RSSARUBA: Has The Netherlands Really Done Everything “REASONABLE” to Solve the Natalee Holloway Case?
Define “reasonably”? Can the term reasonable and a crime being investigated in 
Aruba actually be used in the same sentence?
Why is anyone supposed to believe everything reasonable was done to investigate the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Many stated from the outset that the fix was in when two black security guards were arrested while the last three people to be with Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe remained free to walk the streets. Dutch official Hero Brinkman is on record as saying that Aruba is “Corrupt as Hell!!!”
What is reasonable when one knows that the very island that the crime took place on is corrupt and that one of the suspects, a Dutch citizen, has connections through his father to obstruct justice?
In the case of the article that appeared in Amigo February 11, 2009, The Netherlands: ‘Done everything to solve the Holloway case;’ “reasonably” as defined by whom, former US President Bill Clinton in that it all depend on what the meaning of is, is. Going through the motions of looking like one is cooperating in an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is hardly a sincere effort.
The Netherlands has ‘reasonably’ done everything a country can do to solve the case of the disappeared American teenager Natalee Holloway, says state secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) in a letter to the Lower House that have asked for more information.
Holloway disappeared in May of 2005 and the case is still not solved. There are currently two investigations going in the disappearance case: the criminal investigation into the disappearance of the teenager and an investigation by the national detective into the allegations of Justice-minister Rudy Croes in the early stages of the criminal investigation.
Jan van der Stratten
It was in December of last year that Croes accused the former chief of police Jan van der Straaten of having blown the investigation in the first ten days. He did this in consideration of his friendship with Paul van der Sloot, the father of Joran van der Sloot, who is still the prime suspect. The Public Prosecutor doesn’t give any details during this investigation, writes Bijleveld to the Lower House.
Bijleveld explains all ‘the efforts’ the Netherlands had done in the Holloway-case until now. Upon request of Aruba, Dutch militaries have assisted with the search in the early stages. Dutch sniffer dogs and F-16’s with special camera were also put in. Aruba has again requested the assistance of the Netherlands in September of 2006 and Dutch experts have tested the investigation in the Netherlands. This ‘revision’ provided sufficient clues to continue the investigation in Aruba. The Dutch team together with their Aruban colleagues performed in 2007 and 2008 a continued investigation into the still open scenarios. Bijleveld says that ‘all necessary means’ were put in, but have not led to solving the case. The Aruban police are still investigating the case at this moment.
There are two investigations going on in the case of the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway? One might have to look high and low to find anything with regards to any investigation that is being pursued in Aruba.
Hans Mos has defended the police investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway referencing that it was one of the most expensive homicide investigations of all time. However, cost does not equate to competent or a lack of corruption.
Have they really done everything, The Netherlands or Aruba? Hardly. Just recently we learned that Public Prosecutor Hans Mos would be having an early departure as the head of the Public Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba. That makes two Aruban Public Prosecutors come and gone and no justice for Natalee Holloway.
The case, which is still not closed and which is estimated to have cost more than seven and a half million euros, has led to increasing criticism of Mr Mos.
The announcement of his departure comes at a time when relationships between Aruba and the Netherlands are strained. The Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Kroes, has accused the Netherlands of spying after serious allegations about Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a member of Mr Kroes’ family were found in a confidential document produced by the Dutch delegation to the island.
Can The Netherlands really say that everything reasonable was done in investigating the Natalee Holloway case when one of their own citizens, Joran van der Sloot, has been caught on tape twice as to having involvement in Natalee’s demise? First Joran states that he dumped her in the ocean and then he admits to human trafficking and selling her to a Venezuelan man. He stated he sold Natalee for $10,000. However, because Joran Van der Sloot has lied from day one in dropping Natalee Holloway off at the Holiday Inn, some how it gives him not only a license to lie, but also a license to be prosecuted. He can’t be lying about everything.
Dutch Crime investigator Peter R. deVries has been faithfully on the case trying to provide evidence that Joran Van der Sloot is implicated in Natalee’s disappearance so it would beg the question then why is not The Netherlands?
What you have done is reasonable? Hardly. Even with all the new information that has come out since Natalee’s disappearance and the three initially suspects actions, especially Joran Van der Sloot’s, the good Dutch people of the Netherlands hardly think your efforts have been reasonable.
UPDATE I: Comments from Diaro Managing Editor Jossy Mansur regarding supposed investigations and current state of affairs of tourism in Aruba:
I know of no 2 cases being investigated with regards to the disappearance of Natalee. I’m extremely, and I emphasize the word EXTREMELY happy that Hans Mos is leaving. He made quite a few blunders in the case and just wants to close it. So far that I know, there are no investigation going on.
Aruba’s tourism has suffered and continues to suffer. Percentage-wise we have it from reliable sources that the industry is down between 15 and 20%, and still falling even in high season. I don’t see it going back to its previous normal levels. I hope it does, but there’s nothing in sight that convinces me it will return to normal, especially if we consider the economic crisis deepening all over the world.
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Natalee’s mother does not believe that EVERYTHING REASONABLE was done by the Aruban “powers that be” to solve the case of her missing daughter.
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‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005
TWITTY: Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.
And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 — at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.
Something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours — 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
Natalee’s mother does not believe that EVERYTHING REASONABLE was done by the Aruban “powers that be” to solve the case of her missing daughter.
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‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well, of course, it’s very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that’s all we’ve had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba. You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it’s supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can’t help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
Natalee Holloway’s mother has it figured out why not EVERYTHING REASONABLE was done to solve the case of her missing daughter.
