RSSNatalee Holloway; Breaking Aruba News - Croes Released - Now Paul Van der Sloot
As reported earlier and now confirmed by CNN, Steven Croes will be released tomorrow at 1:oo pm because of lack of evidence according to his attorney.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — Steve Croes, a disc jockey who was arrested in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, will be released Monday because of a lack of evidence against him, his attorney, Eleni Lotterhoman, said Sunday following a court hearing.
There was no word yet on how the judge may have ruled in the detention of the other four suspects.
Croes, 26, worked on a party boat on the island.
Sunday’s hearing was postponed from Saturday because the judge being flown in from the nearby island of Curacao was delayed, said David Kock, defense attorney for 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe, one of the suspects.
So far it appears from sources that the other four will remain in custody, but unconfirmed.
The other suspects include Kalpoe’s 21-year-old brother, Deepak Kalpoe; their 17-year-old friend, Joran Van Der Sloot; and his father, Paul Van Der Sloot, 53.
AP: Judge in Aruba Orders Release of Party Boat DJ Held in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A judge ordered Aruban police Sunday to release a party boat disc jockey held in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying authorities did not have enough evidence against him, the man’s lawyer said.
“The judge agreed there is not enough proof he was involved to keep holding him,” said Croes’ lawyer, Eleni Lotter-Homan.
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6:00 pm - BREAKING NEWS: Fox News -
Suspect’s Father to Be Released
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The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot and party boat disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes to be released in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them. The other three suspects will remain in custody for another eight days, according to a court clerk.
The lawyer representing Paul van der Sloot, whose arrest has garnered the most attention, said Sunday that his client has waived his right not to testify against his son. Under Aruban law, parents have the option to refuse to testify against their children. In waiving that right, Paul van der Sloot is essentially agreeing to take the stand.
Video from The Political Teen of Paul Van der Sloot to be let go and waives his right to testify against his son.
From The Birmingham News, Suspect’s father released in Aruba case
The father of a Dutch suspect arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager was freed from jail on Sunday, hours after a judge ordered the release of a party boat disc jockey also held in the case.
Paul van der Sloot, a high-ranking justice official studying to be a judge on the Dutch Caribbean island, had been arrested Thursday as a suspect for collaborating in a crime with his 17-year-old son, according to his lawyer.
“A little bit of the nightmare clouds are now disappearing,” van der Sloot’s wife, Anita, told The Associated Press. “The truth will always come forward. From the beginning, I trusted everything would be fine.”
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Does this now blow the theory that DJ provided the vessel for dumping the body?
Who is Lorenzo? Was he instrumental? What of the blue van?
The sword will fall on whom? Please clarify.
I don’t know if this will work, but this thread weaves a tapestry…
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1188
It’s cruel hard to say that, but it was horrible to see when she run to swim @ Malmok, and Joran tried to stop her (unsuccessfully), and she drowned…
Thank you, Chimes. I was there but did not keep track of threads. I have been especially attentive to psychic, Simian, Checkme, Monkey, etc.
Van Der Sloot has WAIVED his right NOT to testify against his son. Meaning, it’s possible the father will testify against Joran.
Peter, how do you know?
Chimes, who is Lorenzo? Is it the party who transported her body?
What appears to be the case:
Natalee went to an apt. (Joran’s?) or another residence to party. She was drugged or accepted a potent drug; was raped, fought, was killed- accidently or not.
The body needed to be discarded. Father was consulted; he or another party disposed of body.
just heard on Fox that the father Waived his right not to testify.
That means he may tell the truth???
it keeps on getting thicker…..
REALITY: The single most important piece of evidence is always the body. The police have no other evidence, so far i am aware, to bring ANYONE to trial. By now, Natalie is probably fish food. However, we will continue to see more hystrionics because the wealthy, 4.0 version of Barbie did a very stupid thing. People who feel they’re special think that nothing will ever happen to them. American corporate media LOVES when this sort of think happens because there’s lots and lots of money to be made off of this family’s narcissism….. millions folks… millions. Natalie is not “everbody’s daughter”…. PLEASE!!!! I guess I missed out on the chartered flight to a Caribbean Island, all expenses paid, with spending money so I could get hammered at the club of my choice, and jump into a car driven by 2 men I’ve NEVER met, so I can start sucking face with one that I’ve know a couple of days. What’s at the end of a college education…a breast implant operation followed by a recovery period in the Amalfi Coast? Other missing daughters don’t SEEM to be able to get all of Southern America on their knees to pray to their very special invisible man- an invisible man who’s of course better than anybody else’s invisible man. 2,100 reports of missing adolescents come into the FBI, per DAY, yet none of those adolescents make it to CNN, Fox, NBS, MSN, Larry King…. let alone Aruba!
Yes, it’s truly unfair what happens to blondes in our country. This REALLY belongs on Saturday Night Live…. It’d be hysterical!
I heard cores, originally,voluntarily went to police to state he saw the three drop natalle off at the HI. He’s still guilty in my book - still involved. There is no way in hell I’m lying for a friend.
sorry….croes
Sarcasm, judgment, or possibly envy?
Barbie?? Stereotyping leads to dead ends in understanding life, others, yourself.
Yes, Natalee could be anyone’s child– those who are parents or who care for children understand what this means.
Well written concerned. She is anyones daughter
Meaning, it’s possible the father will testify against Joran>>>
Peter, not necessary AGAINST, it could in his son’s favour, whcih I believe it’s goinf to happen.
SSays- my last statement was for you. Do not be close-minded about people who have much. They are no happier than you.
And- This is not SNL material, even they have standards!
Lorenzo may or could be another witness. Many question(ed) in 1188 who he is.
I can’t believe the “Barbie” comment. I have a 24 year old daughter and she’s beautiful just like Natalee. This could be anyone’s child and our thoughts need to be with her family and this horrible time they are going through.
Chimes, why the name Lorenzo?
Is it cryptic?
