Kalpoe Family Denied Texas EquuSearch From Searching Around Their House

 

Looks like everyone in Aruba may not be cooperating with the investigation. Makes one wonder why innocent people would not allow the search crews to look near their property. What do they have to hide?

Kalpoe Family Denied Texas Equusearch From Searching Around Their House (DIARIO 30 June 2005 page 3) [no byline]

The Texas Equusearch team came to Aruba, on request of the family Holloway, to try to locate Natalee who has been missing exactly 1 month today.

The Texas Equusearch Group received all cooperation from Aruba, so that they can use their expertise in search. They are going in various areas under the sea, but they are also using specially trained dogs to cover the areas around the dams that are around on Aruba.

Aruba definitely gave the Texas Equusearch group a big welcome.

However, unfortunately the group received a no welcome at the house of the Kalpoe family at Hooiberg.

DIARIO was also present, when on Wednesday, 12 noon, the Texas Equusearch team was in the area and was doing a search around the house. That way, the search can be done quickly and if there is nothing found, it can be deduced that there is nothing to be found.

But when they went to knock on the door of the Kalpoe family, [Texas Equusearch] received a You-Are-Not-Welcome-Here attitude. The mother of Satish and Deepak came out, and denied the Texas Equusearch team access on her property. Not even when they explained to her in a well-mannered way that the search would only make it clear that there was ‘nothing’ there, the denial stayed.

The Texas Equusearch group showed surprise by this attitude. They were not expecting to be denied access for this search.

CONTINUING THE SEARCH

But still the group searched in that area. They also checked two dams that were close to Indian Rock Garden [place that you can rent for parties - - - Arubagirl]. Besides that, they searched also in the area of the Canashito Dam, in [the] Graveyard [I think they mean the old Protestant graveyard at Canashito - - - Arubagirl], and are using GPS system to trace their steps. They will keep on looking today.

DIARIO was made to understand that the Texas Group, already reduced their personnel from the 27 that they arrived with. About a 1/3 went back to Texas, including 5 experts in Scuba-Diving. The rest will perhaps stay until this Sunday. [I don't know if 'the rest' refers to scuba experts or the whole group ---arubagirl]

The summary of the rest of the article …
[The rest of the article deals with the interview of the security guard on Fox News, as well as Beth Twitty's statement that her suspicions were based on Paul van der Sloot's excessive sweating while sitting underneath a fan]

Special Hat Tip to Aruba Girl for translation and back ground info as well.

Update:
Also as we were reminded yesterday in an email from “K.K.” that it would be helpful if you would remind your bloggers that Texas EquuSearch is still in need of donations. Please remember that Texas EquuSearch is a non-profit organization and in order for the search crews to stay there they do need our help.

One of their representatives informed me that their daily costs in Aruba for housing and feeding their volunteers is over $2000.00 per day. In addition, the airlines so far have not offered any more discounted fares or complimentary seats. This is a huge financial drain as well.

My husband and I work for a major carrier and donated some “buddy passes” to help them out with travel costs but they need other assistance too.

Posted June 30, 2005 by
Natalee Holloway | 804 comments


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  • Comments

    804 Responses to “Kalpoe Family Denied Texas EquuSearch From Searching Around Their House”

    1. mrperfect on June 30th, 2005 12:53 pm

      why the hell would they leave if they haven’t found anything wouldn’t they keep seaching ?

    2. FYI on June 30th, 2005 12:56 pm

      Someone said early on, [Cannibalism] , that maybe they [kalpoe's] ate her. Possibly, may not be too far from the truth….things that make ya hmmmm…..

    3. mrperfect on June 30th, 2005 12:59 pm

      yea well you would think if there is no sign of her or any of her items then either that or they shipped her body somewhere ?

    4. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:00 pm

      wow…this is rather large news! you would think they would want to cooperate!

    5. mrperfect on June 30th, 2005 1:00 pm

      yea and why is most of the search team leavin ?

    6. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:02 pm

      Only the guilty have something to hide!!

    7. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:02 pm

      they are volunteers and would have to go back to work maybe? maybe fresh people are going to replace them? plus it was mentioned up top they still need donations, maybe the funds got low.

    8. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:06 pm

      yeah, at $2,000/day, I’d imagine it wouldn’t take long.

    9. oh my god this is soooo.... on June 30th, 2005 1:10 pm

      …boring

    10. mrperfect on June 30th, 2005 1:12 pm

      that’s all they get is 2,000 per day ?

    11. Dman on June 30th, 2005 1:12 pm

      If the Kalpoe brothers are suspects why would not the Aruban polis get a search warrent to allow equusearch to search their home for evidence…have the VDSs cooperated with equusearch?

    12. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:12 pm

      they need to re-arrest bastard van der sloot again, what the F*&k are they doing

    13. MACK on June 30th, 2005 1:13 pm

      What were the results of the search of the “pond”? there were hits by the dogs The media doesn’t have too much to say about the search team.
      I am still hopefully that they will find something!

    14. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:13 pm

      … “One of their representatives informed me that their daily costs in Aruba for housing and feeding their volunteers is over $2000.00 per day.” …

    15. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      Any new news?

    16. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      BhamNativeGirl they are simply buying time. They have no evidence, they have no reason to hold the boys past this current detainment.

    17. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:15 pm

      2000/day wasted….
      .
      I think they are actually sponsored by Gerardo and the Foxnews.
      .
      Why don’t you all spend 1 dollar for every speculation and hype you put on this board? I think they will have enough money to buy the island, kick everyone off and turn it upside down. Like for real and like yeah.

    18. San on June 30th, 2005 1:16 pm

      If the Kalpie brothers are suspects in this case, can’t they get a search warrant from the Prosecutor’s office to search the premesis with the assistant of the local police. This would show proof that the local authorities are in fact cooperating.

    19. UMA PEMMARAGU on June 30th, 2005 1:16 pm

      Call me crazy, but there is something about Deepak’s eyes. From the first photograph they released of him with Juron and the younger brother, I got the heebie jeebies.

    20. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:17 pm

      you are crazy

    21. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:18 pm

      mack-i think nothing came of the quarry because the ‘hit’ was cell phone/media interference.

    22. UMA PEMMARAGU on June 30th, 2005 1:19 pm

      but you can call me Uma, De Beer……

    23. San on June 30th, 2005 1:19 pm

      They all have crazy eyes.

    24. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      no seriously. you are crazy.
      .
      but hey, good news. there are many of you on this board!

    25. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      crazy crazy eyes

    26. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 1:21 pm

      I donated $30 to Equusearch already. Not much, but all I can afford coming off surgery and missing some work days. I will donate more to this effort next payday.
      Obviously investigative procedures work differently in Aruba, but I’m sorry…this case has been grossly mishandled. No point in going on about it now, though. Too little, too late. Good luck to all of you more directly involved there in Aruba; there really is value and worth to the cocnern and support you’ve shown the Holloways. let’s just hope that this case will eventually (maybe years later) be solved and that people will be more cautious when abroad and who knows? Maybe this will inspire people who have missing loved ones to keep trying, keep asking questions, stay strong. At this point I think we might as well start looking for silver linings…

    27. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:26 pm

      I have copied all your inputs from this board and I am going to bundle it all in two books, named: The Holloway Speculations 1 & 2.
      .
      Would you be so kind to let me know if you will not give me your right to publish your input?
      .
      All royalties go to my bank account. There is no way I am going to share my earnings with you guys or with anyone involved in this terrible case.
      .
      I think I am gonna be a rich as JK Rowling.
      .
      AGAIN: LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU DO NOT GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO PUBLISH YOUR INPUT ON THIS BOARD! If not, I will go ahead with my publishing house.
      .
      Thanks and… I love you guys. Now all hug.

    28. Compananzi on June 30th, 2005 1:28 pm

      I was kinda suspicious as the Mother said that Deepak finished work at 11 pm that Sunday. However the sign on Cybercafe said hours of Operation of the store is 2pm-10pm. If she is wrong on this item, if Satish picks up Deepak, would he not leave home at say around 9.45. telling his mother ‘weekly’ I’m picking up Deepak? Would she know that on Sunday is the only exception where Deepak works till 10pm instead of 11pm. Giving the benefit of doubt that she could have been faulty in her memory, would she be cooperative with the Texas Equusearch? One could argue perhaps all the worrying, and lack of sleep makes her irratable perhaps? Or that because the sons are accused she would feel alone and lashes out to people that may want to implicated some more evidence.. I do not know. (and Yes I do argue with my self alot.)..

    29. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:31 pm

      Compananzi, what’s up with the spider name?

    30. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:31 pm

      Where are all the other regulars at today?

    31. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 1:32 pm

      Compananzi, I have the feeling in Caribbean countries they dont quit working strictly on the minute.
      Deepak works at an internet cafe. Maybe he didnt want to pressure his customers?

    32. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:33 pm

      kewl. so far everyone likes me to publish the book. thanks for your tremendous support.

    33. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:33 pm

      CountryMoon, probably having lunch or so, I’m sure they’ll be back.

    34. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:34 pm

      Country Moon – I’m from Cahaba Heights.

    35. dude-aah on June 30th, 2005 1:35 pm

      UMA — did you even find out about Lorenzo?

    36. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:35 pm

      De Beer, No. And I say that on behalf of all the regulars who I know for sure would not agree to your pathetic terms…even if they are just a joke. If you want support go to Saks 5th Avenue and buy a push up bra.

    37. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 1:36 pm

      Hi Country! We all got booted off another board when it got too full.

    38. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:37 pm

      Bham thats awesome. Bama baby!

    39. Enough is Enough on June 30th, 2005 1:38 pm

      Based on the types of posts seen on the previous thread, I hope when they come back, they will act like adults and not a bunch of children. Billy said this, Tommy said that, who cares. This is for Natalee, not cliques and those who are offended by them.

      Does the Dutch legal process have Search Warrants? There has to be a way to get to that house to search around it when an owner says no to a search request.

    40. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 1:38 pm

      DeBeer you’re not funny. You cannot publish any of anyone I’ve spoken to’s input, or mine. Go figure that one out.

    41. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:38 pm

      Compananzi, are you from Aruba?

    42. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      country moon…
      .
      only think for yourself.
      .
      let that be a lesson for all of you.
      .
      now I have to go swimming.
      .
      hugs and kisses.

    43. vander F on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      I want a copy deBeer!
      Paperback?
      Enneh, wat mot dat kosten?

    44. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      Enough~ I sure hope so.

    45. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      @Enough is Enough , unfortunatley, that seems to be just about all the knowledge you’ll get from this boards. Sad world we live in!

    46. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      I’m here!

    47. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      Enough – I thought I read that they searched around it anyway. Does anyone know how far off the search dog has to be to sense something? County – good one with the bra comment. But is this really the same sweet you?

    48. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      I live in Florida now :( I’m homesick…I lived there for 10 years, went to Shades Valley. :)

    49. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:40 pm

      Ya think maybe Papa Vds told moma Kalpoe these cowboys ain’t the law so you don’t have to let them search your house?

    50. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:40 pm

      I live in Florida now :( I’m homesick…I lived there for 10 years, went to Shades Valley. :)

    51. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:40 pm

      Da Beer don’t let the lead in your head cause you to drown. Ciao!

    52. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:40 pm

      Enough, yes the Dutch law has search warrants, they have to be signed by a judge and there has to be evidence to get it.

    53. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:40 pm

      I’m here now too

    54. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:41 pm

      Yes, Dutch law has search warrants. But they can only be used when there is enough evidance or suspicion.
      And why should the Kalpoe family let a bunch of American Cowboys on their property? I know i wouldnt.

    55. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      ***De Beer International from Europe Says:

      June 30th, 2005 at 1:15 pm
      2000/day wasted….
      .
      I think they are actually sponsored by Gerardo and the Foxnews.
      .
      Why don’t you all spend 1 dollar for every speculation and hype you put on this board? I think they will have enough money to buy the island, kick everyone off and turn it upside down. Like for real and like yeah.***

      Or better yet, why don’t YOU, DeBeer…collect 1 dollar for everytime you use common sense and courtesy! Why the hell are you here? No life, still??

    56. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      Sorry, you can only post a new comment once every 15 seconds. Slow down cowboy.

    57. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      Yay Jake and Rachael! Time for a 3-hour lunch Jake.

    58. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      Hey Jake any new info today?

    59. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      Trisha its us. We are all just so frustrated today. All the excuses are getting really stale. We were on one post this morning just observing and a person made a comment about Nat that made one of us literally throw up. No respect.

    60. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      VanderF.
      .
      Ik schat zo’n â‚ ¬19,85 bij de betere boekhandel. Wil je hem gesigneerd?
      .
      The first 20,000 who order my book The Holloway Speculation 1 & 2 will receive a signed copy.
      .
      Trisher — dont worry. your comments suck arse, so nobody will miss them.
      .
      Now hug everyone.

    61. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:42 pm

      Can’t (or won’t) LE force the issue and override the Kalpoes wishes, since their sons are suspects in this case? Sure seems like they have something to hide. Wonder if that’s what Mickey meant by “the family” — not just the VdS family, but the Kalpoes as well?

    62. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:43 pm

      I want a 3 hour lunch!

    63. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:43 pm

      I wonder when my Hope for Natalee bracelets will arrive. I ordered two of them two days ago.

    64. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:44 pm

      @Country Moon, our prayers are with you, Natalee and her family! God Speed.

    65. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:44 pm

      I like a copy de Beer :-)

    66. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:44 pm

      Who doesn’t want a three hour lunch?

    67. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:44 pm

      Trisher-I Can’t take a 3-hour lunch break today! :(

    68. vander F on June 30th, 2005 1:45 pm

      @deBeer,
      Uiteraard gesigneerd,
      dit wordt een topper, gegarandeerd omgezet naar een tv-serie van 376 afleveringen.
      Iets voor Talpa?

    69. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:45 pm

      Annamarie that could very well be true as well and speaking of family where is the Kalpoe dad?

    70. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:45 pm

      anna-you may be on to something there…regarding the family comment.

      does anyone know if the le had already searched around the house? or just inside.

    71. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:46 pm

      Kristin-SC I was told that there has been a lot of feed back from concerned people all over the world requesting bracelets and sending emails. That is awesome everyone. Continue to let Mrs. Twitty know she has the support and I am telling you that lady will continue on her search forever if she has to.

    72. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:46 pm

      @vander F
      Just phone with John. He is considering taking over scaredmonkeys

    73. Kristin on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      Country,
      How do you feel about all the accusations going towards Nat’s ex boyfriend???

    74. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      where again do you go to order them?

    75. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      @ MOM, truce?

      @ De Beer you do not have permission to use anything I post in your so called book.

      Since a judge has to sign a search warrant, seeing as how the judge seems to be part of this coverup, there is no way he would sign one if it has potential to expose the coverup.

    76. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      Hey MOM-Why don’t you drink De Beer out’a here!!! Let’t all ignore these losers!!!

    77. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      Thank you FYI they are so appreciated.

    78. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      well. uhm… yeah…
      .
      KRISTIN, sorry about the delay. we had some problems with the logistics… damn these truckdrivers!
      .
      I will send you 4 of the bracelets, and I’ll send you a free signed copy of my book The Holloway Speculations Par 2.
      .
      Any of you interested in Save The World from American Idiots? They are running out of stock, it’s a huge hit in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and Latin America.

    79. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      When will the new arrest take place?

    80. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:47 pm

      @vander F: Jij ook weer hier? Lastig he dat dubbele posten, ik zit nu ff hier.

    81. izzy on June 30th, 2005 1:48 pm

      Country Moon — loved your last comment to Da Beer, lol. So sorry you’ve been finding offensive comments about Natalee; I don’t even know her, but this trash Natalee campaign has been getting to me too. I don’t know if riehlworldview.com is one of the sites you usually visit, but Dan Riehl wrote a great “Open Letter to Aruba” to address this.

    82. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:48 pm

      Kristin~ Everyone needs to leave him alone. Wrong road to travel down.

      Hopefloats~ All4Natalee@yahoo.com

    83. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:49 pm

      Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ve solved another mystery while working here….the reason that nutter Vincent van Gogh chopped off his ear? De Beer was sitting on his right side!

    84. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:49 pm

      Annamarie I posted yesterday asking did anyone remember the Kalpoe mom saying the same thing Mickey Johns did but her interview was almost two weeks ago. She did not mention Pvds but she did say” the boys got together and made up the story of the HI” and that she herself and talked to Joran..so when did this happen. You could very well be right in your theory

    85. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 1:50 pm

      Country – you have to ignore the crap, as hard as that is to do.
      Rachael – what new arrest?

    86. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:50 pm

      I hope nobody is considering me one of those losers for I am on my own.

    87. Kristin on June 30th, 2005 1:51 pm

      Okay Country…I never thought that he had anything to do with it.
      Was it really him who was quoted in the National Inquierer? I didn’t think he gave any interviews out, so I figured it was a phony. In the article he said something like, “The last night we were there we were all out on the beach. Nat looked so beautiful as she looked up at the sky and said how lucky we were. Later on we decided to go to Carlos and Charlie’s to celebrate our last night there. I wish I could have done something to prevent this.”
      Did he really say all that?

    88. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:51 pm

      Da Beer you are yet again another prime example of what happens when cousins procreate. I feel sorry for those in your Dutch country having to be mis-represented by such trash as yourself.

    89. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:52 pm

      Don’t you guys know. The Aruban police is scheduling a new arrest for friday!

    90. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:53 pm

      trueDutch, how would you know this?

    91. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 1:53 pm

      AnnaMaria that was the funniest thing I have heard all day…. :-)

    92. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:53 pm

      Keep typing Stef. This is a discussion board with the occassional interruptions of babble from those with the intellect of tree bark.

    93. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:53 pm

      To ALL.
      .
      John IS taking over Scared Monkeys!
      .
      He thinks he can produce a new Magnum PI kinda tv program, which will make him even richer.
      .
      Check it all out at http://www.geenstijl.nl
      .
      Buy my book before all the rights are owned by John as well.
      .
      Now all hug.

    94. Kristin on June 30th, 2005 1:53 pm

      Is it going to be Lorenzo maybe arrested?

    95. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:53 pm

      thanks Country /hug

    96. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      Kristin who is Lorenzo, I have never heard of Lorenzo!!!Anybody??????

    97. BhamNativeGirl on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      Country – where in Bham are they selling the bracelets? I will be back there at the end of July. Do they only have them at the Western in Mtn Brook??

    98. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      hopefloats has started.
      .
      now all hug.

    99. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      No, they are going to arrest a guy named Geraldo or something like that

    100. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      LMAO @ AnnaMarie

      Kristin – No prob; I replied to your email. Thank you. TRUCE.

      Jake: Okay, I will try to ignore *bites lip & crosses fingers*

    101. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      lorenzo is the late night party at his house guy, isn’t he? the one with the blue van?

    102. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      He might have Kristin, I am not his side kick, and have not spoken to him in a while. He is a sincere person.

    103. Kristin on June 30th, 2005 1:55 pm

      lorenzo is supposedly joran’s half brother, and a major drug dealer. who knows if thats even true.

    104. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 1:55 pm

      Da Beer–It is quite apparent that u are starved for attention as u are obviously provoking a reaction from us to satisfy your need for any human interaction, whether it be positive or negative. Truth be told u are probably a lonely soul, & friendless (consequential to your inability to converse with others diplomatically, and your ignorance). Therefore, u taunt, attempt to intimidate, and harass so that u feel that u have some sort of power. Newsflash u don’t. Not only are u most probably an imbecile in the outside world, u are also one on this blog. I find it interesting that if u find us to be so deplorable why u have remained. Could it be b/c otherwise no one else would converse with u—I am sure of it..

