Has The Trap Been Sprung On The Kalpoe Brothers?


Has greed done its job on the Kalpoe brothers, leading them into the trap with the delicious smell of unearned gains (a trend or character defect?). Our Vanderbilt thinks so with his latest cartoon. My guess, so do the Holloway and Twitty Families along with their attorney John Q. Kelly.


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  • Comments

    316 Responses to “Has The Trap Been Sprung On The Kalpoe Brothers?”

    1. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 8:25 am

      Vanderbilt excellent as always.
      I wonder what rats will run and hide now.
      If Kalpos drop the case are they still held to Natalee/JKQ case here in LA, what if they just don’t respond, what happens then?

    2. Minnesota Dad on December 15th, 2006 9:51 am

      Vanderbilt forgot to add “DOES 1 through 100″ to that trap!

      The lawsuit is not only against the two Kalpoes, but against ‘John Does’ to be named later as discovery uncovers other perps and those who assisted the cover-up.

      Translated….this suit is not only against the Kalpoes…but against Joran and Paulus and everyone else that participated in the murder and the cover-up. As discovery proceeds, they will be added.

      Wonderful…Kalpoes create jurisdiction that brings the Sloots back in! This is too humorous to be true.

      Further, the Sloots NY case was dismissed without prejudice…meaning that they can have their butts hauled into a different court that shows jurisdiction. We have jurisdiction now in CA….

      You know none of these losers are going to show up in CA….but, that will just further cement that they are hiding a crime.

      Anybody seen Joe Taco lately???


    3. Carpe Noctem on December 15th, 2006 9:52 am

      P O P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



      “He Aint HEAVYYYYYY, he’s my Kalpoe Brotherrrrrrr!”

      Eat ‘em smile, boys. ;-)

      Welcome to THE US of A!


    4. Carpe Noctem on December 15th, 2006 9:54 am

      Mr. Vanderbilt, your new pic made my week. TY

    5. Sharon Chicago on December 15th, 2006 10:00 am

      I BET THE KALPOES do not like what John Q. Kelly is now saying and thought that they had a right to sue Dr. Phil and get away with it, based on the tape analysis in Aruba.

      Joran probably feels a little victory since the focus and
      finger pointing is on the Kalpoes…but not to worry Joran,
      we won’t leave you lonley…you are next!

    6. airgame12 on December 15th, 2006 10:12 am

      I certainly hope so!!! But here is what also may happen. They go through with the civil case, say nothing that will get them convicted in Aruba, lose the suit, and never pay a dime and still walk free. Look at OJ as a example.

    7. Freebrid on December 15th, 2006 10:19 am

      How sweet the cheese will be! I can’t wait, where there are 2 little rats the head rat is not far behind!

    8. airgame12 on December 15th, 2006 10:20 am

      Also, here is another posibility……they flip the script in the civil case to pin it on Joran, and Aruba throws Joran under the prison! Wouldnt that be priceless!

    9. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 10:39 am

      JKQ is a smart man, this may very well be a opportunity for the Klaphoes and John Doe’s to rat out Joran.

    10. Annette Woodbury on December 15th, 2006 11:14 am

      California Courts love procecuting high profile gang rapists. They put a Max Factor heir in prison for life. They also nailed a Newport area police chief’s son for filming the gang rape on the chief’s pool table. The Kapoes could not have chosen a better court to give juristiction.

    11. Jillian on December 15th, 2006 11:17 am

      How silly. This did not work in NY nor will it work in CA. All of you think the lawyers for the Kalpoes do not know what they are doing? The issue is the edited Skeeters tape. The issue is Phil.

    12. Kat_Gram on December 15th, 2006 11:34 am

      That cartoon is so appropriate. The Skeeters tape if viewed or read in full gives insight into the character or lack thereof of Deepak. Greed seemed to be a big motivator and that appears to be his undoing.
      The USA has a jury system. Unlike Aruba.
      Even if there is a settlement in the case they will never see a dime. It will all go for lawyers fees to fight the wrongful death suit. Any leftovers will go to the family.

    13. joe bear on December 15th, 2006 11:35 am

      maybe the k2′s are trying to save themselves,by being sued and pointing the finger back at the real killer,joran.they don’t mind losing.no assets,legaly,that can be taken.I think they are scared.Who is the Chicago lawyer and is he connected to posner.

    14. JusticeforNatalee on December 15th, 2006 11:36 am


      This is different from the NY case.

      The Kalpoes filed first in CA and that action established CA jurisdiction.

    15. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 11:51 am

      I wonder could the Kalopes be using this suit to get away from Aruba, in the event that their may be retaliation in Aruba from some of the big wigs involved in the murder of Natalee, they would be too many people that could get them in Aruba than in the USA?

      Who are the lawyers representing the Kelpoes

    16. Jillian on December 15th, 2006 11:52 am


      No it is not different. That was the reasoning used in the NY case…Paulus and Joran step foot on US soil, NY, and JQK says that gave them jurisdiction for a lawsuit. The NY judge did not agree. There IS jurisdiction for a lawsuit against a CA production company…however, if there was a crime committed in Aruba, jurisdiction is still in Aruba not the US. I don’t care who the lawyers are for the Kalpoes..I believe Phil manipulated the tape, Skeeters said nothing, and if I had given an interview saying I did not do something and it got changed, you bet I would sue.

    17. super dave on December 15th, 2006 12:07 pm

      # 11: HOW SILLY CAN YOU BE ? it doesn’t matter. the kalpoops probably won’t show and that will further their guilt and involvement in this case. if they do show, they will tell all to save whatever they can of themselves.
      JQK knows that they will be the ones to crack. they are weak and if they implicate any of the others, there will be a lot of sleeping with mommy and peeing of the footie pajamas. i bet that is already happening !

    18. Katablog on December 15th, 2006 12:08 pm

      To use Arlene’s script: you just don’t understand USA law. There is NO question that the K2s are now submitted to the CA court’s jurisdiction. I not only say this, but Greta and her lawyer team say it; but most importantly (you don’t have to believe us) US law says it. You cannot expect to sue in a US court and still not give the courts jurisdiction.

      What K2′s lawyers are planning, I have no clue. But again, I don’t believe that Jamie Skeeters would garbage his reputation on doctoring a tape. I think we will find out the original tape is not doctored and what what played on Dr. Phil is a true representation of that portion of the original tape.

      That can only mean that the K2 have lied to their lawyers. But then in the famous words of Mama Kalpoe, “everyone lies”.

      This simply has to be a contingency case. The K2 couldn’t afford it – well unless some law firm is hoping to make a name for itself out of this. But I find it doubtful that they would trust these two when there is so much evidence pointing to their complicity in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Then again, there are dumb attorneys; just look at Nifong.

      Even if the tape was altered (that would indeed be a bombshell), I can’t see where it holds much money for the Kalpoes. As I’ve said over and over, in defamation cases you have to prove that the wrongful actions truly caused damage and then submit evidence of the damage. It’s not like the K2 had promising careers!

      I mean let’s say that it’s proven the k2 and mama were damaged to the point that they could not get employment. Okay, tell me you thing Mama made more that about $35,000 a year and that either boy had any potential to make that much. Play that out for say 20 years and it simply ain’t enough money to pay the lawyers!

      Okay, so may the next argument is that they just wanted to clear their names. Clear their names? From what? From someone saying they raped Natalee? They are murder suspects! They lied to the court! They fingered innocent men! These are all true things about their reputations. Mama went on TV saying really dumb things including contradicting herself about what time the boys got home. Mama was really pissed when she couldn’t get that tape back from Dr. Phil with her own admissions on it! That is going to be one real big problem because it shows this suit against Dr. Phil is based on revenge.

      Sorry, the Kalpoe family is in deep doo doo!

    19. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 12:09 pm


      By the very fact that the Koplas brought suit against Dr. Phil and the others, now they are subject to questioning about the crime. First the K brothers have to prove they did not say that, how are they going to do that?

      Also, if this tape was altered and the word is altered, why didn’t the Dutch persue this as a basis of perjury, bring false testimony, or obstruction of an investigation, I find that strange, after the Dutch did have the tape?

    20. Kat_Gram on December 15th, 2006 12:13 pm

      The others whose names are going to be filled in under the Doe’s
      1 to 100 are probably the same as whose is on Santa’s BAD list.
      This is as DELICIOUS as a piece of sinful chocolate cheesecake with
      whipping cream and a marichino cherry and sprinkles on top.
      Let’s just savor it for a while.
      And don’t forget about Jossy’s taped interview with Gerald Dompig,
      who was the lead investigator at the time he was interviewed.
      He said the Kalpoes and Joran are as guilty as hell.

    21. dave on December 15th, 2006 12:20 pm


      Go educate yourself on the facts then come back and make a intelligent comment. Jeez some people.

    22. dkpen on December 15th, 2006 12:29 pm

      #16 Jillian

      The tape was not manipulated. It was “edited” for an hour programming show. There is no way you can fit the entire Skeeters tape on one show. This is why it’s called “editting”. Nothing was manipulated.

      As far as jurisdiction goes, yes it is now in CA jurisdiction since Kalpoes filed in CA themselves.

      All will be watching and listening.

      Justice for Natalee~

    23. Richard on December 15th, 2006 12:44 pm

      I also hope that the Dr. Phil show will file suit against the Kalpoes. One assumes that there are enough legal grounds, as it seems anyone can sue anyone for anything.

    24. joe bear on December 15th, 2006 12:46 pm

      the ca.lawyer is 30.Even he knows E&O ins.lawyers don’t settle before depo’s,admissions(which are probaly already filed and the clock is running)and interogatories.This from Dr Phil’s lawyers.Their cA. LAWYERS KNOWS THIS.Who is the lawyer in Chiacgo and is there a mob tie in.Are trying to protect themselves from long prison terms,that joran earned,or pitbull’s fate.Joe the growling Bear

    25. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 1:01 pm

      Okay, look at this logically, if skeeters altered that tape and was working with JQK, do you think JKQ would risk knowing that?
      I don’t think so, JQK is a man with an enormous amount of intergrity, (look at the people that he has helped, most victoms) would he risk his immaculate reputation on the Kanaplos?

    26. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 1:07 pm

      Don’t forget JQK with the OJ civil suit?

    27. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 1:34 pm

      John Q Kelly
      He was the attorney for the Nicole Simpson family civil suit.

    28. Richard on December 15th, 2006 1:37 pm

      I have spoken with people who have (or who say they have) heard the original Jamie Skeeters tape, and even they don’t agree on what they hear. So I haven’t got the vestige of a clue as to whether Dr. Phil’s people altered (as opposed to edited, which is universally acknowledged to be necessary) the tape. But in my mind, there are plenty of unambiguous, compromising statements by Deepak Kalpoe in that interview.

    29. Para2legal on December 15th, 2006 1:42 pm

      ROFLMAO – This is just TOO rich….2 Kalpoops sue Dr. Phil for “defamation”. Excuse me – how on earth could one’s character be defamed when they are considered murder suspects in the country they reside in?
      Tell it like it is Kalpoops – You’re liars, kidnappers, rapists and murderers.
      Karin – When will there be justice for Natalee?

    30. Sharon Chicago on December 15th, 2006 1:51 pm

      I do hope Arlene Shipper volunteers to represent the 2K’s so we can tell her about our laws “which is does not understand”!!!!! Hey Arlene, shut up and just sit down!!

    31. Sharon Chicago on December 15th, 2006 1:55 pm

      #18 Katablog…VERY well said!! and thats the truth!!

    32. Kath on December 15th, 2006 2:27 pm

      Yes, the Kalpoes are stuck here for the time being, and hopefully this whole thing was thought out. Please Bring Arlene so we can show her what “plea Bargain” is. They hopefully will rat out all who needs to be, point out where Natalee is, and then change identities so that Aruba can never touch them again. This way they “may not” end up like Pitbull. Well see, some more waiting but at least things are happening.

    33. ldstlou on December 15th, 2006 2:28 pm

      I think the defamation case will come down to each side with their own experts saying he say yes vs. no. So then the jury will hear the next words spoken…you wouldn’t believe how easy it was that night. Who in their right minds could listen to that and think Deepak said no we didn’t have sex with her…you wouldn’t believe how easy it was that night..HELLOOO Jiliian?! Altered my fanny!!
      And do you all think the people of Aruba are real happy with the kalpoes for putting them back in the negative spot light….. AGAIN…so much for the new commercials!! hahahahaha

    34. yoyo muffintop on December 15th, 2006 2:34 pm

      Miss-U, you give lawyers way too much credit. Do you know the history of JQK’s clients. Take a look, and take a look at who Daniel Petrocelli (Fred Goldman’s lawyer) has represented and take a look at who Chadbourne Park represents.
      And if he has so much integrity, why do you think he did make any verbal arguements in the case in New York?

    35. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 2:43 pm

      Yo Yo
      Did you ever check out Tacopina’s DEFENDANTS?

      We will see who eats crow. If you know anything about the legal system, you will see that the Kalpoes opened up a can of rancid cooked pork.

      Like I said if these tapes were ALTERED AND GIVEN TO HOLLAND, Holland would have been hot on the tails of Phil and Skeeters for obstruction.

      Tell Anita I hope she gets a new camera for Christmas

    36. SUPER DAVE on December 15th, 2006 2:45 pm

      yoho: the new york case was decided before it even got off the ground. yout taco boy whined and cried his way out of that one not to mention the aruba delegation was in new york the week before this happened and i’m sure they got a word in.

    37. Jumpin Jack on December 15th, 2006 2:49 pm

      Hey!!! Somewhat on this topic….Can I file a lawsuit against the Kalpoes as well. Since this tragedy I have refused to ever ever go to Aruba again. They have made me terribly afraid to travel nearly anywhere as I have two teenaged girls. My daughters in turn are now afraid to travel too. this has had a tremendous effect on our quality of life. How can I get some compensation here? I want to sue them all.

    38. Jumpin Jack on December 15th, 2006 2:51 pm

      Further to this, my wife has suffered good and hard as I spent hours and hours of my life watching this case, puoring over reports and thinking of this daily. The mental anguish we all endured is unfair.

    39. Edinburgh on December 15th, 2006 2:55 pm

      I am so happy to hear about this, I just want to wish JQK good luck. Go get them!!!

    40. WorldJOURNIER on December 15th, 2006 2:57 pm

      Hi All…. The part of the SM article that reads….

      “My guess, so do the Holloway and Twitty Families along with their attorney John Q. Kelly”

      ….initially, made me think that the SM article is also saying that the Holloway’s & Twitty’s are being “greedy” and seeking the “delicious smell of unearned gains.”

      IMHO, Someone at SM may *definitely* want to *seriously* consider re-writing the “My guess, so do the Holloway and Twitty Families along with their attorney John Q. Kelly” personal comment.

      Best Regards, WorldJOURNIER

      The Natalee Holloway Timeline of Persons, Known Crimes Suspects & Outright Lies


    41. sharon on December 15th, 2006 3:15 pm

      Not only will they find out that Skeeter’s tape was NOT manipulated by the Dr Phil staff — only edited to work with the 30 second soundbite,

      But they will find out that Skeeter’s tape WAS manipulated by the Aruban authorities — before they decided to distribute it. As we have known all along.

      Just one more reason to start singing ‘oh, happy day’

      Justice for Natalee

    42. vicki on December 15th, 2006 3:20 pm

      Justice for Natalee is almost here. I may get my Christmas gift after all.

    43. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 3:22 pm

      Notice on the Complaint that there are 100 John Doe’s
      Who do you think they are?

      1. Paulus
      2. Joran
      3. Steve Croes
      4. Michael Dompig
      5. Guido Weaver

    44. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 3:31 pm

      Check out the complaint

      page 13 of 19 article 38. Jorans answes to van der Straaten as to w to where the girl was buried.

      ” I think that it was buried next to the wall of the Fishermans’s hut, for the rest I would not know”

      This statement says it all.

    45. MIss-Underestimated on December 15th, 2006 3:33 pm

      Does anyone have a link to the complaint filed by the Kalpoes?

    46. Carpe Noctem on December 15th, 2006 4:07 pm

      World Journier: Here’s how it reads to me.


      Has greed done its job on the Kalpoe brothers, leading them into the trap with the delicious smell of unearned gains
      (a trend or character defect?).

      Our Vanderbilt thinks so with his latest cartoon. >>


      * Vanderbilt, thinks that GREED ( The Kalpoes’
      Achilles’ Heel ) has snapped the trap down on top
      of them.

      The lure — visions and delusions
      of ‘unearned gains’ — aka Dr. Phil’s
      Sugar Plumbs dancing in their
      pin heads.

      The H/T Family & JQK —* SM thinks *—-

      may feel the

      same way as the VANDERBILT.

      ( that the Kalpoes

      got trapped by
      their unfettered GREED )



      Respectfully, WorldJOURNIER

      … that sounds
      correct to me.


      my .02

      …and if I may…

      I’d like to

      throw in THE FOLLOWING:

      That D & S Kalpoe
      get a ‘FLY BY’ done
      on their house
      by old St. Nick


      he tosses
      them an effin brick
      cleverly hidden
      in the bottom
      of their stockings!

      Merry Christmas !!!!