S Says…. Please remember that we have an alert system in the US for ANY AND EVERY MISSING CHILD that the FBI feels could be involved in foul play. AMBER ALERT is NOT just for the wealthy!
I do think this girl could be anyone’s child. I live in NJ…not far from Meagan Kanka for whom MEGAN’S LAW was passed. She was a working class child who was killed by a sex offender.
I have also lived in the South. You’d have to understand southernors…almost anyone might have had a friend with a plane. I did. And they were not wealthy. Didn’t even own a home…but was a pilot.
Natalee was a lovely child I’m sure of it knowing the place she grew up.
Concerned, your guess is as good as mine on this one.
I’ve heard 2 stories on Lorenzo Van Rijn. I read that he’s allegedly JVDS half-brother by an affair PVDS had w/another woman and I also heard that he may be the guy with the blue van that the blogs are talking about who went crazy when his father committed suicide a few years ago. Both may be false. I read these on Riehlworldview, but they reference Scared Monkey’s as where they info came from. I think I also saw something about it on Amy Kappel’s blog. If you google the name, it takes you to Dan Riehl’s blog.
Lorenzo VanRijn owns the blue van, I believe, His brother is Maxito (I think). They have been mentioned in the past as witnesses/suspects if memory serves. As you can see, I’m fuzzy on these guys, but they come up occasionally.
Chimes: what is 1188 - is this a thread?
FYI-
Babylon was the ancient headquarters for the soothsayers, astrologers, and prognosticators who took sacrificial animals and examined their organs in order to find omens of the future. Frequently, in ancient Babylon, a rock was thrown into a pool of water and the rings produced in the water examined to tell the future. Internal organs of dead animals were also examined. The liver was especially prized to determine the future, to tell fortunes, or to give omens. Gazing at the stars, the practice of astrology, has been common since the beginning of man as a means of telling the future.
From the Babylonians, the practice fell into the hands of the ancient Etruscans. They were the seafaring precursors to the Romans, who became the heart of the Roman Empire. Eventually, all Rome gave itself to seeking in the organs of dead animals what the future intended for them and their armies. In Greece, there was no statesman, leader, or businessman who did not seek from the Pythian prophetess at Delphi an answer for what tomorrow might bring.
The FYI may be unrelated other than to identify descendants of Bobylon. The Babylonian Card may be known to card readers.
Wow, Sandy, that is interesting!
Sorry guys; I posted last entries
in wrong place. see #1190 to follow..
Sword of Damocles: a threat, menacing, imminent doom
King Dionysius of Syracuse, growing tired of Damocles sycophant ways, put him on a throne under a sword hanging by a hair; hence, the expressions, hanging by a hair, or hanging by a thread. I don’t know who Damocles represents in this instance. Ideas?
The Babylonians represent the authorities (Babylonians, Sumerians, the Code of Hammurabi - the first legal code or laws).
S, seek psychiatric help. Soon. Croes is a liar. He will screw up again. He has a connection, but he is involved in other things. He is no saint. He holds a key to many things secret. Hopefully, his movements will be watched.
Dad Van der Sloot will be releised too, just on Fox!@
The fires???
Damocles envied the wealth and power of Dionysius. Dionysius traded places; Damocles saw a sword over his own head as he replaced the former; he realized that he was living dangerously. The grass is always greener….
just in from Dutch news P. van der sloot is just released, source A. vander sloot his wife.
Concerned: the fires? what does this mean? I’ve been over in Riehlworld and just learned about Sr. being released. Trading places: the father/the son? I think I’m getting a bit loopy. Still can’t find the VanRijn stuff. The Amy Kappel site has an apology for not having a press conference.
speechless!
Does anyone know if this site has “permalink” or anything similar. Also, what is trackback? This is my first blog as of yesterday, and I’m trying to figure out how not to have to scroll down from the beginning of the thread after each post. Suggestions?
Isn’t it odd that a new judge makes these releases!
Sorry Maya, haven’t a clue
I am shocked they are releasing the father. Maybe becasue he has agreed to testify against the son? Also, S Says makes me sick.
Debba: and one that was brought in ostensibly to squelch any question of impropriety.
Concerned: Do you mean the fires of last night’s celebrations?
If you have not seen it already, we have a link for the Fox News video of the release of vander Sloot courtesy of the Political Teen
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1191
this seems to blow shocked monkeys theory out of teh water, doesnt it? wonder why he/she isnt on here shedding some light???
This makes me sick that they are releasing the father. It shows me that they don’t have anything to go on and they are praying someone will confess. Fat chance because he was well schooled by the father already. They are giving everyone a false hope that they can crack this case. What a shame.
yes it is san….a crying shame….
Maya99-
I do not know about the fires. I am trying to figure it out. I am only a lowly teacher with half a brain.
obviously they have no incriminating real evidence…..had my hopes up..thinking maybe more was going on than whati was giving credit for….but seems..the island mentality in investigational terms has failed this poor young girl and her family!
im not even an american or a friend or relative of natalee ..and i am ready to burst with rage about how this is being handled….or NOT being handled…is a beter way of putting it…..so tired of the dutch law blurbage….has more to do with investigators initialincompetence and pride/ego in not letting more experienced people (FBI) in on the things…..they should be ashamed….
i used to defiend Aruba….but my opinion has definitely changed..they need to do something fast..or they will be forever tarnished by this…enough is enough!