    105. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:55 pm

      Hello, Ally. What do you make of the Kalpoe’s refusal to allow the searchers to enter? Hopefloats raised an excellent point about Mrs. Kalpoe admitting the boys made up a story — so perhaps she was in on it too, and that’s what Deepak meant when he told Mickey Johns “the family.” How much do we really know about the Kalpoe boys involvement?

    106. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:55 pm

      I guess I must have missed the whole Lorenzo bit, I have no clue about a blue van either.

    107. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      Country! I wuv you more & more all the time. You are a hoot!

    108. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      Ally.
      .
      Hug?

    109. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      Hey all – esp Jake – I’m going to lunch! See you tomorrow – lol.
      Big HUG from me. HUG HUG HUG

    110. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      “And why should the Kalpoe family let a bunch of American Cowboys on their property? I know i wouldnt.”

      Why not? Does justice and upholding the law not mean anything to you? Seems to be a running theme with the Dutch. Or did you mean that you wouldn’t allow it if you knew you had done nothing wrong? That I could understand.

      I really need to distance myself from this. I’m getting rude and snippy to people…

    111. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      Bham they are all over around here. Everyone has come together to support. Its been awesome. I know you will find one with out any problems.

      Hugs to you too Hope! All you guys are so awesome. Such great support and you can really feel the love.

    112. Puffy Woods & Mase Gumbel on June 30th, 2005 1:57 pm

      Just

      Gimme

      Da

      Light!!!

    113. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:57 pm

      I think Lorenzo is a made up person and all speculation.

      I heard from Fox there was going to be a new arrest.

    114. vander F on June 30th, 2005 1:57 pm

      deBeer is definitely not the biggest moron on this blog,
      it’s crowded with morons and fortune tellers.
      Now back to the case:
      We still have no case…

    115. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:57 pm

      I think the new arrests are going to be Jorans classmates. Remember that just because they arrest them, doesn’t mean they committed a crime. Why don’t they just call it “Bringing them in for questioning”. All of these arrests get confusing, b/c in this country, when someone gets arrested, it usually means they did something wrong!

      Apparently Joran spoke of Natalee the next day in school.

    116. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:58 pm

      CHEERS!!! To Ally (@ DeBeer)

      You GO girl! Damn! You sure can chew ‘em up & spit ‘em out, when needed. WHOO HOO!

    117. Stephanie on June 30th, 2005 1:58 pm

      CountryMoon:

      People were saying earlier that Natalee’s Ex may have come down to Aruba outside of your group and that he changed his flight plans upon returning to the US. Is there any basis to this?

    118. Puffy Woods & Mase Gumbel on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Swimming !!!

    119. stef on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Jake, it seems that because he spoke of her his father told him to be quiet. You know, anything you say can and will be held against you…..

    120. Kristin on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Rach,
      is it on Fox now???

    121. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Dan in TX you go boy! Get in there and tell them!! We told Mrs. Twitty to start using her frustration to fuel her fires from now on and skip the gracefullness. WE WANT NAT BACK NOW!!

    122. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Hi guys,
      Anything new?

    123. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Jake,
      .
      Of course he spoke about her, because he boned her! Even anal, someone was told.
      .
      Or are you not talking about Seymour Butts?

    124. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      Puffy Woods and Mase Gamble—- how old is that name, I see ur a Bad Boys fan, Im sorry your name tickle me

    125. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:59 pm

      jake-you are right. that does get confusing. i know i get excited and hopeful when they do arrest someone. makes me feel like the case is actually going somewhere for a change.

    126. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 2:00 pm

      Who is ‘NAT’?

    127. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:00 pm

      Lorenzo isn’t made up. I think it would be helpful if people would do some reading of previous blogs.

    128. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 2:01 pm

      @Kris: nog vragen?

    129. stef on June 30th, 2005 2:02 pm

      Watcher is this a fact and why don’t we hear about Lorenzo on tv? At least I haven’t.

    130. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:02 pm

      Joran has an older brother.

      Stephanie~ Can not comment. Hold on to not likely though. :)

    131. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:02 pm

      I am also a crack whore

    132. Hope on June 30th, 2005 2:02 pm

      why does this look like a clue
      http://www.vworldwide.com/training/iqmap.htm

    133. De Beer International from Europe on June 30th, 2005 2:02 pm

      NAT is dood, Truedutch.

    134. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:02 pm

      Just do a search from the top of each page. Go to EDIT: then FIND ON THIS PAGE: then type in “blue van” Lorenzo, or whatever.

    135. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:03 pm

      DaBeer,
      Why are you in here? Or is that question too intelligent for you?

    136. stef on June 30th, 2005 2:03 pm

      Watcher, thanks for the info.

    137. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:03 pm

      AnaMaria—I don’t know. WHen I first heard her interview, my gut had told me that she believed that her sons made up the story to cover for Joran. However with Paulus’ obvious political influence and knowledge; I am sure she is just now seeing that this case may possibly not get resloved b/c “there is no body”. Therefore, I believe that she now feels no longer a need to cooperate and if she has a slight of doubt in her mind that her boys are lying, then she will not permit them to search around her house. Remember the initial strategy to get these guys to talk were to pin them against one another….they were scared and each impicating one another. Now I am sure that people have talked to them (parents) and have assured them that they have found nothing to incriminate these boys and now they are confident, once again…I think now that have joined forces again and unfortunately, this case may never be solved.

    138. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:04 pm

      Dan in Tx you are so right!!

    139. Admin on June 30th, 2005 2:04 pm

      De Beer, thanks for your input, someone had to reprezent.

    140. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 2:04 pm

      @de Beer: ah, dat verklaard veel bedankt.

    141. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:04 pm

      Gee, The Aruban LE are just now getting around to talking to Joran’s friends? Hmmm, and they wonder why they come across to the rest of the world as Keystone Kops. What a great idea (for four weeks ago). These guys need to go back to Criminal Justice 101 class.

    142. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:04 pm

      stef, go to last night’s conversation and do a search

      someone is trying to be clever. @@ now *I* have an imposter. :/

    143. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:04 pm

      I like to sniff butts

    144. Puffy Woods & Mase Gumbel on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      Alan Colmes and Greta are being arrested

    145. Very Curious on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      TrueDutch, Are you serious????????

    146. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      Link–still asking what?

    147. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      MomfromMo—thank you, kisses to u, honey!

    148. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      my imposter is making me mad, but butt smells really are interesting

    149. Liz on June 30th, 2005 2:06 pm

      Sure would be nice if the monkeys would monitor these posts and remove the offending ones. Lack of forum monitoring has me considering running my own board, so an open, honest and intelligent conversation can be had… all welcome except the riff raff. Better make that van der riff raff. :)

    150. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:06 pm

      Ally–you’re back!!!
      i sent you a pm yesterday-did you get it?

      Glad to see you back.

    151. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 2:06 pm

      Curious – yes I’am (but de Beer explained it to me)

    152. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:06 pm

      Country-I have to tell you that you are so awesome! You seem like such a well rounded young girl! Your parents have done a good job with you! :)

    153. Arubian on June 30th, 2005 2:06 pm

      Yes! It seems that they have located her!!!!

      Foxnews now!

    154. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:07 pm

      Country Moon and MomfromMO:

      Yeah, I guess you guys care more about Natalee Holloway than anybody else with your fake overdone displays of “love” (yeah right) and concern. (not)

      By the way Mom you sound like a real pig on a lot of your posts (oink).

      The people who care the most about Natalee and all other missing people dont have to proclaim it on a blog every 30 seconds.

      Thank you to all of my supporters, trolls included.

      We need more new bloggers so I think I may send an e-mail link to my master data to liven things up a bit.

      Then again maybe I wont.

      Let me think about it.

    155. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 2:07 pm

      Come to my country and smack my arse. I am loving the American way of sex.

    156. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:07 pm

      Oh boy. You sure can tell school’s out.

    157. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:08 pm

      IS THIS TRUE?

      Arubian Says:

      June 30th, 2005 at 2:06 pm
      Yes! It seems that they have located her!!!!

      Foxnews now!

    158. Arubian on June 30th, 2005 2:09 pm

      Yes!!!! Check it out!!!

    159. TrueDutch-I on June 30th, 2005 2:09 pm

      TrueDutch – Don’t take over my nick, you fuck :-)

    160. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:09 pm

      Did they really find her?

    161. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      Ally, well thought out, really. Good to see you back in true form! It would appear that yet another family is willing to potentially cover-up a crime, making Mrs. Kalpoe appear to be in cahoots, whether she is or not. LE has already been to her house; what could she possibly worry the searchers will find?

    162. MominIL on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      Hi all. I am a regular reader here, but don’t normally post.
      I have a curiosity, however, that I would like throw out. When Mrs. Twitty was at the home of PVDS he was sweating profusely. She also commented that she felt like her daughter had been in that home. Is there any way that Natalee was in or around the home at the time that Mrs. Twitty was there? I just can’t figure why he was SO nervous at that time. I realize the pressure is on, but if he is so sure of himself and the “no body” theory……..what was he so nervous about that day?

    163. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      Arubian–Where are you hearing that?

    164. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      1st:
      Unimpressive. ***yawwwwwn***

      However, I’m sure Watcher will be glad to sniff your butt! That’d keep you occupied, no doubt.

      Better get your head out of the way…Watcher wants to sniff, now.

    165. TrueDutch-I on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      No, they found the shark who found her !

    166. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      Arubian: I’m watching Fox News now, and they are not reporting that!!! What are you watching?

    167. MominIL on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      P.S. I totally believe in a mother’s instinct!

    168. Arubian on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      or not… I dont know.
      .
      Now hug all.

    169. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:10 pm

      First Amendment go catch a clue or two, or go re-hook the air pump back up to your head you are beginning to deflate. Its getting really old.

      We are all here to talk about Nat, a true and great friend. All the imposters and trolls are getting old. I hope you all get what you deserve real soon.

      Nat is a real person here. Everyone needs to cut the crap and the jokes and realize that for 2 freakin seconds. God forbid it was you who is missing…

    170. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:11 pm

      Arubian–WHAT ARE THEY SAYING.. I CAN’T ACCESS FOX.

      JAKE–WHERE ARE YOU??

    171. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:11 pm

      Good to see you Ally and nice post very well put

    172. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:11 pm

      Ally, well thought out, really. Good to see you back in true form! It would appear that yet another family is willing to potentially cover-up a crime, making Mrs. Kalpoe appear to be in cahoots, whether she is or not. LE has already been to her house; what could she possibly worry the searchers will find?

    173. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:11 pm

      Ally, well thought out, really. Good to see you back in true form! It would appear that yet another family is willing to potentially cover-up a crime, making Mrs. Kalpoe appear to be in cahoots, whether she is or not. LE has already been to her house; what could she possibly worry the searchers will find?

    174. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:12 pm

      I think Arubian is bluffing

    175. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:12 pm

      Ally, well thought out, really. Good to see you back in true form! It would appear that yet another family is willing to potentially cover-up a crime, making Mrs. Kalpoe appear to be in cahoots, whether she is or not. LE has already been to her house; what could she possibly worry the searchers will find?

    176. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:12 pm

      Hi, Kris—yes, I am back…Lucy talked me to my senses…and I couldn’t stay away from u guys…you have become part of my day… :-) Got your message, thank you ; it was very sweet. I needed that b/c I was so angry yesterday…..Glad to be back all!!
      Missed u all. :-) xoxo

    177. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:13 pm

      ARUBIAN–THIS IS NOT FUNNY

    178. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:13 pm

      Jake thank you I think you guys are awesome as well. Loving all the support and attention Nat is getting. This needs to stay public and in the air as much as possible until she is home.

    179. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:13 pm

      CountryMoon, I would like your take on what you think happened. Do you think Nat is still alive?

    180. MEATBALLHEAD on June 30th, 2005 2:13 pm

      MOMFROM MO – don’t you have a baby to take care of?!?

    181. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:13 pm

      Please don’ post rumors. There’s too many already. Arubian??? Please share!

    182. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:13 pm

      Jake: you are a brown nosed, knee pad wearing homo.

      AllyinMiami: you live and work in the armpit of Florida (just got mugged the other day -how come I’m not surprised).

      Liz: you are an asshole, start your own blog so we can find and infest it.

      Imagine if these (very few) boring warm and fuzzies got their way on censoring the boards?

      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ *yawn*

      Hats off to Red and Tom – great blog

    183. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:14 pm

      glad you came back ally….

    184. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:14 pm

      Hey all……..

      Seems like a lot of crap on here from the idiots already…1st and De Beer..

    185. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:14 pm

      Just glad you are back.

      County–how is the fundraising going? Do you have pictures posted somewhere from last Saturday.
      We will do what we can to keep this in the public eye. Natalee needs to go home!

    186. Very Curious on June 30th, 2005 2:15 pm

      There is no proof that the Kalpoe brothers dropped them off, right? From 1:00 when leaving Carlos and Charlies until whenever is really the timeline because a phone call or text message does not necessarily prove your whereabouts. People are saying there was only 1/2 hour of opportunity but I fail to see the proof of the timeline. They all lied so why wouldn’t the times be lies also? Am I missing something? They say they were seen at 2:00 am washing their car. Is that proven?

    187. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:15 pm

      Meatballhead:
      Nope. My babies are 23, 20 & 12. Why?? Need a diaper changing? I think I remember how.

    188. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:15 pm

      HI MOM

    189. Arubian on June 30th, 2005 2:15 pm

      OOOPS!!! I am really De Beer International from Europe !!!
      .
      Now hug!
      .
      TrueDutch come lick my arse
      .
      First Amendment you can eat my pussy
      .
      Now hug!

    190. Arubian on June 30th, 2005 2:16 pm

      OOOPS!!! I am really De Beer International from Europe !!!
      .
      Now hug!
      .
      TrueDutch come lick my arse
      .
      First Amendment you can eat my pussy
      .
      Now hug!

    191. Arubian on June 30th, 2005 2:16 pm

      OOOPS!!! I am really De Beer International from Europe !!!
      .
      Now hug!
      .
      TrueDutch come lick my arse
      .
      First Amendment you can eat my pussy
      .
      Now hug!

    192. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:16 pm

      AnnaMaria–yes, the investigators had previously went to their house, but who knows who else is covering up for them, could it have been someone on the initial investigation team, and now they dont want us to do a real search….the other one could have been done inefficiently—possibly on purpose?? Just a thought!

    193. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:16 pm

      I am a Nazi, can’t you tell? I AM A RACEIST. I am a liberal, I am a homo that is why my opinions are better than yours!

    194. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 2:17 pm

      “Dan in TX you go boy! Get in there and tell them!! We told Mrs. Twitty to start using her frustration to fuel her fires from now on and skip the gracefullness. WE WANT NAT BACK NOW!!”

      I appreciate the support, but TrueDutch didn’t deserve that. The way he (or she?) said it just sounded jaded and uncaring. Anyway, as I’ve said, I think the investigators blew this case too badly for results now: Holloways, I’m sorry things got screwed up before they even got rolling. There must be some way to turn this into something productive; many people have brought up the fact that many people go missing in the U.S. every year (they’ve mentioned this ad nauseum in fact). Perhaps the Holloways would consider starting a foundation in Natalee’s name to help with missing persons searches for anyone. We’ve said how expensive it is for Texas Equusearch to be out there; maybe some help for families that need such services in the future to pay for it? What do you all think? Where’s the silver lining here?

    195. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:17 pm

      Hi Larry. Yep

    196. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:17 pm

      It’s not Arubian. It’s the imposter. Preschool must’ve let out early today.

    197. TrueDutch-I on June 30th, 2005 2:17 pm

      Kris – there is a great possibility that she IS home already and that this is all a big Hoax from FOX and CNN. They are the one’s making th big bugs right now. Ever considered that !

    198. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:17 pm

      NO NEWS on NAtalee!

    199. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:18 pm

      Is anything on the news?

    200. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:18 pm

      Hi Kris………anything really new yet?

    201. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:18 pm

      the last thing on the news was about the dad actually coaching them legal wise. the no body no evidence thing.

    202. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:19 pm

      MominIL: The cops have searched the VdS home fully, from what reports have said. If she were there during the Greta/BHT interview, how did LE miss it? (Oh, wait…Aruban LE…well, still. ) It’s possible, though. Anything is possible with the alleged levels of corruption in that country.

    203. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:19 pm

      I think it’s “computer time” from 2-3 p.m. @ the Mental Ward!

    204. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:19 pm

      Sometimes I get so angry at this I start having crazy thoughts…This whole damn thing with the polis and the investigation if just out of control…the suspects and their stories are kind like this….scenario: I am driving down the highway and suddenly I see a blue flashing light in my rearview mirror so I pull over on theside of the road. Officer come to the window asks me for my license and my registration and proof of insurance. He then asks ‘have you been drinking I say no I have no been drinking” then I say wait “yes I have been drinking but that was 4hrs ago. I had one Budweiser, No wait I had 2, well now that I think of it it was 2 miller lites..come to think of it I had a 6 pack of Corona…Policeman says I am taking you and arresting you and I start yelling.. YOU CANT ARREST THERE’S NO BEER CANS OR BOTTLES IN MY CAR!!

      ok im getting delusional here forgive me

    205. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:19 pm

      No, Jake is keeping us posted on what Fox is saying.

      All I heard earlier was that they were searching an area in the ocean–heard that on CNN radio

    206. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:20 pm

      Makes one wonder why he would tell them that the day after she went missing, doesn’t it?

    207. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 2:20 pm

      @Truedutch: Like our puma on the veluwe?

    208. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:20 pm

      thanks hope—thanks slapped—

      first amendment—yes, I work in a bad area in Miami b/c I work with mentally challenged adults and I am in a demographically desireable area…We have several openings here, I will save a slot for u

    209. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 2:20 pm

      Arubian I would love to but I would rather lick the pussy and not the arse. yummy. **HUGS**

    210. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:20 pm

      Did I miss anything?

    211. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:20 pm

      Hello Larry!

    212. TrueDutch-I on June 30th, 2005 2:21 pm

      @Linke: I think the poema moved to Belgium.

    213. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 2:21 pm

      these imposters are male and are young because they are not on late at night (they are in bed most likely) so when they post , please everyone IGNORE them. Do not respond as that is what they want

    214. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:21 pm

      HOPE–It’s ok everyone here needs to go off the deep end from time to time. I did it earlier too :)

    215. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 2:21 pm

      Ofcourse there is no news…there never was any news…there never will be any news…its all media making money nothing else…no one is missing in aruba, this is antoher hollywood reality soap…

    216. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:21 pm

      Country Moon: didn’t you understand my blog before last?

      YOU DONT CARE ANY MORE ABOUT NATALEE THAN ANYONE ELSE DOES.

      YOUR OVERDONE DISPLAYS OF CONCERN ARE JUST THAT OVERDONE AND THEREFORE FAKE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.

      I HAPPEN TO CARE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THIS (AND ALL) MISSING PERSONS CASES FYI.

      I JUST DONT HAVE TO BOND WITH OTHER PHONIES ON A BLOG TO BRAG ABOUT IT.

      ALSO, IF YOU REALLY WERE ON THE ARUBA TRIP (?) WITH CLASSMATES AND SO CALLED “FRIENDS” AND CHAPERONES LIKE YOU WHO NEEDS ENEMIES?

    217. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:22 pm

      crs- Alot of crazy people on today!

    218. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:22 pm

      Ally and Jake you guys have put the first big smile on our faces all day long. All you guys are so awesome!!!

    219. izzy on June 30th, 2005 2:23 pm

      Arubian is a troll, or at least the person currently posting under that name is. I have had Fox News on all day long, and they are reporting no such thing.

    220. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:24 pm

      Thanks Kris

    221. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:24 pm

      Jake, I have been reading back a little, I can tell.

    222. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 2:24 pm

      Jake “A lot” is two words. Sorry, that is a pet peeve of mine (English teacher)

    223. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:24 pm

      Ally-Do you work by Mt. Sinai?

    224. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:24 pm

      HEy MOM…get my email?

