Aruban Officials … Gutless and Corrupt Cowards to the End … Refuse to Prosecute Crimes in Aruba


One Gutless Island …

There is gutless, there is cowardice and then there is corrupt. In some special cases we get all three … Welcome to the “Perfect Storm” of anti-investigation and prosecution of the Natalee Holloway case, known as Aruba.


If you are an Aruban today, you should be ashamed and embarrassed. You should also be up in arms as your island that depends on tourism just took another hit. No one in their right mind would travel to a place where suspects get out of jail and off murder wrap free cards are handed out on a who you know basis. Tourists obviously have no legal or judicial recourse for crimes committed against them in Aruba.

Of course one wonders how could one prosecute a “a violent crime or culpable Expose_corruption2homicide,” if the fix was in from the outset by investigators refusing to investigate. We go back to those initial comments by Paul Van der Sloot, “if there is no body, there is no crime”. Isn’t it amazing that the Aruban prosecutor referenced those similar words. Isn’t it more amazing that Paul Van der Sloot made the comment in the first place. The answer to any thinking person is … because he knew they never would.

The fact that the body of the missing teenager was never found is for the OM ‘an important shortage’ in the possible reconstruction of what had exactly happened.  “Because of that, the current dossier cannot give sufficient answer on the question which punishable facts took place in the night of Holloway’s disappearance, nor can it answer the question what the exact role of the suspects was in this”

What kind of BS is this!!! You people had all the evidence right in front of you and you refused to take action. Oh that’s right … you arrested two black security guards in an effort to railroad them for the crime against Natalee Holloway. What a convenient excuse that there is no body. Hmm … just like Paul Van der Sloot mentioned … hmmm. So what happens if Texas EquuSearch finds Natalee Holloway’s body? What excuse will you have then to not prosecute the three people who were last seen with Natalee before she disappeared forever.

Suspects Holloway not prosecuted – AMIGOE

One of the last pictures of Natalee Holloway and the three other ‘central figures’ Satish and Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot taken in Aruba.

Aruba 3 suspects

ORANJESTAD – The Public Prosecutor (OM) decided not to prosecute the three suspects in the Holloway-case.  The dossier does not have enough evidence for a violent crime or culpable homicide.  Also the burden of proof for possible legal evidence is not sufficient, concluded the OM.

The OM informed the suspects Joran van der Sloot (20) and the brothers Deepak (24) and Satish Kalpoe (21) this morning that they are no longer being prosecuted.  Also the American lawyer of the parents of Natalee Holloway was informed.  The fact that the body of the missing teenager was never found is for the OM ‘an important shortage’ in the possible reconstruction of what had exactly happened.  “Because of that, the current dossier cannot give sufficient answer on the question which punishable facts took place in the night of Holloway’s disappearance, nor can it answer the question what the exact role of the suspects was in this”, said the OM. That the suspects continued to be silent during the recent interrogations was also a disappointment for the OM, because they have assumed that the suspects would start talking this time.  The OM emphasizes though that if they find new important evidence, the prosecution will start again till the offences become barred, which is 6 years for culpable homicide and 12 years for manslaughter.   The bailiff of the OM informed Lawyer Ariean de Bie of this between 11:00 and 12:00 this morning.  “That definitely concludes the case”, said De Bie.  “All’s well that ends well.  There was just not enough evidence.” Yet, it could have just turned the other way.  “The OM was constantly talking about less serious facts, for which they could have been prosecuted.  But that didn’t happen.  They never had any evidence, just indications.  And could their indications have legalized this exercise? I wonder why they kept saying: we have evidence, we have evidence.” (Amigoe12/19/2007)

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  • Comments

    145 Responses to “Aruban Officials … Gutless and Corrupt Cowards to the End … Refuse to Prosecute Crimes in Aruba”

    1. roaming noam on December 19th, 2007 10:01 am

      F((edit)) aruba and all that exists on that isle of terror !!! aruba expect the worse !!!

    2. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 10:02 am

      A neighbor who was just in Aruba said that the locals were saying that even if they find Natalee in a cage in the ocean WITH Joran’s shoes in it or nearby, as well as, a cell phone or two – Joran will claim that he left his shoes with Natalee on the beach and whomever took her also took his shoes. The neighbor’s reply was: “I am never coming back here. Everything is so corrupt. Look at all these drug dealers – in the hotels, on the beaches, by all the nightclubs. This place is dirty, windy, stray dogs, so bad. Too bad you people couldn’t clean this place up.”

      God will judge all these people – if any of them think they are Catholic, they know their destiny. Sooner or later.

    3. Joost on December 19th, 2007 10:35 am

      Well, even the ancient democratic Greeks and Romans wrote that there should be a word and a word against it.

      And even if so, Scared Monkeys wrote in this article “If you are an Aruban today, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.”

      Excuse me ? I am not an Aruban, neither an American, neither a Dutchman. But free journalism will always try to keep an objective picture for the audience, and not a painted one. Why should roughly 60.000 Arubans be ashamed ? First Joran is Dutch, the two Surinamese Borthers obviously from Suriname.

      Second, public opinion, in Aruba as well as the Netherlands is more interested in figuring out what happened to Natalee and where she is, then pointing the fingure in a commonly accepted direction, namely Joran.

      Third, the position of Aruba, which tried to be independent for some time, not -only- heavely depending on American dollars, but more on Dutch tax payers money, is not so Dutch as everyone thinks. Conservative Dutch policy makers told roughly six months ago, that when Aruba (and the other islands of the Antille) don´t get there finance on other, they will sell the islands on E-Bay to the highest bidder.

      Fourth, we are still talking about a missing girl. With her family suffering without doubt the worst hardship through the Chrismas time. All my thoughts and prayers are with the family.

      This was part one, I will continue with part two later.

      Your Joost.
      Who also told you the case would be temporarily closed this week, because I happen to know how Aruba and the legal system of the Netherlands work.

      It had to be closed this week, because all government officials go on holliday for the comming two weeks ! An Average Dutch governmental employee get 25 days + 12 days + all official celebration days free. TEMPORARILY case closed, untill new evidence is discovered.

      As I said, my part two will be coming, after the break.

    4. Vicki on December 19th, 2007 10:49 am

      This is just what they did when they said Natalee had been found and then retracted it…THEY ARE LOSERS…dont know their heads from their butts…vacations my behind…who does that#3????who brings in the 3 pimps a month ago saying they have new evidence then releases them and goes on a 2 week vacation except Karin???? They have messed up BIG TIME now…all they did was tell the AMERICANS what jerks they are…My friends are all talking about this…In the supermarket when I wear my Natalee shirt, ppl stop and ask me about the stupidity of the non officials there, and believe me I tell them all about that EVIL VILE place….LIERUBA, you have hung yourself like so many on your island…..

    5. John on December 19th, 2007 10:56 am

      I hate this F**KING Island! They are going to pay and pay and pay for this cover up. We need to get our american hotels out of there. We need to abandon this island in force. No tourism AND no american commerce.

      They had more than enough evidence. They abandoned Natalee Holloway’s justice because the main perp is connected to daddy who is a judge in training or whatever. How does Paulus ever preside over any legal decision after this? What a joke! Daddy was in it from the start. Is it a coincidence that he was surfing Google for drug/alcohol reactions at 6 a.m. after Natalee disappeared?

      They drugged her, raped her, and killed her. Does it mean that they are innocent just because they let these boys off? I hope they enjoyed their family celebration knowing Joran is a monster who murders innocent young women. Wow Anita, you have so much to be proud of in your giant boy. Keep celebrating. Maybe the younger ones are going to be murderers too and fill you with pride.

      Go F**K yourselves van der Sloots and Kalpoes! I hope after we americans turn your economy inside out the locals will demand that you leave.

    6. Sharon Chicago on December 19th, 2007 11:01 am

      Thanks Scared Monkey for telling it like it is… the TRUTH

    7. on December 19th, 2007 11:22 am

      “That definitely concludes the case”, said De Bie. “All’s well that ends well. There was just not enough evidence.”

      Say what? All’s well that ends well? What ended well for Natalee? What ended well for Beth and Dave? This is so heartless beyond belief. It’s like Tacopina and the van der snoots holding a party – Natalee Holloway, an American teen with huge promise is DEAD.

      This whole thing smells and I’m guessing that it has to do with the Persistence actually finally looking in the right place. That way, if they find Natalee’s body, the Arubans can say that the evidence is tainted, planted, blah blah blah. Hurry up and close the case, release any evidence that they have to the media so that the courts will throw it out and then accuse Dave and Beth of planting the only evidence Aruba didn’t get their hands on to make it disappear.

      You just wait and see – this IS Aruba’s most recent plot.

      As I said in another thread, by the end of 2008, hotel occupancy in Aruba at 75.9% is going to look really good!

    8. Aruban Cesspool on December 19th, 2007 11:25 am

      Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for Joran.

    9. gary on December 19th, 2007 11:34 am

      finally things may get back to normal.try booking a room for the 24-dec-1 jan-u cant because there are tons of people there.people forget-maybe you wont and i totally understand—but some people dont care.they will be ok without the 1200 people that want to boycott

    10. Pat in Alabama on December 19th, 2007 11:43 am

      If you are a stockholder of any company that owns a hotel building or does other business with Aruba, you can make your opinion known to the board of directors of the company. Write to them and let them know you will vote accordingly at the next stockholder’s meeting, or better yet, dump their stock!

    11. Libby on December 19th, 2007 11:48 am

      Mommy T #2. Got that right. Doesn’t matter what they find. They will do nothing. They have had everything they need to prosecute those perps since the beginning…including Natalee…but have done nothing except destroy evidence and lie. If they do find Natalee, they better keep hold of her because she will disappear again along with anything else they find with her.

      Gary, #9, Have a good time. If you have a daughter, wife or girlfriend, I’d leave them at home. Unless, of course, you don’t care if they get gang raped, tortured and murdered…and then tossed to sea, tossed in the local dump or cremated.

    12. disgustedmom on December 19th, 2007 11:51 am

      John Q Kelly said now that the case is closed he is able to have access to all the case files. Anyone besides me think he will only think he has access to all the case files? IMO no way are they going to let the world know all they know.

      The boat is there getting ready to do the water search. I hope this puts the stolen cage lie to rest. And yeah, I think it’s a lie that a cage was stolen. I might eat crow on this one, but time will tell.

      The problem we’ve seen in Aruba is not just an Aruban thing. It’s a thing that goes on in Mexico as well as on other Caribbean Islands. I saw a special on TV about Spring Breaks Gone Bad and I don’t want to say I was shocked, but well….

