Aruban Police Corruption … Why Would ALE Have Asked Questions of Natalee & Epilepsy to Jug and Beth Holloway in first 48 Hours?



They knew from the very beginning … and covered it up.

The Aruban police have some serious questions that need to be answered. Why did they ask Jug Twitty and Beth Holloway with in the first 48 hours of Natalee Holloway going missing if she was epileptic or had seizures? Dana Pretzer on Scared Monkeys radio asked Jug Twitty that very question in an interview on December 20, 2007.

We later learn from the just released secret recordings of Peter R. De Vries that Joran Van der Sloot is referencing that Natalee Holloway was shaking and became unresponsive. Beth Holloway and Greta Van Susteren discuss that very point HERE.
You can also watch Greta’s interview with Jug Twitty HERE where she references Jug’s past interview with Dana Pretzer on Scared Monekys radio discussing the police questioning regarding Natalee having past history of seizures.

The Aruban police knew from the outset of this case what had happened from either an admission or confession from Joran Van der Sloot and did nothing. How else could they have know to ask the seizure and epilepsy questions to Jug and Beth? So with that knowledge and line of questioning within 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance, what did the Aruban police do? They arrested two black security guard.

Update I: Front page of De Telegraaf


If you liked this post, you may also like these:

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  • Natalee Holloway: John Q. Kelly On the Record … Civil Case & Where is the Missing Statements from Joran Van der Sloot ( Aruba Cover up & Corruption)
  • Aruban Newspapers Bon Dia; Beth Twitty’s Declaration and the Natalee Holloway Investigation
  • Natalee Holloway: Strategic Communications Task Force preparing for possible meeting with Beth Twitty

  • Comments

    248 Responses to “Aruban Police Corruption … Why Would ALE Have Asked Questions of Natalee & Epilepsy to Jug and Beth Holloway in first 48 Hours?”

    1. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 7:58 am

      This should be enough for the two black security guards to sue the government of Aruba!

      Also, consider that the police of Aruba watched as Dave searched the landfill for weeks and Beth pounded pavement looking for Natalee and they knew from day 1 practically what Joran did to her.

      Are they finally going to come clean? It can’t be really that hard to find other girls he’s drugged and raped as well as his GHB supplier. There was a pattern in play long before Natalee fell into his trap.

    2. brian fogle on February 7th, 2008 8:07 am

      I still think this is a set up.It is for a lesser sentence if any at all and to get the monkey ( no pun intended) off his back.

    3. Miss-Underestimated on February 7th, 2008 8:14 am

      Corruption, terrorism and racism, Neatly packed in one little island.

      Can you imagine what Beth, Dave and Jug have gone through these past years. We have heard all of this from day one, NOW, it is getting acclaim from Greta.

      What frosts me is, what, did alot of people think that The Holloways and Twittys fabricated this stuff? What on earth would be gained by that?

      I get as sense that Beth has met with some peace, as hard as it would be for most, upon hearing what happened to Natalee and where she is, I think most of us would go ballistic knowing the little bast@rd and DAURY got away with it.

      I think it is time for Beth to let loose of her journal, name the names.

      Beth is a far better person than me and of course you too Julia.

    4. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 8:17 am

      Here’s a good blog story about the corruption of Aruba police and the fact that they knew of Natalee’s seizures BEFORE they arrested the black security guards.

      Will Peter de Vries please expose this on one of his shows? The corruption on this thing runs very deep.

      Will the black security guards please sue the Aruban government?

    5. katablog on February 7th, 2008 8:26 am

      DeVries on GMA this AM. Said the Daury in the news who has been interviewed is NOT the Daury that Joran mentions on tape.

    6. Deetch on February 7th, 2008 8:31 am

      Then, knowing this, they went and arrested the security guards and held them for 10 days!

      Hans Mos, can you explain this?

    7. Sharon Chicago on February 7th, 2008 8:41 am

      The AlE knew that Joran murdered Natalee and wanted to blame it on her condition “epilectic”… but since she did not have siezures/epilepsy, they could not go in that direction.

      ALE your sins are being exposed for what they are!

    8. idongbelieveit on February 7th, 2008 8:44 am

      are these poeple stupid? this is so contrived, from the staged wine trowing to the fake secret camera they are setting up the stepstone to say it was all an accident. If it was seizures, why did they hide the body, why not call an ambulance, nobody can prove anything about who gave her the ghb? What else did they do to her? Beth and Gretta are foolis to see Devries as anyone other than a fellow evil dutch freak who wants to get Jurine and papa off so to save the embarressment of the story about a dutch judge and his son kidnapping, raping, and murdering an American girl. This is all hogwash. The pieces fit too well, too contrtived.

    9. Sherry on February 7th, 2008 8:45 am

      There is NO DOUBT the ALE knew from the beginning. They would have absolutely NO REASON to ask that if they did not know. IF someone disappears the police wouldnt randomly ask if they had an ingrown toenail or something..totally STUPID–MUCH LIKE THE ALE. They better do something quick because it is coming down NOW on them—the police and government. Tell me Aruba—WHY did you ask the seizure question to Jug and Beth??? You have a lot of explaining to do. YOU are the cause of the demise of your own island.

      To the Aruban Citizens—do NOT take this crap. Call the ALE constantly and DEMAND an answer for this…DRIVE THEM CRAZY with calls and force them to come clean!!! THEY are the reason your economy is sinking and they are doing this to YOU–their OWN CITIZENS!!

    10. Aruba Dutch Lies on February 7th, 2008 9:12 am

      There’s not another hell hole in the world as bad as Aruba.

    11. Karel on February 7th, 2008 9:30 am

      Don’t you people ever ask yourself a serious question?

      Imagine this:
      You’re involved in a drama in which you have no guilt except a dumb panic reaction. The American machine immediately jumps on you and starts accusing you of rape and gangrape and you have othing to prove you’re innocent.
      Knowing you are not guilty of anything except not telling all you know, what will you do?

    12. FEDUP on February 7th, 2008 9:35 am

      I was always wondering if the security guards that were arrested was really a fake arrest and they were paid to take the heat since they fit the description of the first story that Joran told. This would give some time for the Van Der Sloots and ALE to clean up everything.

      Because you never hear anything about the security guards and their innocence since then.

    13. charlie on February 7th, 2008 9:48 am

      How stupid can the u.s media be ?
      The clowns of A.B.C. t.v. paid money wolf
      de vries 5 million u.s. dollars to have all rights on the big news.
      Nothing new came out,this declaration by joran
      police had allready. The rest is all lies again.
      So abc paid 5 million for old news and lies.
      De vries is a very happy man.
      the circus continues…

    14. minnesota dad on February 7th, 2008 9:50 am

      11 – Karel… I would fess up to the full situation immediately after it happened.

      - I wouldn’t….
      Provide twenty different versions of what happened that night.
      Have my friends provide me with false alibis.
      Meet with my friends and my dad to discuss “a Holiday Inn” drop off story.
      I wouldn’t accept my father’s “no body=no crime” advice.
      I wouldn’t accuse and identify two black guys for what I had done.
      I wouldn’t call the victim a bitch.
      I wouldn’t taunt the victim’s family.
      I wouldn’t go along with all of the covering up done by those interested in tourism.

      ….ummmm do you want me to go on? I could do several pages of this if you would like and I am sure those reading here who have intricately followed this case would be able to provide pages and pages of stuff.


    15. Karel on February 7th, 2008 9:54 am

      At around 1:10 Joran asks Peter: “If the truth ever comes out, will you say sorry? I don’t think so”

      Look at his upper lip. It’s probably the only real emotion Joran showed on camera this far.
      That’s just something even te best actor can’t fake.

    16. minnesota dad on February 7th, 2008 9:56 am

      12 Fedup -

      I don’t think the security guards were paid anything. They were just victims of a classic Caribbean murder cover-up. Historically, when a caribbean island wanted to sweep stuff under the rug, they would arrest a few people. Media and family would go away, and then the evidence would fall apart and you had a cold, unsolvable case. Aruba tried, but never expected the blogosphere to expose their every corrupt move.

      The guards stated to the media just after their release, that Deepak Kalpoe apologized to them for setting them up, that it was all planned by Paulus Van Der Sloot, and that Paulus had stated as long as there was no corpse, there would be no crime.

      Isn’t that Paulus a cool dad? Instead of coaching kids sports or volunteering at the kids schools…he advises them on how to cover up murder. A real class act…and he is your perp.


    17. Denise on February 7th, 2008 9:58 am

      The Dutch investigator got all he could on tape; Joran wasn’t aware of this b/c he is now running for his life. From all the investigation I have read, it is obvious that Paulas is deeply involved (he picked out the girl he wanted at the casino table as he sat next to Natalee and Joran took it from there). I believe Paulas did pick J & N up at MacDonalds at 4:00 he originally stated; the rest is history at his home, gang rape, arrest the black guys, clean house, etc.

    18. super dave on February 7th, 2008 9:59 am

      this should raise a red flag for every citizen in aruba and holland! it makes my blood pressure spike ! these stupid ass idiots knew that Natalee was dead, they knew where the body was, and sloot was going to lead them to it.
      then daddy and van der stratten stepped in and
      suddenly, there was no body. he was coached to lie by daddy and the cops. corrupt officials should have to serve the most severe punishment possible. in this case it should be death. if aruba does not punish these criminals the outrage will totally shut this island down to a waste dump. it’s not far from being that now.
      the people realize now that they were taken for dumbasses and should revolt. i think the sloots will not live long on this island before they come up hacked to pieces or forced out.

    19. super dave on February 7th, 2008 10:05 am

      krael: the first thing you shouldn’t do is drug, rape, and murder. you know it, Aruba knows it, and Holland knows it. the cops knew she was dead
      and covered it up. just as you are covering this crime for your friend. if you know sloot, then you know what he is capable of. the kalpoes also are not innocent. go ahead and cover for these criminals and you will share their fate. you are feeling guilt now or you wouldn’t be saying these
      things to protect the guilty.

    20. Karel on February 7th, 2008 10:11 am

      “The Dutch investigator got all he could on tape”

      First of all, this statement is not true. Second, he knew that publishing would eliminate many many options for further investigation, especially if other people are involved. He also knew that most of the confession was a lie and publishing would only create a scapegoat that can only be accused of lying.
      Keeping this silent a while longer would not damage anything except the money and fame of him.
      He chose money over truthfinding, damaging everyone involved.

      This makes Peter guilty, nomatter how this plays out.
      SM: Funny you say this and someone posting from Aruba claims they (ALE) already have this confession in a statement from Joran. COVERUP (klaasend)

    21. charlie on February 7th, 2008 10:13 am

      De vries should split 50-50 with Joran,
      2.5 million U.S. dollars for each.
      Its all about money and t.v ratings….
      I mean Joran could allways use this money in casinos and joints. Without joran there is
      no story for de vries.
      jorans declaration is useless, no system can
      can accept a drugged persons declaration.

    22. Richard on February 7th, 2008 10:16 am

      If the Aruba police got this same tale from Joran, about Natalee suddenly collapsing … it still wouldn’t explain what happened to her body.

    23. Richard on February 7th, 2008 10:20 am

      We remember that on June 10, 2005, the story emerged that Joran had broken down while in jail and confessed … only later to have that story retracted as “unofficial.”

      One of the things that should be done is to have the person who announced it in the first place deposed and asked what was in Joran’s “confession” of that time.

      Remember, Oduber promised a full review of the case. This has to be done, van der Straaten has to be brought back … anyone expect to see this?

      If not, then it’s more fodder for the ‘boycott Aruba’ movement. And maybe a travel advisory?

    24. Kloothommel on February 7th, 2008 10:22 am

      An small joke on an National radio show in the Netherlands.

      Joran van de Sloot admits that he has commited suicide.

      No one believes him anymore.

    25. john staton on February 7th, 2008 10:22 am

      Please remember that the real money for Aruba’s ruling class comes from the large movement of drugs to the Eastern 1/3 of North America. The police are on the take to protect this venture. Corruption is fundamental to the Aruba Police. Favors were called in on this one. I direct you to “Aruba, Drug Trafficer’s Paradise” which explains how this takes place. Aruba is so dirty they cannot come clean as there is not enough space in prison for all of them. The corruption of the drug traded perverts all of Aruba.

    26. katablog on February 7th, 2008 10:23 am

      #12 You ask a very hypothetical question because of course Joran isn’t innocent. Yet if you were with a girl who started showing signs of medical distress and you were fortunate enough to even have a cell phone on you, what would you do?

      Perhaps the answer is not what we’d like. Maybe it’s “I got scared and I ran; then I called the police anonymously and reported a body on the beach.” Or maybe instead of calling the police, you call daddy or a friend who offer to call the medics or the police for you.

      Okay, we can accept that. This is not what we would want for a 17 year old, but heck, not everyone reacts well under pressure.

      What we don’t expect is for the 17 year old not only to leave someone in medical distress, but then quickly contact someone not for medical help but for help disposing of the body!

      Why did Joran do this? It can’t be from simply having sex with Natalee. After all, if she’s really dead, no problem, tell the police it was consequential. What could be the worst thing that would happen to you in Aruba?

      Ah, could it because you know that when the police investigate they will learn that you gave the girl some sort of drug (“if they see that chit on her, you will get 15 years”), therefore it will come out that you 1)raped and 2) drugged this girl and caused her medical distress (which now looks like death to you)?

    27. Jerry from Ohio on February 7th, 2008 10:26 am

      Speaking about what #11 and 14 comments YES ad MD and super Dave have said YOU GO and DO the RIGHT thing ! Tell the truth and explain it the same way then for a Hundred times if you have too .
      Seems simple but if you are truthful the first time then you will never have to change your story NOW and tell people that your a lier .
      Added comment:> don’t these two names seem to just be popping up now ? seems a tad strange huh ? .
      Jerry from Ohio, who has used the same name on SM for over two years now . No Real reason to change it .

    28. Miss-Underestimated on February 7th, 2008 10:29 am


      Panic, panic would drive you to call 911, even if maybe someone really did not need it.

      Why did the person Joran called fell the dire need to also dispose of Natalee?

      Ever hear ” cooler heads prevail”?

      Ever called someone in a panic? The first thing out of their mouth is “CALM DOWN’

      What did the person who Joran called see? Why did he/she also feel that Natalee should be dumped in the sea? Why not hey, Joran leave her here, bring her to the hospital?

      Joran even claims he did not know if Natalee was dead when she was thrown into the sea.

      Perfume it all you want…a pig is a pig.

