BREAKING NEWS: Judge Makes Ruling in the Joran van der Sloot Peru Murder Case


According to CNN reporters in Lima, the Supreme Court Judge has just ruled that there is NO MERIT to Joran’s complaint that his rights were violated!

There is NO MERIT to his COMPLAINT! Read the full google translated explanation of the ruling HERE.

It is also being reported that suddenly, the prosecutor in Aruba is wanting to speak with Joran ASAP

Justice for Stephany! Will there finally be justice for Natalee as well?

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    137 Responses to “BREAKING NEWS: Judge Makes Ruling in the Joran van der Sloot Peru Murder Case”

    1. Blonde on June 25th, 2010 5:58 pm

      No violation in Joran van der Sloots rights this decision is from Supreme court in PERU

    2. Carpe on June 25th, 2010 6:19 pm

      TITANIC. glug glug gluggggg

    3. Dragnet on June 25th, 2010 6:25 pm

      Aww poor wittle thing must have thought he was still in Aruba. Nice try. I think I’ll go have some Corn Flakes.

    4. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 6:33 pm

      HA HA Carpe

      No MERIT imagine that!!! NOT PUTTING UP WITH HIS BS.

      We’re not gonna take it
      No, we ain’g gonna take it
      We’re not gonna take it ANYMORE!

      I’m DANCING!!!

    5. Blonde on June 25th, 2010 6:37 pm

      Hasta la vista Joran

    6. Katerina on June 25th, 2010 6:37 pm

      What could possibly be so urgent now that the Aruban prosecutor has to speak to Joran ASAP? My guess is that he’s going to gag him so he doesn’t do any more bartering, Dompig must be squitting his pants.

    7. Greg the Mongoose on June 25th, 2010 6:46 pm

      Turn out the lights the party is over. :-)

    8. EURobert on June 25th, 2010 6:49 pm


    9. Buster on June 25th, 2010 6:51 pm

      Hey urin if you listen real hard you can actually hear the worlds smallest violin playing just for you !!!

    10. rathole on June 25th, 2010 6:52 pm

      Recurring pattern of Sloot killing girls who he picks up, confessing to the crime, then claiming his rights were violated.

      psycho killer

    11. Terryd on June 25th, 2010 7:00 pm

      Well it looks like the end of the trail for Aruba’s serial killer Joran.. Unhappy trails to him and hope to never hear from him again.. Yippee Yi yo yippee yi jo.. Rest in hell Joran, next stop hell..I guess the cowboys did get their man..

    12. Scared Monkeys on June 25th, 2010 7:07 pm

      Hey Joran, no merit … no escaping JUSTICE … you are going down!!!

    13. loca on June 25th, 2010 7:30 pm

      when will he be sent to laurigoncho???

    14. loca on June 25th, 2010 7:33 pm

      how long do yall think he will last before he is killed at this new prison?

    15. loca on June 25th, 2010 7:33 pm


    16. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 7:36 pm

      Co”mon guys you know ASAP in Aruban means anything from Next year to Never….

      Aruba had to submit a letter to Peru to be allowed to interview him. They just submitted it two days ago because we all know that they are bumbling idiots and it takes them two wks. to draft a simple request letter.

      The letter probably said the would like to interview him As Soon As Possible.

      Of course this now becomes NEWS BAIT!

      Did you hear that sicko mother talking oh so calmly about what a fine outstanding student he was! I almost got Ver Klept! Discuss!

    17. Ed H on June 25th, 2010 8:02 pm

      Hey prisoners of Peru. get ready for a big party. Joran is cum ing to town

    18. Susan on June 25th, 2010 8:03 pm

      Peru judge sees 6-month Van der Sloot trial

      LIMA, Peru – The chief of the Superior Court for Peru’s capital says the murder trial of Joran van der Sloot should take about six months. An independent expert says it actually might take 18.

      Van der Sloot is charged with murdering student Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on May. 30. He also remains the sole suspect in the unresolved 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

      Judge Cesar Vega told reporters on Friday that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for murder trial. But legal expert Mario Amoretti tells the Associated Press that in practice, cases like Van der Sloots can last 18 months.

      Criminal court attorney Jose Balcazar says the defense is likely to try to draw the trial out.

    19. Lisa in Maryland on June 25th, 2010 8:28 pm


      I’m laying odds on 10 days or less.

    20. Katerina on June 25th, 2010 9:08 pm

      #16 Lisa

      Anita’s speech REEKS of a PR firm. They’re releasing his cute little baby photos, talking about his school work as an honor student, how he loves sports, and her words are very slow and deliberate. She’s rehearsed that speech many times.

      In my day, guys like him called their conquests ‘sport f*&#ing’ (that aint fishing folks!) he’s brought it to a whole new level, sport killing.

    21. barbreee on June 25th, 2010 9:08 pm

      Aruba knows he will blab all the dirt on their secret underground creepy stuff that goes on there, and who did what to stop Natalee being allowed her constitutional rights, her due process, and her family’s right to justice.

      Karma can be a bitch when you don’t believe in her.

    22. Mike on June 25th, 2010 9:30 pm

      will there still be a trial if the judge does not allow the retraction of his confession? wouldn’t he be sentenced without a trial?

    23. glad2bAmerican on June 25th, 2010 10:35 pm

      Aruba is only interested in talking to Joran to protect their own butts! Don’t squeal Joran, or ALE will be in trouble for protecting his butt and will use his father’s image being destroyed if he talks. I’m sure they don’t care about his safety..but his past involves alot of cover-up!
      Neither Aruba or Anita feel sorry for his sickness
      Do the crime….do the time! Karma prevails!

    24. kayjay on June 25th, 2010 10:40 pm

      Can’t help wondering what would have happened if the Aruban so-called Justice Dept. had detained him after the extortion of money from bet is that they would have found yet another excuse to let him go. It was hardly a surprise that he told another string of lies to John Q. Kelly when he thought he was going to get the rest of the xtortion money. Too bad they can’t use truth serum on him…might be the only wat Beth and Dave would ever know where Natalie really is. It is a terrible tragedy that another poor girl had to die as a result, and all his sow of a mother can do is still make excuses for him and say he is insane! I wish her a long and miserable life with plenty of time to think of what a piece of crap she raised. It’s too bad that PVDScum isn’t here to witness what will happen to his precious son now.
      Thank you Peru for not buying his vile lies and deceit.

    25. Vinny on June 25th, 2010 11:17 pm

      I have read that even when there is a confession there is still a trial. The only difference is it take less than six months instead of two years to prepare.

      I keep wondering about SF knees being red. If in fact they where. I see her on her knees when he delivers the chop to her nose. On her knees cause he was forcing her to have oral s–.

      I think he also tortured her there seems to be cig burns on hand and neck. And her right wrist looks as if there is a white tie still on it. The hand it self is whiter than you would expect it to be as if the circulation was cut off before she died.

    26. Darleen on June 25th, 2010 11:18 pm

      Perhaps the Aruban prosecutor sees the writing on the wall in Peru and wants to speak to that murderer to tell him to keep quiet before they all go down with him.

    27. Vinny on June 25th, 2010 11:22 pm

      I think he cleaned up after she was dead so it was not obivious what had occured. The crime scene would have been more difficult to evaluate.

      Viva Peru.

    28. Vinny on June 25th, 2010 11:25 pm

      Garcia said he played poker with SF in his room. Garcia introduced SF to Joran. I believe that Joran looked SF on the computor and then stalked her since the 27th.

    29. loca on June 25th, 2010 11:56 pm

      thank you for responding! I certainly hope he gets to laurigancho(spelled right) ? lol
      He will be where he needs to be as often referred there as:
      the gates of hell.

    30. loca on June 26th, 2010 12:03 am

      I can only imagine pauulus his daddy turning in his grave, right about now. Watching his evil spawn self destruct. I can even bet if joran starts naming names! that anita will wished she had a hole big enough for her fat arse to hide in!! because her bridges will be burnt behind her and she will not be able to hold her head high.
      just my thought.

    31. A Texas Grandfather on June 26th, 2010 12:14 am

      I don’t think he knows all the creepy stuff in Aruba. This is a dirty little island where all kinds of criminal activity takes place.
      However, he probably knows all the players that protected his murder of Natalee and perhaps some of the players in the drug and human trafficing activities.
      Will the Aruban authorities ever do the right thing regarding Natalee? Maybe, but based on their past behavior, I doubt it.
      The best thing that can happen if the don’t co-operate is to shut down their turrist traffic.
      No airplanes,cruise ships or any other form of turrist activity including closing the hotels.
      It will be tough on the innocent people, but when they realize that their LE and justice system is so corrupt maybe some of them will have the guts to clean it up.

