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Tom
Good Morning, my latest update, I rest assure that there seems to be more people involved. Only time will tell, so I will not be surprised if more people will be detained in connection to that night at the hotel. And recent polls indicate that around 60% of people still believe she’s still alive. It’s been more than 10 days, but I still have hope of finding her alive, just keep praying.
Thanks for update Jairo, it does sound like things are moving, just not as fast as most of us want it to. But that is always the case..
T
I heard something about a new subject being investigated too.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159128,00.html
The latest from Fox…
(Sorry, if it’s been posted already)
Ben:
new SUBJECT? or did you mean suspect? Just curious.
meant suspect…bad wording
How can we be sure that one or more of the suspects had sex with her? No reputable news source is reporting that. The truth is that we know very little, and I find that amazing because one would assume that, even if no “official” information were provided, SOMEONE with knowledge of the situation would make a midnight call to a newspaper or news service with an update on the investigation. Yet, there is nothing. Why?
This might be the only sensational case in memory that wasn;t rife with leaks. Where are the leaks? People MUST know more than we know.
The news sources are reporting an “intimate relationship”. Also the Attorney General,Trapenberg, last night on Hannity and Colmes claimed that one of the 3 suspects admitted to Joren and NH going behind the lighthouse and being intimate.
Jairo,
Is there any thing else on the girl in the gas station?
hey just a thought, how extensively have the people working that night
@ the holiday inn been investagated? i havent heard a word about their backgrounds, after all that place is like a frat house…
Rob
I find it hard to believe that a girl who, by all accounts, was a reserved, studious, responsible, and conservative young woman would sign on to go and have sex with some stranger that she meets on an island. That is a tough sell for me.
Drugs and alcohol have an amazing effect on inhibitions…
jim, you from pittsburgh?
are there in media people blogging from Aruba?
yes
Drugs and alcohol don’t transform people. They certainly unmask non-obvious tendencies and characteristics that a person might have underneath her facade,, but they don’t create a new personality. They simply allow what is already there to come to the surface. If she truly was this goodie-two-shoes girl, I doubt those tendencies were even a part of her personality. I don’t know her, but people seem uniform in their feeling that she was not that type.
However, anyone ever on ecstasy has said that you lose all inhibitions…were these guys not ecstasy dealers?
Hi all, still waiting to hear something myself. I still beilieve the sexual specualtions are just that, speculations. Until she is found, all we have to go on, as to if there was sex involved, is what the 3 creeps they arrested y’day are saying. For the friends and family of Natalee that are reading this, I am from Monroe County, In South Alabama, and you all have our support and prayers that she will be found alive! For the Aruban people that are reading, in NO way, do I fault your Island nor its people for this tragic happening. I will continue to read post, as long as I have power, being as how Tropical Storm Arlene seems to want to visit us.
No, I’m not from pittsburgh.
this whole thing is very confusing…every aspect…im starting to think she alive…i was starting to lose hope i admit…
Yeah rob, same here, I was in hope thinking she was a runaway, now im beginning to lean more toward the possibility of her being kidnapped and even sold
I’d say those three boys went and had their way with Natalee, it’s sad to think what they probably done to her and made her do to them (oral sex).
I hope she’s alive.
You’re ignorant Mikey. Blowjobs should be the last thing we’re discussing here, wake up and get real.
new update on cbs news.com
they havent release any info on evidence. so i m starting to think they dont have any…
someone can be held in aruba just for suspision. that s kind a frightening. these guys just dont look like killer to me.. morons yes, killers no…but im probably wrong who know…..
Rob,
Are you from pittsburgh?
And I agree with your statement on the hotel people. If the suspects say she fell drunk and was helped back into the hotel by a guy dressed in black with a walkie talkie–where is he? I don’t buy their story one bit. After all nothing showed up on the security tapes from the hotel
Donna:
I agree with you. I my thoughts are also leaning towards her being kidnapped. From what I read incoming boats from other islands is not an unusual thing in Aruba. I don’t understand why they haven’t extended their search to Curacao, Venezuela, etc. Unless we just haven’t heard about it yet??
I wanted to address something that was said earlier about whether blaming the classmates and chaperones is appropriate. OF COURSE it’s appropriate. Yes, the classmates and chaperones did not “physically” cause her disappearance, but their disregard for the her safety is a “but for” cause of this mess. I think everyone would agree that the LEGAL responsibility falls on the shoulders of the people who caused her disappearance, BUT that does nothing to obscure the fact that the chaperones and students have some MORAL responsibility.
It has long been said that “friends don’t let friends drink and drive.” Well, friends don’t let friends leave with 3 strangers at 1:30a.m.. And the chaperones? The CHAPERONES ought to be ashamed of themselves. Although I wasn’t there, what happened is fairly obvious. The chaperones went down there NOT to act as chaperones but rather to have a vacation FOR THEMSELVES. They didn’t do their job, and this is what happened.
I have a question. The CBSNEWS.COM link stated this:
(CBS/AP) A missing Alabama honors student went to an Aruban beach with two Surinamese men and a Dutch teen who kissed her and fondled her intimately, a defense lawyer told The Associated Press on Friday.
Is this saying all the boys had an intimate time with her, or just the Dutch teen…
From my earlier post on Natalee Holloway: Image of Computer’s Being Removed”
“First, the purpose of the chaparones is not to baby-sit, nor is it to monitor every movement the graduates make. This trip was organized the same way ours was…the chaparones’ essential purpose is to be there to help with any problem, no matter who big or small, but not to restrict us in an effort to prevent them. Our chaparones were visible, most often in the hotel lobby or on the beach. We ALWAYS knew were to find them if there was a problem. In fact, my year there was a problem and we knew where to go b/c we couldn’t handle it (fortunately there were not ill-fated consequences). So please, do not blame the chaparones…they were more-than-likely not at the bar as that was not their job, but rather milling around the lobby of the hotel just-in-case.”
20/20 is having a special on it tonight.
