RSSNatalee Holloway Investigation: Joran Van der Sloot Caught on Tape … “Its a Big Ocean”
Holloway Suspect: ‘I Know What Happened’
Dutch Student Said Natalee Holloway’s Body Was Dumped in the Ocean
So if she supposedly died in your arms, why didn’t you help her? What reason would there ever be for you to feel the need to dispose of a body if a crime was not committed against her? The answer, because there was one committed. No one’s first reaction is to dispose of a body unless they have something to hide like the use of date rape drugs, a sexual assault and further crimes against Natalee Holloway.
(Click on pic to watch ABC News Video)
Joran Van der Sloot’s first reaction is not to help Natalee Holloway, but instead to dispose of her body. Joran even admits he was not sure whether Natalee Holloway was dead or in a coma. In other words when Joran Van der Sloot disposed of her body, Natalee Holloway may have still been alive. All she may have need was medical attention? Who knew that Joran was a physician capable of determining whether someone was alive or dead. What is the legal term for that Aruba when some one gets rid of a person who is still alive?
Van der Sloot said on the tape that his Aruban friend, alone, took Holloway out to the ocean and dumped her apparently lifeless body.
But was she really dead?
“How were you so sure she was dead, Joran?” van der Eem asked on the tapes. “You know, people can also go into a coma.”
“Yeah, I wasn’t sure about that, but it really startled me to death,” van der Sloot admitted.
“But she could also have been in a coma,” van der Eem said.
“That’s possible too huh,” van der Sloot answered. “That’s very possible.”
Van der Sloot said he immediately began crafting an alibi.
“I have to do normal things,” he said. “And I am going to casino tomorrow night so I’m on camera.” (ABC News)
Video: Suspect says Holloway’s body dumped ‘like an old rag’ (CNN)
Holloway case: full confession on television
The Complete Story from Peter R. De Vries
Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.
Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.
Posted February 4, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Crime, Deceased, Joran Van der Sloot, Media, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway, World, WTF | 81 comments |
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KUDOS to Red, Klassend, and many, many others yesterday who devoted so much to inform everyone with up to the moment information and translations of the Van Der Sloot TV confessions.
God has a special place for those people who represent the best there is to offer. You each deserve the best seats upstairs.
Can anyone who watched this think he is not SATANS SPAWN????My goodness EVIL PERSONIFIED…and he is LYING AGAIN….His sweaty father picked him up….I wish someone would just do him in…I am more resolved to BOYCOTT THIS FREAKIN PLACE….Our SWEATSHIRTS are going to say KIDNAPPED, GANGRAPED MURDERED on ARUBA with Natalees picture on it….This pig needs to lose his right to breath….
C.S. Lewis once wrote in a book that “if you add truth to a lie, it makes that lie all the stronger.” He was not condoning the act of lying, but pointing out how easy it is to twist the truth and convince people to believe that point of view by adding a little bit on honesty to it.
Joran added too much truth to his lying statement this time…WAY to much truth. Why he lied about who really took her out to sea in the boat is because he knows the real doer of the deed would spill on him in the end. So for whatever twisted reason, he still protected his friend in crime. NO less to only protect his own hide in the end.
I now feel the search on the beach was because it was where Joran hid Natalee and over the area he dragged or carried her out to that boat. Makes sense to me anyway.
As for why K2s were cleaning out their car, that I am still watching clues for. If it IS true their only part in this was carrying Joran and Nat to the beach, it MAY have been to simply remove any hair or other evidence she’s been in there at all! Then again, I’m open to whatever at this point. I pray they will grow spines and talk. Especially since they now know Joran thinks they are nothing.
As for anyone who believes Joran could ever loose any sleep over what he did to Natalee, think again. He has no conscious. That is the main difference between a psychopath and sociopath. A psychopath knows they are doing wrong and either cannot stop themselves or don’t want to. A sociopath actually sees what they are doing as being OK because it is “them” doing so. Above the law in every way.
I think although this allows Beth and family to grieve, it makes it worse in the fact no one will ever know if Natalee was alive when tossed into the sea like she didn’t matter.
People are angry in the Netherlands! They literally want to lynch Joran and Paulus! Even the guy who apparently is hiding Joran for these past days, is getting death threats. Angry reaction from everywhere in Europe is being posted on Dutch Websites. And it is all the same: JORAN DID IT. They are blasting Anita and Paulus, like you will never believe it. I guess, this family has nowhere to go and live quiet anymore. We will ask for a legal permit to hold a protest in front of their home. If they arrest Paulus, then Anita should move out a.s.a.p. Even our dumb Prime Minister said yesterday that he’s “Angry with Joran”. Heck he should be angry with his cabinet and law enforcement people. That’s why they will be send home in the 2009 election.