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‘Scarborough Country’ for Oct. 21st
updated 1:46 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 23, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/
Natalee Holloway’s mother has it figured out why not EVERYTHING REASONABLE was done to solve the case of her missing daughter.
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The Jonesboro Sun
January 29, 2007
Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter’s disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.
“We did everything we could in looking for her. There was a government coverup, and it has been documented,” Twitty contended.
http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809
Yes aruba did everything they and no one can say different !!! The only problem is all they did was for the cover up and nothing for Natalee.
aruba sucks worse than anything that ever sucked before !!! The only thing I like about aruba is that it looks like a turd floating in a toilet bowl, Even one end is tapered like the real thing
The Netherlands tries to charge this investigation with the cost of the training exercise already scheduled for the F-16′s. How stupid do they think we are.
Very, apparently if they think we are buying this for one minute. That would be the most ineffective and inefficient way to try to locate one 105 pound person ever. No one uses F-16′s to search for missing people. Nice try but not buying that at all.’
Giving what is statistically the most likely suspects ten days to cover their trail is reasonable? I don’t think so.
Much too little and too late all the way around and by design.
They have fooled no one, least of all U.S. citizens who have every right to ask for an accounting of our citizen.
If this is reasonable effort, they can expect reasonable effort in regard to tourism and support from this country. Give us our citizen back and cut the crap!
Someone needs to tell that nutless Hans Mos…
that the success of a thorough investigation
cannot be weighed in dollars.
It is judged by results… and you need to
act on those results… as opposed to looking
the other way.
Natalee’s case will never go away. The world
has been able to watch this little snot nosed
peon corrupt mafia state called Aruba cover
for the Vandersloot and Kalpoe rapists murderers.
We never forget. As far as I’m concerned,
a good Aruban will always be a dead one.
Of course not!! The law enforcement officials from the Netherlands and Aruba don’t even know the word “reasonable” exist!! I would hardly call covering up a murder to protect a friend (Paulass van der Slut) and his son (Urine) reasonable!!
On my way out of our local Walmart yesterday, I couldn’t help but notice a huge motor home driving by the front of the store with “ARUBA” written on the back and sides of it. Who would manufacture a recreational vehicle using that vulgar obscenity??
I hate Aruba!! Anyone stupid enough to vacation on that third world, drug infested, lawless, poverty stricken Dutch protectorate is taking their lifes into their own hands and out of their freaking minds!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Susan I saw a motorhome with the same name and thought the same thing ??? Pretty lame if you ask me and I think the name paulass vander crap fits a bit better.
Cheers and happy Valentines day to all
These people are all 1 fry short of a happy meal. Right from the start, the strategy was to drag this out, like, deny, cover up, turn your head, destroy until people go away. 4 years later Natalee we haven’t forgotten you and what you endured your last night in Aruba..~!!! Aruba we haven’t forgotten the shameful things you have done to Natalee and her family.. Joran Vander Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe..we haven’t forgotten all your lies, deceit and what you did to Natalee either. Donald Duck could do better than “Hands” Mos the sock puppet for the rest of the keystone freaks. They already know what happened to Natalee and they already know who…why waste money investigating, Hans Mos has done nothing. Aruba’s definition of reasonable, one example.. warn people for 2 months publicly you have a tip at the lighthouse , that Natalee was buried there, and then going to search it. Don’t forget Dompig, you told us she was buried twice.. Not once yet, have the addressed all the conflicts of interest in this case. I can promise you if this were one of their children..it would’ve been solved the first night. Straten..what a joke..same with Jacobs.. Avoid Aruba, that’s my definition of reasonable..
Paulus vander Slime and Jan vander Straten with all their judicial experience exactly knew how to mess up this investigation; win some time, get rid of what evidence is left… And next..: bring in the clowns to do the ‘investigation’…
Arrest them both and… BRING IN THE THUMBSCREWS!!!
(Carpe?! Is that you? Where were you?! Everything cool?)
The best article you’ve done yet. Is this the surprise article you talked about? Thanks for keeping Natalie before us.
Aruba is a wonderful place to go
when you are stressed. The warm
sun, the lilting waves, sandy beaches,
gentle winds, good drinks, music,
and serene environment can do wonders
for the soul. Except for the murders
and crime ridden locals and law enforcement,
it would be a little paradise.
Please pass the one way ticket if you please.
As Joran continues to live his pitiful little existence in the Pedophile Capital of the World, we await the next ridiculous story he tries to sell to anyone who will listen.
We know the truth. We know who the guilty are, the lies they’ve told, the corrupt officials in the Aruban LE sector, those individuals in charge who are now long gone —those without a backbone, heartless, uncaring.
It’s way too late now—Aruba is one stinking Island stained forever by this scandal. Even as tourists still flock to the Island, numbers are down and Natalee Ann Holloway will always be known as the innocent American Girl who never came back.
God continues to bless Beth & Dave Holloway and their families and all those still involved with finding justice for Natalee.
****PARENTS EVERYWHERE***DO NOT SEND YOUR TEENAGERS TO THIS ISLAND, DON’T EVEN GO YOURSELF—YOUR LIVES ARE TOO GOOD TO BECOME ANOTHER MURDERED TOURIST TO THIS HELL HOLE THEY CALL ARUBA************
—-Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway —-
Jossy Mansur (Diaro) may still see that this crime is solved. Beth, Jug, Dave, Robin, and TIM MILLER … if my two daughters needed help … that’s who I would want to call!! Natalee, and Laura will be in our hearts and memories for generations because of them.
