RSSAruban Police Corruption … Why Would ALE Have Asked Questions of Natalee & Epilepsy to Jug and Beth Holloway in first 48 Hours?
CORRUPTION!!!
They knew from the very beginning … and covered it up.
The Aruban police have some serious questions that need to be answered. Why did they ask Jug Twitty and Beth Holloway with in the first 48 hours of Natalee Holloway going missing if she was epileptic or had seizures? Dana Pretzer on Scared Monkeys radio asked Jug Twitty that very question in an interview on December 20, 2007.
The Aruban police knew from the outset of this case what had happened from either an admission or confession from Joran Van der Sloot and did nothing. How else could they have know to ask the seizure and epilepsy questions to Jug and Beth? So with that knowledge and line of questioning within 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance, what did the Aruban police do? They arrested two black security guard.
Update I: Front page of De Telegraaf
Posted February 7, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Corruption, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF, You Tube Video | 248 comments |
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248 Responses to “Aruban Police Corruption … Why Would ALE Have Asked Questions of Natalee & Epilepsy to Jug and Beth Holloway in first 48 Hours?”
This should be enough for the two black security guards to sue the government of Aruba!
Also, consider that the police of Aruba watched as Dave searched the landfill for weeks and Beth pounded pavement looking for Natalee and they knew from day 1 practically what Joran did to her.
Are they finally going to come clean? It can’t be really that hard to find other girls he’s drugged and raped as well as his GHB supplier. There was a pattern in play long before Natalee fell into his trap.
I still think this is a set up.It is for a lesser sentence if any at all and to get the monkey ( no pun intended) off his back.
Corruption, terrorism and racism, Neatly packed in one little island.
Can you imagine what Beth, Dave and Jug have gone through these past years. We have heard all of this from day one, NOW, it is getting acclaim from Greta.
What frosts me is, what, did alot of people think that The Holloways and Twittys fabricated this stuff? What on earth would be gained by that?
I get as sense that Beth has met with some peace, as hard as it would be for most, upon hearing what happened to Natalee and where she is, I think most of us would go ballistic knowing the little bast@rd and DAURY got away with it.
I think it is time for Beth to let loose of her journal, name the names.
Beth is a far better person than me and of course you too Julia.
Here’s a good blog story about the corruption of Aruba police and the fact that they knew of Natalee’s seizures BEFORE they arrested the black security guards.
Will Peter de Vries please expose this on one of his shows? The corruption on this thing runs very deep.
Will the black security guards please sue the Aruban government?
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
DeVries on GMA this AM. Said the Daury in the news who has been interviewed is NOT the Daury that Joran mentions on tape.
Then, knowing this, they went and arrested the security guards and held them for 10 days!
Hans Mos, can you explain this?
The AlE knew that Joran murdered Natalee and wanted to blame it on her condition “epilectic”… but since she did not have siezures/epilepsy, they could not go in that direction.
ALE your sins are being exposed for what they are!
are these poeple stupid? this is so contrived, from the staged wine trowing to the fake secret camera they are setting up the stepstone to say it was all an accident. If it was seizures, why did they hide the body, why not call an ambulance, nobody can prove anything about who gave her the ghb? What else did they do to her? Beth and Gretta are foolis to see Devries as anyone other than a fellow evil dutch freak who wants to get Jurine and papa off so to save the embarressment of the story about a dutch judge and his son kidnapping, raping, and murdering an American girl. This is all hogwash. The pieces fit too well, too contrtived.
There is NO DOUBT the ALE knew from the beginning. They would have absolutely NO REASON to ask that if they did not know. IF someone disappears the police wouldnt randomly ask if they had an ingrown toenail or something..totally STUPID–MUCH LIKE THE ALE. They better do something quick because it is coming down NOW on them—the police and government. Tell me Aruba—WHY did you ask the seizure question to Jug and Beth??? You have a lot of explaining to do. YOU are the cause of the demise of your own island.
To the Aruban Citizens—do NOT take this crap. Call the ALE constantly and DEMAND an answer for this…DRIVE THEM CRAZY with calls and force them to come clean!!! THEY are the reason your economy is sinking and they are doing this to YOU–their OWN CITIZENS!!
There’s not another hell hole in the world as bad as Aruba.
Don’t you people ever ask yourself a serious question?
Imagine this:
You’re involved in a drama in which you have no guilt except a dumb panic reaction. The American machine immediately jumps on you and starts accusing you of rape and gangrape and you have othing to prove you’re innocent.
Knowing you are not guilty of anything except not telling all you know, what will you do?
I was always wondering if the security guards that were arrested was really a fake arrest and they were paid to take the heat since they fit the description of the first story that Joran told. This would give some time for the Van Der Sloots and ALE to clean up everything.
Because you never hear anything about the security guards and their innocence since then.
How stupid can the u.s media be ?
The clowns of A.B.C. t.v. paid money wolf
de vries 5 million u.s. dollars to have all rights on the big news.
Nothing new came out,this declaration by joran
police had allready. The rest is all lies again.
So abc paid 5 million for old news and lies.
De vries is a very happy man.
the circus continues…
11 - Karel… I would fess up to the full situation immediately after it happened.
- I wouldn’t….
Provide twenty different versions of what happened that night.
Have my friends provide me with false alibis.
Meet with my friends and my dad to discuss “a Holiday Inn” drop off story.
I wouldn’t accept my father’s “no body=no crime” advice.
I wouldn’t accuse and identify two black guys for what I had done.
I wouldn’t call the victim a bitch.
I wouldn’t taunt the victim’s family.
I wouldn’t go along with all of the covering up done by those interested in tourism.
….ummmm do you want me to go on? I could do several pages of this if you would like and I am sure those reading here who have intricately followed this case would be able to provide pages and pages of stuff.
MD
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/38516/7b22ba40/joran_gooit_rode_wijn_in_ogen_peter.html
At around 1:10 Joran asks Peter: “If the truth ever comes out, will you say sorry? I don’t think so”
Look at his upper lip. It’s probably the only real emotion Joran showed on camera this far.
That’s just something even te best actor can’t fake.
12 Fedup -
I don’t think the security guards were paid anything. They were just victims of a classic Caribbean murder cover-up. Historically, when a caribbean island wanted to sweep stuff under the rug, they would arrest a few people. Media and family would go away, and then the evidence would fall apart and you had a cold, unsolvable case. Aruba tried, but never expected the blogosphere to expose their every corrupt move.
The guards stated to the media just after their release, that Deepak Kalpoe apologized to them for setting them up, that it was all planned by Paulus Van Der Sloot, and that Paulus had stated as long as there was no corpse, there would be no crime.
Isn’t that Paulus a cool dad? Instead of coaching kids sports or volunteering at the kids schools…he advises them on how to cover up murder. A real class act…and he is your perp.
MD
The Dutch investigator got all he could on tape; Joran wasn’t aware of this b/c he is now running for his life. From all the investigation I have read, it is obvious that Paulas is deeply involved (he picked out the girl he wanted at the casino table as he sat next to Natalee and Joran took it from there). I believe Paulas did pick J & N up at MacDonalds at 4:00 a.m.as he originally stated; the rest is history at his home, gang rape, arrest the black guys, clean house, etc.
this should raise a red flag for every citizen in aruba and holland! it makes my blood pressure spike ! these stupid ass idiots knew that Natalee was dead, they knew where the body was, and sloot was going to lead them to it.
then daddy and van der stratten stepped in and
suddenly, there was no body. he was coached to lie by daddy and the cops. corrupt officials should have to serve the most severe punishment possible. in this case it should be death. if aruba does not punish these criminals the outrage will totally shut this island down to a waste dump. it’s not far from being that now.
the people realize now that they were taken for dumbasses and should revolt. i think the sloots will not live long on this island before they come up hacked to pieces or forced out.
krael: the first thing you shouldn’t do is drug, rape, and murder. you know it, Aruba knows it, and Holland knows it. the cops knew she was dead
and covered it up. just as you are covering this crime for your friend. if you know sloot, then you know what he is capable of. the kalpoes also are not innocent. go ahead and cover for these criminals and you will share their fate. you are feeling guilt now or you wouldn’t be saying these
things to protect the guilty.
“The Dutch investigator got all he could on tape”
First of all, this statement is not true. Second, he knew that publishing would eliminate many many options for further investigation, especially if other people are involved. He also knew that most of the confession was a lie and publishing would only create a scapegoat that can only be accused of lying.
Keeping this silent a while longer would not damage anything except the money and fame of him.
He chose money over truthfinding, damaging everyone involved.
This makes Peter guilty, nomatter how this plays out.
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SM: Funny you say this and someone posting from Aruba claims they (ALE) already have this confession in a statement from Joran. COVERUP (klaasend)
De vries should split 50-50 with Joran,
2.5 million U.S. dollars for each.
Its all about money and t.v ratings….
I mean Joran could allways use this money in casinos and joints. Without joran there is
no story for de vries.
jorans declaration is useless, no system can
can accept a drugged persons declaration.
If the Aruba police got this same tale from Joran, about Natalee suddenly collapsing … it still wouldn’t explain what happened to her body.