Watching this makes me SICK!! He is a sicko, and this friend that dumped her body…not even knowing if she was dead….OMG!!! I know its wrong to want to inflict harm on another human being but I’d like to shoot him at least 4 times. Once in the right knee for her parents, once in the other knee for her family, Once in the groin for Natalee, then in the head and finish him off for the rest of the world who have followed this story and want to see him punished for what he done to Natalee and has gotten away with…argggggghhhhhhhh will justice ever do the right thing in that corrupt place and do what they should?
Such a cold and calculating man, joran you have a huge problem and need to be removed from society. When faced with the situation of Natalee in need of medical attention you did not call a friend. That just doesn’t make sense to me. What my guess is that you indeed called your cold and calculating father. Like father like son. You both are the scum of the earth. I only hope that someday when an opportunity presents itself to another individual maybe they can return the favor and slip something in your drink and then you too can swim with the fishes. I don’t hold much faith in you ever being arrested for your crime.
he claims that he told it to impress his “friend”.
how you can impress somebody (even a criminal) by claiming what he did is beyond me.
also why didn’t he call 911 if what he told is true.
Thank your Native_Islander. Please, let’s not take justice into our own hands. Let’s not make Joran a victim. Let’s keep the story on Natalee and let Joran experience being detested for what he’s done to Natalee, her family and Aruba.
There is ‘chatter’ on the net that a bounty has been placed on this murderer. Good old southern justice is still the better choice….it’s free and not at all quick. I think I like that a lot. Slow……….
I see Joe Taco in spin control. He was on Good Morning America. He has been on the phone with Fox News. Jorans other Lawyer Rosemarie something was on the Early Show. With John Q Kelly
Oduber, what are you waiting for? Apologize, now. World opinion places your past comments in the same category as Sadaam. Well, at least your attitude and comments will have earned you a spot in the history books. Too bad it’s in the chapter entitled : Dispicable Public Figures in History.
Another update for you, who worked so hard last years to get attention for Natalee.
Joran is still free, his hiding address assaulted by an angry Dutch croud.
The case was reopened, but is closed again. Not enough evidence.
However, you might charge him in America, and ask The Dutch state to extradite him.
Can anyone imagine a 21 year old saying go home, I’ll take care of it, you have to be in school tomorrow and act as if everything is normal? I doubt it. It sounds more like a father’s advise. Joran first said he would take the name of the person that helped him to the grave, and then mentions Daury. He did this in order not to mention his real accomplice: Daddy, not Daury.
Aruba needs to take control of this and start with the arrests.
Angry in the NL, just think how the parents of the girls who attend school with Joran feel?
Beth should get an apology from Aruba. I wanna hear renfro and the others there, give this poor mother an apology.
ARUBA: run daddy & mama sloot off your island and lets have a look around the house and property. do not give them room to breathe or move about freely. they are the reason you suffer along with oduber and your crooked cops.
until you take control of this situation, your plight will worsen !
DO NOT take justice into someone’s hands. That just adds another criminal to the mix and makes Joran look like a martyr – the last thing we want. It also prevents him from paying the ultimate price for his crime – living with it and what people think of him.
Yo, Edison Breisen, commissioner of tourism for Aruba. We’re waiting to see what you DARE to spin now. Every single one of you sand pigs who disgraced the good citizens of Aruba, and conspired to insult a grieving mother searching for her missing daughter, will feel the wrath of public opinion and disgust.
You have singlehandidly destroyed TOURISM, the only thing your miserable sand bar had going in the past. Was it worth the “all knowing” macho slant? Hint: no.
Urin is living his life sentence, The aruban authorities will do nothing (aruba expect the worse) Hey sloots today is the first day of the rest of your lives !!!
the story is true. yorin changed the names to protect the guilty. someone please tell the talking heads.
“Joran’s bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down…..”
The end is near for Joran. He will have to go hide in the hills with Osama Bin Laden, lol. No one else want Urine.
Justice for Natalee
molly in houston
I hope that is true about the chatter of a bounty hunter going after Joran. He is a complete SICKO. If he is not arrested for this, everyone from the U.S. and elsewhere should boycott travel to Aruba. He needs to be removed from this earth let alone society.
#16,
I also wouldn’t condone vigilante justice on Joren, But for him to pay the ultimate price you mentioned he would have to have a concience and this tape definately proves he has none.