#9 buster –
I did a little research on the “Aruba” motor home and found it is manufactured by Starcraft. Starcraft is located somewhere in Northern Indiana and has been in business since the ’60s. I guess we could give ‘em a courtesy call to ask they STOP production immediatedly
When I saw the motor home, I wanted to throw eggs, rocks, anything I could find at it, but didn’t want to get locked up…LOL!
Joran arrived back in Holland on Jan 6 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fedPNIua6U
Nothing like an article on aruba to get ya all fired up !!! God I wish I could spend 5 minutes alone with urin I would get the truth out of the piece of $hit no doubt !!! Totally suprised no one has done it already.
#4 Tamikosmom
are you from the area that the Jonesboro sun is published?
I say we “help” the Aruban dirt bags in the following manner….it will do wonders for their Spring-Summer 2009 tourist campaign.
As soon as the “movie” is in the can and ready for boardcast, I think both Greta and Nancy should put on a series of special update programs to coincide with the expose’ film’s release. Additionally, it would be wonderful for American Airlines and the other lesser air carriers, who still make Aruba part of their route system, to offer the film gratis during their Aruba bound flights. I would hope the film is syndicated and carried to all countries in the free world, including South America.
The Natalee story is tragic in itself, but the Aruban government’s cover up, corrupt handling, inhumane treatment to the vicims family cannot be
hidden. I would also hope Peter Devries would carry selected portions of the film for the viewers in his country.
Aruba needs to be punished top to bottom.
Things have been very quiet on all fronts..no news from Beth and family (her lawsuit etc???) and
no word out of Aruba. Do we even know where that filthy scum vanderSloot is these days?
Anyway Natalie isn’t forgotten as far as I am concerned and hopefully one day the case will be solved.
I wonder if this Dutch official has any ties with Aruba … is she, in effect, putting a trial balloon out there to see whether the public has become complacent enough to overlook this?
Let’s all keep to our original resolve:
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
There has to be a special place in HELL for the SCUMBAGS on the island of aruba.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY.
Aruba, we will never forget and we will never give up. Live with it.
Just in case Richard at #22 is correct I am stating that I have not forgotten about Natalee Holloway and the mockery of justice that happened on Aruba and never will.
J4N
J4C
Many of us have been reading since day one and are still here, awaiting news of justice for Natalee.
Note to Jossy Mansur (Aruban papers, please copy):
Maybe you are relieved to see Hans Mos going … meanwhile, what about the promise you made to me in a personal e-mail?
Remember? I wrote to you suggesting that it was only appropriate that you take the lead in trying to raise funding in Aruba for the Persistence.
Think of it: a crime takes place on Aruba, the Dutch have control of the investigation (depending on what day it is and who is speaking), and yet the American public are called on to finance the water probe.
When I wrote to you, you replied back the same day saying that you thought it was a good idea and that you would start acting on it.
So what has been done?
I don’t know if Natalee’s remains are in the water, but when Tim Miller’s people had to suspend their search for money reasons, a number of likely targets had been identified.
Maybe Aruba could do something. Of course, some of us have been saying that since June 1, 2005.
19. Steve Holloway on February 14th, 2009 8:30 pm
#4 Tamikosmom
are you from the area that the Jonesboro sun is published?
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Steve … I am a Canadian who resides in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.
Janet
why is scaredmonkeys smearing Aruba’s name? So a girl was kidnapped how many people is kidnapped and not found in America eventhough the cops did all that they can? I live in Aruba the crime rate here is very low compared to the rest of the world. compare it and you’ll see. the most crime commited here are from junkies. we don’t have much murder cases here the rate is maybe 1 or 2 murder a year and it’s never a tourist. what I’m trying to say is instead of being afraid why don’t you come here and find out what a paradise Aruba is.
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SM: Smearing? It is called presenting facts. This case has been going on since 2005 and you now ask why people are questioning Aruba? Maybe its because Aruba … is one corrupt island. So said by a Dutch Parliament member.
Maybe its because between LE, prosecutors, judges, govt officials and tourism individuals they covered up a crime in hopes it would just go away.
Ah, dude I have been there … it may have once been a paradise back in the 1980′s … it is no longer.
R
http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/icb-detective-award-nominees-2009.html
PLEASE GO VOTE FOR SCARED MONKEYS TO WIN
29. junior on February 15th, 2009 1:05 pm
why is scaredmonkeys smearing Aruba’s name? So a girl was kidnapped how many people is kidnapped and not found in America eventhough the cops did all that they can? I live in Aruba the crime rate here is very low compared to the rest of the world. compare it and you’ll see. the most crime commited here are from junkies. we don’t have much murder cases here the rate is maybe 1 or 2 murder a year and it’s never a tourist. what I’m trying to say is instead of being afraid why don’t you come here and find out what a paradise Aruba is.
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junior … the issue is not the crime committed against an 18 year old American citizen. Crime happens everywhere. The issue is an official Aruban coverup agenda … an agenda to protect Joran and Paulus van der Sloot from accountability … an agenda that implied the justice wa not to prevail.
The conflicts of interest that abounded in regards to personal and professional relationships within the so-called investigation implied that the the Natalee Holloway case should have been turned over to the FBI or another international agency from the getgo.
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NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 – 20:00:00 ET
GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with — and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
29. junior on February 15th, 2009 1:05 pm
why is scaredmonkeys smearing Aruba’s name? So a girl was kidnapped how many people is kidnapped and not found in America eventhough the cops did all that they can? I live in Aruba the crime rate here is very low compared to the rest of the world. compare it and you’ll see. the most crime commited here are from junkies. we don’t have much murder cases here the rate is maybe 1 or 2 murder a year and it’s never a tourist. what I’m trying to say is instead of being afraid why don’t you come here and find out what a paradise Aruba is.
