Joran Van der Sloot: DNA & Skin Found Under Murder Victim Stephany Flores’ Finger Nails


Who will Joran Van der Slootblame his DNA under the fingernails of Stephany Flores, maybe Mark Fuhrman? Will Joran now claim the Peru police planted evidence too? Desperate acts from a desperate caged sociopath. What Joran Van der Sloot cannot explain away is why he violently murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores, tried to clean up the crime and then fled the scene of the crime.

The case against accused murderer Joran Van der Sloot just go a bit more dicey for the 22 year old “Little Dutch boy” in the murder case of Stephany Flores in Peru. According to reports from CNN, DNA and skin was found underneath the fingernails of the victim. It has not been released who the DNA belongs to, but we can make an educated guess.

Peruvian police said Thursday they found skin underneath the fingernails of a 21-year-old student Joran van der Sloot is accused of killing.

Miguel Canlla Ore, a colonel in the Peruvian National Police and head of homicide, told journalist Victoria Macchi that the amount of skin was small and that laboratory DNA tests that might indicate who it came from had not been completed.

Peruvian authorities have charged the 22-year-old Dutchman with murder in the death of Stephany Flores, whose body was found June 2 in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot.


Bruises on Joran Van der Sloot seen here in this pic, think some of that skin not under Stephany’s nails?

One thing is for certain when it comes to the murder case of Stephany Flores vs. the Natalee Holloway one in Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot will not be released from prison due to any lack of evidence this time. Between communications, video, a confession even though it was later retracted and now DNA … Joran Van der Sloot finds himself in a world of trouble.

He can scream his rights were violated all he wants, Joran can whine that he was tricked into a confession, he can blame other in some grand conspiracy that he was lured to Peru to play poker … the fact remains no one made him kill Stephanie Flores in the violent manner he did. The fact that he committed the murder on the 5th anniversary of the disappearance and death is not lost in the equation.

A criminal with their back against the way and no hope in sight is going to try everything to lie their way out of the crime. What do they have to lose? The fact of the matter is that Joran Van der Slootis a sociopathth, he is not crazy … he is, however, crazy like a fox. Joran Van der Sloot gamed the Aruban system through many outside forces, now he thinks he can do the same in Peru.

“The immense narcissism of such patients convinces them that they can outsmart the system.”

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    54 Responses to “Joran Van der Sloot: DNA & Skin Found Under Murder Victim Stephany Flores’ Finger Nails”

    1. Roxy on June 25th, 2010 9:37 am

      I heard he will now be moved to Lurigancho Prison. Where the prisoners run the prison. His mother expects him to to make it out.
      After what he has been saying about being tortured and his right violated I suppose that now they will be violated for sure(so he knows the difference?) and he will surely be in for the full 35 (yay!!!)

    2. Roxy on June 25th, 2010 9:37 am

      I heard he will now be moved to Lurigancho Prison. Where the prisoners run the prison. His mother expects him NOT to to make it out.
      After what he has been saying about being tortured and his right violated I suppose that now they will be violated for sure(so he knows the difference?) and he will surely be in for the full 35 (yay!!!)

    3. Roxy on June 25th, 2010 9:51 am

      This is Elton Garcia? The Albanian…the one who is camera shy, who gambled with him, asked “got the woman?” and then called the Hotel which caused them to find the body of Stephany Flores.
      He is clever…but who is the Albanian????

      From the report:
      The 22-year-old Van der Sloot is now suggesting to the newspaper that he was lured to Peru by the FBI to facilitate extraditing him to the U.S. He claims a man named “Garcia” invited him to a poker tournament in Lima, Peru, where van der Sloot met Flores.

      “Garcia arranged and paid for everything for me. Looking back, I can’t believe I let myself be lured. I hardly knew that guy. It was just a setup,” the paper quoted him as saying.
      SM: Joran is a self serving murdering liar. He murdered Natalee and now he has murdered Stephany. How many other girls have been murdered by Joran? (klaasend)

    4. A Texas Grandfather on June 25th, 2010 10:02 am

      When a real investigation takes place rather than a cover-up by LE and the justice system in the ABC islands specifically Aruba, there is no where the lying sociopath can go to get out of this one.
      Viva Peru!

