The Aruban Can’t Can’t … The Suspects have Been Dancing Around the Truth in Natalee Holloway Disappearance.

 

In Aruba they have been dancing around the truth for years when it has come to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The primary suspects and those that have been questioned have changed their stories and have contradicted themselves more times than most can keep track of. Even the Kalpoes after suing Dr Phil in the US are doing a Texas Two Step in wanting to give up the info in the Natalee Holloway file.

Now see them in rare footage never before seen. See those that know dance around the story again … Come up with the name of this dance in this form of a caption contest … We like to call it The Aruban CANT CANT.

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Hat Tip: Klaas

(Click on the above picture for the Suspects in action) 

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  • Comments

    110 Responses to “The Aruban Can’t Can’t … The Suspects have Been Dancing Around the Truth in Natalee Holloway Disappearance.”

    1. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 6:13 pm

      LOL Love the Jib Jab, Klass!

      Who is that showing the tushy,
      Satish or Gee-dough?

      Woohoo. Put it on, put it ALL on.

    2. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2007 6:30 pm

      Justice for this girl… (see links)
      Please don’t ever forget.
      BOYCOTT ARUBA

      http://tinyurl.com/2cwwlr

      http://tinyurl.com/yqbw2m

      She deserved better.

    3. dennisintn on September 15th, 2007 7:55 pm

      yes, carpe, that’s the understatement of the decade, natalee deserved better.
      dennisintn

      and the debt owed natalee and her family is huge.

    4. Tazman on September 15th, 2007 8:10 pm

      And with their gonads and all!!

      Perfect Klass!

      I vote for all them to walk the streets of Aruba in their dresses. Maybe a little tar and feathering will be just the right touch!!

    5. Richard on September 15th, 2007 8:14 pm

      Aruba must decide if it wants to continue its obstructionist techniques. It now has a golden chance to change its approach, by cooperating with the California court.

      Let’s hope that the tiger can change its spots.

      Actually, its an ailing cockroach … but I don’t think there’s an appropriate metaphor.

    6. JusticeforNatalee on September 15th, 2007 8:59 pm

      Oh, yes…

      The suspects (and Aruban officials) KNOW KNOW
      what happened to Natalee
      and they COULD COULD tell the truth
      but they DON’T DON’T give Natalee justice
      which means that
      Aruba WON’T WON’T have many tourists
      and these males just CAN’T CAN’T be real men
      but they CAN CAN be cowards.

    7. JusticeforNatalee on September 15th, 2007 9:21 pm

      Absolutely boycott Aruba

      for this travesty of justice.

    8. mishy on September 15th, 2007 10:17 pm

      ROFLMAO Klaas!! That is one of your best!! How perfect!!

    9. Aruban Ho on September 15th, 2007 10:25 pm

      Did anyone see the Texas and CF Goldennights football game today?Joran wanted to be a Goldennight but had to settle for a chity school in Holland lol.The Boycott Roll’s On!!!

    10. waterboy (Jerry) on September 15th, 2007 11:06 pm

      I’ve written before about the contrast in the two Fathers (let’s capitalize Father because of Dave). You have Dave Holloway, and you have Paulus.

      Now Natalee was not living with Dave, but she had, up until a point. Dave welded profound influence on his daughter. Even with Natalee living with Beth, Dave was active in his daughter’s life.

      Some kids are just good. They are, and they will be good regardless of what happens in their lives, even if they have horrible, neglectful parents—like my wife did.

      It seems counter clock wise, that some good parents raise rotten kids. They just seem to be rotten. They always do wrong, they always go wrong, in spite of very good, decent parents.

      If you have a good kid, and a good parents, the outcome can be especially decent, i.e., Dave and Natalee. (Not what happen to Natalee. That should have never been.)

      The worst situation is a basically bad kid, and a basically bad father (lack of capital letters here) i.e. Joran, and Paulus. Throw in the perversion factor and wow—a monster is created.

      Now, I’m not a psychologist; but I have in life gotten a fast and hard grip on reality. Normally, boys will at some point rebel against their Mothers first and then their Dads. It’s a struggle for power type thing. If the Mother doesn’t nip it in the bud, then the young boy (usually 11 or 12 years old) gains control over his mother. The Father can take control and stop the boy from gaining control. It doesn’t have to be the mother.

      Next, the boy at a little older age tries to gain control over the father. If he succeeds, he becomes the head of house. This is what happened with Joran. He ruled the roost so to speak. He lost all respect for his parents at an early age. The only time he asked for help was when he got in trouble.

      With Natalee, we have a good child being raised by good parents. There is a give and take by all, and the child develops normally.

      Now what happens when bad boy meets good girl? It’s not good, because good girl can take or leave bad boy. Bad boy feels some how entitled to gain his way, because he has ruled over mom and dad for so long. Bad boy doesn’t know how to take rejection from good girl. Bad boy wants to hurt and punish good girl, because he feels his authority is being challenged and as king of the hill he can’t accept rejection.

      My advice to Joran—Hey you antonym of a saint, get ready for a life of rejection. You are a reject from the pit of hell, and no one other than a complete, total reject will ever have anything to do with you.

      Jerry

    11. waterboy (Jerry) on September 15th, 2007 11:19 pm

      Has anyone other that myself ever noticed how similar in personalities Geoffry van CROMVOIRT and Joran are? Didn’t Joran say he did not know Geoffry? Wow, they are like birds of a feather. Both perverts, both out of control, both lacking in respect for anything decent.

    12. just moma on September 16th, 2007 3:57 am

      Aruban cover up shuffle is the name of the dance

    13. Houston on September 16th, 2007 7:51 am

      What a bunch of jackals, I get sick each time I see their pictures. Realize now that nothing will ever be done about Natalee Holloway, the police in Aruba were in on this cover up, the US government has done nothing to help this family….just another lawless place that the United States can not or will not do anything about.

    14. Susan on September 16th, 2007 9:32 am

      klaasend – I “can’t can’t” get it to work :-( All I see is “jibjab” and a bunch of faces with a question mark on ‘em :-( Maybe I need to download some sort of software to view?

      Does anyone know if Beth is going to do a booking sign tour when her book comes out in October?
      ___________________________
      SM: You probably have some kind of popup blocker blocking it. When you click on it see if up at the top near your tool bar you see a message that it’s been blocked (klaasend)

    15. waterboy (Jerry) on September 16th, 2007 11:49 am

      At the first of the summer, we (the town I live in) had a young man killed in Iraq. I’ve known him since he was a child. He so wanted to be in the Army. He was so proud of his uniform. Some have said his life was a waste. Not me. He knew what he wanted, believed in what he was doing, and he knew the risk. God bless that young man. I promised I would hang the flag at half-mast until one day went by when I didn’t think of him. 3 months later, I raised it back up, after not thinking of him for a full day.

      Isn’t that the way it is with Natalee? I don’t think a day has gone by in 2+ years that I have not thought about her, and I didn’t know her personally. I can let the young soldier go in my mind, because for one thing he was armed and aware of the dangers. Natalee on the other hand, had no way to defend herself; and had no way of knowing the dangers. Besides, she, we that is what the young soldier was fighting for.

      It is so unfair that a terrorist came into Natalee’s life and took it for presumably such perverted reasons. Heads should roll. Heads should roll. Woe to all who have covered this crime. Woe to you who covered blood with plastic, dirt, and sand. Woe to you, you perpetrator of such violence against such innocence. Woe to you, you feeder of the worm. May my little friend the soldier or someone just like him meet you on the battlefield, because you are on the opposite side of him, of me, of we, of us—the good, the innocence the protectors of life and liberty.

      Jerry

    16. Patti on September 16th, 2007 1:25 pm

      Wow!

      Well said, Jerry!!!

    17. Patriot on September 16th, 2007 2:30 pm

      OJ arrested in Vegas!

    18. brie on September 16th, 2007 4:46 pm

      I loved it Klaas..thanks for the humor..Laughter is healthy…!

    19. brie on September 16th, 2007 7:25 pm

      OJ should be six feet under !!

    20. brie on September 16th, 2007 7:34 pm

      Three against one…Natalee never had a chance but she was able to leave her mark on Joran..she left scratches your face….smart enough about to know about DNA….it all existed..she left evidence!!!!

    21. disgustedmom on September 16th, 2007 9:25 pm

      #20 Yep! Natalee left evidence and the jerks who violated and killed her did too. And the cops know it, rounded it all up, and decided to let it pass because they don’t Give a S(*^ about ONE GIRL.

    22. Maggie on September 16th, 2007 9:49 pm

      I love JibJab.. Klaas these are excellent!

    23. Carpe Noctem on September 16th, 2007 10:18 pm
    24. Erick on September 17th, 2007 1:23 am

      European Dutch don’t need
      residence permits in Aruba

      ~ Case may have implications for St. Maarten ~
      ARUBA–An administrative judge has determined that Aruba is unjustly placing restrictions on the establishment of European Dutchmen on the island.

      The Fourth Protocol of the European Treaty for the protection of human rights stipulates that Europeans are free to choose any place to live within the European Union and cannot be restricted in doing so.