    32. Tanya on June 26th, 2010 1:15 am

      Yeppers Aruba is running scared DAMAGE control team on its way what a disgrace I know mr selfish ass Joran aint going down alone he will take others with him

    33. meemee on June 26th, 2010 4:33 am

      your toast joran

    34. Brenda in Virginia on June 26th, 2010 5:51 am

      No, Aruba is only UNinterested in Natalee’s case being solved. they do not want the world to know what filthly corrupt murders they are. (As if the world doesn’t!)

      Only way I can see they’d solve anything down there is if it was by throwing Paulus under the bus along with his spawn. Try to make it appear those 2 did all on their own. but I doubt that seriously as the boys mouth would open and spill back on them. Not sure what they want to do other than save face since it’s clear there are no men in Aruba. Just a bunch of neutered sissies.

      Least the Perviun justice system has a nice set and is not afraid to see justice done ;>)

    35. Follow the logic on June 26th, 2010 8:04 am

      I wonder how long it will be for one of these aruba goof balls to pay his cell mate to shut him up pemenantly and do themselves a favor… opps… Opppsss.. cats out of the bag now…LOL

    36. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 8:10 am


      As I recall the original report said: if convicted he will be sentenced to Lurigancho but, they were detaining him at Castro, Castro because they do not have an appropriate detention cell at Lurigancho. I may be wrong, it wouldn’t be the first time but that is what I recall.

      Wolfgang & MeeMee

      Yes, YOU WERE SO RIGHT, you did see knives! They do allow the prisoners to have Knives at Lurigancho! My 10 day odds are getting lower by the minute!

      YES, Let him enter the GATES of HELL with 10,000 Criminals Brandishing Knives! Great Sentence!

    37. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 8:30 am

      Hi Texas Grandfather! Nice to read you again!

      I think you are right about Joran not knowing as much as we give him credit for!

      The Big problem for Aruba is they don’t know what he does and does not know or what he will reveal maybe even by speculation or chance. They don’t know what Paulus told him and I’m sure Paulus knew a lot of what the real criminal situation on Aruba was up to the time of his death.

      Does anyone know who the current Aruban Prosecutor is? All of the reports say the “Aruban Prosecutor” but they never reveal a name as to who holds that position. Is it someone we are aware of or someone who may have been involved in the initial cover up? I’d like to find out who this person that is going to be questioning him is.

      I’m so very satisfied that Peru has told him the confession will stay on record and his rights have not been violated! It’s the best we could hope for.

      Peru is doing a great job of dotting their I’s and crossing their T’s.

      VIVA PERU!

    38. on June 26th, 2010 8:38 am

      #18 I can’t imagine Joran’s trial needing more than about 60 minutes. Watch the videos, introduce the confession, show pictures of Joran’s room, a little testimony from the cab drivers (he supposedly told at least one that he’d murdered someone), introduce his taking Stephany’s money, national ID card and car. Perhaps identification of DNA under Stephany’s nails. What’s left?

      I imagine a few people in Aruba want to send Joran some hush money; perhaps that’s their interest right now.

      #30 Not sure Paulus (no body no crime) wouldn’t be proud of his boy – other than he got caught with the body this time.

    39. Mike on June 26th, 2010 9:06 am

      I guess they mean 6 months before they actually start the trial. I cannot see what would take 6 months after they start. I really wouldn’t care how long it took it he was already in with the general population. Go ahead and stick his ass in the GP and they probably will not have to even worry about a trial.

    40. Mary on June 26th, 2010 9:55 am

      Bye Bye Joran, Joran Goodbye.
      Anita, time to hang your head and cry. You should be forever ridden with pain for the families of these two innocent girls your murdering son believed he had the right to kill.
      He is now where he belongs and I know in Peru he WILL be punished for his crimes.
      You Anita, would have been smart to have done away with this hideous offspring as soon as Aruba pretended he was not involved. You are a perfect example of what a mother is NOT supposed to be!
      Joran, you moron, the time has come to face your final losing hand…..ha ha ha from the USA and around the world….Bye Bye Joran! (I hope its televised so the innocent families can see that justice has finally been served.)

    41. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 10:53 am

      Katablog, you forgot the computer and the incriminating fact that he RAN!

      But you are right, the way the deck is stacked against him how long could it possible take.

      Even if they were to throw out half of the all of the evidence there is still sufficent evidendce to convict him.

    42. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 11:21 am

      I think an insanity plea is going to be totally out of the question since he proved rational thinking by trying to clean up the crime scene, trying to concoct a cover story with his notorious coffee break, mentioning to hotel staff not to wake his girl, moving her car, going on the run and dying his hair. These are all sane movements of a criminal or someone who can rational that he has done wrong and can distinguish the difference between right and wrong.

      I heard someone say they would probably defend the case as a “Fit of Rage”. That will be easily refuted with a timeline and the confession vs. computer log if the computer log doesn’t show them logged in.

      This is why I keep saying that him running and that computer log are very important pieces of evidence.

      He made way to many mistakes and Anita is purely wasting her time trying to provide him with an insanity plea defense.

      Even “A Fit of Rage” defense won’t get him off of murder! I’m not totally sure but, I think it would only lessen the charge to manslaughter.

    43. Frederic Nitz on June 26th, 2010 11:35 am

      I think the consumate liar is going to have a hard time coming up with a believable one this time.

      He better get himself ready to hunker down for a long, long time.

    44. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 12:43 pm

      The best think that Anita could send Joran in her next care package is a K-Bar! Look’s like he’ll need it where he’s going!

      Who knows he’s been such a menice to society maybe he can help Peru with the overcrowding situation at Lurigancho!

    45. Mike on June 26th, 2010 12:50 pm

      Van der Sloot at the time of his confession had, in addition to a lawyer, a Dutch-Spanish interpreter approved and vetted by the Dutch Embassy.

      For him to claim he didn’t know what he was signing or that his confession was coerced is nothing more than the usual ‘blame everyone but me’ Joran.

      The only thing Joran is good at besides violence is manufacturing a pretense that he is the victim.

    46. Brenda on June 26th, 2010 1:53 pm

      Lisa in MD,

      They did a psych-exam on him. Dutch-boy is sane and can tell right from wrong. Problem is he doesn’t care. I only put a tiny portion below, and more of this exam can be found, but I didn’t go looking too far.

      Nancy Grace had a show not long ago on it. Try searching her transcripts as they went into great detail.


      Accused murderer Joran van der Sloot is sane, but has a tendency to disrespect women and “is indifferent” when it comes to the welfare of others, according to his official police psychological evaluation made public today.

      The official psych exam, obtained by, conducted on van der Sloot finds that the 22-year-old Dutchman is sane, but raises several red flags.

      The forensic psychologist who evaluated van der Sloot said the Dutchman “at the time of evaluation, does not show pathological disorders that prevent [him] from perceiving and evaluating reality,” according to the paperwork obtained by RadarOnline that was posted on their site.

      But, according to the report, van der Sloot “denotes an average intellectual level,” “presents traces of an antisocial personality,” and “is indifferent when it comes to the welfare of others.”

      The report also said van der Sloot displays “poor social awareness that is evident in the violation of the rules.”

      The report also claims he “devalues” women, although it does not elaborate.


    47. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 2:03 pm

      HA Ha Ha

      Alot of times Actors put themselves in situtation where they can study the part they will play so Anita maybe Joran is just preping himself for the next Martin Scosasee thriller!

      I just watched Shutter Island! Joran – Leonardo you are not!

    48. sherry on June 26th, 2010 2:10 pm

      Kalpoes…you better be listening up! Time to tell all before your boy Joran does it for you and TO you!

    49. david r on June 26th, 2010 2:11 pm

      I think the judge intends to throw the book at him.

    50. Tanya on June 26th, 2010 3:42 pm

      DEEPAK and SATISH KALPOE must be shaking in their boots just about now

    51. Sven on June 26th, 2010 4:28 pm

      Mike: Excellent excellent point and question – Now that his confession is valid, can the judge sentence him without a trial? I hadn’t thought of that!

      Lisa: I love your posts; but gosh darn don’t quote my favorite band of all time “the Who” and even put them in the same room as this monster. But I got your meaning!

      And to whoever said “Happy Trails to You” – hey, that’s my childhood heroes – Roy Rogers and Dale Evans – again, let’s not put them in the room either! But yea, I got your meaning, too!