Dony you people think about the fact there is a possibility Paul vdS isnt guilty of a crime?
good point yolande….but i think its obvious he has also been lying to protect his son
maybe the Dad came clean and told what he knows, which is enough to hold the son? Possibly??
as a proponent of teh justice system…one would think and hope and probably expect..he’d uphold justice in a circumstance as serious as this
lisabobessa-I agree with you 100%. I am shocked how this is all being handled. I understand there must be more they aren’t tellign the public. But it just seems to be taking WAY TOO LONG!
you have a great point debbie…i guess i am just so fristrated by teh rhetoric ….cant imagine how the family must feel…im only a spectator
maybe the father will testify against the son in order to save himself a lenghty prison term. we can hope.
i gues sits part of my upbringing as a north american..i want it and i want it now! guess life doenst always work that wya..have tried to repsetc teh dutch system but seems so remniscent of teh backwards system i witness daily here on my caribbean island..and it scares/angers me
Poor Mrs. Twitty. That poor woman has suffered enough and now this. Especially due to the fact she was so sure the Father knew something.
is it possible they let him go because he cut a deal?
so needless when they have the help of the worlds finest investigative team …there and werent fully utilizing them..maybe there is more to it than little ol me can fathom..but it doesnt seem right to me…lets put pride away….and just get to the truth
Maybe, just maybe, it takes this long -that no one is confessing- because they are not guilty.
But I know Joran and dad were already found guilty by most of the public.
or maybe they are doing this to shake up Joran too…make him wonder if his dad will tell on him…
well that appearance of guilt was pretty much self inflicted Yolande….by them lying an dfabricating different stories
innocent people just dont do that….
stroies have changed too many times for their to be innocence.
I’m just sick! Bye folks
now after changing his story three or four times..he has suddenly admitted he left her on the beach…so that is pretty incriminating..not many dots to connect for the public….
speaks for itself…
they need to bring in a hard core FBI team to get them to break.
is it possible that the dad is innocent and that he was let go because of that?? Is it possible that he was only arrested to make everyone who was pressuring the aruban police feel better? That is beginning to look exactly like what happened.
They are trying so hard to please everyone that they are losing focus on what is right and wrong for them to do.
bye for now folks…wish shocked monkey would come on…he /she had me so hopeful last night…..that there would be answers….seems their theory is seriously challeneged now
Lisa, did Shock just tell you want you already wanted to believe?
TK..i think they are all incmpetent..and tehy should hang their heads in absolute shame for how they handled this case…and made costly mistakes that can never be remedied…and through that all hav enough nerve to blame media about pressure and use teh guise of their oh so different “dutch law”….when u make a mistake ..own up to it and try to right your wrongs….pride and politcis..uggh..makes me sick
so, if he is innocent they are back where they started with the son and the two other guys. that is depressing. Makes you feel like nothing further has been done. But, they could be further along then we know since their law works so differently then here in the US. You could be totally right!
i think alot of arubans came on here in first few stages and were adamant about there being no corruption or cover ups hapening..ill bet alot of them have had a change of heart
the whole world is made up of political politice. If you don’t think that is true you are in denial.
I am not saying that I like it any more than you do, but that is just the way of our world. Everything revolves around politics these days. Scarey and crappy but true.
Look, why on earth would the boys or PVDS talk? There is NO incentive. None. Here, because we have very stringent punishment up to and including death, you can offer something to a criminal to get them to cough it up. You can offer them a lesser charge, a lesser punishment in exchange. Aruba does not have that luxury. They will get a reasonably light sentence anyway. OR nothing…if no evidence is found. Which would you choose?
Or is it possible dad wouldn’t talk at ALL. ANd it is no implication of his guilt or innocence. I still stand by the fact that dad knows what happened. I just hope they get the break they need.
I wish mrs. Twitty would come home after this rescue team is finished with the search. They are dragging this along and can’t even imagine her frustration. I don’t think there will be many answers due to the mistakes that were made in this case. It is evident and we all see it. I now truly believe that there is a coverup and the police in Aruba know what happend but their hands are tied.
Is it possible that the Aruban government wants to make it go away. If there is a shadow of doubt cast on what really happened to her and it looks real enough, then it is better for them or so they think. I think that the cowboys will come up with evidence or even Natalee. Then may the truth ring free and everything become uncovered.
San,
I don’t think there were mistakes I think they know exactly what they were doing. It’s all about connections.
Justin T,
I truly hope they know what they are doing. Sometimes when you see the outcome you start to lose your faith. Explain to me what you mean by connections.
San,
I don’t necessarily mean that in a complimentary way. I think PVDS had the pull and bought the time he needed to make sure any loose ends were tied up. While they may have monitored those three they didn’t monitor his dad and he was free to room as he pleased. Who better would no how to get rid of evidence and the loop holes in the system than his dad. NO I think it was a total F&**K up but I think they did on purpose.
Why won’t the son talk? In my opinion he can’t if he does dad goes down too.
Justin T,
Agreed, they did buy themself enough time right from the beginning when they told the policy about the first two individuals they arrested. I feel the father had his hand in the coverup and he needed the couple of days to pull strings. Do you really think they had the right equpiment to monitor these people. This type of crime doesn’t happend on the island where it would require them to have this type of sophisticated equipment.
San, maybe THEY didnt tell the police about the two security guards. Maybe they only said they dropped NH off and the police decided to go and question the two.
Same with Paul vdS. He didnt call himself a judge. American media called him a judge, though he wasnt.
Please dont turn things around.
Actually I am so not surprised by any of this…
and I am not so sure that shock said anythign about what the news would be….but that there would be shocking news….I am probably wrong…but…then its hard to follow this blodging here…it goes so round robin..though I do think it was said that most thought they would continue to hold all….
to me this says…there is no dna evidence…or it would have held…all….specially any found at the vander sloots home….
I believe the search team was brought into this by a family member of nats…but I still dont know how theya re gonna find anything if they are gonna limit their search….
If natalee isnt in the holds of someone tending to her…or didnt voluntairly take off and extend her vacation(NO I DONT BELIEVE THIS EITHER0 then there is little hope of findingher alive….rule of thumb….three hours with out air….three days without water….three weeks with out food…..
if they just continue to search the areas around where nat stayed…then I would say its a useless search
and think about it….if a beheaded body can be dumped in a grave yard there since all this started and not be solved….how the heck are they gonna solve this
Ithink sim…and check me..had a theory going of their own…
Yolande,
No they definatly told them about the security guards.
woah….where did that sentence come from…..okaie all thats it for me…..