      HO!! HO!!!! HO!!!!!


      PEOPLE BTW – If you have not,
      check out W. Journier’s
      NAH Timeline.

      It’s 700-800 pages! A virtual
      encyclopedia set on what happened.
      World Jouriner’s work speaks for
      itself. It kicks a$$.

      See # 40 for link, and
      check it out.


    47. justice4nat on December 15th, 2006 4:42 pm

      #45 – Miss U
      Try this link below


      It should bring up a link where you can download a PDF file and read it.

      The Chicago law firm mentioned in the suit is: http://www.cksslaw.com and the attorney of record is Kristina Beck.

    48. ayfit on December 15th, 2006 4:50 pm

      Karin;IMO- you are as guilty as the perps,you’re going down as well.Those Kalpoe boys are on a clean up Aruba mission.In return they will be furnished new idenity.I’m just not sure I want them over here, where justice is served.I smell a plea.Wonder if Joron wished to plea as well.I hope not.Then we would be back to square one.Back to Karin.you are pathatic.You call yourself a prosecutor.You are a corrupt state official,maybe you have no choice,come to America and tell all.In return ,I’m sure,you will receive protection.Natalee is America’s role model as a beautiful teen daughter, with a very promising career,Beth imo is America’s model mom.This story is on fire,it’s stronger than ever.If this story ever weakens,don’t wory it will fire up again and again.You see America is inlove with Beth and Natalee.America doesn’t quit. NEVER

    49. mayan_moons on December 15th, 2006 4:52 pm

      Skeeters “I’m sure she had sex with all of you”


      Simple was it Deepak? As opposed to difficult? EXPLAIN.

    50. sandy on December 15th, 2006 4:55 pm

      Oh Happy day- Oh Happy day- sing it baby 1

    51. ayfit on December 15th, 2006 4:58 pm

      I hope you’re not reading.Monkeys,If that cartoon were a poster, I’d buy it.I’d buy several.Classic-Priceless

    52. mayan_moons on December 15th, 2006 4:58 pm

      100 unnamed John Does…..


    53. mayan_moons on December 15th, 2006 5:09 pm

      Dr. Phil Update on Monday!

      Dr. Phil comes out swinging!

      Where are those Kalpukes?

    54. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 5:16 pm

      For those that think that this is going to be a walk in the park, think again. These people have avoided justice for THIS long, who’s to say it’s not another ploy? Everybody knows who’s calling the shots in Aruba, the ever-so-famous “Judge in Training”.

      I hope that the Kalpoes are using this lawsuit as a means to rid themselves of his power, but I’m not even counting on that. Besides, if they really wanted to buck the Sloots, perhaps they would have done it a long time ago.

      Personally, I think that the Kalpoes are meerly puppets in the hand of a mad man whose only interest is in protecting himself and his son from prosecution. Perhaps he thought that he would throw us a bone to distract us from the way that we can REALLY get him and his house of cards that are made up of all his under-handed thugs. Don’t you think that it is perfect timing for yet another distraction while we are so close in proving the ties that this man has with the Dutch?

      Holland has cards it needs to play and if I were them, I’d get in the game. More and more people are becoming aware of the things that the Dutch have going on in Aruba as well as the Dutch Antilles. There IS an underworld, everybody knows that, but does Holland support it? At this point, it looks as though they do. The lack of prosecution is a good indication of that. The Dutch need to wake up and take a good hard look at the one that they are in bed with.

    55. Kathy on December 15th, 2006 5:22 pm

      I have been waiting (like so many others) for this trio to screw up and justice will prevail… justice for Natalee and her family.

    56. ayfit on December 15th, 2006 5:36 pm

      Juron;Feel the heat?You haven’t seen heat yet.There is alot of HEAT in your future,especially in your next life.Burn baby Burn!

    57. Maggie on December 15th, 2006 5:47 pm

      Remember when JQK was on Greta’s show not long ago about the OJ interview and book and she asked him about Natalee’s case and he said they are working on something and to stay tuned.

    58. joe bear on December 15th, 2006 5:55 pm

      I researched the Chicago firm and joet’s firm.Why does repersent people like the bar that allowed what happened to Immette to happen due to their greed and dishonesty.YOYO,are you a mob lawyer.

    59. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 5:57 pm

      Maggie (#57):

      Yep. And remember that just last week, we had a poster
      that said that someone was getting ready to talk.

      What was his name? Anyone got a copy of it?

    60. Southside on December 15th, 2006 6:07 pm

      If either brother is foolish enough to take the stand, they will melt like a stick of butter on a hot afternoon. Neither one of them is intelligent enough to withstand questioning by a competent attorney. They will break their silence. The end may be in sight.

    61. Sahara on December 15th, 2006 6:19 pm

      Hey hot shots, you will not get a dime from Dr. Phil. Why not write a book, you can call it “If I did It”!

    62. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 6:26 pm

      They may be fools, or even unintelligent. But, at this point, I think that they are simply operating on one’s instinct to simply stay alive.

      Maybe this is a deal that has been in the making for quite some time. Momma Kalpoe wanted to know what the Aruban prosecutor had in the way of a case against her sons, ie. the plea for a “suspect” list. Perhaps, now, they are willing to cut their losses. Afterall, they have been hanging by a string attached to Joran and Company for quite some time.

      We have been asking them to bite the hand that feeds them. Maybe they have, finally, gotten up the nerve to actually do it. We can only hope so.

    63. Maggie on December 15th, 2006 6:35 pm

      Remember in Dave’s book when Garrison talked to Deepak about a book and Deepak said the book would be about himself, he wouldn’t talk about Natalee, because noone cared about her.

      RAMIREZ: They don’t know nothing about her. Only they know that she was with Joran, and he ask him a lift to bring her down by the hotel, that she have to drop her off, and seeing (ph) that Joran is with them, and he said, OK, it’s fine. What he said when she went in the car, did her friends call her or something. And he said, I stopped my car, that if she want to go, it’s fine. It’s not that, yes, we forced her, or not we, she was with Joran. MY SON SAID THAT SHE DIDN’T EVEN INTRODUCE HERSELF TO THEM, LIKE, HI, I’M NATALEE, OR WHATEVER. SHE NEVER SAID A WORD TO MY TWO SONS.


      Deepak’s June 9th statement. Here he says Natalee said hi and told him her name. He immediately forgot her name, give me a break.

      The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: “Hi” She greeted me back and had told me her name. I immediately forgot her name.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.


      Joran’s June 10th statement

      To your question how much alcoholic beverages I can drink before I get drunk, I answer you the following. I can handle my alcohol. Since my 15th year I have been drinking alcohol. I am a social drinker. I think that before I start feeling tipsy I have to drink a crate of beer. I cannot answer you how many rum and whisky’s I have to drink before I get drunk. If I drink normal glasses of alcoholic beverages I would have to drink twenty (20) to thirty (30) glasses before I get drunk. If I get drunk I feel tired and want to sleep. I do not get irritated when I get drunk.

    64. Carpe Noctem on December 15th, 2006 6:38 pm

      Have a great weekend, MONKEYS.






    65. ayfit on December 15th, 2006 6:46 pm

      I am so STOKED!I have been here before,only to have that roller-coaster come speeding downhill.This has happened time after time.That’s okay,I will ride that roller-coaster until the wheels fall off.Justice is in sight,I just know it.I have followed this case since day 7,June 6 of 05.That’s when I first heard about it.I latched on and I’m not letting go!This case has something I can’t explain.It’s special somehow,can’t tell you why,it just superceeds every case I have ever heard of.Go gett’em Beth,the world is in your corner,this case is SPECIAL.

    66. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 6:59 pm

      Greaaaaat Post Ayfit!!! Aaaaand THAT’s the truth!!!!

    67. ayfit on December 15th, 2006 7:50 pm


    68. airgame12 on December 15th, 2006 8:21 pm

      A penal case filing in America against the suspects in the Natalee Holloway case gets a radical and impressive course, because the legal case in the States will soon or later involve the extradition of the suspects.

      Aruba, through an extradition treaty that the Dutch Kingdom has with the States, judicial authorities can ask for extradition of the suspects, will put the Dutch government in a difficult situation since the Governor of Aruba is the one that has to sign for this extradition, but in this must be first agreed upon by the Netherlands, because the main suspect is studying in the Netherlands.

    69. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 8:22 pm

      Ayfit (#67):

      I wonder if they are going to be serving any wine mixed with truth serum before the show?

      Just kidding, I think.

    70. wreck on December 15th, 2006 8:22 pm

      Like I have stated many times — I am not getting over-excited about any of these countless “breaks” in this case.
      HOWEVER; I hope (and somehow have a gut feeling about this scenario):
      The Kalpoes KNOW they cannot “buck the system” in Aruba. They will be set-up as the “fall-guys.” Their only way out is to get to an American court and be able to get the truth out.
      My theory is that they filed suit in California PRECISELY to do just that. I simply cannot fathom that any competent attorney would allow them to subject themselves to American jurisdiction unless an agreement with JQK hadn’t already been worked out.
      The Kalpoes can come clean without the wrath of the crooks in Aruba being able to do anything about it.

    71. Skyboxx on December 15th, 2006 8:28 pm

      On the next Dr. Phil, the Kalpoes, Deepak, Satish and Mama Kalpoe. Followed by an all new Oprah.

      Why you lie to mama?

    72. Skyboxx on December 15th, 2006 8:31 pm

      I can see the writers putting this show together now.

      Kalpoes admit to wrong doing, rat out the real perps, get reduced sentences, Mama cleans up real nice with the cash, hires big time attorneys to get sons out. Dr. Phil, Tonight show, Nancy grace, the movie of the week deal………..

    73. Skyboxx on December 15th, 2006 8:34 pm

      There’s the Fox Book deal. “If We did it”, by the Kalpoes.

      Its a mockery.

      All we want is justice for NH and her remains, so the family can put her to rest properly. And then lock the bastards up forever who did this.

    74. Dayhiker on December 15th, 2006 9:00 pm

      The Kalpoes will either default, flip on Joran, or be in for the biggest ass-whuppin’ in court this side of Texas. A default or an ass-whuppin’ gets them nothing, flipping gets them freedom.

    75. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 9:29 pm

      Wreck (#70): Your gut feelings serve you well.

    76. Jon on December 15th, 2006 9:34 pm

      Nothing is going to happen with these lawsuits

    77. anne on December 15th, 2006 10:27 pm

      PLEASE WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESSMEN (Fax is faster on Capitol Hill:

      I am a constituent living in _________, and I am writing in regard to Natalee Ann Holloway, the 18-year-old U.S. citizen who disappeared on the island of Aruba and whose family has suffered enormously at the hands of the Aruban government and law enforcement.

      I understand the Holloway-Twitty family is from Alabama; however, there are people all over the country doing as much as they can to help the family recover information about Natalee, as well as to help bring her home to her family.

      There is evidence of substantial corruption within the Aruban Law Enforcement which has resulted in a cover-up of enormous proportions regarding the disappearance of Natalee. Evidence points to her murder, the disposal of her body and the purposeful evasion of law enforcement by those involved.

      I would like to call your attention to the website, scaredmonkeys.com, at which much investigative research has been conducted. The owners of the website have participated in the actual search for Natalee, and posters have scrutinized the case, finding ties to organized crime out of Chicago and South Florida. Videos of Aruba have surfaced on the Internet which feature local officials painting over probable crime sites among dead bodies on rocky beaches. Most alarming is the part of the video featuring a plastic bag left in a basin through which multiple corpses can be seen – one of which shares identical facial features (hairline, teeth, eyes, and nose) of Natalee.

      I appeal to you as a U.S. Congressman to take an interest in this case of a U.S. citizen who cannot return to her country. I hope to increase your awareness of this case and urge you to share the desperation her family endures as they try to seek justice and ultimately recover their daughter.

      Please help bring Natalee home to her family and to the United States where she belongs.

    78. diverboy on December 15th, 2006 10:38 pm

      maybe the Kalpoes should be real careful from now on, surely the Van der Sloots can see the threat these two pose if they are to testify under oath in the USA. Hate to read that the Kalpoes committed suicide by dismembering and then setting themselves on fire in some cave. be careful boys….you know what your pals, the Sloots, say…no body, no case….hope it doesnt end up applying to you as well.

    79. Katablog.com on December 15th, 2006 10:45 pm

      I understand people’s redicense to get too excited. You are right, we’ve all been on this roller coaster before. But I will point out that in those previous rides, Aruba was calling the the shots.

      I feel this will pan out different – even though it will take some time. Different because I don’t think we will see things disappearing.

      One thing that keeps crossing my mind is how Deepak is supposedly so protective of Satish. Either (1)his greed got in front of that protection (2)Satish is going to fold like a deck of cards in the first deposition or (3)both have decided to tell all.

      Another thought about the lawyers and how the Kalpoe’s are going to afford them – they’ve already signed a book deal which will be released after the trial or the lawyers are sure their story is worth a healthy book deal and are still shopping for the best price as information begins to leak out.

      Jon: you are dreaming if you think nothing is going to happen wit these suits. There are a couple ways it could play out, including Aruba jumping the gun and arresting the Kalpoes. If K2 are still in Aruba, they better really fear this because Paulus may have enough pull to get them re-arrested to prevent them from coming to the states.

      The timing suggests that this has been in the works for awhile but their attorneys were waiting until the Kalpoes were released as suspects so they can leave Aruba. Does any one know if they are allowed to leave Aruba? Didn’t Joran have to get special permission?

      Bottom line: something will happen, but Aruba may beat the US to the punch if the Kalpoes are still there. Aruba has to know that it would be terrible news (Ha, like Aruba isn’t in enough trouble already!)to have the US trump them in proving the case against the three thugs.

    80. Scared Monkeys on December 15th, 2006 10:53 pm

      Skyboxx… look at the main page, no Kalpoe book like the OJ deal, Judith Regan got the ax and speculation is that it was over the book deal with OJ…

      what a shame.


    81. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 10:57 pm

      Good point Anne:

      We have also been asked to write to the Queen of Holland, Her Majesty Queen Beatrix; especially in regards to the actions on the part of the authorities of Aruba:

      Her Majesty Queen Beatrix
      Kabinet der Koningin
      Postbus 20016
      2500 EA Den Haag, The Netherlands

      Special thanks go out to Robert.

    82. Maggie on December 15th, 2006 11:02 pm

      Whoever said it the other day, I agree, SM and all the bloggers here have helped keep Natalee’s case front and center. Without SM I am afraid Natalee’s case would be just like many others, long forgotten. They have been right up there , Number One and not letting anyone forget who Natalee Holloway is and what was done to her on her last night in Aruba celebrating her graduation.

    83. Elizabeth on December 15th, 2006 11:36 pm

      And that especially includes you, Maggie. You have always been kind and have made excellent points. Keep it up and soon, we will have justice!

      Maggie, Mayan Moons, Miss U, JusticeforNatalee and countless others make this a good place to be. Hugs to all.


    84. Richard on December 16th, 2006 6:10 am

      Katablog, I don’t see how Aruba can arrest the Kalpoes now, unless new evidence comes up. That’s allegedly been the issue all along … that they can’t even call them in for re-questioning without new evidence.

      I think I remember reading some time ago that they were denied renewal of their residence permit in Aruba (they are from Suriname, so presumably they need permission from the Aruban government to live there; the equivalent of our ‘Green Card,’ perhaps). I wonder if Aruba could expel them on that basis, if what I remember reading was true?

    85. Richard on December 16th, 2006 6:17 am

      Miss U (43)… maybe another of the John Does might prove to be Lorenzo van Rijn.

    86. Heli on December 16th, 2006 8:18 am

      Greta On The Record
      December 15, 2006

      Richard Freer, law professor at Emery University Law School


      Now, the one, the lying in wait one, Natalee Holloway’s parents are waiting for the Kalpoes to file, they want to sue them so they can get them under oath for depositions. Is that going to stay?


      I don’t think so. They have sued in California and their jurisdictional theory is very interesting and I think it’s very creative but I don’t think it’s going to work. Here’s the theory: you can have this personal jurisdiction based upon consent and the idea is that the Kalpoe brothers by suing in California have consented to jurisdiction in California for any related claim. There is case law in California that says that you can have jurisdiction by consent in this way but, it’s limited to the parties to the original case

      For example, when the Kalpoes sued Dr Phil and CBS, Dr Phil and CBS have jurisdiction over the Kalpoes for any claims they might have against them, but there’s no case that I know of that allows a third party, like the Holloways to come in and use that consent to jurisdiction. I don’t think it’s going to work.

    87. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2006 8:22 am

      Justice FOR Natster…

      HopefullY JQK will continue to open up a major can

      of ‘YE OLDE WHOOPUS de A$$’

      on the TWO DAWGS!

      Get ready for

      “Shock and Awe” you little disrespectful

      Kalpoe blankety blank blank blanks.



    88. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2006 8:38 am

      566 Days

      since Natalee vanished

      May 30, 2005 while in Aruba –

      and the three last with her STILL DO NOT

      have the story straight on how the night



      Karin Jaansen, ***still does nothing***

      Staying true to form.


      ARUBA = DEATH –


      run by slimebag criminals,

      murderers, and rapists.

