RSSNatalee Holloway: Aruba Justice Minister Rudy Croes Says Joran Van der Sloot is Persona non Grata’ …
What goes around comes around and its Joran Van der Sloots turn at the wheel.
The tide is turning against Joran Van der Sloot and his family as even those in 
Aruba who once ran cover for Joran Van der Sloot and his involvement in the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway are jumping ship. The continued tourism issue in Aruba as well as the smug and rotten attitude has finally warn thin on Aruba. Justice Minister Rudy Croes has stated that Joran Van der Sloot is considered persona non grata and other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island. Rudy, you are a dollar short and nearly 2 years and 9 months late.
“Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”
Rudy Croes, you are going to have to to do better than just not allowing Joran Van der Sloot back in Aruba. You are going to have to provide … Justice for Natalee.
As Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario stated, the Aruba people are fed up with Joran and his actions.
The people here are really fed-up with that character. The worst that could have happened to him is the video recording made by De Vries. Voices are now being raised to kick him and his family off the island. Others want the U.S. to extradite him.
What has been amazing during the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee 
Holloway is the path of destruction that Joran Van der Sloot has left in his wake. Obviously, there is Natalee Holloway and the pain he has and continues to cause Beth Holloway, Dave Holloway, Jug Twitty and the rest of Natalee;s family. Then there is the Aruban people and its tourism economy as we have stated from the outset … what is good for Joran Van der Sloot, is bad for Aruba. Now in Joran’s most recent saga of not being able to keep his mouth shut and need to gloat, Joran implicated his one time friend Daury in the disposal of Natalee’s body and got his father Paulas Van der Sloot in a world of trouble.
Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee.
Joran Van der Sloot is a walking menace who cares of nobody but himself. He has no respect for authority, including that of his own parents. As Beth Twitty stated in an interview with Nancy Grace:
And when I hear Jossy Mansur speaking, I`m thinking, God, look at the hell he`s dragged us all through. Look at the hell he`s dragged from Jossy through to all of us. I mean, he has just totally, totally dragged us all through hell with him, this Joran Van Der Sloot. It`s just despicable what he has done. It`s a sad form of a human existence, if you ask me, Joran is.
‘Joran persona non grata’ (Amigoe: 2/9/08)
Justice-minister Rudy Croes does no longer want Joran van der Sloot on the island, because he has caused and is still causing a lot of damage to the image of Aruba.
ORANJESTAD – The minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has declared Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of having murdered Natalee Holloway, persona non grata. Other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island.
The ministry of Justice also proposes this vote of censure in the light of a package of measures to tackle the criminality problems among Aruban and Antillean young persons in the Netherlands that is agreed on in the Dutch cabinet. The Dutch Justice-minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law that makes it possible to send them back to Aruba or the Antilles if necessary. “Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”
Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee. Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet. “If it turns out that what Joran said is true, we will take disciplinary measures. He indicated in a letter to the Dutch programme Pauw & Witteman that what Joran said it is not true.”
All eyes are now focused on the declaration that Joran van der Sloot wants to give to the police. According to his lawyers’ firm in the Netherlands, he hadn’t done that yet yesterday. On no account does the Public Prosecutor (OM) want to say where, when, or if there’s going to be an encounter. The ministry of Justice said that two detectives from Aruba had gone to the Netherlands for this. Also chief prosecutor Hans Mos is in the Netherlands, but supposedly on vacation.
Because the suspect has voluntarily committed to give a statement, the OM must passively wait a see whether Van der Sloot will come to the police station. Arresting him is impossible, as long as the examining magistrate in Oranjestad does not give permission for this. The OM had till this afternoon to submit the court of Justice with all relevant information and objections regarding the appeal against the decision that the examining magistrate made last week, not to arrest Joran. The court will decide on this next week.
Patrick van der Eem not welcome in the US due to his drugs past.
PATRICK
The interest for the Holloway-case remains the same in the United States. Peter R. de Vries, who left for the United States last Wednesday to appear in among others the Larry King show and Good Morning America, receives most of the attention. One of the first things that Larry King wanted to know from De Vries was whether he has questioned the reliability of informant Patrick van der Eem. He has a criminal record and he has drugged Joran van der Sloot to encourage him to confess, said King. “Smoking marihuana is Joran’s daily routine anyway”, answered De Vries, who didn’t think Van der Eem’s past is important.
But Justice in the US thought differently and arrested Van der Eem immediately after arrival at JFK-airport in New York. They put him on the very next plane to the Netherlands. Because of his criminal record, Van der Eem was not allowed to enter the US. The idea was that together with De Vries, he would also go on tour to all the big American TV-stations.
‘Natalee was epileptic’
Also the family Holloway is receiving a lot of attention again from the media in the US. Natalee’s mother Beth Twitty is often seen in the company of Peter R. de Vries.
Also Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty got to speak. According to him, the police and justice in Aruba had covered up the true fact of Natalee’s disappearance. Joran’s declaration that Natalee had suddenly started to shake on the beach is according to him the indication that the authorities knew in 2005 already what had happened. “I now understand why, two weeks after her disappearance, the police asked us if Natalee was suffering of epileptic attacks”, he told the journalists. “Twitty had already mentioned on TV last year that Aruban detectives have asked him about Natalee’s epileptic or allergic reactions. It is not inconceivable that during the ‘spy confessions’, Joran has used Twitty’s statements to trace a wrong track.”
Posted February 9, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Corruption, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot | 104 comments |
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And I’d like to declare Mr. Croes persona non telling the truth a
Unless translated in papiamento to murderer and rapists, he can take his greek and shove it.
“Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he (Paulus vd Scum) can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet.”
Hey, bozo, I have a very low opinion of lawyers.
Even so, do you remember that Paulus of the ditch, as soon as Joran was taken to jail the first time, took his son’s Web site down? You know, the Web site that he and the other Pimps used?
How do you spell “possible destruction of evidence”?
And remember when Paulus said that he picked Joran up from the McDonald’s at 4 a.m. … and later, as Beth Holloway Twitty said, changed the time to 11 p.m.? (Even though he hadn’t gotten to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies by that time.)
And remember when he said “if he told the whole story, a lot of INNOCENT people would get hurt”? (Setting aside the question of how innocent people could get hurt by his story….)
According to Joran’s “confession,” he walked home. Doesn’t this sort of imply that Paulus isn’t telling the truth?
Now, I wouldn’t want you to think too deeply … but maybe it would be appropriate to suspend his license to practice law immediately. Or don’t you think that lawyers have ethical obligations?
Oh, yeah, not to mention … Joran was drinking and gambling in casinos at age 17, when, according to Aruban law, he wasn’t even allowed to be there!
I guess wannabe judges’ sons get privileges….
This is exactly what they wanted people to believe. He commits a crime on the Island and now you don’tt want him here, Rudy come now, you know well what has gone wrong down there and now you just want to work the final act of the corruption.
