Aruba: No White Bread for You … The economic effects keep coming


Just how bad is it getting in Aruba? No white bread to be made available? Forget about “No Soup for you” … Aruba, “No white bread for you”.  The BBO strikes White_breadagain. Talk about desperate for tax revenue. And why is Aruba scraping for tax revenue? Who wants to admit the one thing that occurred in Aruba that has caused all of this to occur?  Can anyone in Aruba state that white bread would be off the menus prior to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Are you beginning to understand the far reaching implications of what this botched investigation and cover-up by Aruban officials has done? The affects of individuals boycott to vacation in a place they deemed unsafe and worse yet, a place where tourists knew they would never get any help from authorities was never going to occur overnight. The deep effects of a downward economy are like turning an ocean liner. It takes time; however, when the effects finally do take place … they take even longer to correct. Aruba, was it worth it?

ORANJESTAD – If it is up to the association of bakeries, there won’t be white bread (kipashi) on the shelves starting this January 1st.  The minister of Finance and Economic Affairs has announced the new price for white bread, which includes the bbo, but the association doesn’t agree with the price increase, because the bakers say that it is not enough to cover the costs. 

Read the full story, Amigoe; December 31, 2006: No white bread due to bbo


ORANJESTAD – If it is up to the association of bakeries, there won’t be white bread (kipashi) on the shelves starting this January 1st.  The minister of Finance and Economic Affairs has announced the new price for white bread, which includes the bbo, but the association doesn’t agree with the price increase, because the bakers say that it is not enough to cover the costs. 

Representatives of amongst others Huchada, Bright Bakery, Panaderia del Pueblo and Panaderia Moderna deliberated last Thursday on what to do next after they received a letter from Economic Affairs, Trade and Industry Administration (Dezhi) two weeks ago about the price increase.  After the bbo was ratified last Friday, the bakers realized that the price increase would really be introduced. 

The bakers say that the government wants to compensate the negative effects of the bbo for the minimum wage earners by increasing the minimum wage, but the price increase of white bread does not cover the extra costs resulting from the above.  The bakers are of the opinion that Dezhi should have also considered those costs when stipulating the price of white bread.   

In the past, the association of bakeries has already complained that the price of white bread, fixed by the government, is too low.  The margins are so low that the bakeries can hardly recoup their costs, said Eddy Berg, spokesman of the association.  The government fixes the price of white bread, same as other products that the government considers as primary necessities of life.  The Finance-ministry published on Friday the new prices of basic products that apply effective January 1st, 2007.   These prices include the bbo.  For example, one liter regular gas increases with 10.3 cents and one cylinder of 45.5 kilo cooking gas will cost 44.03 florins effective 2007. 

The responsible minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) indicated that the margins will remain the same for the bakers, because the price increase includes the bbo.  “The price for white bread will increase to 2.33 florins.  Considering the extra costs they say they make as consequence to the bbo, the bakers want the price increase to be 2.45 florins.  They first have to come up with proofs”, said Swaen.  

This is normal procedure, says the minister.  The bakers have to present their annual account first to show that the costs have indeed increased.  The bakers will discuss the new price of white bread with Dezhi again on January 3rd. 

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  • Comments

    154 Responses to “Aruba: No White Bread for You … The economic effects keep coming”

    1. robots on December 31st, 2006 12:18 pm

      ARUBA is DONE

      JAM A FORK in them

      awwwww.. what the HECK i will JAM it for them

      i hate them all

    2. Kat_Gram on December 31st, 2006 12:27 pm

      Let them eat cake.

    3. Desiree on December 31st, 2006 12:41 pm

      Wheat bread is much healtier than white.
      Happy Healthy New Year to all and that Natalee may be found so that everyone
      will have peace.

    4. joe bear on December 31st, 2006 12:50 pm

      Well,I could help their economy,in a moment.I think we all know how.

    5. mayan_moons on December 31st, 2006 12:52 pm

      Hey for those who want bread on Aruba just explain with a straight face that it (the bread) just VANNISHED!

      Yeah….that’ll work

    6. nurturer on December 31st, 2006 1:16 pm

      I’ll say it again: Aruba needs U.S., we don’t need them.

    7. Desiree on December 31st, 2006 1:18 pm

      mayan_moons,beautiful name, sounds exotic. Let me explain to you that bread has to be made out of dough and dough has to be made out of flower, water and sometimes eggs.
      I don’t know if the flower and water are gone because then Aruba is gone but..I doubt.All hotelrooms are occupied and tourists are laying next to each other on the beaches like herring in a can.I rather go to Bali but don’t have the money for it. And…there is no bread there…who cares!


      SM:   Doesn’t look like the beaches are packed to me (klaasend)


    8. Desiree on December 31st, 2006 1:42 pm

      Bucuti hotel doesn’t even exist anymore, nice try! Try to book a room for this week and you will see. Any hotel that is there and not being renovated like the Bucuti.I will send you some pictures tomorrow.Enjoy your evening. There are several great parties on the island. The Marriott and Hyatt are the best.Klaasend did I understand you lived here some time ago when was that?


      SM:   Nope, I’ve never lived in Aruba (klaasend)

    9. Allan K on December 31st, 2006 1:57 pm

      Maybe Desiree, is that desiree croes or is it the bridal shop. What is your occupation there and I know it isn’t making bread?

    10. Pearl on December 31st, 2006 2:00 pm

      One thing has become perfectly clear about the crimes committed against Natalee Holloway is that nothing about her case was ever “botched”.

      Can we with any sense of sincerity say this investigation was botched when we now know that:

      - Police failed to interrogate the three men last seen taking a living Natalee Holloway away in their car, failing to detain and interrogate them on May 31, when Beth Twitty hand delivered to police their names at 3 AM in the morning. Standard police procedures would be to at the very least, pick up Satish and find out what he has to say about all the lies being told by Joran, Deepak and Paulus on May 31 as Beth asked Paulus: Where is my daughter? Yet ALE don’t even bother to go pick up Satish? Botched?

      - No follow up whatsoever from Police following the early morning calls from Mountain Brook chaperones to Aruba’s Beach Security patrol, asking for help concerning Natalee being a missing child, yet no response from the ALE until later that night? Botched?

      - Within 24 hours, police knew that Joran, Deepak and Satish had lied about “dropping her off at the Holiday Inn”. They knew Joran, Deepak and Satish had lied about seeing a “security guard” approach her, as she “walked into the lobby”. The ALE even knew that Natalee never walked into the lobby, because they knew that she was never “dropped off”. Yet, they continued to allow these 3 men to go completely free, despite them being the last people to be eye witnessed as taking Natalee away. Botched?

      - Within 24 hours, police knew that Hotel employees had stated that Natalee had never come through the lobby entrance as indicated as the “drop off location” by Joran and Deepak on May 31 after Beth arrived at 3 AM. Yet, ALE continued to allow Joran, Deepak and Satish their full freedom, in fact, they didn’t even bother to go question Satish right then and there. Botched?

      - Police knew that there was an OLDER MAN sitting right next to Natalee at the casino, on the last night that she was ever seen alive. That older man sat right across from JORAN, at the same casino table as Natalee, who was literally pulling away from the older man in the casino video. And JORAN was one of the three men, who took a living Natalee away in his car on the last night she was ever seen alive – again. Yet despite this, that older man, and his son ..?, Joran – were never detained for any questioning concerning WHERE Natalee had been taken following the car ride by Joran, Deepak and Satish despite the known lies being told that she was “dropped off” at her hotel and approached by a black security guard? Botched?

      - Numerous conflicting statements by Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus did not warrent enough reason for their detainment under “cause for suspicion”. Paulus, who told Beth that not only was his son not with Natalee on May 29th into May 30 (which is interesting given Paulus..? casino appearance on camera, next to Natalee just hours earlier)- yet Paulus claims to Beth that he knows nothing about Natalee when Beth first approached Paulus at 3AM on 5/31 in the morning, and Paulus also went on to say that he had picked up his son at 4 AM, which he then later changed to 11 PM on the previous date.
      Despite all these conflicting statements, none of the 3 men seen taking a living Natalee away were detained in the initial first ten days of the so-called “investigation”.

      - Statements by various Aruban representatives indicated that all police needed to hold those innocent Black security guards was “cause for suspicion”. Yet, no such “cause for suspicion” ever surfaced in the minds of any ALE officials or the prosecutors office when it came to the numerous, daily changing and conflicting lie-statements made by Joran, Deepak and Satish who were eye witnessed as taking Natalee away in their car, after which, she was never seen alive again. Of note, the fact that Joran and Deepak’s very first statements concerning comments about Natalee “falling” as she exited their car following their lies about “dropping her off” didn’t raise any alarms in the heads of any of the prosecutors, or ALE officials, while surveillance tapes were already proving within 24 hours that the lies of “dropping her off at the Holiday Inn” were fabricated, that there was no “drop off”, that there was no “security guard” and that Natalee was never brought back to the Holiday Inn at all – and all of this was clearly known within 24 hours while Natalee continued to be missing, yet these 3 men (Joran, Deepak and Satish) who were seen taking this child away in their car, were never even held under “cause for suspicion” – while two innocent Black men WITH ALIBIS, were immediately held for detainment and interrogation, under “cause for suspicion”? That’s BOTCHED?

