RSSBarack Obama the Socialist & Marxist 2001: Bring About “Redistributive Change” … Who Needs the Constitution.
America, you want political honesty that is as frightening as it gets. Listen to Barack Obama and his views of redistribution of the wealth and the US Constitution be damned. The hell with what the Founding Fathers had in plan and the heck with the Constitution, Barack Obama’s visions to achieve “social justice” through “redistributive change” are right and our Founding Fathers were wrong. There is change you can not only believe in but are about to empower. You thought we were joking with Obama’s new National Anthem.
All American voters best take a good listen at what Barack Obama, The Chosen one had to say and “redistribution of wealth” in America in 2001. The interview is from Chicago Public radio. If he smells like a socialist, walks like a socialist and talks like a socialist … Wake up America, he, “The One” is a socialist.
Michelle Malkin discusses the explanation from the Obamamessia in response to a call in question regarding how he would do “reparative economic work.”
A caller asks The One to explain how he would do “reparative economic work.” Obama gives the legislative route two thumbs up as his preferred method of “breaking free of the constraints” placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution and then burbles about cobbling together the “actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.”
In Obama’s America, we’ll finally be able to break free of the “constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution” — and in so doing, achieve “social justice” through “redistributive change.”
Well, then. Fine .
But this is not the America I knew…
It seems that Joe the Plumber has only hit upon a small piece of Obama’s socialist iceberg. It appears that Joe the Plumber has awakened a sleeping socialist. No wonder the LEFT was so hell bent on destroying and discrediting Joe. BTW, it appears that Americans are overwhelmingly against redistribution of wealth 84% to 13%. Your vote does matter on election day … do you really want to elect socialism?
News flash to McCain campaign … fire up the political ads and start replaying this clip in every battleground state. AUDIO PROOF FROM 2001 THAT OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST.
For the critics who think that the above interview was edited, Stop the ACLU has the original interview.
Transcript from Stop the ACLU as well:
If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court. I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I’d be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.
I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn’t structured that way.
Posted October 27, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Barack Obama, Bizarre, Economy, Government, Politics, Presidential Election 2008, WTF, You Tube - VIDEO | 126 comments |
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The Barack Obama the hard working Americans never knew. Once again I will say: if you are black and don’t like to work much: an Obama administration means a windfall for you.
However, if you work and believe on living within your means while you work and save to get ahead – under an Obama administration your hard work will be redistributed to those Obama believes deserve it.
Sen. Obama, may I suggest that your efforts to redistribute the wealth begin with politicians?
Oops, sorry, we’re not supposed to think that way.
“redistributive change” = ROFL
“redistribution of wealth”= SOCIALISIM
“redistribute the barf bags” = Oh, Gag Me with a Spoon! Enough already! Yes, we may have to recycle all the barf bags we’ll be needing to use to swallow this crock of BS, too.
Why can’t the everyday man and woman see what is clearly BEHIND ALL OF BARACK’s catch phrases and WORDS:
SO.CIAL.ism ( so’she-liz-em) N. A social system or theory in which the producers possess political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.
That’s change we can believe in alright! You better believe it is happening sooner than later if Obama gets in.
***McCain/Palin ’08***
I’d rather have a socialist in office than a communist like Palin.
What is bailing out banks and wall street if not socialism? Not all socialism is bad.we seem to think,in this country,that socialism=russia. It doesn’t.ask any other industrialized nation-you know,the ones that all have health care,etc,where people live longer and healthier than us,etc.
Helen Keller, who was blind and deaf from the age of <1, was a hater of war and a lover of the Socialistic dogma…I am an accountant. I come from great wealth going back to the 19th century. In my heart I believe that we MUST support Barack Obama or else we shall be in that endless spiral of supporting the wealthy beneficiaries of the lobbyists of big oil, big pharma, and big egos.
It is time for change, but not for the fantasy world of John and Sarah.
Perhaps this is what it’s all about:
Time to get those filthy rich white folks!
The type of ppl who cannot add those two digit r the type of ppl who’ll b voting for M/P!
this is getting a little redundant! if u need a computer or one of “them calculators” to add that, you r dumber than Bush babies…oh no, the TWINS!
Go take in the matinee of “W” then get back 2 me!
DOH!
In the news:
“Obama campaign CUTS OFF Florida TV station from further interviews.”
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
why wouldn’t the computer allow me to say 1 + 1 = two? Or does E=mc2 not exist on that plane that Einstein quantum physicked not?
Does Sarah P. even come close to understanding what a proof is, or is she still in denial about the evolution of the human species?
Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
Obama is our next 911.
Once this man is elected you will find out what we have been trying to say about this man. You will not like his kind of change. It will be much worse than what any us could dream. BUT it will be too late, can’t change it or stop it once he is their. It will be a hard lesson to learn.
Why go down this road, can’t you see the warning signs, can’t you see the bridge is out. Were shouting and waving for you to stop. Think about what your fixing to do, not just to yourself but to the rest of us. This will be our last days as a great nation.
I don’t want my kids to grow up in the nation of Obama. Just think what happen on 9-11. Muslins attacked us. Look at how many people that are muslins around Obama and I believe that he is a muslin. He had to say he was a Christian to get elected.
Bidden already warned us of some horrible event and we would not think they are doing the right thing. That sounds like it will be a decision that will be un-American.
God help uncover the eyes of the people that are for this man.
Spookier and Scarier (for this great country) than Halloween i think. Sadly I do not think my vote for McCain will have much sway in Minnesota where voters are heavily favoring Obama. I will stick to my political conscience and mark the ballot Libertarian.
In one of the debates, I also heard Obama allude to Globalization- one World, one monetary standard- in response to a question about handling the global market collapse (which was how I interpreted the response, is scary stuff). It was brief, but the word Globalization did slip. I’ve heard discussions about negative repercussions of what could happen in event of that on Coast to Coast night radio show. Please do not sell out this country that our fathers and grandfathers worked so hard to build.
Those reading… even if you vote for none of the above, go vote. Your vote could make a difference. I once heard it said that if all the people who did not bother to vote did go vote it could be enough for a third party to win.
OBAMA = SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA!
Steve: the people making the comments here for Obama are people who expect to be the recipients of that wealth redistribution. They hear us loud and clear.
The part they don’t get is that even if they get some redistribution, it won’t be for long. The other part they don’t get is just how deep Obama’s tax cuts will go – because they don’t understand that Obama doesn’t count phased out tax credits and expiring Bush tax cuts will affect (increase taxes) those making as little as $25,000.
And, because unlike what #5 says (and yes, bailing out banks IS socialism but it was the Democrats who forced this crap sandwich on us), people under a socialized state DO NOT live longer or get better health care. We know that because those that can afford to do so, come to the USA for their health care.
obama is turning family, friends, neighbors, against each other. he is creating chaos and he knows it. he wants it this way when he executes his communist plan.
one good thing, Americans are arming themselves against this devil. firearm sale are at an all time high due to the obama scam.
remember only the weak minded can be snowed by this snake. most obama supporters cannot even understand his plan, they just think he is going to hand out money to the poor. WRONG . he is now saying this one world crap. the beast will woo all his followers, he will show them great things, he will preach world peace. HE WILL DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.
richard, obama isn’t living in that $l,500,000 house in chicago because he believes or allows his personal wealth to be spread around. he promised to help that school/orphanage in his father’s home village because they were having to close it because they needed $6,000 to keep the school open. they school is closed now because obama didn’t keep his promise to them. why should we expect differently from him now.
dennisintn
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to continue.
as with hitler’s socialist movement started, he’ll take our money now for redistribution but you won’t ever get obama’s personal stash.
dennisintn
#16 – “people under a socialized state DO NOT live longer or get better health care. We know that because those that can afford to do so, come to the USA for their health care.”
