that he was and is … but something bigger must be at work.
Only one thing I can think of … and it may or may not be true.
Hey, Aruba, isn’t it way past time for you to summon Jan van der Straaten and ask him about that remark “I know Natalee’s dead because I’m in charge of this investigation.” Suspicious, maybe?
SuzyQ (#125) … Have you read Dave Holloway’s book on Aruba? Do you remember the passage in which he says there were reports about some privately owned island where girls were kept as drugged sex slaves?
As I recall, Dave said he spoke with an American, I believe a yachtsman, who confirmed that such an island did exist. And it was common knowledge.
(PLEASE, folks, check that book for confirmation if you think this plausible. I don’t have a copy of it at hand.)
Amy Bradley is still missing….
I am, absolutely, amazed at the amount of knowledge that has been posted to this ONE page. That’s why Scared Monkeys is amazing. You don’t have to know everything there is to know about Aruba and the kidnapping of Natalee to realize how dangerous it is.
Most of the front page posters have been here for years. Doing their own research in the hope that their faith, along with that of their friends, will be enough to bring justice. There are more than one person with personal knowledge of one or more of the crimes that were committed against Natalee; just as there are a vast number of deaths that many of us believe are connected. You don’t go around killing THAT many people and passing out fake death certificates, without alot of people being aware of it… especially, on a small island, like Aruba.
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Benh:
I don’t want to talk about pirates… but it’s a fact that the Arawak, as well as the Caribe, Indians have ruled the sea for centuries. Human trafficking, the illegal transfer of a person from one country to another, has been around for centuries. They have called themselves the gods of the sea, the kings of the sea and the rulers of the sea, nearly, just as long.
Shango calls them Babylonians… and we know that the worship of the male organ was, commonly, practiced. They would have children ‘fit for the fire’ who would be thrown, directly, into it… most of them girls. In Colombia, women are, literally, stripped of their children… usually, small babies. The Arawak Indian has no interest in changing their ways, becoming Christian or passing the torch to their younger generation. Aruba will, soon, become a battleground in the world of human trafficking.
I still think we need to go to Washington…
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Beat on them Drums!
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Absolutely, Freddie knows…
But, that doesn’t mean much. Freddie is Joran’s best friend. Deepak, practically, BEGGED Joran to tell the truth. But, knowing how many people have been killed before you, would be a good reason to keep your mouth shut… don’t you think?
Obviously, the Kalpoes did not have the means to silent all those people…. so, WE are, also, left begging. I don’t think that the Kalpoes did any of it… but in a moment of truth, in the back of that squad car, Deepak figured out who did when he says:
‘Your own FATHER! UnbeLIEVable…’
Paulus killed the two kids from the lighthouse. He killed Pitbutt, as well…
But he also killed the American who ran the shop that had done the work on Deepak’s car DURING the investigation. In that conversation, Satish is saying,
‘Yeah, Yeah, Yeah’…
like it was a lie that he knew that man…
but, why would Joran want him to say that he had taken his brother’s car to him after having a flat tire picking up Joran from the beach????
Because it was PAULUS that had picked-up Joran and there are telephone records to proove it… The Kalpoes were home while Joran and Paulus were at the beach, that night; and, there was a missing fisherman’s CAGE!
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… and Joran says he’d do anything for his father…
The SOCIOPATH!
Again…
I think the Kalpoes were to be the scape goats.
The death of the blonde was to provide a body for an eyewitness. One who would say they saw a girl being buried in the landfill. Joran told the police that Deepak had buried Natalee there and Deepak was furious… but, scared.
Obviously, he knew Pitbull. He was the one who made that stop. He also knew that the American at the garage had been murdered… so, in the end, just as they’re pulling up to the police station… he was left muttering.
So sure, was he, that if they just told the truth, it’d be over…
But, he didn’t know the WHOLE story…
and it’s STILL not over.
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j4n
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Good Goin Scared Monkeys. Your persistence to finding justice for Natalee Holloway has brought your work to the center of the Kalpoe saga.