      - Awareness by the ALE that Natalee not only was never “dropped off at the Holiday Inn”, and no such security guard ever approached her in the lobby ( because it was all lies), but despite knowing this within 24 hours, and following Joran and Deepak identifyingfor the ALE – “the lobby entrance” as the drop off location, Jan Van der Straaten then went on to tell the media that Natalee “could have entered through another area” while completely disregarding the fact that the men who took Natalee away in their car, had directly told police and Beth that they had dropped Natalee off at the hotel entrance – and yet, despite hotel surveillance tapes proving that all of this was lies, this was not cause for immediate concern and suspicion to bring Joran, Deepak and Satish into the police station for immediate detainment and questioning?
      That’s supposed to look botched?

      If the horrible slanderous remarks made about Natalee were not criminal enough, along with all the violence she suffered at the hands of the murderous men who kidnapped her, raped her, drugged her and took her life away were not enough, add to this that these callous criminals were so focused on themselves that their depravity led them to steal her body from her loved ones, and deny them any burial of their precious child. And if all of that were not enough, now in death they would seek to rob this family of the ONLY THING that remains: NATALEE’S TRUTH.

      It is such a heinous disservice to suggest that anything about this travesty of justice was ever “botched”.

      The criminal conduct of insidious men with no sense of honor or integrity cannot crush this child’s truth.
      They cannot crush this child’s voice.

      And we will not allow these heartless criminals to take the ONLY THING LEFT that this child’s family has to hope for: NATALEE’S TRUTH, NATALEE’S JUSTICE.

      Beth never got to bring home her beautiful daughter’s battered body. Dave never got to bring home his precious child’s remains. They were robbed of their baby, and then robbed of her body. They were robbed of every sentiment of human empathy and compassion that one would hope for in suffering such a horrific loss as they suffered. They didn’t even get to bury their baby nor to ever bring her home again.

      All that is left for this family to hope for is this child’s TRUTH!
      Aruban ALE officials and judges sought to take even THAT away from this family.
      Beth and Dave never brought home their Natalee, they never carried their baby’s body back to the US.
      All they asked for was their baby’s truth – and even THAT is being taken from them.
      NO MORE LIES, ARUBA! Stop the lies we’ve been repeatedly told, and let this child’s voice rise up to speak her truth!


      LET BETH TWITTY AND DAVE HOLLOWAY BRING HOME NATALEE’S TRUTH! There is nothing more left for them to bring home, Aruba – EXCEPT THEIR CHILD’S TRUTH!


    11. mayan_moons on December 31st, 2006 2:03 pm

      You’re ramblings don’t make sense, you trying to give me the receipe? Keep it as i already know how to make bread.
      I lived in a small town at 13, i baked and sold bread. Made some killer Bear Claws too……have a couple.

    12. Scared Monkeys on December 31st, 2006 2:51 pm

      Pearl … just to let you know from our perspective … botched can be defined as intentional & purposely.

      ;) Red

    13. Joe Bear on December 31st, 2006 2:58 pm

      Pearl you are very correct.If Joe Wants to sue,sue me,I am spartecus or Pearl.

    14. Joe Bear on December 31st, 2006 3:00 pm

      Arubans,you need to do the overlords,what the French did.I think Anita would look good a head shorter.And the world would be a better place

    15. Desiree on December 31st, 2006 3:31 pm

      Oh god,and she looks already pretty short.Joe Bear you want to come to Aruba to help completing this job.

    16. Rammstein on December 31st, 2006 4:04 pm

      the bad economy is the result of years and years (since 1986) of bad government, too big a civil service and no balanced budget.

    17. joe bear on December 31st, 2006 4:04 pm

      I am banned from aruba,persona non grata.i do live near koen,maybe he needs a haircut.a joke.

    18. Scared Monkeys on December 31st, 2006 4:28 pm

      Ramm … I would have to disagree in a way.

      Yes they have had years of bad govt, nepotism and cronyism. However, it was not until their economy was devastated after the Natalee Holloway disappearance. That was the lynch pin. The loss of revenue is what made all the other bad govt decisions so apparent.


    19. Scared Monkeys on December 31st, 2006 4:30 pm

      Dana Pretzer is on a radio program LIVE right now …


    20. just moma on December 31st, 2006 8:48 pm

      Keep up the good work! Justice for Natalee in 2007!

    21. tellthetruth on December 31st, 2006 9:54 pm

      #10: You hit the spot on why I don’t trust Greta & Co. of Fox News as well as other media outlets. She consistently refers to the case as a “botched investigation.” With the facts clear as they now are, she of all people should know that this case was not “botched” at all. What could her motive/incentive possibly be to use these terms? It seems as though they (media) are trying to soften Aruba’s obvious corruption?


    22. Pearl on December 31st, 2006 10:14 pm

      Happy new year, Red! Best wishes to you and all the scared monkeys who honor Natalee Holloway’s truth!

      Yes, Red. Americans do indeed see the actions of the Aruban ALE as purposeful and intentional, particularly when it came to protecting Joran and his father, and all their friends. And the same Aruban ALE conduct that sought to protect those who savagely murdered Natalee and violated her human rights, also sought to purposefully and intentionally bury Natalee’s truth.

      How else can anyone explain ALE “tactical decisions” that suggested that by allowing three liars to roam about freely, while on a daily basis, they literally changed their stories and lies about dropping off a defenseless child, while destroying evidence – was somehow a “strategic plan” to “build up” a case that tellingly allowed all the prime suspects to eventually go free due to “lack of evidence”?

      How else can we explain all those “missing statements” that judges and attorneys mentioned that somehow never got explained as to HOW and WHY they went “missing”?

      How else can we explain a ‘process’ that takes TEN DAYS to finally arrest the men who took this child away, yet – there was one judge who sure knew what house to show up at and on WHAT DAY, and who didn’t seem to have any difficulty with delays in order to obstruct the collection of evidence when it came to searching the entire Van der Sloot property. Then again, the Van der Sloot house was the very last of all the houses to be searched even though Joran was the very last person to be seen with Natalee which would mandate he be the first to be questioned and detained, searched and interrogated.

      It is telling how the same family benefitted from the delays, the missing statements, and then magically had so much in place on the very day needed when the big property “search” took place – when such a search should have taken place unannounced, and immediately, since police knew Joran and the Kalpoes were telling nothing but lies to police.

      Yet, Joran benefited from a ten day delay in his arrest, his father benefited from an even longer delay, and their house was the only house not subjected to a full search, the last house searched, which also happened to have on hand – a judge making rulings right on the spot to obstruct the scope of the full search that was ordered, just so that evidence could NOT be collected.

      It always struck me as telling how it took ten days for the ALE to show up and finally arrest the men who took Natalee away and who lied about returning her to her hotel,- yet, it took no time at all, and perhaps indicates some “inside information being passed” as Paulus seemed to have everything in place that he needed for a carefully executed OBSTRUCTION to a FULL house search – on the very day that he needed it.

      One would think that a search of a suspects property should be unannounced and carried out immediately, ( since Natalee never got back to her hotel and Police knew this immediately), a search that should have been executed immediately (not 17 days late after Paulus got his judge friend lined up) – particularly since Mr. R. Croes is now very interested in studying what role integrity might play in the expeditious handling of criminal cases.

      How else can we explain an ALE that not only doesn’t bother to check Deepak’s car that was right in front of them on May 31 at 3 AM in the morning, – the car that took Natalee away for what appears now to be – forever, but an ALE that then proceeds to allow that car to roam under the hands of its’ owner, for days on end until, finally the public is so enraged that instead of arresting the very men who took Natalee away permanently, the ALE instead chooses to arrest two innocent Black men who become targets themselves, much the same as Natalee was targeted, except these Black men were fortunate enough to have someone honorable near by, who stood up for them and acted on their behalf – unlike Natalee who was savagely tormented by men with no honor nor any conscience, – men who turned their backs on her cries for help and who somehow could then go sleep in their beds after the brutal beating they inflicted upon this defenseless little girl whom they all worked together to gang up on.

      And after raping her, what did they do next? Why, they needed to take care of themselves, so they murdered her and then stole her body from her family, while desecrating this child’s body over and over again as told by Gerold Dompig who described this heinous conduct as “re-burying” – something, that I’m sure Gerold Dompig, nor any Aruban family would ever want to hear of as being done to one their precious children!

      The honor and integrity that brought forth the release of the two falsely detained security guards came from Beth Twitty.

      It was Beth Twitty who advocated for the release of John and Jones. It seems that honor and good conscience was indeed being demonstrated by a mother whose heart was so painfully torn into pieces. And yet, this mother found it within her heart to feel a sense of human kindness, compassion and moral decency for two falsely accused innocent men, and to speak out on their behalf, even while suffering the agonizing pain and sorrow of having her child taken from her and not knowing what was done to her baby, or where she was taken.