My father had to wait two months to get his by-pass surgery in Canada. And the day of his surgery, as they were wheeling him into the operating room, they cancelled right there because the doctor was called to another hospital. Hail socialist medicine.
I’ve seen this before, but think it bears repeating:
“How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
‘A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.’
‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.’
‘From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.’
‘The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years’
‘During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage’
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: ‘In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…’ Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the ‘complacency and apathy’ phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the ‘governmental dependency’ phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.”
If we do not guard our freedoms, we don’t deserve to keep them.
Here is how it is going to go. Whatever is yours is now the governments, for them to decide who is worthy of it. Plain and simple.
Father Jonathan: Obama’s No Robin Hood
Robin Hood is a legitimate hero, not because he robbed from the rich and gave to the poor, but rather because he returned to the poor what lawfully belonged to them.
This distinction is what separates the just goals of Robin and his band of “Merry Men” from the dehumanizing economic theory of “redistribution of wealth”—a hallmark of socialism—as explained and supported by Senator Barack Obama in his 2001 interview with Chicago Public Radio, just recently rediscovered by the media.
While the famed green archer risked his life in defense of the natural right to retain private property (from thieves like the cruel sheriff of Nottingham and King John who stripped peasants of their land and livelihood), in this interview Senator Obama questions to what extent this right even exists.
But don’t take my word for it. Listen to it. Did you hear what I heard?
There can be no longer any doubt. Senator Obama’s enduring political philosophy is socialist at the core. And his leanings, in this regard, are radical; he would like to see all three branches of the federal government play a role in restructuring our society according to “redistributive” economic principles.
As I listen to the interview, I must say it is hard to believe our leading United States presidential candidate said, just seven years ago, that it is a tragedy the civil rights movement failed to get the Supreme Court to venture into the issues of redistribution of wealth. It is hard to believe the leading United States presidential candidate said, just seven years ago, “any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing economic change through the courts.” It is hard to believe the leading United States presidential candidate suggested, just seven years ago, we should be seeking legislative and administrative avenues to effect “redistributive change,” since it is impractical now to get the courts to do it on their own. It’s even harder to believe the leading United States presidential candidate, just seven years ago, was talking about the importance of community organizers “putting together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.”
But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. Seven years later, and just one month before Election Day, Senator Obama said to Joe the Plumber, word for word, “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everyone.”
I don’t doubt Senator Obama’s good will. In fact, he is right about many things.
The great divide between the rich and the poor in our times is scandalous and reprehensible. And the blessings of this earth were destined by God for the common good of all his creatures.
But we know from history, from very sad periods of history, there is no real justice—no progress and no lasting peace—when its pursuit involves beating down some to lift up others. And we also know, by the dictates of reason and the practice of all ages, that when the government decides it can suspend the natural right to private property, through repossession or redistribution, or whatever they choose to call it, that government is on the wrong side of truth.
Just ask Robin Hood.
God bless,
Father Jonathan
Father Jonathan Morris is author of the new book, “The Promise: God’s Purpose and Plan for when Life Hurts. For information go to http://www.fatherjonathan.com
Good point dennisintn: Those designer suits don’t come from Men’s Wearhouse either! One needs only look at the size of their charitable contributions compared to their income to know what they think of using THEIR money to help others. But then you need to understand that the price of Arugula has been going up……..
Dear #8…when you suggest the idiots will be voting for M/P…does m/p stand for Marxist Progression? (which translates to Obama/Biden)
LOL this was posted on the Trading Post
Monday, October 27, 2008
My waiter had an Obama ’08 tie on so………..
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to himthat I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stoodthere in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute histip to someone who I deemed more in need–the homeless guy outside. Theserver angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the serverinside as I’ve decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy wasgrateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realizedthe homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in conceptthan in practical application. I thought the server would be excited that I was buying into theredistribution theory! Boy was I wrong!H/T: )
Please understand that posters such as Elmer Fudd are hypnotized and have no will of their own. They lost their freedom long ago as the freedom our forefathers fought and died for is the freedom from WITHIN…not freedom to rob those who are responsible with their lives/money to pay for those who are not.
THAT is what Obama promises…and since a huge portion of American citizens are useless leeches any more they are eager to vote for the guy who will help them pillage and plunder for them so they can contine and not improve themselves on the inside. Hell, there’s nothing in there to be improved upon if you’re already anti-American minded enough to vote for the socialist.
#19 “he’ll take our money now for redistribution but you won’t ever get obama’s personal stash.”
He won’t get Bidens’ shotguns either. Damn sure he will come for ours.
if barry cares so much about his grandmother, why does she live in a slum in Hawaii ?
he’s using her for sympathy. ol’ joe biden has realized that he has sold his soul to the devil and he is now trying to warn us of the disaster coming by way of your boy barry o.
barry knew he would not make it this far without a white running mate. mark my words, “if” he wins the election, joe will be kicked to the side and colin “the traitor to his country” powell will replace him.
#25 Brenda…I like the way you think :O)
Too bad the blacks are backing O’Bama …that just tells me they are prejudice! I thought the blacks had come a long way from being discriminated and had their freedom to go after the American dream…but instead they are voting
for a man because of the color of their skin.
They are setting this nation back a life time by doing this. O’Bama will never allow them or anyone else to achieve their dreams. He will make sure his socialist communist government rules over everyone.
#21 – This is probably one of the best posts I’ve read anywhere on this board. Thank you.
#19 – dennisintn, Hitler stood for national socialism, which is not the same as socialism.
Hi Sharon…it’s COLD here in Salem, Virginia today where Sarah Palin is coming @ 5:30pm. Bet it is colder still where you are :>)
Wish I could stay to see her, but alas I’ve been up since 5am and need to get home quickly after work today (live 1 hr away). I was at the Salem Stadium all day Sat for a marching band competition and the locals in front of me were discussing that Sarah was coming to the same place in 2 days. It’s a beautiful place for her to visit with that massive American Flag they fly there and the georgeous mountain view as it’s on a hilltop.
(by the way, my son’s marching band won #1 in the state in their category at that stadium Sat night :>)
#33 Your history is wrong. The National Socialist Workers Party was socialist indeed but not “Scientific” Socialism as practiced in the Soviet Union. Their methods, however were very much the same. The proposals of Obama which include the Obama Youth public service requirement starting at the age of 10 is also much the same.
For all literate rational readers of this blog, please read Mr Laffer’s article in today’s WSJ. It should give you some insight on how to best serve your self interest in the near future..JS
i would rather be in the position i’m in now, which is not well off but notpoor, but i am paying my bills and i don’t depend on the government , especially any government created by the terrorist barry o.
leave me poor you racist bastard and give all your money to your people that sit on their asses every day and whine about the government. blacks are going to string barry up when he can’t come through with his promise of free money ha.
Oh, great, now we have 2 stupid skinheads plotting to not only assassinate Obama, but rob a gun store and kill 102 African Americans. Not 100 or 200, 102. It’s all over the news, and will likely drown out any reports regarding Obama’s socialistic ideas. The timing on this seems very convenient. Does every harebrained plot to assassinate a candidate get this much press? I expect Sarah Palin has had alot of threats, you don’t hear about them, though. This one sounds like a pretty crazy, harebrained scheme.
ATF disrupts skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94328PG2&show_article=1
#34 Brenda….Kudo’s to your son….I love marching bands…even at my seasoned age
)
I am praying and believing that McCain is going to win. I think between the media and Acorn, the waters have been so dirty … and of course
with O’Bama always denying what affilications he has had in the past/present.
I don’t blame you for driving there since you have been up since 5pm and are a working gal.
I work in the loop in Chicago so I know what you mean …full day along with travel.
Have a great evening
) Sharon
National Socialism?
Socialism?
A rose is a rose by any other name…
People like the concept of “spreading the wealth around” IF you’re talking about
the wealth of filthy rich people.
But when the concept is applied to
“spreading INCOME around” – it means
YOUR INCOME. AND MY INCOME.