I just don’t see how the authorities in Aruba can do nothing…by god they have a taped confession.
I’m sorry I want to post this again for the benefit of the Judge making the descisions for this case on Aruba. First of all I would like to know your name. Secondly I hope you have a daughter of puberty.
Third I would like to introduce her to Joran.
I’m sorry. I may be stuck on stupid some times; but this is not one of them.
So what shelf in the library do we place “Into the Deep”?
Does it go in the section labeled “Historic Novels”?
Does it go in “Clinical Psychology”?
Does it go as a reference book for “Criminal Investigations”?
Offense number one. He left someone stranded not knowing whether the person was alive or dead. He admitted that he was the last person to see Natalee alive and she was dead. So he cannot claim that aliens or Columbian fishermen killed her. Something happened to that person in his presence. He did not seek aid. He left her stranded, alone on the beach and probably in need of medical assistance..
Offense number two: He did not take her to her hotel. That was kidnapping.
We don’t have a body to determine if Natalee was killed or he administered a drug that caused her death.
Offense number three: He can be charged as an accessory for improper disposing of a body. He said he made the call (pay phone)(very calmly and Systematically I might add)for the person to come and get rid of Natalee. What; he only had one quarter and he had to decide between an ambulance or a boat? You did not choose wisely!!!
Not knowing if she were alive or dead, a good prosecutor would push for at the least involuntary manslaughter committed during a felony; illegal disposing of a body.
These are three charges that are criminal offenses on Aruba that Joran admits to and the Dutch judges are that friggen stupid that they can’t see it that way.
No I’m sorry they are stuck on stupid thinking we are that stupid to swallow their BS any longer.
IMHO: YOU DO NOT NEED A BODY; YOU HAVE A CASE.
Just who the hell are they protecting? It sure isn’t “Mr. Loose Lips”. I still say it is someone related to Rudolfo. He has sufficient clout to pin it on Joran and stick it up Paulus’ a$$. Of course Van Der Straaten may be getting even with Paulus when he was Van der Straaten’s boss. I’d like to check into that relationship.
Travel shows are coming; boycotts will be asked, protesters are ready: everything is in place.
Just a question here: does everyone now accept Joran’s assertion that what happened, happened on the beach? This is what he said way back when, but skepticism gradually grew.
We still, as far as I know, have no reason to believe that this is the case … or disbelieve, for that matter. The only “evidence” that we have for it, as far as I know, is Joran’s word.
Which is worth a big, fat zero in my book, unless his statements can be corroborated.
So Joran thinks the Kalpoes are stupid … once again, he agrees with many of us Scared Monkeys.
I’d include him, his family, and the Aruban government and media in that category. With a few other choice epithets to follow.
Seriously, though … is everyone now prepared to accept that what happened, happened on the beach?
k (#21) … Many of us think that Aruba deserves to be boycotted regardless of what happens to Joran and his family. Indeed, we have been working to promote that goal, and continue to do so.
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
Joe Mammana, the infamous bad boy turned good, with the outspoken, unforgiving and vigilante attitude was asked to address some of the rumors from the media and the internet. “If it’s anything bad…everyone thinks its me…I bet they all think I was the guy in the grassy knoll, too.”, Mammana laughs.
M: The National Enquirer article states that you have bounty hunters after Joran in Holland. Is that true?
Joe: Yes I do. They are professionals that just want to talk to Joran. To my knowledge, they have not yet approached him.
(These professionals contacted and met with Joran’s school in Holland who stated he was no longer a student.)
hoepelman and Jeep,
Yes, you both have to be correct. I cannot imagine that Joran would protect anyone other than his dad. Why bother? Besides, apparently his father is the ONLY one who’s downfall would cause Joran to be found guilty without a doubt and visa-versa.
Wonder who daddy’s friend is? Then again, as twisted and sick as Joran is…it IS possible he had a friend equally demented that would ENJOY throwing her into the ocean. You know, get a sick sexual pleasure of some sort from doing so. Sadly, people like that do exist…remember Scott Peterson? No remorse there either!
4. Native Islander
Thank you for your post.
It pleases me a great deal that both Mr. and Mrs. VDS have to report to work today knowing that almost everyone they face are looking at them with contempt and disgust. Few will look at them with any sympathy any longer.
As for Paulus, he realizes everyone he deals with now and in the future knows his son [about whom he stated "he would do anything"] called him stupid/dumb. And, that is exactly what Joran thinks about his father. Even those Joran apologists Joran know without doubt there was simply no need for Joran to speak about his father using those insulting words.