      When the Kingdom of the Netherlands signed the treaty in 1948 a reservation was made for the Netherlands Antilles, but that was not expanded to Aruba when the island left the Antillean constellation and became a country within the Kingdom in 1986.

      The case can have implications for Curaçao and St. Maarten, which are also scheduled to become autonomous countries in the Kingdom when the Netherlands Antilles is dismantled, with a target date of December 15, 2008.

      The judge found that while it is reasonable to assume the reservation would also count for Aruba, a treaty must be interpreted “to the letter,” so a formal change has to be made. Until then, Aruba and the Netherlands are one and the same territory, based on the treaty.

      The Dutch Representation in Aruba is having legal experts study the ruling, to see whether the arrangement that when a part of the Netherlands Antilles becomes autonomous all Antillean legislation continues to be in force is not applicable to the treaty in question.

      The case was actually about disputing the fact that European Dutchmen who want to work need work permits in Aruba. On that aspect the judge sided with the Aruba government, arguing that it is a small island with a vulnerable economy and “this relatively small part of the Kingdom requires protection against a potential colonisation by professionals from the mother country.”

    25. Erick on September 17th, 2007 3:17 am

      Check out this article about the Jamaican football teams experience in Aruba,,,,,

      http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sports/html/20070914T200000-0500_127361_OBS_THE_STARK_REALITY_OF_FOOTBALL_IN_ARUBA.asp

    26. KrisG on September 17th, 2007 8:17 am

      (Suspected) Murderers at the Moulin Rouge

    27. disgustedmom on September 17th, 2007 9:28 am

      Great post, Jerry #15!

      I find it sad and a tad scary that too many people don’t notice terrorism until it’s large scale. But you are right in calling Natalee’s perpetrators terrorists.

    28. richard on September 17th, 2007 9:38 am

      Quite interesting to hear all this, given the continued debate about the degree of Aruba’s “independence.” What is true in Aruba is governed by the time of day, the weather, the mood of whoever is speaking ….

      Basically, there is no truth there. Even the concept is alien.

    29. Richard on September 17th, 2007 9:47 am

      Not the Aruban can’t-can’t … but the Aruban won’t-won’t and don’t-don’t.

    30. Katablog on September 17th, 2007 10:46 am

      Susan #14 – you may also need the Adobe Flash player. http://www.adobe.com/flash

    31. 10061906 on September 17th, 2007 11:33 am

      25 erick:
      I believe the club Estrella is responsible for accomodating visiting players. Perhaps a letter to Adnin Bikker is in order. He is some official of the league.

    32. 10061906 on September 17th, 2007 11:38 am

      Waterboy:
      I don’t believe Geoff van Cromvoirt is as bad as Joran; IMO I believe he is more of a psychopath. I can’t find the video of his arrest, and I’m really not sure if it is him because of the sweatshirt hood. The webshot photos of Geoff with Ashley have disappeared, and I’m sure for good reason. I down loaded her album last year. I have about 10 photos of Geoff with different girls and locations that keep disappearing from the web..

      Guido knows Joran and Joran knows Geoff and Geoff knows Michael and Michael knows Andreas. So we can deduce from this that Geoff must know Andreas.
      Could this be the AB with Geoff at C and C’s? Could this be the AB that was arrested at the same time as Geoff and released after 8 hours without charges
      I don’t believe that AB stands for Adnin Bikker; but then again this is Aruba we are talking about.

      Check out the rosary beads. Why wear them? Remember the cross near fisherman’s beach that a tourist was supposed to have erected. The beads on Andreas neck and the rosaries on the cross bear a strong similarity. These pictures where taken about the same time the cross was discovered. Was AB trying to show some remorse concerning what he knows about Natalee.

      http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517823511081195246DXmKpy

      http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517823034081195246rZoGvA

      Michael has flown far too long under the radar and should be brought in for questioning.
      I believe this is part of the reason for the cover up. At the time Natalee disappeared and before Dompig took over the case, Dompig had something to do with the AHATA.
      The AHATA because of the impact on tourism; had to cover up what happened at least twenty times before. Michael may have been involved and could be another reason for the cover up besides Joran.
      Natalee IMO was picked out from a video surveillance camera in her Hotel Room.
      Why else was her room changed?
      I still believe the name of the game they played twenty times before that nothing ever went wrong; is hump the female tourist on her last night on Aruba. Perhaps by the drawing of straws it was Joran’s turn to try and get a tourist. I think this was his first time teamed up with Deepak for this part of the game and every thing that went down that night went down wrong. Michael somehow knows by either being there or through Geoff or Andreas; what went down on May 29th, 2005

      Let’s see if I can get this right:
      Quido cousin to Karin Jennsen? Arrested for Heavy Battery.
      Michael Dompig son of an AHATA representative. Now chief inspector. Now???
      Geoff, arrested for heavy battery, son of Willeim van Cromvoirt owner of VCB Security. The company that installs surveillance cameras and provides beach security. Geoff and Michael one time employees of VCB who where fired because “the Police could not get along with them!!” I think it is strange that a father fires his son; but then again we are talking about the Dutch on Aruba. Remember the glasses, the VCB shirt and bottle of clear liquid found in Lago Colony in San Nicolas about 3 kilometers from Lorenzo; confirmed half brother to Joran and illegitimate son of Paulus van der Sloot.
      Joran son of a prominent but an ineffective lawyer (due to memory lapses). Proclaims where there is no body; there is no case.
      Joran; one of the last three who were known to be with the victim.
      Jan van der Straaten chief inspector at the time of Natalee’s disappearance, friend of Paulus van der Sloot and god father to Joran. Knows that Natalee will not be found alive because he has seen the evidence.
      And then we have Andreas ?????????????????????????????????/
      Can anyone supply info on this guy?

    33. JusticeforNatalee on September 17th, 2007 11:57 am

      Posted by Klaas in the forum:

      Here is the latest from Natalee’s Freebirds:

      CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST NATALEE HOLLOWAY

      May 30th, 2005 – The Cover Up Had Begun

      The activities that were taking place on the Island of Aruba on May 30, 2005 involving Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish indicate that the cover up regarding crimes committed against Natalee Holloway were already in the implementation stages.

      1. There are those who theorize that Joran van der Sloot was never at the beach with Natalee Holloway. Satish Kalpoe’s attorney, Dave Kock, confirms that on the morning of May 30, 2005 cell phone records place Joran van der Sloot near the Marriot Hotel. Also, the gardener places Deepak and Joran across the street from the Marriot beach at 2:30 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

      Dave Kock – On the Record w/ Greta – 08/26/05

      GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So your client, 2 o’clock to 3 o’clock, is on the Internet at home. I’ve been in his room. I’ve seen the computer, or at least where it was. And he gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3 a.m. from Joran. Where do the cell records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3 o’clock in the morning?

      DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE’S ATTORNEY:: Well, there’s not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north in Palm Beach of the hotel.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So it looks like he’s not home at that hour, but someplace near the Marriott, is that right?

      KOCK: That is correct. He is in this neighborhood.

      Carlos Ramos (Gardener) – Court Testimony – 08/15/05

      On questions of the judge-commissar, the witness explains as follows:

      I do not know Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe.

      1. Can you remind yourself the declaration, which you have taken off 22 July 2005 on around 19.25 compared with the police force?
      RAMOS: Yes

      2. Have you then spoken the truth?
      RAMOS: I have explained what I have seen.

      3. The witness is asked to make a situation drawing (make production 1). The witness gives to where the car of suspect stood and the route he took.

      4. Did you see the face of the driver when you went past?
      RAMOS: Yes.

      5. Did you recognize him with a photograph confrontation?
      RAMOS: Yes, on the day that I gave a declaration at the police force they left me a photograph see from an illustrated magazine. That is the only photograph that they showed me.

      6. Did you recognize the faces of the other persons in the car?
      RAMOS: Yes, the face of the person who sat beside the driver. When I came past I saw, in the light of my car, that the person beside the driver had his head and face covered with his hands. I have recognized that person from his illustration (photo). You ask me how I recognized the driver who sat beside the man who screened its face? I have seen him in the light of my “in the light of” (van). He moved himself a bit to the back.

      7. You have also recognized Deepak Kalpoe?
      RAMOS: yes, on the same photograph which the police force showed me.

      Beth Twitty – CNN LARRY KING LIVE – 02/23/06

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: … Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

      2. On the morning of May 30, 2005 was Paulus Van der Sloot summoned to the Marriot Beach area after Natalee Holloway died in the course of wrongdoings which involved his son? Did Paulus van der Sloot, with the assistance of others, move Natalee’s body on the morning of May 30, 2005 to an undisclosed location? Was some thus far unknown “white vehicle” involved?

      Jossy Mansur – NANCY GRACE – 07/29/05

      MANSUR: there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.

      David Mattingly: Cnn Correspondent – PAULA ZAHN NOW – 07/05/05

      MATTINGLY: Defense attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers tonight confirmed to CNN that testimony from fishermen telling investigators that they didn’t see a couple matching the description of Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot on that beach the night that Natalee turned up missing. What they are saying is that they saw a white Suzuki on that beach …

      Karl Penhaul: CNN Correspondent – NANCY GRACE – 07/14/05

      PENHAUL: What the fishermen do, interestingly, say, though, is that sometime in the timeframe when they were there, they`re assuming sometime around 3:00 AM, that they saw a Jeep-type vehicle pull up near the beach. That was the only vehicle that they saw close to the beach, a Jeep-type vehicle.

