RSSDeepak and Satish Kalpoe, Welcome to America: Judge Give Dr Phil & CBS Access to the Natalee Holloway File
Let us first start out by saying, thank you Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Don’t ask for 
things they might just come true. You successfully made it possible for there to be US jurisdiction in this case. Greed is always the inevitable downfall.
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, welcome to the United States judicial system. The two should have left well enough alone and thanked their lucky stars that the Aruban/Dutch legal and investigation system ran cover for them in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. However, in so many case this is another example of pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.
Welcome to the deep end of the pool where the big boys play. The Kalpoes brought a defamation case against Dr. Phil in search of riches and now have exactly what so many of us had prayed for … an opportunity to expose all of what went on in Aruba with regards to the files for the investigation and legal proceedings.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns ruled that the lawyers for CBS TV and The Dr Phil Show can have access to the Natalee Holloway files.
Lawyers for CBS Television and “Dr. Phil” McGraw can have access to e-mails and Aruban documents about two brothers arrested, then released, in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a ruling obtained Wednesday.
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe allege they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, “Dr. Phil” show during which it was alleged that they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non-consensual group sex with her. The episode also implied the siblings helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body, according to court papers.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns issued a 12-page ruling Friday that upheld the tentative ruling he reached in favor of CBS and the celebrity doctor before he took the case under submission Aug. 30. (CBS)
The Kalpoe’s thought that this case would never get to court and that they would settle for millions. Hey Deepak and Satish … You are not in Aruba anymore. The trap has been set and the bait was taken.
LA Judge: ‘Dr. Phil’ Can Get Documents
CBS and Dr. Phil McGraw claimed that documents existed in which the Kalpoes acknowledged having sex with the girl — which they have denied. Attorneys for the defendants sought the documents and also e-mails between the brothers and others regarding the case.
The brothers’ attorneys said Aruban authorities had much of the information being sought and that the authorities had refused to release it.
In granting access, Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns said the documents “are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case.”
UPDATE: Holloway/Twitty Family attorney John Q. Kelly “On The Record”
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Tonight, a possible breakthrough in the Natalee Holloway case. A California judge has ordered the Kalpoe brothers to turn over documents and e-mails that the judge says are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case.
John Q. Kelly is an attorney for Natalee Holloway’s parents. He joins us in New York.
John, you were part of this lawsuit originally, but your client got bounced out of it. Btu tell me, what is the order that this judge has issued and why is it significant?
JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Well, the key issue is whether the Kalpoe’s have to turn over all the documents in their possession including all their e-mail correspondence between them and Joran Van der Sloot or any other third parties during the uncertain period of time after Natalee’s disappearance. And we’re hoping that it would shed some light on Natalee’s disappearance and the Kalpoe’s involvement with it and think of it (ph) if they’re kind enough to turn it all over.
For the rest of the interview GO HERE
Posted September 14, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Deepak Kalpoe, John Q. Kelly, Judicial, Media, Natalee Holloway | 184 comments |
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184 Responses to “Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Welcome to America: Judge Give Dr Phil & CBS Access to the Natalee Holloway File”
Let’s shoot for the death penilty!!!I will never quite understand why Aruba after all with all the organized crime and corruption,Never took justice into their own hands and torchered the truth out of the Sloot’s and Kalpoe’s.It would have saved their unhappy island.
The word ‘compliance’ comes to mind here.
Educate me somebody. How is this ruling going to be enforced?
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SM: If the Kalpoes don’t comply the judge will probably dismiss the case. No $$ for Kalpoes (klaasend)
Kalpoes will not comply. This has been another stall tactic….along with the KLPD ‘extending’ the two year period.
Aruba has been ‘checkmated’ on this one. We all know who was involved with the initial crimes, and the government actors working to protect the perps as well as cover for each other.
They are just playing stretch it out games. Watch for the Kalpoes to go away.
here kitty, kitty, kitty……
Although it is not Politically correct I have to agree with Aruban Ho #1 on this it seems at this point the only way to have any form of punishment for the Sloots and the Kalpoes will have to come from outside of the Aruba Justice system as the Police
and the Govt of Aruba are not willing to do it, but maybe some other faction will step up to the plate and get ( Justice for Nat and her family ).
The Kalpoes are are a very sad couple of individuals and will pay for their stupidity as scape goats for the VDS clan
Does anybody really expect the records to be handed over? Part of me does, part of me does not. Part of me believes the Kalpoes want the truth out. Part of me thinks they just might not want to turn them over saying because you disrespected me and my family, treated me wrong we are going to be jackasses about it. Which is what they have claimed before. I call it nonsense. I have wondered about their innocence until they once again refuse to prove themselves innocent by turning things over and speaking to investigators willingly. One would think if they had nothing to hide they would do so. Enough of the bs already Kalpoes, give it up already!
They need to pony up and come clean. To say the least.
Good blog to the writer.
The sad thing is I believe that the Kalpoos were not involved in Natalees disappearence. I think that LIERUBA wants to blame things on them hence this lawsuit…Hey KALPOOS this is it,this is where you get hung out to dry….say goodbye to whatever life you thought you would have…Kiss LYING NADRIRA goodbye….
Folks, Hate to burst your bubble, US courts have no jurisdiction in Aruba, the ruling is not enforceable… SO, the Kalpoes inturn will NOT pursue Dr. Phil, drop their case, and no records will be provided… Unfortunate reality.
ben
true. the case will probably be dismissed.
But the Kalpoes filed a frivilous lawsuit in California. Which is the United States.
Do you think Deepak’s attorneys want to get paid??? Deepak better have deepockets. lol
Do you think Dr Phil may request that he get reimbursed for his legal costs — due to the ‘frivilous’ lawsuit??
Deepak better know of the location of a money tree somewhere.
Sing, Deepak. Sing.
And your troubles will go away…….
Well…if the Kalpoes thought they could go through with this without having any documents revealed I have one thing to say—-They just dont understand the U.S laws and justice system.
hmmmm where have I heard THAT before????
I am sure they knew. Must have. Im sure this has been along time coming. Hopefully they will do the right thing.
Im am sure I am dreaming but I hope Im wrong.
Sharon, I agree 100%!!! I as I’m sure you and many have watched patient/ un-patiently waiting for something to happen down there. The Kalpoes will be out money, Dr Phil can counter sue for time, legal fees, etc but at the end of the day nothing has changed. WE are no closer to a resolution for Natalee. Very sad.
BTW: I HAD vacationed in Aruba on my honeymoon 10 years ago and 4 times after that… WE WILL NEVER GO BACK, EVER!!!! I have spread this message to anyone with an open ear!!!
I don’t think the Kalpoes were involved, either… only taken for a ride by a psychopath and his degenerate father.
I have always said that this lawsuit is not about money as much as it is about clearing their names. They want to divorce themselves of this crime and the ramifications that go with it.
I disagree with many of you. I think Aruba will hand over the documents… most of which are being reviewed in The Netherlands. It would not be in the best interest of the Island of Aruba or for The Netherlands to interfere with the lawsuit.
Besides, it could be a showing of “good faith” on the part of Aruba to comply. But, naturally, one might question their total compliance.
I applaud the courage of these two boys. To want to redeem themselves publicly in the U.S. speaks volumns to their character. I think they have grown up over the past two years and have come to realize the errors of their ways. Obviously, it will be safer for them to address these issues in the U.S. than in their home, Aruba, which is known for it’s corruption and ties to organized crime.
Again, I applaud the Kalpoes and pray that God will give them the courage to speak the truth, reveal the lies and afford the family an opportunity to, finally, find their daughter, Natalee Ann Holloway; and, the peace they so greatly deserve.
It also speaks volumns for the effect that Natalee had on these two boys. To come here to challenge the things that were said about her, is a tribute to her memory. I think she has that effect on people.
Justice for Natalee
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SM: Here are Deepak’s own words (not contested) from the Skeeter’s interview: “To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too,” he said. “Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes. Enough with this BS already.”
You applaud THAT? Sorry but I can’t (klaasend)
Patti, lets hope you are right.
Dr. Phil should advise couples about relationships, he is NOT a P.I.
(klaasend)
We all know how he manipulated an interview with one of the two brothers. He will do the same with these documents.
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SM: Joran, is that you?
Patti, huh??? Just start following this case…???!!!
Justice;
Well spoken,your heart is in the right place.However these boys were born and raised in Aruba. Remember the interview with their mom? Everyone lies in Aruba. No big deal,happens daily.
I, like you, think the Kalpoes are innocent,but scared to speak the truth. Here in America,in the past six years sinse 9-11 , the the title HERO has taken on a whole new meaning. I look at policemen and firemen differently now I have much more respect for them. They are truley heros.My point? The Kalpoes have hero status if they would only step up and tell what they know. By doing so they should be given protection and immunity.