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CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
RUDY CROES – IN HIS OWN WORDS – DECEMBER, 2008
Aruba to probe Holloway investigation
Published: Friday 12 December 2008 16:41 UTC
Last updated: Friday 12 December 2008 16:41 UTC
Aruba’s Justice Minister Rudy Croes has announced an independent probe into the early stages of the police investigation regarding the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005. The Dutch minister for kingdom relations, Ank Bijleveld, had called for a probe after Mr Croes openly criticised the investigation. Aruba is part of the Netherlands.
Mr Croes last week claimed that Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten had seriously hindered the early stages of the investigation. The minister said the commissioner had done so in order to protect a friend of his, who is the father of the main suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot. The latter has been arrested twice in connection with Ms Holloway’s disappearance but has never been charged because of a lack of evidence.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6092555/Aruba-to-probe-Holloway-investigation
#26, Anne—That’s right….over 4 years and counting…..still here to this day. And we await due justice for her patiently.
Good always prevails over evil…that is our last hope.
We Stand By The Girl
-J4N
-J4C
Slay the Dragon!
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Stop the marketing of babies and young women from Africa, South America and the Netherlands. Trafficking!
… and you say you don’t believe in Arawaks? An ancient brotherhood that are linked with The Masons and Baal worship. Go to any tourist shop in Aruba and you will find idols of the male sex organ; that’s Baal worship… the worship of the male penis and includes human sacrificing, cannibalism and burning of babies for the gods.
As Shango says, I must feed the gods!
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Natalee could be alive, as far as we know. Anything is possibe in Aruba but one thing for sure there were a lot of red herrings and body sightings. Were they Natalee, or did they only want to distract, and make us think she was dead.
Justice for Natalee and all the others.
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A full blown investigation of the aruban justice system is far past due. How can this be achieved. Our government must step up. This is the worst case of corruption I have ever heard of. The Casey Anthony case is running a close second.
By the way, Van der Straaten
looks like a sweating pig…
Just like his buddy! 8)
Where’s our Hero?
JFYI, Beth was in S Africa helping with the movie that is up and coming..Meanwhile, there was a BOYCOTT TRAVEL SHOW in LA and it was VERY SUCESSFUL….NOONE WAS AT THE LIERUBA BOOTH…hahahahahaha maybe they will get the HINT..Their VOLCANIC ASHE STINKS….they didnt even have PPL from that hellhole representing…They had agents…hahahahah they are running out of money..
SHOUT OUT TO AYFIT AND CARPE….HELLO GUYS…
#29
What frikken turnup truck did you fall off of? Or are you just like every other lying Aruban turning your back to JUSTICE for a sociopathic PUNK who should not be allowed to see the light of day! I am totally amazed at how many ignorant people fit on that island!
I think this belongs on this thread. My error… sorry:
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ANewGirl on February 16th, 2009 1:44 pm
#15- Hi, Hope—
Well you go right ahead and breathe all you want. Please don’t paint me as the bad guy just because I agreed with some other posters on here about you going on and on about religion.
I’m happy you pray and that you believe in God, so don’t I. I just don’t post about it continually and in great length in every post. Plus, that Arawack stuff on NH was just plain whack, Girl, I am sorry. JMO
Peace to all who Enter Here-
New Girl from Boston =)
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HOPE February 15th, 2009 2:34 pm
New Girl?
It may be whack to you. But to say that there are no Arawaks that do these things is being naive… and human trafficking? How do you think they get these virgins to feed to their gods? But, more importantly, was the manner of death the reason why the body at the rocks was covered, denied and disappeared? And, if manner of death is what it appeared to be, how many others were sacrificed that night and how often is this ritual performed?
Do you think the Slaying of the Dragon was, mere, coincidence? I don’t. I think there is a Great Dragon that has a multitude of people in its clutches. But, I think Natalee was marketed; while the girl at the rocks was meant to look like Natalee. I think Shango knows alot about human trafficking than people give him credit for. Secret caves, corridors connecting to the red light district and leading out to the sea. I also believe there was a jet that sat on the runway for two days waiting for Natalee to come out of drug rehab… but, not one that was hired by her parents.
And… yes, I believe that Paulus is a big time operator in the marketing of human beings. There are plenty who think otherwise, as they are the most vocal. I would pray that the final concensus is not that I’ve lost my mind, because I have put a lot of energy into my research as has the State Department.
HOPE on February 16th, 2009 3:00 pm
P.S.
That is why it’s important to plea with the United Nations. This is an international crime that is being committed day-in and day-out in magnitude proportions. Children are being snatched from the arms of their mothers to be fed to the Lion, as Shango referred to him… and beautiful women, like Natalee, are being sold into slavery.
800,000 people disappear every year, mostly women and children.
It’s time to Slay the Dragon!
But, I will add… It’s up to the Holloways.
Thanks for the heads-up, Vicki
ARUBA sucks it! Drop a bomb on them.
Feed the lions.
Bang A Gong, Get It On. -T. Rex
Lip service at the beginning and lip service even now. No body no crime were the words of Paulos.
Corrupt family, island and government.
They are all into white slavery.
There is a show coming in boston…anyone want to go???we have everything you need…Come on lets do BOSTON….
#41-Hope
Hi Again, HOPE—
Shango is legit. So is most of what you say about Paulus VDS, human trafficking, the corruption on that Island. Please know I do not doubt much or any of what you post regarding NH & the Aruba situation, I know you have spent a lot of energy and time researching it. Like so many of us here, I am sure you have followed it from day one.
