Beth Holloway on the Nance Grace Show (2/8/08) … Beth Holloway … Jorans worst Nightmare: “the “F-ing” mother would never shut up”


Joran Van der Sloot, are you feeling the heat? Beth Holloway is your worst nightmare and on your tail.

Why does Joran Van der Sloot continue to act in such a smug, rotten, nasty  Beth twitty 1and contemptuous way when he makes references to Natalee Holloway, calling her a bitch and a whore? Its obvious from the beginning of this case that Joran Van der Sloot had an issue with authority and particularly with female authority. From the outset of this case his story never sounded believable … it more appeared to be he reacted to Natalee Holloway telling him, “NO!” 

For the first time in Joran Van der Sloot’s life he was confronted by a strong woman, who would not take no for an answer and would not go away. That woman … Beth Holloway.

But the biggest — and he also said the biggest problem is he had no idea of the magnitude — he had no idea that, you know, the “F-ing” mother would never shut up and would never — would have brought this so global. They had no idea what they were stepping into, Nancy, they were stepping into — no idea.

It`s just despicable what he has done. It`s a sad form of a human existence, if you ask me, Joran is. (Beth Hollway)

The following are some excepts from the Nancy Grace show on February 8, 2008. The full Nancy Grace transcript can be found HERE. Its a must watch and read as this was one of Nancy Grace’s better shows.

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth Holloway, is with us. And in his attempt to explain away his secretly taped confession, prime suspect Joran Van Der Sloot says he was high on pot. Van Der Sloot just released from hours of questioning by Dutch police.


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S FATHER: I`d be surprised if he told Dave holloway signthe truth this time. I think his pattern is the same pattern, try and lie and get his way out of it. He`s tried to avoid this justice system for a long time, and you know, I`m afraid it`s going come back and haunt him some day. I just hope that he comes clean. He`s got an account to settle, and I hope he settles it on this earth this time. If he doesn`t, you know, God bless him.


GRACE: Back to Tracy Sabo, CNN senior producer. abut Tracy, that doesn`t even make any sense because what we saw on video — and we`re about to show you more of that secretly video audio tape of Joran Van Der Sloot confessing to being with Natalee the night she died — this wasn`t all in one night, everybody. This was taken over months and months, weeks of driving around, yes, smoking pot. And he stuck with the same story for weeks on end. He mentioned being there on the beach when Natalee went into convulsions 10 separate times, Tracy Sabo. It`s not as if he got high and drunk on one occasion and came up with a fabrication. This was something, a story he maintained over months.

From the Peter R. De Vries video tape:

VAN DER SLOOT: Natalee. Come take a jelly shot off me. So the whore jumped on the bar, and she wanted me to take a jelly shot out of her navel. I did it. Then she says, So now you have to buy me a drink. So I said, What do you want? She says, What`s good? I say, A shot of Bacardi 151. She says, OK, that`s fine.


So she takes a shot of Bacardi 151. She takes it, and right away she goes, Whoo, bam — 151 proof, you know, 151 proof, that is. That`s 75 percent alcohol. So she asks for a chaser. She`s drunk, really drunk. What I was thinking, I`ll just take the girl with me. We`ll go (DELETED). So I say, What do you want to do?? You want to go to your hotel? I`ll just go with her to her hotel. That`s the best thing to do. She says, No, no, no, I don`t want to go to my own hotel.

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course! I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the (Bitch). I was, like, What`s wrong with you, man? I almost wanted to cry. What (DELETED) happening?

I said to him, This is impossible. He took the boat. He went far out, and he threw her over the side. Then he came back and he docked his boat there. And he came by my house for a bit.

GRACE: It`s all good. It`s all good. That`s what Van Der Sloot has to say. That`s video from ABC`s “20/20″ of Van Der Sloot, emotionless, and he is describing what happened the night Natalee went missing.
With me here on the set is a lady that has been an inspiration to thousands of people. Not only has she never given up in the search for justice for her daughter, Natalee Holloway, but she is now a child`s victims` rights advocate. With me tonight, Beth Holloway. This is Natalee`s mother. We are taking your calls live. Beth, thank you for being with us.
HOLLOWAY: There are, but now that we`ve been able to hear these stunning admissions from Joran, we`ve been able to go back now and we can corroborate with some of the things that he`s admitting to Patrick, the informant in the car. We can bring it full circle and we can go back to the very beginning because it`s absolutely amazing some of the things that Joran is saying and admitting, even the condition that Natalee was in as he`s watching her suffer.
I mean, it`s stunning that 48 hours into Natalee`s disappearance, I was asked by an Aruban detective if Natalee has a history of seizures or epilepsy. And when — and when I`m hearing Joran say that it looked like Natalee was having a seizure, and then he even — what makes me sick and I want to come through the screen and kill him, when he imitates her, he imitates her as she`s suffering. And that`s in a video clip with Patrick.
GRACE: You mean he mocked her, he imitated her having seizures?
HOLLOWAY: Yes. Yes. So he not only verbalizes it, he imitates it visually. So yes, there was — yes, there were some clips that I saw in the Netherlands perhaps that may not have been on “20/20.” There was a lot.
GRACE: Yes, I mean, they drove around for days and days and days.
GRACE: And what we saw were portions of all these days put together when he was talking about Natalee`s death.
HOLLOWAY: Right. And I`m so glad you brought that out when you began your show, is that this was not one incident where Joran gave this admission to Patrick, as you said. This was repeatedly over time, these same specific details. So you reiterated that. You make it clear that this was not just a one-time admission from Joran.
GRACE: So what you just pointed out is very important. At the very, very beginning, police asked you, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures?
GRACE: And you didn`t know why they were asking. Do you now, in retrospect, believe that Joran Van Der Sloot told police that at the beginning?
HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, when you look at the facts, it`s pretty stunning that — and when you have an investigator who asks you that question within the first 48 hours, when we go back, there were no other medical questions. I mean, he didn`t say, Does Natalee have diabetes, or Does Natalee have, you know, other medical issues.
GRACE: You know, that`s a really good point, Keren in Nevada, because many people believe that Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession on videotape completely exonerates the Kalpoe brothers. But she`s right, they did lie and say they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.
HOLLOWAY: Well, several things come to mind when I think about that. And one, we have to go back to — that Satish Joran were in Carlos and Charlie`s with Natalee, so we know that Joran was – you know, that these individuals were in charge of Natalee`s drinks. They bought Natalee`s drinks. They paid for Natalee`s drinks. So we can`t help but wonder if the drug, the GHB, perhaps was given to her by one of them at that moment.
And secondly, Joran during his conversations with Patrick — I think this kind of sums it up. They — when Joran got together with Deepak and (INAUDIBLE) reached out to him to help him to establish that Holiday Inn drop-off, he even states that there was one thing that Joran was mad about was he had no idea — and he used some very explicit terms to describe Natalee, the “F” and “B” word and all that…
GRACE: … called her a (DELETED) and a whore.
BETH: But the biggest — and he also said the biggest problem is he had no idea of the magnitude — he had no idea that, you know, the “F-ing” mother would never shut up and would never — would have brought this so global. They had no idea what they were stepping into, Nancy, they were stepping into — no idea.