Patti, can I get some what you’re smokin’?
the kalpoe’s heroes? where does that come from? they haven’t admitted they lied to save a friend, haven’t apologized for the lies they’ve told to denigrate natalee’s reputation and to throw off the investigation. they haven’t done anything even resembling a decent thing to help bring natalee home or hold anyone responsible for her.
they’re in this for the money, pure and simple. just what kind of reputation do you think deepak had before natalee even went to aruba. he was described to searchers for natalee on the first day, by locals on the beach that knew him as a suspected drug dealer. they are not heroic in any shape, form, or fashion.
dennisintn
The Kalpoes will not comply. The case will be dismissed. It is just another game.
IF and that is a big if, the records are provided, does anyone really think all of the records will be provided? I think most of them are gone…and statements have been altered. Whatever is provided will not be accurate.
It is just another stall game guys and gals, don’t get your hopes up.
After two+ years, neither the three suspects nor Aruban/Dutch law enforcement have ever given us anything that clears these guys. Many say there’s no evidence they’re guilty, but in all this time, why is there nothing that even comes close to showing they’re lying little butts are innocent? The Kalpoes have a chance to put the truth behind their statements out there for the US and world to see. Why would they decline to do so? Their attorneys knew this would come up; I assume they believed they could convince the judge these documents weren’t necessary to move forward with the suit. Now that the opposite has occurred, what will the Kalpoes do? Stay tuned.
#18- I want some too. The only thing I am going to applaud is when they all have their throats slit.
15 FL: If the Kalpoes turn over the documents as ordered by the U.S. Court, then this case might get to the point where we find out whether or not the tape was manipulated to show Deepak saying something he didn’t say. Dr. Phil isn’t backing down. Guess we’ll find out whether or not the Kalpoes can stand behind their claims.
#18-hey nuturer…that was pretty funny! I kinda understand what Patti is saying…kinda..we have all prayed for answers…maybe this is it…In the beginning, they were trying to help URINE, but maybe after finding out how EVIL, and dispickable urine is, they may just want the truth to come out…wouldnt that be great..where is the sporter these days anyway???anyone know? I know he cant show his ugly mug on the VILE Island…where is Tacojoe????hmmmm
First, I want to say…I had no idea Jamie Skeeters died! RIP Jamie!
About the Kalpoes…I don’t if I believe they are guilty of harming Natalee directly or in disposing of her. Haven’t made up my mind on that yet. But…
I think they wanted their own dates that night, but Natalee was unable to get them any of her friends, so 2K were no longer interested in hanging out all night with Joran and Natalee unless Joran planned on sharing -which is highly likely. I think J2K were hoping to each have an American ’slut’ (not my words) to rape because they ‘deserved to be raped’ (not my feelings). And 2K are only mad with Joran now because they got dragged into this mess without having had the
‘fun’ Joran got to have.
I do think the intent of all 3 was to rape an American tourist. There are plenty of local girls willing to give it up (so it seems) so voluntary sex was not on their minds, IMO. The night was all about raping and putting notches on their rape belts because they HATE America, Americans and Women with morals.
Would they be interested in ratting Joran out? I don’t think so, because they are still guilty of knowing what they had intentions of doing and don’t want to have to admit it. They don’t want to admit they LEFT Joran alone with Natalee because they didn’t get dates. They want to make it seem they didn’t want any dates to begin with and were just taxi drivers for white boy…and that’s the underlying issue I have with 2K. They know what the plan was! And instead of saying it when Natalee went missing- so it might help find Natalee, they covered for Joran with lies.
We can’t exclude the possibility that prior to Natalee J2K have raped and possibly drugged other American tourists…and this might come out if they ratted out Joran. I mean because once Joran goes down for rape, if the Kalpoes had engaged in any prior rapes, Joran would have nothing to lose by bringing that up.
I never really understood how the Kalpoes could be so dumb as to try to bring charges against Dr Phil over the Skeeter’s Tape. I personally believe they were led into this by someone’s guidance that suggested they had to do something aggressive to make it seem like they really didn’t have anything to do with raping tourists/Natalee so they could distance themselves from Joran, when the real plan of the guider was so Joran could distance himself from the Kalpoes. Paulus probably thought the idea up to give himself the added benefit of knowing what the Kalpoes know that he is afraid has not been told to him already.
Paulus probably hasn’t slept without drugs in a couple years and a few months.
Anybody that thinks the Kalpoes were NOT involved need to have their pulsed checked, need to climb out from under the rock they live under…..jimminie christmas…..they were down right involved and they KNOW what happened to her.
Klaas:
I applaud their courage to come here, yes. Their attorney’s know what they’re up against and I think that there is a good reason why they came.
I knew that there would be alot of people that disagree with me, but I am entitled. I, certainly, don’t embrace their words or find them to be kind and I am not making excuses for them. But, the fact that they are facing the music and willing to be held either accountable, or not accountable is more courage than I have seen come our of Aruba in the entire time that I have been here.
So, yes, Sweetie, I applaud it.
Scott:
Exactly… they know what happened to her. Do you know why? Because Freddie told them. Do you think they are going to risk coming out with the truth of what happened to Natalee in Aruba?
THEY’d have to have their pulse checked and head examined… think about it.
#17, Ayfit,
I did not write the post you are referring to.
YIPPEE!! Finally, we get to DISCOVERY
Imagine all of the information that could be divulged from the documents in reference to Natalee’s disappearance 
Go Dr. Phil and CBS!! Give ‘em hell 
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Personally, Ayfit, I think the Kalpoes are lying weasels who thought they could cash in and squeeze big money out of Dr. Phil.
They thought Dr. Phil would settle. What fools they are.
Watch the cowards bail now. They are hiding something if they don’t want the docs turned over.
I don’t think K2 are as complicit as Joran (KLPD’s prime suspect as the killer of Natalee) but the Kalpoes are involved.
Nurturer…re: post #18
You sure you want to do that to yourself? May not be reversible!
:>)
I believe it is both ways. Yes…K2s are followers. Yes…they were involved in whatever happened to Nat that night.
Do they want Urine to hang? OOOOHHH YES! But they would have to hang as well. Certainly they blame him for their own predicament, but it is in the end only their own faults. If someone told me to come along for something I knew wasn’t right, I wouldn’t. They did. Their choice.
I do hope Phil gets his hands on the evidence. Whatever it is. I think the K2s were simply posturing thinking we Americans would back off. Don’t they have alot to learn!?
this is small b ben ,Large B ben is some one else. will go by benh from now on.
Well, it will speak volumes if the Kalpoes do not comply. If you have nothing to hide, comply…
This is good news. But I wonder if indeed files will be handed over as long as the penal case isn’t finished. Handing over the files now might damage the penal case.
I’m amazed (and a bit embarrassed) that it takes this long and still the penal case isn’t brought to court. Maybe, hopefully this ruling by this US judge will speed up all the penal case processes as well.
#34:
Good… had me scared for a minute.
.
Nurturer:
There is no cause to make a comment like that.
Sure it’s funny, but, please if you disagree
so much, tell me why.
.
I’m only going to say one more thing and that is that there are alot of poeple, just like the Kalpoes that say things out of retaliation. Most of us are adults and we do it. Why is it so hard to comprehend that EVERYBODY does it? I know that some of you are older than I am and that may make a difference. But for young people to say that someone looked like a slut, walked, talked etc. but her mother thought she was a goody two shoes is bad, but is clearly something said in retaliation. Makes you kinda want to know what the question was.
Plus… we have talked about this alot lately. Beth was the engine that kept that investigation going down there. Deepak and Satish would, certainly, feel some resentment toward her for the many times that they were hauled in for questioning and kept in jail. What was said was a bad thing to say… but clearly it is said in retaliation, not against Natalee, but against Beth.
I know it sounds like I’m trying to excuse their behavior and I’m not - there’s no excuse. But there is such a thing as redemption… and THAT is what I think the Kalpoes are seeking.
Besides, why complain… we are getting press coverage, we are getting an opportunity to peer deeper into this case plus we may get the ammunition we need to prove a cover up.
Why is everyone picking on me… just because I see this as a positive thing?????
Patti I understand where you are coming from.
I hope you are right that they have grown up. We shall see.
Justice;
The crow taste awful.This case has clowded my thinking. I had forgotten the awful remarks made by the poes. I am so ready for Beth to have closure. Seems as though it will never happen. Hate to tell you,but the only winners here are the lawyers. I hope they are paid upon RESULTS. I am afraid we will never know what happened to Natalee. As for Joron and the Kalpoes-sleep with one eye open.
i would have to wonder if the documents are turned over, would they be real ? these people have already shown that they are a heartless bunch of assassins and have no reguard for human life.
i think the k-punks will not go through with this suit and this will further prove their involvement in the disappearence of Natalee.
i say let them come over here and not let them leave. we could slap the terrorist label on them easily since they look just like one !
25. DisgustedMom: I believe Dr. Phil’s response to the Kalpoe suit or his Discovery requests address the issue of who is behind this Kalpoe suit. I can’t remember how it was worded; perhaps a monkey with a better memory could help. Please?