      T.J. Ward: Private Investigation – ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ – 11/14/05

      WARD: We think he has played a role in the cover up of her disappearance.

      COSBY: How strong do you also still believe that the three boys played a role too from everything that you are getting?

      WARD: We believe the boys are directly involved. And again, our theory is that something happened to Natalee, either where she stopped breathing, had a heart attack or whatever. And in the course of that happening, we think Paul Van der Sloot played a part in the after effect of that in the removal and concealing of Natalee Holloway.

      Art Wood: Private Investigation – Sun Herald – 03/17/07

      Wood told the more than 50 people who attended the Merrill Lynch-sponsored presentation about his experience in Aruba, where he believed three young men — Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe — attempted to rape Holloway. In the process, he believed they accidentally killed her, then sought the advice of van der Sloot’s prominent father to dispose of the body in the open ocean. Wood believed van der Sloot’s father also used his connections to control the investigation. The case remains unsolved.

      Gerold Dompig – 48 HOURS MYSTERY – 03/22/06

      Dompig says he believes Paulus Van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance.

      Gerold Dompig – 48 HOURS MYSTERY – 03/22/06

      The Aruban authorities’ new theory is that someone, someone possibly very close to the young suspects, took the time to carefully hide the body, not once but maybe twice, literally re-burying her.

      Riehl World View – Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM

      On Natalee’s Yahoo forum there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.

      3. Jossy Mansur conveys to Greta that the caretaker of the Fishermen’s Huts located on the Marriott Beach reported that there was a break in on the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing. The items stolen were very significant when the disposal of a body is considered. Tim Miller claims that Gerold Dompig told him he believes that Natalee Holloway could have been put in the stolen fish trap and taken out to sea.

      Jossy Mansur – On the Record w/ Greta – October 21, 2005

      VAN SUSTEREN: Now, how big is this cage?

      MANSUR: It is a big cage, it is a fish trap made with chicken coop wire. You know the ones that have the round holes in them? That’s pretty big.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Could you put a body in it? Could you put someone 5’4” or 5’6” in it?

      MANSUR: Jossy: Yes, you can.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Was this reported…she disappeared on the 30th. When was this first reported missing?

      MANSUR: It was reported to the police that same morning by the caretaker. The man who looks after the fishermen’s huts.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So, it wasn’t because he had heard there was a missing person? It was just coincidentally I have a missing cage and reported it? Jossy: That is correct. He just told them there were a knife missing and a big fish trap missing.

      Tim Miller/Gerold Dompig – KPRC Local 2 – 01/11/06

      On Friday, EquuSearch founder Tim Miller and a deepwater search team from Florida will travel back to Aruba to search an area three to five miles off the island’s coast that is between 800 to 1,000 feet deep, Miller told KPRC Local 2 that Aruba’s police commissioner told him that he feels Holloway might be inside a fish trap dropped deep into the water.

      4. In Deepak Kalpoe’s suspect statement of June 29, 2005 he concedes that he was creating internet chatter with a friend, John Charles Croes, on the morning of May 30, 2005 to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. How did Deepak know that there was going to be an investigation? Natalee Holloway had yet to be reported missing.

      Deepak Kalpoe – Suspect Statement – 06/11/05

      To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.

      When we got home Satish immediately went to bed. I had switched on the television. I had also turned on the computer in my room. I went and chatted with a friend of mine on “MSN”. His name is John Charles Croes. I had told the afore mentioned CROES during the chat that we had gone out and that I was waiting for a friend of mine because I had dropped him off on the street together with a girl.

      After having chatted with John I went into the living room and watched TV.

      Deepak Kalpoe – Suspect Statement – 06/29/05

      You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

      The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday.

      5. After claiming in his witness statement of June 18, 2005 that he had slept “solidly” through the night of May 30, 2005, Paulus van der Sloot concedes that he may have used his phone.

      Paulus van der Sloot – Witness Statement – 06/18/05

      On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up. On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran.

      Greta Van Susteren – On the Record /w Greta – 07/03/05

      VAN SUSTEREN: I am most anxious to find out if there was e-mail traffic or phone traffic among the three in custody in the early morning hours of May 30. I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no… he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no… but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure. Honest mistake or does he fear to be in conflict with phone records now in custody of the police? These questions answered would be, in my mind, a huge jump forward in trying to sort out what did or did not happen.

      6. In Rita Cosby and Nancy Grace interviews Beth Twitty claims that Paulus van der Sloot stated on the morning of May 31, 2005 that he had picked up Joran/them (?) at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005. Paulus adamantly refutes Beth’s words. However, Karin Janssen’s official position within the investigation would indicate that she was deriving from a foundational knowledge when she stated that investigators suspected Paulus of being involved in Natalee’s disappearance. Then in January 2007, the Superior Court ruled against compensation for Paulus van der Sloot in a wrongful detention lawsuit. The ruling stated that Paulus’ detention was justified as his own declaration stated that he had picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds on the morning of May 30, 2005.

      Beth Twitty – ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ – 03/21/06

      TWITTY: … He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

      Beth Twitty – NANCY GRACE – 08/12/05

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: And the night that we arrived on the island — you know, Jug does not misinterpret a 4:00 AM time pickup to 11:00 PM. I mean, Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then — we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around — maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

      Karin Janssen – USA TODAY – 06/30/05

      “They spoke about the situation that when there is no body you don’t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance,” Janssen said. Janssen said that the elder van der Sloot had obstructed the investigation by asking a friend of Joran, who had been interrogated by police, what he had told them. Janssen told MSNBC that he was arrested because investigators believed he was also a suspect in the disappearance.

      Superior Court – January, 2007

      ” … The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgment of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

      7. Is there a Steve Croes and Geoffrey Van Comvoirt connection in regards to the assistance that Paulus Van der Sloot may have received if he was instrumental in moving the body Natalee Holloway from the Marriot Beach area on the morning of May 30, 2005? Steve Croes involved himself in the Natalee Holloway case by providing a false alibi for Joran, Deepak and Satish. Geoffrey Van Comvoirt’s association with the Visibility Police/Beach Patrol would afford him access to a “white pickup”. Also, Steve Croes and Geoffrey Van Comvoirt representation by the same attorney was sanctioned by Karin Janssen while she considered a similar situation a conflict of interest in regards to the security guards.

      Beth Twitty – On the Record w/ Greta – 04/18/2006

      TWITTY: …. And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect (GVC) and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don’t just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

      Beth Twitty – NBC13 – 04/19/06

      Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, said she is hearing another story. ” … I’m hearing he (GVC) is also an acquaintance of Stephen Croes,” Twitty said. Croes is a party boat disc jockey who was arrested early on in Natalee’s case. He backed up van der Sloot’s first story about dropping Natalee off at a Holiday Inn. “I have a feeling all of these suspects are tied together in some way,” Twitty said.

      John Kelly – On the Record w/ Greta – 04/19/06

      KELLY: I know that’s the situation. It’s a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to “G.V.C.’s” attorney for review before they did go into court.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Then it’s bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn’t be representing both.

      KELLY: I think that’s right ……

      Chris Lejez – ASSOCIATED PRESS – 06/11/05

      Lejuez dropped John as a client per a request from the prosecutor, who said it’s not ethical for him to represent both clients.

      Chris Lejuez – NANCY GRACE – 06/07/05

      LEJUEZ: I have been the defense attorney for both of them for the last two days. But as of tomorrow, I will be only for one of them, because apparently there will be a conflict of interest in defending them both. This has been told to me by the public prosecutor, so I will be resigning from one of the cases.

      8. In Freddy’s June 12, 2005 witness statement he reveals that Joran conveyed the Holiday Inn fabrication to him on the afternoon of May 30, 2005. This communication would imply that Joran was well aware that something had happened to Natalee Holloway, and this was hours before her family arrived to begin looking for her.

      Freddy Zedan – Witness Statement – 06/12/05

      Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening.

      After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (….)

      The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub.
      Joran’s Book – Translation Credit: Rammstein

      9. One of the security guards, Mickey John, claims in the Greta interview of June 29, 2005 that while detained Deepak told him that Paulus was involved in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn fabrication. This would imply that the collaboration must have taken place on May 30, 2005.

      Mickey John – On the Record /w Greta – 06/29/05

      JOHN: He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy’s father, they sit and made up the story.

      10. Jan van der Straten concedes to Nancy Grace on June 2, 2005 that Natalee Holloway had been reported missing on the morning of May 30, 2005. It could be assumed that the report would have included descriptions of Joran, Deepak and Satish as well as Deepak’s vehicle.

      Jan Van Stratten – NANCY GRACE – 06/02/05

      GRACE: Commissioner Jan Van Derstraten is with us from Aruba. Commissioner, when exactly was she reported missing?

      VANDERSTRATEN: She was reported missing on Monday morning.

      11. The implication of the prosecutor’s words to Dan Abrams is that on May 30, 2005 Paulus van der Sloot was already giving Joran, Deepak and Satish legal advice.