DAVE HOLLOWAY: When you go into a panic, which he said he did, the first thing you think of is call an ambulance. And with him choosing the alternative of getting rid of her, something else happened. I believe it was a possible date rape drug he used and a possible rape and murder.….

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO“: Well, over here Jossy 1we find that he is guilty. Most of the people we`ve consulted, most of the people that have called us and have a reaction find that he was very articulate, that he didn`t seem to be under any kind of drug influence, that he was talking freely, that he collected his thoughts, so much so that he could describe in detail what happened when he was with Natalee and Natalee died in his arms, and that he called a friend and threw her in the ocean. The people of Aruba now are very, very irritated with this character, so much so that the minister of justice today declared him persona non grata in Aruba.

GRACE: Persona non grata in Aruba. With me, Natalee`s mother, Beth, is with us. Natalee had no history of epilepsy whatsoever, but you mentioned the possibility of GHB, Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate, date rape drug. Why?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I`m not really sure of what all it can cause, but when I think about that, if a young woman has no medical history of any significance, nothing, there is nothing marked in Natalee`s history of any medical issues — why would she all of a sudden go into convulsions or seizures? And I felt as if it had to have been attributed to a date rape drug.

GRACE: So you actually believe she had convulsions? You actually believe Joran Van Der Sloot on that?

HOLLOWAY: The only reason why, go back to the very beginning, why were we asked that question within 48 hours of her disappearance?


GRACE: Welcome back. With me tonight live, Natalee`s mom, Beth Holloway. We are taking your calls live. Beth, I know the Dutch version of Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession was much more in depth. Is it true — because I haven`t seen it – that he said he was afraid for her body to be found because his semen would be on and about her body?

HOLLOWAY: Yes. Yes. He does disclose that to Patrick.

GRACE: You`re positive?



GRACE: When you saw this and you heard him refer to her as a bitch and a whore, what was your response?

HOLLOWAY: God! I mean, Nancy, it`s just — when I hear Joran talking about her like that — my gosh, he just — you know, first you want to come through the TV I want to kill him, I mean, and peel his skin off his face. And I think of the utter disregard he had for Natalee. And look what he`s done to his friends. Look what he`s done to a country. Look what he`s done to everyone.

And when I hear Jossy Mansur speaking, I`m thinking, God, look at the hell he`s dragged us all through. Look at the hell he`s dragged from Jossy through to all of us. I mean, he has just totally, totally dragged us all through hell with him, this Joran Van Der Sloot. It`s just despicable what he has done. It`s a sad form of a human existence, if you ask me, Joran is.

HOLLOWAY: Absolutely. And there are two Daurys that have been discussed and I don`t think that one of them has been ruled out. So — and that is something else that has been surfacing as to, you know, as Joran gives this statement, he also says this name he will take to his grave. Well, he`s not in his grave, Nancy. So he says he`s going to take it to his grave? Well, I`m not so sure if you`re going to be disclosing a name if you`re going to take it to your grave so.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF “KILLING FOR SPORT”: I`m in total agreement with you that this convulsion did not happen. I believe that Joran is always making Natalee the bad person. He`s always the victim. My guess is he`s angry at her because he didn`t get the sex he wanted. He forced it on her, he smothered her or he strangled her. He knew he did wrong. He couldn`t make the phone call to daddy and say, hey I need help, this girl`s passed out on the beach. He knew he couldn`t call anybody because he killed her.

And I also would look at the possibility that he`s saying enough, he`s saying what he wants to in the sense of saying that he was with her, had sex, and, yes, something happened to her, but he may be lying about everything else to cover up where she is. I would say if he`s worried about semen, maybe she is buried on land. Hey, I got an e-mail that said she was buried under the gardener`s shack at daddy`s house. I would like to know how the police checked every single thing possible on that land or any place else she could have been buried.

Because if she`s found someplace where Joran or his father had anything to do with, I`d say that would be good information.

HOLLOWAY: I would have to say if I knew the day that I got that call that Natalee was not gathering in the Holiday Inn lobby to depart for the airport, if I had known what was ahead of me, Nancy, God, I don`t know if I could have – I don`t know if I could have fought as hard. Had no idea.

You know, Nancy, I just thought I was going to fly to Aruba and I was going get her and bring her home, you know, we were just go there and find her had, you know? I had no idea what was before me. And it`s a good thing because, golly, I think back and I think, God, I don`t know if I – you know, it`s so insurmountable anyway to think about when that much of a journey is ahead of you.

