Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

 

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, “No Soup for You.”

Win one for the good guys as Jamie Skeeters wins motion against Kalpoe’s from Heaven.Skeeters

The Kalpoe’s lose a motion against the Estate of Jamie Skeeters. A motion to strike has been granted by the courts in the matter of the Estate of Jamie Skeeters v. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in the defamation lawsuit.

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)

The Kalpoe’s are about to be schooled in the fine art of American judicial law. They should have stayed in Aruba, where they had a protective judicial system and an even more protective and suspect police investigative body when it came to find missing teenagers like Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. Is it any wonder why Joran Van der Sloot sought so hard not to be tried in the United States when he was served after coming to the US to do media.

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How the Kalpoe’s or any American attorney can think they can prove defamation in a case that was so public and broadcast over the entire world in astounding. The criminal investigation into the Kalpoe’s and Joran Van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was worldwide news and the most downloaded topic of 2005.

As Scared Monkeys has held the position with the Kalpoe’s, that if one is to sue for defamation of character, does not one first have to have character? Watch the You Tube video for just some of the lies that Deepak & Satish Kalpoe have made.

The full court transcript can be read here, kalpoedrphil050609awm.

All this amounts to is an effort to make money off a possible settlement as if this matter does go to trial in May 2010, the Kalpoe’s will lose. The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the subsequent new coverage was in the “publics interest” right to know.

The Kalpoe’s should get used to losing as all Monkey’s know, they will lose in 2010

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Scared Monkeys makes list of exhibits for the defense.

Scared Monkeys has attained a copy of the filing and to our surprise a Scared Monkeys post was used as an exhibit for the defense. The post by Scared Monkeys actually makes up pages 55 – 123. The post and what is Exhibit A-51 was written on February 16, 2008 entitled, “Scared Monkey’s Welcomes Bill O’Reilly & Geraldo Rivera to the Fold as they Finally Embrace the Aruba Boycott and Date Rape in Natalee Holloway Disappearance”. The full article can be read HERE. Not only was the post used, but comments as well.

What is even more ludicrous regarding the defamation lawsuit is the fact that both Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had been jailed on more than one occasion and considered prime suspects in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance. They were among the last people ever to be seen with the missing Alabama teen and had initially lied to police as to dropping her off at the Holiday Inn. How could the Plaintiffs claim “clean hands” when they pretty much caused the focus to be on them in the first place by lying to police?

Ultimately when it came to the lawsuit against our dear departed friend Jamie Skeeters brought by the Kalpoe’s, he really had no part in anything they are claiming. Jamie merely video-taped and interview of which Deepak Kalpoe was a willing participant. As the court docs stated, “There was no evidence that Defendant Skeeters participated in the manipulation of his recorded interview.”



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  • Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?
  • Natalee Holloway Investigation: Diario, Deepak Tapes
  • Jamie Skeeters Passed Away Today … Rest in Peace Jamie




  • Comments

    77 Responses to “Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case”

    1. katablog.com on May 9th, 2009 9:35 pm

      how long will this farce drag on? Perhaps Kalpoes and their lawyers thought Dr. Phil and Jamie Skeeters would be an easy touch for a settlement to just make it go away.

      I can’t imagine how the Kalpoes are paying their attorneys through all this.

    2. allan on May 9th, 2009 10:00 pm

      I agree, they have no class and probably are accomplishes to murder and rape. Plus, I know they stalked American and other young teen girls. What the hell do they want, character left them a long time ago.

    3. Greg the Mongoose on May 9th, 2009 10:20 pm

      How much has this case cost the Kalpoe’s for lawyers and filing fees 10,000 -130,000 ?
      These liars will go broke trying to milk the USA for their own bad actions.

    4. vhj on May 9th, 2009 10:49 pm

      I believe the kalpoes have bien selling female family members of their family,like the way deepak kalpoe and his brother satish participated in the selling of natalee.you heard me cowpie,why don’t you sue me?I will produce evidence against you in any court.I have a witness who saw you take 1000 dollars for your part ,which by the way could not have happened without your help.

    5. Scared Monkeys on May 9th, 2009 11:05 pm

      Eventually the judge will rule the obvious and say what we have all known from the outset.

      There was no doctoring of tapes, it was simple editing that takes place in every video. There was no malice, it was simple procedure.

      TACO Joe was grandstanding with all his BS and the Kalpoe’s thought they could make a settlement buck.

      R

    6. ANewGirl on May 9th, 2009 11:06 pm

      Deepak Kalpoe= LOSER RAPIST, LOVES TO ABUSE FEMALES PAST TO PRESENT. BITTER SADIST WHO BELIEVES ALL WOMEN WERE PUT ON THIS EARTH TO PLEASE HIM

      Satish Kalpoe= FOLLOWED QUIELTY BEHIND THE FOOTSTEPS OF OLDER BROTHER, COULD NEVER THINK FOR HIMSELF..JUST TRIES TO LIVE UP TO HIS BROTHERS FAKE REPUTATION OF BEING A “PLAYER”,….NOT CERTAIN IF HE WANTED TO RAPE NATALEE BEFORE SHE WAS KILLED…WHETHER HE ACTUALLY RAPED HER OR NOT…AIDED & ABETTED IN COVER UP FOR A CRIME BY THE EVIL SPORTER & HIS OLDER BROTHER AND WENT ALONG WITH HIDING ALL THE SECRETS OF PAPA VDS’S INVOLVEMENT AS WELL…HAD A FEELING OF GUILT IMMEDIATELY AFTER CRIME WAS COMMITTED ..AND THUS, EARLY ON IN THE INVESTIGATION..BLABBED IN PRISON TO ONE OF THE FALSELY INCARCERATED SECURITY GAURD SCAPEGOATS (OUT OF THIS AFORMENTIONED GUILT)
      = JUST AS MUCH OF A LOSER PIECE OF SHIT AS HIS RAPIST OLDER BROTHER

      **************************************************

      Great News, Go Jamie! Too bad both of the Kalpoe Scumbags attempts at bogus litigation to further profit off of the death of Natalee have once again backfired. This is good news. Since all good Monkeys know that God isn’t finished with Joran yet…we’ll continue to be patient awaiting the news of Urine’s slow but certain demise.