      Thought: Psychological report said Joran doesn’t like to be challenged and doesn’t take the word “No” very well. Do you think he’s throwing his green peas and feces against his jail room cell right now that the judge said “No, Joran, you’ve been a very bad boy and you don’t get to leave your room!” I’d love to be a fly on that jail cell wall! And I’ll bet one thing that’s really pissing him off is he’s not gonna get the chance to weave his tale(s) in front of the courtroom audience. The worst punishment I can imagine is no one from the media is allowed to visit him and he is prevented from spinning tales to any and all visitors.

    52. vinny on June 26th, 2010 4:31 pm

      I don’t believe the murder was in a fit of rage. In a confession he said she died immediately part of his alibi. I believe he stalked her. Looked her up on his computer. Knew she had money. Wanted to get her pin numbers. I believe he tortured her. First Degree Murder.

      viva Peru

    53. Sven on June 26th, 2010 4:32 pm

      Terryd: and your other reference Yipee-I-O- get along little doggies” was my favorite tv series Wagon Train – got that one, too.

    54. Sven on June 26th, 2010 4:42 pm

      I hope many people in Aruba who are even remotely connected to the Holloway case begin covering their asses and talking to lawyers and a few start to make plea deals (not with Aruba, but with the Netherlands), ie, perhaps, kalpoes, govt. officials and even members of Joran’s family. Once the first person with knowledge of a possible cover-up comes forward and gets the best plea deal, others may follow suit.

    55. Sven on June 26th, 2010 4:52 pm

      Anita, Anita, Anita: All these past 5 years, you have supported your “prodigal” son and ignored the needs and withheld support of your “hopefully” other 2 normal sons. After 5 years of “neglect”, do you think that whatever they heard that night at home listening and observing Joran and Paulus on the night that Natalee disappeared they may now come forward with – especially and if Aruban authorities call them in to question them?

    56. Sven on June 26th, 2010 4:57 pm

      Question: What clothing did Stephany have on or not have on? I have heard two versions of her above-the waist: – (1) her t-shirt was off and she was covered with Joran’s shirt and still had a bra on; and (2) she was wearing her t-shirt. Does anyone know?

    57. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 5:21 pm

      I hope you didn’t misunderstand me – I believe he is a cold blooded psychopathic murderer and actually gets off on his actions. But I think his lawyer will try to defend his actions as a Fit of Rage defense vs. insanity plea because the evidence and the evaluations discount an insanity plea.

      Your right the Who is too good for him but I got so excited and jubilent that someone on this planet finally told him NO that it was the first thing that came to mind.

      You know I can’t be half bad if the Who is what I like to celebrate to :) ~

    58. USS Yorktown on June 26th, 2010 5:49 pm

      I think Joran was motivated by robbery and wanted Stephany Flores’s money. He needs money to maintain his “playboy” life style.

    59. Lisa in Maryland on June 26th, 2010 6:22 pm

      Sherry & Tonya,

      Wouldn’t it be great if we could bag the K2 Dirtbags!

      If Aruba ever got a prosecuter with some balls and willing to clean the place up they could pull K2 in for questioning saying Joran implicated them! Alas, Aruban prosecutors don’t have balls and they are all currpt and on the take. Soo all we have is the…

      Best Kalpoe One Liner submitted by Carpe,

      The good news is the Kalpoe`s are still worthless and have nothing. They still couldn`t get laid in a monkey whorehouse with a fist full of bananas!

      I just love that one, Three days later I’m still rollin! Yes, at times, I’m easily amused! You gotta admit he comes up with some real hum-dingers!

    60. Maggie on June 26th, 2010 8:32 pm

      Where are you now.. Mr. Jan Van Der Straten..What happened to all the evidence of murder..


      MILLER: I’ve spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution.

      Where are you now Gerald Dompig..

      Where are you now Karin Janssen..


      July 1, 2005

      Janssen said the prosecution was centering its case around e-mail and cell phone text messages written between the suspects the night Holloway disappeared. Janssen declined to offer further details about the messages, but said not having a body would make getting a murder conviction “more difficult but not impossible.”

      GERALD DOMPIG,2933,158598,00.html

      Police said Saturday that three men have become “the most important lead” in the case of the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba – and vowed that “there will be developments” in the next few days.

      “We are working diligently,” Domping said. “I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend.”

    61. meemee on June 26th, 2010 8:52 pm

      i agree with you lisa , carpe, just makes me smile with his one liners, lets all hope joran gets transferred and soon, its gonna be a good good night

    62. Roxy on June 26th, 2010 8:56 pm

      Can’t wait for him to be sent to laurigoncho for 35….
      odd that the Arubans now are in an all fired hurry to talk to him…could it be that when stressed he starts spilling the beans?

    63. nychic on June 26th, 2010 9:08 pm

      Sven -

      Reports from Peru state that Stephany was found with the Pig’s shirt on and underwear -
      Not with his shirt draped over her as first reported -

      I said this earlier and I feel that in his sick mind he wanted her to be found with his shirt on -

      That way it would appear that she was waiting for him to return to the room – sort of like they had some sort of relationship –

      I’m sure The Psycho will try to say that during the 2 days he was on the run that some other crazy person entered the room (which we all know NEVER happened) IMO this is how that AssHole’s mind works

    64. kitty on June 26th, 2010 9:26 pm

      #58. I feel that was partly his motivation and that Joran wanted blood revenge on the 5th Anniversary of Natalee’s death. (it was 5 years to the day since Natalee’s missing (death) and since Beth, Natalee’s Mom was opening a center on her late daughters behalf… *(5th Anniversary)… it further helped push his agenda ~ Joran was feeling cocky since he extorted huge amounts of money from Beth ~ his funds low, (due to his lifestyle as you mention)… he was also out to kill ~ to turn the attention on himself…and torturing is where he seemingly gets off best ~ (agree with Vinnie here too and most likely stalked her as well)…

      He’s no doubt one sick, sick demented SOB and Stephany was unfortunately ~ his next victim…he apparently had tidal maps on him (very telling on how Natalee was disposed of) ~ he was NOT insane, he is one cold, calculated murderer…and he blew it.

      ~ that poor girl must of fought for her life, no doubt ~ based on the bruising and finding flesh//DNA of Joran under her nails… shows a struggle ensued… and it’s sickening…so, so, sad ~ Bless her family for their loss…

      He’s (Joran) is coming to the realization that his incarceration is very unlike his experience in Aruba… where he could walk away from his jail time… not once, but twice… this time, he’s got NO one to bust him outta prison & the realization of him not going to be released is setting in…and maddening…he’s scrambling and desperate now ~ he’s pulling all stops to try and get out and it’s NOT working… nothing is working and he’s finally facing the music.

      Fit of rage? This guy freaking lives in rage mode ~ that’s a given… cold calculated murderer… absolutely ~ (maps)… he planned this and got caught. No where to run, no where to hide and this ain’t Aruba, baby!

      There are probably more victims ~ and I doubt the K2′s will rat him out because they’ve been silenced for fear of their own lives. Why they’ve not been re-arrested for accessories to murder is unconscionable! Perhaps, that will be forth coming. (the computer will be very, VERY telling of his activities and human/drug trafficking)… it’s all coming to light. He’s freaked on that one ~ surely, there’s a lot hidden there… that computer will be very telling of his activities around the world…

      Take your sweet time, interpol, FBI, LE…Peru Judges… there’s a lot more to this sad saga, a LOT more…(sadly)…

      Viva Peru! Fortunately, these Judges are not paid off corrupt dummies or puppets. Joran miscalculated his moves on this one and never saw the results coming ~ karma’s a bitch ~ what goes around comes around as they say…and truth typically rises to the surface. and #49… not only will the Judges throw the book at him, they’re going to throw away the key to his cell… and he knows it.

      This is just his next desperate attempt to save himself… the house of cards finally fell ~ this time, he can’t win the hand he dealt himself with…

      I find it interesting that not one of his Pappa’s cronies have come forward and there is no-one speaking out from Aruba that are willing to save his sorry a$$ ~ the silence is deafening… no one is coming to his rescue now…

      Don’t want to associate the greatest singer of all times with you know who… however, Stuck in Castro, Castro prison ~ (Folsom Prison)… another song title: Desperado ~

    65. vinny on June 26th, 2010 9:45 pm

      Lisa I believe you are correct with what his lawyer will present. I think his confession was a lie. He did include the elbow to the nose, strangled for a minute (I think with his belt for a longer period of time because of the marks on her neck) and the asphixation because he knows they have the evidence from ME.

      I am hoping that PLE will provide a completely different event senario including the lenght of time it took to accomplish her death. I don’t think it was fast. I think he took his time.

    66. Frederic Nitz on June 26th, 2010 11:33 pm

      It is very difficult, if not impossible to suffocate someone with a shirt, just as it is with a pillow. That only happens in Hollywood. It also takes a lot longer than most people think: many, many minutes, even with an effective method.