Larry:
The way I read it was that Joran was in the backseat with her, not all three. But I coulld be wrong.
kris,
im from pittsburgh, i go to aruba all the time.. i love it.. i can t believe what has happened..im going on jun 25 th – jul 5…
Just in case you don’t want to go and read my earlier post… I graduated from her high school a few years ago and went on the same senior trip, but ours was in Cancun.
I read it as she had relations with the Dutch boy only. I am wondering something else, if they all left the club at 1:30 am and drove 15 min to the lighthouse and then dropped her back at the hotel, does this make sense to anyone? Wasn’t the bar by the hotel? 15min out and 15min back doesn’t leave much time for intimate relations.
i have so many questions, i could ask the prime minister guy question for about three hours…
The chaperones job IS to restrict kids. THAT is what chaperones do. If they’re not doing that, they’re not “chaperones.” A “chaperone” is someone who accompanies a young person to ensure appropriate behavior.
Rob,
Cool. I too am from Pittsburgh. Be safe on your upcoming trip. Perhaps since you now the area you can address my last post re the timing of them leaving and “dropping” her off.
I believe in my heart that she is still alive and my family will continue to pray for her and her family
MtnBrkGrad
chap ·er ·on or chap ·er ·one ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shp-rn)
n.
A person, especially an older or married woman, who accompanies a young unmarried woman in public.
An older person who attends and supervises a social gathering for young people.
A guide or companion whose purpose is to ensure propriety or restrict activity: “to see and feel the rough edges of the society… without the filter of official chaperones” (Philip Taubman).
See #3…the chaperones failed to be chaperones…it a shame the adults let the kids rule.
the bars not that far from the beach (arashi).. but the whole time line is really screwed up.. here’s a question.. in this day in age.. why does’nt c&c have video camera in that crime joint.. maybe they dont want to be put in the postion to have to idenify anyone.
Jim,
I agree with you, however speaking from my own senior trip, many years ago. It wasn’t that difficult to “ditch” our chaperones.
I believe that it will be a long time in coming before another trip like this is planned
Sorry Jim we posted at the same time
The chaperones didn’t do their job. That’s the bottom line.
the light house is near the tierra del sol golf course.. i undertsand the majority of americans living in aruba live on that side of the island… but not exactly next to the lighthouse.. thats a desert there
Rob,
Another good point. I also find it interesting that one of Natalee’s classmates in speaking with CNN stated that they went to Carlos N Charlies web site and saw a picture of the dutch boy. I attempted to go to that site and am given the “Page cannot be displayed” line.
Having been there, is the area where C&C is more “touristy” or is it in an area not so nice, (for lack of better words)
You can’t blame the chaperones. I went on a senior trip when I was 17, just graduated from high school, went to myrtle beach, no parents, no chaperones, just us. The kids will be in college in 2 months and faced with the same responsibilities. I live in NYC, am 24. It’s extremely common to see girls from NYU, Columbia Univ, or wherever out, way drunk, and willing to go home w/ random people. It’s the people who take advantage of that situation who are sick.
If Aruba has anything to worry about it would be the reduction of senior trip throughout the Carribean…all the parents who were on the fence will be off it now…
The fake chaperone routine will not work anymore and the parent will gain leverage against the “drunken, gambling, sex” trips.
On the website note…C&C took down the shout out and a lot of the pics from there website. It might have crashed w/ all the hits to it.
If I were one of those chaperones, I’d be praying for Natalee and praying that I don’t get sued. They assumed a duty to that girl and were obviously negeligent in discharging that duty.
Kris,
I wandered the same thing about the timeframe….15 minutes for intimacy, probably means a hummer…
Ben,
Thanks for the insight.
Jim,
As this trip was not a school sanctioned trip, I am sure that there were numerous forms completed, including one that releases the chaparones from accident or injury liability.
I still agree with you that they failed, but as I said and Ben, with or without chaperones, kids that age are vulnerable and naive.
Mikey,
With all due respect that is not what I was referring to. Let me spell it out more clearly for you. Leave Point A (bar) at 1:30 drive 15min to lightouse, leave lighthouse to drive to point B (hotel) 15min? (not sure of location of each) that puts the time at 2am, the time they say the dropped her off. Therefore leaving NO time for intiamate relations.
That is what I was questioning.
On a side note, you must be quick if 15 min. is all you need
If some seedy sex details come out, America’s interest in this case will dissipate. Let’s face it: the only reason that this is a story in the first place is that it involves a (1) pretty (2) young (3) white (4) girl. Take away one or more of those things, and this is something that you’d never hear about. The girl is a southern, blonde-haired, blue-eyed “good girl” from an upper middle class suburb. The puritanical backbone of this country loves this sort of girl, but, if we start hearing about a consensual sex romp, the public interest will wane, and that will make finding her that much harder.
I did not write that. Someone stole my handle.
Kris,
FYI, no it doesn’t take me long to get off with a blowjob. 10 minutes tops.
i could care less if sex is invovled, i just want to find out where natalee is.. ive had pleny of sex… and never killed anyone…whats your point, jim?
Then again, I really did. I’m playing mind games with you people!
some one stole your handle… how sad …hahahahaha
Jim,
You’re such a prick. Get a life. How could you call here a whore?
This time, he didn’t even spell my name correctly.
The devil has a very special place for you Jim.
I DID NOT WRITE THAT.
Someone is stealing my handle.
Shame on Jim and anyone else who accuses her of being a whore. No one, even a whore (which I’m not saying she is) deserves to die.
Can anyone just steal handles on this site? This is ridiculous.
So MR. TROLL, You’re back – please go join some of the sick people chatting on the Yahoo message boards, you’ll be much happier.
I agree with all of you that the “adults” were remiss in their responsibilities to these 18 year old children – potential college students or no – but, though I cannot substantiate it or get the website for you, I am certain I saw a story a few days ago on CNN or MSN website where some school official (principle?) in response to these allegations stated that the accompanying adults were not “chaperones” but “facilitators” of the “event”. This probably in an attempt to deflect responsibility back towards the school as you suggest. It’s not right – but Im certain I saw somewhere that that is the schools “position”.
