RSSNatalee Holloway; Breaking Aruba News – Croes Released – Now Paul Van der Sloot
As reported earlier and now confirmed by CNN, Steven Croes will be released tomorrow at 1:oo pm because of lack of evidence according to his attorney.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — Steve Croes, a disc jockey who was arrested in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, will be released Monday because of a lack of evidence against him, his attorney, Eleni Lotterhoman, said Sunday following a court hearing.
There was no word yet on how the judge may have ruled in the detention of the other four suspects.
Croes, 26, worked on a party boat on the island.
Sunday’s hearing was postponed from Saturday because the judge being flown in from the nearby island of Curacao was delayed, said David Kock, defense attorney for 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe, one of the suspects.
So far it appears from sources that the other four will remain in custody, but unconfirmed.
The other suspects include Kalpoe’s 21-year-old brother, Deepak Kalpoe; their 17-year-old friend, Joran Van Der Sloot; and his father, Paul Van Der Sloot, 53.
AP: Judge in Aruba Orders Release of Party Boat DJ Held in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) – A judge ordered Aruban police Sunday to release a party boat disc jockey held in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, saying authorities did not have enough evidence against him, the man’s lawyer said.
“The judge agreed there is not enough proof he was involved to keep holding him,” said Croes’ lawyer, Eleni Lotter-Homan.
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6:00 pm – BREAKING NEWS: Fox News -
Suspect’s Father to Be Released
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The judge ordered the father of Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot and party boat disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes to be released in the absence of sufficient evidence to continue holding them. The other three suspects will remain in custody for another eight days, according to a court clerk.
The lawyer representing Paul van der Sloot, whose arrest has garnered the most attention, said Sunday that his client has waived his right not to testify against his son. Under Aruban law, parents have the option to refuse to testify against their children. In waiving that right, Paul van der Sloot is essentially agreeing to take the stand.
Video from The Political Teen of Paul Van der Sloot to be let go and waives his right to testify against his son.
From The Birmingham News, Suspect’s father released in Aruba case
The father of a Dutch suspect arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager was freed from jail on Sunday, hours after a judge ordered the release of a party boat disc jockey also held in the case.
Paul van der Sloot, a high-ranking justice official studying to be a judge on the Dutch Caribbean island, had been arrested Thursday as a suspect for collaborating in a crime with his 17-year-old son, according to his lawyer.
“A little bit of the nightmare clouds are now disappearing,” van der Sloot’s wife, Anita, told The Associated Press. “The truth will always come forward. From the beginning, I trusted everything would be fine.”
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Does this now blow the theory that DJ provided the vessel for dumping the body?
Who is Lorenzo? Was he instrumental? What of the blue van?
The sword will fall on whom? Please clarify.
I don’t know if this will work, but this thread weaves a tapestry…
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1188
It’s cruel hard to say that, but it was horrible to see when she run to swim @ Malmok, and Joran tried to stop her (unsuccessfully), and she drowned…
Thank you, Chimes. I was there but did not keep track of threads. I have been especially attentive to psychic, Simian, Checkme, Monkey, etc.
Van Der Sloot has WAIVED his right NOT to testify against his son. Meaning, it’s possible the father will testify against Joran.
Peter, how do you know?
Chimes, who is Lorenzo? Is it the party who transported her body?
What appears to be the case:
Natalee went to an apt. (Joran’s?) or another residence to party. She was drugged or accepted a potent drug; was raped, fought, was killed- accidently or not.
The body needed to be discarded. Father was consulted; he or another party disposed of body.
just heard on Fox that the father Waived his right not to testify.
That means he may tell the truth???
it keeps on getting thicker…..
REALITY: The single most important piece of evidence is always the body. The police have no other evidence, so far i am aware, to bring ANYONE to trial. By now, Natalie is probably fish food. However, we will continue to see more hystrionics because the wealthy, 4.0 version of Barbie did a very stupid thing. People who feel they’re special think that nothing will ever happen to them. American corporate media LOVES when this sort of think happens because there’s lots and lots of money to be made off of this family’s narcissism….. millions folks… millions. Natalie is not “everbody’s daughter”…. PLEASE!!!! I guess I missed out on the chartered flight to a Caribbean Island, all expenses paid, with spending money so I could get hammered at the club of my choice, and jump into a car driven by 2 men I’ve NEVER met, so I can start sucking face with one that I’ve know a couple of days. What’s at the end of a college education…a breast implant operation followed by a recovery period in the Amalfi Coast? Other missing daughters don’t SEEM to be able to get all of Southern America on their knees to pray to their very special invisible man- an invisible man who’s of course better than anybody else’s invisible man. 2,100 reports of missing adolescents come into the FBI, per DAY, yet none of those adolescents make it to CNN, Fox, NBS, MSN, Larry King…. let alone Aruba!
Yes, it’s truly unfair what happens to blondes in our country. This REALLY belongs on Saturday Night Live…. It’d be hysterical!
I heard cores, originally,voluntarily went to police to state he saw the three drop natalle off at the HI. He’s still guilty in my book – still involved. There is no way in hell I’m lying for a friend.
sorry….croes
Sarcasm, judgment, or possibly envy?
Barbie?? Stereotyping leads to dead ends in understanding life, others, yourself.
Yes, Natalee could be anyone’s child– those who are parents or who care for children understand what this means.
Well written concerned. She is anyones daughter
Meaning, it’s possible the father will testify against Joran>>>
Peter, not necessary AGAINST, it could in his son’s favour, whcih I believe it’s goinf to happen.
SSays- my last statement was for you. Do not be close-minded about people who have much. They are no happier than you.
And- This is not SNL material, even they have standards!
Lorenzo may or could be another witness. Many question(ed) in 1188 who he is.
I can’t believe the “Barbie” comment. I have a 24 year old daughter and she’s beautiful just like Natalee. This could be anyone’s child and our thoughts need to be with her family and this horrible time they are going through.
Chimes, why the name Lorenzo?
Is it cryptic?
S Says…. Please remember that we have an alert system in the US for ANY AND EVERY MISSING CHILD that the FBI feels could be involved in foul play. AMBER ALERT is NOT just for the wealthy!
I do think this girl could be anyone’s child. I live in NJ…not far from Meagan Kanka for whom MEGAN’S LAW was passed. She was a working class child who was killed by a sex offender.
I have also lived in the South. You’d have to understand southernors…almost anyone might have had a friend with a plane. I did. And they were not wealthy. Didn’t even own a home…but was a pilot.
Natalee was a lovely child I’m sure of it knowing the place she grew up.
Concerned, your guess is as good as mine on this one.
I’ve heard 2 stories on Lorenzo Van Rijn. I read that he’s allegedly JVDS half-brother by an affair PVDS had w/another woman and I also heard that he may be the guy with the blue van that the blogs are talking about who went crazy when his father committed suicide a few years ago. Both may be false. I read these on Riehlworldview, but they reference Scared Monkey’s as where they info came from. I think I also saw something about it on Amy Kappel’s blog. If you google the name, it takes you to Dan Riehl’s blog.
Lorenzo VanRijn owns the blue van, I believe, His brother is Maxito (I think). They have been mentioned in the past as witnesses/suspects if memory serves. As you can see, I’m fuzzy on these guys, but they come up occasionally.
Chimes: what is 1188 – is this a thread?
FYI-
Babylon was the ancient headquarters for the soothsayers, astrologers, and prognosticators who took sacrificial animals and examined their organs in order to find omens of the future. Frequently, in ancient Babylon, a rock was thrown into a pool of water and the rings produced in the water examined to tell the future. Internal organs of dead animals were also examined. The liver was especially prized to determine the future, to tell fortunes, or to give omens. Gazing at the stars, the practice of astrology, has been common since the beginning of man as a means of telling the future.
From the Babylonians, the practice fell into the hands of the ancient Etruscans. They were the seafaring precursors to the Romans, who became the heart of the Roman Empire. Eventually, all Rome gave itself to seeking in the organs of dead animals what the future intended for them and their armies. In Greece, there was no statesman, leader, or businessman who did not seek from the Pythian prophetess at Delphi an answer for what tomorrow might bring.
The FYI may be unrelated other than to identify descendants of Bobylon. The Babylonian Card may be known to card readers.
Wow, Sandy, that is interesting!
Sorry guys; I posted last entries
in wrong place. see #1190 to follow..
Sword of Damocles: a threat, menacing, imminent doom
King Dionysius of Syracuse, growing tired of Damocles sycophant ways, put him on a throne under a sword hanging by a hair; hence, the expressions, hanging by a hair, or hanging by a thread. I don’t know who Damocles represents in this instance. Ideas?
The Babylonians represent the authorities (Babylonians, Sumerians, the Code of Hammurabi – the first legal code or laws).
S, seek psychiatric help. Soon. Croes is a liar. He will screw up again. He has a connection, but he is involved in other things. He is no saint. He holds a key to many things secret. Hopefully, his movements will be watched.
Dad Van der Sloot will be releised too, just on Fox!@
The fires???
Damocles envied the wealth and power of Dionysius. Dionysius traded places; Damocles saw a sword over his own head as he replaced the former; he realized that he was living dangerously. The grass is always greener….
just in from Dutch news P. van der sloot is just released, source A. vander sloot his wife.
Concerned: the fires? what does this mean? I’ve been over in Riehlworld and just learned about Sr. being released. Trading places: the father/the son? I think I’m getting a bit loopy. Still can’t find the VanRijn stuff. The Amy Kappel site has an apology for not having a press conference.
speechless!
Does anyone know if this site has “permalink” or anything similar. Also, what is trackback? This is my first blog as of yesterday, and I’m trying to figure out how not to have to scroll down from the beginning of the thread after each post. Suggestions?
Isn’t it odd that a new judge makes these releases!
Sorry Maya, haven’t a clue
I am shocked they are releasing the father. Maybe becasue he has agreed to testify against the son? Also, S Says makes me sick.
Debba: and one that was brought in ostensibly to squelch any question of impropriety.
Concerned: Do you mean the fires of last night’s celebrations?
If you have not seen it already, we have a link for the Fox News video of the release of vander Sloot courtesy of the Political Teen
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1191
this seems to blow shocked monkeys theory out of teh water, doesnt it? wonder why he/she isnt on here shedding some light???
This makes me sick that they are releasing the father. It shows me that they don’t have anything to go on and they are praying someone will confess. Fat chance because he was well schooled by the father already. They are giving everyone a false hope that they can crack this case. What a shame.
yes it is san….a crying shame….
Maya99-
I do not know about the fires. I am trying to figure it out. I am only a lowly teacher with half a brain.
obviously they have no incriminating real evidence…..had my hopes up..thinking maybe more was going on than whati was giving credit for….but seems..the island mentality in investigational terms has failed this poor young girl and her family!
im not even an american or a friend or relative of natalee ..and i am ready to burst with rage about how this is being handled….or NOT being handled…is a beter way of putting it…..so tired of the dutch law blurbage….has more to do with investigators initialincompetence and pride/ego in not letting more experienced people (FBI) in on the things…..they should be ashamed….
i used to defiend Aruba….but my opinion has definitely changed..they need to do something fast..or they will be forever tarnished by this…enough is enough!
Dony you people think about the fact there is a possibility Paul vdS isnt guilty of a crime?
good point yolande….but i think its obvious he has also been lying to protect his son
maybe the Dad came clean and told what he knows, which is enough to hold the son? Possibly??
as a proponent of teh justice system…one would think and hope and probably expect..he’d uphold justice in a circumstance as serious as this
lisabobessa-I agree with you 100%. I am shocked how this is all being handled. I understand there must be more they aren’t tellign the public. But it just seems to be taking WAY TOO LONG!
you have a great point debbie…i guess i am just so fristrated by teh rhetoric ….cant imagine how the family must feel…im only a spectator
maybe the father will testify against the son in order to save himself a lenghty prison term. we can hope.
i gues sits part of my upbringing as a north american..i want it and i want it now! guess life doenst always work that wya..have tried to repsetc teh dutch system but seems so remniscent of teh backwards system i witness daily here on my caribbean island..and it scares/angers me
Poor Mrs. Twitty. That poor woman has suffered enough and now this. Especially due to the fact she was so sure the Father knew something.
is it possible they let him go because he cut a deal?
so needless when they have the help of the worlds finest investigative team …there and werent fully utilizing them..maybe there is more to it than little ol me can fathom..but it doesnt seem right to me…lets put pride away….and just get to the truth
Maybe, just maybe, it takes this long -that no one is confessing- because they are not guilty.
But I know Joran and dad were already found guilty by most of the public.
or maybe they are doing this to shake up Joran too…make him wonder if his dad will tell on him…
well that appearance of guilt was pretty much self inflicted Yolande….by them lying an dfabricating different stories
innocent people just dont do that….
stroies have changed too many times for their to be innocence.
I’m just sick! Bye folks
now after changing his story three or four times..he has suddenly admitted he left her on the beach…so that is pretty incriminating..not many dots to connect for the public….
speaks for itself…
they need to bring in a hard core FBI team to get them to break.
is it possible that the dad is innocent and that he was let go because of that?? Is it possible that he was only arrested to make everyone who was pressuring the aruban police feel better? That is beginning to look exactly like what happened.
They are trying so hard to please everyone that they are losing focus on what is right and wrong for them to do.
bye for now folks…wish shocked monkey would come on…he /she had me so hopeful last night…..that there would be answers….seems their theory is seriously challeneged now
Lisa, did Shock just tell you want you already wanted to believe?
TK..i think they are all incmpetent..and tehy should hang their heads in absolute shame for how they handled this case…and made costly mistakes that can never be remedied…and through that all hav enough nerve to blame media about pressure and use teh guise of their oh so different “dutch law”….when u make a mistake ..own up to it and try to right your wrongs….pride and politcis..uggh..makes me sick
so, if he is innocent they are back where they started with the son and the two other guys. that is depressing. Makes you feel like nothing further has been done. But, they could be further along then we know since their law works so differently then here in the US. You could be totally right!
i think alot of arubans came on here in first few stages and were adamant about there being no corruption or cover ups hapening..ill bet alot of them have had a change of heart
the whole world is made up of political politice. If you don’t think that is true you are in denial.
I am not saying that I like it any more than you do, but that is just the way of our world. Everything revolves around politics these days. Scarey and crappy but true.
Look, why on earth would the boys or PVDS talk? There is NO incentive. None. Here, because we have very stringent punishment up to and including death, you can offer something to a criminal to get them to cough it up. You can offer them a lesser charge, a lesser punishment in exchange. Aruba does not have that luxury. They will get a reasonably light sentence anyway. OR nothing…if no evidence is found. Which would you choose?
Or is it possible dad wouldn’t talk at ALL. ANd it is no implication of his guilt or innocence. I still stand by the fact that dad knows what happened. I just hope they get the break they need.
I wish mrs. Twitty would come home after this rescue team is finished with the search. They are dragging this along and can’t even imagine her frustration. I don’t think there will be many answers due to the mistakes that were made in this case. It is evident and we all see it. I now truly believe that there is a coverup and the police in Aruba know what happend but their hands are tied.
Is it possible that the Aruban government wants to make it go away. If there is a shadow of doubt cast on what really happened to her and it looks real enough, then it is better for them or so they think. I think that the cowboys will come up with evidence or even Natalee. Then may the truth ring free and everything become uncovered.
San,
I don’t think there were mistakes I think they know exactly what they were doing. It’s all about connections.
Justin T,
I truly hope they know what they are doing. Sometimes when you see the outcome you start to lose your faith. Explain to me what you mean by connections.
San,
I don’t necessarily mean that in a complimentary way. I think PVDS had the pull and bought the time he needed to make sure any loose ends were tied up. While they may have monitored those three they didn’t monitor his dad and he was free to room as he pleased. Who better would no how to get rid of evidence and the loop holes in the system than his dad. NO I think it was a total F&**K up but I think they did on purpose.
Why won’t the son talk? In my opinion he can’t if he does dad goes down too.
Justin T,
Agreed, they did buy themself enough time right from the beginning when they told the policy about the first two individuals they arrested. I feel the father had his hand in the coverup and he needed the couple of days to pull strings. Do you really think they had the right equpiment to monitor these people. This type of crime doesn’t happend on the island where it would require them to have this type of sophisticated equipment.
San, maybe THEY didnt tell the police about the two security guards. Maybe they only said they dropped NH off and the police decided to go and question the two.
Same with Paul vdS. He didnt call himself a judge. American media called him a judge, though he wasnt.
Please dont turn things around.
Actually I am so not surprised by any of this…
and I am not so sure that shock said anythign about what the news would be….but that there would be shocking news….I am probably wrong…but…then its hard to follow this blodging here…it goes so round robin..though I do think it was said that most thought they would continue to hold all….
to me this says…there is no dna evidence…or it would have held…all….specially any found at the vander sloots home….