Hear that Aruba? You’re still stuck on stupid folks!~ To think that you can bring a lawsuit and not turn over ALL PERTINENT information and expect this case to move forward shows even Aruba’s best & brightest came up with this bright idea are a laughing stock to the world!
Enough of the b.s. Deepak gave an interview to Jamie in hopes of being paid to go on the Dr. Phil show. The tapes were edited, not manipulated. The suspects admitted having group sex with girls before but omitted the drugging part. In Joran’s own words, “We’ve done this 20 times before”.
J2K are guilty of the kidnapping, drugging, rape, murder and corpse abuse of Natalee Holloway. Many corrupt Aruban officals aided and abetted in the cover-up fearing the truth would trigger loss of tourism $$. The opposite happened.
The lawsuit is an act of greed by the Kalpoes and attorneys knowing Dr. Phil and CBS have deep, deep pockets. Phhht - In no way, shape or form should ANY of Natalee’s rapists and murderers be deemed repentant.
We are not picking on you Patti…we just see you have no common sense or real-life perception of anything. That’s all.
We’re still right here
Giving blood….keeping faith and
We’re still right here…
37. Patti. You said the Kalpoes had courage and you applaud them and think they’re trying to clear their names. Those “picking on you” have opinions of the Kalpoes that are the polar opposite. They’re lying bottom feeders who are looking for a big payday from Phil McGraw. That’s the best I can say about them because I don’t know if they’re also lying rapists and murderers or accessories to rape and murder.
Sting said/sang it best…
every move you make
every breath you take
i’ll be watching you
The Sloots’s Kalpoe’s & other’s close to the case are being watched. Their live’s are not their own anymore and may never be again.
(OT—-OJ may be arrested today in Vegas!~)
W00T~
Patti…the Kalpoes seeking redemption? What?
I knew from the get go that this sham of a case was going to go nowhere fast without proper discovery. No suprise’s here….but it was entertaining watching Greta and her panel mocking and laughing at Aruba once again!~
….like that…. Gottcha, splat!
If Nat was my baby… I think at this
point I’d want to put together
a 6 - 12 man hit team, and extract Paulus Vandersloot like a tooth
that has gone bad. They’d ambush the boys,
and beat the livin’ Yak turds out ALL THREE of them until they sang every note of what happened
to Nat. F dimplomacy at this point. You first
have to have a Dimplomat before you can have
dimplomacy. What are these savages going to
write with, the bones stuck in their noses?
When all else fails, a well placed size 12
wedged up somone’s bazoot without Vaseline
really can work miracles. -j4n
#41, LilPuma
“25. DisgustedMom: I believe Dr. Phil’s response to the Kalpoe suit or his Discovery requests address the issue of who is behind this Kalpoe suit. I can’t remember how it was worded; perhaps a monkey with a better memory could help. Please?”
Interesting! Now I’m more excited about this suit than ever!
Go Dr Phil! Get Paulus! LOL
Actually, finding out who’s backing the lawyers of the Kalpoes needs to be done just as much as finding out who’s paying Joey Taco. Probably the same person/group and maybe the Kalpoe suit was only filed in the first place to get a payout from which to pay Joey also for all his wasted time. Maybe was their only hope.
Well, the way I see this, it’s going to end up costing whoever is backing this entire coverup more money….money for having to give up things that will be thouroughly investigated until something spits out like a huge zit being popped! Paying to get themselves exposed! What great karma!
Too bad it’s California though. But on the good side, it’s also major media being sued.
I’m sure those morons in Aruba, namely Paulus, don’t realize they can’t sue Dr Phil for what he does on his TV show…he has insurance and so does the network have insurance for any mistakes he might make. We’re talking about a whole bunch of lawyers on Dr Phil’s side. Paulus can’t compete with that. AFter all, he’s only used to being able to fool morons.
And once it’s deemed frivolous? Then the Kalpoe backers are going to have to pay the bills of the defense.
Aruba For Sale! …oh, wait…that’s nothing new is it? Aruba has always been for sale.
A DIMPLOMAT is just like a ‘DIPLOMAT’
…he just has more DIMPLES!
http://tinyurl.com/yodhcr
LOL Carpe!
The only thing that has changed is that the Kalpuke brother’s usefulness is just about out.
These 2 punks are guilty as hell of being complicit in the drugging, kidnapping & possible rape & murder of Natalee. Innocent my a$$!
OT Again
OMG Simpson is saying Mark Furman planted the evidence in Vegas!!~
hahahahaha
#37 Patti
Why does Deepak have a right to retaliate? To feel like he has been wronged? People retaliate against wrongs. How was Deepak wronged by being asked about Natalee?
Deepak was NOT retaliating! He was making the self-justifying remarks of a twisted mentality that believes it’s OK to rape! ..which is the same mentality that thinks it OK to usurp the rights and dignity of others.
And speaking of Dignity…
Courts (and morally ethical people) seek to uphold people’s rights and dignity. Dignity is the word that is left out too often when authorities charged with making sure people’s rights and dignity are honored try to handle things brought before them. And Aruba does not even have the word in their vocabulary when it comes to the victim. Natalee’s dignity was not only taken from her, it was rewritten as if she deserved none…by Aruban authorities, the VDS’s and Deepak Kalpoe! AND not only that….they tried to pass off that Joran’s behavior was dignified!
Sick people!
#51 I agree Carpe, I would have taken those lil punks out a long time ago. Of course, they would have suffered beyond belief prior to me doing them in.
I am hard pressed to believe that even if they handed over the documents that they would be accurate. My guess would be that the Kalpoes will drop the lawsuit unless they firmly believe and or know that the documents have been altered in their favor.
I hate not being able to feel hopeful in this case but after all the lies and games I have seen coming out of Aruba I am unable to feel that they are capable of doing anything that is morally correct.
I hope I am wrong.
Justice for Natalee
Right Mayan!
The Kalpoes are ABSOLUTELY involved. That is the only reason it would have lasted this long. IMHO
They all have something dirty on the each other…
One gets knocked out, they all topple down
like a weakly built house of cards.
I am right there with ya on that, Libby. -j4n
#59 - Down-Loading Daddy!!!
I know. It’s just like when the Dutch investigators showed up. I was ALL EXCITED while everyone else was like, “I’ll believe it when I see it”. The people that have been here the longest and have gone through all the ups and downs of being hopeful and then being disappointed have a hard time being excited when good things happen. I think it’s because, like you said, all the lies and games in Aruba.
But, see, that’s another reason why I’m so excited, it’s not in Aruba, it’s here!!!
What we need to do is start putting some pressure on the Dutch to share their documents if Aruba doesn’t feel the need. The Dutch have had this case up to their eyebrows and will, probably, gladly share their documents to stay on the side of our good grace. They have to be feeling the pressure.
Hey, I love the picture of JQK with the RATS in the trap. How fitting is that?
On a funny note:
When Deepak spoke to
Jamie Skeeters he basicly said…The Americans
are not right saying that the Aruban Law Enforcement are Keystone Cops… “When I
was arrested they had my entire life
before me, and ***every girl I’d ever been
with*** right there in front
of me on the table.”
***ROFLMAO****
Every girl he’d ever been with!!!!
The ALE must have filed
the report on a
Post It note.
…
Deepak is such a frigging LOSER! He also
thought he could put a hurtin’ on Vandersloot.
That pip squeak lives in a FANTASY LAND.
With a face like the Missing Link, he’s limited to girls from church his mother can sucker into performing acts of charity.
Everytime Dee-crack Kalpone gets layed,
Halley’s Comet makes an appearance!
Deepak has never had too much to say and when he did say something it was pure smut and a bunch of lies. Still suspects, if they wanted to try and do something to clear their names they could of come to the US and many people would of given them an interview. Maybe even paid their expenses. Involved in the disappearance of Natalee and they want millions.
But I do think that Deepak knows something about Natalee having a head injury, also knows about what kind of chit did she have on her, so he says. If they want the truth to come out, now is their chance.
Disgusted Mom:
Sweetie, you don’t understand me very well. I am not saying that what they did was right… but here we are two years + down the road, Aruba wants the case closed, the Dutch have their investigation that they are conducting but if they didn’t find anything, this may be what we have left… at least for a while.
I wish I could make you understand, this is a milestone and the fact that the Dutch have copies of their documents means that we have a more responsible country to rely upon for the information.
THIS is a GOOD thing.
I am probably completely wrong as my forte is more business law. But…
The Extradition of Fugatives Clause in the Constitution requires States, upon demand of another State, deliver a fugitive of justice who has committed a “treason, felony or other crime” to be removed to the State from which the fugitive has fled. 18 U.S.C. § 3182 sets the process by which an executive of a state, district or territory of the United States must arrest and turn over a fugitive from another state, district or territory.
The USA has signed extradition treaties with Aruba and The Netherlands.
