Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Welcome to America: Judge Give Dr Phil & CBS Access to the Natalee Holloway File

 

Let us first start out by saying, thank you Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Don’t ask for Aruba 3 suspectsthings they might just come true. You successfully made it possible for there to be US jurisdiction in this case. Greed is always the inevitable downfall.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, welcome to the United States judicial system. The two should have left well enough alone and thanked their lucky stars that the Aruban/Dutch legal and investigation system ran cover for them in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. However, in so many case this is another example of pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

Welcome to the deep end of the pool where the big boys play. The Kalpoes brought a defamation case against Dr. Phil in search of riches and now have exactly what so many of us had prayed for … an opportunity to expose all of what went on in Aruba with regards to the files for the investigation and legal proceedings.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns ruled that the lawyers for CBS TV and The Dr Phil Show can have access to the Natalee Holloway files.

Lawyers for CBS Television and “Dr. Phil” McGraw can have access to e-mails and Aruban documents about two brothers arrested, then released, in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a ruling obtained Wednesday.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe allege they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, “Dr. Phil” show during which it was alleged that they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non-consensual group sex with her. The episode also implied the siblings helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body, according to court papers.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns issued a 12-page ruling Friday that upheld the tentative ruling he reached in favor of CBS and the celebrity doctor before he took the case under submission Aug. 30. (CBS)

The Kalpoe’s thought that this case would never get to court and that they would settle for millions. Hey Deepak and Satish … You are not in Aruba anymore. The trap has been set and the bait was taken.

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LA Judge: ‘Dr. Phil’ Can Get Documents

CBS and Dr. Phil McGraw claimed that documents existed in which the Kalpoes acknowledged having sex with the girl — which they have denied. Attorneys for the defendants sought the documents and also e-mails between the brothers and others regarding the case.

The brothers’ attorneys said Aruban authorities had much of the information being sought and that the authorities had refused to release it.

In granting access, Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns said the documents “are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case.”

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UPDATE: Holloway/Twitty Family attorney John Q. Kelly “On The Record”

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Tonight, a possible breakthrough in the Natalee Holloway case. A California judge has ordered the Kalpoe brothers to turn over documents and e-mails that the judge says are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case.

John Q. Kelly is an attorney for Natalee Holloway’s parents. He joins us in New York.

John, you were part of this lawsuit originally, but your client got bounced out of it. Btu tell me, what is the order that this judge has issued and why is it significant?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Well, the key issue is whether the Kalpoe’s have to turn over all the documents in their possession including all their e-mail correspondence between them and Joran Van der Sloot or any other third parties during the uncertain period of time after Natalee’s disappearance. And we’re hoping that it would shed some light on Natalee’s disappearance and the Kalpoe’s involvement with it and think of it (ph) if they’re kind enough to turn it all over.

For the rest of the interview GO HERE

 



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  • Comments

    184 Responses to “Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Welcome to America: Judge Give Dr Phil & CBS Access to the Natalee Holloway File”

    1. Aruban Ho on September 14th, 2007 10:03 am

      Let’s shoot for the death penilty!!!I will never quite understand why Aruba after all with all the organized crime and corruption,Never took justice into their own hands and torchered the truth out of the Sloot’s and Kalpoe’s.It would have saved their unhappy island.

    2. nurturer on September 14th, 2007 10:06 am

      The word ‘compliance’ comes to mind here.

      Educate me somebody. How is this ruling going to be enforced?
      _________________
      SM: If the Kalpoes don’t comply the judge will probably dismiss the case. No $$ for Kalpoes (klaasend)

    3. minnesota dad on September 14th, 2007 10:17 am

      Kalpoes will not comply. This has been another stall tactic….along with the KLPD ‘extending’ the two year period.

      Aruba has been ‘checkmated’ on this one. We all know who was involved with the initial crimes, and the government actors working to protect the perps as well as cover for each other.

      They are just playing stretch it out games. Watch for the Kalpoes to go away.

    4. JuJu on September 14th, 2007 10:21 am

      here kitty, kitty, kitty……

    5. Jerry from Ohio on September 14th, 2007 10:21 am

      Although it is not Politically correct I have to agree with Aruban Ho #1 on this it seems at this point the only way to have any form of punishment for the Sloots and the Kalpoes will have to come from outside of the Aruba Justice system as the Police
      and the Govt of Aruba are not willing to do it, but maybe some other faction will step up to the plate and get ( Justice for Nat and her family ).
      The Kalpoes are are a very sad couple of individuals and will pay for their stupidity as scape goats for the VDS clan

    6. JustMeT on September 14th, 2007 10:27 am

      Does anybody really expect the records to be handed over? Part of me does, part of me does not. Part of me believes the Kalpoes want the truth out. Part of me thinks they just might not want to turn them over saying because you disrespected me and my family, treated me wrong we are going to be jackasses about it. Which is what they have claimed before. I call it nonsense. I have wondered about their innocence until they once again refuse to prove themselves innocent by turning things over and speaking to investigators willingly. One would think if they had nothing to hide they would do so. Enough of the bs already Kalpoes, give it up already!
      They need to pony up and come clean. To say the least.
      Good blog to the writer.

    7. Vicki on September 14th, 2007 10:29 am

      The sad thing is I believe that the Kalpoos were not involved in Natalees disappearence. I think that LIERUBA wants to blame things on them hence this lawsuit…Hey KALPOOS this is it,this is where you get hung out to dry….say goodbye to whatever life you thought you would have…Kiss LYING NADRIRA goodbye….

    8. Ben on September 14th, 2007 10:32 am

      Folks, Hate to burst your bubble, US courts have no jurisdiction in Aruba, the ruling is not enforceable… SO, the Kalpoes inturn will NOT pursue Dr. Phil, drop their case, and no records will be provided… Unfortunate reality.

    9. sharon on September 14th, 2007 10:46 am

      ben

      true. the case will probably be dismissed.

      But the Kalpoes filed a frivilous lawsuit in California. Which is the United States.

      Do you think Deepak’s attorneys want to get paid??? Deepak better have deepockets. lol

      Do you think Dr Phil may request that he get reimbursed for his legal costs — due to the ‘frivilous’ lawsuit??

      Deepak better know of the location of a money tree somewhere.

      Sing, Deepak. Sing.

      And your troubles will go away…….

    10. Sherry on September 14th, 2007 10:53 am

      Well…if the Kalpoes thought they could go through with this without having any documents revealed I have one thing to say—-They just dont understand the U.S laws and justice system.
      hmmmm where have I heard THAT before????

    11. JustMeT on September 14th, 2007 10:58 am

      I am sure they knew. Must have. Im sure this has been along time coming. Hopefully they will do the right thing.

      Im am sure I am dreaming but I hope Im wrong.

    12. Ben on September 14th, 2007 11:02 am

      Sharon, I agree 100%!!! I as I’m sure you and many have watched patient/ un-patiently waiting for something to happen down there. The Kalpoes will be out money, Dr Phil can counter sue for time, legal fees, etc but at the end of the day nothing has changed. WE are no closer to a resolution for Natalee. Very sad.

      BTW: I HAD vacationed in Aruba on my honeymoon 10 years ago and 4 times after that… WE WILL NEVER GO BACK, EVER!!!! I have spread this message to anyone with an open ear!!!

    13. Patti on September 14th, 2007 11:04 am

      I don’t think the Kalpoes were involved, either… only taken for a ride by a psychopath and his degenerate father.

      I have always said that this lawsuit is not about money as much as it is about clearing their names. They want to divorce themselves of this crime and the ramifications that go with it.

      I disagree with many of you. I think Aruba will hand over the documents… most of which are being reviewed in The Netherlands. It would not be in the best interest of the Island of Aruba or for The Netherlands to interfere with the lawsuit.
      Besides, it could be a showing of “good faith” on the part of Aruba to comply. But, naturally, one might question their total compliance.

      I applaud the courage of these two boys. To want to redeem themselves publicly in the U.S. speaks volumns to their character. I think they have grown up over the past two years and have come to realize the errors of their ways. Obviously, it will be safer for them to address these issues in the U.S. than in their home, Aruba, which is known for it’s corruption and ties to organized crime.

      Again, I applaud the Kalpoes and pray that God will give them the courage to speak the truth, reveal the lies and afford the family an opportunity to, finally, find their daughter, Natalee Ann Holloway; and, the peace they so greatly deserve.

      It also speaks volumns for the effect that Natalee had on these two boys. To come here to challenge the things that were said about her, is a tribute to her memory. I think she has that effect on people.

      Justice for Natalee

      ________________________
      SM: Here are Deepak’s own words (not contested) from the Skeeter’s interview: “To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too,” he said. “Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes. Enough with this BS already.”

      You applaud THAT? Sorry but I can’t (klaasend)

    14. JustMeT on September 14th, 2007 11:10 am

      Patti, lets hope you are right.

    15. FL on September 14th, 2007 11:15 am

      Dr. Phil should advise couples about relationships, he is NOT a P.I.
      We all know how he manipulated an interview with one of the two brothers. He will do the same with these documents.
      ___________________
      SM: Joran, is that you? ;) (klaasend)

    16. Ben on September 14th, 2007 11:22 am

      Patti, huh??? Just start following this case…???!!!

    17. ayfit on September 14th, 2007 11:24 am

      Justice;
      Well spoken,your heart is in the right place.However these boys were born and raised in Aruba. Remember the interview with their mom? Everyone lies in Aruba. No big deal,happens daily.
      I, like you, think the Kalpoes are innocent,but scared to speak the truth. Here in America,in the past six years sinse 9-11 , the the title HERO has taken on a whole new meaning. I look at policemen and firemen differently now I have much more respect for them. They are truley heros.My point? The Kalpoes have hero status if they would only step up and tell what they know. By doing so they should be given protection and immunity.

    18. nurturer on September 14th, 2007 11:27 am

      Patti, can I get some what you’re smokin’?

    19. dennisintn on September 14th, 2007 11:43 am

      the kalpoe’s heroes? where does that come from? they haven’t admitted they lied to save a friend, haven’t apologized for the lies they’ve told to denigrate natalee’s reputation and to throw off the investigation. they haven’t done anything even resembling a decent thing to help bring natalee home or hold anyone responsible for her.
      they’re in this for the money, pure and simple. just what kind of reputation do you think deepak had before natalee even went to aruba. he was described to searchers for natalee on the first day, by locals on the beach that knew him as a suspected drug dealer. they are not heroic in any shape, form, or fashion.
      dennisintn

    20. Libby on September 14th, 2007 11:43 am

      The Kalpoes will not comply. The case will be dismissed. It is just another game.

      IF and that is a big if, the records are provided, does anyone really think all of the records will be provided? I think most of them are gone…and statements have been altered. Whatever is provided will not be accurate.

      It is just another stall game guys and gals, don’t get your hopes up.

    21. LilPuma on September 14th, 2007 12:03 pm

      After two+ years, neither the three suspects nor Aruban/Dutch law enforcement have ever given us anything that clears these guys. Many say there’s no evidence they’re guilty, but in all this time, why is there nothing that even comes close to showing they’re lying little butts are innocent? The Kalpoes have a chance to put the truth behind their statements out there for the US and world to see. Why would they decline to do so? Their attorneys knew this would come up; I assume they believed they could convince the judge these documents weren’t necessary to move forward with the suit. Now that the opposite has occurred, what will the Kalpoes do? Stay tuned.

    22. Mike on September 14th, 2007 12:07 pm

      #18- I want some too. The only thing I am going to applaud is when they all have their throats slit.

    23. LilPuma on September 14th, 2007 12:08 pm

      15 FL: If the Kalpoes turn over the documents as ordered by the U.S. Court, then this case might get to the point where we find out whether or not the tape was manipulated to show Deepak saying something he didn’t say. Dr. Phil isn’t backing down. Guess we’ll find out whether or not the Kalpoes can stand behind their claims.

    24. Vicki on September 14th, 2007 12:11 pm

      #18-hey nuturer…that was pretty funny! I kinda understand what Patti is saying…kinda..we have all prayed for answers…maybe this is it…In the beginning, they were trying to help URINE, but maybe after finding out how EVIL, and dispickable urine is, they may just want the truth to come out…wouldnt that be great..where is the sporter these days anyway???anyone know? I know he cant show his ugly mug on the VILE Island…where is Tacojoe????hmmmm

    25. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 12:21 pm

      First, I want to say…I had no idea Jamie Skeeters died! RIP Jamie! :(

      About the Kalpoes…I don’t if I believe they are guilty of harming Natalee directly or in disposing of her. Haven’t made up my mind on that yet. But…

      I think they wanted their own dates that night, but Natalee was unable to get them any of her friends, so 2K were no longer interested in hanging out all night with Joran and Natalee unless Joran planned on sharing -which is highly likely. I think J2K were hoping to each have an American ‘slut’ (not my words) to rape because they ‘deserved to be raped’ (not my feelings). And 2K are only mad with Joran now because they got dragged into this mess without having had the
      ‘fun’ Joran got to have.

      I do think the intent of all 3 was to rape an American tourist. There are plenty of local girls willing to give it up (so it seems) so voluntary sex was not on their minds, IMO. The night was all about raping and putting notches on their rape belts because they HATE America, Americans and Women with morals.

      Would they be interested in ratting Joran out? I don’t think so, because they are still guilty of knowing what they had intentions of doing and don’t want to have to admit it. They don’t want to admit they LEFT Joran alone with Natalee because they didn’t get dates. They want to make it seem they didn’t want any dates to begin with and were just taxi drivers for white boy…and that’s the underlying issue I have with 2K. They know what the plan was! And instead of saying it when Natalee went missing- so it might help find Natalee, they covered for Joran with lies.

      We can’t exclude the possibility that prior to Natalee J2K have raped and possibly drugged other American tourists…and this might come out if they ratted out Joran. I mean because once Joran goes down for rape, if the Kalpoes had engaged in any prior rapes, Joran would have nothing to lose by bringing that up.

      I never really understood how the Kalpoes could be so dumb as to try to bring charges against Dr Phil over the Skeeter’s Tape. I personally believe they were led into this by someone’s guidance that suggested they had to do something aggressive to make it seem like they really didn’t have anything to do with raping tourists/Natalee so they could distance themselves from Joran, when the real plan of the guider was so Joran could distance himself from the Kalpoes. Paulus probably thought the idea up to give himself the added benefit of knowing what the Kalpoes know that he is afraid has not been told to him already.

      Paulus probably hasn’t slept without drugs in a couple years and a few months.

    26. Scott on September 14th, 2007 12:22 pm

      Anybody that thinks the Kalpoes were NOT involved need to have their pulsed checked, need to climb out from under the rock they live under…..jimminie christmas…..they were down right involved and they KNOW what happened to her.

    27. Patti on September 14th, 2007 12:34 pm

      Klaas:

      I applaud their courage to come here, yes. Their attorney’s know what they’re up against and I think that there is a good reason why they came.

      I knew that there would be alot of people that disagree with me, but I am entitled. I, certainly, don’t embrace their words or find them to be kind and I am not making excuses for them. But, the fact that they are facing the music and willing to be held either accountable, or not accountable is more courage than I have seen come our of Aruba in the entire time that I have been here.