You know that it is not true to consider him persona non-grata, You do not call the shots who can live on the Island. It is the Dutch Imigration System, I will like to see how Rudy is going to twist the LAW for not letting him in. a Dutch is a DUTCH and when Aruba is part of that Kingdom of Holland, he will be let in no questions ask, You may have your independance’s day but you still are blind with glasses made of wood you are wearing. You depend on the Dutch System for your Corruptions and their money. “WE BETAALD, BEPAALD”
Remember “Who provide you with financial support, has the last word who can live on the Island. The Dutch rules on the Island and you know that.
Remember Aruba is part of The Kingdom holland
Holland is not part of the Kingdom of Aruba.
Rudy, go back to school or better yet, go back analysing $hit where you worked before….BTW not even that you are good in.
I DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING THESE “FREAKS” IN ARUBA SAY!
THE PRIME MINISTER!
THE JUSTICE MINISTER!
THE TOURISM AHATA BULLSHIT GUY!
THE PROSECUTOR..PLURAL! JANSEN GARBAGE!
THE POLICE!
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT IS BEHIND THE RAPE AND MURDER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY! HIS FATHER HAS HELPED HIM ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THIS INVESTIGATION! ARUBA OFFICIALS AND CONNECTS OR FRIENDS OF PAULUS COVERED THIS MURDER AND DISPOSAL OF HER BODY WHEN SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN DEAD! AND…ONE MORE THING…..
WE WANT JUSTICE! AND WE, AMERICA AND THE WHOLE WORLD, WANT IT NOW!
F U ARUBA!
ARREST HIM NOW!
P.S. – HAVE A NICE SLEEP JORAN! you piece of trash!
NO MATTER WHAT, JORAN’S LIFE WILL BE A LIVING HELL! FOREVER!!!!
THE ISLAND OF ARUBA IS A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
IS ANYONE GOING TO INVESTIGATE THE JUDGE WHO MET THE POLICE AT PAULUS’ DOOR AND REWROTE THE SEARCH WARRANT ON THE SPOT? THAT JUDGE IS LOOKING PRETTY BAD RIGHT ABOUT NOW WITH ALL THAT IS COMING OUT WITH JORAN’S CONFESSION.
SNEAKING JORAN A CELL PHONE IN PRISON IS LIKE A BABY CRIME COMPARED WITH DUMPING A BODY!!!! PAULUS IS IN THIS THING AND HE WAS IN IT FROM DAY EFF-ING ONE!!!!
Aw ant that cute rudy started to grow a testicle. Hey rudy if you try hard enough you might grow two !!! I was watching Sling Blade with Billy Bob Thorton tonight. Has any one else noticed how much paulas vandercrap looks like Carl ???
Did anyone happen to notice all the nasty videos that have been posted on You Tube about Natalee?
I put Natalee’s name in the search for You Tube and so many disgusting videos came back smearing her family, especially Jug.
It looks like Joran has found a way to keep himself busy during his break from school.
#6- Betsy- I concur about Papa Sloot being in on Joran’s crime from day 1. Very good question about the judge above and the search warrant that was re-written…I remember that at the time and thought it was very odd and defintely raised yet another suspicion that SOMETHING ELSE WAS ROTTEN IN DENMARK..OOps! I mean, Aruba. I’m still not convinced the Kalpoe brothers are completely innocent either- especially Deepak. I do believe Joran used them to help craft one of his many bogus alibi’s…. Oh, what a wicked web this kid has weaved since that fateful night…..Now we can all take great delight in knowing that web is quickly unraveling, Joran ! He is going back on suicide watch soon….BOO HOO..stay in hiding in Holland—Oh, and bet he tries to escape to Spain…he mentioned he wanted to buy a dream house there with his blood money from the big settlement he was expecting. Also- why aren’t copies of that disgusting book he wrote being banned? He sold his big pack of lies for profit and spent all the proceeds on gambling & getting high. Hey, Anita–Hope you are PROUD of your little Sporter now!! What a waste of human flesh.
-J4N
Joran had better sleep with eye open because one the poeple that helped him dispose of Natalee may decide to shut his mouth permanently. Joran is a loose cannon…
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That’s one ugly guy. Somebody must be telling him that his beard is sexy. It looks like a nest for some sort of rodent. He needs a mustache not that food catcher!!
Rudy, all you have to do is when Joran steps off the plane, have someone put him right back on the next one. I mean the guy is a big Baby Huey!! No one can miss him. Anywhere. Any place.
@Aminosadinada on February 9th, 2008 11:53 pm
Actually, Aruba is not ruled by Holland, they are seperate country’s united in one Kingdom, i know it’s confusing.
It’s the :
Kingdom of the Netherlands.
which consists off :
The Netherlands.
The (Netherlands) antilles (bonaire, curacao, etc etc)
Aruba.
Which are 3 seperate country’s united under the Kingdom.
That’s why the KLPD has such limited authority in Aruba because they are native to the Netherlands and not native to Aruba.
Only the “Ministerie van Defensie” (Defense) & “ministerie van buitenlandse zaken” (forgein affairs) has authority in all country’s off the kingdom.
For the rest, all country’s have theire own government.
People of Netherlands.
The Monster of Montanya The Elder committed Obstruction of Justice. Is this not a crime in the Netherlands?
If the Netherlands in known for their profound legal system, why is he not disbarred?
Send the Monster of Mantanya the Elder an email via his business on One Nightmare Eiland
http://www.arubalegalservices.com
Ask him if he knows a gut method of disposing a body on an eiland.
Monster of Montanya the Younger – you could jump off building.
With regard to this story and the story about what Jossy is telling Scared Monkeys…
If Aruba can forbid Joran from returning to Aruba (and I doubt that Croes legally can) and by removing Paulus VDS from government committees, Minister Rudy Croes and the Aruban government may be taking these actions to make it so uncomfortable that the van der Sloot family willingly moves back to Holland on its own. That is exactly what I think they are trying to do.
End result? Aruba can just wipe its hands of the Holloway case and point everyone to Holland for answers to any more questions. They will just be able to tell the world: hey, look, we did what we could but now most of the ‘players’ are in Holland and you need to go to Holland — not us here in Aruba for further action.
Holland can then say to the world: hey, we have done all we could but all that stuff happened in Aruba – go ask them what happened.
So, please be careful what you wish for!
Aruba is definitely a two-tiered country with almost all of the power, authority, and money belonging to the European Dutch citizens. I’ve noticed many of the ‘players’ have left Aruba for other Dutch Islands, Holland, and even the USA. Plus, as we all know, Aruba is a small island with a relatively small population — those in powerful positions and positions with authority seem to know each another through one connection or another — jobs, socially, relatives.
As for the working class of Arubans, it appears they are mostly concerned with just trying to make a living as best they can in mainly service jobs which do not pay a great deal. I think they just want the VDS family to leave and take the stink and the controversy with them.