The only problem is the case for the prosecution I believe has to originate from the United States. I believe they, the suspects would have to be tried in abstentia and then a warrant issued to have the suspect(s) extradited.
By the way the Kalpoes were born in Suriname not Aruba. So they are not citizens of Aruba legally. Deepak arrived first and Satish I believe three years later.
They have been worried that they would be deported to Suriname which could happen any time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_absentia
I’m not really sure how this would work. I believe a charge that Natalee’s civil rights etc etc were violated by the JK2’s by not taking her back to the hotel as she requested; would have to be submitted in either Federal Court in the State of Alabama or the Alabama Supreme court. The defendant(s) would have to prove that they took her back to her hotel.
If a trial in absentia proved that the defendants were guilty perhaps the Superior Court of The State of Alabama or Federal Court may request extradition of the suspects.
The original mistake was to issue the charges in the State of New York which had no interest in the case as Natalee resided in Mountain Brook Alabama.
No matter what; Joe Tacopina cannot practice law on Aruba as he has not as yet passed either the Netherlands’ or Aruba’s legal bar requirements.
JORAN is the one that says that if they
find the girl, they’ll find that shit!
It was said TO Deepak… probably referring
to some drugs that he had sold to Joran.
It was a threat, which is what he and his father
used against them to keep the fear in them so
they could keep them acting “stupid” and telling
lies “for” them. They probably thought that Nat
died of an overdose because of something they had
sold to Joran.
They dropped them off with the drugs and left.
They probably got a call when Natalee didn’t wake
up and that was why Satish asks about the girl the
next morning.
Yeah, right Patti, but…
Now where does the part come in to play
where the filthy, disgusting, sex starved,
greed monger,
Deepak Kalpoe turns to Joran
and says “Hey, Can We Keep My Brother Satish
Out of This?”
How does that plug in?
Out of ‘WHAT’
Touching the girl with the car? -j4n
Spot-on, #43 Para2legal.
Everyone, make sure you read #43.
I don’t get this. The outcome is what? Double bind for K2? The case can’t proceed until the documents are produced, but K2 doesn’t have them and can’t produce them. Stalemate. Quicksand.
Sorry for my bad grammer:
It was a threat which is what Joran and his father
used against them to keep the fear in them so they would keep acting “stupid” and telling lies. They probably thought that Nat had died of an overdose because of something they had sold to Joran.
They dropped Joran and Natalee off with the drugs and left. They probably got a call when Natalee passed out and that’s why Satish asked about the girl the next morning.
But… if Natalee had died of an overdose, why would there be a cover-up? People die of overdoses all the time. She didn’t die of an overdose, I think we all can agree on that. But Deepak and Satish didn’t know what had happened and thought that Joran and his Father were acting in their interests… until they started seeing Joran’s statements. It was then that Deepak told about the story invented around the swimming pool and the “No Body, No Crime” theory resulting in the arrest of Papa Sloot.
How does it feel, Joran?
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The thing that is so amazing is that this all happened AFTER the cover up at the rocks. That makes it evident that Deepak and Satish were clueless, they didn’t even know that she had been found and disposed of. Obviously, Joran was trying to frame Deepak saying that he had buried her at Fisherman’s Huts on or around June 24 - Nearly two-weeks after the recovery of her body at the rocks.
Pigeons… certainly they don’t deserve to be held responsible for any more than what they ACTUALLY did. There is no proof that I know of that the Kalpoes knew anything about the cover-up that was being conducted by Jan the Man (Jan Van der Straaten) and Company.
IMHO
I was reading the forum and came upon a post about Ultimate Bet’s Aruba poker tournament. I can offer some information about this if someone would email me: thought_criminal_1980@yahoo.com I sent a registration request but do not know if it will go through (a previous request did not).
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SM: I just approved you for forum membership. I’ll also copy this post and post it in the forum right now, thanks! (klaasend)
#66, Patti…I’m not all that Sweet. LOL…Sweet is spelled- S U C K E R -to too many people.
What’s wrong, Carpe? Do you really want me to give you my opinion or are you upset that someone, finally, spoke up and said that all those posts that went through saying that Deepak said that to Joran were in error. As if Deepak was a witness to something sick and disgusting that was on Natalee’s body.
You knew it, but what the heck? Huh?
Let’s deal with the facts, not someone’s fantasy about what happened or was said.
But… to answer your question, perhaps Satish is the one that ran into the bar to pick up the drugs and Deepak wanted to keep him out of it and take the responsibility on himself… you know, like most big brothers do.
He was getting his legal advise from the Devil himself and was nearly to the point of spending a good portion of his life behind bars except for one thing -
Where’s Natalee???????
IMHO
#64 Carpe….Very Funny! LMAO
Imagine how Deepak feels being so short against Satish and Joran. I’ll bet they both use him for an elbow rest! Guess that’s why he’s slump-shouldered even while driving his ‘cool’ car.
While he was so busy making the car cool, he should have had a concave seat special made to fit his humpback in so it would look like he could sit up straight.
His only love is that Honda with the badonkadonk tail pipes and sexy growl of a voice.
Deepak + Girls = NO! He only likes to watch!
Deepak’s only girl friend is that one-time boss of his, Angela (or whatever her name was). And she’s not about romance. She’s about being his defender, like her brother.
I* thought it was Deepak that said, if they find that girl and see the chit on her your going to jail and you can kiss your scholarship Good-bye!!!
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SM: Here is part of the police car transcript:
Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, retard. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn’t lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I should have killed you, retard. Shut your trap.
Disgusted Mom:
Well, I don’t know… you seem pretty nice to me.
I’d never take you for a sucker, not in a million
years.
43. Para2legal: That pretty much sums it up.
51. Carpe. The way this investigation was handled, I think Joran, Paulus and the Kalpoes are lucky that Dave Holloway is a devout Christian. I think there are many fathers out there who would feel the way you do and might actually follow through.
..SM…Thank you for responding but I think what I remember was the conversation in jail…
#72
The rocks….the rocks that were painted white in some spots.
Here’s the problem I’m having with the rocks: If Natalee were found there, then ALE would know this. And they could have given Beth a death certificate. They did not give her one as far as I know.
If Natalee were not found there, but her blood was, then of course it wouldn’t be certain that she was dead, but depending on the amount of blood Jan VDS could have made an educated guess that she was dead because he had seen evidence to support that belief.
In both cases though, there is no admittance by ALE that what was at the rocks had anything to do with Natalee. In fact, they say it was someone else. (wasn’t it a little boy? Did anyone ever say where he was from, his name or anything?)
So the problem I have with the rocks is that if they did find Natalee evidence there, either her body or enough blood to feasibly realize she could not be alive….why cover it up when all they had to do was say ‘Joran didn’t do it -hiding any evidence they may have found that implicated him-, We don’t know who did, but we’re still looking’ and then not try real hard to look like they’re doing anyway?
If that was Natalee evidence at the rocks, then it was a massacre! And if it was a massacre then it was done intentionally and openly intentionally to upet tourism perhaps…and the reason why ALE couldn’t just clear Joran and anyone else they wanted to by losing evidence against them could be because it is the massacre itself they need to hide from anyone knowing about.
You all know the way Aruba is so crooked, it wouldn’t have mattered in what state they found Natalee’s body. No matter what they would still find a way to clear Joran and Paulus if they wanted to. So maybe it’s not the players that they are concerned about saving. Maybe Natalee was a tourist version of Pit Bull or Rene or that Lawson guy in the drum? And Aruba doesn’t want anyone to know tourists are now fair game for political games played on that island.
Does anyone know if Paulus pissed off anyone by not doing them a favor when asked? What about if Paulus made some innocent person go to jail? Or maybe he helped put some gangsta in jail. Could be revenge if one of such a person took a tourist from Joran to massacre and leave in the open like that. Send a message maybe?
Anyway, that’s the problem I have with the whole rock thing. It doesn’t make sense that Joran, knowing everyone knew he was the last one with her, would make such a mess openly. Even Joran is not that stupid.
And since I don’t think anything of such a bizarre theory, as I’ve expressed in this post, happened, I can’t buy that it was Natalee at the rocks.
Yet, something was there. Something they felt a need to paint over. Blood could be washed/scrubbed off. Painting white spots on the rocks makes them look ridiculous! Unless the paint was used to mark the spots for later use as in an investigation in progress, I have no idea why they painted the rocks. Anyone?
I SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU, RETARD.
If that doesn’t say it all.
Deepak and Satish are important witnesses to the
cover-up. Most of the others have flew the coup.
Mr. Jan and Company had them all tied up and ready to go down the ol’ shoot when something, obviously, went wrong. The psychopath blew his fuse and spoiled their plans. Natalee wasn’t supposed to die of mutilation and gun shot wounds, she was supposed to die of an overdose.
So let’s blame Joran and say that he’s crazy and we’ll stick him in a mental institution and be done with it.
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I don’t mind hating on people, as long as we hate on the right people. We can’t let our prejudice, bias and inuendos get in the way of justice. This
is not a crime regarding the sale of drugs. This
is a cold-blooded murder. THAT’s why they had to
cover it up… too many people knew.