To the REAL Jim: Yes, the Mods are already onto this ‘pond scum’. They can report it to their ISP Providers. It’s already been done a couple of times. Tom or Red can take care of it, at your request.
mo fo he’s doing it himself…sheez!
Jim –
It isnt the site … If people want to be trolls, there are many ways … do not feed them.
Rob:
Well, then…guess either way, I made my point.
>>praying for Natalee
First…it was not a school sponsored event. Two…students and parents chose chaparones; they were not school appointed. Third, the parents knew the role of the chaparones. That is a label … the truly were not their to perform duties to the letter of the definition of the word. Regardless of what you guys think…you were not involved in the formation of the trip and you don’t know their role. They won’t be sued. The family has already made a statement at a press conference that the blame is not on them. I am telling you, with first hand knowledge, their role is not that of a babysitter!! They do not escort the students out at night.
does anyone have anything to add? seriously. any news at all… this case is like a vaccuum…just in case they blow it , i suppose.
First…it was not a school sponsored event. Two…students and parents chose chaparones; they were not school appointed. Third, the parents knew the role of the chaparones. That is a label … the truly were not their to perform duties to the letter of the definition of the word. Regardless of what you guys think…you were not involved in the formation of the trip and you don’t know their role. They won’t be sued. The family has already made a statement at a press conference that the blame is not on them. I am telling you, with first hand knowledge, their role is not that of a babysitter!! They do not escort the students out at night.
Quick note,
I stepped away and someone else posted that last thing under my name. To the real Jim, I have agreed with most everything you have said. To whomever is posting under someone else, please knock it off. Try and remember that their is a missing girl that we are talking about
i hear m.jackson’s got real big problems… drugdereport.com
MtnBrkGrad… were you on the trip?
MtnBrkGrad,
Have you gone on one of these trips? Gathering from your “name” I assume that you are in or near her home town. If so, know that you are in our thoughts and prayers for the safe return of your friend.
i can understand why her friends had no problem with her leaving with that boy. son of a judge, good student, i’m sure VERY charming, AND they had contact with him earlier in the week…seems safe enough. no excuses for the chaperones…they dropped the ball big time and they know it which i’m SURE is why you’ve heard NOTHING from them nor will anyone answer questions about them. my 2 cents…she leaves with these guys…they take a drive and she starts fooling around with the Dutch kid (she’s under the influence of SOMETHING, be it drugs or alcohol)…they get to the beach for a “private party” that she’s not aware she’s going to have…perhaps in restraining her or covering her mouth she suffocates or her neck breaks (if god forbid she was face down in the sand, there’s no air), they panic and dump the body and blame the 2 security guards (who they know because perhaps they’ve purchased drugs from in the past). i think if she had gone swimming and accidentally drowned, these kids would have notified the authorities. i think those 3 are absolutely responsible for her disappearance. in my opinion, they aren’t searching for her in South America because the authorities KNOW she’s not there. god please let me wrong…i pray that she’s alive and well somewhere, but too much time has elapsed. hopefully i’m wrong. my thoughts and prayers go to you and your family Natalee.
Just to clarify your questions I have copied my earlier post in its entirety to this page. But briefly to answer: yes I grew up in Mtn Brk and graduated from school there. My family is still there, and in a town that small and that close knit you know virtually everyone, or atleast know of them. As I graduated 7 yrs ago I did not go on this trip… ours was to Cancun before they changed it to Aruba as a safer venue.
As posted earlier:
WOIMB, I am a Mtn Brk Grad as well and I appreciate your efforts to rectify the misconceptions posters have re MB, Natalee’s family, the chaparones, etc. For everyone I would just like to expand on WOIMB’s posts. I graduated from MB about 7 years ago, and was allowed to go on a senior trip. The Aruba trip was organized because it was a much safer place than previous locations; for instance, our trip was to Cancun. I would like to clarify a few misconceptions, although knowing it may not change opinions.
First, the purpose of the chaparones is not to baby-sit, nor is it to monitor every movement the graduates make. This trip was organized the same way ours was…the chaparones’ essential purpose is to be there to help with any problem, no matter who big or small, but not to restrict us in an effort to prevent them. Our chaparones were visible, most often in the hotel lobby or on the beach. We ALWAYS knew were to find them if there was a problem. In fact, my year there was a problem and we knew where to go b/c we couldn’t handle it (fortunately there were not ill-fated consequences). So please, do not blame the chaparones…they were more-than-likely not at the bar as that was not their job, but rather milling around the lobby of the hotel just-in-case.
Secondly, everyone wants to place the blame on the parents for letting there her go. This community is tight-knit and as WOIMB said: “very safe … the Tiny Kingdom”. There is something to be said for realizing that your 18 yr. old is about to be on their own. For those of you who call them naive for thinking it was a “more controlled situation … to blow off steam”, you are mistaken. If you have children you would be naive to think that for them, and the majority of teens today, drinking and the presence of drugs is a not a norm, because it is. I am NOT saying they all do routinely, but at the very least they have been in situations were it is present. Those who have not are a rarity. Personally, I embrace the parenting tactics of many of these parents. You educate your children re the consequences of their actions, you enforce the consequences, yet at some point parents must rely on what they have done as a parent. Most of these parents feel that slowly loosening the reigns and exposing their children to a menagerie of situations makes them more-rounded adults, able to adapt to and better handle themselves in various situations. I feel that the parents that continue to “ride” their children who have proven to be responsible have doubts as to how effective a parent they have been. This trip has been going on for 15+ years, maybe longer, in this format; only the venue has changed. It is considered a “Rite of Passage” … have you guys heard of that??
Third, Natalee may have left willingly and may have made some questionable choices, but that does not make her a “slut”. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT SEE DID … PLEASE, STOP POSING ASSUMPTIONS AS ASCERTIONS OF FACT!! An instance does not define a person. Need I remind many of you that this young lady had high aspirations, and not only that she was well on her way towards achieving them. She does not have an illegitimate child nor does she have a rap sheet, or even a record of misconduct at school, quite the contrary in fact. Also, having been in Cancun on a senior trip, it is possible not to drink and have fun with your friends even if they are drinking. I had fun and yet never had more than one daquari while in Cancun. I am not trying to say wasn’t drinking, jsut making the point that we don’t know what she was doing.