      We Stand by the Girl.

      -J4N
      -J4C

    7. Carpe on May 9th, 2009 11:55 pm

      Joran was only ever right about one thing in this entire mess.

      When he said the Kalpoes were friggin’ morons and he just used them. Losers, suckers, dolts, leftover DNA McNuggets, gene pool road kill.

      Rack ‘em up again, Sam. I love watchin’ them
      get T-BONED over and over again like a video
      of World’s Most Dangerous Car Chases!

      … and each time they iz fittin’ to get their
      bells rung up, I ALWAYS take a brief pause for
      the cause and think to myself…

      This one is for sweet Natalee!

      P.S. Stay the hell out of Aruba.

    8. HOPE on May 10th, 2009 1:03 am

      Too bad…

    9. Susan on May 10th, 2009 7:07 am

      This is great news! Next will come the motion to dismiss the fraudulent lawsuit against Dr. Phil and Jamie Skeeters :-) The K(alpo)es never stood a chance to gain financially, period.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    10. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 7:17 am

      Maybe the celebrations are a bit premature. You inadvertently left the following portion of the Judge’s Order out when you posted the article:

      “To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable…”

      By dismissing the Skeeters Estate, the Judge effectively eliminated one of the best defenses available to the remaining Defendants.

    11. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 7:20 am

      #5, Joe Tacopina (whom you refer to as “TACO Joe”) has not been involved in this litigation at any time or at any level. Why did you bring his name into it?

    12. katablog.com on May 10th, 2009 9:32 am

      #9 dotratc: Don’t think we have to worry about that. As I recall Skeeters was on the show and agreed with Dr. Phil that this is what Deepak said in his interview. I’m not a big Dr. Phil fan since I think he’s way too liberal, but I have as hard of a time believing Dr. Phil would ruin his reputation over libelous editing as I do believing that Skeeters would have.

      It simply doesn’t make sense. Dr. Phil didn’t need ratings, didn’t need to make Kalpoes look like the scum they are. There simply wasn’t anything in it for Dr. Phil to have altered the tape or done shoddy editing to the point that Kalpoes were defamed. Again, how do you hurt someone who has crap for a reputation to being with?

    13. Carpe on May 10th, 2009 9:42 am

      Yo Rat,

      Happy Mother’s Day 2009!

      You are still an Aruban loser.

      Go ahead and tweak one of those man boobies you got and celebrate! Don’t say I never gave you
      nothing.

    14. Kat_Gram on May 10th, 2009 9:53 am

      Well, I don’t have time today to get into the fine legal details, but this is great news.
      Does this make it look good for the Dr. Phil one ? I am guessing yes.
      Did Satish ever pass Grade 12 ?
      Did Deepak ever have a date ?
      Hello Carpe, we love you. TY for putting those things on You Tube for us who do not get those channels in Canada.

    15. Scared Monkeys on May 10th, 2009 11:21 am

      #11 … Really, you must be a part of Mensa.

      No kidding. Taco Joe is brought into the conversation because he was one of the biggest grandstanders regarding the tape and the “doctoring” of it.

      Of course he does not represent the Kalpoe’s, he represents the other obvious suspect in the crime against Natalee Holloway. You know Joran Van der Sloot, the one who actually confessed to the crime.

      Here is a news flash to all who fell for and apologize for those who committed crimes against NH, all tape is edited unless one is filming live from an event, DUH!!!

      Do you know think that SM does not edit Dana’s show? Do you think it sounds exactly the same live as it does in podcast? Heck, if we wanted to we could rearrange the order of the interviews.

      That is hardly doctoring, it is called editing.

      The Kalpoe’s were looking to get rich. Hopefully the judge in the end will make them pay legal and court costs.

      JVDS was just looking to get away with murder, that is why he has never pressed his luck with such a lawsuit. Also, why he never wants to be in a court in the USA.

      R

    16. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 11:34 am

      #15 (and everyone else that doesn’t seem to believe that the tapes played on the Dr. Phil Show were materially altered), The full version of the pertinent part of the interview went as follows:

      “Skeeters: I’m sure she had sex with all of you.
      Kalpoe: No she didn’t.”

      When that same portion was played back on the Dr. Phil Show, it went as follows:

      “Skeeters: I’m sure she had sex with all of you.
      Kalpoe: …she did…”

      Are you trying to get me to believe that editing the word “no” off the front of the sentence and the “n’t” off the back of the sentence was simply done to make the excerpt fit into the time frame?

      Oh, and by the way, I am a member of Mensa. I don’t recall Joe Tacopina ever saying anything at all about the Skeeters tapes, although he certainly could have. Bottom line, the Dr. Phil Show is still a viable defendant in this case; the Judge denied the Show’s Motion to Dismiss.

    17. Susan on May 10th, 2009 12:39 pm

      # 8 Hope – too bad?!?!? Are you disappointed in the judge’s decision?

    18. Scared Monkeys on May 10th, 2009 12:49 pm

      Actually if ya were a member of Mensa you would know that a motion to strike or dismiss when granted means that there is no way humanly possible according to case law and the interpretation of the law that one could have responsibility in the matter.

      It does not even get to go to court.

      Just because the Dr Phil shoes motion to dismiss was denied means nothing. Most are denied so that a lawsuit can got to a jury.