Call me a skeptic but I read (and have read) a great deal and post little. I am suspicious of ALL the ‘players’ in and on Aruba — past and present.
Oh you people…when will you ever get the facts right and stop this BS?!
With all these half thruths you are worse than a certain Democratic candidate you always accuse of lying!
Croes only said this because of a law the Dutch Minister of Justice is preparing. Hirsch Ballin wants to have the authority to send criminal youths back to Aruba and of course Aruba objects to that. Croes also says he is aware of that fact that legally it is not possible to declare any Dutch person a persona non grata on Aruba.
Perhaps you should have added this little piece of information because it shows what these comments were really about.
Oh and one more thing, he never mentioned anything about the rest of the family and the fact that he wanted them to leave as well.
Smuggled in a phone????? Talk about tampering with a witness???? Talk about duping authorities??????
Talk about COVER UP and G-U-I-L-T-Y!
Joran is slime, Anita knew and Paulus is guilty up to his bald spot!
Atta boy Aruba, get out in front of this thing now………you show the world you mean business this time, just a little late, but this time you mean it. Whew that’s harsh an actual “Persona non grata” statement from Rudy Croes. Ouch!
What’s next, take your beech and go home?
Joran is slime/guilty.
Justice for Natalee.
How about a memorial for Natalee down there?
How about an overhaul to your justice down there?
How about a Natalee tribute from the people of Aruba?
How about you deport the rest of the scum on your island?
How about a simple apology?
OH, GEE — THIS LITTLE SLAP ON THE SOCIOPATH’S WRIST, AND ONLY AFTER SOMEONE ELSE DOES Y-O-U-R FREAKIN’ POLICE WORK AND PROVES TO THE WORLD WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW –
AND — THE — CRIME — IS — STILL — NOT — OFFICIALLY — SOLVED. AND — YOU’RE — STILL — F*CKING — ABOUT.
ARUBA, YOU S*CK. BIGTIME.
WAS AZZHOLE JORAN WORTH YOUR ENTIRE ECONOMY?
HUH?
AMERICANS ARE UNDER N-O OBLIGATION TO SPEND OUR TOURIST DOLLARS AT ‘ONE CRAPPY ISLAND’ — AND WE AREN’T, AND WON’T.
SITCK A FORK IN YOU; YOU’RE DONE.
OH, HOW NICE — A DAINTY LITTLE SLAP ON THE WRIST FOR THE SOCIOPATH.
YOU GUYS STILL DON’T GET IT, DO YOU?
WAS AZZHOLE JORAN WORTH YOUR ENTIRE ECONOMY?
HUH?
WE ARE UNDER A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y N-O
O-B-L-I-G-A-T-I-O-N TO SPEND OUR TOURIST DOLLARS AT ‘ONE CRAPPY ISLAND,’ … AND WE AREN’T, AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE.
AND WHY THE HELL IS AN INDEPENDENT PERSON HAVING TO DO YOUR POLICEWORK FOR YOU? F*CKIN’ PATHETIC …
I HOPE YOU ENJOY LIVING OFF FISH YOU CAN CATCH, AND ‘SELLING SEASHELLS’ BY THE SEASHORE.
WAS JORAN WORTH IT?
Rudy. I’ll make this simple.
1. Van der Straaten doesn’t want to do this to his best friend’s son. He got rid of the confession. Nail this guy.
2. Dennis Jacobs treats both Beth and Dave with an attitude of “Yankee go home” and is probably guilty of destruction of evidence and witness tampering. The original statement by Joran was seen on his desk. Torn. Most likely this is the one that said Natalee had some kind of seizure. Nail this guy.
3. Paulus is involved in covering up his son’s crime. Nail this guy.
4. Joran is guilty of rape and murder/manslaughter. Nail this guy.
Speeches with angry words are insufficient. Let us know when these people are in cells at KIA.
Something to ponder…what kind of “friend” would arrive to find an unconscious American girl and at the punks direction dump her in the ocean by himself – possibly commiting a murder to cover up a rape? And tell the punk to “go home and get some sleep” because he had school the next day? Sounds more like a smarmy parent who happens to be familiar with the Aruban justice system!
Also, I am not familiar with the language, translations, etc. but isn’t there a type of boat referred to as a “Dory”? I wonder if Papa Sloot had access to a Dory?
Viet Vet,
Look at my post on the last article. I have some questions for you.
Jerry
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2040037.ece
‘On Aruba is the key of the Joran-drama’
By PETER DE KNEGT
LATHUM -,, I wish you every success in Aruba. There, on my island, the resolution of the drama surrounding the disappearance of Natalee. There are answers to be found.”
,, That was so incredibly clear to me when I spoke Joran in the car. He betrayed himself and his helper by certain rulings and the way in which he expressed his own name. betrayed himself and his father. Only his dad and mum speak its name as Joran. With an elongated A. Daury differences only two letters with ‘Daddy’. Moreover, the Daury who is now allover in the media is not the Daury that Patrick mentioned to me. The last name was a totally different than Rodriques. ”
For the first time since he was denied access to America, Patrick wants to talk. ,, Angry I am not, I am not an angry person. I will tell you a lifelesson sir. There are two types of apples life: sweet and sour. Unfortunately, there are a lot more sweet than sour apples in the world. I have now by the sour apple should bite him completely eaten. As you learn again. I have never thought that a drugconviction of me 13 years ago would now be following me.”
Sin of the time course. ,, I have a very successful and smoothly operating company in Almelo. All my people have to work very hard.”Probably he quickly returned to his beloved island. To keep things themselves to solve? ,, In any case, we celebrate sir.”
This seems to be the rule of the day, “pass the buck”.
There are a lot of others who know exactly what happen, right Rudy?
I’m not unhappy about the “blackballing” of Paulus, but I think it is hypocritical to say the least.
Jerry
Rudy,
You are creepy.
Buster,
I think Rudy looks more like the character Carl.
Jerry
Ruddy is so upset, because Joran’s actions help show how evident the incompetency of his ministry and his subordinates is. He could care less about anything else.
It’s interesting that, according to that article, some people on ARUBA are talking about extraditing JvdScum to the U.S. Seems that they have as good an opinion of their own “justice” system as we Monkeys do.
I wonder what the possibilities might be for this?
Of course, judging from the tepid reaction of our own government ever since Natalee vanished, crimes against Americans abroad … well, ho-hum.
Other could-have-been body disposal operatives:
• One of the VCB employees… they have boats, Dompig stated that Natalee died of an overdose, his son worked at the security company, he must have heard talks from his son.
• Ben Vocking. Remember the runner reported at the very beginning? Vocking is a marathon runner.
Aww, Rudy is probably only sending secret code to Joran to stay away for now until the heat dies down so they won’t have to do anything with him.