      So, yes, Sweetie, I applaud it.

    28. Patti on September 14th, 2007 12:37 pm

      Scott:

      Exactly… they know what happened to her. Do you know why? Because Freddie told them. Do you think they are going to risk coming out with the truth of what happened to Natalee in Aruba?

      THEY’d have to have their pulse checked and head examined… think about it.

    29. JusticeforNatalee on September 14th, 2007 12:41 pm

      #17, Ayfit,

      I did not write the post you are referring to.

    30. Susan on September 14th, 2007 12:46 pm

      YIPPEE!! Finally, we get to DISCOVERY :-) Imagine all of the information that could be divulged from the documents in reference to Natalee’s disappearance ;-) Go Dr. Phil and CBS!! Give ‘em hell :-)

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    31. JusticeforNatalee on September 14th, 2007 12:47 pm

      Personally, Ayfit, I think the Kalpoes are lying weasels who thought they could cash in and squeeze big money out of Dr. Phil.

      They thought Dr. Phil would settle. What fools they are.
      Watch the cowards bail now. They are hiding something if they don’t want the docs turned over.

      I don’t think K2 are as complicit as Joran (KLPD’s prime suspect as the killer of Natalee) but the Kalpoes are involved.

    32. Brenda on September 14th, 2007 12:48 pm

      Nurturer…re: post #18

      You sure you want to do that to yourself? May not be reversible!

      :>)

    33. Brenda on September 14th, 2007 12:54 pm

      I believe it is both ways. Yes…K2s are followers. Yes…they were involved in whatever happened to Nat that night.

      Do they want Urine to hang? OOOOHHH YES! But they would have to hang as well. Certainly they blame him for their own predicament, but it is in the end only their own faults. If someone told me to come along for something I knew wasn’t right, I wouldn’t. They did. Their choice.

      I do hope Phil gets his hands on the evidence. Whatever it is. I think the K2s were simply posturing thinking we Americans would back off. Don’t they have alot to learn!?

    34. ben on September 14th, 2007 12:56 pm

      this is small b ben ,Large B ben is some one else. will go by benh from now on.

    35. Miss-Underestimated on September 14th, 2007 1:01 pm

      Well, it will speak volumes if the Kalpoes do not comply. If you have nothing to hide, comply…

    36. Robert on September 14th, 2007 1:14 pm

      This is good news. But I wonder if indeed files will be handed over as long as the penal case isn’t finished. Handing over the files now might damage the penal case.
      I’m amazed (and a bit embarrassed) that it takes this long and still the penal case isn’t brought to court. Maybe, hopefully this ruling by this US judge will speed up all the penal case processes as well.

    37. Patti on September 14th, 2007 1:28 pm

      #34:

      Good… had me scared for a minute.

      .

      Nurturer:

      There is no cause to make a comment like that.
      Sure it’s funny, but, please if you disagree
      so much, tell me why.

      .

      I’m only going to say one more thing and that is that there are alot of poeple, just like the Kalpoes that say things out of retaliation. Most of us are adults and we do it. Why is it so hard to comprehend that EVERYBODY does it? I know that some of you are older than I am and that may make a difference. But for young people to say that someone looked like a slut, walked, talked etc. but her mother thought she was a goody two shoes is bad, but is clearly something said in retaliation. Makes you kinda want to know what the question was.

      Plus… we have talked about this alot lately. Beth was the engine that kept that investigation going down there. Deepak and Satish would, certainly, feel some resentment toward her for the many times that they were hauled in for questioning and kept in jail. What was said was a bad thing to say… but clearly it is said in retaliation, not against Natalee, but against Beth.

      I know it sounds like I’m trying to excuse their behavior and I’m not – there’s no excuse. But there is such a thing as redemption… and THAT is what I think the Kalpoes are seeking.

      Besides, why complain… we are getting press coverage, we are getting an opportunity to peer deeper into this case plus we may get the ammunition we need to prove a cover up.

      Why is everyone picking on me… just because I see this as a positive thing?????

    38. JustMeT on September 14th, 2007 1:44 pm

      Patti I understand where you are coming from.

      I hope you are right that they have grown up. We shall see.

    39. ayfit on September 14th, 2007 1:52 pm

      Justice;
      The crow taste awful.This case has clowded my thinking. I had forgotten the awful remarks made by the poes. I am so ready for Beth to have closure. Seems as though it will never happen. Hate to tell you,but the only winners here are the lawyers. I hope they are paid upon RESULTS. I am afraid we will never know what happened to Natalee. As for Joron and the Kalpoes-sleep with one eye open.

    40. SUPER DAVE on September 14th, 2007 1:55 pm

      i would have to wonder if the documents are turned over, would they be real ? these people have already shown that they are a heartless bunch of assassins and have no reguard for human life.
      i think the k-punks will not go through with this suit and this will further prove their involvement in the disappearence of Natalee.
      i say let them come over here and not let them leave. we could slap the terrorist label on them easily since they look just like one !

    41. LilPuma on September 14th, 2007 1:59 pm

      25. DisgustedMom: I believe Dr. Phil’s response to the Kalpoe suit or his Discovery requests address the issue of who is behind this Kalpoe suit. I can’t remember how it was worded; perhaps a monkey with a better memory could help. Please?

    42. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 2:01 pm

      Hear that Aruba? You’re still stuck on stupid folks!~ To think that you can bring a lawsuit and not turn over ALL PERTINENT information and expect this case to move forward shows even Aruba’s best & brightest came up with this bright idea are a laughing stock to the world!

    43. Para2legal on September 14th, 2007 2:01 pm

      Enough of the b.s. Deepak gave an interview to Jamie in hopes of being paid to go on the Dr. Phil show. The tapes were edited, not manipulated. The suspects admitted having group sex with girls before but omitted the drugging part. In Joran’s own words, “We’ve done this 20 times before”.
      J2K are guilty of the kidnapping, drugging, rape, murder and corpse abuse of Natalee Holloway. Many corrupt Aruban officals aided and abetted in the cover-up fearing the truth would trigger loss of tourism $$. The opposite happened.
      The lawsuit is an act of greed by the Kalpoes and attorneys knowing Dr. Phil and CBS have deep, deep pockets. Phhht – In no way, shape or form should ANY of Natalee’s rapists and murderers be deemed repentant.

    44. Brenda on September 14th, 2007 2:05 pm

      We are not picking on you Patti…we just see you have no common sense or real-life perception of anything. That’s all.

    45. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 2:06 pm

      We’re still right here

      Giving blood….keeping faith and

      We’re still right here…

    46. LilPuma on September 14th, 2007 2:07 pm

      37. Patti. You said the Kalpoes had courage and you applaud them and think they’re trying to clear their names. Those “picking on you” have opinions of the Kalpoes that are the polar opposite. They’re lying bottom feeders who are looking for a big payday from Phil McGraw. That’s the best I can say about them because I don’t know if they’re also lying rapists and murderers or accessories to rape and murder.

    47. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 2:13 pm

      Sting said/sang it best…

      every move you make

      every breath you take

      i’ll be watching you

      The Sloots’s Kalpoe’s & other’s close to the case are being watched. Their live’s are not their own anymore and may never be again.

      (OT—-OJ may be arrested today in Vegas!~)

      W00T~

    48. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 2:13 pm

      Patti…the Kalpoes seeking redemption? What?

    49. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 2:21 pm

      I knew from the get go that this sham of a case was going to go nowhere fast without proper discovery. No suprise’s here….but it was entertaining watching Greta and her panel mocking and laughing at Aruba once again!~

    50. bleachedblack on September 14th, 2007 2:33 pm

      ….like that…. Gottcha, splat!

    51. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 2:33 pm

      If Nat was my baby… I think at this
      point I’d want to put together
      a 6 – 12 man hit team, and extract Paulus Vandersloot like a tooth
      that has gone bad. They’d ambush the boys,
      and beat the livin’ Yak turds out ALL THREE of them until they sang every note of what happened
      to Nat. F dimplomacy at this point. You first
      have to have a Dimplomat before you can have
      dimplomacy. What are these savages going to
      write with, the bones stuck in their noses?
      When all else fails, a well placed size 12
      wedged up somone’s bazoot without Vaseline
      really can work miracles. -j4n

    52. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 2:34 pm

      #41, LilPuma

      “25. DisgustedMom: I believe Dr. Phil’s response to the Kalpoe suit or his Discovery requests address the issue of who is behind this Kalpoe suit. I can’t remember how it was worded; perhaps a monkey with a better memory could help. Please?”

      Interesting! Now I’m more excited about this suit than ever!

      Go Dr Phil! Get Paulus! LOL

      Actually, finding out who’s backing the lawyers of the Kalpoes needs to be done just as much as finding out who’s paying Joey Taco. Probably the same person/group and maybe the Kalpoe suit was only filed in the first place to get a payout from which to pay Joey also for all his wasted time. Maybe was their only hope.

      Well, the way I see this, it’s going to end up costing whoever is backing this entire coverup more money….money for having to give up things that will be thouroughly investigated until something spits out like a huge zit being popped! Paying to get themselves exposed! What great karma!

      Too bad it’s California though. But on the good side, it’s also major media being sued.

      I’m sure those morons in Aruba, namely Paulus, don’t realize they can’t sue Dr Phil for what he does on his TV show…he has insurance and so does the network have insurance for any mistakes he might make. We’re talking about a whole bunch of lawyers on Dr Phil’s side. Paulus can’t compete with that. AFter all, he’s only used to being able to fool morons.

      And once it’s deemed frivolous? Then the Kalpoe backers are going to have to pay the bills of the defense.

      Aruba For Sale! …oh, wait…that’s nothing new is it? Aruba has always been for sale.

    53. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 2:38 pm

      A DIMPLOMAT is just like a ‘DIPLOMAT’

      …he just has more DIMPLES!

      :) oops.

      http://tinyurl.com/yodhcr

    54. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 2:54 pm

      LOL Carpe!

    55. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 3:02 pm

      The only thing that has changed is that the Kalpuke brother’s usefulness is just about out.

      These 2 punks are guilty as hell of being complicit in the drugging, kidnapping & possible rape & murder of Natalee. Innocent my a$$!

    56. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2007 3:11 pm

      OT Again

      OMG Simpson is saying Mark Furman planted the evidence in Vegas!!~

      hahahahaha

    57. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 3:13 pm

      #37 Patti

      Why does Deepak have a right to retaliate? To feel like he has been wronged? People retaliate against wrongs. How was Deepak wronged by being asked about Natalee?

      Deepak was NOT retaliating! He was making the self-justifying remarks of a twisted mentality that believes it’s OK to rape! ..which is the same mentality that thinks it OK to usurp the rights and dignity of others.

      And speaking of Dignity…

      Courts (and morally ethical people) seek to uphold people’s rights and dignity. Dignity is the word that is left out too often when authorities charged with making sure people’s rights and dignity are honored try to handle things brought before them. And Aruba does not even have the word in their vocabulary when it comes to the victim. Natalee’s dignity was not only taken from her, it was rewritten as if she deserved none…by Aruban authorities, the VDS’s and Deepak Kalpoe! AND not only that….they tried to pass off that Joran’s behavior was dignified!

      Sick people!

    58. Libby on September 14th, 2007 3:15 pm

      #51 I agree Carpe, I would have taken those lil punks out a long time ago. Of course, they would have suffered beyond belief prior to me doing them in.

    59. downloadingdaddy on September 14th, 2007 3:18 pm

      I am hard pressed to believe that even if they handed over the documents that they would be accurate. My guess would be that the Kalpoes will drop the lawsuit unless they firmly believe and or know that the documents have been altered in their favor.
      I hate not being able to feel hopeful in this case but after all the lies and games I have seen coming out of Aruba I am unable to feel that they are capable of doing anything that is morally correct.

      I hope I am wrong.

      Justice for Natalee

    60. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 4:04 pm

      Right Mayan!

      The Kalpoes are ABSOLUTELY involved. That is the only reason it would have lasted this long. IMHO

      They all have something dirty on the each other…

      One gets knocked out, they all topple down

      like a weakly built house of cards.

    61. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 4:05 pm

      I am right there with ya on that, Libby. -j4n

    62. Patti on September 14th, 2007 4:14 pm

      #59 – Down-Loading Daddy!!!

      I know. It’s just like when the Dutch investigators showed up. I was ALL EXCITED while everyone else was like, “I’ll believe it when I see it”. The people that have been here the longest and have gone through all the ups and downs of being hopeful and then being disappointed have a hard time being excited when good things happen. I think it’s because, like you said, all the lies and games in Aruba.

      But, see, that’s another reason why I’m so excited, it’s not in Aruba, it’s here!!!

      What we need to do is start putting some pressure on the Dutch to share their documents if Aruba doesn’t feel the need. The Dutch have had this case up to their eyebrows and will, probably, gladly share their documents to stay on the side of our good grace. They have to be feeling the pressure.

    63. Miss-Underestimated on September 14th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Hey, I love the picture of JQK with the RATS in the trap. How fitting is that?

    64. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 4:32 pm

      On a funny note:

      When Deepak spoke to
      Jamie Skeeters he basicly said…The Americans
      are not right saying that the Aruban Law Enforcement are Keystone Cops… “When I
      was arrested they had my entire life
      before me, and ***every girl I’d ever been
      with*** right there in front
      of me on the table.”

      ***ROFLMAO****

      Every girl he’d ever been with!!!!

      The ALE must have filed
      the report on a
      Post It note.

      Deepak is such a frigging LOSER! He also
      thought he could put a hurtin’ on Vandersloot.
      That pip squeak lives in a FANTASY LAND.

      With a face like the Missing Link, he’s limited to girls from church his mother can sucker into performing acts of charity.

      Everytime Dee-crack Kalpone gets layed,
      Halley’s Comet makes an appearance!

    65. brie on September 14th, 2007 4:39 pm

      Deepak has never had too much to say and when he did say something it was pure smut and a bunch of lies. Still suspects, if they wanted to try and do something to clear their names they could of come to the US and many people would of given them an interview. Maybe even paid their expenses. Involved in the disappearance of Natalee and they want millions.

      But I do think that Deepak knows something about Natalee having a head injury, also knows about what kind of chit did she have on her, so he says. If they want the truth to come out, now is their chance.

    66. Patti on September 14th, 2007 4:41 pm

      Disgusted Mom:

      Sweetie, you don’t understand me very well. I am not saying that what they did was right… but here we are two years + down the road, Aruba wants the case closed, the Dutch have their investigation that they are conducting but if they didn’t find anything, this may be what we have left… at least for a while.

      I wish I could make you understand, this is a milestone and the fact that the Dutch have copies of their documents means that we have a more responsible country to rely upon for the information.

      THIS is a GOOD thing.