I believe the search team was brought into this by a family member of nats…but I still dont know how theya re gonna find anything if they are gonna limit their search….
If natalee isnt in the holds of someone tending to her…or didnt voluntairly take off and extend her vacation(NO I DONT BELIEVE THIS EITHER0 then there is little hope of findingher alive….rule of thumb….three hours with out air….three days without water….three weeks with out food…..
if they just continue to search the areas around where nat stayed…then I would say its a useless search
and think about it….if a beheaded body can be dumped in a grave yard there since all this started and not be solved….how the heck are they gonna solve this
Ithink sim…and check me..had a theory going of their own…
Yolande,
No they definatly told them about the security guards.
woah….where did that sentence come from…..okaie all thats it for me…..
Lou Anne,
The are not limiting their search. They are picking key areas first and going over some areas that had been gone over by the Arubian Police.
They caught the person who beheaded the guy. It was his girlfriend or was anyway.
Shock didn’t say anything new at all and in fact if you read Shock I really think that is the same person as the Psychic that made all the predictions and got trashed on her and anther blog. Not saying what they say is right or wrong.
Natalee absolutly did not run away…..
Yolande,
Don’t you remember when the security guards were released from jail they said one of the brothers apologized for implicating them. They told a lie.
It was Mrs. Twitty who said to the media that she thought the security guards were innocent and that they should be let go. I think they were then released the next day.
Just pray for NATALEE. And I am tired of reading “fish food”. It really is not something nice to say…it is totally possible she is in the ocean but for the family, I do not think it is a really nice thing to say.
Uh OH—The father is released. The Aruban police just can’t be that incompetent. The father must have told them something and there was no need to hold him further. In the coming week pressure will be put on Joran and the two brothers. A confession may be forthcoming before the end of next of this week! As I said before look for the simplest explanation—Joran and the two brothers took her, were with her, and were there when the deed was done—a fatal reaction to alcohol or a drug.
Actually, I think most in this case is hearsay and rumours. So I dont know what to believe and I dont know what is fact.
I personally have been listening to the people in Aruba to find out what is going on. I keep thinking by what they are telling, that things are going to start moving. Honestly I have not seen much progress. Maybe it’s because of the lack of info we are getting from the Aruban authorities
Here is a quote from Joran’s mother.
“A little bit of the nightmare clouds are now disappearing,” Anita van der Sloot told The Associated Press. “The truth will always come forward. From the beginning, I trusted everything would be fine.”
The truth will never come forward from her end. All they seem to do is lie. It’s like who lies and who swears. You don’t know who to believe from those three.
This is sad they are going to let everyone go and we will never know what has happend to that girl, I really do feel that it seems that no one in Aurba cares to find out what really happened, but they will sure want all the us dollars they can receive from americans going to this island ….its a shame.
Anita probably believes those two had nothing to do with it. She was out of town and does not have a clue what went on. From rumours I have heard that Paulus had a shady character before this, but I don’t know if it was true.
The father, in agreeing to wave his right not to testify against Joran, may testify that he knows nothing about Joran committing a crime. This shouldn’t be interpreted as the same as the father saying his son is guilty.
Caribbean – I have said that all along – Aruba will never solve this case – it’s not in their bst interest to solve it. They are fumbling the investigation to cover their own while hoping the American people will just forgive an appearance of inexperience. We all know what happened – we don’t need a body or a conviction by the Arubian government.
I haven’t caught up on posts yet – wow a lot has been going on here
Noticed how quickly she returned from her vacation or where ever she was. Quick honey come home we have to clean up the house a bit.
I think momma VDS is a little less than above reproach herself. She was not so sure. She was on the tv balling and upset. What a whackjob. There is more than the little we know and it will come out. Believe me, it will..
Believe me if I know anything I don’t think for one minute Paulus would admit his son was guilty.. EVEN IF HE SAW HIM DO IT.
I just don’t think the TX team will find Natalee. If she’s in the ocean, too much time has passed. And, I just don’t think she’s buried on the island.
I hope so Elaine.
NW – Paulus will never say his son is guilty – I would never deduct that from today’s actions – Paulus oached those boys on their story and knows very well what it will take to get all of them off. I have no doubt that Paulus either said to the boys”Don’t tell me anymore…but here’s what you do.” Or he will flat out lie. He will never say his son is guilty even if he watched the crime himself – not saying he did – just making a point.
Maybe the body will still be in the water. As I have said before, Laci Peterson was recovered.
Too much time, wrong currents, or she wouldhave washed ashore by now.
I hate to even talk like this but if she was thrown in the ocean wouldn’t she be weighted down with something. Would they risk the possibility of her washing up to shore.
I guess we will all have to sit back and watch. What will happen is her body will wash up after all are let go. And accidental death will be the cause.
They say that laci was weighed down. A weight is not going to hold a body down forever.
some of you people trip me out! Here you go now attacking the VDS mothers character! You have go to be kidding me. The woman is a school teacher and a mother. She would have every reason to be upset about her son and her husband being arrested. That is a normal reaction of someone who loves her family! That does not make her a “whackjob”. Come on now people, think clearly now. Stop attacking and pointing fingers when we have NO proof what so ever that anyone is guilty of anything.
Does anyone have any thought on PVS having someone dispose of the body – perhaps not the night of the disappearance – This of course works under the theory that she is deceased and not sold into slavery some where – perhaps the body was put somewhere temporarily but PVS knew he was too hot to handle it and maybe called in a favor using his high rank. Of course I have ABSOLUTELY no facts or items to build this theory – but PVS is a smart man – he knew the authorities would assume the body was dumped in the water – Anyone else have any thoughts along these lines?
“…three hours with out air…”
LMAO! I’m writting that one down.
Bham,
I thought about that possibility also. What if someone did have the body. Who is to say they still don’t have it.
Bham,
I thought about that possibility also. What if someone did have the body. Who is to say they still don’t have it.
where is the “three hours with out air…” coming from?
I guess none of us have ever heard of a teacher partaking in a crime = and certainly no mothers have ever ever covered up for crimes of their children before.
If you’re too emotional to kick around logical theories, perhaps you should watch censored tv – it may be all you can handle
I listen to nut jobs on this board all the time – I don’t waste my breath yelling at them – they are entitled to be stupid – that’s what freedom is.
“three hours with out air came from the below post above.
Lou Anne Lewis Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 7:27 pm
I live in the caribbean an if this is the way a government is going to handle this am ashamed and americans have every right to say they will not go to these islands where things are handle in a sloppy manner, I do feel connections are playing a great deal in this thing all these dam caribbean officals are corrupt as they come and their police service on most of these islands are a big joke.
i dont think that it is against anything for them to speak their mind, but some of these people just never stop spewing BS. lol Sometimes I get a little heated and have to speak on it. Don’t mean to offend anyone, but it is also my right “freedom of speech” to reply if I choose.
Thank you Bham! 
I think she meant 3 minutes without air – it is funny – but I make typos a lot too so I can’t criticize
Same here, just to lighten the mood, no offense.
Thanks San. that is too funny! See what I mean about spewing BS! lol
I’m off to see what else happened in the news today – keep kicking around those theories – wouldn’t it be hilarious if we solved the case before the Arubians – actually that’s realistic – so wouldn’t it be funny if we solved it before the FBI and the search team.
Ta Ta fellow speculators
T K The post was a body can last three hours without air, three days without water, and three weeks without food.
I think we all get caught up as to what has happened. No harm intended.
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found
Aruba is preserved and Babylon will pay the price
the gods know that the blame lies on babylon
the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking
Pleeeeeaaaasseee! The fact she is a teacher is nothing. Teachers are guilty of crimes everyday. Pamela Smart was not only a teacher, but a seductress, pedafile and murderer. Diane B. 9don’t remember her last name) was also a teacher and so on.
Mary Kay LeToureau, teacher,molester. She is there. She can be found.
The mother is no innocent. She knows of her son’s escapades, yet she proclaims they have strict rules. She knows something. Not what senior knows, but she knows something.
I think every mother wants to believe in there child. I know i would not want to think a child that came from me could do something so horrible. Also Young vds has been running around like this for a while. Did anyone see his friend who was interviewd by geraldo
She definately knows something. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
I think she knows something is not right.
what about being a mother???? does that give her to right to greive and be upset? What would you feel if your son and husband were arrested and being crucified? Would you think that you were a “whacko” just because you cried and greived for them?
I think if he does gets off. This kid will only be worst because he knows he got away with it. Remember when he was first approached by Mrs. Twitty and he started to pound his chest. Hopefully he doesn’t come to school in the US.
maybe that was a 17 year old boy showing his frustration. Maybe he was pounding his chest and saying what do you want me to do, because he had already done everything that he could. Just a thought.
I never called her a whacko. Of course she has a right to be upset. I would. But comeon this is a blog… Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.
S you are pathetic. If you are trying to be funny you could at least come up with something more original than a copy of one of your previous droll entries.
T K Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:34 pm
what about being a mother???? does that give her to right to greive and be upset? What would you feel if your son and husband were arrested and being crucified? Would you think that you were a “whacko” just because you cried and greived for them?
Scott Says:
I think it does. It is obviously on a different level. You can greive for your own personal loss of a son and husband to the prision system and the life as you knew it, or the threat of it. At the same time you can grieve for the crime that was commited.
T K I’m tending to agree with your earlier post. We have no idea what really happened, except that a yong woman is missing, and her parents are having to deal with the unimaginable. And although the Van Der Sloots know where their son is, I am quite sure that they never imagined they would be in their present circumstances either. In one day everything changed for these families, and their lives will never be the same again. We can at least offer our prayers and our compassion, not our divisiveness, as the truth unfolds and justice prevails.
PA MOM Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:38 pm
S you are pathetic. If you are trying to be funny you could at least come up with something more original than a copy of one of your previous droll entries.
Scott Says:
Who are your refering to?
nm, i see. it is an odd thing to say.
That was on the monday night when Natalee’s family arrived and he was at the casino gambling until 3:00 am. If you were the father wouldn’t you tell you son to stay home. But maybe it was their plan to say act like you always do and go to the casino like there is nothing wrong.
Scott – sorry – I was just catching up and saw a posting from S at 3:57 p.m. today. S was just spouting his usual, and it just ticked me off this time for some reason. I usually just stay silent.
Maya99
Thanks for redirecting the small-mindedness of some to the issues at hand.
Let’s stay focused; stop belittling and demeaning; and grasp faith and hope.
loose ends are about tied.
What else, Shango?
i am starting to thik shango and simian are the same
Could DirtyHand be Dirty Harry?
Where did the psychics go?
remember the comment simian made last night about people posing as him? I don’t have the exact words, but he said he was going to leave because people were trying to pose as him. Not sure if it is true, but I remember simian stating that last night.
a double something
doppelganger
yes that would be it
Doppelganger.
For weeks I’ve been lurking and totally believing Simian and Checkme. Now I just don’t know if they’ve got any more facts than we do, or just are speculating. Nothing against them at all. They’re great. But today’s news is rather surprising and depressing.
I can’t believe what’s going on on this Island for Christ sake ! The Minister of Justice said yesterday that JVDS would not last long knowing his dad is incarcerated and next thing you know they release the man !!! Judges work on Sundays down there ??? My God , what a messed up place !!
what man had his head cut off and found on the beach in aruba?
This kid is going to last as long as it takes to get him out of jail. No speak no time. Hopefully something will turn up to turn things around.
the more I read here, the more I thi nk ARUBA is RUN BY BABOONS
i resemble that remark
Anne
On Friday, Checkme said that they had nothing against the Paul. Earlier, Simian said that the son’s problem was his attitude and predicted that the father was going to be brought in. I gather whenever he mentioned Noor, he was refering to the VDS’s.
You just have to be patient and keep tuned in.
Now Shango, he is really something. If his postings were not so repetitive, I’d give it a try at deciphering, but he repeats too much.
I think his Lordship is the PM, the Babylons are exiles, whatever that means. The Lebanese Aruba are also mentioned (Sumarians). The shivas are the Kalpoe’s. I think the fort is Texas or the USA. Paul’s cards up the sleeve are the securitu guards theory plus Steve Croes. The thing is that Shango goes over and over, and indifferent lines calls the same people different names, for instance, the Kalpoes. So his doble talk is not precise, making it non enticing to decipher.
The more I read here the more I think Americans ….. could think better at times.
The guy on Fox News said that he believe the body is not far from where Natalee was last seen. Know one knows where in fact she was last seen. Three options come to mind are: 1. VDS home. 2. Marriott beach. 3 Light house.
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
The singing card can not be played
The cowboys would circle the wagons
The arawaks are preparing the sacrifice
light the fires
the gods are talking
The sacrificial offering will not be scapegoat
Shangoooooooo
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Paul
There is some really intreasting information on this blog about PVDS http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.
Correction
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes
FYI, there appears a lot of concern for the release of Paulus, a previous comment of Jug Twit to have Anita arrested barely raised an eyebrow. MB student claim that the MSM always seem to take their statement out of context. Okay so now we have a situation where Paulus was brought in to clarify previous statement. Perhaps the Police saw the full unedited version of the taped interview? See where I am heading? Paulus could have elaborated on something but the taped version never came out or what ever you know? Well that or the Police is doing a tactical release of the suspect. There I was able to appease both camps.
Who knows what song the elder will sing
i thought the last judge was supposed to be impartial
why did they again change judges for papa vs?
today’s judge was new
why?
cover up
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl
Shango
Do the Sumerians own the kaseenos??????
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!
Shango
Clarify this. Joran is supposed to be a Babylonian. Are there more Babylonians other than him????
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire
Is Dirty Hand from Savaneta???
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe
Ok, they are preparing the sacrificial fire, but will they sacrifice a Babylonian????
What do you folks think about all of the gambling references from Shango?
All of his clues involve “playing” a hand or a card…And the terrible secret is a “Dirty Hand.” And the consistent references to whether or not the cowboys will leave with the loot.
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
S-H-ANGEEOH
S-H-ANGEEOH
S-H-ANGEEOH
And SHANGO was his name-oh!
Why would an elder Babylonian let a younger Babylonian be sacrified. Once again, do the Sumerians own the kaseenos?
IS Dirty Hand a Macambo???
The “kaseenos” must be the the important link. I wonder how JVDS had so much cash (and why the elder had so much cash) to blow on drinking and gambling when supposedly this family was regular middle class. Follow the money.
Shango
So, the night befor the disappearance, Joran was with the same gamblers too.
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth…..
Lucy:
Thanks. It’s not a matter of being patient as much as I was puzzled how it was okay to arrest a man just to make his son talk and then let him go. Does arrest not harm reputations in Dutch law as it does in US? Again, thanks. I have been lurking for awhile now
Simian:
Never said you posed. You have predicted too much not to be much closer to the situation than anyone else. Just thought maybe you were going with the word on the street or speculating.
Also: the Babylonians know the girl. Current tense. Last night I was certain you were speaking epilogue, not ongoing story.
New Girl
You don’t have to have a lot of cash to stay all night at the kaseenos. A few chips on the roulette will keep you eating and drinking for free all night long.
Simian
So, she played the casinos 3 nights and supposedly took $10,000 out of her credit card, and left $5,000 in her purse. So obviously she was gambling. But why would the gamblers harm her.
What keeps confusing me is what will be the sacrifice.
Shango
I read something about ganbanging a 14 yr. old tourist and filming it. But this was not attributed to the duo of Babylonians, but to another group of kids, including Van Rijn, Aredszetc.
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal.
So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep. They accuse him to be Bifrons.
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response
Bifrons- evil or the devil… right?
Bifrons = demon /monster
The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall
Simian
Demoniacal???
Who are the gods?
the 46th spirit was bifrons
The Simain thinks that Babalà º is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle
croes out tomottow @ 1
papa out already
why the time difference???
Bifrons = He changeth Dead Bodies, and putteth them in another place; also he lighteth seeming Candles upon the Graves of the Dead.
: (
Shango and Simian
So he said goodbye to the Kalpoes and called some school friens that are Babylonians and were at the kaseeno the night before, and the other three nights gambling with Natalee.
So, the kid is a sociopath???
DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows
conspiracy
how about he Joran left her on the beach alone, and some other gamblers from the casino who knew her did something to her?
The cowboys hear the singing but don’t understand the words
Simian
Probably totally clueless, I am just trying to guess not to continue in Limbo. I assumed that Babylonians are those in exile, expatriates. Initially I thought they were Syrian Arubans, because of the Tifgris and Euphrates thing, but beleive me, I will not mind if you continue to enlighten me. Keep making exceptions.
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left
Why not look in the grave yard. Wouldn’t you look where most people wouldn’t look.
Records would indicate which grave was recently opened and you could tell which one was recently opened. I live across the street from a grave yard and you could tell without a doubt.