Where is Jaime?
whene in the world someone like a suspect being interegated by police and detectives while his lawyuer tight to his ass??????????
always acompanied by his lawyer for? this is not invastigation this is monkybusiness
Just sounds like lip service, Rudy:
“Hey, America, we really, really don’t like Joran anymore.”
Stop playing games.
Only Justice Will Do!
BOYCOTT ARUBA
Hey, Rudy,
Read #21.
Paulass van der Slut was already in a “world of trouble” due to his own involvement in Natalee’s murder/disappearance, prior to his own son ratting him out in reference to the smuggled cell phone! Kicking the van der Slut family off of Aruba is unacceptable! Putting a damn bullet to their heads would suffice…
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TILL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
I agree that Aruba would love to extradite Joran to the USA. They’ve hidden everything they can, obstructed justice as much as possible and now they just want to be rid of the case. Their thinking is that if they make Joran the USA’s problem, they can get their tourists back.
On one hand that might be good in that our investigators aren’t gonna fool around with Joran. They could most likely break him in a New York minute. But the other side is that Aruba has the evidence and Aruba has the people who know what happened. Give us all that and then maybe we should make a go of it.
#37 That you’re angry at the Aruban government I can understand. However it’s not the whole Island that’s to blame for, only a couple of officials. But The Netherlands have nothing to do with it. Most Dutch want to see Joran hang. But like it’s said before: The Netherlands have no authority in Aruba. They have their own government.
Question for the Legal Eagles out there…..Can what ever country he is now a citizen of (which I am confused whos problem he is) extradite him for arrest here in the US….Is that even a possibility….Can Alabama call for an extradition like we are doing in the case with the man who fled to mexico….or does the crime have to be committed on American Soil for us to call for his arrest??? Anyone know??
Rudy – The blame game continues. First, blame Natalee for disappearing, blame Beth for ruining the island (Rudy’s words – We need to shut that woman up.) Joran said on tape the Arubian polis were stupid idiots (this put the nail in Joran’s coffin.) Now blame Joran which should have been done 2+ years ago. Rudy – blame the incompetency and ineptness of a Justice Minister who allowed a cover up to continue with the hopes that it will all go away. Guess what – IT WON’T!
ARUBA SEEMS TO BE UNDER THE MISGUIDED IMPRESSION THAT AMERICA O-W-E-S THEM ITS TOURIST DOLLARS, AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO ‘FOBBED OFF’ WITH SOME SKETCHY, PATHETIC LITTLE SONG-AND-DANCE ROUTINE.
WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS, ARUBA; DEAD WRONG.
7. Do think that a man who looks like the Lucky Charms elf can grow a testicle? Uh hum
10. If something happened to Joran and Paulus was stll alive, who’d ya think got rid of Joran?
17. When do you suppose Aruba will get all the facts right and stop all this BS. When will Julia apologized?
23. That was a question I had too, why would the guy feel a dire need to dump Natalee at sea?
30. If this EVER happens, do you think we can get a welcome party for Joran, maybe we show Joran our lighthouses and take him to see the sharks?
All is all, I get a feeling that Rudy wants to get the island rid of the Natalee Hollway case and throw it at Americas doorstep. Hey Rudy, you ass you had an opportunty to have the FBI involved and you bootlicking ALE only allowed for the FBI to observe. The heat is coming down and now Rudy is looking for somewhere to throw the hot potato. Why not allow the FBI back on your island to finish the case? You afraid, Rudy of what else will be found in Aruba? Sniveling Coward
i notice there was no mention by croes of the crimes against natalee. the hate and rejection and obstruction of justice her parents have had to endure. only the fact that jvds and his family are hurting the image of their island. only the money they’re losing because of the actions now of the sloot family. the welfare and lives of tourists on the island extend only to the money they might lose when something bad happens. the island’s longterm plan of denying justice to tourists and their families is finally coming home to roost.
dennisintn
But, Joran has not been convicted of anything. He has a clean recrod…… still.
Corruption and coverup by officials on Aruba & the Netherlands.
Is Obstruction of Justice not a crime in Aruba?
Is Obstruction of Justice not a crime in the Netherlands?
Dompig
Van der Straaten
(Voc)King
Rudy Croes
Wit
PVDS(Monster of Montanya The Elder)
Jacobs
They have all committed crimes that are recognized throughout the world.
The Netherlands is supposed to be one of the finest legal systems in the world.
Are you going to prove that now?
Here’s a partial transcript from Joran and Greta Van Susteren. Joran tells Greta that the police hit him (maybe here is a reason why the police hid stuff and covered up for Joran…Daddy could press charges). The later part of the interview seems rather strange.. what is he saying about who brought him home…is he admitting that the “two” lies were the HI story and guards or that the “two” lies included who brought him home? I would appreciate your input. Read this…
VAN SUSTEREN: The interrogation started at what time of day usually?
VAN DER SLOOT: At the beginning. I mean, (INAUDIBLE) the beginning, sometimes they’d interrogate from 8:00 in the morning until 10:00 at night.
VAN SUSTEREN: Under what conditions?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, in a room with a videocamera on you and two interrogators in the room.
VAN SUSTEREN: So they’d turn off the camera, and one hit you when they turned the camera off?
VAN DER SLOOT: They’d — that happened one day, when they’d hit me. And when they went back — when I went back to the actual — back to the jail right away, I had the — of course, I had the doctor look at it. I had everyone there, the social worker look at it, and they all saw that and put up their reports. And when I got back to the actual jail there, everyone’s, like, you know, What happened to you? And you know, that’s something — again, I mean I can understand the police frustration, too, because, you know, we lied to them, and they don’t know what to do next, either. I mean, I can understand that frustration, too, but to go hit someone doesn’t solve anything.
VAN SUSTEREN: How badly were you hit? Where — how were you hit?
VAN DER SLOOT: I was hit — I was just — I was sitting in a chair, and I was hit with an open hand across the head.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any other way that you were mistreated while you were in jail?
VAN DER SLOOT: When I was in jail, no. I mean, the people there — that were there in jail with me were also, you know, great. I mean, they were — you know, I got along with everyone there, and I wasn’t treated badly there. The guards were — always treated me well. I mean, I wasn’t treated there bad in any way, either.
VAN SUSTEREN: Other than the lie about the Holiday Inn and the two guards (INAUDIBLE), did you lie to the police at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: That’s what I said to you about that, that Deepak Kalpoe and Satish dropped me off at my house. That’s (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: So two lies, essentially.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any other lies?
VAN DER SLOOT: Any other lies? No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Know anything else about this?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing about what happened to Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
Update from DeVries (Google Translation)
Courtesy Caesu and Klaasend
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WHAT ABOUT THE FACT
JORANS WITH PARENTS?
A few weeks ago I sat with the parents of Joran van der Sloot in the talk of Pauw & Witteman. They claimed that when Joran opgevoede a good boy, respectful with other girls who had become involved. It also suggested that if they would have evidence that Joran is indeed in the disappearance of Natalee was concerned, they themselves directly to the police would go.