      Tourists would do well to

      steer clear of this



      Help use spread
      the word far an wide!



    89. JusticeforNatalee on December 16th, 2006 9:12 am

      Natalee’s case in NE again

      “Natalee died at Joran’s House”

      Also calls the case a COVERUP


    90. Page on December 16th, 2006 10:34 am

      I am so upset after watching Greta’s show last night with the lawyer Mr.Freer. He said that the Holloways are a 3rd party and he has never seen a 3rd party come in and do this. He says “ITS NOT GOING TO WORK” because of California’s law. “There is case law in California that says that you can have jurisdiction by consent in this way BUT, it’s limited to the parties to the original case.For example, when the Kalpoes sued Dr Phil and CBS, Dr Phil and CBS have jurisdiction over the Kalpoes for any claims they might have against them, but there’s no case that I know of that allows a third party, like the Holloways to come in and use that consent to jurisdiction.”

    91. Page on December 16th, 2006 10:37 am

      this is copied from nationalenquirer.com


      In a sensational new development in the Natalee Holloway mystery, Aruban police now believe the Alabama teen may have died at the home of prime suspect Joran van der Sloot.

      And island officials protected him by refusing to let cops search the entire property, charges a Dutch investigator.

      Noted crime reporter Peter De Vries also claims that Joran’s attorney made a dramatic bid to “clear his conscience” – secretly telling prosecutors that his client DID play a leading role in Natalee’s disappearance.

      De Vries, host of a popular investigative TV show in Holland, focused on the murder of 18-year-old Natalee, who vanished on May 30, 2005, after leaving a nightclub with Joran and his pals Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. And his findings dispute the leading theory that she died on the beach after she and Joran were dropped off there in the early morning hours.

      Pick up this week’s ENQUIRER to read more details!

    92. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2006 10:58 am
    93. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2006 11:12 am

      Oh yes and…

      Hey David Kock, S-C-R-E-W Y-O-U

      you do nothing lowlife Kalpoe

      protecting scumbag!

      I find your latest comments to be – MOST REPUGNANT-

      Saying the Kalpoes v Holloway Case

      and Aruba vs America

      is like a “David vs Goliath story.”




      It think Natalee may have felt it

      was D versus G… with her David to

      your murdering / raping clients

      (and J’s) Goliath.

      “David” lost on 5-30-2005— it was all OVER

      for her, she was over powered!


      You are scum of the Earth! Perhaps even sub-scum,
      ya know, the thing that forms the SOLID bedrock
      for which the REAL SCUM to spring forth. -J4N-

    94. Miss-Underestimated on December 16th, 2006 11:28 am

      Richard I wonder if it is possible , if the names were listed that there would be close to 100 John Does. I haven’t had time to read thru the complaint completely, but it looks like there are some John Does the attorneys don’t even know of, but may find during discovery?

      I looked at the Chicago Law firm that is supposedly the firm for Deepak, I’ve never heard of that firm. I wonder if anyone has any history on that law firm?

    95. Richard on December 16th, 2006 11:50 am

      I don’t know, Miss U. I imagine that the number of John Does is purely arbitrary, and that more can be added.

      Let’s not get upset about all the comments of all the lawyers who are brought on the talk shows to prognosticate. I haven’t a clue myself about the extent of the jurisdictional and other issues involved. I think that this case has a better chance than did the New York one, which admittedly was always a long shot.

      But again, if the Kalpoes simply decide not to show up or drop their suit, can “we” get any answers? I simply don’t know … and people are put on the talk shows precisely to raise controversy. So all we can do is see how it goes.

      By the way, maybe I’m not too swift on the uptake, but thinking back on Paulus van der Scum’s comment (something like, “I won’t tell all that I know because it might hurt something”) … doesn’t this sound like a veiled blackmail threat? If so, against whom is it levied?

      Obviously he wouldn’t care about hurting the family or supporters of Natalee. And he’d stay quiet about anything that would strengthen the case against dimwit son.

      So if this remark isn’t empty, it suggests to me that he’s letting some other person or persons know that if he and his family go down, they won’t go alone.

      This to me also suggests that other people are involved and/or know something. I’ve long thought the Pimps were involved, but if van der Scum is threatening anyone, it must be someone who has power to influence things.

      So the cover-up won’t be ended without a struggle, perhaps.

    96. Gloria on December 16th, 2006 12:34 pm

      Richard and Miss U.

      I believe that the statement that was made was a threat in that he said that he would talk, when the time is right and that he is waiting because, there would be alot of people hurt.

      Sounds like a threat to me. As well as the statement that the Kalpoes made to Joran in the back of the van-transport saying that if they find out about Natalee, then they will find out about ALL that OTHER shit (sorry).

      I agree with Elizabeth, there is an underground.

    97. Minnesota Dad on December 16th, 2006 12:50 pm

      Regarding JOHN DOES. Having done a lawsuit that included Does, here is how it works.

      If you know there are other players but just don’t have all of the info, you list that you have Does. Now, you may only list Does 1 through 3 if you know that there were a few people involved (and, you know and they know exactly who they are) but you just don’t have all the information to formally tie them in.

      In this case, they have named Does 1 through 100. This is significant. There are the pimps, there are the Van Der Sloots….but that would give you less than 20 Does.

      To name 100 Does totally points to not only the murder, but the ensuing cover-up and all of the government actors who assisted the crime.

      Hey National Enquirer….write about the significance of naming 100 Does in this lawsuit as it would apply to the cover-up and the number of ‘actors’ involved. This is very significant.

      They are casting a big net with this complaint. Once more info is gathered, the complaint is amended to bring in those Does under their formal names. This is why this complaint, if allowed to go forward, is a great back door to get Paulus (the perp) and Joran into the complaint formally. md

    98. Goria on December 16th, 2006 1:07 pm

      I miss Patty. I thought that she was funny but she was the only one that I can remember that posted stuff that had to do with the sex slave industry. She even said that Holland was involved. I believe her and I miss her.

      I know that this is far fetched but maybe they were going to ship Natalee somewhere but she resisted so they killed her. Maybe this is the stuff that Deepak was talking about when he said that they would find out about all the other, well you know. And since the father, Paulus was part of it he made threats about releasing information that would hurt alot of people to keep the Dutch from prosecuting in fear that he might talk.

    99. chris on December 16th, 2006 1:31 pm

      Why is it that Greta always has guests who are so quick to slap down any new route used by JQK? It’s so obvious to me that she is not with Beth and Dave on this. What’s worse, she doesn’t even try to hide it.
      I wish Nancy G. were the only one to report on the case, then it would be fair and balanced…..chris

    100. Page on December 16th, 2006 1:41 pm

      Don’t miss the Dr.Phil Show on Monday December 18th. Dr.Phil talks on the video about Monday’s show at drphil.com. He says that there are new developments in the Natalie Holloway case and he is going to talk about why Beth and him are back together again in their continuous quest for her daughter Natalie Holloway!! Thank you Dr.Phil for help setting up the Kalpoe brothers.

    101. Gloria on December 16th, 2006 2:08 pm


      Greta doesn’t care about anybody. Remember all her comments during the O.J. Simpson trial? I always thought that Judge Idiot Ido had a closed captioned T.V. in his office that he referred to everytime he hlad to make a ruling in the case. What a nightmare that was. I think that she is one of those people that think that the laws are perfect just the way they are, you know, carved in stone even though many of them are as old as dirt. while some of us would prefer that the law be interpretted on a case by case basis.

    102. Gloria on December 16th, 2006 2:35 pm


      Who are you, the public affairs manager for Dr. Phil? I think we get the message. Incidently, I highly doubt that there was a trap set by Dr. Phil. I am not of the opinion that Hollywood has all that much to do with the everyday lives and decisions made by the Kalpoes or any one else for that matter. Not ALL of us live in T.V. Land.

    103. katablog.com on December 16th, 2006 2:55 pm

      Richard: The Aruban court would not release them as suspects, saying their was enough evidence to keep them as suspects. Jossy has also made mention that Janssen is still planning something. Now, I don’t hold out all that much hope on that, but I do think the chances increased when the Kalpoes filed a suit here.

      First, Paulus might try his connections to prevent the Kalpoes from coming to the USA. Second, Aruba might not want the US to be the one to discover the evidence they already know.

      When reading the Kalpoe’s complaint, it even ran through my mind that maybe the ALE paid the attorneys for the Kalpoes as there are allegations that the Dr. Phil show ruined tourism by their statements.

      I do an analysis of sorts on some of the statements in the Kalpoe’s suit over at Katablog Some of this Petition is hysterical!

    104. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2006 3:00 pm

      Elizabeth i share you’re sentiment on the countless people that make Scared Monkeys the place to be. I’ve visited other sites but never stayed longer than five minutes (except for Boycott Aruba Site & Aruba Dirty Police) before i came back here.


      Hey chris!

      I was thinking the exact same thing about Greta & her
      guest last night.

    105. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2006 3:03 pm
    106. Gloria on December 16th, 2006 3:29 pm


      Love the pictures, especially the 2nd one.

      Do you know whether this show coming up on Monday is really worth watching? I have tuned into so many of those shows and most of them just leave me more confused than when it started. It just seems like another way to capitalize on Natalee. What do yu think?

    107. SL-Gloria on December 16th, 2006 3:32 pm

      #’S 96/98/101/102 “Cloria”:

      You’re not very creative when it comes to username picking. If you need help, I’ll gladly submit a list: Imitatress, Copyist, Impersonator, Fraudulent, Assumer, Copycat, Emulator, Aper, Knock-off …

      By the way, you are posting with different names, given that you have to change your registration profile periodically. In your #98 post, you misspelled your second new name.

    108. mayan_moons on December 16th, 2006 3:41 pm

      Remember Greta trying to get the Scott Peterson juror’s to say something like (asking them if they wanted to hear from the defendant from the witness stand) in order to cause a reversal of the trial & the verdict and nullify all the hard work of the police & prosecutor’s and the jury.

    109. Richard on December 16th, 2006 4:06 pm

      “Goria” (#98) … Whatever your identity, I have always argued that Natalee may indeed have been handed over to someone who took her off the island. I know people are getting tired of my continually raising this scenario … but if indeed van der Sloot’s remarks about being able to hurt more people (I’m not clear how many were suggested) aren’t just empty bluster, then clearly the most damaging scenario for Aruba would be, not Natalee’s death by accident or on purpose, but her being forced into sexual slavery for whomever.

      We also have to consider that van der Sloot might not have any hard information, but might be making these comments just on the idea that when you throw enough s–t around, some of it sticks.

      What does this rather unpleasant image connote? Simply that if Aruban officials know that he is prepared to come public and point to their involvement, EVEN IF IT IS NOT TRUE, the very levying of those charges will muddy the water, stir up the American public, and complicate things to an even greater degree.

      In other words, it could be that van der Sloot is just hoping to cow everyone of importance on Aruba into not taking action.

      But my own belief, as I’ve said before, is that he is on the take from the drug traffickers (seems clear to me that they would want input from a prospective judge) and that he knows that some other Pooh-Bahs in the Aruba government are as well.

      Katablog, I obviously can’t say what the situation is, but let’s keep in mind that van der Sloot did NOT get the judicial appointment that he wanted. Obviously, the negative publicity of Natalee’s case would play a role in this … but if he was so important, would the Aruban government have crossed him?

      I’m sort of contradicting myself here: on the one hand I’m saying that he might know all sorts of shady dealings in the past, including the sale of Natalee or the handing of her over to the drug mafia, while on the other I’m suggesting that maybe he’s not the top dog in this: that someone bigger is really calling the shots.

      In other words … I don’t know!

    110. Richard on December 16th, 2006 4:12 pm

      Minnesota Dad (97), thanks for the info on the John Doe situation. Does the listing of the number of John Does have to be related to the number of potential suspects, or whatever, expected to be uncovered through the process of discovery (if that’s the right word)?

      What I’m trying to say is, can we infer from the listing of 100 or so of them that the family, their lawyers, or whoever actually have reason to believe that so many people are involved? After all, Beth’s comments throughout have seemed to point only to the three scum last seen with Natalee.

      So could the inclusion of so many JDs be illustrative of a change of mind? Or is it just a legal tactic allowing for extending the suit to anyone whose name might come up?

      Basically, how significant is the number? Sorry if I’m rambling here.

    111. Quinne on December 16th, 2006 4:12 pm

      My worse fear is the “guilty as hell” Kalpoes win the Dr Phil manipulated tapes lawsuit and JQK cannot go forward with his case. Kalpoes get rich and all the attorneys involved rake in dough but we still have no answers to what happened to Natalee.

    112. katablog.com on December 16th, 2006 5:25 pm

      #110 – Of course I’m not MD, but the answer is “not really”, though I’m pretty sure that as MD said, if you know there are only a potential 2 or 3 additional people you might only list John Does 1 through 10. You can list as many John Does as you wish and I’ve usually seen it as 1 to 100.

      Interestingly enough the Kalpoes suit lists John Does 1 to 50. The other thing is that you would never want to list too few John Does (for example list John Does 1 through 3 and end up needing 5 John Does)

    113. Minnesota Dad on December 16th, 2006 5:40 pm


      The John Does on this would not only include the pimps and the Sloots, but, as information is discovered could include the Aruban Government itself!

      My point is that if JQK was thinking just Joran and maybe Paulus he would have listed John Does 1 and 2. Instead, he listed 100 John Does.

      Everyone involved in the murder and the subsequent cover-up are on the hook on this one. If 2K sing like canaries about Paulus and baby Huey, they can be brought in formally. If Paulus and baby Huey implicate Vander Strattan, Karen Janssen, Odubar, etc., etc. with assisting the cover-up, they would add them if they had significant discovery to formally name them.

      In the end, I see the purpose of 100 Does is to roll everyone involved with the cover-up into this thing….not just Joran and Paulus. All heads will roll. md

    114. Michelle Says So on December 16th, 2006 5:46 pm

      #18 Katablog–

      You are one of the few intelligent people around…I agree with you 110%. Absolute correct assessment!!!

    115. Carpe Noctem on December 16th, 2006 6:39 pm

      Hey Mannn -

      We were at Carlos & Charlie’s ORANJESTAD, ARUBA

      THIS WEEK for the 2006 Year End

      Fashion Show!!! A show designed

      to show off the hottest fashion

      trends in ‘SPORTER WEAR’ for

      THE “OH SEVEN.”

      ( That’s a cool way to say *2007*

      for the non-hipsters. )


      Here are some pics

      from earlier in the

      week: ENJOY! :-)











      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE, people!


      (and ya don’t stop.)

      :::THE END::::


    116. gulf to bay on December 16th, 2006 8:49 pm

      let the karma cards keep falling. One step at a time. Accountability for the actions of the ALE or lack there of. They had other options. They made there own bed. No sympathy for straight up liars. The nerve to look the other way for two of your own kind. Were the Van der sloots really worth it? Youre all fools full of desperation. No credibility. And to think anyone would believe your actions. Now that is hilareous. I havent seen someone sweat like pa van der sloot. That was something out of a movie motion picture. He had no confidence in his demeanor look, eye contact. Oh well that is what you get when you treat people with lack of respect and safety.

    117. Betty on December 17th, 2006 1:39 am

      I copied and pasted a comment made on RIEHL WORLD VIEW
      NATALIE HOLLOWAY last night, but it was not posted.
      someone by the sign on name of I KNOW said Natalie was in Canada in an apartment in St. Jerome on Bescassine St. with another girl, and Natalie kept her own name, and her parents are going there to see her..
      I hope this is true..Please post this and check it out


      SM:   #1   That is an old made up story from months ago   #2   I just went and checked at RWV and couldn’t find any post like that in the last few days (klaasend)

    118. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2006 2:33 am

      I can’t wait to see Dr. Phil & Beth on his show Monday, that one i’m taping for sure. Dr. Phil got his show because he sucessfully helped Oprah (the defendant) during the civil trial brought on by Texas cattlemen saying Oprah defamed them by telling her audience not to eat beef due to mad cow disease. Dr. Phil specializes in sizing up all parties connected to a case & takes no prisoners.

      Regardless to whats happening in the legal arena involving either suit one thing has not & won’t change for Aruba. I’m talking BOYCOTT Aruba, nothings changed there except with that with the help of the Kalpukes, Natalee’s fate stays front & center in the minds & hearts of Americans. That equals bad news for Aruba who has been throwing money at tv ads begging for tourists to come back. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving people, ya got these 2 brothers Aruba knew were/are guilty & protected them from prison and now here they are making you guys look even more stupid if thats possible!

      Hear that sound? Its Aruba’s tourist marketing money getting flushed down the toilet!

    119. Gary on December 17th, 2006 2:48 am

      Ha ha. Sorry dudes, filing a suit in California doesn’t means submitting to the jurisdiction for a suit by unrelated third parties. There’s still no personal jurisdiction. And even if there was, there’s no subject matter jurisdiction. The wrongful death suit is going nowhere fast.

    120. Crioyo (in aruba and back from a night at carlos n charlies) on December 17th, 2006 3:23 am

      Are there any law experts around. Cuz i was wondering,

      If they couldn’t get a trial going with Joran, what are the odds of the Kalpoe’s being extradited to California?