      I am personally glad it was denied and that Dr Phil is not settling. I want Deepak & Satish put on the witness stand. I want them to have to answer discovery and interrogatories.

      I want them deposed. Personally, I would like to depose them myself.

      These 2 fools thought this was a get rich quick scheme and their bluff was called.

      Hey Deepak, stay away from those high stakes games of Texas Holdem.

      R

    19. Mary UK on May 10th, 2009 1:34 pm

      What i dont understand is, once the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot engaged in the US Justice system, HOW did that not allow the US full involvement in the case legally as it WAS a US citizen that was the VICTIM!!!

    20. vhj on May 10th, 2009 3:04 pm

      hey mensa man,have you ever sat in on a discovery,HA-HA-HA,no amount of coaching is going to be enough to pull that off.Hey deepak what’s are interrogaties.?you and your brother will both need diapers.not so easy in good ole U.S.A.now you will see what real intteragation is and what the meaning of discovery is,oh yes questions go far beyond a two sec blip on a tape.THAT’S called a set-up.

    21. vhj on May 10th, 2009 3:14 pm

      in the end deepak,you will win your case and be paid a nominal amount,but also charged with evidence that comes out of your mouth and your brothers mouth,along with jorans mouth ,that’s already recorded and yes who do think already has his lie detector results but now and are waiting for your and your brothers case results and I’m talking only about line questions and answers.which by the way will become offical court documents.your case comes up in 2010.thats a lot of sleepless nites is’nt it?

    22. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 3:22 pm

      #18, you offer a novel interpretation of the meaning of an order granting a motion to dismiss. Let me help you out. It only applies to the Skeeters Estate so your comment that “there is no way humanly possible according to case law and the interpretation of the law that one could have responsibility in the matter” is a bit overbroad.

      As a reminder, here is the pertinent part of the Order as it applies to the remaining Defendants:

      “To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable…”

      It is very obvious that the Judge determined that there is a way that it is humanly possible that the remaining Defendants could have responsiblity.
      ___________
      SM: I am only referring to Jamie Skeeters as that was what the motion to strike referred to.

    23. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 4:12 pm

      #20, if your question was directed at me, the answer is, yes, I have “sat in on a discovery.”

    24. Scared Monkeys on May 10th, 2009 4:22 pm

      #22. I will stand on my motion that I want the trial to go forward.

      I want the publicity back on this case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

      I want Deepak & Satish to have to be deposed. Do you not think that John Q. Kelly is not probably behind the scenes adding some questions to the list?

      I want Deepak & Satish to be forced into a box and incriminate themselves. Once a liar always a liar.

      Perjury is an offense in the US judicial system, do not forget that.

      R

    25. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 5:04 pm

      #24, fair enough. If they filed the lawsuit, they ought to be willing to take the stand and testify.

      But, no, I do not think JQK is playing any major role in the defense. Has he even applied to be admitted pro hac vice and/or filed a Notice of Appearance? I am quite sure that the Dr. Phil Show and CBS/Paramount have their own top-shelf lawyers that are well versed on first amendment issues.
      ___________
      SM: Lawyers hang together and what they do on their own time is their own time. JQK helped this team in dealing with the ins and outs of Aruba. No one knows everything. One would be derelict in their duty if they did not familiarize them self with one who has been dealing with this case.

      You mean you do not think that he has asked if a couple of questions might be asked? Its called professional courtesy, he does not have to be part of the case.

      R

    26. dotratc on May 10th, 2009 6:19 pm

      “R”

      I do not believe that the Bar Association is such a tight little fraternity that all “lawyers hang together.” There are over 216,000 members of the California Bar and John Q. Kelly is not one of them. I doubt that the attorneys on retainer for CBS and/or Paramount have ever even met John Q. Kelly and, unless a local lawyer has sponsored him in an application for admission pro hac vice, I doubt that the attorneys for CBS and/or Paramount would give him the time of the day if he suggested some questions for them to ask in a deposition.
      ___________
      SM: I would not be so sure of that ;)

      Then again how would I know. 8)

    27. katablog.com on May 10th, 2009 7:08 pm

      dotratc said: >>>>“Skeeters: I’m sure she had sex with all of you.
      Kalpoe: No she didn’t.”

      When that same portion was played back on the Dr. Phil Show, it went as follows:

      “Skeeters: I’m sure she had sex with all of you.
      Kalpoe: …she did…”>>>>>>>>>>

      YOU are saying that the second part is what the tape says “she didn’t”.

      Doesn’t the judge clear that up for you when 1. Skeeters claimed that “she did” is what Kalpoe said 2. The judge threw out the suit against him saying there was no evidence that the Skeeters recording was altered?

      It appears the question left is was the editing for TV (that doesn’t mean editing the words on the tape) defame the Kalpoes? If the words were not edited by Dr. Phil (and I believe it’s clear that they were not based on what Skeeters has said) then I don’t think there’s going to be a problem for Dr. Phil.

    28. Mike on May 10th, 2009 9:21 pm

      Hey DoDo,

      Your high IQ has left you with a lack of common sense. Do you really think that the Kalpoes would
      actually show up for a trial??? All they were hoping for was an out of court settlement.

    29. Carpe on May 10th, 2009 11:13 pm

      See here’s the thing -

      I will never forget dotratc because…

      He is the lame-o B’Ham tax lawyer flop
      that showed up at one of Beth’s book
      signings with an Aruba shirt on to
      rub salt in her wounds about her
      baby girl being murdered on stink
      ball island. He thought it was funny,
      and he was real proud of himself.

      I am a subscriber to the theory that
      MEAN PEOPLE SUCK.

      Charles Ratballs, someday, someone
      gonna uh make a special won ton soup
      for you, buddy!