      Maybe, just maybe, Peru can acomplish for Natalee’s family what was so cruelly denied them in Aruba. When they get this piece of worthless humanity cornered far enough he may give them enough so that the truth can be assembled. I hope so.

    5. not surprised at all on June 25th, 2010 10:09 am

      Joran always tries to play himself off as an innocent rube.

      This guy has lived in the gutter for years. Trafficking women, doing drugs, etc., you know, the typical things rats in our society do.

      When you act like a rat, you get to have the company of rats. Rats usually aren’t nice to each other.

      I am sure Joran had a few times where he screwed over other rats….ya think?

    6. Scott on June 25th, 2010 10:14 am

      Roxy – JFC! This is more made up bologna by Joran and you are falling hook line and sinker for his sociopathic lies.

      It’s amazing in both cases he has come up with names of people that don’t really exist.

      Elton Garcia never said “got the woman.” Come on.

      Now all of sudden, it’s Elton Garcia’s; the FBI’s and everyone else fault that he BRUTALLY murdered this woman! Excuses Excuses Excuses.

      He’s a murderer plain and simple.

      He did HAVE scratches on his body. His DNA is on her body and will be under her fingernails.

    7. Donna from TN on June 25th, 2010 10:31 am

      If the DNA is Jorans (and we all know it is) it should be a slam dunk for the Peruvians.

    8. meemee on June 25th, 2010 10:44 am

      well im pretty sure the dna under STEPHANY’S nails is joran’s and after seeing the photos, this poor girl was tortured, and probably very scared. JORAN, your mama believes in KARMA, you, your buddies the Kalpoes, the Aruba authorities, it will all come back around to you. Justice for Stephany and Natalie, I do not believe one word out of this monsters mouth. Put him in the crappiest prison, no luxury items, lets see how long he last before we hear a whole new story. I dont even care if he was tortured or will be tortured, he deserves it.

    9. kaye on June 25th, 2010 10:54 am

      i saw this on Nancy Grace last night. she had a couple of numb-nut lawyers who said that the DNA might have been ‘planted’ and that if it comes back NOT jorans they won’t be able to prove anything. attention numb-nuts: this is not aruba, this is Peru… WILL come back as jvds’s DNA. betcha.
      like so many before me have said, he’s not going anywhere except straight to hell to be with papa sloot. just hope he can revel the whereabouts of nat’s body before he goes. not likely, but hoping.

    10. Angela on June 25th, 2010 10:56 am

      Glad to hear DNA was found under Stephany’s nails. Wasn’t sure if her attempts to defend herself would reap DNA under her nails, especially if Joran was fully clothed at the time. Bruises can occur under clothing. Photos show bruising on his front torso.

      The significance of DNA under Stephany’s nails signifies a struggle which contradicts Joran’s confession of “no struggle”. Bruising also indicates a struggle as an expert witness has said bruising doesn’t occur most mortem. We can expect more evidence to come which should poke holes in Joran’s “manslaughter” version. The real story may show a much more brutal event instead of the “sanitized” confession of hitting Stephany once.

      Now Joran seems to be focusing on ways to get the case dropped or verdict/outcome lessened. He’s been schooled already, from his father, about the difference in threshold between murder and manslaughter and how to look for cracks in the system to use for his defense.

      Joran’s private attorney has explained enough of the Peruvian judicial system to give his client avenues to pursue for his defense.

      I pray for justice for the young girl who fought so valiantly. That courage will play a pivotal role in revealing what truly happened in Joran’s hotel room. As brutal as the evidence may become it is necessary to show Joran’s crime, in full.

      Stephany is a hero. Her family is an example of “goodness” under horrible circumstances. I’m so sorry for their loss.

      In the end I believe he will be found guilty of 1st degree murder and robbery by the 3 Peruvian judges. He won’t be able to get out of this one. If his DNA is found under Stephany’s nails it seals his fate by directly linking him to Stephany at the time of her murder. JVDS’s karma is coming to the surface.