      Aren’t the odds of the Kalpoe’s winning the dr Phil suit bigger than the odds of them being extradited, since Joran, who is the main suspect, wasn’t.

      Any diff between New York and California legal systems which would make this more likely?

    121. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 4:38 am

      Here’s one – Long but Interesting:


      I tell you running that DUTCH
      GRINDER’ for translation CAN BE A TRIP!!!


      this is one of the FUNNIEST SENTENCES

      it ever spit out!

      It’s about JORAN OF OF THE DITCH AND
      THE de Vries retransmission of his
      last ARUBA-Holloway Investigation Show.

      copy text -


      “And thus still a photograph let
      compose, on which is Joran with Natalee to see,
      testifies, however, of a complete
      sick spirit so that he must be hung
      only already on account of that
      to his spoiled balls.”


      No truer statement has EVER BEEN MADE -

      Does that CARIBBEAN MO-FO have

      ‘spoiled balls’ OR WHAT?




      source website:



      Joran of of the ditch have Natalee Holloway assassinated?
      The retransmission of peter R. freezes, last Sunday, was reason the coming time what closed more attention to Joran of of the spend to will. Just like we with Johan Stellingwerf
      have done. Natalee Holloway have disappeared and from the beginning became the spoiled little boy Joran of of the ditch suspected. After first seemed that the right would triumph appeared that on Aruba surplus of good and Joran were
      including supporters laughing third. Joran of of the ditch had be just as kept from caraïbische wind and sit/now lie in the Netherlands the saint play frankness.

      But he cannot write that on its blubberbuik because that he and its pa on Aruba could everything and everyone put to their groezelige and fat, for pa in this case bony, hands will on this in pine low land of course this way easy. Just as towards
      the retransmission of peter R. freeze of last Sunday. Joran of of the ditch happen as a boy who gepokt and gemazeld where already rapidly the comparison rises with Ted Bundy, the American serial assassin and, are womanizer who had
      then a lot of woman assassinations on its conscience. The hypothese which Natalee voluntarily will swim, or in presence or absence of beschonken situation the sea in went consciously and as a result drowned, seriously can it doubt. Well, she was
      of the 24 hours approximately 23 hours ladderzat but that does not mean that you do not dump someone after ‘ use ‘, because there much seem it distorted on.

      A scenario
      where we believe rather in is that she is run-down against its will by Joran, where possibly Joran’s pa also still even its nose in its stuffed little matter stopped
      and she has been assassinated probable afterwards.

      And thus still a photograph let
      compose, on which is Joran with Natalee to see,
      testifies, however, of a complete
      sick spirit so that he must be hung
      only already on account of that
      to his spoiled balls.

      That of that ‘ composed ‘ photograph does more think of a psychopaat who, after Natalee have been assassinated, satisfied to house goes and if ultimate bevrediging decides still just as a pornofilm examine to conclude a fatal day in appropriate style. He has not come of course for nothing to
      the Netherlands. Did its family see hanging the bui already if he still longer that piepkleine but o this way corrupt island would stay up? Did he have just as from the picture so that he are here undoubtedly onfrisse practices could continue and if bovenwindse wind is soon return to Aruba lively further to go with screwing onschuldige do little girls will lie? In the
      Netherlands is not notable he. At least, provisional not, because Crimesite and hopelijk also the research team and therefore the media him with more than
      average will follow interest. Joran and its pa think that they have conducted everything and everyone for the garden but did not count on peter R. freeze.

      It becomes high time that the arubaanse garden becomes and all on the plot present stays thorough for – and doorgespit because which weet lie there it secret or the indication what has happened exactly with Natalee.

      It is hopelijk not yet late this mysterious matter in crime files leave verstoffen. That the matter stinks nobody more are able deny as a result of previous Sunday shown pictures and the questions which have risen after appears that he lay in the retransmission of NOVA, in February 2006, concerning Deepak and
      Satish, something what freezes also in programme was shown. The persons in question do not come innocent concerning and by play their verstoppertje (particularly Joran and its pa) and to that coupled arubaanse judicial environment, there obviously everything to located were the matter stifle.

      The Dutch speurneuzen the matter of their arubaanse has taken over colleagues so that hopelijk in-depth and conscientious research is done all those question signs answer which
      there now risen to be. Answers that as yet by Joran
      and its pa are not given must give the recherche i.c.m. enough to starting points the retransmission of last Sunday with heavy armses on Joran and its supporters to shoot. With than average interest more we the case Natalee Holloway and in particular Joran of of the ditch follows because you can slam, however, very bright the door for everything and everyone, slaafjes full instructions to stop itself, little girls conquer and to abuse,
      but asked or leave comes above the caraïbisch marine water float that you are responsible for disappearing Natalee Holloway. You imagine yourself you untouchable and above the law raised because you everything and everyone for the arubaanse garden have been possible lead.

      In the Netherlands it becomes what concerns that a piece with difficulty for you in spite of that you are slaafjes protected by your Dutch on the high school of arnhem. Also ‘ justice frustrated research reads Natalee Holloway ‘


      Hey, Joran


      We will never let it go.

    122. gulf to bay on December 17th, 2006 8:36 am

      ***k the pathetic Van der sloots who think they are better than everyone else. Pay back is a mother. You had other options they all could of made sure she made it back to her hotel safely. But they didnt plain and simple. Instead they gang banged her and disposed of her like a piece of furniture. They didnt ever think of her as a real person. Just as an object. And then lie after lie after lie. They have shown there true colors time and time. Lets give em what they deserve Justice for Natalee. This is this most expensive piece of **s they have paid for. Are you still sweating papa sloot like the pig you are? What a desperate fool. You raised a pervert with social skills of a 3rd grader.

    123. SL-Gloria on December 17th, 2006 9:00 am

      #120, Hi Crioyo,

      I hope school went fine and welcome home even if I am not there in Aruba,

      I am not a lawyer, but from I have been reading:

      This is a common law case, where the Kalpoes as private individuals seek restitution for defamation from another “private individual” or entity with juridical personality, the Dr. Phil Show. Therefore, this case is not within the context of criminal law.

      For a better explanation of the legal suit process, refer to http://www.answers.com/topic/lawsuit .

      From what I read, as long as both parties, the plaintiffs and the defendants pursue this matter, not reaching an out of court agreement, then the different stages of a lawsuit process may take place: Pleadings, Pre-Trial Evidentiary Discovery, Trial, Judgment, and maybe even Appeal before enforcement of decisions.

      About the extradition matter, that is just not so. I read that in JMM’s article, but a nation requests an extradition from another nation when an individual is accused of committing a crime in the state demanding the surrender of the accused. So technically speaking, if the Kalpoes were accused of committing a crime in Aruba and they fled to the VS or to Surinaam, then Aruba could extradite them. But the VS could not extradite them for a crime committed out of their territory.

    124. Richard Rogers on December 17th, 2006 9:16 am

      Hope this posts … my computer can’t connect to the Internet today, so I’m at the local college library.

      Anyway, I agree with Mayan Moons. Regardless of what one legal theorist says, or what another one replies, in the last analysis what matters is what the judge rules. It seems that there are so many laws out there that nothing is clear or definite. We can’t influence that outcome in any way.

      But what we posters can do is continue to press for the boycott, and to speak up when we see the oh-so-precious stories about the “tourist paradise” of the Caribbean being run in travel sections. The writers are just paid whores trying to perpetuate the myths of the travel industry.

      No justice for Natalee? No tourists for Aruba.

    125. chris on December 17th, 2006 9:18 am

      #114 Michelle Says So, I’ve been behind you 110% all along, but am sort of disappointed that you made the above statement. Surely you, better than anybody, should know that there are more than JUST A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE on this site. Who but the bunch here have reasoned out everything from the start and have come up with what has to be the only sensible conclusion? The brain power and artistry displayed here is amazing to me…….chris

    126. Richard on December 17th, 2006 9:47 am

      Minnesota Dad (113) … Thanks; this is what I was getting at. I would think that the number given is flexible; i.e., if they began with 20 and then found cause to expand the number, there would be no difficulty in doing so. Katablog (110) says, however, that it would not be wise to list too few. I don’t know one way or another.

      In any case, let’s do what we can to make sure that the boycott spirit remains strong.

    127. viet vet on December 17th, 2006 9:58 am

      IF nothing else, the lawsuits will only do more harm to Aruba in it’s quest to get more tourists. Sorry Aruba, you lose, regardless of what happens to the Kalpoes. They would be damn fools to come to the U.S. and let people here know it. Maybe Arlene can explain our system to them. We will continue to push the boycott and raise prices on goods shipped there. Notice any increase in prices on U.S. goods in Aruba 119,129?

    128. katablog on December 17th, 2006 10:01 am

      #119 The Kalpoes made the Twitty’s very related parties by quoting them over and over again in their Complaint. Have you even bothered to read the complaint?

      Last night I began speculating just how the deposition with Satish and Deepak would go. The results are at http://www.katablog.com

    129. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 10:56 am

      When the Kalpoes win
      money from Dr. Phil & Co…

      A van full of ‘Wizard of Oz’ midgets will pull
      up to my house, delivering pizzas, and singing
      Billy Joel’s “Just The Way You Are.”

      –When PIGS FLY!


      To quote VAN HALEN-

      “HEY DAAAAAAVE, Gimme Me A Break”




      song- “Unchained”


      Hey momsie doodle Kalponnnnne,

      Have you hugged your

      *DEMON SPAWN* today?


      …now more than EVER

    130. vicki on December 17th, 2006 11:05 am

      I cant wait for Justice. What fools to think that Dr Phil,Skeeters,et al would lie or alter tapes. For what purpose. Im glad it will finally come to light that 2k lied and lies and lies. I cant wait this is gonna be so good. JQkelly can then bring in just what the subject of the lies are!!! What dopes. Karma is a real bummer if its pointed at you.

    131. JusticeforNatalee on December 17th, 2006 11:14 am

      The Line Up (Fox News) – Dec. 16, 2006 – TRANSCRIPT (Verbatim)

      Kimberly: The mysterious disappearance of Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway has keep this nation riveted for more than a year. Now will newly released details in the investigation finally answer heartbreaking questions for the Holloway family. Here’s a look back at the case:

      (Video: The search for Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has baffled investigators and kept the nation riveted for the past year and a half. May 24, 2005, 18 year old Natalee Holloway graduates for her Alabama high school, nothing but hope for the future and a whole world ahead of her she and her classmates go on an annual senior vacation to sunny Aruba. On the last night of her trip Natalee and her friends spend the night partying at a local hot spot Carlos & Charlie’s. Then tragedy strikes, Natalee’s friends see her get into a car outside of the night club.. she is never seen again.)

      Kimberly: And two new lawsuits have been filed in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The parents of the missing Alabama teen have filed a wrongful death suit against Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, two former suspects in the case and at the same time the Kalpoe brothers say talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw defamed them when he aired a secretly taped interview with Deepak. They’re suing Dr. Phil for libel and slander and we are back with the former Federal Prosecutor Georgia Goslee now and Criminal Defense Attorney Randy Kravis.

      Kimberly: You guys can go union after this, I’m working you so much tonight. Coffee break after the show. Alright, so what do you make of this Georgia? Do you think they have any kind of case at all against Dr. Phil?

      Georgia: Well, I (don’t) really, when I think about it I’m not really sure that they have a case against Dr. Phil. First of all I think Dr. Phil has a certain level of integrity. I think he’s a little too intelligent to knowingly participate or have someone as an agent participate in doctoring a tape to make it look like these guys made those comments, so just alone on that, I don’t think he’s the type of person based on what I know and see about him, I think he has a high level of integrity, and let alone from that, I just don’t see any real evidence that they have. I mean file a lawsuit people do it everyday, to carry a burden of proof is another thing. From right now from what I see, I don’t think it’s going anywhere.

      Kimberly: Alright, we’re joined now on the phone by Joe Tacopina. Joe, we have to stop meeting like this and this time I want you to tell me how you really feel and don’t be so shy.

      Joe: Yeah, I heard, I heard my hysterics went over big.

      Kimberly: Joe tell me what do you make of this case? I mean you were able to prevail in yours, getting it tossed out but what about this case?

      Joe: You know, I don’t know it’s interesting Kimberly. I mean, fortunately we’re not invited to this dance and Joran is not a party to this lawsuit, and I’ll note there’s a drastic difference in the lawsuit that was filed by the Holloway family that we got dismissed. Joran was not charged in that lawsuit, they didn’t allege that he participated in the death of Natalee Holloway. It was a suit that talked about, you know, a kidnapping claim and an assault claim but certainly not participating in a death. In this instance, in the Kalpoe lawsuit they do allege these two individuals, the brothers caused her death and I think that’s a drastic difference and you know, I don’t know what evidence John has, certainly no harm, no foul. I mean obviously they want to go forward and try and get depositions and pursue evidence and look, they brought this lawsuit in New York, they submitted, I mean in California, they submitted themselves to the jurisdiction and now they sort of got what they asked for, they have litigation, so it will be interesting to see how it turns out.

      Kimberly: Alright, Joe Tacopina being fair and balanced tonight. I like that. So basically you’re saying it’s a different lawsuit and the jurisdictional issues are overcome so they’re kind of step ahead on this one don’t you think?

      Joe: Oh sure, I mean look it doesn’t mean that they’re going to get anywhere Kimberly, what it doesn’t mean is that this lawsuit will actually go forward, it doesn’t mean that they’re ever going to take depositions, but what it does mean is that if the Kalpoe brothers truly want to pursue a claim against Dr. Phil, first that was in fact doctored, there’s no question, the question is whether Dr. Phil knew or not because there were no admissions on the real tape, the one that was doctored had admissions on it but you know, if they really want to pursue that they’re going to have to answer questions under oath by the Holloway family if the Judge allows it to be considered a companion case. I think what’s going to wind up happening here now is they’re probably going to walk away from that Dr. Phil lawsuit and you know they’ll probably never get deposed in the United States.

      Kimberly: Alright, Randy I’ll give you the last word. What do you think of the merits?

      Randy: I mean, you know it is hard to believe that Dr. Phil would knowingly do something like this , so it is questionable about whether the facts are true or not. But if they are, maybe there is a valid lawsuit.

      Kimberly: Alright, so Randy’s verdict is Dr. Phil is like a boy scout and he wouldn’t do anything bad, bad, bad like that. Georgia, Randy and Joe, thank you so much.

      Courtesy Debbie/BFN

    132. Miss-Underestimated on December 17th, 2006 11:25 am

      Can the 2k use this case for diplomatic immunity or something similar?
      If they come here and then drop the dime on the others maybe bigwigs in Aruba, can they claim diplimoatic immunity or something like that?

      Did anyone notice how calm Joe T was last nite on the line-up. I sense that he feels this is distracting attention off of Joran. He seemed to me almost joyful.

    133. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 11:37 am

      132 – I think his wifey is slipping him Percocets
      so he won’tt scare his dog anymore! They’re
      working through it, ya know.

      Hi Miss-U ;-)


      -J4N people!

    134. katablog on December 17th, 2006 11:37 am

      How on earth can Taco say that there’s no question the tape was doctored? Has he had the original tape in his possession? Was he there? Or is he simply taking Dompig’s word for it? Pipe dreams that his client is innocent?

      Again, it only goes to prove you cannot believe what Joe says because he will say anything to try to make his guilty client look innocent.

      Joe: since we know you read here, get a clue. You need to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth if you want to have any hope of anyone believing what you have to say. You and your client both have reputations as liars.

    135. Frank on December 17th, 2006 12:02 pm

      Ford, Walker, Haggerty & Behar

      Kalpoe’s attorney

      Contact Address One World Trade Center 27FL
      Long Beach, CA 90831
      Contact Maxine Lebowitz
      Phone (562)983-2513
      Fax (562)590-3529
      E-mail maxine@fwhb.com
      Web site http://www.fwhb.com
      Provider Number 1547

    136. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 12:24 pm

      Thanks Frank!

      Here’s a photo-bio snap #135

      Kalpoe Attorney



    137. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 12:58 pm

      Some More Profile On Maxine Lebowitz

      Kalpoe Attorney?




      Be Kind To Da Monnnnkey!


    138. Crioyo (in aruba) on December 17th, 2006 1:07 pm


      Thanks for clarifying, SL-Gloria…

    139. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2006 1:16 pm

      Are Aruban Officials really dumb enough to think that the Kalpunk’s frivilous lawsuit is going to take American’s focus off of them & the boycott they so richly deserve?

    140. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2006 1:17 pm

      LMAO at Joran’s Spoiled Balls!

      Carpe! You’ve got mail!

    141. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2006 1:20 pm

      I hear ya katablog, taco joe calling Kalpuke’s claims legit could land him a date in the deposition chair.

    142. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2006 1:53 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I just sent you email with the name you gave the pic in your collection. Rotate it 180 degrees & click on color inversion.

    143. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 2:01 pm

      GO DEETCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



      David Kock – ARUBAN PRE-PAID

      Kalpoe Demon Protector,


      on your house!

      I heard you had a holiday meal at your mother-
      inlaw’s house… but you were forced to
      leave early

      …because her cat kept trying to bury ya over!!!!