    67. Tanya on June 27th, 2010 7:10 am

      who is Maximo Altez his so call laywer nothing b4 Joran? WHO IS HE? Is he sane trying to get this monster out?

    68. Susan on June 27th, 2010 7:10 am

      Let’s see Urine van der Slut try to wiggle his way out of cold blooded murder when the DNA results come in. Thank God for the technological advances of today!

    69. Waterboy on June 27th, 2010 8:28 am

      I watched the video of Anita talking about Natalee’s case, and I’m not buying it. She said that Paulus (called him Paul) told Joran, “If you know anything, you have to tell the truth.”

      I’m sorry, but I’m not buying. Paulus, and Anita did everything possible to hide, conceal, and sanitized the truth. Paulus had Joran’s confession thrown out.

      I wish she would come clean and reveal the truth. She knows everything, what happen and where Natlee is (was).

      Maybe when they sock Joran away for life, and she knows there is no hope of the little (reference to parts of his anatomy) monster returning to Aruba, she will come clean.


    70. bloodhound on June 27th, 2010 8:41 am

      Well.well, I’m not worthy of posting here huh?I have to have have my account deleted,thanks,but didn’t hurt me as you might have thought.this post feel free to delete.I have come accross something very interesting,delete my posts if you guys feel they are out of context,fine,but your no different than me or many others like is a reminder of your own past.which by the way I agree with 100 percent. (EDIT – RED)

    71. barbreee on June 27th, 2010 10:16 am

      Waterboy, you’re right on the money with the Paul demanding Joran come clean. It was either a show put on for her benefit in 2005, or her show put on for benefit of the son’s current defense strategy. Pretty easy to put words in a dead man’s mouth.

    72. Lisa in Maryland on June 27th, 2010 11:57 am

      Considering that he had already hit her in the nose, knocked her unconscious and she may have been choking on her own blood. In that situation it wouldn’t take too much to suffocate a person. I believe it’s been said a human can drown in two tablespoons of water.

      I do agree he lied in his confession the missing piece is… nothing was said about the baseball bat or tennis racquet. It was reported in the beginning and there was a question as to the translation of whether it was a bat or a racquet but neither has been mentioned since his confession.

      What I really think would be next to impossible is to knock someone’s eye out of its socket with your bare hands. Much easier to explain if you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat don’t you think?

    73. Lisa in Maryland on June 27th, 2010 12:37 pm


      I just hate to think that there could be a May 30 connection and a possibility of more murders but you may very well be correct.

      It’s really hard to discount the notion even without actual proof since this parasite has been globe trotting in places where human trafficking is considered the norm.

      I seriously hope someone is looking into it. Especially his where abouts on that date!

    74. Lisa in Maryland on June 27th, 2010 12:48 pm

      There is always some greaseball lawyer out there trying to make a name for himself willing to defend anyone. As in the case with Joe Taco it doesn’t have to be a good name just as long as the palm gets greased the name is just free advertising! And they all say the same thing “I was just doing my job” Problem is they chose the profession so that gives us some character insight as to who they really truely are!

    75. Frederic Nitz on June 27th, 2010 1:02 pm

      I agree but in the autopsy, I didn’t read about the eye. I wonder if that was just part of the early rumors.

      There was a Prince tennis raquet in the room. The spanish is confusing because they use the same word for a baseball bat as a tennis raquet.

      I wonder if he strangled her with a belt or something or wrapped the shirt around her neck.

      It does take a long time to strangle someone though, way more than a minute.

      I know she had a blow to the head and was strangled which are listed as the causes of death.

      She also had a fractured skull and could have died from that.

      From the autopsy:
      The dead presents traumatic lesions on the face, a bruise on the scalp, cranial fracture, traumatic lesions on the neck, thorax, and scrapes over different areas of the body.

      In any case, it’s a pretty violent way to die.

    76. Frederic Nitz on June 27th, 2010 1:19 pm

      This is not a forum for racism. If you agree with ((edit)) and what they espouse in their archaic beliefs, go post over there.

      Here, we are trying to find justice for Natalee and Stephany.
      SM: I don’t want links to that site here so I removed it from your post. Please do not post or direct anyone to that site again. (klaasend)

    77. NewGirlBoston on June 27th, 2010 2:24 pm

      346—Interesting info about the little Sporter’s Psych exam. He is definetly going down and just grasping at straws right now.

      Aruba must be in full panic mode. My heart still goes out to the family of Natalee Holloway… appears as if justice will never take place. When Joran VDS finally bites the dust, he will take all his dirty little secrets with him.

      #69—Waterboy—Of course Mama Sloot is lying and full of it. She knew over 5 years ago what her Son and Husband did and went in to full tilt denial mode then. Absolutely disgusting, too that ABC et al have already paid this woman over 100,000 for her exlcusive story. The entire thing is a boatload of BS, and she can tell her lies to a Peruvian Judge. Her Son will never see the light of day again, and if she had one morsel of decency in her entire Dutch body—instead of whining and crying about how her life turned out—she would attempt to clear her families name and think of the families of the VICTIMS that the Monster she gave birth to murdered.


      Justice for Stephany Flores Ramirez

      Viva Peru!


    78. Maggie on June 27th, 2010 2:51 pm

      VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s interesting because he has not said anything about a sexual encounter, and authorities have said there was no sexual encounter. However, Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, her pants were off and there are those who have speculated that the cops dropped the ball by not charging him with attempted sexual assault because her jeans were off. She was in her little red panties and the jeans were not covered in blood, which would indicate they were taken off before she was attacked.

      WENDY MURPHY, FMR. PROSECUTOR: That`s exactly right. And, you know what, the fact remains that a tiny bit of skin cells under fingernails even if it`s a match could be explained by relatively casual contact. I mean, what if she hugged him? What if she was giving him a back rub? So, I don`t think it`s necessarily per se the nail in the coffin, but I will say this, his only possible defense, I suppose, was somebody else was in there and killed her because we didn`t have a videotape of what went on in the room. We know that the two went in. Only one came out and the other one ended up dead.

      But to the extent there`s nobody else`s DNA in the room, then by process of elimination alone, with or without a confession — and I think the confession will stick — he`s gone. There is no defense here. And by the way, his confession was so soft peddled. Oh, I bumped her in the nose with my elbow, and oops, you know, accidentally suffocated her. Are you kidding me? He`s so meekly confessed to only the littlest bit of information to cover himself. So, he knows that a confession might give him a discount in punishment. How do you —

      VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy —

      MURPHY: How do you browbeat that kind of confession —

      VELEZ-MITCHELL: If a confession can be contradicted by the physical evidence like the preponderance of blood, can then the defense argue that it was just one of his lies and use that as an argument to have the confession thrown out?

      MURPHY: Well, no. You know what I think, it`s actually going to happen is they`re going to show this forensic evidence, the super bloody mess that this was was not an elbow to the nose. She did not have a nosebleed to death, OK? They`re going to say because you didn`t confess credibly, we`re not giving you that discount in punishment that other people have gotten in the Peruvian legal system when they do confess credibly. So, that`s why he`s going to get in trouble.

      It was reported both of Stephany’s eyes were blacked.. My guess is he punched in her the face repeatedly. He said he elbowed her in the nose.

    79. Frederic Nitz on June 27th, 2010 3:13 pm

      SM: I agree. Will not link.

    80. Frederic Nitz on June 27th, 2010 3:25 pm

      SM: There is still a link in #70. That’s how I found it in the first place.
      And you can delete these posts if you want. I don’t care and it would probably be a good idea.
      I wanted that guy to know he wasn’t welcome here.
      Thanks for this website, by the way.

    81. Sven on June 27th, 2010 4:31 pm

      I watched Nancy Grace on Saturday (I think it was a repeat of Friday’s show) where she aired many of the interviews with Beth regarding Aruba updates, etc. What astounded me and I hadn’t really realized until now is that Aruba had and still has the legal right to charge Joran, the kalpos and others with several crimes related to the investigation. I won’t go into details, but right now today, they can arrest charge and most probably would be able to convict several individuals of crimes related to the investigation. And yet, still they do nothing!

    82. Lisa in Maryland on June 27th, 2010 4:55 pm

      WOA, Woa, Woa, Back up the Banana truck! I think I fell off somewhere!

      I know the investigators originally reported to HLN that the murder weapon was a baseball bat translating to Tennis Racquet. Is that not being considered the murder weapon now?


      I read that she was beaten so severely that her eye was removed from its socket.

      Now, I don’t believe everything I read but I never read anything discrediting these early reports.

