More Happiness from Aruba … Teens Stabbed, “One Happy Island”


Amigoe is reporting that two teens were stabbed and seriously hurt during a torch-light Knifeprocession near the Crystal Casino. More actions from a reported “safe” and One Happy Island.

ORANJESTAD – Two teenagers seriously stabbed during torchlight procession.  The incident took place near the Crystal Casino.  One of the teenagers was stabbed in his chest and in his throat and lost a lot of blood.  An ambulance rushed him to the hospital. 

The other teenager was stabbed in his stomach and punched one of his lungs.  He underwent urgent surgery and his situation is critical.  The victims are 17 and 18 years old.  The police are investigating the case.  There’s no trace of the culprit.


Of course this coming off the foot-heels of yesterdays article in Diario where a man reportedly hanged himself. The article in Diario also shows a picture of the above Amigoe stabbing story as well.

When asked of the crimes and violence I guess the PM must have just said … let them eat bread, expensive bread that is.

Price of bread increased, Amigoe, January 9, 2007

ORANJESTAD – The price of bread went up effective today.  The deliberation between the association of bakers and Economic Affairs resulted in the increase of the maximum acceptable price for bread.  Depending on the weight, the price of a casino is between 1.11 and 3.75 florins, bbo inclusive; no bbo inclusive, the maximum price is between 1.08 and 3.64 florins. 

The ministry of Finance and Economic Affairs placed an ad in the newspapers with the new price for several types of bread.   The price increase is the result of negotiations between the association of bakers and economic affairs.  The association wanted a price increase for white bread, because they say that with the introduction of the bbo, they can no longer pay the costs.  Minister Swaen said that the association has to come with figures that can proof this.  The bakeries Huchada, Panaderia Del Pueblo and Bright Bakery presented their figures last Thursday.  From these figures it appears that bbo is charged on the transportation of the container, the transportation and delivery of the products to the bakeries, and other companies involved with the process pass on the bbo on the bakers.  The association of bakers said that they will take actions if the deliberation does not lead to what the bakers want.  One possible action is no longer baking white bread.  But that is no longer necessary, because the price of white bread has been increased. 


Posted January 9, 2007 by
Aruba, Crime, Travel | 105 comments

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    105 Responses to “More Happiness from Aruba … Teens Stabbed, “One Happy Island””

    1. vicki on January 9th, 2007 1:29 pm

      This is crazy, I really believe in my heart that this Island is cursed….and will be UNTIL Natalee gets JUSTICE… lets go LIERUBA.. someone fess up.

    2. LilPuma on January 9th, 2007 1:29 pm

      Very sad and I hope and pray those teens recover. I don’t know how this could happen in a “procession” and no one knows who did it, but strange things happen in law enforcement everywhere. I think Aruba needs to crank up it’s law enforcement effectiveness, which of course would include unearthing the so-called lack of evidence in the Natalee Holloway case. I understand why they wanted to market themselves as “safe” in a competitive market, but people would feel safer if they felt authorities were competent, professional and visible. As so many have said so many times, people want to know that if something happens, it won’t be written off as insignificant, even if they were drinking, dancing, talking, or gambling with the locals. While willingly getting into a car with 3 boys you recently met is not a good idea, I’ve always found it odd that Arubans NEVER said that they would have expected Natalee Holloway to be safe with the local boys on this “safe” island. Seems they knew just the opposite.

    3. SUPER DAVE on January 9th, 2007 1:33 pm

      and aruba says this is one safe island ? let me guess, these two stabbed themselves just for the hell of it. you have to wonder if this man hanged himself. that’s three crimes this week.
      fighting over bread maybe ?

    4. driving miss daisy on January 9th, 2007 1:38 pm

      No manna from heaven. The gift that just keeps on giving, Aruba’s crime figures. I trust someone is keeping JQK updated on all these ‘loving/sharing/giving’ moments on Aruba.

    5. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 9th, 2007 1:43 pm

      Fakkel Optocht, the first carnaval parade of the carnaval season. I was standing at Wilhelima Park, pretty close to that area but didn’t see the violence.

      There are some gangs on the island these past years.
      The Madiki gang vs. the Dakota gang for example.
      The Village gang vs. the Kamp gang. Nothing unusual in most countries around the world. Very sad, but not unusual.

      Look at is this way, if you ain’t in that gang, you’re safe.
      We’re talking about internal social issues gone out of hand here. Too bad they took their beef to the hotel area. Too bad Marisol Tromp isn’t doing more about it.

      The guy who hung himself, Cameraman for ATV.

      And yes Aruba is a very safe place for tourists compared to most other countries in the caribbean. Realistically speaking.

    6. vicki on January 9th, 2007 1:46 pm

      Lilpuma,#2 Natalee thought she was getting into a TAXI with a Dutch TOURIST because thats what Joran told her earlier on … she was also given a date rape drug… PLEASE

    7. vicki on January 9th, 2007 1:55 pm

      con”t from #4-please, while your post was very kind, it is inaccurate. I was speaking to a cousin who thought that it was careless of Natalee to get in a car with 3 strangers also, I told her that the dutch boy passed himself off as a tourist from holland and he said he was staying at the HI also. Maybe he said they could share a “taxi” back there….Natalee was a LADY, she just trusted the wrong person.

    8. pdh3 on January 9th, 2007 1:59 pm

      Cursed is a good way to describe it. What a frightening place. This is what happens when laws are not enforced – society breaks down and all hell breaks loose.

    9. SUPER DAVE on January 9th, 2007 2:02 pm

      lil puma: you are correct and remember a hotel employee told Beth that sloot was a known stalker of young girls. so the whole island knows him for what he is. they are just unwilling or afraid to tell the truth.

    10. Miss-Underestimated on January 9th, 2007 2:32 pm


      Even Anita questioned why Natalee got in the car with her son. Why would Anita worry about that? Would anyone worry if their model of a citizen son gave a girl a ride to the hotel?

      BTW, the perps lied to her she thought she was going in a taxi with a student from Holland back to her hotel, and she also may have been slipped GHB prior to the ride.

      But anyway, why would Anita say that, what did she know about her son that Natalee would not be safe, why the cause for concern and question?

    11. vicki on January 9th, 2007 3:02 pm

      #5- are you kidding me now we have to worry about gngs too….real bummer

    12. JusticeforNatalee on January 9th, 2007 3:37 pm

      #11 Vicki,
      Be sure to relay that info to your friend in DC.

    13. Big Lou on January 9th, 2007 3:44 pm

      Why are Americans still going to Aruba? I guess they think it won’t happen to them. Only 1 American went missing there in the last 20 years. They think there odds are good. How about the fools still going on cruises?

    14. Miss-Underestimated on January 9th, 2007 3:44 pm

      With the sloots and the ALE the gangs got to be a bunch of pip squeaks. Let’s face it, If gangs run the island (remember the pimps) it’s only because of the leaders of the ALE, the island is up for grabs.

    15. Freebrid on January 9th, 2007 4:23 pm

      Big Lou there have been more than just one American gone missing. I read a lady from a cruise ship came up missing, and a guy who was down there on a diving trip went missing. I bet if you really done some digging you could fine many bones. The families were told the same as Natalee’s family they ran off! or they fell in love and will turn up someday! As for Aruba and their police force they will chalk this up to no evidence!!!!