    29. Kloothommel on February 7th, 2008 10:31 am

      Sure, she could have been drugged by GHB, but she could have taken something herself also.

      I’m not rulin g out that something was slipped in her drink, but i’m also not ruling out self inflicted injury.

      An well, let’s not beat around the bush, all those teens going on springbreak ain’t going there for the scenery.

      They are going for Booze, drugs & sex, just watch all the spring break vids that are on the internet.

      Maybe the US should relax theire own rules on booze etc etc so theire youth don’t need to go to places like this without supervision.

      I would rather have my kids drunk in my own house than on an god forsaken island without any supervision, and believe me, one way or another they are gonna get drunk, with or without the parents.

    30. Rocky on February 7th, 2008 10:31 am

      What about the lies of the fat pig Joran calls his mother? She’s told the media that she has always told Joran to “tell the truth.”

      Get your 2×4 out Paulus and strap it on for a good ride. It’s all about to begin for you and your pathetic family.

    31. katablog on February 7th, 2008 10:32 am

      sorry my comments(#26)were not to #12 but to #11

    32. Karel on February 7th, 2008 10:37 am

      What is there was no beach? What if Joran went home and the broters raped her asking Joran to cover for them and otherwise put the blame on him….

      We know nothing and Peter destoyed almost every possibilty to find out more.
      The only thing we can conclude now is that Peter killed every possibility to surprise anyone else involved. He knew but he chose money and giving beth the weird “truth” she was looking for all along.

    33. kayjay on February 7th, 2008 10:42 am

      Another person who needs to do some explaining is Karin Bubblehead Janssen (?sp). I believe she is also involved. Anyone with any brains would never have exhonerated PVDS. It was through her the perp got 30,000 cash and a letter clearing him. Actually from my standpoint this is one of the worst parts of this whole cover up. I could never understand JQK being so mealy mouthed when he talked about her..even said he missed their conversations or something to that effect.
      If the Prime Minister does not follow through with an investigation one can only conclude he’s involved as well, which wouldn’t surprise me.
      Incidentally I do not believe Peter DeVries did this to water down the case and get JVDS off. IMO he wanted to see the monster arrested, and I don’t think he has yet told all he knows.
      Question? Does anyone know the names of the police other than DomPIG who were in this at the beginning? Question? Who has charge of forensic evidence that is handed over to the police? These people need to be hauled in and questioned too…as I said before Hans Mos has a LOT of work to do. I hope he does it.

    34. viet vet on February 7th, 2008 10:46 am

      Karel, you must either be a friend/family of Joran or work in damage control for his many lawyers. Peter has worked hard on this case, spent a sum of money and deserves any reward he receives. Joran is getting what he deserves, a lot of heat and rejection. I was there when van der Stratten said ” I can never arrest my best friend’s son, my god-child”., that was on the day after Natalee vanished. They were in the midst of a coverup at that time. Joran is not the main criminal in this case, there is enough wrong doing to really be spread around….Like the Aruban gov,. ALE, Charles Croes, Karin Jannsen, van der Stratten and of course the prime player, Paulus van der Sloot. Give us his timeline for May 30th,2005. Focus on the coverup and you know who did what. No need to look for others when you know who is guilty. Joran will tell us more if ALE doen’t have him killed. That is who he should worry about. He is the man who knows too much and talks too much. He lies, but there is some truth laced in the lies. Ask any expert on physcopaths. Her death is a crime, the coverup is a crime against humanity.

    35. SaladTossMan on February 7th, 2008 10:47 am

      “Four hundred year of oppression…and the VDS’ decided to accuse to BLACK security guards of being responsible for Natalee’s disappearance????….oh no they didn’t….black people from Aruba..rise up and open up a can of whoop ass on the blue-eyed VDS devils..mmhh..mhh…I know that’s right?!?!

    36. Karel on February 7th, 2008 10:51 am

      1:10 I say, confront some psyhiatrist or forensic psychologist with this, one with a good track record.
      (You americans dont know the vries etc, they have a shady record always protecting bigger criminals and victimizing everyone else)

      We know nothing except what De Vries(a narcistic asperger with criminal ties) wants us to know.

    37. Rob on February 7th, 2008 10:59 am

      Viet Vet – of course Joran is HIDING – from the ALE and no one else. He’s opened up all the wrong doings they have been committing against a lot of other families. Namely Yvonne DeVries and her son Max. Of Course that is not to mention all the crimes they committed against Natalee and her Family.

      As I have always said – This is a State Sanctioned Murder.

      I’d be worried too if I have the Gestapo on my tail.

    38. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 11:03 am

      Karel, you sound upset that Joran has finally been caught. The cover up has been exposed and the dirty little secrets of Aruba are out in the open for the world to see.

      Rocky, Talk about a pig with lipstick; imagine Anita waddling over to school. Okay kids, today we are working on the most important letters of the Alphabet. Repeat after me……


      Got it kids? Let’s all say it again louder…


      Later this afternoon we are going to have a spelling B. Here is the word list:

      CORRUPTION (big word, sorry)
      GANG RAPE (2 words, I know)

      Okay kids, this will be almost everything you need to know to be successful in Aruba when you grow up.

      Lunch Break……..

      Okay kids, I am so excited to get started. Who wants to pick teams? Oh, I know Paulus and Joran are a team. We need new teams for the next generation!

    39. Karel on February 7th, 2008 11:03 am


      I’m not the one thinking onedimensional and turning lies into truth. I’m not the one broadcasing stuff that makes finding the truth almost impossible.
      For all I care Joran gets a life sentence if there’s proof he raped and killed Natalee.

    40. Richard on February 7th, 2008 11:07 am

      Far as I know, nobody forced joran to make the revelations that he did on tape. Or is Karel now advocating that Joran sue Peter deVries, a la the Kalpoes?

      I don’t believe that Joran is telling the whole truth, but whatever he did say came forth voluntarily. Let’s hope that we can fill in the missing pieces.

      Meanwhile, let’s continue spreading the message: boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.

    41. Karel on February 7th, 2008 11:12 am

      “Okay kids, I am so excited to get started. Who wants to pick teams? Oh, I know Paulus and Joran are a team. We need new teams for the next generation!”

      See, this is what happens now. The real sicko’s show their face. “Excited” Damn you are so sick.

      Who wants the truth leaves options open if they exist and hopes for minimal damage to everyone and everything involved that is either unguily or victim.

      A we have now is proof of outsiders trying to kill possibilities to find the truth and people like the once I cited who are looking for blame blame blame showing their messed up mind in the process.

    42. dave on February 7th, 2008 11:14 am

      Karel = the TROLL kelmel
      SM: Nope, not this time…this is a different troll, a Dutch one (klaasend)

    43. Karel on February 7th, 2008 11:22 am

      Tell me; Knowing it might still be possible, can you hope for the scenario in which Beth and Joran forgive eachother, even supporting eachother in getting over this drama?

      Can you? Can you? Can you?

      If you can, you are welcome in my house in Holland. Nomatter how this plays out.

      And I promise you, in Holland, The Netherlands you will find more people than anywhere else on this planet that are like you.
      SM: ARE YOU NUTS? (klaasend)

    44. Denise on February 7th, 2008 11:26 am

      Karel sounds like Joe Taco (undercover)… Maybe Taco should move his practice to Aruba and reside with the Vanderslutts… i bet Judge Paulas would even hire his as an associate – I hope Taco is getting paid good by Paulas because his reputation is now about as bad as it can get.

    45. MikefrMd on February 7th, 2008 11:29 am


      You have got to be kidding…if not put down the mushrooms.

    46. Richard on February 7th, 2008 11:31 am

      What in hell is #43 supposed to be talking about?

      Meanwhile … another question. It says on another thread that Paulus van der Scum has admitted to smuggling a cell phone in to Joran while he was in prison. If that is so, and given his other changes of testimony (such as saying he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. … oops, sorry, that was 11 p.m. … even though Joran’s latest ‘confession’ suggests that the whole thing was yet another lie, IF Joran is truthful) …

      wouldn’t you think that Aruba might be suspending Pvd Scum’s license to practice law there? At least, on the assumption that a lawyer has an obligation to support justice and tell the truth?

      (I know; that’s quite a stretch, especially in Aruba, but image is image….)

      I’m just wondering, also, if it ever will be cleared up who Shango/Simian, etc., really were.

    47. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 11:32 am

      Karel, Peter de Vries has obtained hero status and a hero’s welcome on US soil for his work on this case. Patrick made a great sacrifice to get this information. There is a saying here in America. If you lie with dogs, you get fleas. Patrick had to embrace evil to gain the truth. He said that he could not continue on. 20 hours is quite enough and it is not all the evidence they have. Peter told Beth himself that he had more.

      Peter showed his evidence to the prosecutor, to Beth and now the world. It is niave to think that by continuing their undercover operation, they would get more answers.

      With a scum bag like Joran with protection to the tops of your government, answers are hard to come by indeed!

    48. Miss-Underestimated on February 7th, 2008 11:37 am


      Why worry if Beth forgives? and what would Joran have to forgive Beth for?

      Anita, I don’t think you have to worry about the Americans being the ones filled with hate, look in your backyard.

    49. J O on February 7th, 2008 11:37 am

      From ArubaGetAGrip:

      “Prime Minister Oduber said on the Dutch program Nova that Aruba, according to calculations, has suffered damages of a few millions of dollars from the Holloway case.

      He said that just now that the economy has started to improve, once again this case is getting much negative attention.”

      Is this man the dumbest BASTARD alive? He shows the same insensitivity as J-Urine! Without a doubt the ROTTEN apples fall close to the tree.

    50. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 11:38 am

      Karel, Joran needs to forgive Beth for what exactly? Should she be sorry she had but one daughter for him to rape and murder? Should we be sending him a supply?

    51. SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 11:41 am


    52. SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 11:42 am


    53. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 11:44 am

      #46 (Richard) where is the thread where the scum bucket Paulus admitted to smuggling junior scum bucket, Joran, a cell phone?

      It is obstruction of justice and it is a crime, but it may not be a crime in Aruba. Most crimes are celebrated in Aruba. Heck, Judge Wit is probably patting Paulus’ back right now this very moment.

    54. Bob on February 7th, 2008 11:46 am

      The only way to end this thing is to send in 3 teams of Navy Seals with instructions: no prisoners.

    55. Karel on February 7th, 2008 11:48 am

      “SM: ARE YOU NUTS?”

      No, I’m Dutch. And I know you know I’m probably not nuts. You would have deleted my message if you did.

      See you in Holland!
      SM: You won’t be seeing me anywhere near Holland ;) (klaasend)

    56. charlie on February 7th, 2008 11:51 am

      I am not defending anyone, but all coins have two sides, when will justice dept, of Aruba,
      holand or u.s.a. start with the investigation
      of Beth and stepfather, that never took place …

      SM: Never, because there is nothing to investigate. Joran and those who helped him kidnap Natalee and dispose of her body are the guilty ones. The world knows now. (klaasend)

    57. Karel on February 7th, 2008 12:02 pm

      “SM: You won’t be seeing me anywhere near Holland”

      If that’s because of anything concerning this drama, feel free to delete these crazy messages of mine. I won’t think less of you.
      I have nothing to add to the many responses here anyway.


    58. dennisintn on February 7th, 2008 12:08 pm

      this morning, fox news had a 4 yr. old boy who saved his mother’s life by dialing 9ll and reporting that his mother had a heart attack. it turned out to be a serious insulin reaction but at least the kid didn’t drown his mother in a fit of panic.

    59. Richard on February 7th, 2008 12:08 pm

      Betsy (#53) … It’s not a thread by itself. EURobert posted an article (I had posted it earlier) in a thread or two back. It says that PvdS admitted doing this; however, the article is from an Aruban newspaper, so who knows.

      Meanwhile, it looks as though Joran has emerged:
      CNN is reporting that he’s meeting with Dutch investigators now (at least according to Tacopino).

      CNN also says that there is STILL no decision from the judicial panel in Curacao on whether the deVries tapes of Joran’s ‘confession’ justify his arrest. How do you spell Ric Smit?

      (CNN) — Joran van der Sloot is meeting with investigators Thursday in the Netherlands in response to the recently released videotape in the Natalee Holloway case, his U.S.-based attorney said.

      The exact location of that meeting was not disclosed, but van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, said his client has “agreed to answer any questions.”

      In the video that aired Sunday on Dutch television, van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway, told a man he was with the Alabama teen on an Aruban beach when she apparently died and that a friend of his with a boat disposed of Holloway’s body.

      Van der Sloot later said the statements were lies, and on Monday, Tacopina said the video contains “no admission of a crime.”

      The lawyer said facts in the case contradict two assertions van der Sloot made in the video, including that the boat-owner friend mentioned wasn’t in Aruba in May 2005.

      Meanwhile, prosecutors are still awaiting a decision from a three-judge appellate panel on the nearby Caribbean island of Curacao as to whether van der Sloot can be arrested in reaction to the video.

      The chief prosecutor in Aruba, Hans Mos, was denied an initial attempt to arrest van der Sloot by the investigating judge last Sunday.

      The judge determined that numerous pretrial detentions of van der Sloot in the past have created a “high bar” that current circumstances do not meet.

      The prosecutor appealed the judge’s decision on Tuesday, and the appellate panel will have eight days to respond.

      Holloway disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

      Mos dropped charges against the three men in December, saying he couldn’t be sure of a conviction.

    60. charlie on February 7th, 2008 12:09 pm

      where are the proves, do you have them Klaasje?
      The only happy guy is de vries, he got 5 millio $
      paid stupid patrick 35 thousand $ for a lied , drugged confession, that no system can use.
      what does the world know ?
      SM: Go away Charlie – it’s over. The world knows the authorities in Aruba knew what happened to Natalee but covered it up. (klaasend)

    61. MikefrMd on February 7th, 2008 12:13 pm


      Good Grief….come on now….you have a perp who has offer up a confession on his own will and you bring up that kind of crap….what do you need a video of the crime?

    62. Deetch on February 7th, 2008 12:28 pm

      ****Breaking news on CNN******

      Spencer Bacchus just arrested in Dulles Airport Bathroom.

    63. Peter on February 7th, 2008 12:29 pm

      The interesting thing to me is that Van Der Sloot’s taped “confession” still has holes in it…if all he was doing was making out with her on the beach and she starts to shake violently and become unresponsive, why have someone take her body out to sea??….why not call the police or get help?..after all, according to his story, he’s done nothing wrong to that point (no battery, no drugging, no rape, etc)…the only reason you make an attempt to hide a body is if it IMPLICATES YOU IN A CRIME and that’s exactly what we have here.