Yes, it`s a good thing I didn`t know what was ahead, because I just don`t know if I could have fought as hard, Nancy. God, because I had no idea it would be — I know two and a half years later and from an investigative standpoint, I understand, sometimes it can take years, 10 years, and sometimes they`re not resolved. But to a mom and to a parent and when it happens, you want answers now and you want them today.


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  • Beth Holloway Twitty on Nancy Grace; “I certainly didn`t know they were cowards.”
  • Daily Commentary – Monday, September 20th, 2010 – Nancy Grace on the Holloway Case

  • Comments

    54 Responses to “Beth Holloway on the Nance Grace Show (2/8/08) … Beth Holloway … Jorans worst Nightmare: “the “F-ing” mother would never shut up””

    1. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 9th, 2008 1:49 pm




    2. buster on February 9th, 2008 1:58 pm

      The plan would of worked if urin would of kept his mouth shut, I guess once the urin starts to flow it’s hard to stop

    3. Crimson on February 9th, 2008 1:59 pm

      Posted this in another articles comments, but didn’t want anyone to miss it, so posting here too.

      Katablog, I accepted the challenge, you issued the other day, of donating $10 to Texas Equusearch.

      All of us Monkeys here have devoted lots of time following this case, and for most, a part of our heart is dedicated to Natalee and her family. So what is $10 (or what you can afford) to us, when it could assist in complete closure for the Holloway family. I am in no way patting myself on the back when I say I was able to donate $10 when my sole income is from a disability check, I am just saying, if I can do it, so can you. Accept Katablog’s challenge!

      In attempts to get the message out further, I posted a link to the Persistence Blog on Digg.
      I urge everyone that comes to Scared Monkeys to log into the Digg site and click digg for the article. The more clicks it gets, the more attention it gets, and hopefully will end up on the Digg front page.

    4. JusticeforNatalee on February 9th, 2008 2:12 pm

      That’s right, Joran.

      Beth will NEVER shut up and neither will we supporters.


      Hey, Aruba, stop blowing smoke, and cage this monster who killed Natalee.

    5. Maggie on February 9th, 2008 2:15 pm

      Watched a dr. last night, and she said this is more along the lines of smothering or choking that this occurs. She said he always sees himself as the victim. Still they want us to believe she was sober when it helps his story and drunk when it helps it. Dave don’t buy she just up and died nor does Beth nor do I.. More like she said no..
      Can’t let her go home like that afterwards. Perhaps to said she was going to tell. Oh we done this 20 times before and nothing bad happened. Wasn’t Natalee who said that..

      I know Beth said when she was watching that she just wanted to go through the screen and kill him, especially when he was shaking imitating her daughter. Wouldn’t you love to see all the things he has done, thats been hidden before.He’s just a sporter, three thick kisses, no drugs,no gambling, no alcohol,straight A student. Thank God, Beth, Jug and Dave never backed down and kept this story out there even when they felt like crawling in bed and never getting up again. Beth has been Joran’s worst nightmare come true. Wonder why he’s never taken her up on her offer? She wanted to meet him with a polygraph test.

      It’s just as bad hearing the Prime Minister whining about what this has done to his country and he wants it to end.. Or Rudy Croes saying he didn’t rule out shutting the mother up. The Van DerSloots and the Kalpoes,, and the people who covered it up brought this to your country, not parents who lost their daughter. Da Nile isn’t just a river Mr. Oduber. One time they even put out a list of what they spent to accomodate the parents while they stayed. Who does that in a police investigation? Who was looking through the dump for their daughter, the waters, the sands, the crackhouses and paying out money for leads? The whole thing is a sham. Why was Dennis Jacobs asking Dave Holloway right off when he arrived in Aruba,, how much money he had?

      Helen Lejuez was on Greta last night. I remember it being said in Dave’s book, that she said Van Der Straten has been involved in a cover up on the island before. Daury is just a name thrown out. Joran said he would take the name to his grave, it wasn’t Daury. Daury was just a fast name to throw out. Paulus knows. Joran didn’t walk anywhere 2 miles that night the dark anymore than Natalee said oh I want to sit on a beach 3 am alone and look at stars,because you have no condom.

    6. Crimson on February 9th, 2008 2:16 pm

      Forgot to include the donation link in my message here

    7. Carol Armstrong on February 9th, 2008 2:20 pm


      There needs to be a website for people to log in to for donations. One that will take credit cards or Paypal. Can you set this up? Or if it already exists, could you provide the link? I know Vicki has a website for general donations, but I think one for the search specifically would be useful.

      A lot of people would donate. Could you get a link on SM website to do this?

    8. evilive on February 9th, 2008 2:23 pm

      Why are we no further today then we where then…

    9. Aruba Dutch Lies on February 9th, 2008 2:25 pm

      Go Beth Go! We are behind you.We will boycott the balls off aruba1

    10. Maggie on February 9th, 2008 2:25 pm

      The mother won’t shut up.. At least she’s had the same message all along, I want my daughter back.. This idiot never shuts up and continues to show everyone the sociopath he is. I hope he keeps talking.

    11. Crimson on February 9th, 2008 2:27 pm

      Carol, the link I posted above your comment has a link to where you can donate (it goes througn Network for Good). They do accept PayPal (charged a slight fee for PP though), credt cards are accepted and there is also an address if anyone wants to send a check or money order.

      Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team
      P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, TX 77539

      Just be sure to note it as a donation for the Natalee Holloway search.

    12. nurturer on February 9th, 2008 2:40 pm

      Aruban LE flew to speak to Joran to get him to confess, or to remind him to shut up?

      I don’t buy for a second that the Kalpoes weren’t there. I do believe Natalee choked, but she did so in the back of Deepak’s Honda.