We remember that on June 10, 2005, the story emerged that Joran had broken down while in jail and confessed … only later to have that story retracted as “unofficial.”
One of the things that should be done is to have the person who announced it in the first place deposed and asked what was in Joran’s “confession” of that time.
Remember, Oduber promised a full review of the case. This has to be done, van der Straaten has to be brought back … anyone expect to see this?
If not, then it’s more fodder for the ‘boycott Aruba’ movement. And maybe a travel advisory?
An small joke on an National radio show in the Netherlands.
Joran van de Sloot admits that he has commited suicide.
No one believes him anymore.
Please remember that the real money for Aruba’s ruling class comes from the large movement of drugs to the Eastern 1/3 of North America. The police are on the take to protect this venture. Corruption is fundamental to the Aruba Police. Favors were called in on this one. I direct you to “Aruba, Drug Trafficer’s Paradise” which explains how this takes place. Aruba is so dirty they cannot come clean as there is not enough space in prison for all of them. The corruption of the drug traded perverts all of Aruba.
#12 You ask a very hypothetical question because of course Joran isn’t innocent. Yet if you were with a girl who started showing signs of medical distress and you were fortunate enough to even have a cell phone on you, what would you do?
Perhaps the answer is not what we’d like. Maybe it’s “I got scared and I ran; then I called the police anonymously and reported a body on the beach.” Or maybe instead of calling the police, you call daddy or a friend who offer to call the medics or the police for you.
Okay, we can accept that. This is not what we would want for a 17 year old, but heck, not everyone reacts well under pressure.
What we don’t expect is for the 17 year old not only to leave someone in medical distress, but then quickly contact someone not for medical help but for help disposing of the body!
Why did Joran do this? It can’t be from simply having sex with Natalee. After all, if she’s really dead, no problem, tell the police it was consequential. What could be the worst thing that would happen to you in Aruba?
Ah, could it because you know that when the police investigate they will learn that you gave the girl some sort of drug (”if they see that chit on her, you will get 15 years”), therefore it will come out that you 1)raped and 2) drugged this girl and caused her medical distress (which now looks like death to you)?
Speaking about what #11 and 14 comments YES ad MD and super Dave have said YOU GO and DO the RIGHT thing ! Tell the truth and explain it the same way then for a Hundred times if you have too .
Seems simple but if you are truthful the first time then you will never have to change your story NOW and tell people that your a lier .
Added comment:> don’t these two names seem to just be popping up now ? seems a tad strange huh ? .
Jerry from Ohio, who has used the same name on SM for over two years now . No Real reason to change it .
Karel
Panic, panic would drive you to call 911, even if maybe someone really did not need it.
Why did the person Joran called fell the dire need to also dispose of Natalee?
Ever hear ” cooler heads prevail”?
Ever called someone in a panic? The first thing out of their mouth is “CALM DOWN’
What did the person who Joran called see? Why did he/she also feel that Natalee should be dumped in the sea? Why not hey, Joran leave her here, bring her to the hospital?
Joran even claims he did not know if Natalee was dead when she was thrown into the sea.
Perfume it all you want…a pig is a pig.
Sure, she could have been drugged by GHB, but she could have taken something herself also.
I’m not rulin g out that something was slipped in her drink, but i’m also not ruling out self inflicted injury.
An well, let’s not beat around the bush, all those teens going on springbreak ain’t going there for the scenery.
They are going for Booze, drugs & sex, just watch all the spring break vids that are on the internet.
Maybe the US should relax theire own rules on booze etc etc so theire youth don’t need to go to places like this without supervision.
I would rather have my kids drunk in my own house than on an god forsaken island without any supervision, and believe me, one way or another they are gonna get drunk, with or without the parents.
What about the lies of the fat pig Joran calls his mother? She’s told the media that she has always told Joran to “tell the truth.”
Get your 2×4 out Paulus and strap it on for a good ride. It’s all about to begin for you and your pathetic family.
sorry my comments(#26)were not to #12 but to #11
What is there was no beach? What if Joran went home and the broters raped her asking Joran to cover for them and otherwise put the blame on him….
We know nothing and Peter destoyed almost every possibilty to find out more.
The only thing we can conclude now is that Peter killed every possibility to surprise anyone else involved. He knew but he chose money and giving beth the weird “truth” she was looking for all along.
Another person who needs to do some explaining is Karin Bubblehead Janssen (?sp). I believe she is also involved. Anyone with any brains would never have exhonerated PVDS. It was through her the perp got 30,000 cash and a letter clearing him. Actually from my standpoint this is one of the worst parts of this whole cover up. I could never understand JQK being so mealy mouthed when he talked about her..even said he missed their conversations or something to that effect.
If the Prime Minister does not follow through with an investigation one can only conclude he’s involved as well, which wouldn’t surprise me.
Incidentally I do not believe Peter DeVries did this to water down the case and get JVDS off. IMO he wanted to see the monster arrested, and I don’t think he has yet told all he knows.
Question? Does anyone know the names of the police other than DomPIG who were in this at the beginning? Question? Who has charge of forensic evidence that is handed over to the police? These people need to be hauled in and questioned too…as I said before Hans Mos has a LOT of work to do. I hope he does it.
Karel, you must either be a friend/family of Joran or work in damage control for his many lawyers. Peter has worked hard on this case, spent a sum of money and deserves any reward he receives. Joran is getting what he deserves, a lot of heat and rejection. I was there when van der Stratten said ” I can never arrest my best friend’s son, my god-child”., that was on the day after Natalee vanished. They were in the midst of a coverup at that time. Joran is not the main criminal in this case, there is enough wrong doing to really be spread around….Like the Aruban gov,. ALE, Charles Croes, Karin Jannsen, van der Stratten and of course the prime player, Paulus van der Sloot. Give us his timeline for May 30th,2005. Focus on the coverup and you know who did what. No need to look for others when you know who is guilty. Joran will tell us more if ALE doen’t have him killed. That is who he should worry about. He is the man who knows too much and talks too much. He lies, but there is some truth laced in the lies. Ask any expert on physcopaths. Her death is a crime, the coverup is a crime against humanity.
“Four hundred year of oppression…and the VDS’ decided to accuse to BLACK security guards of being responsible for Natalee’s disappearance????….oh no they didn’t….black people from Aruba..rise up and open up a can of whoop ass on the blue-eyed VDS devils..mmhh..mhh…I know that’s right?!?!
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/38516/7b22ba40/joran_gooit_rode_wijn_in_ogen_peter.html
1:10 I say, confront some psyhiatrist or forensic psychologist with this, one with a good track record.
(You americans dont know the vries etc, they have a shady record always protecting bigger criminals and victimizing everyone else)
We know nothing except what De Vries(a narcistic asperger with criminal ties) wants us to know.
Viet Vet - of course Joran is HIDING - from the ALE and no one else. He’s opened up all the wrong doings they have been committing against a lot of other families. Namely Yvonne DeVries and her son Max. Of Course that is not to mention all the crimes they committed against Natalee and her Family.
As I have always said - This is a State Sanctioned Murder.
I’d be worried too if I have the Gestapo on my tail.
Karel, you sound upset that Joran has finally been caught. The cover up has been exposed and the dirty little secrets of Aruba are out in the open for the world to see.
Rocky, Talk about a pig with lipstick; imagine Anita waddling over to school. Okay kids, today we are working on the most important letters of the Alphabet. Repeat after me……
G-H-B
Got it kids? Let’s all say it again louder…
G-H-B
Later this afternoon we are going to have a spelling B. Here is the word list:
RAPE
MURDER
CORRUPTION (big word, sorry)
PAULUS
JORAN
ANITA
OCEAN
STRANGULATION
LIAR
LIES
LYING
GANG RAPE (2 words, I know)
HUSBAND
BITCH
WHORE
PORNOGRAPHY
Okay kids, this will be almost everything you need to know to be successful in Aruba when you grow up.
Lunch Break……..
Okay kids, I am so excited to get started. Who wants to pick teams? Oh, I know Paulus and Joran are a team. We need new teams for the next generation!
@Viet
I’m not the one thinking onedimensional and turning lies into truth. I’m not the one broadcasing stuff that makes finding the truth almost impossible.
For all I care Joran gets a life sentence if there’s proof he raped and killed Natalee.
Far as I know, nobody forced joran to make the revelations that he did on tape. Or is Karel now advocating that Joran sue Peter deVries, a la the Kalpoes?
I don’t believe that Joran is telling the whole truth, but whatever he did say came forth voluntarily. Let’s hope that we can fill in the missing pieces.
Meanwhile, let’s continue spreading the message: boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
“Okay kids, I am so excited to get started. Who wants to pick teams? Oh, I know Paulus and Joran are a team. We need new teams for the next generation!”
See, this is what happens now. The real sicko’s show their face. “Excited” Damn you are so sick.
Who wants the truth leaves options open if they exist and hopes for minimal damage to everyone and everything involved that is either unguily or victim.
A we have now is proof of outsiders trying to kill possibilities to find the truth and people like the once I cited who are looking for blame blame blame showing their messed up mind in the process.