    64. Karel on February 7th, 2008 12:37 pm

      “SM: Go away Charlie – it’s over.”

      It’s not over untill the undeniable truth is out there and the ones guilty are put into jail after a fair trial.

      Trust me, this is not over yet. There’s rumours the Dutch intelligence agency is getting involved because the Aruban justice system has been sabotaged.
      It’s only getting started.
      SM: What I meant was it’s over for Joran. Even if Joran isn’t rearrested his life is over. He will never be a free man. Aruba will always be known as the island that covers up crime (klaasend)

    65. SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 12:40 pm

      charlie: when will a real investigation of corruption and murder begin in aruba starting with the sloots(all three of them) the cops, chief of police, the kalpoes, all the friends involved and citizens like you ? give us this answer and we will give you one. let me guess. you can’t do this ! trolls are paid to to try to derail the real events that happened here. why don’t you do the people of aruba, holland, and us a favor and get yourself a real job ?

    66. charlie on February 7th, 2008 12:42 pm

      your a stupid jackass klaasje, not man enough to face a real man, homo zeker ,homos zijn niet welkom op Aruba.
      a lot of bullshit crap on this stupid site, klaasje , weet je wat MARIKO betekent , vraag een antilliaan… Ha , Ha
      SM: I’m letting this post go through just to show what some of the Arubans are like. By the way you are correct, I’m not man enough for anyone…maybe that’s because I’m a woman :) (klaasend)

    67. Karel on February 7th, 2008 12:44 pm

      You don’t know that SM, you can’t.

      “Even if Joran isn’t rearrested his life is over. He will never be a free man.”

      Is that what you want, even if he turns out to be unguilty of murder, unguilty of dumping her body, unguilty of rape and unguilty of knowing what someone else did to her?

    68. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 12:45 pm


      Joe Taco says Joran will “answer any questions”

      From CNN

      (CNN) — Joran van der Sloot is meeting with investigators Thursday in the Netherlands in response to the recently released videotape in the Natalee Holloway case, his U.S.-based attorney said.

      The exact location of that meeting was not disclosed, but van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, said his client has “agreed to answer any questions.”




    69. katablog on February 7th, 2008 12:46 pm

      I guess some new posters here don’t understand that we’ve been through the troll syndrome enough times in the last three years that we are quite conditioned to it.

      It takes a very evil person to even try to defend Joran right now, assuming they have actually watched the tapes of Joran talking to Patrick.

      Dear Trolls:
      We are quite use to your type running in and bad mouthing anyone who exposes Joran or his family. We’ve spent 3 years now hearing how Jossy Mansur is supposedly a bad guy, yet the only person on Aruba who helped Beth, Dave, Jug and family. So now you want to start on Patrick and DeVries. Save it for someone who might believe you. We won’t. Personally I don’t care if they were both ax murderers before they exposed Joran. What I care about is that they did expose Joran and this is not some fairy tale cooked up by them since we already know about the previous confession (June 2005)where Joran said that Natalee had a “seizure”.

    70. EURobert on February 7th, 2008 12:47 pm

      Karel #64

      “…There’s rumours the Dutch intelligence agency is getting involved …”

      De AIVD? Tell me more! Hadn’t heard about that yet. What are your sources on that?

    71. Scarlet on February 7th, 2008 12:49 pm


      Pray tell who sabotaged the Aruban justice system?

    72. charlie on February 7th, 2008 12:50 pm



    73. mommytraveler on February 7th, 2008 12:56 pm

      It was reported on Gretawire that Steve Croes is an EMT or has EMT training. Supposedly he needed to be EMT certified to be on the party boat. If true, might explain why Joran might have called him when Natalee became unresponsive.

      However, I am inclined to believe that none of this happened on the beach but at the VanderSloot home.

      Joran’s brothers must be reading all this on the internet. Must make Anita cringe.
      SM: The Steve Croes in Aruba that was an EMT was a different Steve Croes. Whoever posted that on Gretawire is wrong (klaasend)

    74. boywonder on February 7th, 2008 12:57 pm

      how many now think the reason Paulus didnt get the judgeship was because he was a cocaine addict???
      There had to be a very good reason PVDS didnt get to be a judge because from what we have seen of the judges down there just failing an exam wouldnt be enough. Could someone call in Larry King tonight and ask De Vries if he knows why Jorans Papi didnt get the judge job????/

    75. RM on February 7th, 2008 12:58 pm

      Just in: Patrick the informant denied entry to US re a 13 year old drug conviction.

    76. RM on February 7th, 2008 1:00 pm

      SM: Yes, I saw that. Not necessary for him to appear live in the USA anyway but too bad won’t be allowed in (klaasend)

    77. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 1:02 pm

      Deetch #62 can you please explain the significance of Spencer Bacchus being arrested?

    78. Miss-Underestimated on February 7th, 2008 1:08 pm

      Whoa, full forced troll invasion. Yep that usually happens when we get close to the quick.

      Just in

      Anita found her camera….on Daury’s boat

    79. RM on February 7th, 2008 1:08 pm

      True, Klaas, but kinda silly imo.
      SM: I agree (klaasend)

    80. Michael Martin on February 7th, 2008 1:09 pm

      Dear SM -
      My name is Michael Martin and I am an American freelance journalist living in Holland. I am writing an article on the Holloway case for Amsterdam Weekly and need to contact Art Wood. Do any of you monkeys have a contact number for him? My numbers for an Ocala, Florida address are coming up blank. Appreciate any help.
      Sincerely, Michael Martin

    81. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 1:10 pm

      Not to minimize the value of an EMT, because I happen to be one, but they are not authorized to determine whether or not someone is alive.

      If the victim meets the criteria of dead and this is determined by a 3 lead ECG, the medical doctor in the ED is called on the phone, a description of the pt. condition is given, and ONLY the doctor can call it a death in the field.

      Therefore, even if Joran van der Scum called an EMT, he could not determine whether or not Natalee was dead without consulting a physician with the findings.

      Also, without equipment, an EMT, Nurse, or Physician can only offer a minimal amount of assistance in an emergency. Hence, the reason many physicians carry a basic medical kit with them on planes and other trips. Short of a bit of CPR, C-spine immobilization, stopping bleeding (within reason) there is not a lot an EMT can do without equipment.

    82. mommytraveler on February 7th, 2008 1:10 pm

      You can easly email Larry King at his webside. He loves to get questions from the public and uses them in all his interviews.

      Don’t bother asking about the cell phone that Paulus supplied Joran while in prison – I have already asked that. Supposedly, Paulus has already denied he supplied Joran illegally with a cell phone – I now wonder if he did it legally. Or is Paulus saying that Joran lied? Imagine that, lying about his father. Who next – maybe, Anita.

    83. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 1:12 pm

      I just reread my statement and there is a correction:

      An EMT cannot determine death without the assistance of a qualified medical doctor.

    84. Richard on February 7th, 2008 1:15 pm

      I think that Deetch (#62) is making it up.

      As for Patrick, we are keeping him out but we admitted the van der Sloots … well, enough said.
      His having been convicted on a drug charge isn’t proof, or even evidence, that what Joran told him isn’t true.

      However, I agree totally with Peter (#63). Lots and lots of holes.

      The Kalpoes, he says, are “innocent” … hmm, so why did Deepak say that “all three had sex with Natalee. You’d be surprised how easy it was.”

      Maybe the answers are in those portions of the tapes that we have not yet seen?

      One thing that strikes me … if I remember, in those portions of the tapes that we’ve seen so far, the details about Natalee BEGIN with her collapse. They’re on the beach, and suddenly she goes into a spasm.

      Joran didn’t say anything about the time BEFORE that, did he?

      It’s very possible that the Kalpoes, and perhaps/probably others, were involved in a gang assault. Then the others went away, leaving her with Joran.

      Only then did she shudder, collapse and pass out … IF it happened that way at all. IF it isn’t yet another lie from someone who has been dishonest since day one.

      Maybe the Kalpoes weren’t involved in disposing of Natalee’s body. But I don’t think that PvdScum paid their legal bills, early on, because he’s a humanitarian.

    85. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 1:15 pm

      Although it should be noted that in Aruba where anything goes, perhaps an EMT is qualified to do everything. Word is that their medicine is crap and doctors are leaving anyway due to no money to take care of patients.

    86. Richard on February 7th, 2008 1:20 pm

      Joran quote from my write-up for last year’s Boston protest against Aruba Tourism Authority:

      “I lied and that’s the truth.”

      Somehow I don’t think that his rules of the game have changed. I’m sure that some details of his confession are accurate; but how much of it?

    87. Scott on February 7th, 2008 1:30 pm

      The problem with stupid Arubans and stupid Dutch people who are in here defending Joran and the corrupt Aruban police force are in serious DENIAL MODE! They can’t explain 48 hours after Natalee disappeared, Dennis Jacobs asked Beth and Jug if Natalee had epilepsy or seizures. Joran in the tape under NO duress and totally comfortable talked about Natalee going into seizures. The only person Jacobs could get that info from is one of the suspects and Joran exposed himself as that person in the uncoerced (sp?) video.

      The seizure question is the “smoking gun” that a cover up was in and still is in full effect today! Arubans who defend Joran have no answer for that. It’s impossible.

      Wake up morons (only speaking to those that defend Joran)! He pulled the wool over your eyes and set Aruba back decades.

    88. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 1:31 pm

      Hans Mos on vacation???????

      This is from Gretawire:

      From: Silfies, Tim
      To: Van Susteren, Greta; Cooper, Meade; Tarrant, Angela
      Sent: Thu Feb 07 11:23:30 2008
      Subject: Prosecutor’s Office

      Just spoke to Dope Kruimel, a Press Prosecutor at the Prosecutor’s Office. She told me some interesting information about the case.

      On Tuesday, the Prosecutor’s Office filed an appeal by fax to a 3 judge panel in Curacao asking for pre-trial detention of Joran Van der Sloot. However, tomorrow by noon is when the Prosecutor’s Office is required to give the full case file to the 3 judge panel. In other words, all of the evidence/information that the panel will be basing its decision on will not be in their possession until tomorrow. The panel is expected to rule next week.

      Hans Mos is with his family in Holland, on a pre-planned holiday. The Press Prosecutor also confirmed that Van der Sloot has offered to meet with investigators in Holland, and that he will do so sometime in the future. She will not say when.

    89. kayjay on February 7th, 2008 1:36 pm

      Wonder what story JVDS and Tacopina have cooked up for Han Mos! Beth has always said she’d like JVDA to take a lie detector test..he’d probably pass with flying colors!..Sodium thats a different matter!

    90. kayjay on February 7th, 2008 1:40 pm

      I am curious about Jamie Skeeters tape….was it ever decided if it was tampered with? The poor man is dead now so he won’t be able to be called as a witness. Does anyone know where the case will actually be heard if it goes forward?

    91. Kloothommel on February 7th, 2008 1:49 pm

      @SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 12:40 pm

      “you can’t do this ! trolls are paid to to try to derail the real events that happened here. why don’t you do the people of aruba, holland, and us a favor and get yourself a real job ?”

      Whe don’t need jobs, we own large pieces of the US (and this is not bullshit), the Netherlands is the biggest european investor in the US.

      So cut the crap and stay on the topic, Joran is the main suspect in this case, not the dutch govervenment, not the Aruban Government, just Joran, nothing more, nothing less.

      Corruption exists in every state en will be delt with accordently if proven.

      And for ya’ll start yelling at me.

      Remember “He who’s without sin, throw the first rock”

    92. SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 1:49 pm

      CHARLIE: i bet you are a big chickenshit ! a real man is definitely not you boy! how old are you ? 9, 10, sleep with mommy, wet your pants, like your brothers. i bet you have a teddy bear.
      you are just a small troll and won’t amount to a zit on a real troll’s butt.

    93. Kloothommel on February 7th, 2008 1:53 pm

      @kayjay on February 7th, 2008 1:36 pm

      Sodium pentathol???

      You watch way to many movies.

    94. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 1:58 pm

      Dr. Hodges thoughtprint analysis of Joran’s confession:

    95. Scott on February 7th, 2008 2:08 pm

      These morons STILL can’t explain how Dennis Jacobs already knew about Natalee’s seizure? There is no reason for a competent police officer to ask that question unless he information otherwise. The only person(s) who knew that information were the 3 main suspects.

      CORRUPTION! No matter how you slice it Kloothommel or charlie or every other half brained Aruban, that is corruption and can easily be proven by two things: Joran’s OWN admission and the question posed to Beth and Jug 48 hours after they arrived on the island….

      Go eat a fat one!

    96. brie on February 7th, 2008 2:16 pm

      Just how much more are these trolls going to try and do to Natalee’s family…for God sake..who in their right mind would defend Joran, except for those that are also guilty…

    97. flippy on February 7th, 2008 2:28 pm

      I remember the question about seizures being a question early on.

      Is there any written documents(official police statements) that seizures are mentioned in, or was this a passing question from Jacobs (a.k.a fishing expedition)?

    98. Karel on February 7th, 2008 2:28 pm

      Well, America is finally starting to get to know Peter like we know him. This guy is always surrounded by criminals worse than the ones he’s after.

      Why AIVD involved? Good friend of mine owns lawyer practice and he knows quite a bit about corruption on Aruba and the special status of the country. He sais the AIVD has wanted to cleanup the mess there for very long but were not able to. Because there’s new terrorism agreements etc he’s certain AIVD has enough now to get involved.

      Let’s just hope the whole stinking mess surrounding this drama will come out. And please people, I’m not defending anyone. One sober look at it all makes only one conclusion possible at this point. There’s much more than just Joran and publicly scapegoating him this way this early is contraproductive in getting more answers.

    99. mommytraveler on February 7th, 2008 2:31 pm

      So Han Mos goes on vacation at this critical time? Maybe, he’s visiting with that first Prosecutor Karen who also just happened to go on vacation during a critical time. They can compare notes on how to avoid the seemingly impossible. Hans, you might want to ask Karen what her relationship is/was with Paulus. He seems to get around a lot for a failed judge.


    100. Scott on February 7th, 2008 2:33 pm

      Karel/charlie: Actually, the tape can be used in Aruba since it wasn’t done by the Dutch government but by a citizen. Know your facts before you spew them. Drug induced? All 20 hours were drug induced? Nice try…We only saw Joran with one joint in one video… Drug induced? Obviously you’ve never smoked marijuana if you think that is being “drug induced!” Loser! You two are tools of the nth degree! Weed is not a truth serum. Weed did not make Joran run his fat mouth. He was under NO DURESS and on his own free volition spilled the beans! There is nothing ILLEGAL about the way this admission was obtained. Deal with it! The idiot couldn’t wait to talk, because he’s been quiet for so long. He even said so himself when he was released last month.