I believe your heart is always in the right place, and that is so much better than many others have to offer….so for that—I’m thankful.
All the Best- NG from Boston
Please come to Boston for the Spring time.
What do you think, New Girl?
Tazman!
That takes me back!
Even Patti’s here…
Awesome!
(address)
February 16, 2008
The Hon. Ank Bijleveld-Schouten
State Secretary for Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations
Ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken en Koninksrijkrelaties
Postbus 20011
2500 EA Den Haag
The Netherlands
Dear Madam Secretary:
In a recent news article you were quoted as saying that the Netherlands has done “everything possible” in the case of Natalee Holloway, missing in Aruba since May 2005. The url to this article follows:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52636.php
As an American concerned about this tragedy, I find this statement frankly astonishing. I therefore wish to submit for your consideration some additional measures that the Netherlands could undertake, particularly since, I understand, Aruba has handed over to it jurisdiction over this case:
1.
Help provide funding for the search offshore Aruba. I have never understood why the financial burden for this mission should be the responsibility of the family and of American supporters and volunteers. Texas Equusearch, as you are aware, has carried out efforts in this regard. Before funding was exhausted, it had identified a number of sites of particular interest. Since the initial search was made possible by American generosity, perhaps the Dutch government could assist with the investigation of an obvious crime that took place in Aruba.
2.
Refer to the Dutch body responsible for legal propriety the behavior of Paulus van der Sloot, who continues to work for the Aruban government despite having provided contradictory explanations for his statements and behavior at the time of Natalee’s disappearance. As you are aware, the Aruban government itself overturned his request for additional “damages” following his arrest on these grounds. One would think that this prima facie impropriety would suffice for disbarment: while apparently it does not on Aruba, the Dutch bar may take an interest.
3.
Investigate the activities of Jan van der Straaten, chief of police on Aruba at the time of Natalee’s disappearance and a known friend of Paulus van der Sloot. It was van der Straaten who said he knew that Natalee was dead “because I’ve seen the evidence and you haven’t”; to my understanding, none of this evidence has been produced. That alone casts suspicion on this statement. Any full-scale investigation of this tragedy must include the sworn testimony of van der Straaten; it is inconceivable that no such testimony has yet been demanded.
4.
Natalee’s father, Mr. Dave Holloway, said in his book “Aruba” that narcotics detective Dennis Jacobs (after asking “How much money have you got?”) warned him that drugging of drinks at Carlos ‘n’ Charlies was known to occur. One presumes that Aruba, where American tourism at the time accounted for 80 percent of the economy, would have some interest in protecting foreign visitors. Yet apparently this situation was tolerated. Perhaps the Netherlands might investigate this, as well as why a narcotics detective was assigned to a missing-person case.
5.
The testimony that various persons in the Netherlands have already provided might be reviewed. In one case, a person tied to the main suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was said to be unable to cause harm to her because he was homosexual. The logic of this statement is elusive.
6.
Aruba has said that it has given jurisdiction over this case to the Netherlands. That being so, perhaps as a gesture of good will, attorneys for Natalee’s family might be allowed to inspect the Aruban police files. I believe that such access now is allowed only if the case is closed.
7.
A review of security tapes from the casino where Natalee was seen in the company of Joran van der Sloot would be in order. It seems that parts of those tapes were made public over a period of time, but the full tapes apparently have not been released. In one shot, a person with a strong resemblance to Paulus van der Sloot appears to be addressing Natalee. Aruba has said that that person was an (unnamed) cook on the island, but the visual identification of that figure with van der Sloot is persuasive. Certainly the Netherlands could resolve this question.
8.
The family previously announced a reward for information leading to a solution of this case. Perhaps the Netherlands could contribute to such a reward and help publicize it.
I also wish to remind you of the case of Amy Bradley, an American who in March 1998 vanished from a cruise ship as it was docking in Curacao. The previous day, her ship had stopped in Aruba and certain crew members were urging her to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies, the same bar from which Natalee vanished. It is not known whether common factors or persons were involved in the two cases, but photographs, sightings, and other evidence strongly suggests that Amy remains alive, in a situation of duress. Meanwhile, Curacao seems as indifferent to the family’s plight as is Aruba towards Natalee.
Should you be interested, I will gladly suggest many more ways in which the Netherlands could act. I send these few merely to show that your statement that the Netherlands has “done everything possible” is anything but accurate. As I write this letter, a news story says that Dutch scientists are testing a pill that erases painful memories. No such pill exists for the families of Natalee Holloway or Amy Bradley, nor does any pill exist that, in the absence of new initiatives, will convince Americans that the Dutch government is devoted to uncovering the truth and prosecuting the guilty in these cases.
Respectfully,
(Richard)
cc: Royal Netherlands Embassy to the United States, Washington, D.C.
ANewGirl … Did the moderator forward to you the message asking that you contact me?
#46 – Hello Vicki
Susan from Alabama here.
I spoke with you and Richard while I was in the DC area on business back in June of last year.
Do you have the dates, place, and booth for the Boston event?
Do you have any information on other travel show locations?
Hoping all is well with you
The Boston travel show is scheduled for this coming weekend, Feb. 20-22. Unfortunately, as far as I know, nobody has applied for a permit to hold the event. I can think of only one way that the permit might possibly be obtained at this late stage, and am looking into it, but the odds are not good.
Anyone who might be interested in taking part, should we be able to pull this off, is encouraged urgently to contact the JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com to keep up with events.
Richard,
that pill prob. is xtc.
am curious what they will say and/or do.
my bet is: nothing.
Dolf, all that we can do is keep trying. I think my next letter will be to the U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands. No doubt he’ll be shaken….