    16. Patti on January 9th, 2007 5:22 pm


      I agree with you. There are gangs in Aruba, as well as all over the world. As for the United States, gang activity is always associated with the use of drugs, the trafficking of drugs and the manufacturing of drugs. There are many studies that show that the lack of justice and the inability to prosecute criminals contributes to gang violence. We both know about the amount of drugs that your island manufactures, sells and uses; is it possible that if your government would prosecute the BIG drug dealers and cartel that operate, freely, on your island, there would be less violence? What is your country doing to help the average Aruban, to keep him safe from the violence that is associated with these activities? Nothing. In fact, he has his own militants, or militia. What does that tell you? Perhaps, he is also a member of these gangs that you speak about?

      I am concerned because, as you know, all eyes are on Aruba to see what their government is going to do. We have The Netherlands saying that they are looking into the investigation of an American girl that disappeared from your island. They have just completed their study of your justice system and have issued their report, which in a very nice way, says that there is corruption… and here, we have another news person dying of hanging. Aren’t your people concerned when one of the eyes that are a part of keeping tabs on the activities of your people and government is found hanging from a tree? And then this, another, hanging from a post?

      Oh, Aruba, in all your corruption,

      you have silenced, yet, another?

      How does this look to Arubans, to see their leader speaking of militants one week and the death of another news person the next…

      And what, if anything, are you going to do to protect your island, stick your head in the sand?


    17. Patti on January 9th, 2007 5:35 pm


      Perhaps you sre sinking? Too much gaming,

      drugs and corruption for one island to bear?

      Oh! Look, Momma!!

      He did it again:

      Now you see it, Now you don’t

      Our hearts go out to the family of Camilo Romero. Perhaps,
      when Aruba stops being so happy, we will know the truth and Camilo Romero will be our hero.


    18. Patti on January 9th, 2007 6:14 pm


      Eat your bread… eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

      This is not about bread.

      This is about justice, liberty and freedom.

      How silly, you say, for the family to seek justice from a
      government that cannont give it to their own people. Is it
      silly that the justice of one American girl could also mean
      the liberty of your island? Maybe so. But justice does not come freely, you have to fight for it and liberty comes
      only to those that seek it.

      Oduber would have you believe that he has a right to keep
      you from demonstrating through the use of his millitants.
      But, everyone knows that he is only as powerful as you
      allow him to be.

      He stands up to his people and threatens to take away their
      voices with his threats against those that demonstrate, picket and strike… while he plucks out the eyes of those that are watching.

      Aruba is not happy, are they? Why does it take the voice of
      a stranger to stand up to this government that you call your

      Camilo Romero is a hero, and Aruba is not happy.

      Aruba, say it for yourself.

      Boycott Aruba

    19. Rudolf on January 9th, 2007 6:41 pm

      Well at least in Aruba you will survive a day at school, no reenactment of movies there……cannot say the same thing about america….
      How many times was it in 2006?? How many were shot, by a TEENAGER ??

    20. dennisintn on January 9th, 2007 6:41 pm

      freebird, add to your list the l4 yr. old boy who disappeared under mysterious circumstances while riding jet skis with a male companion. after 2 days they quit looking for him, they found the adult and the jetskis, and he told them different stories as time went on. aruba is saying his mother disappeared him in an insurance scam. much easier than actually conducting an investigation into the adult males changing stories and they had, after all, recovered both jetskies. so what if the boy disappeared. he was just a little tourist boy.

    21. Maggie on January 9th, 2007 6:52 pm

      I can’t believe they put these pictures in the newspaper of people hanging. I can’t imagine being a family member and to open a newspaper and see your loved ones like that. It’s almost like sending a message to people. Why in the world would you put such pictures in the paper? This is like the awful picture of the woman found months ago that was put in the paper.

      Take comfort people the police are investigating. I hope the black security guards on the island have alibis. In a week the victims will be history and everyone will have moved on. If there were any people on the island doing time for being lying witnesses, drinking, gambling or driving underage, assisting your minor child gambling underage, or framing people for a crime. I hope they have lawyers and are filing suit against the government. So far the Kalpoes and Sloots have served no time for any of that. I can’t imagine going to these people if I were the victim of the crime, they would scare me as much as the ones who did the crime.

      I’m still wondering how Dompig went from guilty as hell to after his son Michael told Natalee’s family that Koen’s boat went out the night Natalee disappeared, and Michael told about Cromvoirt and got him arrested. Dompig said his son lied about that and then changed to his story to Natalee overdosed and the suspects buried her twice and they never went to the beach. He said the cops allowed him to go on 48 hours to talk and they knew what he was going to say, then ditched him after noone bought that fairytale.

    22. Richard on January 9th, 2007 6:53 pm

      Right on, Patti! (18)

      Crioyo, would you fill us in on the gang problem in the “happy island”? Given that it is such a small place, how can there be a gang problem?

      Then again, how can it be that school students can take a girl from their school, GANG-RAPE her, FILM the horrific assault, and yet nobody is arrested? I guess you can sit there and talk about how violent America is ….

      And Patti is quite right, much gang violence is tied to the use of drugs. As we know, they are prevalent in Aruba and throughout the Caribbean ….

      Oh yes, there’s a gang down there called the PIMPS, right?

      The cliche is that America is a violent place. If the illusions were shattered, we’d find a lot more (per capita) violence elsewhere … maybe even on some tropical paradise islands … IF those governments would let the truth get out.

    23. dennisintn on January 9th, 2007 6:57 pm

      well, rudolph, speaking of schools, let’s talk about the l6 yr. old student who was gangraped at school on aruba last summer, the rapists took phone pics of the rape and sent them to their friends. the little girl had to be sent to another island to finish her schooling, and the rapists were not charged. they and their friends who received the pics were at leasted politely asked to delete the pics from their phones and please don’t put them on the internet. do you think these gallant lads at least did that? i seriously doubt it.

    24. Patti on January 9th, 2007 6:57 pm


      Oh Yeah!!! We have our share of Psychopaths and we hunt them down in all corners of the world, if we have to. We charge them with their crimes and allow them a fair trial to determine their guilt or innocence.

      I wonder what Aruba does to their psychopaths?

      I know of one by the name of Joran Van der Sloot that is currently attending college in Holland, with the permission of your government.

      What’s your point?

      Psychopaths, we all have them, but how does your government treat them? THAT is the question.

      Oh yeah! I forgot, you don’t prosecute your criminals, do you?

      Wouldn’t it be funny if they did? We’d have to close down your government and open anew as most all of them would be in jail, wouldn’t they? You don’t supply The Netherlands with their ecstacy or the rest of the world, their cocaine, without ALOT of people looking the other way, do you?

      Nope… too much crime for just one small island.

    25. Big Lou on January 9th, 2007 7:13 pm

      Freebird: Wrong. The lady that came up missing was Amy Bradley. She was on a cruise and came up missing not in Aruba. There have been over 40 missing people who went on cruises in the last 10 years. All presumed DEAD. There isn’t much security on a ship and if someone throws you overboard you are fish food. Then the cruise ships say you jumped. Yea right.

    26. Dayhiker on January 9th, 2007 7:18 pm

      Think of the impact this will have on the tourists who are down there and witnessed this violence right out in the open. This will probably be the main thing they remember most from the trip to the so-called “Happy Island.” And they will tell their friends.

    27. LilPuma on January 9th, 2007 7:20 pm

      #6 Vicki. I do think you’re correct, but since Natalee isn’t here to tell us what happened, I don’t know that for a fact.