Shango writes: The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall
This means that the mover of the dead girl’s body will be caught? Is he the sacrifice? Is it Lorenzo the insane guy, or is he the one with power?
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
But didn’t he supossedly called his father at 400 AM, and that is why he was late for school??????
The alibi needs to be broken. The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.
The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive. The third act will played soon, but the boy is not Ajax. He is too afraid to pull off such a feat.
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices
DirtyHand will never wipe his hands clean.
The teenage students who are related to government officials are wrapped up with Lorenzo, his rave house and drug parties, and the young VDS, and have provided a false alibi
simian
what did the girl do earlier in the week?
Simian
The alibi of the party or the alibi of sleeping at home???
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders
Simian
All I read is that she did not sleep with her roommates on nights 2,3,4 of her trip.
Hello – there is someone else NH hung with earlier in the week. I think that’s what Simian said last week.
Shango
Are the Elders the Papa Babylonians. (See Simian, still clueless. I definetly need your help).
Something is going to happen to Lorenzo. Probably something that will prevent him from speaking.
I wonder if his father REALLY committed suicide.
maybe a jealous lovers triangle going on then eh simian?
Maybe someone got mad that she was with Joran that night and couldn’t handle it?
They said the sacrifice would not be an innocent
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave
He can break the alibi
I have been reading here for a few days, but I seemed to have missed stuff about this LORENZO, whats the story there and what about a blue van ? anyone…..
At some point, did NH had a room of her own?
When you say “ALL houses” Do you also mean the houses of Natalees family and friends?
So, Dirty Hand is the kid that knows to much and holds the power that could hurt:
a. The Arawaks.
b. The Babylonians.
c. The detainee (s).
d. The lordship.
e. All of the above ?????
Shango
I thought Dirty Hand was the one who had the alibi …
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
More hint on “what the girl did earlier in the week” please Simian?
And…
And Ajax, in his deep distress
Allied to our disgrace,
Hath cherished in his loneliness
The bosom friend’s embrace.
Frenzy hath seized thy dearest son,
Who from thy shores in glory came
The first in valor and in fame.
The deeds that he hath done
Seem hostile all to hostile eyes;
The sons of Atreus see them and despise.
Woe to the mother, in her close of day,
Woe to her desolate heart, and temples gray,
When she shall hear
Her loved one’s story whispered in her ear!
“Woe, woe!” will be the cry–
No quiet murmur like the tremulous wail
Of the lone bird, the querulous nightingale–
But shrieks that fly
Piercing, and wild, and loud, shall mourn the tale;
And she will beat her breast, and rend her hair,
Scattering the silver locks that Time hath left her there.
Oh! when the pride of Grà ¦cia’s noblest race
Wanders, as now, in darkness and disgrace,
When Reason’s day
Sets rayless–joyless–quenched in cold decay,
Better to die, and sleep
The never-waking sleep, than linger on
And dare to live, when the soul’s life is gone;
But thou shalt weep,
Thou wretched father, for thy dearest son,
The best beloved, by inward Furies torn,
The deepest, bitterest curse, thine ancient house hath borne!
Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties – Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government – Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake
Who’s alibi darling????
The escot’s alibi?
The gamblers alibi?
She was taken to the elders?????
It sounds like whatever Natalee did earlier that week involved sex – Mary not a Virgin
Shango
Perhaps you may care to answer: who owns the kaseenos in Aruba? The Babylonians, The Sumarians??
Are the elders part of the Babylonians, The Sumarians or the Gamblers????
SIMIAN, Help!!!!!!
I don’t understand, its all riddles to me. Makes no sense with the way responses are made on this blog. I have watched nothing but fox news and cnn for 4 weeks on this story and never heard about lorenzo. babylonians ????
It is Lorenzo’s alibi that must be broken
Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks were maintained until the gods heard
Babylon now fears reprisals
the fires are lit
there will be 46 sacrifices
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes.
This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.
Lorenzo’s father owned a VW dealership and also had some sort of import/export business. He reportedly committed suicide and this drove Lorenzo insane. Maybe Lorenzo’s father didn’t take his own life. Maybe HE knew too much at one time?
The Simian only speaks for himself.
Cafone
A person who is an embarrassment to himself or others.
I can’t take you anywhere, you cafone.
so joran took natalee to this party. Perhaps she was drugged.
Oh, I found a “lugubrious game” – not sure I can post it here
Simiam
All= the gablers????
All= the Babylonians, whon I continue to not know.
Was the boy at the party too, or he just made the delivery?
The Lugubrious Game
Slave of the second bed,
mistress of the first, Gala,
spread on my deck, urgent
and smooth as a Cadillac,
a hearse for the heart,
spark in his engine of bones.
Make me a meal of urchins,
you said, and feed me your will.
A rabbit, skinned and stewed,
is a gift, or pigeon, well plucked.
Pets are loved to be killed.
And friends, like you, to be f–ked.
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon
the girl knew this
Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.
I apologize for the greusomeness of that poem. I found it by searching the lugubrious game, here: http://www.dhfurniss.eurobell.co.uk/chilugubrious.htm
Shango said: Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.
To collect $$? His take? Or to deliver something.
Why did the girl owe money?
Shango, is it true that the Chief Babylonian and The Elder had a meeting behind closed doors that went on for hours the same the shivas and Joran were interviewed?
In the Palace that is…..
new girl,
where do you get the idea that whatever Natalee did eariler that week included sex?
why would she owe money?
money for drugs = X?
Shango
So, Babylonians are not from somewhere. It refers so a places with prevailing behaviors, related to self seeking pleasures perhaps with “sensuality, vice and corrption”. And she was there before?????
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks
DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless.
He can break the alibi
Justin T asked: where do you get the idea that whatever Natalee did eariler that week included sex?
Our clue giver Shango said:
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
Why include virginity?
Dirty Hand took an innocent’s life, regardless of virginity.
We are back to: good power, bad power. Break the alibi and get to the core.
Choose the right and just decision.
Joran’s mother pronounces his name, “Urine.”
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes — she is alive but she will be killed and dumped to be found by the searchers.
No one is above reproach. We all make bad decisions.
That gives no one the right to overpower and kill us unless we have seriously harmed another.
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild, the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable
Aenim
Great that you have shown up. Perhaps you can help me more than Shango and Simian. Any tips?? From what I read, there are many houses of Babylon, but now you are refering to a PALACE and not elders, but ELDER, especifically. Is thi ELDER Paulus and is the Chief Babylonian a Sumerian???????
And then, a life for a life is not the cure. for the human soul.
LOL, thanks, Pete, I needed that.
Or maybe the 3rd act is a homicide. If Lorenzo holds the futures of others in his hands, this mystery could be tied up nicely with a Lorenzo suicide note confession taking resposibility for the disappearance of Natalee and telling the location of her body.
new girl,
That is all such bullshit. I am so sick of these assholes trying to trash her and or her family. First no one has claimed she was a virgin. What she was not was a girl who just slept around with any guy. she had VERY few boyfriends and really did not date that much. Hardly a ho. This guy and his criptic messages can go to hell
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await
Shango??? meaning????
Just a thought…. Has anyone stopped to think that the persons involved in this might very well be on this blog….
Seems like DirtyHand is set for life, is unethically deemed King of Aruba. One wrong turn from Babs or Arawaks, and all the houses fall.
Shango
She firt entered voluntarily. But was shen then forced down the corridor???
Justin T,
Did you know her personally? Besides one comment about her not being a virgin doesn’t equal to trashing her reputation.
newgirl
you may have something there
u know what your getting into when u go to one of these Rave parties?
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Hey, Chimes.. we need you.
With all due respect Justin T, to say that an 18 year old is not a virgin is not trashing her or calling her a ho. Are we only permitted to discuss theories of her disappearance that preserve her chastity? I was no longer a virgin at 18, and I wasn’t a ho either.
Chimes
That is, until they shoot him in the back. Unless, DirtyHand is a secret that the Arawaks have and since we don’t know who the Babylonians are, and Arawaks don’t tell on Dirty Hand, he’ll go incognito and cease to exist.
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
one’s knowledge does not equal one’s experience. Experience is the teacher for many people.
You go new girl!
I’m here. We have 90 days left.
Shango
So, the last night she went voluntarily. SO the Palace of Babylon is at the Marriot.
snatch this pebble from my hand, grasshopper….
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
Basically you take your life into your own hands when visiting these
third world country’s. You are seen as there country’s # 1 resource and
they will benefit from your visit one way or another.
I knew from day one when Natalee went missing on a Aruba there would
be no justice and I can assure, there will never be any.
The reluctance to investigate or even acknowledge crimes committed against tourist
is the reason why there will never be and resolution to Natalees disappearance.
Whatever the system, there are basic investigative fundamentals that need to be adhered to conduct a good investigation. With the advances in forensic science, time is of the essence.
If you don’t gather this evidence promptly, these tools can be lost to you. Not searching the VS himself, there home and cars sooner is a blunder that cannot be excused.
Do to the sheer incompetence and self pride of the local authorities. All evidence was
lost, disregarded, tampered with, or just destroyed.
Natalee left the bar with these three guy’s and in less then 5 hours she disappeared
without a trace. Hoping these three boy’s will confess to murdering a defenseless young
woman, is not an investigation. These Aruba authorities have no idea how to handel this
case and have no plans on doing so. They put on show that will never amount to anything.
Again when you travel to these third world country’s – make no mistake – you take your
life into your own hands, just ask
Beth Holloway
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation
[i]Or maybe the 3rd act is a homicide. If Lorenzo holds the futures of others in his hands, this mystery could be tied up nicely with a Lorenzo suicide note confession taking resposibility for the disappearance of Natalee and telling the location of her body. [/i]
Equally viable, but earlier I thought the lamb referenced was pointed out to be JVdS.
Thanks T K!
Shango
Is the Marriott Resort & Casino a franchise operation in Aruba?????
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation
Anne
I don’t think they are refering to Lorenzo. He is a Babylonian and DirtyHand is not.
Dirty Hands has dipped his paws in the Euphrates River several times…and his paws remain soiled…. The elder has fallen and can’t get up….. and the Arawak nation is hiding behind many palm branches waiting for the doves to fly and bring back a twig….
By Arawak Nation, do you mean Surinam, even if non Kalpoe related???
The lamb was to be Joran, but the father cannot go through with pointing the finger at his son. So, he will not.
The third act will not occur as it will be unnecessary UNLESS forensics threatens to bring the wrong people down. ?
That’s right, Babalu
Or perhaps, Colombia, since the Arawaks originated in the Andes????
The package is still due.
Aenim
That’s right to which post?????
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed
Joran Van Der Sloot Guilty on my toast
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5592653267&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
DirtyHands has initials that match the capitals?
Dirty Hands is someone making money by looking the other way about certain criminal behaviors on the island. Law enforcement perhaps, unless mafia/cartel sort of thing
Babylonians=Europeans
Arawaks=Native Arubans
Cowboys=Americans (USA)
Lordship-JVDS
Elders=Authorites
Dirty Hand- Drug Cartel leaders???
Am I close??
the night was dark
the sky was blue
down in ARUBA
a blue van flew
a shot rang out
a scream was heard
poor young JORAN
was killed by a TURD
Simiam
The package that shall be recieved in exchange???
Concerned, I’ll hire you.
Law enforcement will have forensics tomorrow? Maybe elder VDS isn’t off the hook
Babalu, I think you’re mostly far off in reading these clues
Simian
Did Papa Babylon write something in the paper lately??????
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time
Thanks, Babalu. DirtyHand is Arawak, then, or nationality not disclosed (or I missed it)?
He’s been up for years.
This whole story got me sick ! I can”t figure the Aruban authorities and the more I read about what they do, the more I think this is the Island of Dr. Moreau, half men half baboons !
Thanks, Chimes. I am looking for a change
I wonder if the family has considered calling Noreen Renier, the famous psychis used here in the states to solve crimes?
Concerned, you almost got it completely, except for the Lordship (maybe) and Dirty Hand
Aenim
I am, that is why I keep asking questions. I am hundreds of miles away and keep trying to make some sense out of this. Perhaps the clues are too hard. By the way, Simian already told me the same thing. In fact he called me clueless.
But once again, when you said tha’s right, which post did you mean: the 10:57 PM or 10:58 PM????
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.
Dirty Hand has no nationality. He has no soul.
Babalu “Is thi ELDER Paulus and is the Chief Babylonian a Sumerian???????”
Concerned
I’ll try to help. Lorship, the PM.
Dirty Hand is the Kasino Manager
Aenim
Please confirm.
TK, are you there?
from today’s earlier posts i got the impression that Lordship was the judge flown in from Curacao. i don’t recall the exact quote that made me think this.
yes ragalee I am still here. What can I do for you?
I’ll keep my comments for now…
Even Flying Birds Sing
If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed
I must feed the messengers
I was just going back to an earlier conversation we had about the info we got last night, have you heard anymore or heard from that person? I am just now getting back online from earlier this evening…did I miss anything on this?
who will bring the key if the babylonians hands are tied?
perhaps the dna results
Aenim
Well, definetly not, but now I have a new definition of Babylonian … Contrary to some, I am not embarrassed to be corrected, so keep on going. By the way, it seems that your definition of Babylonians is a bit different from Shango’s
I hear them chirping away in the tradewinds.
Hammer and block = judge?
Dirty hand relates to Casino higherup/has some role in Aruban Govt. ???
Regalee
We are still trying to decipher Shango’s secret message transmission.
that’s what i think anne
that’s what i think anne
30 hours
body will be found
I have not seen one post from him/her on any of the boards here today. I really think that we may not hear from that person again for a while. Since everything they said would happen today failed to happen, they may be embarrased or something. I have been here most of the day. The only people still speaking has been Simian and Shango. No new information that has been interesting really. Sorry!
ragalee- i don’t think so. i was hoping to hear something as well. you refer to the news that was promised?
The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.
Hammer and block makes sense to me. The first two missed the block, now they have imported the 3rd from Curacao.
Thanks TK. I see the secret code hasn’t ran anyone off yet.
Sand, yes, that is what I was referring to.
Shango
Are the Sumerians the Mansurs???????????
Why is there acomment in italics beside my name? Anyone?
We are refering to “Shock”, who hasn’t been heard from today. Everyone was telling us last night to really listen to him/her. That they were very reliable. But I haven’t seen them posting today.
conc:
does it say something about being moderated?
My defintion of Babylonians is the same as Shango’s, for as far that I can read them
Maybe last night’s poster was given wrong information that the package from the Hague would be arriving this morning. Maybe it’s arriving tomorrow instead. Perhaps the judge who “missed the plane” on Saturday was trying to delay the hearing until he or she could review this package. But it never came, and time required the hearing be held today without it.
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.
TK- i think shock said last night that they would not be posting again for security reasons. only to watch for the news.
Ztriggz, yes!
Anyone online that is in Aruba right now? If so, what is the atmosphere like? Would a tourist even know that all of this is going on or would it seem like a vacation as usual to them? I ask for a reason…
That may be what happened New girl, but the person who stated it would happen today has not been heard from today. You never know really what happened.
Concerned
You wrote the word kasino with c, as you should. It happens with that word.
Maybe if the Hague package had arrived as expected, today would have gone very differently and formal accusations would have been made instead of having to let Paulus go because the time for holding him without better evidence ran out…maybe Shock knows the results of the forensics but cannot say due to requirement not to leak info before a judge has made a decision
As usual
And the reason?
Shango, SImian, Aenim I think are all in Aruba
The Simian has earned that much. And your descriptions are much more lyrical as well as cryptic. So you do not support the words of any other would-be Mordechai Vanunu?
conc:
happened to me a few days ago after posting some mafia cartel links.
it’ll likely go away once that post is reviewed, i like some stuff gets checked for liabiltiy making sure its not porn or commercial stuff.
I had that same thing beside my name earlier concerned. it is gone now.
Thanks Sandinmytoes.
I am from Aruba and in Aruba. If you go to the hotels you will see the beaches are full. Tourist are going along just fine. The party busses are all over. Restaurants are full. Nothing is unusual.
Simian
Any ideas how many days ago. Help me here please.
Thanks AESII, I will be there starting Tuesday.
Who took the boy there and home….the blue van with the big speaker. My guess.
Nothing is unusual for the tourists, but Arubians are affected
That could change. We parents unfortunately needed an awakening. Not only are our children naive about their vunerability, but we are too complacent for sure.
have you been there before Ragalee? Good to see you aren’t letting all of this stop you from going to Aruba. I hope you have a great trip.
The locals are very concerned. Very simple people. They can’t believe that people would try to pin something this bad on them.
I would say the tourists here are somewhat unworried. In any case it would seem to me less worried than the Arubans themselves.
I can guarantee schools will rethink allowing tour companies to come in and promote such excursions. No one wants to see this experience repeated.