      Just uh sayin’…

    30. Carpe on May 10th, 2009 11:21 pm

      Mary UK on May 10th, 2009 1:34 pm

      What i dont understand is, once the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot engaged in the US Justice system, HOW did that not allow the US full involvement in the case legally as it WAS a US citizen that was the VICTIM!!!

      It drives me crazy too, Mary.

      I guess if Dirtpock and Succatash Kalpoe
      were waving around AK’s and trying to board
      a cruise ship… then we could have brought
      them back to torment for life.

      However, Hans Mos just said they have a better
      chance of being shot in Aruba due to the current
      gun control fiasco.

      Maybe it is a blessing that those two rapist air biscuits are stuck right where they are!

    31. SUPER DAVE on May 11th, 2009 7:39 am

      hope is in time out today. she must have soiled her diaper at daycare and thought it was a mudpie.

    32. buckeye on May 11th, 2009 8:42 am

      dotratc

      September 14, 2007:

      …VAN SUSTEREN: But you’d like to stay in there but even though you got bounced out, it is s till a huge victory for you because I suspect, I don’t know, that you are working with the lawyers of Dr. Phil’s because that would enable you to get more information about the investigation, right? Or won’t you answer?

      KELLY: I’ll answer, of course. I’ve had a number of conversations with the attorneys of Dr. Phil and I like to keep them posted and they like to keep me posted. And that’s an open line there, for sure.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So getting really bounced out was not really a loss at all and your foot is still in the door, so to speak.

      KELLY: It was a hail Mary and we also would like to know we want the Kalpoe brothers to know we’re watching their every move and if there is ever even a crack in the door we’re going to seize the opportunity and go after them.

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

    33. Miss-Underestimated on May 11th, 2009 9:14 am

      I can’t imagine how the Kalpoes are paying their attorneys through all this.

      Kat I was wondering the same??? There has to be a correspondence line from Aurba to US. Expensive to say the least.

    34. HOPE on May 11th, 2009 5:53 pm

      Susan:

      I would have enjoyed them being questioned in a court of law… that’s all.
      _____________________________
      SM: The Kalpoes will still be questioned in a court of law, the JURY trial is set for May 17, 2010. The only thing that was dismissed was the Skeeter’s Estate portion of the suit. (klaasend)

    35. Carpe on May 11th, 2009 7:00 pm

      NO MORE GOLF 4 U, ESEY!

      Ayeeeeee Miooooooo!!!!

      -Aruba Amigoe

      Adventure Golf close
      May 11, 2009

      Adventure Golf is closed. Affecting workers in the dark rumors about a possible go-around.

      ORANGE CITY – The mini golf course Adventure Golf has its doors closed. Last Sunday noted that all locks employees of the company were changed.
      Also there was a letter on the front with the message that the company is dismantled and that the contracts with about twenty employees will be dissolved.

    36. jennifer on May 11th, 2009 10:24 pm

      Does anyone find it strange that Dave Holloway has Satish Kalpoe on his facebook page as a friend? It looks like it is Dave holloways page and not someone who put it there!

    37. HOPE on May 12th, 2009 3:06 am

      Kinda off subject,

      but don’t you think SUPER DAVE

      is a bit anal…

      in more ways than one?

      .

      :)

      Thanks, Klaas!

    38. dotratc on May 12th, 2009 8:32 am

      #27, you misread the Order. The Judge did not determine that the tapes had not been edited; the Judge determined that there was no evidence that Skeeters participated in the editing of the tapes.

      #29, you crack me up!

    39. Maggie on May 12th, 2009 4:08 pm

      Anyone with a half a brain knows you edit tapes for news and every other program on tv. No way did I ever believe Jamie Skeeters, changed some tape around to get the Kalpoes.. He had a life long career and was president of the polygraph assoc. Jamies Skeeters told Dr. Phil what Deepak said, he was there and heard it first hand. 2 dif analysts on MSNBC one day listen to this tape, one said he did, the other said he didn’t.. To me it makes no sense he would say we didn’t , you’d be surprised how simple it was. Also sound like we did to me..

      Stress and trauma caused to the Kalpoes.? pathetic. I might halfway feel sorry for these people if they had told where Natalee was right at the start.. because if they didn’t actually know, she could be alive anywhere and her life possibly could be saved.. None of them went to look for Natalee from the start.. and all they did was lie and obstruct.Wasn’t it Deepak telling Joran, you don’t have to tell them nothing, the night Beth came looking for her daughter? Wasn’t it Deepak’s car parked at the Sloots when he said he was at work that night? Wasn’t it Deepaks car at the police station when he said he was home sleeping the next day?

      All of them made derogatory remarks about her and her family, that were nothing but lies. I do believe Deepak when he told the guard..the father, Joran and family sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn Lie.. before it was even known she was missing. Deepak said Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw off an investigation before there was one. Beth said when the gardener came forward to say he saw 3 boys parked that night, Deepak called some girl and asked her to give him an alibi..and she called the FBI and reported it. They lied about cleaning the car.. and was it ants or sand ? on the night Natalee went missing before daylight.

      Deepak also said in his statements that..this was normal, they would go out.. Joran and another guy usually made the first moves on the girls , and that they all have been in the same room having sex with tourists before. They also lied about who drove that night..and events of that night.. Deepak could remember it all in great detail, what speed he was doing where and what number the radio was on..but when asked what Paulus said when he kept meeting with him..Deepak developed amnesia..he couldnt recall..how loonie.. Paulus was calling Natalee a body within 24 hours, when talking to the 3.