      What a pity that the men who took Natalee from Beth could not find it in their hearts to do the same for Beth and for Natalee, as Beth did for John and Jones ( act with honor, act with integrity) – but that would take honor, that would take integrity and a good conscience, something these criminals never had and apparently don’t seem to value.

      The injustices inflicted upon Natalee and her family are many, as men entrusted with acting in good faith to protect Natalee’s truth and honor her truth, chose instead to lie to this broken hearted mother on a daily basis.

      What kind of a man looks the mother of a missing child in the eye, and tells her that the suspects questioned were found to be ‘consistent’ in their statements, while knowing full well that they viciously lied about what they did to this mother’s child?

      As more Americans learn the truth of what was done to Natalee Holloway, Aruba will no longer be able to suggest that bungling, mistakes, mis-handling or faulty procedures were somehow the cause of this wretched cruelty inflicted upon Natalee’s family.

      You are so very right indeed, Red.
      These actions of cruelty and savagery inflicted upon this child and her family were purposeful, intentional and they were pre-meditated.


      This heartless cruelty will become a scourge upon Aruba forever. There is no going back, no turning back the clock for Natalee Holloway or for her family.
      There are only days of horrifying emptiness that lie ahead in learning Natalee’s TRUTH of the savagery inflicted upon this beautiful child by such cruel,insidious men.

      We will continue to raise this child’s painful truth up for all the world to see so that everyone might come to know what Aruba’s version of “bungling” and “tactical investigation” truly meant for BETH TWITTY and DAVE HOLLOWAY, for NATALEE HOLLOWAY, and for her enitre family.

      What more could these cruel and heartless men want from this sorrowful family after all this family has suffered?

      Their child was taken away. All her hopes and dreams were crushed and eliminated.
      Their future with Natalee was obliterated.
      Her human rights were violated, and she was preyed upon by savages who maliciously hunted her for their slaughter.

      They stole her body, they desecrated her body, they tormented this family, they trampled on this beautiful girls good name, and then with depraved indifference, they robbed this family from any means of honoring their precious baby by denying them the return of Natalee’s body, by denying these parents their right to bring home their child’s remains!

      They denied Natalee and this family of their right to carry out their rituals to honor Natalee and bury her in her homeland, with human dignity.

      The conduct of these criminals is so savage and cruel it is unthinkable that any man could behave with such savage indifference as these hardened criminals have behaved while inflicting such torture, cruelty and suffering on Natalee and on her family.

      Keep Natalee’s hope alive, Red!

      This child deserves to come home to her family, and be honored, celebrated and remembered for the beauty she brought into this world and for the great courage with which she fought back against these savage men who had neither the honor, the integrity nor the simple human kindness to treat her with any sense of moral decency, kindness, or compassion.

      The cruelty and savage acts of these criminals and all those who purposefully and willfully obstructed this child’s truth and justice, will forever define Aruba.

      And the voice of this child will hover over that island for eternity as her story is told and re-told over and over again.

      Hope is all this family has left, and hope they will – as we will Red, that someone with honor and integrity and a shred of human decency will rise up with this child and HONOR her truth.

      Let the scared monkeys and all those who honor this child’s truth, become the ‘yeast’ in this battle for Natalee Holloway’s truth!


      Honor Natalee Holloway by honoring her truth.

      Keep the hope for Natalee alive, Red!

      Justice for Natalee Holloway!
      Justice for Natalee Holloway!
      Justice for Natlaee Holloway!

    23. tellthetruth on December 31st, 2006 10:45 pm

      To all with an opinion: I would really like to know what you think of the media’s coverage/motive in this case. Do you really think they are trying to find justice for Natalee? At first I thought it was just Greta, but it seems that every time I turn on one of the three channels, Joe Taco is being interviewed. Why would they choose an attorney who has motives other than trying to find justice for Natalee to speak time and time again? I really don’t understand. Plus, why do they never have a counter-opinion or ask any challenging questions? Are they trying to protect Aruba’s image? Me thinks so…

    24. weasel on December 31st, 2006 10:49 pm

      today white bread.
      tomorrow bread.

    25. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2007 12:19 am

      Aruba keep burning
      all of your resources
      on denying Nat justice…

      Yep, youze guys are GEN-YOO-WINE

      Real smart expectorating on your biggest
      EX-CUSTOMERS (tourists) 75 – 80% of
      your business.

      Your odds are looking
      very grim at this point.

      They are stacked against you!

      for things to get worse…

      lots worse, I think.


      Beaucoup Dinky Dau, BABY!!!!!!


      Mad as frikken’ hatters,
      the whole lot of yas.

      WooHooOOO Lie – Rooba!

      Natalee Computer Wallpaper


      SM:   Happy New Year Carpe – we are dancing in the “cage” ;)   :)

    26. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2007 12:37 am


      Good one, that is beautious.

      IT’S HAMMA TIME!!!!

      * I wonder if MC HAMMER PANTS
      will ever be back in style again? lol

    27. arubagirl on January 1st, 2007 12:54 am

      I agree with Rammstein to a certain extent, but I think that our spiraling national debt is also the reason why the government needed more funds. And the spiraling debt really did not start on May 30th, 2005.

    28. arubagirl on January 1st, 2007 12:54 am

      Ooh, sorry, happy new year.


      SM:     Happy New Year to you too Arubagirl! (klaasend)

    29. Patti on January 1st, 2007 3:08 am

      Pearl #22: Happy New Year!!!

      Natalee’s Truth is going to raise up sooooo high that the whole world will see, if that’s what it takes. Nobody is giving up. Her very soul is crying to us all and we will help in any way we can.

      Justice for Natalee

      Truth for Natalee

      Dignity for Natalee


      Happy New Year to the Holloways and the Twittys…

      May God keep you in His strength and when you feel weak,
      He will carry you.

      People are ready to talk and when they do,
      the Whole World will listen.
      Natalee’s Truth be known.


      God Bless the Scared Monkeys for putting up with all the b.s. and for being patient with all of us. Your endurance is to be commended, but we all know why you do it; and that is for the love.

      Natalee is a very lucky girl to have so many that truly care for her. May she rest in peace.

    30. msmarple on January 1st, 2007 3:16 am

      arubagirl – nice to see you, and Happy New Year to you too!

    31. downloadingd on January 1st, 2007 5:07 am

      Your post brought tears to my eyes, you summed things up beautifully, Thank You!

    32. vicki on January 1st, 2007 8:24 am

      This whole thing is just so sad. NO WHITE BREAD? It really hurts me that the ppl in charge wont change their minds and give us back Natalee. They know who made the decision to keep her hidden. Just tell us what happened. Give Natalee her justice. We will not go away. Dont you understand?

    33. Richard on January 1st, 2007 10:24 am

      Happy New Year, everyone. I hope that your holidays went well … I visited Denver, and managed to get in and out without problems, other than a bumpy ride. Where I was, we had about two feet of snow the day before I left.

      I don’t ski, but if I did, Colorado would be the place to go. My state of Vermont needs the money, but tough.

      Anyway, let’s do what we can to make this year the time when we get answers in the Natalee Holloway case, and a full measure of justice for anyone involved in her disappearance.

      The more effort we put into this, I think, the more light will be shined on the real morass that is the Caribbean.

    34. Richard on January 1st, 2007 10:26 am

      The Aruban economy is crumbling, the police acknowledge their own ineptness, and the bakers can’t provide bread.

      What sane person would WANT to go to Aruba?

    35. arubagirl on January 1st, 2007 12:09 pm

      Dear Richard,

      They can. They just won’t. It’s not as if all white bread baking skills just disappeared. And, hey, like someone said, whole wheat bread is healthier anyway. :-)

    36. Kat_Gram on January 1st, 2007 12:21 pm

      Pearl … If there is a court case, your post is the summation to the jury ! ! ! !
      How eloquent you are .
      Happy New Year Pearl

    37. Mortella on January 1st, 2007 3:34 pm

      The Arubans themselves reported only a 74.4% occupancy average in the hotels. Given their past history, I would tend to think even this is inflated.

      So posters from Aruba are saying this does not hurt the economy? And the hotels are booked solid? Time to re-double out efforts then.

      Yes, I agree that the government has played fast and loose with the money there and there was trouble brewing already but to claim this boycott doesn’t hurt at all I think is a part of the problem. Denial that there even is a boycott first and now denial that it has any impact at all.

      This is exactly how this case was handled. Deny there even was a crime, etc. Seems to be a very bad habit of denial in Aruba.

      Someone is not telling the truth here. Either the report by AHATA and the central bank published and posted right on this blog is lying and there is not 70% occupancy or those claiming the hotels are all booked are. It can’t be both. And frankly, I believe a 70% occupancy rate has to hurt.

      Isn’t this supposed to be the busy season anyway? Not very busy it seems. Desireee, can you give a source for the rooms all being booked? Just go back a couple of pages here and there the official report saying 74% occupancy. Either it is a lie or you are not telling the truth. How would you know better than the hotels themselves who reported this? Do you audit their books?