      The autopsy report I read was a summary.

      Am I off here?

    83. vinny on June 27th, 2010 5:56 pm

      When you look at the picture of the face post morteum the right eye seems to be bulging from its socket. The picture is not clear and you only see a profile of the face but I do not see an eye ball hanging out.

      Intercarnial pressure from the secondary bleeding from the skull fracture is one thing to consider. In young people the brain encompasses almost all the boney skull leaving no room for any bleeding so pressure builds and pushes out and down. Secondary bleeding from the ear relieves some of the pressure. Some with skull fractures display raccoon eyes (both eyes blacked) secondary to bleeding.

    84. vinny on June 27th, 2010 6:07 pm

      I have never seen a skull fracture causing an eye bulging. Cause in the medical setting all attempts are made to relieve the pressure.

      I have to look up eye buldging and hanging or a tight ligature around the neck prior to death. You don’t die of a skull fracture immediately. Enough pressure would have to build up to put pressure on the base of the brain and cause resp arrest.

    85. wolfgang on June 27th, 2010 6:12 pm

      Sunday evening and I am in withdrawal from lack of new info about Joran VDS…all TV shows is old stuff. I want to know exactly when Aruba is sending someone to question him about Natalee; I think they better hurry as his outlook for a long life is not so good.

    86. Frederic Nitz on June 27th, 2010 6:14 pm

      I am pretty sure Aruba has the legal right to prosecute. What they don’t have is evidence that a crime was committed, so I doubt that they would.
      Bottom line is all they have is conflicting statements from the three people last seen with her. That will never hold. Paulus said it best: “No body, no crime.”

      They also do not have an extradition treaty with Peru so even if they filed charges, they could not get Joran back to Aruba except if he did so willingly.

      The US on the other hand does have extradition with Peru, so the FBI could nab him on the extortion if Peru turned him loose.

    87. Frederic Nitz on June 27th, 2010 6:24 pm

      No, I think you are spot on.

      They are testing the tennis raquet for DNA but I think that if an eyeball was out of its socket, it would have been noted. I guess we’ll have to wait for the full report or the trial.

      Her brother did say that she was not recognizable so she must have been pretty traumatized and if that were the case the eyeball would be a big factor. I just haven’t seen anything to reinforce that original report.

      The official cause of death was a blow to the head and strangulation.

    88. Waterboy on June 27th, 2010 6:58 pm

      I for one hope they keep Joran in isolation and safe, long enough for him to spill the beans on all in Aruba.

      Of course, who would believe him anyway?

      If however, he discloses the location of Natalee’s body; and she is found, then his story would have some credibility. If Paulus cremated Natalee’s body, they lost some true bargaining power. I bet they never thought that far ahead. Would any of us? (With other details of our lives—not murder)

      When and if he starts squealing maybe, just maybe, there will be some prison sentences handed down to others. Perhaps there is some other undiscovered evidence, possible some videos that remain hidden or Natalee’s jewelry she was wearing that night.

      I think Joran knows that any hidden evidence is worth a lot of money. It won’t be useful to him, but maybe he will think of his brothers or his mother.

      Quite frankly, I don’t think Joran ever thinks of anyone else, only of his own needs and desires. He is extremely egocentric (we all are, just not to the pathological degree we see in Joran).

      I believe that Paulus was more involved than just to cover up after his son, and I think the casino video(s) reveal his true motives. Anita was gone with the two younger boys; there was no one at the house. This is pure speculation, pure speculation.

    89. Lisa in Maryland on June 27th, 2010 8:15 pm

      Thanks Fredric & Vinny – I thought I missed something. You know you read so many things sometimes it’s hard to sort.

      It may be pure speculation but that’s all we have for the time being and isn’t it strange how many of us agree with that same speculation!

      You know you can fool some of the people, some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time or so the saying goes. Of course, as with everything this does not apply to Aruba where they are all fools all of the time!

      I can’t stand listening to Joran’s nurotic lies but as long as they keep him talking we have opportunity of discovery. Joran may not know something for sure but all he has to do is be his ego arrogant self and say the ONE wrong thing that will lead us to truth.

    90. Gutfeeling on June 27th, 2010 9:14 pm

      I think officials in Aruba helped Paulus hide NH (literally, or staged the security guard charade to give him time), and they did this because they had done illegal things with Paulus before. Also I think it was done in a boys club spirit, drunk American girl OD’s and gets what she deserves. Now that this has happened, not having seen the actual remains of NH Aruban officials involved must now be questioning exactly what they covered and feeling responsible for another innocent girl losing her life at the hands of Joran.

      I would love to see Peru offer to return Joran to Aruba if only he can lead them to NH remains. I don’t think he knows. If by chance he does know and shares the location,then he is free to go back to Aruba, they deserve him. Aruba has to keep him there , never allowed to leave the Island. Think about it… The Holloway family gets to give their child a proper burial, and Aruba can decide what to do with Joran and bear the expense of keeping him. Maybe Julia Renfro has a spare bedroom at her house, she was awfully interested in getting him a fair shake in 2005.

    91. Lisa in Maryland on June 27th, 2010 11:23 pm

      If Joran knows where Natalie’s remains are he won’t need to go to Aruba to tell them. The island is not that big. Why should he be sent to Aruba where he will get special treatment and mommy visits everyday.

      The deal they need to cut with him is tell us where Natalee is and exactly what happened and we may be nice enough to allow you to serve your time at Castro, Castro otherwise it’s Lurigancho for you! That’s a fair exchange he may survive Castro, Castro but he’ll nerver make it out of Lurigancho alive!

    92. Tim on June 28th, 2010 6:46 am

      While i agree its a small victory to finally have Joran behind bars and about to get whats coming to him, I think its time to turn some attention to the Kalpoes. Why are these guys getting off the hook? Wasnt there a confession saying they all participated in the attack? Didnt they get caught in a lie about one or both of them coming back to the beach? Didnt they take 10 days to clean and gut their car? These guys are just as guilty and need some more attention. The time is now to put the heat on all of them.

    93. Lisa in Maryland on June 28th, 2010 8:28 am

      You’re Right Tim,

      The ALE has had 5 yrs. to build a case. Problem is they already know exactly what happened and they are involved in a coverup that would expose them so much that it would blow the island off the map!

      Fact of the matter is they simply choose not to!

      Notice it took them 2 weeks to draft a simple request letter to interview Joran in Peru. If they were really interested in interviewing him they would have sent someone immediately with a draft letter in hand and that person would be sitting in Peru waiting for the first opportunity! The allow the press into his cell on a regular basis did the press need a letter?

      They would reopen the case, they would be reinterogating people and the would be detaining the Kalpoes. Notice they are not doing that. They have no need to because they already know what happened!

      Instead they are standing in silence and praying that Joran doesn’t say something that exposes them all!

      Sometimes inaction speaks louder than words!

      They are no better than those they protect!


    94. kiltie on June 28th, 2010 11:09 am

      Totally frivolous statement, but in that police picture or Joran at the top of this blog, notice Joran has two large bumps on his forehead. I wonder what a Phrenologist(sp?) would make of that.

    95. Lisa in Maryland on June 28th, 2010 11:53 am

      Kiltie that’s Easy – That’s where the two loose screws are!

    96. Gutfeeling on June 28th, 2010 3:51 pm

      We agree on lots of levels. What has happened to the Holloways merits official travel sanctions. I supported a government enforced ban on travel to Aruba beginning on June 10, 2005 and still do; lifted only upon the return of NH to her family. It was clear then that NH was hidden because she was a forensic liability and Paulus was able to hide her because he has done something illegal with LE before.

      I think a travel ban might still be effective in bringing some information to the surface, since there are so many people who know at least a little. And certainly a sanction that fits the circumstances as it is unsafe to travel to a country where when a tourist is violated, witnesses are permitted to lie and given a pass for the asking.

      Offer to free Joran for credible info is admittedly unrealistic. I was just exploring …. for Joran not to know the information for freedom is torture. and IMO he doesn’t know. This limited offer once executed (yes she is here or I don’t know) either gets the Holloway’s some closure or silences Joran once and for all.

      The downside of course is that he does know. The irony is this: the return of Joran to Aruba would be in its own way punishment to the island and his mother, his enablers. Their lack of action today shows that they are glad that Peru has taken him off their hands. He is a security and financial burden to whatever country holds him.

      Not to minimize what he has done to the Ramirez family. I just hate to see him prosecuted in a way that lets his enablers off the hook.