      Karin Janssen – ‘The Abrams Report’ – June 30, 2005

      JANSSEN: The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he give them some legal advice, but I think the advices were going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case. And that was already in the first day after the disappearance.

      12. Prior to Jug and Beth Twitty’s arrival on the Island of Aruba, certain happenings of May 30, 2005 would imply that someone within Aruban Law Enforcement was assisting Joran, Deepak and Satish in getting their stories straight regarding their encounter with Natalee Holloway.

      JORAN VAN DER SLOOT
      On July 12, 2005 Anita Van der Sloot stated in a Joe Scarborough interview that Joran was picked up from school by police on Monday, May 30, 2005. Joran has never implied in interviews or declarations that he was ever picked up by police for questioning.

      Anita Van der Sloot – ‘Scarborough Country’ – 07/12/05

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn’t told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn’t aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.”

      DEEPAK KALPOE
      Deepak Kalpoe claims in his official statement of June 10, 2005 that he vacuumed his vehicle prior to picking up Joran Van der Sloot on Sunday May 29, 2005. He also states that he remembers telling interrogators at Bubali on May 31, 2005 that his vehicle was very clean because he had vacuumed his car the prior evening. This would imply Deepak was questioned by police at Bubali station on May 30, 2005.

      Deepak Kalpoe – Suspect Statement – 06/09/05

      He then asked me whether I wanted to go with to “Carlos & Charlies”, because he had met a few girls and wanted to meet them again in “Carlos & Charlies”. I agreed and told him that I would pick him up later. A little before 23.00 hours I drove home. I ate something at home together with my brother Satish and after that I vacuumed the carpet on the inside of my car. After I finished vacuuming I went and took a shower. A little before 0.00 hours I drove to Joran’s house. Joran lives on the address Montanja 19.

      Deepak Kalpoe – Suspect Statement – 06/10/05

      To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

      SATISH KALPOE
      On June 29, 2005 in a secretly recorded conversation in a police van, Satish Kalpoe conveys to Joran that he told police about the choller in his first police statement. Satish’s witness statement of May 31, 2005 has been revealed and there is no mention of the choller. It can be assumed that the first statement Satish is referring to must have been taken on May 30, 2005.

      Satish Kalpoe – Leaked Police Vehicle Recording – 06/29/05

      Joran: (to Deepak) Then you’re going to tell shit about the choller. I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.

      Deepak: And, I also said that.

      Joran: That I have not read. I have also read that statement.

      Satish: That of the chollers was from me. I have already told that before. I have also said that in my first statement.

      13. Paul Reynolds implied that Paulus was implicated in Joran, Deepak and Satish’s original statements. Considering that Deepak and Satish’s May 31, 2005 witness statements do not implicate Paulus, it can be assumed that Natalee’s uncle is referring to not yet revealed statements taken on May 30, 2005.

      Paul Reynolds – ‘Scarborough Country’ – 08/26/05

      REYNOLDS: Well, we certainly think they know more, but we think all three are involved. We think Joran and Deepak and Satish are all involved. And, you know, we still think the father was at least involved in the cover-up. And that‘s based on the statements that the boys gave in the beginning.

      14. Joran claims in his suspect statement of June 14, 2005 that he played tennis on the evening of May 30, 2005. However, upon investigation, Art Wood discovered the contrary. Joran concedes in his book that he never did play tennis that day. Was the tennis game meant to be a cover regarding the real reason Joran was at the Racquet Ball club? Was there an arranged meeting with friends to discuss an American citizen named Natalee Holloway? Was there activity involving a boat?

      Joran van der Sloot – Suspect Statement – 06/14/05

      On Monday, May 30th 2005, I did not talk to anyone at school about having left behind Natalee. At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with “Koen” nickname “Cul”. We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there. My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse

      Art Wood – NATIONAL ENQUIRER – 01/06/06

      The dramatic new line of investigation revolves around the timeline of May 30, starting about 18 hours after Natalee vanished. There are several unexplained missing hours during which authorities believe that her body was dumped at sea. Former U.S. Secret Service agent Art Wood, who spent months on the island investigating the case, told The National Enquirer: “Joran told police that he played tennis with a friend during the evening hours. And the pal backed up his alibi. But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night.”

      Joran van der Sloot – Joran’s Book

      PAGE 98
      Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn’t feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran’s tennis buddy “Marco” (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn’t mention looking for his shoes).

      Rick Segall/Dave Holloway – America’s Most Wanted (AMW) – 04/11/06

      Police have told Dave that the night after Natalee’s disappearance, a boat was launched from an input just down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee stayed.

      15. Joran states in his June 14, 2005 suspect statement that on the evening of May 30, 2005, he did not walk past the Fisherman’s Hut on his way to the Wyndham to check if Natalee was “still lying there”. Why would Joran entertain the thought that Natalee may be “still lying there” eighteen hours after he left her? The implication is that Joran knew full well that Natalee was deceased.

      Joran Van der Sloot – Suspect Statement – June 14, 2005

      At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman’s Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there.

      16. Following Jug and Beth Twitty’s arrival on the Island on the evening of May 30, 2005, Charles Croes of Aruba Phones was contacted at 11:30 PM by a “major friend” who required assistance pertaining to cell phone information that related to a missing Natalee Holloway. On June 30, 2005 Charles Croes conveyed to Greta that following a 1:30 AM meeting with the Twittys he drove to the cabana area near the Holiday Inn to check whether Natalee was there. Byran Burrough states in the Vanity Fair article that Charles Croes claims he drove to the California lighthouse. Why would it cross Charles Croes mind that Natalee Holloway could possibly have connections to either of these areas – and why would Mr Croes change the location? Could it be that Charles Croes was conversing with Paulus and Joran at the VDS residence following the initial contact with a “major friend” and prior to the late night meeting with the Twittys?

      Charles Croes – On the Record w/Greta – 06/30/05

      C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

      Bryan Burrough – Vanity Fair: Nightmare in Paradise – 01/02/06

      Croes, meanwhile, drove north up the beach road and, just below the lighthouse, found a group of teenagers drinking cheap wine.

      Charles Croes – One Happy Island: Visit Aruba – 06/02/05

      There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

      It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.

      I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

      I wish all of us strength

      charles
      arubafastphones.com

      These facts beg the question of why Aruban authorities have yet to prosecute these four criminals in this case?

      How can four suspects in a kidnapping, rape, and murder investigation go unchallenged when it is apparent they all knew something had happened to Ms Holloway, and were taking steps to hide that fact before they could have logically known she was missing?

      Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

      Natalee’s Freebirds
      http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

    34. JusticeforNatalee on September 17th, 2007 12:11 pm

      Klaas,
      Sorry about the length in #33.

      Maybe I should have just provided a link.

    35. 10061906 on September 17th, 2007 12:32 pm

      33 MANSUR: “there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.”
      Remember the girl that went out with Geoff a week or so after Natalee disappeared said that Geoff at that time owned a white pick up truck and was going to by a blue jeep.
      While they were walking on the beach Geoff saw a beach patrol and freaked out.
      When the girl asked Geoff about the Natalee case; Geoff just stopped talking and headed back to the Hotel. This girl was smart and had Geoff leave his ID with friends while they were together.

    36. Patti on September 17th, 2007 7:32 pm

      Shango says: Joran is a scape goat.

      I disagree…

      He knew she would be killed.

      So, we will eat that goat,

      and, the Lions, as well.

    37. Patti on September 17th, 2007 7:44 pm

      Was it the night of the fires

      that Joran, finally, became

      conscious of what he had done?

      He wanted to die!

      “SOMETHING “BAD” HAPPENED”

    38. 10061906 on September 17th, 2007 7:48 pm

      Maybe Deepak did drop of Joran and a drugged Natalee on the beach near the Marriot where Geoff and Guido were waiting. Geoff had a mattress in the bed of the pickup. If anything bad happened there; they could have taken Natalee to the Vander Sloots. There they could have went on line to see the interaction of drugs. Paulus could make arrangements for the body. Geoff could drive to the other end of the island and drop off the bloody mattress and the VCB shirt, and clear liquid which could be cleaning fluid used to anesthetize Natalee. While at Lago Geoff could have lost his sport sun glasses.
      My opinion in whatever scenario you place Joran in; I place Geoff and Guido there also.
      The mattress on the pick up would be a good idea in the twenty other times this happened.
      Go near the beach with a drugged tourist; have their way with her on the pick up truck mattress and when finished just leave the victim on the beach to recover.

    39. Susan on September 17th, 2007 7:50 pm

      Thanks klaasend and Katablog :-) Neither worked, so guess I missed out :-( It must be the IE7 and Windows Vista acting up. I do have the Adobe Player installed, but I still can’t view the video…

    40. Carpe Noctem on September 17th, 2007 8:08 pm

      An instructional video

      from my perp interrogation

      class. This is really

      groundbreaking material!

      I’m livin’ on the edge.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-PwNqfZqrg

      P.S. Anita, Halloween is next month. You’re
      a little early this year.

      -j4n

    41. Patti on September 17th, 2007 8:51 pm

      Mr. & Mrs. Vanderloot would

      do ANYTHING to help pay for

      that college education…

      .