      Steve Cohen said at least had 2 had sex with her and expected them to be charged with rape and murder.. Dompig said these 3 know more..they are guilty as hell.. was proclaimed one confessed.. Joran said.. Deepak raped and killed, buried Natalee.. Karin Janssen called it a sex crime. Why aren’t they suiing Joran and his family, Steve, Dompig etc? Why aren’t the guards suiing all of them for lying about them getting them arrested? I hope Beth and the rest of Natalee’s family sues them all for false statements..and for allowing underage guys in the casino, plus the father bringing his underage son there and leaving as he says..Who knows if he actually even left.. sure looks like him on that tape.

      There’s a reason 3 guys go out at closing time to move in on an intoxicated girl. As Anita would like to say though..about her sporter drug free saint.. What kind of girl would get in the car with my son and the Kalpoes? Tells you what they think of their sons. For sure I would never say that about mine.

      Yet Dr. Phil ruined their reputation and caused them stress… what a joke..Ruined their reputation and caused them to be back out in pictures not long after partying. And where was Natalee? I hope they get all 3 of them under oath in the usa.. do not collect 200 dollars go straight to jail .perjury.. Of course they are probably in Joran’s acting classs with his coach he had on his one lying tour with Greta. They can always consult the practing lawyer Paulus with to coach them on amnesia.

    40. Susan on May 12th, 2009 5:17 pm

      #34 – Hope

      Okay, I see your point, but I’m glad klaasend confirmed that the Kalpoes will still be questioned in a court of law. That would have to be the case considering the lawsuit against Dr. Phil has not been thrown out of court yet.

    41. vhj on May 12th, 2009 10:52 pm

      what’s really odd is that these individuals were never asked by the owners or the management of carlos n charlie’s ,now call senor frogs.to not come back to their establishment,you know because of all the bad publicity.evan after multiple arrests or evan to this day.all suspects continued to frequent this bizness on a regular basis.they found it nessesary to change the name of the bizness but found it acceptable to let the all suspects to frequent their establishment whenever they wanted to.here’s the proof http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/.I guess I’m the only one who finds this odd

    42. vhj on May 12th, 2009 10:58 pm

      http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/.last post after after dot com a slash dot I magicaly appeared evan thought I didn’t put it there you may have to print http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com into the address bar

    43. crossbow on May 13th, 2009 9:32 pm

      Remember 16 more days and 4 years will have gone by without a trace of Natalee.
      What brings us together for this amount of time?
      Six months away get ready………………….
      http://www.phillytravelshow.com/Home.aspx
      List of exhibitors………
      http://www.phillytravelshow.com/CurrentExhibitors.aspx
      Notice the Miami address……..
      http://www.phillytravelshow.com/ExhibitorDetail.aspx?id=8444

    44. crossbow on May 14th, 2009 9:14 am

      STILL DOWN HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
      http://www.mementomori.com/

    45. vhj on May 14th, 2009 9:14 am

      mr deepak for you sake,you better contact the federal athourities in the u.s.a it’s time come clean.you and your family can be on the right of this or stick with the losing side.you can’t win on your current path

    46. crossbow on May 14th, 2009 9:20 am

      Val returned to Aruba with his mother Anita on June 2nd, 2005

      Val said there is a dead girl in my bathtub

      Therefore it is a good possibility that Anita also saw the dead girl in the bathtub.

      Therefore Anita has been lying since she covered her mouth in her infamous throw up gesture.

    47. crossbow on May 14th, 2009 9:26 am

      Why did it take 96 hours from the time Beth requested the video tapes of the Holiday Inn cameras and the time she got them to revie?
      Any thing could be altered in that amount of time.
      AND we all know who had the ability to do that alteration and tampering.
      Just because Natalee did not appear on the tape Beth reviewed does not mean that Natalee was never returned to some other room at the HI.
      We were I believe all too trusting of Aruba in the first few days of Natalee’s disappearance.

    48. crossbow on May 14th, 2009 9:30 am

      Natalee should now be preparing for her trip to celebrate her graduation……….from college and on to med school.
      That did not happen.
      On the other side what has Joran accomplished in these four years?
      Managed to stay alive is one accomplishment. Anymore?

    49. Lisa in Maryland on May 14th, 2009 5:41 pm

      I’ve had a lot to read to catch up with you guys. Does anyone know the latest on Joran? Where is he and what is he doing? I keep hoping that he’ll trip up but, it seems like the monster has a free pass.

      Justice comes slowly but it will come and I pray with a vengance when it does!

    50. Lisa in Maryland on May 14th, 2009 5:41 pm

      I’ve had a lot to read to catch up with you guys. Does anyone know the latest on Joran? Where is he and what is he doing? I keep hoping that he’ll trip up but, it seems like the monster has a free pass.

      Justice comes slowly but it will come and I pray with a vengance when it does!

    51. vhj on May 15th, 2009 7:43 am

      joe tocopina is a italian mob lawyer,I guess he doesn’t mind being associated with child kiddnapers and human sex trafikkers.he evan came on t.v and jumped to joran vandersloots defence when vandersloot made his confession of kidnapping and selling NATALEE to a strange man.hey JOE I understand defending mobsters is kind of a cool portfolio.gives you a macho tough guy persona,no body messes with a tough guy, but this?have you thought this thru?your now seen as a sleazebag.your image is taking a beating.you sold your image for a measly 750 dollars an hour.is that all your image on the world stage worth?I feel sorry and embarrassed for you.do the right thing and end this.this goes for the rest of you mob families,take a good look at what’s going on.what’s the next mob movie going to be? mobsters kidnapping and sell the niegborhood kids for money ,how depraved is that?eveybody cleans house now and then

    52. Jokersvlag on May 15th, 2009 8:27 am

      Perhaps she is still alive and ran away from her mother who seems only to earn big money!

    53. Maggie on May 15th, 2009 11:31 am

      Jokersvlag on May 15th, 2009 8:27 am
      Perhaps she is still alive and ran away from her mother who seems only to earn big money!