– LIMITS TO NAÏVITEIT —
Jorans mother – who during the disappearance of Natalee stayed in the Netherlands – on that occasion came to me as a sweet, honest woman, who keeps many of her child, but has no idea how it really works. But also naivety are obviously limits, which according to me after watching our broadcast it ought to have been achieved.
Jorans someone whose father is especially Americans believe that he knows more of the whole thing. He was at the time of the disappearance on Aruba and later his son advised that nothing more to say to the police during questioning. He devoted Joran, according to take claims.
Joran denies us in the talks included explicitly that his father has been involved in the disappearance of Natalee. The fact that his helper him to be saying that night aanspoorde ‘to jump to go home because he had to go to school the next’, many see nevertheless an indication that it is possible nonetheless to his father can go.
– BINNENGESMOKKELDE TELEPHONE —
There is, however, another thing to Joran admits Patrick, complete with many details. And that is that Paul van der Sloot father, while he was judge, with his son at his request, a mobile phone in the cell has smuggled when for the first time he was arrested. It is a story that overcomes very authentic and for a judge / attorney course nedopustno doodzonde.
And this more or less in passing by Joran told story can sometimes ensure that the parents of Joran still something else in the whole story to come than they Pauw & Witteman wanted to believe. They have now themselves great interest in everything that Joran has declared as a verzinsel be dismissed, because otherwise ‘hangs’ father also Van der Sloot for entering the phone. In that case, he undoubtedly struck off as a lawyer and is also its reputation on Aruba themselves to the moon. The parents had until recently a fairly respectable position on the island, but as for where it is assumed that Van der Sloot father investigating the disappearance so that Aruba has damaged deliberately sabotaged, there will be nothing left.
– TO THE POLICE —
If the previous statements from the parents Pauw & Witteman considered, you would expect that after the broadcast – which can be seen that he is ten times his involvement known – to their son were toegegaan and had said: Now it’s over. We go to the police and tell you everything that has happened, without your even one second to invoke your right to silence.
This is not the case. Instead, Joran through his lawyer with a statement, that he all under the influence of weed-cigarettes has stated that the series of confessions in a bizarre verzinsel. It could hardly be otherwise, or the parents have to realize that this is a cheap excuse… but also the benefit of father Paul. If everything verzinsel one is the story of the phone is also not true. If everything is true however, it is undoubtedly also from the assumption that the story of the binnengesmokkelde phone also is true, with all the consequences of that for him.
– STORY DOES NOT STAND —
Anyone who thinks of himself a bit soft drugs has ever smoked, should realize that Jorans story of the weed-cigarettes can not keep. Joran during five different car, different days – sometimes more than a week between – made detailed confessions. In each subsequent trip, he repeated that confession, confirmed and extended. Never once has he said that he last time but will be transferred from his neck kletste because he was under the influence. Quite. And ‘coincidence’ fits the bulk of those confessions also is exactly in line with the previous police investigation and responded Joran also a significant number of outstanding questions therein (how he came home, which he did with the shoes, the involvement of the Kalpoe – brothers etc. etc.).
In addition, I must also point out that there are also trips have been where he NOT smoked, or change AFTER there on the case of Natalee was spoken. The images suggest this clearly. So even when he broodnuchter ‘was, he made admissions and / or repeated. Of Joran now wants to claim that he is the morning – if Patrick him around twelve o’clock – he came to collect all ‘stoned’ to his grandmother on the couch Saturday?
– OTHER DELICTEN OPGEBIECHT? —
But even though he was already stoned – which I do not believe – then is whether you then suddenly all sorts of bizarre crimes will admit that while you are innocent? Or like the parents and grandmother of Joran us now to believe that they were going on every day that he is an unsolved murder opbiechtte if he again sigaretje opstak?? Of course not, because they effect a weed cigarette-not at all. Otherwise, the Dutch police stations daily tjokvol sit with people who spontaneously various outstanding offences confess and that is not the case. Jorans story is untenable. It is the only excuse that Joran could think of for his persistent confessions of an explanation. And that is in my view an explanation that his parents now suits because they now own a stake in it…
Peter R. De Vries
Well at least the people of Aruba are expressing their desire for the remaining Sloot’s to leave the island, I don’t think this was initiated by Ruby but by the Aruban people finally speaking up, not singly but by the island…Rudy never had a choice but to relate publicly that none of the Sloot’s are welcome in Aruba…even if legally nothing can be done just the sheer thought of being hated by the island alone would be enough to want to leave…
“It is the only excuse that Joran could think of for his persistent confessions of an explanation.” PRDV
Yes– It’s the only pathetic excuse Joey could think of.
I’m doing some research to prepare handouts for the upcoming protest meetings. Take a look at this passage on pages 46-47 of “Loving Natalee,” which I hope we all know was by Beth Holloway.
As Beth speaks, they have just arrived at the Wyndham Hotel from the PdvScum residence, going to find Joran. They have entered the casino, only to find that Joran is now back home.
(Beth, I hope you don’t mind my taking the passage from your book to post here.)
“Meanwhile … two Wyndham Hotel security guards report that they saw two dark-skinned males and a tall white male with a blond girl out by the beach a few hours ago. Could these be the men who took Natalee? Our group splits, and the men run in two directions to the back of the Wyndham and out to the beach area.”
The men later return without finding Natalee.
It’s possible that the people seen on the beach were others, but how likely is that?
Assuming that the two guards were telling the truth, then this sighting (apparently told to Beth somewhere around 2:30 to 3:00 a.m.) puts ALL THREE of the J2K contingent on the beach with Natalee … unless two other dark-skinned males were the ones in question.
Perhaps more attention should be paid to this?
#46 I’m not going to defend Aruba and their officials, I’m on the same page with you on that. But cover-up and corruption in The Netherlands? Well at least we don’t kill our own president and cover that up or invade countries without any reason.
please sign the online petition to boycott aruba
petitiononline.com/holloway
also ….arubanboycott.blogspot.com
read Into The Deep by Andrew Hodges, MD forensic profiler. Dr. Hodges has decoded emails from deepak. amazing and frightning similarities between deepak’s confessions in emails to american friend just 5 days after natalee went missing, to jorans secretly taped confession. aruban coverup from day one. everyone involved.
52,Now what purpose was your last comment suppose to serve.WE all know our countrys sins,Now we are talking about the sins of Aruba and the Netherlands.Boycott Aruba
you cant come to the beach with me and expect to not get laid. she starting screaming so i covered mouth, i may have suffocated her a bit, and then she started shaking. i dont care if she was dead or not, i wasnt going down for that. so i called a buddy, and we took her really far out and dumped her. no problems. he took me back to the beach, but closer to my home, it wasnt that far of a walk for me. i tossed my shoes because they were soaked. i went to bed, went to school, no problems.