Station Identification: Anyone can flip back as many pages to rehash and keep their thoughts mindful by just entering e.g., http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1188 (Concerned knows this is one of my favs,) or /?p=1170 etc….
A pleathora of statiscal info can be unearthed by clicking on the number of “Vistors” at the bottom of this page.
Maybe everyone knows this, but if one is registered on Scared Monkeys, one is accessible to even more exacting forums.
I believe that I read several places that this trip was not setup through the school itself. It was done by the parents.
That’s right, AESSII
Nope, never been to Aruba. Thought for awhile about canceling my trip but then realized, this is one event, just one, crap the same or worse happens everyday in my city, every day…but I still go out, go to work, go to the movies, etc….Just can’t live life scared or blaming of everyone.
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl? This is unbelievable.
The Babylonians need to pinch the ravers. That will need to happen tomorrow.
The Simian is leaving.
Maybe so, but such trips are planned with consent of schools.
Goodnight, Simian. Thank you for all you’ve done.
A reader for days needs help finding Simians posts from a few days ago. How can I get to them?
Thanks, Chimes. Thanks, Simian.
Yeah that is a great way to look at it. Wish more people would realize that themselves. I live here in the states myself and people disappear daily perhaps hourly in the USA. How many people continue to visit our country everyday? Thousands, I am sure. Maybe oneday I will visit Aruba, looks like a very beautiful place.
ok i found all that very interesting btw
I have often thought of a rave party being involved.
the comment made to the security guard in the jail about her ending up
in a “crack house somewhere” led me that direction.
like she was disposed of or lost… I also believe others are involved…
Ragalee go to Cafà © Chaos. Favorite hang-out of mine. Great bands every week-end and the crowd is mid to upper professionals. Most locals are educated in the US and Europe. Trust me it is not Carlos & Charlie’s.
For great food check out Hostaria Da Vitorrio. Great Italian. AquaGrill is a great restaurant too.
I’ll let you know how it is upon my return.
What State?
C-ya
North carolina here. Just a small town girl, but I love to travel. Have tons of fun on the trip.
Will do AESII, I appreciate the recommendations very much. Will be in Aruba for several days, need lots to do….
46 =# of ravers??
TK, race fan?
i dunno i was lost on what the 46 could mean
yes i am, earnhardt fan for life
Bond:
Go to chimes post where he lists a link that ends in p=1188. Click on it. Read and there will be other links.
Goodnight, all.
Me too….and 18. Sad today for E.
Thanks Anne!!
Well 46 could perhaps mean 6′ 4” i.e. the height of Joran.
yeah hes had a rough year so far. Hopefully it will get better.
Anyways…. have fun on your trip. I am out of here for the evening. Thanks for everyones input tonight, it was interesting to read all the posts. Goodnight to all.
Ragalee: There is a string of restaurants too in front of the Hyatt that are very nice. Inside the Marriott there’s a sushi bar that is one the best on the island.
For local food “Brisas del Mar”, that is in Savaneta. The “Old Fisherman” is in Oranjestad and also serves authentic local food.
Hope you have a good time in Aruba. Please don’t get lost.
bond
Check page 1171. There Simian talks about the 5th suspect, the guy that Natalee spend the first three days with, his scorn, his conforntation of Joran and how he concockted an alibi, that place him at a party in his house.
To make it easier on my self, I selected the whole page and the did a search on Simian, to get it over fast.
Night TK
bond
The title is Beth Twitty and the van der Sloots meet.
If I get lost, I will not be alone, I can assure you of that. Lost with someone is way better than being alone. Ya know what I mean?
OK, before I sign out, in laymans terms, who would like to make a prediction or educated guess of what will happen tomorrow if anything new?
Does lorenzo = locoman?? Is Dirty Hands T? Why fear Dirty Hands??? Maybe the casinos do the laundry chore? From money that flows through for the organization?
Dirty Hands has all in his back pockets. Natalee gambled more than she was supposed to? The nights 2,3,4 were spent in the casinos. All the other kids are keeping quiet about it. Some of the secret is in the casino. VDS may be in the thick of things. VDS Sr that is. Or is it the one that Steve works for?
These secrets must be exposed. There is much more to the story. We must know it all.
Does lorenzo = locoman?? Is Dirty Hands T? Why fear Dirty Hands??? Maybe the casinos do the laundry chore? From money that flows through for the organization?
Dirty Hands has all in his back pockets. Natalee gambled more than she was supposed to? The nights 2,3,4 were spent in the casinos. All the other kids are keeping quiet about it. Some of the secret is in the casino. VDS may be in the thick of things. VDS Sr that is. Or is it the one that Steve works for?
These secrets must be exposed. There is much more to the story. We must know it all.
Thanks to those who have assisted bond. I just wandered off in Monkey World to find a more exacting way, to no avail yet.
Regalee
Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ‘s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.
Thanks to you too Bab!! I need to get all of Simians info together.
Thx Bab. We’ll see if this comes true for Monday, then Tuesday I’ll have to see for myself what happens since I will be in Aruba.
See ya.
Ok, would someone tell me who Simian is supposed to be?
Regalee
By the way, if you go to the internet cafe, look for Deepak later on during the week. He will not be there on tuesday. If we don;t talk tomorrow, have a nice trip, and enjoy your stay.
The 46 reference was related to Bifrons. Bifrons is aka the 46th spirit. See: http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/bifrons.asp
“The Forty-sixth Spirit is called Bifrons, or Bifrous, or Bifrovs. He is an Earl, and appeareth in the Form of a Monster; but after a while, at the Command of the Exorcist, he putteth on the shape of a Man. His Office is to make one knowing in Astrology, Geometry, and other Arts and Sciences. He teacheth the Virtues of Precious Stones and Woods. He changeth Dead Bodies, and putteth them in another place; also he lighteth seeming Candles upon the Graves of the Dead. He hath under his Command 6 Legions of Spirits.”
JayFreddy
The other day he mentioned that he was Southamerican, but believe me, he is no monkey.
New Girl
So Shamu was saying that the kid is evil. He also said that the father did not walked the paths of the son, so maybe that is why he was let go.
bond, are a.k.a. james or 007?
1. The Babylonians are the Dutch, the white man. The Arawaks are the Arubans. The black man. They cannot stand being ruled by the Dutch white man. They were hoping conviction of the father would bring the Dutch ruling house of cards to come tumbling down.
—
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire
—
2. The new judge came in and released father Sloot in order to keep Dutch control over Aruba. If a white dutch judge is convicted of a crime there all hell will break loose in the Hague.
–
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!
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3. Past tense for the Indian brothers and past tense for the Arubans who had been in contact with her at any time. Present tense for the Dutch who are holding her captive and alive (at this or some other time).
—
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl
—
4. Dirty hand is not an Aruban but has been there from day one. Not like the Sloots.
—
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe
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5. Released the Father today which would have set the domino effect of the outser of foreign invaders from Aruba. The Americans sense all of this but cannot figure it out yet.
—
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response
6. Local kids play with the younger Sloot children. Where are the younger children today. That or brothels where locals partake in the forbiden European pleasures.
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Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices
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7. Either the brother or the Sloot house. Where dirty hand watched or filmed.
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You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon
the girl knew this
Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire
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8. If they don’t find her tomorrow they never will. Oddly enough one of the rescuers said the same thing. Tomorrow or within 3 days based in there search site info
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If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed
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9. and who is dirty hand. the sloots gardner houseboy cook who hears and sees eveyrthing in that house
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DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time
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Rasta
They established earlier, that Arawaks are Colombian, like Arawaks from the Andes.
Also, the filming is at the Kasino, where she is seen in video with suspect #5, the guy she spent her first three days with.
I thought Lordship ws the PM, because he said that he was stepping down soon.
Now the question is, who are the Sumerians???? The Arab Aruba merchants or businessmen?????
Very disjointed
Dirty Hand is casino link to crimes involving, but bigger than, Natalee missing.
Rasta
Maybe she was filmed during those days too. I guess the younger Babylonians liked doing that.
Arabs are related to this Island????
I think you are all full of shit!
Nice lingua..
Concerned
Like inmigrants established in Aruba, of Lebanese descent, or Syrian descent. Like that. Not the terrorist type.
Jerry
We all are, because you read the stuff.
Is the kasino owned by Arabs?? Anyone??
I thought I was full of shit , well you got me beat!
It’s funny because we all have been trying to figure this stuff out for days now. Never do we actually get anywhere with it….
Arabs do not equal terrorists. I understand that.
Is Dirty Hand an Arab?
If Aruba is really the way these cryptic messages portray it I would be scared to go there.
Jerry
I think you are right. Our thirst for information or our addiction to all this tell and tell, have made us developed a taste for crap. Maybe we should go to bed and wake up refreshed and with a better vision of the Babylonians, the Arawaks, Dirty Harry and the Full of Craps.
Goodnight Concerned, Rasta, Chimes, Bond, and whomever may still be here.
Pleasant dreams,
Chimes, neither it’s bond together
I’m obbessed with this site and all of you!
There was a piece on 60 minutes or 20/20 where the wealthy arabs would pay people to find boys or girls to have sex with them. Some were paying $20,000 to $30,000 for the night.
Concerned
No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.
Now, now, Jerry! You may now go to the Sponge Bob forum.
Is the kasino owned by Arabs?
When I refered to the Arabs, I did because in one of his long poems, Shango makes reference to the Sumerians. So I asummed that. I understand the leading business people in Aruba and Curazao, are very richly rich families of either Arab or Jewish origins, established there for centuries.
To my dear bond, I must admit I have a little OCD also!
I have been asking the same question several times today, but no answer. I checked the casino at the Marriott, but it belongs to a chain. Again, I do not know who the owners of this chain are, nor do I know if the famous party was at the hotel where the kasino is.
Bye you all.
Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.
BaByeGoodNightBabalu!
Hmmmm
Can somoene please translate in English all the mumbo jumbo that was said above. What is the prevalent theory among the knowledgeable locals in Aruba. Don’t worry – no Columbians are watching this. You are anonymous – no one will track you down. Please explain in English whether, based on how events have turned, NH was kidnapped by some Columbians or other south americans and taken to a diff island or whether Joran killed her or let her be kidnapped by someone else? This has to end somehow — the American media may eventually leave (maybe after a couple months), but the family will not.
Here’s an interesting older post from Simian:
“Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?”
Simian, you are an idiot. I have been silently following this blog since its conception and your mysterious messages merely serve to keep people waiting with bated breath, only to ultimately disappoint. Nobody speaks in prose, esp a non-native English speaker. You’re a monkey.
Thread 1188 made a lot more sense, then Shango came in and started using a different code than Shock and Simian, now none of it makes any sense. I no longer know who any of the cast of characters are–and last night I thought I had it all down pat!
Yes, life is not always a suspense novel – there are not any columbiam mobsters monitoring your internet usage. Yes, some people blog to fantasize, but others want genuine information. Enough b.s. – a girl has likely died. Your tourism may not be affected now b/c current travelers could not cancel their planned trips, but people who will book in the future will think twice.
That was in response to observer’s post
Simian, I will be waiting for song man to be released, Greta to get elders interview and the cowboys to be closer to finding Natalee. Good nite all. until tommorrow
Sandy – could you please translate in english – not code?
I am leaving. I am done.
you have said “I am done” a thousand times since you have posted you nutcase.
Yet you never leave…that is what I have learned from this site. Simian is always done but never leaves. Because he needs attention perhaps?
Simian, thank you for the peek-a-boo.
I have some Columbian friends that live in the States – very wealthy people. If you guys don’t start making sense, I’ll have them get their gangster buddies to track you all down.
Observer, I’m not sure I can, because I’m totally confused now. Sorry I’m not being very helpful.
Observer, we’ve been kidnapped encrypted aliens. As far as I know, none of us are linguists or else there would be a translation page.
Wednesday, June 22nd, 2005 04:42 PM
Re: Which sailboat cruise -no snorkel stops?
Unless things have changed…Jethro doesn’t board off of a dock. You have to take a dingy to the octopus and then climb onboard. I have a hard time doing that so I need to go on a boat that goes off a dock..Like Red Sail. We’ve been going with them for years… Also, you don’t have to snorkle, it is wonderful watching others do it and the crew sometimes feed the fish over the side of the boat so you can see them from onboard.. just wonderful…
Where is this “Octopus Sailing” company now….seems it has vanished as well, all websites are gone, and this post was done June 22 2005. Steve Croes also ownes a sail boat, the pics were linked here but seems those are gone too.
First of All Natalee did not hook up with any other guy the first three nights there. Second it was not him who got into a fight with JVD it was someone from MB. Specifically it was Natalees cousin.
Hi all first post. I have follwed this mess from the beginning like most of you. I want to give you all something to think about. I went to college in a small town in Indiana. There was a girl that was murdered just off campus my second year. She was writing an article for the school paper that claimed that there was a rape that had happened in a popular fraternity house on campus. The media jumped on this and ran with the notion that one or more of the fraternity members killed her to protect themselves, and the fraternity. I was the president of the fraternity, and I knew that both the rape and the murder stories were both untrue. I along with about 20 other fraternity members were questioned by the state police, and the FBI. This all happened for about 6 months. In the end the story about the rape was proven to be false. The guy (not in the fraternity) responsible for the murdering the girl that was writing the article was caught. (only after killing a second college student). My point is the whole concept of the fraternity killing this girl was a good story for a movie. It was so sinister that the whole community believed and pushed this idea. We all have out thoughts about JVDS involvement in this, but just think about if he had nothing to do with this. Just a thought
Tomorrow’s news will not be pleasant. Moonlight reveals it.
May solace and strength be with everyone. Until the wave breaks again, peace.
May the peace and comfort of God be with those who are afflicted.
Simian, you are still here — I just got caght up reading the posts — I was out in the evening; As always, thanks for info.
im so glad simian left…his nonsense only complicates an already painful enough situation….sheesh! if hes working close to investigation..hes jeopradizing it by coming on here…what? to feel like he is in “the know”…comon!
if joran has nothing to hide he shouldnt be lying to police officials….
and says alot about his character to treat Natalees family the way he did….
lisa,
honestly I think the guy is full of it
simian and al of thsoe posting such serious thinsg should be careful wjhat tehy say or how they try to deflect things..its known that lawenforcemnet is monitoring these boards….and it could backfire on them….
who is full of it?
Thanks also to Rastafai Rabbi
Justin T – are you in Birmingham — Did you ever date Natalee?
What is the saturn/venus/mercury alignment like in Aruba?Man, that was brutal: scrolling from the beginning of this thread back to the end again after last post. How can I avoid this?
im with you justin..and i think its sad that some people are willing to lower something as serious as this…to all this goobledy gook!Its obvious that the investigation is frail and we all know why that is so….becuas eit was not laid on a solid foundation..i hardly think this was an accident…hate to be paranoid..but have given benefit of doubt for long enough.and cant do it anymore….aruban officials should be ashamed…and unfortunately for natalees loved ones….they are left hoping for the best….out of their hands…theyve gone above and beyond to do what it took to straighten out the investigation and give their Natalee a voice in all of this rubbish
well i am off for tonight..have a good one folks!!!
cnat watch paul van Der sloots smug looking expressions on the news anymore….he thinks he is above the law? well what comes around will go around…in one form or another….so i wish him luck!..hes gonna need it
The Octopus is a trimaran (like a catamaran, but with three hulls) owned and operated by Jethro Gesterkamp. Jethro was born in Holland, but his family moved to Aruba when he was a baby. He takes excellent care of the boat, and provides one of the best times on the island. Jethro is one of the best sailors on the island (Captain Anthony from the Tranquilo is the other). He operates strictly under sail power, and the only engine he has is on his dinghy, the “Squid”. For crew he has Jeff, an Aruban who has worked with him for many years, and a girl from Holland who only works the morning cruises.
Why is everysite linked to this now gone? Nothing left on the web but private posts…
This was a service offered in front of the Holiday Inn untill….
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting
I’ve been checking this site for a while now, and I’m convinced the reason you can’t talk since to Yolande is she has a child like crush on Joran. She’s lucky she wasn’t in her place that night or she might be dead. Then again, why would he have had to rape a willing subject!!!
Ok mooi!!!
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Featuring:
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Tim_Alabama, I guess you were on Bush’ side when he said ‘You’re either with or against us’?
My world isnt that black and white, the world is full of shades of grey.
Ik denk niet dat die gekke Amerikanen het aandurven GS te bezoeken. Daar is de Hollander veel te mondig voor. Wel durven ze op Riehl World en ook hier een enkele verdwaalde vreemdeling met een andere theorie aan te pakken met zijn allen en dat doen ze het liefste door de Arubanen en Hollanders door de seik halen. Het zijn zulke lafaards soms! Zo, dat moest ik ff kwijt! En? Voel ik me beter? Ja, ik voel me beter!