      #10 Miss_U. So true. Anita didn’t say: “Perhaps Natalee got separated from her friends and my son was kind enough to offer her a ride back to her hotel to be sure she got there safely.” She didn’t say that she was angry with Joran for leaving a young woman at the beach alone. She questioned Natalee’s character for going with HER SON. What more do we need to know about Anita and Joran van der Sloot?

      #9. Super Dave. Exactly. They knew he was drinking and gambling underage and out prowling regularly for the latest tourist-for-sex adventure. They don’t criticize him for that. They say American girls who go there are “easy”; sounds like they’re saying it’s their own fault if our boys do something bad.

      19. Rudolf. Seems almost every person who speaks out for Aruba has no defense against the criticism; they simply point their finger at America and say, well, what about YOU. We have lots of crime in the U.S. We don’t deny that. Our media reports it and we don’t protest against them for saying bad things about police, prosecutors and judges who don’t do their jobs. We don’t carry signs and protest against a family of a missing person even if they criticize authorities. We want the media to report corruption, coverups, crimes and incompetence. We want to stop it. Feel free to call for a boycott of our southern states in particular. We’d like people to stop pouring in down there, whether by boat, car, truck or even on foot. Please.

    28. Allan K on January 9th, 2007 7:26 pm

      Was it suicide?

    29. Patti on January 9th, 2007 7:27 pm

      Amy Bradley:

      Yet, another beautiful young lady that went missing from
      The Netherlands Island Wonderland.

      She was hanging out with a few of the crew. They invited
      her to Carlos and Charleys in Aruba. She didn’t go. And by
      six o’clock in the morning, the next day, she was gone…
      never to be heard from again. As the ship was docked in
      Curacao, and she was sitting on her balcony, barefoot
      smoking a cigarette….. she vanished.

      Caracao, the sister island of Aruba, where is Amy Bradley?


    30. LilPuma on January 9th, 2007 7:28 pm

      21. Maggie. Just before Chief Dompig said his son lied, Jossy reported that there were strong rumors from reliable sources that Michael Dompig would be arrested. Did he lie? Or was there pressure on them to say he lied to protect Koen, Geoffrey or others? I’ve always wondered about that.

    31. sorenson on January 9th, 2007 7:43 pm

      wow.2 people get stabbed.that island is a cesspool.Here in america home of mcdonalds and apple pie, we have no crime unsolved cases ever.Get a grip monkeys…crime happens everywhere!

    32. LilPuma on January 9th, 2007 7:46 pm

      Missing US Tourists in Aruba

      1999: Bud Larson…Last seen leaving a surf shop near the fisherman’s huts…Not sure which hotel he stayed at.

      2002: Gary Markings…Staying at The Aruba House…Last seen snorkeling at Boca Catalina.

      2004: Max DeVries….Staying at the La Cabana Resort….Last seen jet skiing…

      2005: Natalee Holloway…Staying at the Holiday Inn…Last seen?
      Fisherman’s huts?

      This was posted on the Scared Monkeys forum.

    33. Patti on January 9th, 2007 7:56 pm

      Ms. Marple:

      Allan K. is asking if this is, yet, another suicide.

      How many suicides plague that island every year? Did we
      ever find out?

      I think it’s safe to say that many of the murders in Aruba
      are reported as suicides.

      I wonder, what was Camilo Romero working on that resulted
      in his death?

    34. JusticeforNatalee on January 9th, 2007 8:06 pm

      I plan to send this letter (hard copy):

      Dear Dr. Rice:

      You pride yourself on being an advocate for human rights.
      That is an admirable trait, but you have fallen short of your mission.

      Your absence and lack of involvement in the quest for justice for Natalee Ann Holloway is very noted. As an American citizen, mother, voter, and strong believer in justice, I am deeply disappointed with your hands-off approach. Many other American citizens, especially parents, share my disbelief.

      When are you going to stand up for Natalee’s human rights? When you stand up for Natalee, you stand up for all young American women. In fact, you stand up for young women all over the world.

      Natalee Holloway was an honor student and very decent young woman. She planned to become a doctor and help others. Her human rights were severely violated on Aruba. The most likely scenario is that Natalee Holloway died from a date-rape drug or struggle during rape.

      Aruban authorities have no intention of solving the case and punishing the guilty.
      They are paying lip service, running out the clock, and thumbing their noses at American authorities and American tourists. They are denying Natalee justice. They are letting three men get away with killing Natalee Holloway.

      Please do not be fooled by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber’s empty promises.

      Also, please note that early in the case, Aruba Law Enforcement arrested two innocent black security guards even though police knew that Joran and the Kalpoes had lied about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. No police force is that foolish; this action points to corruption.

      Do you know the recent revelations in the case? Joran van der Sloot’s own attorney confessed to prosecutor Karin Janssen that Joran played a major role in Natalee’s disappearance.

      In addition, it was revealed that Judge Bob Wit blocked a full search of the Van der Sloot residence, even though the police and prosecutor presented a valid search warrant for the entire residence, including the grounds.

      Another important revelation is that Joran’s friend Freddy said that Joran stated “they all panicked when Natalee remained passed out.”

      Furthermore, former police chief Gerold Dompig admitted that there is enough evidence to put Joran and the Kalpoes in jail for eight years.

      Yet, all three suspects roam free. And Joran shows no remorse, smirking for the camera.
      Are you aware that he paid someone to photoshop a picture of he and Natalee together?

      The average American knows that Aruban authorities covered up the crimes against Natalee. Dr. Rice, you are a very intelligent woman, so I’m sure that you realize this, too. The question is, what are you going to do about it ?

      Where is your outrage, Dr. Rice?

      You are a powerful woman and have the means to demand justice for Natalee. Please make a stand! Keep your word and prove your stance on human rights.

      Stronger action on your part is long overdue and urgently needed. Please end this travesty of justice and put Aruba on notice.

      Let Aruba know that it cannot get away with covering up a crime against an American tourist.

    35. Patti on January 9th, 2007 8:13 pm

      Hey Sorenson:

      Where ya been, lately? I thought that we were in this
      together. Are you not concerned when teens get stabbed?

      Besides… look at the article next to that one

      Does that not disturb you?

      When people from the News Agencies start turning up dead,
      I, for one, wonder why….

      Hey Oduber:

      Please do tell:
      What ya hidin’ in those deep pockets of yours?

      Boycott Aruba and all their millitants!

    36. Maggie on January 9th, 2007 8:14 pm

      LiL Puma not only that,, Dave mentioned in his book that he saw Michael Dompig at the Inn looking for tourists one night and when he saw Dave he took off fast.

    37. Skyboxx on January 9th, 2007 8:19 pm

      Suicides, murders, rapes, what difference does it make, Aruba knows NO justice system, just ask the Holloways and Twittys.

    38. Allan K on January 9th, 2007 8:21 pm

      To sorenson

      You are out of touch with this case or you have some serious personal issues.

    39. Miss-Underestimated on January 9th, 2007 8:37 pm

      Wow you guys are asking what I have been asking, Hey Dompig what did Michael mean, was does Michael know.

      Do fathers teach their sons anymore to do the right thing, or is it every man and son for himself. Aruba I pray every night that someone has the integrity to sell everyone of those involved out, I know that I do not pray alone. All of you that were involved really must have a hard time sleeping at night, let’s face it someone, someday will tell on you and all of you will have to bear the fruit of the tree you planted.
      Dompig tell the truth. Michael Dompig tell the truth. You will not be a young man, forever, will you let your children pay the price of your silence? Tell what you know, now is the time to tell.
      What happened to Natalee Holloway, why and where is she?