Let us all hope Paulus and Anita remember much of what Joran said on those tapes every day for the rest of their lives. That they hear that tape on a loop playing over and over in their head every day.
What is the latest with “Daury”??? Has he denied his actions with Joran? … Can he establish a time line for “that particular date/was he visiting Aruba for a few days”?
Of course I believe it was Paulus Joran called.
It would have been easy to take a small boat from a dock and go out to sea for a few miles and return back without being noticed at 2:30am or later.
I think Joran and the 2K got the girl; that was their role. I think there were others involved too in the gang rape/murder and some of them higher ups in Aruba government. After Joran and others beat her to death, they got Joran out of the picture as he was seen leaving C& C’s with her.
Daddy Sloot would be the one to tell Joran to go to school normally. No kid or 25 yr old would mention SCHOOL! Daddy Sloot made the arrangements to get rid of Natalee in the ocean.
I am curious as to why they continue to protect Paulus, Joran and his fat ass mother after the way he continually criticizes them??????
Hey Joran, ever heard of…..
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you?
We have to strike while the iron is hot. Now that 20/20 Oprah and everyone else is covering the case, they should also encourage the boycott until justice is served for Natalee and America!
From what we’ve seen of Joran, I don’t believe he would take the rap for his father … or anyone else. The smug little psychopath couldn’t even imagine sacrificing himself. Natalee, yes, sure … she’s nothing to him.
I posted a story on an earlier thread … now Joran is saying that he hopes to get “a big compensation” from somebody or other. We’ve heard this strain before, haven’t we?
Joran’s whole tone is so odious that either he is a full-blown psychopath or, perhaps, he actually was letting on SOMEWHAT, trying to portray the image of being badder-than-bad. It would take a depraved and sub-adolescent mind to act that way;
I think we all agree that Joran has it in spades.
Meanwhile, let’s remember: we can post on blogs, write to our legislators, spit on the Aruban flag, etc., etc. The most practical thing that we can do is to spread the boycott Aruba message.
We owe Aruba NOTHING. Let’s protect our own people.
You can get information at JusticeforNatalee@hotmail.com. Protests are planned at Aruba Tourism Authority events in Boston and New York at the end of the month.
Recent events have put this case back in the headlines. Carpe diem … let’s seize the opportunity. Stand up for Natalee!
FYI,
Since Joran claims Natalee died of natural causes and there is no evidence to prove otherwise, he can (for now) only be prosecuted for disposing of a body.
Pursuant to Aruban law, the maximum sentence for this is 6 months (pursuant to Dutch law 2 years). This is not enough to keep him in jail for more than 3 days, especially since he was already jailed 2 times without being brought before court.
One confession without supporting evidence is just not enough to get someone convicted. Moreover since Joran lied several times and is not really credible. Even during his ‘confession’ he lied about certain things such as who picked him up and the age of this Daury….
Let me clarify … when I say I don’t think Joran would protect his father, what I mean is:
if Paulus was involved, and if Joran knows it, then if Joran goes down … so does Daddy.
And so does everyone else of whom Joran knows.
Paulus must be sweating bullets again…remember how guilty he looked while talking to Beth at his home…. sweat drops….
Paulus and Anita let Joran rule and now they need to be accountable for doing that. They have allowed a monster to develop on his own.
I hope you rot in hell Joran. You are the stupid boy!
#31 Richard, I think Joran would cover for his dad because his dad has the clout of being an attorney and can help him in any legal court hearing. With daddy being an attorney along with Joran’s sociopath ego, he thinks he is sitting pretty.
I bet Anita is distraught today or the opposite still sitting there saying my sporter just told Patrick what he wanted to hear he would never do anything like that.
Joran always gets his way…. so if he apologizes to the world and says his confession is a lie than he expects the world to believe him….
He is self deluted. He did not want to include the Kalpoes in this mess because they probably know that Joran gave her a date drug and is responsible for her death. Joran would not want them talking, so he opp’s to say they are innocent.
Any one have a vido clip of paulass sweating them bullets ??? Shur would kewl to post the clip !!!
urin is living proof that anita had sex with a eggplant, But what happend after the sex ??? Did a seed make it’s way into anita and papa fertilized it or did the eggplant stay up there and germinated into urin vandersweat ???
Aruba the world is watching…..
you can no longer perfume the pig. No more perfume left. We smell your pigs.