Justice will prevail
patti
pauulus is one evil evil shrewed man… dark spirit…
patti
also think of this… pauulus knew they were coming to california for this deposition or whatever it is.. so maybe he reminded them .. to keep their mouths shut..
they fear me biggtime!!!
THEY FEAR HIM BIGGTIME
SORRY ABOUT THE TYPE-O
NIGHT PATTY.. BRIE.. ALWAYS 1 RICHARD.. KAYE.. AND ALL U GOOD FOLKS..
misskatie on July 16th, 2008 8:55 pm
patti
pauulus is one evil evil shrewed man… dark spirit…
…
He is evil. He is dark. …but he is a pussy.
A true coward. Joran is right, the man
is incredibly weak.
I used to know kids like Paulus growing up.
He was a weak, evil little bastard. Such a
misery, that he was kinda like a MISERY MAGNET,
so to speak. Other kids found him so hateful
and unbearable, they were just drawn to pound on him.
Put shaving cream in his pantaloons while
he was sleepin’. Hang his scrawny azz up on
a camp wedgie nail, and give him a very bad rash.
Dress him up in high-heels, put lipstick on him,
and make him do a li’l funny dance shaking a couple of maracas.
Put him in the middle of the camp cabin, make him squeeze tight a twirling baton ‘twixt his butt-cheeks, and threaten him with his life
if he dropped it.
He hated every minute of it! It was humiliating.
Most guys bulk up, turn the tables on the bullies, and lay ‘em out.
They get over it & grow up. Then they stand up for the little guy, because they know how it feels to take a brutal pounding.
Not Paul. He internalized everything. Van der sloot headed South, not North.
It made him more mean. He vowed to get back
at the world! Now, everything that is in his path is a target.
He sizes you up while he is chatting you up.
Paul will even throw in a smile, so you are
not suspicious of anything and you think he
is a really nice guy.
…but Paulus Van der sloot of Aruba is ANYTHING BUT A NICE GUY. Below that mild-mannered, bumbling exterior, Paul is a heat-seeking missile sniffing out your every weakness.
You know who told me that?
-Justice for Natalee Holloway
BOYCOTT ARUBA
Well, it looks like this thread is off the front page now. I don’t have a TV, so didn’t see that Primeline story on trafficking of teen-age girls in Toledo, Ohio, last night.
Perhaps ScaredMonkeys could post it, or something akin to it, so that we could move this discussion back on to the front page. Merely a suggestion, of course.
And again … is there any news as to when the Dr Phil/Kalpoe suit actually will be in court, or if it will be settled?
lilpuma
thanks for the info so they are represented by a firm in chicago .. wonder who referred them the firm?
richard?
no t.v by choice?
carpe ditto to that
Carpe:
Double ditto!
Paulus is the Sociopath.
And… true to form, he let Dave know, right up front, that he was going to support his son. Who could have foretold the extreme violence that would follow?
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Like M.D. says:
‘Paulus is your perp’!
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Let’s look, again, at the tape of the casino…
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Paulus!
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… and at the beach, with Joran and Steve Croes…
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Paulus!
… and, around the pool, discussing the statements made to the police…
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Paulus… (the wanna be Judge)
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… and, in the house, preventing a search…
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…Paulus.
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Natalee was there!
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She needs to be on the front page until we find her…
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(in my opinion)
Oh…
By the way, Paulus, in case you’re listening:
You can make your secret
threats, to a family,
in a cowardly way…
But, YOU don’t scare us!
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We will slay the Dragon,
cut off his head…
and dance on YOUR grave!
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There WILL be justice,
One way or the other!
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Be done!
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ditto carpe and patti……
i still believe that there are two main guilty characters….van stratten and PVDS. (there are many involved and guilty but i think these are the two main ones). find van stratten, put him and paulus together in solitary confinement for about , oh say, 60 to 90 days, limited food and water, no sunlight,no fresh air,no visitors, no nothing, just the two sweaty pigs that they are. you’ll have all the answers to all of our questions.