      Youuuuuuuuuuuuuu are a BUM.

      -Ralph Kramden


      Up yours, 1,000 PERCENT! –Hallmark






    144. mayan_moons on December 17th, 2006 2:02 pm

      I’m sure Dr. Phil would love to have taco joe in a deposition explaining HOW he knows the tape is legitimate.

    145. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 2:18 pm


      for a one

      Mr. David KOCK


    146. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 2:38 pm







    147. buckeye on December 17th, 2006 2:48 pm

      Frank and Carpe

      I believe Haggerty is Phil McGraw’s attorney. The Kalpoe’s is Kristina M. Beck. IIRC

    148. Richard on December 17th, 2006 4:30 pm

      If the information that Frank (135) provided is accurate, then the Kalpoes’ U.S. attorney, or one of them, is at One World Trade Center.

      That is so grotesque ( I trust we all remember 9/11 ) that I can’t believe that it is genuine. (No offense intended, Frank!) Just an observation … and anyone who wishes to read an augury into that is welcome to do so.

      Miss U (132), the Kalpoes aren’t diplomats, so they would not have immunity. I wonder if you mean that they might seek some kind of asylum here? I can’t imagine it.

      Justice for Natalee (131) … In that show, Tacopino made specific remarks about the tape (“that was in fact doctored there’s no question”). I don’t see why those remarks from a lawyer are not in themselves grounds for a lawsuit.

      He didn’t say “edited,” he said “doctored.” Not very nice language.

    149. JusticeforNatalee on December 17th, 2006 5:50 pm

      148 Richard,

      Kimberly should have called Joe on the use of the word “doctored.”

      There is a HUGE difference between EDITED tapes and DOCTORED tapes.

      Just Joe’s sleazy way of discrediting the tapes. Joe’s dogs have more integrity and make more sense.

    150. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 6:09 pm

      ALL ABOUT THE BIRDS – there are many kinds.

      Train you GEO-SATS and

      synchronize your orbital

      transponders!!!! Wahoo.

      - Natalee Holloway -

      She is in the Van der Sloots backyard encased in cement.

      She is in the Van der Sloots backyard encased in cement.

      She is in the Van der Sloots backyard encased in cement.

      She is in the Van der Sloots backyard encased in cement.

      She is in the Van der Sloots backyard encased in cement.

      She is in the Van der Sloots backyard encased in cement.



      TAKE your eyes off of the Van der Sloot backyard.

      Not at night, not in the day, never.

      Don’t try to move her her PAULUS.

      THE WORLD IS WATCHING, brutha!!!!!!!!

      sphincter boy.

      Justice 4 Natalee
      Justice 4 Natalee
      Justice 4 Natalee
      Justice 4 Natalee
      Justice 4 Natalee


      Boycott ARUBA!

    151. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 6:27 pm

      Joran Van der Sloot trailed by PI this weekend

      in Ornajestad. He was photographed here partying

      with his new girlfriend on the Kukoo Kunuku Bus!!!


      Were on to ya, we’ve got yerrr number buddy.


    152. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 6:36 pm

      Here is the only gift I want this Christmas!


      I want it for Natalee,
      & the Holloway-Twitty

      Will you pray for it too?

      TIA / J4N

    153. page on December 17th, 2006 7:30 pm

      Thank you Gloria

    154. Frank on December 17th, 2006 7:48 pm


      It’s a building in Long Beach California. Just 2 office towers not far from the Queen Mary.

    155. katablog.com on December 17th, 2006 7:57 pm

      Yes, I saw the 1 World Trade Center building when I was recently n Long Beach, CA. It of course caught my attention because of the Trade Towers in NYC. But I believe the building was standing (and named) prior to 911.

      This appears to be the Dr. Phil Show’s attorney.

    156. richard on December 17th, 2006 8:07 pm

      Thanks, Frank. I just couldn’t accept the implications of the name linked with the Kalpoes’ case … suggesting, perhaps, that the universe has a sense of irony after all.

      Justice for Natalee (149), the problem is, I think, that the purpose of these talk shows is by and large to yap, yap, yap with little or no reflection. The more noise, and the more provocative the statements (at least with some shows in that genre), the more popular they are and the better pleased the advertisers are.

      But in my eyes, this scumbag SHOULD be called to answer for his remarks. That word “doctored” connotes illegal actions, or it does to me anyway.

    157. Sharon Chicago on December 17th, 2006 8:51 pm

      Book’m Dano…and I’ll have another dry martini while you are at it…Opp’s did I say that???? :o ) tee hee…I am gong to start popping the popcorn…and I have the folding chair out for this event…:o)… Come on in JUSTICE!

    158. JusticeforNatalee on December 17th, 2006 9:03 pm

      #156 Richard,

      It’s easy to contact Dr. Phil if you want to suggest that he take action regarding Joe’s comment about “doctored” tapes.


    159. Leo Leonard on December 17th, 2006 9:17 pm


      Dude, don’t you have an opinion on anything? Your blogs are a mile long and all they are is a summery of whats goin on. First you say this and then on the other hand you say that but it could always be the other. You got my head spinnin. Do you actually believe any of what you write or do you just like seeing your name on the blog all the time. I tried to ask you off the record, but you don’t realy have a website. I guess only mr. clairol knows for sure. Sorry, Dude, but someones got to tell ya.

    160. Miss-Underestimated on December 17th, 2006 10:30 pm

      LOL you’re on a roll Carpe.

      Frank….Kalpoes attorney say the Twittys/Holloways are out for profit. David get real…called distraction. Distract away from what DeVries is doing.

    161. nychic on December 17th, 2006 11:05 pm

      Oh Yes -

      It Appears That The “Spread MisInformation” Campaign
      Is In Full Swing – Guess What ? We Have Seen It Before !!

      But Keep It Up – It Just Fuels The Fire !!

      Another Thing I Noticed Is An Attempt To Piss Off Some
      Of The Best Here At SM… Well, Good Luck On That One Too !!

      Looking Forward To Dr. Phil On Monday !

    162. Carpe Noctem on December 17th, 2006 11:07 pm

      TY Miss-U


      That reminds me…

      If you think David Kock is as big
      as a flaming *icehole* as I do for
      saying something SO AWWWWFUL–
      That the H/T’s are looking
      to PROFIT ( for geez sake )
      on their daughter’s death!!!!!!!

      You might want to tell

      him what a little

      PUNK B1TCH HE IS, like I did.

      What really **fries** my a$$

      is the fact that *** HIS MURDERING, RAPING, BIFRON

      client’s are the ones with their HANDS OUT asking for

      money. (for killing dear Natalee.)

      I sincerely hope that DR. PHIL and his team *B* slap

      these little NATALEE HOLLOWAY slaying, rapist, carnivores

      in to next week.

      …and with such raw force, that hopefully it

      knocks the effin taste

      out of their mouths, and loosens

      some dental work, might be nice.





      Thank you, I feel better

      for getting that out. ;-)


      DAVID KOCK – Ugggggggggggggg


      website – link #1

    163. Jon on December 17th, 2006 11:07 pm

      its not over until it’s over they say.
      why is everyone overjoyed?

    164. JusticeforNatalee on December 17th, 2006 11:53 pm

      #159 Leo Leonard,

      Richard is one of our best commentators.

      He writes excellent letters and is very articulate,
      which is more than I can say about you.

      Sorry, dude, someone’s got to tell YOU.

    165. Leo Leonard on December 18th, 2006 12:38 am

      #164-Commentator? LMAO!!!!! My point exactly.

    166. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 1:05 am

      I feel better tooo Thanks Carpe!~ lol

    167. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 1:07 am

      mr. clairol?~

      what the hell is that about?

    168. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 1:11 am

      Richard’s not on his own pc today so piss off!

    169. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 1:13 am

      I can’t wait to hear what Dr. Phil’s gonna say, he’s a big guy & could crush all those BIFRON melons!

    170. nychic on December 18th, 2006 1:15 am

      Leo Leonard -

      Thanks For Proving My Point In #161

      Keep Trying – Hate To Break It To You -

      You Won’t Stop Anyone Here From Staying
      With Natalee’s Spirit Until The Truth Is Revealed !

    171. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 1:39 am

      Richard is the man, he’s done a lot for Natalee.

      Go siphon gas until the insides of your heads
      touch together jon & misses cleo! from the
      looks of things, that process should take
      just a short few minutes.

      Swing those HAMMERS people! The resources,
      the manpower, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the
      fact that we are *correct… you can not
      just murder someone in cold blood an then
      expect to walk free into an Aruban
      sunset unpunished…

      All those things are on Natalee’s

      and her family’s side!

      Tip* If an Aruban has time to swing by the FP to
      pout like a BIG whiney POOZ – Then we haven’t
      stomped their a$$e$ enough! Swing, Swing again!
      Crank it up louder, make it run longer.
      These -S- balls will drop, it’s inevitable.


    172. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 1:50 am
    173. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 1:53 am

      Say it Again nychic!

      We’re here & we’re staying here….for Natalee!

    174. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 1:55 am

      More ARUBAY and MM Pics-






    175. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 2:19 am

      “Aruban pout like BIG Whiney POOZ then we haven’t stomped their ass’s enough!”


      I like the way you think!

      *smackin that beotch up*

    176. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 2:43 am

      I’ve said it before……..i’m a protector…of animals, children, the eldery, my neighbor, my fellowman. But when i see people like the Sloots & Kalpukes i don’t think of them as human.

    177. Richard on December 18th, 2006 8:36 am

      Still having computer problems … can’t make the Internet connection for some reason. Maybe the squirrels (I think they move inside during the Vermont winter) have gnawed through the wiring?

      Anyway, sorry Leo Leonard (159) that I don’t get on here and state firmly, unequivocally, and without doubt what happened to Natalee. But that’s because I don’t know.

      Likewise, I don’t have an idea on whether the Holloway Twitty suit vs. the Kalpoes will work. I hope it does, but hope is not the same as knowing. And what difference does my opinion make? I still think there’s a good chance Natalee was taken off the island alive (and might still be alive, though it doesn’t necessarily follow).

      Few people agree, but I like to keep this idea out there to ensure that we keep our minds open. (At least one homicide detective thinks likewise, given the short window of time, the proximity of the island to the South American continent, the abundance of smuggling and drug trafficking in the region and the lack of a crime scene.)

      But this isn’t about me and my thoughts, for which I have no evidence. It’s about Natalee and the Aruban cover-up.

      As I’ve said before, either there is a cover-up or there isn’t. (I don’t see how anyone can think that there isn’t at least a partial one, but perhaps some people do.) If there is a cover-up, then other tourists are at risk and we need to stand up for our own.

      If there isn’t a cover-up, then the incompetence of the Aruban authorities is glaring proof that the island is no place for tourists.

      So let’s concentrate on pushing the boycott and demanding answers. Aruba is counting on the complacency of the American people, from whom comes much of their livelihood.

      In return for our largesse, we get this treatment. We’re not going to put up with it. But alas, this post is running on too.

      JusticeforNatalee (158), thanks for the info. I’m going to suggest it.

    178. GutFeeling on December 18th, 2006 9:41 am

      One does not need to be a trained law enforcement officer to see that the failure to question the 3 boys further after May 30th was clearly a collective effort to avoid disclosure of the true details of the crime.

      The 100 John Doe reference addresses this issue.
      To with hold a body from a grieving family is a heinous crime and Aruba deserves to be boycotted forever.

    179. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 10:35 am
    180. katablog.com on December 18th, 2006 10:44 am

      Richard, don’t worry about #159. The majority of Monkeys understand that everyone has a right to their opinion and indeed are interested in all theories that might lead to telling Beth and Dave what happened to their daughter.

    181. Richard on December 18th, 2006 11:43 am

      Thanks, Katablog and all. Have just spent one of those harrowing sessions when you’re on the helpline for two hours or so with the computer gurus from India … and then what they say doesn’t work and you start all over again.

      But it seems that the home Internet connection, though horribly slow, is back up again. For now, anyways.

    182. para2legal on December 18th, 2006 12:07 pm

      OMG – #151 – Most excellent picture Carpe! I think Urine’s new girl looks a lot like his mama (without the peek-a-boo blouse). Keep up the good work.

    183. vicki on December 18th, 2006 12:09 pm

      Richard, what I read in your comments are what us monkeys are all about. Caring about Justice. Its dispecable[sp] what certain ppl in lieruba has done to this farce of an investigation. From the biggest LIAR PM odeber, to the drug takin/dealing dumpigs brother in law that lives in the bushes outside the Holiday Inn. This Island is a den of inequity[sp] and I feel sorry for any good ppl living there. I bet TACOJOE, NOONE LIKES URINE NOW.

    184. Meee on December 18th, 2006 12:23 pm

      Last Friday on Regis and Kelly the idiots gave away a Vacation trip to Aruba on there free vacation wheel. The two morons don’t get it. http://www.register.go.com/regisandkelly/index feel free to let them know how you feel about them giving away free vacations to Aruba. http://www.drphil.com/plugger/respond/?plugID=9163 feel free to ask him about the tapes. Now for the important stuff. http://www.diario-aruba.com scroll down to servicio and click on contact. Say hi to Jossy. Ask him to keep up the good work. And to stay on the sexual assualt charges and to get to work on the obstruction charges http://www.peterrdevries.nl I click on tips en vragen, because i can’t read Dutch. Ask him the same as Jossy.

    185. Roy on December 18th, 2006 12:35 pm

      Now this is one trial I’d like to see. For K2, you asked for it, pls don’t back out…I think they do iffn the third party request is granted…all that will do is emphasize these boys as liars and complicit…not that there is any doubt anyway….. Those tapes are legit … Joran begged out… will K2? 10 will get you 20!

    186. Meee on December 18th, 2006 12:36 pm

      Ask Nancy Grace why she hasn’t been giving the story some more air time??? http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html/?24 Give our boy Geraldo a shout. He’s still calling it a coverup. comments@geraldoatlarge.com How about Oprah??? http://www.oprah.com/email/reach/email_reach_fromu.jhtml You can also e-mail ontherecord@foxnews.com and give greta an opinion on her coverage. Or email the lineupo@foxnews.com

    187. Meee on December 18th, 2006 12:38 pm

      lineup@foxnews.com you would have thought i could do these links in my sleep by now

    188. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 12:45 pm

      Yikes Richard!

      2 hours on the phone with someone ya can’t understand is nothing less than torture. Glad your back up & running!

    189. Richard on December 18th, 2006 12:50 pm

      Not very good, perhaps … but what I’m trying to say is:


      December 18, 2006

      The Dr. Phil Show
      5482 Wilshire Blvd., #1902
      Los Angeles, CA 90036

      To Whom It May Concern:

      I do not have a television, care nothing for talk shows, and am absolutely uninterested in getting advice on my relationships or hearing about the dating problems of other people.

      But I am concerned about two Americans missing in the Caribbean – Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway – and am glad that you have given air time to the families of both.

      You are of course informed about the lawsuit filed against you by lawyers for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe of Aruba and the allegations behind that action. I suspect their charges are frivolous and despicable, in line with the behavior of all the Aruban suspects, and indeed of the Aruban government and law enforcement, since May 30, 2005. But my opinions are not based on solid information, and hence are of no significance to anyone.

      You should know that Mr. Joe Tacopino, a lawyer for Joran van der Sloot of Aruba, on The Line-Up for December 16 said unequivocally that the tapes of your Kalpoe interview were doctored. According to a verbatim transcription on a Web site, Mr. Tacopino said:

      “if the Kalpoe brothers truly want to pursue a claim against Dr. Phil, first that was in fact doctored, there’s no question, the question is whether Dr. Phil knew or not because there were no admissions on the real tape, the one that was doctored had admissions on it….”

      The implications of these comments are best addressed by your legal counsel. But for Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway, the American people remain determined to find answers. I hope that you will respond to this public assault in such a way as to show Aruba that its unending tactics of blaming the victims has never worked, and never will.



    190. Richard on December 18th, 2006 12:52 pm

      Thanks, Vicki … and amen, Mee!! I’m writing to Regis and Kelly later on today.

    191. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 2:13 pm

      182 – Para. LOL Thank you!



    192. MIss-Underestimated on December 18th, 2006 2:22 pm

      Remember that old saying ” it will all come out in the wash”, well I think we are heading to the washing machine in more than one way. Richard, tell it like it is, ignore the trolls.

    193. Mortella on December 18th, 2006 3:42 pm

      Waiting for Dr. Phil to file countersuit against Kelpoes. Between that and the HI’s wrongful death suit, I see a lot of poverty in the Kelpoes future.

      Hey, Aruba, don’t you love these two for putting this back in the spotlight and back on the Front Pages of MSM everywhere? Just when you thought people might begin to forget about it, you have Deepak and Satish to thank for reminding the whole world of what they did and how you failed to act.

      And this is likely to keep it there for months to come! Daily news coverage again and all the rest. Kiss any tourism you were hoping to salvage good bye thanks to Nadira’s greedy boys.