      Examples from the show:

      3 guys went to Cancun on a travel package. They took a bus to go out to bar hop but missed their stop so they got off at the next stop where they were accosted by cops, robbed and beaten up and they couldn’t even get any help because it was the cops who did it. The next night, the cops got them again in some other location. They didn’t encounter any more episodes with the cops after they moved to a different hotel. Seems they thought their hotel was targeted as a place where locals and cops who were up to no good with tourists stalked to take advantage of tourists.

      Mark Kiljoy went across the Texas border to some party town in Mexico. He did not return with his group of friends. He was found to have been kidnapped and eaten by a drug cult that believed if they ate the brain of a smart person they would be smarter. Mark was 21, a pre-med student considered by his friends to be the smartest of them, just like Natalee. When they finally found Mark’s body there were 12 others buried in the same place who had met the same fate of being eaten, but the cops were unaware, or so they said, that any others had been reported missing. It was just that Mark’s family didn’t let go that made it possible he was eventually found….along with so many others.

      So I mean, horrid things go on in the world all over the place, but it seems these places designated as party places are prime spots to have something horrible happen to you which the cops won’t handle properly because they are in on it.

    13. disgustedmom on December 19th, 2007 11:55 am

      Boycott Greta!

      Last night she told Joe Tacopina to tell the VDS’s she wished them well and she hoped Joran did well in school.

    14. disgustedmom on December 19th, 2007 11:58 am

      OH, sorry….that was not Mark Kiljoy…it was Mark Kilroy. Google his name if you want to read some gross stuff about what happened to him and others like him.

      Shout out to Patti! I guess your theory about the sacrifice was not such a far fetched thing afterall.

    15. on December 19th, 2007 11:58 am

      Hey Gary – I can find you plenty of rooms in Aruba! I looked and there are TONS of them opened on just about any travel site you go it – offered at a discount no less!

    16. deb on December 19th, 2007 12:06 pm

      I cant believe Greata believes Joran and wished the Arubans well!! Greta needs to call for a boycott to redeem herself in Americans eyes. EVERYONE knows this whole thing was a big coverup and anyone who is anyone in Aruban knows what happened to Natalee. We need to get reps in each state to write to State Reps and Senate, etc to call for boycott. What would President Bush do if his twins disappeared there-boycott Aruba maybe????? Natalee and her family need our support so we WILL GET TO WORK TO SEE THAT ARUBA GOES BANKRUPT OR BECOMES LIKE CUBA TO AMERICANS!

    17. Sharon Chicago on December 19th, 2007 12:06 pm

      I hope Greta feels like a fool when Joran finally is charged for murder. How could she possibly think he is innocent!!

      The truth will eventually come forth…they all in the end will not have gotten away with murder…someday, some hour justice for Natalee will arrive.

      God bless you Beth and Dave and families.

    18. on December 19th, 2007 12:06 pm

      Here ya go Gary: Go to
      Openings at: Occidental Grand, Marriott, Marriott vacation club, Marriott Resort – well those are just a few.

    19. Sharon Chicago on December 19th, 2007 12:08 pm

      I thought Greta was smart….is this just a dream a plot a scam for her to befriend the Van der sluts so that she can have another interview for Joran to screw up on?…tell me this is so???

      Otherwise, she cannot be very smart to even think Joran is not guilty of any crime committed.

    20. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 12:08 pm

      In view of the Aruba and Dutch decision in the Natalee Holloway investigation; which was to close the investigation and drop all charges against the known last three males to have been with her on the night she disappeared; an increase scope of travel and product boycotts is mandated.
      The investigative farce was heightened by the fact that the three were not even prosecuted for crimes punishable against Aruban law.
      Let us start here:
      Protest Anheuser-Busch for distributing the Dutch Beer by Groisch.

      Anheuser-Busch Corporate Headquarters
      ONE Busch Place
      St. Louis, MO 63118

      One should include a picture of Dave Holloway searching for Natalee in Aruba’s garbage dump. Include an excerpt from Beth’s book from Dennis Jacobs.
      What do we need your daughter for; we have puntas (whores) of our own.
      Those two examples would have been sufficient reason for boycotts in themselves.

    21. on December 19th, 2007 12:14 pm

      Hey Gary, you can find even more Aruba hotels open for 12/24/2007 through 01/01/2008 at

      Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino
      Riu Palace Aruba – All Inclusive

      There’s also a couple of cruises open as long as you want Aruba on your itinerary. You see, Aruba is one of the few places Americans simple don’t want to go on vacation even during the heavily traveled holiday season. So you are sure to find plenty of openings.

    22. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 12:32 pm

      sharon 19:
      my opinion she is not smart;
      Read through this…

    23. nurturer on December 19th, 2007 12:45 pm

      #2 – MommyTraveller – Doesn’t your neighbor understand the definition of the word BOYCOTT, or is she now only getting on board?

      By her spending her money in Aruba, she essentially condones how Natalee Holloway’s case was handled AND how the Holloway-Twitty’s were treated.

      Did anyone explain that to her?

    24. Skyboxx on December 19th, 2007 12:57 pm

      ABANDON ARUBA! Not a phone call, an email, no reservations for travel of any kind. Na, nyet, nothing.

      Write letters to travel agencies asking them not to include aruba. Let our voices be heard, since Natalee’s was silenced.

      ABANDON this island which is heavily dependent on travel. When it can’t support a single hotel, then they will know the power of justice for Natalee.

    25. kayjay on December 19th, 2007 12:58 pm

      IMO Fox should fire Greta for her bad judgment of character and her own bad character. All she can think of is her ratings..perhaps she’d better rethink her strategy or her ratings will go the same way as Aruba’s. (Maybe she fancies the little

    26. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 1:09 pm

      Shell International Petroleum
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      Shell Oil Company
      Head Office
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      Houston, TX 77252-2463
      One should include a picture of Dave Holloway searching for Natalee in Aruba’s garbage dump. Include an excerpt from Beth’s book from Dennis Jacobs.
      What do we need your daughter for; we have puntas (whores) of our own.
      Those two examples would have been sufficient reason for boycotts in themselves.

    27. da_wench on December 19th, 2007 1:15 pm

      It’s sickening to me that there still is no closure for Natalee’s family. We all want the truth to come out and the guilty parties tried and convicted. I do think the lynch mob mentality only serves to discredit those who believe J2K (with the help of papa Sloot and others) caused Natalee’s death and disappearance. There has to be a system. When the system doesn’t work, the people of that country have to change it. It is not our right or responsibility to abolish corruption in foreign countries. We still have plenty of that in our own country. Only Arubans can change Aruba. All we can do is tell Natalee’s story and hope that travelers choose not to spend their money on an island that cares nothing about their civil or human rights. There are a lot of other missing persons here and abroad, and there are living people being victimized by foreign governments as well. There are so many causes and such little time.

      I met Beth Holloway a few months ago at one of her book signings. I have a deep admiration for her. She has suffered the most horrific ordeal of her life and is determined to prevent it from happening to other families. It is people like us who have helped give Natalee’s family the strength to move forward. We helped to show them that they were not alone. We have to use positive energy to make positive changes. I know that I have had sudden urges to reach through the tv to scratch out the eyes of a smirking suspect (in this case as well as others) and I hate it when I let angry take over my senses. I have often wondered if Joran would die of natural causes or by some freak accident in the near future. But we have to be better than Joran, better than Paulus, better than Aruban law enforcement, better than Aruban government. Sometimes life is not fair. Sometimes crimes go unpunished. We must do our best to seek and administer justice, but when we cannot, we must let go and let a higher power have control…for our own health and sanity.

      I hope that Natalee’s body is some day recovered and that the whole truth will be learned, but I refuse to let my anger control me for one more minute. I believe that the guilty ones here will suffer a private hell for the rest of their living days and their punishment will come in this life, or the next. Let’s follow Beth’s example of strength and determination and do what we can to make a difference in the lives of others. We need to spread the word about Aruba and other unsafe travel destinations, we need to love and protect our children by teaching them to be smart and safe no matter where they are, and we need to support each other in those efforts.

    28. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 1:17 pm

      My neighbors knows. They won a 4-day all-inclusive vacation there in some magazine contest. Told me they didn’t spend a dime and they felt the resentment toward Americans. There were practically no tourists anywhere.

      Voice your opinions to Greta at:

    29. nurturer on December 19th, 2007 1:40 pm

      #28 – What kind of resentment? Did she give examples?

    30. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 1:42 pm

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      Sent me an email to buy tulips. My replay Sorry; Boycott because of Natalee Holloway
      One should include a picture of Dave Holloway searching for Natalee in Aruba’s garbage dump. Include an excerpt from Beth’s book from Dennis Jacobs.
      What do we need your daughter for; we have puntas (whores) of our own.
      Those two examples would have been sufficient reason for boycotts in themselves.

    31. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 1:59 pm

      Yes – mainly angry that they weren’t spending any money. NADA. Everything was included in their prize – airfare, hotel accommodations, food at the hotel, drinks, coupon for cab ride to their hotel and back, etc. They had been told there were no places to visit so they just stayed at their hotel. They don’t gamble so the casinos were of no interest. When they checked out, their hotel bill was zero. Apparently, when they brought up the subject of Natalee was when their attitude was evident. They were approached by drug dealers at the hotel pool and beach area, disguised as hotel employees (at least they thought that).

      Does anyone know if the any of the beaches are considered “private” – only for the exclusive use of each hotel?

    32. Gabriel Leo on December 19th, 2007 1:59 pm

      Hell yeah # 9 Hell Yeah!

      Hey Katablog how about February 30? look it up and let us knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ;)

    33. Susan on December 19th, 2007 1:59 pm

      #7 – My sentiments exactly!! I can’t believe Di Bie would have the nerve to say “all’s well that ends well” in reference to Natalee’s disappearance, i.e., no legitimate investigation conducted ever by the PIGS, no closure for Beth and Dave, and NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

      If it had been Di Bie’s daughter or son or one of the Aruban/Dutch officials children that had come up missing, we can damn well bet that they would be screaming bloody murder! Maybe someday they will have to walk in Beth and Dave’s shoes. I don’t wish that on anyone, but karma can be a real b*tch when it comes back to bite us in the buttocks…



      Godspeed Persistence and crew!

    34. on December 19th, 2007 2:17 pm

      #27 Da_wench: Well said. Please posters, read her message again and again and again and take it to heart. It is so easy to allow your emotions over this situation rule, but don’t.

      We aren’t a 3rd world country. We believe in justice and the rule of law. To threat to do harm to those involved in the Aruba cover-up only makes us look as evil and unsavory as they.

      We must use economic and any other legal means to put the heat on one little crappy island or wipe it off the face of the map for would-be tourists.

      Threatening violence puts us in the same evil boat as the perps of this awful crime and does nothing to honor Natalee.