Zielig he voor die Natalee en haar ouders??
Aruban authorities have executed the coverup well, Americans are so stupid, HA HA HA
why wood he leave her on the beach?
Checkme
Wake up hijo ….
good morning all. i am still disgusted by yesterdays events. if croes and vds sr knew nothing, why didn’t they hold the dad as long as croes? more special treatment for a city official?
Good morning pktbk
gm lucy
Perhaps Paulis was only brought in for the “authorities” who have been involved in the cover up to “get the stories straight” for the bigger cover up. I think there are higher powers involved. Follow the money…..casinos, gambling debts, powerful people, who owns the Aruban media, who owns the casinos, etc. Lest we forget the first 8-10 days of the investigation?????? Has anyone noticed how the Aruban people, when interviewed, all the way from the Justice Dept. to the reporters seem to be muffled by a higher power? Yes, I know they are trying to be “supportive” of their puppet police force and manipulated investigators and judges. Is there fear on that island?
pktbk
Remember the process. First 48 hrs, then yoy go before the judge to request subsequent detentions of 8 additional days, BUT the state’s attorneys must present additional evidence each time. So, If they left Paul go, they didn’t have evidence that wold warrant keeping him for an additional 8 days.
this is just so frustrating. i can’t imagine how mrs. twitty feels. i bet she’s about ready to hang some people herself.
To concern who wrote:Yes, Natalee could be anyone’s child— those who are parents or who care for children understand what this means.
**Yes, tell this especially to the parents who also lost a child in the same way and never did have the opportuinity N. is having. Media coverage, sympathy of whole America and other countries that follow the news, a specialist recovery team searching all the island, a whole community (Arubians) searching for her, a police team working under pressure to solve the case as soon as possible etc. etc.
And I do have childeren I’m a mother and do at least understand the fear of lossing one of my children without knowing what that is. That is my worst nightmare, I believe of every parent. And want to make one thing clear I really grant the Holloway’s this kind of attention for their situation, but still it is not fair. And that is a fact.
In the paradise of Aruba where there simply is no crime, why did a man become decapitated in the midst of all of this? Is it truly reported that his wife got him with a shovel for cheating? So….she slit his throat and pulled his tongue through the incision? Isn’t that code for, “Don’t talk”? Maybe everyone here needs to stop talking and start thinking. Follow the money.
I was gone for the weekend and just caught up reading all the jiberish that Shangoo, SImian and the rest posted last night. It is king of creepy, but now what Checkme had been saying all along makes more sense. That the parents knew more and that perhaps on TV they were acting-up, not to divulge what was going on.
If he left her on the beach it was probably because she was incapacitated. Especially if they just had a make-out session and, “something bad happened” (i.e., rape, drugs, etc.). It looks like the Twitty-Holloway family will have to take matters into their own hands if they want justice.
When this is all over, there is a high likelihood that Natalee will not be found (dead or alive). And how in the world do you deal with that, especially since the evidence seems to indicate that the boys know something? That’s a bitter pill to swallow.
Simian – do you live on the island? Any new updates this morning?
looking very affected on tv. they all did. i haven’t seen nat’s parents since friday, but i have heard they appear very sad.
sol-i think with the dutch law having no plea bargains or any bargaining tools for interrogations, i doubt they will ever talk. someone said last night that maybe they let croes out so they can follow him. but i’m sure in the back of his mind, he must know they will. this may just end up an unsolved case for the simple fact they can’t find her.
pktbk
Sad because they let the arrestees go, or because of the yet unsuccessful results?????
Which network were they on?? Fox or CNN?
i think sad because of both. they were told progress was being made time and time again. now this. it’s like a punch in the stomach to them. probably fox. greta has reigned supreme on this one!
pktbk
But a lot more was said last night. This whole thing about Natalee being held by the guy she was with the first three nights and everybody knowing about it, because she is seen on tape with him at the kaseeno and all, and the authorities and every one knowing about it, but the guy supossedly has an “airtight alibi” that has not been broken. This is really terrible.
To me the worst part that was said, is that someone would be sacrificed to please the Americans, because the authorities would not want to open the box because of what would hang out.
pktbk
I’ll read the transcripts. They don’t have Foxnews here …
lucy-there’s another guy altogether?
Checkme
Much better? I’ve been looking for you since last night, but no luck. Hope you show up soon.
Lest we forget, when Paulis was arrested, BH said that she expected there to be more arrests soon. Didn’t she say 8 or 9? This is bigger than a 17 year old’s lies. Also, Paulis was under intense pressure, trying to get the job he wanted or sensing that he was unemployed. Money? Gambling? This is about money. I don’t think it is so simple as Paulis is only guilty of being unable to say “no” to his son.
Does anyone know anything about the Blue Van with speakers?
Inteview with Prime Minister should shed some light on why Paulus was released. He states how surprised he was that he was arrested and how VDS was once his daughters school teacher. Next day he is out of the joint. It’s who you know.
That a man got decapitated in the midst of this is just bad timing. However, that is the kind of rare crime we experience on Aruba. Crimes of passion. Girlfriend waited for him and attacked him from behind.
She was heard and let go. Arrested a week later. There is a body. There is a crime. There is evidence. There is motive.
The “innocent” DJ is very guilty of obstructing justice. What was his motivation? I would not go to the police and lie for a friend, espcecially when the result would be days of a wild goose chase, lost evidence and two suspects wrongfully accused. This is clandestine.
There does seem to be money involved. I have read that the father (or someone using his ATM card) made at least 2 cash withdrawals on the night NH went missing, @ 3am and 3.45am. There could be more than one reason he would do this, but it does suggest pay-off of some sort, in two pieces, part payment for something in advance and balance on completion of transaction.
I have also seen reference to the alleged fact that a fisherman’s hut was broken into and some anchors stolen from it.
A majority of people are, quite rightly under the circumstances, assuming the worst, but there are also comments floating around relating to circumstances that suggest NH is being held alive against her will somewhere and these seem to some degree to be plausible
As Ms. VDS said, this is about politics and economics.
Good morning all
pktbk
So it seems. This is the guy that Simian called suspect #5 a few days ago. I think it is on threat #1171. That is where he talks about a guy that was with Natalee for three days, they were at the kaseenos and it is caught on tape. Supposedly the 4th night, they were all together again at some hedonistic party. Theoretically, somebody escorted Joran and Natalee to this party at some “house of pleasure, vice and corrption” , where #5 confronted Joran, full of jealousy. Somebody took Joran home (don’t know who), and Natalee stayed with #5. Then, some authority figure knows that this guy kept Natalee, but the guy has a whole bunch of friends saying that he had a party at his home (that is his “airtight alibi” and supossedly, the only person that could break this alibi is “Dirty Hand” , which is some authority figure that does not want to open a pandora’s box, and perhaps is willing to sacrifice a scapegoat or something.
Complicated hum?????
Hi Yliana. Glad you are back.
Well done Lucy!!
how do i find thread #1171. I was following Simean’s code last night. He is confusing, but he knows something we don’t.
Copy the url from this one into a new browser then change the p=1191 reference at the end of it to p=1171, then hit Go
thanks
This whole saga continues with new twists and turns that will keep our head spinning. The release of elder vdS is definitely a major event.
Many are shouting out foul play and money and politics. Let’s be honest. You’ve all seen the images of his house – not that big right. His cars, not really the best makes. Judges here make more than average but by no means like a judge in the US would make. Let’s keep this in proportion.
Elder vdS also waived his right to refuse to testify against his son. This says a lot. So basically, he’s cooperating more than he is legally allowed.
Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence.
The cowboys are looking everywhere, but the land and waters hold many secrets. The Babylonians need to keep an eye on the cowboys. The process muct be protected.
The ravers need to be pinched.
Is this case going anywhere?
Under our legal system, as an attorney pointed out on tv last night, that the term ‘suspect’ is a very broad term. Basically anyone remotely involved could be considered a suspect.
So, who all here thinks there’s a cover-up in the making . . . ?
Sim – I have to be honest I don’t think the aruban authorities have a clue.
Peter, I am down to a few options, the arubans don’t have a clue, the arubans know all, or there is coverup involved.
Yliana
I guess if they let him go so soon, they must not have any evidence indicating that he is involved.
if money is involved, it’s not vds having so much he could pay his way out of this. i think it’s money owed. he can’t get them what he owes if he’s in jail. but knowing people higher up is his out of jail free card everytime.
Peter, I don’t think there is a cover up here. I think there is nothing to go on. The executive and judicial branches of government are very separate. And it’s not like anyone is covering their own here because Joran is not Aruban.
pktbk – this is the last eight day cyle for the boys, I am thinking they will most likely be let out next Monday – I don’t think they have anything these guys.
Yilana – whether Joran is true Aruban or not, a murder is not good for Aruba.
crs-i was just thinking, like a couple have mentioned. there is no evidence here. it’s all finger pointing and changing stories of what happened. you can’t try and convict someone on that. unless the equu boys and girls find something soon, they just might walk.
Nice synopsis, Lucy. Thing is, if #5 is on video with natalee, why did her mother not suspect him? Who is willing and able to pinch the ravers?
I hate to say this but I think the parents really botched this case, they have keyed so much on these boys that other possibilities were never explored, NH’s family is not law enforcement.
pkbtk – knowing anyone higher up does not mean jail free card. It does not work that way. You can’t just dismiss a case because someone says so! At least not in our system.
I’m with you crs
Simian
The ravers must be pinched. But how can they be pinched?/? All the posters from Aruba point to the ravers, if the ravers related to “suspect #5″, the blue van, van Rijn, Maxito, and/or the guy with the air tight alibi, etc.
So, if “Dirty Hand” can not pinch them because of the Natalee affair, why don’t they get busted and pinch them while in jail????
yliana….that may not be how the system works, but it happens. not saying that is exactly what happened, that was just me talking, but it is a possibility.
crs-it was good for them to be there because it got the world involved, but i hope it didn’t mess it up totally. i was talking to a friend yesterday. that if the media hadn’t gotten involved, who’s to say that the security guards wouldn’t have been sent away for this crime. they had supposed eye witnesses.
crs
It is’nt really the whole family, because I believe Beth has a genuine motive to keep pressing and to keep everyone interested in the case. But Jug? this guy is really something!!!! It doesn’t cease to amaze me that when ever he is on camera, he just talks about himself and all he’s been doing. He really loves the limelight.
Simeon,
Is “across the pond” the Dutch?
Crs – of course a murder is not good for Aruba. It is definitely something that we still hope is not the case. But I was referring to pb’s insinuation that there is a cover up. It is not the government that is running this case – it’s the prosecutor’s office. The prosecutor’s office has nothing to gain by covering something up. The govt cannot interfere here! And it is the govt that is fearful of the outcome.
CRS- I think the case was botched when they let the 3 suspects go giving them plenty of time to get rid of forensic evidence in the car, and to colloborate their stories. First 48 Hours are crucial, and they blew it.
Mentions of the cowboys are the americans I guess, but who, FBI, search team, family. I guess I just find it hard to believe that there are not other US authorities possibly looking into all of this inner workings without anyone knowing. To sacrafice someone so that some huge internal plot is not uncovered would be somewhat transparent to the US and not be accepted.
Can someone post their thoughts on the code?
Cowboys=Americans
Babylonians=???
pktbk – the media has been good and bad, on the good side it has brought attention to the case but on the bad side everyone just jumped on this it must be Joran and the Kalpoes bandwagon and no other theories or ideas were developed and the media and Holloways are partially to blame, if this is a coverup or atleast an attempt ont to truly investigate this case, this approach has played right into the arubans hands. I don’t believe a 17 yr. old boy could go three weeks of intense interrogation and not confess.
Now my comments are being moderated. NO wonder Simeon speaks in code.
Apparently we aren’t allowed to make reference to Kuh$eenoos or a bigger scandal and cover up?
Lucy – I totally agree on Jug, that guy is a total buffoon.
The govenment can’t influence the prosecutr’s office with favors, bribes, or threats?
so let me get this straight? youre blaming natalees family for putting too much emphasis on the 3 suspects??/ all they have ever said was…and quite rightly so..these boys hold the key to knowing what happened to natalee..none of this Babylonian gobbeldy gook can take away from teh fcat that those boys were last seen with natalee….so if they arent talking to authorities…they are protecting someone else…if not themselves…
talk about grasping at straws and deflecting attention and blame…nuts!
Simian
Is Dirty Hand the only potential raver pincher????
crs-him not confessing yet would be easy since there really isn’t a whole lot the police can bribe him with. now if he knows the people that did do this would kill him as soon as he’s out, he’s not going to talk. but we’ll probably see the outcome of that if the judge does decide he has nothing to hold them in there.
jacq – I agree that the first 48 are prime time for collecting evidence but I don’t believe a 17 yr. old could go three weeks with intense interrogation and not break which leads me to the conclusion someone else did this.
And how IS this affecting tourism to Aruba?
lisa – yes, I believe the parents to be a huge part of the problem.
that moderated word is too much like a common pop up. that might be why.
And people remember, our legal system is probably stricter in the sense that you can remain in detention by mere suspicion alone. If SC and elder PvdS have been released … this is big. You can’t continue to hold someone if you don’t even have a minimal amount of probable cause! If this were the US, not one of the suspects would still be detained simply because the police has not been able to find enough evidence to support their suspicions
This is my comment that is being “moderated”.
tmag Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 27th, 2005 at 8:27 am
Perhaps Paulis was only brought in for the “authorities” who have been involved in the cover up to “get the stories straight” for the bigger cover up. I think there are higher powers involved. Follow the money…..casinos, gambling debts, powerful people, who owns the Aruban media, who owns the casinos, etc. Lest we forget the first 8-10 days of the investigation?????? Has anyone noticed how the Aruban people, when interviewed, all the way from the Justice Dept. to the reporters seem to be muffled by a higher power? Yes, I know they are trying to be “supportive” of their puppet police force and manipulated investigators and judges. Is there fear on that island?
Jacqueline:
I agree with you about allowing the 3 suspects to go free in the very beginning. This caused major problems for this case. The Kalpoe’s mother has admitted the 3 had a meeting the day after Natalie was reported missing to “get their story straight”. Mother Kalpoe has also helped with a timeline of when her son’s arrived home and according to her it was before 3:30 a.m.
Big Papa
Aenim implied last night that they are citizens from the motherland.
does anyone know about the package from the hague? did anything come of that?
Did anyone catch the interview last night with jorans parents???? the mother made a comment that made me sick to my stomach
I looked for the transcript to properly quote her but its as if it dissappeared.
she said something along the lines of : Joran told me if Natalee is in hiding and comes foward he will beat the crap out of her for his arrest > or something like that: did anyone else catch that???
AGAIN this may not be exactly what she said , i couldnt find the transcript
Jenn
Good morning..
If I am not mistaken, what I am getting from Simians posts there is some type of cover up. whether it be higher ups or ravers. Somewhere I think there are other high ranking officials involved. Possibly letting things go on and turning the head to it
Yliana
What do you think of Simian’s raver and pinch theory????
Simian
Is the other side of the pond a local pond, or “el otro lado del charco”?????
I am confused as to why some of you are now thinking that dutch boy is innocent and a scape goat just because a few other suspects were released this weekend. I agree the evidence so far is lean and won’t stand up in court at this point. However, putting what will stand up in a court of law aside, lets get back to logic.
1. Joran has not only changed his story once but several times. That is a major red flag. What is the motivation?
2. Joran’s two buddies now admit to agreeing on that made up story to “protect Joran”. Protect him from what? If he is innocent why does he need protecting?
3. Joran supposedly left her on the beach alone at the wee hours of the morning. Cmon. What guy would do that?
4. Lucy – Do you really thin that Joran would leave her with his competition alone on the beach then lie his butt off to cover up for the guy?
This is not about imperialistic Americans forcing the Aruban goverment to hang somebody just to get our revenge. This is about a guy who made up a story with his friends, got caught in his lies, made up another story, got caught in his lies again, and now has a story that is unbelievable. Anybody that thinks he isn’t at least an accomplice in this tragedy go soak your head in Aruba at high tide.
Lets not let the politics and emotions cloud our ability to think and rationalize.
I just hope the search teams find something or that soneone cracks soon. Otherwise, I am afraid the case is getting cold and some people are literally going to get away with murder.
Moring all!!
How was everyone’s weekends? What’s new–anything?
if this other boy Natalee spenttime with exists..im sure the “thorough “investigative team in aruba have explored it??? riiiiiiight? If the Holloways were controlling the police investigation..i must be on a different planet..cuz from what i have deduced…they have been reduced /forced to bringing in media and making noise..to get their daughter the fair and comprehensive police attention she deserves..the point was the opposite…tehy were left in the darka nd watched critical witnesses and evidence be carelessly impaired!