#54 Like said before: What have the Netherlands to do with it? It all happend in Aruba. The Netherlands have no authority in Aruba and can do nothing about this case. So before someone blames an other country of corruption or a coverup he/she better knows the facts and look in the mirror first. That was my point.
this is whole fiasco of joran making fools of everyone and trying to get away with it. when he lies he is telling the truth and when he is telling the truth he lies, that’s the story????
this lower than a snake was probably used to doing anything he wanted because of his father’s pull and getting away with it.
on scared monkeys is the only place is saw the picture of natelee and paulus sitting side by side at the casino. does this mean that paulus interacted with her and observed her before joran made his play for her. he probably thought she was just some little girl from the usa and he could do what he wanted (had he done this before?) and not much fuss would be made about it. little did he know!!!!
the whole world is watching what holland and aruba do with this case. there are many people involved in this coverup from the court to the police to the perpetrators and all should be held accountable!!!!!
shame on this corruption.
Just read an article in Amigoe…Patrick was arrested when he got off the plane at JKF in New York and immediately put back on a plane to the Netherlands….I hadn’t heard that before…or even if it’s true…it said that because Patrick was arrested 13 yrs ago and he gave Joran marijuana he wasn’t allowed in the US…if that is true we know who was behind that, Taco Joe…Patrick was going to tour with Peter to the TV stations….
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SM: He wasn’t arrested he just wasn’t allowed entrance into the United States because of his 13yr old conviction in the NL. (klaasend)
Who would show such loyalty to help Joran dispose of the body all by themselves. No one in their right mind would do this. Joran even said he would take the name to his grave. My guess is only a PARENT would dispose of the body and be loyal to Joran by not uttering one word except NO BODY NO CRIME. Isn’t that what the dad kept telling the son. Guess the apple does not fall far from the tree and now we are hearing about other things the father did. sick sick family. Now that they have been handed his head on a silver plater what the hell is Aruba Authoritys going to do about it!!!!!!!!!
I have suspected all along that the Aruba police covered Natalee’s murder up thinking that it would all go away and they could get back to their happy island. Now they can not reveal that they covered it up with Paulis and Joran as they will go down too. Joran knows he has them in the palm of his hand, that is why he has always been so cocky. If the dutch people care about the future of the economy of Aruba, they need to come in with a full investigation of the police department and bring down ALL the guilty parties including government officials who aided in the cover up. I hope they all are losing sleep and well being as the tangled web of lies is coming undone. What a tangled web we weave when we practice to decieve!
“The programme has caused uproar in the Netherlands and Van der Sloot has been given police protection as angry mobs have tried to find out where he is.”
[Source: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/080209-holloway-sloot
Too bad the angry mobs in Aruba were chasing after the victim’s mother. Aruba and it’s Julia Renfro’s brought this upon themselves. One only has to look at the photo of Aruba spokesman Steve Cohen backslapping Joran and Paulus at their release from KIA prison to see just how stupidly Aruba has handled this. (Apart from the corruption and intentionally bungled investigation.)
AND WHY IS THE NETHERLANDS HARBORING AND CODDLING THIS SELF-CONFESSED SOCIOPATH???
#52- Carl…While I understand you are entering posts to the blog using reasoning that Joran probably used- do you have to be so graphic about it? We all have a right to post whatever words and opinions we want on here…it just still upsets me when people make graphic references to a deceased and innocent young lady.
Being a Mother anyway, a lot of this stuff on here is hard to read and tough to swallow. I am guilty as hell though for getting my rants and anger out in words regarding Joran and everyone else involved myself. Have to admit I have posted some very unkind words.
It is just so difficult when people get so graphic & violent on here with the sexual acts, etc. and horrible names that Natalee was referred to. And, altough I have always admired Nancy Grace—she completely turned me off when the other night on her show she had to keep asking BETH, on air LIVE how it felt to hear her daughter called a B**ch and and Wh**re NOT ONCE, three times! That was just for a ratings grab and it was DISGUSTING. Nancy Grace- I do not care what the producers of your show tell you to sensationalize and put in your scripts…..you are now a MOTHER YOURSELF…that was completely OVERKILL and unneccesary to ask another Mother about their own child any more than once. And repeated to Dave Holloway as well. Shame on her and shame on the American Media and FOX especially for giving this story this kind of exposure if it is not going to be handled in the a proper way. COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL and disgusting Fox would stoop that low !!
Sorry- it was poster # 55, not 52. Apology also if I over embellished in my post, but the first sentence in #55′s post made me very uncomfortable to read as a woman and Mother. Also, when you can’t even spell and your sentences are beginning to not be congruent or make grammatical sense…time to take a break and get off of this board. And move on to something else? I’m sorry, I cannot forget you and your family, Natalee and what you have all been through. I have cried tears for you as a Mother, Natalee on my pillow that someone made you suffer like that.
I am so, so sorry.
Thank you but time for a big break if I can even pull myself away, I really must.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Someone here asked about a dory….a dory is a small, shallow draft boat used for fishing. Maybe that’s how Joran came up with the name, only thinking it was suppose to be a person, in Dutch it would be spelled Daury…that is a good idea that someone brought up….
#18 SkyyBox… yes, they should be getting a warrant for Paulus’s arrest… !!!
I would like to apologize to Patrick Van der Eem
for our country not allowing him in!
He and Peter Devries did in just days, what some
have been trying almost a full three years to do.
Patrick allowed that little sadistic, raping, murdering,lying dung beetle, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot to admit that he is the SOLE reason Natalee Ann Holloway is not with us today.
Patrick is a hero.
If Joran was shot today, I’d find it to be roughly one
thousand days too late.
RV PERSISTENCE NEEDS TO KEEP CONCENTRATING ON FINDING OUR NATALEE. THEY WILL IN DUE TIME, THEY ARE ALL HEROES AS WELL. -j4n
FYI, Nancy Grace is on CNN here in the USA.
Greta is on Fox.
Special Notice:
The dedicated ocean search for Natalee Holloway has been underway since mid-November, 2007. What began in Louisiana during mobilization now culminating in Aruba, the search has utilized some of the best search equipment and personnel in the world. To date, approximately 900 miles of sonar data has been collected covering a geographic area 80% the size of Aruba. The search has required a painstakingly slow approach which in the end leaves no stone unturned.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
This is the Minister of Justice on Aruba, who’s seen and heard Joran on this tape ADMITTING he was at the least (yeah right) present when Natalee DIED, ADMITTING that it was HE who arranged to have Natalee’s body disposed of when he didn’t even know if she was dead or not. Thus engineering a consiracy to hide his actions that he didn’t want the police to know about.
And the best this minister of justice, Rudy Croes can do is to go out & announce that Joran is “persona non grata on Aruba”?? Wow……hope ya didn’t strain yourself to much Rudy. If you think that pathetic lil show of disdain is going to let Aruba off the hook you are even more of a laughable minstrel of justice than i thought you were.