    225. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 2:25 pm

      CRS: Where have ya been? Hopefully closing an RE deal.

    226. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:25 pm

      you are right, ss—sorry! :-)

    227. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:26 pm

      OK FIRST—-NOW YOU ARE REALLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF!!!!
      IF YOU WANT TO GO HEAD TO HEAD WITH THE LIKES OF ME OR MOM FOR THAT MATTER FINE!!!

      BUT DON’T YOU DARE START ON COUNTRY YOU ASS!!!!

      YOU CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT MISSING PERSONS, IF THAT IS THE CASE YOU SHOULD CARE AS WELL ABOUT THE PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE SITUATION..

      COUNTRY’S GOOD FRIEND IS MISSING AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS STAND ON YOUR SELF PROCLAIMED SOAP BOX–PREACHING TO US…

      I’M TELLING YOU WE DON’T WANT YOUR KIND OF PREACHING–SO LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE!!!!

      My apologies to those of you I know–I just can’t take him anymore.

    228. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:26 pm

      Scared-Thank you!

    229. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:27 pm

      TOM & RED:

      Please ban TrueDutch. We’ve had enuff of his disgusting gibberish.

    230. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:28 pm

      sorry MOM didn’t mean to drag you into that—-just know that you can take him

    231. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:28 pm

      YOU GO KRIS FIRST AMENDMENT NEEDS TO LEAVE!!!!!!

    232. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 2:28 pm

      I saw on fox’s headlines “ARUBA MAY PROSECUTE WITHOUT A BODY”

    233. Very Curious on June 30th, 2005 2:28 pm

      There is no proof that the Kalpoe brothers dropped them off, right? From 1:00 when leaving Carlos and Charlies until whenever is really the timeline because a phone call or text message does not necessarily prove your whereabouts. People are saying there was only 1/2 hour of opportunity but I fail to see the proof of the timeline. They all lied so why wouldn’t the times be lies also? Am I missing something? They say they were seen at 2:00 am washing their car. Is that proven?

    234. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:28 pm

      My co-workers changed the channel on me :( Time to record in the studio and they need the monitor!

    235. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:28 pm

      First Amendment~ What I am understanding from you is that you are a pathetic individual with nothing better to do with your time than to come on to a blog online and critisize those to whome you do not understand. You mistake our concern for Nat as being “false” because you have no idea what compassion and understanding is. I feel sorry for you and your pathetic attempt at a life. Maybe one day you will go up missing and we will all be on here discussing you and your life. As horrible as you are though we will not be making stabs at your friends, no we would show them compassion.
      You can think what you wish about us, you can call us fakes all you want, we have nothing to lose by being on here. We come on here to help with the discussions in any way we can.
      You may yawn, but this cannot be nearly as boring as your lonely pathetic life.

    236. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:29 pm

      Kat – Had a little client lunch to attend. Why won’t the kalpoes mom let them search the property, that is a little odd.

    237. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:29 pm

      YAY Kris , kick ass! 1st you can bash us all day long but this is RL for country and not just some missing person on fox news. Get the hell over it and get out!

    238. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:29 pm

      calling all trolls

    239. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:29 pm

      Jake–I work by NW54 Street and 12th—I work NW from American Airlines Area.

      CountryMoon–we think ur awesome too.

      Hello, CRS!

    240. izzy on June 30th, 2005 2:29 pm

      scared — about the trolls & imposters — must of them seem to be Dutch. Current time in Amsterdam is approaching 8:30 pm. Nowhere near bedtime for Bonzo, unfortunately.

    241. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 2:30 pm

      @Shitless: OK,lets have the first pieces of evidence…..evidence enyone?? It’s needed in the dutch legalsystem.

    242. jamie on June 30th, 2005 2:30 pm

      I think first amendment suffers from little penis syndrum

    243. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:30 pm

      3 cheers for Country well said my dear!!

    244. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:30 pm

      great jake…now what are we going to do? lol

      why couldn’t the bozos get on here at night when i can’t?

    245. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 2:31 pm

      Kris: First Amend is not a HIM it’s AN IT that’s full of shit!

      Country: Just keep on talking about NH and the case. You have people here that do really care and not only about this case but anybody that is missing. People come up missing all the time but this case is receiving enormous coverage therefore people are watching very closely.

    246. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:31 pm

      Damn Country–Nicely said!!!
      Sorry I got so upset

    247. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 2:31 pm

      Wow, I guess everyone is gettting frustrated and taking it out on each other. What is the opinion on a Friday arrest I read about earlier?

    248. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 2:31 pm

      Don’t you thing country can defend him/her self?

      Oh I forgot it is so you to defend people you think you know but on the other hand judge the ones you don’t know

    249. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 2:31 pm

      Scared- Yea it is also posted at yahoo.com. I just hope its not a situation where the prosecution team goes through the motions. Unless they have some very strong evidence other than physical, it will be hard to prosecute.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050630/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen

    250. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 2:31 pm

      This blog needs an ‘ignore’ function…either that or a more formalized membership process. I agree with Kris…Country did not deserve that rant at all. What have you done for the cause of missing persons lately, ya troll?

    251. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      Ally – your back!!! Hope everything is going better now. What’s new?

    252. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      Forgive me, Tom & Red! Forgive me, Lord

      FIRST:
      YOU ARE A F*CKING LOSER. Bet your Mommy wishes she would’ve said yes to the abortion.

      Get the F*ck of the board.

    253. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      Izzy: good point! that proves they’re Dutch…i keep (dummy that i am) forgetting the time changes from all over. I’m good in English but not in logic I guess

    254. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      Forgive me, Tom & Red! Forgive me, Lord

      FIRST:
      YOU ARE A F*CKING LOSER. Bet your Mommy wishes she would’ve said yes to the abortion.

      Get the F*ck off the board.

    255. watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      talk to you all later after the little boys are put to bed.

    256. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      country-you have really opened up in here. i’m glad. you seemed up tight when you first started. :)

    257. TrueDutch-I on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      The case will be solved in a couple of days. The Dutch are sending Peter R de Vries to Aruba. Peter is the best private investigator in the Netherlands and he will be able to crack the case.

    258. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:32 pm

      Its ok Kris we all need to slap and idiot every now and then :)

    259. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:33 pm

      are the dutch marines still coming?

    260. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:34 pm

      CountryMoon- BRAVO!!!

    261. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:34 pm

      Country-Don’t bother with him/her. Obviously people like that just want A LOT (that was for you scaredshitless) of attention!!!!

    262. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:35 pm

      Kris, I have another cocktail tip for you: Ciroc Vodka for your martinis, it is made from grapes instead of potatoes or grain and its five times filtered!!

    263. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 2:35 pm

      Bravo Country. You ROCK!

    264. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:35 pm

      Thanks Hope!!

      Warum–ya know what–I’m just too tired to deal with shit from people like you so I’ll just tell you to shut up

    265. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:35 pm

      CRS YOU ARE BACK

    266. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      Warum? ~ We are defending our friend Natalee from all these people on here who are talking crap like they own the damn place. Everyone on this board is willing to listen to any opinion, however the only things being spouted out right now is a bunch of insults from people who have absolutely no business being on here. Its for discussion, and so far they have brought absolutely nothing to the table worth biting at. Get it?

    267. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      Sorry for the double post. Guess I meant it!!! LOL

      Any news on where the Cowboys are searching? Sorry, if it’s been posted already.

    268. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      Country finally had enough of the crazies!

    269. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      Warum yes Country can defend herself , she just proved that! but we all get tired of the Natalee and American bashing F$%#s that come on here and especially when they bash the ones of those that were involved in the trip or are family/ friends of the Holloway/Twittys.

    270. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      True Dutch is Peter R de Vries friends with the VDS’S?

    271. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      Warum? ~ We are defending our friend Natalee from all these people on here who are talking crap like they own the damn place. Everyone on this board is willing to listen to any opinion, however the only things being spouted out right now is a bunch of insults from people who have absolutely no business being on here. Its for discussion, and so far they have brought absolutely nothing to the table worth biting at. Get it?

    272. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:36 pm

      crs—after today I think I may try that

    273. breaking news on June 30th, 2005 2:37 pm
    274. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 2:37 pm

      @TrueDutch: I wondered when http://www.perterrdevries.nl would visit Aruba. Now it WILL be solved in a few days indeed. He’s PI Magnum times 10.

    275. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:37 pm

      They need to send about 10 Hells Angels to question the Lamb and the bros…….Then we will get to the bottom of this.

      Also, why don’t they take the Lamb out abd have him show them where he supposedly left NH…..Then ahve the cowboys search from there???????????????

    276. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:37 pm

      crs-haven’t they?

      welcome back btw.

    277. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:38 pm

      Mom its ok you can say it again if you like ;)

    278. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:38 pm

      Rachael, yep, finally made it back.

    279. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:38 pm

      I wish we could find out what is going on. COME ON ARUBANS JUST COME OUT WITH IT!

    280. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:38 pm

      Country, Kris (awwwww -too bad if your pissed off,by the sounds of it, it wont be the last time) ,Rachael,scaredshitless and anyone else in the “rainbows and unicorns club” :

      Neither you or anyone else in life will ever have the last word.

      That is what makes life so interesting.

      Amen. lol

    281. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:38 pm

      Wheres pktbk?

    282. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 2:39 pm

      “are the dutch marines still coming?”

      Depends, are there any naked little children or defenseless animals near them?

      (Badum-bump — and only directed to a few folks there.) :)

    283. ivy on June 30th, 2005 2:39 pm

      scaredsshitless and crs: glad to see you back–just dont acknowledge the idiot bloggers and they will go away..IGNORE THEM

      Hi MominIL: I too was just a reader at first–jump right in…your comments are welcome–I am a mom of a 19 year old and 13 year and I too believe in mother’s intuition.

    284. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:41 pm

      Jake, I was wondering the same thing on pktbk.

    285. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:41 pm

      looking at jake—i’m right here. ;)

      due to some nosey people i work with….i had to change. searches were made on pk and i was busted while working. so….

    286. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:41 pm

      Natalee is dead, get over it Country

    287. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:41 pm

      Okay…I’m re-reading, trying to educate myself….So Equu Search was denied permission to search the Kalpoe property???

      Please confirm.

    288. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:41 pm

      Jake,
      Check out “slapped by monkey”
      one in the same–I think

    289. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:41 pm

      You know you eventually won’t have the last word either and with the way you talk, hurt and critize people , you shall be judged and boy will you reap what you sow.

    290. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 2:42 pm

      We are gone until tomorrow guys. We can see that there is no use in being here today. God bless you all, even if you are First Amendment. Keep bloggin!!! You guys are awesome…and you know who you are ;)

    291. AllyinMiami on June 30th, 2005 2:42 pm

      CRS–Same stuff, but I feel better now.

      But, I am just in shock that she would not, Ms. Kalpoe, cooperate and allow them (our team) to search around her property. If you are positive your sons were not involved in the crime at all, why would u have to hide. If I was positive that my sons were “framed”, and/or innocent, I would invite all inside my house, around my house, and around my entire neighborhood..I would do anything to cooperate to get my sons out….that is, unless, there is a doubt in my mind or I have been told additional info..

    292. Simian on June 30th, 2005 2:42 pm

      The Simian has an IQ of 149 as measured by Gringos.

      All of the words of the cohorts of the boy and the Hindus have been hi-jacked. For weeks already. The confrontation of yesterday was brutal. More lies woven. The boy has to fall apart. The Babylonians have their swords ready…

      North American special interests have organized a “human chain of prayers” in Aruba. From the Wyndham to the Holiday Inn. Are afraid for their multi-million dollar investments? The Simian heard from the Gringos say they are doing OK. The bread won’t be taken from them. They will just sit this one out.

    293. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:42 pm

      first amendment is pissing me off!

    294. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:42 pm

      my last comment directed at 1st even anyone thought differently

    295. Puffy Woods & Mase Gumbel on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      wat unbidan we nu????

    296. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      mom-yes, and i am confused. do they not like the cops and don’t want to cooperate, or is the mom doubting her boys and trying to wait out the holding period?

    297. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      First Amendment is brain dead. Get over it, fellow bloggers.

    298. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      Godspeed Country and till tomorrow!!/hug

    299. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      Slapped-I got you!!! GOOD GOING!! Welcome back!!

    300. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      Is this the real Simian?

    301. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      Ally – I agree, it is very strange, Slapped by monkey – I most enjoy your new name, glad greta could help!!

    302. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:43 pm

      I am just anal today I have been unable to suck my own cock and my boyfriend just left me. **Sobbs for me**

    303. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:45 pm

      Slapped by Monkey I need someone new to slap my monkey, want to volunteer? **Sobs for me**

    304. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:45 pm

      TOM GET FIRST AMENDEMENT OUT OF HERE

    305. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:46 pm

      I have a feeling the cowboys will ride out of Aruba on Sunday and the polis will let the suspects go on Monday.Comments???? MOM??? Kris?

    306. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:47 pm

      Larry – i defiantely think everyone walks Monday.

    307. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 2:47 pm

      MOM-MO – Never had any brains, there is no need to get over anything!

    308. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:47 pm

      Thanks Hope,

      I have no energy left to respond to him

      LINK–are you still here?

    309. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:47 pm

      Rachael will Tom and Red suck my monkey?

    310. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:47 pm

      finally!!!! i was beginning to think the name was a lead balloon! LOL crs-i knew you would appreciate it.
      kris-thanks for vouching.

      country-take it easy. look forward to talking again.

    311. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:47 pm

      Rachael will Tom and Red suck my monkey?

    312. Very Curious on June 30th, 2005 2:48 pm

      Okay, never mind :(

    313. Jake on June 30th, 2005 2:48 pm

      Larry: I have a feeling that might be the case! How sad :(

    314. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:48 pm

      Sorry, for not acknowledging, Larry. Yes, I got your email. I sent you a couple of ‘funnies’ today. Get them?

    315. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:48 pm

      brb

    316. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:49 pm

      If the runaway bride got half a million what do think Joran’s going to get for his story. Commiting crime is the new gold rush.

    317. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:49 pm

      Come get me I will always have the last word because I am a disgusting monkey sucking turd.

    318. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:50 pm

      Larry,
      I am afraid that you may be correct in that.

    319. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 2:50 pm

      CRS: Seems to me if there was nothing to hide, the Kalpoes would welcome the search team on their property. Maybe the parents doubt their sons are telling the truth. Parents always want to protect their kids in anyway possible especially since they are still being held in jail.

    320. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 2:50 pm

      @Kris: Yes, just making some coffee to keep me going…

    321. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:50 pm

      It is VERY sad…………..no closure just a damn cover up……….If I were in the suspects shoes, I would be looking over my shoulder every second, if you know what I mean.

    322. TrueDutch-I on June 30th, 2005 2:50 pm

      Larry – It doesn’t matter when the cowboys are leaving Aruba. The three boys will be released next wednesday. Then is the next ‘hearing’ at the ‘Rechter Commisaris’ and because there is no evidence at all, they will be released.

    323. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:50 pm

      FYI: I am as American as apple pie – three generations US military, 5 siblings and I am imperfect just like the rest of you.

      So, your attempt at blaming it on the Dutch is as retraded as most of what you say anyway.

      Country: are we a little upset that a lot of people dont care about your blogs?

      Welcome to the real world.

      Natalees family are the only ones with license to claim the strongest feeling about this – not you.

      Do you feel a little inadequate or something ?

      Maybe you should see a psychiatrist.

      The way you and your (tiny) support group cling to each other, may I suggest group therapy?

      What a brilliant idea – online psycho therapy !!

      You heard it here first.

      lol

    324. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:51 pm

      Does any one have any naked pictures of Natalee with her friend Country Moon? I can get off to that while Country talks dirty to me. **strokin strokin**

    325. Liz on June 30th, 2005 2:51 pm

      Joran and his pappy are dead men walking!

    326. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 2:51 pm

      crs and Larry – I think they will be released as well and this case may go very very cold, but someone will spill some information eventually.

    327. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:51 pm

      I want Joran to get off whether he gets money or not. I think he is a boy who has a lot going for him

    328. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:51 pm

      Monday, wednesday, whatever I guess.They will let them go

    329. jasonca on June 30th, 2005 2:52 pm

      I would say Papa PJVS has also coached Mom of boys

    330. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:52 pm

      imposter: keep going -we love it

    331. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 2:52 pm

      I am sick of this crap by first amendment i am going to lunch. Bye all of my real friends!

    332. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 2:53 pm

      fa – I agree with the sucking turd part, but the last word will be MO-MO’s with her brainless postings, damn I have never seen someone so stupid in my life.

    333. jasonca on June 30th, 2005 2:54 pm

      I would say Papa PJVS has also coached Mom of boys

    334. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 2:54 pm

      @Liz: In the Netherlands you could get busted for making insunuations like that.

    335. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:54 pm

      I really do like Country Moon. I love all of you guys.

      I am just certain that Natalee is dead.

    336. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:54 pm

      First: You have been reported.

      Red:

      Thought I’d share with you, someone that really needs to be banned. Sorry.

      http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1204

      first amendment Says:
      June 30th, 2005 at 2:47 pm

      Rachael will Tom and Red suck my monkey?

      Thanks, MOMfromMO

    337. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:54 pm

      jason – that is hard to say, one, she was out of town when everything happened and two, she seems like someone who would rather just be left in the dark.

    338. jasonca on June 30th, 2005 2:55 pm

      I would say Papa PJVS has also coached Mom of boys

    339. Simian on June 30th, 2005 2:55 pm

      The Simian says that the cowboys will not find the gold. Where is she then?

      The Babylonians think that there are a lot of forked tongues where the Yellowhammer calls home.

      It’s very hard to find things that don’t want to be found.

      The theory about The Picaros has been thrown out the window.

      American Special Interest are making the island hold hands. If there is a chink in there profit chain, they will make sure their paysans understand. Americans will not hurt their own interests.

    340. Liz is pis on June 30th, 2005 2:56 pm

      @ Liz

      TELL US WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO???

    341. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:56 pm

      Warum? would you like to help me rape dead Natalee and MOM? I am going to get Country Moon too.

      I am so agrivated by all this I am in the services and have yet to have my brains blown out.

    342. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:56 pm

      The Elder is a control freak and abusive, we have talked of that here befire and agreed to it

    343. Kris on June 30th, 2005 2:57 pm

      Link,
      You had asked me earlier–still asking

      I am confused

    344. ivy on June 30th, 2005 2:57 pm

      crs: very interesting thought — the runaway bride getting the half a milliion really pissed alot of people off–all the people that were frantically searching for her for days were not happy to hear that story.

    345. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 2:58 pm

      First Amend:

      Give us some serious theory about NH and stop the insults and vulgarity. This blog is about the case and not about you and the need for attention.

    346. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:58 pm

      imposter: keep going

    347. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 2:58 pm

      who are the jerks that buy these stories. no sympathy at all.

      i think if joran does get out, his family is going to relocate quick. they are probably packing as we speak. they were going to move anyway after he got out of school. the dad was just working on employment in his hometown.

      kat-i agree. i think the brothers mom is starting to doubt them. especially when i read someone post the time the cafe is closed. she didn’t have her time right, if only by an hour, and she said her youngest picks him up every night?

    348. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:59 pm

      Simian— Are you saying that she is herself hiding form being found?

    349. ydave on June 30th, 2005 2:59 pm

      If Joran and the Kalpoes were cooperating, the investigation could have led to the location where Natalee is.

      But with a father who knows the law of the island, and constantly sends people (simian, checkme, Steve Croes, the Kalpoes,…) to make up new stories that distract and waste police resources on false leads, the investigation will go nowhere.

      At the end, the Natalee case will be a mysterious disappearance with many theories.

    350. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 2:59 pm

      I like to sleep naked with little boys as they suck me off.

      I have two children mothered by my mother.

      I want a million dollars for all my problems.