MY TWO JORAN VAN DER SLOOTS
Which one of these kids is doing his OWN THING?
http://tinyurl.com/6yoryn
yes paulus
you sweatty pig.. you will stand before god for your actions one day.. and hopefuly someday on this earth you will also be held accountable for your bad deeds.. you deserve no mercy… you are evil and have spread evil like a disease to your family..
you make your money by the misfortunes of others…
you have no heart no conciousess…you will reap what your evil son and yourself did to natalee and her family…
No news from Aruba?!?!???
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Richard:
Where was the island at?
Indonesia?
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That can’t have much news… nobody is going.
Arubans jacked a rent-a-car today
and left it up on bricks, less four
tires.
They gave away four more certificates,
that nobody either deserved or wanted.
They took 87 pictures of the certificate event!
You will find them all over the front
pages of 24 ORA, BON DIA, AMIGOE, AWE MAINTA,
and SOLO DI PUEBLO.
NOBODY CARES. NOBODY IS GOING. BOYCOTT ARUBA.
The idiots that live there, cannot leave…
because airfare rates are about ten times
what they used to be.
This has been Elmo reporting live on the scene.
ARUBA, ONE STUPID ISLAND.
http://tinyurl.com/6oue53
http://tinyurl.com/62ccnr
-Justice 4 Natalee Holloway
I wonder what it’s like to be Pitbull’s mom?
To have your son found decapitated with arms and legs cut off, a hundred knife wounds to the torso and burned to a gentle crisp…
If that doesn’t send a message, nothing will.
The Arawak Nation, and all its’ sins that need to be atoned with the blood of the ‘lambs’, will be no more. That is the message we send to you, Aruba.
The WHOLE world will know that I am Jehovah,
then, the end will come.
As long as we have a voice, as long as we have those who yearn for liberty; forever, we shall sound the alarm. Beware, innocent ones, wise but inexperienced; for the dragon is real and he will hunt you down and devour you. For it is your innocence, pure and angelic, that they seek to destroy.
Protect us; let our eyes shine as you guide our steps in combat against those that would scheme against us. Show us the way to attain your grace, as we walk accross the path of our enemies. As it is only through your love and grace that we have come to exist, at all… and it is because of your kindness that we shall see the light that leads us home.
We pray for the missing and for the dead, that they might teach us the treacherous ways of this world… the snares they set for us by day and by night. It is You that knows every part of us and can read our hearts to judge us worthy… for You are the power and the glory, forever and ever…
Amen.
amen patti
I say that sincerely
Thanks, Miss Katie.
Do you know if the family have come here to show their support? They are the ones that are, ultimately, in charge. Perhaps, they don’t really want to know what happened to their daughter. Maybe they have given up on finding her alive. Miss Bradley is still alive. What would cause the Holloways to lose faith?
We live in a perverse world. One that would steal your very soul, if only they could, and leave your lifeless body along the road somewhere. The world is full of degenerates that think nothing of selling a young woman into bondage, slavery and prostitution. But, does that mean the end of our search? Not hardly… where there is life, there is hope.
I, truly, don’t understand the Holloways. If I were given a gift from God… a hero to help in finding Natalee, I would use it. There are miracles everyday. Perhaps, not as great as the one we witnessed, here. But if Natalee were my daughter, I’d be making some contacts. I’d be asking myself why God sent us there. One that would offer a million dollars to find their daughter would ignore the free information provided by our ‘all-knowing’ God? Go figure…
The Bible says that there are those that live in darkness. They are blinded to the truth so they live out their lives, like a child being tossed back and forth in the waves of deception. Each and every one of us makes a choice. We can either be like a blind man, with no perception of what is real, what it’s like to see the shape of the things around us… or we can pray for His guidance, His help, to take the blinders off and let us see things for the way they really are. That is why we pray for wisdom, discernment and enlightenment.
Do you think that I could have arranged the miracle? Do you think that I would have done this to fool someone? Not hardly. I can, bearly, keep track of the things that happen in my own community; much less, people lost at sea that are plunged into a whirlpool, only to find themselves face-to-face with the dragon. How could I have arranged for their rescue, when I didn’t even know they were missing?
There is a reason for everything under the sun, but, ultimately, it’s up to us to take hold, exercise our faith and act upon our hope. I pray that the Holloways will find their daughter; and, especially, I pray for those whoes loved ones are missing, who NEVER give up. They are heroes in their own right… God bless the Bradley family and all those like them.