If you make $75K per year.
Consider keeping $40K of it and turning the other $35K over to the government.
Sound fair?
Didn’t think so…
THAT’S OBAMA 2008!
Thankfully the two stupid skinheads couldn’t keep their mouths shut and told too many people about their plans and they got busted. Let’s see how much the media will run with this one.
Sen. Ted Stevens found guilty in corruption case
Enough Said……GO REPUBLICANS..DRill Baby Drill!
nurturer on October 27th, 2008 8:19 am
In the news:
“Obama campaign CUTS OFF Florida TV station from further interviews.”
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
Here’s another one that’s been cut off for asking tough questions..
ANOTHER: Biden riled by Philly CBS affiliate anchors’ questioning(you know like the ones Sarah has gotten.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/206633.html
they are really trying everything now.
digging up 7 year old interviews about the civil rights era.
somehow tying it to the current situation.
i wonder what else they’ve got the coming few days.
too bad for McCain nothing catches on.
he better go campaigning in Arizona.
as he is only slightly ahead in the polls there.
ObamaNationals are furious!
Marxism/Socialism is the PLAN.
Bottoms UP, Nation! Spread that INCOME.
Does Sarah P. even come close to understanding what a proof is, or is she still in denial about the evolution of the human species?
Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska’s schools. She has said that students should be allowed to “debate both sides” of the evolution question, but she also said creationism “doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
Sen. Ted Stevens found guilty in corruption case
Time for Frank ‘n Dodd to take their turns?
Nah. It’s been arranged for hearings AFTER elections.
MARX – - – MARXIST – - – MARXISM – - -SOCIALISM
. . . no opportunity to flash the “race card.”
HOIST/PETARD
Mr. Bridge to Nowhere McCain / Palin on October 27th, 2008 3:21 pm
Sen. Ted Stevens found guilty in corruption case
Enough Said……GO REPUBLICANS..DRill Baby Drill!
You know what I say to that..GOOD!!!!!.. I don’t defend creeps no matter what side they are on. Wasn’t there a dem.not long ago that was found to be hiding large amounts of cash in his freezer? His trial hasn’t come up yet.
Sarah Palin help put some of the creeps in jail in Alaska.. One less creep on the street..is the way I look at it. I still support John McCain..He’s not Ted Stevens either.
HOW IS OBAMA MAINTAINING LEAD IN KEY STATES?!
HAS HIS CAMPAIGN BOUGHT THE VOTERS FROM UNIONS?
“If we vote for Obama, everyone will get a raise!”.
One worker whispers, “Obama’s policies are against my better judgment”.
Another worker answers,” Get over it! You want your raise don’t you?!”.
UNION VOTERS OF AMERICA!
We need you! YOU BUILT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEAR YE, HEAR YE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is a SOCIALIST in Sheep’s clothing!!!!!!
According to the Birth Record’s seal, Barack Hussein Obama’s “Birth Record” was recorded in 2005? – the Hawaiian hospital that issued the Birth Record has sealed their archives and will NOT permit anyone to verify Barack Hussein Obama’s live birth in that hospital per 1961!
Why is this relevant?:
Because Barack Hussein Obama’s birthplace issue, along with the 12 other documents listed below, is being intentionally withheld.
Is there something to hide?:
1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10.Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11.Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12.University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
13.Record of Baptism– Not released or ‘not available’
14.Illinois State Senate records–’not available’
This secrecy is relevant.
And if elected, Senator Obama’s admin will control a HUGE sector of our economy,
he will be Commander-in-Chief of our military, and the whole world will look to him as the
Leader of the Free World!
Would we recognize a “Hitler” if he rose – from the LEFT?!!
You know what I say to that..GOOD!!!!!.. I don’t defend creeps no matter what side they are on. Wasn’t there a dem.not long ago that was found to be hiding large amounts of cash in his freezer? His trial hasn’t come up yet.
Yes, Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-LA) holding the “cold cash.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/12/10/freezer-burn-cold-cash-jefferson-wins/
“WASHINGTON — When Barack Obama was seeking AFL-CIO support in the primaries, he promised to sign a bill that would effectively deprive workers of a private-ballot vote in unionization drives”
No Private Vote!!! if Obama wins
I wrote a while back about having been raised in Germany with all its socialized healthcare and let me tell you, you don’t want to have this in this country. If you enjoy seeing your doctor whom you have seen for years and have faith in, this will change when good ole Obama will tell you when to get sick and when you will be able to see a doctor. Hope that you will never need a specialist or have need for surgery. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
I’m afraid for our country, because he will have us heading in the direction of Venezuela and all other communist countries that he will”sit down and have nice chats with”.
“How would you like elections without secret ballots? To most people, the notion of getting rid of secret ballots is absurd. This is modern-day America. Such an idea could not be seriously considered, right?”
(…)
“But if Barack Obama becomes president, secret ballots seem destined to end for at least one type of election: union certifications.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356643,00.html
#52 Cinderderella
Maybe you should go work for the McSame campain. You know how many times I’ve seen that same B.S on this site? Come on..give me a break..if this was so true McSame and all the rednecks with guns would be out with the KKK members trying to figure out a way to take out obama. Wait..they’re already planning that. My bad….
Anway…it would be the only way Kermit McFrog would win.
Promises of hope from an Empty Suit
will only get you Empty PROMISES.
That ONE is a “do-Little”.
He’s done little in Congress,
he’ll DO-LITTLE for you.
Bottom up economics means the bottom
gets YOUR MONEY.
Your MONEY goes to the
LITTLE DO-LITTLES.
From: Walshe, Shushannah
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:58 PM
To:
Subject: Urgent: Palin statement on stevens
Tarmac in Richmond
“This is a sad day for Alaska and a sad day for Sen. Stevens and for his
family. The verdict shines a light though on the corrupting influence of
the big oil service company up there in Alaska that was allowed to
control too much of our state and that control was part of the culture
of corruption that I was elected to fight and that fight must always
move forward regardless of party afiliation, or seniority or even past
service and as the Gov. of Alaska I will carefully now monitor the
situation and I will take any appropriate action as needed. In the mean
time I do ask that the ppl of Alaska join me in respecting the workings
of our judicial system and I’m confident that Sen. Stevens from this
point on will do the right thing for the state of Alaska.” .
She took no questions.
Gee… I wonder when they made these arrests…
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94328PG2&show_article=1
Saturday?
.
If we have our streets full of haters…
We all lose.
.
Just to correct a statement made earlier:
Gun sales are not the highest they’ve ever been.
They are the only type of retail sales that
went up during the month of September.
It’s hunting season on the four legged animal-types.
Obama/Biden 2008
Been away for a couple of days…….I guess the conspiracy theorists among you will hypothesize that I was out forging my birth records?
#17/36 (Super) Dave……I asked you to take off the white hood last week, but clearly you weren’t listening. You suggest that Senator Obama is breaking up families and creating arguments amongst neighbors. Yet you speak of firearms and “stringing up”. Who’s using divisive language now Dave? Again I ask you WTF?????? Clearly your anger control meds aren’t working! Time to make another doctor’s appointment.
#13 Muslin?????? Muslin is a kind of fabric! If Obama is “muslin” does that make McCain “rayon”?
#21 Hamline University? Never heard of it! It doensn’t rank in the top 100 law programs in the nation. I guess there’s a reason the media doesn’t often run out to Hamline for “expert” opinion. Oh, by the way, this Democrat owns a home and has a salaried job. I am married to a Democrat with a salaried job. We live in a city of 700,000+ and have a low murder rate. Oh……I almost forgot……we pay taxes! What a bunch of crap offered up by Professor Olson. You ate it up and asked for a second helping!
On the topic of re-distribution of wealth……
“And why do we have to have tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans when the gap between the wealthiest American and the poorest Americans is growing?” Later he added, “We’re at war. Tell me one time in the history of this country when this nation was at war when we’ve enacted tax cuts, especially for the wealthiest.”