All of this trouble from Holland and Aruba, and to look at the way they treat muslims makes me think they are more like a nazi people than anyone. I wonder if those in the Iranian military and government are aware of just how poorly their people are treated and portrayed in Holland and Aruba. It might be a good Idea to let some of he Islamic websites know about how evil Holland and Aruba are and how anti-Muslim the dutch and aruban infidels are. Maybe then Iran will take some action on the Dutch and Arubans. It would be very fitting to see the dutch cooking in ovens provided by the great Iranian empire. Hell yeah, Machmud.
I think this hatred toward Holland the the Netherlands is unfair. Are you forgetting who got Joran’s confession in the end?
Could the Netherlands have done more, earlier? Probably, but not sure.
Why don’t we leave nationalities and countries out of it and concentrate on the van der Sloot family whom we know are in this crime up to their eyeballs.
Brie, it was #24. I was thinking the same thing. dory is a small boat, so joran just picked that for a name. In truth, he was using boat or dory so that he wouldn’t have to name his true helper.
I think Paulus is the perp. Given what little we have of his timeline, he was up and about and helped Joran dispose of Natalee. How else would he be so confident of ‘no body, no crime’? Because Paulus saw to it himself that there would be no body.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
67 Carpe: I am rather surprised that the US didn’t allow Patrick to come into the country. His crime was 13 years ago. Sounds ridiculous. How many people do get in who have more raps than Patrick? It makes me wonder whose side the goverment is on. Patrick came to help with Natalee’s case.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
There is a fishing inlet and swamp in Maryland called Apes Hole. It has been called that for decades. It stinks really bad. It’s time for Aruba to get a new name. It stinks really bad. Take your next vacation at Apes Hole. I dare ya.
boycott aruba forever.
molly in houston
Betsy: Were you talking about Van Der Sloot or Tacopina. I would love to have someone check into his character and how he has misled the media. Also who was responsible for maintaining records on Joran’s defense account. I believe it was set up in the US. No one has ever approached that subject; while Beth and Dave’s have come under scrutiny by the Arubans and Dutch.
By the way the NY bar has not bought into that Model Program.
Patrick,
Just come to Mexico and you will be welcome here
if you come across the border!!!!
#68- Troubles Mom…yes, thanks for the distinction. I’m aware of that they are on different networks, sorry for error. It’s all the same anyway, both Nancy Grace & Greta Van Susteren are ALL ABOUT those Nielsen ratings. They both had so much coverage about Anna Nicole Smith and Britney Spears or Paris Hilton nonsense and sometimes I believe they are just doing NOTHING to help women to empower themselves. If I want to read or hear off-color comments and BS like that about meaningless topics, I just read a little dose of it on my way out of the check-out at the grocery store., ie., NAT’L ENQUIRER or STAR. Give me a break!
I cannot believe the U.S. sent Patrick back to Holland because of a 13 year old conviction when we have illegal drug dealers crossing the borders from Mexico. Welcome to the United (it don’t make sense) of America.–Joe Taco had something to do with this I bet!!!!
$68- and to further pontificate- my role models as women would be people like:
Beth Holloway- What a good Mother is. Classy, eloquent, respectful, unbelieveably rock-solid strong lady who I have always admired and respected. There is no way in hell I could have gone through the ordeal she has lived through the past (almost) 3 years and have handled myself or my emotions as well as she has under the circumstances.
Hmnnnnn…just a few other REALLY great women in a long list of many….How about….Abagail Adams, Elizabeth Blackwell, Oprah Winfrey, Maya Angelou, Susan Sarandon, Mariane Pearl, Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, Susan B. Anthony, Harriet Tubman, Helen Keller, Maria Cadilla De Martinez, Anne Hutchinson, Mary Katherine Goddard, Mary Kies…shall I continue? The list just goes on and on.
Sure, call me a feminist–not a Nazi-Fem though, I just truly respect a true female in all of her wonderful attributes. I believe in the goodness of all people. And, as a woman and Mother, I truly believe we are the nuturers and care givers on this planet, period. Not that males are not nuturing and don’t provide caregiving…of course they do! But I believe that is the most important thing women do (in addition to everything else!) Men are so underrated as well……I love and respect ALL good men!
As far as complete failures in our society like Joran VDS, Papa & Anita VDS and corrupt authoritative legal or judicial figures in office (in any country) go…HHmmfp ! They do not even deserve words to justify their existence. Poor excuses for human beings, the whole bunch of them.
Aruba you have mud in your eye and blood on your hands but don’t worry it always comes out in the wash and laundry day is drawing near.
Do you not understand that this started on your happy little island and it has to finish there also? You cannot simply banish the Sloots and be done with it. It’s not that easy.
Bring Joran and all those associated with Natalee’s disappearance and charge them with obstructing justice, interrogate them, water board them if you have to and tell them that they are all going to sit there and rot until the full and final truth comes out.
This is not over yet, and in the end the resolve will be on that island. Why allow your unhappy, tourist deprived island to continue on this path and at Joran’s mercy? How much have you lost and how much more are you willing to lose?????
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!
Some Lawyers come out smelling like a Rose… Joe just comes out smelling like Taco…one with greasy ground beef, stale lettuce and moldy cheese.
Sorry, the Netherlands is also responsible.
The Nazi Queen Bea appointed Governor Refunjol.
He is the head of the Government in Aruba.
Why has either he or She not demanded action?
Back to The Monsters of Montanya of the Ditch.
If you read the Polis statement by the Monster of Montanya the Elder, he was cognizant when BHT arrived that the Holiday Inn only had one functioning camera. It was located in the lobby. Not where later it was claimed NH was dropped off.
The Monster of Montanya of the Ditch the Elder is the one that came up with this alibi/lie.
Is it a crime in the Netherlands for one of your lawyers to commit the crime of Obstruction of Justice?
Evidence was sent to the Netherlands. What happened to it?
The incriminating evidence was disposed of by Aruba, and the Netherlands did nothing in protest? I do not buy that.
This goes higher than One Nightmare Eiland.
We have boycotted Aruba for years now. What has it got us? Nothing.
That is because Aruba is not dependent on tourism. That is the story for the sheeple. Aruba’s income is from drugs and money laundering. And some of those Florins must trickle back to the Queen Nazi Bea herself.
Protest Aruba all you want. I am in favor of that. But it will not get us justice for Nat. It has not yet.
By holding those accountable in the Netherlands is the only method of resolution. They have the true power. And if they do not resolve this matter, then they are even more guilty than those in Aruba.
Hold the Queen Bea accountable – then see what fruit will fall from the tree.
Boycott the Netherlands.
#52
Yeah, yeah ..we all know what Europe thinks about Iraq..well buddy wait till Al Queda plants a few bombs on your dykes and see how you feel then..you Europeans are scared spitless of them because soon your countries will be overrun.