      Aside, I think the little Dutch boy is in a bit of panic. All the weed in Amsterdam can’t pull him out of the world scorn he is facing and will face. No more Golden Haired Boy.

    13. Richard on February 9th, 2008 2:43 pm

      Is there any reason for any sane person to go to Aruba?

      Check in at to keep up to date with the protest plans. There will be people in Boston, in New York, and hopefully in all the other venues where Aruba Tourism Authority wants to appear.

      And “thanks” to Joran vdScum, our audience will be pepped up as possibly never before.

      Come on, folks, stand up for Natalee!

      Stand up for decency!

      Stand up for other potential victims!

      Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.

      If Joran is so afraid that his “precious bodily fluids” would be found on Natalee’s body (is that still possible nearly three years later?), then doesn’t that add some significance to Deepak’s remark that if they find “the girl,” they’ll find “that chit all over her”?

      Anyone doubt that the Kalpoes are involved AT LEAST in the assault on Natalee? And maybe others….

    14. Richard on February 9th, 2008 2:59 pm

      So, Nelson Oduber, tell us when you’re going to start the grand review of how Aruba handled its “investigation” of the Natalee Holloway case.

      You remember don’t you? You promised it … when was it, a year ago or more?

      Here’s a tip: go over to Curacao (where Amy Bradley disappeared, one day after crew members on her cruise ship tried to lure her to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies, yes, the Aruba bar) and tell Jan van der Straaten that you have some questions for him.

      How about it, Nelson? Interested in justice?

      Because if you aren’t … you might as well do us a favor, save some money and keep your Aruba Tourism Authority people at home.

      I bet they will be hearing some pretty heated comments in Boston and New York.

    15. KrisG on February 9th, 2008 3:02 pm

      #3Crimson: Just got back from mailing in my donation. Besides noting that the money should go for finding Natalee I said I was from Scared Monkeys so they know how much we support the search.

      Justice for Natalee!

    16. Richard on February 9th, 2008 3:18 pm

      One thing that I think we should start doing:

      We are to hear after the weekend whether those erudite judges from Curacao decide that there now is valid reason to arrest Joran of the ditch (once again).

      What should we be prepared to do in the event that they don’t? I think that if we really want to be effective, we have to agree on a series of actions … to be undertaken at once.

      I’m trying to work on a draft letter to the presidential aspirants. Problem is, I’m also working on materials for the upcoming protests.

      I can’t imagine that the warrant won’t be approved … nor do I dare think about what the impact on Beth, Dave, Jug and all the other family members might be if it isn’t.

      Where are the American politicians who FINALLY will be enraged, and will do something?

    17. Richard on February 9th, 2008 3:24 pm

      Here’s an excerpt from the blog of the Persistence, discussing the money issue.

      It also says the water search began in mid-November, meaning that it has been going on for nearly three months.

      Tim Miller, however, has said that if there are any remains to be found, they will be found.

      Godspeed on your quest, Persistence crew members!

      Special Notice:
      The dedicated ocean search for Natalee Holloway has been underway since mid-November, 2007. What began in Louisiana during mobilization now culminating in Aruba, the search has utilized some of the best search equipment and personnel in the world. To date, approximately 900 miles of sonar data has been collected covering a geographic area 80% the size of Aruba. The search has required a painstakingly slow approach which in the end leaves no stone unturned.

      Although slow, this approach is extremely effective in marine search and recovery. Since the beginning, the search has been privately funded by Louis Schaefer Jr. of Underwater Expeditions who remarkably and gracefully accepted the financial burden when requested by Texas Equusearch and Natalee’s parents. John Silvetti of Marine Surveys, Greg Landry of Offshore Innovative Solutions, Erik McGuire of Seatronics, along with Agiosat and Wilkens Weather Service came beside Louis to conduct this humanitarian effort. To put this search effort in financial perspective, an equivalent search conducted for industry would involve costs well exceeding several million dollars. This project has been conducted for about 35 cents on the dollar, with costs still exceeding a million dollars.

      Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: “Holloway search”.

      To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:

      Texas EquuSearch Office:
      4013 FM 517, Suite B
      Dickinson, Texas 77539
      P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

    18. KrisG on February 9th, 2008 3:26 pm

      LilPuma#50 (from the previous thread): Hello to you too! Can you believe this is still going on? A taped confession and still not enough evidence! Aruba, if you are at all serious please call in the FBI and a Judge from the Netherlands to oversea this investigation. Oh, BTW, make sure the judge is in no way related to or beholding to the VDS family. LilPuma, let’s get together when there’s no more threat of snow–say in April, at the bookstore where we met–at Beth’s book signing. Miss-U too.

      Sharon Chicago#60 (from the previous thread): I think I mentioned the movie The Bad Seed in my first post here possibly 2 years ago. It is a must see for people who would like to understand the sociopathic mind. There are some people who just do not distinguish between good and evil. They show the good side to some people and the evil side to others. Just like Greta has now realized.

    19. Crimson on February 9th, 2008 3:44 pm

      That was a great idea KrisG (#15) to include that it was from one here at Scared Monkeys. I wish I had thought to do that too. In donating online, there was a section to put what the donation was for, and another section for who the donation was in honor of. Maybe the rest that follow suit will put SM in that area. Showing we monkeys are not just all talk and are willing to (as Katablog said) put our money where our mouth is.

    20. Tazman on February 9th, 2008 3:54 pm

      This guy wants to get caught. He is dangling the carrot in front of everyone. He thinks this is funny and he he thinks he can do anything to anyone and get away with it. Aruba listen up, Joran is the one that has been costing you money and destroying your reputation as a tourist island. Any one of you would want to know what had happened to your precious child just as Beth and Dave want to know. Put pressure on the judicial system. Do the right thing. Have him arrested and prosecuted. You guys need to clean house!!! You know this also involves Paulos and possibly other higher up government people. The dominos have to fall. Sweep them away and elect new government people.