    35. Vicki on December 19th, 2007 2:20 pm

      32- Gab, you are a loud mouth FOOL…may your soul rot in HELL, along with your familys…

    36. Richard on December 19th, 2007 2:35 pm

      I also find it interesting that they repeated they are “100% certain” that Natalee is dead.

      No body, no crime? If they are so certain, why won’t they prosecute? What is the “evidence” that they have, and that van der Straaten said he had seen less than two weeks after Natalee vanished?

      Does anyone else, besides me, want to think that they are so insistent that Natalee is dead …

      …precisely because they know, or suspect, or have reason to believe that she is not dead, or at least was taken off Aruba alive?

      I still don’t see any other logical explanation for their behavior.

      But we won’t give in, and we won’t give up.

      And as to the calls of some Aruban officials to Fox News (who knows the status of THAT at this point?), I think it says more about Greta vS’s “conversion” (“I’m inclined to believe Joran”) than it does anything else.

      They’re playing the media all they can….

    37. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2007 3:09 pm

      Tito Marble Mouth Lacle on TV discussing case closed/not closed issue–”We don’t understand their system.”

      That’s right, Tito. We don’t understand a system that relies on forensic evidence but fails to collect it.

      #9 You are delusional if you think only 1200 people will boycott. We get at least that much interest and and several times over at the travel shows alone.

      Speaking of which, Boston and NY are VERY important events.
      Both at the end of Feb–only one week apart.

    38. Miss-Underestimated on December 19th, 2007 3:09 pm

      Hell, doesn’t look too busy today.
      Empty beaches

      Hell Yeah…

    39. Carpe Noctem on December 19th, 2007 3:11 pm

      Wait, that fag Hans Mos called back.

      It is still OPEN??? Theses people are UNREAL?

      They are f’ing outta their minds!!!



    40. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 3:14 pm

      Well well well…….sounds like Jurine expects Natalee and additional eviddence to be found since he’s already pulling the Holloway’s planted it crap. F U JURINE You’ll get yours buddy.

    41. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 3:19 pm

      To: Katablog and Da_wench.
      Exactly; We are not 3rd world powers we have the ability to hurt them; Aruba and the Netherlands economically.
      That is why I will not post any more speculation as to what happened. The time for rhetoric has ended. Actions speak louder than words.
      Money Talks and BullSh-t Walks.
      My next address will be for Phillips.
      Richard perhaps you may be right afterall; my only contention would be why trust 3 a$$holes to pull it off in the first place and was Natalee the primary or seconday target? My reasoning is the three are constantly confusing Natalee with Ruth.

    42. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 3:23 pm

      Gabriel Leo – or is it Leo Gabriel? Maybe – like Leon or Leonard? Try the Houston phonebook – was there recently. One of the listings is actually for a mortuary.

    43. downloadingdaddy on December 19th, 2007 3:43 pm

      If the attorneys are already claiming planted evidence before anything is found then it seems apparent that something truly could be found and the j2k camp is running scared. Think about it, they closed the case the day the search begun and the powers that be in aruba are talking about planted evidence before any is found? These people are transparent and it is obvious that even when Natalee is found that there will be no justice in Aruba for Natalee.

      Boycott Aruba because your mothers, girlfriends, wife and or daughters life depends on it!

      No justice for Natalee
      No tourists for Aruba
      and declining profits for aruban dutch and american companies that support aruba and the netherlands.

    44. truthseeker2 on December 19th, 2007 4:01 pm

      #43 –

      They aren’t running scared in Aruba. They know d@mn well they will get away with this. Joe Tacoboy is the one making stupid comments like that. Hey…Joe…how about we let the FBI monitor the search? If you think ALE should be in cahrge of that you really are as crazy as you sound. ALE had their chance and they intentionally ‘botched it’. (For those that do not understand their system…botching a case is the same as covering up for the Dutch)

    45. I have the answers on December 19th, 2007 4:01 pm

      Joran has mental problems because his mom Anita is fat, ugly, full of cellulite and a big fat a$$. She wears the dumbest looking clothes but thinks she stylish with her big plastic bobble necklaces. His dad Paulus is a pathetic idiot with man boobs, glasses and a big fat gut.

      Send the parents to Betty Ford and Jenny Craig and Joran’s problems should be resolved.

      van der Sloots go f- yourselves and your little celebration. You all know he killed her. Are you so proud of your son the rapist/murderer?

    46. nurturer on December 19th, 2007 4:02 pm

      The truth as I see it about the case closing, is that this case was closed from the get go. It closed on May 31, 2005.

      It just wasn’t made official until now.

      Meaning of course, that the Aruban LE flunkies, including the Prosecutors (excluding one in particular), Van Der Sloot’s favorite judge, and especially the so-called “police”, with their fat bellies and extra bowls of Corn Flakes, simply went through the motions.

      There never was really an investigation. More importantly, there was an investigation to “stop and divert THE investigation”. It was theatre. A show. It was “An Aruban Play”.

      And if ever there is ever a movie made of this incident, that is what it should be called, “An Aruban Play”. And “the play”, the “staging” was there for our benefit. To give us a good impression of Aruba. A safe Aruba. An Aruba where, for no apparent reason, one can disappear into the night, never to be heard from again. And the epilogue for that ‘play’ will be entitled, “We tried.”

      #36 – As for Greta. She’s an opportunist. And opportunists are fence sitters. Right now she’s siding with the perceived winner. How interesting would it be for HER ratings to suddenly begin to diminish due to a boycott of her program. It’s a crass and tasteless program to begin with.

      Could you people on this forum stand not to hear the whiney voice of your beloved Greta again???

    47. Miss-Underestimated on December 19th, 2007 4:08 pm

      If Natalee is found, who “owns” the evidence?
      If Natalee is found in international waters, is intepool involved?

    48. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 4:18 pm

      Hey 1906

      You’re right Money Talks and not having any can bring Aruba to it’s knee’s.

      IT’S ON ARUBA!~

    49. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 4:23 pm

      I noticed a poster (Lynda) posted a list of products to boycott and Michelle over at ArubaBoycott has had a list up on her site aswell.

      I’ve shunned buying Citgo (Valero) gas since the day Michelle posted it and thank you 1906 for adding to the list.

      I’m PROUD to say i’ve not bought ANY gas from those company’s either!!~

    50. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 4:24 pm

      Phillips Electronics
      N. A Corporation
      1251 Avenue of the Americas
      New York City, NY 10020
      One should include a picture of Dave Holloway searching for Natalee in Aruba’s garbage dump. Include an excerpt from Beth’s book from Dennis Jacobs.
      What do we need your daughter for; we have puntas (whores) of our own.
      Those two examples would have been sufficient reason for boycotts in themselves.

    51. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Good questions Miss-U, i’m sure JQK has looked into these matters don’t you think?

    52. Ditch Greta Van Dutch on December 19th, 2007 4:31 pm

      I used to like Greta but I saw the interview too where she offered well wishes to Joran and to work hard in school. blah blah blah, she is an opportunist and I believe all she wants is to get an interview with the monster Joran. No more Greta for me! She is banned now too as far as I am concerned.

      She was there with Paulus days after the crime as he sat in his home sweating like the pig that he is! Greta is for sale just like everyone else surrounding this crime. It seemed like Beth trusted her as a friend too! Beth, Greta is no loyal friend to you. Time to ditch Greta!

    53. da_wench on December 19th, 2007 4:32 pm

      #34 – Thanks, doll.

      #47 – Good question. Hopefully Dave and Co. have already asked that question and are prepared in every way to find Natalee’s remains and to document preserve all of the evidence properly. Let’s send all of our hopes, prayers and positive energy to Dave and all the heros aboard the Perseverance.

    54. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 4:33 pm

      Oh dear lord guys….this is what i was waiting for and the sleezy Aruban/Dutch did not disappoint. That they are talking of evidence being found that it will be planted means they are in effect CONCEDING dear Natalee and all the missing evidence are in the deep waters just waiting to be found!

    55. richard on December 19th, 2007 4:35 pm

      10061096 (#41) … Remember, I think it’s most likely that Natalee was sold or taken off Aruba AFTER Joran and crew did … whatever they did.

      And with the good chance that someone else was involved, perhaps Freddy, Lorenzo, PvdS, all of the above?

      If Natalee woke up before she was supposed to, and fought back … she wasn’t some dumb Aruban who could be cowed by the “mighty Dutch.”

      She would have kicked the crap out of her assailants, to the extent she was conscious, coherent, and in control.

      And she damn well wouldn’t be terrified of some Dutch scum or their Aruban counterparts, or cowed by what “my daddy the judge can do.”

      That crap doesn’t work with Americans.

      So they had a choice on what to do … and maybe some Aruban girls were in on it … and maybe sheer sadism was at work … and maybe the “Pimps” had toyed with the idea of making one of their tourist girl targets into a slave purely because their sick adolescent minds thought it might be cool.

      I don’t know.

      But Aruba isn’t going to the lengths it’s going to merely for trash like van der Sloot.

    56. richard on December 19th, 2007 4:46 pm

      This AP article in from Puerto Rico … seems to be Jug Twitty speaking, though he’s not named.

      He says witnesses on Aruba know the truth, and that Aruban officials are inept. Gee whiz!

      SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) – Natalee Holloway’s stepfather is criticizing the decision to drop the case against the only known suspects in the teenager’s disappearance.

      He tells The Associated Press that he believes witnesses in Aruba know what happened but are not coming forward. He added that the decision to bring the case to an end after more than two years of searching was “a sad day for the Aruban people” because, in his words, “the officials there are inept.”

    57. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 5:01 pm

      Hey Joran – Did you invite Satish and Deepak to your celebration? Probably not. Why not?

    58. Miss-Underestimated on December 19th, 2007 5:10 pm

      Hey Mayan, good to see you,

      I was wondering if the Arubans can claim any evidence found?

      If Natalee is found in international waters, I was thinking that interpool may be involved.

      Anything that involves the Aruban pig herd is tainted or will be tainted and I am hoping anyone but the Dutch and ALE pig herd, will be handed in this.

    59. Meee on December 19th, 2007 5:19 pm

      I see in the Diario Newspaper today. There is mention of the case. Is there a translation anywhere?

    60. Joran is a MONSTER on December 19th, 2007 5:26 pm

      I bet our friends here on Scared Monkey can assist with getting the article translated. Post it!

    61. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 5:33 pm

      Good to see you too Miss-U and you too Carpe! Been wondering where you were sir…..did ya hear yesterday morning the called the case closed and by evening changed now calling it “a new phase”.

      Miss-U arn’t there still some DEA or FBI on or near the island as they were the night Natalee was stolen away? I HOPE SO!