    97. Sven on June 28th, 2010 3:59 pm

      Frederic Nitz: I’m thinking besides Joran, the Kalpoes gave false testimony (and some other crimes) that was proven and could still be charged with perjury or lying to authorities or whatever. They could threaten them with long sentences for those crimes unless the finally come clean. There were others, authorities never charged, i.e., the prison guard who let Paul give Joran a cell phone and the guards who didn’t take it away, and there were officials of the PD that didn’t conduct searches requested by Holloways, etc. There were officials who took testimony from witnesses and buried the reports – there is a roster of people who could be charged. My hope is charging them would cause some or more to come forward.

      Waterboy: I’d still like to see the tapes from Marriott of the comings and going of both Paul and Joran that night at their casino. Why has Marriott not been more pro-active? Someone should call their PR head, Colleen Evans and ask her – she’s here in DC. Joran’s brothers home or not? I thought they were in school and their last day, like Joran, was the day after he was with Natalee and that Paul left Joran at the casino to play his hand because he had to go home and feed his other sons. Tell me if I’m wrong.

    98. kiltie on June 28th, 2010 4:00 pm

      Good one, Lisa. Reading bumps on the head used to be a fad in Victorian times…wonder if two bumps right there on his forehead indicate his violence quotient?

    99. Angela on June 28th, 2010 4:11 pm

      Regarding Stephany Flores’ eye being out of the socket, I remember her brother stating on the air, NG, that “she didn’t have an eye, she was unrecognizable.” This came from the brother who said he was the one who identified her body. That’s unfiltered information directly from a family member immediately following the discovery of Stephany Flores’ body.

    100. Sven on June 28th, 2010 4:18 pm

      Waterboy: You said Joran might think of his mother and brothers. I think he might, but only to implicate them in the cover-up if it gets him interview money or time off, as he has implicated his father twice in the cover-up. He will throw anyone under the bus if it serves him.

      Lisa and all: I blame some Aruban authorities as much as Joran and Paul. And I blame them more and dislike them more becuz they were and are authorities who have a job to do to investigate, prosecute and keep Aruba safe for citizens and tourists from psycho killers and people involved in human trafficking. They deserve the most blame of all involved. I hope and believe that until those people of the government who helped Joran and his father themselves come to trial and are prosecuted, the citizens of Aruba will not give up pursuing them. Until then, and with the Kalpo brothers and others still roaming the island possibly in search of other victims, no one can feel safe in Aruba going to a bar and having to worry about being given a date-rape drug and disappearing. I’ve been to many a caribbean island and none I’ve been to has the problem Aruba has. There are many much nicer islands closer to the US mainland – why would I want to go there?

    101. Sven on June 28th, 2010 4:26 pm

      Gutfeeling: Joran can be returned to Aruba to lead authorities to Natalee’s body or to the location in the ocean where they dumped her and give testimony about the people involved in the coverup and that would be welcome; and/but he doesn’t have to be “handed over” to Aruba. He can be transferred temporarily under Peruvian guard and held in an Aruban facility under both Peruvian and Aruban guard. Both Peruvian and Aruban authorities and US authorities can accompany Joran on his “field trips”, of which I’m sure there will be many. Perhaps they can also accompany him to the Kalpo brothers’ home and conduct interviews there, as well.

    102. Sven on June 28th, 2010 4:31 pm

      Lisa: So true about 2 weeks to draft a “letter of intent”, etc. How outrageously (but not) funny! I’ve worked for law firms for over 25 years. The letter and faxing SHOULD have taken about 2 hours, at most. That says it all!

    103. Sven on June 28th, 2010 4:38 pm

      Gutfeeling: I applaud your work and dedication to boycotting Aruba. The best way to bring pressure to bear is on American corporations who do business in Aruba and depend on tourist travel – i.e, Marriott and any US airlines that fly into Aruba. You may already know this, but wanted to mention that. Antigua was corporately boycotted by the corporations themselves some years ago because of the hefty taxes the Prim Minister was levying on airlines (which went into his own pocket, as been said by some). Also, the Ponzi scheme guy used Antigua to set up his own bank and many drug running cartels were using Antigua as a half-way point. All of this caused cruise ships and airlines to severely limit their stops. See the history. Anyway, they are finally climbing back as a resort destination after years of being ignored. The same can be done to Aruba by Airlines and Hotels – that is who US citizens need to pursue.

    104. Frederic Nitz on June 28th, 2010 4:48 pm

      I personally think that whatever Joran knows about Natalee, he will not give it up. It is the only card he holds and he knows it.

      I say leave him right where he is and let him think about it for several years after he has waited for and then gone through the 18 month long trial.

      In the meanwhile, if he gets placed in Lurigancho, so much the better. He will be able to figure out how to make it work. And if not, too bad, so sad.

    105. Lisa in Maryland on June 28th, 2010 6:22 pm

      I know that there are some (John Alonso for one) who think that Boycotting Aruba is Stupid. But the rational behind it is not. The “roster of people who could be charged” that Sven mentions in post #97 are the very same people who are “in charge”. So how do you bring charges against them? You can’t, they have concealed and destroyed evidence and we all know it. Hell it’s public knowledge that Joran’s original confession was torn up!

      Beth Holloway knew this and that is why she requested the Boycott. I know that Alabama and I believe Mississippi made public statements in support of a Boycott. Why didn’t the rest of our nation? It angers me that this was never publicly addressed from the white house. I sent letter(s) all I ever got was the diplomatic “We are looking into this matter” responses.

      This leaves us with the individuals of the United States having to take it upon themselves to stand in response. So United We Stand – Boycott Aruba! They left us no other alternative but to put pressure on them in that way – that is all we have got.

      Arubans can deny that it hurt their economy until the cows come home. The boycott has made a difference and an economic impact on that island. Arubans can say we are hurting the average Aruban citizen who had nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case. WRONG – The Average Aruban Citizen’s are not keeping their officials in check and they are ignoring the corruption so therefore they are directly responsible!

      I have traveled to a lot of places and there are a lot of beautiful places on our planet. There is nothing so special about Aruba. Why should American’s waist their money on going to an island where they are not protected if something goes wrong?

      Do you Really want to be told that your crisis situation has to wait while some dumb fat bas—d eats his frosted flakes!


    106. Lisa in Maryland on June 28th, 2010 6:49 pm


      Rather than a Phrenologist I’d like see him hooked up to a new NO LIE – MRI. Radiate that little Ffer and let’s see what that reads out as. Problem is with all of Joran’s lies he’d probably cause a statewide blackout!

    107. Lisa in Maryland on June 28th, 2010 8:41 pm

      I am laughing my ARSS off. Jake-A-Saurus is reporting that Maximo Altez will Appeal the judges ruling on his Joran’s supposed Rights Violation! of all things they will appeal all the way up in court system in Peru and then to a US court in Coasta Rica for civil rights!

      Ha Altez if you think anyone from America is going to overturn the “Without Merit Ruling” – you are totally out of your mind!

      Anita start writing those checks! Your legal expenses are about to multiply!

    108. Gutfeeling on June 28th, 2010 10:44 pm

      Sven: My proposition to offer Joran freedom to return to Aruba permanently in return for the location of NH, would amount to the confirmation that Sporter does not know where she is. IMO

      My loose theory says that only Paulus and adults who helped him know where she is.

      Lisa I like the noliemri. I would like to send about two dozen people involved in this case through that thing. Do you really think Anita is still paying for Joran’s legal expenses? I get the feeling she has written him off. Don’t you? Wait. Who is Jake-A-Saurus? I though Joe Tacopina was the US attorney attached to this mess.

    109. Frederic Nitz on June 29th, 2010 12:09 am

      How about a take-off on Jean Casarez

    110. Lisa in Maryland on June 29th, 2010 9:16 am

      Sorry to confuse anyone Jean Casarez is the CNN Nancy Grace Show on location reporter. I couldn’t understand Nancy when she was saying we will now go to J. Casarez in Peru so my husband and I laughingly refer to her as Jake-A-Saurus.

      Maximo Altez is Joran’s Peruvian Lawyer. Joe Taco has tried to remove himself from them as I quote ” I no longer have any relationship with the Van der Sloots” translation = they probably didn’t finish paying him or a relationship with any of them hurt his business by association.

      Yes, I certainly do believe that Anita is paying for Jorans defense.

      Maximo Altez wanted to quit immediately and he reported the reason as he was getting threats in one report but I also read in another report that he found out the Van der sloots couldn’t pay him.

      Another poster here – pointed out how strange it was that as soon as Anita gave that “preformance of her life” interview that she reportedly got paid $100,000 for that all of the sudden Maximo Altez was back on the scene as Joran’s attorney. Mere coincidence? I think Not!