    11. Ed H on June 25th, 2010 11:23 am

      What an IDIOT

      if I were in jail in a foreign country I would be doing everything I can ,not to piss off the judge and police department. He is not wrapoed to tight. Have fun for the next 35 years in Peru. I wonder how many times you will be violated of your rights by the prison population. Tell mommy to send lots of vasoline

    12. Angela on June 25th, 2010 11:53 am

      I am surprised to read a statement made by the Flores’ family attorney, Edward Alvarez, on the RNW website indicating Joran had called Stephany’s cell phone prior to the night she followed him to his hotel room.

    13. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 12:27 pm

      test – spam muncher ate my post!

    14. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 12:28 pm

      Scott – Mike’s – Been more times than I can count! I Love it there, eating steamed crabs on the deck, dringing Carona and watching the boats on South River! Good Times! Another great place for Crabs is Scooter’s on Hwy 1 off of Hwy 100. BIG CRABS and the owner “Jimmy the Greek” mixes his own Spice! If you haven’t tried it you ought to but the ambiance is not what you get at Mikes!

    15. maryl on June 25th, 2010 12:36 pm

      DNA from skin cells under her fingernails. You don’t have to scratch hard to get skin cells.
      she just didn’t break the skin. i saw no marks on the jerk.

    16. YukonMax on June 25th, 2010 12:36 pm

      Wonder why I haven’t read any reports on Van der Slut displaying bruises and or scatches and cuts when he was medically checked? It would give the release of this finding a little more weight right now.
      SM: We actually haven’t heard any official reports out about Joran’s condition (klaasend)

    17. john alonso on June 25th, 2010 12:41 pm
    18. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 1:05 pm

      You know this narcissistic psycho is really in his heyday! Luxury accommodations! All the attention and notoriety! Daily interviews and marriage proposals. He’s surviving, his civil rights. As usual it’s All about him! Always playing the victim! Even with the tables turned and evidence stacked against him facing one of the toughest prisons in the world, no remorse, he is relentless!

      What is it going to take to bring this monster to his knees?

    19. chandu on June 25th, 2010 1:18 pm

      Van der Sloot has been watching to many TV detective stories. Killers, as a norm, don’t breakdown at the end confessing all. They go to trial based on evidence.

      Seems the damning evidence against Van der Sloot, although known to the Peruvian authorities, is being released bit by bit, likes nails pounded in a coffin.

      The coffee cup tape shows Miss Flores had already been murdered. Now we have this picture of Van der Sloot with scratches on his chest. If his DNA is found under her fingernails wouldn’t that indicate the shirt was off during the struggle?

      According to his story, the shirt was used to finish Miss Flores off by suffocating her. Would you remove your shirt while in a life ending struggle? Joran states:
      “Because I also had blood on my shirt. There was also blood on bed. So I took my shirt and I put it on her face and pressed hard to the point where I killed her — to the point where I killed Stephany.”

      It’s not “I took my shirt (OFF)”. I would have to look more towards a sexual crime. She was probably lured to the room using computer gambling as a ploy.
      You can see from the tape she was not comfortable walking by the desk or going into the room. Her vice was gambling.

      As with Natalee Holloway, possibly others in between, and now Miss Flores, Van der Sloot’s interaction with women when together alone is 2-dimensional. When on the prowl he uses the victim’s weaknesses, date rape drugs, or force. Don’t believe he accepts “no” as an acceptable reply.
      On the bright side, neither will his cell mates.

    20. Greg the Mongoose on June 25th, 2010 2:10 pm

      My friend just translated Joren’s tatoo from Dutch to English. It says, “Iam murdered.”
      “Iam vermoord” :-)

    21. Gail on June 25th, 2010 2:11 pm

      His mother has stated that she was having him committed to a psychiatric institution, scheduled for 2 days prior to his leaving for Peru. Has anyone checked to determine the validity of this statement? To which institution was he supposedly being committed – arrangements surely were already in place? And for what reason? If her story is true, then he was considered a large enough threat to have him committed, so why wasn’t he detained in some way awaiting transfer to the institution. And my biggest question is what did he do to finally push her into having him committed, if indeed that story is true? Could he have harmed / attempted to harm someone else and in another “protect Joran” move, he was given the choice of commitment because the authorities knew they couldn’t cover for him again?