    40. Richard on January 9th, 2007 8:39 pm

      Patti, just to clarify … the last reported sighting of Amy Bradley was not on her balcony. She left the cabin where her family were sleeping and was seen in the company of a crew member going up to the disco (isolated, at the top of the ship, CLOSED AT THE TIME, and with a freight elevator that connected to all parts of the ship).

      Although the disco was closed, a passenger was drinking with the crew at a bar below. That passenger saw Amy and this crew member go up to the isolated top of the disco, where the dj’s booth was sited. The crew member then came back down to the bar, got ONE drink, and headed back up the stairs.

      After a short time, the crew member then turned the lights off in the dj booth and turned the music up very loud. The passenger took no notice of anything else, not thinking at the time that anything was amiss. Later on, the crew member descended the stairs … by himself.

      This information comes from the family of Amy Bradley. The belief is that she was given (sound familiar?) a date-rape drug in the drink, then taken in the elevator down to the cargo area, where she could be brought on shore.

      Also of interest: Amy’s father heard the door shut as she left the family’s suite. Sleeping restlessly, he soon woke up again, realized in full consciousness that Amy was no longer in the cabin, wondered what was going on and decided to go look for her.

      Outside the suite, just down the hall, was the chief of ship security, standing there, leaning against the wall and watching the cabin. The family had never noticed him to be patrolling the area before that. Asked by Mr. Bradley for help in finding Amy, he nodded … but continued to stand there and did nothing.

      Not for some time was Amy’s disappearance brought to the attention of the crew.

      It’s also worthy of note, perhaps, that after Mr. Bradley returned to his cabin, extremely concerned, the whole familiy went out to search. Amy’s brother, Brad, went up on an upper deck, hoping to spot her.

      The member of the band who (it would be known later) was last seen with Amy in the disco approached Brad on the upper deck. “Sorry to hear about your sister,” he said.

      It later became known that this comment was made some twenty minutes BEFORE the announcement to the ship was made about Amy. One wonders … how did this person, who still is the chief suspect, know anything at that time?

    41. Miss-Underestimated on January 9th, 2007 8:42 pm

      Sorenson, who sent you here? Oduber or Paulus?

    42. Richard on January 9th, 2007 8:44 pm

      Hey, Rudolf, you’re right; we have far too much crime in the U.S. But people know about it, because we don’t conceal the news to keep the tourists in ignorance and we don’t deny it. You see, we accept our problems and try to do something about them as best we can.

      I guess you prefer the Aruba approach … “What? No crime here. All one happy island. If Americans disappear, serves them right … um, I mean, they weren’t here anyways.”

    43. Patti on January 9th, 2007 8:45 pm


      Do you have the address for Ms. Rice? What is her fax
      machine number?

      I think that it is important that she know that we have a
      leader in Aruba that threats bodily harm to anyone that
      demonstrates against his policies…. one that asks for
      tolerance while packin’ a gang of militants in his back

      She knows the effects on a society that does not have or
      use their justice system to fight against crime… and she
      knows, full well, that drugs, whether they be cocaine or
      heroin, leaves death in its path and at its’ destination.
      Maybe she just needs to be reminded.

      How tolerant is she of a piece of Holland, in our back door?

      Please post the information so that others can write to her, as well.

      Remember Sorenson: It takes a village.

    44. Miss-Underestimated on January 9th, 2007 8:46 pm


      How reliable are the pictures that show Amy in a house of ill repute? Does the family think it is her?

    45. Allan K on January 9th, 2007 8:52 pm

      I can tell you I found them but you will have to judge for yourself I am google allan k hyscience

    46. dennisintn on January 9th, 2007 8:59 pm

      #26, you might be surprised at the reaction the tourists on the vile isle are having. anyone who wants to rub elbows and socialize with people who, at the very least, put up with the way natalee was treated and go down there anyway must be kind of skewed in their thinking. or possibly, since everyone knows you can get away with anything there, it might have been a tourist himself that did the stabbing. just for the fun of it.

    47. Allan K on January 9th, 2007 9:08 pm

      Also I am not fond of Harry, had to let that one out.Have spoken to Richard Bingham a few times about Amy and Natalee. Emailed tom and red both, no reply then went to Hyscience with the pics. Worked with another person and she let them out anonymously on another site to a person by the name of Sloan. That was premature before it should have happened then Richard B went public with the news.

    48. Patti on January 9th, 2007 9:09 pm

      I love that!

      Google Allan K Hyscience!

      Just be carefull that Oduber doesn’t find out –

      You see what he does to people that report the news.

      Are we afraid?

      I DARE Oduber to use his militants!!!

    49. Patti on January 9th, 2007 9:16 pm

      Allan K:

      So now we have to worry about her being taken even further
      underground because some people got greedy and went ahead
      of the investigation?

    50. Big Lou on January 9th, 2007 9:22 pm

      Patti: So Amy Bradley went missing from a cruise ship on Caracao. But Millions of Americans still go to Caracao and on cruises. WHY? My guess is they just don’t think it will happen to them. What ever the reason I think they are dumb and asking for trouble. BOYCOTT is the answer.

    51. Allan K on January 9th, 2007 9:38 pm

      I will say Richard told almost all correct as good as possible. I can not say why it was let out by S. but she let it it out. She is sometimes here too! She knows the story. As far as being more underground I don’t think they could find her – law officials if she was standing in front of them. I guess I will hear about that. What I think is they said she wasn’t there or never was there. Anyway it was a mess. as far as law officials go I have said look at our FBI right in Aruba and refusing to make a public statement which I find intolerable, inept on their part. Would that be partly because of fol and the government so called secret projects. The government doesn’t seem to care about you and me. Look no travel advisory or anything for Aruba. Somebody tell me whats up. A few other things I know which is not my info and told not to say it but will as this crap drags on.

    52. Patti on January 9th, 2007 9:41 pm

      Big Lou:

      I go on cruises. Why? For one reason, I was not aware of the risks:

      I went on a cruise, with my daughter and sister. I was stalked by a guy for two days while the ship made its’ way from San Juan, Puerto Rico to Aruba. Once we got there, this man, who had mysteriously appeared everywhere I went, asked me to go to Carlos and Charlies.

      I didn’t go, not that it makes any difference… but, now I wonder, was he really after me… or my daughter?

      The next day, when we embarked upon Caracao, the man disappeared… likely, he got off the ship… he told us he was from Caracao.

      I hate talking about this, because, I probably will continue to go on cruises, but, thanks to you and Scared Monkeys, I will be more aware.

      However, if someone called for a boycott… I’d stay home.

    53. Patti on January 9th, 2007 9:52 pm

      Big Lou:

      One more thing that I want to say: Boycott is the answer
      but only until the cruise ships, like Aruba, make changes
      in their policies that assure the safety of those that are
      patrons. For the cruise ships, that would be easy. For
      Aruba, well, that’s a different story. Their island is
      pungent with the smell of corruption and rotting flesh.
      They act as if they are drunk with the spirit of their own
      undoing and are slow in responding to the voice of reason.

      We may always have to boycott Aruba.

    54. Patti on January 9th, 2007 10:07 pm

      Big Lou:

      I’ll go even further to say that Education is the answer.
      Many go unaware of the risks. Who ever heard of going on a
      website that is posted by our State Department to find if
      an island is safe or not?


      I suppose that if not for people like Beth, we would still be unaware.