      How disgusting that J Taco would say the Aruba prosecutor’s (gag) should be a part of this when they’ve not lifted a finger to help except the middle finger.

    62. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 5:43 pm

      While i hold great respect for katablog and de wench and what you’re saying about us having to be better than they are, i must say that throughout history many a Good Man (US Hero’s) had to take out bad men in order for us to be sitting here enjoying our freedoms and rights today. I think highly of all of you here & agree the best way is to tear them down economically but should we see pics of them dead on the internet it won’t bother me one bit.

    63. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 5:59 pm

      Jurine is a monster and he learned it well from his father Paules who imo was hitting on Natalee at the casino and his involvement wasn’t just to cover for his son. I think he used his own son to arrange the drugging and abduction of Natalee.
      After 2 1/2 years of watching how Aruban/Dutch conduct themselves i don’t think Paules was the only father using their son’s to help commit these kinds of crimes.

    64. PUBLIC FLOGGING on December 19th, 2007 6:10 pm

      It won’t hurt either to give them a lifetime’s worth of public flogging. Anyone who sees these perps on the street should be reminded daily that they are rapists and murderers and that they fooled no one!

      Give them the OJ Simpson treatment

    65. Bob on December 19th, 2007 6:27 pm

      Natalee Holloway’s Family Blames Investigators’ Mistakes for Dead End
      Wednesday, December 19, 2007

      SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — The family of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway on Wednesday blamed mistakes by Aruban investigators for bringing the case to a dead end after more than two years of searching.

      The girl’s stepfather, Jug Twitty, said he believes witnesses in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba know what happened but are not coming forward, and he criticized prosecutors’ decision to drop the case against the only known suspects.

      “It’s also I think a sad day for the Aruban people because the officials there are inept,” Twitty told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Birmingham, Alabama. Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, referred a reporter’s questions about the handling of the case to Jug Twitty.

      The Aruba Public Prosecutor’s Office said Tuesday it will not charge the three young men who were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on May 30, 2005, the night she vanished during a trip to the island with members of her Mountain Brook, Alabama, high school graduating class.

      Jug Twitty said the girl’s mother was considering appealing the prosecutor’s decision and hoped a new search by a Texas-based private group in the waters off Aruba might find Holloway’s body.

      The three suspects — Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe — were re-arrested last month and questioned for several days before their release. Prosecutors said they still believe the young men played a role in the girl’s disappearance, but they cannot prove it without recovering her body. She was 18 when she vanished.

      Detectives are assigned to review any new evidence that surfaces in the case, said John Pauly, a communications consultant for the prosecutor’s office. Pauly added that prosecutors will detail some evidence at a news conference Thursday at the Aruban prime minister’s office.

      Van der Sloot, 20, a college student who was re-arrested in the Netherlands, declined to comment when reached Wednesday morning at his parents’ home in Aruba.

      “I’m sorry but I really have better things to do than this, OK?” he told the AP over the phone.

      Jug Twitty, who recently divorced Beth Twitty, said police botched the investigation from the start by waiting nine days to arrest the three suspects, giving them “plenty of time to cover their tracks.”

      “There are also people I believe that know what happened but won’t say anything because they have to live on that island,” he said.

      Complaints the last two years about the handling of the investigation prompted calls for a tourism boycott by officials in the United States, including Alabama Gov. Bob Riley.

      “We’ll be glad when it’s out of the media … We’ve suffered enough,” said John Herbert, a receptionist at the Arubiana Inn on the island of white sand beaches off the coast of Venezuela.

    66. da_wench on December 19th, 2007 6:47 pm

      #62 – Thank you for your kind words, mayan. Please know that I would not cry over any spilled Dutch guts. I agree that good men have had to do bad things in order to protect others. My point here is that we should not let our hearts and souls be invaded by the same blackness that lives in the evil ones who played a part in this tragedy. We are better than that. When I read the posts that scream for vengenence, I am concerned for the poster. Aruba and the monsters involved should not be allowed to affect or control our emotions. It’s hard, I know. I have thought of ways to torture the b*st*rds myself.

    67. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2007 6:51 pm


      Yoo-hoo! Why did you not investigate the people who

      Weren’t you at all suspicious of the FIRST TEN DAYS
      when Joran and the Kalpoes roamed free (despite being the last ones seen with Natalee AND lying about the Holiday Inn dropoff)?

      Weren’t you at all suspicious about the lack of forensic evidence?


      “All’s well that ends well”? Does Aruba really think this will be the end of the media coverage and boycott? HAHAHAHA

      The boycott you previously saw was just a warmup.

    68. JWS on December 19th, 2007 6:55 pm

      Joran says that he has better things to do while on aruba than talk to the press. Perhaps he could go out and find the real killer just like oj is doing.

    69. Maggie on December 19th, 2007 7:12 pm

      Just to show the double speak and sick comments that were made about the case of a missing tourist in his own country. He thinks they are doing a good job and can investigate, but afterwards he wants an investigation into the I am Sick of this case.

      Don’t forget this article posted on SM January 23, 2006

      ARUBA — After the Holloway-case is closed, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) wants a thorough investigation be conducted on the course of everything that had to do with the investigation on the disappeared American teenager, especially the begin phase. He thinks that mistakes were made especially in this phase. “I have already spoken with the Court president, Louis de Lannooy and with former judge Bob Wit.”

      Oduber says that the investigation must reveal whether mistakes were made, so we can learn from them. Oduber’s statement is due to the Amigoe-comment of yesterday “Enough, this is it” of yesterday. “We have to figure out which mistakes were made and how to prevent these in the future. We have to come to standing agreements between the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the police on how to conduct an investigation and how to deal with the local as well as the international media in these cases. There is too much talk about the case and what is said, differs too much. The OM says one thing and the police say another. That confuses the Americans.”

      Oduber disputes the fact that he himself had recently approached a group to come look for the girl in Aruba. “I am sick and tired of the case. I do not talk about this case with people; not with the Attorney General, not with the OM. In the beginning I have discussed the matter with the American FBI, but I do not do that anymore. The OM and the Aruban police are doing the investigation and they have to try to conclude it right. I think that Aruba can do the investigation right herself, but if the OM and the police are of the opinion that they need assistance from abroad, they can get that. I am not the one to decide on that.”

      If those in Aruba ever wondered why Americans are as upset as they are and make the conscious choice as individuals to not visit Aruba, just take a look at what your Prime Minister says.

      “I am sick and tired of the case”

      Please tell me the PM thinks this case is just going to go away. He is sick of the case? Do you really think that’s what potential Americans on the fence of deciding to go to Aruba or go else where want to hear? This case that you are sick of happened on your island, deal with it.

      Then there comes the following contradiction of statements. The Aruban PM thinks Aruba can investigate the crime, yet wants to have a thorough investigation after the Natalee Holloway case is over so they “can learn from their mistakes”. All the Holloway & Twitty families want is a thorough investigation now.

      “I think that Aruba can do the investigation right herself …”

      After the Holloway-case is closed, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) wants a thorough investigation be conducted on the course of everything that had to do with the investigation on the disappeared American teenager, especially the begin phase. He thinks that mistakes were made especially in this phase.

      Oduber says that the investigation must reveal whether mistakes were made, so we can learn from them.

    70. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 7:16 pm

      That last sentence in the above statement says it all: “We’ll be glad when it’s out of the media … We’ve suffered enough,” said John Herbert, a receptionist at the Arubiana Inn…”
      I thought the boycott wasn’t working – hmmmm……… So, Arubans think they have suffered enough. Well – John and other Arubans reading here – it has only just begun. What about the suffering that Natalee went through? What about the suffering that her family has endured? Aruba will forever be associated with this story. It will never be “out of the media.” It will be on the internet forever – and those books will be out there forever – actually, you can even thank Joran for that. These people just don’t get it.

    71. Maggie on December 19th, 2007 7:17 pm

      Truthseeker you are right.. Oduber says he wasn’t the one to decide if they needed outside help in the case. JoeT complaining as is Joran about the cops, yet Paulus went to court to keep the FBI out.

      Add these 2 to the pathetic other people, like Rudy Croes shutting Beth up and Oduber sick of this case.

      “We’ll be glad when it’s out of the media … We’ve suffered enough,” said John Herbert, a receptionist at the Arubiana Inn on the island of white sand beaches off the coast of Venezuela.

      The bailiff of the OM informed Lawyer Ariean de Bie of this between 11:00 and 12:00 this morning. “That definitely concludes the case”, said De Bie. “All’s well that ends well.

      Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future,, Rudy Croes

    72. diverboy on December 19th, 2007 7:38 pm

      no matter what they say as to how tourism is not affected, I can tell you this…our dive shop has eliminated Aruba (aruba, bonaire and curacao actually) as a dive destination. there were 2 trips a year of 16 divers, maybe 35K dollars dont amount to a whole lot, but tell that to the folks that we did business down there with. If our people are not valued there, neither is our money.

    73. Mike on December 19th, 2007 7:45 pm


      I have a fleet of trucks that I use in my business. I used BP gas which is a division of Shell. I changed companies almost 2 years ago because of this case. It has cost them almost 200,000 dollars so far and counting.

    74. Richard on December 19th, 2007 7:56 pm

      GOOD FOR YOU, Diverboy. This sort of “real action” is what we need.

      Note Oduber’s comment:

      “The OM says one thing and the police say another. That confuses the Americans.”

      Gee, I wonder why? Maybe it’s because we want TRUTH? I guess it doesn’t confuse the Arubans, though … any old lie is good enough for them.

      And in Aruba, what they say today is wrong the next day. Guess we just don’t know their system … or maybe we know it all too well.

    75. gary on December 19th, 2007 7:57 pm


      You can see or say what you want-if you try and book a hotel on or expedia for the 24 of Dec to the 1 of January-there is only 1 available—occidental—and its 888 per night-try it-if your fantasy boycott was working–you woud be able to find hotels for 2-3 hundred—however there is only ONE available and its very expensive.why you may ask?because Aruba continues to be a popular destination for Americans.I was there 10 days ago and there were tons of people everywhere.the airports have long lines because there are people there-not vice versa-just face it-if you dont like Aruba—fine—just do not try and lie and manipulate people into taking your extreme views.just dont go-they dont need u.I can tell you that Main street is full of Americans, and Crusie ships are coming in daily.Also nice condos opening by C&C….Im an American living in TT and can tell you that Arubans are still very nice and welcoming towards Americans.Its an isolated incident and you just have to face the facts.

    76. Maggie on December 19th, 2007 8:04 pm

      This is another example of how the defense lawyers talk out both sides of their mouths and will say about anything..

      Joe T and his group wants to throw Mike Nifong’s name in this when talking about the prosecutor and saying they have nothing, inept etc.. yet

      today they are complaining that the Prosecutor’s office isn’t involved in the water search, because the people on the boat might invent evidence.. Now which is it, are the prosecutors believable or not?