John McCain in Fortune Magazine, June 28, 2008.
This was 4 months ago! Have his views changed that much in the last 4 months or is he just confused and playing to the electoral crowd?
Seems to me he was arguing against the tax shields created under President Bush (in an effort to win the primary). Senator Obama is now being criticized for making the same argument.
Hypocrites unite…….your rose-colored glasses seem to be working just fine.
Peace out sheep.
MBS:
I’m sure you’re right…
It was just a scheme,
to spoil your fun.
.
And, where is the one that you allow
to come here and spread her rhetoric
about race wars and white supremacy?
.
Signed,
Patti:
The disgrace to my race…
.
THINK!
these 2 skinheads probably were not smart enough to pull off this caper. but if it were a diversion ? like the mexican drug runners: one gets caught on purpose, 5 get through.
anyone who would target schoolchildren is a sick individual and needs to be locked up for life.
just looking at barry on tv now and he is for sure a devil. had a waiter @ chili’s sat night wearing an obama pin. i told him he would not be getting a tip because i was going to spread his tip around. the look on his face was worth a million bucks.
De Plume:
Not everything is about money…
#57- Mr. Bridge to Nowhere:
Maybe you should go hang out with your Moonbat Kol-Aide drinking friends for the next 8 days….you know—keep blowing more of that OBAMASIAH THE CHOSEN ONE TIME FOR A CHANGE SECOND COMING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST BS up one another’s skirts.
You are so negative, each of your posts ooze with all the resentment you have held inside for our Government. Do you have a right to be PO’d and fed up? Of course—-we ALL are —–no matter what our chosen political party is. My only point is this:
Why must you continue to post only bad news about REP—when you know for a fact—there are just as many crooked DEMS out there that are corrupt as well. Why must you blame every mistake our Government has made over the last 8 years on the GOP—when you KNOW for a FACT—-OUR CONGRESSMEN and WOMEN are just as equally responsible for all this mess? THE CONGRESS IS CURRENTLY OVERWHELMINGLY RULED BY…(Oh, shocker!)
DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!! Come on, stop hating the REP’s just because you may be a leftist bleeding heart liberal.
So, Mr.—Take that “bridge to nowhere” sooner than later—because if your boy Obama gets in…that’s exactly where he will leave you and our nation-
NOWHERE.
***McCain/Palin ‘o8**
EXPERIENCE FIRST AND FOREMOST
COUNTRY FIRST
SPREADING THE WEALTH = SOCIALISIM—-we are supposed to be a Democracy—–aren’t we??
the barry camp will not comment on the plot to murder him because it was probably set up by the democrats to make whites look bad. joe biden is stuttering right now and cannot answer questions .
he knows he has sold himself out and is embarrased.
To Poster Maggie:
Why all the hate and resentment towards Palin??
GET OVER IT! Many of us females out here may not agree with all of her views….BUT to disrespect this lady and mercilessly tear her apart…
rude and disrespectful. Her son is over in IRAQ right now….while this war is winding down—-but STILL fighting for your family and our Country’s freedom. How DARE you as a woman or a Mother not respect any Mother whose children are serving our country? How dare you!
Do you have any family members in the service? Do you have any dignity?
Look- you don’t have to like Sarah Palin—-but to continually rant on her and tear her down with such ridiculous picks and pans really just shows your true colors. You are, IMO- not a feminist but rather A WEAK, RESENTFUL BITTER & JADED female who is OBVIOUSLY intimidated by all powerful, CAPABLE, intelligent women. Did you hate HRC like this as well? You are just such a raging mess…it’s obvious—you don’t like anyone in your own gender. Wow. We have fought so long and hard for equality and women’s rights—it’s people like you that set the whole movement back with your close minded views and sheer hate.
Didn’t your parents ever tell you that to harbor such hatred towards other human beings is not a good thing? Doubtful with the acid you spew in your posts.
****McCain/Palin ’08***
What do ya think Maggie? Aren’t these people nice?
Look how that lunatic #67 turned on you.
For what I’m not sure…but quite comical non the less.
Maybe this will help those that do not understand that we currently have a progressive tax system and will continue to no matter who gets elected Nov 4th.
Got a feeling it won’t, but worth a shot.
ST. CHARLES, Mo. — “Make no mistake,” Republican activist John Hancock told a John McCain rally in this St. Louis suburb, “this campaign is a referendum on socialism.”
Republicans have been pounding that theme in recent days, even though Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama hardly fits the classic definition of a socialist.
Critics point to Obama’s plan to raise the top two tax rates on the wealthy as clear evidence of his socialist bent. However, Len Burman, the director of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, said that while Obama “would make the tax system more progressive overall, it would not be a radical shift.”
It wouldn’t qualify as socialism.
“The answer is clearly no, Senator Obama is not a socialist,” said Paul Beck, a professor of political science at Ohio State University. “We’ve had a progressive tax system for some time, and both Republicans and Democrats have bought into it.”
Socialism involves state ownership of the means of economic production and state-directed sharing of the wealth. America’s democratic capitalist system is neither socialist nor pure free market; rather, it mixes the two, and it has at least since the progressive income tax was introduced 95 years ago. Under it, the wealthy pay higher income tax rates than those who are less fortunate do. It’s a form of sharing the wealth.
Government intervenes in U.S. “free markets” all the time. The deduction that homeowners get for mortgage interest is one form, for it subsidizes housing. The government contracts that sustain the great U.S. weapons makers, such as Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics, are another.
For that matter, President Bush and a lot of other Republicans, including McCain, backed a massive federal government rescue of ailing financial institutions this fall, one that’s committed well more than $1 trillion so far to “private” banks, even taking partial ownership of the nine biggest.
Socialism has proved more popular in Europe, including in Great Britain, France, and Italy. In the United States, the term traditionally has been closely associated with communism, and thus claiming the socialist mantle has been political poison. Since World War II and the Cold War, American political candidates who advocate pure socialism rarely have gotten very far. Most notably, Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont was first elected to Congress in 1990 as a socialist, and remains one.
The new round of socialism claims was triggered by Obama’s comments last week to “Joe the Plumber” Wurzelbacher in Toledo, Ohio.
Wurzelbacher told Obama that he hoped someday to buy a plumbing business and asked, “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”
Key Bush administration tax cuts are due to expire Jan. 1, 2011. Obama wants to end breaks for most individuals who earn more than $200,000 and families that make more than $250,000; McCain does not. Obama’s position would restore the top rates to where they were under President Clinton, when the economy boomed.
“It’s not that I want to punish your success,” the Illinois senator told Wurzelbacher. “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Republicans pounced, and haven’t stopped.
“You see,” McCain said in his radio address Saturday, “he believes in redistributing wealth, not in policies that help us all make more of it.
“Joe, in his plainspoken way, said this sounded a lot like socialism, and a lot of Americans are thinking along those same lines. In the best case, spreading the wealth around is a familiar idea from the American left.”
It was Bush and McCain — who claimed a central role in the drama — who pushed a trillion-dollar government plan to save ailing financial institutions, however.
“If we’re moving toward socialism,” Beck said, “it’s a bipartisan event.”
One of the major challenges that the next president faces, former Federal Reserve Board Chairman and Obama backer Paul Volcker said Tuesday, is “how do we reprivatize institutions” that have been “socialized” by the Bush administration?
Many conservatives were uneasy about the bank bailout, but they argue that it’s important to remember that “George Bush is not on the ballot,” said Brent Littlefield of the American Conservative Union.
He pointed to Obama’s tax ideas.
“It’s a philosophical concept (Obama) has, and he made it clear when, unprompted, he talked about spreading the wealth around,” Littlefield said.
Conservatives often charge that Democrats are engaging in “class warfare” when they want to raise tax rates on the rich — McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, have used the phrase against Obama — but they rarely find such fault when tax cuts benefit the wealthy class disproportionately.