Lou Anne,
The are not limiting their search. They are picking key areas first and going over some areas that had been gone over by the Arubian Police.
They caught the person who beheaded the guy. It was his girlfriend or was anyway.
Shock didn’t say anything new at all and in fact if you read Shock I really think that is the same person as the Psychic that made all the predictions and got trashed on her and anther blog. Not saying what they say is right or wrong.
Natalee absolutly did not run away…..
Yolande,
Don’t you remember when the security guards were released from jail they said one of the brothers apologized for implicating them. They told a lie.
It was Mrs. Twitty who said to the media that she thought the security guards were innocent and that they should be let go. I think they were then released the next day.
Just pray for NATALEE. And I am tired of reading “fish food”. It really is not something nice to say…it is totally possible she is in the ocean but for the family, I do not think it is a really nice thing to say.
Uh OH—The father is released. The Aruban police just can’t be that incompetent. The father must have told them something and there was no need to hold him further. In the coming week pressure will be put on Joran and the two brothers. A confession may be forthcoming before the end of next of this week! As I said before look for the simplest explanation—Joran and the two brothers took her, were with her, and were there when the deed was done—a fatal reaction to alcohol or a drug.
Actually, I think most in this case is hearsay and rumours. So I dont know what to believe and I dont know what is fact.
I personally have been listening to the people in Aruba to find out what is going on. I keep thinking by what they are telling, that things are going to start moving. Honestly I have not seen much progress. Maybe it’s because of the lack of info we are getting from the Aruban authorities
Here is a quote from Joran’s mother.
“A little bit of the nightmare clouds are now disappearing,” Anita van der Sloot told The Associated Press. “The truth will always come forward. From the beginning, I trusted everything would be fine.”
The truth will never come forward from her end. All they seem to do is lie. It’s like who lies and who swears. You don’t know who to believe from those three.
This is sad they are going to let everyone go and we will never know what has happend to that girl, I really do feel that it seems that no one in Aurba cares to find out what really happened, but they will sure want all the us dollars they can receive from americans going to this island ….its a shame.
Anita probably believes those two had nothing to do with it. She was out of town and does not have a clue what went on. From rumours I have heard that Paulus had a shady character before this, but I don’t know if it was true.
The father, in agreeing to wave his right not to testify against Joran, may testify that he knows nothing about Joran committing a crime. This shouldn’t be interpreted as the same as the father saying his son is guilty.
Caribbean - I have said that all along - Aruba will never solve this case - it’s not in their bst interest to solve it. They are fumbling the investigation to cover their own while hoping the American people will just forgive an appearance of inexperience. We all know what happened - we don’t need a body or a conviction by the Arubian government.
I haven’t caught up on posts yet - wow a lot has been going on here
Noticed how quickly she returned from her vacation or where ever she was. Quick honey come home we have to clean up the house a bit.
I think momma VDS is a little less than above reproach herself. She was not so sure. She was on the tv balling and upset. What a whackjob. There is more than the little we know and it will come out. Believe me, it will..
Believe me if I know anything I don’t think for one minute Paulus would admit his son was guilty.. EVEN IF HE SAW HIM DO IT.
I just don’t think the TX team will find Natalee. If she’s in the ocean, too much time has passed. And, I just don’t think she’s buried on the island.
I hope so Elaine.
NW - Paulus will never say his son is guilty - I would never deduct that from today’s actions - Paulus oached those boys on their story and knows very well what it will take to get all of them off. I have no doubt that Paulus either said to the boys”Don’t tell me anymore…but here’s what you do.” Or he will flat out lie. He will never say his son is guilty even if he watched the crime himself - not saying he did - just making a point.
Maybe the body will still be in the water. As I have said before, Laci Peterson was recovered.
Too much time, wrong currents, or she wouldhave washed ashore by now.
I hate to even talk like this but if she was thrown in the ocean wouldn’t she be weighted down with something. Would they risk the possibility of her washing up to shore.
I guess we will all have to sit back and watch. What will happen is her body will wash up after all are let go. And accidental death will be the cause.
They say that laci was weighed down. A weight is not going to hold a body down forever.
some of you people trip me out! Here you go now attacking the VDS mothers character! You have go to be kidding me. The woman is a school teacher and a mother. She would have every reason to be upset about her son and her husband being arrested. That is a normal reaction of someone who loves her family! That does not make her a “whackjob”. Come on now people, think clearly now. Stop attacking and pointing fingers when we have NO proof what so ever that anyone is guilty of anything.
Does anyone have any thought on PVS having someone dispose of the body - perhaps not the night of the disappearance - This of course works under the theory that she is deceased and not sold into slavery some where - perhaps the body was put somewhere temporarily but PVS knew he was too hot to handle it and maybe called in a favor using his high rank. Of course I have ABSOLUTELY no facts or items to build this theory - but PVS is a smart man - he knew the authorities would assume the body was dumped in the water - Anyone else have any thoughts along these lines?
“…three hours with out air…”
LMAO! I’m writting that one down.
Bham,
I thought about that possibility also. What if someone did have the body. Who is to say they still don’t have it.
Bham,
I thought about that possibility also. What if someone did have the body. Who is to say they still don’t have it.
where is the “three hours with out air…” coming from?
I guess none of us have ever heard of a teacher partaking in a crime = and certainly no mothers have ever ever covered up for crimes of their children before.
If you’re too emotional to kick around logical theories, perhaps you should watch censored tv - it may be all you can handle
I listen to nut jobs on this board all the time - I don’t waste my breath yelling at them - they are entitled to be stupid - that’s what freedom is.
“three hours with out air came from the below post above.