      The Public Prosecution Service has distanced himself of the private
      search operation. This to dissatisfaction of the lawyer of Joran of of
      the ditch, Ariean the Bie, which fears that there without control
      perhaps sometimes evidence can be invented. “they this way handtasje
      are able lay.”

    77. KrisG on December 19th, 2007 8:12 pm

      #72. Good idea to eliminate Aruba as a dive destination, diverboy. Before Natalee was taken we dived in Aruba. I felt the water was too choppy from the wind and thought I’d be tossed into the side of the wreck. There are many better diving destinations.


    78. diverboy on December 19th, 2007 8:15 pm

      Xmas is a time when we have reunions with other divers/diveclubs, police and firemen that we help with voluntary diving services for search and rescue….it will be presented there as well.

    79. diverboy on December 19th, 2007 8:19 pm

      “just dont go-they dont need u.”

      very well put. you are absolutely correct. they dont need me, just my money. Unfortunately, we both go together. Like Natalee, huh? They didnt need her, just her money.

    80. mommytraveler on December 19th, 2007 8:23 pm


      I just pulled it up. Plenty of rooms still available from $271 per night.

    81. BingoWings on December 19th, 2007 8:29 pm

      Unfortunately not all Americans seem to be taking a boycott seriously.

      UB Promises Million Dollar 1st Prize in 2008 Aruba Poker Classic

      Although its almost a year a way, Ultimate Bet wanted people to start getting excited for this years 2008 Aruba Poker Classic. “We’re heading back to Aruba for the biggest poker celebration of the decade,” stated spokesperson George MacLean. “And we’re bringing the largest first place prize in our history with us.” The million dollar guarantee is quite a step, as this past years champion Travis Rice took home about $800,000. Qualifiers for the 2008 Aruba Poker Classic will begin online at in early January 2008. Further details on the 2008 Aruba Poker Classic are available at

    82. on December 19th, 2007 8:45 pm

      #75 Gary: I pulled up numerous Hotel openings in Aruba for the dates you specified as I listed this morning from both and FunJet. Trust me, I didn’t make them up because I’ve got no clue (nor do I want to know) what hotels are in Aruba. Maybe you need a new browser.

      You couldn’t beg me to actually stay in Aruba. Aruba is a vacation destination from hell! We are going to Cabo San Lucas for 14 days.

      Yes, hotels are expensive in Aruba, as is food and everything else. I can stay in a 4.5 star hotel in Cabo all inclusive for what I could get in Aruba for about 4 days!

      But don’t worry, by this time next year, there will be even more hotel openings in Aruba.

      By the way those crowds at the airport (clearly reported in an article reference here at SM) were people attempting to GET OUT of Aruba. And who really could blame them. We all already know about the airport problems in Aruba too. Another way you put your life at risk in Aruba, just flying into the airport.

      It’s clear that if you really just came back from Aruba that you already know what a junk yard it is and how many openings there are. 16 whole people on the beach today. Wow, what a crowd. Wonder if they all found a place to sit.

    83. Allan on December 19th, 2007 8:50 pm


      Please just keep your ass in Aruba no more scum needed here. Gary you face the facts Natalee was murdered or sold into slavery and the crime was covered up in Aruba, that was very easy to see. In case you had your head up some Aruban or Dutch butt for the past two years you would know this.

      Gary you are the one with the extreme views. If you like Aruba by all means stay there and don’t try and manipulate people into its ok. Nobody will buy that here. Unfortunately some Americans don’t give a damn about anything but themselves too like your Arubans and Dutch. For me, nobody I know will cruise thru Aruba. I don’t associate with that kind of people.

    84. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2007 8:59 pm

      Thanks da_wench for sharing that you too have at times felt that way and you’re right i don’t want them thinking they are controling our emotions. Thats the last thing we want now in light of the way they played with our emotions in the most evil ways during the first few months when we still had faith there were some honorable people in Aruba.

    85. Carol Armstrong on December 19th, 2007 9:56 pm
    86. Carpe Noctem on December 19th, 2007 10:21 pm

      Oompah Loompah Dippety Deeeeee!!!


    87. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 10:34 pm

      mike 73; I’m sure Natalee thanks you. I do.

    88. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 10:37 pm

      81: bingowings; Is that poker or poke her? Are you trying to impress us or are you that good of a poke her player.

    89. sirensong on December 19th, 2007 10:49 pm

      Way to go Mike and diverboy!! So happy to hear that! If our media would point out what is really happening in the case, instead of just parroting what the Arubans and Dutch want us to believe, there may be more people doing the same. I am insulted that these “prize” trips to Aruba are being offered. Who would want to go to that dump! Oh, Gary does. Why don’t you take your female loved ones to Carlos & Charlie’s while you’re there?

    90. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 11:06 pm

      No wonder the Dutch are the way they are they cannot tell truth from fiction.
      The following is about the Queen Beatrix’ late husband.
      How the hell the World Court still exists in The Netherlands is incomprehensible.
      As with the other units of the Afrika Korps, replacement units were quickly raised from available troops stationed in Western Europe. As such, the Africa Division was reconstituted as the 90th Panzergrenadier Division in Sardinia during July 1943. Participating in the Sicily fighting before being evacuated to the Italian mainland in September of 1943, the division appeared opposite both the Americans and British as they pushed north. It was then very nearly wiped out in the bitter fighting with the 1st Canadian Infantry Division along the Moro River in late November of 1943. A short time later it was withdrawn into reserve at Frosinone and redesignated 90th Grenadier Division (Motorized). While still rebuilding, it was deployed piecemeal along the front in response to the Allies spring offensive in 1944 to serve as a rearguard while the balance of the German units in southern Italy fell back to the Winter Line. Shifted southeast from the Franco-Italian border in September of 1944, 90th Grenadier was finally listed as destroyed in the fighting south of Bologna. The remainder of its personnel surrendered to the Brazilian Expeditionary Force (FEB) in Italy capitulation in April of 1945.
      In 1944, he (Claus von Amsberg ) was conscripted to the German Wehrmacht.

      The Wehrmacht ordered and participated in numerous war crimes during World War II — massacres of civilians, executions of POWs, summary executions of Soviet political officers as sanctioned by the Commissar Order, and executions of prisoners of war and civilian hostages as punishment for partisan activities in occupied territories. Though the massive exterminations associated with the Holocaust were primarily committed by the SS and the Einsatzgruppen, the Wehrmacht was also involved, as there are cases in which German Army officers and soldiers cooperated with the Einsatzgruppen, rounding up Jews and others for internment or execution.

      He (Claus von Amsberg) became a member of the German 90th Panzergrenadier Division in Italy in March 1945, but was taken as a prisoner of war by the U.S. at Merano before taking part in any fighting.
      Well who was it The US at Merano or The FEB?
      Notice it made note that he didn’t do any fighting so he would not be charged with any war crimes. Funny how the Dutch manage to change history.

    91. martini on December 19th, 2007 11:07 pm

      Natalee’s body is no where near Aruba. Those in the know knew that from the beginning. That is why the cover up had enough backing to make all guilty go quiet. A boat took her away from Aruba. Natalee was not buried on that island nor dumped overboard anywhere close to Aruba.

    92. 10061906 on December 19th, 2007 11:28 pm

      90: What I’m trying to show is no matter who you are; when the chess game is over all the pieces get put back in the same BOX.
      Those on Aruba that covered the crimes against Natalee Holloway will have a very rude awaking; immortality does not exist. Some day they will be put back in the same box; the only difference will be their review on Judgement Day.
      Hell is forever.
      I would goes so far as to put a curse on their souls that even on their death bed, absolution will not be forthcoming.

    93. Miss-Underestimated on December 19th, 2007 11:33 pm

      The Dutch and Aruban are a packing of liars. Now they say the case is not closed. No wonder this case has gone on like this. They have tried to confuse and contort this case.

      Bottom line: the lying pack of stinkin pigs haven’t gotten anything over anyone.

      Look at the OJ case. Look at OJ now…better yet look at some of the attorneys who defended him, some are dead and some are invisible, the case made them a mockery of the system and they know it.

      Does anyone have any guess what would have been Joe T’s catch line in a trial? You know like Cochran : “if it does not fit you must aquit”

      Has anyone ever heard the “Dutch Mafia?”

    94. kayjay on December 19th, 2007 11:43 pm

      91. As you are so knowlegeable..where is she?

    95. Richard on December 19th, 2007 11:46 pm

      This was sent to the New Hampshire guy who let the crew of the Persistence stay at Aruba timeshares:

      In the face of media exploitation, government indifference and political silence in the Natalee Holloway travesty of justice, you deserve recognition for taking the initiative and doing something concrete to help.

      For two and a half years, one American family has been fighting a foreign government in trying to learn their daughter’s fate overseas. I don’t think that any sane person can doubt the existence of a cover-up in Aruba … if so, then the only alternative belief is that Aruba is neither capable of nor interested in protecting the well-being of foreign tourists.

      In any case, “we the people” who have supported Natalee’s family in their quest are deeply obliged to you. The Old Man of the Mountain may have fallen from his place, but as you demonstrate, the steadfast character of New England continues to be exemplified.

      (Disclosure: I am also of New England.)

      May the “Live free or die” slogan of New Hampshire remain in place, and find a partner phrase: “Give justice for Natalee or perish, Aruba.”

      In any case, as one of many anonymous Americans who are determined that the Aruban cover-up will not succeed, thank you again for your assistance to the crew of the Persistence.

    96. Patti on December 19th, 2007 11:52 pm

      Shout Back to Ya, Disgusted Mom!

      Good to see you back.


      Who cares what Aruba has to say. The Prime Minister said it in his own words that were later repeated, just last week, by the Minister of Justice: The recovery of Natalee’s remains would be the embarrassment of 97,000 people and the island would lose its’ reputation for being the safe and happy island. Since then, there has been nothing safe or happy about Aruba. There have been numerous suspicious deaths of people that some believe have ties to this case, or perhaps people who knew too much. Two network news workers were found hung in the open, outside their homes and all we get from Aruba is lip service. There is no justice in Aruba… only the vigulante justice that comes from being a member of the Arawak Nation and the safety that comes from not seeing, hearing, speaking or being touched by anything. Aruba is permanently buried with their heads in the sand. They will never solve this crime; because by doing so, they have to admit a cover-up… besides, how many people would go down with them? If the Prime Minister says there are 97,000 people that would be embarrassed by what was done to Natalee, how many were actually involved, either directly or indirectly.