    351. crs on June 30th, 2005 2:59 pm

      Ivy – Just wait if Joran gets out someone is going to pay bigtime to get his story.

    352. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 3:00 pm

      @Kris: don’t bother..

    353. Liz on June 30th, 2005 3:00 pm

      Joran is an American wannabe…. he can kiss his US education goodbye no matter what. I guess that is sufficient punishment… he’d have to remain a lil Dutch boy the rest of his lowly life.

    354. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 3:00 pm

      imposter: keep going you know all my thoughts and theories.

    355. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:00 pm

      the bride is getting more money from her book than she had to pay back to the city. i’m sure they appreciate that.

    356. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 3:01 pm

      Pappy VDS coached everyone involved. This is evident! Nobody is talking and he knows the entire dutch legal system has certain loop holes that will eventually get his son out of jail. Why do you think Joran is now smiling at the cameras?

    357. Liz on June 30th, 2005 3:02 pm

      Awe I don’t have to do a thing! I’m sure there is one helluva long line of people wanting to get their hands on the van der slimes ahead of me. :)

    358. ydave on June 30th, 2005 3:03 pm

      I think the judge can issue a warant to the local police to search the area around the Kalpoes’ house. And the local police will seek the expertise of EquuSearch to help them search that location.

    359. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:03 pm

      That crazy bug eyed, fake boob, shoplifting, born again virgin and her doppy fiance made out like bandits and they kept all the wedding presents.

    360. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:04 pm

      Larry,
      I don’t think it’s the ‘real’ Simian. Anyone who cuts & pastes their IQ level on more than one blog, is bragging….and probably lying. I think the real Sim is above that.

      JMO

    361. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 3:04 pm

      Simian, “paysans?” What about those emails. Why haven’t you done your usual routine?

    362. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 3:04 pm

      Who are the Picaros?

    363. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:04 pm

      Link,
      Oh ok. Just wanted to be sure that we were still talking.

    364. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 3:04 pm

      fa – As for miss Holloway I am not talking about her, don’t know much about it, have no idea what happended to her, so you can have your for yourself. And for MO-MO I like my woman to challenge my brains not kill every single cell with her yenta

      And for country moon, if she is/was a friend of miss Holloway who is she on the picture taken on the beach with 4 girls?

    365. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:05 pm

      Joran did look pretty happy in his spiffy white shirt when I saw him on tv last night. Daddy obviously gave him good news.

    366. Nicole on June 30th, 2005 3:05 pm

      Well now that the team was denied there, the scumbag family is probably “cleaning up” whatever it was they didn’t want them to see….just like how the three s*itheads were free for 10 days!!!! This entire thing is a joke anymore……

    367. MACK on June 30th, 2005 3:05 pm

      PLEASE, do not feed the TROLLS. You have to ignore the ignorant. They are here just to mess with people and get them in a frenzy.
      But, I gotta tell ya — the ones that have told them off are AWESOME!!! :)
      I’ve been here for weeks now, and, do not post too much. you people have taught me so much. A lot of good theroies and lots of GOOD people. Nice to know the “good” folk!!!
      Country, my heart goes out to you and Natalee’s family. Keep the info coming!!!

    368. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 3:06 pm

      I’ve never heard of Peter R. de Vries that TrueDutch-I speaks of, but it sure sounds like a good idea. Leave no stone unturned, right? That is great if its true. I will have to research this guy when I get a chance. I just hope he isn’t coming in too late…

    369. Larry on June 30th, 2005 3:06 pm

      We get more fakes everday it seems………..Friends of the Lamb I figure or just bored losers……..

    370. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 3:07 pm

      @Kris: Yes we’re but i feel like that ive to shut up sometimes because of the crap some of my fellow citizens are posting.

    371. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:08 pm

      Mack,

      Welcome to this strange strange little world. So you’ve been reading the theories..What do you think?

      It’s always nice to hear new ideas.

    372. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:08 pm

      did they ever get married? they psycho lady and her wuss of a husband?

      he was on tv last night? i knew i should have stayed up!

    373. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:09 pm

      Mack…Welcome, and thank you. There are a lot of truly GENUINE people on here. Others are just wishing they could be, and therefore deeply depressed because they know they’ll never compare.

      Guess you can tell preschool let out early today?

    374. ivy on June 30th, 2005 3:09 pm

      crs: I know you are right–it’s just really sad to think it might happen. I really wonder how long he can keep the truth inside? He knows way more than he is telling.

      katcall: someone else posted earlier about the smirk on his face on FoxNews–it was really creepy.

      IGNORE and they will go away…

    375. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 3:10 pm

      the ones that have told Mack and everybody like him off are AWESOME!!!

    376. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:10 pm

      Link,

      I think that you sound like a very nice man/woman? And I don’t group people togehter just because they are from the same area.

      I am interested in your thoughts on all this.

    377. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:10 pm

      Slapped – i will refer to you by sbm now, no they have not gotten married and they really did keep all the presents. Have you checked if greta has a new blog today?

    378. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 3:11 pm

      @DAN: Peter r de vries solved some “cold cases” here in the Netherlands. That are crimes that we’er committed serveral years ago (

    379. Nicole on June 30th, 2005 3:11 pm

      MomfromMO:

      Are you a housewife?…not being rude, just wondering!

    380. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:12 pm

      Ivy- I thyink he spills the beans and brags to all his friends, remember to him, she is just some american bimbo, so he will talk but at that point its all heresay, i really think Joran is out of hotwater now.

    381. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:12 pm

      crs–thanks to you and sbm I discovered Greta’s blog and the video of the monkey punch LOL
      She has a new one today, doesn’t really say much though. I think she mentioned that they are leaving Aruba soon though

    382. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:13 pm

      Nicole:
      No

    383. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 3:13 pm

      Any news from Fox anyone? Am working and don’t get off until 5

    384. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:13 pm

      Kris, the video is pretty hilarious, I will have to go read it now.

    385. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:15 pm

      crs-I was thinking the same thing when i saw Joran with the white shirt on!! His papa gave him the good news! Where do you think they will re-locate? I think it will be the Netherlands!

    386. Nicole on June 30th, 2005 3:15 pm

      oh, I was just wondering, because your on here all day!! :)

    387. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:15 pm

      crs-i was pimp slapped by aruban monkey, but that was entirely too long. lol sbm is fine. i haven’t checked you didn’t know me, so i had no one to discuss with.
      kris-really? they are pulling out soon?! i was afraid this would happen! if there is no new leads or news they have nothing to report and keep people watching. that sucks!!

      they just might walk then. no evidence, no crime. beeyotches.

    388. Nicole on June 30th, 2005 3:16 pm

      Did anyone send there letter to Washington today?

    389. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:17 pm

      Nicole,
      Mine went out with the first postal pick up

    390. izzy on June 30th, 2005 3:17 pm

      WaWa, nothing much new on Fox, just repeating the same stuff reported yesterday for the most part. No mention of the Kalpoes refusing to allow Texas EquuSearch on their property even. At the moment Shepherd Smith is interviewing Bono about Live8.

    391. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:17 pm

      Nicole:
      Business has been slow this week :(
      But!!! I do find ways to keep my mind busy somehow.

    392. Larry on June 30th, 2005 3:18 pm

      crs———–They all seem to be out of hot water……….They let the Ekder go when they admitted he interferred with the investigation……If you interferre here in Arkansas, you go to jail and do not collect the 200 dollars either

    393. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:19 pm

      Jake, I think they probably go back to Holland. SBM, yep, i agree with Kris, it sound like they are pulling out soon, I am thinking if the boys are released Monday they will probably stay until Friday and that is it.

    394. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:19 pm

      lol greta was scoffed for having ‘such a dutch last name’ and not knowing dutch. :D

      someone emailed about the monkey. that’s funny.

      so she really is pulling out. that makes me sad.

    395. GeorgiaGirl on June 30th, 2005 3:19 pm

      Sorry about the length, but this is on the front page of Yahoo right now

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba – Aruba’s attorney general said Thursday she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway even if the Alabama teenager’s body is not found.

      Caren Janssen also said investigators have found no evidence to suggest that the 18-year-old Holloway, who disappeared May 30, was dead.

      “There are no traces or facts to come to the conclusion that Natalee is no longer alive,” Attorney General Caren Janssen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

      “But that doesn’t mean we can’t prosecute without a body. It’s difficult but not impossible.”

      Three young men remain in custody in Holloway’s disappearance, but none has been charged.

      Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

      Janssen declined to reveal Thursday what other evidence investigators might have.

      Massive searches by FBI agents, Dutch Marines, Aruban police and thousands of islanders have produced no trace of Holloway, who was celebrating her graduation from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala., when she disappeared.

      Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot, 17, and his friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were the last people seen with Holloway the night she vanished. The three were questioned in the days after the disappearance but were not arrested until June 9.

      Two other men detained in the case — van der Sloot’s father, Paul, and party boat disc jockey Steven Croes — have been released.

      Holloway’s stepfather, George “Jug” Twitty, said the family was not surprised by Janssen’s comments and was not losing hope the truth would be found.

      “We may have no physical evidence, but there is a lot of other evidence of what may have happened in this case,” Twitty told the AP.

      Janssen, who has been tightlipped during the investigation, said she had decided to speak out because “there has been so much misinformation in the American press.”

      “I’m the lead prosecutor and I want to show that we are not a bunch of cowboys here,” she said.

      Janssen declined to be more specific about what she believed had been reported inaccurately.

      Paul van der Sloot, an island judicial official, was arrested June 23 but released a few days later when a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him.

      Janssen said the elder van der Sloot gave his son and the Kalpoe brothers legal advice, telling them that “without a body there is no case.”

      “He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared,” Janssen told the AP.

      Janssen also alleged Paul van der Sloot, a 52-year-old judge in training in Aruba, obstructed authorities’ investigation by asking one of his son’s friends, who had been interrogated, what he told police.

      But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation.

      Calls to the van der Sloot residence Thursday seeking comment were not answered.

      A group of volunteer rescuers from Texas, which began searches Saturday, began a partial pullout from Aruba on Wednesday, with nine of the 27 volunteers returning home. But the group said it planned to bring in replacements for those who had left.

      ___

    396. ydave on June 30th, 2005 3:19 pm

      You should all know that Caren Janssen is a friend of Paul Van Der Sloot. She and Van Der Stratten, the police Chief, Know that Joran is guilty but want to blame the crime on someone else. They first brought two security guards, and wanted to try them right away. Pressure got them to release the two security guards, and to bring Mariaines Croes as lead prosecutor. That lady got in trouble with the Dutch Arubans, with the arrest of Paul Van Der Sloot.

      For Caren Janssen, Joran and the Kalpoes are only witnesses.

    397. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 3:19 pm

      @Kris: Man thank you. Indeed are in every county morons and others. But i really do think that you guys shoud listen more to foreigners. We know more about the legal system, for example. My english is readable i guess and i ‘m just curious how everyhing evolves around this case. Hope to be able to add my part to the information-pile. I understand you guys must be frustrated with all this. It’s partially due to the culture of the Aruban and Surinam people. They’re slow, due to the climate, but steady like a diesel when they should. It just takes ages…

    398. Simian on June 30th, 2005 3:20 pm

      The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

      The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.

    399. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:20 pm

      What are WE going to do if and when they pull out? What will we blog about?

    400. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:20 pm

      I would think the Van Der Sloots will always be thought of now as leppers.

    401. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:21 pm

      i am still shocked they let the dad talk to him. they are making a mockery of this whole thing. it’s a big mess and it’s going nowhere.

      i think they will have relocate to iceland until people forget their names.

    402. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:22 pm

      Link,
      I don’t doubt that you have valuable information to add. Some here on the other hand…
      Anyway glad that you’re here.

    403. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 3:22 pm

      Kris: Letter done!

      A few on this board know the DC area. The letter campaign should go very well.

    404. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 3:22 pm

      Thanks Izzy. Sometimes this board gets real weird with people being rather ugggy. I appreciate your update.

    405. Karin in Miami on June 30th, 2005 3:23 pm

      Jake,
      Thanks for the answer. I only wondered because a friend who has claimed some ‘psychic’ connections in the past told me her only visions on this
      were of an elementary school and an oven. Maybe it means Natalee is
      near such a place?and I went off on the wrong tangent. I just want to say
      that not all parents would tell their kids to ‘not say anything’ in this situation.
      To me that is too much being in denial. We do want to protect our children,
      and believe in them, and my teens have told me of countless friends and
      classmates that have not told their parents about their drinking or drugging
      or sex life. And I wonder how can the parents NOT know? So, I think:
      well, maybe they know or suspect, but they just don’t want their suspicions
      confirmed. If it was my 17 year old son involved, I would advise him to speak
      the truth because I have always tried to tell them and show them
      that there is less trouble in telling the truth and often people appreciate
      and respect that, than there is in lying and getting deeper into trouble. I do
      believe that in most cases, the truth eventually wins out in one way or another.
      Liars pay for their deceit in some form or another, sooner or later. I am grateful
      that my teens talk ‘with’ me, and I know that teens and young adults do talk to
      their friends altogether or at least more about many of these ‘intimate’ topics
      or areas considered taboo with parents. So, the person that said having the investigators talk to these suspects “friends” is a good idea, sounds on the
      right track and I do hope the investigators have, or will, explore this! I just
      heard on FoxNews that the investigators are now speaking to the suspects’ classmates and such. I do hope this will finally yield some real leads!
      Thanks for letting me share.

    406. Kris on June 30th, 2005 3:23 pm

      SBM–Not even Iceland can protect them :)
      I’m sure a few people can make sure of that!

    407. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:23 pm

      Jake, we will talk about monkeys and reciepts!!

    408. Natalee on June 30th, 2005 3:23 pm

      Yo, heard my name. Anyone looking for me???
      .
      Hugs & Kisses from Bonaire.

    409. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:24 pm

      i hope it will still be in the news for the simple fact bht stays there and makes us remember.

    410. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 3:25 pm

      jake – about the next media hype, one will come…they allways do

    411. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:25 pm

      Could central flordia reject Joran now even though he was already accepted?

    412. ivy on June 30th, 2005 3:25 pm

      Mack: ditto I was just a reader also then jumped right in these guys know their stuff–Today has been a little weird but usually there is much intelligent discussion and not so much crap from the trolls.

    413. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:27 pm

      kris-i would hope!

      monkeys and receipts. LMAO! if that is what people remember from our discussions….just kidding. i hope we will be discussing them finding her pretty soon.

      i was the same way with elizabeth smart. going nine months was unbearable. they shut down the aol message board after so long, so it was just out loud convos i had with my friend. i don’t want this to be the same!

    414. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:28 pm

      Looks like First Amendment got tired of himself even. Now posing as Natalee? Pond scum in the truest sense of the word.

      *puts imposters and Warum back on ignore*

    415. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 3:29 pm

      One of the biggest blunders in the entire case was not collecting clothing worn by the last 3 guys seen with Natalee. After 10 days roaming free in Aruba, any trace evidence is physically down the tubes. Clothes have been laundered, cars have been washed, hair and clothing fibers have been vacuumed. This is a total shame! From the beginning of this entire case it appears there has been protection and favoritism for the 3 boys due to the father and his influence.

    416. Simian on June 30th, 2005 3:29 pm

      Linkeloetje, wat voor een soort banale commentaar was dat nou. Het systeem op Aruba is een koninklijke aanegelegenheid. Nou, als je heel even naar de namen kijkt van de mensen in de top van de Arubaanse Openbare Ministerie dan zie je gewoon Nederlanders. Steen echte Nederlanders. Dus ineens zou jij zo graag willen discrimineren on Arubanen an Surinamers “langzaam” te noemen. I k had anders van jou verwacht. Het ging zo goed met je bijdragen.

    417. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 3:29 pm

      Red and Tom: Thanks for getting rid of the imposter.

    418. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:30 pm

      crs-i don’t know. isn’t somewhere around there that pilot school one of the terrorists went to? they’re not too big on background searches. plus he won’t be convicted of anything. unless they don’t want the security risk at their school.

    419. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:30 pm

      Jake:
      We could blog about marketing ideas for Bud commercials!

    420. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:30 pm

      Solving this case all but ended once the security guards were arrested.

    421. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:31 pm

      Imagine how many pissed off people there would be if Joran and friends walk!

    422. loser on June 30th, 2005 3:32 pm

      linkeloentje is een wannabee amerikaan, blaat zonder kennis

    423. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:32 pm

      SBM – i wouldn’t think they could refuse his admission now if he still wanted to come, he has not been convicted of anything. I wonder if Joran is clueless enough to think he can still go there.

    424. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:33 pm

      MOM: That would be awesome! But a bit boring, don’t you think? Unless we get to sample the product! :)

    425. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 3:33 pm

      @Simian: Niet lullen; jij weet net zogoed als ik dat Arubanen, laat ik het dan anders zeggen, rustiger aan doen, dan -wat kinkt dat achterlijk- 10 tot 20 graden nederlanders. Komt door het klimaat, en ik kan ze geen ongelijk geven. Ik luister weer verder mee, jij ook?

    426. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 3:33 pm

      crs: I believe it’s a college’s perogative to refuse entry for any reason they choose. Perhaps a letter writing campaign to the university might not be a bad idea? Not sure if this is correct, but:

      University of Central Florida
      Undergraduate Admissions
      4000 Central Florida Blvd.
      UWC P.O. Box 160111
      Orlando, FL 32816-0111

      Contact
      admission@mail.ucf.edu
      Phone: (407) 823-3000
      Fax: (407) 823-5625

    427. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:34 pm

      FYI: Red’s response to my complaint about ‘certain’ trolls:

      Which post was this in?

      BTW — I would tell you that you should switch to the discussion forum soon. Please email your friends that you normally chat with.

      I really am not going to tolerate much more what I see on these boards. It is impossible to deal with trolls in this format.

      Please switch to the other, we have moderators who can help you.

      Red

    428. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 3:34 pm

      Mom:

      I believe Kill, B2bwild, First Amend are all the same person!

    429. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:34 pm

      Jake, its coming so people are fixing to be pissed. I expect it now, I will actually be surprised if the keep them in custody for the 60 day period. Joran needs to call his teachers if that happens and see if someone can pick up his work for him.

    430. Simian on June 30th, 2005 3:36 pm

      Annamaria, the Simian really does not understand the e-mail routine. The Simian has been in a fox-hole for a couple of days. The doppelganger was very fastidious.

      The Simian is for real. The Simian doesn’t have much respect for Shango.

      Listen to the Simian when he says that the federales are looking at the many forked tongues that live where the Yellowhammer calls home.

      PS it is 149. Ivy cualified.

    431. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:36 pm

      SBM-Yes Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida.

    432. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:36 pm

      I like this format so much better though than the discussion boards.

    433. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:36 pm

      I’m strongly considering moving to the Discussion Forum, so as to avoid the mental cases. They can moderate the trolls there.

      So…if ya don’t C ME around….

    434. ivy on June 30th, 2005 3:36 pm

      crs: yes I beileve they can. I work at an ivy league instituition and you can most certainly can pull someone’s acceptance–your acceptance letter usually comes with stipulations and expectations that must ve adnered to before you can actually attend the school.

    435. Mark 2 on June 30th, 2005 3:37 pm

      Now is the chance for the Aruban authorities to show us they really mean business and not just full of talk. The Kalpoe family has refused to let the Texas team search their property. All that is needed is a warrant, and a few good dutch marines helped by the expertise and equipment from the Texas guys. Where is the warrant?

    436. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:37 pm

      I think you are right on, Katcall!

    437. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 3:37 pm

      MomfromMO: if you read all of my (original/authentic)) posts from today on this board you would know (you moron) that none of what I said was as low life as the imposter.

      You just dont like people that aren’t phony baloney suck ups like you.

      By the way, you aren’t that funny at all.

      I think you should continue doing what you do best -being the alchoholic mother that you are.