Even if Natalee is not dead, as it stands right now, she is dead to the world.
I come bearing gifts and this is for Joran, the one that proclaims he is king of the oceans:
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Job 38:1-41
And Jehovah proceeded to answer Job out of the windstorm and say:
“Who is this that is obscuring counsel
By words without knowledge?
Gird up your loins, please, like an able-bodied man,
And let me question you, and you inform me.
Where did you happen to be when I founded the earth?
Tell [me], if you do know understanding.
Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched out upon it the measuring line?
Into what have its socket pedestals been sunk down,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
And [who] barricaded the sea with doors,
Which began to go forth as when it burst out from the womb;
When I put the cloud as its garment
And thick gloom as its swaddling band,
And I proceeded to break up my regulation upon it
And to set a bar and doors,
And I went on to say, ‘This far you may come, and no farther;
And here your proud waves are limited’?
Was it from your days onward that you commanded the morning?
Did you cause the dawn to know its place,
To take hold on the extremities of the earth,
That the wicked ones might be shaken out from it?
It transforms itself like clay under a seal,
And things take their station as in clothing.
And from the wicked ones their light is held back,
And the high arm itself gets broken.
Have you come to the sources of the sea,
Or in search of the watery deep have you walked about?
Have the gates of death been uncovered to you,
Or the gates of deep shadow can you see?
Have you intelligently considered the broad spaces of the earth?
Tell, if you have come to know it all.
Where, now, is the way to where light resides?
As for darkness, where, now, is its place,
That you should take it to its boundary
And that you should understand the roadways to its house?
Have you come to know because at that time you were being born,
And [because] in number your days are many?
Have you entered into the storehouses of the snow,
Or do you see even the storehouses of the hail,
Which I have kept back for the time of distress,
For the day of fight and war?
Where, now, is the way by which the light distributes itself,
[And] the east wind scatters about upon the earth?
Who has divided a channel for the flood
And a way for the thunderous storm cloud,
To make it rain upon the land where there is no man,
[Upon] the wilderness in which there is no earthling man,
To satisfy storm-stricken and desolate places
And to cause the growth of grass to sprout?
Does there exist a father for the rain,
Or who gave birth to the dewdrops?
Out of whose belly does the ice actually come forth,
And as for the hoarfrost of heaven, who indeed brings it to birth?
The very waters keep themselves hidden as by stone,
And the surface of the watery deep makes itself compact.
Can you tie fast the bonds of the Ki´mah constellation,
Or can you loosen the very cords of the Ke´sil constellation?
Can you bring forth the Maz´za·roth constellation in its appointed time?
And as for the Ash constellation alongside its sons, can you conduct them?
Have you come to know the statutes of the heavens,
Or could you put its authority in the earth?
Can you raise your voice even to the cloud,
So that a heaving mass of water itself may cover you?
Can you send forth lightnings that they may go
And say to you, ‘Here we are!’?
Who put wisdom in the cloud layers,
Or who gave understanding to the sky phenomenon?
Who can exactly number the clouds in wisdom,
Or the water jars of heaven—who can tip [them] over,
When the dust pours out as into a molten mass,
And the clods of earth themselves get stuck together?
Can you hunt prey for a lion itself
And can you satisfy the lively appetite of young lions,
When they crouch in the hiding places,
[Or] keep lying in the covert for an ambush?
Who prepares for the raven its food
When its own young ones cry to God for help,
[When] they keep wandering about because there is nothing to eat?
Job 39:1-30
“Have you come to know the appointed time for the mountain goats of the crag to give birth?
Do you observe just when the hinds bring forth with birth pangs?
Do you count the lunar months that they fulfill,
Or have you come to know the appointed time that they give birth?
They bow down when they cast forth their young ones,
[When] they get rid of their pangs.
Their sons become robust, they get big in the open field;
They actually go forth and do not return to them.
Who sent forth the zebra free,
And who loosened the very bands of the wild ass,
Whose house I have appointed the desert plain
And whose dwelling places the salt country?