TO PATRICK: I don’t know why a 13 year old drug conviction and clean record since would keep someone out of the U.S. Our government should be so concerned about drugs and drug dealers coming across our southern border every day.
Regardless, we can still thank you for what you’ve done. You’re one of the heroes in this sad story. Best of luck to you and God bless.
#67 Sorry Patrick that you could not come here with Mr. DeVries. Thank you for all you did and the risk you took and for the time you had to spend with that creep..from my point of view you earned every cent and more.
My God… I can’t believe my ears?
How much money is spent, every year to
keep drugs and illegals from crossing
our border?
.
But… Concerning the Article:
One can only guess why the Minister of Justice
Doesn’t want Joran back in Aruba…
perhaps he’s afraid Joran would talk.
There’s plenty more to that fabricated story,
in my opinion.
Question Is:
So who cares enough about the brutal death
of a teenager on vacation….
who is never found because of a cover-up
executed by the People of Aruba, their Police
and Members of the Parliament, themselves?
The Netherlands?
Fat Chance!
The Netherlands has the worst reputuation for
Human Trafficking and Crimes against Women
and Children in all of Europe. Besides, if they
did have a trial and he was found guilty,
he MIGHT get six years… Maybe.
Extradition to the U.S. sounds like the winning
ticket… afterall, she was one of our own.
.
Justice for Natalee
Dirty Hand = Fredis J. Refunjol
Arawak King = Nelson Oduber
Babylon = Netherlands
Shango – “Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.
The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.
Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.
If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.
Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.
He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder.”
I imagine Oduber is less vunerable because he has support from the locals(payoffs, money, drugs, our guy won etc). Refunjol is the Babylon intruder. He is the highest in the land. But he is not Arawak. He is Dutchy. He walks in all houses. He has that power. He knows what happened.
Refunjol and the Netherlands are the missing piece to cracking this puzzle.
If he falls – the fruit will fall from the tree.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
P.S.
What kind of Island allows their Minister of
Justice to become a Minister of Injustice.
If anyone knows the reason for and the method
that went into the cover-up and the disposal
of the body… it’s him.
EVERYONE involved in the cover up
worked UNDER him. Believe me…
Nothing went down with out his knowledge.
Betsy (#11), in re your disbarment post:
“Generally disbarment is imposed as a sanction for conduct indicating that an attorney is not fit to practice law … or engaging in fraud which impedes the administration of justice.”
Can anyone think of an attorney on Aruba who qualifies for such a proceeding? Let’s see … destroying evidence (taking down his son’s Web site when he was arrested, a site used by the other “Pimps” as well as he), lying (he picked his son up at the McDonald’s at 4 a.m. … oops, sorry, I meant to say 11 p.m.), etc., etc., etc.
If the shoe fits …
By the way, does anyone think that the minister of justice, in that scrubby little beard, is trying to look like a modern-day Abe Lincoln?
I ask this simply because if this IS the case, it is the pygmy trying to emulate the giant.
To me, as I said before, he looks like one of those flying monkeys who serve the Wicked Witch of the West in “The Wizard of Oz.”
But since that was Natalee’s favorite movie, I hesitate to make the analogy.
Hi Richard:
Remember, the disbarred explanation refers to US laws and we all know its dick slap bubble gum land in Aruba and anything goes. I doubt their criteria meets anywhere near the US standards for law, unfortunately.
Kayjay: we in europe have been hit by terror long before 9/11
In fact the IRA was allowed to raise funds in this periode in the US
Guess terror only became important after the US got hit
Patti, I am quite sure that there is more to that story that Joran told while riding with Patrick. Just as Joran left out a key name in the disposal of Natalee, I believe that he also left out key and awful things that were done to Natalee. Eventhough, Joran felt that Patrick was his friend, he didn’t want to alienate him by telling the whole, awful truth.
boycott aruba (apes hole)
molly in houston
Lisa in Maryland: Have you ever been to Crisfield, Maryland, on the Chesapeake Bay?
Apes Hole is there, a real place.
boycott aruba (apes hole)
molly in houston
All energy should be focused on Dirty Hand Refunjol.
When he falls we will have Nat.
Me thinks that the drug profits/laundering reaches all the way to Holland. This is why the “… walls of Babylon will shake” if it is uncovered.
#83 Saoirse. and #87 Pattie…excellent postings. You are right Aruba does not care about justice for natalee and her family. just want news media to die down so tourism will pick back up. fat chance . agree Netherlands and Queen should beheld responsible for appointing these clown/bimbos.
write to:
Her Majesty Queen Beatrix, Kabinet van de Koningin, 76 Paleis Den Haag, Den Haag, Nederland
or
Ambassador Boudewijn Johannes van Eenennaam, Netherlands Embassy, Washington, DC, 4200 Linnean Avenue NW Washington, DC 20008
or
go through your local senators or representatives.
Kaye, I think it is worse than that. I think they are aware of what transpires on One Nightmare Eiland. How can they not be?
All they would have to do is read this:
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript114_full.html
Or check their Swiss Bank account balances.
Rufenjol must fall. Then all fall.
Aruba Dependency Status: part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands; full autonomy in internal affairs obtained in 1986 upon separation from the Netherlands Antilles; Dutch Government responsible for defense and foreign affairs. – CIA World Fact Book
So, Nat being a citizen of the United States would make this a foreign affair, thus this lands in the Netherlands responsibility.
Rufenjol must fall.
Boycott the Netherlands.
Correction:
Refunjol was born on Aruba.
Shango – “DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon….”
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall.
# Saoirse
its a domestic Aruban affair (happened in Aruba, doesn’t make a difference to whom it happened)
btw. the name of the ambasador in WDC is funny:
Ambassador Boudewijn Johannes van Eenennaam
translated B.J. of 1 and a name
btw. don’t write to the Queen, don’t think she will read it anyway (or receives it), write to Dutch pm and/or foreign dep.
Am I the only one who thinks that Rudy Croes and Steve Croes look like they are related? I know Croes is a popular name in Aruba, but I think the resemblence is uncanny.
Corruption is in Power on Aruba. Rudy Croes, Minister of injustice & corruption and his family receive more than one million guilders each year in rent from buildings which they own, which he as minister of class justice pays to himself as a private person!!!
Rudy Croes is completely different from others corrupt man: the gentleman claims to let people cut off his arms if he would touch corruption! And the people say that how many times must they then cut off his arms, because every time Rudy Croes is mixed up in corruption; and he does not have enough arms to cut off every time. (Rudygate)
Carlos Severino Tromp
Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Orlando Oduber vs. Her Majesty Marisol Lopez Tromp, queen of corruption and brooding hen of the political party MEP; the woman who lets Nel Oduber shiver when Nelson Oduber tries to account Her Majesty to stop a little bit with corruption & corruption!
And she said: you too Ali Baba, when you shall stop?
Carlos Severino Tromp