Lou Anne Lewis Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 7:27 pm
I live in the caribbean an if this is the way a government is going to handle this am ashamed and americans have every right to say they will not go to these islands where things are handle in a sloppy manner, I do feel connections are playing a great deal in this thing all these dam caribbean officals are corrupt as they come and their police service on most of these islands are a big joke.
i dont think that it is against anything for them to speak their mind, but some of these people just never stop spewing BS. lol Sometimes I get a little heated and have to speak on it. Don’t mean to offend anyone, but it is also my right “freedom of speech” to reply if I choose.
Thank you Bham! 
I think she meant 3 minutes without air - it is funny - but I make typos a lot too so I can’t criticize
Same here, just to lighten the mood, no offense.
Thanks San. that is too funny! See what I mean about spewing BS! lol
I’m off to see what else happened in the news today - keep kicking around those theories - wouldn’t it be hilarious if we solved the case before the Arubians - actually that’s realistic - so wouldn’t it be funny if we solved it before the FBI and the search team.
Ta Ta fellow speculators
T K The post was a body can last three hours without air, three days without water, and three weeks without food.
I think we all get caught up as to what has happened. No harm intended.
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found
Aruba is preserved and Babylon will pay the price
the gods know that the blame lies on babylon
the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking
Pleeeeeaaaasseee! The fact she is a teacher is nothing. Teachers are guilty of crimes everyday. Pamela Smart was not only a teacher, but a seductress, pedafile and murderer. Diane B. 9don’t remember her last name) was also a teacher and so on.
Mary Kay LeToureau, teacher,molester. She is there. She can be found.
The mother is no innocent. She knows of her son’s escapades, yet she proclaims they have strict rules. She knows something. Not what senior knows, but she knows something.
I think every mother wants to believe in there child. I know i would not want to think a child that came from me could do something so horrible. Also Young vds has been running around like this for a while. Did anyone see his friend who was interviewd by geraldo
She definately knows something. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
I think she knows something is not right.
what about being a mother???? does that give her to right to greive and be upset? What would you feel if your son and husband were arrested and being crucified? Would you think that you were a “whacko” just because you cried and greived for them?
I think if he does gets off. This kid will only be worst because he knows he got away with it. Remember when he was first approached by Mrs. Twitty and he started to pound his chest. Hopefully he doesn’t come to school in the US.
maybe that was a 17 year old boy showing his frustration. Maybe he was pounding his chest and saying what do you want me to do, because he had already done everything that he could. Just a thought.
I never called her a whacko. Of course she has a right to be upset. I would. But comeon this is a blog… Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.
S you are pathetic. If you are trying to be funny you could at least come up with something more original than a copy of one of your previous droll entries.
T K Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:34 pm
what about being a mother???? does that give her to right to greive and be upset? What would you feel if your son and husband were arrested and being crucified? Would you think that you were a “whacko” just because you cried and greived for them?
Scott Says:
I think it does. It is obviously on a different level. You can greive for your own personal loss of a son and husband to the prision system and the life as you knew it, or the threat of it. At the same time you can grieve for the crime that was commited.
T K I’m tending to agree with your earlier post. We have no idea what really happened, except that a yong woman is missing, and her parents are having to deal with the unimaginable. And although the Van Der Sloots know where their son is, I am quite sure that they never imagined they would be in their present circumstances either. In one day everything changed for these families, and their lives will never be the same again. We can at least offer our prayers and our compassion, not our divisiveness, as the truth unfolds and justice prevails.
PA MOM Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:38 pm
S you are pathetic. If you are trying to be funny you could at least come up with something more original than a copy of one of your previous droll entries.
Scott Says:
Who are your refering to?
nm, i see. it is an odd thing to say.
That was on the monday night when Natalee’s family arrived and he was at the casino gambling until 3:00 am. If you were the father wouldn’t you tell you son to stay home. But maybe it was their plan to say act like you always do and go to the casino like there is nothing wrong.
Scott - sorry - I was just catching up and saw a posting from S at 3:57 p.m. today. S was just spouting his usual, and it just ticked me off this time for some reason. I usually just stay silent.
Maya99
Thanks for redirecting the small-mindedness of some to the issues at hand.
Let’s stay focused; stop belittling and demeaning; and grasp faith and hope.
loose ends are about tied.
What else, Shango?
i am starting to thik shango and simian are the same
Could DirtyHand be Dirty Harry?
Where did the psychics go?
remember the comment simian made last night about people posing as him? I don’t have the exact words, but he said he was going to leave because people were trying to pose as him. Not sure if it is true, but I remember simian stating that last night.
a double something
doppelganger
yes that would be it
Doppelganger.
For weeks I’ve been lurking and totally believing Simian and Checkme. Now I just don’t know if they’ve got any more facts than we do, or just are speculating. Nothing against them at all. They’re great. But today’s news is rather surprising and depressing.
I can’t believe what’s going on on this Island for Christ sake ! The Minister of Justice said yesterday that JVDS would not last long knowing his dad is incarcerated and next thing you know they release the man !!! Judges work on Sundays down there ??? My God , what a messed up place !!
what man had his head cut off and found on the beach in aruba?
This kid is going to last as long as it takes to get him out of jail. No speak no time. Hopefully something will turn up to turn things around.
the more I read here, the more I thi nk ARUBA is RUN BY BABOONS
i resemble that remark
Anne
On Friday, Checkme said that they had nothing against the Paul. Earlier, Simian said that the son’s problem was his attitude and predicted that the father was going to be brought in. I gather whenever he mentioned Noor, he was refering to the VDS’s.
You just have to be patient and keep tuned in.
Now Shango, he is really something. If his postings were not so repetitive, I’d give it a try at deciphering, but he repeats too much.
I think his Lordship is the PM, the Babylons are exiles, whatever that means. The Lebanese Aruba are also mentioned (Sumarians). The shivas are the Kalpoe’s. I think the fort is Texas or the USA. Paul’s cards up the sleeve are the securitu guards theory plus Steve Croes. The thing is that Shango goes over and over, and indifferent lines calls the same people different names, for instance, the Kalpoes. So his doble talk is not precise, making it non enticing to decipher.