    55. page on January 9th, 2007 10:12 pm

      This upsets me again. I just had to copy this below from


      SM:   Please don’t bring any more of that garbage over here.   It’s just giving this guy the attention he wants. (klaasend)

    56. Richard on January 9th, 2007 10:31 pm

      Miss U (#44) … let me just say that there are certain photos which were unveiled on the Dr. Phil show, that one where both Mrs. Bradley and Beth Twitty appeared. My understanding is that experts have examined those photographs and pronounced them authentic. Without meaning to be coy, I don’t want to say anything more.

      Incidentally, let me expand a bit on my post #40. I have worked with the Bradley family for some five years, but in no way am a spokesman for them. When I say “the belief is,” I am basing this on my talks with them.

      In no circumstance should anything I say be regarded as gospel or as the “official word.”

    57. Patti on January 9th, 2007 10:33 pm

      Testing… Testing…

      What’s wrong, Zoo Keeper?

      One too many cruises?

    58. Patti on January 9th, 2007 10:54 pm


      I feel ya. The government thinks that they are doing the right thing, but in reality they are doing us a dis-service by not letting us know the truth.

      They know about the sex-slave operation and openly admit it on their websites… the problem is that many of us don’t go to look on those websites, neither for our own information nor for our own safety.

      We live in a country that has left it to us to find out for ourselves. Maybe if they would admit that these things are happening, publicly, as they happen; we wouldn’t look like a bunch of idiots when we try to talk about it.

      Sex-Slaves? “How silly”, they say.

      They think it’s silly until one of their own comes up missing and then they are running around, much like we are, trying to figure out why they were left in the dark for so long.

      Folks, we’re not talkin’ about one or two girls here, we are talking about literally hundreds of thousands… all of them missing without a trace.

      Do the research and you will find:

      Many of them end up in our own backyard:

      Los Angeles, This is Hollywood, Baby!

      and San Francisco, the next best thing!

      Allan K: Where, exactly, can we see these photos?

    59. LEBANESE on January 9th, 2007 10:58 pm

      Patti and Lou,

      Curaçao not Caracao.

    60. JusticeforNatalee on January 9th, 2007 11:04 pm

      Dr. Condoleezza Rice
      U.S. Department of State
      2201 C Street NW
      Washington, DC 20520

    61. Patti on January 9th, 2007 11:07 pm


      You’re a Doll!!!


    62. mayan_moons on January 9th, 2007 11:14 pm

      “don’t bring that garbage over here”

      Thank You SM for nippin that in the bud! Alan……please bend our ear more with the info you know.

    63. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 9th, 2007 11:51 pm


      Well i don’t think the gang problem is drug related. They fight eachother for stupid reasons and nobody really knows how it all began. These are people who just hate eachother for some reason and it’s an eye for an eye. Their not organized gangs of any kind and they don’t do organized crime or robberies etc.

      I think the drugtrade is handled mostly by colombians and other types of locals, not associated with this gang. For example Bulldog if I’m not mistaken was drugrelated. Or a few days around christmas, the body they found floating at Andicuri beach, a day after they seized kilo’s of drugs at that beach…(that’s how they try to do it now that the airport security is tight, drop drugs in the water at the northside so they float to shore where someone picks it up).. That’s how drugproblems are taken care of on the island. Swiftly. Always shady people nobody knows about, found executed. (and no doesn’t happen all the time)

      Back to the issue
      These are kids gotten out of hand, what used to be random fighting has elevated into people carrying knives and guns and I hold Marisol and the previous ministers responsible for not tackling it from the beginning.

      Also fighting has recently become a popular sport. Ultimate fighting competitions, last man standing etc are all the rage. And sometimes things get out of hand, the young guy who got beaten to death 3 weeks ago in the Carlos and Charlies veranda for example, the guy who did it was a fighter. They had just come to the club after a fighting competition.

      I think you can youtube ”last man standing aruba”.

      - Didn’t hear about that one, videotaped gangrape? Also in Aruba?

    64. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 9th, 2007 11:56 pm

      sorry…youtube video must be under another name.

      rudy should see me. he said on the radio the other day, people like me on the internet should all be labeled traitors and persona non grata.

      luckily i think he’s incompetent.

    65. Patti on January 10th, 2007 12:09 am

      Miss U:

      Do you have any idea why many people from Aruba say that we need to look AT the police for our answers?

      I hear that over and over from these people.

      Mr. Crioyo:

      You are a smart man. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Is there nothing that you can do to ensure safety for your own people.

      Staying out of gangs is not the only answer, as soon, they will be pedalling their drugs to your children and mine and enslaving them to their disease that results in addiction.

      It is hard for me to believe that you come here, only to check on us. I know that you are interested in the things that we do and the things that we say… and I have hope that one day you will join us in our boycott that calls for the end of corruption in your homeland.

      Peace be with you and your family and may we all find the solution to the problems that plague every family every where, a common ground.

      Lady Justice:

      I don’t need to tell you all the things that you do for us, and we thank you.

      Good night.

    66. SunFreak2 on January 10th, 2007 12:10 am

      Re post #5 by Crioyo – Where these 4 gangs active during the summer of 2005 when over 16 males between the ages of 15 to 25 died? And that was just the number of yound dead men listed at one funeral home on Aruba. It’s so sad when gangs kill each other if this is what caused these deaths.
      Was something weird going on that summer of 2005?

    67. Patti on January 10th, 2007 12:19 am

      Woooow Mr. Crioyo:

      I was just in the process of saying good-night and upon posting, I find that you are back!

      Are you serious? Rudy is telling people to stay off the internet?

      Do you think that these two hangings, first of the girl anchor woman and now the camera man are really murders? It does seem that there are some that don’t want much attention right now and from your latest post, it sounds as though they don’t want you to be communicating with us.

      Thanks for coming here and please be careful.

    68. nychic on January 10th, 2007 12:21 am


      I’m pretty sure that case is covered in this thread:

      Funny you mentioned the fighting -
      I remember Joran going on about who beats who at boxing
      in one of his statements -

      persona non grata ? what a statement from rudy !
      wonder how that came up ? maybe he reads here !
      (hope linda is ok)

    69. postahchild on January 10th, 2007 12:27 am

      Freebird wrote:
      Big Lou there have been more than just one American gone missing. I read a lady from a cruise ship came up missing, and a guy who was down there on a diving trip went missing. I bet if you really done some digging you could fine many bones. The families were told the same as Natalee’s family they ran off! or they fell in love and will turn up someday!

      Free, the “lady from a cruise ship” was Amy Bradley. She disappeared while her ship was docking on Curacao, not Aruba. The “guy who was down there on a diving trip,” Gary Makings, disappeared while snorkeling alone;that is never a good idea, and particularly so if you aren’t familiar with an area. There is no indication whatsoever that anyone on Aruba had anything to do with either disappearance, and in the case of Amy Bradley, I’m sure the Aruban authorities didn’t tell her parents anything because they were not the investigating agency.

    70. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 10th, 2007 12:42 am


      hmmm well i was over there in the summer as well and I can’t
      seem to recall that much gang violence ever. It rears its head once and a while but not like that. I had no idea there were 16.

      Drunk driving is the leading cause of death among youngsters in Aruba if you ask me. I have many many friends
      and know many people who’ve been involved in such accidents.

      Could these figures also include illness-related deaths?
      I’d expect more local coverage and uproar if it were 16 males in gangrelated violence.