    67. 10061906 on September 14th, 2007 4:46 pm

      I am probably completely wrong as my forte is more business law. But…
      The Extradition of Fugatives Clause in the Constitution requires States, upon demand of another State, deliver a fugitive of justice who has committed a “treason, felony or other crime” to be removed to the State from which the fugitive has fled. 18 U.S.C. § 3182 sets the process by which an executive of a state, district or territory of the United States must arrest and turn over a fugitive from another state, district or territory.
      The USA has signed extradition treaties with Aruba and The Netherlands.
      The only problem is the case for the prosecution I believe has to originate from the United States. I believe they, the suspects would have to be tried in abstentia and then a warrant issued to have the suspect(s) extradited.
      By the way the Kalpoes were born in Suriname not Aruba. So they are not citizens of Aruba legally. Deepak arrived first and Satish I believe three years later.
      They have been worried that they would be deported to Suriname which could happen any time.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_absentia

      I’m not really sure how this would work. I believe a charge that Natalee’s civil rights etc etc were violated by the JK2’s by not taking her back to the hotel as she requested; would have to be submitted in either Federal Court in the State of Alabama or the Alabama Supreme court. The defendant(s) would have to prove that they took her back to her hotel.
      If a trial in absentia proved that the defendants were guilty perhaps the Superior Court of The State of Alabama or Federal Court may request extradition of the suspects.
      The original mistake was to issue the charges in the State of New York which had no interest in the case as Natalee resided in Mountain Brook Alabama.
      No matter what; Joe Tacopina cannot practice law on Aruba as he has not as yet passed either the Netherlands’ or Aruba’s legal bar requirements.

    68. Patti on September 14th, 2007 5:18 pm

      JORAN is the one that says that if they
      find the girl, they’ll find that shit!

      It was said TO Deepak… probably referring
      to some drugs that he had sold to Joran.

      It was a threat, which is what he and his father
      used against them to keep the fear in them so
      they could keep them acting “stupid” and telling
      lies “for” them. They probably thought that Nat
      died of an overdose because of something they had
      sold to Joran.

      They dropped them off with the drugs and left.
      They probably got a call when Natalee didn’t wake
      up and that was why Satish asks about the girl the
      next morning.

    69. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 5:47 pm

      Yeah, right Patti, but…

      Now where does the part come in to play

      where the filthy, disgusting, sex starved,

      greed monger,

      Deepak Kalpoe turns to Joran

      and says “Hey, Can We Keep My Brother Satish

      Out of This?”

      How does that plug in?

      Out of ‘WHAT’

      Touching the girl with the car? -j4n

    70. JusticeforNatalee on September 14th, 2007 5:49 pm

      Spot-on, #43 Para2legal.

      Everyone, make sure you read #43.

    71. Port Valerie on September 14th, 2007 5:56 pm

      I don’t get this. The outcome is what? Double bind for K2? The case can’t proceed until the documents are produced, but K2 doesn’t have them and can’t produce them. Stalemate. Quicksand.

    72. Patti on September 14th, 2007 6:11 pm

      Sorry for my bad grammer:

      It was a threat which is what Joran and his father
      used against them to keep the fear in them so they would keep acting “stupid” and telling lies. They probably thought that Nat had died of an overdose because of something they had sold to Joran.

      They dropped Joran and Natalee off with the drugs and left. They probably got a call when Natalee passed out and that’s why Satish asked about the girl the next morning.

      But… if Natalee had died of an overdose, why would there be a cover-up? People die of overdoses all the time. She didn’t die of an overdose, I think we all can agree on that. But Deepak and Satish didn’t know what had happened and thought that Joran and his Father were acting in their interests… until they started seeing Joran’s statements. It was then that Deepak told about the story invented around the swimming pool and the “No Body, No Crime” theory resulting in the arrest of Papa Sloot.

      How does it feel, Joran?

      ****************

      The thing that is so amazing is that this all happened AFTER the cover up at the rocks. That makes it evident that Deepak and Satish were clueless, they didn’t even know that she had been found and disposed of. Obviously, Joran was trying to frame Deepak saying that he had buried her at Fisherman’s Huts on or around June 24 – Nearly two-weeks after the recovery of her body at the rocks.

      Pigeons… certainly they don’t deserve to be held responsible for any more than what they ACTUALLY did. There is no proof that I know of that the Kalpoes knew anything about the cover-up that was being conducted by Jan the Man (Jan Van der Straaten) and Company.

      IMHO

    73. Mike on September 14th, 2007 6:12 pm

      I was reading the forum and came upon a post about Ultimate Bet’s Aruba poker tournament. I can offer some information about this if someone would email me: thought_criminal_1980@yahoo.com I sent a registration request but do not know if it will go through (a previous request did not).
      ___________________
      SM: I just approved you for forum membership. I’ll also copy this post and post it in the forum right now, thanks! (klaasend)

    74. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 6:14 pm

      #66, Patti…I’m not all that Sweet. LOL…Sweet is spelled- S U C K E R -to too many people.

    75. Patti on September 14th, 2007 6:27 pm

      What’s wrong, Carpe? Do you really want me to give you my opinion or are you upset that someone, finally, spoke up and said that all those posts that went through saying that Deepak said that to Joran were in error. As if Deepak was a witness to something sick and disgusting that was on Natalee’s body.

      You knew it, but what the heck? Huh?

      Let’s deal with the facts, not someone’s fantasy about what happened or was said.

      But… to answer your question, perhaps Satish is the one that ran into the bar to pick up the drugs and Deepak wanted to keep him out of it and take the responsibility on himself… you know, like most big brothers do.

      He was getting his legal advise from the Devil himself and was nearly to the point of spending a good portion of his life behind bars except for one thing –

      Where’s Natalee???????

      IMHO

    76. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 6:34 pm

      #64 Carpe….Very Funny! LMAO

      Imagine how Deepak feels being so short against Satish and Joran. I’ll bet they both use him for an elbow rest! Guess that’s why he’s slump-shouldered even while driving his ‘cool’ car.

      While he was so busy making the car cool, he should have had a concave seat special made to fit his humpback in so it would look like he could sit up straight.

      His only love is that Honda with the badonkadonk tail pipes and sexy growl of a voice.

      Deepak + Girls = NO! He only likes to watch!

      Deepak’s only girl friend is that one-time boss of his, Angela (or whatever her name was). And she’s not about romance. She’s about being his defender, like her brother.

    77. brie on September 14th, 2007 6:35 pm

      I* thought it was Deepak that said, if they find that girl and see the chit on her your going to jail and you can kiss your scholarship Good-bye!!!

      ____________________
      SM: Here is part of the police car transcript:

      Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
      Joran: For what? for what?
      Deepak: That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
      Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, retard. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn’t lie.
      Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
      Joran: I should have killed you, retard. Shut your trap.

    78. Patti on September 14th, 2007 6:37 pm

      Disgusted Mom:

      Well, I don’t know… you seem pretty nice to me.

      I’d never take you for a sucker, not in a million

      years.

    79. LilPuma on September 14th, 2007 6:45 pm

      43. Para2legal: That pretty much sums it up. :-)

    80. LilPuma on September 14th, 2007 6:51 pm

      51. Carpe. The way this investigation was handled, I think Joran, Paulus and the Kalpoes are lucky that Dave Holloway is a devout Christian. I think there are many fathers out there who would feel the way you do and might actually follow through.

    81. brie on September 14th, 2007 7:08 pm

      ..SM…Thank you for responding but I think what I remember was the conversation in jail…

    82. disgustedmom on September 14th, 2007 7:18 pm

      #72

      The rocks….the rocks that were painted white in some spots.

      Here’s the problem I’m having with the rocks: If Natalee were found there, then ALE would know this. And they could have given Beth a death certificate. They did not give her one as far as I know.

      If Natalee were not found there, but her blood was, then of course it wouldn’t be certain that she was dead, but depending on the amount of blood Jan VDS could have made an educated guess that she was dead because he had seen evidence to support that belief.

      In both cases though, there is no admittance by ALE that what was at the rocks had anything to do with Natalee. In fact, they say it was someone else. (wasn’t it a little boy? Did anyone ever say where he was from, his name or anything?)

      So the problem I have with the rocks is that if they did find Natalee evidence there, either her body or enough blood to feasibly realize she could not be alive….why cover it up when all they had to do was say ‘Joran didn’t do it -hiding any evidence they may have found that implicated him-, We don’t know who did, but we’re still looking’ and then not try real hard to look like they’re doing anyway?

      If that was Natalee evidence at the rocks, then it was a massacre! And if it was a massacre then it was done intentionally and openly intentionally to upet tourism perhaps…and the reason why ALE couldn’t just clear Joran and anyone else they wanted to by losing evidence against them could be because it is the massacre itself they need to hide from anyone knowing about.

      You all know the way Aruba is so crooked, it wouldn’t have mattered in what state they found Natalee’s body. No matter what they would still find a way to clear Joran and Paulus if they wanted to. So maybe it’s not the players that they are concerned about saving. Maybe Natalee was a tourist version of Pit Bull or Rene or that Lawson guy in the drum? And Aruba doesn’t want anyone to know tourists are now fair game for political games played on that island.

      Does anyone know if Paulus pissed off anyone by not doing them a favor when asked? What about if Paulus made some innocent person go to jail? Or maybe he helped put some gangsta in jail. Could be revenge if one of such a person took a tourist from Joran to massacre and leave in the open like that. Send a message maybe?

      Anyway, that’s the problem I have with the whole rock thing. It doesn’t make sense that Joran, knowing everyone knew he was the last one with her, would make such a mess openly. Even Joran is not that stupid.

      And since I don’t think anything of such a bizarre theory, as I’ve expressed in this post, happened, I can’t buy that it was Natalee at the rocks.

      Yet, something was there. Something they felt a need to paint over. Blood could be washed/scrubbed off. Painting white spots on the rocks makes them look ridiculous! Unless the paint was used to mark the spots for later use as in an investigation in progress, I have no idea why they painted the rocks. Anyone?

    83. Patti on September 14th, 2007 7:23 pm

      I SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU, RETARD.

      If that doesn’t say it all.

      Deepak and Satish are important witnesses to the
      cover-up. Most of the others have flew the coup.

      Mr. Jan and Company had them all tied up and ready to go down the ol’ shoot when something, obviously, went wrong. The psychopath blew his fuse and spoiled their plans. Natalee wasn’t supposed to die of mutilation and gun shot wounds, she was supposed to die of an overdose.
      So let’s blame Joran and say that he’s crazy and we’ll stick him in a mental institution and be done with it.

      .

      I don’t mind hating on people, as long as we hate on the right people. We can’t let our prejudice, bias and inuendos get in the way of justice. This
      is not a crime regarding the sale of drugs. This
      is a cold-blooded murder. THAT’s why they had to
      cover it up… too many people knew.

      And the disclaimer printed on the Chicago Video’s
      says it all.

    84. brie on September 14th, 2007 7:42 pm

      The way I see it, they’re are so many people involved in the disappearance of Natalee. Much of it lies with tourism, Aruba’s form of justice(none). Paulus had the help of all the dirty works of Aruba. He has performed so many illegal favors. And there isn’t one decent person to come forward. I think the Netherlands should dump their asses, they don’t need the problems, they’ll never get their money back, so why continue to support them.

      The Queen needs to take her blinders off…!!!! You own a corrupt island with drugs dealers, porn freaks, rapists, murderers, kidnappers, lying officers of the law, known criminal allowed to own a hotel and casino, against your laws, where are you, false driver licenses rendered, people injured and killed, you could of demanded Justice for Natalee…but not one word for you…!!!

    85. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2007 7:50 pm

      Patti -

      I have had friends of all colors
      my entire life. The Kalpoes do not
      even get near the color black in this
      American’s view, not even with a wicked
      sun burn.

      That white man vs. black man shite that the
      Vandersloot family loves to be talking about
      so much.

      It is a load of Vandersloot poop.

      The Kalpoes have every bit as much to do with
      the crimes on Natalee Holloway as Joran
      Vandersloot. imo

      The Kalpoes are two rapists with a car and a video camera.

      Joran is a rapist that graduated to murder
      on May 30th, 2005.

      Paulus Vandersloot a
      corpse disposal specialist. He
      is murderer like his son!

      Gotta love that lying oinker of a wife too,

      Anita!!!

      HEY PAUL, HOW MUCH MAD DUCK DID U HAVE TO SLUG

      BACK BEFORE SWINGING A LEG UP ON THAT OL’ HOG

      BECAME AN OPTION?

      Great googlie mooglie

      that beyotch is an old gas bag…

      You’da fared better

      doinkin’ your maid.

      If it wasn’t for Paulus Vandersloot, I truly
      don’t feel we’d be here posting about this
      today. -j4n

    86. Patti on September 14th, 2007 7:59 pm

      Disgusted Mom:

      There was supposed to have been a boy that was from Columbia found that day. He supposedly had
      been missing for two years. They said that he
      had been buried there.

      They had gone there because Joran had supposedly
      confessed and led them to where the body was.
      The body that I see there is not dead for two weeks. Neither is the body in the bag.

      Gee…. I smell a rat and not the low-riding,
      cruisin’ havin’ fun-in-the-sun Kalpoe kind of rat

      Actually, I think I smell a pig.

      Who’s in charge, anyway?

    87. brie on September 14th, 2007 8:01 pm

      Well Aruba your not a happy safe island anymore…you can thank your Ale and your gov’t….anyone that visits your island deserves what they get because they have been warned…you can thank Joran he made all of this happen…spoiled psychopath…I can do what I want, Daddy said so, he’s going to a judge and I am safe….Paulus covered up because of his future. Beth has a signed document that says Joran had sex with Natalee at his house, so where do we go from here!!!

    88. Patti on September 14th, 2007 8:33 pm

      Carpe:

      I couldn’t agree with you more. But race was a part of this case, in Aruba. The Aruban that took that video was sending a message. That being that they are tired of their people being set up for crimes they didn’t commit.

      I know you’re not a racist and I’m not implying
      that you are, but the Dutch in Aruba are, and
      obviously, there had been some double dealing from the bottom of the deck going on there before. The people from Aruba always say “Dirty Police”.

      And, frankly, I’m beginning to wonder if Natalee had been held captive for a couple weeks before she was murdered. Certainly, if that were true; it could be possible that the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it and had no knowledge of her whereabouts.

      The way that Deepak pleads with Joran to just tell the truth makes me think that he was tired of the rat race and was willing to take a rap for the drugging of Natalee, even if that was not what had killed her. Now, I know that the difference between you and I is mostly gender; and, as a woman, I tend to have soft spots but, Carpe, there is something about these two that just don’t fit in with the raping and murdering Sloots. That’s my gut. I know that there have been past episodes where they admit to having group sex… but I don’t see that here. I do see that Satish adored Natalee, but not in a sexual way… more in a fun, kick back and have a good time sort of way. I mean IDOLIZED her. I just don’t see it any other way.

      If you want me to shut up about it, I will. But I want you to remember my words.

      .

      Now… Let me ask you a question:

      You’ve seen the body in the bag. You have been
      working with frames from the Chicago Video’s, specifically, on the body in the bag… You don’t think that she could possibly been dead for nearly two weeks and remain in that condition, do you?

    89. Patti on September 14th, 2007 8:37 pm

      Oh, and Carpe…

      I think you’re hilarious!!!

      (Smiles)

    90. Maggie on September 14th, 2007 9:04 pm

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html
      February 23, 2007

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers’ car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

      Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

      Deepak stated on his Jamie Skeeters tape that Greta offered him a MiLLION to talk (BIG LIE)

      Deepak said Satish drove to Carlos n Charlies, Satish said Deepak did.