    21. Carol Armstrong on February 9th, 2008 4:10 pm

      Thanks, Crimson. I saw your post immediately after I requested the information. I will definitely send money. Equusearch (in Dickinson, Texas) is about a 30 minute drive from my house.

      I appreciate your help!

    22. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 9th, 2008 4:34 pm


    23. Karel on February 9th, 2008 4:43 pm

      No Tazman. It’s you who likes to believe he’s doing that, nothing more nothing less.

      It’s about Natalee, people like you forgot that very long ago or never knew at all.

      I’m no saint either and I totally admit that it was not her that got me involved. But I do think it’s time to start thinking about Natalee.
      It’s not about Aruba or US or Holland or Peter or Joran or Beth or you or me, it’s about her!

      Never forget that!

    24. Karel on February 9th, 2008 4:47 pm

      This is why I ask you once more. Where are Natalee’s friends!?
      SM: Natalee’s very best friends weren’t on the trip. She did have friends on the trip as proven in this photo taken at the bar at the HI just prior to going to CnC.

      The other Mountain Brook kids on the trip have given statements to the FBI. Neither the FBI/ALE/KLPD consider any of the MB kids suspects. JPK2 remain the prime suspects. The only reason the case wasn’t solved in the first 2 days is because it was COVERED UP by those with the power in Aruba. (klaasend)

    25. Kat_Gram on February 9th, 2008 5:00 pm

      Because the Mother would not quiet herself, we had to hire our own PR people in Aruba and in the US. They set up web sites to tell the Sloot side of the story, which we told them was :
      Criticize the entire family of Natalee, starting with why did they let her come down here ? and ending with : She did it herself, ran away that is. Then, we got the sleaziest lawyer who would take our case up on the media, and he did ! Then we laugh at them all ! My parents are of the best actors in the world ! Screw everyone, I NEED A DRINK AND A JOINT.. Joran.
      ps this is a joke, not a quote …

    26. Carol Armstrong on February 9th, 2008 5:03 pm

      #24 Karel:

      I would guess that Natalee has more “friends” than you. Just look at the posts on SM alone and it’s easy to see that people all over the world care about her and love her. And yes, it’s about NATALEE…and no one else…not even her friends.

    27. Karel on February 9th, 2008 5:26 pm

      Who where her best friends? Where are they? Why don’t they have a website? Why don’t they sit next to Beth in interviews?

      Where is the highly organized pro-van der Sloot effort? I can’t find it!

      I’m no friend of Natalee, only she can descide about that.
      SM: They have sat next to Beth during interviews, they were with her on Oprah recently…where were you? If you are looking for a pro-Joran site why don’t you register at they would love to have you. (klaasend)

    28. Karel on February 9th, 2008 5:35 pm

      Trust me, I know what a young life dominated with secrets looks like.

    29. katablog on February 9th, 2008 5:39 pm

      I hope Dave, Beth, the families and Jug all wear this as a badge of pride and courage: ‘the “F-ing’ mother would never shut up”. That’s exactly what kept this case going when Aruba did everything they could to first shove it under slanderous statements and false stories and then close it.

    30. Karel on February 9th, 2008 5:52 pm


      I hope they realize that nomatter the guilt or prosecution and sentence of anyone in the disapearance or death of Natalee. There will be ghosts haunting them till they set her spirit free.

    31. david r on February 9th, 2008 6:15 pm

      I’m sure Beth must draw some comfort from the De Vries tapes. He is Man of the Year as far as I am concerned. Now Beth knows. Not everything, but something. It reminds me of the time when that evil murderer Yolanda Saldivar killed Selena, and the press asked her father, Abraham Quintanilla, of his feelings about the upcoming trial of Saldivar. “I don’t care,” he said. “I know what she did.” Like Beth, his precious girl was gone forever. But I think Beth is not going to stop until Joran’s and Paulus’ heads are on poles. I went to school in the deep South. Beth and company are decent, strong willed people. As for Joran, I’ve got to quote Dirty Harry: “His ass is in a wringer!”

    32. Betsy on February 9th, 2008 6:45 pm

      Please consider giving 10.00 or more to Texas Equusearch. I sent a check for 40.00 today. It’s been a bad year for us and we are definitely feeling the recession; however, I really believe in this cause so I found some extra cash. Everyone can do this and it will make a difference!

    33. Cerril on February 9th, 2008 6:53 pm

      It is indeed remarkable the other students or chaperones from the trip to Aruba didn’t comment much in public. As Karel said: Where are Natalee’s friends? Why nobody from the trip came forward and said nice things about Natalee. No they choose to be quiet.
      I never thought about that before. My teenage daughter was wondering she don’t hear much from the other students. Is there really nothing to tell about Natalee? The students/ chaperones are not part of the investigations so they can freely comment about what kind of person Natalee was.
      That is what I also miss in this case. All the posters here have the most beautiful thoughts about Natalee and they don’t even know her personally. It was Beth, Dave and Dave talking every time and kept the story in the spotlight. This is good! They have every right to do so. Don’t get me wrong!
      But as I said I missed the comments of the other students or chaparones. They know Natalee in person. They must have some nice things to say about her. Yes SM, They have sat next to Beth during inveriews but quiet…
      SM: They were on TV and gave interviews early in the case then all of them went to college many in different states. A couple of them posted here on the front page and in the forum too. They have been on TV and not sitting quietly like you suggest. Natalee’s friends are not the focus of the investigation. (klaasend)

    34. Maggie on February 9th, 2008 7:53 pm

      Just some of the comments from friends who knew Natalee.

      Francis Ellen Byrd: (about the morning of the flight home) Oh, we knew that something was wrong because Natalee is one of our most responsible friends. And when she was not with us that morning, we were worried, and we were right there with the chaperones, trying to figure out what was going on

      Francis Ellen Byrd: ( to question if any of her friends saw Natalee leave with Joran) No. If one of our good friends had seen her, we would never have let her get in the car with him, ever. Absolutely not.