Please just pray for her. Don’t judge her, her family/friends, or where she came from. It is a wonderful place, and though the perception of it from the outside may be oneway, it is a stereotype (not applicable to every person living there) and nothing more.
MtnBrkGrad
So now we have a better picture…thank for your background…
ATTENTION PARENTS:
SOME SCHOOL TRIPS ARE UN-CHAPERONED…PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME YOUR CHILDS SAFETY BECAUSE SOME ADULT MAYBE ON THE TRIP TO FACILITATE.
O”Reilly will love this…
My ascertion has been from the beginning that these guys took advantage of her. Their intentions were obvious, we’ve all seen the websites, the guys were bad news.
langosta… that still doesnt explain where her body is… second they are looking in SA…
…hmmm, well, i can’t see her being in the water, unless someone had a boat, but hey, this is all speculation so who knows, maybe they paid the guards to help hide her. i recall reading somewhere that Aruba has a lot of caves and it would be difficult to explore them all…having never been there, i don’t know if that’s true or not. you are right Rob, i’m sure they ARE looking in S.A., it just doesn’t seem to me like that is something they are heavily pursuing and there has to be a REASON for that…does that make sense? i don’t know, i hope she pulled a Runaway Bride thing and she’s just hanging somewhere, but i just don’t know. what do YOU think happened?
Im back, and not even going to scroll and read past my last post, as the first few i saw were uncalled for. There are no FACTS on her being sexually assaulted, there are not FACTS period, other than the 3 guys were “the last to see her” and as it appears, that is not a concrete FACT
As Posted on another board:
For all those out there (including the Mass Media) questioning the investigation prodedures and the term “tactical” (as mentioned during the presscon.) the following:
They let the 3 guys “go” after questioning
just to give them a false “off the hook” feeling.. (at least for a while)….
My guess is that it was during this period that the SUBSTANTIAL evidence was gathered.
Kinda like: “pretend to be dead, and watch who comes to your funeral”
Plain ‘ol STRATEGY!!!!!
If I recall correctly, this is the same STRATEGY that was used during the SCOTT PETERSON investigation……which by the way was a case with ALOT of circumstantial evidence SINCE DAY ONE!!!!!!
He too was questioned and “let Go”…and it was weeks before they finally brought him in and impounded his car for evidence.
Let me not even get into the O.J case….
SO PLEEEEAASE quit questioning the local police, authorities, and government and especially coming up with absurd theories of wild conspiracies and cover-ups.
Alow me to remind all that the FBI is ACTIVELY involved!!!!!!!!!
DELETE “Selective Memory” and INSTALL/OPEN the “Let’s look at the big picture with an open mind” file…
As for the Mass Medis, especially O’Reilly, Nancy Grace, Greta, etc…
Get your facts STRAIGHT, remain OBJECTIVE, and quit being SENSATIONALISTIC.
I don’t see a Pulitzer in your future anytime soon……………
In my most humble opionion, and we all have them, we are here to toss out possibilities, but some of you ppl are acting like you are FBI or Aurban Police and have all the Answers!
Hi, I’m back. Yesterday I reported that the gas station in the area of Oranjestad caught Natalee on surveillance tape. This was later verified by officials on the island and the brother of Natalee says it’s not her.
Donna,
Nice reply. I think that forums like this are good, maybe someone here has an idea that has merit. I say that we all throw our ideas out and see what happens. At the same time hope for a positive outcome.
ty Jario, wishing it was her!
Jairo,
What else is going on? Do you have anything new?
I woyuld just like to say thatl i live on 280 which is near MtnBrk and i hope they find her soon and bring her home. There are alot of yellow ribbons around mtnbrk and everyone is waiting on her return safe. please pray for her and her family and friends back home.
Shots from a night at Carlos & Charlies VERY enlightening
http://gallery.magic965.com/thumbnails.php?album=221
I am in Alabama too Ashley, I have family in Homewood and Huey Town, our support and prayers are with Natalee, friends and family
Well many speculations, as soon as I get credible information, I’ll update you guys on it. I understand that language barriers is making much more trouble than anything. The native papiamento is giving international reporters lot’s of trouble.
I visited that site y’day, cee cee, and in my opinion, it is a BAR, nothing any more than what we have in the States
thst nice donna where do you live? what do you think about all this, and what do you think happened to her? do you think that pic from the gas station is her, in a way it looks like her from the way she stands and the other pic on the island but who knows im just praying that she returns home safe.
The Joran Kid ( YES HE IS A KID) was an honors student as well, i have read his school’s newsletter, This kid was no dummy. He was accepted into St. Leo’s University in Florida, He has no prior record, so how can we sit there and assume he is a criminal without any concrete evidence? I saw his website. He looks and acts like any good looking teenage Young man. Is it possible that NA will never be found?
There is only so many places N.A could of gone on that island or off the island
mtnbrkgrad
do you still live in mtnbrk? what is everyone saying there?
I am in Monroe County Alabama, about 75 miles from Mobile. I am, we all are, praying you her safe return. I have many thoughts, first was that she was a runaway teen (was hoping), now, I am leaning more so to thought that the 3 guys were not the last to see her, and that perhaps someone else got her, possible for sale. As that may sound so horrible, it gives me a great deal of hope that she is still alive and with our law enforcement, I have to feel sure she will be found. I have not seen the gas station posts, but we were just told, as I guessed, it was not her. We’ll find her, I trust that, it is just a different process in law over there…….
Nick,
You’re totally right! he looks like a fun great kid. so did Scott Peterson. looks mean NOTHING…hell, the way some people ACT means nothing. i think whatever happened to her was an accident, i don’t think they intentionally meant to harm her, but they ARE kids, and they panicked. hopefully we’re all wrong and she’s okay.
the photos are on section V of the site…
it doesn’t really look like her to me
Langosta,
i agree with you on the looks part.