      Also, and switching gears momentarily, by granting these interviews with Anita van der Sloot, they are in effect helping to pay for his defense since I think she gets paid for them. I believe I read that she was paid $100,000 for just one interview. And then his lawyer decided not to quit? Coincidence? I imagine that that would be a nice “retainer” for a defense lawyer. Suddenly his lawyer goes from wanting off the case, receiving threats, fearing for his safety, to zealously defending Joran. Money talks. Mrs. Van der Sloot has nothing helpful to discuss. I believe it is all a part of trying to establish an insanity defense. She wishes she could sit and talk with the victims’ families and “give them a big hug”? Oh please…..did no one see through that? Gain sympathy, empathize with her, sway the emotions of people to her family. I really wish no one else would interview her, as it is probably only serving to fund Joran’s defense. I digressed from my questions of has her story of having him committed been validated, and WHY…..what happened to resort to what would be a drastic, no other way out, measure for her / Joran? She can’t be as financially troubled as stated if she had the means to supposedly have him committed. I’m just saying………………

    22. Tanya on June 25th, 2010 2:43 pm

      Obviously thru his travels he has linked up with other women- Hello have any come forward? why not? where are they. I cant imagine he has not been with a woman in 5 years HELLO where are women he has met while doing his casino trips?

    23. Tanya on June 25th, 2010 2:44 pm


    24. kiltie on June 25th, 2010 3:26 pm

      Bet everyone involved (all the young men who hurriedly left Aruba, the police/judicial still there, the Kalpoes, etc.) can’t wait until he gets sent to Lugancho(sp?) prison and his final fate…dead men tell no tales.

    25. meemee on June 25th, 2010 3:26 pm

      good points gail, they should check her story out, and her phone records since she claims he called her while on the run, i dont believe a word out of her mouth, right now its about money, and Lisa is right, joran loves attention. throw him somewhere, really alone, no cell mate, no tv, no books, no computer, same food other prisoners eat, he will go nuts, he thrives on himself. LOCK HIM UP THROW AWAY THE KEY. i believe it was stated he met her several days before he killed her, so the phone call to her would not be surprising, i think he was stalking her because of her money.

    26. Sven on June 25th, 2010 3:28 pm

      Lisa: be careful (very) not to share personal locations info to a possible (whatever) on this site. Don’t go there!

      I Like your posts.

      But don’t disclose your geographical area. Joran has an avid nutso fan who lives in the DC area, and he was interviewed on TV – he could be as psycho as Joran or have more friends that are!

    27. Sven on June 25th, 2010 3:36 pm

      On Anita: She has finally caved to the overwhelming gruesome evidence (forensics and video tape) on Stephany’s murder. And yet, as conflicted as she is, she sent him clothes (thru the Dutch TV interviewer) and still says “He is not responsible for Natalee.” (Although she has finally, finally expressed compassion for Beth.) I hope (for her own soul and redemption), she will come to realize that, as he has been and is lying day after day about Stephany, he was also lying about Natalee. She still seems unable to cross that barrier into the truth. Hopefully, her brain will overcome her emotions eventually. And hopefully, so hopefully, I pray she will eventually tell what her husband and 2 younger sons told her about that night 5 years ago.

    28. Sven on June 25th, 2010 3:47 pm

      Gail, I hope that any monies received by Anita from interviews go not to Joran, but to the support and schooling of her 2 other sons. Can this woman give up on Joran finally and instead support the other 2 brothers? Or and why have and are all her efforts been directed down a dead end when she just might have 2 other sons who just might be able to be normal? Or will she be so blind-sighted, like Paulus was, to ignore Valentijn and Sebastian to treating them as non-persons for the sake of their older brother?