      But you heard them, Monkeys. Boycott doing nothing. I got another fifty $1 today, time to start writing JUSTICE FOR NATALEE/BOYCOTT ARUBA on all of them. Write your new congress critters and see if we can get some help with this. Some will be new to the office and more inclined to help. If a lot of people write to them they will realize how important it is to render assistance to Natalee’s family in light of the treatment they have received at the hands of a foreign government.

      Arubagirl, Happy New Year!! May 2007 bring Justice for Natalee and return peace to your Island.

    38. dennisintn on January 1st, 2007 3:52 pm

      lie and deny. very important things for an aruban official to be able to do. lie to your constituents or they vote you out of office. lie to the tourists or they don’t spend their money there. lay the blame for your problems on a family looking for their daughter’s remains and justice for her. the quicker they can make beth and family go away, the quicker they can get back to their graft and corruption schemes.

    39. Crioyo (in aruba) on January 1st, 2007 6:24 pm

      Happy New Year everybody!
      I think bad governance is part of the old generation of politicians. Once Booshi, Nel, Rudy &

    40. Crioyo (in aruba) on January 1st, 2007 6:26 pm

      the other older ones are gone things might start looking up.

    41. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2007 6:43 pm

      Heyyyy -ROOB-UH-

      Until you get justice for Natalee Ann…

      You gets none!!!! eck eck eck yeck yeckkkk – Popeye


      Hey Richard, welcome back from
      your vacation!

    42. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2007 6:46 pm

      AND NOW – for a REAL News Year’s miracle:

      Watch while I teach this rusty twizzler how

      to do execute a jumping jack. ;-)


    43. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 7:10 pm

      Nothing is going to look up for Aruba as long as ya let you’re goon boys stalk the tourists.

    44. driving miss daisy on January 1st, 2007 7:17 pm

      I see all the Aruban oracles are out defending their decline today, as always, Arubagirl and Ramstein (a poseur of the first order), pretending that Aruba’s declining economy happened prior to May 2005, way back to 1986. No dear ones, Americans were pouring money into your island in 1986. I now that for a FACT. But if what you state is so, Arubans, then why were you not there in order to support finding Natalee, in order to prevent any further decline? Because you know that this is not true and you know you are merely the mouthpieces of AHATA.

      On occasion I come here just to see what is being lied about today! Arubans gave up nuanced finesse of trying to fool us into believng their economy was fine and Natalee was no problem, that accommodations were filled up to the brim and no room at the inn for ugly Americans, but they just flatout blantantly boldfacely lie

    45. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 7:25 pm

      Happy New Year Richard!

      Glad ya had a nice holiday & that you’re back!

    46. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 7:53 pm

      Happy New Years to Mortella & Kat & dennisintn!

      You too DMD!

      I enjoy you’re comments & hope to see more again!

    47. Richard on January 1st, 2007 9:32 pm

      Thanks, folks … and I still say that with all the damage being done to the Aruban economy, something bigger than we suspect is involved. My thoughts haven’t changed.

      So how can we get our government to START taking an interest?

    48. MF on January 1st, 2007 9:48 pm

      Poor Driving Ms. Daisy…. just like others wanted us to believe things that were not true? And I imagine you do still believe in them….

      The last time there was a decline in Aruba’s economy was in 2001-2002.

    49. Katablog on January 1st, 2007 10:03 pm

      I agree that Aruba has had a corrupt government for many years. I agree that life wasn’t great in Aruba for Arubans before Natalee disappeared.

      However, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and Americans feelings about how the investigation was handled has indeed affected Aruba’s economy. Aruba tourism people wouldn’t be paying millions in advertisement to a New York ad agency just because everything was fine with tourism in Aruba.

      So lie and tell us how wonderful tourism is when we know better. Deny the numbers that your own government gives out. Do you think that will have us wise enough about Aruba to come flocking in? Never!

      I also agree with Pearl. To say the investigation in Natalee’s disappearance was “botched” really softens what actually happened. There HAD to be pay offs. There HAD to be a cover up. There’s just too much including Dompig having a witness who turned out to be his brother-in-law to say Natalee had drugs. Someone’s confession disappears, evidence turned in by Art Woods never makes it to a crime lab, on and on and on. No, it’ not inept police work, it’s a full blown cover up.

      Lastly I agree with those who are against the violence mentioned from time to time on this board and others. There simply is no reason for violence and it only makes these Americans look like the thugs that killed and raped Natalee.

      Yes, we are angry. Yes, we want the thugs to pay for their crimes. But remember: “Justice is mine sayeth the Lord.” Their justice is coming, count on it.

    50. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 10:56 pm


      It drives me up the wall when someone… Greta & her guests saying it was botched. I knew it wasn’t botched coz the police demonstrated a working knowledge of evidence gathering & proper searches with the security guards then turned into Barney Fife when it came to the Sloots.

    51. nychic on January 1st, 2007 11:01 pm

      poor MF
      (I assume your initials are short for….oh-nevermind)

      can’t afford to get your hate site back up ?
      AHATA out of cash ?
      what a shame -

    52. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:02 pm

      And they were NEVER called on it by the media or by any of our government officials.

    53. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:15 pm

      lol nychic! Hope ya had a great holiday!

    54. Patti on January 1st, 2007 11:25 pm


      Sweetie don’t worry about Greta, everybody knows that she’s an egomaniac. She wants to be the world’s greatest legal wonder of the world. She is glaring (?!?!?!!!) through a very narrow looking glass at the law. She doesn’t EVER want to be wrong, so she doesn’t take any chances. Besides, if her career in t.v. doesn’t work out, she wants to write or teach law at a University. She is in love with the law, not with people. She, quite frankly, couldn’t care less.

      Incedently: Her T.V. career does not look all that promising. Soon, she, too, will be just another face that we try our hardest to forget. Atleast, I do.

      I think she might be a man trapped in a woman’s body!!!

      (just kidding)

    55. nychic on January 1st, 2007 11:27 pm

      mayan -

      Remember Karin Jansen’s Famous Words
      When Referring To The Arrests of J2K:

      “We Can’t Just Go In There Like Cowboys”

      Which Is EXACTLY What They Did At The
      Houses of Both Security Guards !

    56. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:39 pm

      You know they did nychic! I just wish i could’ve been there to laugh in their faces when they pronounced the blood on the mattress as “Dog Blood”.

    57. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:42 pm

      haha “go in like Cowboys” Naw Karin Jansen(sp) Go in there like a SLOTH with RA instead.

    58. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:46 pm

      I wasn’t to keen with greta during the SP trial either. But her saying what she did about being inclined to believe him still makes every hair stand on end.

    59. Patti on January 1st, 2007 11:49 pm

      But, I did want to make a point out of that:

      Many of our laws, in this country, were written in a time that no longer applies. For instance, I was cruising (?)… actually more like putt-ing through the internet and found out that the State Department has done a bunch of studies on alert levels for just about each country in the world. These security levels were all based on the number of human-trafficing cases reported, how bad the problem was in the area and the types of slavery that were being inflicted upon these people. They are also rating them based on the laws that they have on their books, as a country, to combat these crimes.

      Many of our laws need to be rewritten, in order to keep up with the times; and according to these reports, which are updated periodically, the United States is very interested in making a stand for civil liberties and freedom.

      Wouldn’t that be nice. The problem is that they have their heads so heavily in this war and trying to keep track of our servicemen as well as U.S. citizens working abroad, they haven’t found the time.

      Perhaps we should try to step things up. Now would be the time to do it as they are very concerned, and rightly so, about the number of people that are being kidnapped, tortured and murdered in Iraq… both military and non-military. Besides, The People are concerned as well. A bill would carry alot of weight with the American People.

      Greta wants to interpret law, let’s give her some to gnaw those monster-sized geisers on. Perhaps, then, she will stand up against crime against women.

    60. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:52 pm

      Richard i’ve been pondering your question above about what are we going to do. I’m going to send out more snail mail and i’m writing Laura Bush too. I like her…..i’m going to make a plea that she whisper in Condi’s ear orrr something. This being the last term maybe Laura can grease some wheels.

    61. mayan_moons on January 1st, 2007 11:56 pm

      At the very least issue a travel warning for crying OUTLOUD.

    62. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 12:00 am

      Natalee Wallpapers
      for your computer


    63. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 12:10 am

      Hey Carpe!

      Remember that person you thought was in pigtails near the ponds edge we discussed? I see that same face at the Rocks areas

    64. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 12:19 am


      There was a post a couple days ago about the time-line. Do you know if there is any proof that k2poke took Natalee to Joran’s apartment? I think that they hung out with the car on the beach.

      I also think that there is a covey under the concrete of Joran’s house, but I don’t think that Natalee is there. She was at his secret garden. The one the police painted over. I wonder, how many planes were flying looooow that day? Smart move… moving rocks.

    65. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 12:30 am

      I remember that face!!! The one that was an islander. She was looking to the left and behind her. HORRIBLE!!!

    66. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 12:37 am

      Hey nowwww…

      Don’t be hatin’ on Greta-Mule!!! Like Virginia
      Slim cigarettes

      “She’s Come A Long Way Baby.” ;-)

      See for yourself:

      Myan, I sure do remember… can you
      give me a loc. on it? I wanna look for
      it. -J4N

    67. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 12:39 am

      Theres a reason papa-sweat didn’t want his house searched.