Great Job, Richard!
I would like to attend one of the travel shows
There are some last-minute maneuverings going on to try to get a permit for the Boston show this weekend … can’t say anything more about it now.
true, all you can do is try.
Hope that somebody will listen though (to us they only do that once every 4 years)
Let’s face it; if this had happen in the United States, does anyone disagree with the statement, “Joran would be in jail at this time.”
If you disagree, I would like to hear from you.
Jerry
Done everything reasonable? What a joke.
They have Joran’s own admission that he sexually assaulted Natalee while she went in and out of consciousness. Did they act on that? Nope. They have Aruba bringing charges against Guido for heavy battery. Whatever came of that other than him getting some lawyer from Europe? I will tell you…nothing! We never heard anymore of it. Don’t you have to have evidence of heavy battery before you charge someone with it? How about framing two innocent security guards with their “strong evidence” when they knew all along the entire story given by Joran and his buddies was false? Then, we have Paulus sitting by Natalee at the gambling table…talking to her. She disappeared shortly thereafter. Did they ever address that? Nope. Did they ever get Pauls’ timeline for that night? Nope. They did manage to get a letter from Janssen though saying Paulus is no longer a suspect. An innocent person does not cover his head and run from all the cameras and or sweat like a pig when being questioned about something he is innocent of. This whole thing has been a cover up since day one. They all know what happened to Natalee that night. They all know where she is. They have no intention of ever “doing everything reasonable” to give Natalee and her family the justice she deserves. They will get what is coming to them in the end though. They all will.
Libby on February 18th, 2009 8:01 am
Amen to your post…! What about Jacobs questioning the Kalpoes on the first night if Joran and Natalee were at the beach and if they got out at the fisherman’s huts.. The alibi the 3 used was…we dropped her off at the hotel and she hit her head, shoved Joran and said I can walk on my own (Yeah we know Joran was a victim of Natalee, What a joke…!) and the 2 black guards got her.. They didn’t even use the dropped off at the fisherman’s huts alibi until after they were arrested about a week later.. Does Dennis Jacobs have esp?,, lo and behold a week later after Jacobs asks the Kalpoes, that becomes their alibi.. btw who picked Joran up that night? We all know he didn’t walk home barefoot.. Why was Paulus caught lying on tv..when he said Joran sneaked out again the next night..after his police statement says he gave Joran permission to go out that night.. We all know he didn’t sneak out either night. He ran the streets half the night gambling etc..Why did Paulus have to get everyone away from the house the night Beth and Jug showed up? Why was Paulus looking up alcohol, drugs, effects on young people and attorneys the next night? The answers to what happened to Natalee can be found.. with the 3 last known people with her..4 years no citings..just more bs and lies to try to cover up more of that night..by VDS cronies.. 4 years later, noone has come forward to change the fact the last 3 with Natalee was..Satish, Deepak, and Joran.. except for themselves.and we all know they just lie and deceive.. The truth never changes..
Waterboy: OJ Simpson.
Libby,
Dutch gov. did more for miss. Holloway then they do for a Dutch citizen in a similair situation.
but, yes, hopefully the ones to blame get what they deserve.
Dolf,
O.J. is in the Big House now.
Jerry
Dolf,
As I type this, OJ and his roomy are trading psychopathic tells of misfortune and shrieking narratives of mistreatment and bias.
Jerry
Jerry,
serves him right
no love for murderers, rapists here
#52—Richard…No didn’t hear from Klaas….I’m actually going to be in North Conway, NH this weekend…but still kicking around in the office on Friday if you need anything or can be reached by email..
=) NG From Boston
64 Dolf:
I beg to differ with you.
They found Marles and prosecuted the criminal!!!!
#69:
But, what about ALL the others?
Pfffft!
with Marlies they found the murderer and he confessed.
Dolf on February 20th, 2009 2:21 am
with Marlies they found the murderer and he confessed.
Well they found Natalee’s too and he confessed over and over ad naseum..to do things to her..let’s see fondling her while she’s going in and out consciousness, took her out and dumped her without knowing she was dead or not, deepak raped and buried her, cops even announced that one of the 3 confessed, then said oh never mind… Straten told, that he believes Natalee is dead because he seen the evidence on June 5th, Steve Cohen announced 2 of the 3 had sex with Natalee and he expected them to be charged with rape and murder..You know Steve Cohen, the paid Aruban spokesman that said he was kept up to date on the case. Why would the tourism spokespeople have access to police files? Heavy battery against Natalee, he went from all kinds of sexual stuff with Natalee to nothing he didn’t have a condom, they had Natalee drunk and sober at the same time consenting to sex. The prosecutor said Paulus and Anita hindered the investigation. Called witnesses over to the house to ask them what they said. Deepak suddenly can’t remember nothing unless it’s to say he didn’t do nothing. Can’t remember about all those talks Paulus had with them and what he told them, except the day after Natalee is gone, Paulus told them no body, no case. Prosecutor said she was investigating this as a sex crime. What about the 2 men who went down with Jug and Beth,,that was on Greta’s show not long ago..one said. Straten said to them , How can I do this to my best friend’s son. meaning Joran and Paulus.. Was also told Straten was Joran’s godfather.. What kind of innocent people would go through such bs? NONE! Do you know any innocent people who would go through this. Most would tell the truth right off, and even volunteer a polygraph if they were really innocent. Why would be believe they ever told Natalee the truth on that night, when they haven’t spoken the truth in 4 years? Like I said the truth never changes and in 4 years one thing has never changed..Natalee was last seen in the company of Deepak, Satish and Joran and noone has come forward to change that in all this time. Noone evaporates on a small island or gets off without id, money, transportation, passport, clothing, food etc.. Instead Aruba tried to turn Natalee in to some drunk, loose, addict.. to make it look like she deserved it. Natalee was none of those. The VDS and Kalpoe family imo are much like the Anthony family.