For all that, the “socialist” charge against Obama sticks with some voters.
In Ohio, Sara Cannorozzi, who works for a Springfield promotional products business, explained that while her income is nowhere near the amount that would trigger a tax increase, she hopes it will be someday.
“Obama wants to talk about giving pieces of the pie to everyone, but he never wants to talk about growing the pie,” she said. “I don’t want to share my pie. If I earn it, I want to keep as much as I can.”
10/21/08
Another attempt to educate about our progressive tax system.
Read that last paragraph.
But again, it’s probably gonna sail right over heads.
Newsweek 10/27:
Today in Cleveland, John McCain made an interesting comment: “That’s what change means for the Obama administration. They’re redistributing. It means taking your money and giving it to someone else.”
This is interesting for two reasons.
I hesitate to say that McCain isn’t telling the truth, because it depends on whom McCain means by “you” (as in, “your money”) and who he means by “someone else.” If by “you” he means the 2 percent of Americans who make more than $250,000 year, then he’s absolutely correct. Sorry, quarter-millionaires: Obama plans to raise “your” marginal income tax rate by 3 percent to its pre-George W. Bush level and thereby “take” more of “your money.” But if by “you” McCain means the other 98 percent of America, he’s incorrect. If “you” make less than $200,000 a year, Obama actually plans to take less of “your money” than Bush–and less, in many cases, than McCain. People who make under $250,000 a year have every right to be offended by this if they want to be. Maybe they plan to make $250,000 sometime soon; maybe they just believe in trickle-down economics. But they shouldn’t think that Obama wants to take their money and give it to someone else–and they shouldn’t be told that he does. He actually just wants to give them more money.
Which brings us to the second point of interest. Conservatives are eagerly pushing the charge–online, at rallies and in my inbox–that “Barack the Redistributor” is a secret communist, Marxist or socialist. (Today, the right is misreading a 2001 interview in which Obama complains that progressive activists once wrongly wanted the Supreme Court to “ente[r] into the issues of redistribution of wealth” as evidence of his pinko ways.) Now, I understand the appeal of this line of attack, which provides voters with a familiar, 20th-century bogeyman to fear. But characterizing Obama’s plan to tax the nation’s top earners at 39 percent instead of 36 percent as socialist is absurd. Dwight Eisenhower taxed top earners at 91 percent. Richard Nixon taxed them at more than 50 percent. Even Ronald Reagan didn’t lower the top marginal rate to less than 50 percent until the last two years of his second term. Were these Republicans secret socialists, too?
The answer, of course, is no. As the New Republic’s Jonathan Chait points out, “literally having any government at all involves taking somebody’s money and giving it to somebody else? Even the more restrictive definition of redistribution–using government to create a less unequal distribution of wealth–has been going on for a century. If McCain is really opposed to redistribution, then that means he thinks the rich should get back a dollar in spending for every dollar they pay in taxes.” For the record, he doesn’t; his proposed income-tax structure is still progressive in nature, meaning that it taxes the affluent at a higher rate than the less affluent. And McCain still plans to channel tax dollars into government programs–education, infrastructure, etc.–that disproportionately benefit people who pay lower taxes. Again, you may prefer McCain’s plan to “redistribute” the wealth to Obama’s. By all means. But not because one is socialist and the other isn’t.
Deep down, I suspect McCain knows that Obama isn’t really a socialist. Why? Because he once sounded a lot like his rival on taxes. During the 2000 campaign, for example, a young woman asked McCain why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a huge tax bracket.” McCain replied that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” “Look, here’s what I really believe,” he added. “That when you are–when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.” He soon backed up his words with action. After Bush was elected, McCain told Congress that he was disappointed by the president’s plan to “cut the top tax rate of 39.6 percent to 36 percent.” When it came time for a vote, the Arizonan stood on the Senate floor and announced that “I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief.” Unless McCain was a socialist in 2000 and 2001, Obama isn’t a socialist now.
Ultimately, McCain has every right to talk about taxes in the closing days of the campaign. Voters deserve a serious debate on the issue. But right now, he’s treating us as if we’re too dumb to understand the difference between socialism and a competing vision of the top marginal tax rate. That’s not just interesting. It’s disappointing.
Regardless of anyone’s feelings for or against Barack Obama, I hope that we all join in giving thanks that the assassination plot was foiled.
I don’t know if these idiots were capable of tying their shoes … and if reports that they discussed their plot on the Internet are accurate, they have the brains to rival those in Aruba … but stupidity doesn’t guarantee that a plan to murder and commit violence will fail.
I leave you to ponder how sundered our nation would be had it gone through, to say nothing of the repercussions abroad.
#67- To my Old “enemy on this blog” Friend Yoyo:
The name calling I guess does continue from both sides…does it not?
Now I am a lunatic Yoyo? LOL For real, I am laughing so hard over here…..do you stay up all night and think of this stuff to put on here?
You are right, going back and forth with you can be (at times) entertaining,,,but for the most part—I still find you either really hilarious (you are so far out it’s incredible) or most often, you try to be such an indignant know-it-all that you are quite annoying.
Anyway—Have a great evening. Only 8 days left, Yoyo? Did you vote early?
***McCain/Palin ’08***
To Poster #4—
If Palin is a Communist—then I am Angelina Jolie for cryin’ out loud!!!!! A Communist? LOL that’s quite a stretch.
Try this one on for size—your boy Obomb-a has had close ties and associations with an EXTREMIST/MARXIST = AYERS Oh, he just murders innocent people and says he wishes he killed more. That’s really someone I would be proud to associate with. NOT!
You are so blind….really- I’m not wasting anymore keystrokes on the likes of you.
=( Communist….LOL still laughing
****McCain/Palin ’08****
Ho-hum … another day, another pledge of $5 billion, maybe to reach $10 billion ….
Now, can someone explain to me how this merger, which doubtless will lead to the layoff of thousands of auto workers, make us better off?
Well, maybe I can borrow a puny $50 million or so from moderator Klassen, otherwise I might go broke….
Treasury working on aid for GM, Chrysler merger
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. government is considering direct financial assistance to facilitate a possible merger between General Motors Corp (GM.N) and Chrysler LLC, a private sector source familiar with Treasury discussions told Reuters on Monday.
The Treasury Department is weighing aid of at least $5 billion, which could include capital injections and government purchases of bad auto loans, according to the source, a financial policy executive who spoke anonymously because the discussions are private.
Emergency financing, at least initially, most likely would be focused on GM and Chrysler and not Ford Motor Co (F.N), which is struggling but still better off financially than its U.S. rivals, the source said.
A Treasury decision could come this week, the source said.
Separately, the Wall Street Journal reported the Energy Department is working to release $5 billion in loans to GM to help it finance the merger. The money, according to the report citing a person familiar with the matter, would come from $25 billion in financing approved by Congress last month to help domestic manufacturers make more fuel efficient cars.
An Energy Department spokeswoman said it would be “premature to estimate” a timetable for approving loans. Detroit and its allies in Congress have been pressuring the Bush administration to expedite the money, which regulators have said may not be available for six to 18 months.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said officials the Treasury, Energy, and Commerce departments have been in contact with automakers about help — emphasizing the loan program for fuel efficient cars and the potential for Treasury to buy up bad car loans to spur new lending and jump-start sales.
Domestic manufacturers are burning through cash and their performance outlook has worsened. On Monday, Moody’s Investors Service downgraded GM’s credit rating on continuing liquidity concerns.
GM shares fell 8.4 percent on the New York Stock Exchange.
White House has long been cool to any straight bailout of the auto industry, although talk among insiders of immediate and substantial help has intensified in recent days with merger negotiations accelerating.
Industry supporters inside and outside of government have mounted a furious lobbying campaign to tie the health of automakers to the needs of the general U.S. economy, and have elevated the bailout discussion to the presidential campaign, which concludes November 4.