Karel = the TROLL kelmel
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SM: Nope, not this time…this is a different troll, a Dutch one (klaasend)
Tell me; Knowing it might still be possible, can you hope for the scenario in which Beth and Joran forgive eachother, even supporting eachother in getting over this drama?
Can you? Can you? Can you?
If you can, you are welcome in my house in Holland. Nomatter how this plays out.
And I promise you, in Holland, The Netherlands you will find more people than anywhere else on this planet that are like you.
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SM: ARE YOU NUTS? (klaasend)
Karel sounds like Joe Taco (undercover)… Maybe Taco should move his practice to Aruba and reside with the Vanderslutts… i bet Judge Paulas would even hire his as an associate - I hope Taco is getting paid good by Paulas because his reputation is now about as bad as it can get.
#43,
You have got to be kidding…if not put down the mushrooms.
What in hell is #43 supposed to be talking about?
Meanwhile … another question. It says on another thread that Paulus van der Scum has admitted to smuggling a cell phone in to Joran while he was in prison. If that is so, and given his other changes of testimony (such as saying he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. … oops, sorry, that was 11 p.m. … even though Joran’s latest ‘confession’ suggests that the whole thing was yet another lie, IF Joran is truthful) …
wouldn’t you think that Aruba might be suspending Pvd Scum’s license to practice law there? At least, on the assumption that a lawyer has an obligation to support justice and tell the truth?
(I know; that’s quite a stretch, especially in Aruba, but image is image….)
I’m just wondering, also, if it ever will be cleared up who Shango/Simian, etc., really were.
Karel, Peter de Vries has obtained hero status and a hero’s welcome on US soil for his work on this case. Patrick made a great sacrifice to get this information. There is a saying here in America. If you lie with dogs, you get fleas. Patrick had to embrace evil to gain the truth. He said that he could not continue on. 20 hours is quite enough and it is not all the evidence they have. Peter told Beth himself that he had more.
Peter showed his evidence to the prosecutor, to Beth and now the world. It is niave to think that by continuing their undercover operation, they would get more answers.
With a scum bag like Joran with protection to the tops of your government, answers are hard to come by indeed!
Karel
Why worry if Beth forgives? and what would Joran have to forgive Beth for?
Anita, I don’t think you have to worry about the Americans being the ones filled with hate, look in your backyard.
From ArubaGetAGrip:
“Prime Minister Oduber said on the Dutch program Nova that Aruba, according to calculations, has suffered damages of a few millions of dollars from the Holloway case.
He said that just now that the economy has started to improve, once again this case is getting much negative attention.”
Is this man the dumbest BASTARD alive? He shows the same insensitivity as J-Urine! Without a doubt the ROTTEN apples fall close to the tree.
Karel, Joran needs to forgive Beth for what exactly? Should she be sorry she had but one daughter for him to rape and murder? Should we be sending him a supply?
KRAEL VAN DER SLOOT ? ANOTHER DITCH OF DUTCH ?
EXCUSE ME KAREL, YOU MISGUIDED FOOL. I SPELLED YOUR NAME WRONG.
#46 (Richard) where is the thread where the scum bucket Paulus admitted to smuggling junior scum bucket, Joran, a cell phone?
It is obstruction of justice and it is a crime, but it may not be a crime in Aruba. Most crimes are celebrated in Aruba. Heck, Judge Wit is probably patting Paulus’ back right now this very moment.
The only way to end this thing is to send in 3 teams of Navy Seals with instructions: no prisoners.
“SM: ARE YOU NUTS?”
No, I’m Dutch. And I know you know I’m probably not nuts. You would have deleted my message if you did.
See you in Holland!
(klaasend)
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SM: You won’t be seeing me anywhere near Holland
I am not defending anyone, but all coins have two sides, when will justice dept, of Aruba,
holand or u.s.a. start with the investigation
of Beth and stepfather, that never took place …
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SM: Never, because there is nothing to investigate. Joran and those who helped him kidnap Natalee and dispose of her body are the guilty ones. The world knows now. (klaasend)
“SM: You won’t be seeing me anywhere near Holland”
If that’s because of anything concerning this drama, feel free to delete these crazy messages of mine. I won’t think less of you.
I have nothing to add to the many responses here anyway.
Goodbeye.
this morning, fox news had a 4 yr. old boy who saved his mother’s life by dialing 9ll and reporting that his mother had a heart attack. it turned out to be a serious insulin reaction but at least the kid didn’t drown his mother in a fit of panic.
dennisintn
Betsy (#53) … It’s not a thread by itself. EURobert posted an article (I had posted it earlier) in a thread or two back. It says that PvdS admitted doing this; however, the article is from an Aruban newspaper, so who knows.
Meanwhile, it looks as though Joran has emerged:
CNN is reporting that he’s meeting with Dutch investigators now (at least according to Tacopino).
CNN also says that there is STILL no decision from the judicial panel in Curacao on whether the deVries tapes of Joran’s ‘confession’ justify his arrest. How do you spell Ric Smit?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/07/holloway.case/index.html?section=cnn_latest
(CNN) — Joran van der Sloot is meeting with investigators Thursday in the Netherlands in response to the recently released videotape in the Natalee Holloway case, his U.S.-based attorney said.
The exact location of that meeting was not disclosed, but van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, said his client has “agreed to answer any questions.”
In the video that aired Sunday on Dutch television, van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway, told a man he was with the Alabama teen on an Aruban beach when she apparently died and that a friend of his with a boat disposed of Holloway’s body.
Van der Sloot later said the statements were lies, and on Monday, Tacopina said the video contains “no admission of a crime.”
The lawyer said facts in the case contradict two assertions van der Sloot made in the video, including that the boat-owner friend mentioned wasn’t in Aruba in May 2005.
Meanwhile, prosecutors are still awaiting a decision from a three-judge appellate panel on the nearby Caribbean island of Curacao as to whether van der Sloot can be arrested in reaction to the video.
The chief prosecutor in Aruba, Hans Mos, was denied an initial attempt to arrest van der Sloot by the investigating judge last Sunday.
The judge determined that numerous pretrial detentions of van der Sloot in the past have created a “high bar” that current circumstances do not meet.
The prosecutor appealed the judge’s decision on Tuesday, and the appellate panel will have eight days to respond.
Holloway disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
Mos dropped charges against the three men in December, saying he couldn’t be sure of a conviction.
where are the proves, do you have them Klaasje?
The only happy guy is de vries, he got 5 millio $
paid stupid patrick 35 thousand $ for a lied , drugged confession, that no system can use.
what does the world know ?
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SM: Go away Charlie - it’s over. The world knows the authorities in Aruba knew what happened to Natalee but covered it up. (klaasend)
#56
Good Grief….come on now….you have a perp who has offer up a confession on his own will and you bring up that kind of crap….what do you need a video of the crime?
****Breaking news on CNN******
Spencer Bacchus just arrested in Dulles Airport Bathroom.
The interesting thing to me is that Van Der Sloot’s taped “confession” still has holes in it…if all he was doing was making out with her on the beach and she starts to shake violently and become unresponsive, why have someone take her body out to sea??….why not call the police or get help?..after all, according to his story, he’s done nothing wrong to that point (no battery, no drugging, no rape, etc)…the only reason you make an attempt to hide a body is if it IMPLICATES YOU IN A CRIME and that’s exactly what we have here.
“SM: Go away Charlie - it’s over.”
It’s not over untill the undeniable truth is out there and the ones guilty are put into jail after a fair trial.
Trust me, this is not over yet. There’s rumours the Dutch intelligence agency is getting involved because the Aruban justice system has been sabotaged.
It’s only getting started.
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SM: What I meant was it’s over for Joran. Even if Joran isn’t rearrested his life is over. He will never be a free man. Aruba will always be known as the island that covers up crime (klaasend)
charlie: when will a real investigation of corruption and murder begin in aruba starting with the sloots(all three of them) the cops, chief of police, the kalpoes, all the friends involved and citizens like you ? give us this answer and we will give you one. let me guess. you can’t do this ! trolls are paid to to try to derail the real events that happened here. why don’t you do the people of aruba, holland, and us a favor and get yourself a real job ?
your a stupid jackass klaasje, not man enough to face a real man, homo zeker ,homos zijn niet welkom op Aruba.
(klaasend)
a lot of bullshit crap on this stupid site, klaasje , weet je wat MARIKO betekent , vraag een antilliaan… Ha , Ha
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SM: I’m letting this post go through just to show what some of the Arubans are like. By the way you are correct, I’m not man enough for anyone…maybe that’s because I’m a woman
You don’t know that SM, you can’t.
“Even if Joran isn’t rearrested his life is over. He will never be a free man.”
Is that what you want, even if he turns out to be unguilty of murder, unguilty of dumping her body, unguilty of rape and unguilty of knowing what someone else did to her?
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Joe Taco says Joran will “answer any questions”
From CNN
(CNN) — Joran van der Sloot is meeting with investigators Thursday in the Netherlands in response to the recently released videotape in the Natalee Holloway case, his U.S.-based attorney said.
The exact location of that meeting was not disclosed, but van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, said his client has “agreed to answer any questions.”
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
AND LIE SOME MORE……..
ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU MEAN TO SAY TACO JOE?
I guess some new posters here don’t understand that we’ve been through the troll syndrome enough times in the last three years that we are quite conditioned to it.
It takes a very evil person to even try to defend Joran right now, assuming they have actually watched the tapes of Joran talking to Patrick.
Dear Trolls:
We are quite use to your type running in and bad mouthing anyone who exposes Joran or his family. We’ve spent 3 years now hearing how Jossy Mansur is supposedly a bad guy, yet the only person on Aruba who helped Beth, Dave, Jug and family. So now you want to start on Patrick and DeVries. Save it for someone who might believe you. We won’t. Personally I don’t care if they were both ax murderers before they exposed Joran. What I care about is that they did expose Joran and this is not some fairy tale cooked up by them since we already know about the previous confession (June 2005)where Joran said that Natalee had a “seizure”.
Karel #64
“…There’s rumours the Dutch intelligence agency is getting involved …”
De AIVD? Tell me more! Hadn’t heard about that yet. What are your sources on that?
Karel:
Pray tell who sabotaged the Aruban justice system?
I SAY ; IF ITS A COVER UP, PROVE IT….
I SAY ; HOLLAND AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
NEVER IN HISTORY HAD ONE CASE OF COVER UP.
TO MARIKO KLAASJE….
It was reported on Gretawire that Steve Croes is an EMT or has EMT training. Supposedly he needed to be EMT certified to be on the party boat. If true, might explain why Joran might have called him when Natalee became unresponsive.
However, I am inclined to believe that none of this happened on the beach but at the VanderSloot home.
Joran’s brothers must be reading all this on the internet. Must make Anita cringe.
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SM: The Steve Croes in Aruba that was an EMT was a different Steve Croes. Whoever posted that on Gretawire is wrong (klaasend)
how many now think the reason Paulus didnt get the judgeship was because he was a cocaine addict???
There had to be a very good reason PVDS didnt get to be a judge because from what we have seen of the judges down there just failing an exam wouldnt be enough. Could someone call in Larry King tonight and ask De Vries if he knows why Jorans Papi didnt get the judge job????/
Just in: Patrick the informant denied entry to US re a 13 year old drug conviction.
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2034278.ece
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SM: Yes, I saw that. Not necessary for him to appear live in the USA anyway but too bad won’t be allowed in (klaasend)
Deetch #62 can you please explain the significance of Spencer Bacchus being arrested?
Whoa, full forced troll invasion. Yep that usually happens when we get close to the quick.
Just in
Anita found her camera….on Daury’s boat
True, Klaas, but kinda silly imo.
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SM: I agree (klaasend)
Dear SM -
My name is Michael Martin and I am an American freelance journalist living in Holland. I am writing an article on the Holloway case for Amsterdam Weekly and need to contact Art Wood. Do any of you monkeys have a contact number for him? My numbers for an Ocala, Florida address are coming up blank. Appreciate any help.
Sincerely, Michael Martin
michael.martin@hetnet.nl
Not to minimize the value of an EMT, because I happen to be one, but they are not authorized to determine whether or not someone is alive.
If the victim meets the criteria of dead and this is determined by a 3 lead ECG, the medical doctor in the ED is called on the phone, a description of the pt. condition is given, and ONLY the doctor can call it a death in the field.
Therefore, even if Joran van der Scum called an EMT, he could not determine whether or not Natalee was dead without consulting a physician with the findings.
Also, without equipment, an EMT, Nurse, or Physician can only offer a minimal amount of assistance in an emergency. Hence, the reason many physicians carry a basic medical kit with them on planes and other trips. Short of a bit of CPR, C-spine immobilization, stopping bleeding (within reason) there is not a lot an EMT can do without equipment.
You can easly email Larry King at his webside. He loves to get questions from the public and uses them in all his interviews.
Don’t bother asking about the cell phone that Paulus supplied Joran while in prison - I have already asked that. Supposedly, Paulus has already denied he supplied Joran illegally with a cell phone - I now wonder if he did it legally. Or is Paulus saying that Joran lied? Imagine that, lying about his father. Who next - maybe, Anita.
I just reread my statement and there is a correction:
An EMT cannot determine death without the assistance of a qualified medical doctor.
I think that Deetch (#62) is making it up.
As for Patrick, we are keeping him out but we admitted the van der Sloots … well, enough said.
His having been convicted on a drug charge isn’t proof, or even evidence, that what Joran told him isn’t true.
However, I agree totally with Peter (#63). Lots and lots of holes.
The Kalpoes, he says, are “innocent” … hmm, so why did Deepak say that “all three had sex with Natalee. You’d be surprised how easy it was.”
Maybe the answers are in those portions of the tapes that we have not yet seen?
One thing that strikes me … if I remember, in those portions of the tapes that we’ve seen so far, the details about Natalee BEGIN with her collapse. They’re on the beach, and suddenly she goes into a spasm.
Joran didn’t say anything about the time BEFORE that, did he?
It’s very possible that the Kalpoes, and perhaps/probably others, were involved in a gang assault. Then the others went away, leaving her with Joran.
Only then did she shudder, collapse and pass out … IF it happened that way at all. IF it isn’t yet another lie from someone who has been dishonest since day one.
Maybe the Kalpoes weren’t involved in disposing of Natalee’s body. But I don’t think that PvdScum paid their legal bills, early on, because he’s a humanitarian.
Although it should be noted that in Aruba where anything goes, perhaps an EMT is qualified to do everything. Word is that their medicine is crap and doctors are leaving anyway due to no money to take care of patients.
Joran quote from my write-up for last year’s Boston protest against Aruba Tourism Authority:
“I lied and that’s the truth.”
Somehow I don’t think that his rules of the game have changed. I’m sure that some details of his confession are accurate; but how much of it?
The problem with stupid Arubans and stupid Dutch people who are in here defending Joran and the corrupt Aruban police force are in serious DENIAL MODE! They can’t explain 48 hours after Natalee disappeared, Dennis Jacobs asked Beth and Jug if Natalee had epilepsy or seizures. Joran in the tape under NO duress and totally comfortable talked about Natalee going into seizures. The only person Jacobs could get that info from is one of the suspects and Joran exposed himself as that person in the uncoerced (sp?) video.
The seizure question is the “smoking gun” that a cover up was in and still is in full effect today! Arubans who defend Joran have no answer for that. It’s impossible.
Wake up morons (only speaking to those that defend Joran)! He pulled the wool over your eyes and set Aruba back decades.
Hans Mos on vacation???????
This is from Gretawire:
From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Cooper, Meade; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Feb 07 11:23:30 2008
Subject: Prosecutor’s Office
Just spoke to Dope Kruimel, a Press Prosecutor at the Prosecutor’s Office. She told me some interesting information about the case.
On Tuesday, the Prosecutor’s Office filed an appeal by fax to a 3 judge panel in Curacao asking for pre-trial detention of Joran Van der Sloot. However, tomorrow by noon is when the Prosecutor’s Office is required to give the full case file to the 3 judge panel. In other words, all of the evidence/information that the panel will be basing its decision on will not be in their possession until tomorrow. The panel is expected to rule next week.
Hans Mos is with his family in Holland, on a pre-planned holiday. The Press Prosecutor also confirmed that Van der Sloot has offered to meet with investigators in Holland, and that he will do so sometime in the future. She will not say when.
Wonder what story JVDS and Tacopina have cooked up for Han Mos! Beth has always said she’d like JVDA to take a lie detector test..he’d probably pass with flying colors!..Sodium pentathol..now thats a different matter!
I am curious about Jamie Skeeters tape….was it ever decided if it was tampered with? The poor man is dead now so he won’t be able to be called as a witness. Does anyone know where the case will actually be heard if it goes forward?
@SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 12:40 pm
“you can’t do this ! trolls are paid to to try to derail the real events that happened here. why don’t you do the people of aruba, holland, and us a favor and get yourself a real job ?”
Whe don’t need jobs, we own large pieces of the US (and this is not bullshit), the Netherlands is the biggest european investor in the US.
So cut the crap and stay on the topic, Joran is the main suspect in this case, not the dutch govervenment, not the Aruban Government, just Joran, nothing more, nothing less.
Corruption exists in every state en will be delt with accordently if proven.
And for ya’ll start yelling at me.
Remember “He who’s without sin, throw the first rock”
CHARLIE: i bet you are a big chickenshit ! a real man is definitely not you boy! how old are you ? 9, 10, sleep with mommy, wet your pants, like your brothers. i bet you have a teddy bear.
you are just a small troll and won’t amount to a zit on a real troll’s butt.
@kayjay on February 7th, 2008 1:36 pm
Sodium pentathol???
You watch way to many movies.
Dr. Hodges thoughtprint analysis of Joran’s confession:
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/default.aspx?200827
These morons STILL can’t explain how Dennis Jacobs already knew about Natalee’s seizure? There is no reason for a competent police officer to ask that question unless he information otherwise. The only person(s) who knew that information were the 3 main suspects.
CORRUPTION! No matter how you slice it Kloothommel or charlie or every other half brained Aruban, that is corruption and can easily be proven by two things: Joran’s OWN admission and the question posed to Beth and Jug 48 hours after they arrived on the island….