      Perhaps you should give up your job as a comedian. I can promise you they would give up everything they own,, if they were given the chance to get Natalee back alive..but that won’t happen.. Natalee hasn’t been alive she the night she went missing.

      Evidently you have never suffered the loss of a child…how pathetic

    54. mommytraveler on May 15th, 2009 3:47 pm

      If Deepak replied to Skeeter, “she didn’t” instead of “she did” as shown on the Dr. Phil show – all that implies is that Deepak is saying she didn’t have sex with all of them – maybe, just him and Joran and not Satish? or not with everyone present – whomever those others might be. He didn’t reply, “Not with me” – he just replied not with all 3. I seriously doubt that Deepak or Satish will ever come to the USA and try to to defend all their lies in our court system.

    55. vhj on May 15th, 2009 9:45 pm

      Yes,ran away,with no passport,no phone calls to anyone in four years,never used a bank machine anywhere,no ID,no real money,wearing flip flops,no change of clothes, never able to contact anyone to call off search,allowed millions to be spent,allowed people to be jailed repeatedly.ruined a judges reputation,let his son run around the world dodging reporters and the law.let an entire country to put under a microscope,yes, I can see her enginearing all that on her own in a country she was in for only in six days.

    56. Jokersvlag on May 16th, 2009 6:51 am

      Dear Maggie, I come on this page like many of us to think over what could happened to Natalee. Our government closed the media as much as they could… no gooed think, for we want to know whatever still could be possible to understand.
      You know: the more I heard, the more questions came up.
      About losing family, children and wives… etc. I have a long story! I have three sons: Vincent, Reinier and Silven: 20, 17 and 10 years… never heard from them again. My youngest sister Irma with her long foxred hair died when she was 31 years old (cancer) and last year my oldest brother (his heart stood still).
      But I’m a fighter on my own way. Never give up hope and just trying the good sides of people… many are rotten (money).

      Perhaps Nat is alive, but we do not understand why this all happens. Accepting she is dead without real proof is the last thing I will accept.
      But many get tired after all the years…

      When Nat disapeared with a certain reason she did that very well.
      Still, on her birthday I placed something special and saw That someone look from out Venezuela… Nat??? Because nobody loos in those countries overthere.

      But that’s allI can say from my side at the moment.

      Shake hands?

    57. Jokersvlag on May 16th, 2009 7:36 am

      Well, I answered you’re question Maggie… but someone removed my massage.
      So now everyone thinks that it’s right for you to say that I do not know what is meant to lose a child…
      So I did lose three sons!
      Be happy?
      Anyway: who is here the stupid one?

    58. Maggie on May 16th, 2009 12:06 pm

      Jokersvlag on May 15th, 2009 8:27 am
      Perhaps she is still alive and ran away from her mother who seems only to earn big money!

      There is noooooooone around who has lost a child that would make such comments that Natalee ran away from her mother. You question that accepting her death with proof.. So you are accepting she ran away from her mother.. Could you provide proof of that? There is not one shred of evidence that Natalee had anything, but love for her entire family. And since you said you lost a child, then you more than anyone, should understand.. A parent will go to hell and back to keep their missing child’s story out there. It has nothing to do with the money.

      Unfortunately the media jumps on the stories when they are hot off the press and bring ratings and then let them die.. How else does a parent keep their missing child’s story out there?

      Of course Natalee disappeared very well… do you remember Paulus telling all 3 without a body, they have no case? Why was he calling her a body? Why did they allow 2 innocent men to sit in jail for suspicion of murder and kidnapping. Why did Joran say Deepak killed and raped Natalee.Why did Deepak say Joran raped Natalee. Why did Joran go into elaborate detail the first night about sexual stuff with Natalee and say she was passing out off and on..until he found out that could qualify as rape. Why did they have her sober one minute when it helped their story and drunk the next.. Natalee worked hard for what she achieved.. why do you come here and try to demean her and her mother simply because she was left voiceless and can’t defend herself? With all we know about these 3.. liars, liars, liars.. and I don’t see you commenting on how they have tried to cash in on the victim.

      NO 18 girl old girl is going to go to a foreign place and leave with no id, no money, no wallet, no passport, no clothes, no phone, no transporation.. Of course there is no evidence like that.. Because all of them lied for over 2 weeks, so noone knows for sure where they even took her that night. Natalee would never leave her family and not say where she was going.

      As for Venezuela if you watchd the movie..they said FBI went to Venezuela to check out stories like that in the beginning and nothing..

      Plus this from Hans Mos..you know the wonderful prosecutor, who was a joke. Everytime one of the officials were criticized for being a joke from ARUBA, they went into hiding..just like him. and conflicts of interest galore in this case.

      Charges were dropped against Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, prosecutor Hans Mos said, not because he didn’t have a case but because he couldn’t be sure of a conviction.

      The decision not to prosecute doesn’t mean “there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest,” Mos told CNN.

      He said his office remains determined to find the truth. “We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now.”

      Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager’s disappearance on May 30, 2005.

      In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

      The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

      New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

      Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects behind bars.

      In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.

      Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

      But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway’s death or how she died. “If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now,” Mos said.

      Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

      The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect — whom Mos did not name — told her that “he didn’t want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn’t be discussed over the phone,” he said.

      Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their re-arrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.

      A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited “very peculiar behavior” the day after Holloway’s disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

      A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

      Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three suspects.

      All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.

      In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba’s Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.

      All three have maintained their innocence. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot’s mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

      What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That’s why, he said, his office went to the expense of transferring van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after arresting him again in November — out of hopes that he might talk.

      “You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up,” he said.

      Mos acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and arresting them again may have been a long shot, but “we had to give it a shot.”