    194. JusticeforNatalee on December 18th, 2006 3:47 pm

      * Mailing Address:
      “Live with Regis and Kelly”
      7 Lincoln Square New York, NY 10023

      * Fax number: (800) 330-1106

    195. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 4:17 pm

      December 18, 2006

      Natalee Holloway:

      Is no jurisdiction safe from Twitty lawsuits;
      Parents declare Natalee Dead

      –Steve Yuhas


      “It is interesting that no lawsuits have been filed
      anywhere that Beth Twitty, Natalee Holloway or the
      rest of her kin-folk have any connection. Why are
      they not suing anyone in Alabama? I’d start with
      the chaperones; they are in Alabama and were in
      Aruba when Natalee disappeared and at least one
      told a different story from some people on the
      same trip, but they’re not in court.



      Steve Yuhas is a radio talk show host on
      NewsRadio 600 KOGO in southern California
      and may be reached at steve@steveyuhas.com

      Carpe Notes- This sad sack simply gets off on being
      an OJ, JORANESQUE TYPE prick.

      He sucks it with vim, and also verve.

      He’s ‘prolly’ not even worth the email!

      …but if your ass is in a pucker today… by all
      means, level that quivering sack of a$$.

      ( legally of course )

      What a loser cootie, numbnut.

      If he needed CPR,
      I’d pepper spray that load
      good and heavy.




    196. tuyvnsurvivor on December 18th, 2006 4:26 pm

      Beth to be on Dr Phil in a very few minutes.

    197. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 4:51 pm

      Thanks tuyvnsurvivor!



    198. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 5:02 pm

      DR. PHIL – 1st Segment Marlon and Shamika. LOL

      It’s gonna be a little bit…

    199. nychic on December 18th, 2006 5:08 pm

      If possible –

      Check Out Beth On Dr. Phil today -

      Just Watched It Here (In TX At The Moment)

      Beth Looked Great – Dr. Phil Said Some Great Things !!

    200. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 5:12 pm

      Mayan – I didn’t forget, still
      tracking that exect pic down.

      Sorry it’s taking so long!


      24 MARRIOTT BASIN – snap

      Very visible white paint looking
      hand print on top of wall of
      basin on 24.


      ***Note- White paint type crap that they
      are painting on the ground and
      rocks. #38 ???

      White looking paint print over
      several areas of the top of the
      MARRIOTT BASIN walls? #24 ???

      J4N -

    201. nychic on December 18th, 2006 5:19 pm

      ***Dr. Phil Quote Of The Day***

      “I Made A Promise That I Will Not Let The Case Of Natalee Holloway Get Old And Cold”

    202. nychic on December 18th, 2006 5:22 pm

      Thanks to Klaas For Posting This In The Forum:


    203. JusticeforNatalee on December 18th, 2006 5:26 pm

      So Oduber, you are sick of Natalee’s case?

      I bet right now the tourism numbers are making you really sick!

      We Natalee supporters at Scared Monkeys,
      all over the US,
      in fact, all over the WORLD,
      are sick of the

    204. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 6:30 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I knew ya didn’t forget friend, if i could just send it you wouldn’t hafta be looking. Could you post the link to your photo collection here again? With the heat turned up thanks to the Kalpukes we want to keep those pics front & center.

    205. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 6:42 pm

      Seeing that hand print on that basin was/is most interesting. Could it be possible to identify the fingerprints and/or palm prints? I say there is a very good possibilty if the right person tested it. Certain techniques of this kind do exist, so think its worth a try. Wonder if Professor Larry Kobalenski (sp) could tell us…..if it CAN be done then he’s the person who would know.

    206. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 6:50 pm

      Hey nychic!

      I saw Beth today too & she did look good. There is NO WAY i believe that Dr. Phil or Skeeters did anything shady like all those goons on Arubad claim. They are the sham & conartist people, they don’t nor ever did have an ounce of integrity. Every word outta their mouths nothing but LIES.

    207. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 7:01 pm

      We Rally Around The Family.


      Bend Down And Kiss It, To The Guilty!

      Your Carefree Hunting Bifron Days – OVER.



      We Will Track You. We Will Find You.

      By Air, Land, & Internet to all four corners.


      We WILL See That You

      Get The Proper Attention

      You Deserve.

      Wot-evuh that may be.




      Justice 4 Miss Natalee

    208. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 7:25 pm

      Thank you, Mayan-

      Here they are.






      50 pages / 984 RELATED CASE PICS



      Both places are updated
      on a daily basis. -J4N-

    209. JusticeforNatalee on December 18th, 2006 7:56 pm
    210. ben on December 18th, 2006 8:11 pm

      The Kalpos will be the ones that bring Joran down.

    211. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 8:34 pm

      Thank You JFN!

    212. Houston on December 18th, 2006 8:53 pm

      Nightmare Island….this place will always be Nightmare Island….they make it up as they go and think the world will believe their nightmare story.

    213. Richard on December 18th, 2006 9:00 pm

      “Dr Phil: We stand by the integrity of that taped interview that was played on the show.”

      Comments, Tacopino?

    214. yoyo muffintop on December 18th, 2006 9:32 pm

      Dr Phil: We played footage of an interview with the older Kalpoe brother, Deepak as it was gathered by Jamie Skeeters and they’re now contesting what was said and have sued this show and made allegations against me and you of tampering with the tape.
      Allegations against Beth Twitty altering the tape in the lawsuit? Comment Dr. Phil?

      Dr Phil, you make about 20mill a year, and according to you are the only one left that was willing to help the family, yet when Tim Miller said that for 150,000 he could find Natalee in the ocean, why did YOU not step up to pay? Comment Dr Phil?

    215. para2legal on December 18th, 2006 9:33 pm

      This is morbid, but has Natalee has been declared legally dead?

    216. mayan_moons on December 18th, 2006 9:39 pm

      Yes the segment was short but we all understand the reason is they plan do to all their talking in court. We heard what we wanted to hear, that Dr. Phil stands behind the integrity of Skeeters & the tape, and he stands with Beth.
      I knew he would but watching him tell Beth again this afternoon meant the world to Beth & all of us who support the family.

    217. pcot on December 18th, 2006 9:49 pm

      Dr. Phil show transcribed by HELI at Refugees:
      Dr Phil Show Dec 18/06 TRANSCRIPT

      Dr Phil Show
      December 18, 2006

      Transcribed from tv recording

      Dr Phil:

      The Natalee Holloway case has made worldwide headlines and I have been working diligently with the missing teen’s very brace mother, Beth Twitty, to try and find answers. I told her at the time, that I knew the headlines would change and people’s attention would move off of this, but my commitment was I would not allow this to get old and cold and would stay the course no matter what obstacles were put in our way.

      Take a look at our journey together so far

      (plays video clips)

      “Natalee Holloway disappeared Monday and missed her flight out of Aruba” — unknown news source

      “Within 6 hours after hearing that Natalee was missing I was headed for Aruba” — Beth Twitty

      “What started as a senior class trip to the island of Aruba has turned into a desparate search for a precious missing teen” — Dr Phil

      “Witnesses say these two brothers and 18 year old Joran van der Sloot were seen leaving the bar with Natalee Holloway” — Susan Candiotti

      “Finally after 10 days the police arrested Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot” — Beth Twitty

      “Do you hold out hope against hope that Natalee will be found alive?” — Dr Phil

      “I don’t even go there anymore, I’m just so wanting an answer” — Beth Twitty

      “You need to deal with the fact that Natalee might not come home” — Dr Phl

      “All 3 suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway may be released tomorrow” — unknown news source

      “They asked me when I was leaving Aruba for good. I said I will not be living in Aruba but I will never, ever leave Aruba” — Beth Twitty

      “We need to tell these people we will never set foot on aruban soil again until you stand up and do what you have to do for this young woman. If you’re not going to treat americans with dignity and respect, then you’re not going to treat ‘em at all” — Dr Phil

      “I will be contacting the governors of the other 49 states and urging them to join Alabama in this boycott.” — Governor Riley

      “Dr Phil, you’ve been right along, you knew when it was time to step up for this boycott and you know when it’s time to begin another search method for Natalee too.” — Beth Twitty

      “Since the last time we were on the Dr Phil Show, I had a chance meeting of an attorney and I sought his help” — Beth Twitty

      **GMAFB video of John Kelly and Beth in his apartment; does that media whore ever go anywhere without a camera in tow?

      “When I made my first trip to Aruba, I met with Deputy Chief Dompig and Karin Janssen the prosecutor down there. I spent a lot of time clearing the air” — John Kelly

      “Shortly after, a man by the name of Steve Cohen announced that the suspects would be re-interrogated” — Beth Twitty

      “The Aruba authorities raised expectations with absolutely no results” — John Kelly

      “What wound up happening was the interrogation of the suspects was absolutely nothing” — Beth Twitty

      “The last thing we want to do is be part of the emotional trauma that you’ve experienced up to this point.” — Steve Cohen

      “Each official that has given us that false hope, you know a family doesn’t need that, they need facts, they don’t need false hopes” Beth Twitty

      “This woman is sitting there with her daughter defiled, missing, whatever and she’s wanting answers and getting political responses. This woman needs to bury her daughter or find her daughter.” — Dr Phil

      (end of video clips)

      I sat down recently with Beth again to talk about some very interesting developments in this story.

      Beth tell me what’s gone on since we talked last.


      I’ve really been involved with a foundation that I’ve established, it’s International Safe Travel s Foundation . I’ve been really busy with messages to highschool and college students and Auburn University is working right now in conjunction with the Foundation in developing a curriculum. We’re just delving into the legal and safety issues for persons travelling internationally.

      The third thing that has come about is the lawsuit that has been filed.

      Dr Phil:

      We played footage of an interview with the older Kalpoe brother, Deepak as it was gathered by Jamie Skeeters and they’re now contesting what was said and have sued this show and made allegations against me and you of tampering with the tape. How do you feel about the fact that they sued the show over that broadcast that you and I did then?


      The reason they’re doing it is because there have been no repercussions, they’ve never had to be accountable or responsible for any actions they’ve taken. No matter what they do, no matter how many lies they generate, they just feel as if there’s nothing that’s going to happen to them.

      Dr Phil

      Let’s look at the upside of our being sued by these suspects in the case; that has established a jurisdictional right for you to file a lawsuit against them for what?


      With the wrongful death (**there was a cut in the tape here, whatever Beth said was edited out) that will allow now the attorneys to depose these suspects and see if we can get to the inconsistencies in all of the statements. That’s what we’ve asked for all along , we’ve just wanted somebody to hold their feet to the fire and get to the bottom of what happened besides all these litany of lies they just continue to generate.

      Dr Phil:

      When you step back and take a broad view of the fact that we took up Natalee’s cause when everybody was thinking this is old and cold and we got sued for out troubles, how does that make you feel about that?


      Oh gosh Dr Phill, it makes me sick. All that you’ve tried to do from the beginning is just get to the bottom of it, get the answers

      Dr Phil:

      We stand by the integrity of that taped interview that was played on the show and we stand by you continuing this investigation to find out what has happened to Natalee.


      It’s certainly not a talk show, it has just been action from you. Everything that you have done has been the right step at the right time and what I needed was what you provided and that’s what keeps a path moving towards justice, towards answers.

      Dr Phil:

      It’s frustrating, but here’s what we know for sure. We know Natalee disappeared and is still missing, we know that you don’t have answers and we know we have an unfettered right to discuss it and talk about it and we’re going to continue to talk about it until we get answers and the guilty people are held accountable and we are not going to be intimidated by some ridiculous lawsuit.


      And I want you Dr Phil, John Kelly and the team that you have, that’s who I want to find the answers because the aruban government is not going to do anything.

      Dr Phil:

      You’ve got a great lawyer in John Kelly so I know we’re all going to continue to stay the course and I’m sorry that we’re having to do it but Natalee deserves nothing less.

    218. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 9:50 pm
    219. JusticeforNatalee on December 18th, 2006 10:00 pm

      Hey, Aruba,

      In case you haven’t quite gotten the gist of our message:

      We think your handling of the Natalee Holloway case has been


    220. anne on December 18th, 2006 10:32 pm

      This is a previous letter written to my congressmen and adapted for delivery to Regis and Kelly. Please feel free to copy is and fax it to “Live with Regis and Kelly” at 800-330-1106 (Thanks for the fax number, J4N)

      To: Live with Regis and Kelly

      Fr: Your Name


      I am writing in regard to Natalee Ann Holloway, the 18-year-old U.S. citizen who disappeared on the island of Aruba and whose family has suffered enormously at the hands of the Aruban government and law enforcement.

      Please remove the trip to Aruba from your Travel Wheel and show your support to the Holloway-Twitty families as they endeavor to recover information about Natalee, as well as to help bring her home to her family.

      There is evidence of substantial corruption within the Aruban Law Enforcement which has resulted in a cover-up of enormous proportions regarding the disappearance of Natalee. Evidence points to her murder, the disposal of her body and the purposeful evasion of law enforcement by those involved.

      I would like to call your attention to the website, scaredmonkeys.com, at which much investigative research has been conducted. The owners of the website have participated in the actual search for Natalee, and posters have scrutinized the case, finding ties to organized crime out of Chicago and South Florida. Videos of Aruba have surfaced on the Internet which feature local officials painting over probable crime sites among dead bodies on rocky beaches. Most alarming is the part of the video featuring a plastic bag left in a basin through which multiple corpses can be seen – one of which shares identical facial features (hairline, teeth, eyes, and nose) of Natalee.

      I appeal to you to stop supporting Aruban tourism by removing the trip to Aruba from your Travel Wheel. I hope to increase your awareness of this case and urge you to share the desperation her family endures as they try to seek justice and ultimately recover their daughter.

      Your support can help bring Natalee home to her family and to the United States where she belongs.

    221. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 11:28 pm

      Nice post Anne! (letter to R & K)

      Here are some MARRIOTT WATER
      BASIN #24 VIDEO SLIDES that I
      have been working on.

      Some enhanced images -

      Those corpses/bodyparts/human remains
      that you speak of.

      pics. WARNING: GRAPHIC






      -J4N, people.


      Give it up, ARUBA.

    222. Carpe Noctem on December 18th, 2006 11:55 pm

      one more – with guides



      The BACKYARD – Never take and eye off of it.

      Not for one minute.



      Hey Paulus, can we search the back yard…??????

      seeing how you’re innocent and all… ?????

      you probably want to get the 800 pound

      gorilla off Joran’s back. RIGHT?


    223. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2006 12:00 am

      I’m still scratching my head about the timing of it all folks. How the Kalpuke’s filed this suit before there is a disposition of their criminal charges much less their suspect status reaffirmed by the judge in Aruba.

    224. Mortella on December 19th, 2006 12:00 am

      YoYo last time when Tim Miller went to Aruba to actually do that search, Chief Dompig did not have the time to write a very short letter authorizing the equipment be allowed on the island. Why give Aruba the chance to mess things up like that again after tremendous effort going into organizing a search

      People donate their vacation time to participate in those searches and after they have it all coordinated for Aruba to throw in a monkey wrench like that is reprehensible.

      As for Dr. Phil financing it, why go to all that effort with no guarantees from Aruba they will even allow it to be conducted? Perhaps Dr. Phil does not think Natalee was taken out to sea.

      Maybe he should file a counter suit for defamation by the Kelpoes. Then he would have plenty of money for searches , lol, like they have any to pay.

      Aruba should have already conducted these searches and at their own expense. Just about all the searching has been the effort of tourists, family and TES. And, no, I don’t count the airshow as a serious effort at searching but more of a routine training session just given a new name to try to pass it off as an attempt to find Natalee, a joke.

      Dompig blocked this search when it was all scheduled. Let him pay for it now.

    225. yoyo muffintop on December 19th, 2006 12:22 am

      Anne – You’ve got to be kidding me…send this to the FBI not Regis, so they can swoop down on Miami & Chicago. You’ve got it solved. Oh boy…

      btw – rumor has it that 2K was offered a sealed ooc settlement but turned it down for more $$

    226. mayan_moons on December 19th, 2006 12:49 am

      See…..thats the mentality we’ve had to contend with guys,
      bad mouthing Dr. Phil yet thinking & suggesting that he pay expenses. Natalee didn’t go missing on Dr. Phil’s island, Aruba should pay it. See…..they don’t deserve to have American tourists, they don’t appreciate Americans & the money they spend. eff em!

      everything aruba=$hit

    227. Betty on December 19th, 2006 1:05 am

      #177..Richard, your post made alot of sense. I have been saying that from day one. I believe the same

    228. nychic on December 19th, 2006 2:17 am

      yoyo -

      Funny you should throw out this settlement offer b.s.
      when you are always wanting “proof of statements”

      Can you please provide your source of this info ?

      Also – is it really necessary to even mention the R Word
      here ? (as I’m sure this is your source yoyo)

    229. nychic on December 19th, 2006 2:28 am

      btw -

      How Great Was It To Hear Dr. Phil Broadcast This Loud & Clear To The World:


    230. Carpe Noctem on December 19th, 2006 4:07 am

      I kept on working with

      the body in the basin MARRIOTT

      PALM BEACH image in to the night.


      I hadn’t worked with this set of

      pics *like this* in a while! I think the enhancements

      have brought out some new things that I was not

      noticing before. I’ve never been able to get

      in this close with this amount of “clarity”

      *the best CLARITY we’re gonna get outta that

      $hitty vid. they provided us, ANYWAY.