    101. MikefrMd on February 7th, 2008 2:35 pm


      I’m not so sure they are defending Joren more that their defending Aruba and Holland’s handling of this case.

      We now have evidence that Aruba from day 2 knew Natalee had a reaction to some kind of drug…IMO most likely a date rape drug….no matter how one cuts it that looks bad for LE especially form Aruba.

      Cronism helped cover up this crime and now they have gotten themselves so deep in this crap they can’t figure out a way out of it without completely wiping out their economy. Can you imagine the reaction if their leaders now admit to a coverup after almost 3 years of misdirection.

    102. Amy on February 7th, 2008 2:35 pm

      Did anyone notice Paulus sitting next to Natalee in the casino on the clip they showed on 20/20? The next thing you know, his son was the last person seen with her. Sounds quite fishy to me.

    103. JimboB on February 7th, 2008 2:36 pm

      I had another dream about Natalee last night:

      Natalee and I went to one of her favorite stores to go shopping for clothes. She loved it. It was so great to see her happy. Everything she tried on she looked great in. She ended up getting a white jacket with “Natalee” spelled on it, not “Natalie” and a pair of shorts. Then when we got home, my girlfriend took a Sharpie and spelled “Hootie” on the shorts in calligraphy. Natalee thought it was the cutest thing ever. Later that night, we made some popcorn and sat down to watch one of Natalee’s favorite movies… “The Wizard of Oz!” She absolutely loved it. I liked it too. But most of all, it was just nice to see Natalee smiling. After the movie, Natalee started talking to me about how excited she was about this upcoming class trip to an island. I had no idea and didn’t know anything about it so didn’t think much of it. I woke up shortly after that, wishing I would of asked her more about the island. Its as if in this dream, I completely forgot that Natalee was missing, which is odd and somewhat interesting. I didn’t even know anything when she started talking about the trip to Aruba. This is which makes my dreams particularly interesting and its why I’m documenting them. Please share your thoughts with me!

      Heres my latest poem BTW… its called “Always be a part of me…”

      Many people would trade this in for something different
      To presure or dream or fulfil or a gift
      But not me
      Because you’ve changed my life
      You’ve opened my heart
      And made it all worthwhile with your smile

      I know in my heart that you will never die
      Its too late now
      You’ll forever and always be a part of me
      You will guide me and direct me in every decision I make
      You’ve inspired me
      You’ve changed my life for the better
      You’ve opened so many doors you’ll never ever know

      And you’ll forever and always be a part of me
      When your nights get a little bit harder to get through
      You can lean on me
      I will help you get through
      Just like you’ve helped me
      Your are an amazing person
      Your here in my heart to stay

      Your story has touched so many peoples lives
      Your smile has brightened so many peoples days
      And you’ll forever be with me and them
      Until the end of time
      Until that wonderful day when we will meet
      And I can only imagine what that day will be like
      And its a day worth fighting for
      Your worth fighting for
      Until that day comes true
      We love you

      PLEASE let me know your thoughts!


    104. Kloothommel on February 7th, 2008 2:37 pm

      @Scott on February 7th, 2008 2:08 pm

      Ill give you an few hints.

      If an 18+ person goes missing and there is no sign off crime the police will regard that case as an person that voluntary went missing (like running away).

      UNLESS that person has an illness wich causes blackouts like seizure’s etc etc

      So the quistion by the police isn’t really that odd.

      So an small recap.

      1. Natalee goes missing, is 18+ no sign of crime => little action by police

      2. Natalee goes missing, is 18+ no sign of crime, but natalee is ill, thn police will take much more action than in option 1. (due to illness)

      3. Natalee goes missing, is 18+ sign of crime => Police will consider case as crime and not as missing persons case.

      So if Joran was not seen with natalee then this case would be an cold case 3 years ago.

    105. Achilles on February 7th, 2008 2:39 pm

      Had 6- 8 months to write a book, but couldnt take 1 minute to call an amulance!
      May You Get Whats Coming To You Sporter.

    106. Richard on February 7th, 2008 2:40 pm

      “Hans Mos is with his family in Holland, on a pre-planned holiday.”

      Er … did he take a page from Karin Janssen’s book? Or is he over in the Netherlands on Joran-related stuff, and it is being downplayed?

      Or, possibly, did he (again like Karin Janssen) hand-carry some crucial stuff to Holland, perhaps because he doesn’t trust his Aruban staff?

    107. Richard on February 7th, 2008 2:49 pm

      Mike (#101) … Regardless what Aruba thinks, says, or does, its economy is on the skids.

      Let’s help make sure it goes over the precipice.

      Remember, folks, Aruba is mainly dependent on tourism. And 80% of its tourists have been from America (maybe including Canada; I don’t know).

      Do you want more Americans going there?
      Do you want to hear that the “isolated case of Natalee Holloway” won’t affect future tourism?
      Do you want the casinos, hotels, and airlines to take a deep breath and say, “Hey, that’s over! Now let’s send more sheep to Aruba!”

      I don’t.

      Last year I organized a protest in Boston, at a tourism promotion event by Aruba Tourism Authority, to let it know that business as usual is over.

      No justice for Natalee … no tourism for Aruba.

      That was the motto of those of us who showed up.

      That still is the motto, as far as I know.

      Aruba, at the end of this month, will be back in Boston, as well as in New York. The Northeast is a major market for Aruban tourism, or was.

      Let’s do what we can to let Aruba know that we are not going away. Now or EVER.

      Stand up for Natalee. Stand up for potential future victims. Stand up for justice and decency.

      Vicki is running things now. Write to her at If you can’t or won’t go to the protests, consider supporting those who will.

      Spread the word.

      Write letters.

      Remember, the “money powers” don’t care about Natalee. They want people to go to Aruba, or at least pay to go.

      Don’t give up the fight for justice. If you and I won’t, who will?

    108. john staton on February 7th, 2008 2:50 pm

      Ok Karel et all, I will forgive Joran right after the Jews forgive HITLER!!!!!! JS

    109. brie on February 7th, 2008 2:50 pm

      I think there is really something wrong with the video of Natalee entering the casino…I doubt if she walked in all by herself…

    110. Richard on February 7th, 2008 2:54 pm

      Question for EURobert or our other Dutch friends:

      Just wondering … would anyone be interested in promoting the ‘boycott Aruba’ movement on the Dutch side of the water?

      I know that EURobert has said that he doesn’t support the notion of boycotting Aruba … perhaps his views are changing as the Dutch display increasing disgust at Joran, and perhaps at the legacy of their rule in Aruba?

      Only an idea … but if anyone does think it’s a worthwhile task, I’m sure the moderators here will be willing to pass on an e-mail to me.

      What better way for the Dutch to show where their hearts are in this matter, than by enlisting in the boycott Aruba movement?

    111. brie on February 7th, 2008 3:14 pm

      Richard, I thought Hans Mos lived in the Netherlands…

    112. Karel on February 7th, 2008 3:15 pm

      “Karel/charlie: Actually, the tape can be used in Aruba since it wasn’t done by the Dutch government”

      I don’t know if that’s true but it doesn’t matter anyway. The greatest “crime” in finding the truth was broadcasting this tape way to early. It’s the most obvious and clean obstruction of justice there is. And also if it’s not about justice it’s the best way to guaranty you will never know more than what’s you taped.

      Just ask any experienced lawyer, investigator or intelligence expert with a good record in any country. If you do an undercover operation YOU DO NOT make anything public before you’ve extensively used the gathered information to gain supporting proof. Any other behaviour will always strengthen the legal position of the person under surveillance and it will always generate more options for other people involved to cover up their tracks.
      This case is even worse. The tapes contain a confession(no matter how suspicious) that was verifiably incorrect in most important aspects.
      That alone should be enough not to go public yet.

      De Vries knew this, Aruban Justice department knew this and Beth Twitty could easily have known this because she had several days to ask any lawyer anywhere in the world.

    113. SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 3:23 pm

      KLOOTHOMMEL: i don’t see anywhere on this site that i have called you out or called you a troll. so far you have given what i consider straight answers to most questions. sorry you take offense but if that is the way you feel, that is your business. i could have said stick a .45 in his mouth and pull the trigger like some of the others if that would make you feel better. my only concern is Natalee. europe, business, investments, are of no concern to me. i see you feel the need to call me out so go ahead and vent, name call, whatever you feel you need to do. it makes no difference to me. a short harley ride will cure anything you or anyone like you could possibly throw at me. maybe charlie and karel are part of your family.if so or not, they need manners. eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

    114. Richard on February 7th, 2008 3:25 pm

      I’m not sure, Brie, but his going there at this time, with Natalee’s case at the stage it is in, sounds to me either the most incredible of coincidences or having something behind it … whatever that might be.

      Here’s the latest comment from the Persistence:

      Over the past couple nights, the world tuned in along with the search team and watched the mottled confessions of Joran van der Sloot. The confessions filled the search team with resolve, renewing our assurance that if Natalee Holloway can be found in the ocean we will find her.

    115. Bob on February 7th, 2008 3:25 pm

      Everyone has an opinion and will defend that opinion with vigor. I must say, Dr. Hodges’ examination of the Joran confession tapes, and his 2/7/08 update on the thoughtprints website was EXCEPTIONAL. EXCEPTIONAL, direct, and probably the best explanation of events that lines up w/o an actual film crew taping the events of the night Natalee went missing.

      It is a MUST read if you haven’t done so already. Supporters and trolls – everyone would benefit.

    116. chris on February 7th, 2008 3:30 pm

      Carpe, could you once more give us the link to the picture of what we thought was Natalee’s green& white top. I can’t recall if it actually existed or only in your film, but for some reason I thought it was one of the items sent to Holland. Please correct if I’m off….

    117. Karel on February 7th, 2008 3:30 pm

      Boycot Aruba? I don’t know about that.

      Just do something to make sure investigations don’t stop here. That should probably be enough to cleanup the country without hurting the very kind normal people living there.

    118. Kloothommel on February 7th, 2008 3:36 pm

      @SUPER DAVE on February 7th, 2008 3:23 pm

      It’s just i’m getting an little tired off all this name calling between there and here, that does help this case one bit, so please take no offense to my ramblings.

      Simply do not feed the trolls, that’s what they want.

      @Richard on February 7th, 2008 2:54 pm

      Actually, the dutch would love to get rid off those damn money consuming islands, but thats not possible to oure regret, whe allready had an politician who actually said that those islands should be put on ebay.
      Maybe whe could sell them to the US, then you could easely spy on Chavez ;-)

    119. Terri on February 7th, 2008 3:39 pm

      I totally agree #115, also the interview between Beth and Greta.

    120. Richard on February 7th, 2008 3:43 pm

      Karel (#112) … How do you know that deVries didn’t investigate these thoroughly? As I recall, the interviewing and taping went on for some time.

      And according to the deVries site (vide this excerpt, dated two days ago), Aruba seems to find his findings convincing. It says that Joran has been declared, formally, a murder suspect.

      Not just involved … a murder suspect. The Dutch are known for their linguistic fluency, so I assume that he is using words precisely:

      “Joran van der Sloot is now a formal murder suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, according to the Aruban public prosecution office. On Sunday Peter R. de Vries revealed he was involved in the disappearance of the 18-year old American girl in 2005.”

      As for the innocent Aruban people … on the same basis, you could argue against our sanctions on North Korea. Skip it.

      The innocent Aruban people have sat by for nearly three years … that is, when they weren’t maligning Natalee’s family … and let their government try to conceal the truth.

      The same government is still in place.

      Let the people feel the pain of the fallout. I’m more concerned with protecting my own people. If that hurts Aruba … it’s always got its drug trade to fall back on.

    121. Sherry on February 7th, 2008 3:43 pm

      # 104 you are really reaching out on that one.

    122. Maggie on February 7th, 2008 3:45 pm

      Karel? Joran was drugged and didn’t know what he was doing? Think you have that backwards.. It was Joran who went to Carlos n Charlies underage with his VIP pass along with the Kalpoes and moved in on an intoxicated female at closing time. It was also Joran who bought Natalee the rum151 at another bar in the place on the way out.

      Tooo funny cops ask about seizures to her family because no sign of crime just days after Natalee’s gone and yet wait 10 days for body searches of the last ones with Natalee.. no questions much, no home searches for at least 10 days, no car searches, when they knew right off Joran lied. He was shown a picture of Natalee and said he don’t know her or her name.. he then went with them to the Holiday Inn to show where they left her.. Deepak told them once place, Joran another. Asked them to point out the guards, they couldn’t do it. Besides there were NO guards wearing that color of clothing who worked at Holiday Inn, yet the cops went out and arrested 2 black security guards at daylight, searched their homes and arrested.. still no search of the last known 3 with her.. The guards had alibis.. Beth was saying turn them loose, they didn’t do nothing. 2 days after Natalee disappeared, Beth with the cops watched the surveillance tape of the Holiday Inn and seen that Natalee did not return, still they arrested guards.. One of the guards said, Deepak was in with him, and Deepak told him, the Dutch guy’s father and the Dutch guy and the Kalpoes etc.. sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie.. Joran used that the first night Beth and the cops arrived, which means, it was made up before it was even public knowledge Natalee was missing.. Natalee’s family couldn’t even get police assistance at first. Dave Holloway arrived 2 days later and 2 of the police stations on the island didn’t even know nothing about a missing girl. The 2 guards were being held on suspicion of murder and kidnapping.. Julia Renfro went out on tv and announced.. The cops said they had good solid evidence against the guards…… and that Joran and the Kalpoes were just witnesses. What happened to that evidence of murder and kidnapping they had? All 3 go on to say they were meeting daily to make up more stuff and get their stories straight, while Paulus is surfing the web looking up drugs, alcohol and the effects on young people, plus lawyers. Paulus tells them, don’t worry, no body, no case.. Why not no body, that means she could be alive? None of them went out to look for her. Anita called a witness over to the house to ask them what they told the police. The search warrant of the VanDerSloots was changed on site.. It was for the full property says Dompig,, but only Joran’s room was allowed. That’s just a start of everything we heard for almost 3 years.

      I get so tired of hearing the Kalpoes lawyer talk like the Kalpoes are saints.. The conduct they too engaged in is sickening.

    123. Maggie on February 7th, 2008 3:49 pm

      Troll..mole..bob dole..