      Nadira said her sons told her that “the girl” didn’t even talk to them when she got in the car, not even to say hi, yet Deepak is saying Natalee got in and introduced herself and he said hi back.

      She said Satish don’t drink.

      Deepak told that Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw off an investigation, before there was one.

      They cleaned their car twice at least the night in question. ants, sand, whatever..

      Deepak says they have all been in the same room having sex with girls before.

      Deepak says they all went out to Carlos n Charlies and sometimes it was Joran who got the girl, sometimes Freddie.

      Steve Croes just pops up out of blue, he don’t know them, but he goes and tells the police he saw them drop Natalee off at Holiday Inn. (who believes that?)

      What is the mention of Satish touching a girl with a car and him having a gun?

      What about that 8 and a half minute phone call between Joran and Deepak around 3 or so the night in question? The longest between them ever Karin Janssen said.

      Deepak calling Natalee a slut and questioning why a girl would get in the car with themselves? How smart is that? Who would get in the car with me and my brother and friend? Don’t say much for yourself and friends if you say that.

      I remember him being rude to Beth when she went to the Internet café.

      Just like the other adults in this case, they have all had a choice. Greta went to talk to them and Nadira called the police and said she was yelling Killer at the house.

      There was a story on here she was fired for stealing.

      She also said all big people lie as an excuse for why someone would lie to the police in the crucial times a person is missing at first.

      They are trying to collect big bucks for defammation of character? Now how could you defame your character any more then they have themselves?

      Joran claims Deepak raped and buried her, Deepak claims Joran raped her.

      Joran claims they didn’t go to the lighthouse based on a guard at the lighthouse and Deepak says they went and Joran was doing all kinds of sexual stuff to her, can quote what the volume his radio is at all times, can tell you exact speed he was doing everywhere, but he suddenly gets amnesia when asked what Paulus said when they all got together and he can’t remember if Joran went to school and they met with Joran outside the club to talk the next evening. What was Deepak and Joran up to the night the cops arrived. Deepak claims they got back to the house after the call from Paulus, before Jug or Charles Croes say they even arrived at the Van der Sloots that night to talk to Joran.

      Lies, Lies, Lies, and they all did anything and everything to keep the parents from knowing what happened to their daughter after they were the last 3 with her and still lying.

      I don’t praise anyone who has behaved like that.

      When I think of courage, I think of the men and women in uniform putting everyone else above themselves for the common good of others. I think of Ron Goldman or Beth Holloway and Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, the cops who put themselves in harm’s way to protect others. Deepak and Satish, Courage? Sorry, I don’t see it.

    91. Patti on September 14th, 2007 9:21 pm

      That didn’t come out right!

      Carpe:

      You’ve seen the Body in the Bag.

      In fact, you have been working
      with some frames from the Chicago
      Videos, specifically, the body in
      the bag…

      Do you think that Natalee, or any
      one for that matter, could be dead
      for two weeks and remain in that
      condition?
      ____________________
      SM: Keep in mind, we have no way of knowing exactly when that video was actually taken. All we know for sure is when it was uploaded to the aru-bay site. It could have actually be taken any time. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with what people see in the bag, just saying we don’t know the date of the video..we are ony guessing the date. (klaasend)

    92. brie on September 14th, 2007 9:30 pm

      We’re lead to believe she is dead, but where is the proof, I don’t discount the idea of abduction, Paulus has connections with Venezuela, she could of been injured by Joran, and no one was going to take the blame, a judge in training, this cannot ruin my career, so they sent her into sex slavery…that is not a preposterous idea..!!! Too many ?’s unanswered!!! The answer is with Paulus….and with the help of Straaten…!!!! WHERE IS NATALEE!!!!

    93. Miss-Underestimated on September 14th, 2007 10:06 pm

      How’d Anita know what underwear Natalee had?

      How’d Paulus know Natalee was dead?

      How’d Paulus know that they’d never find Natalee?

      How’d C. Croes know Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee?

      Was Anita ever brought in for questioning?

      If we throw out all the statements made by the suspects, these above people have information about what happened. Sooo how many other people know and are just keeping quite?

    94. Patti on September 14th, 2007 10:19 pm

      Maggie:

      Come on.

      Some of those things are just, plain silly.

      Do you remember them being face to face with Joran and yelling, “That lie was for YOU”?

      You know what happened. You’re not stupid. The long call at three o’clock in the morning was, obviously, the call concerning Natalee. The longest call that was ever made to them should tell YOU something.

      What does a drug dealer do when he thinks that he may be visited by the police?

      CLEAN HIS CAR!!!!

      I really don’t want to embarrace you with the logical… but I will take on the one where Nadira said that BIG people lie. Was SHE lying?

      Touching a girl with the car? (Notice it does not say THE girl)….

      Joran also said, “I am going to tell things ABOUT you”

      and having a gun? Joran has a gun, too. So what?

      The lighthouse – we all know – and they have admitted that they lied. They even told the authorities WHY they lied. It is because of them that we are even aware of the conversation around the pool and Paulus was arrested.

      Is a person unredeemable in your book?

      That’s not the way that the Holloways feel and that’s not the way Natalee was either.

      And then the money… who care’s about the MONEY? Do you think that the judges ruling has anything to do with money? Please, CBS has deep enough pockets to defend themselves? How do you know that the film was not editted to make it sound like Deepak said something he didn’t? That’s what this is all about. And you just got a ruling that benefits the family of Natalee Holloway and all you guys can do is come after me because I say that I’m happy?

      You can pick my words apart all you want. Courage was the word I used. It, certainly, is not a cowardly thing to do to come here and try to clear up something.

      Besides, how do you know that this whole thing is not a deal being made betweeen the parties to get at information that will solve the murder of Natalee Holloway? Did you ever think of that? No… you’d rather belly ache and pick people apart because they have a NEW perception of things.

      This is one post that is not so good, Maggie.

      This is now… not then; and it is obvious that you don’t see that. Fast forward a couple years, please.

    95. Maggie on September 14th, 2007 11:36 pm

      Where does it show that Satish and Deepak are drug dealers, to explain why they cleaned their car the same night after Natalee was in it?

      Big people may lie, but she’s explaining why her son’s lied to the cops repeatedly. I don’t know big people who lie to the cops and try to explain it like that.

      In Joran’s Greta interview, he said Deepak still says they went to the Lighthouse. Joran only changed his to say they didn’t after he saw a police statement by a guard.

      It isn’t because of them we know about the conversations around the pool. They didn’t come forward and tell that,, they told Mickey Johns that. Deepak went on to say in his police reports, he couldn’t remember what Paulus said to them.

      I never did say CBS is worried about the money or the judge. I said Deepak and Satish are wanting the money, not vice versa. If they really wanted to come clean they would get their butts in touch with Beth and her lawyers and come clean. NOTTTT be in court in California asking for money and their lawyer saying even if they were told to turn them over they wouldn’t. Why not put it all out on the table if they truly want to come clean?
      Noone is stopping them from coming clean with proper authorites. Deepak had no problem calling a girl to lie for him, when he thought he was spotted by a witness.

      They were the ones who at first threw an entire investigation off in the most crucial hours of a child is missing not just hours but days and days and let 2 innocent men sit in jail for kidnapping and murder.

      I don’t see anything courageous about coming to the USA to ask for money for yourself blaming someone for defaming your character after all they engaged in to defame it themselves. There is nothing honorable about anything these people have done.

      I don’t speak for what the Holloways want or feel except for what they’ve posted on interviews or anything. I have never seen anywhere that Dave or Beth says they believe the Kalpoes have been redeemed. They have tried twice in 2 courts to bring lawsuits against the Kalpoes and the Sloots and lost on jurisdiction efforts. You have to come clean and pay the price to get redemption. You can’t come here and ask for money and then not cooperate with what the court says.

      I will hold my judgement on the film of Dr. Phil’s, but I have seen people on both sides listen to that tape and say he say we did and then others who said we didn’t. I don’t believe Dr. Phil needs money or publicity so bad he would alter a tape. Edit for time, yes.

      Fast forward 2 years? I have guess what, they still have conflicting stories pointing fingers at each other and refused to talk to the cops anymore, refused to go watch the tape when the cops offered them to come in.

    96. minnesota dad on September 14th, 2007 11:43 pm

      Interesting thought regarding this Kalpoe suit….

      It has been brought up as a theory in the past that the Kalpoe suit was brought in order to protect the Kalpoes from being framed by ALE, PVDS, and Joran.

      Perhaps this is true. Think about it. The KLPD was asked to ‘Review’ the evidence one year ago. How long does it take to ‘review’ evidence. In the meantime, the Kalpoes smell a rat….they are going to get stuck with the crime by the KLPD and ALE. Kalpoes file suit knowing that the potential for discovery will contradict the “fix” that the KLPD and ALE were working on.

      This theory would explain why the KLPD seems to have become impotent on this case because the discovery will show not only has all of Aruba covered up…..but now the KLPD is helping cover-up too.

      What a cluster…

      It will be interesting to see the next steps taken by the Kalpoes. Perhaps they appeal the decision which will add another 3-6 months until the appellate court rules. This would mean the KLPD won’t do anything for another 3-6 months. They are starting to look VERY foolish now that it has already been a year for them to ‘review’ the evidence in the case.

      How many more worthless visits to PVDS home are we going to see as they ‘collect more evidence’….ummm, KLPD you are reviewing the case….you are not collecting more evidence.

      The Kalpoes will never produce the discovery documents….but they may continue to drag this out to prevent the KLPD and Aruba for framing them with the entire crime.

      Shame on Aruba….shame on the KLPD.

      md

    97. Patti on September 15th, 2007 12:04 am

      Maggie:

      Look.

      I’m sorry for being so harsh.

      I want you to think about what we’re here for.

      We’re here to support the families of the
      missing and exploited. We’re here to show encouragement… the bright side of things.

      The front page has become nothing more than a
      bidding war… a popularity contest, with no
      regard to how we are perceived by the victim’s family. This case has taken so much out of what used to be loving, happy people that they can’t even rejoice without predicting the outcome, which is usually ALWAYS doom. Oh, it’s all lies. Oh, it will never work. Oh, these people are such jerks. Oh, Oh, Oh. It’s all sour grapes.

      So what do you do? If you’re a family member, you never visit. Who wants to hear the BS as someone called it today.

      The Holloways have moved away from May 30, 2005. They have to live with the stress that comes with all that life has to offer, plus some. We need to do that, too. Especially, when we are commenting on a news article that is current and drastically effects their lives.

      Instead of well-wishers, we have tallys. People drop by to give their two-cents worth that doesn’t even address the needs of the family… only their own opinion. And sometimes, it’s not even that. It’s a smear on someone… hate mail.

      Is that what Scared Monkeys is about, do you think?

    98. Katablog on September 15th, 2007 1:04 am

      How anyone can think that it takes “courage” to come the USA to try to bilk big bucks out of Dr. Phil, I’ve got no clue.

      Courage would be to tell a grieving family where to find their daughter’s body.

      Courage would be to tell authorities and a grieving family every ounce of evidence that you have.

      There was a time when I had questions as to whether the Kalpoe brothers were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. But we know from following their statements and conversation with Joran in the police car that there is information they have about that night that they have not given. We know for example that Deepak covered for Joran about the text messaging. We know that Deepak and Satish MUST know something in order to lie for Joran, in meeting with Joran and Paulus, in allowing Paulus to pay for their attorneys.

      There is nothing within these boys that I can identify as courage. Their actions speak of greed. and I am appalled that anyone sees it for more than it is.

      Finally, I do not believe that Dr. Phil would endanger a long credible career for a couple seconds of sensational video tape that was doctored. I don’t believe it was doctored, but if it was, I don’t believe Dr. Phil knew. I don’t think Jamie Skeeters would risk his reputation on phony video that Deepak would obviously deny. It makes no sense. What does make sense is that Deepak was involved in what happened to Natalee because of all the filth he spewed forth about her.

    99. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 1:36 am

      Do you think that Natalee, or any
      one for that matter, could be dead
      for two weeks and remain in that
      condition?

      Yes, I do if the remains were bagged at the time

      of death and placed under refrigeration

      at the direction of that gang-raping, murdering,

      piece of filth, Paulus Vandersloot.

      Do I think that Natalee had been lying

      in the MARRIOTT 24 BASIN, out in the heat,

      for 10 whole days?

      Absolutely not.

      That area had been searched

      already, and Paulus Vandersloot

      the Aruban sexual predator,

      knew that! He was busy sweating his li’l

      pom-poms off tryin’ to figger out

      what the heck he was gonna do with

      her. imo -j4n

    100. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 1:59 am

      There was supposed to have been a boy that was from Columbia found that day. He supposedly had
      been missing for two years. They said that he
      had been buried there.

      ……

      I didn’t see even one of

      those ALE guys

      carrying a shovel or digging

      equipment.

      A very persistent cat couldn’t

      successfully bury a turd in that Aruban rock

      armed with 2 sticks of dynamite and a

      jackhammer…

      Do you really think they could have buried a

      deceased 7 year old Columbian boy in that spot

      for 1 – 2 whole years?

      I don’t think I do.

    101. Patti on September 15th, 2007 2:10 am

      I guess we’ll see how things turn out.

      I’m hoping that the Kalpoes have the courage to stay in the suit so that the family can receive important documents to uncover the corruption on Aruba.

      And… perhaps I’m wrong in my perception, but at least I have the character to stand behind my word.

      There is no doubt about it, the Kalpoes are not innocent in every regard, but they are victims of the corruption in Aruba, just as countless others are. Where they made their mistake is that they trusted the corruption and banked on it to cover up what they WERE guilty of… dealing drugs.

      The point that I wanted to make is that there are only two people willing to talk, if they are serious about this lawsuit. Good or bad what they are attempting to do is very dangerous. They are trying to break themselves free of the corruption that binds them; and, like I said earlier, that takes a lot of courage. In that sense I applaud what they are doing and I hope that it will benefit the family in finding the answers that they need to put all this behind them if that is at all possible.

      I think this lawsuit is the key that will unlock the door to the corruption that kept Natalee hidden for nearly two weeks. Deepak knows what happened to Natalee, Freddy told him. Now, if he will, only, tell us.

      Peace be with you all. Thank you for giving me the right to my own opinion. I got a couple of bruises, but all in all it’s not so bad going against the grain.

      Just don’t call me a troll. (Smile)

      Patti

    102. downloadingdaddy on September 15th, 2007 3:29 am

      #96 Md,
      Awesome post! I agree with your perspective, it could definitely be true.

      I feel that I have clearly seen all along that not only was Aruba covering this up but The Dutch as well, Hence the statement from beth, “boycott the nether land Antilles and Aruba”

      In fact I think the Dutch might be more corrupt in this whole mess Than Aruba is. Only time will tell.

      Justice for Natalee.

      Boycott Aruba, Island of no morals.

    103. nurturer on September 15th, 2007 6:49 am

      After all the theories, finger pointing, and bleeding heart rationalizations, in the end it all comes down to one thing. The one thing we do know:

      An American female tourist drove off into the night with three adolescent boys. They returned, she did not, and they then lied about it.