One question for Hans Mos — Do all prisoners have cell phones while residing in your prisons? What’s with the cell phone? Did it come hidden in the Bible?
So what does Joran have on Paulus? Maybe, that he dumped Natalee in the ocean and she still could have been alive? Maybe, something much bigger than that and he called in a favor from somebody he has the goods on. Maybe, somebody like Oduber or one of the other higher ups.
If bounty hunters get Joran, they will probably torture him until he spills the beans. It might take awhile, but there are techniques. Are there bounty hunters out to get the Kalpoes and Paulus, too? Makes one go hmmmmmmmmm……….
Anita – did your students greet you this morning with a warm “good morning.” It would totally creep me out to have a teacher for my kids who was carrying such dark, sick secrets. Not what we all certainly look for in our educational system.
So I guess that in Aruba, the newspaper Diario and Jossy was right all this time. The others, Aruba Today (Julie Renfro), Bon Dia (Tito Lacle), Solo di Pueblo (Edmond Croes), Pueblo na Palabra (Stanley Arends), Noticiero 95 (Harry Croes), and the leader of the anti-Beth Movement, John Merryweather… will have to APOLOGIZE. How will they defend Joran this time? Or are they still walking around with their eyes closed? If the stupid Judge of Instruction in Aruba does not want to re-arrest Joran, then go ahead Alabama! Let your State Attorney General draft up an arrrest warrant for Joran, and ask The Hague to arrest him and extradite the sporter back to the States.
Maybe bounty hunters might grab one of Joran’s brothers. Maybe not now, maybe not next year, maybe when they go off to college someplace else. Would Joran take his secrets to his grave and sacrifice a brother along with himself?
#1: Bob: Thank you!
It is still unclear if Peter de Vries is present at Larry King, Oprah, etc. He is unhappy with all the copyrights and exclusive rights of these shows. Do not know the exact details, but do not be surprised if he stays home ….
#29 Sharon, Daury said that he was in school in Rotterdam. He thought that Joran’s claim was preposterous.
molly in houston
#31 Richard, That’s why I think that Joran kept saying, “This is stupid.” He thinks it is stupid for him to get into trouble for some unimportant little girl from the US. She didn’t mean anything to him then and she doesn’t mean anything to him now. To Urine, Natalee was just another ‘piece of meat’. So why should he get into trouble? It is stupid……if you totally have no regard for human life, especially females.
Boycott Aruba Forever
Justice for Natalee
molly in houston
Once the address for acceptance of donations to the Joran Bounty Fund is posted, the flood of donations from every corner of the globe will be staggering. Not one cent for Aruba.
Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.
why was Paulus arrested for Premediated Murder in the first place?
So, Daury apparently WAS in school at the time. Hmmm. Let’s go back in time and remember who had boats small enough to come so close to shore. How deep is the water at the pier (if that is indeed where they put her in the boat)? I mean, if it were only a few feet deep, had to be a small boat. I larger fishing vessel would not have been easy to miss by anyone on the beach, you know? Not even at night…so my first assumption is a smaller-type boat.
Certainly, this has much to do with Joran dumping his shoes. They had to be soaking wet with seawater because no doubt he would NOT have carried Natalee onto the pier itself…would have had to bring her under it to hide his terrible deed. Another reason it makes sense the boat could not have been very large as they couldn’t have put her in there easily. Would also explain only going out about 1 mile. A large boat could have gone further faster. Time was obviously a hugh factor re: the distance to be travelled away from the island.
I have a feeling more people are going to come out of the woodwork to talk at this point. If they do not, Aruba is only going to screw itself more and more. With such a corrupt government/law enforcement in place, it takes little imagination to understand why people would fear coming forward. Especially since it’s been shown to the world only keeping the liars and killers safe seems to matter to those who should have been protecting the same.
OOPS!! Last post I meant to end with saying:
“Especially since it’s been shown to the world only keeping the liars and killers safe seems to matter to those who should have been prosecuting the same.”
LORD did I mess up THAT post :>)
#49 Brenda: It does not have to be a small vessel or fishing vessel. Joran said Daury was working for a company with jetskis, banana speedboats, etc. It is possible he took a jetski or speedboat to the beach, put Natalee in the boat and then ….. it was round 2 am so no one may have noticed it.
#23: How about the crime of rape. According to what has been said about Aruban law, if Natalee was so drunk (Joran’s claim) that she died of an over dose, then she couldn’t have consented to sex now could she?
Actually, medical experts say that Natalee could not have killed herself with alcohol because there was not enough time nor did she exhibit other symptoms that come first.