And the disclaimer printed on the Chicago Video’s
says it all.
The way I see it, they’re are so many people involved in the disappearance of Natalee. Much of it lies with tourism, Aruba’s form of justice(none). Paulus had the help of all the dirty works of Aruba. He has performed so many illegal favors. And there isn’t one decent person to come forward. I think the Netherlands should dump their asses, they don’t need the problems, they’ll never get their money back, so why continue to support them.
The Queen needs to take her blinders off…!!!! You own a corrupt island with drugs dealers, porn freaks, rapists, murderers, kidnappers, lying officers of the law, known criminal allowed to own a hotel and casino, against your laws, where are you, false driver licenses rendered, people injured and killed, you could of demanded Justice for Natalee…but not one word for you…!!!
Patti -
I have had friends of all colors
my entire life. The Kalpoes do not
even get near the color black in this
American’s view, not even with a wicked
sun burn.
That white man vs. black man shite that the
Vandersloot family loves to be talking about
so much.
It is a load of Vandersloot poop.
The Kalpoes have every bit as much to do with
the crimes on Natalee Holloway as Joran
Vandersloot. imo
The Kalpoes are two rapists with a car and a video camera.
Joran is a rapist that graduated to murder
on May 30th, 2005.
Paulus Vandersloot a
corpse disposal specialist. He
is murderer like his son!
Gotta love that lying oinker of a wife too,
Anita!!!
HEY PAUL, HOW MUCH MAD DUCK DID U HAVE TO SLUG
BACK BEFORE SWINGING A LEG UP ON THAT OL’ HOG
BECAME AN OPTION?
Great googlie mooglie
that beyotch is an old gas bag…
You’da fared better
doinkin’ your maid.
…
If it wasn’t for Paulus Vandersloot, I truly
don’t feel we’d be here posting about this
today. -j4n
Disgusted Mom:
There was supposed to have been a boy that was from Columbia found that day. He supposedly had
been missing for two years. They said that he
had been buried there.
They had gone there because Joran had supposedly
confessed and led them to where the body was.
The body that I see there is not dead for two weeks. Neither is the body in the bag.
Gee…. I smell a rat and not the low-riding,
cruisin’ havin’ fun-in-the-sun Kalpoe kind of rat
Actually, I think I smell a pig.
Who’s in charge, anyway?
Well Aruba your not a happy safe island anymore…you can thank your Ale and your gov’t….anyone that visits your island deserves what they get because they have been warned…you can thank Joran he made all of this happen…spoiled psychopath…I can do what I want, Daddy said so, he’s going to a judge and I am safe….Paulus covered up because of his future. Beth has a signed document that says Joran had sex with Natalee at his house, so where do we go from here!!!
Carpe:
I couldn’t agree with you more. But race was a part of this case, in Aruba. The Aruban that took that video was sending a message. That being that they are tired of their people being set up for crimes they didn’t commit.
I know you’re not a racist and I’m not implying
that you are, but the Dutch in Aruba are, and
obviously, there had been some double dealing from the bottom of the deck going on there before. The people from Aruba always say “Dirty Police”.
And, frankly, I’m beginning to wonder if Natalee had been held captive for a couple weeks before she was murdered. Certainly, if that were true; it could be possible that the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it and had no knowledge of her whereabouts.
The way that Deepak pleads with Joran to just tell the truth makes me think that he was tired of the rat race and was willing to take a rap for the drugging of Natalee, even if that was not what had killed her. Now, I know that the difference between you and I is mostly gender; and, as a woman, I tend to have soft spots but, Carpe, there is something about these two that just don’t fit in with the raping and murdering Sloots. That’s my gut. I know that there have been past episodes where they admit to having group sex… but I don’t see that here. I do see that Satish adored Natalee, but not in a sexual way… more in a fun, kick back and have a good time sort of way. I mean IDOLIZED her. I just don’t see it any other way.
If you want me to shut up about it, I will. But I want you to remember my words.
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Now… Let me ask you a question:
You’ve seen the body in the bag. You have been
working with frames from the Chicago Video’s, specifically, on the body in the bag… You don’t think that she could possibly been dead for nearly two weeks and remain in that condition, do you?
Oh, and Carpe…
I think you’re hilarious!!!
(Smiles)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html
February 23, 2007
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers’ car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.
Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
Deepak stated on his Jamie Skeeters tape that Greta offered him a MiLLION to talk (BIG LIE)
Deepak said Satish drove to Carlos n Charlies, Satish said Deepak did.
Nadira said her sons told her that “the girl” didn’t even talk to them when she got in the car, not even to say hi, yet Deepak is saying Natalee got in and introduced herself and he said hi back.
She said Satish don’t drink.
Deepak told that Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw off an investigation, before there was one.
They cleaned their car twice at least the night in question. ants, sand, whatever..
Deepak says they have all been in the same room having sex with girls before.
Deepak says they all went out to Carlos n Charlies and sometimes it was Joran who got the girl, sometimes Freddie.
Steve Croes just pops up out of blue, he don’t know them, but he goes and tells the police he saw them drop Natalee off at Holiday Inn. (who believes that?)
What is the mention of Satish touching a girl with a car and him having a gun?
What about that 8 and a half minute phone call between Joran and Deepak around 3 or so the night in question? The longest between them ever Karin Janssen said.
Deepak calling Natalee a slut and questioning why a girl would get in the car with themselves? How smart is that? Who would get in the car with me and my brother and friend? Don’t say much for yourself and friends if you say that.
I remember him being rude to Beth when she went to the Internet café.
Just like the other adults in this case, they have all had a choice. Greta went to talk to them and Nadira called the police and said she was yelling Killer at the house.
There was a story on here she was fired for stealing.
She also said all big people lie as an excuse for why someone would lie to the police in the crucial times a person is missing at first.
They are trying to collect big bucks for defammation of character? Now how could you defame your character any more then they have themselves?
Joran claims Deepak raped and buried her, Deepak claims Joran raped her.
Joran claims they didn’t go to the lighthouse based on a guard at the lighthouse and Deepak says they went and Joran was doing all kinds of sexual stuff to her, can quote what the volume his radio is at all times, can tell you exact speed he was doing everywhere, but he suddenly gets amnesia when asked what Paulus said when they all got together and he can’t remember if Joran went to school and they met with Joran outside the club to talk the next evening. What was Deepak and Joran up to the night the cops arrived. Deepak claims they got back to the house after the call from Paulus, before Jug or Charles Croes say they even arrived at the Van der Sloots that night to talk to Joran.
Lies, Lies, Lies, and they all did anything and everything to keep the parents from knowing what happened to their daughter after they were the last 3 with her and still lying.
I don’t praise anyone who has behaved like that.
When I think of courage, I think of the men and women in uniform putting everyone else above themselves for the common good of others. I think of Ron Goldman or Beth Holloway and Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, the cops who put themselves in harm’s way to protect others. Deepak and Satish, Courage? Sorry, I don’t see it.
That didn’t come out right!
Carpe:
You’ve seen the Body in the Bag.
In fact, you have been working
with some frames from the Chicago
Videos, specifically, the body in
the bag…
Do you think that Natalee, or any
one for that matter, could be dead
for two weeks and remain in that
condition?
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SM: Keep in mind, we have no way of knowing exactly when that video was actually taken. All we know for sure is when it was uploaded to the aru-bay site. It could have actually be taken any time. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with what people see in the bag, just saying we don’t know the date of the video..we are ony guessing the date. (klaasend)
We’re lead to believe she is dead, but where is the proof, I don’t discount the idea of abduction, Paulus has connections with Venezuela, she could of been injured by Joran, and no one was going to take the blame, a judge in training, this cannot ruin my career, so they sent her into sex slavery…that is not a preposterous idea..!!! Too many ?’s unanswered!!! The answer is with Paulus….and with the help of Straaten…!!!! WHERE IS NATALEE!!!!
How’d Anita know what underwear Natalee had?
How’d Paulus know Natalee was dead?
How’d Paulus know that they’d never find Natalee?
How’d C. Croes know Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee?
Was Anita ever brought in for questioning?
If we throw out all the statements made by the suspects, these above people have information about what happened. Sooo how many other people know and are just keeping quite?
Maggie:
Come on.
Some of those things are just, plain silly.
Do you remember them being face to face with Joran and yelling, “That lie was for YOU”?
You know what happened. You’re not stupid. The long call at three o’clock in the morning was, obviously, the call concerning Natalee. The longest call that was ever made to them should tell YOU something.
What does a drug dealer do when he thinks that he may be visited by the police?
CLEAN HIS CAR!!!!
I really don’t want to embarrace you with the logical… but I will take on the one where Nadira said that BIG people lie. Was SHE lying?
Touching a girl with the car? (Notice it does not say THE girl)….
Joran also said, “I am going to tell things ABOUT you”
and having a gun? Joran has a gun, too. So what?