Carly Fiorina, an economic adviser to Republican presidential candidate John McCain, said on Monday the government can assist automakers but not save the industry, meaning that taxpayers should not be on the hook for a long-term investment. On Sunday, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, an Obama adviser, did not rule out robust help for automakers under certain conditions.
Federal aid is considered a requirement for completing the GM/Chrysler deal since larger GM has failed to find an outside investor to help fund its acquisition with sales plummeting and prospects uncertain, other sources have said.
GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner was in Washington in recent days to lobby administration officials. Former Treasury Secretary John Snow is the chairman of Chrysler owner, Cerberus Capital Management (CBS.UL).
Key congressional lawmakers have also pressured Treasury to use all of its tools to free up liquidity.
GM had no comment on the possibility of a Treasury aid plan. Chrysler said in a statement that industry worked hard to ensure the government’s $700 billion rescue plan for the financial services sector would be broad enough to help automakers.
People briefed on the merger discussions previously have said GM would need at least $5 billion to start restructuring Chrysler’s operations. The total amount needed could reach $10 billion, the sources have said.
Terms of any direct Treasury assistance for GM were not immediately apparent, according to the source knowledgeable about the government’s thinking. However, Treasury has taken equity stakes as part of its $250 billion capital injection program for several U.S. banks.
Treasury representatives were not immediately available for comment.
GM, which burned through over $1 billion a month in the second quarter, is in danger of running its cash holdings below the minimum of $11 billion it says it needs to run its far-flung business by late 2009, analysts have said.
The automaker’s plan to sell assets have been slow-moving and the debt markets have been effectively closed to it borrowing more, putting in jeopardy its plan to raise $5 billion from asset sales and new borrowing through 2009.
“Given the deteriorating circumstances in global demand, they could reach minimum cash levels at some point in 2009, barring a recovery,” said S&P equity analyst Efraim Levy.
Chrysler ended the second quarter with $11.7 billion, according to Cerberus.
New Girl – I’m standing in line on election day. Sounds weird but for some reason I like doing that.
super dave on October 27th, 2008 6:07 pm
these 2 skinheads probably were not smart enough to pull off this caper. but if it were a diversion ? like the mexican drug runners: one gets caught on purpose, 5 get through.
anyone who would target schoolchildren is a sick individual and needs to be locked up for life.
just looking at barry on tv now and he is for sure a devil. had a waiter @ chili’s sat night wearing an obama pin. i told him he would not be getting a tip because i was going to spread his tip around. the look on his face was worth a million bucks.
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My response:
Yeah, Dave, it’s probably the same
look you see all the time.
.
Asshole!
There’s one in every crowd…
.
#73 – John McCain is a dear friend of an unapologetic murderer according to YOU.
As a matter of fact, McCain has “the highest respect for him” and considers it a great priveledge to call him his friend.
According to YOU, McCain has a dear friend he respects and believes it’s a priveledge to be friends with this person who’s a unapologetic murderer according to you.
But you don’t have an issue with that.
Oh the hypocrisy!!
# 69 Southern Yankee
OK
I misspelled the word Muslim. If that is all you got from it, well
no hope for you.
sorry #61
Oh, why wait – here ya go New Girl:
A New Girl on August 25th, 2008 6:33 pm:
And this DNC doesn’t mean diddly-squat, either. I can’t stomach to listen to Ted Kennedy…one of the WORST and dangerous politicians of all times and murderer of Mary Jo Kopecekne. Spare me that snooze-fest right there.
John McCain:
I was very sorry to hear that Senator Kennedy has taken ill, and like millions of Americans, Cindy and I anxiously await word of his condition. Senator Kennedy’s role in the U.S. Senate cannot be overstated. He is a legendary lawmaker, and I have the highest respect for him. When we have worked together, he has been a skillful, fair and generous partner. I consider it a great privilege to call him my friend. Cindy and I are praying for our friend, his wife, Vicki and the Kennedy family.
So there ya go New Girl, try that one on for size.
Next.
LOL still laughing.
The way I heard it explained tonight..was corporations now pay 65% of the taxes. Under the new plan they would pay 10 to 15% more. raising taxes for them up to 75%..and the other 95% would get a tax cut..BUT.. 60 billion of that goes to people who don’t even pay taxes. I personally can’t see some of the businesses.. staying in business with taxes like that.
At first I just thought this was a conservative website and I come here quite a lot. I definately did not realize that it was a conservative/racist website. Just reading these posts makes me want to take a shower. I’ll never return here. God bless you all.
September 5, 2008
Updated: October 12, 2008
Q: Did McCain crash five planes? Did he cause the 1967 Forrestal fire?
Is the information below true? I have heard that McCain crashed five planes. In searching the web I found this information. It was located at [DELETED]
Thank you for more information.
A: No. Chain e-mails and Internet postings that make that claim are mistaken. One crash was found to be his fault, but the Navy commended his piloting skills.
This is for the person who posted…the story about McCain crashing 5 planes.
You will find out if Obama is elected that he is straight out LYING. Under Obama’s tax play, those making as little as $25,000 will see an increase in taxes. Why? Because Obama doesn’t count that allowing Bush tax cuts to expire as “raising your taxes”. I say, when my taxes go up, they were raised!
Listen to the rest of the Barack Obama tape (at about 15:30 minutes in)
We are now Nazi Germany!
Maggie:
The Corporate Tax Rates are on a graduated scale.
$1 to 50,000 they pay 15%
50,001 to 75,000 they pay 25%
75,001 to 100,000 they pay 34%
100,001 to 335,000 they pay 39%
335,001 to 10,000,000 they pay 34%
10,000,001 to 15,000,000 they pay 35%
15,000,001 to 18,333,333 they pay 38%
18,333,334 and above they pay 35%.
For Personal Service Corporations such as
Doctors, Dentists, Attorneys, etc. the tax
rate is 35%
*.*.
The old Corporate Tax Rates were as follows:
1 to 25,000 they paid 15%
25,001 to 50,000 they paid 25%
50,001 to 100,000 they paid 34%
over 100,000 they paid 46%
The rate for Personal Service Corporations was 46%
The reason the rates for Personal Service
Corporations is because these people get the
graduated scale of tax on their wages. Any
income left to pay on their Corporate Tax Returns
gets taxed at the maximum rate.
I think what Obama is going to do is to revert
back to the old rates that are listed above,
although he may lower the maximum rate a little.
The new rates were enacted by the Bush Administration which, as you can tell,
gave a huge tax advantage to large
corporations who never came near to the
old maximum rate.
Note:
These rates are applied to net income – not gross income.
I should also mention that phased out tax credits will also raise many people’s taxes that make under $100,000 net.
yoyo muffintop on October 27th, 2008 6:38 pm
What do ya think Maggie? Aren’t these people nice?
Look how that lunatic #67 turned on you.
For what I’m not sure…but quite comical non the less.
If you or anyone else can find a racial slur I have made against Obama or anyone else for that matter on here at anytime..point it out… don’t bother looking..I haven’t. Never questioned his birth certificate..or his religion. In fact I haven’t even checked to see what his religion is.. I am only responsible for me and what I write. I did question Reverend Wright.. just as I would David Duke..both are bad apples to me.
I don’t think I have ever seen such ugly times between people in the USA.. The fact is..no party can work solely to the left or right in this country or we the people are the losers.. I’ve always been for less govt..in my life.. I can manage my life just fine.. Years ago, I was told to look out for yourself, noone else will..and I have.
I haven’t made racial slurs, but I haven’t made sick comments about the women in politics either and said I laugh at the sick stuff..or calling people ignorant and hillbilles and making fun of old people and on and on if they don’t agree with you.. That works both ways too.
The reason for the flat tax rates for
Personal Service Corporations is because
these people get the graduated scale of
tax on their wages. Any income left to pay
on their Corporate Tax Returns, thereby,
gets taxed at the maximum rate.