Go eat a fat one!
Just how much more are these trolls going to try and do to Natalee’s family…for God sake..who in their right mind would defend Joran, except for those that are also guilty…
I remember the question about seizures being a question early on.
Is there any written documents(official police statements) that seizures are mentioned in, or was this a passing question from Jacobs (a.k.a fishing expedition)?
Well, America is finally starting to get to know Peter like we know him. This guy is always surrounded by criminals worse than the ones he’s after.
Why AIVD involved? Good friend of mine owns lawyer practice and he knows quite a bit about corruption on Aruba and the special status of the country. He sais the AIVD has wanted to cleanup the mess there for very long but were not able to. Because there’s new terrorism agreements etc he’s certain AIVD has enough now to get involved.
Let’s just hope the whole stinking mess surrounding this drama will come out. And please people, I’m not defending anyone. One sober look at it all makes only one conclusion possible at this point. There’s much more than just Joran and publicly scapegoating him this way this early is contraproductive in getting more answers.
So Han Mos goes on vacation at this critical time? Maybe, he’s visiting with that first Prosecutor Karen who also just happened to go on vacation during a critical time. They can compare notes on how to avoid the seemingly impossible. Hans, you might want to ask Karen what her relationship is/was with Paulus. He seems to get around a lot for a failed judge.
Hmmmmmmm.
Karel/charlie: Actually, the tape can be used in Aruba since it wasn’t done by the Dutch government but by a citizen. Know your facts before you spew them. Drug induced? All 20 hours were drug induced? Nice try…We only saw Joran with one joint in one video… Drug induced? Obviously you’ve never smoked marijuana if you think that is being “drug induced!” Loser! You two are tools of the nth degree! Weed is not a truth serum. Weed did not make Joran run his fat mouth. He was under NO DURESS and on his own free volition spilled the beans! There is nothing ILLEGAL about the way this admission was obtained. Deal with it! The idiot couldn’t wait to talk, because he’s been quiet for so long. He even said so himself when he was released last month.
#96,
I’m not so sure they are defending Joren more that their defending Aruba and Holland’s handling of this case.
We now have evidence that Aruba from day 2 knew Natalee had a reaction to some kind of drug…IMO most likely a date rape drug….no matter how one cuts it that looks bad for LE especially form Aruba.
Cronism helped cover up this crime and now they have gotten themselves so deep in this crap they can’t figure out a way out of it without completely wiping out their economy. Can you imagine the reaction if their leaders now admit to a coverup after almost 3 years of misdirection.
Did anyone notice Paulus sitting next to Natalee in the casino on the clip they showed on 20/20? The next thing you know, his son was the last person seen with her. Sounds quite fishy to me.
I had another dream about Natalee last night:
Natalee and I went to one of her favorite stores to go shopping for clothes. She loved it. It was so great to see her happy. Everything she tried on she looked great in. She ended up getting a white jacket with “Natalee” spelled on it, not “Natalie” and a pair of shorts. Then when we got home, my girlfriend took a Sharpie and spelled “Hootie” on the shorts in calligraphy. Natalee thought it was the cutest thing ever. Later that night, we made some popcorn and sat down to watch one of Natalee’s favorite movies… “The Wizard of Oz!” She absolutely loved it. I liked it too. But most of all, it was just nice to see Natalee smiling. After the movie, Natalee started talking to me about how excited she was about this upcoming class trip to an island. I had no idea and didn’t know anything about it so didn’t think much of it. I woke up shortly after that, wishing I would of asked her more about the island. Its as if in this dream, I completely forgot that Natalee was missing, which is odd and somewhat interesting. I didn’t even know anything when she started talking about the trip to Aruba. This is which makes my dreams particularly interesting and its why I’m documenting them. Please share your thoughts with me!
Heres my latest poem BTW… its called “Always be a part of me…”
Natalee
Many people would trade this in for something different
To presure or dream or fulfil or a gift
But not me
Because you’ve changed my life
You’ve opened my heart
And made it all worthwhile with your smile
I know in my heart that you will never die
Its too late now
You’ll forever and always be a part of me
You will guide me and direct me in every decision I make
You’ve inspired me
You’ve changed my life for the better
You’ve opened so many doors you’ll never ever know
And you’ll forever and always be a part of me
When your nights get a little bit harder to get through
You can lean on me
I will help you get through
Just like you’ve helped me
Your are an amazing person
Your here in my heart to stay
Your story has touched so many peoples lives
Your smile has brightened so many peoples days
And you’ll forever be with me and them
Until the end of time
Until that wonderful day when we will meet
And I can only imagine what that day will be like
And its a day worth fighting for
Your worth fighting for
Until that day comes true
We love you
PLEASE let me know your thoughts!
jb
@Scott on February 7th, 2008 2:08 pm
Ill give you an few hints.
If an 18+ person goes missing and there is no sign off crime the police will regard that case as an person that voluntary went missing (like running away).
UNLESS that person has an illness wich causes blackouts like seizure’s etc etc
So the quistion by the police isn’t really that odd.
So an small recap.
1. Natalee goes missing, is 18+ no sign of crime => little action by police
2. Natalee goes missing, is 18+ no sign of crime, but natalee is ill, thn police will take much more action than in option 1. (due to illness)
3. Natalee goes missing, is 18+ sign of crime => Police will consider case as crime and not as missing persons case.
So if Joran was not seen with natalee then this case would be an cold case 3 years ago.
Had 6- 8 months to write a book, but couldnt take 1 minute to call an amulance!
May You Get Whats Coming To You Sporter.
Bring in DIRTYHAND VANDER STRATTEN!!
“Hans Mos is with his family in Holland, on a pre-planned holiday.”
Er … did he take a page from Karin Janssen’s book? Or is he over in the Netherlands on Joran-related stuff, and it is being downplayed?
Or, possibly, did he (again like Karin Janssen) hand-carry some crucial stuff to Holland, perhaps because he doesn’t trust his Aruban staff?
Mike (#101) … Regardless what Aruba thinks, says, or does, its economy is on the skids.
Let’s help make sure it goes over the precipice.
Remember, folks, Aruba is mainly dependent on tourism. And 80% of its tourists have been from America (maybe including Canada; I don’t know).
Do you want more Americans going there?
Do you want to hear that the “isolated case of Natalee Holloway” won’t affect future tourism?
Do you want the casinos, hotels, and airlines to take a deep breath and say, “Hey, that’s over! Now let’s send more sheep to Aruba!”
I don’t.
Last year I organized a protest in Boston, at a tourism promotion event by Aruba Tourism Authority, to let it know that business as usual is over.
No justice for Natalee … no tourism for Aruba.
That was the motto of those of us who showed up.
That still is the motto, as far as I know.
Aruba, at the end of this month, will be back in Boston, as well as in New York. The Northeast is a major market for Aruban tourism, or was.
Let’s do what we can to let Aruba know that we are not going away. Now or EVER.
Stand up for Natalee. Stand up for potential future victims. Stand up for justice and decency.
Vicki is running things now. Write to her at JusticeforNatalee@hotmail.com. If you can’t or won’t go to the protests, consider supporting those who will.
Spread the word.
Write letters.
Remember, the “money powers” don’t care about Natalee. They want people to go to Aruba, or at least pay to go.
Don’t give up the fight for justice. If you and I won’t, who will?
Ok Karel et all, I will forgive Joran right after the Jews forgive HITLER!!!!!! JS
I think there is really something wrong with the video of Natalee entering the casino…I doubt if she walked in all by herself…
Question for EURobert or our other Dutch friends:
Just wondering … would anyone be interested in promoting the ‘boycott Aruba’ movement on the Dutch side of the water?
I know that EURobert has said that he doesn’t support the notion of boycotting Aruba … perhaps his views are changing as the Dutch display increasing disgust at Joran, and perhaps at the legacy of their rule in Aruba?
Only an idea … but if anyone does think it’s a worthwhile task, I’m sure the moderators here will be willing to pass on an e-mail to me.
What better way for the Dutch to show where their hearts are in this matter, than by enlisting in the boycott Aruba movement?
Richard, I thought Hans Mos lived in the Netherlands…
“Karel/charlie: Actually, the tape can be used in Aruba since it wasn’t done by the Dutch government”
I don’t know if that’s true but it doesn’t matter anyway. The greatest “crime” in finding the truth was broadcasting this tape way to early. It’s the most obvious and clean obstruction of justice there is. And also if it’s not about justice it’s the best way to guaranty you will never know more than what’s you taped.
Just ask any experienced lawyer, investigator or intelligence expert with a good record in any country. If you do an undercover operation YOU DO NOT make anything public before you’ve extensively used the gathered information to gain supporting proof. Any other behaviour will always strengthen the legal position of the person under surveillance and it will always generate more options for other people involved to cover up their tracks.
This case is even worse. The tapes contain a confession(no matter how suspicious) that was verifiably incorrect in most important aspects.
That alone should be enough not to go public yet.
De Vries knew this, Aruban Justice department knew this and Beth Twitty could easily have known this because she had several days to ask any lawyer anywhere in the world.