      She was there.

    68. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 12:43 am

      LOL CARPE!

      I love your term of endearment for Greta


      Good Call!

    69. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 12:46 am

      hahaha i like your latest too

      Sporter : Hey greta-mule…..i’m just a lying sack of $hit

    70. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 12:51 am

      okies i’m looking

      just saw it a few hours ago!

    71. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 12:54 am


      Yep! That’s the Greta we have all come to love!?!?!??????

      Too bad, she didn’t get it. We were supposed to be women, concerned with women’s issues… not a woman cookie-cut to act like a man. Carpe, I’m sure that you would agree that women like a little spice in their lives… you know emotion. She’s too boring for my taste.

      Come on, Greta, tell us you love us and mean it.

      No response.

    72. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:10 am

      Carpe……you got mail!

      zooooom in….i outlined in blue

    73. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 1:12 am


      IMO “Judge in Training” Van Der Sweat had ALOT to hide… not just Natalee. The mattress was a decoy… probably from their house. I don’t think that she was there, but that’s okay, I may be wrong. A covey often is a dumping place anyway. It’s just that he seemed to be so organized in that garden. I think that he spent many empty hours there looking into those faces… trophies. He is one SICK you know what, you know that, right? I think that he had a bench in the garden and I think that it was secluded on all sides. Very difficult to spot.

    74. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 1:13 am

      Heavy foot traffic on Tara Beach today!

      …but hey, don’t take my word for it.

      See for yourself.


    75. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:17 am

      Joran’s secret garden eh? Interesting choice of words.

    76. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:23 am

      “he has alot to hide not just Natalee”

      I concur on that.

    77. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 1:24 am


      Has anyone else used those words?

    78. arubagirl on January 2nd, 2007 1:25 am


      Yes, dear, Americans were investing in Aruba in 1986, as they are now, but see, if the government mismanages the funds available (and let me tell you, that REALLY started before May 2005), the funds will run out and our lovely (HA!)leaders want more money. And this sales tax thing is nothing new. MEP tried to come with it at least once before back in 1993.

    79. nychic on January 2nd, 2007 1:28 am

      I Am Still A Fan Of Greta

      Here Is Why:

      Until Beth Says Otherwise – I Think She & Greta Are
      Still Very Close And Speak About The Case More Than
      We Realize – Remember Greta Was The Only Reporter
      Beth Invited To Her House For An Interview -

      I Seriously Feel Like Many Mis-Interpret Greta’s
      Style Of Reporting – And She Has Never Stopped
      Following The Case -

      Greta Was Right There With Beth In NY During The
      Civil Trial And Greta Has Always Had Updates On
      Her Blog About Natalee -

      Just Watch Greta’s Interview With Joran – Her Questions
      Were Very Well Phrased – Many Things Were Revealed In
      That Interview – I Only Hope That She Will Get Him
      To Sit Down For Another – Maybe With Taco –
      They Can Have A Huge Meltdown Together !
      Now That Would Be Some Excellent TV !

    80. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:29 am

      There is another case that really troubles me, its a young black honor student in New York who was found in a couple of trash bags practically right in front of her house. She had not been sexually assaulted they said. Just heard they do have something they are keeping close to the vest. I hope the find that POS who did that to her.

    81. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 1:35 am

      You know that is what many psychopaths do? They like to go back and visit with the dead. The way those bodies are arranged, the ones that had been there for a while, that’s hat they do. They are obsessed (sp) with death. We don’t have a chance against them. If one sets his sights on you, you don’t have a prayer. They’ll get ya.

      Any news about the reporter? You know that I had been writing about the case in San Fran. I get a little worried about the HA’s. They don’t take too lightly to people exposing them. I worry, sometimes, about my safety.

      Did you want me to look at the picture?

    82. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:38 am

      wonder what greta-mule’s hubby looks like

    83. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 1:44 am

      New York!!!

      Greta is good friends with Kelly. I think that he trusts her. She does know her law and he can probably relate to her better than we do. He has the kindest eyes. I don’t think that he would steer anyone wrong.

      I was kinda surprised about their resulting friendship after the O.J. Simpson case… but I think that they may have known eachother from before. I didn’t like her at all in that trial. Maybe I’m biased toward the victim too much.

    84. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:48 am

      No Patti just you used those words. but the sitting on a bench part is alittle out there.

    85. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 1:57 am

      Okay ya got me on that nychic. Before she said that about inclined to believe i was & still am glad greta did all that she could for months & months on end.

    86. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 2:01 am

      Yes Patti tell us about it.

    87. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 2:07 am

      Yeah Patti i know all about how some killers revisit the body of whom they murdered.

    88. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 2:09 am

      That would be Must See Tv nychic!

    89. nychic on January 2nd, 2007 2:31 am


      can you just picture it ?

      Taco tell Jipshit To STFU – Then A Slap Fight Breaks Out
      Renfro steps in out of nowhere – hair is flying everywhere

      as I said – until Beth declares otherwise -
      I am inclined to believe Greta will continue with
      the case as long as her producers will allow coverage -

    90. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 2:48 am


      When I first viewed the pictures, I saw, in my mind’s eye a bench. Then, when I saw the latest pictures of the leg, there was a bench, right there for us all to see.

      I’m getting really tired.

      Carpe: (I think he may be passed out) Good-night.

    91. nychic on January 2nd, 2007 3:22 am


      I did not see that story ?
      There Was A Newborn Baby Found In Trash Bags
      In New Jersey Recently ? Still In Critical Condition -
      Why Someone Would Do That – I Will Never Understand ?

    92. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 6:59 am

      47-Richard, I am going to call the state dept today and see what it is we need to do to get them to get a travel advisory for LIERUBA. This whole thing is so sickening. I will let you all know what I can find out. World j has a timeline that he posted on BFN. also their is a crime on lieruba list…Since 2005 someone has been keeping track of all the deaths…and suposed suicides[murders]. Maybe that will work.Mayan, please be careful with PATTI, not to sure yet, but they sound like greatmal,kelmel or johnm…

    93. stpaulus on January 2nd, 2007 10:00 am

      So how can we get our government to START taking an interest?

      Comment by Richard | January 1, 2007, 9:32 pm

      First – get Condi Rice to abandon NATO as 40% of the NATO troops replacing US troopps in Afghanistan are Dutch. Oh yeah genius delay a further Dutch involvement like you did the last one.

      OH and take back the added 114 million US contract with DYNA corp to improve the US FOL on Aruba.

      Rice is going to convert to the Natalee religion and dump relations that help the US.

      Sure she will.

    94. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 10:21 am

      well anyway, maybe it was me…here is the info for anyone that wants to call…go to the only person that can order a travel advisory is the @ the US EMBASSY and our rep is Shirley Crawford[i think that is her last name,couldnt really hear the lady right]. Her direct line is 202-736-9090, however there is noone there today because of President Ford funeral….The other number for tomorrow if you want to call is 1-888-407-4747. I am going to look her up on the Web… The 888 number is where the operator will transfer you to the US Embassy.
      Please evryone call her.Tell her about the murders..and supposed suicides.

    95. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 10:52 am

      Just a quick programming footnote -

      Tonight On COPS Oranjestad:

      Dutch Boy, Dutch Boy, What You Gonna Do?

      What you gonna do when they come for you?

      Boycott Aruba 2007!


    96. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 10:55 am

      Email to Robert Sorenson is @ ACSCURACAO@STATE.GOV. you know I have spent 2 hours trying to get help. Can you imagine if your child was missing on Aruba? There is no help….what a freakin way for us to live. We are so niave. Check out how to get help in case you or a loved one goes missing BEFORE you travel to any country outside the USA. The reason there is no travel advisory is because our rep over there has to call for it. What are the odds of that happening…slim to none.

    97. super dave on January 2nd, 2007 11:13 am


    98. Miss-Underestimated on January 2nd, 2007 11:30 am


    99. Miss-Underestimated on January 2nd, 2007 11:36 am

      Happy New Year, I’ve had problems posting on this site.
      But wish all of the good posters here a HAPPY NEW YEAR, Thanks to Red, Tom, Klass and Dana
      Let’s hope we see this year that Natalee is found and brought home.

      1906 I hope you’re doing well.

    100. Sharon Chicago on January 2nd, 2007 12:47 pm

      Happy New Year everyone…Thanks Red, Tom, Klass & Dana…I am believing that the killers will be tried and found guilty of Natalee’s death this year!

    101. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 1:45 pm

      here here i stand with you on that belief, sharon…

    102. Miss-Underestimated on January 2nd, 2007 2:15 pm

      How bout a SAND-WHICH, Aruba?

    103. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 2:30 pm

      Has anyone read satishs statement on the forum or at BFN. On june 13th he states that he woke up the next morning and asked his brother”HOWS THE GIRL”???? are you telling me after that statement they wouldnt charge them….Their whole story stinks and there are actually ppl at BFN that still think that the MB students have something to do with Natalee missing…sick sick sick.