      (Sure am glad my mom wasn’t an asshole alchoholic who blogs all day and pretends that people like her)

      Signed:

      authentic first amendment

    438. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:38 pm

      crs-You think he’ll be able to make-up his school work? Wasn’t May 30th his last day of school? I think he even took a test that day!

    439. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 3:39 pm

      Katcall: wrong retard

    440. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 3:39 pm

      Simian: I will withhold final determination pending further comments which will determine who you are, or aren’t, as the case may be. :)

    441. jacqueline on June 30th, 2005 3:39 pm

      Does anyone know when the 3 who are detained will be going back to court to see if they will be held longer?

    442. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 3:40 pm

      MO-MO – Move your ass over to the forum and save us from the crap your fingers produce

    443. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:40 pm

      Authentic Moron Asshole:
      you are as pathetic as the low life imposter, trust me.

    444. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:41 pm

      i like this place too. i’m not moving. trolls or no trolls. just don’t read them. then you won’t be compelled to answer.

      crs-i agree about the case going out the window when they took the security guards. all investigation stopped there.

      jake-that’s the name!

    445. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:41 pm

      I think the imposters killed the original Leopard Queen! I kindof liked her!

    446. subdude on June 30th, 2005 3:42 pm

      Hey all: Simian says the Federal Bureau is focused on kids from the trip in Alabama who they believe are lying about NH.
      Alabama State Bird =Yellowhammer http://www.archives.state.al.us/emblems/st_bird.html

    447. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 3:43 pm

      Mom in MO – if you decide to go (please don’t) , perhaps staring a new forum in the Theories and Spec section would be a good idea, something to alert “Front Page Monkeys” to post there. It’ll be more calm than the big thread on the main forum, but a place where we all can go. Just a thought.

    448. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:43 pm

      Warum:
      Go back to neverland. Michael said you were great! He didn’t even feel it go in!

      You should be honored!

    449. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 3:43 pm

      1st: You are the same person! Sick and ….mentally ILL!

    450. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:44 pm

      MOM-if you leave, they win! Don’t listen to them. I don’t even read their posts. Skip it!

    451. sea shell on June 30th, 2005 3:44 pm

      Kat Call and Anna Maria

      My “shit detecter” is going off big time!

      Have the local cemetaries been checked?
      Obvious, but then not obvious.

      I still believe they need to check eveyone’s property grounds.

    452. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:46 pm

      scaredshitless (aka Grammar Patrol) is kindof one word or 2?

    453. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:47 pm

      Jake, i am worried about Joran’s college work, i am hoping someone can get his assignments and send them too him in the prison if he has stick around another 60 days. Maybe the monkey can help, seems like a good monkey, although losing the reciept makes me think he might not be that responsible!!

    454. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 3:47 pm

      At this point, I am not really so concerned with who did it as getting the Holloways some kind of resolution to all this. They deserve it; anyone would. We can worry about who did it later (since a conviction is never gonna happen). As for JVDS…we’ll hear from him again. Once he gets away with this, who knows what else he’ll try? He’ll eventually slip up and get caught; the question is, how many more people will get hurt until then? The blood of his future victims is on the hands of the Aruban investigators as well. But as long as she can, I know Beth will be after them. Good for her!
      Now, some questions:
      First, when the prosecutors finally do admit defeat and JVDS gets his spoiled bratty way again, where do the Holloways go from there? Can the Holloways pull a Goldman and sue the VDS family in civil court? What if a private investigation turns something up, or what if Natalee’s body is found years from now? Can charges be brought up again then?
      Second, even after the media has moved on to the next tragedy du jour how can we turn this into something positive and helpful? Some people have criticized us newcomers to the scene for being concerned as if we’re somehow insincere because there are so many missing persons but we got wrapped up in this case. Is making someone care about a total stranger bad, even if it is only briefly? Just because this is the first missing persons case I’ve been watching this closely doesn’t mean I don’t genuinely care about Natalee or her friends and family. No human being is capable of caring for and helping every person in the world who is in hardship; we all kind of pick and choose our battles.

    455. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 3:47 pm

      anyone else seem to think First has some fetish about “sucking” first it was suck shit and then it “suck ups” hmmm makes you wonder if they have an “oral” fetish

    456. izzy on June 30th, 2005 3:48 pm

      subdude — nice piece of detective work…did The Simian send you a secret decoder ring, LOL. Nice to know that The Simian is just one of many Arubans seeking to shift blame for whatever happened to Natalee to her family & friends.

    457. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:48 pm

      LOL @ sea shell

      Jake & AnnaMaria. Oh heck, I’m gonna stay. I don’t get ‘run off’ by children with mental issues. I actually pity them, and hope they are getting the rehab available for their disorders.

    458. Mark 2 on June 30th, 2005 3:48 pm

      I am impressed how most of you are ignoring crack pots like DeBeers and staying focused on Natalee. Please keep doing it. Getting into a pissing contest with them is exactly what they want. I have seen a lot of intelligent discussion in here to day. Many of you seem to be getting news at least an hour or two before the media gets it and some of the information is getting to the media at all.

      Again, I am impressed!

    459. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 3:49 pm

      Sub – are you convinced that’s the real Simian? Since when does he brag about his so-called IQ while making spelling mistakes like “cualified” and “paysan?” Not to be a spelling Nazi, but this Simian is alluding to blaming Alabama kids. What happened to the entire “Babylonians and Lorenzo” line?

      sea shell: I call shenaningans on the Kalpoes, totally. This “investigation” seems to be falling apart. Either bungled or deliberately botched – it’s gonna go down in history and threatens to take Aruba’s reputation with it.

    460. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:49 pm

      Mom, after awhile you learn just to skip over the posers and the crazy stuff others write.

    461. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 3:49 pm

      Amen Dan in Tx very nice post!

    462. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 3:51 pm

      Dan I can only say that I would think if theres on trail and enough evidence was found with the body that you could reopen the case but not sure how Aruban laws work concerning that

    463. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 3:51 pm

      Dan in TX

      well said

    464. sandy m on June 30th, 2005 3:51 pm

      has anyone thought about joran could have left natalee on the beach after whatever reason and then the brothers did whatever and something happened then? in all reality would someone be bragging about having sex with someone they had killed that same night? i really don’t think joran killed natalee. if he did and was bragging the next day he needs to be committed to more than a mental institution. does anyone know who the guy was with the DJ yesterday? he was also at the dj’s house the night before, but wonder why he was going to the airport? really looked like a shady character. would love some answers–if brothers’ mom wouldn’t let the texans in, sounds like she may know where the body is–why wasn’t their house searched when they searched joran’s?

    465. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:51 pm

      Yes, Hope. An oral fetish is obvious. Hopefully, he’s on his way back to Neverland, with Warum. I hear MJ made a major investment in Vaseline to celebrate their homecoming!

    466. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:52 pm

      crs-i guess it’s about that time again (nothing good being posted). LOL :)

    467. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:53 pm

      Ok, crs. I’ll try harder ;) I love u guys!

    468. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 3:53 pm

      Yo MOMfromMO why are you asking for Ban’s for the wrong people?

    469. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 3:53 pm

      MO-MO – Well he was screaming and bleeding like hell so don’t you tell me he did not feel it! Where did you think his ‘back’ problems came from?

      btw I have nothing against you guys and I think you should keep up your speculation about the holloway case, it is fun to read. The only thing I don’t like is MO-MO!

    470. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 3:53 pm

      Jacqueline next court case for all 3 is set for Monday and it will be to see if they can be held for 60 more days

    471. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:54 pm

      Jake, I hear you!! Hopefully Greta will have some food for thought tonight.

    472. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 3:55 pm

      anything new???? Anyone? CRS?????

    473. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 3:55 pm

      haha MOM

    474. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 3:55 pm

      does anyone else laugh when nancy grace says kalpoe?

    475. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 3:55 pm

      Hopefloats: as far as i’am informed, the next court case is set to next wednesday and if they are going to be held, it will be for 30 day’s not 60 day’s.

    476. izzy on June 30th, 2005 3:56 pm

      Dan in TX, add me to the list of people who think that was well said.

    477. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:56 pm

      Dan in TX: Well said. I think if Joran goes to any college in Florida, it better be an all boys college, because I sure as hell wouldn’t let my daughter go to a school he’s at!!

    478. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:56 pm

      Lady – nothing, i think we all feel like this case is dead in the water and all the boys will walk on Monday.

    479. jacqueline on June 30th, 2005 3:57 pm

      Hope-
      Thanks for the info.

    480. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 3:57 pm

      HEY I AM BACK

      WHAT DID I MISS?

    481. Jake on June 30th, 2005 3:58 pm

      Did any of you hear what Mark Furman had to say?

    482. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 3:59 pm

      How are they going to walk????

    483. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 3:59 pm

      Hope:
      I hope they detain the 3 for as long as they can. I feel the investigation will die, once they’re freed. Just a hunch.

      Warum: Do you think I even remotely care, whether you like me, or whether you do not? Now, continue eating your animal cookies, like a good boy.

    484. been reading monkey posts on June 30th, 2005 3:59 pm

      jake: 2 words

    485. God on June 30th, 2005 3:59 pm

      why aint no one praying to me? You aint knowing no no that it helps? I am god, I solve like stuff.
      .
      Ok, I am de Beer. Arubian, Natalee…
      .
      Shizzle my dizzle. I really hope that I wont encounter any of you morons in two weeks when I am in your boring country where everyone is all the same where evrything is all the same everyday…
      .
      Didnt want to slag of your country, but I am tired of hearing how bad Aruba is, how bad Holland is, how bad the Dutch are.
      .
      I have lived in many countries, for work and for education, I am holding two master of science degrees from two very renowned institutions. I am fairly young, having golbal responsibility at work — I am not an idiot, I know what I am talking about.
      .
      I have never come across so much bullshit and wishful thinking, I reeally feel sorry for many of you.
      .
      You dont know the concept of looking further than the length of your nose. You think that everyone is like an american, you think that every country and culture is like yours. You think that you have it all in place, everything works.
      .
      It doesnt.
      .
      You are a very very very rich developing country.
      .
      The dutch law system works entirely different. Our culture is different. Our norms and values are different. We are open to different ways of thinking.
      .
      But we do have less crime, less addicts, less drug users, less alcoholics, one of the highests GDP per capita, we are pioneers, you follow, we are a true democracy, we have more freedom, we know the concept of self regulation, we use common sense.
      .
      We are not better, we are different.
      .
      Its very sad what happened to Natalee, but you are tricked into something. YOu are addicted to this. Could you stop without getting frustrated if Natalee’s parents asked you to? Would you be into this if the missing girl was a black crackwhore with HIV?
      .
      Are you really caring about her or are you caring about feeding your addiction to a shit-tiny-message board that is taken over by John?
      .
      Seriously. Think
      .
      Think.
      .
      Now all hug. Dont worry, just hug, nobody means anything to you. Piss on them. its the same.

    486. crs on June 30th, 2005 3:59 pm

      SBM, I have not paid attention, is it comical? NG always seems like she is on the brink of just losing it, she is either yelling or crying 99% of the time.

    487. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 3:59 pm

      Well, let’s hope they keep hold of those lowlifes a little longer. But my questions about Aruban / Dutch law were meant for someone from those lands who might be able to answer them. And I still hope for suggestions of how we can turn this into something good, or does anyone like Country know if the family has thought of this yet?

    488. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      someone please agree that the interview with the DJ on cnn.com was shady

    489. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      Master..then they have lessoned their days because since the beginning it was said 8 days trial 8 days trial 8days trial 60 days if enough evidence was found and the prosector and attorney both said on the news lastnight it was Monday and for 60days but like EVERYTHING ELSE that could have changed as well.

    490. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      Mark2:

      Name one peice of news about this case that was mentioned on this board that was reported “an hour or two” before the media, outside of PVDS saying “no body, no case” which all of the media has had all day.

      (You seem easily impressed)

    491. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      Hi Rachael :) Nothing new! A bunch of crazy kids that couldn’t get into summer camp started messing around with their parents computers, but I think they went back to playing nintendo!

    492. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      jake—- who is mark furman

    493. subdude on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      Don’t know if its real Simian. I tend to think not, but just passing on the info.

      Catch you later. @ work

    494. getting restless on June 30th, 2005 4:00 pm

      i hope natalee is safely returned home.

    495. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:01 pm

      Lady – no evidence and the threshhold to hold them goes up significantly this time. I don’t think they have anything real to hold these guys.

    496. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 4:01 pm

      1st… the arrest of Pvds was announced here before the news media announced

    497. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:01 pm

      crs-lol she is a bit moody isn’t she? she gives people this look with her porn star eye makeup and does a whole head movement for emphasis…the kalpooey brothers.
      i don’t like how she cuts people off and gets so crazy. that’s why i was surprised she refrained with steve croes.

    498. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:01 pm

      Mark Furman was one of the lead investigators in the OJ Simpson case, and then wrote a book on it!

    499. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:02 pm

      I heard the Kalpoes are the heirs to the Alpo dog food fortune.

    500. been reading monkey posts on June 30th, 2005 4:02 pm

      beer, there is no need to be blasphemous

    501. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 4:02 pm

      SandyM

      I have posted your above stated thoughts several times. I am of the opinion that the 3 were with Nat. She was drugged and possibly raped by 1 or all 3, and that “somtheing bad” happened after that. It was even stated. But the something bad, could it be somthing that neither of the 3 could have contolled like:

      1. She drowned
      2. She feel off a cliff
      3. She ran off into the distance (and from there who knows what could have happened)
      4. They were all 3 approached and she was snatched

      Believe you me I am not taking up for the 3 jerks.
      It would appear that they would confess to any of the above or any other helpless situation scenario. They haven’t . So perhaps we only know a tip of the iceberg. They are being held as suspects? Witnesses? I hear each term being used.

      I find it hard that 3 young guys could have pulled off such a clean crime in so little time. Also, if you have listened to Beth, she is always saying “those 3 boys know where Natalee is” or like the recent radio station interview where she is now stating that she feels Nat was kidnapped.

      I don’t think she means kidnapped like in the movies, but more in a situation of perhaps some type of really weird deal that would knock our socks off if we heard it.

      I don’t know, it’s too much. All along I feel the Twitty’s have known a whole hell of a lot more than they are allowed to release.

    502. Kris on June 30th, 2005 4:03 pm

      Jake,
      What did he say?

    503. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:04 pm

      Yall know that if these boys walk that, Beth is going to be furious, becase then they are going to be at stage 1 again.

    504. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:04 pm

      SBM, ooohhhh, I have heard her say that, that is funny, I feel for her husband if she is married.

    505. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:05 pm

      or at least heirs to big momma’s flouncy house dresses. i think their mom’s job is to sit on the porch fanning herself doing neighborhood watches. that was mean. sorry.

    506. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:06 pm

      crs-LMAO!

    507. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:06 pm

      I think beth has to know it is coming and hence the total change in mood in the last week, I think the fbi tipped her this is probably going to happen.

    508. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:06 pm

      THIS POST SEAMS SO BORING

    509. Mark 2 on June 30th, 2005 4:07 pm

      First amendment – first go learn how to spell “piece”. Thanks

    510. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 4:07 pm

      Hope : it is 8 day’s..trial..8 day’s…trail…30 day’s… trail…30 day’s…trail…30day’s… trail. In total they can be held 106 days.

    511. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 4:08 pm

      WA WA
      i totally agree that the holloways know soooooo much more… i just can’t believe there hasn’t been any leak whatso ever

    512. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 4:08 pm

      crs:
      I’m not a diehard Nancy Grace fan, but I respect her history:

      Her fiance was stabbed to death some time back, which is why she is a strong (and passionate) victim’s advocate.

      Just wanted to share.

    513. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 4:08 pm

      later all ..catch back up with ya’s here soon

    514. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:08 pm

      Jake,SBM – I figured you would enjoy that!! Watch someone will read that and think it is true.

    515. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:09 pm

      that was really mean SMP, very mean that lady seemed like just a house wife that keeps the house well put, I am not sure if the Kalpoe boys are of rich decent, their house didnt seem like it was, but she seemed pretty decent.

    516. Liz on June 30th, 2005 4:09 pm

      Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination Says:

      June 30th, 2005 at 3:19 pm
      I understand you guys must be frustrated with all this. It’s partially due to the culture of the Aruban and Surinam people. They’re slow, due to the climate, but steady like a diesel when they should. It just takes ages…

      WE’RE NOT FRUSTRATED BY THE SYSTEM, WE’RE FRUSTRATED BY INPARTIALITY OF THOSE PERSONS IN CHARGE OF THIS INVESTIGATION. THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA SHOULD BE EQUALLY AS OUTRAGED BECAUSE THEY TOOK THE WORD OF JORAN (THE WHITE KID WITH A DADDY WHO HAS CONNECTIONS) AND INNOCENT (YES I’M GOING TO SAY IT… BLACK) MEN WERE ARRESTED BASED SOLELY ON THE BOGGUSS LIES JORAN AND HIS CROONIES TOLD TO COVER THEIR OWN ARSES. IN AMERICA IT’S CALLED CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ANYONE WHO PERSONALLY KNOWS THE VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY SHOULD HAVE REMOVED THEMSELVES FROM THE CASE FROM THE BEGINNING.

    517. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 4:09 pm

      Master they can be held a total of 116 days and I strongly believe its 60 days for the next trial Monday

    518. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:09 pm

      MOM, really, that is crazy, I did not know that.

    519. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:09 pm

      MOM-Was Nancy and her fiancee in Aruba when this happened?

    520. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 4:11 pm

      Jake: and Mark Furman is the investigator that botched the case which allowed OJ to WALK!

    521. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:11 pm

      crs-that’s why she is like she is. her fiance was murdered. the love of her life, gone. she went awf after that. just like bht when those boys go home. she’ll have her own news show for victim’s rights. her and the dad of the lunsford girl. bless their hearts.

    522. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 4:11 pm

      Can I ask you all a question? I get the feeling most of you are from southern states is my feeling correct?

      I am not judging or anything just wondering…

    523. been reading monkey posts on June 30th, 2005 4:11 pm

      hope is right

    524. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:12 pm

      10:11 pm in Amsterdam….hopefully the trolls will be going nighty-night soon.

    525. Kris on June 30th, 2005 4:12 pm

      Ok guys, I’m outta here.

      Talk to you all tomorrow. Sooner if I hear any news of anything.

      Have a great evening.

    526. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 4:12 pm

      (most of) the God post is brilliant – especially the last third or so.

      Finally, a blogger with a brain AND a backbone

      In my opinion, the beginning was wobbily, but like the rest of you (even the assholes who claim they “skip over” certain posts (yeah right) I gave the post my full comprehension and it is valid.

      (especially the part about our attention to this case vs. the anonymous “black crack whore w/ HIV” – brilliat point)

      The one thing I do take issue w/”God” on is that “everybody is the same” here in the USA – you are oh so wrong about that (reply?)

      I’ll debate you anytime.

    527. paul on June 30th, 2005 4:13 pm

      !st amendment – from all of us to you——eat sh_t and die

    528. Sol Rosenberg on June 30th, 2005 4:13 pm

      I think BHT should take Anita VanderSloot hostage and make a trade – her well-being for the truth about what happened…the information provided directly by her son. That sounds like a fair trade.

      Another out-of-the-box idea.

      Desperate times call for desperate measures.

    529. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:14 pm

      see ya kris.

    530. crs on June 30th, 2005 4:14 pm

      Alright everyone, have a great night, SBM, leave word if you have a new alias tomorrow!! Jake, tell your girls the monkeys say hello!!

    531. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:14 pm

      Sol- if BHT does that she will go to jail, how stupid was that

    532. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 4:15 pm

      crs: Yes, it is true.

      Jake: I do not know he was killed, but NG has mentioned some accounts of it a few times on tv.