The more I read here the more I think Americans ….. could think better at times.
The guy on Fox News said that he believe the body is not far from where Natalee was last seen. Know one knows where in fact she was last seen. Three options come to mind are: 1. VDS home. 2. Marriott beach. 3 Light house.
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
The singing card can not be played
The cowboys would circle the wagons
The arawaks are preparing the sacrifice
light the fires
the gods are talking
The sacrificial offering will not be scapegoat
Shangoooooooo
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Paul
There is some really intreasting information on this blog about PVDS http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.
Correction
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes
FYI, there appears a lot of concern for the release of Paulus, a previous comment of Jug Twit to have Anita arrested barely raised an eyebrow. MB student claim that the MSM always seem to take their statement out of context. Okay so now we have a situation where Paulus was brought in to clarify previous statement. Perhaps the Police saw the full unedited version of the taped interview? See where I am heading? Paulus could have elaborated on something but the taped version never came out or what ever you know? Well that or the Police is doing a tactical release of the suspect. There I was able to appease both camps.
Who knows what song the elder will sing
i thought the last judge was supposed to be impartial
why did they again change judges for papa vs?
today’s judge was new
why?
cover up
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl
Shango
Do the Sumerians own the kaseenos??????
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!
Shango
Clarify this. Joran is supposed to be a Babylonian. Are there more Babylonians other than him????
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire
Is Dirty Hand from Savaneta???
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe
Ok, they are preparing the sacrificial fire, but will they sacrifice a Babylonian????
What do you folks think about all of the gambling references from Shango?
All of his clues involve “playing” a hand or a card…And the terrible secret is a “Dirty Hand.” And the consistent references to whether or not the cowboys will leave with the loot.
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
S-H-ANGEEOH
S-H-ANGEEOH
S-H-ANGEEOH
And SHANGO was his name-oh!
Why would an elder Babylonian let a younger Babylonian be sacrified. Once again, do the Sumerians own the kaseenos?
IS Dirty Hand a Macambo???
The “kaseenos” must be the the important link. I wonder how JVDS had so much cash (and why the elder had so much cash) to blow on drinking and gambling when supposedly this family was regular middle class. Follow the money.
Shango
So, the night befor the disappearance, Joran was with the same gamblers too.
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth…..
Lucy:
Thanks. It’s not a matter of being patient as much as I was puzzled how it was okay to arrest a man just to make his son talk and then let him go. Does arrest not harm reputations in Dutch law as it does in US? Again, thanks. I have been lurking for awhile now
Simian:
Never said you posed. You have predicted too much not to be much closer to the situation than anyone else. Just thought maybe you were going with the word on the street or speculating.
Also: the Babylonians know the girl. Current tense. Last night I was certain you were speaking epilogue, not ongoing story.
New Girl
You don’t have to have a lot of cash to stay all night at the kaseenos. A few chips on the roulette will keep you eating and drinking for free all night long.
Simian
So, she played the casinos 3 nights and supposedly took $10,000 out of her credit card, and left $5,000 in her purse. So obviously she was gambling. But why would the gamblers harm her.
What keeps confusing me is what will be the sacrifice.
Shango
I read something about ganbanging a 14 yr. old tourist and filming it. But this was not attributed to the duo of Babylonians, but to another group of kids, including Van Rijn, Aredszetc.
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal.
So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep. They accuse him to be Bifrons.
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response
Bifrons- evil or the devil… right?
Bifrons = demon /monster
The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall
Simian
Demoniacal???
Who are the gods?
the 46th spirit was bifrons
The Simain thinks that Babalà º is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle
croes out tomottow @ 1
papa out already
why the time difference???
Bifrons = He changeth Dead Bodies, and putteth them in another place; also he lighteth seeming Candles upon the Graves of the Dead.
: (
Shango and Simian
So he said goodbye to the Kalpoes and called some school friens that are Babylonians and were at the kaseeno the night before, and the other three nights gambling with Natalee.
So, the kid is a sociopath???
DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows
conspiracy
how about he Joran left her on the beach alone, and some other gamblers from the casino who knew her did something to her?
The cowboys hear the singing but don’t understand the words
Simian
Probably totally clueless, I am just trying to guess not to continue in Limbo. I assumed that Babylonians are those in exile, expatriates. Initially I thought they were Syrian Arubans, because of the Tifgris and Euphrates thing, but beleive me, I will not mind if you continue to enlighten me. Keep making exceptions.
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left
Why not look in the grave yard. Wouldn’t you look where most people wouldn’t look.
Records would indicate which grave was recently opened and you could tell which one was recently opened. I live across the street from a grave yard and you could tell without a doubt.
Shango writes: The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall
This means that the mover of the dead girl’s body will be caught? Is he the sacrifice? Is it Lorenzo the insane guy, or is he the one with power?
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
But didn’t he supossedly called his father at 400 AM, and that is why he was late for school??????
The alibi needs to be broken. The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.
The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive. The third act will played soon, but the boy is not Ajax. He is too afraid to pull off such a feat.
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices
DirtyHand will never wipe his hands clean.
The teenage students who are related to government officials are wrapped up with Lorenzo, his rave house and drug parties, and the young VDS, and have provided a false alibi
simian
what did the girl do earlier in the week?
Simian
The alibi of the party or the alibi of sleeping at home???
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders
Simian
All I read is that she did not sleep with her roommates on nights 2,3,4 of her trip.
Hello - there is someone else NH hung with earlier in the week. I think that’s what Simian said last week.
Shango
Are the Elders the Papa Babylonians. (See Simian, still clueless. I definetly need your help).
Something is going to happen to Lorenzo. Probably something that will prevent him from speaking.
I wonder if his father REALLY committed suicide.
maybe a jealous lovers triangle going on then eh simian?
Maybe someone got mad that she was with Joran that night and couldn’t handle it?
They said the sacrifice would not be an innocent
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave
He can break the alibi
I have been reading here for a few days, but I seemed to have missed stuff about this LORENZO, whats the story there and what about a blue van ? anyone…..