Good morning Monkeys.
It’s bloody misty here with a sight of 10 yards.
There came a woman on my site who tries to tell me that I better have to forget about Natalee. So I said farewell to her.
Uhh?.. Because if I have to forget her why then not you? And so she went…
Can we forget Natalee? No!!!
So we have the Police/FBI who must have a lot of information… which we don’t hear. Bothers me sometimes a lot, but you have to live with that fact.
We have a boy/little man who is in the picture. And who is telling amazing stories. Saying that nobody would believe the truth and the truth would hurt.
The guy who made the movie of the year said after hearing that she could be still alive… tells on his weblog that he doesn’t believe it: just a feeling… but dead! -No hope.
We also have the stories of Aruba, where also a journalist is working for years on the case of Natalee.
On that bloody Aruba are people shutting up there face!
Not only in the Parliament but also between the local people.
No one dares to step forwards…
We have a well known proverb: “Through the trees you cannot see the forest anymore”.
There are better sounds… may be she ìs alive. But the rumors are still not clear enough.
But I like the last one the most…
Greetings,
Herman707
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check out the girls in this photograph, natalee in picture? nobody knows,so far nobody I’ve contacted has responded including fox news.it’s like nobody is soppose to find her,if anybody out there can enlarge and clarify the picture please please do so.these women in this picture are in all likelyhood hostages and men with credit cards are paying the kidnappers money so they can sexually asault the victim and then leave the hostage in the hands of the kiddnapers so others can assault them too.anyway here the place the photogragh can be found tokyo.craigslist.jp/ers/994667815.html just cut and paste in the address bar
# bloodhound on Your comment is awaiting moderation. February 22nd, 2009 5:46 am
also here’s another picture which I ‘ve not recieved any feedback on.the girl sure looks like natalee,but could use another opinion,just because see’s smiling in the picture anything and the she probably didn’t know that it was going to be used to sell her on craigslist,evan the ad itself was probably written up by kiddnappers,o.k here’s the address sydney.craigslist.com.au/ers/997529164.html
@Bloodhound
I think we better wait for the time that Natalee will speak for her own.
I don’t think this works…
Just wait -even if you have the trust on God- for the right time.
In the mean time: this week my wife and me have a new car this week on Thursday: blue/green coulered. A little Ferrari.
Just have some fun against the stress.
Believe me: there are certain people who have some more power than we do to help Natalee out and coming back one day.
Would be a wonderful day I hope.
Because, after all: I love to see Beth, Dave and her friends and NATALEE seeïng smiling again one da.
I hope so, even for us all.
Perhaps we have to realize that this all is no funny sensation. I’m afraid the answer is nòt coming from Joràn or some others…
But the message from rumors is: she’s coming back!
We’ll see.
Greetings,
Herman707
Maggie, if only it was so simple.
we can’t throw ppl in jail just because they say they did something and there is no proof that they did it (yes, I believe Joran is quilty).
Joran didn’t realy confess, the other guy did.
carlos’n charlie’s owners the place where natalee was kidnapped from,also own a brothel on margerita island called charlie’s carlos. if I was an idiot investigator I wouldn’t bother checking it out.evan at this late date,you know why because the owners are jewish and they are our masters and can do whatever it takes to feed themselves RIGHT
good news everyone the information I posted on feb 22 is time sensetive,which means it will be gone forever in a few days ,I sure glad the buffoons pretending to investigate this case,didn’t evan bother checking it out.
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SM: You mean this post of yours that I responded to on Feb 22nd? I told you the girl looks nothing like Natalee and you were FOS:
check out the girls in this photograph, natalee in picture? nobody knows,so far nobody I’ve contacted has responded including fox news.it’s like nobody is soppose to find her,if anybody out there can enlarge and clarify the picture please please do so.these women in this picture are in all likelyhood hostages and men with credit cards are paying the kidnappers money so they can sexually asault the victim and then leave the hostage in the hands of the kiddnapers so others can assault them too.anyway here the place the photogragh can be found tokyo.craigslist.jp/ers/994667815.html just cut and paste in the address bar
# bloodhound on Your comment is awaiting moderation. February 22nd, 2009 5:46 am
also here’s another picture which I ‘ve not recieved any feedback on.the girl sure looks like natalee,but could use another opinion,just because see’s smiling in the picture anything and the she probably didn’t know that it was going to be used to sell her on craigslist,evan the ad itself was probably written up by kiddnappers,o.k here’s the address sydney.craigslist.com.au/ers/997529164.html
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SM: Looks nothing like Natalee. Someone must be getting despirate or fearful to be posting BS like the above (klaasend)
Feb 22, 5:58 AM
I hear ya klassend ,not getting despirite,just asked for imput,how about the other picture?do you have the ability to enlarge and clarify,if you do,you might save someone in it.unfortunatly I ‘m not sure there’s any law enforcement agency that would bother to do anything,after all they don’t bother investigating missing people 18 years of age or older,if your over 17 your on your own,thats why when ever they target prostitution rings they almost always apoligeticaly emphasize that there were minors involed and thats why they did the raid.as if they needed to explain themselves
Lewis Black is the new front man for Aruba.
Some people will do anything for money.
Boycott Lewis Black?
http://www.lewisblackaruba.com/
Lewis Black? Probably where many of them hide their money..