      I get tired of people smearing an 18 year old victim of a crime. Natalee’s past record shows she was a hard worker, high achiever, made good choices, reliable etc.. As soon as these 3 entered the picture, it all changed. Wonder Why?

    124. J O on February 7th, 2008 3:55 pm


      Karel, I would tend to agree with you in a NORMAL investigation. But remember whom you are dealing with here. This is about CORRUPTION and a COVER-UP. ALE knew what happened shortly after Natalee went missing. They chose to cover up and hide truths. For over 2 years the people of Aruba and Holland said “Poor Joran isnot involved”, THe judges Wit and Smit said not enough evidence, and the ALE never asked “What do you mean something bad happened to Natalee!” THe OM told Joran he was no longer a suspect.

      THe videos had to be shown to the Dutch and Aruban people. Look how their opinions of the van der Sloots have changed. Now the newspapers in Holland are getting a chance to see the COVER-UP. Not showing the videos would allow the case to be put on the Cold Case Shelf.

    125. charlie on February 7th, 2008 3:55 pm

      like it or not ; klootzakrommel,
      wij hebben (de antillen)nooit gevraagd om door piraten te worden genomen.
      Jullie hebben al het goud van Aruba geroofd,
      heleboel tonnen, kijk maar naar het gouden koets
      van Beatrix, waar in het modder in Nederland is 1
      ons goud ooit gevonden ? Jullie zijn gewoon dieven.
      Jullie moeten de Antillen blijven ondersteunen met geld “like it or not ”
      wij met ons europees paspoort kunnen anytime Nederland binnen en werken als we willen.
      Jullie moeten eerst vergunning vragen om op Aruba te werken, zo is het nu eenmaal

    126. Deetch on February 7th, 2008 4:07 pm

      What is it with the Dutch, whenever they face critical moments, they run home to Mommy.

      Mos is lying, are we to believe this is a coincidence? Any doubt he will be visiting the Hague?

      Oh yeah, tell me about he couldn’t change his plans, again his vacation is more important.

      They can fool no more.

      Spencer Bacchus was arrested for clogging the toilets with his BS.

    127. Maggie on February 7th, 2008 4:20 pm

      Figure this one out.. First story they told was about going to the lighthouse, Natalee was drunk.. lots of sexual stuff, her passing out off and on, talking weird, describing her underwear and private body parts.. then taking her to the Holiday Inn, where she fell and hit her head, and the guards got her at the front and they went home.. They didn’t tell the beach story at the huts until 10 days later they say.. Conveniently Joran’s May 31st police statement isn’t to be seen, but the Kalpoes are.. Why is Dennis Jacobs asking them about the fisherman’s huts on May 31st if they didn’t tell that story until 10 days later and why are they arresting guards who don’t even work at the Holiday Inn?

      Deepak Kalpoes.. Police statement May 31, 2005 signed by Dennis Jacobs

      On your question if I can give you a better description of the large dark man, who had walked up to the girl from the lobby, I can tell you the following:
      - he is approximately 1.85 meters tall;
      - he has a heavy set body;
      - he has close-cropped hair;
      - he wore a black t-shirt;
      - he wore a black cotton long trousers which most of the keepers use and
      - he kept walkie talkie in its hands and according to me he spoke by means of the walkie talkie.
      If I see the guard again, I will recognize him.

      On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
      I will answer you no.

      Satish Kalpoe’s police statement May 31, 2005 signed by Dennis Jacobs

      On your question if I you can give you the description of large dark guard, who stood at the lobby and walked up to the girl when we arrived there, I will answer you the following:
      - he is approximately 1.70 meters tall;
      - he has a strong build;
      - he has close-cropped black hair;
      - he wore a black t-shirt;
      - he wore black cotton long trousers which most of the guards wear and
      - he held a walkie talkie in his hands
      If I see the guard again, I will not recognize him.

      On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
      I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

    128. Paulus is Daury on February 7th, 2008 4:22 pm

      Mos was told “we need more time to figure what to do” and the corruption continues

      hey anita !! how are your little killers doing today ? both of them

    129. Donna on February 7th, 2008 4:30 pm

      The first police chief, Van der Straaten is Joran’s Godfather and he worked with Paulis. We all knew how corrupt they were. Now it is confirmed! Shame on you Aruba!

    130. Carpe Noctem on February 7th, 2008 4:54 pm

      Secret video footage discovered of Joran

      placing an early morning call to

      Lorenzo, asking for help to get rid

      of Natalee! ;)


    131. Bob on February 7th, 2008 4:58 pm

      And so now that Joran is not working, is not a student, had his laptop seized, and has no visible income…how does he afford to live? How can he afford local booze and drugs so his family can be proud of him? Who is rushing up to call him a friend and “best bud”?

      Sealing envelopes for $2.50 an hour no doubt.

    132. molly in houston on February 7th, 2008 5:07 pm

      66: klaasend, LOLOL She is a woman!
      Trolls are not very smart.

      boycott aruba forever
      molly in houston

    133. Karel on February 7th, 2008 5:32 pm

      “Karel (#112) … How do you know that deVries didn’t investigate these thoroughly? As I recall, the interviewing and taping went on for some time.”

      The “confession” was after the “wine incident”, so thats after 11th of januari.

      What I think happened?

      -Wine incident
      -Peter makes Patrick increase pressure
      -Joran was allready suspicious of this weird older guy giving him weed and driving him around. Now he’s almost certain it’s a setup and tells a load of crap.
      -Peter quickly verifies some stuff and finds only lies
      -Peter looks at old tapes again and realizes Joran is onto him
      -Peter makes broadcasting happen asap, waiting longer or doing further investigations would proof he realized Joran was playing him.
      -He goes to Aruban police so he can’t be accused of broadcasting sensitive information that needs looking into first without informing justice dept
      (What and how stuff was discussed there is interesting, we’ll hear soon and I think it will fit perfectly in this theory)
      -He invites Beth knowing she’s probably happy with anything keeping the case alive and incriminating Joran. This way also further strengthening his motive of just being after the truth and helping Beth.
      -He(yes look at his emotionless face) films emotional response from Beth and forgets to gut out the functionless part in wich Joran describes Natalee’s behaviour when other people were still present.
      -He goes live

    134. JimboB on February 7th, 2008 5:32 pm

      Here is another poem I wrote for Natalee. PLEASE share your thoughts. Thnx!

      She lived in one small tight knit town
      Where everybody knew eachother’s name
      She had her own room where she lived her life
      She had dreams of becoming a doctor once
      I don’t know if she can have them anymore

      She has a face as beautiful as anything you’ve ever seen
      Its been like that so long now
      But has that been taken away from her?

      Looking up at the heavens up above
      I know your up there Natalee
      Even though your world was cut short on earth
      I know your living a life of joy and happiness up there
      And I know your still believing in the dreams you’ve held so dear

      But she still asks
      Why was my life cut so short?
      Why was I taken away from my family?
      Why didn’t I get a chance to give my mother one last hug?
      Why didn’t I get a chance to say goodbye to my friends?

      And even now
      I still wonder why your life had to be taken away from you
      I’ll help you if I can
      I’ll still dream in the things you dreamed about
      I’ll still help people the way you would of helped them
      We all have our beliefs to believe in
      I am believing in mine
      And I am believing in you

      I don’t know about the heavens above
      Or when that day will come when we will meet
      But one day the sun will rise
      And one day will be the happiest day of my life
      Yes one day will be the happiest day of my life

    135. Sharon Chicago on February 7th, 2008 5:53 pm

      I am praying that the ALE gets busted and exposed for it’s corruption on this case and I am sure on others. Let the world see the blood on their hands.

      Justice for Natalee

    136. Sharon Chicago on February 7th, 2008 6:03 pm

      The Netherland Police must not have arrested Joran, have not heard so…..

      They should have given him his five minutes of air time with them and then clamped the chains and shackles on him…

      What gives?

    137. brie on February 7th, 2008 6:05 pm

      I think Natalee had a series of seizures brought on by a severe blow to the head along with the combination of alcohol and being drugged by Joran.

      Some symptoms of a seizure:

      Twitching or jerking of the body
      Combination of alcohol and drugs
      The person may seem like they are not breathing

      Do never try to move the victim
      Call 911 for a medical emergency

      Joran probably lost his temper as usual and started shaking her, that just made it worse

      I believe Joran told a lot of truth..seizure yes but Daury and the boat no….it was Koen and the boat

      And to further say I never lost a nights sleep
      Made plans to go with things as usual
      It never bothered me
      Threw her the ocean like an old rag

      And why were the police at the lighthouse shoveling sand and putting it in the back of the police cruiser…Dave saw that…when they saw him the slammed the trunk and took off…

      The cover-up from the beginning…they all knew…
      Straaten was behind it. Tourism took part, Natalee was drugged and disposed of in the ocean, our tourists cannot get word of this….

    138. Karel on February 7th, 2008 6:07 pm

      Anyone here capable of making Larry King asking Peter some tough questions?

    139. brie on February 7th, 2008 6:13 pm

      Anita and her was just one girl, so that means it was OK…Paulus and his numerous lies..I think he should return the $30,000, the money belongs to the decent people of Aruba.

      How you can let almost 3 years go by and watch Natalee’s family struggle to find the answer, watch the brutal and cruel lies told to them, false hopes numerous times, all on purpose…as Dave says there are no words to describe it…

      Straaten took his money and retired, he did his damage and wanted out of the picture…take the money and run…I cannot do this to my friends son …but he could sit back and watch the torment and grief of a loving family…the most disgusting and unforgivable thing ever in the world…

    140. Sharon Chicago on February 7th, 2008 6:16 pm

      If Aruba does not arrest this derilick Joran, he will have a life of doomed visions… He will be a sore on the top of a scab to the world… He will live in the gutter of life for a season, until his demise.

      What a pathetic creature…. Joran repent and confess your sins… judgement is at hand from God almighty.

    141. da_wench on February 7th, 2008 6:19 pm

      #11 – Why don’t you ask yourself a question. If a girl died in your arms on the beach and you had nothing to do with causing her death, would you dump her body in the ocean or call 911? There is absolutely no excuse for Joran’s actions. There would be no reason to dispose of a body unless there was more to hide than the fact that she died. I don’t care how drunk, coked, stoned or stupid you are, you don’t dispose of a body if you’ve done nothing wrong. Joran is the son of a wannabe Judge and has lived quite the privileged life on Aruba. Why would he suddenly think that the whole world would believe he harmed Natalee if she died of alcohol poisoning or natural causes? He wouldn’t! He would most certainly be afraid of real law enforcement (key word here “real”) discovering that Natalee had been drugged with GHB or raped or both. How can you think Joran is a sick SOB after his admission that he never lost a moment of sleep over the disappearance of “that girl”? And why would the person who did take Natalee’s body to sea feel the need to do so? Wouldn’t he simply tell Joran that she needed medical assistance? Why didn’t he just leave her on the beach and anonymously call 911? BECAUSE CRIMES WERE COMMITTED AGAINST NATALEE AND THEY NEEDED TO COVER IT UP! They didn’t care if she was dead or alive, they just knew that Joran’s DNA and the GHB in Natalee was going to inconvenience him, hold him up from taking his exams, and embarrass is mommy and daddy. Not a wink of sleep did Joran lose.

      #23 – The person who announced that a confession had been given and that they were being led to Natalee’s body would only lie in a deposition. Wasn’t it Dompig? I don’t recall. Anyway, someone told him to shut up (paid or threatened him to do so).

      To All: What other questions were asked at the time the Twittys and Holloways were asked about whether Natalee had a seizure disorder? Was that the only medical question? If there several questions asked about various medical conditions, it wouldn’t necessarily mean they already knew what happened to Natalee but were only trying to get information on her health condition in general. I’m guessing (from experience in this case) that it was an a question not prefaced or followed by further health questions. That tells me that LE KNEW already that Natalee had suffered an apparent seizure. Dompig (without any evidence other than the alleged statement of his drug dealing relative) claims that he believes Natalee died of a drug overdose.

      #30 “What about the lies of the fat pig Joran calls his mother? She’s told the media that she has always told Joran to “tell the truth.”
      She may very well have “told” Joran to tell the truth, but it’s pretty obvious that nobody has any control over him. I think Anita has been burying her head in the sand from the beginning. She does not want to believe the delicious sporter she gave birth to is a hideous monster. She can’t face it. It’s easier to pretend he’s her sweet baby and direct her anger and frustration at Beth for bringing this tragedy to her front door. I wonder how much more alcohol Anita consumes these days.

      #32 – Keep fishing. Your theories don’t hold an ounce of water. Joran cares for nobody but Joran.
      #39 – So no punishment for dumping a girl in the ocean not knowing if she is dead or alive?
      #56 – Are you wang’s butt buddy? I’m so sick of hearing about how Beth and Jug need to be investigated. That is the most ignorant idea in this whole case. Go back to RU where you are getting all of your sick ideas and STAY THERE!

      #61 – I think Aruba feels they can’t convict without Natalee’s testimony. They’re waiting for her to show up at C&Cs.

      #66 – And a d*mn smart one too, Klas!!

      Karel, Karel, Karel. I hope you are not an example of the average IQ in Holland.

      #69 “It takes a very evil person to even try to defend Joran” Evil and stupid, my friend…evil AND STUPID!

      Attention Trolls: Please return to your own sandbox at RU. We are all so very annoyed with your ignorance!

      #91 – Sorry there’s a language barrier I guess. What exactly are you trying to say? It doesn’t matter if Joran’s crimes were covered up? We shouldn’t care if the case wasn’t handled properly? The way this case has been handled, it would appear that the only evidence the judges are willing to accept is a live statement from Natalee that Joran drugged, raped and disposed of her at sea. I guess that’s not a problem for you.

      #104 – Are you one of the dirty cops? That’s a sorry excuse. The specifically asked about “seizures” not a “medical condition that would require immediate attention if gone untreated.”

    142. brie on February 7th, 2008 6:22 pm

      And Rudy Croes…somebody shut that woman up

      Dennis Jacobs…how much money you got, what did that have to do with anything…was he willing to tell for a price

      Oduber…I am sick and tired of this case

      Dompig…Beth came to crush us

      Paulus…I can’t remember, I don’t know, I forgot

      Anita…just one girl

      Joran…fok der bitch

      Heartless and completely uncaring, I hope you all have hell to pay….

    143. suisse71 on February 7th, 2008 6:25 pm


      Re-read Dave’ book, what about this too?

      This is what Beth was talking about the would “SHOCK THE WORLD”….”

      Red and Klaasend, Jossy what ever happened to OFFICER HALLEY?