    104. Miss-Underestimated on January 2nd, 2007 2:54 pm

      Yep Vicki, why would he ask “hows the girl, unless something happened? Put it all together with
      “no body no case”
      “your own father”
      “I will laugh if they find the girl alive”


      Then the ALE covers is all up..
      Perfuming the big fat pig(s).

      Vicki, by the others stating about the MB students, it is called distraction,,,,to distract those who read from the real events of the night. To those who question the MB students. The last persons seen with Natalee were the 3 suspects, Satishi, Deepickle and Juran….There were never any sighting of Natalee since that point. Plain and simple, stop lying and distracting, it hasn’t and won’t work. Did Freddy borrow Anita’s camera?

    105. Roy on January 2nd, 2007 3:12 pm

      103: I’m not so sure that most at BFN would think the MB kids had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance. A few “jerks” sure, but it just seems more to me a credible inquiry for info that some MB kids may have. The info out of MB, not to mention the FBI, has been selective. For what purpose, I could think of a few. IE, Iffn Natalee’s abduction was pre-meditated, then how far in advance??? Were MB kids questioned about Natalee or members of her family, most notably, her mom…Deepak seemed to think that Beth had been underestimated when questioned by her at his work….so the question for me becomes, when did this act of pre-meditation begin? One or more of the MB kids may know something…Could’ve been the Twitty boys who were unbeknownst to them, queried about their family on an earlier trip to Aruba….who knows for sure… the FBI is not saying…certainly no one in Aruba is but Deepak seems keenly aware of it as may Karin Jannsen who who seemed to think it important to inquire of Beth’s geniology.

    106. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 3:20 pm

      miss u, i know and when I tried to speak up I was shot down. What sick ppl over there.Maybe not all, but the ones that control the Island,they are sick.can you imagine just killing innocent ppl and disgarding their bodies in the rocks??? I am so heartbroken that an Island that appears to be so beautiful on the outside can hold such EVIL. Just plain EVIL. No amount of money will change that.ODEBER was it worth it???

    107. Miss-Underestimated on January 2nd, 2007 3:45 pm

      As Mama Kalpole said, they lie, even the big people.
      That was the only truth out of her mouth.

      Aruban ALE, one day you found a deceased Natalee and then the next day, well, that was an error?

      The events that led up to Aruba proclaiming that the body of Natalee Holloway was found were not an error, there were many events that led to the statement. All of those people lied?

    108. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 4:14 pm

      105-Roy,are you gonna believe anything that comes out of deepak or Karins mouth.OMG come on now…deepak asked his brother to LIE for him???for what purpose if they dropped Urine and Nat off at the beach. Why not just say that??? Good old boys network? could be but urine and deepak dont seem to HANG OUT persay…just so many LIES…and that sewer mouth karin the witch… speaking of Beth like that…HITLER has been gone for quite a while… what was Beth , his unborn sister after he died!!! Read over all testimony. Even papasweat couldnt REMEMBER anything except that what Natalee told his son…wow does that make sense
      OK MISS U!!!I see what you mean.WHEW

    109. Sharon Chicago on January 2nd, 2007 4:40 pm

      THEY ARE ALL LIARS…a way of life for them. Joran the sporter sciopath who breaths in and exhales lies, and then the 2 Kalpoe rats who do the same thing…

      I think their house of cards is about to fall down on them!!

      Wondering what the latest is in Holland and their investigations…LOTS going on behind the scenes. The perps should be very edgy by now with their nerves on end.

      It is only a matter of time!

    110. Richard on January 2nd, 2007 4:45 pm

      Vicki, thanks for posting that information. Whatever we think of the apparent change in power in Congress, this might … MIGHT … present an opportunity to make some new strides in the case. Or, at least, a chance for some people in Congress to sound off, whether or no they plan to take action.

      More than a year and a half since an American citizen vanishes on an island the size of Aruba. The family gets nothing but lies from the Aruban government, which is never held accountable for anything it does, doesn’t do, or promises to do on Tuesday and neglects to do on Wednesday.

      The Dutch come, pick up some paperwork, go home, and say they’ll review things.

      What in HELL (pardon the language) does this apparent studied negligence show the world about the importance of an American citizen? Granted, we can’t take unilateral action on the island itself … but it seems that Washington won’t even use the considerable leverage that it has.

      I’ve suspected all along that the priority there is in rounding up any two-bit Caribbean bunch of thugs that call themselves a government and lavishing them with money … so they will be our stalking horse against Chavez.

      But at what point will we do what we can to protect our own people? Isn’t our current stance just a shrug of the shoulders, in effect? What conclusions will the predators draw from this?

      And again … with so much time passing and so many lies, it seems to me that people bigger than a bunch of juvenile punks like the Three Stooges are involved somewhere.

    111. Richard on January 2nd, 2007 4:47 pm

      Vicki, who is this Robert Sorensen guy you mention above?

    112. Desiree on January 2nd, 2007 4:54 pm

      You are right. A lot is going on behind the scene.
      Can’t believe it’s 01-02 already.2007 will be an interesting year.

    113. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 4:59 pm

      Miss U:

      Yes, Mama Kalpoe was right. They do lie, especially the BIG ones.

      Joran is a murdering swine and his father, well, let’s just say that he is an expert in looking the other way. He knows about the ships… he also knows about the people. He put the pressure on and got them to dump her with all the nameless victims of human bondage and slavery. Talked to his son and cemented the area around the pool.

      Wonder what it’s like to find out your son is a psychopath? They need to request that he be returned to Aruba. That is most disturbing to me… what is he supposed to be doing there anyway? Why did they let HIM leave the island? I think Holland has some explainin’ to do.

      COVER-UP!!!!! Majorly biiiiG (!) COVER-UP!!!!

    114. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 5:22 pm

      AND… just for those that don’t know already, Holland is a major part of the exploitation of many women and children from Europe to the U.S. It has been investigated and arrests have been made. They call it prostitution and money laundering… but we all know what it really is.

      Hundreds of Thousands every year? Illegal immigration and transportation of Slaves? Believe it!

    115. Allan K on January 2nd, 2007 5:46 pm

      Aruba, Dutch, stop the deception and the ploys and bring Natalee’s case to closure. Natalee is missing, you have the suspects plus enough evidence at one time to convict. Don’t forget the confessions, I know you were not just going for a drive that day. As it is now the name Aruba just turns me to disgust. What will it take you to get this through your thick skulls to let Natalee go. We all know you have lied from the beginning. You only deceive yourselves and protect a murderer.

    116. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 6:00 pm

      Oh excuse me:

      The State Department estimates that there are between 600,000 to 800,000 people sold into slavery and sex slave operations per year. They estimate that 80% of them are women or girls.

      Here is an article that I shared with posters in regards to the San Francisco, torture chamber case. It pretty much describes the mode of operations and the danger of exposing them. BIG people with BIG money.

      My point: This is what Aruba is hiding.

    117. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 6:16 pm

      Don’t forget… we have major players of organized crime that run and operate that island in every form of government. Corruption, through and through. I wonder what all those businessmen, that make all those trips to Aruba several times a year, do for entertainment?

      I’m sorry if I offend anyone, but I just want you all to know what the world has REALLY come to.

      Holland: If you’re not part of the solution… you are part of the problem. We are not going away. We are not afraid to talk. The whole world is going to know what they did to Natalee, even if we have to be the ones to expose “all that shit”!

    118. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2007 6:34 pm

      Miss-U’s got her finger on the Aruban pulse and its not looking good. Seems aruban’s were told to hold their breath coz the Natalee Holloway case will be over in a couple of months. With each excuse & distraction only prolongs your financial death * demise. I don’t mind watching you flail and spinning your wheels coz you’re not going anywhere. But Down.

    119. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 6:41 pm

      Hey Richard:

      Happy New Year! I hope you enjoyed your trip to the Mile-High City. Beautiful.

      How are things going with the Gardner-Quinn case? Any new arrests? How about those other names I gave them, have they looked into that yet?

      I’m glad to see that you are still where your heart is: helping us all be aware of the dangers that lurk.

      Here’s the State Department Report that I posted about:

    120. vicki on January 2nd, 2007 7:06 pm

      unfortunatly[sp] PATTI, colin powell stepped down awhile ago. so now what???
      Richard, ROBERT E SORENSON IS OUR CONSAL GENERAL over in curacao.. and he is the one who declares if LIERUBA is safe for us to travel to… CAN U IMAGINE!!!! I cant even get ahold of him….I will try again tomorrow…call 202-736-9090… and just repot the crimes or call 1-888-407-4747 and ask WHAT IS BEING DONE… READ TO THEEM ABOUT ALL THE CRIMES BEING COMMITED ON THAT ISLAND…EVERYONE.. this is the time to do it….PLEASE

    121. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 7:30 pm

      The Kalpoes are lying maggot filth
      just like Freak-N-Stein and dear ole’ dad! IMHO

      CAT BOX 8OM8S… it just does not make sense.



      NADIRA: On the two Kalpoes and Natalee-

      “They don’t know nothing about her.
      Only they know that she was with Joran.