KLOOTHOMMEL: i don’t see anywhere on this site that i have called you out or called you a troll. so far you have given what i consider straight answers to most questions. sorry you take offense but if that is the way you feel, that is your business. i could have said stick a .45 in his mouth and pull the trigger like some of the others if that would make you feel better. my only concern is Natalee. europe, business, investments, are of no concern to me. i see you feel the need to call me out so go ahead and vent, name call, whatever you feel you need to do. it makes no difference to me. a short harley ride will cure anything you or anyone like you could possibly throw at me. maybe charlie and karel are part of your family.if so or not, they need manners. eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
I’m not sure, Brie, but his going there at this time, with Natalee’s case at the stage it is in, sounds to me either the most incredible of coincidences or having something behind it … whatever that might be.
Here’s the latest comment from the Persistence:
Over the past couple nights, the world tuned in along with the search team and watched the mottled confessions of Joran van der Sloot. The confessions filled the search team with resolve, renewing our assurance that if Natalee Holloway can be found in the ocean we will find her.
Everyone has an opinion and will defend that opinion with vigor. I must say, Dr. Hodges’ examination of the Joran confession tapes, and his 2/7/08 update on the thoughtprints website was EXCEPTIONAL. EXCEPTIONAL, direct, and probably the best explanation of events that lines up w/o an actual film crew taping the events of the night Natalee went missing.
It is a MUST read if you haven’t done so already. Supporters and trolls - everyone would benefit.
Carpe, could you once more give us the link to the picture of what we thought was Natalee’s green& white top. I can’t recall if it actually existed or only in your film, but for some reason I thought it was one of the items sent to Holland. Please correct if I’m off….
Boycot Aruba? I don’t know about that.
Just do something to make sure investigations don’t stop here. That should probably be enough to cleanup the country without hurting the very kind normal people living there.
@SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 3:23 pm
It’s just i’m getting an little tired off all this name calling between there and here, that does help this case one bit, so please take no offense to my ramblings.
Simply do not feed the trolls, that’s what they want.
@Richard on February 7th, 2008 2:54 pm
Actually, the dutch would love to get rid off those damn money consuming islands, but thats not possible to oure regret, whe allready had an politician who actually said that those islands should be put on ebay.
Maybe whe could sell them to the US, then you could easely spy on Chavez
I totally agree #115, also the interview between Beth and Greta.
Karel (#112) … How do you know that deVries didn’t investigate these thoroughly? As I recall, the interviewing and taping went on for some time.
And according to the deVries site (vide this excerpt, dated two days ago), Aruba seems to find his findings convincing. It says that Joran has been declared, formally, a murder suspect.
Not just involved … a murder suspect. The Dutch are known for their linguistic fluency, so I assume that he is using words precisely:
“Joran van der Sloot is now a formal murder suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, according to the Aruban public prosecution office. On Sunday Peter R. de Vries revealed he was involved in the disappearance of the 18-year old American girl in 2005.”
As for the innocent Aruban people … on the same basis, you could argue against our sanctions on North Korea. Skip it.
The innocent Aruban people have sat by for nearly three years … that is, when they weren’t maligning Natalee’s family … and let their government try to conceal the truth.
The same government is still in place.
Let the people feel the pain of the fallout. I’m more concerned with protecting my own people. If that hurts Aruba … it’s always got its drug trade to fall back on.
# 104 you are really reaching out on that one.
Karel? Joran was drugged and didn’t know what he was doing? Think you have that backwards.. It was Joran who went to Carlos n Charlies underage with his VIP pass along with the Kalpoes and moved in on an intoxicated female at closing time. It was also Joran who bought Natalee the rum151 at another bar in the place on the way out.
Tooo funny cops ask about seizures to her family because no sign of crime just days after Natalee’s gone and yet wait 10 days for body searches of the last ones with Natalee.. no questions much, no home searches for at least 10 days, no car searches, when they knew right off Joran lied. He was shown a picture of Natalee and said he don’t know her or her name.. he then went with them to the Holiday Inn to show where they left her.. Deepak told them once place, Joran another. Asked them to point out the guards, they couldn’t do it. Besides there were NO guards wearing that color of clothing who worked at Holiday Inn, yet the cops went out and arrested 2 black security guards at daylight, searched their homes and arrested.. still no search of the last known 3 with her.. The guards had alibis.. Beth was saying turn them loose, they didn’t do nothing. 2 days after Natalee disappeared, Beth with the cops watched the surveillance tape of the Holiday Inn and seen that Natalee did not return, still they arrested guards.. One of the guards said, Deepak was in with him, and Deepak told him, the Dutch guy’s father and the Dutch guy and the Kalpoes etc.. sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie.. Joran used that the first night Beth and the cops arrived, which means, it was made up before it was even public knowledge Natalee was missing.. Natalee’s family couldn’t even get police assistance at first. Dave Holloway arrived 2 days later and 2 of the police stations on the island didn’t even know nothing about a missing girl. The 2 guards were being held on suspicion of murder and kidnapping.. Julia Renfro went out on tv and announced.. The cops said they had good solid evidence against the guards…… and that Joran and the Kalpoes were just witnesses. What happened to that evidence of murder and kidnapping they had? All 3 go on to say they were meeting daily to make up more stuff and get their stories straight, while Paulus is surfing the web looking up drugs, alcohol and the effects on young people, plus lawyers. Paulus tells them, don’t worry, no body, no case.. Why not no body, that means she could be alive? None of them went out to look for her. Anita called a witness over to the house to ask them what they told the police. The search warrant of the VanDerSloots was changed on site.. It was for the full property says Dompig,, but only Joran’s room was allowed. That’s just a start of everything we heard for almost 3 years.
I get so tired of hearing the Kalpoes lawyer talk like the Kalpoes are saints.. The conduct they too engaged in is sickening.
Troll..mole..bob dole..
I get tired of people smearing an 18 year old victim of a crime. Natalee’s past record shows she was a hard worker, high achiever, made good choices, reliable etc.. As soon as these 3 entered the picture, it all changed. Wonder Why?
#112
Karel, I would tend to agree with you in a NORMAL investigation. But remember whom you are dealing with here. This is about CORRUPTION and a COVER-UP. ALE knew what happened shortly after Natalee went missing. They chose to cover up and hide truths. For over 2 years the people of Aruba and Holland said “Poor Joran isnot involved”, THe judges Wit and Smit said not enough evidence, and the ALE never asked “What do you mean something bad happened to Natalee!” THe OM told Joran he was no longer a suspect.
THe videos had to be shown to the Dutch and Aruban people. Look how their opinions of the van der Sloots have changed. Now the newspapers in Holland are getting a chance to see the COVER-UP. Not showing the videos would allow the case to be put on the Cold Case Shelf.
like it or not ; klootzakrommel,
wij hebben (de antillen)nooit gevraagd om door piraten te worden genomen.
Jullie hebben al het goud van Aruba geroofd,
heleboel tonnen, kijk maar naar het gouden koets
van Beatrix, waar in het modder in Nederland is 1
ons goud ooit gevonden ? Jullie zijn gewoon dieven.
Jullie moeten de Antillen blijven ondersteunen met geld “like it or not ”
wij met ons europees paspoort kunnen anytime Nederland binnen en werken als we willen.
Jullie moeten eerst vergunning vragen om op Aruba te werken, zo is het nu eenmaal
What is it with the Dutch, whenever they face critical moments, they run home to Mommy.
Mos is lying, are we to believe this is a coincidence? Any doubt he will be visiting the Hague?
Oh yeah, tell me about he couldn’t change his plans, again his vacation is more important.
They can fool no more.
Spencer Bacchus was arrested for clogging the toilets with his BS.
Figure this one out.. First story they told was about going to the lighthouse, Natalee was drunk.. lots of sexual stuff, her passing out off and on, talking weird, describing her underwear and private body parts.. then taking her to the Holiday Inn, where she fell and hit her head, and the guards got her at the front and they went home.. They didn’t tell the beach story at the huts until 10 days later they say.. Conveniently Joran’s May 31st police statement isn’t to be seen, but the Kalpoes are.. Why is Dennis Jacobs asking them about the fisherman’s huts on May 31st if they didn’t tell that story until 10 days later and why are they arresting guards who don’t even work at the Holiday Inn?
Deepak Kalpoes.. Police statement May 31, 2005 signed by Dennis Jacobs
On your question if I can give you a better description of the large dark man, who had walked up to the girl from the lobby, I can tell you the following:
- he is approximately 1.85 meters tall;
- he has a heavy set body;
- he has close-cropped hair;
- he wore a black t-shirt;
- he wore a black cotton long trousers which most of the keepers use and
- he kept walkie talkie in its hands and according to me he spoke by means of the walkie talkie.
If I see the guard again, I will recognize him.
On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I will answer you no.
Satish Kalpoe’s police statement May 31, 2005 signed by Dennis Jacobs
On your question if I you can give you the description of large dark guard, who stood at the lobby and walked up to the girl when we arrived there, I will answer you the following:
- he is approximately 1.70 meters tall;
- he has a strong build;
- he has close-cropped black hair;
- he wore a black t-shirt;
- he wore black cotton long trousers which most of the guards wear and
- he held a walkie talkie in his hands
If I see the guard again, I will not recognize him.