      Control of women (especially Anita) – did anyone else notice in many videos and photos 5 years ago, Joran towering above mom and always wrapping his arm around his mother – like he was the parent and she was the child? Very telling psychological body language. Who was and is the parent? Who controlled the family dynamics?

    29. ayfit on June 25th, 2010 3:53 pm

      WE can all rest. Joran is done. Prison in Peru is hell. Joran will be getting IT very soon if not already. The soap will drop. I am so relieved,he is where he is and not out on the prey. Anyone know if Joe T still represents him or not. For those who believed him? What say you now. Julia Renfroe,what say you?

    30. Sven on June 25th, 2010 3:55 pm

      I have moronically fed into my own “Oh, he got off in Aruba; somehow he’ll get away with it here” mentality. Shame on me! Naw, ain’t gonna happen. He will go down. And I do believe his cellmate has been given an offer for a reduced sentence to tell all he can get and tho he probably will get a trial so as not to upset the Dutch Embassy’s international relations, it’s all a smoke screen. He is going down. It’s just that we will have to wait 1-2 years for the trial. But be happy, within the time of the limit on extortion charges being presented in the US, Peru will deliver him to the US to stand trial, then it will be back to Peru (if still alive) and then return to the US to serve his time her for extortion. He is done!

    31. Sven on June 25th, 2010 4:03 pm

      Greg: Yes, the “literal” translation is “I am murdered” or “I am a dead man”. However, in some circles, it is also a slang expression, as in US gang language that can be interpreted as “I am a killer” or “I am a murderer”.

    32. flippy on June 25th, 2010 4:07 pm

      #21 -
      I don’t think it matters much. He is either competent to stand trial or he isn’t. His defense will try to suggest that he isn’t. Then they will show how is mistreated. In the end, they will try to drum up enough sympathy to get that treaty signed so he can serve time in the Netherlands.

      I think he has no hope of an “innocent” verdict here, so they are going to try the “technical/procedural issues” and the “look how I am mistreated” defenses and see what sticks.

    33. Sam on June 25th, 2010 4:21 pm

      In this picture, he looks like he’s praying for his dad to pluck him out of this situation, effect a miracle.
      Hey, sloot! You’re looking in the wrong direction!

    34. on June 25th, 2010 4:31 pm

      I can’t believe the statement that if the DNA under Stephany’s nails isn’t Joran, the Peruvian authorities have nothing!

      WHAT? There was a dead woman in his room. He was seen entering the room with a woman who turns up dead 3 hours later. He was seen leaving the room in a different shirt – faking going for coffee. He then left a few minutes later with his bags, her money and national ID car, and took her car.

      In his confession he talks about all the blood and his need to get out of there. How did he know that if he wasn’t there? Why did he describe suffocating Stephany with his shirt and his shirt was found around her head if he wasn’t there?

      DNA under Stephany’s nails is merely icing on the cake for a prosecutor.

    35. Sam on June 25th, 2010 4:38 pm

      That is disgusting what that tattoo means. He’s proud of what he is….a cold-blooded monster. He thinks that’s funny?

    36. meemee on June 25th, 2010 4:54 pm

      i dont see him going to the netherlands at all, not with the us. fbi case against him, FRANKLY, I DONT
      see Stephanys dad too keen on him leaving peru.
      sporter is wasting time, playing games, but as many of my friends on here have said, this aint aruba.
      please keep the gulf coast in your prayers we have a tropical storm entering the gulf this weekend. will be a mess. i dont talk politics, im talking the lives of animals, the beaches and the many jobs that will be lost. thank you.

    37. Maggie on June 25th, 2010 5:46 pm

      Was just announced…on Headline news.. cnn..

      Jean Casarez said.. The Judge has ruled Joran’s rights were not violated.

      Joran is not gonna walk from this.. dna under the fingernails or not.