      I hope and pray that Natalee is found in international waters, where she can be returned to her home and be examined forensically. That is my hope. I hope that, by her being found and in respect of the words spoken by Mr. Moes concerning Natalee being dead, we can use our own laws, our own law enforcement agencies, and our own judicial system to find justice for Natalee and peace for her family. I also pray that through the information provided to us through the forensic examination of Natalee, we can shut down Aruba so that no more children will have their lives taken away from them in the name of nationalism. The Arawak Nation is weak. They have taken more than a few body shots from us and the many people that have refused to go to Aruba in support of Natalee. Now, all we need is the knock out punch… what Pearl calls, Natalee’s truth, to put an end to the human suffering in Aruba. I pray for the fall of the Arawak Nation… a fall that is so severe that it is heard throughout the world to stop the sacrificing of our youth. To stop the cannibalism that is not just in Aruba, but in other parts of the world, as well. I pray that the United States will consider the threat that is in Aruba, as one that is too close to home. But most of all I pray for support of this boycott to keep our mission strong and our enemies weak.

      There will be justice in Aruba…


      Justice for Natalee

    97. Patti on December 20th, 2007 12:04 am

      #71 – Maggie:


      Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future,, Rudy Croes


      I’d say, now, he has alot more than just Beth to shut up. We are not going to go away, quietly.


      Boycott Aruba!

    98. Renee on December 20th, 2007 12:18 am

      Yes, boycott the mother fos~

    99. Bob on December 20th, 2007 12:46 am

      Good news! I think we might be able to fill all those vacant hotel rooms in Aruba this winter. According to an ad in the Travel section of the Al Jazeera website, the Iraqi and Afghan branches of Al-Qaeda are looking for a location to provide their members with a Winter Holiday vacation. To make them feel right at home, requirements should include: poor food, rude service, dirty rooms and huts, absence of any law authorities, mosquitos, drugs, hookers, and free weekly admission to Carlos & Charlies to observe savage behavior. Aruba topped their list as the destination of choice, since they are pleased Americans are now shunning Aruba in their BOYCOTT program.

      Representatives will contact local officials who are expected to welcome any tourists who are willing to visit with open arms.

      Boy those Arubans really attract the cream of the crop.

    100. Patti on December 20th, 2007 12:51 am


      I love that:

      Give Justice for Natalee, or Perish…


      Death to the Arawak Nation!

    101. Ray on December 20th, 2007 1:00 am

      Aruba I will not forgive and I will not forget the horrible way Natalee was treated on you island. I also will not forget or forgive the Horrible way you treated Natalee’s family. I would love to see your island sink below the

      waves like atlantis,never to be seen AGAIN.
      May you be annexed be VENEZUELA,I would settle for that.

    102. weasel on December 20th, 2007 1:30 am

      Joran has mental problems because his mom Anita is fat, ugly, full of cellulite and a big fat a$$. She wears the dumbest looking clothes but thinks she stylish with her big plastic bobble necklaces. His dad Paulus is a pathetic idiot with man boobs, glasses and a big fat gut.

      I have all the answers said : Send the parents to Betty Ford and Jenny Craig and Joran’s problems should be resolved.

      van der Sloots go f- yourselves and your little celebration. You all know he killed her. Are you so proud of your son the rapist/murderer?


      I have all the answers, this is the best post I have read on this board the entire year ! !
      Anita ia a fat slob, Paulus a bald pervert and Joran a spoiled rotten ass.

      the weasel

    103. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2007 2:10 am

      Thing is Aruba we won’t be played by your sorry a$$’s ever again. Your last little stunt the day before Thanksgiving raised no hopes….just eyebrows.

      Whats this i hear….this *new phase* means this case is open again? hahaha It’s so much fun to watch you bury yourselves in your own lies and stupidity.

    104. Renee on December 20th, 2007 3:21 am

      yeah Anita is short, fat and dumpy with no fashion sensibilities. No wonder Paulus is out looking for a little something from teenage girls in the casinos while his big a$$ celulite filled old hag is out of the country.

    105. Renee on December 20th, 2007 3:23 am

      not to mention that fat a$$ gave birth to a monster. I bet they are so proud!

    106. Mike on December 20th, 2007 3:27 am

      Please explain something for me and correct me:
      In the beginning Frankenstein confessed and was taking investigators to the body? A body was found and said to be a 7 yearold Columbian boy and they could not find his parents? Did anybody ever see this body? How could Aruba arrive at that conclusion so quickly? Their forensics could not tell the difference between piss or lemonade. Is this the same time that the female police officer put a bag in the trunk and sped off? What was in that bag? I admit that she could not have handle a 100 lb dead body by herself. But was it ever determined what was in that bag? And this is the confession that was not usable because he was interrogated more than was allowed in a day and cut into the time Frankenstein spent playing with himself?

    107. Dolf on December 20th, 2007 4:55 am

      # 92: maybe Bush his facist granddad helped him out, like he helped Hitler or like the US helped general Pinochet and the generals in Argentine doing their oh so friendly regimes.

      #101 Ray, you know what would be most funny about that, the US will have to fight for Aruba too (Nato commitment), might not be bad because Chavez is also a mental case.

    108. arubainvt on December 20th, 2007 8:12 am

      WOW – having just returned from a delightful 3 weeks in Aruba I can only say some of you people need to get your facts about the Aruban people, tourism and public perception right. Better yet get a life – EVEN better get off your asses and take a trip there. It’s oh so easy to sit and judge from the safety of your computer chair.

      Perhaps mistakes were made – and my sympathy and compassion goes out to the Holloway family – but Natalee also put herself into a bad situation and definitely was not the sweet innocent her mommy would like us to believe.

      Happy Holidays all – only wish I was spending it in ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      SM: Yea thats it you fool, blame a victim for a crime committed against them. You poor pathetic excuse for a human being. Over look crime and corruption for a tan and playing the slots. You are truly a shallow individual. Wonder how you would feel if it was your daughter? But things like that do not occur to selfish people now, do they?

      Aruba ,,, is actually a boring place with nothing to really do there. Oh boy, sand, beach and gambling. That one can do anywhere. That’s why National Geographic listed it so low on places to go.

    109. EURobert on December 20th, 2007 8:40 am

      Translation of this article ( )

      (Translation: Google transl. & me.)

      Justice releases evidence Holloway case

      (Novum / Ap) – Evidence that the last eight months has been collected in the case of Natalee Holloway will be made public Thursday. This justice in Aruba has announced. It was in-sufficient to bring the suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers to justice. Justice stressed that they are still convinced that the three were involved in the disappearance of the American.

      Prosecuters will comment on the evidence Thursday at a press conference in the office of the Aruban prime minister. This especially applies to telephone calls and SMS messages between the defendants. The family of Natalee Holloway have pointed to the Aruban justice for the failure of the investigation.

      Witnesses in Aruba know what happened to Holloway , but keep their mouths closed, said stepfather Jug Twitty. The Aruban justice has done wrong dropping the case against suspects Joran van der Sloot and the brothers Kalpoe. And by arresting the suspects for the first time only after nine days after the disappearance of Holloway, the police gave them sufficient time to erase their tracks, he said. Holloway’s parents recently divorced.

      Tuesday the public prosecutor in Aruba said the Dutchman and the Kalpoe brothers will not be prosecuted for involvement in the disappearance of Holloway. The last time that the American teenager was seen was on May 30, 2005, when she was in the company of the three left a bar. Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty, is considering to appeal against the decision of the Attorney General. A search by a Texas organization along the coast of Aruba possible will point to the corpse of her daughter, she hopes.

      Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested last month, because new evidence against them would have surfaced. After days of interrogation they were released. Prosecutors believe that the three were involved in Holloway’s disappearance but they say that without her body they could not go on. Van der Sloot Wednesday from the home of his parents in Aruba refused to comment.

    110. Susan on December 20th, 2007 9:09 am

      Just heard on a local radio station that the Aruban prosecutor’s office is suppose to make public the evidence in the Natalee Holloway case. Should be interesting to see what it is compared to what it should be…



    111. mommytraveler on December 20th, 2007 9:12 am

      Email the Arubiana Inn where John Herbert is the receptionist and is now being quoted in the international news as saying that he’s glad that this case “will be out of the media now” and “we have suffered enough”. Bombard them with emails regarding the insensitivity of this remark.

      I’m sure they would like to hear your take on his comments.

    112. roaming noam on December 20th, 2007 9:46 am

      arubainvt If I want to hear from an a$$ h*le I can just fart !!! why dont you go back to aruba and spend the rest of your life there you seem to fit right in with the way things run there.
      So what happens when they bring up Natalee’s body ??? aruba is shut down for the next three weeks because of the holidays

    113. nurturer on December 20th, 2007 9:49 am

      I think it is important to remember, that an assistant prosecutor then under Karin Janessen, resigned from the case due to the lack of Aruban police cooperation.

      My point – At least somebody had the guts to protest, and on Aruban soil, no less.

    114. Caroline on December 20th, 2007 10:05 am

      Thequote from the receptionist was very interesting. Even though much money was spent renovating the drug infested apartments known as the Arubiana Inn – one cannot park their car outside without damage or theft.

    115. Sharon Chicago on December 20th, 2007 10:14 am

      110 Susan … I think we should snub and total ignore whatever so called evidence they reveal to the public on Natalee’s case…they have proven themselves to be liars like, Joran, Paulus and the 2K’s.

      They only want to kick sand in our face again.
      I am so through listening to anything those liars have to say.

      They are all actors and Aruba is their stage.

      When will those Kalpoe brothers squell? Whenever I see pics of them leaving the jail…they look like a dear caught in the headlights and worried that they may be caught on someones car hood.

    116. brie on December 20th, 2007 10:15 am

      Keep hoping and praying our good American’s can find Natalee. I guess it’s all up to us. Should of let our FBI take care of things in the first place. But Aruba had too many things to hide.

    117. dennisintn on December 20th, 2007 10:19 am

      any moment now, aruba’s justice minister, rudy croes, will step to the microphone, and start lambasting jorg and mos for creating another media nightmare for “the happy island”. according to croes, “somebody else” is responsible for 30 mos. of terrible media coverage and he is not responsible, mos and jorg are, according to his distorted sense of reality. he will not mention that if j2k had not drugged, kidnapped, raped, and killed natalee, then hid her body, and spent the last 30 mos. lying about the events, things would be different. he won’t mention that if paulus and his friends hadn’t conspired to protect j2k and lay the blame on somebody else, things would be different. he won’t mention his and oduber’s inflammatory words towards both natalee and her family, and msm, who wanted to help natalee’s predicamennt and found fertile fields of corruption and/or complete incompetence in the way the case was handled from the beginning.

    118. Sharon Chicago on December 20th, 2007 10:20 am

      The Kalpoes and Joran were not interrogated daily … the ALE did not even invest time to crack them.