Most of these people plan their taxes in
such a way that the Personal Service Corp.
has no net income at the end of the year.
ie. they report their income as wages on
their Individual Tax Return. The reason
they form Corporations is to free them-
selves of personal liability in the case
of lawsuits.
Yo Yo?
Leave Maggie alone.
She knows New Girl and they can work
things out on their own.
.
Men can be worse gossipers than women, sometimes.
.
Maggie:
No one is accusing you of saying anything wrong.
It’s evident who the bad guys are.
.
Nite…
ie…
I’m sure it’s just a misunderstanding.
.
Who ever you’re voting for:
Vote Early!
.
P.S.
And leave New Girl alone, too.
No one needs your meddling!
.
Nite…
Maggie – Is #87 a post to me or in response to #67?
I’m still not sure what you wrote to warrant such an attack like #67.
Obama is a Trojan horse. God help us.
#89/90/91 – are you kidding me?
New Girl said this about Maggie:
Look- you don’t have to like Sarah Palin—-but to continually rant on her and tear her down with such ridiculous picks and pans really just shows your true colors. You are, IMO- not a feminist but rather A WEAK, RESENTFUL BITTER & JADED female who is OBVIOUSLY intimidated by all powerful, CAPABLE, intelligent women. Did you hate HRC like this as well? You are just such a raging mess…it’s obvious—you don’t like anyone in your own gender. Wow. We have fought so long and hard for equality and women’s rights—it’s people like you that set the whole movement back with your close minded views and sheer hate.
Didn’t your parents ever tell you that to harbor such hatred towards other human beings is not a good thing? Doubtful with the acid you spew in your posts.
Completely baseless attack that a “misunderstanding” cannot cover.
That is so far out of left field it’s…lunacy, imo.
I feel strongly enough about that to defend someone that has open disgust for moi.
[...] “Preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution?” [...]
#93
Obamanation is a Trojan alright, but not the wooden horse…he’s the “wrapping” around something else the liberals are hoping to stick us with….
If you believe that fooey that Obama is going to revert back to the old system you have another thing coming. It can’t be that all of you are that stupid to think he won’t raise taxes on ALL to pay for his $1 trillion spending! Over and over again he keeps saying “redistribute”…wake the hell up….
Note: you too are foolish to believe it’s net and not gross. The thing you fail to realize is the things that are tapped at the gross level, things like federal income tax, etc will rise, thus in the end you will still lose money at the net level.
MARXISM, SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM!
Sensorship of television stations who finally throw some sliders and not fat fast balls at TEAM SOCIALISM!
Fire Fox: You are wrong as usual, but that’s because you go to Obama’s web site for information instead of tracing his words
And
And
Unfortunately right now I can’t find the chart I saw yesterday or the day before that showed the affect of just dropping off the Bush Tax Cuts, but taxes were raised for those making $25,000 or more.
Net income is income AFTER taxes and other things.
if the rich are further taxed in an unfair manner, just who do the Obamanation supporters think they will pass the difference in their incomes on to? Duh! The consumer. Oh…wait! I know!!! Obamanation will make it illegal to raise retail prices for those taxed more, or to lay off employees they can no longer afford. Perfect!
Only reason Obamamation is popular is because he brings a sense of “power” to those who see themselves as powerless. My belief is that you’re only as powerless as YOU make yourself to be. Too many are not even in power of their own lives…require govt’s help just to get by. Sad.
AS for the decline in Americans’ health and need for so much healthcare, I feel the excuse “it’s cuz it’s in my genes”, is malarkey for 80% of illness. Even the doctors admit if people would simply lose weight and eat properly they’d lose 1/2 of their patients. It’s not a gene to stuff your pie-hole constantly….or to sit on your out of shape butt and become like jello. Or worry so much you have high blood pressure and then heart trouble. 80% of illness I am certain is brought on by poor diet, stress, smoking, excessive drinking, being out of shape, being fat, and many other things you do not inherit but LEARN or WANT to do for one’s own pleasure.
NOW FOXY ,you,re getting upset again baby.glad you like my ass hole. how does it taste ? you’ve been there several times in thew last week. i thought you liked your boy’s redistribution idea. now all of a sudden when turned on you , you don’t like it anymore.
baby, you just need to be tightened up a little, but by somebody that can stand your racism rants. you know, it’s really not good for your dark complexion to get so angry honey. i know, go on down to the nearest welfare office and beg for a check. it’s close to the end of the month, maybe you can get your’s early. and thanks for the compliment dear, didn’t know you liked me so much.
#42- BRIDGE TO NOWHERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You sicken me, Sir. I live in Massachusetts—and guess what was ALL OVER THE breaking news this morning? A DEMOCRATIC , REPEAT ANOTHER DEM CORRUPT STATE SENATOR—-STUFFED AND CUFFED !
An undercover FBI investigation into Dianne Wilkerson alleges the embattled state senator accepted $23,500 in bribes, officials said.
Seems Ms. Wilkerson also has had troubles with illegal activity during her career as well. Lost her law liscense, found guilty of tax evasion previously.
CORRUPT CORRUPT CORRUPT!!!!!!! She is facing up to 20 years in prison and over 250,000 fines for each of her crimes.
So, spare me the details about corrupt REP’s and look across the aisle—there are PLENTY of crooked politicians on both sides so your point is moot!
*** McCain/Palin ’08***
#77- Yoyo…. Hmnnnnnnnnn..,, I’m a little confused by your post.
I stand by what I posted about the Alcoholic/MURDERER Ted Kennedy. Never liked the man, never will. I know, I know—born and brought up here in Mass where the entire Kennedy clan is revered as some kind of Demi-Gods…sooooo~ What you are trying to tell me is that even though a candidate I support has a respect and shares friendship with Kennedy- because I don’t like Ted as a politician—that makes me a hypocrit?
I don’t think so, Yoyo.
P.S. I understand what you mean about preferring to go to the polls on election day and stand in the lines. Makes me rather enjoy the moment. Wow. ….for once we actually agree on something Yoyo—imagine that!
Also-for the record- I did admire and respect JFK …but my favorite was truly RFK.
A New Girl from Boston
Just to point out—there are 2 posters who go by the name of Maggie on this board.
The one that posted rude, derrogatory comments about Sarah Palin is the one I ranted on.
I stand by my post and comments. The other “Maggie” is a dear.
Also- YOYO- I am not a racist, never have been- don’t condone it and do not favor a few certain individuals on this sight who apparently do have a issue with the color of someone’s skin.
I wish to state that, at these current times in my State especially- as a Caucasian—I do and have felt what one would refer to as “reverse racisim”…..whereby I do not and am not entitled to the same rights and considerations as persons of other races. If you know Mass at all, you know that this state is very liberal and one of the most supportive across our nation in terms of social programs and equal opportunity across the board. The only reason I pontificated on this topic again is to ask you not to include me when you are documenting or making statements about some of the folks on here that may post racist remarks.
I am not one of them, and I do not wish to be labeled as such. Thanks!
New Girl from Boston
Hello New Girl in Boston. Don’t forget, someone who has no truth or substance to add to an argument will resort to name calling (which they have done to both of us :>)….is basically calling you what THEY in fact are on the inside and pretend not to be on the outside :>)
Is it cold up there? Got first snow shower in south-western Virginia today.
#105–Brenda from VA—-you are absolutely correct. Thanks for the reminder. You know, I have resorted to name calling on here sometimes—sort of as a ways and means of descriptive speech and to make things a little more dramatic. =)~
I should perhaps be more cautious in the words I use…however–I don’t know…..I guess the Italian-fiesty thing creeps out and rears it’s ugly head every once in awhile. To be called a “lunatic” by Yoyo and told to take my meds…ARE you serious?? ROTFL honestly- that guy is a legend…in his own mind! I have no problems with sounding off on here and hiding behind my computer screen like everyone else to do it. Here’s the difference perhaps…I do get actively involved in my community and causes I care about (i.e, The Natalee Holloway Case, demonstrations, donations, etc, Town Hall Meetings, PTA, etc) and I am the type of citizen who believes we should all freely be able to voice our opinions in our communities and across this country as well..stand up and fight for what we believe in if necessary…AND most important—to talk the talk AND walk the walk and actively get involved . Even if to volunteer time and services by doing something small….every little bit helps.