It laughs at the turmoil of a town;
The noises of a stalker it does not hear.
It explores mountains for its pasturage
And after every sort of green plant it seeks.
Does a wild bull want to serve you,
Or will it spend the night by your manger?
Will you bind a wild bull fast with its ropes in the furrow,
Or will it harrow low plains after you?
Will you trust in it because its power is abundant,
And will you leave your toil to it?
Will you rely on it that it will bring back your seed
And that it will gather to your threshing floor?
Has the wing of the female ostrich flapped joyously,
Or [has she] the pinions of a stork and the plumage?
For she leaves her eggs to the earth itself
And in the dust she keeps them warm,
And she forgets that some foot may crush them
Or even a wild beast of the field may tread on them.
She does treat her sons roughly, as if not hers—
In vain is her toil [because she has] no dread.
For God has made her forget wisdom,
And he has not given her a share in understanding.
At the time she flaps [her wings] on high,
She laughs at the horse and at its rider.
Can you give to the horse mightiness?
Can you clothe its neck with a rustling mane?
Can you cause it to leap like a locust?
The dignity of its snorting is frightful.
It paws in the low plain and exults in power;
It goes forth to meet armor.
It laughs at dread, and is not terrified;
Nor does it turn back on account of a sword.
Against it a quiver rattles,
The blade of a spear and a javelin.
With pounding and excitement it swallows up the earth,
And it does not believe that it is the sound of a horn.
As soon as the horn blows it says Aha!
And from far off it smells the battle,
The uproar of chiefs and the war cry.
Is it owing to your understanding that the falcon soars up,
That it spreads its wings to the south wind?
Or is it at your order that an eagle flies upward
And that it builds its nest high up,
That on a crag it resides and stays during the night
Upon the tooth of a crag and an inaccessible place?
From there it has to search for food;
Far into the distance its eyes keep looking.
And its young ones themselves keep sipping up blood;
And where the slain are, there it is.”
Job 40:1-24
And Jehovah proceeded to answer Job and say:
“Should there be any contending of a faultfinder with the Almighty?
Let the reprover of God himself answer it.”
And Job went on to answer Jehovah and say:
“Look! I have become of little account.
What shall I reply to you?
My hand I have put over my mouth.
Once have I spoken, and I will not answer;
And twice, and I will add nothing.”
And Jehovah went on to answer Job out of the windstorm and say:
“Gird up your loins, please, like an able-bodied man;
I shall question you, and you inform me.
Really, will you invalidate my justice?
Will you pronounce me wicked in order that you may be in the right?
Or do you have an arm like that of the [true] God,
And with a voice like his, can you make it thunder?
Deck yourself, please, with superiority and highness;
And with dignity and splendor may you clothe yourself.
Let flow the furious outbursts of your anger,
And see every one haughty and bring him low.
See every one haughty, humble him,
And tread down the wicked right where they are.
Hide them together in the dust,
Bind their very faces in the hidden place,
And I, even I, shall commend you,
Because your right hand can save you.
Here, now, is Be·he´moth that I have made as well as you.
Green grass it eats just as a bull does.
Here, now, its power is in its hips,
And its dynamic energy in the tendons of its belly.
It bends down its tail like a cedar;
The sinews of its thighs are interwoven.
Its bones are tubes of copper;
Its strong bones are like wrought-iron rods.
It is the beginning of the ways of God;
Its Maker can bring near his sword.
For the mountains themselves bear their produce for it,
And all the wild beasts of the field themselves play there.
Under the thorny lotus trees it lies down,
In the concealed place of reeds and the swampy place.
The thorny lotus trees keep it blocked off with their shadow;
The poplars of the torrent valley surround it.
If the river acts violently, it does not run in panic.
It is confident, although the Jordan should burst forth against its mouth.
Before its eyes can anyone take it?
With snares can anyone bore [its] nose?
Job 41:1-34
“Can you draw out Le·vi´a·than (dragon) with a fishhook,
Or with a rope can you hold down its tongue?
Can you put a rush in its nostrils,
Or with a thorn can you bore its jaws?