The lighthouse - we all know - and they have admitted that they lied. They even told the authorities WHY they lied. It is because of them that we are even aware of the conversation around the pool and Paulus was arrested.
Is a person unredeemable in your book?
That’s not the way that the Holloways feel and that’s not the way Natalee was either.
And then the money… who care’s about the MONEY? Do you think that the judges ruling has anything to do with money? Please, CBS has deep enough pockets to defend themselves? How do you know that the film was not editted to make it sound like Deepak said something he didn’t? That’s what this is all about. And you just got a ruling that benefits the family of Natalee Holloway and all you guys can do is come after me because I say that I’m happy?
You can pick my words apart all you want. Courage was the word I used. It, certainly, is not a cowardly thing to do to come here and try to clear up something.
Besides, how do you know that this whole thing is not a deal being made betweeen the parties to get at information that will solve the murder of Natalee Holloway? Did you ever think of that? No… you’d rather belly ache and pick people apart because they have a NEW perception of things.
This is one post that is not so good, Maggie.
This is now… not then; and it is obvious that you don’t see that. Fast forward a couple years, please.
Where does it show that Satish and Deepak are drug dealers, to explain why they cleaned their car the same night after Natalee was in it?
Big people may lie, but she’s explaining why her son’s lied to the cops repeatedly. I don’t know big people who lie to the cops and try to explain it like that.
In Joran’s Greta interview, he said Deepak still says they went to the Lighthouse. Joran only changed his to say they didn’t after he saw a police statement by a guard.
It isn’t because of them we know about the conversations around the pool. They didn’t come forward and tell that,, they told Mickey Johns that. Deepak went on to say in his police reports, he couldn’t remember what Paulus said to them.
I never did say CBS is worried about the money or the judge. I said Deepak and Satish are wanting the money, not vice versa. If they really wanted to come clean they would get their butts in touch with Beth and her lawyers and come clean. NOTTTT be in court in California asking for money and their lawyer saying even if they were told to turn them over they wouldn’t. Why not put it all out on the table if they truly want to come clean?
Noone is stopping them from coming clean with proper authorites. Deepak had no problem calling a girl to lie for him, when he thought he was spotted by a witness.
They were the ones who at first threw an entire investigation off in the most crucial hours of a child is missing not just hours but days and days and let 2 innocent men sit in jail for kidnapping and murder.
I don’t see anything courageous about coming to the USA to ask for money for yourself blaming someone for defaming your character after all they engaged in to defame it themselves. There is nothing honorable about anything these people have done.
I don’t speak for what the Holloways want or feel except for what they’ve posted on interviews or anything. I have never seen anywhere that Dave or Beth says they believe the Kalpoes have been redeemed. They have tried twice in 2 courts to bring lawsuits against the Kalpoes and the Sloots and lost on jurisdiction efforts. You have to come clean and pay the price to get redemption. You can’t come here and ask for money and then not cooperate with what the court says.
I will hold my judgement on the film of Dr. Phil’s, but I have seen people on both sides listen to that tape and say he say we did and then others who said we didn’t. I don’t believe Dr. Phil needs money or publicity so bad he would alter a tape. Edit for time, yes.
Fast forward 2 years? I have guess what, they still have conflicting stories pointing fingers at each other and refused to talk to the cops anymore, refused to go watch the tape when the cops offered them to come in.
Interesting thought regarding this Kalpoe suit….
It has been brought up as a theory in the past that the Kalpoe suit was brought in order to protect the Kalpoes from being framed by ALE, PVDS, and Joran.
Perhaps this is true. Think about it. The KLPD was asked to ‘Review’ the evidence one year ago. How long does it take to ‘review’ evidence. In the meantime, the Kalpoes smell a rat….they are going to get stuck with the crime by the KLPD and ALE. Kalpoes file suit knowing that the potential for discovery will contradict the “fix” that the KLPD and ALE were working on.
This theory would explain why the KLPD seems to have become impotent on this case because the discovery will show not only has all of Aruba covered up…..but now the KLPD is helping cover-up too.
What a cluster…
It will be interesting to see the next steps taken by the Kalpoes. Perhaps they appeal the decision which will add another 3-6 months until the appellate court rules. This would mean the KLPD won’t do anything for another 3-6 months. They are starting to look VERY foolish now that it has already been a year for them to ‘review’ the evidence in the case.
How many more worthless visits to PVDS home are we going to see as they ‘collect more evidence’….ummm, KLPD you are reviewing the case….you are not collecting more evidence.
The Kalpoes will never produce the discovery documents….but they may continue to drag this out to prevent the KLPD and Aruba for framing them with the entire crime.
Shame on Aruba….shame on the KLPD.
md
Maggie:
Look.
I’m sorry for being so harsh.
I want you to think about what we’re here for.
We’re here to support the families of the
missing and exploited. We’re here to show encouragement… the bright side of things.
The front page has become nothing more than a
bidding war… a popularity contest, with no
regard to how we are perceived by the victim’s family. This case has taken so much out of what used to be loving, happy people that they can’t even rejoice without predicting the outcome, which is usually ALWAYS doom. Oh, it’s all lies. Oh, it will never work. Oh, these people are such jerks. Oh, Oh, Oh. It’s all sour grapes.
So what do you do? If you’re a family member, you never visit. Who wants to hear the BS as someone called it today.
The Holloways have moved away from May 30, 2005. They have to live with the stress that comes with all that life has to offer, plus some. We need to do that, too. Especially, when we are commenting on a news article that is current and drastically effects their lives.
Instead of well-wishers, we have tallys. People drop by to give their two-cents worth that doesn’t even address the needs of the family… only their own opinion. And sometimes, it’s not even that. It’s a smear on someone… hate mail.
Is that what Scared Monkeys is about, do you think?
How anyone can think that it takes “courage” to come the USA to try to bilk big bucks out of Dr. Phil, I’ve got no clue.
Courage would be to tell a grieving family where to find their daughter’s body.
Courage would be to tell authorities and a grieving family every ounce of evidence that you have.
There was a time when I had questions as to whether the Kalpoe brothers were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. But we know from following their statements and conversation with Joran in the police car that there is information they have about that night that they have not given. We know for example that Deepak covered for Joran about the text messaging. We know that Deepak and Satish MUST know something in order to lie for Joran, in meeting with Joran and Paulus, in allowing Paulus to pay for their attorneys.
There is nothing within these boys that I can identify as courage. Their actions speak of greed. and I am appalled that anyone sees it for more than it is.
Finally, I do not believe that Dr. Phil would endanger a long credible career for a couple seconds of sensational video tape that was doctored. I don’t believe it was doctored, but if it was, I don’t believe Dr. Phil knew. I don’t think Jamie Skeeters would risk his reputation on phony video that Deepak would obviously deny. It makes no sense. What does make sense is that Deepak was involved in what happened to Natalee because of all the filth he spewed forth about her.
Do you think that Natalee, or any
one for that matter, could be dead
for two weeks and remain in that
condition?
…
Yes, I do if the remains were bagged at the time
of death and placed under refrigeration
at the direction of that gang-raping, murdering,
piece of filth, Paulus Vandersloot.
Do I think that Natalee had been lying
in the MARRIOTT 24 BASIN, out in the heat,
for 10 whole days?
Absolutely not.
That area had been searched
already, and Paulus Vandersloot
the Aruban sexual predator,
knew that! He was busy sweating his li’l
pom-poms off tryin’ to figger out
what the heck he was gonna do with
her. imo -j4n
There was supposed to have been a boy that was from Columbia found that day. He supposedly had
been missing for two years. They said that he
had been buried there.
……
I didn’t see even one of
those ALE guys
carrying a shovel or digging
equipment.
A very persistent cat couldn’t
successfully bury a turd in that Aruban rock
armed with 2 sticks of dynamite and a
jackhammer…
Do you really think they could have buried a
deceased 7 year old Columbian boy in that spot
for 1 - 2 whole years?
I don’t think I do.
I guess we’ll see how things turn out.
I’m hoping that the Kalpoes have the courage to stay in the suit so that the family can receive important documents to uncover the corruption on Aruba.
And… perhaps I’m wrong in my perception, but at least I have the character to stand behind my word.
There is no doubt about it, the Kalpoes are not innocent in every regard, but they are victims of the corruption in Aruba, just as countless others are. Where they made their mistake is that they trusted the corruption and banked on it to cover up what they WERE guilty of… dealing drugs.
The point that I wanted to make is that there are only two people willing to talk, if they are serious about this lawsuit. Good or bad what they are attempting to do is very dangerous. They are trying to break themselves free of the corruption that binds them; and, like I said earlier, that takes a lot of courage. In that sense I applaud what they are doing and I hope that it will benefit the family in finding the answers that they need to put all this behind them if that is at all possible.
I think this lawsuit is the key that will unlock the door to the corruption that kept Natalee hidden for nearly two weeks. Deepak knows what happened to Natalee, Freddy told him. Now, if he will, only, tell us.