      I heard today (discussing this with friends) there’s an SB gang, a PC gang etc etc. I guess people think it’s cool to call their ”band of brothers” a gang. CW is also a wannabe gang for example. (Sabana Basora, Pos Chiquito, Congo Weg)

      Now that carnaval season has begun all these youths with beefs are going to be on the street looking for eachother. Met a few at the gym. Sad sad.

      patti, I’d never support any boycott. We’re talking about parents friends family who will feel the effects, and people are ignorant. The only ones aware of anything are politicians, economists and the like. And they’re the last to feel the heat. You know Oduber makes 68,000 in a month or something similar, correct me if I’m wrong, I think SM featured the payslip. Minimum loan is what, 1500-1800?

      But I’ll do my part when I return to Aruba in years to come and I think things will look up when the current generation of politicians has gone and been replaced. In 21 years since status aparte we’ve had, 2 prime ministers. Very frustrating. Democratically elected losers. Who can protect the people from themselves? They stick a big banner in your yard and pay you for it and then people go and vote for them. They paint your car, they buy you a fridge, they give you a job and fire whoever the previous party hired when they were in office and if you haven’t got the money to do these things, you get no votes. That’s why the same politicians get elected over and over again and the new parties barely get a seat. That’s how mep gets a 11 seat majority. They had a 12 seat majority in the previous 4 years also. Parties like Aliansa who want to campaign without bribing people, get 0, zilch, nada, rien, niks.

      Minister Ramon Lee raped a woman. Member or parlament Robert Maduro hit someone with his car and kept driving.
      A mysterious Candelario Wever arrested in Venezuela with 3,5 kilo cocaine, out on 250,000 dollar bail…etc etc etc.

      How lucky for those in power that people don’t think. – Adolf Hitler

      Anyways. I’m out for the night.

    71. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 10th, 2007 12:49 am

      The first hanging was a producer at Tele Aruba.
      She was dutch, spoke dutch, ahs a daughter in NL. She was greatly responsible for the Sparkling Tour event where you could go and sing and win 34,000 florin. Kinda like Idols.

      I heard from participants that she was very annoying, very bitter etc etc.

      The recent hanging is cameraman for ATV..
      Don’t know anything about him.

      Other than them being possible lovers I have no theories.

      Nobody’s talking about it either, no gossip or anything.

      And no I don’t think they were murders..


      Look at the Volkswagen guy who drives the crazy van. His father killed himself too a few years back.

    72. nychic on January 10th, 2007 12:49 am

      Crioyo -

      Do you know what happened to this online newsletter
      to Save San Nicolas ?

    73. nychic on January 10th, 2007 12:59 am

      Does Lorenzo Van Rijn Really Even Exist ?
      Does Anyone Ever Actually See Him Or His Crazy Van ?

    74. nychic on January 10th, 2007 1:05 am


      Crioyo – If You Are Still In Aruba
      Don’t Forget To Post Any Sloot or Kalpoe Sightings !

    75. Patti on January 10th, 2007 1:18 am

      Good Night, Crioyo!


      Please, Be Careful!

    76. Richard on January 10th, 2007 5:34 am

      If that comment by the Aruba minister of justice is accurate, that too should be brought to the attention of U.S. authorities who are in a position to issue a travel warning against Aruba. Blaming the Internet for the inability of Aruba’s police to solve any crimes illustrates a certain mind-set. Our people ought not to be at the mercy of such idiots.

    77. SUPER DAVE on January 10th, 2007 8:34 am

      rudolph: you forgot to mention that if you are an underage girl in aruba , you have to live with the possibility of being gang raped by your fellow students at school. and you also get to have this on film! you bunch of PERVERTS !

    78. Crioyo (in Aruba) on January 10th, 2007 8:43 am

      72. this is the first i hear about the site..
      no idea. haven’t heard anything. Alex Mathew (fighter?) is known to be pretty agressive and got himself in jail after commiting ”multiple beatings” over a period of time. Then he was in jail I guess the guards and him got in a row and hit him too hard. Something like that. Haven’t heard about him in years. Nice initiative.

      73. He does. Well if that’s his name, then yes.
      Last summer I saw him in his van driving behind me for a few moments then he turned left while I drove straight ahead @ CMB Bank in Oranjestad.
      Never seen him since. The same ugly colored van sm has a picture of and yes his face is just as blurry through your rear view mirror as on the sm pic. Though i’ve never ever seen that van on the property in Savaneta where he’s supposed to live. Guess he never ever leaves it outside the closed garage?

      74. I’ve got a few more days left..we’ll see…seen nobody in the past 3 weeks though. Other than that dj, Steve i think, in carlos n charlies.

    79. Richard on January 10th, 2007 9:18 am

      New story just out today; all writers of letters to Sec’y of State Rice, et al, please take notice.

      A New Jersey businessman has been reported missing on the Caribbean island of Saba. It’s a small, little populated place, apparently, but the article referred to the Dutch authorities, so it must be in the Netherlands Antilles.

      One interesting fact (I hope SM posts the article): the man’s friends, who went to the island later to search, asked if they could put up “missing person” posters.

      The reply? No, you cannot … IT WOULD BE BAD FOR TOURISM.

      More ammunition against the Dutch, and against their reign.

    80. dennisintn on January 10th, 2007 10:43 am

      #79, richard, i’m with you. i’d like to keep up with this one too.

    81. Big Lou on January 10th, 2007 11:48 am

      Patti: IMO anyone who goes to Aruba or on a cruise is asking for trouble. You can ask Beth about Aruba or George Smith’s family about cruises. They are both very dangerous. Why one would go on either one is beyond me. Maybe you just feel LUCKY. What ever the reason you go I wish you GOOD LUCK.

    82. Patti on January 10th, 2007 12:19 pm

      Big Lou:

      To be truthful with you, I have not been on a cruise in the Carribean since 2001. I did go on a cruise of the Hawaiian islands… does that count?

      Smiles to you and thanks for the advise… I hear ya!

      Boycot Aruba
      Justice for Natalee

    83. Richard on January 10th, 2007 12:36 pm

      There’s a Web site run by a very knowledgeable person, cruisebruise I think it’s called.

      If that’s not right, play around with it a bit.

      Take a look … you’ll never dare go NEAR a cruise ship again, if ever you did.

    84. Big Lou on January 10th, 2007 12:59 pm

      Thanks Patti!
      Richard: Great website. Everyone should read this. I know I will NEVER take my family on a cruise. Why take the risk?

    85. MF on January 10th, 2007 1:50 pm

      Crioyo, you must remind everyone that you do not speak for the people of Aruba, you are just giving opinions, gossips and many times unfounded facts…. hope you do not think you are like Milton Ponson, speaking in name of Arubans.

      I see you are using AVP/DIARIO facts about Prime Minister’s salary… hope your friends don’t get mad at you for your lie. The Prime Minister has the same salary as any Minister of less than 15.000 a months, just 4.000 more than a parlament member. The payslip DIARIO publishe with the 68.000 was a backpay that many politician got from what was owned to them for years in service prior to the Status Aparte etc. Too bad that DIARIO did not publish the one of the Eman’s… the exact amount.

      My heart also goes to the family of Camilo… too bad that DIARIO did not respect the family and posted his picture of him hanging on front page. And before you start a rumor, no, he is not connected to the lady of Tele-Aruba. They both had their personal problems. At least respect that.

      Crioyo, unlike Patty’s believe, you are not a smart person, just a gossiper. And I do respect Milton’s sexual orientation. The kid that was beaten to death in front of Carlos ‘n Charlies was not beaten to death. All witnesses expressed that when the guy that was pushed on the floor when he wanted to stop a fight between the vistim and another person and stood up again, he punched the victim once and he felt on the ground and broke his neck on the side of the trottoir.