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.
Mos was told “we need more time to figure what to do” and the corruption continues
hey anita !! how are your little killers doing today ? both of them
The first police chief, Van der Straaten is Joran’s Godfather and he worked with Paulis. We all knew how corrupt they were. Now it is confirmed! Shame on you Aruba!
Secret video footage discovered of Joran
placing an early morning call to
Lorenzo, asking for help to get rid
of Natalee!
http://tinyurl.com/2nhkxg
-j4n
And so now that Joran is not working, is not a student, had his laptop seized, and has no visible income…how does he afford to live? How can he afford local booze and drugs so his family can be proud of him? Who is rushing up to call him a friend and “best bud”?
Sealing envelopes for $2.50 an hour no doubt.
66: klaasend, LOLOL She is a woman!
Trolls are not very smart.
boycott aruba forever
molly in houston
“Karel (#112) … How do you know that deVries didn’t investigate these thoroughly? As I recall, the interviewing and taping went on for some time.”
The “confession” was after the “wine incident”, so thats after 11th of januari.
What I think happened?
-Wine incident
-Peter makes Patrick increase pressure
-Joran was allready suspicious of this weird older guy giving him weed and driving him around. Now he’s almost certain it’s a setup and tells a load of crap.
-Peter quickly verifies some stuff and finds only lies
-Peter looks at old tapes again and realizes Joran is onto him
-Peter makes broadcasting happen asap, waiting longer or doing further investigations would proof he realized Joran was playing him.
-He goes to Aruban police so he can’t be accused of broadcasting sensitive information that needs looking into first without informing justice dept
(What and how stuff was discussed there is interesting, we’ll hear soon and I think it will fit perfectly in this theory)
-He invites Beth knowing she’s probably happy with anything keeping the case alive and incriminating Joran. This way also further strengthening his motive of just being after the truth and helping Beth.
-He(yes look at his emotionless face) films emotional response from Beth and forgets to gut out the functionless part in wich Joran describes Natalee’s behaviour when other people were still present.
-He goes live
Here is another poem I wrote for Natalee. PLEASE share your thoughts. Thnx!
She lived in one small tight knit town
Where everybody knew eachother’s name
She had her own room where she lived her life
She had dreams of becoming a doctor once
I don’t know if she can have them anymore
She has a face as beautiful as anything you’ve ever seen
Its been like that so long now
But has that been taken away from her?
Looking up at the heavens up above
I know your up there Natalee
Even though your world was cut short on earth
I know your living a life of joy and happiness up there
And I know your still believing in the dreams you’ve held so dear
But she still asks
Why was my life cut so short?
Why was I taken away from my family?
Why didn’t I get a chance to give my mother one last hug?
Why didn’t I get a chance to say goodbye to my friends?
And even now
I still wonder why your life had to be taken away from you
I’ll help you if I can
I’ll still dream in the things you dreamed about
I’ll still help people the way you would of helped them
We all have our beliefs to believe in
I am believing in mine
And I am believing in you
I don’t know about the heavens above
Or when that day will come when we will meet
But one day the sun will rise
And one day will be the happiest day of my life
Yes one day will be the happiest day of my life
I am praying that the ALE gets busted and exposed for it’s corruption on this case and I am sure on others. Let the world see the blood on their hands.
Justice for Natalee
The Netherland Police must not have arrested Joran, have not heard so…..
They should have given him his five minutes of air time with them and then clamped the chains and shackles on him…
What gives?
I think Natalee had a series of seizures brought on by a severe blow to the head along with the combination of alcohol and being drugged by Joran.
Some symptoms of a seizure:
Unconsciousness
Twitching or jerking of the body
Vomiting
Combination of alcohol and drugs
The person may seem like they are not breathing
Do never try to move the victim
Call 911 for a medical emergency
Joran probably lost his temper as usual and started shaking her, that just made it worse
I believe Joran told a lot of truth..seizure yes but Daury and the boat no….it was Koen and the boat
And to further say I never lost a nights sleep
Made plans to go with things as usual
It never bothered me
Threw her the ocean like an old rag
And why were the police at the lighthouse shoveling sand and putting it in the back of the police cruiser…Dave saw that…when they saw him the slammed the trunk and took off…
The cover-up from the beginning…they all knew…
Straaten was behind it. Tourism took part, Natalee was drugged and disposed of in the ocean, our tourists cannot get word of this….
Anyone here capable of making Larry King asking Peter some tough questions?
Anita and her comment..it was just one girl, so that means it was OK…Paulus and his numerous lies..I think he should return the $30,000, the money belongs to the decent people of Aruba.
How you can let almost 3 years go by and watch Natalee’s family struggle to find the answer, watch the brutal and cruel lies told to them, false hopes numerous times, all on purpose…as Dave says there are no words to describe it…
Straaten took his money and retired, he did his damage and wanted out of the picture…take the money and run…I cannot do this to my friends son …but he could sit back and watch the torment and grief of a loving family…the most disgusting and unforgivable thing ever in the world…
If Aruba does not arrest this derilick Joran, he will have a life of doomed visions… He will be a sore on the top of a scab to the world… He will live in the gutter of life for a season, until his demise.
What a pathetic creature…. Joran repent and confess your sins… judgement is at hand from God almighty.
#11 – Why don’t you ask yourself a question. If a girl died in your arms on the beach and you had nothing to do with causing her death, would you dump her body in the ocean or call 911? There is absolutely no excuse for Joran’s actions. There would be no reason to dispose of a body unless there was more to hide than the fact that she died. I don’t care how drunk, coked, stoned or stupid you are, you don’t dispose of a body if you’ve done nothing wrong. Joran is the son of a wannabe Judge and has lived quite the privileged life on Aruba. Why would he suddenly think that the whole world would believe he harmed Natalee if she died of alcohol poisoning or natural causes? He wouldn’t! He would most certainly be afraid of real law enforcement (key word here “real”) discovering that Natalee had been drugged with GHB or raped or both. How can you think Joran is a sick SOB after his admission that he never lost a moment of sleep over the disappearance of “that girl”? And why would the person who did take Natalee’s body to sea feel the need to do so? Wouldn’t he simply tell Joran that she needed medical assistance? Why didn’t he just leave her on the beach and anonymously call 911? BECAUSE CRIMES WERE COMMITTED AGAINST NATALEE AND THEY NEEDED TO COVER IT UP! They didn’t care if she was dead or alive, they just knew that Joran’s DNA and the GHB in Natalee was going to inconvenience him, hold him up from taking his exams, and embarrass is mommy and daddy. Not a wink of sleep did Joran lose.
#23 – The person who announced that a confession had been given and that they were being led to Natalee’s body would only lie in a deposition. Wasn’t it Dompig? I don’t recall. Anyway, someone told him to shut up (paid or threatened him to do so).
To All: What other questions were asked at the time the Twittys and Holloways were asked about whether Natalee had a seizure disorder? Was that the only medical question? If there several questions asked about various medical conditions, it wouldn’t necessarily mean they already knew what happened to Natalee but were only trying to get information on her health condition in general. I’m guessing (from experience in this case) that it was an a question not prefaced or followed by further health questions. That tells me that LE KNEW already that Natalee had suffered an apparent seizure. Dompig (without any evidence other than the alleged statement of his drug dealing relative) claims that he believes Natalee died of a drug overdose.
#30 “What about the lies of the fat pig Joran calls his mother? She’s told the media that she has always told Joran to “tell the truth.”
She may very well have “told” Joran to tell the truth, but it’s pretty obvious that nobody has any control over him. I think Anita has been burying her head in the sand from the beginning. She does not want to believe the delicious sporter she gave birth to is a hideous monster. She can’t face it. It’s easier to pretend he’s her sweet baby and direct her anger and frustration at Beth for bringing this tragedy to her front door. I wonder how much more alcohol Anita consumes these days.
#32 – Keep fishing. Your theories don’t hold an ounce of water. Joran cares for nobody but Joran.
BTW, WHERE’S THE GREEN MATERIAL FOUND AT THE CLIFFS????? HMMMM? WHERE IS IT?
#39 – So no punishment for dumping a girl in the ocean not knowing if she is dead or alive?
#56 – Are you wang’s butt buddy? I’m so sick of hearing about how Beth and Jug need to be investigated. That is the most ignorant idea in this whole case. Go back to RU where you are getting all of your sick ideas and STAY THERE!
#61 – I think Aruba feels they can’t convict without Natalee’s testimony. They’re waiting for her to show up at C&Cs.
#66 – And a d*mn smart one too, Klas!!
Karel, Karel, Karel. I hope you are not an example of the average IQ in Holland.
#69 “It takes a very evil person to even try to defend Joran” Evil and stupid, my friend…evil AND STUPID!
Attention Trolls: Please return to your own sandbox at RU. We are all so very annoyed with your ignorance!