      June 12, 2005
      Deputy Police Commissioner, Gerold Dompig, told The Associated Press that one of the three young men arrested in the case admitted, “something bad happened” to Holloway and was leading police to the scene……

      How could the police deny knowing of evidence that was directly handed by an FBI agent to a defense attorney for submission as evidence?
      Where is the witness who saw a policeman named Halley, known to be friends with Paulus Van der Sloot, taking a body from the sand prior to the police search?
      What becomes of this witnesses statement recorded and given to police?

      What became of officer Halley? Were any statements of accountability collected from officer Halley and was officer Halley arrested as an accomplice in the disposal of a body as seen by an eye witness?
      Did officer Halley recover a body from the sand dunes?

      Where is the tape that was given by Art Wood to Helen Lejuez to be submitted as evidence of a cover up?
      February 13, 2006

      ART WOOD: In August, the Diario tip line recorded an after hours call from a woman. She advised that there was a crooked cop, his name was Halley and he took a body from the sand prior to the search. The woman said that Halley knows Paulus Van der Sloot. Art copied that tape and gave it to Helen Lejuez who in turn gave it to the prosecutor to be entered into evidence. In September, Dave Holloway questioned Dompig regarding this tape and the police vehicle that had been seen. Dompig and the investigative team acted like they never heard of either account. This is what Beth was talking about the would “shock the world”….”

      J 4 N!!!


      J 4 N !!!!

    144. michigan mom on February 7th, 2008 6:29 pm

      Would you wonder what motive a person has for defending Joran? Why would they look for this site and then post this? Hah.. figure that one out and ignore the troll. This “Karel” has a motive for posting and it isn’t honest.

    145. brie on February 7th, 2008 6:34 pm

      Wonder where Joran is hiding…Guildo’s? I’m not sure if Koen would talk to him….remember I’ve know him since we were kids and he has a boat..Joran told on him. I don’t think Joran and Lorenzo have a close relationship. Wonder what number box of adult diapers Koen is on…

    146. Sharon Chicago on February 7th, 2008 6:37 pm

      144 Yeah Michigan mom… Karel is probably Jorans brother or really probably one of his Aruban groupies and she trys to defend him…I think the Vandersluts are not on any computer now…restricted by their attorneys BUT since Joran never follows rules they probably don’t either…

      Probably Jorans brother – Karel

    147. Mike on February 7th, 2008 6:39 pm


      Sure,what would you like to ask him??

      I would start by asking him, “Why did you not beat the little SOB’s a$$ when he threw wine in your face”?

    148. suisse71 on February 7th, 2008 6:39 pm

      SEIZURES? BECAUSE JORAN SPIKED HER DRINK W/ A DATE RAPE DRUG.Duhhh. Where did he get the drugs? How about Lorenzo or Freddy?




      “ALL IN PLAINVIEW?” Joran van der Sloot FLICKER/MSN/MYPSACE SITES and the pimps “PREDATORY GAME”


      Remember what Clindt Van Zandt reported about a “predatory game”

      “…Clint van Zandt, likewise, discussed the “predatory game” that is active on the island of Aruba. Essentially, he [Clint Van Zandt] describes an old “cutting” game in which women on their last night in town are selected for drugging and gang raping, then dropped off near their hotel. If they complain, the police describe, in detail, how they will be required to remain for the prosecution. Van Zandt concludes that most, if not all women, just pick up their goods and leave without seeking any further action…”






      Imo, Freddy knows plenty so does Koen, Sander, Geoffrey, Steve Croes, Guido, And is Lorenzo pictured anywhere on these sites????





      Read what Valentijn Van der Sloot said titled Life, dated August 27, 2005 such as:

      Most of you know about everything that’s going on w/my bro but I think I’ll comment on that junk later!!!

      “Me and Natalie ain’t 2gether anymore but I know it’s for the better! Let’s see….all of the “dukes of hazard” crew LOL, invited as well as uninvited probably know about sum other new stuff in my life:) but again I’ll save it for a later comment!!!! Haha the 14 points of life……J,
      life of Valentign!!!!!!- the Bad Boyzzz for Life!!! – :P

      Under “comments” says it all:

      Poor kid. Sounds like he is following in big brother’s foot steps. Their parents should be put behind bars.


      Under “comments” says it all [SOUND FAMILIAR JORAN?]:

      The fucked thing is its like hes bragging about it right on this fuckin shit here…makes me sick for real…dont natter no way tho,aint no way some clowns like these three stooges are gettin away with shit


      son, keep looking over your shoulder because one day when you think things could never get better,that’s when your world will collapse. You know how complicit you are whether directly or not,_Eventually the truth will come out.




      Can anyone post that photo taken of Natalee @ C&C???



      What was the reason for Joran losing his brand new sneakers on the night Natalee vanished?
      August 2, 2005
      “He says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared,” said lead police investigator Roy Tromp. “That’s what he claims in one of his many statements.”

      Tromp said the 17 – year – old suspect [Joran van der Sloot] described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.

      “He claimed he lost them in the area of Fisherman’s Hut, but we [are] looking at other places, including the pond, “ he said







      SEPTEMBER 28, 20005


      J 4 N!!!!!

    149. Sharon Chicago on February 7th, 2008 6:44 pm

      Kael…. Larry King Live will be on within next hour or so…. better climb up Jorans side of the bleachers…. I have popped popcorn and am sitting on Natalee’s side…. don’t eat too fast you might choke on a few kernals.

    150. Cindy on February 7th, 2008 6:46 pm

      Scared Monkeys…what do you think?

      If Beth and Jug would have said “Yes, Natalee was prone to seizures” do you think they would have produced Natalee’s body, which they were holding somewhere, with some lame story about finding her in a drug house or something?
      SM: Only if Natalee’s family had let the 2 security guards take the fall for it (klaasend)

    151. mommytraveler on February 7th, 2008 6:55 pm

      Am I correct in saying that Paulus never collected that $30,000 that was initially awarded to him because the Prosecutor (can’t remember who) appealed the decision and it was over-turned?

    152. Ray on February 7th, 2008 6:58 pm

      Aruba,The coverup in Natalee’s case is so clear that RAY CHARLES could SEE it.


    153. JusticeforNatalee on February 7th, 2008 7:01 pm

      #13 ” the circus continues”

      The only circus is the Aruban “investigation.”

    154. Dave on February 7th, 2008 7:18 pm

      JimboB – your posts are somewhat creepy my friend. I think you need to step away from the computer for a few days. We are all here in support of Natalie (minus the few trolls)…but damn, you just seem like you need some help.

    155. Allan on February 7th, 2008 7:18 pm

      Only I wish to say is if Natalee had gotten medical help instead of Joran and others raping her she might would be still be alive. Whoever else is involved, hell is holding s special place for you but I want vengeance now.

    156. brie on February 7th, 2008 7:24 pm

      I guess the Aruban police would of let the two black security guards take the blame if Beth hadn’t of showed up….

      I think if Beth would of said Natalee was prone to seizures they would of said that is what happened but unable to find her…she just sub-consciously wondered off…I’m sure they would of come up with some kind of lie…went into the ocean,…drifted via a current and out to sea, maybe headed toward Venezuela…who knows but it wouldn’t of been the truth.

    157. katablog on February 7th, 2008 7:26 pm

      #150 Cindy: No. It’s not the seizure that Joran was scared of, it’s what caused the seizure which could have been detected that caused him to get rid of the body.

    158. Shaaron Big city Chicago on February 7th, 2008 7:49 pm

      Joran you are beatle juice… useless… like Paulus and Anita and brothers… join the veg a matic club you all are flushed out of society at this point…..

      time to take out the trash…… flush…

      Natalee deserves justice and she is getting it.

    159. Karel on February 7th, 2008 7:52 pm

      @Michigan Man

      Ofcourse I have a motive for posting, everyone has. I am yours and you are mine. Isn’t that just wonderfull!?

      “Karel, Karel, Karel. I hope you are not an example of the average IQ in Holland”

      Correct. Happy now?


      Question; Why are you incapable of explaining why I talk nonsense? Do you think you will get closer to the truth by just yelling at people?

      I read so much stupid speculations here, people just looking for major conspiracies, people totally incapable of questioning things that are plainly unlogical because that would go against their onedirectional views.
      Plain bullshit comments are unanswered and people not infected with the Joran is guilty of everything virus are yelled or moderated away.
      SM: You are about 2.8 years too late to change our attitude (klaasend)

    160. weasel on February 7th, 2008 7:55 pm

      Question for all:

      who has screwed over Aruba more ?

      Van der Stratten/Jacobs or Joran Van der Sloot ??

    161. brie on February 7th, 2008 7:56 pm

      The black security guards should sue, except they are probably too frightened…if the ALE was going to let them take the blame and they try any action it might be another cave incident. It’s a shame that people in Aruba have to live in fear. The law as it stands would pay 80% of their lawyers fee…but living is the first priority…what a shame for them…Joran and the Kalpoes did that….lying sh~~ts …the innocent people get nothing…the guilty go free and want to sue…It’s too bad…should be able to sue Joran, the Kalpoes, the ALE for the damage they have done…

      The Kalpoes are not innocent and this will come out in the lawsuit…maybe not a bad thing

    162. Shaaron Big city Chicago on February 7th, 2008 7:57 pm

      Those Kalpoe brothers are dirty like Good year threads…. it shows.

    163. Shaaron Big city Chicago on February 7th, 2008 8:00 pm

      Time for Larry King… Ciao everyone :o )

    164. brie on February 7th, 2008 8:00 pm

      What about this Arubans…you’ve got security guards protecting your hotels and your tourists, don’t just ignore it, do something about it!!! Help these people!!

    165. AA on February 7th, 2008 8:01 pm


      The FBI, The Netherlands police was part of the investigation and joran made a fool of ALL of them. I think the best option is to find a way to turn the world against him and not by boycotting Aruba. We here in Aruba are FED UP with him, with all his stupid LIES. In The Netherlands they are making his life a living hell. That is what we all should be doing. Peter de Vries has given it a big push across the Atlantic. His own country is against him. I mean 80% of The Netherlands saw his arrogance on TV. joran wanted to get in the drugs world. he keeps digging his own grave. I mean we have to find a way to lock him away and throw away the keys forever. The world has to turn against him. What he did is UNHUMAN. This will not be accepted here.

      Turn the word against him. NOT accepted on Aruba, not accepted in The Netherlands and not accepted in The USA.

    166. brie on February 7th, 2008 8:02 pm

      So Joran is released for the 2nd time from jail and we have a big celebration at the Sloots…Straaten guest of honor…your pigs!!!!!!

    167. Karel on February 7th, 2008 8:02 pm

      “SM: You are about 2.8 years too late to change our attitude”

      I´m totally convinced of this you and us situation here now too.

      I won’t bother you again.

    168. yoyo muffintop on February 7th, 2008 8:09 pm


      You’re joking right?
      Let’s take a look at what is done in the US:

      “Law enforcement guidelines require that a reporting person must believe that a missing individual is a vulnerable adult or will harm himself or others before a police report can be taken.

      Is the individual a vulnerable adult? This could be because of mental capacity, extreme age or life threatening physical illness.

      Is the individual a threat to himself or others? Is there a mental health issue that if not addressed could lead the individual to commit suicide, injure self or injure innocent bystanders?”

      So asking the seizure and epilepsy question would be completely appropriate.
      So that clears that up.

    169. Felix the Cat on February 7th, 2008 8:14 pm

      Here’s the deal, of course we all know J2K is involved with death of Natalee. The Aruban Govt thought this would go away like all the other drug-rape crimes against attractive tourists.
      They’ve done this for years, Joran has done it at least 20 times.
      They didn’t count on being called out for accountablity, they didn’t fathom a mother could be so determined – that shows their priorities. That’s why they are still in denial, even with the Monsters confession.
      The corruption and those connected are still not willing to accepted the Confession.
      This is such a huge industry, they still think they can ignore it.
      And in the end they will – it’s all about the money and the VanderSloots will NEVER be brought to justice. History disctates.

    170. brie on February 7th, 2008 8:18 pm

      Karel, hey Joran, that last post made absolutely no sense, sounds like you are pretty wasted, as usual…do you ever sober up…wearing that cap because your losing your hair from all the alcohol…no one wants you in the Netherlands and no one wants you in Aruba…you’ve made enemies everywhere…I guess Venezuela is your next stop…or check with Rudy, maybe he can find a place for you in Colombia, along with the gorillas.

    171. Meeee on February 7th, 2008 8:20 pm

      Larry King Live doing a Holloway feature. I think Beth will be on. Just in also. Beth will be on Nancy Grace tommorrow..Do you board guys check there e-mails

    172. yoyo muffintop on February 7th, 2008 8:21 pm

      #141: “There would be no reason to dispose of a body unless there was more to hide than the fact that she died. I don’t care how drunk, coked, stoned or stupid you are, you don’t dispose of a body if you’ve done nothing wrong.”

      OMG – He’s a psychopath/sociopath, as you and the others here say, that’s why.
      This is incredibly funny to read how he’s a psychopath/sociopath in one post…but no one in their right mind would dispose of a body if they did nothing wrong so he must’ve rape/etc her in another.
      You just can’t get off that drug/rape thing can you people? Isn’t doing what he said he did bad enough? It’s almost as if you’re disappointed. Very strange. Very strange.

      Absolutely hilarious!

    173. Deetch on February 7th, 2008 8:21 pm

      Can anyone remind me on what evidence the security guards were arrested?

      Must have been powerful to get these judges to agree to have them arrested?

    174. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:24 pm

      Beth and DeVries are on Larry King – live TV at this moment.

    175. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:25 pm

      Jug will be on Nancy Grace on Friday night. Daily pressure is the key.

    176. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:30 pm

      Is is my hope that the obstruction of the investgation by ALE Polis and corrupt governmental officials who directed the cover up will be stated. It’s time for Beth to lay it down as she feels inside. There is no longer any need to speak out in subserviant demeanor…….Natalee won’t be back. Now it’s time for them to pay the piper.

    177. flippy on February 7th, 2008 8:30 pm

      #168 (yoyo)

      Depends upon the context. I had asked earlier if there is an official record of being asked if she had seizures. If this question was asked in isolation then it is certainly a smoking gun for a cover-up.

      If this question was one of a battery of questions that included “Is she Diabetic” and “does she require regular medication” then I see your point of the question being standerd operating procedure.

      BUT I don’t remember the other questions ever being mentioned, only this one.

      I would like to see a transcript, if one exists.