      ****She didn’t even introduce herself to them *******

      Source: Nadira Interview FOX NEWS


      Deepak Kalpone: ALE STATEMENT TO POLIS – 5.31.2005

      On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 01.05, I walked to my car
      to wait for Joran and my brother. Around 01.12 Satish and Joran
      came to my car. My brother sat beside me in the car and then in
      the mirror, I saw that Joran and the blonde girl that had been
      dancing on the stage, sat in the back seat. I greeted the girl
      in English *****and she greeted me in English.*******

      ****The girl did not introduce herself.******


      *comment- She did introduce herself by saying Hi. That qualifies!

      WTF were YOU expecting DIRT-PACK, 76 big
      trombones and a PARADE?

      Gimme A Break – Nell Carter


      Deepak Kalpone: ALE STATEMENT TO POLIS – 6.09,2005

      Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened.
      Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car
      and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car
      through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind
      me in the car.

      ***I greeted her. I said to her: “Hi” She greeted me
      back and had told me her name.******

      I immediately forgot her name.

      I had no problem with the fact that she was

      sitting in the car.

      *******It wasn’t the first time that I had girls
      in my car that were on vacation and dropped them off at hotels.******


      ( yeah, or on the beach, right Dee-Creep?)


      * In Satish’s statements he says they do this EVERY WEEKEND.

      He says they’re usually American girls.

      Here are your links to the

      DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT… please, plot it for yourself.

      Seeing really is believing, there’s no better substitute.

      Check out what these slimebags SAY they’re doing…

      and then match it up with what they REALLY are doing.

      The writing is on the wall, and

      it could not be any more clear.



      (Kalpoes ^ Van der Rapists)

      they have no souls, they have no conscience,

      They all should be in jail right now, just
      for the intentional sabotage of
      the investigation.

      Hey Karin Jansin, get off your fat lazy a$$
      and help this family right now, you old
      nasty WOMBAT.

      *** HOW CAN Van der Rapists & Kalpoes


      THEY’VE CAUSED Nat and her family.

      …and these drain pipe

      clogs have the brass set o’ door knockers

      to claim they KNOW THE REAL TRUTH, but CAN NOT TELL

      it today because it might hurt too

      many people.

      The Van der Rapists and the Kalpoe perps OF ARUBA…

      They A-R-E the real life reincarnation of


      boycott aruba
      Justice 4 Natalee!

    122. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 7:32 pm


      I am going to take a look at what I can do. I know Colin Powell still has his hat in the political arena. In fact, some say he is, still, more powerful than our own president. Colin would probably be happy to help if anybody knows how to contact him… he’s got clout. I am not that politically minded, but I think the place to start is with the State Department.

      Thank you so much for the information.

    123. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 8:08 pm

      73 – Patti

      I think that he had a bench in the garden and I think that it was secluded on all sides. Very difficult to spot.


      Does it say BLACK & DECKER on it?

      I have been looking around for a good garden
      bench. Used to be you could find ‘em

    124. nychic on January 2nd, 2007 8:08 pm

      note to klaasend:

      still waiting on the sm/boycott aruba design ?

      also – just yesterday I ordered a sm sweatshirt
      and now I see you have added some coffee & beer mugs
      what timing !

    125. Patti on January 2nd, 2007 8:13 pm

      Thanks, Carpe!

    126. nychic on January 2nd, 2007 8:24 pm

      Carpe -

      just don’t buy this one:

    127. Carpe Noctem on January 2nd, 2007 9:27 pm

      LOL… gotcha nychic,

      I’ll mark it off my TD list.


      Hey in this next piece, I wanted to insert
      Dennis Jacobs in the frame with da Sporter…

      …but I couldn’t find a Tu Tu big enough for him! Sooo

      We’re gonna have to swing by the store tomorrow and

      pick him up a ‘Twelve Twelve.’

      -J4N ;-)

    128. Betty on January 2nd, 2007 9:46 pm

      Does any one know what is going in the wrongful death suit that Beth and dave filed???? Since the Brothers filed in the states not Aruba Don’t they have to come to the states for this.They filed suits against Dr Phil and Beth And Dave?

    129. dennisintn on January 2nd, 2007 10:07 pm

      carpe, don’t they both look so good with their lipstick and pancake makeup on?

    130. mayan_moons on January 3rd, 2007 12:37 am

      Not that Aruban didn’t bicker amongst themselves before Natalee but with tourist revenue going down more each day there is nothing left to do but turn on eachother. The moneys gotta come from somewhere & raising taxes will be the easiest way to offset the financial blows Aruba’s been taking. Then business owners have to jack up the price of everything if they want to see a profit. Wonder what ya could get for a case of alpo there now?

    131. nychic on January 3rd, 2007 1:29 am

      Betty -

      We Are Waiting For The Rat Bros To Come Into The U.S.

      I’m Sure There Will Be A Very Long Receiving Line
      Very Anxious To Greet Them…

      I Would Like Them To Swing By Texas As Well – I Could
      Certainly Arrange A TX Style Welcome Party

      Or If They Prefer NYC – I Still Have That Friend Who
      Wanted To Take Joran On The Private Cruise Down The East River… The Rat-Face Kalpukes Would Be Just As Welcome

    132. ben on January 3rd, 2007 5:47 am

      Scaredmonkeys is the back bone of this case.And if you think about it, thats kind of sad, with all the media outlets Scaredmonkeys keeps this important story alive. BRAVO SCAREDMONKEYS …..

    133. Richard on January 3rd, 2007 6:43 am

      Patti (116-119), thanks for posting that article. I am very glad to see your thoughts; it has always seemed to me that being sold or handed over into the sex trade by a group that called themselves the “Pimps” is a very strong possibility.

      We see the extended and continued Aruba cover-up; is it likely that the few key players in the Aruban government are hunkering down and trying to ignore the condemnation they have received to protect a few punk kids? Unlikely.

      Is there anyone left who doesn’t think there is a cover-up of some kind? If so, they’re free to do so; yet it seems hard for me to imagine.

      So what are we left with, essentially? The notion of some greater crime … and as I’ve said before, Americans could easily understand the accidental death, or even the murder, of one tourist abroad IF THE POLICE TOOK ACTION. It happens in this country often enough. This would not make it right, of course, but it would be something that people could understand.

      And it would be seen as something that did not resonate any further than the deed itself; i.e., culprits arrested, punished, and to the extent that justice could be done, it would be done.

      But if Aruba let it be known that an American girl was abducted and casually sold or traded into sexual slavery … what hopes would they have for tourism? Not that I give a damn about their tourism or anything else about Aruba at this point. They have sown the wind, and I hope to God they reap the whirlwind.

      My point is, simply, that they don’t dare follow up on this because (a) they don’t know who else in their government is in league with drug traffickers, and (b) the ones who don’t know what happened probably are afraid of the truth.

      And as for your comments on San Francisco, remember that there was a credible report that Amy Bradley (who vanished in the Caribbean from a docked cruise ship in 1998, one night after being invited to Aruba’s Carlos ‘n’ Charlies by some crew members) was seen in captivity in San Francisco five years or so ago. I know of this because at the time I was living in Los Angeles and went to S.F. for the Bradleys to pass out posters and do what little I could.

      The woman who made the sighting remains alarmed for her safety. The reported sighting remains open.

      Also, Patti, as far as I know the Michelle Gardner-Quinn case is limited to the one suspect. The usual court machinations are continuing there. He ain’t getting off.

      Vicki (120), thanks for the clarification. I’m going to call this number today and try to contact Sorensen.

      Also, while flying to Denver I read about an organization called Apparently what they do is preserve Websites from around the world, or at least lots of places.

      I’m going to try to find out if they might have the infamous Joran van der Sloot Web site still in their records.

      You know, the one his father took down as soon as he was brought in by the Aruba police. So much for judicial ethics, right? A judge in training destroying potential evidence … one wonders what was posted there by JvdScum and the other “Pimps.”

    134. Richard on January 3rd, 2007 8:39 am

      Dear me! Here’s an article from today’s news, picked up in a casual search of the wires. The sheriff of a county in Georgia, USA, says he had no idea about the extent of enforced prostitution in his area.

      Little did he know that the innocent-looking massage parlors were, in fact, centers for forced prostitution.

      He had no idea that imported Asian women were held there against his will, or that some had escaped, been recaptured and returned to their “work.”

      My point is, of course, that human trafficking, which is ranked the second or third most lucrative criminal enterprise, right up there with arms sales and narcotics (the FBI has estimated human trafficking revenue worldwide at $9.5 billion a year), goes on everywhere. Or, at least, in one heck of a lot of places.

      And I think we all agree that U.S. law enforcement are, for the most part, relatively honest.

      But we can rest easy. We can be sure that when a young American girl disappears in a part of the world where drug trafficking and other smuggling is commonplace, where Mafioso run rampant, where American tourists are thought to be in a tropical paradise that is fun-filled and totally safe (even while the local police have no training, are miserably paid, and are on the take) … yes, even though this girl vanishes from sight in a few hours and there is no evidence of a crime scene … nothing like this can happen to her.

      Why not? Because, well, she’s American.

      N.B. I am not saying that this provides evidence that such a thing DID happen. Anyway, here’s the article.