      That to me is a clear cut case of foul play.

      To put faith in that that kind suspicious individual, seems extremely naive.

    104. dave on September 15th, 2007 7:31 am

      # 101 WE don’t care what TROLLS think.

    105. 10061906 on September 15th, 2007 9:08 am

      Possible resting place for Natalee.
      http://www.gudlyf.com/photos/aruba03/goldmine1.jpg
      Although originally an advocate of cremation, I do feel that too many would be involved to maintain secrecy. Two old friends could have placed Natalee in his SUV and taken her about 3 kilometers from Montana and placed her down one of these airshafts, near the Gold Mine Ruin. These extend downward almost 800 feet and the water is not supposed to leech out to the ocean. However anything may be possible including bones appearing on Aruba’s shores.

      An original plea from Oduber.
      http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruba-asks-netherlands-for-help-amigoe.html

      The latest issue of AAA World;
      “Experience the Outback of Aruba”.
      We can express our displeasure in the article by writing to:
      AAA World
      1 River Place
      Wilmington DE 19801

    106. Vicki on September 15th, 2007 10:05 am

      Thank you 1906…will do..Tshirts are soon going to be available for whomever is attending TRAVEL SHOWS…Next one coming is in NEW JERSEY…TAJ MAHAL in ATLANTIC CITY…END OF OCTOBER..If you can go please email JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com

    107. disgustedmom on September 15th, 2007 10:57 am

      Patti said….

      “I want you to think about what we’re here for.

      We’re here to support the families of the
      missing and exploited. We’re here to show encouragement… the bright side of things.

      The front page has become nothing more than a
      bidding war… a popularity contest, with no
      regard to how we are perceived by the victim’s family. This case has taken so much out of what used to be loving, happy people that they can’t even rejoice without predicting the outcome, which is usually ALWAYS doom. Oh, it’s all lies. Oh, it will never work. Oh, these people are such jerks. Oh, Oh, Oh. It’s all sour grapes.

      So what do you do? If you’re a family member, you never visit. Who wants to hear the BS as someone called it today.

      The Holloways have moved away from May 30, 2005. They have to live with the stress that comes with all that life has to offer, plus some. We need to do that, too. Especially, when we are commenting on a news article that is current and drastically effects their lives.”

      *****

      Awww, Patti, why’d you have to go and say those things and add confirmations to my suspicion that you might a troll here to create a subtle pissing match in hopes the family will not have anywhere to come and find support absent of ridiculous intermittent ‘nice things’ said about the evil bandits who took Natalee from them. (the less subtle ones having not worked, so ‘subtle’ allows a troll to stay awhile longer)

      You see, when you say -The front page is a popularity contest and bidding war and are concerned about how Natalee’s family ‘reads’ the posters-, you are IMO talking about yourself, not us because I don’t see any of the rest of us doing those things nor do I read them feeling that way by their posts, so it says something to me about guilty feelings. And when you add that the family might not read here if things get out of control/stressful to read, then IMO you might as well be stating your motive for being here.

      And you go stating that you KNOW Natalee got her hand chopped off by someone with a hand fetish that he used to torture people with….a HAND FETISH? LOL….such reminds me of other bizarre and unnecessary comments made by the VDS’s but moreso the style of the Kalpoes to UPSET emotions with too much detail.

      I have to admit though, you’re quite good at *cough cough* saying how awful it was what happened to Natalee, even though even Joran can say that with a straight face (while knowing he had a direct hand in it). And you seem to be quite angry with ‘Jan the Man’; couple that with your defense of the Kalpoes having been ‘FORCED into being TRAPPED into this case’ and here’s what I get from it….Jan was only covering for Joran and the Kalpoes are mad at Jan.

      Most of our trolls have come here for Joran. Maybe it was only a matter of time before the Kalpoes got one, so maybe you’re it?

      BTW, SATISH had the hots for Natalee? SATISH thought she was really cool in a respectable way? What is that all about, Patti? Satish didn’t even ever talk to Natalee according to all reports. Where are you getting that Satish was like her BFF?

      Was Satish the one Nadira said protested the ill treatment Natalee was receiving in the car? Or did Satish grow to love her while taking his turn babysitting her while she was being held captive for several days? I’m really curious to hear you explain why and HOW you can say Satish was so ‘into’ Natalee!

      Was it true that Joran didn’t expect Satish to come along? Is Satish the missing link in this equation? One who can’t tell on any part of what went down without involving his own brother?

      I don’t think so really. I think Satish may have been supposed to be Natalee’s date, lured by Joran for Satish after Satish picked her out while stalking her. Joran did, afterall, try to get a date for himself with his own gf, Flo. And Joran was way too aloof in his interactions with Natalee, prior to her going off with him, to have me believe she was intended to be HIS date. And didn’t Joran himself say he got dates for his dark skinned friends who normally had trouble getting dates from white tourists?

      I’m not saying Satish did Natalee in. I’d rather think Natalee protested the swap to Satish, Joran assumed she was a racist because of it and kicked her in the head.

      Deepak? He makes remarks that Natalee looked and acted like a ‘slut’….that could have an entirely different meaning than what we’ve discussed on here before. Deepak could be excusing himself for making a mistake in the selection of Natalee for his virgin brother Satish. It might go something like this in translation….I thought she was a slut so I went along with it for Satish.

      What do the Kalpoes know? I’m not sure what all in my mind they might know, but I am pretty sure they at least know Natalee was taken under false pretenses to be Satish’s lay that night and it’s possible Satish backed out of the actual rape because he had admired her from afar all week and actually DID develop feelings for her as a person in his own mind, unlike Joran and Deepak, IF what you/Patti say about Satish’s feelings for Natalee are not just pure speculation on your part. (speculation, I might add, about something that has never been stated anywhere before you brought it up, that I know of anyway. Correct me if I’m wrong about this tidbit being first and only said by Patti, please.)

      Of course, none of this explains what happened to Natalee in the end. I still think that was the doings of Paulus and his buddy Jan to cover for Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee after 2K left them after Joran injured her…got scared and left him to face the music alone.

      It would not surprise me if Jan brought the cocaine for Paulus. You know those cops confiscate a lot of drugs so it’s really easy to get without bothering the dealers. Cocaine is often used to make a passed out person alert for a little while in order that they might be able to wake up and get the heck out of the VDS’s realm of responsibility. Maybe when Natalee was still asleep in the little brother’s bed the next morning, ole Jan brought something to wake her up so she could be dropped off and go on her merry way. Didn’t happen, and the cocaine killed her?

      Jan might know she is dead because he was directly involved in it, but he is not required to rat on himself, so that could be why no one is pushing the issue of his saying he saw the evidence she’s dead and not doing anything more about it. To take it further, he’d have to tell on himself, and that’s not required by law no matter what!

      If the above involvment of Jan were true, do I think the Kalpes know? No. I think the Kalpoes were told all would be well because Jan the Man (as Joran would probably call him) was going to take care of everything. I think the Kalpoes at the time trusted that, but as the case is still not officially closed after 2 years, the Kalpoes are becoming antsy about being framed by Jan and the VDS’s for the entire thing.

      If they K’s really want this to end the best way it can for them, they will let the Dr Phil case go forward. They might be implicit in many things, but bad choices do not make a good excuse to keep making more bad choices. Getting out with the least possible damage does.

      Patti speaks of the Kalpes being repentant. They are not repentant for what they did. They might be, however, ready to move on and take responsibililty for their part as the only way to move on. So Joran…watch out! The Kalpoes might grow a set of gonads and Manup!

    108. disgustedmom on September 15th, 2007 11:24 am

      #105

      That pic of the air shaft certainly seems to be a strong possibililty!

      I wish I still had a way to contact that psychic lady who said Natalee was with other girls not buried but lying on top of each other more or less. She had posted about it just prior to the Crypts being broken into, so at that time I thought lying on top of one another unburied might have meant the Crypts. The psychic did say though that she/they were underground, but I just poofed that off since psychics don’t get all the details right anyway and still thought the crypts anyway….BUT, an old air shaft might do the trick!

      I’m sure there are more pits on that island. I’m trying to recall what else the psychic said about that in particular….she did mention rocks, but I think she also said there was some sparse rough grasses around the place, and she did mention wetness that comes and goes and something about the layers in between the girls not being dirt, but more like just a bunch of random debris with some soil mixed in. She said the soil was not sand, I do remember that clearly.

      If anyone on Aruba were serious about finding Natalee they should drop some cameras into all the pits on the island including old wells.

    109. Vicki on September 15th, 2007 12:07 pm

      DM#107 and 108- Good job…WOW!!! I recall something around then didnt she also say there was a tree shading her sometimes?? Im not sure. I cant believe Patti said all of those things…what numer was it so I can read back…Sounds like Patti just might be a TROLL…

    110. brie on September 15th, 2007 12:58 pm

      If the Kalpoes wanted to express moral courage they could have done that along time ago. I’d like to hear the rest of Deepak’s story as he said Natalee hit her head and something bad happened. Just what? We only get partial statements and then left with no final conclusion. Joran does the same thing.

      Well, I hope the case moves forward. Those documents are going to be hard to sift through because of all the alterations done by Paulus. But it would be interesting to see what they have to say.

    111. JusticeforNatalee on September 15th, 2007 2:01 pm

      Please do not use the word “Kalpoes” and “courage” in the same sentence. If they stay in the lawsuit, it is out of greed. They want their 800 million bucks. What a joke.

      I hope they continue the lawsuit. And yes, some important info
      may come from it.

      But the motivation is GREED on the part of the Kalpoes.

    112. Mike on September 15th, 2007 2:02 pm

      The only honorable thing I would like to see the perps do is to fall on their swords, figuratively and literally. I doubt that I will see either one.

    113. JusticeforNatalee on September 15th, 2007 2:04 pm

      More ways to help:
      http://therealarubatruth.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-you-can-help.html

      And everyone, please remember the upcoming NJ (Atlantic City) event at the end of October. Please stand up for Natalee; she needs you!

    114. Kat_Gram on September 15th, 2007 3:02 pm

      Hey… this is a good thing.. is there a deadline for the submission ? Or does it just fiz-zizzle when the documents asked for are not provided ?
      Hello to all .. and Carpe too !! :)

    115. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 3:25 pm

      I don’t think 101 could have

      said it more like that stinking

      pile Nadira Ramirez, if it had

      been “Mrs. Kalpoe” HERSELF!!!

      Only, I have a feeling that idiot would have

      needed more help with her spelling.

      (half smiles – dribbles down chin)

      Justice for Nat!
      BOYCOTT ARUBA

    116. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 3:41 pm

      Nurterer,

      You got that right with 103. They all admit

      to being with her in her final hours.

      Where is

      she?

      We are not all dreaming this. It is not some

      freaky drug trip administered by Gerold Dompig’s

      brother, Boeti.

      ARUBA allows their government to behave like a

      freak show. They think what happened to her is

      okay, or in some way was her fault.

      WHERE’S NATALEE?
      WHERE’S NATALEE?
      WHERE’S NATALEE?

      It is not okay.

      It was not her fault!

      Jan Vanderstraaten, Paulus, Joran, Deepak, and Satish have those answers, still! People need
      to continue asking these scum those questions,
      over and over, day after day.

      They know, period.

      -j4n

    117. mayan_moons on September 15th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Patti said: The Holloways have moved away from
      May 30th, 2005

      OH REALLY Patti…..have they now and do tell us how you know this.

    118. Maggie on September 15th, 2007 4:31 pm

      “Stole” this from the forum. The comments on the site, looks like it’s talking about corruption. BTW Klaas, I love the JibJab stuff.. LOL, that is so funny.. I love that site.

      Reaccion encuanto keho contra Trudy Hassel
      Friday, 14 September 2007

      Den un matutino local a sali un articulo dia 12 di september 2007 relaciona cu un keho cu a ser entrega contra Comisario di Polis ( relaciona cu amenaza)Sra. Trudy Hassel y di un caso di un agente policial cu lo a saca un menor na estado. Cuerpo Policial ta reacciona riba e noticia aki. Click read more pa mas informacion.

      Den e articulo menciona ta ser insinua cu Cuerpo Policial no a tuma e medidanan necesario pa salvaguarda e integridad di e cuerpo. Relaciona cu tur dos caso Alto Comisario a laga hasi e investigacionnan necesario. Den e caso di e Comisario, e investigacion ta andando ainda. Tur esnan concerni ta na haltura di con esaki ta canando correctamente.

      Den e caso di e agente policial cu a tene relacion cu e menor di edad, ta asina cu investigacion a wordo hasi den e caso aki y no a constata ningun hecho castigabel. Pa splica esaki mihor, den un caso asina Ley ta exigi cu pa polis por persigui un persona pa tene relacion cu un hoben di 13 of 14 anja, e mayor of Voogd mester entrega un keho oficial na Jeugd & Zeden Politie. Solamente den e caso di un hoben di 12 anja of menos e keho ey no ta necesario y polis por persiguie sin ordo di e mayornan.

      Den e caso aki e mayor/representante legal di e hoben no a entrega keho ya cu e tabata di acuerdo cu e relacion entre su yiu y e agente policial. E matrimonio a ser contrae y awendia nan dos ta casa pa ley y ta forma un famia.

      Cuerpo Policial ta spera cu mediante di e comunicado aki por a clarifica e asunto aki di manera satisfactorio pa tur esanan envolvi y asina yuda demostra un biaha mas e seriedad di nos Cuerpo y e transparencia den cual esaki ta funciona.

      God, these people are sick. Cop getting a 12 year old girl pregnant. Even has a lawyer to defend him. Where are the parents of these little girls and what kind of “Man” sleeps with 12 and 13 year old girls?

      This is a rough short translation by Sandy Leiva .

      This case is about a complaint for dismissal against a fellow officer who. got a 12 yr old pregnant. The police commisioner wants the officer fired. The officers lawyers say if he marrys the girl there is nothing the commissoner can do to you. They are not yet married as the girl is too young to give consent legally and would need her parents.
      permission. case still pending

      http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2208/8/

    119. mayan_moons on September 15th, 2007 4:35 pm

      (half smiles – dribbles down chin)

      lmao & (wipes Carpe’s chin)

    120. mayan_moons on September 15th, 2007 4:48 pm

      Hey Maggie!

      Even with everything we do know about Skull Island, in our gut we know that we’ve only scratched the surface of the evil & debauchery thats there.

      (the other day you said you were grateful for all that come here and we are grateful to have you too.)

    121. The Aruban Can’t Can’t … The Suspects have Been Dancing Around the Truth in Natalee Holloway Disappearance. | Scared Monkeys on September 15th, 2007 5:00 pm

      [...] stories and have contradicted themselves more times than most can keep track of. Even the Kalpoes after suing Dr Phil in the US are doing a Texas Two Step in wanting to give up the info in the Natalee Holloway [...]