      Joran:

      Kiss it Bye-Byeeeeee!

    42. disgustedmom on September 17th, 2007 8:56 pm

      From # 33

      VAN SUSTEREN: Was this reported…she disappeared on the 30th. When was this first reported missing?

      MANSUR: It was reported to the police that same morning by the caretaker. The man who looks after the fishermen’s huts.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So, it wasn’t because he had heard there was a missing person? It was just coincidentally I have a missing cage and reported it? Jossy: That is correct. He just told them there were a knife missing and a big fish trap missing.

      Honestly….does anyone think a fisherman would bother to report anything missing from his shed? What for? Not like the cops were gonna do anything about it. They don’t care about a missing tourist. Why would they go bal*s to the wall looking for a knife and a trap?

      I smell more misinformation.

    43. brie on September 17th, 2007 11:31 pm

      I think the fisherman’s cage may be a likely story…perhaps went to sea via Steve Croes and the party boat…

      And who is paying the bitch troll to reappear! We’ve had enough of that!!!!

    44. brie on September 18th, 2007 12:22 am

      Perhaps Beth’s book will explain alot of our unanswered ?’s . I’,m sure word for word we can believe what she said. Being her own detective with the help of the our FBI…but why did we stop!!! A missing American and our gov’t has done nothing to pursue the case..we’ve learned of all the crime and corruption on this island….get involved!!!!

    45. Patti on September 18th, 2007 3:05 am

      I suppose that fish trap could

      also be used as a cage.

      .

      1906:

      I was trying to find a calandar and it appears

      there is also a group that call themselves the

      Arawaks that are tied in with the Masons.

      Wow… I wonder if they practice the

      same things as the Arawak?

      Interesting…

    46. Patti on September 18th, 2007 3:22 am

      1906:

      I just thought of something:

      Maybe it was three men in a white

      Suzuki that stole the knife and fisherman’s

      cage, put it in the back of their jeep/truck

      and drove up the beach to pick Natalee up while

      she was passed out from the drugs they slipped

      her.

      And then, when she didn’t wake up around three

      o’clock, they panicked and went on the internet

      to try to find out what they could do.

    47. downloadingdaddy on September 18th, 2007 3:31 am

      Patti,
      Whats up? Do you know something? Are you from Aruba? You talk like you know some personal information.

    48. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2007 5:06 am

      Anita Van der Sloot – ‘Scarborough Country’ – 07/12/05

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn’t told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn’t aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.”

      Yo yo ‘Nita,

      You need a new bra… One that doesn’t

      cut the blood flow off to your brain, and

      deprive you of much needed oxygen for

      clear thought production.

      >

      Anita Van der Sloot – ‘Scarborough Country’ – 07/12/05

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn’t told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy.

      ***

      > He was going to the store to grocery shop,
      so he rotated all the tires on the car, had
      himself a popsicle, and cleaned his fishing
      pole.

      Catch my drift?

      ….
      Anita:

      And he wasn’t aware of—he was totally surprised ***WHEN THE POLICE ASKED HIM TO COME IN—or picked him up for interrogation.***

      > police asked him to come to the—or
      picked him up for interrogation?

      Slip? ??

      Anita:

      “He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.”

      And he wasn’t aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised.

      If she hesitates, and tries to convince us

      how ‘surprised’ Sporter was one more time,

      I’m gonna go crazy Grape Ape!

      It’s overkill.

      > Would u like a do-over on this one too, mammy Sloot?

      Try to suppress your Freudian slips on the next round.

      Anita has more holes in her stories! She is as lame

      as Deepak, when trying to

      “think on her feet.”

      AGAIN: > police asked him to come to the—or
      picked him up for interrogation?

      -j4n

      BOYCOTT!

    49. waterboy (Jerry) on September 18th, 2007 8:22 am

      Brie #43,

      Although I believe Natalee is in the landfill, I have entertained the possibility that Natalee was put in a large suitcase with rollers, loaded with weights, and pushed over board somewhere while in route. I understand the Tattoo did go out that night.

      Jerry

    50. waterboy (Jerry) on September 18th, 2007 8:28 am

      Patti,

      Does Shango say goat or lamb?

      Jerry

    51. waterboy (Jerry) on September 18th, 2007 8:47 am

      1906, #32

      For sure, this Andreas is a character of interest. I just feel it is so. If he was not directly involved, he knows the whole story, as many do. I think everyone who would have talked is either dead or has relocated to Mars.

      Something tells me that Andreas may be a decent kind of guy, but 50/50 on that.

      The same illness seems to have infected the whole bunch, and maybe most of the island. The evil is easily sensed. I think it would easily sense my presence on the island and seek to destroy me if I ever set foot on Aruba; but I’m also thinking I would enjoy the challenge.

      Jerry

    52. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2007 9:21 am

      “It also speaks volumns for the effect that Natalee had on these two boys. To come here to challenge the things that were said about her, is a tribute to her memory. I think she has that effect on people.”

      – Great goobily goop!
      Someone’s been dipping
      into grandma’s
      cooking sherry.

      The Kalpoes are not smart, nor

      are they courageous!

      If they were… they’d have hung that murdering, gang-raping, psychotic Van der sloot imbecile,
      and his sexual predator, lethal virus of a
      daddy.

      They should have cut a deal to make money for supplying incriminating info months ago!

      Deepak, Satish, Nadira, here is a
      novel idea… help solve the crime, and
      make your money doing something positive.

      Doctor Phil & the State of California are
      fittin’ to pile drive your a$$e$!

      > A CLUE

      Go out and buy a few, ya morons…

      They’re on sale all this
      week at Penny’s.

      -j4n

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DBQWF7u3ns

    53. Patti on September 18th, 2007 10:40 am

      Waterboy Jerry:

      I’m not sure.

      I think he says both.

      But, either way, I disagree.

      .

      Disgusted Mom:

      You make me laugh, in a good way.

      No, I’m not from Aruba;

      And, yes, I’m trying to know something. Actually, I think I’m real close to having it. I’m working on some research.

      Wow! You were up late last night, too.

      Good Morning to ya both…

    54. Patti on September 18th, 2007 10:56 am

      Justice for Natalee #33:

      White pick-up = Yes

      White Suzuki = Yes

      Fisherman’s Cage = Yes

      Cover-up by Kalpoes = Yes

      Paulus = NO – LYING

      4am pick-up = Yes. Delivery of Antedote and
      transport of Natalee.

      Steve Croes = Yes

      Freddy Z = Yes

      Mickey Johns = Yes

      Everything else okay except
      the gardner’s testimony.

      Carlos Ramos = Bad guy list.

      imho

    55. Patti on September 18th, 2007 11:04 am

      Mornin’ Carpe!

      Aruba’s Justice System is a Piece of Shit

      Even, I’d be afraid to call 9-1-1

    56. 10061906 on September 18th, 2007 12:19 pm

      pattie 45;
      Hi: I usually try to do my research before I post. You have a good memory. I mentioned that “cone of silence” over a year ago.

    57. 10061906 on September 18th, 2007 12:40 pm

      For those who wonder about Shango and Simian:
      http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html

    58. Maggie on September 18th, 2007 4:23 pm

      When JQK was on Greta’s show a few nights ago over the documents in the Dr. Phil case ruling, he said he talked to the Aruban prosecutor that day and was told.. KLPD are still in Holland working on the Forensics and a few working in Aruba..and they will decide in the next couple months what to do. They went back to Holland in July. What kind of forensics do they have that takes over months to work on? Give me a break. I don’t believe there are people in Aruba working on it either. What would they be working on? The KLPD have not requestioned anyone. Paulus didn’t go to court to keep the FBI out of this case for no reason.

      When 3 guys leave with a girl, and only the girl doesn’t come back it’s more than suspicious, but when they lie and collude to make up stories why she is missing before it’s known she is missing, big red flag!

      The whole strategy all along has been to drag this out until people go away and stop talking about it and to keep saying we are working on forensics and still investigating. Investigate Straten, Paulus and Jacobs they have the answers. How can KLPD do anything different, if they don’t even talk to the suspects to requestion them? Why in the world would they ever release Joran, put restrictions on him, then out of the blue say he can go to Holland and they can’t be questioned again without new evidence. They should start a reality show called “Stuck on Stupid”

    59. Patti on September 18th, 2007 5:30 pm

      Maggie:

      They are not going to play their hand unless we
      put pressure on them. The death of Natalee was
      not a rape and murder by some punk kids.

    60. 10061906 on September 18th, 2007 5:57 pm

      You pose a good question concerning Rene. He was the one nearly decapitated and found in the Government parking lot near the cemetery in Sabana Basora.
      Rene; in charge of the Industrial Incinerator and one at Oduber Hospital.
      It is interesting to note that almost all the death notices are mentioned. Even Pitbulls was in the Mementomori Obituaries; but no mention of poor Rene; no funeral, no viewing and no cemetery: no nothing (double negative)
      PS
      Shango uses “lamb” not goat.

    61. Maggie on September 18th, 2007 7:17 pm

      I do believe it involved those 3, I think the cover up goes high though.