You also have a point about the kids making a mistake, but only time will tell.
There is not much information on this case which makes it difficult for us.
As far as “chaperones” go, I’ll just say this. If I were a parent, planning a trip for my 18 year old daughter and I was told there would be “chaperones” there, I would BELIEVE that they would make sure my daughter did NOT get in trouble.
It doesn’t matter what the definition of chaperone is, or what the chaperones “thought” they were there to do, what matters is what the parents thought , who let their children go on the trip, knowing there were chaperones. Saying there will be “chaperones” gives the parents a sense of security, that someone is watching out for their child, just like they would IF they were there.
So, I too.. believe that the chaperones did NOT do their job. They did not “chaperone”.
So in the future, if the chaperones are not going to chaperone, don’t tell parents you have “chaperones’ going!
My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and her family!
I am unable to go on Joran’s website, did they shut it down?
The media had unlimited pictures of all 3 suspects on that website.
If this was another person from another country , would Aruba be trying as hard to find the person?
Great kid…according to his story he threw a drunk girl out on the street at 2am in the morning without wiating and get her to a “safe place”.
This after he pick her up and took advantage of her…
If my daughter met a kid like that he’d be a dead great kid..
I recommend everyone to watch MSNBC because the reporters of ATV Aruba are very good in investigations of this sort, and they will bring their reports to MSNBC because ATV is a partner of NBC.
okay phill, how do you know he took advantage of her,
Joran was 17
It takes 2 there phil
SO phill, what other solid information do you have for us
Jairo,
Thanks for the suggestion. And thanks for keeping us updated. Hopefully you can “break the news” to us when she is found
langosta..sorry i was away…i dont know what happen to her.. i should have been able to figure it all out by now.. but i have no idea…the three chucklehead just dont strike me as murderers..the look very horny though.. and there is some legal prostitution in aruba.. if your horny you dont have to kill someone. i still keep going back to the frat house (holiday inn) . id give everyone there an anal… after all, theoritically, they could have possibly erased any video….the three moron say they dropped her off at 2 am… that doesnt look like a lotta time to hide a body this well..then again maybe they didnt drop her off… i just dont know….
From an early post
1) The news sources are reporting an “intimate relationship”. Also the Attorney General,Trapenberg, last night on Hannity and Colmes claimed that one of the 3 suspects admitted to Joren and NH going behind the lighthouse and being intimate
2) If she was drinking/drink as he claims…he took advantage…at least that would qualify as such in my book of gentlemenly behavior.
donna
I think the same thing about her being sold, i know that makes them sound bad but everyone here in alabama seems to think that might be a possible and it if its not thats great im just praying that shes not dead and that she will return home alive with her parents. i can not even imagine the pain her parents are going through being over there and not knowing where she is and if shes alive that would just tear me to peices and i would want to hurt the person that did that to her. did you know her? I feel like really bad that it happened to her and i feel like it could have happened to me on my senior trip that we went on last year in cancun.
Jaron’s site “The space you are trying to view may not exist or access to it may be restricted. If you are not signed in to your Microsoft .NET Passport, please sign in below so we can verify your access to this space.”
I’m sure that anyone (official or not) already copied all the photos from his site!
I hope that’s the case Kris, and very soon!
Rob…
They did not have to kill her intentionally…things just got out of hand…in all likelihood they were drinking too…
his crappy site is posted on the other message board “natalee IV”
Phil,
i read that already, that does not mean he took advantage of her,
He was most likely drinking as well. Plus he was younger then her. She could of taken advantage of him. We have no way of knowing. Your book of Gentlemenly behavior may be different then the dutch boy
Press conference is at 3 PM!!
You can tune in, just follow this link:
http://www.arubadag.com or http://www.promoaruba.aw
Interesting, someone registered this site. It looks like a good thing but could turn wierd if they used it for advertising or such
http://www.nataleeholloway.com/
ok , say they killed her… no blood, no clothes that look like they been digging, this looks like the work of steven king…..
Rob,
I’ve never been to Aruba…is the Holiday Inn pretty “young” as far as staff/clientel go?
Does anyone know if they found any clothes or sunglasses of NH at the beach?
phil also, they are being investagated for kidnapping, that does nt sound like an accident…
Rob,
If I may ask what is your background? “i should have been able to figure it all out by now.. but i have no idea…”. Just curious.
Hey Mt. Brook Grad.,
I live in MB too and I agree 100% about your definition of the role of adults on this trip. These grads will soon (
well, i d never stay at the holiday inn, its what i said, a frat house…mostly people who are cheap and some times that alone can be enough…
one of the accused, Satish, his site is still up… check it out
http://spaces.msn.com/members/thebestone10/
mb2
did you go to school with nh?
I do not know /cant imagine what they did with the body, but this is starting to remind me more and more of the Robert Chambers preppie murder in New York years ago…same kind of “priviledged” kid..
i ve been going to aruba since 1998 twice a year since 2003, i stay at the hyatt, which is next to the allegro, the holiday in and the allgro are not as close as the media suggested…
something is telling me that the holiday inn is where to look…
has anyone seen the boys tickle account thats the son of a judge or whatever over there? if so can i see it?
rob why do you say to look at the holiday inn? you think she there alive or dead?
wow! You know what blows me away…through ALL this going on, he’s UPDATING his “spaces” page!!! the “Friends” were updated just TWO days ago and the “Aruba” section was updated on the 4th!! HELL-LLLOOOO…someone you DROPPED OFF AT A HOTEL IS MISSING and you were the last one to see her ALIVE!!!!! how ’bout helping in the freaking SEARCH!
Ashley
We tried to link to it yesterday but the account had already been shut down.
Tom
Joran’s msn profile…
http://members.msn.com/default.msnw?guids=6XKlWX0flEdSwxM0r*naQjOKK!*DVyALfe8Ib0t9s1yYCkjrShrDUzDDM7HBilK*qj
oh really what elese to do you guys know i am at work and dont have a tv to watch the news and the internet says the same thing from yesterday
i dont know if she is alive or dead, but like i said these idiot-savants, minus the savant… just dont strike me as murderers. im prolly wrong…let say they did drop her off. well a young drunk girl comes strolling in, and someone there abducts her. langosta, are you serious they updated their site during all this?