    122. dennisintn on September 15th, 2007 5:11 pm

      #ll8, why is it that aruba lawyers and politicians think you should not be punished for crimes in the past? what the officer does now has nothing redeeming at all for what he did a month ago. who would want a police officer on their force who thinks having sex with a l2 yr. old is permissible? the officer should be in jail for pedophilia, not having his lawyers negotiating for his job. i’m beginning to feel a little better about this police commissioner. there may be hope yet.
      dennisintn

    123. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 6:08 pm

      hiya kat gram. :)

      Natalee and family pic

      http://tinyurl.com/yqbw2m

    124. Maggie on September 15th, 2007 6:17 pm

      ty Mayan. I never knew Natalee in real life. I’m sure she was every bit as wonderful as her family and friends say and more. I feel like I do know her now. I know I will never forget her and the horrible injustice she and her family has fought for years. Noone deserves the fate handed any of them. They did their homework and saw one big happy safe island and thought there would be policemen and others in place to protect her. Natalee had a false sense of security with her friends around.

      Since then we have learned about a very dark side that exists in Aruba. Instead of some people in high jobs standing up and demanding answers to what happened, they chose the low road, defending any kind of sick, twisted behaviour and trying to justify it by trashing innocent victims. Money and Tourism is more important than a young girl’s life. That should speak volumes to any tourist.

      Joran and the Kalpoes trashes Natalee just like they say OJ does Nicole in his new book. Like they said anything good about Nicole was because of him and anything bad is her fault, is how he sees it. He’s the saviour. Nooneee in their right mind would believe an 18 year old girl who’s is NOT drunk or not impairedm as he saysm would say I want to stay on the beach alone in the dark and look at stars, not even in their own hometown. By him saying that another way to imply she was crazy.

      MD dad I too believe Paulus and Joran are in this up to their necks. I don’t believe that Deepak and Satish went home and took showers and ate, then went to Joran’s house to wait on him, and drive him to CnC to wait around on him, then Deepak is out ahead of time with the car waiting while Joran takes her off to a side bar on the way out for a nice shot of rum151 and out the door to the car. Natalee says I’m riding back to the hotel with the other group of MB students and then ends up with those 3 driving away. Deepak and Satish are driving Joran around and stopping here and there, then let him out at the beach and Satish goes to bed and Deepak goes to the PC and says don’t worry Joran we will get out of bed or stop what we are doing , just to pick you up and drive you home and Natalee to her hotel. Nor do I believe Joran walked home. I don’t even believe they were ever at the beach, unless it was to get rid of her body. Joran has been trying to throw them under the bus for a long time, but the Kalpoes have been trying to throw them under the bus also. Then they go out before daylight cleaning their car twice in one night? Others in this group could’ve been in Carlos N Charlies that night also. The MB students wouldn’t know them or recognize them. I’ve felt for a long time Natalee was drugged on her way out and had to be taken to the car fast before it took effect.

    125. mayan_moons on September 15th, 2007 7:15 pm

      I didn’t know Natalee in life either but i have lived in alot of the places Natalee & the family has lived in, including living in Clinton, Ms several years as a preteen like Natalee.

      Natalee did everything any parent and society as a whole wants for it’s young people, to study hard and stay out of trouble. What happened to her in Aruba is a travesty & i believe her spirit does cry out for justice. Not just for her but all other’s who travel there.

    126. Richard on September 15th, 2007 8:27 pm

      Regarding the main point here … the impact of the California judge’s decision … I agree with those who point out that the U.S. has no way of enforcing its laws on Aruba. It can forward things to the Aruban government; any action thereafter is in that government’s balliwick.

      I think that Aruba should realize that it has a golden chance to reverse its obstructionist policies of the past two years and more. But if we believe, as many (if not most) of us do, that a conspiracy of AT LEAST some key players has been in place to protect certain persons …

      … if so, what power would the ruling of a California judge have to reverse this conspiracy?

      Yes, as I said above, Aruba COULD decide that this is the time to show that it wants to clear up the case. But there has been absolutely no sign of such a desire over the last two years.

      Rather, all the signs are that it is determined not to let justice take its course.

      So my guess is … whoever is committed to this course will decide to continue it. Obviously, I hope to God that I’m wrong. But hoping doesn’t change anything.

      And if Aruba continues its obstructionist course, we can only wonder why. My guess, as I’ve been saying all along, is that something darker than one girl’s fate is involved, and certainly something bigger than three punk kids and one failed wannabe judge is involved.

      But you already know my views….

      Remember Amy Bradley.

    127. Richard on September 15th, 2007 8:31 pm

      And remember the crap that was dished out about Natalee asking Joran if the Kalpoes were his slaves. In my view, this and the similar statements are part of a campaign to make them hate Natalee and accordingly justify whatever was done to her.

      The venom with which Deepak Kalpoe talked about her (“she was a slut and dressed like a slut,” or words to that effect) obviously reflects a rage.

      What lies behind that rage?

      A failed sexual encounter?

      Realization of his own servitude within the “Pimps”?

      Or, perhaps, the need to deny within his own mind the torment that Natalee was subjected to (and perhaps is still subjected to) with his complicity? The need to put her in a category that would allow him to dismiss from his mind what happened (“Well, she deserved it…”)?

      Let’s hope we find out.

    128. Richard on September 15th, 2007 8:33 pm

      Perhaps the ruling of the California court might have some impact on Aruba if our own government had been willing to take some action, take a stance, or even just speak up for Natalee.

      Hasn’t happened yet….

    129. brie on September 15th, 2007 10:36 pm

      Here’s hoping that we will see some justice, which is long overdue, Natalee deserved nothing of what happened to her! Paulus and Straaten are the unethical and allowed this crime to be unpunished!!!!

    130. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 2:17 am

      Yeah…..2 year old corpse’s DO NOT have hair mmkay.

      I’m still laughing at *hand fetish*!~ hahaha

    131. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 2:26 am

      I think the rocks area is/was a body dumping site. Early in the rock video still frames i see intact bodie’s and in the later video’s can see that the bodie’s are being dismembered…head first. This would fit to me in that when Jurine led them to “the body” the cop’s saw all the carnage at the scene & made a decision to dismember the body(s) there as it was already a bloodbath that had taken place there. This theory gives a reason the visability goon’s a very good reason to be painting the ground white where pool’s of blood seeped out.

    132. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 2:41 am

      yikes excuse my mistakes maaaaaan its late

    133. Patti on September 16th, 2007 10:35 am

      Mayan:

      I’m laughing, too. If the bodies were dimembered, then why is the body in the bag intact? I’ve viewed the video and don’t see any body parts or dismembering.

      Gee… I wonder if that hand that was found in Venezuela may somehow be connected? Ofcourse, we may never know, Venezuela has never done ANYTHING to stop human trafficking. Why would they be worried about a little hand found on its’ shores? It’s a monkey hand?!?!?!

      You think dismembering is the reason for the blood on the ground seeping out? Since when do dead bodies seep that much blood? Sure, if yu had a bunch of bodies, you might be able to come up with that much in body fluids, but I only see one body and it’s not dismembered and the blood is already there.

      It’s funny how people will do anything to keep their first theories alive. Instead of accepting what they see and reanalyzing their theories.

      Natalee didn’t die on that first night. Not of an over-dose or anything else. You can freeze a body, but that wouldn’t account for the blood that was on the rocks and the ground. If a person is dead, whether thawed or frozen, they don’t bleed out like that; there’s no heart pumping the blood to make it seep out.

      I’ll admit, it sounds crazy. But, then again, we’ve had our share of psychopaths that have had their fetishes, haven’t we? Daummer with his skulls would be one prime example. Who’s to say that there is NOT a psychopath in Aruba or Venezuela that kills women and cuts off their hands as a souvenier?

      The problem with many people is that the theory of Natalee being sold would bring in the possibility that there may be another suspect, or may free the current suspects of the responsibility of Nat’s death. It’s easier to ignore the evidence on the Video and stick with contorting the current evidence into the crime.

      There are plenty of people on Aruba and I’m sure there’s more than one psychopath. Certainly, Lorenzo is more violent and more likely to have committed this crime, than his half brother, Joran. That is, but, only ONE possibility.

      I don’t come here and laugh and poke fun at your theory and, if nothing else, my theory should be viewed as one that is a fresh theory; one not jaded by a preconceived notion of the current suspects. I’m open minded. I don’t think that I know everything and I’m optomistic about finding a solution to this crime.

    134. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 10:43 am

      #124, Maggie

      You mentioned Deepak cleaing out his car TWICE in the same night. Thanks for saying that! I hadn’t put it together that they did that twice in the same night! I had somehow remembered it to be different nights, but if they did it in the same night then I’m pretty sure the first report of cleaing out the car was a lie! Here’s why….and stay with me here…it’s hard to write a rational explanation about sick twisted minds….

      Because guilty people tell half truths to cover for certain actions, such that Deepak cleaning his car around 3AM-the one reported by his neighbors- was probably the only time he cleaned it… and his saying he cleaned it before he went out was because he KNEW he’d cleaned up a crime scene or evidence of a crime that night and needed to own ‘cleaning his car’ in case anyone saw him doing it. They own up to the act, out of its real context if you know what I mean….and that is so if anyone did see them cleaning the car the Kalpoes could say, “Yeah, so what? We told you we cleaned it. Why would we say that if we had anything to hide?” And if the times contradict what the witness said the time was, the Kalpoes would say, “The witness got the time wrong” leaving it one word agaisnt the other rendering the issue of cleaning the car less significant than it would have been if Deepak had NOT said anything about cleaning the car…in which case, if he had said nothing about cleaning it and a neighbor reported it fresh and new to the cops, he would have looked like he was up to no good and the cleaning would, pfft -SHOULD- have given the act a more sinister overtone.

      It’s the same as Deepak saying Natalee hit her head ‘when they dropped her off at the HI’. OH, she had a head injury alright! But it didn’t happen at the HI.

      And it’s the same theory as abducting Natalee in plain view, and it goes like this…. How could they be up to anything when they did it out in the open? And of course, her DNA would be found in their car! What’s so odd about that when everyone saw her in it? And they claimed sexual things happened in the car, so if any fluids were found, it’s covered in advance.

      I’d like to have a list of all the things J2K and other assorted accomplices said ‘in advance’. In those there might a true picture unfold as they would show the particulars they wanted to cover up.

      Such as, Deepak says he and Satish went to Taco Bell before going to get Joran at his house. He might have gone to Taco Bell, but was it really at the time he said he went? Why didn’t the investigators ask him what he ordered? They could have then checked the records at TB and probably found out they did not have an order to match at that time.

      Also, Joran didn’t have to say WHAT he and Natalee did (allegedly) consenually. He did so because if she were found there would be evidence of what he said happened. And the only reason for making that cover in advance was because he knew it was not consenual! If it had been consensual, there would not have been a need to give explicit details because if Natalee were found she would not be complaining!

      These jerks only talk about what they fear will get them in trouble! So they tell it in advance with a ‘viable’ excuse just in case.

      I like the one where Joran says to Deepak – why are they here? It was your car- or something to that effect. That has to mean they know someone saw the CAR somewhere suspicious and did not see people. I’ve wondered about that, and all I can get from it is that the car might have been taken in for repairs. And I don’t get that it was a dent in it, but rather perhaps the tailpipes or something having been dragged off from being on an unpaved road that night. Because that’s another thing Deepak likes to say about that night – his car is too low to go on rough terrain….which means it was in his mind strongly about his car and rough terrain that night. At some point I believe he was either asked to go off road in his car, or he did go off road in it.

    135. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 11:48 am

      OK, Patti…you want to go on this hand fetish thing?

      I do believe Natalee had injury to her wrists, or at least to one of them. But it was NOT from a hand fetish, but rather from being tied up with something that caused injury, or maybe she cut herself trying to cut her binds.

      So you say you’re psychic…OK….I’ve researched that field because I find it quite fascinating. In so doing, I have found that more often than not psychics will get images that need interpretation by investigators that KNOW facts about the case. They don’t get clarity! Is it possible then, that you might be interpreting the hand fetish when all you really ‘know/saw/vision’ is that she had injury to her wrist?

      Or, are you just trying to upset people with something grotesque?….as if J2K being in the presence of a wonderful girl like Natalee to start with is not grotesque enough!

      My guess is the latter.

    136. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 11:54 am

      Vicki, in answer to your question where Patti said the things I mentioned….I’m sorry, but they are all over the place in different threads. I have dialup, 26,000bps. If I had to load the different pages right now and find them all, I’d be here all day! LOL But most of her stuff is in the most recent threads. Sorry I can’t help more. :( In the future I’ll make sure to put links or references in!

    137. Patti on September 16th, 2007 12:19 pm

      Disgusted Mom:

      Do I want to go on this hand fetish thing?

      What kind of question is that?

      No. Not with you.

      I have a question for you, though:

      Don’t you think the family has already seen and reviewed the videos more than we have? They know what it shows and the grotesqueness speaks for itself. As much as you would like a scape goat for everything, you can’t blame that on me.

      What I said and the way I said it was neither grotesque nor disrespectful. Who do you think you are? The blogger police?

    138. Patti on September 16th, 2007 12:30 pm

      Oh, and just to let you know… you’re wrong about the reasons why I think Satish liked Natalee, for it is you that is way too imaginative and disgusting.

      He was with her and Joran at Carlos and Charlies and in the car. He thought she was cute, that’s all and you want to turn it into something nasty.

      Please note:

      All my comments go into a special bucket and nothing gets posted to any thread without being reviewed by Klaas. I also post to the Forum. Do you want those posts, as well?

      Sounds like you have a Patti fetish.

    139. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 1:31 pm

      So Patti, how do you know Satish thought Natalee was cute?

      And is that the same thing as Deepak’s version of Natalee = slut?

      PS. Is English your first language? You have an odd way of interpreting English words, like foreigners normally do.

    140. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 1:37 pm

      #137, Patti again….blogger police? WTF? I’m not moderator here. I speak my own feelings about things. How could you possibly imagine my feelings that what you illustrated by ‘hand fetish’ was in any way ‘blog policing’. Once again, I ask you if English is your first language? I’m not trying to be insulting…just need to know so I know how literally to take your choice of words and phrasings.

    141. Klaasend on September 16th, 2007 1:43 pm

      Please stop attacking eachother. Everyone has a right to their own opinion as long as attacking the family of Natalee Holloway isn’t one of them.

    142. benh on September 16th, 2007 2:23 pm

      I belive the rocks is where they took Natalee,and killeded her.just curious of all the people who have viewed the videos how many see dismemberment,thats a lot to do in a short time.

    143. Patti on September 16th, 2007 2:51 pm

      Gee…. what is a phrasing?

      You’d better tell Vicki, she best not steal any
      of my comments…lol.

      .

      Benh:

      I take it you found the video. Did you see the body in the bag that was filtered by Sleuth? That just about takes your breath away.

      Natalee was so pretty.

      She took down most of them leaving us only one to look at. Did you see the body in the bushes on that thread? Some people don’t see it. I think alot of it depends on your computer.

      Do you see dismemberment in the video?

    144. Patti on September 16th, 2007 3:29 pm

      I have a genious in literary arts interpreting my words and phrasings.

      Oh My God!!!

      Disgusted:

      You’re writing seems rather irratic. Are you sure you’re not of multiple personalities?