    533. been reading monkey posts on June 30th, 2005 4:16 pm

      dito paul

    534. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 4:16 pm

      Hey guys – I’m back. Any news at all? I don’t wanna read through the crapola. And hugs to everyone – and I mean everyone.

    535. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 4:16 pm

      grammar correction (sorry, Scared):

      Jake: I do not know WHERE he was killed…

    536. Mark 2 on June 30th, 2005 4:16 pm

      I feel optimism is fading away on all fronts. I am hoping the authorities have more evidence than we think. The judge may also bow to political pressure and keep dutch boy another 60 days even if evidence is lean.

      I am a firm believer in God’s justice though and know from experience that God does His best work when things look hopeless so keep up the faith guys and gals.

    537. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:17 pm

      crs-have a good night. see you bright and early in the morn. i think sbm will do for now! lol

    538. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 4:17 pm

      Warum

      I am from the south. And I love it!!!!! Why do you ask that ?

    539. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 4:18 pm

      http://www.foxnews.com/

      joran is smiling!!! what a jerk!!

    540. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:18 pm

      crs-BYE! Have a good night!

    541. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:19 pm

      trisher-the only thing new is that the dad got to talk to joran yesterday, the equu team is not allowed to look around the kalpoe house, and the dad really did tell them no body no evidence, no crime.

    542. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:19 pm

      10:11 pm in Amsterdam….hopefully the trolls will be going nighty-night soon.

    543. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:20 pm

      first amendment is still here i hate that dude

    544. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 4:20 pm

      Well folks, I’m outtie. Takin’ my 12 year old to the Lake for the (long) holiday weekend. I won’t be back on here until next Tuesday :(

      So until then:

      Continue praying for Natalee & her family. Later fellow bloggers!

    545. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:20 pm

      It is only 2:20 pm here he he

    546. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 4:21 pm

      Mark2: Thanks for the correction on “piece” ( “i before e except after”…)

      One little problem, you still did not answer my challenge to provide any of these great news stories that you heard here an hour or two before the regular media got them.

      Also, if you are going to check spelling errors, you might want to go back and correct (cut and paste?) the hundreds of spelling errors (many by your warm and fuzzy “friends”) that occur on this (todays) board alone.

      Show me the money (the great news stories)

    547. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 4:22 pm

      Dear God,

      So, you’re coming to our country, eh? Figures. People who bitch about America are always the first to be visiting. Jealousy and a deep-seated insecurity, apparently.

      If you manage somehow to meet a hot lady who offers you a ride and you accept it, and are somehow lost, we’ll be sure to clutter up YOUR missing board with a bunch of half-baked nonsense based on jealousy and deep seated insecurity. Only our posts will be interesting and funny. Unlike yours. Now go part the seas or start another war.

    548. Sol Rosenberg on June 30th, 2005 4:22 pm

      She’ll be in jail with peace of mind.

      Do you think that not knowing what happened to her daughter… for the rest of her life… will be any different than living in prision? Unless her faith is exceptional (and I pray that it is)…it may equate to the same thing.

      I pray every day for resolution to this…whatever the outcome.

    549. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:24 pm

      Rachael…unfortunately I believe 1st amendment is a domestic troll, so no help with the time difference there.

    550. Simian on June 30th, 2005 4:24 pm

      The music man will lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee. Do not accuse the man of being special.

    551. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:24 pm

      Concerned– i just looked at the video I wouldnt say he was smiling, he barely opened his mouth

    552. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 4:24 pm

      paul: from all of who -you and mommy and your PC ?

      Thanks to my supporters

      lol

    553. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 4:26 pm

      Thanks for the update Monkey.

    554. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:26 pm

      Simian, honestly do you think Joran is guilty, because everybody else does, i dont know what to think, I m waiting for the results of this case, b4 i say anything. What do you think???????

    555. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:26 pm

      AnnaMaria…lol, you go girl!

    556. hope on June 30th, 2005 4:27 pm

      I was just thinking about BH and how much strength and courage she has to continue on even with a LOT of discouragement. I would love to know some of the hunches she might have. I have alot of faith in a Mother’s instincts, and I am sure that she knows alot about what is going on behind the scenes. I know that she can’t say a whole lot right now, but if things don’t pan out in the end the way they should, I just know that Beth is going to LET LOOSE until heads are rolling. There is no love like a mother’s love for her child. Beth, I believe (I don’t know her personally obviously) would risk her life to expose the wrong doing that is going on in Aruba right now. As long as it is in her daughter’s best interest to remain cooperative, she will but the very moment she has a chance I would encourage her to keep a special log of all of her personal theories in a special place. I am praying for her daily. DON’T GIVE UP!!! Sorry for the long read…I know I may not be the smartest person here, but I’ve got alot of love and faith and if nothing else maybe some of it will spill over into other’s hearts who are lacking. (ie the jokes and trolls) God Bless

    557. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:28 pm

      Lady I don’t think Joran is guilty because I haven’t seen any evidence

    558. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:31 pm

      whether he’s guilty or not, he knows something and to keep from being held longer he’s not telling. that’s not right.

      no prob trisher.

      jake-i didn’t watch the video, but the still shot they have on foxnews.com looks like he’s smiling.

    559. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 4:31 pm

      izzy: no trolls here – just a higher IQ – now dont cry – acceptance is a virtue.

      Rachael cant help you there. She cant even help herself based on her needy posts.

      Rachael, do you have any real friends?

      Just curious.

    560. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 4:31 pm

      For what it’s worth; I don’t think Joran is guilty. Maybe his two friends, but I think that even they are not guilty of anything.
      The ‘invasion’ of the Holloway’s and friends on the first day after the dissapearing of Nat made them so scared that they paniced.

      What if those two security guards of the Holliday Inn are the real suspects. They told everyone that the never saw Nat entering the hotel and that there is nothing on the
      videotapes, but maybe the knew ways to avoid the camera’s.

      The problem is that everything is focused on the van der Sloots and because of the media hype (mainly in the USA) other possibilities aren’t considered.

      My 2c

    561. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:32 pm

      hope, well said, and I wholeheartedly agree. I really admire Beth Twitty, she has tremendous strength and determination. Thanks for the encouragement because there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of positive news about this situation at the moment.

    562. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:32 pm

      me too, it is just funny all of this, something isnt right. I am not sure about the brothers, but after listening to their mother, i dont think they were involved either. And what I think the thing is that allot of minors in the Caribbean arent aware of how serious it is if you just lie for a friend, I am from the Caribbean and b4 law and order i didnt know you can spend time for that, so if they did pick up for Joran I dont think they knew of the consequence as for Croes, all he was doing was voluteering himself for Deepak, he didnt say Deepak asked him, he said he over heard him say they dropped off the girl and as a good friend, he went in to see if he could help is friend, I just think these ppl are just in a bad situation, but Rachel something doesnt feel right about this case, a boy who has a full scholarship to kill, a girl who is going to be pre-med out there throwing herself at ppl, not knowing what she is doing, doesnt make sense

    563. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:32 pm

      First amendment you are a witch with a capital B

    564. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 4:32 pm

      Rachael – That’s because it’s being covered up. That the whole topic of discussion on this thread which started 3 or 4 weeks ago. Now I understand you can’t convict someone based on assumption, but it is very clear that this investigation has many flaws to say the least “COVER UP”.

    565. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:33 pm

      me too, it is just funny all of this, something isnt right. I am not sure about the brothers, but after listening to their mother, i dont think they were involved either. And what I think the thing is that allot of minors in the Caribbean arent aware of how serious it is if you just lie for a friend, I am from the Caribbean and b4 law and order i didnt know you can spend time for that, so if they did pick up for Joran I dont think they knew of the consequence as for Croes, all he was doing was voluteering himself for Deepak, he didnt say Deepak asked him, he said he over heard him say they dropped off the girl and as a good friend, he went in to see if he could help is friend, I just think these ppl are just in a bad situation, but Rachel something doesnt feel right about this case, a boy who has a full scholarship to kill, a girl who is going to be pre-med out there throwing herself at ppl, not knowing what she is doing, doesnt make sense

    566. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:34 pm

      I just think the Arubans need to hurry it up. They should have already found her or charged someone. Maybe this would have happened if the US could help. I dont think they kow what they are doing down there. I just know they need to hurry up and find her.

    567. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 4:36 pm

      Am I seeing some suggestion that the Holloways might take the law into their own hands coming from someone other than myself? I sure wouldn’t be able to hold it against them if they did. I Know that is the point I would be at, and like Sol said, prison wouldn’t be any worse than spending the rest of my life not knowing what happened. I wouldn’t be strong enough to turn the other cheek. Not on something this serious…If that were to happen, there’d be two victims: Natalee and Anita. I really think Anita is as much in the dark as anyone else, and if Joran got what was coming to him she would lose her son and have to live with the knowledge that he died because her husband was a slimeball with the morals of a hyena.

    568. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:37 pm

      They probably wont find her, b/c if these boys did anything i doubt they are going to say anything, i dont think she is buried or thrown out in water, it has been a month and they stll cant find a body, it is either she is still on the island and someone has her or someone took her off the island

    569. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 4:37 pm

      lady ja
      he is smirking… look at the still picture of it

    570. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:37 pm

      Lady you have very good points. THis is all so confusing. Both Joran and Natalee had scholarships. And I keep hearing conflicting things about their behavior. I just wish they would break this case whether the brother and Joran are involved or not.

    571. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:37 pm

      Rachael, remember don’t feed the troll…no matter how high he thinks his IQ is!

    572. hope on June 30th, 2005 4:37 pm

      izzy–:) thanks for the encouragement…gonna go back to lurking and praying

    573. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:38 pm

      Dan what if they really arent involve and the Holloways do something to the VDS then she would end up in jail for no reason, yes he was with her last but tehre is nothing pointing to that boy his daddy or the brohers other than the media blowing stuff out of proportion.

    574. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 4:38 pm

      Rachael- I totally agree, they need to hurry before I lose my job over this. Very unproductive the last two weeks.

    575. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:39 pm

      i’m watching it now

    576. Alexis H on June 30th, 2005 4:39 pm

      Does anyone know Dutch law very well? I am asking because I would like to know, after the 181 days (or however long they have to produce significant evidence to charge with) and the boys are let go, can they still go back and charge them later, say, if they found a body? Or can they only be charged once, or during this time they are being held only?

    577. CharlesII on June 30th, 2005 4:40 pm

      Did you see the latest on a Current Affair? This lady has an inside source that JVDS has an alibi and didn’t have time to dispose of any body, they are starting to look into another American who was on the beach when JDS left Natalee. They are about to go public looking for this Person of Interest, they think he may be a classmate of Natalee’s, how weird?

      Anyways, could it be a jealous boyfriend who saw her have sex with JVDS and then freaked out on her? Wasn’t she a virgin? Very weird, especially them bringing this up after JVDS dad said what he did.

    578. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:42 pm

      rem-i think we might all meet up in unemployment heaven soon!!! Right TRISHER!!!! I think SBM aka (pk) will be there too! LOL LOL

    579. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 4:42 pm

      Alexis – They have to release the boys after maximum 116 days. But when they find new evidence, everything starts all over again, and they can be arrested again.

    580. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:43 pm

      I did look at the still picture and you know what you call that, —-The Media—- they are going to make us think that he is fine and he has no remorse, sweetheart i have been watching this case and realise that i cant really listen to what the media is saying, I can give you an example of the time an attorney was on, I cant remember if it was man or woman and I think it was greta if not on hannity and colmbs, but there was a remark of the boys changing their stories and the atorney said that there is a possibility of the boys saying the same story, from the first day and that nobody dealing with the case gave out any information ont hem changing stories and that made me think so how in the world the media got that, somebody made it up, the same thing with Croes being a drug dealer, its crazy, all lies I cant follow that

    581. Big Pappy on June 30th, 2005 4:44 pm

      I see i missed nothing today :)

    582. Dan in Tx on June 30th, 2005 4:44 pm

      If the Holloways were to do something extreme and ended up taking revenge on the wrong person, it would be on their heads, yes. I am just saying that if I were in Beth’s shoes by now I would be so crazy I would be willing to tear the island up and hurt anyone in my way. I’m not that strong or secure in my faith. If God is going to work any miracles he better do it by Tuesday…

    583. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:45 pm

      jake-yeah, i kind of ran my mouth too much and the wind almost made it to hr. doh! :D

    584. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:46 pm

      I might loose mine too— HA HA

      Anways as to Charles— i never heard she was a virgin, but thats an interesting point you brought up, i have been hearing that all day and maybe that makes sense, i am not picking up for anybody, but this case doesnt look like the door will shut on this till they get the right information, from the right ppl

    585. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 4:46 pm

      Jake- That’s why I keep an old trusty spreadsheet open, I can pull a quick switch when the boss walks in.

    586. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 4:46 pm

      ok…sweetheart, don’t be so defensive… not here to argue i feel sorry for everyone in this situation…..it’s bad all around…..are you from aruba

    587. Polo on June 30th, 2005 4:46 pm

      They need to give all 4 of them (including the father) a Lie detector test.

    588. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:46 pm

      REM I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. I am at work now and it is very hard to work.

      I dont know what the difference is if he is smiling or not. I personally didnt see a smile. He is figiting around and talking to someone. But when he looks at the camera I think it shows he is still a boy and he looks almost frightened. JUST MY OPINION.

    589. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:47 pm

      big papy-nope, not a whole lot.

    590. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 4:47 pm

      Who me, Jake? I sure hope not. I am an incredibly fast worker.

    591. Liz on June 30th, 2005 4:47 pm

      Joran is spoiled and arrogant and I am sure he has gotten into plenty of trouble that his papa had to bail him out of before. At the very least and I do mean very least, they should of wanted to cooperate in the efforts to find her, not concoct bogguss alibis and schemes which threw the whole search for her way off target from the beginning. I firmly believe Joran is behind this, but even if he’s not, he ruined any chance of them finding her. Joran is slime. Paul vad der Sloot is slime. At least one of the Kalpoe boys seems to have some dignity. Paul and Joran can rot in hell.

    592. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:47 pm

      rem I do the same thing i have my spreadsheet open

    593. Peter on June 30th, 2005 4:48 pm

      Rachael,

      You haven’t seen any evidence because it was discarded during their 10 day interim.

    594. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:48 pm

      No i am from jamaica, living in the US

    595. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 4:48 pm

      Rem and Jake – you just press “Show Desktop” on your pc.

    596. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:50 pm

      peter were u there when it was, not being on anyones side

    597. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 4:50 pm

      Guilty or innocent, Joran’s life is over – if there really is a DH, the Lamb will be dealt with when he gets out of the clink. And if DH doesn’t do it, some nutball will take matters into their own hands. That’s how those things work. After publicity falls off, when he least expects it….society in general is just out of hand anymore. I don’t know who did what to whom, but there’s nothing but lives in ruin as far as the eye can see. And still no Natalee. That’s why it’s absolutely certain she didn’t run away — there’s no way any girl who is halfway kind and caring would not find a way to signal from afar that she was OKAY and to call off the brouhaha over her “disappearance.”

    598. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 4:50 pm

      alright ladies and gents- i have to go. see you all in the morning!

    599. WaWa on June 30th, 2005 4:51 pm

      If this case doesn’t soon break I am going to loose my mind.

    600. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 4:51 pm

      Countrymoon and Justin T said the boyfriend thing was way off base. Now I could see the investigation team turning this around to look like an American was involved, wouldn’t you if your country was under this media frenzy?

    601. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 4:52 pm

      I am surprised that some of you even have jobs, I mean with access to a computer and all. My opinion of you has improved somewhat, maybe there is hope that you can reach some level of intelligence.

      Great news!

    602. vander F on June 30th, 2005 4:52 pm

      Liz,
      Your the slime here, judging people you never met.

    603. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 4:52 pm

      lady ja,
      oh ok. how is the law in jamaica

    604. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 4:52 pm

      Where’s 1st amendment – I so wanna give it a hug!

    605. Alexis H on June 30th, 2005 4:53 pm

      Mastermind –
      So say they end up releasing them in 116 days…do they have an order to stay on the island or can they leave?

    606. edie on June 30th, 2005 4:53 pm

      Hi everyone. Any news?

    607. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:53 pm

      Peter- i was about to say that. These people (Joran, Father and Kalpoes) had 10 days to get rid of any evidence in this case.

    608. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 4:54 pm

      Nope – no new news.

    609. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:55 pm

      The law wow, its very funny, honstly if this was in jamaica i think it would have been resloved, b/c we are a country that take sh***t lightly, if the police didnt resolve it the ppl would have, they dont care just as long as we look bad doing it, no offense to Aruba, dont know the country, but I know how my ppl are and this wouldnt have take this long

    610. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 4:56 pm

      Alexis – No they can’t be given an order to stay on the island. But i think they will not stauy at the island anyhow. I think that they take the first plane to the Netherlands.
      In that case, if they find new evidence they can arrest them very fast.

    611. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 4:57 pm

      Warum, for someone to think with a closed mind, makes ppl wonder of your intelligent capacity, yes ppl work in here what do u do, u havent volunteered that u do maybe u are the bum in here and refuse to admit it, so if you hav nothing better to post, shut up!!!!!!

    612. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:57 pm

      edie-Hi. Where have you been all day?

    613. edie on June 30th, 2005 4:57 pm

      Is it true that JVDS dad told him if there was no body no evidence, and if so why are the authorities not doing anything about it?

    614. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 4:57 pm

      EDIE – Hello we’ve missed you

      LADY – Thanks for your comment on the evidence. Atleast someone in here agrees with me. These people are too wrapped up into pointing their figner. Last time I checked, none of the Aruban dectives were in this post.

      LIZ – you sound like such a cold hearted person, I hope God will help you this that.

    615. Jake on June 30th, 2005 4:58 pm

      Trisher, Rachael are you gone?

    616. Shitheed on June 30th, 2005 4:58 pm

      Hey First Amendment, why don’t you get Mommy to give you your tube feeding and then get her to roll your chair close to the window so you can get some sunlight before Daddy gets home from the base to give you your nightly beating and bo fo.

    617. edie on June 30th, 2005 4:59 pm

      I have been end of the week grocery shopping.. Trying to get some of this stuff of of my mind. After a while you really feel like you are a part of NH family

    618. rem05 on June 30th, 2005 4:59 pm

      LadyJA- Easy on Warum, he’s just a little arrogant. Kinda like JVDS.

    619. izzy on June 30th, 2005 4:59 pm

      Damn…more Dutch trolls. Let’s see, it’s almost 11 pm in Amsterdam right now…isn’t that past bedtime for most kids?

    620. Peter on June 30th, 2005 5:00 pm

      ladyJA,

      I knew SOMEBODY would ask that. Some of you are so predictable, you’re boring.

      However, in answer to your predictable question, let me put it to you this way. If I drop an object an environment of positive gravity, I don’t have to LOOK down to know that the object did indeed drop.

      Get it?

    621. weneedanswers on June 30th, 2005 5:00 pm

      I seen earlier that the aruba attorney general so to speak said that they could prosecute the case even if no body was found, has anyone else seen or heard anything of this?

    622. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:00 pm

      thanks rem, but as for JVDS I dont know him, so I wouldnt compare them.

    623. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:01 pm

      I’m here. :)
      I’ve been trying to think of something extremely intelligent or witty to say and nothing is coming.
      I thought they would find NH today cuz I prayed really hard yesterday. It usually works for me.

    624. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:01 pm

      No Jake I am still here.

    625. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:02 pm

      peter I get it, but yall are so quick to point the finger, y, b/c the news said so??? Are you kidding me the news dont even have the factual information, thats all I am saying honey. I wasnt there, except for those that are involved and how things are looking we dont even know who they are

    626. edie on June 30th, 2005 5:04 pm

      Well All, I have some things to do!I just wanted to check in. I am sure I will talk to you all tonight.

    627. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:04 pm

      YOU GO LADY!!!!!! I am so sick of people just pointing their finger!