Saw this on Greta’s Blog today..lalalala.. Hans Mos … He’s probably stressed out from all the investigating……….
under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren
I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull
Pollan plays Natalee Holloway’s mother
On Lifetime: Beth Holloway Twitty (Tracy Pollan) doesn’t give up her search in Natalee Holloway.
As the mother of four, Tracy Pollan could relate to the plight of Beth Holloway Twitty, whom she plays in Lifetime Movie Network’s Natalee Holloway (April 19, 8 ET/9 PT ).
Holloway is the Alabama teen who disappeared on a 2005 trip to Aruba. “I felt so much compassion for her, ” Pollan says of Twitty, from the set in South Africa. “That could be my daughter.”
Holloway (Amy Gumenick) disappeared after partying with several local men. Although suspects were detained, no one was charged in the case.
The movie is based on Twitty’s Loving Natalee. Pollan says it was initially tough to see Twitty. “It’s still an open wound,” says Pollan, 48. “Every day, the scenes must have been gut-wrenching. But she’s an amazing person.”
[NOTE: The following article is a press release issued by the aforementioned network and/or company. Any errors, typos, etc. are attributed to the original author. The release is reproduced solely for the dissemination of the enclosed information.]
EMMY AWARD NOMINEE TRACY POLLAN STARS IN THE HIGHLY ANTICIPATED LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK ORIGINAL FILM NATALEE HOLLOWAY
LOS ANGELES, CA (March 17, 2009) The harrowing true story of a teenage girl who vanished while vacationing in Aruba is the backdrop of Natalee Holloway, a Lifetime Movie Network original film about a mother’s search for truth and justice. Tracy Pollan (Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) stars as “Beth Twitty,” Natalee Holloway’s mother, in the highly anticipated movie based on Twitty’s book, Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith. The emotionally charged film also stars Grant Show (Swingtown) as Beth’s husband “Jug Twitty,” Catherine Dent (The Shield) as Beth’s best friend and newcomer Amy Gumenick as “Natalee Holloway.” Natalee Holloway premieres Sunday, April 19, at 8 pm (ET)/9 pm (PT) on Lifetime Movie Network, Lifetime’s sister network and the second highest rated women’s channel.
ABOUT NATALEE HOLLOWAY
Teenager Natalee Holloway vanished in 2005 while visiting Aruba on a senior class trip. In a passionate and relentless effort to discover the truth behind her daughter’s disappearance, Beth Twitty captured the nation’s attention by working tirelessly to solve the mystery that shattered her family’s life. Today, Twitty continues to speak publicly about the potential dangers of international travel. Her resolve and unwavering strength are at the center of this emotional story that takes viewers behind the headlines and into the heart of an extraordinary woman.
Immediately following the film, Lifetime Movie Network will air a public service announcement (PSA) featuring Beth Twitty. The PSA will educate and inform viewers about how to remain safe while traveling abroad.
“There seems to be a common thread among all of us who have experienced a devastating or traumatic event, and that is the wanting to reach out to others whether it’s through philanthropic events or in my case, taking Natalee’s story podium to podium, high school to high school and college to college” said Twitty. “You want to make a difference and ensure that no other family will have to endure the same tragedy.”
I check in everyday to see if someone finally grew a brain and a heart in Aruba.. They could have solved this 4 years ago and spared themselves all the bs.. along with all the further heartache and trauma to Natalee’s family. All the heartache they have caused this family and then go out and try to cash in on it repeatedly.. and blame the victims. I really don’t care how beautiful some say it is.. no amount of beauty is worth losing your child forever,,that is the worst, but then to be faced with the likes of the Kalpoes, Van der Sloots, Straten, Dompig, Jacobs, Mos, Croes etc.. how pathetic they are. Hey Aruba wake up, you know what happened to Natalee in May of 2005, stop pretending it’s a big mystery..
I check in every day too Maggie…hoping for a miracle because that is what it is going to take. We will never be able to count on ANYONE in Aruba or the Netherlands to give Natalee justice. They have proven that. They know what happened. They know where Natalee is and they know each and every person involved…yet they do nothing.
The miracle / justice will have to come from God. Natalee and her family will some day get justice.
Paulus, Joran, the K brothers, Van der stratten, Karen, Croes etc will get their justice too only it will be much different.
Ok, so what’a this I am hearing that they have found Natalee’s body ….anybody got any news on this?
There is a report in a Florida publication. I don’t think anything is confirmed and personally I don’t believe it. Looks like alerts have gone out though and everyone is picking the story up from here:
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/03/natalee_holloway_body_found_aruba.php
I don’t believe it either.. If they found her body, why would they need a dog from miami to verify it? Don’t they have people who do autopsies.. besides getting rid of her body was part of the cover up from the start.
Greta has this posted..
Earlier today we were told there was a new investigation going on in Aruba. (Actually, there was a rumor that grossly overstated what the investigation had discovered.) This press release below was in Dutch so we had to scramble to try and translate:
From: Miller, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009
To:
Subject: FW: Pressrelease Holloway march 20, 2009
ROUGH translation…per Google
Today in Aruba is a conductor with his dog sniffer dogs arrived.
He has been asked by Dave Holloway to search for the remains of his missing daughter Natalee.
The tracker will search in a flooded dam on the island which previously was a witness stated. The Public Ministry has no reason to believe, as has been repeatedly notified that the body of Natalee Holloway in the dam area. Because Dave Holloway, to tell the tracker, no rest before he was able to convince itself, the rule for the tracker are going to go. The man with the Public Ministry and the police agreed on his search. The police will supervise.