      Thing is… I could be an alien as far as you are concerned because, quite frankly, it is none of your business where I come from.

      Did you see the comment made by JQK. He said that it would be nice if the Kalpoes would supply the discovery. He say’s nice, I say courageous.

      I know if they were my sons, God forbid, they would be turning over documents. Ofcourse, if they were my son’s, they would have played their hands already ie. confessed, if they were guilty; or helped the Holloways if they weren’t.

      Benh:

      Did you see the body in the bag? That takes my breath away.

    145. Carpe Noctem on September 16th, 2007 7:48 pm

      I have adjusted my theory a little lately…

      It is a mix to where I was over a year ago.

      They assaulted her while she was in
      and out of conciousness.

      She woke up
      and probably
      fought them…

      She tried to run, or simply exited the vehicle
      or Joran’s apartment in an attempt to get away … but they had her looped out of her gourd with CARLOS AND CHARLIE’S GO JUICE.

      She could not control and maneuver her body
      like she normally could, and this was most
      likely frustrating to her.

      imo

      They gave chase realizing that she was angry,
      AND ABSOLUTELY GOING TO REPORT WHAT THEY WERE
      TRYING TO DO TO HER TO THE POLICE. That is what
      law abiding citizens do in any country with a JUSTICE SYSTEM. Aruba, please make a note of it,
      this is a recording.

      Normal law abiding people are taught to do that after they have been violated and assaulted…

      They go and see cops and ask for HELP, yeah

      I know, what an effing concept… but it works,

      trust me on this!

      One of the three, and I think it was Satish,
      hit her with the DEEPAK KALPOE PIMP MOBILE.

      Now, when I say hit, I mean *TOUCHED*, she did not
      get hit with enough force to damage the exterior
      of the vehicle…

      It was enough to knock a frantic, petite,
      drugged clumsy,terrified little girl to the ground and slam her head on rock or asphalt.

      Did they hit her on purpose or accident? Who knows…

      Probably they were HYSTERICAL about the prospect
      of having their balls nailed to the floor boards
      for date-rape on a tourist girl on her last night
      on the island.

      They freaked!

      They had her body in the car
      bleeding in the back seat of the car, at the Racquet Club parking lot. Joran was now taking a lead role already.

      This is demonstrated by him seen behind the wheel of Deepak’s car by the Gardener at 2:30 am.

      Joran is now in the driver’s seat. He and the boys discussed the game plan, and brought in that piece of filth of a father of Joran’s via a phone
      call!

      Satish is already at home at this point. He said
      he went straight to sleep,
      but he is a laying POS.

      Deepak and Satish’s idea of courage can be found
      in the very bottom of a Carlos and Charlie’s YARD
      CUP, Patti. These pussies are all BEER MUSCLES,
      the only COURAGE they’ve ever smelled was
      walking next by a brave man who happen
      to let one slip out bending down to
      pick up the morning paper.

      I reiterate, the Kalpoes are mouse poops!

      They are nothing to be proud of, not by any
      country’s standards.

      I think Satish was playing the role of Deepak from home forthe rest of the night. All the time his scumbag of a brother was out that night with Joran helping clean up the crimes committed on Natalee.

      They refused to take her to the hospital
      because of what would be taken from her
      system and used as evidence against them.

      A.L.E. VAN TAPES SPEAK VOLUMES:

      WHEN THEY SEE THE GIRL
      THEY WILL SEE THAT SHIT.

      YOU’LL GET 15 YEARS,
      COLLEGE IN USA, BYE BYE!!!!

      (Joran killed her)

      THAT IS THE PRICE YOU LET MY FATHER PAY,
      THAT YOU SUFFER.

      (this is why the Kalpoes have been so silent,
      for so long – they’ve already been paid to
      STFU, by PVDS)

      When it became obvious to all that
      she would not be coming back around
      back at the ‘VANDERSLOOT HOSPITAL
      OF HORRORS EMERGENCY ROOM’

      (Jorans room lying on his old mattress)

      Doctor Paulus & Mr. Frankenstein took her somewhere and whipped out a revolver and plugged a bullet dead center of Nat’s forehead. Paulus
      finished the job. He wanted to make sure she
      was dead, and in a way, he wanted to clear
      his son. So this was his little part! In his
      sick brain, to him, that means Joran is not
      guilty of anything.

      This is why he would do any anything for that
      lous disease-cicle of a son of his.

      You see, in the sick maggott infested,
      Rum drenched, brains of Aruba’s
      Ruling Class…

      They don’t think what happened to Natalee
      was wrong…up until the point where she
      was murdered, of course.

      Actually… to a Aruban,
      even that was her fault,
      she was asking for it, the girl was
      acting crazy, and probably just ran out
      in front of the car. “Yes, that is the
      ticket.” -Tommy Flannigan

      I see the gunshot, the cranial injury and bullet exit wound in ARUBAY 24. I have bored you
      all to death with hundreds of the images! LOL

      I have made many YOU TUBE videos, and pumped
      them high and low, all over the web for all
      to see.

      Paulus, Joran, Deepak, and Satish… I see
      your handiwork.

      It took 13 years to nail OJ’s thug a$$…

      Armed Robbery.

      Hey so be it, right?

      A thug. is a

      thug is a THUG.

      It may take that, more or less to pop each

      one of you HATEFUL sonsabishes…

      …but it will happen.

      …and J-BO, guess WHAT… ?

      WHEN THEY DO… I frigginnnn’ LAFF, bro bro!

      :lol:

      http://tinyurl.com/2myn68

      http://tinyurl.com/2taXs9

      -j4n JUSTICE 4 NAT

    146. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

      I’ll be laughing with you too Carpe!

      Someone please correct me if i’m wrong but wasn’t there blood found on the interior roof and various other places….not just on the backseat or trunk? If there is blood on the interior roof of Deepox beautiful car that could only be spattered blood which only comes from Natalee being struck with a fist or something else.

      It’s the blood on the roof of the car that makes me believe there was no overdose or coma or a head injury she may have gotton trying to run away.

    147. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 9:01 pm

      I’m with you Carpe, on getting back to basics per your #145 post.

      I, too, believe it’s quite simple.

      Natalee was trying to fight off Joran and however many friends were involved in raping her after the drugs started wearing off. Joran beat her up, maybe kicked her too and she fell unconscious from trauma. After she was originally tied up and hidden, and Paulus informed, she was taken back to the VDS ‘hospital’ until they figured out what to do with a headstrong girl who was determined to tell the cops. She dies. Just to make sure she’s really dead, because they are in a hurry, they shoot her right between the eyes and dispose of her.

      She’s not in the ocean where there’s the slightest chance she’d wash up. She is buried or thrown down a deep hole on Aruba and some cops know it and they don’t give a shit!

      The evidence was there, it was found, but it was irrelevant because the cops don’t give a shit.

      No perfect crime. No perfect coverup. This is purely and simply a case of not giving a shit.

      And they don’t care how long people talk about this mess because, that’s right…they DGAS!

    148. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 9:55 pm

      Patti,

      I don’t think i said i can see the body(s) BEING dismembered, what i said or meant to is that that early rock video has intact body(s) & in later video it appears that dismembering has occurred since there are 3 severed head’s underfoot of one of the *rock painter’s* And in atleast one of the frames i see 1 headless body hence my theory of dismemberment happening there.

      Second……it is true that if you cut into a person that is dead blood will not flow or even seep out of the body as there is no heart pumping to force the blood from the wound. BUT blood could be in the lungs from a knife or gun and in other organs not to mention gravity pulls whatever blood is in the body to the lowest part of the body. The blood is still in the body at that lowest point is just sitting there going nowhere but once the body is being moved whatever blood that is left in the body has that oppertunity to flow out.

    149. Maggie on September 16th, 2007 9:56 pm

      I don’t remember Satish saying he thought Natalee was cute, but I remember Deepak’s June 9th statement of..

      After the song was over, the girl walked over to Joran. The girl was a bit unsteady on her feet when walking up to Joran. I noticed that she was a pretty girl. I saw that Joran and the girl were talking

    150. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 10:07 pm

      The proper term for the pooling of the blood is called levitity and without the heart to pump whatever blood is left inside the body out you bet there is still plenty of blood available to seep out as you put it.

      Maybe i wasn’t as clear as i thought i was but what i’m saying is that once ALE & whoever saw the carnage they may have made the decision to take the body(s) apart there rather than risk doing it somewhere else.

      Imo i don’t think the body(s) in the bag is intact. And you speak of the body in the bushes,
      well i am the one who pointed that out to carpe & he added it to his album. The blood on the pipe near those bushed & basin could lend credence that more dismembering had to be done to make the contents of the bag fit into the basin.

    151. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 10:18 pm

      Another thing Patti……i didn’t laugh at your theory or direct that post to you. It just sounded funny.

      What i did do was ask you how you speak for the Holloway’s that they have “let go of May 30th, 2007″ and still waiting for your response.

    152. mayan_moons on September 16th, 2007 10:23 pm

      One more thing that i want made crystal clear is i don’t care if alien’s came down or the boogeyman or any of the many psychopath’s that dwell on Aruba did the final killing of Natalee.

      Coz even IF they did, it doesn’t absolve the 3 men who got the whole thing started by drugging & kidnapping her.

    153. benh on September 16th, 2007 10:26 pm

      Patti you seem to have a personality problem,you dont have one.

    154. Patti on September 17th, 2007 12:46 am

      Benh:

      That’s funny!!!!

      No body really has a personality
      on a blogger, do they?

      But, I will tell you that my kids
      think I’m strict and controling.

      Maggie:

      Who wouldn’t love Natalee? She was so beautiful, full of social grace, but humble. She was a caring, loving person. Young and full of life with a bright, successful future ahead of her… She had everything to live for and it makes no sense that anyone would do this to her.

      .

      Carpe and Mayan:

      I haven’t got a theory. I don’t know what happened. That’s why it’s so important for us to get those documents that the judge is ordering. None of us know who did what, how many people were involved, how long they kept her or even who kept her. But, we do know that there was a cover up and for that Aruba should have to pay for the rest of it’s natural life.

      It’s so difficult to see through all the smoke screens. To go to Aruba to try to find your daughter, who is referred to as a tramp by the people who are there to assist you. To be told that your daughter is in love, ran off or at some crack house when you know that she’s not like that. To have to be the one that keeps the police working; begging for them to investigate. To do all the things that this family did to find their daughter only to find that you were lied to every step of the way… To be told she’s dead, when she was alive and then she’s alive when she was dead. The trickery, debaucheree and cover-up that this fine, Christian family had to go through is a disgrace to everything moral and decent.

      There was no over-dose. There never was an over-dose. And, yet, even today they are still saying there was; driving the reputation of a fine up-standing young lady and diligent student into the ground. This is more than just a crime against Natalee. This is an evil, sinister attack against our principles and values. ALL of our values. You don’t treat people like that, especially if you are a news person, public official or Government official. AND… I agree. None of them give a shit!

      But, Natalee did, and she does, and she always will. She is precious and always will be, no matter where she is.

      I find it so rewarding to know that there are so many people who care about her. It’s like there are people that are drawn to her. I know that if I were Beth, I would be touched by all the people that care about my daughter; it’s extremely rare that a victim get so much attention. But, I think that Beth was a wonderful Mom and Dave an outstanding Father that helped make it happen in the way that they never gave up on their Natalee; together, they just kept on diggin’. And, now, She is a precious gem that all of us will seek to find.

    155. Patti on September 17th, 2007 1:11 am

      #151 – Mayan:

      Did I say THAT?!?!?!?

      No… just kidding.

      What I meant is that they have put the hate behind them. They have moved on in the sense that they have put it in the Lord’s hands. They probably have to rely on God to get through their busy lives. Dave has come here a few times and talked about that very thing. I think that some of us still harbor some of those hateful feelings, probably, partly because they are just learning the truth about Aruba and the injustice that has been dealt to this family… perhaps like the mourning process. I didn’t mean anything bad by it. In retro-spect, maybe I shouldn’t have said it. But, that’s what I meant.

      Benh:

      You may not be that fond of me, but you have the funniest habit of changing your name, right in the middle of a heated discussion. It’s cute and I have grown fond of that little peek-a-boo that you do with the greatest of timing. It lightens the moment and makes me laugh. I don’t know about anyone else?!?! but I appreciate it.

    156. Patti on September 17th, 2007 1:53 am

      Mayan:

      As you can tell, I went to church tonight.

      One more point:

      The issues that are at the forefront are mostly legal issues. We are 2 + years gone, Aruba was on the verge of closing the case. The Netherlands are doing their investigation and if nothing is found, it’s over. So in a sense, the family has had to move forward with their lives. I’m sure they haven’t stopped missing their daughter. If that’s what you thought I meant. Unfortunately, they will never get to that point.

      I REALLY want the Kalpoes to provide the family with anything that they need to go after the people responsible for this crime; and I mean EVERY segment of it!

      It’s really late.

      Nite…

    157. disgustedmom on September 17th, 2007 9:06 am

      #154

      “Who wouldn’t love Natalee? She was so beautiful, full of social grace, but humble. She was a caring, loving person. Young and full of life with a bright, successful future ahead of her… She had everything to live for and it makes no sense that anyone would do this to her.” -quote of Patti.

      It makes sense to a sociopath/rapist like Joran. Natalee was a perfect target!

      But we should add about Natalee that she was also fiesty! She took GVC on for humpin’ her at the bar. Add that to the equation and what do you have; a challenge. And a rapist is not interested in consensual because they get off on ‘conquest’.

      For that matter, Natalee’s first posse -her male classmates who came to her rescue from GVC- also presented a challenge for Joran. He got to take her and win against other guys.

      When the second posse – the family- showed up, Joran then felt like he had conquered an army!

      And the more anyone fights against him, the more powerful he feels in all his smugness.

      And the more people he can fool into joining his side in ‘innocent until proven guilty’, the more people he knows he has conquered. Yes, those who take up for him are also conquered in his mind.

      His parents he conquered long ago. When they take up for him and the cops cover the crime, Joran knows he has conquered the cops too, as well as still has his parents under his control.

      What about the Kalpoes? Does he have them under his control? Or are they just like Joran? (my opinion is they are just like Joran)

    158. Richard on September 17th, 2007 9:45 am

      Whatever our theories on what did or didn’t happen, let’s please remember that we all want answers … and that we all want justice.

      Nothing else will suffice. But mutual respect is absolutely essential.

    159. Brenda on September 17th, 2007 11:04 am

      Patti, you sure waste alot of time typing your crazy and random thoughts. Please make them shorter so the majority of us have less to scroll past in order to get to the thoughtful posters who have kept up with the facts.

      Brenda

    160. Brenda on September 17th, 2007 11:15 am

      Dear Scared Monkeys,

      Is there a feature you provide that allows us to “ignore” specific posts in order to eliminate their useless and ignorant posts from out view?

      {{edit}}

      is this a current of forthcoming feature (please!)? I know it can be done in chat rooms, but I wasn’t sure about a forum such as this.

      Brenda
      ______________________
      SM: No, there is no such feature in the front page comment area – sorry (klaasend)

    161. Brenda on September 17th, 2007 11:17 am

      oops, “pontificating”.