      The person who taped them might want to
      consider a new career. Like Car Rentals,


      — Here:





      -Justice 4 Nat

    231. Richard on December 19th, 2006 6:03 am

      Good letter, Anne (220). I want to emphasize to that TV show that they are undermining our efforts to seek justice for an American citizen. Aruba thinks it can work through slimeballs like them to weaken the impact of the boycott.

      Also, of course, they are possibly helping put more Americans in a position of danger. This is why Curves changed course, cancelled its ads in Ladies Home Journal (the CEO said he hadn’t known of the ad campaign, but ended it with no ado once it was pointed out to him), and said that Aruba was no fit place to send Americans to at this time.

      I wonder if we can find out who sponsors that “Regis and Kelly” show. Copy them in on our letters; that might get a response, and a quick one.

      As for the show, Beth is 100% on the mark:

      “The reason they’re doing it is because there have been no repercussions, they’ve never had to be accountable or responsible for any actions they’ve taken. No matter what they do, no matter how many lies they generate, they just feel as if there’s nothing that’s going to happen to them.”

      But they’re going to find out that they’re wrong.

    232. Robert on December 19th, 2006 7:24 am

      Hé Carpe (and others),

      Is there a picture of the VanderSloot-house-neighbourhood? I’ve looked for it on Google-Earth but couldn’t find it. I have understood that it is on Montagne-road near the big crossing.
      I would like to understand more of this propable crime-scéne and the route the suspects might have taken.

      Thanks in advance!

    233. 10061906 on December 19th, 2006 8:00 am

      Hi Robert;
      Try this virtual tour aerial map. It should help.

    234. SUPER DAVE on December 19th, 2006 8:04 am

      yoyorenfro: we know who you are. spewing your lies like flies. you’re going to get a big surprise !

    235. MIss-Underestimated on December 19th, 2006 9:25 am

      1906 Good to see you.

    236. vicki on December 19th, 2006 9:47 am

      1906, so good to hear from you #233, hope you are better-happy holidays to allyou dedicated ppl that want JUSTICE. I thought that Dear Beth looked so sad…I cant blame her. nd Christmas without Natalee. I dont know how she can bear it. YoYo, do you have any Children? Please go away…It really hurts to much.

    237. Robert on December 19th, 2006 10:02 am

      Thanks 10061906,

      But that’s more or less the same I can see on Google Earth. What I meant to ask is: where is the house located? On a map on the SM-forum (the time-line-page) it is indicated that it’s near (NorthEast of) the northern big crossing at the Montagne-road. Does anyone know it more precisaly?

    238. dennisintn on December 19th, 2006 11:31 am

      #225, i think the only offer from dr. phil’s lawyers was for the kalpoe’s to take a flying leap to hell, and offered a kickstart to get them there.

    239. Richard on December 19th, 2006 11:55 am

      DennisIntl, if that’s true about the lawyers offering to give the Kalpoes a good kick to Hell, they’re the most decent lawyers I’ve ever heard about. What say we all volunteer to give enthusiastic support, and a few kicks ourselves?

      1006, hope you’re feeling better and glad to see you here.

      Robert, here’s a question I’ve asked before; maybe you can help out. If (when) I write to the Queen of the Netherlands, what salutation and closing should be used?

      I mean, you can’t start the letter with “Hey there,” and end it with “Thanks for listening.” Do you know the protocol for these, in English? Thanks for helping.

    240. Carpe Noctem on December 19th, 2006 12:21 pm

      Hey Robert,

      Here’s a thread of maps of the nighborhood,
      and the VDS house. ( read IMO – a crimes scene )

      It’s a long thread and
      what I think you are looking for is
      about halfway down the track. Also, look on the
      bottom of the GOOGLE EARTH shots and record
      those G.P.S. Positioning Coords. – I think
      you can reverse engineer it from those?

      If all else fails,

      just ask Klassend our beloved SM admin. She’s like
      the character ‘Tucan Sam’, she always knows! She’ll
      be able to better point you in the right direction

      568 Days since ARUBA let the lying Van der sloots
      and Kalpoes get away with rape, murder, and
      body disposal on the HOLLOWAYS/TWITTYS’

      …and Carin Jaansen, and all of
      ARUBA still does nothing.

      They are purified filth to behave like this.


      Peace On Earth and Goodwill to all-

      May Santa Be Good To You, and fill
      FORGIVENESS this season &
      all year long.

      …and P.S. Don’t forget to BOYCOTT


      A – R – O – O – B – A

      TY, that is all…



    241. Robert on December 19th, 2006 12:47 pm

      Thanks Carpe (and 1906),

      Found it – thanks to your link – on GoogleEarth as well now.
      (N 12 º 33′ 23.41 & W 70 º 01′ 41. 48)

    242. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2006 1:10 pm

      Hello, 1906, and the very best wishes to you.

    243. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2006 1:12 pm

      YoYo Renfro,

      Dr. Phil has helped Beth far more than Aruban authorities have.

      And the big difference with Dr. Phil is that he WANTS to solve the case and WANTS to find Natalee.

    244. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2006 2:42 pm

      Just a tip to aid in the letter writing process:

      Sometimes you can change or add a few lines in one of
      your previous letters to create a new and relevant letter.

    245. Carpe Noctem on December 19th, 2006 4:01 pm

      Aruba where did you let your murdering raping

      Kalpoe and Van der Rape families ‘DISAPPEARED’

      HER TO? Tell me this right now, you slimebags.



      Justice 4 Natalee!

      …and the BOYCOTT BEAT GOES ON….


    246. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2006 4:28 pm

      With all the attention on the lawsuits, let’s not forget:
      Dompig himself has admitted
      there is enough evidence to PUT J2K AWAY for EIGHT YEARS.

      Let’s continue to hammer that point home
      and encourage media to do likewise.


    247. Carpe Noctem on December 19th, 2006 7:24 pm



      What do you do WHEN YOUR KID IS A BRAT?

      Pampered and SPOILED like a SI-A-MESE CATTT!!!

      Dr. Phil :shock: :shock: :shock: follows up on what ever happened to those crazy murdering raping

      see pic link:



      To my fellow GOOGLE EARTH MAP users

      Your “FLY TO” COORDS

      to the Van der Sloots backyard…

      (where I think
      Natalee is buried
      under concrete)

      Copy and paste this
      line into your
      ‘FLY TO’
      box and
      hit OK.

      12 33’23.43 N, 70 01’40.68 W


      -J4N ;-)


    248. Maggie on December 19th, 2006 7:35 pm

      Noone has come forward to see Natalee since she was in the company of Deepak, Satish and Joran. She was never seen again after being in the car with them. That speaks volumes to me. Why in the world would you lie about a person who’s missing right off if you know nothing about it and keep searchers and police from finding her or evidence of her being in a certain place for 9 days? Why would you set 2 men up for murder and kidnapping if you had no clue what happened to her. Why would you constantly obstruct a police investigation if you had nothing to hide. Deepak said it in his own words. They wanted to throw a police investigation off. Why? if they knew nothing except Natalee stayed on the beach. Innocent people don’t need false alibis and lies. 18 months and it’s never changed. Natalee was last seen in the company of Deepak, Satish and Joran and not one person or thing has come along to change that at all. Not one person has come forward to see Natalee anywhere. Not one thing has come along to link Natalee to anyone else. She didn’t evaporate or sprout wings and fly off the island with no belongings. Noone has found her or his shoes, he reportedly says was left on the beach. The answers are with those 3 and the father.

      Why are defense attorneys predicting the K2 will drop the lawsuit? Why are they afraid of the K2 doing depositions? We know the answer why, so does the defense attorneys. Joke of the Year: Kock saying Beth was suing to make a profit. I lost all respect for him after reading that. His clients are the ones who keep talking about money and book deals, as if everyone in the USA is waiting to read a book written by those 3. The police transcripts and appearances by them and their families on the news tells me all I need to know about the kind of people they are.

      I was going thru the channels on tv and saw the “Aruban Classic” on the game show channel… Texas hold em game from Aruba.. I was surprised the 3 suspects weren’t the hosts.

    249. IndyDan on December 19th, 2006 8:53 pm

      vicki #236. That’s a disgusting thought, you should be ashamed thinking it. Let’s hope not and I’m guessing not.

    250. nychic on December 19th, 2006 8:57 pm

      Just Wondering…

      What Would You Actually Do Or Say If You Came Into Contact
      Face To Face With Those Rat-Face Kalpukes If They Were To
      Show Up In The U.S. ???

      I Know What Comes Up In My Mind…And I Must Say They Are
      Lucky I Do Not Live In California…It Is Truly A Sickening Thought—

      As For The 3rd Pig – Well – We Won’t Go There Today

    251. Elizabeth on December 19th, 2006 9:37 pm

      Great Point, Maggie!

      One thing that has me particularly concerned is that the filing of the lawsuit by the Kalpoes against Dr. Phil shows a willingness on their part to talk.

      There have been an overwhelming amount of pressure put on the Kalpoes to do just that. However, given our inability to allow them to speak, they may never feel the urge to speak again.

      Were the Kalpoes really guilty of anything more than bad association? Were they part of the loss of life? Were they part of the cover up or were they simply pawns in a game that was much bigger and ever more powerful than them? We may never know. Why? Because, in all our flurry and all our anger, we forgot how to listen.

    252. katablog on December 19th, 2006 10:13 pm

      Elizabeth: I don’t think it’s a willingness to talk but rather a greed to make sure they get something out of this. I think they are mad that so far, they’ve not been in the money stream.

      After 18 months of practice, maybe Deepak thinks he’s ready to face a court. Maybe he thinks that if Joran can do interviews and lie and get away with it, he and Satish can also.

      However, I think Deepak is banking in the wrong place. From what’s been said about Satish, he’s fragile and will probably crack at some point. I also doubt if Deepak is as good a liar as Joran; but then, I don’t think anyone has really put the hard questions to Joran. Greta’s interview as way too soft. She may say it was deposition like, but it wasn’t like any deposition I’ve been present for.

      Yes, the first part of a deposition would go just like Greta’s interview. We go through, lock the deponent into his story and don’t do much follow up, get him feeling at easy and then circle back on him with the hard stuff.

    253. Elizabeth on December 19th, 2006 10:46 pm

      Katablog: (I have the utmost respect for you)

      I don’t think that this has anything to do with money. I think it has more to do with pride, justice and the ability to free oneself of the deeds of another, safely.

      If the Kalpoes are distancing themselves from the Van der Sloots, I welcome it and to me, it’s priceless.

    254. yoyo muffintop on December 19th, 2006 11:57 pm

      nychic – didn’t you read the lawsuit? Why you still hatin’ Joran? Joran left her at the beach, D went to the beach were Joran left Natalee and so on…It’s all in there – why the continued hatred?
      Interesting about what isn’t in the lawsuit – I guess we now know Joran never confessed on 6/10.


      SM:   Many of us don’t believe Natalee was ever at the beach that night, at least not while still alive.   Tell me how this proves there was never a confession on 6/10?   (klaasend)

    255. JusticeforNatalee on December 19th, 2006 11:58 pm


      Your commentary about the Kalpoe lawsuits was very interesting.

    256. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 12:49 am

      ((nychic – didn’t you read the lawsuit? Why you still hatin’ Joran?))

      I am not Nychic… but, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night… & I think I can field
      this one!

      Uh… YO-DO, maybe it is because your little carnivorous
      MULTIPLE dog executing, bifron of a murdering
      raping buddy IS THE ABSOLUTE #1 SUSPECT
      in the disappearance of NAH?
      Oh yes, that’s it.

      He is why Natalee is not able
      to celebrate Christmas with
      her family again this year!

      We continue to hate WHORIN’ JORAN because
      he is a back stabbing little filthy hateful
      to cops and media. ( his father even
      helped him do it- like popsie like son,
      rrrright? )

      He taunted the Polis
      numerous times in his interrogations…
      so much so that they went as FAR AS TO LABEL
      HIM A genuine full-on effing ‘PSYCOPATH.’

      That is a title ya just don’t pick up overnight!

      WTG:J-Bo Heyyyyyy!!!!!! U GO GIRL.

      Anybody who can read, and knows even the most basic
      signs to look for when spotting lies can tell that
      the beach scenario only took place in his large

      He needs jail or assassination.

      That is MHO -

      and damn it,

      I’m sticking to it. I vote JORAN
      for ‘DIRT BATH’
      2008. lol



    257. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 1:04 am
    258. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 1:18 am




    259. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 2:20 am

      Carpe! LOL I can’t help it you make me laugh! I was drinking coffee & almost spewed at the screen when you was telling one of the trolls to “go siphon gas so hard till the insides of your head stick together!”

    260. Robert on December 20th, 2006 5:09 am

      Hi Richard,

      I hadn’t seen your post (239) yet, sorry… I have answerd this question in an earlier thread but it was removed I guess because I put a lot of adresses to write to, in that post. But anyway… The correct salutation for the queen is just Your Majesty. I couldn’t find anything else in the dutch sites I searched. So no “Dear” ‘s and so on.
      About the conclusion of the letter…. I realy don’t know but I’ll look again what dutch sites say about this. Later…

    261. Richard on December 20th, 2006 6:49 am

      One of the basic questions that I have is: how is it that Joran van der Scum and the Kalpoes happened to be associated on that fateful night? We’ve been told that their acquaintance was only of a few months. And it’s clear that the economic and social status of the van der Sloots, at least in the eyes of Aruba, is above that of the Kalpoes.

      So why is it that Joran would want their company? If he wanted or needed some kind of reassurance, why not his other buddies in the “Pimps”? Why not the kid who was staying in his apartment that night?

      We should keep in mind that one of the TV shows (was it Greta vS?), some months after Natalee disappeared, caught Deepak on film at the entrance to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies, hanging around in a crowd of young people with a paper bag.

      Once Deepak looked up and saw that he was being filmed, he “shagged ass” (as we used to say; pardon the crudity) out of there.

      Those people who follow the Shango theory will remember that near the Lion’s Den, supposedly the center of the evil, was a Surinamese restaurant. I don’t know whether the Kalpoe family is tied to this, but one would presume that since they were from Suriname, they would at least be on speaking terms with the proprietor. No evidence, though.

      Here again, what are the group dynamics at work? We can probably assume that the Kalpoes were the wannabes of the “Pimps”; lower on the totem pole, less important, hoping to be accepted by the “exclusive” society of the scummiest people on Aruba.

      Can we imagine that they were the “mules” of the group? Not only doing the street-corner peddling of drugs, but acting as liasion with hardened criminals? I can’t say for sure, but there must be some reason that the young people of Aruba’s privileged class accepted them.

      I don’t want to engage in racist speculations, but it MIGHT be fair to think that, if an operation against a tourist girl were underway, this would give them a “chance” that they certainly would never see on their own.

      In one way or another, then, I’m wondering if their job was to act as “muscle.” Certainly you would think that Joran would bring along, if he needed companions at all, some of the Dutch scions.

      It’s possible that it was an entirely random event, that nothing horrific was planned and that he just happened to invite Deepak to go with him because Deepak was the first one with whom he talked. But I doubt it.

      My idea is that this was some kind of test for the Kalpoes, or at least for Deepak … Satish might just have been allowed to tag along as younger brothers (I was one) often get to do … and maybe they were involved in setting up contacts for Natalee’s being taken off the island. But I think it’s more likely, if that happened at all, that it was a sudden decision that came about.

      I think the only beach that figured in was the one where the boat to Venezuela was waiting … the one in which Natalee, probably doped up to the point of unconsciousness, was put in and taken off.

      But whether or not you agree with this, does it puzzle anyone else why Joran would tap the Kalpoes as companions? As I understand it, he had his own vehicle at his house, so was not reliant on them for transport.

    262. Robert on December 20th, 2006 6:54 am

      Richard (239, 259),

      I searched the internet somewhat more and found:

      One site says that the salutation of the Dutch Queen is just “Majesty”; so not even a “Your” before the word Majesty. Further along in the letter you use “Your Majesty”.

      An other site says that the conclusion of the letter for dutch nationals should be: “Van Uwe Majesteit de zeer gehoorzame dienaar en getrouwe onderdaan” which translates something like: “Of Your Majesty the very obedient servent and faithful subject”.

      A Belgium site (in the northern part of Belgium they speak Dutch as well) says that the conclusion in a letter to their King/Queen in general is: “Ik moge de Koningin verzoeken de betuiging van mijn diepe eerbied te willen aanvaarden.” which translates something like: “May I request the King/Queen to accept the expression/attestation of my deep respect/regard”

      To conclude: I haven’t found the 100% right conclusion yet but I suppose it’s something like the two mentioned above; so something like: “May I request Your Majesty to accept the expression of my deep respect.”

    263. vicki on December 20th, 2006 7:16 am

      wheres Jerry[from Ohio}???I hope he is okay..and grande???miss his input…Does anyone know when the case will be heard?

    264. SUPER DAVE on December 20th, 2006 7:48 am

      yoyo renfro: since you were evidently at the crime scene, why don’t you fill us in ?