    628. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:04 pm

      lady JA
      so, jamaicans would probably just kill joran & his friends ?

    629. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:06 pm

      No I’m not saying they would, they would have handled it better, and I never said anything about killing nobody, we have our ways, thats all nothing to kill you know, I honestly feel Aruba needs help

    630. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:06 pm

      This room is filled with HYPOCRITES

    631. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:07 pm

      Jake – in case this board goes loopy again – I just want to say enjoy that family of yours. I’ve found that I hear a lot when I listen and don’t judge or jump to conclusions. This might apply here in this case, too, btw. I offer advice only when asked (cuz they’re older), and they are well aware that I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.

    632. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:08 pm

      I’m sorry yall but these kids arent master minds, there is no way they killed this girl and got rid of her that easy, with after a month nobody knows where she is

    633. Jake on June 30th, 2005 5:08 pm

      Trisher-do your girls all live at home?

    634. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:09 pm

      yes- i agree, i think they are doing all they know to do…. also, I KNOW for a fact that there’s SOO much more (behind the scenes) that we don’t know about- & frankly, we probably NEVER will :(

    635. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:09 pm

      Rachael— who are you calling hypocrites

    636. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:10 pm

      rachel- why you say that

    637. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:10 pm

      Two live away at college, and the oldest lives at home and is a 2nd-3rd grade teacher. They are truly awesome. I am so blessed.

    638. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:10 pm

      I also think that is very much true, but even thought there are information on the low, I still think they dont have the case together, or even have a case. they dont even know what happened to this girl

    639. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 5:11 pm

      rem – Thank you for comparing me with van der S!

      ladyJA – Read my post again, think for a while, then we will talk.

    640. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:11 pm

      LADY you have very good points. Do you think a boy with a full ride scholarship to the US just wakes up one morning and says “I want to mess up my life and my fathers career so I am going to go out tonight (a school night) and find some American girl and just kill her for the fun of it.Then I want to go to school tomorrow.” Doesn’t sound to logical to me.

    641. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:11 pm

      rachel – i wasn’t pointing my finger… just observing what I THOUGHT was a smirk on JVS’s face, thanks

    642. Jake on June 30th, 2005 5:12 pm

      Thanks for the advice Trisher, that was really nice! My girls mean the world to me, and so far I think we are on the right track with them! We spend a lot of time together, and they come to me for EVERYTHING. I hope it stays that way! I have 2 sisters and a brother and we are VERY CLOSE! My girls always tell me, “Mom, how did you know that”? I always tell them that mommy’s know EVERYTHING!

      xoxoxo

    643. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:12 pm

      concerned – “I KNOW for a fact that there’s SOO much more” Really? such as?

    644. Jake on June 30th, 2005 5:13 pm

      Trisher-God Blessed you! You are one lucky lady! Are you a grandma yet?

    645. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:13 pm

      oh, my bad rach, you weren’t talking about me :( oops

    646. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:13 pm

      Concerned I wasn’t calling you a hypocrite but there are a lot in here. No one knows what the hell they are talking about, if they did, natalee would be found by now.

    647. vander F on June 30th, 2005 5:14 pm

      So what if dad told him to shut up.
      Any citizen should know his right to remain silence.
      Blablabla, any idiot should know this, right?

    648. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:16 pm

      Jake – you’re welcome and thanks. No, I am impressed with us cuz we got through the teen years without a pregnancy!
      Rachael -”Concerned I wasn’t calling you a hypocrite but there are a lot in here. No one knows what the hell they are talking about, if they did, natalee would be found by now. ” What does that mean? You’re a tad off base there.

    649. Jake on June 30th, 2005 5:16 pm

      Rach-what’s up with Sim? I don’t think anyone pays much attention to him anymore like before! right?

    650. haas on June 30th, 2005 5:16 pm

      Ach ik vind gewoon dat die amerikanen hun grote bek moeten houden en rustig moeten afwachten tot de onderzoeken ter plekke afgerond zijn. En als die f8ck yanks h8et ter plekke *kuch* heersende justitieel apparaat niet kunnen respecteren moeten ze maar oprotten en voortaan niet meer Aruba komen. Hoe was t ook al “Yankee go home!” of zo?

    651. vander F on June 30th, 2005 5:17 pm

      It’s ridiculous anyway, if dad really was involved, he would have discussed these legal stuff when they were still running around the 10 day’s before arrest wouldn’t he?

    652. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:17 pm

      Warum —–I am surprised that some of you even have jobs, I mean with access to a computer and all. My opinion of you has improved somewhat,-
      maybe there is hope that you can reach some level of intelligence-

      Great news!

      You said maybe there is hope, no sweetheart, there was hope when we were all created individually, and I dont need for u to talk to someone who is less intellegent than I am so good evening

    653. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:18 pm

      Jake, I don’t think anyone takes Simian serious anymore because there have been so many imposters of him

    654. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:20 pm

      vander – Frankly, I think many parents would tell their kids to shut up if they were blabbing about such a thing. Being stupid does not make JVDS guilty. We have the innocent until proven guilty thing going here. I have not condemned the child, nor do I necessarily think he is not guilty. I’m listening and trying to understand the whole business. I want NH to be found – that’s my prime thought.

    655. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:20 pm

      trisher- maybe not for 100% FACT, but just from being glued to my tv every night & being on here EVERY single day, you just pick up on little things…..

      i just can tell by her mom…. she looks some what peaceful 90 % of the time?

      they seem frusterated, but not in despair

      her mom still speaks in present tense

      the interview with alan when she said ” I KNOWONE THING- NATALEE WAS KIDNAPPED”…. then she paused for a second & alan said “SO BETH, YOU KNOW SHE WAS KIDNAPPED?” and she said “YES, I KNOW THESE 3 BOYS KIDNAPPED HER & THEY JKNOW WHERE SHE IS”

      I think that the families & the officials know where she is, who she’s with, etc. I don’t understand why there hasn’t been HARDLY ANY media leaks, can’t explain that one…

      i also think that DJ is sketchy (see his interview also) not sure which station??

    656. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:21 pm

      If I knew my kid was going to school talking about this case the day after she disapeared I would tell them to shut up too. I would explain tot hem how they are making themselves look guilty and they should not be talking about the case. People may percieve things wrong.

    657. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:23 pm

      rachel- i agree

    658. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:23 pm

      Trisher you sound like a good person with good thoughts.

    659. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:23 pm

      Thanks for the explanation Concerned. I thought maybe you some factual info that we didn’t have.

    660. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:24 pm

      does anyone know where country moon is

    661. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:25 pm

      trisher- i wish!

    662. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:25 pm

      Country moon left this morning sometime

    663. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:25 pm

      Thank you Rachael! I try to be objective and understanding. That’s why this is so hard for me. I’m really here trying to get more info and facts; so I kinda let the crapola slide and grab onto what I think is real.

    664. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 5:25 pm

      ladyJA – I will give you a bit more time to open up your mind and let the cells do their work, come on girl you can figure it out!

    665. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:26 pm

      I think Country got tired of the inbreeding (to paraphrase her).

    666. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:26 pm

      If I had a son that I believe wasnt involved, and I am an attorney I would have told him to shut up too, y not. I have to protect mine too, no its not being selfish, its called LOVE

    667. vander F on June 30th, 2005 5:27 pm

      I know Trisher,
      but some people seem to know all just because they think they saw a ‘smirk’ on somebody’s face on television.
      That means ‘of course’ the guy is guilty!??!
      And the new proscecuter Karin Jansen, is known doing a really heavy case in The Netherlands with high profile media coverage, a murdurous gang, and got a guy in jail, WITHOUT a dead body found.
      Not all is lost.

    668. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:28 pm

      i just hope that someone will be man/woman enough to say something! were there ANY other people on the beach that night???? when i was in college & we used to go to the beach, there were like little groups of peopel all over the beach, with bonfires, guitars, etc… too wee hours in the a.m. ??

      also, what’s the story about NH’s ex bfriend?

    669. Karin in Miami on June 30th, 2005 5:28 pm

      To the person that mentions a classmate being jealous after seeing Natalie with Joran: How could a schoolmate have killed her after Joran left her on the beach and been able to dispose of her body and made his plane on time? It seems the most suspicion lies with the liars, because why change stories? Tell the truth from the beginning. I do not buy that they were afraid because they were the last ones seen with her, so? Tell the truth so as not to hamper finding her, so as not to hamper the investigation. For those who want to believe that someone else took her after Joran or the 3 boys left her, why would the suspects have to change stories and implicate security guards? If you know you are innocent and have nothing to hide, there would be no need for these waverings. A parent should realize that too. And if the Dad was only speaking generally that with no body there is no case, then why have the boys agree on a story that was not true, why not have them tell the truth (which is supposed to be the second story now) so we can conclude that is not true, either. I just do not get why the Kalpoe brothers would cover for Joran if they indeed know more, unless they are so brainwashed into believing they will be rewarded for helping him out and are with Paul saying, no body, no case. People seem to forget that there was not just a timeline of that evening to dispose of a body and any evidence, there were 10 days!
      Compulsive liars will believe their own lies so much, it is their reality. Many go by the rule of deny, deny, deny and they are in denial themselves. I do not think Anita is so innocent. She has to know what kind of person her husband is and her son. Just because Joran gets good grades, the fact that he is out late gambling and drinking should say something obvious and of Paul, the fact that he was unable to get a job
      (he wanted) and came to that person for the judge-in-training thing, seems interesting, too. Anyway, let’s just hope that the truth come out somehow SOON and that the police have something in their files that even though we can’t be privy to, can merit some worth!

    670. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 5:28 pm

      You know the bottomline is you can’t trust anybody. Natalee probably should have known this before she went out with the guys. No matter how much you want to trust someone you cant because you always will get hurt. That is very sad. I know many people have learned this. So I don’t know if the boys are guilty, I don’t know them personally or don’t trust them. I also don’t know to completely trust the media because most of the time they are in it for ratings or for the best story. We will not know the complete truth till we find Natalee and even when they do find her, if they ever do, we still may not know the truth.

    671. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:29 pm

      Now vander F – that’s good info – “And the new proscecuter Karin Jansen, is known doing a really heavy case in The Netherlands with high profile media coverage, a murdurous gang, and got a guy in jail, WITHOUT a dead body found.”

    672. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:30 pm

      vander- i NEVER said i thought JVS was guilty or NOT! I was just commenting on the smirk! geezzzz…. lighten up peeps!

    673. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 5:32 pm

      Warum- your name should be worm, no comment, bye

    674. Mark 2 on June 30th, 2005 5:35 pm

      First Amendment – Although I can think of many examples of this group knowing what was going on before the press did (knowing the search team getting a “hit” at a pond for one), my time is better spent in other ways than trying to convince you that I should have a reason to be impressed. Have a good day.

    675. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 5:39 pm

      Rachael said:

      “Concerned I wasn’t calling you a hypocrite but there are a lot in here. No one knows what the hell they are talking about, if they did, natalee would be found by now”.

      Bravo. This post is the most assertive I’ve ever seen from you.

      Your getting stronger – less needy. Thats a good thing.

      Trisher: do you really want to hug “it” that badly? If so here “it” is baby.

      Jake: I had no idea you were a woman (and a mother at that ?). Sorry about the tone of some of the earlier slings, but not sorry about getting even with some of the stupid things you said in this direction.

    676. new girl on June 30th, 2005 5:40 pm

      Greetings folks…

      This new Simian is not the “real” Simian. This new Simian’s verbiage is littered with Americanisms. I doubt Arubans use the abbreviation “i.e.” which was used by a Simian poster today. Also, he’s made two Yale/Ivy League references (“Skull & Bones-like secret society”, “Ivy intelligence”), a reference to the state bird of Alabama, and he now seems to be suggesting that people turn their focus in the EXACT OPPOSITE direction than the original Simian.

      Furthermore, today’s Simian refused to respond to questions in Spanish, unlike original Simian, and ignored 2 questions about where the searchers were today, which is precisely the type of info that original Simian had access to.

      I think Simian got pissed about the imposters and is gone. If he comes back, I think it will be under a different name.

    677. new girl on June 30th, 2005 5:43 pm

      I’ll be checking back in soon. I hope some of today’s clutter clears out.

    678. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:46 pm

      Yay, First you are back. Not it baby, just you. Now, tell me, what does feel like to be the product of inbreeding? I am totally open minded.

    679. binbei on June 30th, 2005 5:46 pm

      vanderF dutch a**hole seems to forget that it is a damn dutch boy with his F**king surinam matties…with father flikker van der sloot…

      which is causing damage to us arubans/ and our (solely ours) 1-happy-island.

      or stated differently…those invloved in this NH case are not even locals. to a certain degree i admit that the judicial power is indeed in hands of the dutch. the executive power (a lesser extent legislative power) is defintely in hands of the locals. As a consequence of trias politica..it is only judicial power (with Supreme Court in the Holland) that is at work right now.!!!!!!
      please, my americans friends….bash on the netherlands and not on aruba

      here i send u the biggest dutch blog http://www.geenstijl.nl…please destroy them with your criticism.

    680. binbei on June 30th, 2005 5:49 pm

      trisher…u dunno what life is all about

    681. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:50 pm

      Wo binbei – how nasty can you be?

    682. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 5:50 pm

      ladyJA – Thank you for your wise words!

    683. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 5:50 pm

      Rachael and LadyJA, Im happy more people are questioning the guilt of Joran now. The first time everyone was pointing their fingers at him and his father and friends. Sure, many things lead into their direction. But there is just no proof. Thanks.

    684. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 5:51 pm

      binbei – sukkel!

    685. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 5:51 pm

      All right, I’m getting giddy from all the fun. Talk to you all tomorrow.

    686. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 5:52 pm

      Id like to turn things around. What if youre the parent of a wrongly accused boy of 17. Jorans pictures have been over the world and on the small island of Aruba the family will have a very hard time in the future, even if he is not found guilty. More lives destroyed.

    687. Mastermind on June 30th, 2005 5:52 pm

      Binbei, you poor soul!

    688. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 5:55 pm

      @ Yolanda
      Then turn things around.
      If Joran is indeed innocent, the Dutch law makes it possible to sue anyone who thougt otherwise, he can sue anyone publishing his foto, anyone who mentioned his full name.
      If Joran is innocent, he is going to be a rich man.

    689. vander F on June 30th, 2005 5:57 pm

      @binbei
      Correct,
      I can hardly believe that somebody ‘fresh’ from The Netherlands can be close to the local situation.
      And I myself already pointed out before on this log that it was a Dutch guy and 2 surinam guy’s and not any Aruban.
      Told them to stop this Aruba boycot bullsh*t.

    690. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 5:57 pm

      King, money doesnt make everything okay.

    691. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 5:59 pm

      *destroy GeenStijl, you kidder*

    692. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 5:59 pm

      ya’ll have a good night! thanks for the conversations’– they were interesting …what time do any specials air tonight?? anyone know?

    693. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:02 pm

      @ YolandE
      But it can fix a lot of problems. True is that the boy’s career has been ruined. He was allready accepted at a American University, but I think that off. Because the boy will have no live out there, I think
      @ vander F
      Yeah good idea to tell them to stop the Aruba boycot, Now they are gonna boycot us
      Tel uit je winst.

    694. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 6:02 pm

      king – now you talk like an american, sue until you drop…

    695. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:04 pm

      @ Warum
      Oh my god. They got me, please shoot me :-p

    696. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:05 pm

      Laat maar komen die Yanks.
      Het kleine Aruba pesten, durven ze wel!
      Kom maar Kom maar kom maar.
      Daar hebben ze de middelen niet voor met hun achterlijk grote staatsschuld.
      The need the $$

    697. Sooz on June 30th, 2005 6:07 pm

      Hi NewGir. Good work last night. Very interesting posts. I came back to post after following your links around, but I think you had already gone to bed.

    698. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:07 pm

      LOL@ vanderF
      But you dont post it in English because in your hart you are afraid you just gave them am idea?

    699. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 6:09 pm

      I’m back

    700. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 6:10 pm

      F / King – No yankee (northern) would boycott Holland, maybe the southern states would but then again these people only shop ‘made in the USA’

    701. Mono on June 30th, 2005 6:10 pm

      El Mono no hace predicciones. Solo pasa informacion. Chica Nueva, no pongas tus pantaletas en un nudo.

    702. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:11 pm

      @ King,
      absolutely not, I told them before in this log the last weeks.
      En dat Engels typen is ook een stuk lastiger en langzamer reaguren.

    703. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:13 pm

      Hey Sooz! Last night was like a great catharsis, LOL. I wish I had more ideas today.

    704. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 6:14 pm

      Yolande good to hear that you are a smart person and do not believe everything the media is stating. Yes I watch Greta everynight. but something with joran just doesn’t seam right. And if he is guilty I m sure I will come to terms and understand why, right now I guess I don’t see it. I think LADY can agree to some aspect.

    705. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:14 pm

      @ vanderF
      Oke, ben het in ieder geval wel met je eens dat de Amerikanen ons moeten aanvallen, dan komt de wereldheerschappij weer een stukje dichterbij. Because geenstijl will then be an American weblog, so we will have more influence.

    706. Elizabeth on June 30th, 2005 6:15 pm

      I lived near the beach as a child and we used to dig big pits in the sand and bury people with their heads sticking out for fun. It makes me think of how easy it would have been for someone to dig a deep hole in the sand and bury her on the beach. My letter went out to DC today. I have a 17 yo daughter and I can’t imagine what BHT is going through.

    707. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:16 pm

      Wow, mono – that was rude! Don’t worry about my panties, eh? You are the one who sounds bothered.

      New Girl “solo pasa informacion” tambien.

    708. Chimes on June 30th, 2005 6:16 pm

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      P.O. Box 11426
      Birmingham, Al 35202

    709. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:18 pm

      Hello Monkeys! What’s new today? I haven’t had a chance to read all the posts today, just the most recent ones. I see there are some who are questioning JvdS’ guilt. Good for you! We have to question everything, even if it brings us back to JvdS as the guilty one!

      I hope I’m not repeating any old news but just in case: it was confirmed today that the whole story around the police commissioner being Joran’s godfather is false.

    710. FreeMe on June 30th, 2005 6:18 pm

      Get Yoran Free Fund
      Piggybank
      P.O. Box 123
      Oranjestad, Aruba

    711. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:18 pm

      @ Elizabeth
      17 years old? What is her phone number and is she hot?? :P

      By the way. why is it that sometimes i see that “my comment is awaitening moderation”?

    712. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:20 pm

      binbei, are you still here? Don’t be driven away by the obnoxious Dutch bloggers.

    713. Mono on June 30th, 2005 6:20 pm

      Claro que lo de tus pataletas era en broma. No hay vaqueros en la costa. Se dice que se estan acostando muy tempranos. Este cuenta va a tomar una vuelta inesperada muy pronto.

    714. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:20 pm

      And for the polite Dutch bloggers, I was not referring to you.

    715. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 6:20 pm

      Trisher: sorry no inbreeding here – I wouldn’t want to steal your fire. Have a good night.

    716. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 6:21 pm

      Wow, some of you actually believe Joran will live to see the end of college — and you call us naive?

    717. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 6:22 pm

      First Amendment you have been quite rude today

    718. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:22 pm

      @King,hey, the Yankee’s are free to come trolling at http://www.geenstijl.nl/
      But they haven’t met Joris yet ; )

    719. izzy on June 30th, 2005 6:24 pm

      Yliana, thanks for sharing that. The rumor has been circulating but I hadn’t heard anything definitive one way or the other.

    720. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 6:24 pm

      vander, I like that site. Especially like the picture of you guys from June 30. You all have such nice legs (and pink is your color!) ;)

    721. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:25 pm

      Mono, it has been many years since I spoke Spanish, but I can try:

      Quiero aprender la verdad. Si usted puede proporcionarlo, soy agradecido.