Based on what I saw last night, Joran called Deepak at 2:40 am, saying he was walking home and text messaged at 3:20 to say he was home. And he was in school the next morning, this has now been confirmed. This is a short time frame for a crime.
crs–top of the morning. What did you see that on?
crs….are you for real??? natalees family is in no way to blame for the aurban gvt ‘s shabby police work….you are a piece of work….
YOU CAN LIE IN A TEXT MESSAGE. JUST BECAUSE YOUR TEXTING IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.
Hey Kris, good morning to you as well, I saw that on fox last night, the traced back cell phone records.
Yliana- and if this was the US the car would have been searched for evidence right away. Now all evidence is lost, and yes, as long as the 3 keep lying it will be very tough to find out what happened. But common sense tells you that they know what happened, or the stories would not keep changing.
This home cooking stinks. The authorities are in the back pocket of the money folks. Everybody has something on everybody.
Did they say anything about a call to Joran’s father?
17 year od boys don’t text message their friends to let them know they are safely home.
Lisa – Jug and his hick friends came in like the keystone cops and came up with conclusions in two minutes and most likely these conclusions were incorrect. Read the posts from Sim and others on Aruba…..they do not think these three did it.
well Joran and those boys have been detained yet again….so teh fact of the matter is there is enough evidence to hold them…lying to authorities about the disappearance of a girl they were last seen with….did they really thinktheyd get awya with it? and aksing croes to come and vouch for them..thats pretty criminal minded in my book
According to the phone records, no call to Joran’s father.
Mark 2
Not alone at the beach, but a party where her previous friend was and became jealous when he saw her with Joran. Supossedly, they were scorted into the party by some party involved, and Joran was escorted back home and Natalee stayed. Supossedly, Joran is scareds–t of these people, and also scared of the embarrassment that would represent admission to being in this type of party, where “sensualities, vice and corrption” prevailed.
They were the last seen with Natalee. Where else were the Twitty’s supposed to look?
tmag–unless you are trying to establish an alibi
HMMM–didn’t someone at somepoint say that he called his dad to pick him up?
If it were my daughter I would go in demanding answers right then also. Joran was the last to be seen with her… That is enough to draw conclusions with…Simian and shango and all the others never said in their cryptic messages that Joran was innocent.
tmag, I agree the boys should be questioned, no doubt, but be open to other possiblities, it is very odd, that if true, Nh was hanging out with someone else for days that this has not been brought up.
In reference to the text message thing, Deepak has been saying this all along. That he received a text message from Joran saying that he was on his way home, and wold call him in a while, but never did.
Have you all thought about the possibility that if NH was hanging with someone else for days, it might not be someone from Aruba? Maybe that is why it was not brought up? This is just a thought – I don’t know if I believe it.
well crs….i think anyone who thinks that Jug or any of natalees family have had any say or weeight whatsoever are saddly misinformed..that is why they have been so desperate to bring in media…after keeping silence for weeks and being left in the dark…remember they are only getting briefings from the police once of twice a day…
crs are you a friend of jorans?
i think simians code is ridiculous…if he has somethingt o say..he should just coem out and say it..if he is involved in case..he should zip it and not further compromise it being here acting like the big man in the know
Kris-my point exactly
Edie-Joran is guilty of something…hence, the lies. BUT there is a whole lot more cover up involved. Those guys were let go to go cover up whatever. The saddest part of this case besides Natalee still missing is that those punks (including the authorities) were going to let 2 innocent guys get nailed with murder or kidnapping.
Good morning…It just amazes me how many people in this case are apparently happy to provide false alibis! Everybody must have their hand in something dirty.
Why havent more psychics come forward. I know they are all over the islands. I have
only seen remarks from one or two.
Trisher- anything is possible at this point. My someone else is more popular than NH. Is that what you are saying?
I think they shold let the Kalpoes go. Unless they are keeping them there to protect them from the ravers.
I think Simeon has to use code to avoid moderation and censorship.
Mark2:
You are on it MAN! I agree with you totally. These 3 punks have lied over and over again. It’s sickening. We should not allow our minds to think it was anybody else but them that have cause NH’s disapperaance.
Psychopaths like Joran have been known to withstand the most severe and brutal interrogations because that kind of suspect begins to believe THEIR OWN LIES!.
Lisabo-I agree with you. They were detained because there was enough evidence to hold them. I mean, lying does indicate some sort of guilt. But not necessarily that they know what happened. It could just mean that they were scared.
Knowning they’re guilty and proving it are two different things…. Joran is smart and arrogant (fingering two innocent guys), I think if they don’t find natalee, he walks
Lisa – you are crazy if you think NH’s family has not directed this case somewhat. Nope, I am not Joran’s friend.
Morning everyone!!! Been outta state since last Thursday evening, so lotsa catching up to do….Looks like no more leads…
***sigh***
Thanks for the email & info, Kris!!!
All is well in Aruba, hotel rooms left vacant by tourists are being rented by rescuers and news orgs….
Morning mom!!
Not a lot of new info, sad to say..
crs – yes, I agree that anything could be possible. I’m suggesting that the someone she was hanging with earlier in the week, if this is the case, could be someone from her own group and that is why it has not been brought up yet. IT IS JUST A THOUGHT.
they were open to possiblities..remember crs..theyswiftly took the 3 boys word and arrested two innocent black security guards who were early on established to have not even been there..tapes that were reviewed did not back up that they dropped natalee at HI…so what should have been the prosecutors next move? hmmmm..let me scratch my head heere a minute??? DUH???
lets cut through the crap….the boys have admitted they were with natalee last they just cant come up with an answer they can all agree on as to where they actually took her….you people are low..blaming the victims family..you should be ashamed…or maybe the aruban law enforcemnt should recruit you….your logic astounds me!
Thanks to Equusearch for their efforts.
I hope the find her for the family.
And if they dont they still deserve alot of recognition.
This whole case has me in knots, i hope this never happens again. Hopefully schools will think twice before organizing drink fest out of the country vaca’s for children who are newly dubbed “adults”
not blaming anyone at the school or anything , i just hope that everyone will take caution from now on
stay safe
jenn
Up to now I cannot see this affecting Arubans. Most sensible Americans will understand the outcome whatever it may be.
First of all it is an isolated incident. Second, everybody is innocent until proven guilty.
Right now, there are no cancellations. Occupancy is high and higher than YTD. I see rental cars everywhere. The beaches are literally full. As a matter of fact I think I can still see tourists buying their disease from the corner of my eye.
CaveCricket,
What I believe Joran’s dozy mother said was, paraphasing now, that “Mom, when this is over and she turns up, I’m going to kick her butt right in front of her mother for what she has done to us.”
Charming.
She bragging about her kid threatening a missing girl. Tough guy. She also said that she had chastized Joran for taking off on a night when he was supposed to stay home and that Joran told his mother that if she had been home that he would never have disobeyed.
So let me get this straight. It’s Joran’s mother’s fault that Joran disobeyed house rules.
Then, she goes onto say that he wouldn’t disobey her “that often”. This lady is a true dipshit and her kid is a true narcissist – It’s always someone else’s fault. It’s Natalee’s fault she’s missing, it’s his mother’s fault he disobeyed house rules. And now she coddles the little prick, when what she ought to do is kick her husband’s ass to get him to convince his delinquent kid to own up.
Personally I think Simian and Shango and whom ever else have really kept us entertained and they have given us something to talk about. But unless they are directly involved I dont see how they can know… What I have gotten from the posts it seems like they know exactly what happened and where the body could be. If this is the case wouldnt the authorities already have checked out all of this?
So, the news reports that PVDS has waived his right and will testify against Joran? Is it because he’s trying to protect his judge-to-be-status, or is it because there is in fact, enough evidence against Joran that there WILL be a trial?
Please elborate, if anyone can.
Not so hard on Jug. I would love to think my kids stepfather would support me the way he supports Natalee’s mother. He did not train to be in this role. If he could have anticipated this exposure, he would have switched to his given name.
COme on Cave – the school did not arrange this trip. Good God, where do you get your info?
Just one more rant before breakfast . . . My impression of the Van Der Sloot family is that they’re disfuntional to say the least. It almost appears that Joran runs the family. And after hearing what his mother so proudly quoted her son as saying about kicking Natalee’s ass, I realized that all three of the Van Der Sloot’s are useless people.
tmag – funny on the given name!! You have to admit he is not the best family spokesperson.
MOM,
I think you are right on. I think that it is a combination of both. There is enough evidence and he is trying to save his own skin. OR the devil’s advocate theory that this was just another attempt to keep the public and/or kidnappers from thinking that the authorities were/are on to them.
Who knows??
Joran is playing his mother!
TO START WITH … EVERY PERSON INVOLVED WITH THIS CASE SHOULD BE CHARGED TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE POSSIBLE WITH ABSTRUCTUION , AND TAMPERING WITH AN INVESTIGATION !!!!!
ANY COMMENTS???
Edie, I agree the mom does seem to live in her world and not reality.
Edie,
Bingo.
CRS, I agree with you on Jug. He comes off as being a real bafoon.
no kididng tmag….i mean to insinuate that teh holloways have malintent is plain stupidity..all they wnat is to know the truth about what happened….and these boys do hold some information they are not giving up….im not assuming their guilt…but liek natalees mom has said…they know something about where natalee went..and tehy need to come forward…if they dont…then it looks very bad on them….the blame should be squarely on them…and no one else…unless they start being truthful… the fact they implicated two innocent black men and got people to make fake alibis…says a heck of a lot….i dont see whats up for discussion there?
jj-wow a bit early for the all caps isn’t it?
On a seperate note, I would agree with you, though not as loudly this early
Do these kids all walk next monday as apparantly the evidence must be exceptional to hold them for the first thirty day period.
Babylonians are not the Dutch, they’re the lawmakers (police, prosecuters etc.) Mostly Dutch.
Keep an eye on the other side of the pond
That’s why I feel there’s a cover up. The old man told his kid to shut up.
Shut up about what?? What did he know??
His Dutch ass shoudl be in jail as we speak, but somebody took favor with the guy, “The Boys Club” and he’s out. And this prick has answers.
Kris-
its the coffee talking
Non- stop lies …. why aren’t these people paying??
Edie, guess I haven’t had enough yet.
Aenim–What is the other side of the pond??
So, in conclusion, according to the House of Spirits theory, the Kalpoes lied to protect Joran. All three mentioned the security guard story, but described the Allegro uniforn and John and Jones were detained.
Joran lied, because he didn’t want anybody to know he had been at this party where Natalee stayed (or was forced to stay) AND did not want anyone to ask hem questions about these guys, because he is afraid of them.
10-4 Kris … just wanted to be seen with that one!
It worked JJ
Urine is definitely guilty of covering something up. His parents are guilty of not saying “no” to their son, Urine. I have seen many American families that seem to operate the same way……where the teenagers are in control. It always makes me uncomfortable because it feels like an accident waiting to happen.
Wielder – you are from Aruba? I was wondering how tourism was doing.
I think most Americans probably feel the same as you. Besides, most probably already had reservations and not really able to back out even if they wanted to. I don’t think tourism will suffer.
PK–are you still here? Did you hear anything from Shock over the weekend?
crs
His brother is named Jar. And Kelly, the USA spokeswoman, is nicknamed Pitcher.
Tourism in Aruba is on a steep decline. Many cancellations! Lets hope this pressures them to do something and do it quick
i am wondering what kind of caring and good hearted person would even consider bashing Natalees family at a time like this …and over superficial things like their names? and the fact they just want their loved one returned….you do this under the flaesness of being someone good? shame shame Grow UP!
JJ m- Unfortunately, that may be all they can be convicted of…
Well said Peter:
I think the Van Der Sloots are totally dysfunctional. Joran raises himself, drinks, gambles. drives and his arrogant and “I’m above the law” attitude totally suck.
This kid thinks he’s untouchable. All of his friends kiss his butt and did anything for Joran! Joran is a bully and he knows exactly where Natalee is.
Boycott Aruba.
kris-nothing
Lucy – Jar and Jug, classic.
A bloody, swollen tongue is better than being a cafone.
And what does a bully need. A total and profound ass whooping.
Something that sticks out in my mind… His mother saying he was a good boy, no drinking , no drugs, but his father knew he was in the kasino (sorry cant use the c because of moderation.)underage gambeling… I bet he was drinking also
The Cowboys among others are on the pond as we speak
Simian- Translation please of your last post?
If they don’t find some serious evidence, these boyz will be released as well, and within two weeks….
Aenim
Is the pond within, acroos the north, or down south???
cafone-
A person who is an embarrassment to himself or others.
Edie, the fact he was in kas and drinking does not make a bad kid, things are different there, but if the dvd rumour is true I would find that very disturbing.
Peter Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 9:57 am
CaveCricket,
What I believe Joran’s dozy mother said was, paraphasing now, that “Mom, when this is over and she turns up, I’m going to kick her butt right in front of her mother for what she has done to us.”
THANKS PETER> I knew i wasnt crazy!!!
Jenn
Hey, From the Heart of Dixie……some of our finest sons have names like Jug, Jar, Bubba, Buddy, Bo (go figure) BUT ……We don’t need names like Joran (pronounced Urine) to have character.
Edie, Hello. Are you still in here? I plan on being in here all day. Is there anyword to why PVDS was released?
Thanks edie,
But Simian, what does that mean?? And what is the other side of the pond?
Where is the blog?
Seedy high-end drug and debauchery sex parties? Attended by maybe gov’t officials and in some cases their sons? A murder solely for jealousy purposes? A scenario playing out in the highest levels of the Aruban gov’t yet completely unknown to the united states authorities?
Is this really what everyone is leaning towards?
I think Joran’s mother has been in the medicine cabinet….
Is Simian here? Does he have any new info from his insider?
crs..heartless and immature..id rather be a jug jar or a pitcher!
Rachael-
You took the weekend off!
big pappy….I am
How do you freekin expect Joran’s mother to feel. She is in the iddle of something she is confused about. Her son and husband are both somehow involved in this case.
Edie, I had so much to do this weekend. But I tuned into Fox whenever I could. I was kinda disapointed that nothing big happened.
Trisher Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:01 am
COme on Cave – the school did not arrange this trip. Good God, where do you get your info?
PLEASE FULLY READ A POST BEFORE REPLYING WITH ATTITUDE:
“not blaming anyone at the school or anything , i just hope that everyone will take caution from now on
stay safe ”
everyone can clearly see in my post that i did not BLAME the school , All I am saying is if you send a bunch of 18 yr olds to Amsterdam , expect that they will smoke pot andy maybe more
Not unless I hear and see differently I cannot say that tourism is in decline. It is low-season and we are doing better than last year. The island will do better by the end of the year. The Americans themselves have too much invested in the island from multi-national hotels, to golf courses, the refinery, Forward Operating Location and one mega pre-clearence for Immigration and Customs. Rationality combined with interest has always been a priority for the Americans. That is why they have been in Aruba since 1929.
North
I know… I kept waiting for something… Shock said somethin big would happen on sat but there is no way he could have known the judge would let them go home.
Released or NOT….I still say Daddy Van Der Sloot in involved in this case RIGHT UP TO HIS RECEEDING HAIRLINE!
Someone please explain to me why we can’t use the proper word for kuh$eeno?
Are we on to something here? Why is any reference taken down?
Aenim
One more question, to confirm. North beyond, or North within???
Within
Aenim–will they find what they are looking for?
It’s funny you cant say Kasino but you can call someone a bitch
Yeah I won’t believe anyones predictions on here anymore. Has Simian released any new info? Why do you think PVDS was released?
lucy,
What does all of that mean? You seem to know, can you explain more?
TMAG-it’s almost a pop up reference.
the cowboys north makes me think of miami. or the actual cowboys-equu-searching the north waters…
i just pray that the Texans find the body and the holloways can take tehir daughter home…with liars like Joran & fam, the Kalpoes and Croes..the sad truth is that there will be no truth….and justice will not be done
I dont think the holloways care as much about who “hangs” for this..as they do just finding their daughter…as a mother myself….of a 17 year old…i can totally empathize…not alot else here matters
I’ll hope she is death, that fucking american whore.
Kill all american
How do you get to the discussion now? Is it down?
PK–but what does the within mean? That she is actually in the water?
The BTK Killer has pleaded guilty. How long has it taken to solve that case? That case includes so many murders. Some are still not resolved.
I don’t have worries if Kaseeno is being moderated, that is popular word that is blocked on sites due to gambling spam etc. Now, if words scandal, cover-up etc were being moderated, I would be concerned.
kill=moron
i do hope they find her. out of all this, that would be the main thing. charging someone would be second since any true evidence is probably long gone in those missing three days.
Simian has kept us guessing all weekend long… But I never got anything frome it. Except baby vds was chewing on his on tongue rather than become an embarassment.
Kill,
You need to go to another blog–RIGHT F’ING NOW!!!
i don’t know what within means. my head is very foggy today. i am still reeling from two key players being let out of the game.