    62. waterboy (Jerry) on September 18th, 2007 7:37 pm

      I noticed that mama and papa sloot use a strange expression. It goes like this. “Yes, just like a normal boy.” They seem to use this a lot when describing actions of Joran. I’ve been scratching my head trying to decide why they use those words over and over again. Could it be because they know Joran is not normal, and when he does something nearly “normal”, they are quick to point it out?

      I for one have not seen a lot of “normal” things that Joran has done. He seems to me to be deeply disturbed, and I’ll add extremely dangerous.

      I don’t have any daughters, but if I did, I would not let them get within a mile of this “normal” boy.

      You have heard the expression “bonk” I could have had a V-8.
      I’m sure Joran’s ex-girlfriends are saying “bonk” I could have had a “normal” boyfriend.

      Joran, the “normal boy” looks like something out of a horror movie. All his early under-aged drinking has stunted his pee—wee brain the neuro transmitters are conducting at a tangent to “normal”. His hairstyle is right out of a Frankenstein movie.

      Jerry

    63. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

      “My advice to Joran—Hey you antonym of a saint, get ready for a life of rejection. You are a reject from the pit of hell, and no one other than a complete, total reject will ever have anything to do with you.”

      Jerry

      ROFLMAOOOOOO

      … but hey, look at the bright side, right?

      DOH!!!! My bad.

      There isn’t one, Sporter. -j4n

    64. Patti on September 18th, 2007 8:12 pm

      What if it were the other way around?

    65. brie on September 18th, 2007 8:13 pm

      Why do we have a signed document in Beth’s possession that say’s Joran had sex with Natalee in his house….Beth knows what happened, come one “SEA COW”, describes her underwear….our gov’t needs to take a stand on this, it has gone on too long. You’ve got a pervert in your household and you know it…..he was out for one reason!! Paulus was never ?’d about his time-line….and why not!!!! Because of all his dirty little deales in the the past

    66. Carpe Noctem on September 18th, 2007 9:39 pm

      —————————–

      SATISH KALPOE 6/24/2005 ALE STATEMENT

      What I noticed was that each time that my brother Deepak and I were visiting with Joran, his father Paul was there, therefore we could talk with Joran. The father Paul told us that we could be interrogated as suspects also after being interrogated as witnesses. Also I can explain that there was a time that when I was with my brother Deepak and Joran and his father was also there,

      ********************************

      Joran said “if a body is found that we are in big trouble”. My brother and I said to Joran that is impossible because we had done nothing. Joran said then laughing, “Yes, yes you are right”.

      **********************

      Deepak and I have known Joran for approximately a year. I’ve known Joran longer, a little longer than a year.

      On your question how I believe that Freddy knows both tales, I can explain the following:
      Freddy himself had told both tales to my brother and Joran. Afterwards my brother asked Freddy to ask Joran what really happened, since Freddy is Joran’s best friend and certainly Joran would tell Freddy the truth.

      My brother and I had doubts concerning what Joran had told us. I found Joran acting nervous when he told us what happened on the beach. I found it also strange that he left the missing girl this way near the water for that time. Okay avoided he ask that direct do had concerning missing little girl and him on the range. (He avoided direct questions regarding the missing girl on the beach?)

      How did I know that Joran became nervous? I can explain the following:
      Joran looked around then visibility was gone and tried to avoid eye contact. Also his eyes opened further. Also he gave me the impression that he had to think of what he would say. Also it was notable to me that he didn’t want to talk long regarding the beach, but always concerning the tale of the Holiday Inn.

      On your question on how I think that Joran my brother and I are involved and will tell the truth, I can explain the following:
      Joran was the last person that was with the missing girl and wants to involve us. He wants to give only his account.

      -J4N-

    67. mayan_moons on September 18th, 2007 10:54 pm

      Yeah who talks like that…….in reference of “just like a normal boy. Does sound like another freudian slip there doesn’t it.

    68. brie on September 18th, 2007 11:07 pm

      And he lies..and he lies and he lies…!!!! I believe nothing that Joran’s says!!!

    69. disgustedmom on September 19th, 2007 12:54 am

      When Anita refers to Joran as a normal boy I hear ‘real boy’ like Pinnoccio, and ‘somehow’ it fits! LOL

    70. disgustedmom on September 19th, 2007 1:00 am

      #66, Carpe…what’s this from your post?

      “Okay avoided he ask that direct do had concerning missing little girl and him on the range.”

      On the range? Could he be talking about Paint Ball? (and didn’t Joran kill his dog shooting paint balls at him?)

      Maybe the ‘shit’ they would see on the girl if they found her was paint?

      And maybe the guns they speak of were Paint Ball guns?
      ________________________
      SM: Clarification – I think it’s a translation issue. I believe the online translators translate the dutch word for beach/sand into range, if I recall correctly. (klaasend)

    71. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2007 6:59 am

      > What klaas, said. ;)

    72. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2007 9:07 am

      http://www.state.gov/

      Keep writing to Dr. Rice regarding the denial of justice to American citizen, Natalee Holloway.

    73. Patti on September 19th, 2007 9:44 am

      Brie #65 – Yes!

      Why would Joran sign a document like that?

      What does it “cover”?

      .

      Maggie:

      You and I have been around for a long time. But,
      we have never actually conversed with one another
      other than to say, “great post” or having a few
      words of encouragement. But, I’m going to ask
      you a personal question…

      Remember those posts that I used to make about
      lighting the fires and pounding the drums? I’d
      call out Oduber with “Do Tell” when he made
      threats against his own people about having
      a military army.

      Do you remember what happened?

      The Minister of Justice put out a statement that
      anyone found conversing with the “aliens” would be
      considered traitors. Suddenly, there were people
      found hung in public places, as a warning. Two
      news people died; and there is no telling how
      many “little” people were killed.

      Do you know why?

      Because they killed Natalee.

    74. Patti on September 19th, 2007 9:58 am

      Disgusted Mom:

      We are not dealing with people that fight with

      paint balls. What was done to Natalee was a

      direct attack against the United States.

      Do you know how?

      .

      {{edit}}

      .

      HEY, ODUBER…

      You piece of SHIT!

      How many children have you killed?

      .

      Ohhhhhh… Let’s see:

      One child every month, for

      every tribe of every nation…

      For almost 2000 years…

      What’s that?!?!?

      No wonder you’re hiding out and sucking air.

      .

      Did ya have fun, getting drunk

      with the blood of the Holloway Lamb?

      Must’ve been a pretty “SPECIAL” festival

      to go to all that trouble…

      if you know what I mean.

      .

      What’cha gonna do?

      Call another Minister to get

      your people to shut up?

      .

      Your People Are COWARDS!

      The Rocks cry out…

      The soil weeps…

      and, your skies are full of smoke.

      .

      LET’S TOAST TO THEIR VIRGINITY

      WHILE WE FORNICATE IN THEIR BLOOD?!?!?!

      .

      These are Children…

      Somebody’s Babies…

      And you Laugh, Sing and Dance…

      …While They Cry?!?!?

      How many other political leaders sacrifice the
      life of an American Beauty as a way to boost
      their political success?

    75. Patti on September 19th, 2007 10:29 am

      This is not a sex crime, it’s a spiritual one.

      Natalee wasn’t raped, in the sense that we know.

      They tried to rob her of her spirit, her strength.

      She had passed the test on the beach.

      She was not a slut…

      and they killed her.

      Drinking her blood.

      .

      Shango says that the birds will sing,
      but the Cowboys won’t hear the music
      because it is a poison song.

      Let’s not ignore it.

      Let’s find the truth in the song

      and stop the practice of sacrificing

      the most innocent ones in a sick,

      perverted attempt to steal their spirit.

      .

      ARUBA!

      You shall come to nothing!

      We have our own birds…

      And not one of them shall

      fall from the sky

      without the knowledge of Jehovah.

      You will fall and your teepees will be crushed!

    76. brie on September 19th, 2007 10:51 am

      Well, it’s September, where is the word from the Dutch? We’ve waited on Aruba, now we’re waiting on the Netherlands…they didn’t return Natalee to the hotel and no one has seen her since, they haven’t got a witness that saw them on the beach and until they can prove otherwise, which they can’t, they all belong in jail, at very least, for kidnapping..there are witnesses that saw Natalee in the car. I don’t understand why our gov’t, giving them ample time to solve the case, is not involved. Their crime was committed against our American, so let’s bring them to the US and give them to our justice system.

    77. Patti on September 19th, 2007 11:41 am

      The religion of the Arawak Nation calls for human

      sacrifice to please the gods, to atone sin and to

      sustain political power. The reason Natalee was

      attacked was to be a human sacrifice. The Nation

      of Arawak was celebrating, heavily during the hard

      fought political campain and were planning a

      special celebration in June.

      Charles Croes was hired to organize the political

      celebration which would feature the High Priest

      who would offer the sacrifice of a virgin in

      behalf of the Indian Nation. He has powerful

      ties with the ATA and knew Natalee.

      Natalee was watched every second that she was

      in Aruba. Her kidnapping and murder had been

      all planned out. GVC and his father were in

      charge of monitoring her at the Holiday Inn.

      It was June. The seniors had just graduated and

      this celebration and the money that was derived

      from it would go far in paying for college. The

      Van der Sloots were hired to kidnap Natalee.