      Secondly, the lady that according to DIARIO and the e-mail form Patty to CNN, is not true, the press only discovered that the lady and that minister had a secret relationship. The lady went to the radio and cries that she still has not gotten the gift his ‘rapist’ has promised her after he ‘raped’ her.

      And Crioyo it was not said to stop posting on the internet… we all know that around 10 people from the island post on these sites. But people like you that give false information or just negative to support your agenda are used by those who are ignorants or just do not know more than they are told as facts. And they will thank you and ask you to come back.

      BTW, the remarks about calling millitant of the MEP to defend the Parlament building and the politicians, came AFTER the AVP party called their millitants via radio CANAL 90 and supporter by the radio host Stanley Arends, to beat up the Ministers, Governor and to put their houses on fire based on false information regarding the new indirect sales taxes. The radio got a warning and so did the radio host from the authorities.

      Too bad only one side of the story is told for abvious purposes.


      SM:   And WHO ARE YOU to speak for Arubans?   Everyone that posts here is posting his or her own opinion, we all realize that.   Why should we believe what you say over Crioyo?   (klaasend)

    86. nychic on January 10th, 2007 2:45 pm

      To MF:
      (once again I will assume your initials stand for…)

      Crioyo has always posted some very honest and open opinions here – I am one who can appreciate that – too bad you feel so threatened by his intelligence –

      Didn’t you love the information about bribery and those running for political office ? (post #70 if you missed it)

    87. Sandy on January 10th, 2007 4:08 pm

      Crioyo: Would you be associated with the radio station or restaurant? Do you know which restaurant Camielio Romero died at?

    88. Sharon Chicago on January 10th, 2007 4:53 pm

      ANY feedback coming in at all from Holland on the investigation of Natalee’s murder?…is it a closed case or what? Any body know the latest?

    89. super dave on January 10th, 2007 5:36 pm

      Crioyo never said that he spoke for all arubans.#85 if the truth hurts you must be feeling some guilt. we only ask for the truth and all we get is lies. lies from day one form your island . put your daughter in Natalee’s place and think how it would feel. i think you would be demanding some truthful answers and a stronger investigation of the known stalkers of young female tourists. remember these words “we’ve dont it at least 20 times”.

    90. MF on January 10th, 2007 6:11 pm

      Thanks Klaasend, it’s all I wanted to make clear.

    91. Crioyo on January 10th, 2007 6:12 pm


      No no no association whatsoever. Crioyo was just the first name to come to mind.

      I’m bad with names btw. Who was Camilo Romero again?

      hmmm..when a minister turns 45 they have right to pension.
      Nel Oduber gets multiple kinds of pension.
      Pension because he was in ”ministerraad”, because he was in aruban parliament, and also because he was in Antillian parliament before status aparte.

      Even if he got ”special amounts” on that particular payslip, which I doubt, he still gets a whole lot more than 15,000 which is the base salary for all ministers… 68,000 isn’t the point though, the point is he’ll be the last to feel any heat. and it’s just my opinion.

      never said the cameraman was connected to the telearuba incident. just a random thought i expressed, and i said i had no idea.

      all reports i read were that the guy got hit and died. i guess you were right there as it happened. or heard some gossip elsewhere? not that it matters really. there was a fight and somebody died.

      oh hey.. i heard rudy on top 95. that’s what i heard him say. he also refered to those posting on sites and also the rainbow warriors etc etc….maybe our ears capture different frequencies…

      “…..the remarks about calling millitant of the MEP to defend the Parlament building and the politicians, came AFTER the AVP party called their millitants via radio CANAL 90 and supporter by the radio host Stanley Arends, to beat up the Ministers, Governor and to put their houses on fire based on false information regarding the new indirect sales taxes. The radio got a warning and so did the radio host from the authorities……”

      Does this sound like normal acceptable behaviour to you?
      Sounds pretty childish to me.
      Because I don’t like mep doesn’t mean I’m avp. I’m for common sense. There seems to be very little going around.

      i’m just speaking for myself, my ideas and opinions, thoughts…you should re-read what I said when you get the chance before accusing me of anything. you might find yourself being the one that’s biased here.

    92. Patti on January 10th, 2007 7:05 pm

      So…. M.F.:

      What the ?!?!?!??!?????

      It sounds like you are the one that is spreading the gossip, or perhaps you are just one more Aruban that is
      happy eating his bread and drinking his kool-aid while
      being spoon-fed pig-shit.

      First of all, no one on your island files rape charges.
      It wouldn’t surprise me to find that your island doesn’t
      even HAVE a law against rape, as it appears from looking at
      your records either the victims are ran off the island or

      But, you want us to believe that a girl who has the balls
      to file charges against a minister was nothing more than a
      secret affair that got dissed by not receiving a gift that
      she was promised? Well, if that don’t beat all! I wonder
      how long it took Oduber and Company to come up with that

      And as if that weren’t enough, you want us to believe that
      this girl, that had this long secret affair with a minister,
      was also a prostitute, too? Gee… and all that tadoo over
      a gift that was promised to her for her services?

      Hey!!! This just keeps getting better and better.

      I want to know, please do tell, where do you come up with
      this stuff?

      Oh… and then we have the opposing political party calling
      THEIR militants to attack Mr. Odubers house??? Wow!!!!
      You guys really know how to live, don’t ya. You have all
      these miliants everywhere, people have their own armies and
      not one of them could find Natalee?

      But, please do tell – Why do private people on your little
      tiny private island in the middle of the Carribean do with
      these private armies? And why is everything so private,

      Do you have any idea how hard it is to find out something as
      simple as the number of suicides you have on your island
      each year? Suicides! Another form of death that most
      countries include in their statistics… and where are yours? You want us to believe that you have this perfectly
      happy island, while your people are hanging themselves in
      the streets? Oh well, he had problems… How the hell do
      you know that? How do you know that he wasn’t murdered?

      We all know that there is a private campaign going on in
      your country, right now, to keep people from talking about
      the Natalee Holloway case and all the things that it stands
      for, namely, Truth, Justice, Liberty and Freedom.

      But that’s okay, MF, we don’t need to know all about Aruba
      from Arubans, we can just look at the things that Oduber
      does and know that you are living in a state of 21st Century
      communism with a little slavery to boot without any clue of
      the truth about the things that are happening around you,
      much less, the four things that I just mentioned.

      And please, do tell, MF, how are you aware of the number of
      people that post here from Aruba? Ten – do you also know
      their names and the political party that they support?

      You know, M.F., we have a saying here and that is you should
      believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. But
      in your case, I just wouldn’t believe anything, if I were
      you…. especially if it comes from Oduber and his camp.

      They are the liars, not you, for you only know as much as
      you are told and the sooner you realize that the better off
      you’re gonna be.

      Here’s to Truth

      Here’s to Justice

      Here’s to Liberty

      And last but not least:

      Here’s to Freedom

      We got you covered, Baby, you just don’t know what you’re


      Boycott, Aruba!!!

    93. Media Freak on January 10th, 2007 8:10 pm

      Hi Patty,

      You can believe anything you want, we can see you do so.
      MF means as it has always meant: Media Freak. Some who has dirty minds, think different though. You do not have to believe, and I am sure you will post that.