      When Dave Holloway first arrived in Aruba.. like 3 days after Natalee was missing.. it was said he went to one police station, noone there even knew who Natalee Holloway was.. He went to a second police station.. they didn’t know who Natalee was..and they directed him to only one left.. Dave talked to Dennis Jacobs about his missing daughter, and cop Dennis Jacobs(PIG) said to him.. How much money do you have? Then he told him to go over to Carlos n Charlies and have a beer Natalee will turn up in a crack house or something.. Watch his drink, they might drug him.

      When Stephany Flores first was missing her family said they thought she was kidnapped.. just like Beth thought right off her daughter was kidnapped. Aruba laughed and made fun of Beth over saying that.. They even accused her of setting up her own daughters disappearance, all because she said kidnapped. Anita and Paulus was still peddling the story, she ran away from her terrible family.

      In Peru cops were all over the story when Stephany was reported missing. A few days later Joran was in custody..

      In Aruba 5 plus years later.. Joran and the Kalpoes were paraded around like rock stars.. Cops, spokespeople, Kalpoes, Joran, their parents were out trashing the victim and her family..lying, hiding.. witnesses missing, evidence all disappeared or was tampered with. Anything to keep Aruba from telling the truth. Aruba and Paulus, Anita created Joran..All those supporters who cheered at his behaviour. boys in groups going out after female young American tourists. Dennis Jacobs even knew they drug you at Carlos n Charlies.. He warned Dave about it. I remember when a book was gonna be written.. Deepak wanted to write one, but he said he wasn’t going to talk about Natalee, because noone gave a damn about her.

      All I see Aruba is a place to lure young girls to come party and be preyed on..

      Now they are gonna go talk to Joran.. stop the bs.. and stop playing mind games with Natalee’s family. Kalpoes with their fingers in their ears like they are talking about 2 brothers from Mars instead of Aruba..

      Not once did Peru say, go over there and have a beer to the Flores’s, she will show your drink.. she will turn up in a crackhouse or something.

      2 different countries, same situation.. outcome as different as day and night.

      btw Get Anita to come on free to talk to Dana, let us ask her questions.. bet it don’t happen. She just wants to peddle her big story she wrote out on paper in her mind, poor me, poor Joran.. One time she made a comment similar to Natalee is only one move on..why are people still on this story..

    38. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 6:54 pm

      Sven Thanks but I’m not in Maryland I moved last year but I’ve been posting here for more than 5 yrs and kept my original ID.

      Besides, I would do the World a big favor if this punk landed on my doorstep!


    39. kiltie on June 25th, 2010 8:03 pm

      The more horrific posts about Natalee’s disappearance are still so vivid in my mind, 5 years later, though I’m hard pressed to remember what I had for breakfast this morning. One thing I still recall vividly, the youngest Van der sloot boy had told someone there was a dead girl in the bathtub at home. If that young boy knew then, he knows now. I find it hard to believe he didn’t tell his mother when she arrived back from the Netherlands visit. I feel Anita must know the truth about Natalee, or a sanitized version thereof. Face your demons, Anita. It will set you free.

    40. Vinny on June 25th, 2010 11:07 pm

      kITIE .. Question? I never heard about the brother saying there was a dead girl in the bath tub at Sloots home? Can you explain? Is this the same brother Joran beat severly enough to have him hospitalized?

    41. john alonso on June 26th, 2010 6:43 am

      LOL the tatoo is in THAI and not in DUTCH….it say MAI PEN RAI….TRANSLATION = nevermind…Good translation by your dutch friend…

    42. kiltie on June 26th, 2010 9:06 am

      Vinny #40 – the dead girl in the bathtub was just mentioned somewhere way back at the beginning 5 yrs. ago and all I recall it was from the youngest son. I think he mentioned it at school to another kid. The horror of that image just stayed with me and I can’t recall which blog it was on…possibly this one, as it ran the best coverage. Maybe someone else on this blog can recall better than me.