      They were to keep her in a cage until the time of

      the Festival.

      Steve Croes, GVC and Joran were teamed up. Joran

      was to drug Natalee at the beach and upon giving

      the signal, the three of them were to take

      Natalee in the cage to Joran’s house. Something

      happened to Natalee and she would’t wake up she

      may have been foaming at the mouth, so they

      called Paulus who searched the internet. Charles

      Croes is notified, as well, and the two of them go

      to the beach to help.

      Joran calls Deepak, mad about the overdose, and

      Deepak takes to cleaning his car. When Natalee

      is okay, they start on their trip to the Van der

      Sloots compound where she is unloaded and taken

      into Paulus’ house. Everyone in that house knew

      that Natalee was there. She did sit in their

      bathtub.

      Paulus had planned for Anita and the boys to be on

      vacation, but they were called back from their

      trip to the Netherlands to care for Natalee and

      to screen him from the press and anyone else that

      might show up.

      Charles Croes is an elder of the Arawak Nation.

      Julie Renfre is an employee. She and Croes

      worked together to divert attention. The

      gardener, he is a plant. The Kalpoes and Joran

      never drove there that night. I also think the

      eyewitness from the Racket Club is also fake.

      There was no way that anyone was to have sex with

      Natalee. However, she would be put to the test…

      as she was, by Joran, on the beach.

      The day of the “show,” Natalee had her hair

      curled. She was adorned with make-up, perfume

      and powder. Natalee, in their opinion, had come

      at a high price and they would go ahead and

      sacrifice her in defiance of everything that is

      right. There were hundreds of people there. The

      drums were beating and the fires were burning

      full blast. The smoke filled the air. The High

      Priest of Aruba would drink the blood of the lamb

      in celebration of atonement, prosperity and

      success for all. I think we all know who this

      celebration was for… Nelson Oduber.

      The reason for all the stalling is because they

      don’t know how much we know. They think that we

      know everything and that the family knows

      everything. They’re afraid to play a card, or

      perhaps they don’t know which one to play.

      Either way, we need to find out what day the

      atonement was that month. That will be the day

      Natalee died. They have a special calander that

      corresponds with the movement of the stars so I

      can’t look it up. But it probably was the

      Ninth.

      I can’t tell you how this case has effected me

      emotionally. So go and tell the family. Alarm

      the Government and get this stuff behind us.

      This Nation will test your faith in God, fill

      your heart with hate and destroy you if you let

      it.

      They kill a virgin every month. Every tribe of

      every nation. They will do anything to keep this

      a secret and now you know why.

    78. Patti on September 19th, 2007 11:46 am

      Brie:

      The reason the Dutch are stalling is because they
      want to know how much we know. They don’t want
      to embarrass themselves by being caught in the
      same light as the Arawak Nation.

      They already have Human Rights violations to have
      to worry about. They want to be in good standing
      with the U.S. and the United Nations. They know
      what happened. They just don’t want to stir
      things up any more than they have to. If it were
      left up to them, they could just look the other
      way. But they don’t want to get caught looking
      the other way.

    79. Patti on September 19th, 2007 12:11 pm

      Distgusted Mom:

      Sorry for the mis-post. I don’t want you to
      think I’m picking on you. It was just a
      pasteing error.

    80. 10061906 on September 19th, 2007 12:32 pm

      If anyone wants to revisit this episode.

      http://judicial-inc.biz/a,_psychic_investigation_into_the.htm

      http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/natalee_holloway/1_index.html

      http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/csi.html

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9398540/

      The reasons why “No Body, No Case” and Aruba could not afford a forensic autopsy of Natalee due to possible visible head or torso injuries; read on……
      Because of the state of decomposition of the bodies of both Chiang and Levy, we do not appear to have a clear understanding of their cause of death, or of their interactions with any possible assailant. There is no media information to suggest that either victim was stabbed, shot, or the victim of blunt force trauma. Such lack of an apparent cause of death may still suggest to some veteran homicide investigators and profilers that the women could, nonetheless, have been the victims of foul play. They may have been so-called “soft kills,” murders that occur without leaving evidence of how, why, and at whose hands they met their death. Levy’s hyoid bone, the “U” shaped bone at the base of the tongue that supports the muscles of the tongue, was still intact, perhaps negating the potential for strangulation, although less than 50% of strangulation victims under age 40 exhibit fractures to the hyoid, the body’s only “floating bone.”
      Remember the technique called “Something Dreaming” which causes a person to come in and out of consciousness; which is how Joran et al described sex with Natalee; and how it is applied to the throat.
      http://www.boneclones.com/images/fm-531-set-lg.jpg

    81. Patti on September 19th, 2007 1:54 pm

      Quote:

      Posted by 1906 –

      Remember the technique called “Something Dreaming” which causes a person to COME in and out of consciousness;

      Boy… if that’s not a freudian slip?!?!?

    82. 10061906 on September 19th, 2007 3:44 pm

      pattie:
      a person to COME in and out of consciousness;

      Boy… if that’s not a freudian slip?!?!?

      I guess “go” would have been a better choice then “come”. But it is used in the gay community to enhance sex.

      Initially ruled a suicide, 13-year-old Chelsea Dunn may have accidentally killed herself by what some kids call a game.

      “They call it something dreaming,” says twenty-year-old Kelly Pilger. Sarah Johnson remembers, “They call it fainting each other.”

      Self-asphyxiation-choking each other or themselves, which produces a kind of high. “Press people up against a wall, until they didn’t have any oxygen, until they passed out,” describes Kelly. Jessica Fuller says “[they] probably do it for about four hours at a time, like repeatedly, over and over again.”

      They use bags, belts, ties, or even their own bare hands, causing hypoxia, a shortage of oxygen. “Basically, it’s a very dangerous play where the person deprives his brain of oxygen,” explains Dr. Ashraf Attalla, child psychiatrist, “By reducing the blood pressure the brain basically starts an irreversible process of dying.”

      And he says the result can be permanent brain damage, or in cases like Chelsea Dunn- death.

      Obviously there is no drug test, but there are clues that parents need to watch for. “Any UNUSUAL MARKS AROUND THE NECK. Parents might find some ties, or ropes tied in unusual ways, complaints of headaches,BLOOD SHOT EYES,” explains Dr. Attalla.

      He says some kids may be fascinated by this strange and dangerous play. As Sarah Johnson says, “It’s something that’s not talked about, it’s not well known, and there’s a lure to that.”

      And that’s why experts say- take away the mystery. Teach your kids that this is no game. “It’s a very, very dangerous practice,” says the doctor, “and I think the community and parents need to know about this.”

    83. 10061906 on September 19th, 2007 3:56 pm

      patti:
      Sorry about the slip; I guess I was thinking about the “Energizer Bunny” and what would happen if he put his batteries in “backwards”.

    84. brie on September 19th, 2007 4:04 pm

      If Natalee was going in and out of consciousness then why didn’t Joran seek medical attention for her, he prevented her from someone saving her life. He had a cell phone, call 911. How come this has never been an issue, along with all the rest?

      They all need to be re-arrested and held in jail, Paulus says “no body no case”, well, go sit in jail until you can tell us where to find the body, Paulus and Joran claim to know…innocent people may be hurt, if you had anything to do with Natalee, then your not innocent anyway…that’s a pile of garbage talk…the innocent people that you have hurt and continue to hurt are Natalee’s family, friends and the people that have come to love her.

    85. Richard on September 19th, 2007 4:08 pm

      For those who believe in this idea, going in and out of consciousness … I posted some months ago about the possibility that the stain in Deepak’s car, supposedly chocolate or something like that, might have been a residue from some kind of dry cleaning material that uses chloroform.

      Or, perhaps, they might have gotten hold of chloroform or ether. If Joran and/or the Kalpoes, and/or other people perhaps, are psychotic and sadistic, they might have enjoyed the experience of putting Natalee back to sleep, time after time.

      Chloroform, used in sufficient quantities, can be fatal. But something tells me that Joran and his sidekicks wouldn’t be deterred by something like that … as long as it happened to someone else.

    86. 10061906 on September 19th, 2007 4:33 pm

      brie:
      The part that absolutely pi$$es the hell out of me is when Joran says he left Natalee on the beach and the last time she went unconscious she did not respond. So he left her there.
      In Aruba I believe for what Joran has admitted to; leaving someone alone, unconscious and unable to defend one’s self; is a punishable offense worth five years in prison. What say ye Joe Tacopina. Yet he has not been prosecuted for that offence because Paulus worked in the Prosecutor’s Office and he knows everyone there including I’m very sure Karen J and others. We know that won’t happen because Paulus has probably threatened that if you bring any of those charges against my son other heads will roll; namely;
      Geoff, Guido, Michael, Koen, Freddie, and Sanders, etc. etc. etc.
      And that is another thing that pi$$es me off. How the hell are they (aruba) permitting Joe T to exercise any kind of legal pratice on Aruba. That is against their law. HuH!! Explain that one.
      Aruba Law: The Law of convienences patterned after the Law of The Netherlands.
      They should be called the Hooverlands because they sure do SUCK.

    87. Maggie on September 19th, 2007 7:31 pm

      Oh Lord…Patti..

      and LOL 1006, Hooverland..