      I remember one of the Kalpoe attorneys telling Greta that the last time they were questioned was on a Friday and it was Wed. when the attorney was on Greta…. What kind of arrest is that?
      I think our cops should go to Auba and send their boyscouts home and let them interrogate those sociopaths. They would crack.

    119. Pearl on December 20th, 2007 10:28 am

      The corrupt of Aruba are worried about evidence being “planted” by Americans? !!!

      How pathetic and revealing!

      Are these the same reprehensible, morally corrupt mouthpieces that announced THE CONFESSION to the world, which they then proceeded to retract?

      Are these the same unscrupulous mouthpieces who denigrated a child, slandering her reputation, accusing her of the very heinous criminal acts that were actually inflicted upon her (DRUGGING HER – and then accusing her of being in possession of drugs!), who announced to the world that the “suspect is leading police to the LOCATION of THE BODY, and who specifically stated that a suspect had confessed to “THE KILLING OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY”?

      Are these the same individuals – who “retracted” THE CONFESSION, THE CONFESSION TO “KILLING NATALEE”, that was announced to the world, who are now claiming there is “no evidence” and who are so worried about evidence being planted by men and women of impeccable honor and integrity?

      Out of the depravity of Aruba’s corrupt, evil deeds lies their woes and their worries.

      Liars, deceivers, and murderers accusing men and women of HONOR AND INTEGRITY – of the very unscrupulous depravity that the souless scoundrels of Aruba carried out, the human torture and torment they inflicted upon a defenseless little girl and her beautiful mother and father – the heinous acts that the murderers of Aruba, and all their co-conspirators inflicted upon Beth, Dave, Matt, all the MB children, all Natalee’s siblings, all their family, and loved ones – which the unscrupulous now want to accuse the American’s of somehow carrying out? !!!

      Yes, the devil has no limitations for the evil to which his hateful deeds and souless heart can travel!

      Tourism to Aruba has become a journey into hell where neither honor nor integrity exist because of the morally corrupt and souless depraved individuals entrusted with running the island who were charged with upholding the public’s trust. There is no trust in hell, where devils are set free to pick and choose the next young targets of their morally reprehensible acts of TERRORISM on innocent young American children.

      Is there some reason to fear the ocean, or a group of heroic men and women at sea searching for THE CHILD – NATALEE, whom some of the predators claimed they would “speak about what happened one day – but not now”?

      Perhaps the real fear is that the cowardly co-conspirators to murder, kidnapping, rape and the desecration of a child’s body and all the murderers are collectively terrified of what the integrity in honorable men and women can accomplish?

      The corrupt who falsified testimony, tampered with statements and evidence, destroyed evidence, aided and abetted the murderers of an American tourist child – they are now worried about integrity knocking on their door?







    120. Bob on December 20th, 2007 10:35 am

      Bullish comment from the Persistence:

      “Update: Wed. 20-Dec -0430 hrs
      The Persistence has completed the first day of the side scan sonar search. The search team is very optimistic about the probability of finding Natalee Holloway. The data quality is excellent and the conditions are sufficient to carry out the detailed search.”

    121. Sharon Chicago on December 20th, 2007 10:40 am

      #22 1006…..

      Wow thanks for the link on Greta and her husband. This link should be posted everywhere to shed some light on Greta she needs it…

      Mrs. Scienctology….

      She comes off as Mrs conservative but she is far from that and I don’t trust her at all now…

    122. Pearl on December 20th, 2007 10:50 am

      Kat, #7 – right on target!

      Interesting how Aruba’s decision making yet again, falls at a time of the year when they think Americans will be lulled into distractions of Christmas!

      But did they know the meaning of Natalee’s name?

      Natalee: CHRISTMAS CHILD!

      How fitting that this little child cries out to be saved in midst of the season of HOPE, and of CHRISTMAS!

      Rise up little Christmas child, and let your voice be heard, your truth finally spoken, your cries for justice heard and responded to by hands and hearts filled with love for you – with a collective American conscience filled with integrity to your truth and a passion for your right to justice!

      May God bless the Persistence and bring home this “Christmas child”, Natalee – to her family!

      Justice for Natalee Holloway!
      Justice for her family!

    123. katablog on December 20th, 2007 10:57 am

      arubainvt: What a crock! The only reason someone could afford to spend 3 weeks in Aruba is because they are stuck with a timeshare or the hotels are so deeply discounted just to get a few people to the one crappy island. I dare you to take your teenage daughter there when you grow up.

    124. disgustedmom on December 20th, 2007 11:08 am

      What’s up with this….

      Joe Taco said on Greta that he learned of Joran being released as a suspect via Joran making a phone call to him.

      Just what is Joe’s role in this case? Doesn’t it seem like if he were directly involved in being Joran’s lawyer he’d have known of Joran’s release from the suspect list before Joran had to call him?

      Something seems bogus about Joe and Joran’s relationship IMO. Could Joe be the ‘mafia’ connection to what became of Natalee? If so, then one should consider her disappearance may have been a direct or indirect result of ‘mafia’ protection of their interests, such as gambling, drugs or prostitution.

      Or was Joe lying when he said Joran let him know? Was he lying to cover for his insider ‘mafia’ knowledge of what was going to happen?

      Joe did not seem so giddy as before. I’m a pretty good reader of faces and he seemed a bit worried more than happy about Joran being off the suspect list. And with good reason actually. Now that Joran is not a suspect he could be called in as a witness…and as we all know in Aruba ‘law’ a witness is not allowed to lie to the cops without prosecution; only a suspect is allowed to lie. Joran could be called in as a witness to a completely new direction in this case. Joran should not be so happy right now that he is in a position of perhaps having to be questioned about something other than only his own involvement.

      IMO Joran was safer as a suspect than he is now that he is fair game.

    125. disgustedmom on December 20th, 2007 11:34 am

      Does anyone recall Anita saying (when Joran was in jail back in 2005) that she thought he’d be SAFE in there?

      She said this after MSNBC got in there to video the place and caught Joran in his underwear, and it was assumed she meant he would be safe from the media. But that’s hard to believe given all the deliberate media attention Joran sought once he was out of jail -including writing a book.

      Makes one wonder if by SAFE she meant out of reach of someone who could harm him for what he knew.

      Now take the way Joran was taken into custody in the first place. No cries or pleas from Anita as they took a compliant Joran away that morning without cuffs and with a blanket covering his face. It was like it was consensual.

      And then we have Joran, once in jail, saying he didn’t know it was going to be like it was in there or else he’d not have come.

      Whom could Joran have been protecting by agreeing to sit in jail? If it’s anyone other than Paulus, I’d think he is not so free.

      Notice how Joran is not willing to talk to media so readily anymore? Notice how he has clammed up? Seems he might not be so sure what direction he is destined for now that he has been released as a suspect.

    126. brie on December 20th, 2007 11:58 am

      Doesn’t seem like any Aruban authorities obey the law. How many times did the dirty judges violate the Code of Ethics?

      Mohs said two of the suspects said they would talk. But then decided to remain silent. But he didn’t say what two. Probably the Kalpoes. I don’t think one brother would tell on the other. But that doesn’t really make sense either because the arrest was a surprise. So how would he know that?

    127. brie on December 20th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Call them in as witnesses…the Kalpoes know what was discussed at the Sloot’s home by Paulus. Maybe that’s the direction in which this needs to go.

      “Your own father”—Kalpoe made the statement, so what are you a witness too.

    128. KOO on December 20th, 2007 12:52 pm

      wow there’s like 3 tourist! LOL LOL LOL LOL


    129. Ralph on December 20th, 2007 1:09 pm


    130. Ralph on December 20th, 2007 1:09 pm

      Bury them until their children run in the streets begging for food and shelter.

    131. brie on December 20th, 2007 1:30 pm

      No one here needs it…..when you post things like Natalee not the sweet innocent her mommy would us to believe….what kind of a trash mouth is that!!! Anita’s garbage…

      Satish said they go out and do this every weekend…it’s premeditated stalking of young American women…

    132. Pearl on December 20th, 2007 1:45 pm

      Aruba appears to condone terrorist activity executed upon innocent American girls, as seems to be the case with what was inflicted upon Natalee Holloway and her entire family.

      Is there any other way to see what took place?

      Is someone now trying to pull the wool over our eyes, yet once again, by claiming these vicious criminal acts that were premeditatively inflicted upon Natalee and then her family,- that involved planning and execution, are now – somehow…. “JUST REGULAR CRIMINAL ACTS”?!!!!

      Is Natalee’s truth getting a little too close for somebody’s comfort?

      Natalee Holloway was targeted for gang rape, kidnapping, and all the hideous acts inflicted upon her – because she was innocent, because she was a innocent, tourist American visiting Aruba.

      However, it seems that there are some who are attempting to suggest that these predators in Aruba, have no links to the terrorist activities going on in the Caribbean.

      And why should we believe that, when so much has already been done to cover up what these despicable monsters did to an innocent American child and her beautiful family who only sought the truth and the return of their beloved daughter?

      And whose word should we take on this version of claims, – that the actions of the Aruban predators who executed the most heinous human rights violations upon Natalee Holloway – a traveling tourist to Aruba, is now – somehow not an act of premeditated terrorism?

      Whose word should we take?
      Paulus Van der Sloot’s word?
      Maybe Van der Straten’s word? Dompig’s word?
      How about Oduber’s word?
      Or maybe Joran’s word?

      The list of unconscionable liars is so long in Aruba, it would be difficult to document all of them here and now.
      Americans have not engaged in the deceptive, dishonest, depraved conduct in this case that the predatory co-conspiring murdering terrorists have engaged in.
      But Aruba now wants to sell the notion that this savagery was “just an REGULAR CRIME” !!!!

      Americans do know a devil when we see one.

      And we do indeed know what terrorists look like after tourist planes were used as terrorist bombs to kill innocent Americans on September the 11th, – targets selected simply because they were Americans.

      Those Americans were selected as targets; planning went into their murder, planning went into the terrorists strategies and conduct, much the way the terrorists plotted to take Natalee Holloway away and gang rape her, inflict untold suffering upon her, and then murder her, followed with the premeditative conduct involved in obstructing justice and covering up the criminal acts that were inflicted upon her…the planning that was rewarded with extra incentives if an innocent American child was chosen.

      The new masquerade they used included having predatory men posing as tourists to create a false sense of safety and security in order to execute their terror on Natalee, a child and an American tourist.