    722. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 6:26 pm

      bye everyone

    723. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:27 pm

      A committee has been installed by the government to counter all the misinformation broadcast by the international media, particularly CNN and Foxnews, as it regards the ins and outs of the legal system.

    724. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:29 pm

      Mono, si usted es el Simian, estoy alegre usted he vuelto.

      Okay, I admit I am using a translator to help me out here, pero soy una muchacha americana perezosa –  ¿quà © puede usted esperar?

      : )

    725. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 6:31 pm

      What exactly does that mean Yli? and hello again all

    726. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:32 pm

      No offense to you Yliana, but I kind of laughed about your last post.

      Should we Americans send George W. Bush down to Aruba to assist in the misinformation campaign?

    727. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:33 pm

      @AnnaMaria
      No Style Pink, colour of world domination!
      And we’re not all low forehead mongrels over there,there are some bright minds around, but GeenStijl is definitly not politacally correct!
      And that is a compliment.

    728. Sooz on June 30th, 2005 6:34 pm

      Yliana, thanks for that info. I wonder how the committee will be disseminating their information to the CNN and Fox News viewers, or maybe they are just working on educating the hosts. Maybe they will be on tonight’s shows.

      I wonder if the American media will be closing up shop and pulling out of Aruba for the long holiday.

    729. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:34 pm

       ¿Mono, donde esta?  ¿Leyà ³ los mensajes a partir del ayer por la noche?

    730. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:35 pm

      Hopefloats – well, that means that the competition between CNN and Fox has become such that only to outdo the other, rumours and tabloid-like allegations are told as if they were the truth.

      Of course beneathe every story lies a bit of truth but just little bit. We will be hearing more on the specifics soon.

    731. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 6:36 pm

      Yliana:

      With no disrespect to you or your country, the “disinformation” runs both directions. If your spokespeople would be straightforward, if your suspects would stop changing stories and if they could stop pointing fingers of blame at Natalee, her father’s phony insurance policies and Natalee’s 9th grade boyfriends….if some real progress rather than lip service would be made in this case….there’d be no need for conjecture and speculation by the media. Not saying they wouldn’t do it — just that it’s being fueled by what appears to be a cover-up by those handling the case.

    732. Chimes on June 30th, 2005 6:36 pm

      The post re: Natalee’s Trust Fund is legitimate.

    733. Mono on June 30th, 2005 6:37 pm

      El Mono se canso. De impostores y de imitadores.

    734. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 6:37 pm

      ok thanks Yli

    735. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:38 pm

      I didn’t mean to be rude Yliana…I’ apologize, because it probably was rude.

    736. watcher on June 30th, 2005 6:38 pm

      Does anyone know why the discussion forums at Scared Monkeys are down?

    737. Chimes on June 30th, 2005 6:38 pm

      Muy, bien, gracias.

    738. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 6:38 pm

      I guess its hard the relay the truth when noone seems to be telling it

    739. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:41 pm

      @ vander F
      stop bothering, they wont come to geenstijl, because it looks like they are afraid to here anything else what doesn’t fit in their narrow streets. Hopefully they prove i am wrong

    740. FreeMe on June 30th, 2005 6:41 pm

      AnnaMaria – with your post you show the disrespect of aruba/the netherlands, think about it.

    741. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:41 pm

      AnnaMaria – just because suspects are lying does not mean that the prosecutor is lying. The simple fact that you don’t hear much is because the investigation is still going on and it would jeopardise the case to divulge anything the police or the prosecutor discover.

      This whole cover-up story is merely an attack on the fact that you (and I don’t mean you personally) don’t receive continuous or detailed progress of the case. This, again, does not mean that either the Holloway family or the public are not being told the truth

    742. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:42 pm

      Comprendo su frustracià ³n. Pero deseamos que usted permanecerà ­a con nosotros. Por favor…

      (I am guessing “permanecerà ­a” might be the wrong verb, but I hope it is close enough)

    743. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 6:43 pm

      Yli i surely hope that is the case I have been hoping that for a while now that they have alot more than we know since the system seems to be they don’t divulge any information. I also hope they NOONE is being told what they have that being the ones that are officials for the defense and the suspects and parents alike

    744. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:43 pm

      new girl – no offense taken

    745. BGGruff on June 30th, 2005 6:43 pm

      We will have alot of apologizing to do if Joran is innocent of a crime. Whatever misinformation campaign has been going on seems to go both ways and could just be used to cover more foul ups by the authorities. “we found the body” oh! never mind …”they admitted they lied” oops I spoke too soon.. what a joke. Have you ever seen such a circus. This “filter” they are installing (the misinformation campaign buster) will probably just be filtering OUT the truth. Apologies for being skeptical…I am just as frustrated with our media for not being factual in their releases.

    746. new girl on June 30th, 2005 6:45 pm

      Yliana, is it true or is it false that there is an element of organized crime with SOME influence in Aruba?

    747. FreeMe on June 30th, 2005 6:45 pm

      The ‘sensual’ picture of a woman at the top freaks out most bible belters, they logoff, read the bible ask their priest for forgiveness and go on with their shallow lives

    748. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 6:46 pm

      Oh, I understand Yliani, the reasons why it is so. Some of them are legitimate and others, well, who knows? The whole Van der Straaten godfather issue, so fast on the heels of PVdS being let go, created great suspicion with the family, the press, and the more cynical among us. I’m just explaining part of why the media is so rabid (or rather, what reasons they might give) but I know they’d be speculating anyway. Media is fueled by ratings, and this case seems to pull in big numbers for them.

    749. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:48 pm

      @King,
      GeenStijl moet internationaal!
      Dit log mist duidelijk een Joris BTW.

    750. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:48 pm

      Hope – trust me, it has been a great frustration to us all – we want to know what happened to NH, we want to know how exactly JvdS and the K bros are involved and what role PvdS played in all of this. Mostly we watn this case solved, especially to give a peace of mind to the Holloways but also so that we can get back to normal.

    751. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 6:49 pm

       ¿Nuevo y mono, usted realiza que la gente puede seguir el gist de su conversacià ³n cueste lo que cueste, a la derecha? BTW, convengo. El deseo mono permanecerà ­a con nosotros.

    752. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 6:51 pm

      I know Yli and thanks again

    753. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:51 pm

      @ vander F
      Ben ik met je eens. wereldheerschappij door blogdominantie. Weet jij trouwens waarom er dit achter mijn comments staat : Your comment is awaitening moderation?
      Misschien zouden Lukas eens moeten tippen?

    754. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 6:52 pm

      trolls – are you here? come out, come out wherever you are !! Dutch, American, Martian – I dont care just troll on

    755. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 6:52 pm

      New girl – to say NO would probably be incorrect. However, organized crime translates into issues of money laundering and not murder. It’s more white collar organized crime if you will.

    756. Maya99 on June 30th, 2005 6:52 pm

      Yliana – that is good news as the MSM has been very arbitrary and irresponsible in its reportage, IMHO. They report bits and pieces of stories without giving all the information to support their slant.

    757. MACK on June 30th, 2005 6:53 pm

      I see the TROLLS are still here. HHmmm, thought they’d go somewhere else to cause disruption. Darn……. :(

    758. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:55 pm

      @King,
      Je bent vast stout geweest!
      Ik kan hier nog gewoon commenten.

    759. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:56 pm

      @ MACK
      Don’t worry
      we were just posting in Dutch because it was totally off topic and you wouldn’t understand it anyway.
      Besides you are too much fun when being trolled.

    760. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 6:58 pm

      everyone moved?

    761. TNGirl on June 30th, 2005 6:58 pm

      I have following qustions:

      1. Why would Joran boast of his Sex with NH at school the following day (if he knew she is missing or murdered)? That would tell us he is innocent as far her disappearance is concerned. He shut up only after dad told him that she is missing and he should keep a low profile.

      2. Why did the DJ give alibis for the 3 that he saw them dropping off NH at HI …. when he did not even know the 3 boys?

      Thank you.

    762. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 6:58 pm

      So nobody read my genius *kuch* Elvis Story? :(

    763. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 6:58 pm

      Ich denke, daß der vatie etwas weiß, das diesen fall là ¶sen kann, was denke sie?

    764. vander F on June 30th, 2005 6:59 pm

      @All
      I’m not trolling,
      Having a conversation in Dutch.
      It’s quite International on this log.

    765. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 7:01 pm

      TNGirl: Steve Croes first said he knew one of the 3 boys then later said he knew none of them. Therefore he is a liar and not to be believed

      Joran looks like the type to brag about having sex with any blonde

    766. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 7:01 pm

      I’m waiting for the evening news to catch the images of the silent prayer held today for NH.

    767. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 7:01 pm

      TNgirl I have a question too why a guy go to a beach with a drunk drugged girl in the first place?

    768. vander F on June 30th, 2005 7:02 pm

      TNG,
      true, why brag when something went terribly wrong?
      @King,
      Elvis is dead, face it.
      @Warum,
      keine ahnung, denke aber nicht.

    769. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 7:02 pm

      @ vander F
      Excuses excuses…
      you are trolling because you don’t go along with the mainstream here, and now they dont have fun anymore discussing how Natalie was murdered.
      Update: The CIA has been reqruiting spies at Quantanamo bay to spy in the Netherlands.

    770. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 7:03 pm

      If this is a COVER UP, I hope the whole entire world comes down hard on these Aruban politicos. I mean it! What the hell is going on here, folks? ?????

    771. TNGirl on June 30th, 2005 7:03 pm

      Elizabeth:

      If body is buried in sand on beach, the dogs will get the scent

    772. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 7:03 pm

      warum – ich habe keine Ahnung!

    773. TNGirl on June 30th, 2005 7:05 pm

      HopeFloats:

      It os obvious that Joran & NH wanted to have some intimate fun with each other. That is why she slipped out of C&C with him

    774. new girl on June 30th, 2005 7:05 pm

      Yliana, thank you for your understanding.

      I will only speak for myself here. I have doubts and suspicions about some of the people in power in Aruba. It seems very likely that the native Aruban islanders are truly kind and wonderful people. I am sure many others living in Aruba are kind and wonderful as well. However, there are published accounts, and litigated cases, that allege that organized crime has a hold over some important Aruban organizations and officials. Including elements of law enforcement or government, and including elements of Aruban media. So I will view everything that happens in this case, from today until I do not think about this case anymore, with a healthy dose of suspicion.

      I am not Aruban. I do not know who is truthful there, and who is more likely to be motivated by $$ than truth.

      These worries are not a slam against Aruba, or the Dutch, or the police or government, because they are only that – worries.

      And a large part of my skepticism and doubt arises from the “misinformation campaign” launched in my OWN country, by some in my own government, with at least some level of media complicity (or at least indifference). I think many Americans have had a rude awakening of our OWN susceptibility to the lies of trusted government officials.

      So, speaking for myself, my lack of trust in the information being provided by Aruban authorities is based upon some credible reports of the influence of organized crime there, coupled with the perceived missteps in the early phases of the Holloway investigation and the fact that I now believe that governments, like celebrities, are VERY capable of of massive media manipulation. ALL governments.

    775. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 7:06 pm

      trolls make the world go round. I like all of their different hair colors (fluorescent green,fluorescent orange,etc…)

      how could anyone dislike those cute little trolls with those little amber colored eyes that seem to be looking right through you?

      how many of you have trolls at home?

      come on, its okay to admit it.

      anyone know the world record for a troll collection (excluding this blog) ???

    776. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 7:06 pm

      TNGirl – I don’t think the equu search will find anything because I truely believe she is to be found somewhere indoors – where Equu can not search

    777. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 7:07 pm

      1st Amendment – you are so immature

    778. vander F on June 30th, 2005 7:07 pm

      @King,
      interesting wasn’t it, letting people out of gitmo having a job offered by the CIA.
      But back to the case:
      Still no case…………….

    779. Warum? on June 30th, 2005 7:10 pm

      FA – Have trolls at home? I am the ruler of troll city, you bow for me you unerwunschte trolle

    780. Shitheed on June 30th, 2005 7:11 pm

      Geez, First Amendment, I know you’ve got a lot of repressed anger since the first time Daddy did THAT to you and Mommy didn’t stop him but do you eally need to take it out here? Does Daddy still bitch because your chair gets in the way?

    781. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 7:12 pm

      @ vander F
      indeed no case, why are we wasting our time here? Oh yeah i remember: Amerikanen jennen

    782. BGGruff on June 30th, 2005 7:12 pm

      had to change my name…it was hope… just so none thinks I’m trolling..not that you would…anyway…

    783. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 7:12 pm

      TNgirl it’snot obvious she wanted anything other than a ride to the HI which was what she asked Joran for. Anything else that was given to her could have all been being rejected and if she wasn’t in a state of mind to know what was going on there is not way she could make a decesion for herself. He himself said “he had won some of her money back that she lost gambling and she referred to him as her “lucky charm” maybe she trusted him a little too much after he did such a “nice” gesture.

    784. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 7:13 pm

      asta la vista people. I love you guys.

      As always, I am holding out for the same thing we all seem to be -closure for Natalee and closure for as many missing people as possible, as soon as possible.

      Shalom

      Peace

      Paz

    785. new girl on June 30th, 2005 7:13 pm

      I hope I didn’t offend any Americans here either. I LOVE America. I just want Arubans to know that any doubts that I have about their government are the same doubts I have about my own government (regardless of which party is in charge), and any other government. I just mean to say that I am no longer naive in offering trust as I once was.

    786. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 7:15 pm

      new girl you have a right to your opinion and there was a lot of truth to your posting

    787. scaredshitless on June 30th, 2005 7:16 pm

      new girl – i thought you were American! Are you???

    788. vander F on June 30th, 2005 7:16 pm

      It’s bedtime down here,
      Ciao folks.

      En nog effe op GS kijken…..

    789. Yliana on June 30th, 2005 7:17 pm

      new girl – indeed all govts are never completely forthcoming or a lot have corrupt tendencies or are completely untrustworthy. I can understand your skepticism and cynicism when it comes to the politics of other countries because you have the US govt as an example of how bad things can get and transfer that judgement on other countries.

      I don’t mean any disrespect by that – it is a natural logic. You believe what you know. In Aruba – we struggle with these issues all the time as well. Do we trust our politicians, can we believe in our legal system – well, we have to to some degree because that is what we have and looking around, nobody really has the perfect solution. Our legal system is working for us, granted some changes need to be made but in general it works. So I will trust the system until I have reason not to anymore.

    790. new girl on June 30th, 2005 7:17 pm

      Anna y “el Mono”-

      Creo que he encontrado la discusià ³n que usted ha mencionado. Le buscarà © ambos en ese lugar.

    791. Sooz on June 30th, 2005 7:17 pm

      Not offended here.

      Shep just announced that Greta will be interviewing the Police Chief tonight. That should be very interesting.

    792. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 7:17 pm

      Shitheed: you seem to have some very accurate descriptions of what your father – I mean, what you think other peoples fathers did to them.

      Dont vent your personal experiences on the blog.

      Its boring and kind of disgusting.

      Its okay for you to talk about what daddy did to you in discussion groups.

      You’ll be okay, but get help before you become the next Menendez case.

    793. Tom on June 30th, 2005 7:27 pm

      EVERYONE … PLEASE START THINKING ABOUT MIGRATING OVER TO THE DISCUSSION FORUMS AND REGISTER.

      YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR HERE WHEN TRAFFIC IS HIGH

      YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE COMMENT FIELD SHUT OFF WHEN TRAFFIC IS HIGH

      EVENTUALLY WE ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE COMMENT AREA. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE AND THE “FORUM” IS A MUCH EASIER PLACE TO COMMUNICATE AND RESPOND TO SPECIFIC COMMENTS.

      PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS, WE ARE WINDING DOWN THE COMMENTS IN THIS FORMAT. THERE ARE MODERATORS IN THE DISCUSSION FORUM TO HELP YOU.

      THANKS

    794. Maya99 on June 30th, 2005 7:36 pm

      On Greta last night, she interviewed a cell phone purveyor from Aruba who was one of the first people the Holloways wanted to talk with upon arriving. It seems like they wanted information regarding calls made from a rental cell phone from his company.

      This got me thinking abot information that was coming out early in the disappearance, and if I have any of this wrong, if these were rumors were disproved, please someone tell me. One of the problems I have understanding a lot of this is that early information regarding the teens on the trip, the Holloways and Natalee, herself, isn’t discussed because it might jeopardize the investigation, while rampant speculation and accusations sre directed to others. My hope is that Natalee is found unharmed and returned to her family, and none of this is a slam toward her or them, I just want to know the full truth wherever it leads. That said:

      Do any of you remember early on that a call was placed to Beth saying she was kidnapped (could this have something to do with the Aruban cell phone renter?).

      Wasn’t there an initial poster with a message asking Natalie to call home and listing Beth’s phone number?

      Does anyone know if there is really a closed FBI file regarding Natalee running away oe being missing in Costa Rica?

      Again, this is not to dis Natalee or her family. I’m just trying to eliminate or revisit earlier reports that came to mind after last night’s interview.

    795. Shitheed on June 30th, 2005 7:44 pm

      Sheesh, First Amendment, I expected more than a Pee Wee Herman “I know you are but what am I? ” response. Of course when one has the problems that you obviously have I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised.

    796. barebones on June 30th, 2005 8:01 pm

      Tom,
      Tried to register there earlier today and still haven’t gotten confirmation for registering, and the discussion board is down. Any thoughts as to when registeration will go through?

    797. max on June 30th, 2005 8:03 pm

      tom does it cost to register? and how do you do what you are suggesting?

    798. wootang on June 30th, 2005 8:14 pm

      jORAN ( PRONOUNCED URINE) AND THE COWPOLE BROTHERS COVERED UP THEIR TRACKS …..MR VANDERSLUT TOLD THE BOYS WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT NOT TO SAY …”IF THEY CANT FIND SHIT , YOU MUST AQUIT”

    799. Chimes on June 30th, 2005 8:25 pm

      Perhaps.

    800. Jim G-Austin, TX on June 30th, 2005 8:30 pm

      What about those old MINE SHAFTS someone mentioned were on the island…..That might be a perfect place to hide a body at 3 AM, especially if you didn’t have access to a BOAT…

    801. LouLou on June 30th, 2005 8:36 pm

      Maya99 – One of the problems I have understanding a lot of this is that early information regarding the teens on the trip, the Holloways and Natalee, herself, isn’t discussed because it might jeopardize the investigation, while rampant speculation and accusations sre directed to others.
      Not quite.
      It isn’t the investigation that they are worried about. All discussion about the trip before she got into the car is quashed in attempt to sanitize her reputation. This board has two unique qualities. They have participants from Mountain View and from Aruba. In each case, as a condition of their participation, all lines of investigation that might reflect negatively on either Aruba, the chaperones, the Mountain Brook Teens, or Natalie are disallowed. This doesn’t leave much to talk about except demonizing JVS and his family and congratulating each other on their wit and wisdom.

    802. Dan from Iowa on June 30th, 2005 8:47 pm

      Hey y’all. I’ve been lurking for the last week or so. I don’t ever have time to read all of the comments – but I do scroll down and catch the jist of what’s being said. Not to point the finger to or away from anyone – I just don’t see how some teenage kids could hide a body (if there is one) so well. They would definitely have to have help (I think)

    803. Chimes on June 30th, 2005 9:38 pm

      Dan in Iowa, I’ve traveled through your terrain and liked it. Welcome to the current thought. Many in agreement about hiding the body, and the repetitive How? When? Where? and we want the answers now, since the disappearance of Natalee. Since tide of information on blog as been low. ‘seems like we are and can be getting on each other nerves, but then on the other hand, bloggers are accepting other’s (for the most part) freedom of speculation. ‘Hope that you are doing well.

    804. Chimes on June 30th, 2005 9:57 pm

      Is everybody on “time out?”

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