    265. Robert on December 20th, 2006 8:12 am

      OK.., here’s the last one I’ll post about this thing (239, 259, 260)

      I now searched for actual letters that have been written to HM the Queen; this is how most of them end:

      - With feelings of high regard(s),
      - With feelings of the highest regard(s),
      - With high regard(s)

      That’s it!

    266. Richard on December 20th, 2006 11:38 am

      Thanks for your assistance, Robert. It’s kind of you to give this assistance. Now I have an afterthought … why not check it with the Dutch Embassy, as I usually do! After all, one can’t always rely on the Internet.

      But I appreciate your attention and assistance, and hope that you will keep monitoring this board from Holland.

    267. nychic on December 20th, 2006 12:21 pm


      Your spew becomes more comical after each post -
      obviously a dazed and confused yoyo you have become -
      I suppose if you repeat the same bullshit over and over
      you just might actually start believing it -

      Let me sum it up for you in terms you may comprehend:

      YOYO = FOS

    268. Minnesota Dad on December 20th, 2006 12:22 pm

      This lawsuit still does not make any sense to me after thinking about it for a week or so.

      The only thing I can think of is that due to DeVries and some media outlets, too much pressure was again being brought down on the island and they had to divert attention. File a suit in California.

      The suits have 30 days to respond…..when is Karen Janssen retiring???

      Folks, this is just another game played by Aruba to stretch out and divert attention from the actual business at hand. Mark my words, the Kalpoes will never be deposed and will never, ever follow throw on their lawsuit. This was all just a sham to buy time and take the heat off of them. md

    269. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 12:27 pm


      btw -

      How Great Was It To Hear Dr. Phil Broadcast This Loud & Clear To The World:


      Comment by nychic | December 19, 2006, 2:28 am


      Hey Nyc,

      That line was my one of my fave moments
      of the whole show!


      “and I mean, lay em out, Mac.”

      Mac, you still around? ;-)


      Mister Robinson: Do you know what these are, boys and girls? They’re drums! Do you know where drums come from? From Africa!

      Do you know where “these” drums come from?

      Smokey Robinson was at the Apollo theater
      and left his van open in the back of the place.

      I ripped him off!

      I wonder how Smokey gonna
      sound wit’ no percussion!



      OF THE DAY:




    270. JusticeforNatalee on December 20th, 2006 12:37 pm

      Dompig admits:

      Evidence enough to jail J2K for EIGHT years!

      Janssen, quit hiding behind your designer sunglasses
      and handbags and DO YOUR JOB!


      Justice for Natalee is justice for young women EVERYWHERE.

    271. nychic on December 20th, 2006 12:41 pm


      Carpe – thanks again for the most valiant back-up !

      and Klaas – well like Tom Cruise said in Risky Business:


    272. Robert on December 20th, 2006 12:41 pm


      Some of the letters to the Queen I found on the Internet are (publicly open) letters from high-profile politicians. So I have no doubts wse that their salutations and closings are correct.

    273. Sharon Chicago on December 20th, 2006 1:00 pm

      I THINK it strange that Karen is retiring now. Does she want to go and hide? Just walking away from this mess?

    274. Richard on December 20th, 2006 1:04 pm

      Yo-yos, as I recall, are jerked up and down by pulling on or releasing a string. So who is yanking the chain of the Yo-you who graces our pages? And what if the string is cut?

      JusticeforNatalee, it would be convenient to have a link to that statement by Dompig, if possible.

      Robert, I called the Dutch embassy in the U.S., and was referred to http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl. When I searched for it, a parallel English version came up with all sorts of information and photos. I agree with you: Her Majesty Queen Beatrix doesn’t look like a lady you would want to have angry with you.

      Anyway, the salutation given there was:

      Her Majesty the Queen:
      Your Majesty;

      that’s verbatim. No parting salutation was given.

      Incidentally, I also read on Wikipedia that Queen Beatrix has a lot of sway in foreign policies. Interesting.

    275. Richard on December 20th, 2006 1:06 pm

      When I say “no parting salutation was given,” I meant to say “no closing was given.” Should have, anyway.

    276. vicki on December 20th, 2006 1:14 pm


    277. JusticeforNatalee on December 20th, 2006 1:31 pm

      274 Richard,

      I am referring to Jossy’s statement about Dompig admitting it on tape.

      Not sure where to find it–didn’t Jossy make the statement on both Dana’s show and The Lineup? Maybe there’s a transcript somewhere.

      If anyone can find it for Richard, please do.

    278. JusticeforNatalee on December 20th, 2006 1:38 pm

      Joran, we haven’t forgotten you!

      We still remember that YOUR OWN ATTORNEY
      cleared his conscience and told Karin Janssen
      that you played a MAJOR ROLE in Natalee’s disappearance.

    279. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 1:41 pm

      Hi MD #268

      I agree with you that it reeks of FISHY-SWA…

      and sumpin’ just ain’t right.

      …but, wouldn’t the Kalpoes being hi-pro
      in the news… bring Aruba MORE heated &
      unwanted attention to Demon’s Rock?

      ( as opposed
      to having any beneficial
      diversion value
      by taking the
      heat off? )


      A Rube Uh!

    280. nychic on December 20th, 2006 1:45 pm

      Karin Janssen’s “Retirement”

      Exactly Along The Lines Of Jan Van der Stratten’s
      alleged “Retirement”

      In Other Words – Get The Hell Out Of Aruba

      Flee To The Netherlands And Maybe They Will
      Forget About What I Have Done or Not Done !

    281. Robert on December 20th, 2006 1:52 pm


      I think this one (or something like it) is the best to close with: “With feelings of the highest regard(s) / respect”. (I’m not sure if I use the word “regard” correct here and I don’t know if yes, it is singular or plural.)

    282. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 2:01 pm

      Hey Minnesota Dad!

      I concur with you’re thoughts about the Kalpukes lawsuit being for the most part a tactical diversion to steer all eyes away from Peter de Vries investigation in which he names Paules as involved in the crime itself & the coverup.

      Its weird……on one hand you’ve got the Kalpukes filing this lawsuit which brings more negative attention to Aruba and you would think that would anger Arubad Officials right? Well i’m not seeing any anger directed toward the brothers, not from officials nor from Aruban businessman. Why is that? My guess is that they took the lesser of two evils. Better to have the Kalpukes being the focus of scrutiny than Arubad Officials who helped Paules cover for he and goonboy Jurine.

    283. dennisintn on December 20th, 2006 2:50 pm

      has anyone heard from arubaanse in the last few days? i miss her on the mark and honest remarks.

    284. vicki on December 20th, 2006 3:03 pm

      Hey guys, I was reading back on this front page to june 30th 2005 when there were alot of lierubians posting and #257 by true dutch stated that Peter R de Vries would be there in a few days and he will solve this in no time. I wonder what stopped him from coming all of these long 18 months???Very interesting readings back then…ppl spinning lies big time. On that one article alone there were 802 posts…can u imagine

    285. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 3:13 pm

      Ditto 283 – ARUBAANSE we miss you,

      where the hell are you?

      Mork calling Orson, come in ORSON!


      JORAN, You’re fittin to get an a$$ whuppin’ and tossed
      in the ‘FREEDBIRD CAGE.’

      Just thought you would like
      to know in advance , squirrel boy…
      Merrrrrrrrry Chriiiiiiistmassss!


      Thank you for flying MONKEY AIRWAYS.



    286. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 3:15 pm

      Then again…..if officals are choosing the lesser of two evils, wouldn’t they wait to throw money at the promotion ads untill they could see how the Kalpuke lawsuit comes down?

    287. Richard on December 20th, 2006 3:54 pm

      Thanks, Robert, for the ideas. I wouldn’t want to get Her Majesty upset at me!

      And thanks, JusticeforNatalee, for trying to locate that. If we can find it, be assured that it is going in the letter.

      Mayan Moons, I don’t think the Aruban officials are that bright. They have no idea how to handle this situation, which for them is unprecedented, and it may well be that they are too suspicious or afraid to probe too deeply.

      And, of course, the tourist people wouldn’t be front and center in the “investigation” as would the law enforcement and legal Joes.

      So they’re probably going on the basis of what they’ve done before … and are hoping that by throwing money at the problem, it will go away. That, and doing secret cut-rate deals with hotels, airlines, Regis & Kelly (“Send your guests to Aruba! We’ll make it cheap!”), and anyone else sleazy or dumb enough to go along.

      They are thinking that America will forget about Natalee.

      We know they are wrong.

    288. Robert on December 20th, 2006 3:56 pm

      Hey Vicki,

      PRdVries usualy only steps in to a case when police-investigators have put it on the shelf… I heard Jossy Mansur say (and PRdVries did so too) that PRdVries is still investigating this case. And so is the Dutch cold-case team… And the SM-weblog is keeping the pressure on… And Jossy Mansur is… And many others…

      I think 2007 will turn out to be a great year!!! A year of Justice!!! A year that three juvenile thugs will hate!!! For the trough WILL come out!!! And they’ll end up behind bars… Hopefully for a long time!!!

    289. Robert on December 20th, 2006 4:31 pm

      “The TRUTH will come out” is what I ment to say of course.

    290. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 4:54 pm

      From your lips to God’s ears, Robert!

      That’d be great news, brother.





    291. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 5:23 pm

      A great quick STORY ABOUT ARUBA
      -JULY 2006


      * Not only has the Holloway
      Case been a never ending battle against
      evil ruthless murdering raping criminals the likes
      of Joran Van der Sloot and his father, and
      the two Kalpoe effing morons.

      …but it has also been
      an uphill battle
      against some people
      who seem to be
      STOOPID-ER than
      an effin’
      case of
      Silly Putty!

      ( either they ain’t gawt NO EDU-MA-CATION,
      or they are not making proper use of it. )

      If u have time…

      Read about this ladie’s recent

      visit to


      on her blog. -Interesting.


      ARUBA – I checked again today.

      You still KISS on more ass
      than Julia Renro’s Pool

      Pox on yerrr house!!!


    292. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 5:57 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I’ve been looking at your collection of photos & i really like the way you’ve put it together. I know alittle bit of you is in every single one of them and you’re not looking to get money for it.

      Same with everyone here….giving your time be it posting & connecting, writing letters, research and lots more and not looking to *get paid*

      Contrast that with whats been passing for human beings in Aruba.

      There is no comparrison.

    293. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 6:55 pm


      Check this out. I heard somewhere this past week of a image enhancement facillity called Cognet Tech Imaging Enhancements. Holliday crazy’s have blocked where i learned of it but i managed to jot down the company name.
      They are a new company & i plan on checking them out closer asap.

    294. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 7:05 pm

      Aw hey, ty you mayan!

      I have been looking for the TRACERT picture…

      I just can’t seem to find it. It’s
      like looking for a needle in a haystack.

      Can you send me the pic, or link to the
      one you’re talking about? Sorry.


      As long as I have your attn: CHECK THIS OUT!

      What the hell is this thing???

      There’s probably
      a very good explanation
      as to what the hell
      it is… but, I sure
      can’t seem to stick
      a push-pin in it yet.

      WTF is this thing?



      one of the low vid numbers like 5,7, or 8


      Anybody, anyone have and idea as to what
      the red circled object is? TIA / J4N

    295. Carpe Noctem on December 20th, 2006 7:21 pm




    296. Richard on December 20th, 2006 8:29 pm

      Carpe, thanks for posting that blog. It’s beyond belief that Aruba has its shills approaching anyone who goes there and hands out all this “disinformation” about the Natalee Holloway case. I don’t for one second think this guy believes that … obviously his masters paid him to “spread the word.”

      It seems that the Arubans (with honorable exceptions, such as our Aruban friends here) are not used to challenging their government’s version of events. No wonder the drug cartels have such inroads on Aruba: if they control the small clique that runs the place, they control the island!

      Another boycott target: planners of weddings. Convince them to boycott Aruba.

      That lady’s comments about the heat were echoed by the Bradleys, who rented a Jeep and drove around the island. They went into the interior, to the areas of packs of wild dogs and crack houses, away from the tourist beaches.

      Their impression was, to put it mildly, unfavorable.

    297. JusticeforNatalee on December 20th, 2006 9:16 pm


      The red circled object looks like someone bent over and holding a stick.

    298. JusticeforNatalee on December 20th, 2006 9:20 pm

      296 Carpe,

      Or, are you referring to something else?

    299. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 10:18 pm

      Y/w Carpe!

      Whoa Carpe….i recognize a few things in that new still ya just posted! Yeah it does look like someone bent or stooped over that the arrow is pointing to. I also see a body lying face up with the leg bended at the knee, the knee several inches from the ground. The feet point to my right & the head to my left.

    300. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 10:28 pm

      This body appears to be a female, as you can see her breasts. The body is unclothed & there is what looks to me like a Knife sticking straight in the chest just below her breasts. The knife has gone through this body enough to keep it in that position.

    301. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 10:40 pm

      Look at the space between the red circle & the white box you wrote in. There you see the bended knee.

    302. nychic on December 20th, 2006 11:24 pm

      Carpe -

      Is that our friend Anita In Drag In That Pic ?

      Here are my Anita Comparison shots:


      I still think they all came up with costumes/fake beards that day to hide their true identity -

    303. kaycee77025 on December 20th, 2006 11:45 pm

      Just to let everyone know, Joe T knows which tape is the original because it’s the one Skeeter gave to the FBI.

    304. kaycee77025 on December 20th, 2006 11:49 pm

      Lets see, the chain of evidence was from Skeeter to the FBI to Dutch Law Enforcement. And I believe Skeeter said the tape Dr Phil broadcast was altered (Dutch LE said manipulated.)

    305. kaycee77025 on December 20th, 2006 11:52 pm

      Does the theory of the crime in California differ from the theory presented in NY? If the case goes to trial, the two had best be pretty much the same.

    306. kaycee77025 on December 20th, 2006 11:56 pm

      And what is this theory that because 2K sue Dr Phil, that the VD’s are drug into it? It is just silly!

    307. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 12:53 am

      Really nychic? (post#302) you think they wore costumes & beards? wow well i wouldn’t be suprised….but how bizarro can we go? Looks as if there is no end.

    308. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 1:00 am

      Hey Grampy Coeptis -

      Yo Quiero Mi Puddin Pop, mur fur?

      Take a look.

      ARUBAY – still working
      on tracking down the number.

      I think it’s low, LIKE 5/7/8 ?

      There’s a curly of a chance
      it’s 38, but I really think
      a slim chance.


      The strangeness that is Aruba!




    309. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 1:15 am

      Wide Shot



    310. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 1:28 am

      ROFLMAO Nychic…

      Ohhhh, I see some faux-to choppin’ opportunities
      on the horizon with that Anita pic you
      gave us a link to. ;-)


      We Stand With Natalee &
      Her Family.

      …against an Island full of people
      who apparently have charred out
      black holes where their hearts
      used to exist. The smell of burning
      jet fuel makes me THOROUGHLY ill.

      ARUBA – You have NO
      defense good enough to explain
      your MIS-treatment, & continued
      mistreatment of Natalee & her

      ARUBA –

      We will bury you if you continue down your
      path of the ‘Kamikaze.’ Go to bed tonight
      with that on your pillows, assholes.

      You’re writing your own ‘Island Death Warrant’

      Justice for Natalee


    311. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 1:44 am


      Ladies and Gentleman…

      Please rise to your feet

      for the raising of the new



      Carin Jaansen What Have You Done
      To Find Natalee Today?

      Justice For Natalee
      Justice For Natalee
      Justice For Natalee

    312. JusticeforNatalee on December 22nd, 2006 8:47 pm

      Joran told Freddy “they” panicked when Natalee remained passed out.

      ALE and Karin Janssen, what is WRONG with you?

      You have Joran admitting that Natalee was in severe distress while at least in his company. She REMAINED PASSED OUT. Furthermore, Natalee was never seen again. Take a guess, Janssen; Natalee most likely DIED in “their” company.



    313. para2legal on December 25th, 2006 12:04 am

      You know – it’s Dec. 24 – Beth and Dave don’t have Natalee and they don’t have answers. A triple pox on Aruba. How TRULY EVIL the island is – 18 months a child is missing – the case could’ve / should’ve been solved in less than 3 days and guess what – THE GAME CONTINUES.
      This government is so corrupt it doesn’t care who it hurts, as long as those that are in power remain. Spooky.

      God Bless Beth, Dave, Jug and Robin and their families.


    314. dennisintn on December 25th, 2006 1:58 pm

      while you’re contemplating this “passed out in their presence” theory, remember dr. badin’s advice that it takes several hours to die over overdose or shock. several hours that could have been put to good use trying to save her life if medical help had been sought. kinda takes away from the “panic” part of the theory.

    315. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Welcome to America: Judge Give Dr Phil & CBS Access to the Natalee Holloway File | Scared Monkeys on September 14th, 2007 9:27 am

      [...] The Kalpoe’s thought that this case would never get to court and that they would settle for millions. Hey Deepak and Satish … You are not in Aruba anymore. The trap has been set and the bait was taken. [...]

    316. Brian on September 17th, 2007 9:29 pm

      Haven’t heard of any Recent News about Natalee Hollaway. Have they found her ?

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