    59. vhj on May 16th, 2009 12:38 pm

      Jokersvlag,what makes you think she ran away?maybe I’ve bien wrong.all this time

    60. vhj on May 16th, 2009 3:02 pm

      what did the F.B.I do in venezwala?how did they check it out?what procedure did they implement?did this movie show them in venezwala investigating.which areas did they check-out?did they first alert the aruban athourities that they were heading to venezwala,you know ,so that they could phone ahead and alert people of F.B.I’S impending arrival?

    61. Waterboy on May 16th, 2009 11:17 pm

      I’ve been busy. Sorry it has been such a long time since I posted.

      I’ve come to several conclusions:

      1. Joran raped Natalee—conscious or unconscious. Maybe
      both.
      2. Joran poisoned Natalee—probable intentionally.
      3. Joran murdered Natalee—either out of revenge, or in a fit of
      rage.
      4. Joran with the help of someone or someones disposed of
      her body.

      The points that other posters (such as Crossbow, Roy, Carpe, etc) and I disagree on are none of the 4 above points.

      Jerry

    62. Carpe on May 17th, 2009 3:09 am

      Natalee did not run away.

      Joran told you what he did.

      Aruba has responded by doing nothing. It is what
      an Aruban does best!

      Anyone who could seriously entertain the idea
      Nat was a runaway is probably:

      12
      mentally challenged
      stoned
      a crack whore
      an AHATA employee
      Hans Mos
      Rudy Croes
      -OR-
      a sucka azz pimp with the king azz fro


      P.S. Jerry, you are still the man in my book, bro!

      Good to see you friend.

    63. Jokersvlag on May 17th, 2009 5:47 am

      Dear Monkeys,

      Rain on the windows today…

      Here the following things:
      Do you know what the New World Order is?

      ((edit))

      ___________________________________________
      SM: Joran..is that you? ;) (klaasend)

    64. Richarline AKA Arubaanse on May 17th, 2009 4:06 pm

      Wow…it’s been so long…I’ve missed you guys.
      I was hoping that by this time everything was solved and that Joran and his pals are locked behind bars.

      Take care and God bless,

      P.S.: Klaasend, how are you doing? I hope all is well with you
      ________________________________
      SM: How are you? Good to see you! I’m fine, just wishing Joran and his pals would tell the truth about what they did to Natalee. I can’t wait for the Kalpoe/Dr.Phil case to go to trial though, should be interresting to watch Deepak and Satish squirm and lie on the stand. :-) (klaasend)

    65. Richarline AKA Arubaanse on May 17th, 2009 4:34 pm

      SM: How are you? Good to see you! I’m fine, just wishing Joran and his pals would tell the truth about what they did to Natalee. I can’t wait for the Kalpoe/Dr.Phil case to go to trial though, should be interresting to watch Deepak and Satish squirm and lie on the stand. (klaasend)
      ___________________________________________
      I’m fine too. Still in the Netherlands and i’m not planning to go back to Aruba either. The last time i was there was back in 2007 for my little cousin’s funeral. I don’t think i want to go back to Aruba anymore. Things have changed alot there…that is not the island i grew up in.

      It’s been so long since I’ve been on this blog. I just finished watching the Natalee Holloway movie and i decided to drop by and see what you guys are doing. I can’t believe they are still free. To tell you the truth, i don’t have any hopes anymore that they will ever be locked up for what they did to Natalee. I’m afraid nobody will ever be punished.

    66. Jokersvlag on May 17th, 2009 9:39 pm

      Now you see… no change to talk.
      You remove all the important messages I try to say.
      That’s stupid.
      The important thing is: why… may the others don’t hear it?
      The TACTIC IS: SOMEONE GIVES IT UP, LIKE: WHAT DOES HE SAY… CAN YOU HEAR IT?
      wHAT DOES HE SAY?
      And then -what you expect- someone begins to shout: why do you not listen?
      Yes… why should you?
      The tactic is: do not let anyone tell another historie that WE HAVE!
      So it ends with frustrated new people.
      Are you that rotten Monkeys?

      Well, if this disapears… I tell you the next time how my message is on another chanel all over the world… but ABOUT YOU!
      ;
      Talking about kill etc.
      You!…

    67. vhj on May 18th, 2009 12:47 am

      hey,jokersvlag.your very smart. I see you speak dutch and english,what other languages do you speak?

    68. Waterboy on May 18th, 2009 7:16 am

      It sought him. It searched for him. It found him before he was born. It knew he was a willing vessel, a willing vessel with no soul, or at least one so dark that the Light could never penetrate. His blood was removed and replaced with the dragon’s own before birth.

      He was a soul unfrosted by the prayers of parents. These parents have souls as dark and sticky as tar. Their parents had dark souls, and their parents before them, and on and on and on, and so, generation after generation, until it reached back to a time from the beginning when the evil begin, an instant when evil took control of both sides of his family tree.

      He’s has a pedigree of evil. He was breed for evil. Like an Arabian Stallion breed for speed, generation after generation of selective breeding, but in his case, a pedigree of evil with each breeding achieving more evil.

      Generation after generation was bit by the dragon, and generation after generation had life-blood removed and replace by an evil fluid that filled the vessels and nourished every part and every organ with evil.

      At the appointed time, he was released from the chains that had tethered him and set on a rampage. He was released on the world. He sought the blood of the innocent. He found it. He found it over and over, and so like a vampire of the night he searches for it still. His thirst will never be quenched.

      Jerry

    69. Carpe on May 18th, 2009 7:46 pm

      Speaking different languages is a great thing!

      More specifically, when you can communicate in each one with great effectiveness.

      Take Charo of the coochie coochie fame, for instance. She knew all the quick phrases.

      My choos are red.

      I write with a big pen-seal.

      Say Joe, wish way to de zoo?