Will it make many entreaties to you,
Or will it say soft words to you?
Will it conclude a covenant with you,
That you may take it as a slave to time indefinite?
Will you play with it as with a bird,
Or will you tie it for your young girls?
Will partners barter for it?
Will they divide it up among tradesmen?
Will you fill its skin with harpoons,
Or its head with fish spears?
Put your hand upon it.
Remember the battle. Do not do it again.
Look! One’s expectation about it will certainly be disappointed.
One will also be hurled down at the mere sight of it.
None is so audacious that he should stir it up.
And who is it that can hold his ground before me?
Who has given me something first, that I ought to reward him?
Under the whole heavens it is mine.
I shall not keep silent about its parts
Or the matter of [its] mightiness and the grace of its proportions.
Who has uncovered the face of its clothing?
Into its double jaw who will enter?
The doors of its face who has opened?
Its teeth round about are frightful.
Furrows of scales are its haughtiness,
Closed as with a tight seal.
One to the other they fit closely,
And not even air can come in between them.
Each one to the other they are stuck together;
They grasp one another and cannot be separated.
Its very sneezings flash forth light,
And its eyes are like the beams of dawn.
Out of its mouth there go lightning flashes,
Even sparks of fire make their escape.
Out of its nostrils smoke goes forth,
Like a furnace set aflame even with rushes.
Its soul itself sets coals ablaze,
And even a flame goes forth out of its mouth.
In its neck lodges strength,
And before it despair leaps.
The folds of its flesh do cling together;
They are as a casting upon it, immovable.
Its heart is cast like stone,
Yes, cast like a lower millstone.
Due to its rising up the strong get frightened;
Due to consternation they get bewildered.
Overtaking it, the sword itself does not prove equal,
Nor spear, dart or arrowhead.
It regards iron as mere straw,
Copper as mere rotten wood.
An arrow does not chase it away;
The slingstones have been changed for it into mere stubble.
A club has been regarded [by it] as mere stubble,
And it laughs at the rattling of a javelin.
As pointed earthenware fragments are its underparts;
It spreads out a threshing instrument upon the mire.
It causes the depths to boil just like a pot;
It makes the very sea like an ointment pot.
Behind itself it makes a pathway shine;
One would regard the watery deep as gray-headedness.
Upon the dust there is not the like of it,
The one made to be without terror.
Everything high it sees.
It is king over all majestic wild beasts.”
patti
if you mean natalees family here for support the answer I dunno … I do know steve holloway is here often…
and if you mean amys family .. I think Richard may hold that answer for you.. he has been in contact with her family..
its sad and tragic that she is out there apparently alive and no one can reach her because she has been moved to and fro probably.. I think amy is alive… to her parents I say keep the faith god is great… lean on him…
patti Its sad what happends to young girls… at the hands of these vultures.. who traffic and exploit them to horrible conditions… god bless you and everyone who spend time praying for their lost ones…. they are all gods children….
Wow,
A few of my comments made it into the documents for the case?
Does this make me a celebrity?
I went back to the post they used and my comments outlined many of the brazen conflicts involved in this case.
As I said all along….this case would never go to trial as Paulus Van Der Sloot is your perp and half of Aruba covered for him. Everyone would go down in Aruba.
As I have also stated, this does not mean that the Kalpoes or JVDS are off the hook. They were all accessories to PVDS.
The Dutch TV Show with Joran was a scam. It was a way to finally try to put this to bed. Joran takes some blame….Aruba says he is a liar anyways and they can’t prosecute.
It was all a headfake. Paulus is your man.
md
minnesota mom
how do you know they used your comments where did you find that out where they posted here or the forum?
Patti says:
What would cause the Holloways to lose faith?
…
…and what would cause you to make that statement
Patti? Because you thought it up one night while poking a lion, swinging a chicken’s claw around your head, dissing on the Arawaks, and lighting your big old fires?
That makes it true?
Holieeeee jeepers you are one
boring azz, nutty ol’ looney bird!