The fact that Joran describes him having sex with Natalee and then her suddenly having a seizure/heart attack and foaming at the mouth, is proof of rape. Joran was apparently smothering her so that she would not throw up.
Joran’s role in her death, in fact, goes deeper. He said she was shaking, which could mean having a seizure or convulsing, both of which are possible side effects of the date rape drugs GHB or ketamine. Joran didn’t just dispose of the body because he was scared or confused. He deep-sixed her because tox screens would have pointed the finger right at him. Murderous little SOB….
I believe there is some truth to what he said and lies too.. Natalee walked out on her own just fine of Carlos N Charlies, if she were so drunk, she was close to a coma,, it wouldn’t have happened. All you have to do is read the behaviour of someone on the BAC chart to see how one behaves that is so intoxicated. Another one, she couldn’t consent to sex if she was that drunk, mentally confused and falling asleep off and on, etc.. Dompig said before he brought that before the court, that could be seen as Rape. The judge didn’t accept it, because of Joran telling so many lies. If she was given a date rape drug on the way out, maybe it didn’t take effect yet or mix with the alcohol yet. She was talking to her friends and said she was going back to the Holiday Inn with the other MB students. Based on these 3′s records of lies, who know what Natalee was given or what was done to her once she got in the car or if she thought it was a taxi, because it was reported Joran said he was a soccer player 19 from Holland according to her friends. Maybe he told her they were staying at the same hotel, so they would catch a ride together. One thing is for sure, what he told her wasn’t the truth. He has been lying and lying for 3 years.
Another thing, it doesn’t explain the criminal like behaviour the Kalpoes engaged in immediately, if they knew nothing. Cleaning the car that night for ants before daylight, as JQK’s papers stated totally uncharacteristic and methodically done. Deepak stating Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off? Why? if he knows nothing. What about the 8 and a half minute call to Deepak that night, the longest ever recorded? Deepak’s car behind the Sloots, when he said he was at work and the casino, Deepak’s car behind the police station, when he said he was home then went to work. Deepak’s statement they have all been in the same hotel room having sex with tourists, yet Joran says the Kalpoes never had any girls. Deepak saying they would go out and Freddie and/or Joran made the move on the girls first. Hans Mos saying there is chat sessions of them going to pick up American, female tourists and what they planned to do with them. Joran and Deepak claiming to be at the casino yet all sweaty and dirty at the Sloots when Beth and company arrived back. The police car taped interview. Joran would get 15 years if they find the girl.. They will see the chit if they find the car says the Kalpoes. Joran says, I should’ve killed you. Your own father, unbelievable, says the Kalpoes. Paulus telling them the next day if they have no body, they have no case. Even Joran says last night, if they found her he would be in trouble. Why? Why would he walk home and on the way all at once take off his shoes and throw them away? Why did Jaimie say Joran called him before Joran had even said he met the girls that night… to ask him to go to CnC to meet some MB girls? Why did Paulus say in his police statement, he gave Joran permission to go out the next night, yet on Nova say Joran again sneaked out. Paulus suddenly develops amnesia during his police statement. Deepak told the black security guard in jail, that the Dutch guy and his father and them sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie,, that lie was told the night Beth arrived… The only way for that lie to have been made up by all of them was before it was known publicly Natalee was missing. Why did cops arrest the 2 guards after watching the tape within a couple days, that Natalee didn’t return to the Holiday Inn? Why are all these people related or friends allowed to investigate a crime and have access to police files? Why did AHATA etc spend so much money trying to save their tourism by further tourturing a grieving family? Why does Joran say Straten told him if he told the truth, he would make sure he got a mental place, not prison? Joran goes on to say Straten is his father’s friend.
Sorry, but people don’t go out on consensual dates, one becomes sick and they call in some creep to dump the body, when they are guilty of nothing. The story isn’t matching the known facts. All these people talk about is money… Remember Larry Garrison who tried to be friends with Deepak.. he said all Deepak wanted was money, he was gonna write a book and not talk about Natalee, because Deepak said noone cared about Natalee.. He even called Natalee a slut..On the tape he said Greta offered him lots of money to talk, which she denys.. Here Joran is seen over and over bragging about how he’s going to make a fortune on this story. He knew Natalee’s family was wealthy he said. Was that photoshopped picture a way to make money from her family? I don’t know.. Perhaps even, if he says the Kalpoes did nothing, they could win the lawsuit of dr. Phil and split the money.. Sorry, people I just don’t put anything past this group of people anymore.. They are soooo sick..