Seems like a normal kid ,
but you never know though!
He had lots of time on his hands so he browsed the internet and updated his webpage, then he was arrested the next day.
i wonder if they knew it was coming?
-Allegro- -Hyatt- -Playa Linda- -Holiday Inn
From Holidat Inn to Allegro, two blocks or so.
YES! i’m APPALLED!!! at least Satish did. *ugh*
well i just wish that they woyuld find her and let her go home and whoever did this get in alot of trouble. is anyone on here from there and alabama?
In connection with the alleged sighting at the gas station:
Brother is saying it is not her, but Father (David Holloway) is not convinced it isn’t. According to Mr. Holloway, the girl in the images bares a lot of resemblance to his daughter, as far as physical aspects go.
As for the gas station employees: One swears it’s her. Apparently she lloks “disoriented” and has some bruises…….
She purchased cigarettes and phonecards, and left in a rented car……
Authorities are really looking at this one!!
allegro, hyatt, playa linda, moomba beach, delta fi ki (holiday inn frat house) those should be the greek letters on the joint
I am from Jacksonville, Florida and i know people from Mountain Brook,
Most Alabama are very nice, even the kids,
It must be the southern hospitality
hey does anyone know if they have searched the light house there?
For what it is worth, a little more background on the dutch boy..
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-14/111834910463130.xml&storylist=alabamanews
With a $55k reward, I think I’d be throwing a net over her at the gas station– not, hey let’s review the tape.
a ride around the island in a jeep could leave you bruised.
Ashley,
No, I didn’t go to school with Natalee as I graduated 30+ years ago. I went to Europe a couple of times then and even back in those dinosaurs days, we drank like fools in Europe in front of the chaperones as there was no legal drinking age then. Our parents were well aware of it and were warned ahead of time. The only difference with my trip (besides many, many moons ago) is that I was on “an official, school sponsored trip abroad” whereas Natalee’s trip was not sponsored by the school. Our chaperones were not with us 24/7 either – most nights we were on our own but we fortunately stayed with our buddies in at least a group of 3 or 4.
Are you from Aruba? If so, thank you for all your island is doing for Natalee’s family. I would go to Aruba in a heartbeat if given the opportunity.
So now she smokes.
i did not know that
it would be hard to stay hidden on Aruba while everyone in the world is looking for you
why don’t they track the phone cards >??
true bill
I got this “story” from a reporter…..doesn’t mean it’s true…..
I wish it were though…….
The lighthouse has been closed for many years and there’s no way of physically getting inside the lighthouse because of the heavy locks on the place. That’s another thing, press in the states have been talking about 2 different places, the beach behind the lighthouse and the Arashi beach, I don’t know which one the 3 guys stated that they took Natalee, Defense Attorney said that one of the 3 said they went to the lighthouse.
phone cards, who s she been calling? not me…. you d think if someone got a call from her they would report it…sheez!
one of the brother stated that he said, jaron took her behing the lighthouse
no i do not live in aruba, i live not far from mtnbrk.
Natalee is dead! Whose fault is it? Does it matter? Will the truely guilty suffer? Probably not.
This should serve a lesson. Sounds like everyone was fully aware what this trip was about. It takes about 5 minutes to figure out that a place like CnC’s doesn’t provide the safest environment for any woman, let alone, an naive, or dumb, 18 year old. A lot of people dropped the common sense ball, here. Look where it got Natalee. Either the parents are naive, dumb or out of control themselves. How could you allow your just-graduated child, no matter how mature you think they are, into an environment like that where they are forced to deal with situations and freedoms that they may have never encountered before without proper supervision. Predators are everywhere. Even in so-called “Paradise”.
I’m guessing that Natalee wanted to party like a big girl, but she soon found herself in over her head.
that girl in the video sound dutch to me… here’s why, alotta of em smoke, especially marlboros and drink beer, also the calls from aruba to holland are very expensive…thus the cards…just thinking..
We don’t know if she is dead, but each day , the odds of her being alive is slim to none.
Ashley, Where in AL do you live?
marks on ignore….
fer stupidity
near mountain brooke where nh is from, where do you lvie
do you guys really think shes dead or alive i hope that she alive. do you think that she has been sold and they dont know where she is and never will
I have news on certain parts of the investigation but I must first confirm these, as soon as I get them I’ll post them!
does anyone know where that store was where they think she was spotted? do any of you think its her?
Ashley,
i am in Jville, Florida
My fear is that she has passed away, Very rarely Young women are found alive. History has shown that very few are found alive.
We all want to believe that she is alive or running away.
I thought the run away bride was dead, but weird things can happen.
I hope that she is not in some South America Brothel getting abused sexually and mentally. No kid should have to go through that
Yes, it’s a Valero gasoline station right at the end of the mainstreet of Aruba in the middle of Oranjestad.
Jairo,
I am glad that you have news on certain parts.
Is it information that we already heard?
I hope you inform us
Thanks
Nick
i know that si true nick but do you not think that pic from the gas station is not her?i think it looks like her from the way she stands in both pic and even her dad thinks its her and the women that worked there does also. who knows but if it was why would the people that have her send her in someplace like that knowing people are looking for her?
Rob’s got a GREAT point! considering the WORLDWIDE media attention this is getting, if anyone got a call from her, i think they’d tell SOMEBODY. hate to say it, but i don’t think that was her. i’m sure 1/2 the girls down there look like that (tourists), hell, on a grainy black and white video, I’D pass as her!
It’s all new info, today there’s not going to be any press conference by police and it seems becuase of a lot of investigation going on.
well we are just hoping that was her and thats shes still alive and ready to be found but in a way if it was her i think i would be finding some way to tell thwe peolpe that worked there that i needed help and soon dont you
so is this breaking news? I hope its good news and a good outcome
You’re right Ashley, so I just don’t know!
where is the link to the gas station photo? anyone have it please?