Carpe:
Gee… does voodism, which is notorious for their chicken claws around their heads, and shrunken skulls hanging from their doorways, use the Bible as a reference to express their point of view? Your ‘nutty looney bird’ response is proof that you, clearly, have no idea what you’re talking about. Please, don’t be so assuming as to suggest that you know me… because you don’t!
What have you done to receive a response from the man that you have been dissing for years? What have you done to find a hero to help in the search for Natalee? If anything, your dissing has been responsible for a total lack of interest in the case of Natalee Holloway. You have come under fire from numerous bloggers, WAAAAY too many to mention… and I consider myself fortunate to be among them.
Laugh it up, Carpe! You’re ‘wowwie cazzowee’ remarks do little to help. And quite frankly, I find them to be both boring and juvenile. Obviously, the people that come here are not 14-year old children that are uncapable of having an intellectual conversation, interested in seeing a dog and pony show made up of some-what clever sayings that do little to help. You’re not part of a team, but rather, an egomaniac that is ‘personally slanted’ by anyone else that might have an opinion.
What have YOU done to poke at the lion, and what has he done in response… nothing. Obviously, a person’s success is evident in their results… the proof is in the pudding. Have any of your comments resulted in the finding of evidence? Not. Have you kept the pressure on those in Aruba that would chose to miss out on the biggest travel show in the U.S. in order to avoid the publicity that may have resulted in having someone that ‘actually’ knows what they’re talking about present; as opposed to the same old ‘hard ass’ making the same old threats, putting the same old pictures to music and cracking the same old jokes?
I don’t try to be entertaining… there’s nothing funny about the situation in Aruba, just as it’s not funny that there are tens of thousands of women either missing or buried in unmarked graves in Hondurus, Columbia, Venezuella as well as all over Central and South America. What have you done to tell their stories? To draw a coorelation between their situations and Natalees? What have you done to, possibly, form a commission that addresses these problems in Washington… nothing. In fact, I doubt that you have any knowlege of such a commission…
Strapping on leather boots, on a blog, to kick your enemies; is hardly, successful. Your little imaginary bombs do little to help and making people laugh in a dire situation is, not only unsuccessful in making change, but detremental to the serious situation that exists in that part of the world.
What research have you done to empower people who fall victim to the same situation that Natalee is in… crimes against women that go, largely, uninvestigated; swept under the rug and soon buried in a heap of paperwork that goes, largely ignored and uninvestigated; just as their unmarked graves go unvisited, unadorned and, soon, forgotten? Are you, even, aware that the lack of justice, when it comes to crimes committed against women, is at an all-time high and is not something that is only a problem in Aruba?
There is nothing that will become of criticizing one another as is evident by your TOTAL lack of success… but, what about reaching out to the many people in that region of the world that have been fighting this problem for decades? Are we to act like we know it all… or learn from those that have experience in dealing with this problem?
Please, Carpe… think beyond yourself and stop being just like the ones that take pleasure in belittling women and making their opinions; and ultimately, their lives, unimportant.
Talk the talk… walk the walk!
One has to ask themselves, are drawing cartoons the answer?
This article is on the third page. What does THAT tell you?
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This article is on the third page. What does THAT tell you?
…
It tells me ol’ Red or Klaas is fittin’
to drop another big-un that Aruba will
be dig-un, very shortly!!!! Luv yaaaaaaa!
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
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BOYCOTT ARUBA
July 19th – 20th, 2008
Weekend full of Extreme violence on Aruba
In the night from Saturday to Sunday were two groups of young people quarrel after the full moon party at Havana Beach Club. police saw that the young beer bottles to each other were throwing. It became one of the young people wounded in the face. The victim was taken to hospital for treatment. After the fighting agents had met young people from each other, they got the message that there would be a shooting in Dakota. At the height of the intersection of the Druivenstraat and Tomatenstraat agents were indeed traces of a shooting. The police found a shell on the ground and kogelgaten in a parked car and the door of a house. It is suspected that the shooting Dakota in connection with the brawl earlier in Havana.
> There are two arrests made.
…
People PUH-LEEZE!!!
-j4n
Say all you want about Joran, or the Kalope brothers, but anyone who has the nerve to say a negative thing about Aruba is only an ignorant piece of shit.
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