Joran knew he could not use his dads name and used Duary’s instead. Joran wants to protect his dad…He is Jorans meal ticket, attorney in law who can be an advocate in the court system for him…. He would not throw pappa under the train …. YET…. not until he is used up.
This was Dompig’s statement in Vanity Fair about Joran walking home..
It’s been widely reported, for instance, that Joran returned to his home that morning around four. In fact, Dompig says, “nobody knows what time he got home.” Nor is it clear how he got there. “He says he walked,” Dompig continues, a distance of about two miles. “That is very unlikely.”
The tennis shoes Joran wore that night have never been found, which police find suspicious.
Sharon Chicago (#36) … I think that Joran would cover for his father as long as it served his own interest. If he were sentenced to a long jail term, when Daddy couldn’t do anything for him, he’d turn on him in a second.
That’s my idea. The little psychopath thinks that Daddy is his ticket to freedom … and to hell with anything else.
But if this ticket doesn’t get him the ride he wants (apologies to the Beatles), then his narcissism will prevail. If HE has to be in jail, then everyone else will come down too.
That’s what I think. Let’s hope that we get the chance to find out … it doesn’t seem that anything leads to punishment on Aruba.
Unless, of course, you’re a black security guard.
In NYC, radio WINS(1010), “all news-all the time-give us 20 minutes-we’ll give you the world”, is splashing mention every 20 minutes about Joran’s confession aired yesterday in the Netherlands.
In addition, there are sound bites about tonights ABC 1 hour “20-20″ TV show in which the Natalee Holloway story will be shown, including the just updated undercover tapes of scumbag Van der Sloot’s confession.
Rumors circulating from California indicate that Oprah is temporarilly suspending live appearances on behalf of Barack Obama, presidential candidate, and preparing to air a special segment on Natalee . Wouldn’t it be wonderful if she could convince Obama to make mention of Aruba’s (and others) who do not protect Americans traveling abroad? Correctly worded, he would vault Hillary’s flagging poll numbers by 15 points in 1 day. Super tuesday is tomorrow.
Time to make hay while the sun shines, and rack up those votes along the way.
And so, some of Aruba’s 10 dirty little secrets have been displayed for all the world to see. It is clear that the chief probable reason why so much of the official stance the corrupt Aruban government has taken is due to how high up the food chain Natalee’s murder and sweep it under the table approach it goes. Drugs, prostitution, money-laundering, human trafficing, infidelity, and worse are known by all, and is a way of life on God’s lowly sandbar.
Aruba has no reputation left, they are in total freefall. As the song says: ‘There ain’t no stoppin’ it now……’
I am saddened that we as humans can be so mean! I can’t even imgaine dumping someone’s body. I would get them help even if I was going to get in trouble. My heart goes out to the family. They’ve had to watched this for 3 years! this may give them the strength to heal!
here in the United States you are innocent to proven guilty. I think his “confession” is the truth. He never confesses to killing Natalie…sounds like she liked o party hard, probably too hard if anything, the person that dumped her body is potentialy guilty of manslaughter. He panicked, and he doesn’t sound too smart, but I don’t see anything in that video that says he killed her
Read this:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_faq.shtml
Side Effects: “… muscle contractions or “seizures”….)
Joran Petrus Van Del Sloot did not call the Polis because he drugged Nat with GHB.
She went into respiratory distress because she has asthma. Petrus, freaking out though she was dead. GHB causes extremities to become cool to the touch. Difficulty waking those that have been drugged with GHB.
They dump her into ocean… alive.
Why are the politicians covering for Petrus?
Why has not Obuder demanded Petrus to be brought to Justice?
Maybe there is more than one Lion on One Nightmare Eiland….
Last chance Aruba. Do the right thing or no more money.
Get ready to BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER!
One Nightmare Eiland…our holidays will kill you.
Saoirse
Sorry but it’s not ARUBA’s FAULT! It’s Jorans fault he get rid of natalee’s body & for first of all Joran is not even an ARUBIAN! So get over it people.. Aruba 4-life!!!
#63….you want us to “get over it”?
so what if Joran is not Aruban. HE WAS LIVING THERE and the fact is OTHERS LIVING ON THAT ISLAND HELPED HIM WHILE THE “CRIMINAL JUSTICE” SYSTEM (which is certainly got at least ONE Aruban native in it) CHOSE TO DO NOTHING BUT MAKE LIGHT OF IT.
Who are you anyway? JOran in disguise using a girl’s name to post?