      Also, Anita contridicted herself when immediately following that interview she set up a reporter to visit Joran in Peru and she sent clothing to Joran Via that news reporter. I think it was Jossy Mansure but I’m not positive.

      Oh yes, I believe she’s paying for the defence and I believe that she is doing it in a very lying and covert way! She’s a liar!

    111. Lisa in Maryland on June 29th, 2010 9:25 am


      If Anita had really written Joran off her only statement would be ” I am estranged from my son Please respect my privacy and leave me alone ”

      Are we hearing that?? – Nooo

      Instead we get to hear about what a loving child, exceptional student, avid sports player Joran was and how the whole fricken world just needs a BIG HUG to make it all better.

      She has no remorse for the victims of her murdering son!


    112. Lisa in Maryland on June 29th, 2010 9:32 am

      I have an idea… They can tell Joran if he submits to that No Lie MRI they will consider sending him back to Aruba.

      They say that No Lie MRI is 90% accurate so I wonder what they would find out???? It would be interesting don’t you think?

      Of course they can consider sending him to Aruba and then say after careful consideration they’ve decided there is “No Merit in the return”.

      Someone, Somewhere needs to outsmart the fox! Beat him at his own game!

    113. Angela on June 29th, 2010 11:22 am

      Off point my question is why are there reports of SF being “fully clothed” when other reports state she was only wearing panties on her lower region? Which is it? I tend to believe the latter as her jeans did not have blood on them indicating she was not wearing them at the time of her murder. That discrepancy needs to be remedied.

      Another question is can a rape charge be added to the 1st degree murder and attempted robbery charges if dna shows sexual intercourse occurred?

      Aren’t the taxi driver and his brother(s) supposed to be questioned by the judge? They didn’t show for their first questioning. Has this 2nd attempt of questioning happened yet?

    114. Maggie on June 29th, 2010 1:24 pm

      Paulus took his son to the Excelsior at the Holiday Inn.. to gamble.. the night he met Natalee.. Michael Posner was reported to be upset when casino tapes were released to ABC showing Natalee entering the casino and Joran entering. Also the man sitting next to Natalee tape, which many feel is Paulus Van Der Sloot.. Even Beth’s lawyer, JQK, said , it sure looks like him..


      Haven’t heard anymore about the brothers.. that didn’t show up. I sure hope they don’t charge them with anything based on what Joran told about them. I did hear reported before no evidence of a sexual assault on Stephany.

      The charges against Joran are first degree murder and robbery.

      Pictures of the crime scene and what Stephany was wearing when found..are on this page..scroll down it.

    115. Lisa in Maryland on June 29th, 2010 3:49 pm

      I just wish they would hurry back with that DNA evidence. Does it usually take this long?

      According to Jean Casarez if the “No Merit” ruling were overturned he would be set free.

      I highly doubt that but, if that were to happen I think he would last about 10 minutes on the streets.

    116. Sven on June 29th, 2010 4:22 pm

      Frederic Nitz: I agree with you but/and the family of Natalee has waited 5 years and every single painful day for them is another heartbreak and horribly grueling wait to find answers – their wishes should be considered whatever has to be done to find those answers for them.

      Lisa: great thoughts about the boycott! I waiver between hoping Arubans will finally put their officials on the burner to worrying that even Stephany’s horrible slaughter is not enough for them to rise up in rebellion. Perhaps, but I pray it does not happen, an Aruban citizen who is as well known as Stephany was in Peru and Natalee was in the US will also suffers the same fate by the hands of one or more of those involved in Natalee’s disappearance or even by someone else in Aruba who feels it’s a free state to date-rape and/or kill or kidnap an sell victims. Perhaps then they will have the willingness to cry for justice.

    117. Lisa in Maryland on June 29th, 2010 5:52 pm

      I’m wondering … Are these delaying tactics counting as time served for Joran? Is this like a futile attempt to keep him alive?

    118. Maggie on June 29th, 2010 7:52 pm

      Per aol news..

      (June 29) — Joran van der Sloot’s attorney says he’s prepared to bring his client’s claim of unlawful detention to the Supreme Court of Peru and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights in Costa Rica, if necessary.

      The plan, Maximo Altez told CNN, is to “paralyze the process” and gain the Dutchman’s freedom.

      Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, is accused of the May 30 slaying of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, who was found dead in van der Sloot’s hotel room in Lima on June 2. Van der Sloot, 22, has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case. If convicted of Flores’ murder, he faces 15 to 35 years in prison.

      Maximo Altez said his strategy as Joran van der Sloot’s defense lawyer is to “paralyze the process” of Peru’s court system.

      Altez’s comments on the case come four days after a judge in Lima upheld van der Sloot’s alleged confession in the Flores case. An appeal before the Supreme Court of Peru could take up to three months. Once that hearing is scheduled, a three-judge panel will hear the evidence and make a determination.

      On Monday, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told AOL News he did not expect van der Sloot to win on appeal, citing the amount of evidence authorities claim to have in the case. Griffith was also critical of van der Sloot’s tactics and said the Dutchman is making critical errors.

      Meanwhile, several TV insiders have told PopEater that van der Sloot is asking a whopping $1 million to do interviews with the press.

      “It’s amazing how this kid’s mind works,” a senior television producer told the website. “He is on trial for murder and he is thinking about how he can make money selling interviews.”

      The reality, however, one TV executive told the website, is that the murder suspect might actually pull it off.

    119. Lisa in Maryland on June 30th, 2010 8:29 am

      Thanks Maggie,

      I hadn’t heard about that $1 million to do interviews. Isn’t that outrageous! It’s like aiding and abetting after the fact! That should be considered criminal all by it’s self!

      Although, I am all for keeping criminals talking so that they will accidentally spill the beans. I DO NOT SUPPORT that they get paid for it! Same for their relatives and associates! That is criminal in itself! I’m also against convicted criminals being paid to write books about their crimes. There really should be laws with stiff penalties for this!

      I’ll bet Stephany’s Parents are just Seething over this! I am sure the Holloway’s are. It’s amazing how even locked up this little puke can continue to inflict damage and pain and suffering!

      While Maximo intends to “paralyze the process” I have heard that the case will continue and will not stall out and wait for an overturn of the “No Merit Ruling”. No doubt the appeals courts have a longer docket than the regular courts considering every no win case probably uses this tactic.

      Outrageous at it may sound and not to contradict myself…If any media is willing to pay $1 million they should do the interview with the use of a NO-LIE-MRI! Then at least they will know what they paid for! Let’s see Van der Sloot get past that one!


    120. brie. on June 30th, 2010 9:52 am

      The judge in Peru should not allow Joran to have any interviews..he brutally murdered Stephanie and he wants to get paid for it…I’m sure that would make the Flores family extremely upset…and beyond that Aruba is never going to do anything. I do believe Joran knows where Natalee is but he will never tell….punishment to Beth….

    121. Angela on June 30th, 2010 11:38 am


      Thanks for supplying the crime scene photos link which include a photo of SF bare legged with bruises on her feet. Photos include her jeans and shoes, not on the victim’s body. Still don’t understand why reports get away with continuing to say, erroneously, that she was fully clothed. Partially clothed is more accurate.

      As for JVDS asking a $1M interviewing fee, do we know if Peruvian law prohibits a criminal from profiting from his/her crime such as we have in the US? If so, even if he is paid perhaps that money could be turned over to the Flores family and not be allowed to be used for his benefit in prison. Money buys Joran an easier prison life– PROTECTION, cigarettes, better food, etc., not to mention a private attorney who’s purpose is to assist Joran in paralyzing the system. Hopefully the media will not be a party to making Joran’s life easier behind bars. They all want “the” story. An interview with Joran would be that. I understand the motivation. But at what cost? Paying Joran’s fee further enables him to have some sort of control over his situation. To all the media: I’d rather not hear a word from JVDS if it costs any money. Bet the majority of people around the world feel the same. If he’s so willing to talk he needs to tell it to the judge!

      Today SF’ father is to speak in court. I wish him strength and courage.

    122. ThEhApPsTeR on June 30th, 2010 1:01 pm

      As far as these demands of his go…I think they should act like they are going to give it to him, and after he does his part, they say, “we lied.” Like, they should say ok, we will take you to Aruba if you show us NH. Take him all the way there, and if he shows them and is truthful, great! Then right back to Lurigancho he goes. We lied! haha. They can promise to pay a million dollars, get their interview, and afterwards…we lied! you get nothing…hahaha..It would be fun. Just make a fool od his BS! Since there is no law against it, right? (Since it is what he gets away with constantly).