    178. yoyo muffintop on February 7th, 2008 8:34 pm

      Felix – his confession did not include date-rape. So in actuality it is you as well that is “still not willing to accepted the Confession.”

    179. dave on February 7th, 2008 8:38 pm


      You hit the nail on the head suisse71
      Absolute correct assessment

      Ignore the idiot TROLLS

    180. Deetch on February 7th, 2008 8:40 pm

      oh yeah, they arrested the black security guards on:


    181. Miss-Underestimated on February 7th, 2008 8:41 pm

      Joran’s head is malformed, his ears sit very low on the cranium. Anyone else notice?

    182. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:42 pm

      I’ve asked Larry to question Beth about the Polis questioning whether Natalee was epileptic.

    183. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:44 pm

      Got it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    184. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:44 pm

      Thanks for working that in Larry.

    185. Bob on February 7th, 2008 8:47 pm

      Levine was thrown to the wolves. Taco won’t be too eager to be interviewed on Joran’s behalf any longer. Joran…..dead meat. Levine was choking to say anything semi-intelligent. If he was my mouthpiece I’d fire him.

    186. Felix the Cat on February 7th, 2008 8:49 pm

      Oh but his confession is blatant Dape-Rape. He’s on the beach, making love, fingering her and she starts cunvulsing-shaking out of control?? So I guess right before she said “oh yes Joran, finger me, I’d love that”
      You YoYo are one sick cookie. It’s about time you took on a new nic to spread your pervasion.

    187. brie on February 7th, 2008 8:51 pm

      Don’t pay any attention to YOYO….it’s a new species!!!!

    188. lisa on February 7th, 2008 8:56 pm

      Joran is protecting his father. Paulus helped disposed of Natalee’s body to protect Joran and now Joran is protectin his dad. Joran was just a kid and if he’s lying further to protect his dad then it’s time he comes clean and tells the truth. Secrets are sick and they make the people that keep the secrets sick. It’s time for all the truth to come out.

    189. brie on February 7th, 2008 9:02 pm

      Come, come ,come but don’t call the police…and just why not Joran….you really hung yourself there …in addition to ….you don’t know if Natalee was alive or dead…your a criminal…you are the lowest of anything that exists on this earth…just do a favor and put on some concrete shoes and dive for Natalee…you drugged her, gave her a head injury, raped her and tossed her into the ocean like a rag.. come, come, come but don’t call the police!!!!

    190. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:03 pm

      There you go… De Vries is on TV with Greta.

    191. Felix the Cat on February 7th, 2008 9:04 pm

      #187 Nah, I want to expose the pervert what it is. A sick degenerate for what it is that gets his rocks off living the life of another confessed deviat-murder – his hero. Joran VanDerSloot, a confessed rapist murderer. Birds of a Fleather.

    192. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:06 pm

      LOL….Greta’s questions appear to follow what is posted on SM threads. Maybe her producer wised up to regain her viewership. She is asking slightly more on target questions of Peter.

    193. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:08 pm

      Perhaps we should chip in and buy Peter a new shirt for his TV interviews. To me it seems it’s always the same one. Perhaps he packs light for plane travel. Hmmmmm.

    194. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:13 pm

      Media coverage on radio, TV, internet, and newsprint is ripping Aruba daily from stem to stern. Readers and viewers ONLY come away with justified negative reaction when the term Aruba is mentioned.

      BOYCOTT ammo takes many forms.

    195. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:22 pm

      I could be wrong, but I believe tonight was the first time Beth Twitty made mention of the Polis questioning her about Natalee’s medical history, within the first 48 hrs of her disappearance. That questioning is SO DAMNING, and points to Polis who may have already heard a confession/explanation from Joran, but was not communicated to the family.

      That could very well amount to the missing smoking gun. This needs to be repeated and expanded upon on ALL future TV appearances and news reports. Beth said Joran will now begin a living hell……..she wasn’t bluffing. Aruba will never achieve reputation needed to regain tourism.

    196. brie on February 7th, 2008 9:24 pm

      I really don’t care if we see Peter in the same shirt…maybe it is part of a uniform that he wears…could be

    197. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:25 pm

      Greta’s questions are more focused, and probing than before. surprise, surprise!

    198. tony on February 7th, 2008 9:27 pm

      let’s see: what is a yo yo?
      It’s two pieces of would be held together by a center axis with a string wrapped around it that you do tricks with. Let’s see it goes up and then it goes down and the it goes up until of course the string breaks and you make a phone call to have some one throw it away before you check to see if it can be revived with a new string.
      Then you go out and play with a new yo-yo.

    199. JORAN CALLED PAULUS on February 7th, 2008 9:30 pm

      paulus is the one that joran called. it has happened before. paulus is the pig you want
      paulus is a pig. paulus is a pig
      a giant sweaty pig


      paulus married a pig

      bring them both to the slaughter house

    200. disgustedmom on February 7th, 2008 9:31 pm

      #12 “I was always wondering if the security guards that were arrested was really a fake arrest and they were paid to take the heat since they fit the description of the first story that Joran told. This would give some time for the Van Der Sloots and ALE to clean up everything.

      Because you never hear anything about the security guards and their innocence since then.”


      I’ve thought it. If Paulus could sue for being detained wrongly then the guards should have done so too. They did not, so….what you said.

    201. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:31 pm

      WOW, and now Greta comments that a “high-tech” search effort is being made that might turn up results. (The Persistance). That’s quite a 180* from ABC’s comments just last week when they reported no results. What a difference a little confession makes.

    202. yoyo muffintop on February 7th, 2008 9:32 pm

      #179 dave – Then I guess there’s massive corruption in the good ol’ USA as well. Those “seizure” questions are asked everyday in the US.

      #191 Felix the Cat – you really have no idea about the onset of seizures/trembling/shaking due to drug toxicity do you?
      Seeing as how you are illinformed, I’ll give you pass on the childish insults.

    203. JORAN CALLED PAULUS on February 7th, 2008 9:32 pm

      if joran doesnt protect paulus than joran knows that his days are pimping with father are over.

      Mos is a pimp also

    204. brie on February 7th, 2008 9:33 pm

      So Joran is talking to the Aruban authorities…what are they going to do…they’re all guilty too!!!

    205. Bob on February 7th, 2008 9:33 pm

      Talking about the Persistence now, in case you are not near a TV.

    206. Jon on February 7th, 2008 9:35 pm

      #181 miss underestimated, look into a mirror FOR PETE’S SAKE. Nothing about this story has anything to do with Jorans cranium or ear placement.

    207. JORAN CALLED PAULUS on February 7th, 2008 9:35 pm

      Anita Anita Anita

      where are the pimps tonight ???

    208. brie on February 7th, 2008 9:50 pm

      It’s a habit for Joran and Kalpoes to drug and rape American girls….Deepak drives the rape mobile equipped with video screens and all…

    209. suisse71 on February 7th, 2008 9:57 pm

      Hey SM -

      Pieter Devries rocks and so does Patrick!!

      On Greta tonight:

      Regarding “Daury” [Daury = Daddy]



      He is brilliant! Man, we sure do know what you mean Pieter. FATHER KNOWS BEST

      IMO, Pieter has something on Paulus. He is superb in interviews.

      J 4 N!

    210. suisse71 on February 7th, 2008 10:03 pm

      Brie #208

      Could not agree with you more.

      Picture is worth a thousand words….


      J 4 N!!!

    211. tony on February 7th, 2008 10:04 pm

      Why Joran and Natalee where not at the beach.
      Has anyone ever tried to do it on the beach, especially without a blanket? First of all you get sand on your hands then when you start; you know with the girl you get sand inside her that irritates like hell. She gets sand up her butt and your knees get bruised. Then when you get down to business the sand in her starts rubbing against you and that starts to hurt. Then you start sweating and the sand sticks to you more and more and it gets real irritating. And just when the fun begins the sand starts blowing in your eyes and that starts to sting, so you rub your eyes but that starts to hurt. And just when, ah ah starts that dam sand inside her cuts your, you know what. I tell you it gets real nasty I don’t care how horny you are.
      However raping an unconscious girl is another story.

    212. Bob on February 7th, 2008 10:05 pm

      More media coverage about to be shown on the O’Reilly Factor TV Program at 11pm. There’s more coverage about Natalee than the Presidential race. I love it.

    213. Samual on February 7th, 2008 10:06 pm

      Special Thoughts On Joran’s Father:

      There is no other person on the beach. Joran called his father, not Daury.

      Joran said he would take the person’s name to the grave……

      Joran’s father advised him what to do with the “body”

    214. katablog on February 7th, 2008 10:09 pm

      Didn’t get to see most of Larry King and none of Greta so I’d be grateful for a recap if possible.

    215. disgustedmom on February 7th, 2008 10:15 pm

      On the tape Joran says…Why does this happen to me all the time.

      De Vries confirmed Joran said this.

      All the time!



      chiming in with my opinion on the 48 hour thing…..Joran called Paulus and begged him not to call the cops. Joran told Paulus at that time he had drugged her so that is why Paulus took Natalee to his own house to see what he could do….like get in touch with Van der Straaten to make sure if anyone reported Natalee missing no one would go looking for her too fast.

      Van der straaten did his buddy one last favor before he retired. He set the investigation on the direction he wanted it to take. That being, natalee would show up in a few days…because at first Natalee was not dead, she was at the VDS house sick as a dog and they were hoping she could turn up in a few days and call her a liar if she claimed anything went on.

      Joran was instructed to only say the same stuff to the cops that he said on the De Vries tape. That’s why he repeated it to Patrick. It was the safe thing his daddy and straaten came up with that had worked for so long. that is why we are back to square one with the epilespy thing.

    216. tony on February 7th, 2008 10:18 pm

      210 The story behind that picture which is not Joran’s files is that was taken by a girl named Alyse. She and Bailey, “Good Times” went to Aruba in March 2005. In the back seat Alyse took that picture. Check the others. You will find Alyse to the left, Freddy in the middle, Loco Stepanie; who happens to be Joran’s girl friend, is on our right.
      Some say this was the usual. Freddy in the back. Notice no Satish. Some say that is why Natalee disappeared. If there were two girls Natalee would be a junior now. If it were Freddy in the back, she would be a junior now.

    217. KrisG on February 7th, 2008 10:20 pm

      Miss-U #181 I see what you mean. Dr. Frankenstein didn’t do such a great job on this monster.

      Jon #206 I’ve met Miss-U and she looks great to me.

      We have been following this story for years now. Every now and then we have to let off some steam. The remarks made here pale in comparison to Joran’s disrespect of Natalee and her family.

    218. mayan_moons on February 7th, 2008 10:27 pm

      Where’s Taco Joe??? He was a total NO Show on all the programs covering the case tonight….his stand in said Jurine ruined all the credibility that Joe, he and Rosemary had built for him over the last 2 years. Whatta laugh that was!~

      Hey Joe why don’t cha come back and tell us more about the cuts and marks Joran lied about having all over his face in the secret video?

    219. mayan_moons on February 7th, 2008 10:52 pm

      I think Peter is brilliant aswell, enjoyed every one of his interviews……i was distracted and missed Peter saying “i’ve got some special thoughts about him (Paules Van der Sloot)”! I just bet he does. Btw last i heard Paules wasn’t looking to good, is he hiding in the bushes again?

    220. dallasalley on February 7th, 2008 11:21 pm

      yoyo has always been a troll

    221. Richard on February 7th, 2008 11:26 pm

      AA (#165) … You say that the Aruban people have turned against Joran … somewhat belatedly, eh?

      But the same government is in power, the same law enforcement people are in power, the same judges are in power, etc.

      In nearly three years, this case has escalated to the point where we are not concerned ONLY with the fate of Natalee and the ‘whodunit and how’ issues.

      We are facing a society, Aruba, that has broken the social contract of tourism. (A poster here told me that she likes that phrase, so I’m using it again.)

      What happened to Natalee could well happen to another American tourist. And a similar, if not the same, cover-up might well follow.

      Aruba has had its chance at redemption, and has blown it. Boycotting is an individual decision, as it should be. I can’t force anyone to boycott … but I will continue to do what I can to make people aware of this tragedy, and not let them be swayed by Aruban propaganda.

      It seems that our boycott efforts have had some effect. Now, thanks to continued Aruban intransigence and the public statements of one Joran van der Sloot, antipathy to Aruba is probably at a fever pitch.

      Hey, the van der Sloots themselves said they couldn’t care less if people boycott Aruba.

      Contrast that comment with the quiet dignity of Beth on the deVries show: “What they did to Natalee … what they did to their country.”

      BETH TWITTY, who has NO reason whatsoever to feel sympathy for Aruba, expressed more concern for your country than have the van der Sloots.

      Hope you enjoy their company, because you’re stuck with them.

      Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.

    222. Richard on February 7th, 2008 11:34 pm

      Suisse 71 (#209) … You say the DUTCH police are looking for ‘Daury’? Wait a minute, I thought it was decided that the ‘Daury’ in the Netherlands was not the ‘Daury’ in question.

      So if the DUTCH police are looking for him, then they must be looking in the Netherlands, right?

      We had been told that the whole investigation had been handed over to the Dutch … but then we were told that the special Dutch team had been sent back to Holland.

      Of course, earlier we were told that Aruba was a sovereign country … but then Beth and Dave were told that the investigation was being handled out of the Netherlands.

      I guess the story of who’s in charge varies according to what day of the week it is.

    223. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 11:39 pm

      Katablog, check out You Tube! All the interviews will show up there by tomorrow!

    224. Betsy on February 7th, 2008 11:42 pm

      These pictures keep popping up on the Internet of Anita. This is a good one!

      What will the Friday lesson be for Anita’s little students? How to properly weigh down an American tourist to dump in the ocean?

    225. Saoirse on February 8th, 2008 12:02 am

      The Aruban government, Polis, AHTA, judicial system, politicians, judges, and press have all covered up!

      Good people of Aruba – now is the time for Revolution!

      Overthrow the Fetid Mongrel Arawak King!

      Take your country back from those that profit from the drug money!

      Hang the Fetid Mongrel Arawak King from the highest Divi Divi tree!

    226. suisse71 on February 8th, 2008 12:24 am

      Tony 216,

      Thanks, I know and know the math. I have seen that image of Freddy and the countless other images of Freddy, Joran, K2 and all the pimps over the years. It/ they reconfirm their irresponsible, disturbing behavior and their “predatory game” intentions/actions.
      J 4 N!

    227. Betsy on February 8th, 2008 1:18 am

      blogs for Natalee has the Nancy Grace show footage up (half of it) with Dave Holloway and Peter de Vries.