      Predatory men posing as tourists at HOTELS and other tourist attractions, where tourists were lured into gathering, attractions promoted for the island night life, and this being done with the full cooperation and knowledge of Aruba’s police as well as individuals from the tourism sector on the island. This is no secret! Jacobs warned Dave, Natalee’s father to “watch his drink”, and spoke of drinks being drugged! A tourism employee spoke of knowledge of Joran Van der Sloots predatory conduct, and another leader in the Aruba’s tourism industry admitted that a cover up took place! What more proof do we need given the egregious efforts that were then implemented to cover up the hideous criminal acts of human rights violations inflicted upon Natalee Holloway!

      Predatory men posing as tourists who targeted a little defenseless girl, drugged her, so that they could then proceed to do all the wretched evil contemptuous acts they inflicted upon her while she was drugged and completely helpless.
      They even included a parent – a man dressed to be a “father” posing with his son, so as to create a very false sense of safety and security.
      And they lied to this child, telling her they were fellow tourists, just like she was, only they were selecting her for their hideous criminal acts – which, I believe it was Deepak referencing as “hitting the jackpot”.

      Who paid the jackpot?
      Where did the proceeds from the “Jackpot” come from?

      We know what terrorist devils look like,
      ( based on their evil lies and evil conduct) …yes, their EVIL LIES AND EVIL CONDUCT, and their hatred for Americans and their premeditative acts to bring harm to Americans.

      Deepak: “We hit the jackpot!”
      Deppak: “They are going to pay me a lot of money!”

      Who paid Deepak? Where did the jackpot money come from?
      What was Deepak paid for?

      And all of this unfolding, while Oduber has his photo taken with Chavez who – seems to be entertaining WHICH terrorist who seems to have no love for Americans?

      The same predators who used tourist planes to bomb innocent Americans seem to offer incentives to murdering rapist kidnappers – just to TARGET YOUNG INNOCENT AMERICAN GIRLS, LIKE NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

      You think this is impossible?
      Go ask Deepak why he was going to get “a lot of money” and why Joran had “hit the jackpot”.

      Ask Oduber why the confession to the “KILLING OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY” needed to be buried.

      Ask Karin Janssen why she summoned the name of “Hitler” in her big “building up of an investigation”.

      Go ask Van der Straten why he was so busy trying to convince the press and all the media that Natalee “could have come through another way”, when – he knew she was never dropped off at all at her hotel, and that all the surveillance tapes proved that, as well as the fact that no “black guards” ever existed.

      Go ask Van der Straten how he could then proceed to arrest two innocent black men, seven days later, who never existed on any surveillance cameras?

      If it LOOKS like a TERRORIST ( based on CONDUCT), and it ACTS LIKE A TERRORIST ( based on CONDUCT), chances are: IT’S A TERRORIST.



    133. KOO on December 20th, 2007 1:46 pm

      anita = Wart hog
      wearing a white bra!

    134. Ralph on December 20th, 2007 1:47 pm

      If we keep this up in the news for the next 30+ years, their lives will be in ruins just like OJ Simpson. If these boys ever do manage to find wives, we can splash their images all over world news.

      As their children grow, we can put microphones in their faces and ask them, “How does it feel to know your dad murdered a beautiful young woman?”

      No doubt about it, this story will follow them all the days of their lives. Joran has better things to do than think about this? I guarantee you, this is in his mind daily. If he even thinks for a moment he will be passed it, we will be there in the news and in cyberspace making certain this trail follows him until death.

      We all must consider that prison is more than a cage and four walls. People can also be publically flogged which is a type of imprisonment in and of itself.

    135. Donna on December 20th, 2007 2:55 pm

      Perhaps that is why they dismissed all charges against Joran and the Kalpoes (including Papa Perp) EARLY because Dave and Equisearch just might be getting close to finding Natalee.

    136. richard on December 20th, 2007 2:59 pm

      Nurturer (#113) … Remember, too, that that assistant public prosecutor said that after her resignation she believed that her cell phone was tapped, and that she was followed around Aruba.

      I hope she’s still alive and kicking, and is doing something useful. My own belief is that Paulus van der Scum is more likely to prosper in the Aruba legal community than she is … she seems to have some conscience and integrity.

      Fatal qualities for anyone in law, perhaps, but absolutely damning for Aruban lawyers.

    137. brie on December 20th, 2007 3:20 pm

      Joran was seen at the pool hanging around the Holiday Inn…looking for his next victim.

      Lee, Natalee’s friend said Joran was on the beach on their last day there. He was also in he casino and he was also at Carlos’n Charlie’s. All in the same day!


    138. Gutfeeling on December 20th, 2007 3:45 pm

      Latest disclosure by Hans Mos that one of the suspects stated “she’s dead ” in a chat session.
      WTF… any dimwit can tell that this is a PR piece just to quell any suspicions about the white slavery theory.

      They have much more evidence. The kindergarten class at the international school could provide more insight than this.

    139. Sharon Chicago on December 20th, 2007 5:48 pm

      Probably next game play/dog pony show will be for the procecutor to present statements that
      they all three admitted to murdering Natalee and then he will act like well, this was not enough
      to convict them….

      More appalling statements as the ALE sit on their hands and let Jurine and the 2Kowpies
      be charge.

    140. Prosecutor Says One of the Natalee Holloway Suspects Wrote Teen was Dead … But Suspects are Allowed to no longer be considered Suspects | Scared Monkeys on December 20th, 2007 8:19 pm

      [...] The fact that the body of the missing teenager was never found is for the OM ‘an important shortage’ in the possible reconstruction of what had exactly happened.  “Because of that, the current dossier cannot give sufficient answer on the question which punishable facts took place in the night of Holloway’s disappearance, nor can it answer the question what the exact role of the suspects was in this” (SM 12/19/07) [...]

    141. Pearl on December 21st, 2007 12:07 am

      Brie, #137 – terrorists in fact watch and observe before they execute their premeditative assaultive acts on their victims.

      If what you say is true – that Joran saw Natalee in other locations, besides the fact that these events also took place:

      1. An Aruban tourism authority president, Mr. Pisquera, stated that a cover-up indeed had taken place.
      2. A hotel employee stated that it was a known fact that Joran van der Sloot preyed upon young female tourists, especially – the blondes.
      3. a Police tub named Jacobs told Dave Holloway to “watch his drink” if he went to C n C’s because he was aware that drugs were slipped into drinks.

      Then – it appears that Aruba’s government was engaged in concealing this predatory activity from the American public because if Americans were to learn that their children were targets of terrorist activity in Aruba, – imagine the damage that would cause to their tourism.

      Puts things into perspective, doesn’t it?
      The whole situation with North Korea making profits off of drug traffiking and money laundering that is used to PURCHASE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

      Is it really that difficult for us to see what is appearing to be very clear connections that exist between the pornography rings in Aruba, the drug trafficking rings, the money laundering rings and terrorist activities that specifically target Americans?

      Natalee Holloway was someone’s percious child and her family agonizes over the loss of their baby, and the torment she suffered at the hands of such sick, perverted individuals as the monsters who stole their baby’s life.

      Yet, it appears that the poster Poopst, seems all in a huff and a dither, that Bob is outraged by the repulsiveness of freely roaming predators lurking about who are now granted the freedom to SNUFF OUT their next young American target.
      It appears to trouble the double standard of Poopst, who – wants to attack Bob for his desire to use WATER, to wash the evil out from Joran, Deepak and Satish – yet, it doesn’t seem to bother Poopst in the least – that Natalee was literally dumped in a vast body of WATER – as in the ocean, or GOD only knows where Mr. “No Corpse, No Case” PUT HER.

      That’s a real nice double standard you have there, Poopst, to assail Bob for claiming America’s right to know what these devils did to this child, and that indeed – there are ways that the ALE could have used that would have incorportated the FBI’s expertise, in order to squeeze the vile from their twisted lips, but – the fact of the matter is, the TRUTH was never something that Van der Straten was interested in.
      Neither was there any concern for Natalee in wanting to “find her”.

      After all, if Van der Straten and Dompig wanted to “find Natalee”, they would have picked up the phone and asked for help from the FBI. They would have allowed those divers into the water and given them search targets. They would have made the phone call for Tim Miller that would have allowed Tim to search the waters in the areas that he had identified as prime targets for a search.

      But, we all know that the FBI was NOT what ODUBER WANTED. And finding Natalee was never even on the agenda, so why allow Tim Miller to conduct a water search? That’s why Dompig didn’t bother picking up the phone to make the necessary call that was required in order for Tim to be permitted to search. That’s why Tim never even got into the water. Dompig wouldn’t make the call.

      But WHO was Dompig taking his orders from?
      ODUBER. That’s who.

      Why allow the FBI divers into the water?
      After all, they might find something – or see something that they were never supposed to see or find, or maybe it would just set a precedent that the unscrupulous couldn’t handle, because they feared their insidious evil would be exposed for all the world to see, and they knew the FBI could not be deceived by the depravity of the corrupt, unscrupulous monsters in Aruba.

      Isn’t it telling that Aruba would like to now suggest that the horrific, barbaric acts of savagery inflicted upon Natalee were just “REGULAR CRIMES” !!!!

      Imagine – THIS is what these unscrupulous individuals wish to portray as “REGULAR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY” – as opposed to WHAT?








    142. weasel on December 21st, 2007 2:10 am

      wow there’s like 3 tourist! LOL LOL LOL LOL


      the guy on the cam is pretty fat, I wonder if he isn’t a tourist but an Aruban judge or cop ?

    143. Dolf on December 21st, 2007 5:26 am

      1. #73 Mike on December 19th, 2007 7:45 pm
      I have a fleet of trucks that I use in my business. I used BP gas which is a division of Shell. I changed companies almost 2 years ago because of this case. It has cost them almost 200,000 dollars so far and counting.

      BP = British Petrol

    144. disgustedmom on December 21st, 2007 10:00 am

      A chat session saying Natalee’s dead?

      And the judge released them because this was not new evidence?

      Oh, come on Mos.

      If one of them said that in a chat to someone then it is not old evidence unless one of them had already told the cops Natalee was dead. And if they had told that to the cops before then they have admitted knowledge that she was dead and should have been held until they told how they knew that or retracted it as another lie.

      This is BS, IMO.

      Mos has no reason not to tell which one of the gang said that in the chat. I think he’s bluffing. There was no chat session. We’re talking about the internet here, so first they’d have to get legal permission to prove who was really online chatting – unless they somehow have the boys’ computers bugged, and even then they’d need proof of who was typing.

      This entire case is a joke because the authorities keep on grabbing at things they know will not hold up with a judge. Where are the things that might be more damning?

      The way this case has rolled, it is apparent they (can’t define they) know what really happened to Natalee because they are quite adept at avoiding anything damning regarding her disappearance. An innocent person would not be able to do this.

    145. John Bertrand on December 21st, 2007 6:05 pm

      Death to Joran!

      Death to Aruba!

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