    43. A Texas Grandfather on June 26th, 2010 10:28 am

      Sociopaths require a home environment that encourages their poor behavior. Telling lies and making up stories to make themselves more important usually begins at an early age and if not “nipped in the bud by parents”, it continues until something bad happens.
      I believe that Joran managed to become so dominating in his family that they were all afraid of him and what might happen if they told him no. Look what happened to the younger brother that he beat so bad he was hospitalized.
      A good parent would have immediately had him placed in a mental instution for a period of time following the beating of his brother.
      I also believe that Paulus was heavily involved in gambling,drugs and human trafficing. There is the distinct possibility that Joran was the schill to capture young women for the benifit of his father. If that is the case, and LE and the justic system in Aruba were in on it, it is no wonder that they would not do the right thing regarding Natalee’s disappearance.
      Anita had to know what her husband and Joran were involved with criminal activity.

    44. Frederic Nitz on June 26th, 2010 11:16 am

      What is confusing is why did he try to clean up the blood?

      My guess is that he was planning on taking the body and the linens with him but didn’t have enough room in his luggage.

      Then he had to come up with the fake coffee run to try to cover his tracks. Too bad for him that it didn’t work, but great for the rest of society.

    45. kiltie on June 26th, 2010 12:30 pm

      Isn’t it de ja vu…the last time with Natalee wasn’t there blood stained mattresses disposed of and new furniture and bedding brought to the Van der Sloot home. My thot’ was always that when Natalee was picked up, and Satish jumped out of the car at a second casino to make a call, he was alerting the young crowd that it was party time, and they all participated regularly in the victimization/rape of young, pretty, drugged tourists, and that it all went down in Joran’s apartment. Animals.

    46. vinny on June 26th, 2010 2:27 pm

      Thank you kiltie for your response.

      In JOran confession he said at first this began to happen after the first half hour they entered the room.

      I believed he had a long time to consider what he was going to do with the body. I believe he had her tied up and tortured her. I do not believe the murder was fast.

    47. vinny on June 26th, 2010 2:41 pm

      I believe the clean up was part of two plans. One to remove the body. Not possible. The other to confuse the detectives about the crime scene. Trying to remove or smear evidence of what actually happen.

      In his first crime with NH there was no physical evidence. He had help to dispose of everything. He knew it was important to cover a crime scene some how. The headboard of the bed looks to be at a slant

      DNA could possibly be SF scratching at ner neck to remove his hands from her throat. Or maybe he used his belt around her neck to strangle her for a while. There is a picture of him laughing while a young boy is trying to remove a very tight belt from around his neck.

    48. laticia on June 26th, 2010 4:05 pm

      this is his big time.Feeding his sick humunguos ego with variaty of non sense stories.We all think of his motive.Do not forget there is actually no motive–he just LOVE TO KILL…Reminds me Ted Bundy with many similar motions….

    49. Tanya on June 26th, 2010 4:33 pm

      DNA could be her grabbing his hair or a small scratch not visible by looking at him not necessarily from the face He more than likely hit her tied her up tried to strip her and she fought him. when he realized wrong time of month he was MAD AS HELL and she would not have stripped while on her period she obviously did not go there for sex he was maybe just picking up something she followed maybe she was gonna drive him somewhere- we are missing something- once the police find it his goose is cooked

    50. Tanya on June 26th, 2010 4:41 pm

      Vinnie you could be right could be hers

    51. Tanya on June 26th, 2010 4:42 pm

      That would prove she did not hit him he attacked her first

    52. Roxy on June 26th, 2010 8:51 pm

      Scott, No, You misunderstand, I’m definately not falling for Joran’s lies…I just wonder if Elton Garcia might have helped him commit the murder, or perhaps hatched a plan to rob her and then Joran took the ball and ran with it and robbed AND killed her as well. When you see photogs chasing Garcia, he acts guilty of something, perhaps a crime elsewhere he could be recognized for. Suspicious

    53. Frederic Nitz on June 26th, 2010 11:38 pm

      Roxy, I think if this is true, Joran would have already given Garcia up. He seems to be prone to doing that. In any event, only Joran was in the room with Stephany.

    54. moses on July 5th, 2010 5:58 pm

      Religion fathers morals, is Joran (Hebrew)jewish? We want to know all the data on this monster.

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