Yes checkout, http://www.awemainta.com you can zoom in on the picture.
well keep us posted for those that are at work and doing this instead of work!!!! i would rather be doing this b/c it touches my heart to think im her age and it could be me someday, hope everyone will search for me.
look under section V…or on the front page of this website
That gas station is close to my house in Aruba and in the middle of town. If she wanted to get sigarettes this would not be the most obvious place. I go with the suggestion that is was a dutch girl buying sigarettes.
Ok the Prime Minister is giving a statement, he had a meeting with investigators in the morning, if anything comes up I’ll let you know!
Press Conference was cancelled for today.
Its on live right now http://www.top95fm.aw/index2.htm
i wonder if they are breaking down the 3 suspects
Hopefully the FBI is using good tactics
jairo, i will be in aruba on jun 25 -jul 5 id like to meet you i’ll be at the hyatt
Hey Rob, intelligent remark.
Obviously, Rob doesn’t have a retort to my observations. Who is the stupid one?
what are you going to aruba for rob?
Rob, I’m currently studying in the US for almost a year now.
Jairo…thanks for the link and the updates!
Ashley honey, there isn’t one person on this page that doesn’t want the girl in the gas station to be Natalee. trust me on that one. What happened to her is RARE. keep your chin up girlie!
thanks for the website link
too bad i can’t understand what the heck their saying
Ashley, you still there?
jario, do you knew heidel or antonio bella?
yes im still here
ashley, fer vacation
Aruba PM’s press conf. didn’t mention anything new. I guess they will ‘carry this over the weekend’.
ok that should be nice. wish i was on a vacation
No, I don’t know them.
Hey guys, just joining. I would think that if that wasn’t Natalee in the gas station, whoever it was would say “Hey thats me and not Natalee” You know?
are any of you guys in aruba over there looking for her or just mostly her family and fbi
you’d think, but i spent 10 days in Cancun and never once looked at a Mexican newspaper. Especially if you don’t speak Papaimento.
ALOT of people looking for her…..the searching never stopped
Mmm. Pm just sad that they are shipping in more dogs from the US with FBI assistence
Jairo,
Where are you in the states? Thanks for keeping us updated. Hope the news you have for us is positive.
Good point truth, I also pray she is still alive.
look how you act truth… and your in public… you ass muncher
My personal opinion is that she is alive and is no longer on the island. She has been taken somewhere by boat and is being held against her will. I think the prostitution and slave trade theory may unfortunately be what happened. If she was dead there would be some kind of physical evidence by now. And bodies float to the surface after this long. Authorities need to start investigating and checking Venezuela and islands of close proximity to Aruba if they have any hopes of finding any trace of Natalee. I also believe that in a situation like this, there are many more people involved. The three boys are probably involved, but I am almost sure that if she is alive, they had accomplises to help transport the girl to another location. The fact that Natalee’s friends have reported seeing the Dutch boy on several occasions indicates that he strategically planned whatever happened and wa scoping out his target. He may be involved in something more illegal like trafficking and its possible that Natalee fit the description of someone that they could get a lot of money for in the prostitution industry. Also, I recently came across an article about a young woman named Amy Bradley that disappeared from a cruise ship somewhere in the Caribbean around the island of Aruba in 1998. Authorities investigated and found no clues as to her whereabouts. A year or so later, a US military officer reported seeing her in a brothel somewhere in the Caribbean- I think in Venezuela but am not positive, and she said she needed help, but at the time he thought nothing of it. He reported the sighting, but unfortunately when authorities arrived, the brothel had burnt down, and she hasn’t been seen since. I think its a big mistake for the authorities investigating Natalee’s disappearance to ignore this previous case because there are some striking similarities that can’t be overlooked. First, Amy’s mother reported that a man approached her daughter on the ship and asked her to go get some drinks from a new bar, Carlos n Charlies- the same bar Natalee was seen in. Also, that bar opened in 1998-the same year Amy disappeared. I’m not saying the bar is involved but the cases are similar. I believe there is a illegal prostitution or slave trade ring in the Caribbean and that Natalee may have fallen victim to these sick people. Another scenario is that she witnessed something illegal that someone didn’t want her to see, and consequently she was taken to avoid her exposing them. My prayers go out for Natalee and her family and friends as well as the island of Aruba. I pray that this mystery is solved and that the island can return to normal.
to the truth
why in the world would you say something like that, just b/c she left with them does not mean shes a slut and for one she might have not gone with them they may have made her and you need to learn respect for women, that was uncalled for and that probably makes alot of people mad. where are you from anyways?
I don’t believe in everything that I have read that N is the type of girl that Truth portrays. And remember that her frineds and family are reading this.
Ok That was uncalled for.
Langosta: But with all this going on with her missing, thats all everyones talking about, You know? thats the main topic. Even if it was a different language newspaper, I still found pics all over the news and web of this video recording…
Are you for real Truth?? get some Serious help……
but thinking about it….i have to agree….
i just read on my isp homepage that the fbi divers never got in the water … wtf?
http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2005/06/10/153040.html
Mr. truth-thing, go express you BS somewhere else….
I heard that the Divers weren’t being allowed in the water.
I “SAW”…..divers in the water….don’t know if they were FBI or not, but there were INDEED divers….
If I don’t return to Aruba it be from embarassment. What must they think of us, with some of the statements being made? Albeit, probably by the same few trolls.
I’m currently in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
well people need to have more respect for peolple than that. he has no clue what has happened to her and for all we know that guy that said she was a slut could be one of the 3 guys friends and just telling lies to keep them from looking bad.
hey jackass, steal my name again and watch me work my magic.. my fung fu is better than yours’ try me
Hey……I didn’t post that….WTH???
i know that one time, I did have the opportunity to do four guys at once, and it was fun. I did not swallow however.
i’m not saying Natalee engaged in this, and I doubt she did. Just giving you some info on me.
The truth is that FBI Divers have been diving, this was wrongly reported by Karl Penhaul of CNN and just recently search dogs from the FBI have arrived on the island.