      Beau Barron: I don’t think she (Natalee) was too concerned about setting an example as much as she was about just being herself. She was more just like, “this is me, and if you don’t like it, then that’s too bad.”

      Beau Barron: She (Natalee) was a little bit more outgoing than everybody else. She was just always a fun one to be around. And she was always laughing and having a good time.

      Katie Henley: The following sounds liked a paraphrased quote: “They found her bags in her room with her passport and cell phone and were instantly concerned,” said Katie Henley. This also sounds paraphrased: “She said no one wondered about her whereabouts sooner, because the students were spread around the sprawling resort and often camped in each others’ rooms.” The following sounds more like a verbatim quote: Natalee’s Miss Itinerary, if she knew she was going to miss a flight she’d freak out. It’s just not like her. When she wasn’t there, we knew something was wrong.

      Unidentified male student: This was her (Natalee’s) reward for working so hard and getting a scholarship to Alabama.

      Francis Ellen Byrd: We went out on the beach every day, hung out together. Our grade’s really close. And everyone hung out together the entire time.

      William Morris: I don‘t know a person that just doesn‘t like Natalee. She‘s not mean to anyone. She‘s just an outgoing, beautiful, just nice girl that everyone is missing and ready for her to come home. It‘s hard, but it‘s also just a reminder that we just have to keep praying for her. And the more we can do here, it just makes everybody feel so much better. People have actually… we‘ve… Natalee‘s closest friends have braided these… oh, just thousands of these bracelets. And people have been wanting them all over the state. And there‘s… also, there‘s local, like, local businesses giving money. And everyone is just chipping in just to bring Natalee home.

      Beau Barron: She‘s a smart girl. She‘s level-headed. And she has just a bunch of common sense. And just the fact that something like this would ever happen to her just blows my mind. And, so, I mean, it‘s just really hard to come to grips with. But we all—we just—we‘re trying to all take it in stride,

      Jamie Justice: (quoted on cable news show as saying) … although Holloway is a sweet person she isn’t overly trusting.

      Virginia Page: I remember dancing with her for most of the time, and then an hour before (Carlos ‘N’ Charlies) closed, I didn’t see her again. She hadn’t planned on meeting (Van der Sloot), he just happened to be there

      Virginia Page: That night was more hectic than others was because it closed at 1 a.m. There was sort of a mass exodus out of the place. Everyone left all at once

      Virginia Page: Cell phones didn’t work.

      Sara Emily Allen: I had classes with Natalee. Everyone who came here (Vanderbilt University) knew her.

      Virginia Page: Part of me doesn’t like hearing about it a lot, but if everyone forgot about it, then that would just make me sadder. When people know about it and talk about it, I feel that people are still looking.

      Virginia Page: It’s important (keeping Natalee’s memory alive)…I think about it everyday. It’s hard to forget, and I wouldn’t want to forget it. I have pictures of her on my wall. It makes me feel better that I think about her every day at least.

      Alana Jordan: (answering question if she knew Joran’s face) Yes. Well, I didn’t recognize him that night because it was dark, but we had seen him, yes.

      Alana Jordan: (to question where, what time and in what condition last saw Natalee) The last time I saw Natalee, we were leaving the club, and a friend of mine went back to the club because we were going to make sure that no one got left because we were leaving at closing. And we ran into her and asked her if she was Ok. And she said, “Yes” and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

      Alana Jordan: (answering question, was Natalee intoxicated when the club was closing.) She looked Ok to me. I asked her if she was “all right,” and she said she “was fine.” And obviously, if I didn’t believe her, then I wouldn’t have let her go.

      Interviewer: She didn’t look like she was weaving or sick or anything like that? She looked fine?
      Alana Jordan: No.

      Alana Jordan: (did she know Joran) I never met him before, and that night he didn’t talk. He was just walking next to her. But I assumed that it was him. It was a tall guy with dark hair. I never knew his name, though.

      Alana Jordan: (responding to question about Natalee outside the club) Well, we just assumed that she was going with… there was two groups of students, and we assumed that she was going with a group that was in front of us. And we turned the corner to go to another club, me and a couple of my friends, to make sure that no one got left in that club, because we weren’t sure if anyone had gone there. Make sure that no one got left there

      Interviewer: Would you be surprised to hear that she went off with some guy? Would that shock you?
      Alana Jordan: Yes. She’s not — there’s been a lot of allegations that she was a less than respectable girl, and that is completely false. That’s really why I wanted to come on this show, to just clarify that she’s a really good girl, a really smart girl, and that’s why this is such a shock to us.

      Interviewer: So, that wouldn’t ordinarily be her modus operandi, to go in a car with three guys? That wouldn’t have happened in your experience?
      Alana Jordan: No.
      Interviewer: And you know her very well?
      Alana Jordan: I would say so, yes.

      Ruth McVay: (commenting on Natalee getting in the car) But, she had smarts and maturity. She knew better. Natalee would never take off with people we didn’t know. She was my most responsible friend ever.

    35. Bob on February 9th, 2008 7:54 pm

      Hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned.

      Beth predicted that Joran would enter a life of hell, and so it will.

    36. Bob on February 9th, 2008 8:10 pm

      Oprah splashed the Natalee story a few weeks ago for millions of her TV fans.

      Oprah publically supports Sen. Obama for President and has stumped for him.

      Now if we can get Oprah to whisper in his ear, and Barack stands up tall, there could very well be a way for him to make comment during one of his speaches. (Health care & Iraq is boring at this point. He needs a new issue to discuss.)

      It would also be terriffic if one of the upcoming debate questions could be asked surrounding their intentions for handling “foreign affairs” with other countries.