Peace be with you all. Thank you for giving me the right to my own opinion. I got a couple of bruises, but all in all it’s not so bad going against the grain.
Just don’t call me a troll. (Smile)
Patti
#96 Md,
Awesome post! I agree with your perspective, it could definitely be true.
I feel that I have clearly seen all along that not only was Aruba covering this up but The Dutch as well, Hence the statement from beth, “boycott the nether land Antilles and Aruba”
In fact I think the Dutch might be more corrupt in this whole mess Than Aruba is. Only time will tell.
Justice for Natalee.
Boycott Aruba, Island of no morals.
After all the theories, finger pointing, and bleeding heart rationalizations, in the end it all comes down to one thing. The one thing we do know:
An American female tourist drove off into the night with three adolescent boys. They returned, she did not, and they then lied about it.
That to me is a clear cut case of foul play.
To put faith in that that kind suspicious individual, seems extremely naive.
# 101 WE don’t care what TROLLS think.
Possible resting place for Natalee.
http://www.gudlyf.com/photos/aruba03/goldmine1.jpg
Although originally an advocate of cremation, I do feel that too many would be involved to maintain secrecy. Two old friends could have placed Natalee in his SUV and taken her about 3 kilometers from Montana and placed her down one of these airshafts, near the Gold Mine Ruin. These extend downward almost 800 feet and the water is not supposed to leech out to the ocean. However anything may be possible including bones appearing on Aruba’s shores.
An original plea from Oduber.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruba-asks-netherlands-for-help-amigoe.html
The latest issue of AAA World;
“Experience the Outback of Aruba”.
We can express our displeasure in the article by writing to:
AAA World
1 River Place
Wilmington DE 19801
Thank you 1906…will do..Tshirts are soon going to be available for whomever is attending TRAVEL SHOWS…Next one coming is in NEW JERSEY…TAJ MAHAL in ATLANTIC CITY…END OF OCTOBER..If you can go please email JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Patti said….
“I want you to think about what we’re here for.
We’re here to support the families of the
missing and exploited. We’re here to show encouragement… the bright side of things.
The front page has become nothing more than a
bidding war… a popularity contest, with no
regard to how we are perceived by the victim’s family. This case has taken so much out of what used to be loving, happy people that they can’t even rejoice without predicting the outcome, which is usually ALWAYS doom. Oh, it’s all lies. Oh, it will never work. Oh, these people are such jerks. Oh, Oh, Oh. It’s all sour grapes.
So what do you do? If you’re a family member, you never visit. Who wants to hear the BS as someone called it today.
The Holloways have moved away from May 30, 2005. They have to live with the stress that comes with all that life has to offer, plus some. We need to do that, too. Especially, when we are commenting on a news article that is current and drastically effects their lives.”
*****
Awww, Patti, why’d you have to go and say those things and add confirmations to my suspicion that you might a troll here to create a subtle pissing match in hopes the family will not have anywhere to come and find support absent of ridiculous intermittent ‘nice things’ said about the evil bandits who took Natalee from them. (the less subtle ones having not worked, so ’subtle’ allows a troll to stay awhile longer)
You see, when you say -The front page is a popularity contest and bidding war and are concerned about how Natalee’s family ‘reads’ the posters-, you are IMO talking about yourself, not us because I don’t see any of the rest of us doing those things nor do I read them feeling that way by their posts, so it says something to me about guilty feelings. And when you add that the family might not read here if things get out of control/stressful to read, then IMO you might as well be stating your motive for being here.
And you go stating that you KNOW Natalee got her hand chopped off by someone with a hand fetish that he used to torture people with….a HAND FETISH? LOL….such reminds me of other bizarre and unnecessary comments made by the VDS’s but moreso the style of the Kalpoes to UPSET emotions with too much detail.
I have to admit though, you’re quite good at *cough cough* saying how awful it was what happened to Natalee, even though even Joran can say that with a straight face (while knowing he had a direct hand in it). And you seem to be quite angry with ‘Jan the Man’; couple that with your defense of the Kalpoes having been ‘FORCED into being TRAPPED into this case’ and here’s what I get from it….Jan was only covering for Joran and the Kalpoes are mad at Jan.
Most of our trolls have come here for Joran. Maybe it was only a matter of time before the Kalpoes got one, so maybe you’re it?
BTW, SATISH had the hots for Natalee? SATISH thought she was really cool in a respectable way? What is that all about, Patti? Satish didn’t even ever talk to Natalee according to all reports. Where are you getting that Satish was like her BFF?
Was Satish the one Nadira said protested the ill treatment Natalee was receiving in the car? Or did Satish grow to love her while taking his turn babysitting her while she was being held captive for several days? I’m really curious to hear you explain why and HOW you can say Satish was so ‘into’ Natalee!
Was it true that Joran didn’t expect Satish to come along? Is Satish the missing link in this equation? One who can’t tell on any part of what went down without involving his own brother?
I don’t think so really. I think Satish may have been supposed to be Natalee’s date, lured by Joran for Satish after Satish picked her out while stalking her. Joran did, afterall, try to get a date for himself with his own gf, Flo. And Joran was way too aloof in his interactions with Natalee, prior to her going off with him, to have me believe she was intended to be HIS date. And didn’t Joran himself say he got dates for his dark skinned friends who normally had trouble getting dates from white tourists?
I’m not saying Satish did Natalee in. I’d rather think Natalee protested the swap to Satish, Joran assumed she was a racist because of it and kicked her in the head.
Deepak? He makes remarks that Natalee looked and acted like a ’slut’….that could have an entirely different meaning than what we’ve discussed on here before. Deepak could be excusing himself for making a mistake in the selection of Natalee for his virgin brother Satish. It might go something like this in translation….I thought she was a slut so I went along with it for Satish.
What do the Kalpoes know? I’m not sure what all in my mind they might know, but I am pretty sure they at least know Natalee was taken under false pretenses to be Satish’s lay that night and it’s possible Satish backed out of the actual rape because he had admired her from afar all week and actually DID develop feelings for her as a person in his own mind, unlike Joran and Deepak, IF what you/Patti say about Satish’s feelings for Natalee are not just pure speculation on your part. (speculation, I might add, about something that has never been stated anywhere before you brought it up, that I know of anyway. Correct me if I’m wrong about this tidbit being first and only said by Patti, please.)
Of course, none of this explains what happened to Natalee in the end. I still think that was the doings of Paulus and his buddy Jan to cover for Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee after 2K left them after Joran injured her…got scared and left him to face the music alone.
It would not surprise me if Jan brought the cocaine for Paulus. You know those cops confiscate a lot of drugs so it’s really easy to get without bothering the dealers. Cocaine is often used to make a passed out person alert for a little while in order that they might be able to wake up and get the heck out of the VDS’s realm of responsibility. Maybe when Natalee was still asleep in the little brother’s bed the next morning, ole Jan brought something to wake her up so she could be dropped off and go on her merry way. Didn’t happen, and the cocaine killed her?
Jan might know she is dead because he was directly involved in it, but he is not required to rat on himself, so that could be why no one is pushing the issue of his saying he saw the evidence she’s dead and not doing anything more about it. To take it further, he’d have to tell on himself, and that’s not required by law no matter what!
If the above involvment of Jan were true, do I think the Kalpes know? No. I think the Kalpoes were told all would be well because Jan the Man (as Joran would probably call him) was going to take care of everything. I think the Kalpoes at the time trusted that, but as the case is still not officially closed after 2 years, the Kalpoes are becoming antsy about being framed by Jan and the VDS’s for the entire thing.
If they K’s really want this to end the best way it can for them, they will let the Dr Phil case go forward. They might be implicit in many things, but bad choices do not make a good excuse to keep making more bad choices. Getting out with the least possible damage does.
Patti speaks of the Kalpes being repentant. They are not repentant for what they did. They might be, however, ready to move on and take responsibililty for their part as the only way to move on. So Joran…watch out! The Kalpoes might grow a set of gonads and Manup!
#105
That pic of the air shaft certainly seems to be a strong possibililty!
I wish I still had a way to contact that psychic lady who said Natalee was with other girls not buried but lying on top of each other more or less. She had posted about it just prior to the Crypts being broken into, so at that time I thought lying on top of one another unburied might have meant the Crypts. The psychic did say though that she/they were underground, but I just poofed that off since psychics don’t get all the details right anyway and still thought the crypts anyway….BUT, an old air shaft might do the trick!
I’m sure there are more pits on that island. I’m trying to recall what else the psychic said about that in particular….she did mention rocks, but I think she also said there was some sparse rough grasses around the place, and she did mention wetness that comes and goes and something about the layers in between the girls not being dirt, but more like just a bunch of random debris with some soil mixed in. She said the soil was not sand, I do remember that clearly.
If anyone on Aruba were serious about finding Natalee they should drop some cameras into all the pits on the island including old wells.