      … but if you severed your leg and depended on
      sweet Charo to provide life saving care
      by checking you into Cedar-Sinai Medical Center…

      I hope you like those big tiddies, man…

      ‘cuz you are gonna be in for one LONG AFTERNOON!

      Mastery of communication

      is your key to the universe.

    70. Susan on May 19th, 2009 9:50 am

      Where is the Natalee Holloway Investigation Today?
      Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
      Reported by: Cynthia Gould
      Last Update: 5/18 4:17 pm

      (AP) May marks the four year anniversary of the disappearance of Natallee Holloway. CBS 42 was in Aruba recently to find out what’s happening with the investigation. We uncovered some new allegations and more claims of a botched investigation.

      Beautiful beaches, clear blue water and plenty of sunshine. But this island still lives under a cloud.

      “It’s still hurting us.”

      Both police and prosecutors refused to talk about the Holloway case, only saying it’s open and they are following leads.

      “Officially it is still open, but I don’t think they are doing anything with it.”

      Jossy Mansur, who’s lived on the island all his life, owns Diario, the local newspaper. Diario’s stories often directed police to witnesses and leads.

      “We know more or less what happened. She was done away with. Murder? Yes,” said Mansur.

      “Classic case of money, power and never getting caught?”

      “Exactly, influence, political, specifically from Holland,” said Mansur.

      Mansur says the investigation was clouded by the fact that the father of suspect Joran van der Sloot was a judge who worked with the same authorities handling the Holloway case.

      “He was working with all these people. Judges developed close friendships or understandings. I have documents that have never been published in which Joran makes statements, which were corrected in his father’s handwriting saying things that call attention not to foul play but favoritism,” said Mansur.

      Mansur questions why the three suspects were not arrested within the first 24 hours, and claims many leads were not followed. He’s also trying to confirm whether Joran confessed early on.

      “The only super secret information we are after, we heard there was a confession…the papers have disappeared.”

      He discounts theories Natalee was sold into sex slavery. No similar cases have ever come up. And as for an accidental overdose, not likely according to Mansur, since the laws are so lenient in those cases, someone would have come forward to tell what happened.

      Mansur says the release of secret recordings made of Joran turned the island against him and brought renewed sympathy for the family, despite hard feelings over earlier calls for a tourist boycott.

      We were unable to talk with anyone at the van der Sloot home in Aruba. Joran has proclaimed his innocence in interviews, but there are still many doubters on the island.

      “After all the stories, it looks like he had something to do with it,” said Evert jan van Versendaal.

      Those who knew Joran from school were surprised by the accusations.

      “At the school he seemed fine his mother art teacher two brothers all of them regular,” said Daniel Ferrara.

      But Mansur paints a much different, darker picture…a young man with a troubled past whose parents always came to the rescue.

      “This guy is way beyond control with his anger and that he is capable of doing anything,” said Mansur.

      Natalee was last seen alive at a night club called Carlos and Charlies, which is now closed, getting into the car with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

      Mansur says many in Aruba theorize she was drugged, sexually assaulted then killed…her body likely dumped in the ocean. Natalee’s father organizes periodic searches on the island.

      “With time I think may be solved with time. Don’t think in the short term unless a miracle and we find Natalee’s remains,” said Mansur.

      In the long term, it’s a story that is still very much alive.

      “It’s definitely something going to be in our hearts and our minds forever.”

      Joran van der Sloot we’re told is still in Holland. The Kalpoe brothers live quietly on the island, refusing interviews and staying out of the limelight.

    71. vhj on May 20th, 2009 1:01 am

      number 50 writes. He discounts theories Natalee was sold into sex slavery. No similar cases have ever come up.what about amy bradley?how about Leta Lynn Cordes has been missing since Friday, January 11, 2008.what about Marlies Elizabeth van der Kouwe .then there’s Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp and also gary makings,plus the entire Labouovic family,goran and nevena,thier two kids “Igore” & “Evonne”.brand new boat also stolen.probably shoundn’t have hired a local skipper.then we have Willard ‘Bud’ Larson,also Richard Henriquez* I guess power and enfluence also clouded these cases too.

    72. vhj on May 20th, 2009 1:02 am

      number 70 writes. He discounts theories Natalee was sold into sex slavery. No similar cases have ever come up.what about amy bradley?how about Leta Lynn Cordes has been missing since Friday, January 11, 2008.what about Marlies Elizabeth van der Kouwe .then there’s Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp and also gary makings,plus the entire Labouovic family,goran and nevena,thier two kids “Igore” & “Evonne”.brand new boat also stolen.probably shoundn’t have hired a local skipper.then we have Willard ‘Bud’ Larson,also Richard Henriquez* I guess power and enfluence also clouded these cases too.

    73. Carpe on May 21st, 2009 12:04 pm

      Yeah, no real clouds here.

      DeVries got Joran’s confession saved on tape
      for eternal history.

      Jossy said it, and he is right:

      “We know more or less what happened. She was done away with. Murder? Yes,” said Mansur.

      The hammer has yet to be dropped on Joran.

      …but, it is definitely coming.

      Patience is a virtue!

    74. babyblue on June 19th, 2009 11:33 am

      #1-katablog……perhaps Paulass van der scum is paying the lawyer fees. hush money for the cowpoo morons.

    75. bunky on December 5th, 2009 9:16 am

      They ALL will come down!!
      Justice for Natalee and all others!!!

    76. Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Mislead the Court & Continue with VISA Excuses to Dodge Depositions in LA County, CA Dr Phil Defamation Case | Scared Monkeys on January 31st, 2010 11:21 am

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    77. juan on April 25th, 2010 9:33 pm

      Now all we need is Geraldo and Nancy Grace. Of course they will show up at the end of the long investigation and take credit for everything.

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