      For example: “Could you comment upon the apparant cover-up murder investigation of a young female tourist on the Island of Aruba? One of the prime suspects recently confessed to being involved, and a taped confession was broadcast around the world. What is your reaction to Aruba’s seemingly inaction to arrest and prosecute this person, including Aruba’s suggestions that family members were riling up travelers over safety concerns and has caused a 40% drop in their tourism?”

      Sen. Obama first, then Sen. Clinton….your responses please.

    37. Tazman on February 9th, 2008 9:41 pm

      To Karel:

      Stop trying to pass the buck to Natalee’s friends. Its Joran. Always was and always will be Joran who is responsible for Natalee. Paulos too!! Maybe you too Karel. Who are you? Who are your friends? Why don’t you tell us where you were that night??

    38. weasel on February 9th, 2008 10:12 pm

      “Let the hell on this earth begin for Joran”

      Beth has spoken: and so it shall be.

      (Lets not forget Paulus)


    39. Sharon Chicago on February 9th, 2008 10:17 pm


    40. Karel on February 9th, 2008 11:19 pm

      “Stop trying to pass the buck to Natalee’s friends. Its Joran. Always was and always will be Joran who is responsible for Natalee. Paulos too!! Maybe you too Karel. Who are you? Who are your friends? Why don’t you tell us where you were that night??”

      Maybe you should have done something to find out where I was indeed. But you didn’t.
      So lets imagine I am Joran. Why didnt you track and trace me?
      I mean you are the mighty scaredmonkeys from the USA with all those dollars printed more and more.
      You pay for planes you pay for everything, you even got our own wacko bullshit crimereporter on me. And you got nothing, nothing at all. You got photocopies of talks with me and the bro’s. They are fake I tell you just like everything else coming from the US of A. It’s all fake or produced evidence you know. You financed a no way back scenario for everyone and Beth is happy about it. Thank you Beth! I go free you are happy we are all happy right!? The bro’s get some money too and I dont but they will gimme some on partypoker cause we all became junkies of the garbage the USA f***ed us over with.
      F*** you, f*** Beth, f*** the FBI! If you dont want to know the truth you wont get it!

      SM: Joran? Is that really you? (klaasend)

    41. hammer on February 10th, 2008 12:24 am

      YAWN ….

      Maybe you should have done something to find out where I was indeed. But you didn’t.
      So lets imagine I am Joran. Why didnt you track and trace me?
      I mean you are the mighty scaredmonkeys from the USA with all those dollars printed more and more.
      You pay for planes you pay for everything, you even got our own wacko bullshit crimereporter on me. And you got nothing, nothing at all. You got photocopies of talks with me and the bro’s. They are fake I tell you just like everything else coming from the US of A. It’s all fake or produced evidence you know. You financed a no way back scenario for everyone and Beth is happy about it. Thank you Beth! I go free you are happy we are all happy right!? The bro’s get some money too and I dont but they will gimme some on partypoker cause we all became junkies of the garbage the USA f***ed us over with.
      F*** you, f*** Beth, f*** the FBI! If you dont want to know the truth you wont get it!


      To be schooled by those who are stronger and wiser must be hard for one who is a tyro. And that includes your father.

      The schooling has taken time. And will continue. You can curse and rage against the mother of the child killed.

      But it will change nothing.

      The current media rage is only the first part of what will come: it is not the end of the beginning, but instead the begining of the end.

      Free time means little when one is a hunted animal. Because there is no free time. For rest. For succor. For sleep.

      It is not I who hunt. Or even ‘we”.

      It is “mankind” who hunts in this case…


    42. Saoirse on February 10th, 2008 12:37 am

      Wow, freaking Ted Bundy brought back to life.

      Anita van der Sow spawned some vile garbage.

      What is the genetic possibility that his brothers have the same defect?

      Monster of Montanya, put pistol in mouth…so you not miss.

    43. Karel on February 10th, 2008 12:40 am

      SM, dont even bother deleting stuff. These servers are probably being mirrored for weeks allready.

    44. Betsy on February 10th, 2008 12:45 am

      Karel, I want you to know that you got a lousy eff-ing mother who has a giant fat ass and arms that look like thighs. Tell her to cover up her arms! Anita the mother of the evil spawn has cellulite on her arms! Disgusting!!!

      Also, mom needs a makeup lesson Karel. She looks like a clown. She is a loser mother and loser teacher. She should stop teaching the little children in school how to be like you. Aruba already has enough rapists.

      I hope your father can no longer practice law for participating in your crimes. He needs to find Jenny Craig too and is there anything you can do because he sweats like a pig. Maybe he sweats like a pig because he is one!

      Tell daddyo to break out the 2×4 and tie it on, his fat wife is ready for action!

    45. Betsy on February 10th, 2008 1:21 am

      wow that is going to suck for Paulus when he gets disbarred. What will he do wth himself all day? Watch porn on the computer all day with Joran and play with himself? Or, research drug and alcohol reaction on the internet?

      Will Joran’s little brothers have to beg in the streets for food and Anita sell herself to the highest bidder?

      The civil suit is really going to hurt. Sure hope the van der Sloots enjoy being dirt poor!

    46. Tazman on February 10th, 2008 2:05 am

      Ok Karel. We are all listening. Let’s hear the truth.

    47. Skyboxx on February 10th, 2008 5:16 am

      Atta boy Aruba, get out in front of this thing now………you show the world you mean business this time, just a little late, but this time you mean it. Whew that’s harsh an actual “Persona non grata” statement from Rudy Croes. Ouch!

      What’s next, take your beech and go home?

      Joran is slime/guilty.

      Justice for Natalee.

      How about a memorial for Natalee down there?

      How about an overhaul to your justice down there?

      How about a Natalee tribute from the people of Aruba?

      How about you deport the rest of the scum on your island?