    123. brie. on June 30th, 2010 2:12 pm

      So Anita says on her video that she is sorry that Joran is her son. And if he those unspeakable things he did to Stephanie are true than he needs to be punished.She said there is no longer a relationship between her and her son. But then at the end of the video she says well, maybe he will get out!!!!!

      Joran takes his mattress out of his cell during the day and puts it into Hugo’s cell and gives him sex for protection. They watch TV, play cards, listen to music and then he takes his mattress back to his cell before lockup, that’s what I read in a magazine. Don’t know if it’s it true or not.

    124. vinny on June 30th, 2010 3:39 pm

      I am outraged at the media even comsidering to give this murder i million for his story. The only solution I can have for me is to boycot the sponsors of any station that would do this for ratings. And publish the products on the net.

      Joran surly likes to torture. He has been doing that for five years to the Halloways and will begin his new campaign on the Flores. I can only imagine how he will slander her in the Public media.

      I can understand Peru trying to protray their prison system to the Nations. Trying to present a good image. But if they are counting on Joran they best forget the idea. Just image what we will hear him whine about. I am gratful that Peru has a law similar to the Good Sam law we have here in the US> I suggest until the Investigation is complete there be no further Media interviews.

      I continue to praise Peru a poor country that cares for its citizens more than cares about providing a club house enviorment for its prisoners. I think we should adopt the pervian system in the US. Why throw aways tax dollars on criminals. Forget human rights did the criminal think of the Human Rights of their victims?

    125. Lisa in Maryland on June 30th, 2010 4:43 pm

      Vinny, I agree no more public interviews. That will kill him because he likes all the attention.
      In fact, If I were the judge I wouldn’t allow him to speak to anyone except his attorney and the investigators. That means no more visiting with Hugo and no TV!

      Just lock him up alone and forget about him while they finish gathering evidence!

      Dear Lord, this has got to be a nightmare for the Flores family. They have faced this with such Honor and Dignity! I can not even imagine the pain! I too, wish Mr. Flores the very best and hope that God brings swift justice!

    126. Scarlet on June 30th, 2010 10:04 pm

      News Worthy:

      US Grand Jury Indicts Joran Van der Sloot on wire fraud, extortion in the great state of Alabama on Wednesday, June 30, 2010. Some peace of mind for Beth, Dave and family. Should he survive Peru prison, they will nab him in the US.

      Also read Joran is targeted for death by inmates in Peru due to age old custom called Machismo.

      Finally Joran is finished in one way or another, just hope before he goes he gives up the truth to our Natalee and where she is.

      Justice for Natalee and Stephany.

    127. Frederic Nitz on July 1st, 2010 11:45 am

      By the way, No Lie MRI is not 100% accurate. Current claimed accuracy by the manufacturer is about 90%. It also requires that the subject be co-operative.

    128. Lisa in Maryland on July 1st, 2010 2:10 pm

      Frederic – I know, I posted in an earlier post about the 90% accuracy. But, you have to admit it would be more interesting than the typical lie detector which with controlled responses you can deam 90% inaccurate.

      I saw a televised segment a few yrs. ago about a man who slipped a tac into his shoe and everytime they asked a question yes or no, he pressed on the tac and it caused the monitor to register the same response rendering the entire test ineffective.

      I just think it would be interesting to interview him with the No-lie-MRI because even he cannot control the neurological responses in that thimble of a brain. Yet, he is so egotistical that he would think he could!

      Even 90% of the truth about where Natalee is or what really happened could lead somewhere!

    129. Frederic Nitz on July 1st, 2010 4:31 pm

      I think the current a polygraph is about 60% so if the 90% number is accurrate, it is a world better. The difficult part of the No Lie MRI is that the subject has to want it to be accurate because he/she could wiggle around, in which case the results would be inconclusive.

    130. Lisa in Maryland on July 1st, 2010 6:58 pm

      Fredric, I know, I posted in an earlier post about the 90 percent accuracy. But, you have to admit it would be more interesting than the typical lie detector which with controlled responses you can deam 90 percent inaccurate.

      I saw a televised segment a few yrs. ago about a man who slipped a tac into his shoe and everytime they asked a question yes or no, he pressed on the tac and it caused the monitor to register the same response rendering the entire test ineffective.

      I just think it would be interesting to interview him with the No-lie-MRI because even he cannot control the neurological responses in that thimble of a brain. Yet, he is so egotistical that he would think he could!

    131. Lisa in Maryland on July 1st, 2010 7:23 pm

      Yes, I understand I just think it’s cool leading edge technology and I really think they have something there to develop that may help law enforcement in the future. You have to start somewhere.

      Just like in the early days of DNA analysis development when people didn’t understand what a genetic profile was and that there are different analysis tests that can determine the DNA belonging to an entire family or the DNA belonging to a specific person.

      DNA testing has come a long way because people supported it. Already the No-Lie-MRI shows a better percentage ratio than the regular Lie detector. Having a cooperative subject is required for both.

      Fredric I think you and I are kindred spirits and we are just agreeing with each other in different words!

    132. Lisa in Maryland on July 1st, 2010 10:36 pm

      Most of us here agree that Joran is guilty and needs to be punished. Most of us also agree that many others are suspect in aiding him in the Natalee Holloway case. Scared Monkeys prides it self on being the court of public opinion. So while we are waiting for the next Van der Sloot news which may be awhile with the million dollar price tag. Lets run our own Monkey Court of Public Opinion!

      Monkey Court Docket:
      3 judge panel selection by July 10th
      Submit charges by July 11th – July 20th
      I will collect and list the charge counts by July 30th
      Judges in Session From August 1st to August 5th
      Final Decree from Judges on Friday August 6th

      Let’s set some loose guidelines so we can keep some order to it. (Monkey Rules of Order) so to speak!

      1) Motions – You can make a motion but it must be followed by a second and third to pass. Any suggestions to Monkey Rule of Order need to be made as motions.

      We need to pick a panel of three monkey judges. We will motion for judges but they have to accept after the third motion. You may make a motion for yourself as a judge.

      Motion: I motion that the first judge be Carpe

      Statement: He’s been posting since the beginning and he has a great sense of humor.

      2) Charges – You can make or defend a charge but you have to make a statement to back it up. Try to include dates and as much information as you can, if you can remember. (We are not lawyers so it doesn’t have to be exact but try to make it as accurate as possible)

      Charge: I hereby charge Paulus Van der Sloot with conspiracy to cover up a murder.

      Statement: By advising Joran and the Kalpoe brothers – No Body – No Crime on June 1, 2005. His advise on that date implicates that he knew no body would be found.

      3) If a charge has been made but you don’t understand it ask for clarification

      Requesting Clarification on post #39

      4) If a statement is made and you want to add to it

      Add to Statement on post #39……

      Here’s a list of the usual suspects:

      Paulus Van der Sloot
      Anita Van der Sloot
      Jan Van Der Stratten
      Julie Renfro
      Gerald Dompig
      Deepak Kalpoe
      Satish Kalpoe
      Koen Gottenboes
      Koen’s Father
      Guido Weaver
      Jeffrey Von Croimvert
      Judge Wit ( blocked complete search of the VDS compound after the murder of NH)
      Karen Janssen
      Hans Mos
      Aruban Citizens who painted the rocks
      Aruban Citizens who marched in the street in protest of Beth Holloway

      Okay, so on the next post let’s begin……

    133. Lisa in Maryland on July 1st, 2010 10:37 pm

      Motion: I motion that the first judge be Carpe

      Statement: He’s been posting since the beginning and he has a great sense of humor.

    134. Frederic Nitz on July 2nd, 2010 2:18 pm

      Lisa, I agree. We are of the same mind.

    135. Lisa in Maryland on July 2nd, 2010 3:49 pm

      No takers on the Monkey Court of Opinion? Oh well it was an idea …

    136. Carpe on July 2nd, 2010 5:10 pm


      Lisa in Maryland –

      I so appreciate your kind words and motion to be Monkey judge. :)

      I am so biased at this point it is not funny. They’d force me to recuse myself. LOL

      I stand with the Beth. In one interview with Nancy Grace she said: ooh, I just want to peel
      the skin off his face.

      I jumped off my couch and shouted: Yeahhhhhhhh! and was pumping my fist in the air.

      I just want “Anita’s good boy” in a box crafted of pine. That’s it! Case closed.

      He was a meanie to Natalee… she was da baby boo Princess. No one can do that and get away with it.
      Period. He may as well have hurt a cute fuzzy kitten. It broke my heart! GUILTY!!!

    137. Eddie on July 5th, 2010 4:43 pm

      As unfathomable it is to comprehend, he does have a final river card to use. And thats seeking forgiveness. there is a major pitfall. Lying is useless

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