#91 – Sorry there’s a language barrier I guess. What exactly are you trying to say? It doesn’t matter if Joran’s crimes were covered up? We shouldn’t care if the case wasn’t handled properly? The way this case has been handled, it would appear that the only evidence the judges are willing to accept is a live statement from Natalee that Joran drugged, raped and disposed of her at sea. I guess that’s not a problem for you.
#104 – Are you one of the dirty cops? That’s a sorry excuse. The specifically asked about “seizures” not a “medical condition that would require immediate attention if gone untreated.”
And Rudy Croes…somebody shut that woman up
Dennis Jacobs…how much money you got, what did that have to do with anything…was he willing to tell for a price
Oduber…I am sick and tired of this case
Dompig…Beth came to crush us
Paulus…I can’t remember, I don’t know, I forgot
Anita…just one girl
Joran…fok der bitch
Heartless and completely uncaring, I hope you all have hell to pay….
WITHIN THE FIRST 48 HOURS, ASKING ABOUT SEIZURES = CORRUPTION!!!!!
Re-read Dave’ book, what about this too?
OFFICER HALLEY, FRIEND OF PAULUS VAND DER SLOOT
This is what Beth was talking about the would “SHOCK THE WORLD”….”
Red and Klaasend, Jossy what ever happened to OFFICER HALLEY?
“ARUBA – UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE – DAVE HOLLOWAY”
Dailystar.com
June 12, 2005
Deputy Police Commissioner, Gerold Dompig, told The Associated Press that one of the three young men arrested in the case admitted, “something bad happened” to Holloway and was leading police to the scene……
How could the police deny knowing of evidence that was directly handed by an FBI agent to a defense attorney for submission as evidence?
Where is the witness who saw a policeman named Halley, known to be friends with Paulus Van der Sloot, taking a body from the sand prior to the police search?
What becomes of this witnesses statement recorded and given to police?
What became of officer Halley? Were any statements of accountability collected from officer Halley and was officer Halley arrested as an accomplice in the disposal of a body as seen by an eye witness?
Did officer Halley recover a body from the sand dunes?
Where is the tape that was given by Art Wood to Helen Lejuez to be submitted as evidence of a cover up?
Blogsfornatalee.com
February 13, 2006
ART WOOD: In August, the Diario tip line recorded an after hours call from a woman. She advised that there was a crooked cop, his name was Halley and he took a body from the sand prior to the search. The woman said that Halley knows Paulus Van der Sloot. Art copied that tape and gave it to Helen Lejuez who in turn gave it to the prosecutor to be entered into evidence. In September, Dave Holloway questioned Dompig regarding this tape and the police vehicle that had been seen. Dompig and the investigative team acted like they never heard of either account. This is what Beth was talking about the would “shock the world”….”
J 4 N!!!
IMO, The ONLY person Joran MUST trust and who HAS ALWAYS BAILED HIM OUT/ENABLED HIM TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING & EVERYTHING/COVERED JORAN FOR HIS IRRESPONSIBLE, DISTURBING, CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OVER THE YEARS and HAS CONNECTIONS WITH “HIGHER POWERS” IS PAULUS.
J 4 N !!!!
Would you wonder what motive a person has for defending Joran? Why would they look for this site and then post this? Hah.. figure that one out and ignore the troll. This “Karel” has a motive for posting and it isn’t honest.
Wonder where Joran is hiding…Guildo’s? I’m not sure if Koen would talk to him….remember I’ve know him since we were kids and he has a boat..Joran told on him. I don’t think Joran and Lorenzo have a close relationship. Wonder what number box of adult diapers Koen is on…
144 Yeah Michigan mom… Karel is probably Jorans brother or really probably one of his Aruban groupies and she trys to defend him…I think the Vandersluts are not on any computer now…restricted by their attorneys BUT since Joran never follows rules they probably don’t either…
Probably Jorans brother - Karel
#138
Sure,what would you like to ask him??
I would start by asking him, “Why did you not beat the little SOB’s a$$ when he threw wine in your face”?
SEIZURES? BECAUSE JORAN SPIKED HER DRINK W/ A DATE RAPE DRUG.Duhhh. Where did he get the drugs? How about Lorenzo or Freddy?
ABC News just in:”HIS [JORAN’S] FAMILY IS CONCERNED FOR HIS MENTAL STATE, FEARING HE MAY COMMIT SUICIDE”
OHHHHHHH PULLLLEEEZZZEEEEE!!!!!!
PAULUS & ANITA CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING OF HIS MENTAL STATE. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELVES AND YOUR EVIL SPAWN!!!
“ALL IN PLAINVIEW?” Joran van der Sloot FLICKER/MSN/MYPSACE SITES and the pimps “PREDATORY GAME”
The ONLY person Joran MUST trust and who HAS ALWAYS BAILED HIM OUT/ENABLED HIM TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING & EVERYTHING/COVERED JORAN FOR HIS IRRESPONSIBLE, DISTURBING, CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OVER THE YEARS and HAS CONNECTIONS WITH “HIGHER POWERS” IS PAULUS.
Remember what Clindt Van Zandt reported about a “predatory game”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9398540/
“…Clint van Zandt, likewise, discussed the “predatory game” that is active on the island of Aruba. Essentially, he [Clint Van Zandt] describes an old “cutting” game in which women on their last night in town are selected for drugging and gang raping, then dropped off near their hotel. If they complain, the police describe, in detail, how they will be required to remain for the prosecution. Van Zandt concludes that most, if not all women, just pick up their goods and leave without seeking any further action…”
GO THROUGH JORAN’S FLICKR/MSN/MY SPACE SITES. REMEMBER EARLY ON in MAY/JUNE 2005 HIS SITES WERE SO DIFFERENT, EVEN MORE INCRIMINATING, Does anyone have a link to those sites for comparison?
Such as: THE PHOTO WITH JORAN “STRANGLING” THAT GUY WITH HIS BELT, DEEPAK, SATISH “KING OF BLING BLING” AND FREDDY “LOCO MAN PIMP” MADE ME SICK. ONE OF THEM EVEN WROTE IN THEIR PROFILE SOMETHING ABOUT F***CKING/RAPING TOURISTS.
I HOPE THEY DO NOT LET K2 OFF THE HOOK, THEY MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT INNOCENT. THEY SPOKE ABOUT NATALEE WITH THE EXACT SAME DISRESPECT, DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE AND WOMEN, AS JORAN.
PERHAPS IT WAS “ALL IN PLAINVIEW” AND STILL IS….
THE “NEW/RECENT FLICKR/MSN/MYSPACE ETC SITES” BY JORAN IS ALSO TELLING. APPEARS HE IS GETTING OFF ON THE MEDIA ATTENTION. BRAGGING, SHOWING OFF. THE IMAGES AND CAPTIONS HE POSTED OF BETH, JUG, DAVE – MAKES ME SICK TO SAY THE LEAST.
IMO, FREDDY IS THE SAME EVIL SPECIES AS JORAN. JUST AS ARROGANT, COCKY, NASTY AND VILE. HE IS ALL OVER THAT SITE, THEY HAVE BEEN TIGHT FOR YEARS. WASN’T FREDDY THERE THAT NIGHT?
Imo, Freddy knows plenty so does Koen, Sander, Geoffrey, Steve Croes, Guido, And is Lorenzo pictured anywhere on these sites????
JORAN’S YOUNGER BROTHER VALENTIJN:
WASN’T VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN HOME THAT NIGHT?
WE ALL KNOW PAULUS IS “DAURY” AND IS GUILTY AS HELL, BUT COULD VALENTIJN OR FREDDY HAVE LOGGED ON THE COMPUTERS UNDER PVS AND JVS NAME TO CREATE THEIR ALIBIS WHILE PAULUS AND JORAN WERE OUT DISPOSING OF OR MOVING NATALEE’S BODY???
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/37748857/
WHY DID JORAN POST THIS ABOUT VALENTIJN??? ME AND NATALIE AIN’T 2GETHER ANY MORE……..
Read what Valentijn Van der Sloot said titled Life, dated August 27, 2005 such as:
Most of you know about everything that’s going on w/my bro but I think I’ll comment on that junk later!!!
“Me and Natalie ain’t 2gether anymore but I know it’s for the better! Let’s see….all of the “dukes of hazard” crew LOL, invited as well as uninvited probably know about sum other new stuff in my life:) but again I’ll save it for a later comment!!!! Haha the 14 points of life……J,
life of Valentign!!!!!!- the Bad Boyzzz for Life!!! -
Under “comments” says it all:
Poor kid. Sounds like he is following in big brother’s foot steps. Their parents should be put behind bars.
OR WHAT DEEPAK WROTE:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/39997555/
Under “comments” says it all [SOUND FAMILIAR JORAN?]:
The fucked thing is its like hes bragging about it right on this fuckin shit here…makes me sick for real…dont natter no way tho,aint no way some clowns like these three stooges are gettin away with shit
OR “HELLO JORAN ON TAPE W/ PATRICK!”
son, keep looking over your shoulder because one day when you think things could never get better,that’s when your world will collapse. You know how complicit you are whether directly or not,_Eventually the truth will come out.
ISN’T THIS DAURY W/ JORAN, FREDDY, SANDER AND WHO IS THE GUY W/ GLASSES?