    228. suisse71 on February 8th, 2008 4:25 am

      Richard 222,

      Excuse I could not get this to you sooner. [And Katablog 214 hope this is helpful for you too since you mentioned you didn’t get a chance to see it + Katablog 157 exactly! and other damning evidence which compelled him/Daddy & Co. to dispose of the body & always steer the truth away from the truth. ]

      IMO, Devries is brilliant. You have to watch him on air, these transcripts do not do him justice. For those of us who have been following the case from the get go, you will really get it when he says things like “But he [Daury] is NOT the guy who is mentioned by Joran” or “And well his father, I have some special thoughts about him” or “Well Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge [in training] at that time so that is a sin.”

      IMO, I think we all have some special thoughts on Daury, I mean Paulus.

      I hope you saw Devries on Larry King and Nancy Grace tonight as well, because he is superb. No wonder pathetic Joran freaked by throwing wine in his face, Devries knew exactly which buttons to push. Devries is fierce in my book. There is no doubt in my mind, if the Devries footage had not aired for the world to see, it would have been “swept under the carpet of corruption” like all the other damning confessions/statements/evidence as well as the actions of the Higher Powers.

      On Greta tonight:

      Watch the beginning, it’s very informative etc. I’d love to see Taco Joe go up against Devries. He covers pretty much anything Taco might attempt to throw out in defense. But why would Taco want egg on his face when he had that buffoon Les Levine “Joran’s Private Investigator” speak on Taco’s behalf on CNN Larry King tonight? That was hilarious. Beth and Devries were spot on.

      GRETA: “….There’s a lot of rumors coming out of Aruba, you can imagine. We had Daury Rodriguez on last night who was the person who was actually identified on your tapes, but now there is a suggestion there might be another Daury. Do you know if there’s another Daury?”

      DEVRIES: “Yeah, Daury Rodriguez is not the guy mentioned by Joran. It is another guy. It’s in the news, I know that. [Shows images of Daury Rodriquez – same guy interviewed by Greta and was also on 20/20] But he is not the guy who is mentioned by Joran.”

      GRETA: “Alright, where is this other guy who is mentioned by Joran who helped according to Joran helped dispose of the body?”

      DEVRIES: “Well, we don’t know. The police investigators are looking for him, but I am not quite sure if ‘Daury’ is really Joran’s helper because the first day when he was talking about his helper Joran said ‘I will never ever mention his name, I will take that into my grave.’ Then the next day, when our man Patrick was pushing a little bit on that and telling him ‘Well, who was it? You can trust me.’ Then he mentions the name Daury, but I think he is protecting somebody else.”

      GRETA: “Alright and do you know who that somebody else is? I mean do you have any besides any sort of a gut reaction do you have anything independent to suggest who it might really be?”

      DEVRIES: “Well, that’s hard to say, then I am starting speculating. And well, I might not do that.”

      BREAK –

      Then Greta goes on about an em from Julia Renfro asks this question ….”How did you know Joran was lying when others were inclined to believe him ……..” Etc…..

      DEVRIES: “ ……I have been doing some investigation on the spot in Aruba. I read the files and I spoke to people who were involved, and well I am an experienced crime reporter and almost from the beginning I didn’t believe his story and there were some established lies, about Natalee dropping at the Holiday Inn Hotel, the way he came home, the story about his shoes. It was too much to believe.”

      GRETA: “Do you think, a lot of viewers send me emails, I have a blog here gretawire, and they send a lot of comments, very suspicious that Paulus van der Sloot has more of an involvement that simply just the father of the man that’s caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus van der Sloot?”

      DEVRIES: “Well Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge [in training] at that time so that is a sin.”

      BREAK –

      GRETA: “ Pieter I want to focus now on the guy who supposedly assisted in tossing the body off the boat. What efforts are being made if you know by the police to locate him?”

      DEVRIES: “Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. And that’s what I understood. And there are looking for this guy. Who ever it may be?”

      GRETA: “Now do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?”

      DEVRIES: “Yeah, I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos the head prosecutor and I am confident, quite confident, they will solve this case, finally.”

      Greta and Devries talk more and about Hans Mos was happy and the police commissioner Dolf Richardson and when he was looking at the tape he asked can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for, etc.

      Then Greta asks about an arrest and that the judge turned them down and it’s now on appeal. Have any more information on that? Etc. And Pieter responds about that what I know is that Joran made a statement to the police investigators today, I don’t know what he said, but there was a statement. That’s a great development because until now Joran refused to talk to the police and didn’t say a word, so now he is talking and “Let’s hope he is answering all the questions.”

      Then Greta asks about what prompted Joran to toss that wine in Pieter’s face. Pieter explains Joran was frustrated by Peiter, he was asking questions all the time and I was telling the audience that Joran lied several times, that he could not answer simple questions, and that he was always keeping silent to the police.
      And well that frustrated him.

      Then Greta asks if he had the under cover operation completed at that time and Devries explains it was still running at that moment. Then she asks a about Anita and Paulus being present, etc….

      GRETA: “Did Joran’s parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?”

      DEVRIES: “After the show they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother, she loves her son, but she does not know what her son is doing I think. And well his father, I have some special thoughts about him”

      GRETA: “Well I hope you come back Pieter as you develop more information on those special thoughts……”

      J 4 N!!!

    229. Karel on February 8th, 2008 5:30 am

      People, why don’t you just admit that BROADCASTING this undercover operation at this point was obviously stupid! Peter de Vries knew this but he went through with it, abusing Beth’s wish to keep the investigation open, even probably presenting it as facts to her while he allready knew it was more of the same old lies and Joran was onto him. Everyone experienced in this field would have adviced Beth not to go live with this yet.

      Try to make the best of it and look for ways this can be used. If you keep thinking this alone will result in anything you are just being blind. Undercover operations are not that expensive and Beth has raised enough money to do many more.

      Yes, Joran is hiding information but that was obvious more than two years ago allready. There’s a small chance they find some things in his communications after he found out he was being setup but don’t count on that. Don’t count on getting anything from him at all ever. The Vries has succesfully destroyed that possibility, also informing all other people involved to be alert.

      I’d go after the brothers, they’re the only ones certain to have lied as well and they come across as being much much easier to break as Joran.
      SM: Its called creating public outcry for justice.

      It was not stupid … if he did not the ALE would have buried the evidence like the rest.

    230. Karel on February 8th, 2008 5:46 am

      What also might help is admitting that Beth is way too emotionally involved to make smart descisions and that going after Joran was allready clearly not working quite some time ago.

      Also if rape is indeed what happened, you think it’s more likely that Joran would do such a thing or those brothers? Was there a beach? How natural was the internetbehaviour of Joran when he arrived home?
      Crack those brothers man, that should not be hard at all!

    231. Karel on February 8th, 2008 6:07 am

      Why can Joran obviously can lie like his life depends on it. Either he’s an emotionless person or he doesn’t feel guily for a good reason but also realises that he’ll be blamed if he talks.
      Who could do such a thing? How could such a tight situation devellop? Probably only when the secret is between the only three people leaving with Natalee. The brothers will talk to eachother when put under serious pressure. Maybe it’s not too late but please don’t forget that it was Peter de Vries that created this mess and that it was stupidity all along going after the strongest person.

    232. tony on February 8th, 2008 6:23 am

      suisse 226; Thanks I guess we both also went to the same school of logic and thought.

    233. charlie on February 8th, 2008 7:06 am

      latest info here from aruba; nothing from the taped confession can or will be used against joran, because he was drugged by someone with criminal history.
      abc paid 5 million $ to de vries for an old story
      full of lies.
      Lets start the investigation beth and stepfather.
      we all know joran tells only lies, lets see now if beth and step can speak the truth and only the truth.
      SM: Nice try … the previous message was bought and paid for by the ATA.

      Let’s start an investigation of you and Aruba where they blame tourists for crimes that are committed against them.



    234. charlie on February 8th, 2008 7:11 am

      de vries is a greedy man ,now he wants millions for a story of paulus,ok media clowns have the check ready.
      this time not 5 but 10 million $.
      SM: You are an A$$clown … Joran suck up … JVDS talks about making money from the case and you call others greedy.

      Grow up!

    235. charlie on February 8th, 2008 7:16 am

      no richard you got it all wrong , your so stupid you dont understand any system.
      How old are you 8 ?
      no wonder the ask the sum of 2 and 6….
      SM: Maybe we dont need to know how a corrupt system works.

    236. katablog on February 8th, 2008 9:00 am

      Those who continue to try to justify or defend Joran arne’t worth arguing with. They are Joran apologists (if not Joran himself) and they ain’t gonna change. Joran could sit down and tell them the whole story bit by bit and they’d still have a reason why it wasn’t him.

      We’ve been through the tarnish the character of those who bring out the truth a hundred times as these people try to assassinate Jossy’s, Beth’s and Jug’s character. As I said in another post, I don’t care if DeVries and Patrick were previous Axe murderers. What they did with this tape was good work. I don’t care if they got paid the US National debt, what they did helped Beth and Dave and believe it or not, the story is about Natalee, and her family not joran and his rotten father.

    237. Joran Van der Sloot and OM Talk in the Netherlands … Oduber Only Worried About Aruban Ecomomy. | Scared Monkeys on February 8th, 2008 10:56 am

      [...] Aruba and its police officials have some serious explaining to do as to why certain questions were asked in the beginning of the investigation with regards to Natalee Holloway having a history of seizures. [...]

    238. Richard on February 8th, 2008 11:00 am

      From Karel: “Beth is way too emotionally involved to make smart descisions” (sic)

      The sentiment is too putrid to debate.

      But it looks as though Beth has more brains than the whole government and law enforcement of Aruba (which isn’t saying much), not to mention the disparity in decency (1000% vs. -1000%).

      Aruba thought its sovereign power could thwart one American family in its quest for the truth.

      Aruba was wrong. Now we’re going to make it pay the consequences. Put in a balance, Natalee’s life outweighs anything that Aruba has to offer … but it’s time that Aruba feel the pain.

      After all, Aruba … you asked for it.

    239. K.Jeanne on February 8th, 2008 11:49 am

      This STINKS!!!!!!! I hope every person who vacations in Aruba realizes that “for the grace of God, go I!” This sort of thing can happen anywhere, but WE certainly want to believe we would have full cooperation from the law enforcement! Something is truly rotten in ARUBA!!!

    240. Joe on February 8th, 2008 2:42 pm

      Remember Pops saying “No body, no case”?
      I say give them all a little dope and maybe everyone will talk.

    241. charlie on February 8th, 2008 3:06 pm

      latest news 1 hour ago,hearing of joran is over,
      joran declares that he was drugged during 20 hours of filming and questions by the criminals
      patrick and de vries, and having nothing to declare because he dont remember a word he said
      during these 20 hours, 1,5 hour of show we saw was just a fraction.

      patrick got a kick in the ass from us immigration
      trying to get in to get money from tv s, and send back to the Netherlands, because of his criminal files record.

      the circus will continue….

    242. SUPER DAVE on February 8th, 2008 4:23 pm

      charlie we are totally enjoying the idiot circus that you and karel are providing. please entertain us some more. you are much better than barnum & bailey. i bet both of you are clowns.
      have you guys been on the blow with your boy sloot ?

    243. AA on February 8th, 2008 5:32 pm



      I do not agree with you but I respect your decision. But I will also tell you this, if it was a native Aruban that did that crime he was throw away FOREVER in the cell. Please make a BIG distinction between van der sloot and any people living on this island. Of course they don’t care. They are so IGNORANT. A son behaving/acting like that is unacceptable in any society.

    244. Richard on February 8th, 2008 5:50 pm

      AA, I don’t think that Arubans are any better or worse than anyone else. And I very clearly remember what would have happened to the two black security guards … at the word of J2K … had not Beth Twitty come down and proven that there was no reason to think they were involved.

      But the justification for a boycott goes beyond Natalee at this point. We have an embargo on North Korea, not because of what its people think, but because of the actions of its government and the threat that it poses to us.

      There is an analogy to Aruba, though obviously the two cases are not the same. Aruba has broken the social contract of tourism. From day one the Holloway Twitty family has been faced with lies, evasions, half-truths, arguments advanced one day and denied the next day, insults, etc., etc., etc.

      BETH TWITTY, by speaking up for the two security guards, did more for the “average” Aruban than did the van der Sloots, who have said they couldn’t care if we boycott Aruba or not.

      Think about that. Where do your interests lie, in going along with the corrupt government or in standing up and demanding that the truth emerge, and that Oduber keep his promise of an investigation into everything that happened?

      Unless and until the latter happens, there is no reason for anyone to think that Aruba is a safe place to go. Ergo, boycott it and urge that others do so.

      It’s not only justice, it’s simple decency.

    245. kat on February 9th, 2008 11:57 am

      If the aruban police were aware Natalee had
      convulsions like Joran described then they knew
      Joran was involved somehow which means they have
      covered up the whole thing and allowed the Holloway family to suffer unbearably for almost 3 years. I think that kind of corruption is just as
      horrible as what happened to her. Can anything be done to the aruban police for this?

    246. AA on February 11th, 2008 5:08 pm



      Let me tell you this straight, There is NO Government that can change any judge disision, nor we can do it. It is the Dutch law that is being applied and these laws STINK so much (worse than rotton eggs). Please do not compare North Korea with Aruba, because we are not threating nobody with weapon of MASS destruction.

      Albertico Angela

    247. Carol Hart on July 17th, 2008 9:28 pm

      I understand there was 2 tips given about Natalees disappearance. If 1 of them came from a man in his late 50-early 60′s, he is missing a front tooth. He drives a 1957 Ford Fairlane or similar looking car. He lives in a dark brown house. He has an old Ford truck. If he’s a peculiar fellow, SOMEONE needs to look in his house. He picked Natalee Holloway up and she is at his house.

      If someone could talk to “John” from Haunting Justice (Tru TV), I new he would see the 1st half of her stay in Aruba and then get a clue about me. CACTUS.

    248. LIer on August 7th, 2008 6:32 pm

      I dont think racism plays a role. The Aruba Police Corps is headed by a Black Commissioner and the majority of the officers are Black.

      I think they just effed up the investigation and as soon as the media got involved they should have immediately realized they were in over their heads and called in the Dutch National Police. Its common sense, if the US Virgin Islands Police have a tough case they call the FBI, if the Bermuda Police have a tough case they call the London Metropolitan Police but the Aruba Police have a tough case and they do nothing more then blab about Dutch law to justify their ineptness.

      If the local yokels cant handle it then they got call the national cops.

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