      Sheriff: Massage Parlors Forced Women Into Prostitution
      POSTED: 4:49 pm EST January 2, 2007
      UPDATED: 6:29 pm EST January 2, 2007
      CLAYTON COUNTY — The Clayton County Sheriff says several massage parlors were not only fronts for prostitution, but also forced women new to this country to sell their bodies. Sheriff Victor Hill says one woman was a sex-slave for the last 4 years.

      When officers raided several spas in Clayton County, they arrested several people for acts of prostitution. Officers and the sheriff say they had no idea some of the women were sex slaves, forced to sell their bodies to stay in this country.

      “I think that it is an atrocity that it’s happening in Clayton County and I think it’s very, very sad that this went of for years and nothing was done about it,” said Sheriff Victor Hill.

      Sheriff Hill is personally appalled that immigrant women who came to this country for a better life were forced to be sex slaves at massage parlors the sheriff says were fronts for prostitution. Hill says an investigation determined that several Asian women were being held against their will.

      “One was a heartbreaking case. She actually escaped at one point and was caught and brought back and she was assaulted and she even had an STD and was still forced to perform various sex acts,” said Sheriff Hill.

      The sex trade allegations came to light during a December raid on 14 massage parlors around Clayton County. The raid focused on massage parlors that were fronts for prostitution, but Hill says officers soon determined 4 of the spas were holding women against their will.

      Several people have been arrested in connection with the massage parlor raids and more charges are on the way for the sex slave allegations.

      “We’re looking at everything from false imprisonment to kidnapping,” said Hill. “And we plan to make sure that a massage parlor/prostitution house never opens in Clayton County again.”

      The women who were forced into prostitution are now being held by the federal government. All of the spas in Clayton County are shut down as a result of the raid and Hill thinks law enforcement in every county should take a look at massage parlors to make sure slavery isn’t taking place there.

    135. JusticeforNatalee on January 3rd, 2007 8:49 am

      Richard, good idea to check out

    136. vicki on January 3rd, 2007 8:56 am

      richard, your quite welcome. If you can get urines website that would be great… How dare the sweaty papa take down that site….I would imagine that JQK should be able to get access to it?no?

    137. Molly on January 3rd, 2007 11:13 am

      Richard, I agree with you over and over. There is something WAY BIGGER going on in Aruba. That is why so many people are afraid to come forward about Natalee. However, to leave bodies laying all over a rocky area is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. Did they think that this would go undiscovered indefinitely? Sick minds are also stupid.

      I just read this weekend that a US millionaire keeps his money in a bank in Curacao to avoid US taxes. There is so much going on in the Caribbean that we know nothing about.

      You go, dude, find that website. You just might find the evidence that we need to clinch this case.

      molly (in Houston)

    138. Molly on January 3rd, 2007 11:17 am

      NYCHIC: I can’t wait for the Kalpukes to come to CA. Good idea to have a lawsuit over there. Get them out of Aruba and into US jurisdiction. And Texas? Maybe we should take them on a rattle snake hunt. lol

      molly (in Houston)

    139. Patti on January 3rd, 2007 12:28 pm

      SALUTE goes out to Clayton County, Georgia.

      I, especially, like the last paragraph: Every county should take a look at massage parlors to make sure slavery isn’t taking place there.

      We need to be aware. This is not something that we can just ignore. 600,000 to 800,000 people, 80% of them women and girls – that’s astounding. But what is also disturbing is that upon the mere mention of “sex slave” the general public gets these visions of only one or two bound in someone’s basement or cellar. Although, that happens occasionally, the sex-slave operations are that AND much more.


      Do you recall my telling you that I had been approached by a crew member on the ship that I was on when I visited Aruba, in 2001? Guess where I was invited to? CARLOS & CHARLIES…

      It doesn’t surprise me to know that a woman was reported missing the day after visiting Aruba and going to Carlos & Charlies (with a crew member). Nor does it surprise me to know that she was spotted in San Fran being a victim to slavery. This stuff happens all the time. So if women in America think that they are immune to this sort of thing because the offerings of wealth and freedom are taken out of the game, think again. Stay awake, stay alert and don’t get lulled into thinking that it only happens “over there”.

      My hat’s off to Clayton County!

    140. Miss-Underestimated on January 3rd, 2007 12:45 pm

      Carpe, are they dancing to the Nutcracker?

    141. Roy on January 3rd, 2007 1:49 pm

      Vicki: It’s not about believing them here… It’s why Deepak would say what he did that makes me curious… The statement wasn’t incriminating in itself so he may have let his guard down….not to mention, a warning to those who would scapegoat him…. AKA “Blackmail”
      As for Karin, it’s not about believing her either, it’s about WHY she would have ever made such an absurd request as to Beth Twitty’s geniology and possible relation to Adolph Hitler… Correct me iffn I’m wrong but was that request not made to Bacchus’s office. It’s easy to call’m liars and morons but in the spirit of trying to “keep it real”, Why make such a dubious request iffn not to blackmail… If not blackmail, then what? And, what would the source of that blackmail be?
      So few answers have created the need to synthesize so BFN’s inquiry into the MB 302′s seems very interesting at this point… I ask myself all the time, was WB’s mirror the DEA agent that BFN people seemed so curious about a time back? So, to answer your question, No, I do not believe them but I won’t ignore them either…. and with all due respect, Iffn Robin H. is OK with the thread, what harm is done in exploring the subject.

    142. Patti on January 3rd, 2007 1:50 pm

      Miss U:

      Yep, they’re dancing, with BIG smiles on their faces. But, there are things being done back-stage; and, their dance will, soon, be over.

    143. mayan_moons on January 3rd, 2007 2:17 pm

      lol Miss U!

    144. Elizabeth on January 3rd, 2007 3:08 pm


      I, for one, am not laughing.

      Thank YOU!

    145. Carpe Noctem on January 3rd, 2007 4:29 pm

      lol Dennis & Miss-U

      Yes, That would be
      the Nutcracker Sweet.

    146. Richard on January 3rd, 2007 4:58 pm

      Patti, no, you never mentioned anything about that solicitation to my knowledge … not to me, anyway.

      Is there any way that we can communicate? You probably know that I work with the family of Amy Bradley, and I am sure that Mrs. Bradley would be interested in hearing about this. Can you contact me … maybe, if you asked Red, he could forward a message.

      Or if you are on Michelle’s blog, she could send it on.


    147. Patti on January 3rd, 2007 6:24 pm


      Okay. I am not sure what Michelle’s blog is so I will write an e-mail to Red.

      Elizabeth: You’re welcome. Hope everything pans out.

    148. Patti on January 3rd, 2007 10:10 pm


      I e-mailed Red. I told him to give you my e-mail address. I went to look for my post as I am sure that it was probably in September. It was one of the first posts that I ever made to the web-site. Maybe Red can find it.

      Anyway, I have all the information in my head. Plus, I think that I still have my ship-pass from that cruise. I believe the cruiselines are required to keep photos of their employees in their files. My sister, who was with me, spoke with him also. We, both could id him, if it came to that.

      It did, finally, dawn on me what you refer to as Michelle’s blog, but I still think that e-mail would be easier.

    149. Richard on January 4th, 2007 6:49 am

      Thanks, Patti. For obvious reasons, I’m reluctant to put my full email here. Red, if you read this (or even if you don’t), please send on Patti’s e-mail contact. I hope that this won’t be a problem. Thanks much!

    150. Rumba Aruba on January 4th, 2007 11:22 am

      Misinformation again and again for ‘local consumption’ and wishful thinkers. This info about bread has nothing to do with the boycott or the Natalee effect…

      It’s just that the bakeries would like some more compensations because of the introduction of the Sales Tax…

      By the way, the Sales Tax in Aruba is 3%. I wonder how much the Sales Tax is in your States ???

    151. dennisintn on January 4th, 2007 11:43 am

      let’s see now, aruba is instituting a sales tax and lowering the income tax rates and business tax rate. right, that’s really going to help the average wage earner on the vile isle. privilege strikes again.

    152. Patti on January 4th, 2007 1:30 pm

      Rumba in Aruba!

      (Is that a condition, a dance or what?!?!?!?!)

      You are so right, our sales tax rates are double that. But, last time I checked our government doesn’t have to ration its’ bread. What is that all about? Are you all prisoners living on an island that wins your confidence by assuring that you get to eat bread and water? Funny, our government doesn’t spend its’ time or efforts on such menial things. Our governement spends much of its’ time and money on assuring us a good justice system that can afford to put our criminals behind bars when they brutally rape, torture and kill someone… then, they get bread and water.

      Aruba: America is not perfect, but, there are more than one lesson that you can learn from us. The first being that man does not live by bread alone. Quality of life comes from more than one source.

      What good is a piece of bread if you don’t have peace of mind.

    153. Desiree on January 7th, 2007 12:39 am

      This morning I eat I piece of fine white bread, Pan dushi!
      Can’t help but smile about this discussion. It’s not about bread, it’s about Natalee. We will find out what happened to her. Sweet dreams about…Bread?

    154. Patti on January 8th, 2007 10:44 pm


      I feel ya. Thank you so much.

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