      My spelling sucks today. Am working between 3 screens/computers today, so that’s what I get for doing this at work :>)

      Brenda

    162. benh on September 17th, 2007 12:13 pm

      159,Amen

    163. benh on September 17th, 2007 12:24 pm

      patti,benh here also another person on here some times Ben capital B we are two different people.

    164. Patti on September 17th, 2007 2:22 pm

      Brenda:

      Which facts? The real ones or

      the ones that were planted as

      part of the cover-up?

      You need to connect the dots

      for yourself and stop taking

      a person’s “word” on everything.

      .

      Benh:

      So… do you have an opinion about

      this subject, or what?

    165. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2007 8:04 pm

      Hey get a load of this sorry

      knapsack of elephant love

      nuggets!!! LOL

      http://tinyurl.com/ygpury

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac5xDFzckFI

      F JORAN

      BOYCOTT ARUBA

      Justice 4 Natalee.

    166. Brenda on September 18th, 2007 8:36 am

      Patti,

      I take no one’s word on anything…ever. I look at the facts and connect my own dots.

      I am soooo glad you are a mind reader. When you ascend to the right hand of God…I’ll listen to anything you have to say.

      Brenda

    167. Brenda on September 18th, 2007 8:38 am

      Dear Scared Monkeys…PLEASE have your wonderful web-masters or programmers afford us the option to “ignore”…well…ignorant posts/posters. They are excruciating!

    168. disgustedmom on September 18th, 2007 10:00 am

      #158…Mutual respect is absolutely essential?

      Sorry buddy…not in my world! I refuse to respect some poster’s posts. To quote SNL’s George Bush Sr, “Not gonna do it, wouldn’t be prudent.” LOL

      But seriously, not all opinions are in search of truth, hence they do not get the same weight as those that are in search of truth. And it’s pretty easy to figure out which ones are not in search of the truth about what happened to Natalee.

      Respect them? Why?

    169. disgustedmom on September 18th, 2007 10:26 am

      #154 Patti says…..”I haven’t got a theory. I don’t know what happened…(clipped)..There was no over-dose. There never was an over-dose.”

      Is that part about the overdose a theory or a statement of fact as you know it?

      Sometimes you sound like Joran talking out both sides of his a*&. I’m not saying you ARE Joran, so don’t get your socks in a knot…I’m just pointing that this is how he talks too, contradicting even his own self.

      So speaking of Joran, either his brain is fried from too much drug and alcohol use and he can’t remember what he said or did seconds after he says or does it, OR he is a Sociopathic Narcissist.

      Disclaimer: Last paragraph was not a reference to Patti!

    170. Brenda on September 18th, 2007 10:55 am

      Dear Disgustedmom.

      There are times I have disagreed with you totally. Not this time.

      As most posts in here I seek truth. It appears others (sadly) prefer to bend facts to fit what they wish the truth to be.

      Glad we can agree somewhere :>)

      Brenda

    171. dave on September 18th, 2007 4:11 pm

      Have’nt you people figured out patti is a efn TROLL!

      Please don’t feed this freak.

    172. mayan_moons on September 18th, 2007 4:47 pm

      You didn’t answer the question Patti. How is it that you speak for the Holloway’s and Beth?

    173. downloadingdaddy on September 19th, 2007 2:04 am

      I did some research on Patti because of the strange way she has been acting and this is what I discovered. There is a person named Patti D. she lives in the u.s. but rents timeshares in Aruba, also she has an online candy store and has the email address that begins with arubachick. This might be the Patti that posts here and after seeing her various internet sites I would say she has a vested interest in Aruba.

    174. Richard on September 19th, 2007 8:26 am

      I have my own ideas about what MAY have happened to Natalee, ideas which find acceptance with few people. But read the following story, and think that if this woman in West Virginia had not been discovered, probably she would have been killed or died of her injuries and the world would never have known what happened to her.

      (Warning: this story is extremely lurid and unpleasant to read.)

      I just think it’s unwise to be dogmatic and rule out anything. The one thing we CAN be sure of is that Natalee did not run away or vanish of her own accord. Nothing else is certain, though some ideas might be more likely than others.

      This tale from West Virginia, too, sounds beyond belief. So does the saga of Elizabeth Smart.

      But it seems that sometimes, what is impossible to believe is the truth. Situations can develop into things that never were intended.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070919/ap_on_re_us/woman_tortured;_ylt=AiWlmsHMDwh5iS8ka9Cck8Ss0NUE

      More details arise in W.Va. torture case By TOM BREEN and SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER, Associated Press Writers
      Wed Sep 19, 4:17 AM ET

      LOGAN, W.Va. – The list of horrors allegedly endured by a woman at the hands of six people in a remote trailer grew during the suspects’ court hearings — leaving the woman’s mother sobbing.

      Reading Tuesday from a statement 20-year-old Megan Williams gave deputies the day she was rescued from the ramshackle home, a sheriff’s deputy said she had been stabbed with what she described as a butcher knife and beaten with wooden sticks and fly swatters.

      She said she was sexually assaulted, doused with hot water, forced to eat animal feces, and taunted with racial slurs. Among the new allegations, she said hot wax was poured on her, and that two of her captors forced her to drink a cup of their urine.

      Carmen Williams, the victim’s mother, left the preliminary hearing of one of the defendants in tears Tuesday after listening to what her daughter allegedly experienced.

      Charges against most of the six suspects were upgraded Tuesday. All six, who are white, now face charges of kidnapping, which carries a maximum life sentence. Four of the defendants had faced lesser charges before Tuesday’s filings.

      Megan Williams’ statement said the defendants told her they didn’t like black people and that they were going to hang her, though no hate crime charges were filed.

      “They told me if I tried to get out they was going to hit me and stuff. I was scared of them,” Logan County Sheriff’s Deputy Jeffrey Robinette read from Williams’ statement.

      Some of Williams’ supporters have urged the state to file hate crime counts. Prosecutors have not ruled out such a move but have said they are focused on crimes with the toughest penalties and note that the maximum sentence for a hate crime is just 10 years.

      The Associated Press generally does not identify suspected victims of sexual assault, but Williams and her mother agreed to release her name. Carmen Williams said she wanted people to know what her daughter had endured.

      Megan Williams’ ordeal ended when an anonymous tip led police to the home Sept. 8. Deputies are still trying to determine how long Williams was held.

      Kidnapping and sexual assault charges, along with additional counts of battery, were filed against Karen Burton, 46; her daughter, Alisha Burton, 23; and George A. Messer, 27, all of Chapmanville. They also face additional counts of battery.

      Danny J. Combs, 20, of Harts, now faces a kidnapping charge that carries life in prison. He originally was charged with sexual assault and malicious wounding. Prosecutors added two more sexual assault charges, which each carry a maximum of 35 years in prison.

      Three counts of misdemeanor battery were added to the charges against Frankie Brewster, who owns the home where the suspected assault took place. She also is charged with kidnapping, first-degree sexual assault and giving false information to police. An unlawful malicious wounding charge was dropped.

      In a statement to deputies, Brewster detailed her role and implicated others, saying “I just want to come clean.” Brewster also is accused of forcing Williams to perform oral sex on her.

      A sixth defendant, Bobby Brewster, 24, who is the son of Frankie Brewster, is charged with kidnapping, sexual assault, malicious wounding and assault during the commission of a felony. Police have said he had a previous relationship with Williams.

      Williams said in her statement Tuesday that she was raped at knifepoint by Combs in the trailer’s bathroom, tied with a cable cord and choked by Karen Burton, doused with hot wax by Messer, and stabbed by Bobby Brewster.

      Sheriff’s Deputy Rick Goodman testified Tuesday that Brewster told deputies that the six defendants were afraid to let Williams go because she might tell on them. They also talked about killing her.

      Karen Burton, who was arraigned by video teleconference from jail, said, “Oh, hell no,” when informed of the sexual assault charge against her. The other defendants said only “yes, sir” and “no, sir” during their arraignments.

      In another courtroom Tuesday, Megan Williams answered outstanding warrants from three counties charging her with crimes involving worthless checks. She was released on $8,000 bond.

      Williams, who clutched a small teddy bear in court, was wearing a brace on her right hand and a bandage on her left ankle. She was accompanied by her parents, and her mother held her through portions of the proceeding. Williams’ mother also accompanied her during a brief period in a holding cell.

      Hearings on the charges will be held in each county. Williams’ father, Matthew, told Magistrate Ward Harshbarger, “She’ll be there.”

    175. Richard on September 19th, 2007 9:02 am

      Make no mistake … I don’t think this is what happened to Natalee. But I do think there is more behind her disappearance, and the ensuing cover-up, than a bid by one, two or three punk kids to hit up a tourist girl.

      My only point is, as I think I said above: had this West Virginia woman not been rescued, and had the six perpetrators not confessed … would anyone have thought that such horrors were behind her disappearance? Would anyone think that a mother and daughter would be part of this ‘team’?

      Of course not.

      The fact that such an atrocity did take place in West Virginia is no reason to believe that something similar took place in Aruba.

      But we simply can’t rule out anything at this point. Some scenarios are more likely than others, perhaps, but I don’t think that Natalee’s case is as straightforward as some believe.

    176. disgustedmom on September 19th, 2007 1:38 pm

      Richard, I try my best to not get my mind going on something like Sex Trade or captive slave type things where Natalee is concerned, but I find it hard to believe that even if J2K murdered Natalee there would have been a need to hide her body.

      We have seen from this case that it would not matter if a body had been found; whatever the cause of death, the case would not have been taken seriously; no justice for the tourist would have prevailed….except that the family would have had the body back.

      Coming full circle then, no matter what condition the body was in when given back to the family, deny deny deny and no justice would still have been the order of the day.

      Simply then, there was no need to hide a body. And that is what keeps me from totally disbelieving that Natalee may actually have been kidnapped for someone’s sick pleasure and kept alive for awhile, if not still being kept alive.

    177. Richard on September 19th, 2007 2:58 pm

      Thanks, Disgusted Mom. You’re willing to consider that this hypothesis MIGHT be true … and that’s what matters so much.

      Just as we “knew” that Elizabeth Smart just had to be dead, because she disappeared. (No body, no case….)

      By the way, I sent Red an article today … an American woman was kidnapped for ransom in the Dominican Republic. However, she was rescued with, apparently, no injuries and no payment of ransom.

      Who can say how a situation might have evolved; i.e., something that began with the three stooges evolved into something else? When the West Virginia woman went to the trailer where the six animals were, did they have a plan ready-made for her, or did circumstance give rise to frightful thoughts?

      Let’s keep our minds open to alternatives….

    178. brenda on September 19th, 2007 2:58 pm

      Richard…yes…putting the parent (Daddy Sloot) arm and arm with baby boy (JVS) makes alot of sense and has from the beginning. Hey, the apple does not fall far from the tree now, does it?

      I also am of the belief Mamma Sloot turned her ugly head to all of it many times over.

      Brenda

    179. Richard on September 19th, 2007 3:00 pm

      http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/09/18/dominican.american.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

      SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) — An American woman kidnapped and held for ransom in the Dominican Republic over the weekend has been rescued, police said.

      Nita Susan Rash was recovered in a police operation Monday, and no money was paid to her captors, police spokesman Gen. Ramon Rodriguez Sanchez said. Two men were arrested in the raid.

      Rash lived in the northern beach town of Las Galeras for several years with her husband, said Mayor Rafael Bello. U.S. Embassy officials did not respond to phone calls seeking comment, and Rash’s hometown and other details were not immediately available.

      But in documents from a 2003 lawsuit in the Dominican Republic, she and her husband were listed as executives of D&D Performance Enterprises Inc., a motorcycle exhaust system manufacturer in Fort Worth, Texas.

      Bello said kidnappings are virtually unheard of in the area and Rash’s abduction has frightened tourists and residents.

      “Nobody wants to leave their house,” said Pedro Rosario, a pharmacy employee in Las Galeras.

      Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

    180. disgustedmom on September 19th, 2007 6:06 pm

      #177, Richard

      One of my local friends mentioned to me the other day something I had not heard before. She’s not really a follower of the Natalee Case, but she knows I am so we do talk about it sometimes. As she is not a follower directly, she often offers some odd observations, and she said ….

      Sometimes girls just barely of legal age are kidnapped for marriage reasons. (like Elizabeth Smart, but not exactly because Elizabeth was under 18) And once that happens (the girl being scared and forced into marriage) the girl is owned (certain country’s rules) and does not have to give back their bride no matter what.

      I’m not keen on that idea, but as it has never been mentioned that I know of on the boards I just thought I’d throw it out there as a possibility as to why nothing is being done to find Natalee. I mean, as I understood what she was saying, if someone sold Natalee to some guy as a bride they would not want to tell that AND not bother to find her either since they made a legal deal (and since the girl agreed -albiet under duress)

      These such brides do not live a normal free life. They are ruled with an iron hand, beaten for misbehaviors and not allowed out without one of the husband’s thugs.

      Anyhow…just another possibility I guess.

    181. Richard on September 19th, 2007 7:40 pm

      Remember the story about the Saudi prince’s yacht being in port on the morning Natalee disappeared.

      Who knows?

      We DO know that one Saudi prince, some years back, met with Colombian drug dealers in Aruba.

      I wouldn’t rule it out. The prince’s henchmen would have zero concern for the life of an ‘infidel’ American.

    182. disgustedmom on September 19th, 2007 9:50 pm

      #181

      I heard that story about a Saudi Prince being on Aruba and leaving the night Natalee disappeared.

      Trouble with Saudi Princes is their religion does not allow them to marry ‘infidels’. However, I’ve read they have been known to go looking for blonde Americans to have sex with while vacationing. But I don’t think they themselves kidnap blondes; as I understand it they are only looking for prostitutes or other consenting blondes. So who knows? Maybe someone wanted to make sure a blonde was available for a high dollar bidder like a Saudi Prince.

      Such a practice, however, does not sit well with their Religious leaders, as you know. But I think I’ve read that some of those countries don’t care if their Princes marry an infidel as long as the woman converts to Islam and then wears all that veil crap outside the house.

      Considering why our government doens’t get involved in the travisty that is the Natalee Case, it would make sad sense that they might not want to if a Prince from the Middle East were involved…considering the war and all.

    183. Richard on September 20th, 2007 8:36 am

      I don’t think that marriage and conversion to Islam is an issue here. And I’m certainly not trying to imply that either Muslims or Saudi princes are any more or less decent, per se, than Christians, Buddhists, tree worshippers (there are some in Africa) or anybody else.

      But there is evidence that the “white slave trade” is still practiced. Someone in a position of wealth and power might well feel invulnerable; we’ve seen ample evidence of that in our own country. We see it in the news every day.

      Just an idea….

    184. Dee on February 4th, 2008 2:46 am

      Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are innocent. I saw the documentary by Peter R de Vries yesterday and it was Joran. The two brothers had nothing to do with this. The only thing they did was dropping Natalee and Joran off at the beach (within walking distance of Natalee’s hotel). Joran is a sociopath and he deliberately implicated his two “friends” to cause confusion and probably just for kicks.

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