Edie,
An embarassement to who do you think, himself, or his dad?
Kill-
very original!!! HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY COME UP WITH THAT ONE
i have a good question..why isnt Jorans fatehr held responsible for letting his son gamble underage….??? isnt that a crime?
pktbk – they let them go so they can watch them, haven’t you learned anything about how the arubans do things!!
isn’t joran 17? isn’t legal drinking age 18?
lisa,
good question. I had wondered that yesterday as well.
Probably to everyone.. Cafone is what simian called it
Checked several political maps of Aruba, unfortunately, no pond in sight. I guess the scale of the maps is too small.
Kill is Charles Manson. Apparently, Charlie has the freedom to blog now. But he’s no Jesus Christ!!!
crs-that worked for the boys, but these two have to know they will be followed. i’m sure every square inch of their property has been bugged, but i’m sure they know that too.
Mom-
I agree.. MUst be a friend of Joran’s
Kris
My guess is as good as you. I tried to find a map to show me a pond, but did not find it. Maybe we are supposed to be talking about the reservoirs, but do not see them on the map, unless they are close to the town of Noord.
Is Simian still on here? I hope we get a break in the case today, don’t you? I wish they would just find her.
Can someone please update me? What is #5? Is this another change in Joran’s story. This case is driving me crazy! I wish someone down there would just spit out the truth already.
Lucy:
There is a large wetland area just south of Arashi Beach…. the beach that Joran and the Kalpoe’s originally said they took Natalee near Malmok.
when is the last anyone saw of checkme?
Lucy,
Thanks..
Rachael–I hope so too
Edie:
Wait…it could be Osama in disguise. But maybe his towel is too tight??? That, or a Cobra slithered up his ass. Probably liked it, even.
pktbk – i read back and it looks like he was on a little yesterday.
actually i own a ka$eeno here in jamaica and i am surprised how this has not been more seriously addressed…its a serious infringement of law…and the owners of HI should be wary of their gaming license ….if their employees and judges in training are allowing underage gaming…if i were to knowingly allow someone underage to gamble..that would be a serious problem..again reflects the Van der sloots attitude of being “above the law”
PK–I haven’t seen him since last week. Wish he/she and Shock would come back
If anyone has a good link to an aruban topopgraphical map, please let me know …
Joran apparently goes to the casino with he father to gamble. Like I said before the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
CRS:
have you seen anything from MechaGodzilla lately? He’s too fun!
crs-thanks…
pond….have the equu service checked that reservoir? i know the police did, but they didn’t dive.
Thanks Lisabobeesa…..I think there is all kinds of things that go on in Aruba and in the casino that should be checked into. Apparently if you have the right connections……….
Lucy,
Didn’t Simean or someone post a link to a few middle of last week or so? Does anyone remember?
That is one american whore less…….
Now the other 20 million whores.
NEW GIRL – Welcome.
Kris- Hello, I didn’t know you were in here today!
pktbk
Maybe Checkme Checkus every once in a while and doesn’t want to bother, because we have been going around and around. Maybe Aruba is experiencing commontions today and he’s out there. Maybe he’ll show up after lunch, or after tonight’s jog.
Kat – nope on Mecha – i thought maybe he was traveling for his sales job but I have not seen him post since the friday before last. We need someone with soem comedy because the case itself is dead right now.
and the authorities conveniently “looking the other way”
lucy-that’s how i feel. like we are going in circles. everything i say i have said before. lol it’s awful!
Kill needs to chill.
Where’s Jake?
Kill:
You Must be a woman, SOME GOOD OL AMERICAN WOMAN STOLE YOUR MAN! Get over it!
Hello I am new. I am Pookie Pablo.
KatCall,
Around an area called WestPunt (Westpoint????)
Great name Pookie Pablo.
HA HA KATCALL. I agree with you. Kill just needs to get over it. They are probably very heartless, cold and self-centered.
Kill,
You must be a friend of Joran’s.
NO, you american needs to chill.
You all think that your the boss of the world.
But your nothing…….
NEW GIRL in caps is not me
Lucy: Yes that is the area?
Maybe Kill is Urine’s Arubian girlfriend. I have been wondering how she felt about all of this!
boss of the world? what are you? five?
Ignore KNH and he will go away, he obviously needs attention.
crs
I think is because we have been here either actively or passively for many days now. So, new posters are eager for information and have to try the whole menu. Boy, they have it so easy… All the theories in a day ….
Kill is Paul VDS
Rachael–Yeah I’m here, trying to work and keep up again it’s hard.
I was reading over posts from last night. I feel like I missed a ton of stuff.
Yeah were is Jake??
Welcome Pookie
Kris, Yeah I am trying to work too. It is rough cuz whenever I step away from the computer and come back I have missed so much and people don’t want to share the info.
Edie are you working today?
Where’d Pookie go, the name alone has me intrigued, Pookie, what’s your story?
I’ll hope many more american soldiers will be killed in Iraq…….
American’s are losers of the world
Is this person for real?
I was covering the case in Aruba but they fired me
Kill:
America is RICH and SPOILED! Stop being a hater! We love being a rich country and being SPOILED hasn’t ever hurt anyone either!
Furthermore, you MUST BE UGLY!
For who Pookie? What do you know?
Well, I have to go for a while.
Checkme
Will be looking for you. Saludos y carià ±os. See you later.
Is there anyway to get KILL out of this room seriously. Is there a way we can contact Tom and get KILL booted?
Pookie,
Where are you from?
And why (almost afraid to ask) were you fired?
i’m sorry, is there really someone on here who has the name KILL Natalee?
i’m going to get my glasses….
Kill is looking for attnetion. As I said before probably one of Jorans friends. Obviously very uneducated!
Hi kristin,
Yes unfortunately there is. We, collectively are ignoring him.
You american hurt people all over the world. Look at all the wars that you have. Never in your on country. And look at the south off america. And Katcall i’m better looking than you. You fat american bastard
Kill
You are the impostor from the other day, so we are all going to ignore you.
IGNORE HIM EVERYBODY …
“Kill Natalee Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:46 am
I’ll hope many more american soldiers will be killed in Iraq…….
American’s are losers of the world ”
Your mother should have said, “YES” to the abortion.
I was covering for a small dutch colum. I got fired because I was having relations in Aruba.
OK EVERYONE IGNORE KILL DO NOT RESPOND TO HIS MESSAGES MAYBE HE WILL LEAVE IF WE IGNORE HIM
Why is that a problek Pookie,
who cares if you were having relations?
Pookie, good for you on getting lucky in Aruba. What’s the real story in Aruba, did you solve the case?
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters. The dead dogs are stinking.
MOMfromMo. America is the trash off europe. You are all nageboorte…….
MOD’S – PLEASE KICK KILL NATALEE PLEASE
Until then, do not feed the troll, they will go away.
Kill I knew you were a woman! You just showed your cards!
Sims posts crack me up. It is like learning a whole new language and solving a rubiks cube at the same time.
and there won’t be a war on our soil anytime soon, because we will destroy anyone who tries. sorry kill, but we are the SUPERPOWER.
Across the pond usually means the ocean.
I was having relations with a friend of the Der Sloots I met at Carlos and Charlies. I did not solve the case.
Simian:
I assume your vague post means, the Arubians & Equu Team have found dead dogs in the pond? Why not just SAY IT???
Simian,
That is the same water you spoke of before, are we still on track with the blue van? I read some of the posts from last night.
Are PK and I still on the right track with the van, speakers and transport?
One more loser again Rachael……..
Kill-
what do you know, you can’t even speak proper English
Pookie, did you learn anything in Aruba that we don’t know? Was she hot?
kris what did you figure out about the van?
POOKIE–SHARE!! What do you know about the case?
Are you still in Arbua?
Kill what is yoru problem, want to be a drag queen with me?
SUPERPOWER my ass.
Your’re nothing than a bunch off ugly european farmers that we wouldn’t have.
Sim- The key is in the cupcake….The blue shorts are on the flag pole.
I have many dildos I can stick in your ass for you if you would like you horny bastard!
sim-do the dead dogs belong to the half brother?
a random thought – need we not forget the whole amy bradley (sp)? disappearance. granted her familys plight has not recieved nearly the attention this situation has and it should. she is no less important than NH. anyhoo, the point being is that using amy bradley as a barometer for this incident, if one goes missing around south america they are likely to stay missing. it has been over seven years in AB’s case and no one is even close to finding her. it is sad to say, based on all that has been brought to light, it will not be at all suprising that NH stays missing. either this was a well thoughtout crime or just an increditibly random crime whose participants are extremely lucky or well connected (after all thats how the world turns).
Kristin,
Last week sometime, we were throwing out the thought of the blue van being used to transport NH to the kidnappers, either drugged in the large speakers or behind them. Simian kept saying that we were getting close.
I’ll look back and see if I can find the posts.
Het is wel hartstikke leuk hoe jullie amerikanen reageren. Ze hadden jullie bij de geboorte allemaal jullie kop op een stoeprand moeten slaan.
crs – these are nice boys aqlright, they fingered two innocent guys and let them sit in jail for how long?
lepoardqueen can you bring me your dildo’s than???
that’s what i was thinking…about the pond. that’s why when they said north, i thought miami.
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.
Kill, go buy a joint and visit the Red District. Maybe that will calm tou down. If not go shoot some herione.
Poop and eat it the suck my old hairy pussy
How does one “transport to the kidnappers”? I’m confused!!! Wouldn’t that mean that NH would ALREADY be kidnapped??? This case is driving me schitzo!!!
All is well on Aruba, hotel rooms left vacant by tourists are being rented to rescuers and news orgs……
ok so we know that leopard queen is a fake again today
no grandmother would talk like that-sorry
i’m leaving this post, anyone want to join me?
I don’t need to go to the red light district because i have an american whore at home. Named Nathalee.
Buyme you are white trash that have to be killed also
Maybe dead dogs are the Cadaver dogs “stinking may mean they have found something decomposing and stinking. Dirty waters are marshes and wetlands.
Who were the gambelers? jvds pvds?
Sim, so they are full on searching, and they have a larger hit in the water? All along Joran was a psycho dog killer and he stepped it up this time?
Jacqueline, no, the cupcake is in the blue shorts, the flag pole IS the key. Hope that clears it up
I’ll join you Kristin. Where are you going?
lepoardqueen, are yoy allready old. So i want have to kill you.
ARUBA MAP on NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC:
http://mapmachine.nationalgeographic.com/mapmachine/viewandcustomize.html?themeId=100&ext=-70.059662,12.41111,-69.874863,12.627776
we can go to the scared monkeys chat rooms…it’s easier than putting up with this crap
Kristin, I’ll move to another post.
Katcall & Edie, Both posts are very insightful!
Cowboys’ steel wire are screaming is THE SONAR THEY ARE USING!
what is with all the crap in this room this morning?
Crap is the name off all american people……
Simian
If there is light on the screen who goes??/ #5 or #1. I am still confused.
are we moving to another post. Edie and Kris ar eyou going?
Where is the chat? Does anyone have a link?
lucy-i thought the light was going to be on the sonar?
Rachael where are you going?
Simian
I know you don’t like to answer questions, but, una concesià ³n chico …
SHUT UP KILL YOU ARE PROBABLY AN AMERICAN WHO IS LOOKING FOR ATTENTION.
The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water. Look for Noord and look for Moko.
The cowboys feet are wet. They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out.
pktbk
Yes, the sonar, but what I am referring is to the Babylonians being right, and the gamblers theory proven correct, so If this is the case (which I do not know the details) I will like to know if # 1 or #5 will fall.
PLEASE IGNORE KILL! Everyone, Kills posts are not worth reading furthermore, Kill doesn’t speak very good english!
Kill
You are no Dutch man . You sound more like an alcoholic, unemployed hick who got a computer with his welfare check.
Boy I see we have another pyshco here today..and they wonder why Americans start war its to get rid of F#$%s like them
Can Tom set us up a new chat? Can anyone ask him?
killnatalee has issues, is blinded by prejudice, and wants to explode the anger here. This is not the place. Sit down with a therapist or clergy. I wish you well.
Kill
Believe me, I am not ugly, but you are and so is your Mama.
Kill why are you so angry?
lucy-gotcha!
how long before this gets on the news so we can actually see?! argh!
We should ignore killnatalee.
ROLFMAO @ Lucy
Hee hee hee
At first this site was a welcome sorce of hope and information for finding Natalee. But now it has degenerated down to worthless dribble. Some of you guys sound like you’re totally nuts and not too far from being committed. If you can’t add anything productive or if you’re not seeking solace, then please find another site to haunt.
Kill has very bad issues someone needs to ping his computer find out where he/she is and send someone to either put him/her in the pretty white coat or the big black long car with double doors in the back
Fine I am looking for attention. I am an American loser. I am gay, homosexual, faggest who likes to have sex with animals!
I don’t know. That is why I wish Simian would make a tiny, once in a lifetime concession (although he did make an exception last night) and answers a question.
If he doesn’t,m maybe we can get some help from Aenim, she is a little more direct, although scarse with her words.
flushes “KILL” down the commode with the rest of his little ‘brown friends’.
Ignore the troll, folks. Just like a bad rash, if you don’t itch it, it will GO AWAY.
Stop scratching!!!!
Ha Ha the truth about Kill comes out. He is a loser!
Hi everyone! Hope you all had a great weekend! I see leopard queen is still an imposter.
Kill-are you for real???
Kill
had you pegged for that exactly
lucy-i’m so impatient today! lol i can’t expect to get front line information when i’m not involved, but i want it just the same!
Kill is gone, for now, sorry about that but these comments are not moderated like our forum. We will do our best but keeping ahead of trolls is a full time position at volunteer pay.
tom
Well, I am definetly going for now. See u’all (in Southern) later.
I just got out of the mental hospital and I haven’t taken my medication yet today. I am very anal, opps that is what happened to me last night too.
Lucy has Sim been on today?
Thanks TOM!
Jake, the board has really taken a step back today.
Yeah hopefulyl things will get better in here
thanks Tom!
Hi Jake! We’re hoping to get in on a better blog. Posters are leaving…This one has been recently ‘tainted’ with pond scum…as you may have noticed.
We’re trying to ‘flush’ it away, though
CRS lets get this board off into the right direction now!
Thanx Tom!!!
oh my
thank you tom…that was annoying.
So! Back to the issue!!! Has anyone heard updates on the Equu Search???
Back to topic. Does anyone have anything new to report on the investigation?
Rachael – unfortuantly, there is just not any news, I think Sim has some good thoughts but without knowing more about the people he speaks of it is hard to talk abouth them and specualte.
Hey Jake any new info today?
Disregard what I say, I am gay and do not know any better.
We need to focus on supporting the efforts to find Natalee. Be postive . Any of us would help in any possible way for any missing child. The technology today and the media exposure makes the world so small. Answers and possibly more questions will come sooner than they would have 10 years ago. Keep the faith and always hope.
MY FRIENDS!!!! I missed you all this weekend! I’m trying to go back and read the posts..
I saw Geraldo last night on FOX. What a tan!!!! What does everyone think about the new developments yesterday?
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaà ±a. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots.
The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce. Hang on to your tubes.
The Simian doesn’t want to be right.
I was very disappointed that pvds was released. It seems like this case is going no where.
jake-shock and disgust.
I though Kill Natalee was gone Tom?
Jake, I do not know of any new developments. I was gone all weekend too.
Usually new news means the “calm before the storm”. We’ll be hearing something big soon.
I got the feeling last night that this investigation took 2 steps back, and that if the
Equu Search team doesn’t find Natalee soon, ALL 3 suspects remaining will walk.
Do you think Natalee is in the water, if she is I head they could possibly never find her
I think if the investigators don’t find some evidence (obviously guys who fingered 2 innocent guys for the crime and have’nt confessed after weeks of interogation aren’t likely to.) these boyz walk within 2 weeks…
I hope we get some vital info. I hope the cowboys find something…
Kat – How do you knwo something will happen soon?
jake, i agree, unless something happens now, next Monday they all walk.
Simian:
Are we in for some big news, or yet another ‘prophetic’ opinion?? I don’t mean to be sarcastic, but this is getting boring, if that’s the case.
Her decapitated body to be found.
Her head to wash up on shore later.
I am assuming that may not be the real Sim.
We will disregard you from now on. You may hate Americans, but you can bet it will be a cold day in hell before anyone from this wealthy American community spends another dime in Aruba unless justice is done for Natalee. Think there aren’t other places to go and see? Paradise my ass. It’s a living hell, especially if it produces lying murderers and others like “Kill”.
Sim-what’s up with you today?
Country Moon – Are you here? What was your reaction to the release of Joran’s father?
Nevermind he just confirmed. That is the real Sim.