At some point, did NH had a room of her own?
When you say “ALL houses” Do you also mean the houses of Natalees family and friends?
So, Dirty Hand is the kid that knows to much and holds the power that could hurt:
a. The Arawaks.
b. The Babylonians.
c. The detainee (s).
d. The lordship.
e. All of the above ?????
Shango
I thought Dirty Hand was the one who had the alibi …
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
More hint on “what the girl did earlier in the week” please Simian?
And…
And Ajax, in his deep distress
Allied to our disgrace,
Hath cherished in his loneliness
The bosom friend’s embrace.
Frenzy hath seized thy dearest son,
Who from thy shores in glory came
The first in valor and in fame.
The deeds that he hath done
Seem hostile all to hostile eyes;
The sons of Atreus see them and despise.
Woe to the mother, in her close of day,
Woe to her desolate heart, and temples gray,
When she shall hear
Her loved one’s story whispered in her ear!
“Woe, woe!” will be the cry–
No quiet murmur like the tremulous wail
Of the lone bird, the querulous nightingale–
But shrieks that fly
Piercing, and wild, and loud, shall mourn the tale;
And she will beat her breast, and rend her hair,
Scattering the silver locks that Time hath left her there.
Oh! when the pride of Grà ¦cia’s noblest race
Wanders, as now, in darkness and disgrace,
When Reason’s day
Sets rayless–joyless–quenched in cold decay,
Better to die, and sleep
The never-waking sleep, than linger on
And dare to live, when the soul’s life is gone;
But thou shalt weep,
Thou wretched father, for thy dearest son,
The best beloved, by inward Furies torn,
The deepest, bitterest curse, thine ancient house hath borne!
Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake
Who’s alibi darling????
The escot’s alibi?
The gamblers alibi?
She was taken to the elders?????
It sounds like whatever Natalee did earlier that week involved sex - Mary not a Virgin
Shango
Perhaps you may care to answer: who owns the kaseenos in Aruba? The Babylonians, The Sumarians??
Are the elders part of the Babylonians, The Sumarians or the Gamblers????
SIMIAN, Help!!!!!!
I don’t understand, its all riddles to me. Makes no sense with the way responses are made on this blog. I have watched nothing but fox news and cnn for 4 weeks on this story and never heard about lorenzo. babylonians ????
It is Lorenzo’s alibi that must be broken
Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks were maintained until the gods heard
Babylon now fears reprisals
the fires are lit
there will be 46 sacrifices
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes.
This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.
Lorenzo’s father owned a VW dealership and also had some sort of import/export business. He reportedly committed suicide and this drove Lorenzo insane. Maybe Lorenzo’s father didn’t take his own life. Maybe HE knew too much at one time?
The Simian only speaks for himself.
Cafone
A person who is an embarrassment to himself or others.
I can’t take you anywhere, you cafone.
so joran took natalee to this party. Perhaps she was drugged.
Oh, I found a “lugubrious game” - not sure I can post it here
Simiam
All= the gablers????
All= the Babylonians, whon I continue to not know.
Was the boy at the party too, or he just made the delivery?
The Lugubrious Game
Slave of the second bed,
mistress of the first, Gala,
spread on my deck, urgent
and smooth as a Cadillac,
a hearse for the heart,
spark in his engine of bones.
Make me a meal of urchins,
you said, and feed me your will.
A rabbit, skinned and stewed,
is a gift, or pigeon, well plucked.
Pets are loved to be killed.
And friends, like you, to be f–ked.
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon
the girl knew this
Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.
I apologize for the greusomeness of that poem. I found it by searching the lugubrious game, here: http://www.dhfurniss.eurobell.co.uk/chilugubrious.htm
Shango said: Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.
To collect $$? His take? Or to deliver something.
Why did the girl owe money?
Shango, is it true that the Chief Babylonian and The Elder had a meeting behind closed doors that went on for hours the same the shivas and Joran were interviewed?
In the Palace that is…..
new girl,
where do you get the idea that whatever Natalee did eariler that week included sex?
why would she owe money?
money for drugs = X?
Shango
So, Babylonians are not from somewhere. It refers so a places with prevailing behaviors, related to self seeking pleasures perhaps with “sensuality, vice and corrption”. And she was there before?????
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks
DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless.
He can break the alibi
Justin T asked: where do you get the idea that whatever Natalee did eariler that week included sex?
Our clue giver Shango said:
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
Why include virginity?
Dirty Hand took an innocent’s life, regardless of virginity.
We are back to: good power, bad power. Break the alibi and get to the core.
Choose the right and just decision.
Joran’s mother pronounces his name, “Urine.”
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes — she is alive but she will be killed and dumped to be found by the searchers.
No one is above reproach. We all make bad decisions.
That gives no one the right to overpower and kill us unless we have seriously harmed another.
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild, the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable
Aenim
Great that you have shown up. Perhaps you can help me more than Shango and Simian. Any tips?? From what I read, there are many houses of Babylon, but now you are refering to a PALACE and not elders, but ELDER, especifically. Is thi ELDER Paulus and is the Chief Babylonian a Sumerian???????
And then, a life for a life is not the cure. for the human soul.
LOL, thanks, Pete, I needed that.
Or maybe the 3rd act is a homicide. If Lorenzo holds the futures of others in his hands, this mystery could be tied up nicely with a Lorenzo suicide note confession taking resposibility for the disappearance of Natalee and telling the location of her body.
new girl,
That is all such bullshit. I am so sick of these assholes trying to trash her and or her family. First no one has claimed she was a virgin. What she was not was a girl who just slept around with any guy. she had VERY few boyfriends and really did not date that much. Hardly a ho. This guy and his criptic messages can go to hell
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await
Shango??? meaning????
Just a thought…. Has anyone stopped to think that the persons involved in this might very well be on this blog….