Angela… GOOD POINT! especially with all the buzz going on on the island…very good point.
look whoever is stilling my name and saying that stuff is a little childish. i have never doen that and never will and you just pray that it was you if i did do that
Well if the FBI has been in the water and they havent’ found anything–that is a good sign.
well have a nice day and i will continue this later
You kids need to grow up. This is a serious chat topic with no room for BS like that
Well, the owners of this site can trace the isp address of posters. Hopefully, they can also delete posts made by imposters!
Unforunately, there are sick people out and about in the world and they are also here on the Internet!
Have a good day all… I”m off to other message boards! Anyone posting in this thread AFTER this note, is not me!
You kids need to grow up. This is a serious chat topic with no room for BS like that
Ashley,
email me later
simonj0@students.fccj.org
I am heading home now,
it was nice talking to everyone, Every day, i hope and pray NH is found alive
You kids need to grow up. This is a serious chat topic with no room for BS like that
Hey Guys,
We are cleaning it up as we go along. Don’t worry. There are so many comments. Just ignore the trolls, “Do not Feed Them”.
The Management
Red & Tom
ok Texas, your the little crap who keeps writing my reply over and over….just messed up cause you didn’t change your name back
We now have another mark in here so thought I would differentiate myself by putting a 2 after my name.
Anyway, Nick, you mentioned that Jaron isn’t a killer because he is smart. Well, remember the couple going to West Point who killed the guys lover because his wife was jealous of her? The fact is that you can be as smart as hell and still have a screw loose. In fact, as a rule criminals are very intelligent people. So don’t assume that because you come from a good family and/or make good grades that you aren’t capable of something like this. Based on reports, we know that he is guilty of at least taking advantage of and/or drugging a nice girl to have sex with her. That is not a nice guy. If he will rape, he will also kill if the situation dictates it.
If criminals were dumb, my job in Chicago would have been easy. Unfortunately the culprits were pretty clever so we worked our butt off to solve cases.
Concerning the confusion as to whether she had sex with one or three of them, not that it really matters, but when the boys were interrogated the first time it was reported that all of them stated that Natalee voluntarily went with them to have a “foursome”. Assuming that report is correct, then those guys are full of it and it should have been obvious from the beginning.
This chat was interesting until the moron showed up. I’m off to another chat. If my name shows up its the MORON
Very good point Mark2
We had a server change because of we have been experiencing so much traffic.
We apologize to anyone who got knocked off the site.
Tom
must be a ton of people reading and not saying anything
Ben:
LOL! That’s exactly what I was doing! Reading…and wondering….’where the heck is everyone’???
Any news on Natalee?
I hope she is found alive!
All of us do, Nitly!
Ive been reading this all day. My question is who is Jairo? and how does he know so much? inside source?
he is originally from aruba, lives in florida now…he is getting news from listening to the local arubian radio station online…but the language is in papmiento, so I can’t understand a word of it
ah i see. i never get so interested in things like this. my heart really goes out to the family. i have to have at least a hourly update on what is happeneing. i guess its because i can relate so much to her…
Yeah, that and the fact that this case is increasingly stranger and stranger by the hour it seems. We have no news from mainstream media so we have to rely on locals who are taking the time to blog.
Reason this hits home for me:
Don’t know if any of you ever heard this story, but I think it was on America’s Most Wanted some time back….
In Springfield, MO (my location)..on June 7 1992, 3 women were abducted. Sherrill Levitt, the mother; Suzie Streeter, her daughter, and Stacy McCall, Streeter’s best friend. Suzie and Stacy had graduated high school that very day, then later went to a party. Stacy was supposed to stay @ the party (thrown by another friend, and supervised by parents, but they ran out of room for her to stay)…Suzie & Stacy made it to Suzie’s house…the car was in the driveway. The next day, another HS friend went to their house, as they had plans to go to White Water the next day. The noticed the light bulb on the front porch was broken, but no answer at the door. The only witness? A yorkshire terrier. Spooky.
The investigation was ongoing, leads pursued…and on and on
They are STILL missing.
I hope this sight is helpful to Natalee’s family:
http://www.onemissinglink.org/background.html
Praying for Natalee, Sherrill, Suzie and Stacy.
Have to get going. Keep up the prayers for Natalee. Have a good weekend!
I realize that this comment might mark me as a conspiricy nut, but I feel like I may as well throw it out there, just so that if it turns out true, I can claim devine future-telling powers.
I seem to recall that we started hearing about human slave traffic (from C. Rice) roughly the same time as this case started to really break. Several south american countries are known to have solid supplies of oil. If this girl ends up in one of these countries, and we start an sudden “war on slavery”….I’m going to be worried.
Is this what happened…nah, I doubt it. But if I t does, I expect some sort of candy from at least some of you.
Hello all,
Any new updates from our friends listening to Aruba Radio? There has to be something happening or some break in this soon.
http://www.postherald.com/me061005.shtml
Hi, I’m back! Just wanted to confirm that the women on the surveillance tape is not Natalee. The women on the surveillance tape works at a local tour operator named De Palm Tours.
Thanks for the info Jairo!
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Langosta, where you on the trip advisor forum a few days ago??
jairo,
i just thought of something… do you know the area where the abandoned town is… there are a few ppl still living there but the majority of buildings and houses are empty. i kinda stumbles on to this area by accident when i was down by KIA. has this area beeen throughly search?, there are a lot of places to hide a live or dead person. this little town looks like the ideal place to commit a crime…
just wondering
R
NEWS……..
according to a “breaking news on the radio” The parents of Ms. Holloway were taken to a lab for Blood and DNA samples this afternoon…..
Rob,
That was exactly the area that was searched (massively) a couple of days ago…
Yes, any Arubian would tell you that this area behind KIA and around the northern coast of Aruba would be a first place were crime could be commited, that’s one of the reasons I think they searched this place first. And dutch military has been doing their searches around their every day. They know the area very well because they use it for training.
I wonder if they found some blood in the car??
Breaking news
DNA samples can’t be good….. they must have found something..
Didn’t give any further details….
Maybe it’s for…..”just in case”
Jairo, did you hear anything about this??
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