DM#107 and 108- Good job…WOW!!! I recall something around then didnt she also say there was a tree shading her sometimes?? Im not sure. I cant believe Patti said all of those things…what numer was it so I can read back…Sounds like Patti just might be a TROLL…
If the Kalpoes wanted to express moral courage they could have done that along time ago. I’d like to hear the rest of Deepak’s story as he said Natalee hit her head and something bad happened. Just what? We only get partial statements and then left with no final conclusion. Joran does the same thing.
Well, I hope the case moves forward. Those documents are going to be hard to sift through because of all the alterations done by Paulus. But it would be interesting to see what they have to say.
Please do not use the word “Kalpoes” and “courage” in the same sentence. If they stay in the lawsuit, it is out of greed. They want their 800 million bucks. What a joke.
I hope they continue the lawsuit. And yes, some important info
may come from it.
But the motivation is GREED on the part of the Kalpoes.
The only honorable thing I would like to see the perps do is to fall on their swords, figuratively and literally. I doubt that I will see either one.
More ways to help:
http://therealarubatruth.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-you-can-help.html
And everyone, please remember the upcoming NJ (Atlantic City) event at the end of October. Please stand up for Natalee; she needs you!
Hey… this is a good thing.. is there a deadline for the submission ? Or does it just fiz-zizzle when the documents asked for are not provided ?
Hello to all .. and Carpe too !!
I don’t think 101 could have
said it more like that stinking
pile Nadira Ramirez, if it had
been “Mrs. Kalpoe” HERSELF!!!
Only, I have a feeling that idiot would have
needed more help with her spelling.
(half smiles - dribbles down chin)
…
Justice for Nat!
BOYCOTT ARUBA
Nurterer,
You got that right with 103. They all admit
to being with her in her final hours.
Where is
she?
We are not all dreaming this. It is not some
freaky drug trip administered by Gerold Dompig’s
brother, Boeti.
ARUBA allows their government to behave like a
freak show. They think what happened to her is
okay, or in some way was her fault.
…
WHERE’S NATALEE?
WHERE’S NATALEE?
WHERE’S NATALEE?
It is not okay.
It was not her fault!
…
Jan Vanderstraaten, Paulus, Joran, Deepak, and Satish have those answers, still! People need
to continue asking these scum those questions,
over and over, day after day.
They know, period.
-j4n
Patti said: The Holloways have moved away from
May 30th, 2005
OH REALLY Patti…..have they now and do tell us how you know this.
“Stole” this from the forum. The comments on the site, looks like it’s talking about corruption. BTW Klaas, I love the JibJab stuff.. LOL, that is so funny.. I love that site.
Reaccion encuanto keho contra Trudy Hassel
Friday, 14 September 2007
Den un matutino local a sali un articulo dia 12 di september 2007 relaciona cu un keho cu a ser entrega contra Comisario di Polis ( relaciona cu amenaza)Sra. Trudy Hassel y di un caso di un agente policial cu lo a saca un menor na estado. Cuerpo Policial ta reacciona riba e noticia aki. Click read more pa mas informacion.
Den e articulo menciona ta ser insinua cu Cuerpo Policial no a tuma e medidanan necesario pa salvaguarda e integridad di e cuerpo. Relaciona cu tur dos caso Alto Comisario a laga hasi e investigacionnan necesario. Den e caso di e Comisario, e investigacion ta andando ainda. Tur esnan concerni ta na haltura di con esaki ta canando correctamente.
Den e caso di e agente policial cu a tene relacion cu e menor di edad, ta asina cu investigacion a wordo hasi den e caso aki y no a constata ningun hecho castigabel. Pa splica esaki mihor, den un caso asina Ley ta exigi cu pa polis por persigui un persona pa tene relacion cu un hoben di 13 of 14 anja, e mayor of Voogd mester entrega un keho oficial na Jeugd & Zeden Politie. Solamente den e caso di un hoben di 12 anja of menos e keho ey no ta necesario y polis por persiguie sin ordo di e mayornan.
Den e caso aki e mayor/representante legal di e hoben no a entrega keho ya cu e tabata di acuerdo cu e relacion entre su yiu y e agente policial. E matrimonio a ser contrae y awendia nan dos ta casa pa ley y ta forma un famia.
Cuerpo Policial ta spera cu mediante di e comunicado aki por a clarifica e asunto aki di manera satisfactorio pa tur esanan envolvi y asina yuda demostra un biaha mas e seriedad di nos Cuerpo y e transparencia den cual esaki ta funciona.
God, these people are sick. Cop getting a 12 year old girl pregnant. Even has a lawyer to defend him. Where are the parents of these little girls and what kind of “Man” sleeps with 12 and 13 year old girls?
This is a rough short translation by Sandy Leiva .
This case is about a complaint for dismissal against a fellow officer who. got a 12 yr old pregnant. The police commisioner wants the officer fired. The officers lawyers say if he marrys the girl there is nothing the commissoner can do to you. They are not yet married as the girl is too young to give consent legally and would need her parents.
permission. case still pending
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2208/8/
(half smiles - dribbles down chin)
lmao & (wipes Carpe’s chin)
Hey Maggie!
Even with everything we do know about Skull Island, in our gut we know that we’ve only scratched the surface of the evil & debauchery thats there.
(the other day you said you were grateful for all that come here and we are grateful to have you too.)
[…] stories and have contradicted themselves more times than most can keep track of. Even the Kalpoes after suing Dr Phil in the US are doing a Texas Two Step in wanting to give up the info in the Natalee Holloway […]
#ll8, why is it that aruba lawyers and politicians think you should not be punished for crimes in the past? what the officer does now has nothing redeeming at all for what he did a month ago. who would want a police officer on their force who thinks having sex with a l2 yr. old is permissible? the officer should be in jail for pedophilia, not having his lawyers negotiating for his job. i’m beginning to feel a little better about this police commissioner. there may be hope yet.
dennisintn
hiya kat gram.
…
Natalee and family pic
http://tinyurl.com/yqbw2m
ty Mayan. I never knew Natalee in real life. I’m sure she was every bit as wonderful as her family and friends say and more. I feel like I do know her now. I know I will never forget her and the horrible injustice she and her family has fought for years. Noone deserves the fate handed any of them. They did their homework and saw one big happy safe island and thought there would be policemen and others in place to protect her. Natalee had a false sense of security with her friends around.
Since then we have learned about a very dark side that exists in Aruba. Instead of some people in high jobs standing up and demanding answers to what happened, they chose the low road, defending any kind of sick, twisted behaviour and trying to justify it by trashing innocent victims. Money and Tourism is more important than a young girl’s life. That should speak volumes to any tourist.
Joran and the Kalpoes trashes Natalee just like they say OJ does Nicole in his new book. Like they said anything good about Nicole was because of him and anything bad is her fault, is how he sees it. He’s the saviour. Nooneee in their right mind would believe an 18 year old girl who’s is NOT drunk or not impairedm as he saysm would say I want to stay on the beach alone in the dark and look at stars, not even in their own hometown. By him saying that another way to imply she was crazy.
MD dad I too believe Paulus and Joran are in this up to their necks. I don’t believe that Deepak and Satish went home and took showers and ate, then went to Joran’s house to wait on him, and drive him to CnC to wait around on him, then Deepak is out ahead of time with the car waiting while Joran takes her off to a side bar on the way out for a nice shot of rum151 and out the door to the car. Natalee says I’m riding back to the hotel with the other group of MB students and then ends up with those 3 driving away. Deepak and Satish are driving Joran around and stopping here and there, then let him out at the beach and Satish goes to bed and Deepak goes to the PC and says don’t worry Joran we will get out of bed or stop what we are doing , just to pick you up and drive you home and Natalee to her hotel. Nor do I believe Joran walked home. I don’t even believe they were ever at the beach, unless it was to get rid of her body. Joran has been trying to throw them under the bus for a long time, but the Kalpoes have been trying to throw them under the bus also. Then they go out before daylight cleaning their car twice in one night? Others in this group could’ve been in Carlos N Charlies that night also. The MB students wouldn’t know them or recognize them. I’ve felt for a long time Natalee was drugged on her way out and had to be taken to the car fast before it took effect.
I didn’t know Natalee in life either but i have lived in alot of the places Natalee & the family has lived in, including living in Clinton, Ms several years as a preteen like Natalee.
Natalee did everything any parent and society as a whole wants for it’s young people, to study hard and stay out of trouble. What happened to her in Aruba is a travesty & i believe her spirit does cry out for justice. Not just for her but all other’s who travel there.
Regarding the main point here … the impact of the California judge’s decision … I agree with those who point out that the U.S. has no way of enforcing its laws on Aruba. It can forward things to the Aruban government; any action thereafter is in that government’s balliwick.
I think that Aruba should realize that it has a golden chance to reverse its obstructionist policies of the past two years and more. But if we believe, as many (if not most) of us do, that a conspiracy of AT LEAST some key players has been in place to protect certai