      Crioyo, you are absolutely right about politics on the island, it’s childish. All politicians are the same. But just wanted to remind you that every story has another side. Like the case of the militans, very pathetic and fanatic; calling to burn down people’s houses and beat up people, and the other side of the story, the same calling… what happened? Men caught with gas ready to burn down the Governor’s House and at the other side, they burnt down Otmar’s Harley (AVP).

      All politicians are the same, we talk about the money that Oduber received that was owed to him, at the other hand, there was a list of other politicians that received the same.

      Yes, the case of the guy in front of CnC was an accident, eventhough so, the one that committed this will be prosecuted and can face years in prison.

      If you are AVP or not, I did imply that, but that you used their information to attack a government, just like I would not use MEP’s information to attack AVP. They might be fighting in public, but when they are alone, they are one happy family. It’s all politics.

      Regarding the lady that had a relationship with the minister, I did not call her a prostitute… that she went on radio and said that she waited for a gift, does not mean that she was a prositute, just the minister’s special friend I guess. And I totally respect that. But anyway, I didn’t expect for some to read that in my posting, but some people only read what they want to read.

      BTW, statistics for suicide cases in Aruba for 2006 = 9.

    94. Patti on January 10th, 2007 8:20 pm

      I’m sorry… I just can’t believe that someone is going to come here talking about a rape victim in Aruba, when everybody knows that girls that are raped and live through it don’t report it because they are either afraid of retaliation or are afraid of being belittled and chastised by the very people that are there to protect them.

      I’ve been to Aruba, before Natalee, and I’ve seen their culture first hand – its is a much worse than any machismo that you hear of in Puerto Rico or any place that I have ever been.

      MF doesn’t tell you that there is so much theft that many storekeepers have locks on their doors so they can check you out before letting you into their shop. She doesn’t tell you that there are two classes of people: The haves and the have nots that spew more hatred and contempt toward each other that it makes this board look like a cake-walk. She doesn’t tell you how many people you can see lying on the streets, with no place to go, out cold from their drug addictions. She doesn’t tell you about the crack houses, the street walkers nor the touchy feely rooms that are filled with people (male and female, old and young)… slaves that they ship in from Columbia and Venezuela. No, she just wants us to believe that its perfectly okay for a minister to have secret affairs and dealings with prostitutes, afterall, they are bought and paid for… and they are bought and sold on and off that island every single day.

      People ask: What’s wrong with Aruba

      I say: THAT’s what’s wrong with Aruba

    95. 2amforsure on January 10th, 2007 9:08 pm

      #79 – I can’t believe it… Saba? Been there many times, it’s so friendly, so quiet. Yes, it is in Netherlands Antilles, but find it so hard to believe they would act like this. I go there to simply relax, read, hike and talk to the locals; no beaches, no nightlife, etc. I feel safe there even traveling alone, as I have many times, they don’t even lock their doors. please say it ain’t so!! Have even thought of retiring there, but if this is the case I guess forget that thought.

    96. Linda on January 10th, 2007 9:25 pm

      Patti..I’m sorry..but I’ve been to Puerto Rico a lot of times for work..I love the island and people..but crime is way much worse there then in Aruba..San Juan is nice..but please don’t go to the villages where the gangs are hanging on the street..police everywhere.
      Locks on the door?? In puerto Rico the houses are build with complete cages around it..for theft etc..
      About the Drug Addicts lying on the street..If you have been to know that we do not have that much Drug addicts on the street..I’m sure its not more than In Puerto Rico..thats why Aruba has still a lot of tourist..
      I’m not trying to protect Aruba..I Know things went wrong here..but we have to stay realistic here..
      You are still here to help Beth to get answers..Bashing Aruba is really not helping anybody!!

    97. Richard on January 10th, 2007 9:36 pm

      The central problem that we people who frequent this blog face is trying to find out what happened to Natalee Holloway and sharing ideas to induce the Aruban government to provide answers.

      As I said before, I’m not appointed to be a spokesman for anyone … but I don’t see the value of throwing dirt at one poster or another. Let people have their say, so long as it pertains to the issue at hand.

      We are ALL supposed to be WORKING TOGETHER.

    98. Patti on January 10th, 2007 10:37 pm


      When I referred to Puerto Rico, I was referring to machismo. As far as the drugs and the locks, cages, etc. I assure you that Puerto Rico is much worse than Aruba, but Puerto Rico is much larger and has many more inhabitants… both islands have much the same problems on a different scale. I am not knocking Aruba nor the people of Aruba…
      only their government. I have friends that live in Puerto Rico.

      I believe in common sense and my common sense tells me that
      the Aruban Government is not truthful with its people. I support the boycott of Aruba… with all my heart. I feel bad for the people of Aruba because I know that the ones to really suffer are the “people” more so than any government official.

      If Puerto Rico would have kicked out the drug dealers as they had the opportunity to do a long time ago, Puerto Rico would be, by far, the most beautiful island in the Carribean.

      When you have a government that supports and defends drug dealers, rapists and murderers, you got nothing.

    99. Patti on January 10th, 2007 11:09 pm


      Given the choice of Aruba or Puerto Rico?

      Definately Puerto Rico! It has a judicial system that
      works, besides they are fighting corruption, not making
      excuses for it.

      Justice for Natalee

    100. Sharon/TX on January 12th, 2007 12:58 pm

      I think about Amy Bradley and wonder if there were “spotters” on the ship. I think about Dave and what he said in his book about the phone service in Aruba and how they seemed one step ahead of him. I wonder if the computer systems are somehow “one step ahead” also. I would not feel safe in a place that I wonder so much about. My prayers are with Beth, Dave and Natalee.

    101. Richard on January 12th, 2007 4:24 pm

      Sharon, here’s a news snippet from the front page of today’s (Jan. 12) Wall Street Journal:

      French police arrested Russian billionaire and Norilsk Nickel CEO Prokhorov, suspected of running a prostitution ring at an Alpine resort.

      (end of brief)

      So a top company official and a billionaire is involved with this sort of thing (which must involve ties to drug lords as well) in Switzerland?

      If something like this can happen in Switzerland, then what protection is there from it in Aruba? Or from someone being snatched?

    102. Sharon/TX on January 13th, 2007 7:39 am

      Very interesting Richard! Sure it can happen in Aruba – just look at the Carauna-Cuntreras scandal in the 80′s and 90′s – right there in Aruba. Keep up the good work SM! Women need to be careful. Oh and back to Amy, where else but a cruise ship does the bartender have access to your room key? Not that it was used in this case, but it could be. We need to be very careful in this day and age.

    103. Kafka on February 10th, 2007 11:27 am


      quote from #92:while your people are hanging themselves in
      the streets? Oh well, he had problems…

      “CHICAGO — New government figures show a surprising increase in youth suicides after a decade of decline, and some mental health experts think a drop in use of antidepressant drugs may be to blame.

      The suicide rate climbed 18 percent from 2003 to 2004 for Americans under age 20, from 1,737 deaths to 1,985. Most suicides occurred in older teens, according to the data _ the most current to date from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

      Suicides were the only cause of death that increased for children through age 19 from 2003-04, according to a CDC report released Monday.


      a lot of youngsters in the US have experienced these kind of problems I see. I think you should talk about this problem with a little bit more compassing IMO.

    104. Scared Monkeys on July 8th, 2007 10:18 pm

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    105. R on August 31st, 2007 10:37 pm

      Aruba Rocks,very safe and very fun…nice weather….find something to do with your lives instead of spending hours posting stupidness.Get a girl a man or a job….One Happy Island…ALWAYS!!

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