      How about a simple apology?

    48. Richard on February 10th, 2008 8:09 am

      How about getting Jan van der Straaten under the lights and asking some questions? To be followed by Dennis Jacobs, Steve Cohen, and Gerald Dompig.

      For STARTERS.

      Not to mention suspending the PvdS license to practice law.

    49. Tazman on February 10th, 2008 12:48 pm


      I’m waiting for the truth. Let’s hear it.

    50. kelly on February 10th, 2008 3:48 pm


      Since your picture is on the news so much
      I though someone should let you know that
      your pug nose turns up so far that everyone can see your buggers. We all sit around and laugh at your nose and at your mom’s huge bra’s that shows through the see through shirts she wears.

    51. guajiri on February 11th, 2008 8:32 am


      Cleaning house is easier said than done.
      You may or may not know that all the prosecuters (with the exception of the AG
      and some lower ranking officials) in Aruba come from Holland, so it is not easy
      to replace them with a new crew.

      Let me tell you something about the society and history of Aruba
      At present there is one elite group consisting of politicians and cohorts. They do not care that much about justice, They may only use it as a means to get rid of their opponents. With few exceptions all the Dutch (those born in Holland of bleak disposition) residing in aruba belong to the other elite group, whether they be policeman, lawyer judge or dishwasher. They do not tend to socialize much with the locals and they protect each other. Forty odd years ago when I still lived there a dutch police officer while intoxicated ran over a local with his car and killed him. This officer was on a plane to Holland the next day and had never appeared in court for this killing. So much for justice
      Many on this forum think that there is a coverup. I happen to believe that the cover
      up was initiated by the prosecuters i.e. d.a./a.d.a. (see mail from AG to rvn)
      If some ministers were involved , it would only be because that omission of such a coverup/protection would result in revelation of their corruption
      Because of the above forget the kalpoes, they are not the predators, they are scavengers at most. The dutch elite in Aruba are not going to protect a couple of Surinam boys, their protection is only a by product of the protection of vds.
      Focus on finding the body I hope the sea search will turn up something
      tangible. I do not think though that Natalee is in the sea. I think she is in a well
      (statement of psychic very early on).
      If finding the body is not possible the only other option is to have jvds tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He hasn’t so far, this is only possible if the police with instructions from above will lean on him hard enough and do a professional interrogation. And to have the government cooperate you will have to do a J. Edgar Hoover on them.
      To end: what do you think Jacobs meant when he said to Dave
      “how much money do you have ?”
      I think what he meant was, do you have enough money to outbid
      the people who ordered the cover up so that witnesses would talk ?


    52. Tazman on February 11th, 2008 7:10 pm

      To: #51 Guajiri

      1. What was the policeman’s name?
      2. Can you send us the mail from AG to rvn?
      3. I too think its possible Natalee is in a well or a cave. Didn’t Tim say she had been buried and moved? If someone really disposed of Natalee by boat as Joran indicated in the filming in the car, then the only person that would be concerned about Joran’s school the next day, would be Paulos. In the world of psychology, Joran is what is known as a bullshitting liar. He mixes lies with the truth. He thinks he is tricking everyone and he thinks he is funny. However, he will get to the truth eventually. He wants to share his story.
      4. Jvd’s father (or other persons involved) Won’t allow them to do a professional interrogation. He must know too much.
      5. I think Jacobs is the front man for the cover up in the police dept. Somewhere awile back, Paulos had indicated that once he got paid from suing the Aruban gov. he was going to give some of it to Jacobs. Isn’t that called a payoff??

    53. guajiri on February 12th, 2008 7:50 am

      To # Tazman
      I do not remember the name of the policeman, it was a while back.(40+yrs) I remember my mother going to the funeral of the victim.
      Following is a translation of the email sent
      by the AG of Aruba to the website of rene van nie.
      It is somewhat a liberal translation, I am not a linguist.
      I translated it because I’m not sure you can read dutch.
      My apologies in case you can.

      Dear Mr van Nie

      I read again on your website that I, the AG of Aruba,
      have bungled the NH case in the crucial first ten days.
      I have told you before that this is not true and I have
      requested you to defer from telling untruths
      I will tell you once more how the case evolved.
      NH went missing during the night of 29 to 30 May 2005
      I was in Holland until the 6th of June, the first 8 days
      of the case. I did however have contact with Janssen
      over the phone during this time, and I have repeatedly
      told her that she should have the three boys last seen
      with NH arrested. Her reply was the boys have to be
      “tapped” first otherwise they would not have enough
      material to begin the interrogations with.
      When I returned to Aruba I again told her to arrest
      these boys. Her reply then was that they were waiting
      for video equipment from Holland because they wanted
      to video the interrogations. Never before was an interrogation
      video’ d in Aruba. Why they had to do this, could not
      be explained to me. I was against it because never before
      had the police used this technique, and were unfamiliar
      with it because of that. But as before I am accused of bungling this case
      while I had nothing to do with it. Janssen was acting AG
      and she made the decisions During the case I have never
      contacted van der Straten either in person or via phone.
      Janssen has never informed me of the intention to arrest
      the two guards. I have seen this on television while in
      Holland. No one has ever explained to me why these men
      were arrested, because there was never any indication
      that they had anything to do with the disappearance of NH.
      Their phones were also never tapped in order to have
      material to start their interrogations with.
      Teresa Croes
      End of translation.
      Smells like a cover up to me by Janssen and co
      Waiting for equipment from Holland?
      Same as saying “I broke my pencil, let’s postpone the interrogation
      until the next shipment of pencils come in.

    54. charlie on February 12th, 2008 8:31 am

      no body no case.
      who is talking about killer.?
      no body , no killer.
      even with body still could be suicide.

      so kids again ; come with any solid proves.
      stop b.s. 24/7.
      money making circus comes to an…. end…..

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