Simian when will she wash up on shore. Simian are you saying you forsurely know she is dead?
No, I don’t think it is the real sim…
Why does anyone want to be the Simian’s doppelganger. The Simian finds that to be counter productive.
Sorry. The Simian is leaving.
Read Simian last post. Maybe big news on the horizon!
I think it might have been a good idea to let Pvds and Croes go if they didn’t really have enough evidence to hold them. Then you have to look at they must have alot more to hold Jvds on than just lieing because they released Pvds and Croes and they had done the same (lie that is). I think this thing is much deeper than it seems and there are people invovled that can cause serious harm to all involved. That is why there are no confessions being made. People are scared to talk
I did not make the last comment – whoever is doing the imposter deal, top and get off the damn board!!
unless there’s evidence to prove foul play, or perhaps if toxicology tests are still viable……..
How would he know her head will wash up on shore?
The 11:37 am post was not Simian, he’s gone now due to imposter.
Take time; be patient. Don’t jump to conclusions. It isn’t over until it’s over. The Holloways and Equus need positive thoughts and prayers.
Kill is one of them Faggot Arabs, escaped from Gitmo
If Simian and Shango have definitive information, as they seem to want to convey; then I find it morally reprehensible that they should choose to play some perverted version of What’s My Line? while a family grieves.
Sick and tired of this ancient European gag-order.
Tell the world what you know – let’s get Natalee found – get this thing closed.
Acquited or convicted this kid’s life is ruined in or out of jail.
Stop the tap-dancing. Get the key, open the gate, release the Kracken whatever…
priorities!! let’s find Natalee and worry about how to punish the guilty later…shouldn’t be hard once the Babylonians are exposed.
What I don’t understand now is that if Joran acted alone (which is what it now seems like). How far could he have actually taken the body of Natalee, if in fact she is dead.
Unless the Kalpoe brothers helped him the next day dispose of the body..what are your thoughts?
how do we contact tom and red? i can’t deal with imposter day again today. it’s too confusing and a waste of time.
Racheal:
I know this search team and I personally know the cadaver dogs they are using. They are THEE BEST IN THE WORLD. They come from the US MILITARY SPECIAL CANINE FORCES. Natalee will be found that you can be sure of!
I am sick of Simian not telling us the truth
Kat good to hear, keep me posted. Do you think she is deseased?
did any have access to a boat that evening?
Joran is innocent. I know that personally. When he is cleared and free I am going to fly out to Aruba and have mad sex with him!
mike1-the tattoo staff won’t release the log information to know who had the boat out that night. they just say that they are off on sundays.
Has anyone seen BHT lately? I haven’t seen her appear on tv lately.
I have not left. I do not want to be copied however and would like to stay and speak.
Jake, case is very, very confusing, I tend to think while the three may have info, I do not think they are the main party responsible. I think there is an individual “X” out there that we have not heard about.
Just on the news on Aruba radio: concentration of Equuserach around a “dam” (a sort large hole that is dug in the ground that keeps the water when it rains). This is in an area by the house of Joran van der Sloot. The police is also there.
Katcall I believe you’re mistaken, these are all volunteers. The military has little interest finding cadavers…….(nor do they use border collies…)
Then he can kill me too just like he did NH. Whoohoo!!
Decapitate body??? This is not something that I find funny, if it’s not really confirmed. My God!!! Don’t let this be true!
SImian stay and speak don’t let them bother you contact Tom.
Sim stay!! Don’t go. Ignore the imposter!
I don’t think Jordan acted alone and I am not so sure they were on the beach. I am beginning to think they went somewhere else where this “bad thing” took place and maybe others were also involved. I also think the security guards were involved just to buy time to get all the alibis and stories straight and that one lie after another is used to confuse and throw off the investigation…the longer the time line the less evidence that is left around. And what good will come to Aruba if this case is solved?Especially if theres alot more shit that will start stinking if the REAL truth comes out. If its not solved it benefitst them much much more.
Racheal – i think she needed to get out of the spotlight for a few days and she let the aunt handle things.
use of the Tatoo would implicate Croes, and he wouldn’t have been released..
I leave now. The island is stiring.
Mike some of the cadaver dogs come from Lackland Air Force Base! I wouldn’t make up anything!
The military uses their dogs for many, many purposes!
Rachel, I think she is heartbroken over something the authorities have told her and feels she is no longer searching for her daughter to be alive.
Simian, honey…don’t leave b/c of this jerk….Escribelo en espanol….and then I will translate for the rest….or Lucy can help me…
crs-I don’t think there is a person X. I think because of political reasons, they are all going to walk, and that sucks! No body, no evidence, no crime!!! I pray they find Natalee soon!
Just think, if all these people walk, the message that Aruba will be giving the future tourist is, “There is someone lose in Aruba that takes young women and makes them disappear”.
Hang tight folks, if Sim says the island is stirring, and I think that last post was probably him and not the imposter, things will be happening soon I bet.
Facts, they are searching the dam, news about that now I think, and insiders are saying “the dogs paws stink” or something like that.
Either way, things are starting to go down I bet.
http://www.arubahotels.info/map-aruba.htm
Ally-i speak Spanish as well. Let me know if I can help!!
jake – you could be right. This case has definatly lost momentum and I think there american media will start to move on, you can’t talk about the same thing day after day.
i have watched stories in other countries, like mexico, where something happens to tourists and the cases don’t get solved. people still go there. i think we all have a this can’t happen to me attitude about things, and that’s what keeps people from being so scared. that and do you want those people to win? do you want to live in fear or live life?
Sim:
I ain’t beggin. C-ya!!
I wish we would get some breaking news………….
CRS—lately, i think that checkme’s initial posts were accurate…there is definitely a mastermind to all of this who has not even been implicated….they haven’t talked b/c their fear of “whoever” is far worse than their trepidation of this other person….
crs-unless new stuff comes up. if they walk, then everyone disperses. then every now and then we may hear something. we just have to hope that in the next few days they put the heat on (meaning the police) to get this thing done. they have to find something, have to!
KatCall, believe me, they’re not military dogs. maybe the military provided transport. The military doesn’t have cadaver dogs.
IS this true or rumour… Did they really find a decapitated body of a man who worked at the Holiday Inn?
Thanks Jake—b/c i understand it far better than I write it…..the real sim knows spanish, the imposter doesn’t
Mike 1:
Eqqusearch is made up of paid employees and volunteers. The dogs are german shepherds and blood hounds. NOT BORDER COLLIES! Thank you.
Ally – And that could explain Joran’s odd original comment to Beth “What do you want me to do”, maybe Joran too feels helpless.
where did you hear this edie?
WOW, I went back to read some posts, and leopard queen got a bit nasty!!!!
why would Joran feel helpless
They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one. I said this was to happen. You can praise The Simian later.
Simian is a douchebag – anybody impressed w/his ramblings should join a cult if you’re that insecure, needy and easily swayed
He should get a (normal) brain, then get a real job, than a life in that order.
I vote (if they remove anybody) they remove the impostor,Simian and all of Simians cult followers.
yeeeee haaaahhh
If there is a scapegoat, but the pieces don’t fit, this won’t end for us, I believe that. I think cover up, murder, kidnapping, whatever, Aruba will suffer terribly. If they come out and say “we’ve figured it out, it was Joran, he killed her and dumped her in the ocean at the lighthouse without help from anyone, he is going to prison” it will not end there, anyone agree that unless the details of the investigation (of which we really have NONE) are released in full and they are thorough and make sense that Americans and the family are not going to buy that this is the story.
Kris, where are you?
Alive or Dead?
Ally, gracias…hay un tipo que me esta haciendo mofa. Me cansa y confunde aun mas a los otros.
I have the news on. NO BREAKING NEWS? NOT YET
Racheal, if for example, Joran was scared of someone and could not say anything for fear of reprisal.
I have not seen anything on the news.
Ally what did he say?
Is that the real Simian or an inposter trying to get our hopes up? JAKE please let us know.
Pray for Natalee, her family and friends. Pray for her school and community.
My mother said she read it somewhere. That they found the mans body on the beach… She said she did not know if it was true or not.
The reason why none of the boys are talking, is because plea bargains do not exist in Aruba, therefore, nobody can cut a deal! Why would anyone talk, if they will get nothing in return!!
Sim says that the imposter is driving him nuts, and is confusing him!
Ally ellos han encontrado su cuerpo. Mire las noticias para mà ¡s informacià ³n en esto.
Did they really find her, or was that an imposter?
I think so, CRS. I have a lot of theories ,some that I think if I posted, I would be condemned and I am far too busy to defend ideas that aren’t supported by facts… Born to Be Wild…..I would venture to guess that the majority of the posters would rather see u go….It appears to me that you are the insecure one, thus demonstrated by YOUR preoccupation with Simion.. Stop reliving your very obvious lonely high school days on this post…I am sorry that u were beat up in high school…..now get over it, or take a valium….
translators…..we neeeeed yoooooooou!
edie-Natalee is a woman. If they found a mans body, then it can’t be her. I am watching the news right now, and they are talking about the case, but they are still discussing the release of the father and dj.
Sim, thank you. You have been great.
Just ignore b2bw, he’s an idiot.
Translation – they have found their body watch the news
HE said that they found the body………
Sim said: THEY FOUND HER BODY!!
RIGHT ON ALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, I know Natalee is a woman. I am talking about something else
pk – jake translated it.
Edie was talking about someoe else the guy that supposedly was found headless on teh beach
ok so she has not been found. Is there someplace us regulars can go to get away from these imposters? Does anyone has AIM we can set up a chat room or something. I am sick of all this flase info.
They found her body?
This imposter shit is annoying!
In English:
Ally they have found their body. Watch the news for more information in this.
Ally, you are hilarious!!!
Los vaqueros tienen los pies profudamente en esa agua sucia. Estan seguro de sus maquinas. Babylonicos estan allà para recojer si es necesario. Desde Montaà ±a a Moko no es mucho caminar.
Este mono esta contectado con las ondas de micro. Los buitres ya llegaron para comer de la angustà a. Ya se bajo el pajarito del cable. Hay que esperar un poco para que se deje saber porque bota a sus perros muertos alli.
he said to keep watching the news, and that he apologizes for the confusion , but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found
OK HAVE THEY FOUND HER BODY OR NOT? I AM NOT BY A TV PLEASE TELL ME!
start translating 12:11 post.
If Sim says they found her body then they probably did. I doubt it will be immediately on the news because they won’t want to corrupt the crime scene or make a spectacle of it. See whether reports start breaking of police tape going up, etc.
It may be that they found her body and sent a diver down to confirm, but have not retrieved her yet. News won’t officially break, I would guess, until she has been recovered and/or identified.
Guys this room is getting full, there has been a new post created got to http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments maybe we wont get too many impersonators
Rachael – I am not seeing anything.
the suspense is killing me! i am flipping through all the news sites.
did you go to that site?
thanks—Jake—translate that one—-it’s a doozie…very cryptic…thank u SIMIAN————I LOVE UUU
With the latest turn of events yesterday, this is food for thought:
1. What is Joran & the 2 brothers are Innocent?
2. What if Joran and NH parted at the beach to go their different ways?
We need to go back to the basics since the original thought of these 3 being guilty is taking the authorities nowhere. Mybe they are after the wrong guys, after all !!
Katcall. There are some border collies — watch the news. I served in the military and KNOW the military does not have cadaver dogs. You may confirm the ststus of these dogs at http://www.texasequusearch.org Or google news arua equusearch dogs — Three dogs, with handlers/ volunteers
No Breaking news. WOW Sim, that is going to be really hard to translate. Ally can you give me a hand?
Wow! They were near JVDS area. Now that there may be a body, the truth remains to be uncovered.
I have a brother who is a whiz at computers…He can find out who that sicko “KillNatalee” is and have him arrested
Guys go into that site http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments
No hay alivio para los vaqueros. Este mono jamas mencionarà a el sufrimiento de otro con excalmacià ³n. Hay que esperar, porque es muy hancha y muy profundo ese hueco lleno de agua.
El muchacho tiene una historia con esa area. Busca a Aruba y busca Noord, busca Montaà ±a y busc Moko. La posibilidad se hace realidad. Esa es la esperanza.
There are not as many post in this chat http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments it doesn’t take as long to load
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pktbk- No news on the body being found. I think new girl is right. They will not take this to the media right away. We will need to wait. All I see on the news is the release of the father and DJ.
Mike:
How long ago did you serve in the military?
Hyderabad Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:16 pm
With the latest turn of events yesterday, this is food for thought:
1. What is Joran & the 2 brothers are Innocent?
2. What if Joran and NH parted at the beach to go their different ways?
We need to go back to the basics since the original thought of these 3 being guilty is taking the authorities nowhere. Mybe they are after the wrong guys, after all !!
WHAT IF JORAN & THE 2 BROS, JUST CONCOCTED, AND CHANGED THEIR STORIES, JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENTERTAINMENT?
GIMME A BREAK!!!
JAKE AND SIMIAN please join us in http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments PLEASE WE NEED YOU GUSY
One translation of earlier post:
There is no lightening for the cattle tenders. This monkey jamas would mention the suffering of another one with excalmacià ³n. It is necessary to wait for, because hancha is very and very deep that hollow water plenty. The boy has a history with that area. He looks for Aruba and he looks for Noord, he looks for Mountain and busc Moko. The possibility becomes reality. That is the hope.
okay—i am doing it—give me a minute b/c i have someone in my office
EVERYONE PLEASE COME IN HERE
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments
IT IS A NEW POST
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
Simian your Doppleganger is with us
Reading the translation sounds like it says he/they have done this before or others have been put here? Starting to sound even more creepy
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192#comments
COME TO THE NEW POST
the dogs _ two come from Pasco Co Tx (2 deputies with their dogs) the third from a private dog trainer from Brookville. 2yrs, 10 mths, 4 days, 7 hrs. 25 Infantry (light) viet nam 70. believe me military cadaver dogs is a silly idea. specialized dog
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk
The monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished/ The birdie has come down from the cable/ we have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there
MOMfromMO:
I know how you feel .. I feel the same way!
But, the authorities need to be OBJECTIVE and follow all angles.
I hope NH is still alive & will return safe.
First, someone please boot this guy off of the blog.
Kill Natalee Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:43 am
NO, you american needs to chill.
You all think that your the boss of the world.
But your nothing…….
He apparently has no maturity, is ignorant or maybe this is the BTK killer acting ignorant from jail. What a worthless moron.
I do think they are going to find Natalee and within the next couple of days. She is there. If she was not left at the rocky place where hermit crabs reside or near rocky shadows, some of what happened to her, happened to her there. Near the funny tree.
There is evidence there. Some of DNA. Maybe prints. There are people who are mentally running in every direction. They know that the cowboys have been close. Natalees fathers have been closer to it, but have not realized it. There is a girl there in the village that can help. Does she want to help??
It is possible that Natalee was given a drug or other substance to render her unable to fight them off. The muffled cries, the vileness of the act, the smile of the one.
Smell of sweat, of smoke and of uncleanliness. The mark on his face. Maybe from birth, or from an accident or from pox or acne. He is not yet a part of this. I believe she is not so deep into the water. She is there. The evidence is there. There may also be evidence on a tape or video.
With all due respect, if the authorities were ‘following all angles’, they would have started BEFORE allowing the 3 in custody to roam free for 9 days prior to their arrests.
I have no faith that the aruban authorities will solve this. It will take assistance from real authorities (ie, US EXPERTS).
Will Aruba allow the FBI to offer their full resources, technique, and experience??? No. That’s why their NOT following all angles.
Sad, but true.
Thanx for replying
Katcall – oh yeah, while the military has no cadaver dogs, special forces have NO dogs at all.
The problem is that 1)VDS Sr is walking around like he is above the law, believing he will be able to solve this problem for hisself and his son 2)This alone should say something for this judges regard for human life. 3)Anita VDS is now basically blaming Natalee for this whole thing, acting as if this girl is hiding and laughing at all that is going on on her behalf and has the nerve to make statements about how “VDS Jr” would never forgive Natalee for doing this to them and how he would be so upset and angry to find this out. Please. He knows how to play this mom or she is as big a monster as he is.
crs are u there
Katcall = As I said I was in the military a while ago. Although my unit, 25th Infantry (light) serves at present in Iraq, with pretty much the same weapons and tatics. I wish we could have had bullet proof kevlar helmets and body armor though. We took at lot more casualities. 25th inf took more casualties than any unit in VN.
ladyJA:
crs & checkme are in:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1192
Can someone translate Simian’s last post? Sol doesn’t speak Spanish very well. And after a few beers, Sol even struggles with english. As a matter of fact, I could be considered a bi-lingual illiterate!
Simian, please translate for Sol.
Gracias!!!!
thank u momfromMO
Y’all need to get a life and stop obssessing over this chick. She’s dead.