    88. Patti on September 19th, 2007 9:09 pm

      Maggie:

      That’s what I thought.

      But, if you do the research,

      it describes the evidence at the rocks.

      The tearing out of the heart to give to the Gods.

      Everything….

      Cannibalism is alive and well in Aruba.

    89. Maggie on September 19th, 2007 10:08 pm

      Sorry Patti, but I don’t know of anyone eating people in Aruba, that I’ve heard of. Only one that comes to mind is Jeffrey Dahmer. I’m sure cannibalism exists in some places, I just haven’t heard of anything in this case about it. Also I don’t know of anyone in this case drinking someone’s blood. Seriously, I believe this was 3 who went out to pick up a girl and was up to no good and it went really downhill from there. Pictures good possibility. Satish talks about going with Joran to return Freddy’s camera. Anita talks about a camera the cops took. If you want answers to what happened to Natalee.. talk to the 3 who still disagree about Natalee’s state and conditions that night and who still disagree how Joran got home and the wishy washy story about the shoes. etc. Paulus says he would do anything for his son. Remember when he kept hold of Dave’s hand for an hour or so when Dave shook his hand. Paulus has low friends in high places. I don’t even believe Joran sneaked out that night. Joran came and went as he pleased all the time. He was given a “free ticket” to do so, by placing him in his own home at 14. He’s never sorry for what he does, just sorry he got caught.

    90. brie on September 19th, 2007 10:15 pm

      test

    91. brie on September 19th, 2007 10:21 pm

      Why do we have a delay in posting….my ? what does the statement mean you haven’t answered the challenge, even thought you got the numbers right!!!

    92. Patti on September 19th, 2007 10:44 pm

      Maggie:

      I agree with you about Joran’s personality and I respect your opinion in this case.

      But, if what I’m saying is true; that would explain why there were so many sons and fathers involved. It’s the Indian culture to send your sons out. It would also explain why these people were all politically well connected.

      Why did Natalee’s virginity become such an important point to both the Holloways and the perps. They argued about it back and forth. The perps constantly saying that she was not a virgin.

      If it worked from the top down, meaning the ones that are visible to us are the scouts and not the ministers of the tribe, what would be the point of INSISTING that she was not a virgin? It is obvious to me that Beth hit a cord, when she said that, and the birds sang.

      Nearly 100% of the population is Arowak, which explains their secrecy. Shango thought it very important to specify the religion of the people involved. He speaks, constantly, of feeding the Gods. He talks about the teepees getting crushed and there being no “food” if the Cowboys find out what happened.

      What do you suppose that would mean?

      Remember the body in the cave? Arms and legs cut off. Stabbed repeatedly in the body and, finally, beheaded. Isn’t it possible that he was eaten in a country where it is not only socially acceptable, but, a “Holy” thing to do?

    93. yoyo muffintop on September 19th, 2007 10:46 pm

      So it’s now come down to a talking coffee pot and cannibalism.
      That’ll work in court…

      Patti – didn’t this shango bs’er dude say mary was not a virgin? Opps, sorry to blow your cannibal theory. And it made soooo much sense.

    94. Patti on September 19th, 2007 11:09 pm

      Yo Yo:

      Hey, old friend. I can always tell when I’m doing the right thing, because you pop up.

      I’m not talking about court. But, certainly, a nation that practices Cannibalism as a form of religion is breaking every human rights statute that was ever written. It will be interesting to see how the Netherlands will react to having the responsibility for breeding cannibals over the past 200 years.

      That would explain all those bones and body parts that are seen in the shape of the rocks. They are probably bones that have fossilized.

      The earth cries out from all the bloodshed. The sea is spitting up bones. They didn’t think they could keep all those children quiet, did they?

    95. Patti on September 19th, 2007 11:20 pm

      Yo Yo:

      Oops… I didn’t answer your question:

      Shango told a story, I suppose…

      Although I haven’t gotten to the meat of his story, only reading it twice; it is apparent that he didn’t want us to miss the point about sacrificing.

      I haven’t read it enough to quote it, one way or another. It’s just that when I came to this conclusion, I remembered Shango, not the other way around.

    96. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2007 11:48 pm

      LET’S TOAST TO THEIR VIRGINITY

      WHILE WE FORNICATE IN THEIR BLOOD?!?!?!

      ….

      #74

      Here’s MUD IN YOUR EYE!!! (clink) ;)

    97. Patti on September 20th, 2007 12:18 am

      To be a virgin represents purity, the ability

      to practice self control and moral strength.

      Yet, the Ministers and Priests making these

      sacrifices don’t live by those morals.

      Basically, I’m saying their hypocritical.

    98. Patti on September 20th, 2007 12:50 am

      Carpe:

      I answered your question, but it didn’t post.

      Blood is Sacred, even in their culture.

      So to commit a sin, like fornication,

      in something holy would be like

      having sex on the alter.

      Again, I am calling him a hypocrite.

    99. Patti on September 20th, 2007 1:13 am

      These Priests literally get DrunK

      which can make them mean spirited

      just like an alcoholic.

    100. yoyo muffintop on September 20th, 2007 1:22 am

      Patti – “She was adorned with make-up, perfume and powder.”
      Was that powder White Shoulders? That’s what I used to give my Grandma for Christmas every year.

      Patti, after reading #95 I gotcha now. Whew…for a second there I thought you went off the deep end. My bad.

    101. Patti on September 20th, 2007 1:43 am

      Yo Yo – LMAO!!!

      Again, it’s good to see you.

    102. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2007 9:43 am

      Would some kind hearted person

      have mercy on my soul and shut

      that b**** the f*** up?

      http://tinyurl.com/2v2Xmj

      http://tinyurl.com/yovoj9

      -j4n

    103. 10061906 on September 20th, 2007 11:40 am

      A few thoughts to consider.

      From Shango:
      1. What you seek is not hidden.
      2. What you seek is in plainview.
      3. What you seek cannot be seen by light of day.
      4. What is unseen is larger than what is seen.
      5. Mary who was not the virgin.

      http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2929235060049496008LDaeFZ

      The way I interpret Shango and Dave.
      1. Seek a landmark.
      2. The Grotto is in plainview
      3. The Grotto is lit 7/24 very visible at night.
      4. The inside of a cave is larger than the opening.
      5. Mary who is the Virgin

      Psychics have said that you have to go through a white gate and climb steps to find Natalee.

      http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2475904060076188600KDPfBU

      The Grotto is just north of San Nicolas, west of Grapefield Beach and east of Lago Colony. My guess is a two kilometer radius and about two kilometers from Lorenzo’s. Aruba is about 114 square miles; if Natalee were on the island every little bit of info is helpful.

      http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif

      Just a thought>>>>

    104. brie on September 20th, 2007 4:03 pm

      …102…Carpe, yeah, I think I was about ready to toss my cookies!

    105. brie on September 20th, 2007 4:38 pm

      My two thoughts are, Natalee is either in the sea, or she was abducted. The sea because they were unaware that anyone could come with equipment to search to the bottom. If you live on an island I’m sure you would know where the international waters are. Aruba wouldn’t go there. And the salt water would destroy DNA. Weighted down in the fisherman’s cage. Croes and his party boat, is likely, also Koen and Sander’s father’s boat. And maybe even a fisherman’s boat, cash ATM withdrawal from Paulus.

      The idea of abduction, I think it is strange that Joran acquired alot of money at the casino the evening of the day Natalee became missing. Also Guildo makes a quick exit from Aruba. Did he win money too! They were together. Guildo just quit’s his job and leaves. Hmmmmmm! If there was an abduction I would think Posner also had something to do with it.

    106. brie on September 20th, 2007 5:39 pm

      ? why do you give a 17 year old at a casino, a line of credit…he’s gambling and drinking under age…it’s because of Paulus and his dirty little deals…why involve your son…he attracts young women for prostitution and abduction…Posner a criminal…it initially takes place in his hotel….your disgusting parents… Anita and Paulus…the things you allow… he is not a sporter, he is not a real boy, he’s a really messed up kid, a psychopath, and you do nothing about it!!!! If you think Joran is OK, then I would worry about the fate of his brothers.

      Paulus, I’ll protect my son, bullcrap, your protecting yourself, If you were a decent parent none of this would of happened…Joran didn’t belong in the casino, or “Carlos N Carlies”…none of this would of happen if you had been a parent!!!

    107. brie on September 20th, 2007 6:54 pm

      It all revolves around Paulus, the “wanna be judge”. Well somebody had enough smarts to prevent this from happening. But then he is allowed to sue and receive monies over Natalee’s disappearance…..no one cared about the timeline or even ?’d him. Talk about corruption…this guy is over his head!!!! The island STINKS and REEKS. I hope the Netherlands do justice….!!!!

    108. brie on September 20th, 2007 7:03 pm

      Kidnapping is a crime…and they are guilty…there are no witnesses….!!!!! They all belong in jail!!!!

    109. Richard on September 20th, 2007 8:22 pm

      Remember that Amy Bradley, the day before she disappeared as her cruise ship was docking at Curacao, was asked by members of the crew to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charleys.

      Doubtless an odd coincidence….

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