Seems like DirtyHand is set for life, is unethically deemed King of Aruba. One wrong turn from Babs or Arawaks, and all the houses fall.
Shango
She firt entered voluntarily. But was shen then forced down the corridor???
Justin T,
Did you know her personally? Besides one comment about her not being a virgin doesn’t equal to trashing her reputation.
newgirl
you may have something there
u know what your getting into when u go to one of these Rave parties?
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Hey, Chimes.. we need you.
With all due respect Justin T, to say that an 18 year old is not a virgin is not trashing her or calling her a ho. Are we only permitted to discuss theories of her disappearance that preserve her chastity? I was no longer a virgin at 18, and I wasn’t a ho either.
Chimes
That is, until they shoot him in the back. Unless, DirtyHand is a secret that the Arawaks have and since we don’t know who the Babylonians are, and Arawaks don’t tell on Dirty Hand, he’ll go incognito and cease to exist.
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
one’s knowledge does not equal one’s experience. Experience is the teacher for many people.
You go new girl!
I’m here. We have 90 days left.
Shango
So, the last night she went voluntarily. SO the Palace of Babylon is at the Marriot.
snatch this pebble from my hand, grasshopper….
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
Basically you take your life into your own hands when visiting these
third world country’s. You are seen as there country’s # 1 resource and
they will benefit from your visit one way or another.
I knew from day one when Natalee went missing on a Aruba there would
be no justice and I can assure, there will never be any.
The reluctance to investigate or even acknowledge crimes committed against tourist
is the reason why there will never be and resolution to Natalees disappearance.
Whatever the system, there are basic investigative fundamentals that need to be adhered to conduct a good investigation. With the advances in forensic science, time is of the essence.
If you don’t gather this evidence promptly, these tools can be lost to you. Not searching the VS himself, there home and cars sooner is a blunder that cannot be excused.
Do to the sheer incompetence and self pride of the local authorities. All evidence was
lost, disregarded, tampered with, or just destroyed.
Natalee left the bar with these three guy’s and in less then 5 hours she disappeared
without a trace. Hoping these three boy’s will confess to murdering a defenseless young
woman, is not an investigation. These Aruba authorities have no idea how to handel this
case and have no plans on doing so. They put on show that will never amount to anything.
Again when you travel to these third world country’s - make no mistake - you take your
life into your own hands, just ask
Beth Holloway
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation
[i]Or maybe the 3rd act is a homicide. If Lorenzo holds the futures of others in his hands, this mystery could be tied up nicely with a Lorenzo suicide note confession taking resposibility for the disappearance of Natalee and telling the location of her body. [/i]
Equally viable, but earlier I thought the lamb referenced was pointed out to be JVdS.
Thanks T K!
Shango
Is the Marriott Resort & Casino a franchise operation in Aruba?????
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation
Anne
I don’t think they are refering to Lorenzo. He is a Babylonian and DirtyHand is not.
Dirty Hands has dipped his paws in the Euphrates River several times…and his paws remain soiled…. The elder has fallen and can’t get up….. and the Arawak nation is hiding behind many palm branches waiting for the doves to fly and bring back a twig….
By Arawak Nation, do you mean Surinam, even if non Kalpoe related???
The lamb was to be Joran, but the father cannot go through with pointing the finger at his son. So, he will not.
The third act will not occur as it will be unnecessary UNLESS forensics threatens to bring the wrong people down. ?
That’s right, Babalu
Or perhaps, Colombia, since the Arawaks originated in the Andes????
The package is still due.
Aenim
That’s right to which post?????
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed
Joran Van Der Sloot Guilty on my toast
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5592653267&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
DirtyHands has initials that match the capitals?
Dirty Hands is someone making money by looking the other way about certain criminal behaviors on the island. Law enforcement perhaps, unless mafia/cartel sort of thing
Babylonians=Europeans
Arawaks=Native Arubans
Cowboys=Americans (USA)
Lordship-JVDS
Elders=Authorites
Dirty Hand- Drug Cartel leaders???
Am I close??
the night was dark
the sky was blue
down in ARUBA
a blue van flew
a shot rang out
a scream was heard
poor young JORAN
was killed by a TURD
Simiam
The package that shall be recieved in exchange???
Concerned, I’ll hire you.
Law enforcement will have forensics tomorrow? Maybe elder VDS isn’t off the hook
Babalu, I think you’re mostly far off in reading these clues
Simian
Did Papa Babylon write something in the paper lately??????
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time
Thanks, Babalu. DirtyHand is Arawak, then, or nationality not disclosed (or I missed it)?
He’s been up for years.
This whole story got me sick ! I can”t figure the Aruban authorities and the more I read about what they do, the more I think this is the Island of Dr. Moreau, half men half baboons !
Thanks, Chimes. I am looking for a change
I wonder if the family has considered calling Noreen Renier, the famous psychis used here in the states to solve crimes?
Concerned, you almost got it completely, except for the Lordship (maybe) and Dirty Hand
Aenim
I am, that is why I keep asking questions. I am hundreds of miles away and keep trying to make some sense out of this. Perhaps the clues are too hard. By the way, Simian already told me the same thing. In fact he called me clueless.
But once again, when you said tha’s right, which post did you mean: the 10:57 PM or 10:58 PM????
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.
Dirty Hand has no nationality. He has no soul.
Babalu “Is thi ELDER Paulus and is the Chief Babylonian a Sumerian???????”
Concerned
I’ll try to help. Lorship, the PM.
Dirty Hand is the Kasino Manager
Aenim
Please confirm.
TK, are you there?
from today’s earlier posts i got the impression that Lordship was the judge flown in from Curacao. i don’t recall the exact quote that made me think this.
yes ragalee I am still here. What can I do for you?
I’ll keep my comments for now…
Even Flying Birds Sing
If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed
I must feed the messengers
I was just going back to an earlier conversation we had about the info we got last night, have you heard anymore or heard from that person? I am just now getting back online from earlier this evening…