Weather in Beantown—today and yesterday…incredibly mild…50′s and 60′s with some rain. Boy, Fall time sure is pretty here in New England though. Snow in VA already? wow
Brenda- thanks again for your post… you are very astute =)
**McCain/Palin ’08***
New Girl: “Makes me rather enjoy the moment.”
same.
and I’ll wear that stupid “I voted” sticker all day.
#107…your sticker needs to say “Stupid Voted”.
Had a Sarah Palin rally nearby in Salem, Virginia yesterday. Blistery and cold, but 16,000 people showed up. About a week or so ago, Obamanation came to town and went to the LARGER Roanoke Civic Center and only attracted 8,000.
Virginia has to go red!!!
#108 – Babydoll, if you want a third term of George Bush go right ahead.
I guessing 50+ million people won’t…but we’ll see.
Dave:
You really are a fool. My skin is not black, just as the majority of Obama’s supporter’s skin is not black… nor is it brown. I am as white as the driven snow. It’s just that I’m not a racist, never have been and never will be. I judge people on their character… unlike you. How old are you, anyway? Because from the sounds of it, you’ve got to be at least a couple hundred years old! But even that is no excuse. Your racism is something that brings disgrace to, not only yourself, but this site, as well. I think you and Brie need to go elope somewhere… but for the life of me I can’t imagine where they’d allow such hate mongers to migrate…
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Obviously, none of you have seen a Corporate Tax return in your life. And, Richard is right; for financial statement purposes, net income is after taxes. But for tax purposes, taxable income is net of everything, BUT, federal taxes. State income taxes are deductible on a corporate tax return.
Geesh! I can’t believe you people, honestly, think the IRS taxes you on gross income. Obviously, you don’t know tax law and I doubt that any of you have ever owned a business, otherwise you’d know that. So, basically, what that means is that you are, blindly, voting for a candidate with, absolutely, no understanding about what their tax resolutions really mean. You believe everything you hear on the internet…
In the words of Forrest Gump:
Stupid is as Stupid does.
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Dave:
Perhaps you should go to a site that better suits your needs to rant your racial bullshit… because, obviously, you’re not going to take off that white hood and as bold as you are about your hatred, I’m sure your sheet has blood stains ALL over it. It’s people like you that belong behind bars. Obviously, you know there is such a thing as the constitution. But, in your mind, it’s not to be sited, except when it’s convenient for you.
So… keep it up and it won’t be long before we see you on the front page of every newspaper:
SUPER Dave, the Legend, in his own Mind…
Going, Going, Gone Forever More!
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I’m really surprised that Scared Monkeys who raved for years about the racial comments that were made against Natalee Holloway’s family would allow someone like you and Brie post anything on their site.
A little hypocritical, don’t you think?
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fox fire: just as you accused me of being a klan racist,i believe you said bloody sheets. you are as far as i’m concerned an idiot without a cause just as your boy barry is. keep bringing the hate . you like to name call but act like a little bitch when things get a little tough for you. you are the racist here. you started the hate comments toward me. you were the one who called me out first. i’m just giving it back to you many times over and it burns you up inside.
just think, barry could get a million more votes than mccain but all john has to do is win the electorial college and he’s in.
have you learned how to pour the piss yet dear ? the directions are on the heel.
keep on hating me because i don’t hate you. i can sleep at night but i bet you lay awake hating my guts. hey, we can be civil or we can be enemies. you have made me your personal enemy so go ahead and hate me but don’t let the sun go down on your hate.
#108- Brenda— HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
LOVE IT! God, that made me laugh.
Hmnnnnnnnnnnn….less than a week—according to Ceasu and many on this sight—-the CHOSEN ONE has it all sewed up.
Got to admit, I lied. I said I would be moving to Canada if he got in, but you know what?? I love my country so much and have so much faith in the US still being the greatest place to live in the World…that I think I have to hang a bit and see what our future holds…..
I want to use the word…”interesting” but somehow I fear it will be a lot more dramatic than that. We can only imagine, and put our faith to be prosperous again where it matters…in the hands of God.
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
Night, Monkeys!
**McCain/Palin ’08***
2 different Maggie’s?
That’s the best you can up with?
Now you’ve got another lie to add to your list.
Kicking your ass is waaaaaay to easy. And fun I might add.
I think there are going to be a lot of disappoint Obama minions on election day and I think we better prepare for the yelping and rioting. They are being lulled by false polls and a media so in the tank for Obama that they can’t report the news correctly.
I don’t think Obama is going to win, but I think we are going to be up very late election night.
#114-Yoyo—-since you are a good one at saving everything on here….see for YOURSELF. There are indeed 2 different posters on here that go by Maggie. Or ask Klaasend, the blog moderator.
Kicking my ass over something like this? Yoyo- I told you before-if we ever were to meet in “real life” as they say and not just communicate with each other over a blog—You, Sir- would be the one handed your ass on a silver platter. I’m not saying it would be easy to do- I am saying you wouldn’t be so quick to claim victory.
Really, Yoyo- why do you insist on always asserting your male dominance gene? Why must you always try to be right? Can’t you just be human and take people at their word without always insulting them and picking a fight? I bet you are not a bad guy in person. On this blog, however—sometimes you truly just come across as belligerent, stubborn, an angry, jaded know-it-all, snobby and RUDE.
Get over yourself, please. Ugh.
A New Girl from Boston
YOYO- Now so far- to date—you have called me a lunatic and a liar. Not to mention stupid about 1 zillion times.
I am niether a lunatic or a liar. The stupid part, well—let’s just say I am not a Rhodes Scholar but I certainly didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday, either.
Peace!
A New Girl from Boston MA- Graduate of UMASS Amherst you arse….want to look it up or am I going to be called a liar again? lol Damn you are annoying.
One last thing—why do the “men” with really strong personalities on here always seem to call me out? Hmnnnnnnn,,perhaps I am too outspoken & opinionated for my own good- but I’d have it no other way.
At least- even someone like Mr. Bridge to Nowhere maintains his temper and acts like a gentlemen in the process of his posts. UNLIKE SOME OTHER POSTERS ON HERE !!!!!!!!!
Pfffffffff! I am afraid that chivalry is dead afterall. What a bummer.
**McCain/Palin ’08***
yoyo..I ain’t your baby doll, nor AM I a baby doll. IF I were, I do not care for spineless men with an IQ in the single digits…so you do not qualify to even open a door for me dude.
Hey Fox Fire (or wet rat as I prefer on days you are being retarded)…I am as white as the driven snow too…just not as flaky as snow like you.
yoyo isn’t anything but another one of those LEECHES that stands in line for a welfare check while pimping out an Escalade and FUBAR clothing.
He is betting his life on Obama. I mean when you see Obama on TV, don’t you see yoyo the sheep following right behind him?
Get a J-O-B-S! LOL, Biden is senile lunatic
Sheep are way to smart and self-assured to follow Obama…all I see are a bunch of hypnotized lemmings!
I don’t agree with the name calling on either side. However, I will remind those that have been called names by Yo-Yo that it’s a badge of honor many of us wear proudly.
yoyo is a dude ? nah !!!
#121- Scott….lol
And, Yes Super Dave—YoYo Muffin Top is a dude.
Go figure, right? A very angry, misinformed male at that. He’s going to love rubbing it in our faces on a daily basis though when O-BOMB-A wins. (((sigh))) Just the thought of this I find quite depressing.
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