TO AMSTERDAM #32
HOW IN THE HELL WOULD JORAN KNOW THAT NATALEE DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES?? WHAT IS HE NOW (OR YOU FOR THAT MATTER) A COUPLE OF DOCTORS???
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THEY NEED TO PROSECUTE HIM AND PUT HIM IN PRISON. YOU CAN GO WITH HIM IF YOU WANT.
I don’t think anyone should kill Joran –that’s too good for him. Just castrate the f*cker with a really dull knife and shove his balls down his throat. When it looks like he’s stopped breathing, call a friend for “help” and toss him off a boat in the middle of the night about a mile offshore. I’m sure he’ll be fine.
So, let me get this straight. In order for Urine ‘ladies man’ Van der Sloot to muster up a “hook up” with one of his ‘victims’ he must dose her up with his ‘pocket shot’ of GHB because if she is in a complete COMA she won’t notice what a completely neurotic narcissistic sociopathic coward he obviously is when he opens his mouth. He also has even MORE to hide before he violates his innocent victims, with his tiny penis.
But a typical delusional megalomaniacal pathological liar becomes very FRUSTRATED when his victim has respiratory depression from the GHB, becomes hypercarbic, causing respiratory acidosis which then commonly sets off seizure activity. This really makes since since he asked Dave Holloway if she had a ‘history of seizures’ the first night they tracked down the P.O.S.
OH, but since the ‘ladies man’ has already deposited his semen sample and thinks his victim is dead, she really pisses him off at this point, because it has disrupted his night out on the town. Obviously, by later describing this innocent victim as a ‘bitch’ and a ‘whore’ he is REALLY PISSED OFF that she has quit breathing, and it is COMPLETELY her fault (and not his own) for doing this. Just for that…..she deserves to be dumped into the ocean 2 kilometers out so that the leward winds will take her far out toward the abyss. Nevermind that being in a coma from GHB is REVERSIBLE and if the EMS were dispatched and oxygen were delivered she likely would have survivied…..(BUT that pesky semen deposit wwould have been hard to explain at the hospital) so, instead, the criminal decides to dispose of the evidence and let her needlessly drown.
In Alabama we have an excellent judicial system designed for ruthless narcissistic sociopathic criminals like Urine Van der Sloot or such Pathological Liars as Scott Peterson.
They won’t be in an air-conditioned country club prison with television.
With some heavy political pressure from our State and Federal Attorney Generals, possibly requiring a congressional inquest, premeditated rape, kidnapping, manslaughter from overdose of a date rape drug, criminal disposal of a body of a US citizen in international waters AND multiple counts of obstruction of justice will fall under our international laws for reciprocation for extradition for a prima facie case.
When Urine winds up in Alabama, he will wish he were never born. And even more-so that he had uttered the word “Bitch” because that is exactly what HE will become every single day of the rest of his miserable existance. “Violation” to him will take on a whole new meaning…..day in and day out. He WILL have a living hell (to put it lightly) for the rest of his days…..and then rot in hell thereafter.
Fact; Date rape drugs like GHB can cause seizures, coma, or death.
A logical theroy:
Joran was in deep dodo if they found Natalee cause
he thought she died after he slipped her a micky (GHB) at the bar. He would be caught if the body was autopsied so he got rid of the evidence to protect himself.
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In any common law system, there would now be more than enough evidence to convict this scumbag. His statements are plainly party admissions. What’s up with the Dutch system?
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Ladies, gentlemen: My name is Gerard Rorik, in the south of the Netherlands. What happened to poor Natalie, happened also here in the Netherlands to a young woman. And also police and officers of Justice intentionally messing up, lying, and hampering the investigation. They HAD the murderer, but because it was a turk ,,with other culture then we” they let him go. Unbelieveble but exactly what happened. But: There is a great ,,but”: The parents of that missing girl went to the only One Who knows exactly what happened: God Himself. They prayed and did not stop. The case was solved, the body found, the murderer died of flying liver cancer. And I tell for sure: If the parents or step-parents ask the Lord for help: For sure they will and shall be holpen. Then the murderers wil come to trial by God Himself. Sometimes I am ashamed to be a Dutchman. Gerard.
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All you people talk about is what he did to Natalee. Theres no proof shes even dead. Im not sayin he has nothing to do with her disappearance cuz obviously he does. Theres a story that Joran told about selling her to a guy from Venezuela as a sex slave for $10,000. He brought her down to the beach to give her to the guy. He took his shoes off and got on the boat with her. Then they restrained her and he hopped off the boat. thats where his shoes are
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