RSSNatalee Holloway: Aruba Police Say More Evidence Than on De Vries Tapes Against Joran Van der Sloot
Is the Peter R. De Vries tapes of Joran Van der Sloot just the tip of the ice berg? Aruban police say that there is more evidence against Joran Van der Sloot than what was seen on the secret recordings of Joran Van der Sloot and his admissions of what he did with Natalee Holloway.
Joran Van der Sloot in his need for attention has cooked his own goose.
Aruban investigators say there’s more evidence against Joran van der Sloot than was revealed in Monday’s broadcast of a hidden-camera interview with the chief suspect in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.
In the interview, which ran Monday night on ABC’s 20/20, van der Sloot said Holloway lost consciousness while they were kissing on the beach in May 2005 and he then called a friend named Daury with a boat, who disposed of her body in the ocean.
Aruba’s chief prosecutor said Monday that he believes the interview is admissible in court.
Investigators did search two places van der Sloot has lived in Holland on Monday, removing some evidence, Richardson said. He would not specify what the evidence was but said investigators know what they’re looking for. On Monday, an acquaintance of van der Sloot’s named Daury Rodriguez held a news conference in Aruba with his attorney, who denied his client had any role in Holloway’s death. In the television footage, van der Sloot said he did not kill her, but that he called “Daury” from a nearby pay phone after he could not revive her. Although he said it was difficult to tell the story, he also bragged about how the event didn’t bother him. “I was even able to sleep that night,” van der Sloot said. “I just went home and went to bed.” Mos said Aruban courts would likely accept the tape, which was first broadcast Sunday in Holland, as evidence because it was recorded by a private citizen outside the influence of police.
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I wouldn’t hold my breath unless the evidence is very new. Didn’t they just review all evidence during his last arrest and say it was insufficient?
Anyone ever tick the site meter on the bottom rt of the scared monkeys site? Almost 70K hits a day!
Sure would like to know who is visiting from Scum bag Aruba so they can fully understand what we think of their judicial system.
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So, the cover-up continues. The decision to cover up the crime was made lickity split, but the decision to undo the cover up is taking longer.
Such the conundrum. And I love watching Aruba squirm. They deserve it.
The Aruban “Brain Trust” has been locked in a room for over 72 hours deciding how to conclude this case, get Natalee her Justice and not end up hanging like Mussolini from a lamp post.
Better call Holland and get some serious brain power involved pronto.
I know we do not understand dutch law very well but I am furious over Joran not being arrested and charged yet.
We all knew that like OJ this idiot would also one day confess while high or drunk. It doesnt discredit the admissions. I cannot believe this crap.
The past few days are weighing heavy on my shoulders. I am totally heartbroken for Natalees family. How in the world has that government allowed this killer and who ever helped him roam the streets? How can they bad mouth the family? How is it the reporters over there have from day one and continue to help cover for the vds family?
Something tells me that without SM this case would have ceased. It is indeed amazing what you guys have done. I personally do not believe all the theories I read here as I know certain things to be untrue. That said, due to all the lies that were told to the family, I am sure they held on to everything that was said to them in hopes of finding their child.
Justice will prevail this time. Joran finally told the truth. He even mentioned his father without saying his name as we all know. What a good boy. I am sure papa is proud. Stick a fork in ‘em.
thats why he had to reiterate that he would never say his family helped him get rid of Natalee’s body, because he did say that to someone and they know it. Paulus is the real culprit here, Natalee may have willingly had sex with Jurine, but was turned off by the evil paulus and she fought back when she came to, and they had to kill her. Why did they have to have him on casino surveilance that night? because apaulus was planning on getting rid of the body that night, but Beth’s Possee interrupted ole pervy paul. The whole island should be nuked. They chose Natalee because she was an American, and that makes the sloot family a terrorist cell, and shoul be dealt with appropriately. waterboarding. all of them. Anyone who kills paulus or urine will surely be made a saint by public opinion.
“van der Sloot said he did not kill her, but that he called “Daury” from a nearby pay phone after he could not revive her”
Did he actually say Daury?? I didn’t see that.
Hoping “new evidence” means that the comments Joran made helps confirm evidence that they had but couldn’t use in past…or, evidence was indeed found on his computer that they confiscated. I will always believe Papa helped with disposal. I think the tapes do help explain why nothing was ever found anywhere that linked Joran to Natalee because all the action took place on the beach, and then he had time to get his clothes washed, to shower and remove any part of Natalee’s DNA that might have been found since it was several days before police ever questioned him.
and he went to the marriott to be on talp, not the HI, so that means he did not trust the HI’s security tape crew to leave him in where he was. and that means posner.
Yes, he did actually say “Daury”…I saw it.
posted by VMS in the forum:
Forensic Psychologist Corine de Ruiter:
“Joran has psychopathic traits”
Corine de Ruiter is Professor of Forensic Psychology at Maastricht University. She’s followed Peter R de Vries’s TV crime programme about Natalee Holloway from start to finish. She calls it “brilliant” and “very professionally made”. In an interview with NRC Handelsblad she today analyses Joran van der Sloot. De Ruiter: “Of course it’s impossible to make a diagnosis on the strength of a television programme. Everything portrayed during the show would have to be verified. Not only the facts but people’s behaviour as well.”
A number of striking quotes from De Ruiter about Joran van der Sloot from the NRC Handelsblad interview:
“It’s not about Natalee. It’s all about him. He got away with it. He is counting on compensation for being unjustly held in police custody.”
“He is the picture of an extremely antisocial young man. Very egocentric. Egomania. He uses others. No sense of empathy. Joran talks about Natalee as if she were a thing. Lots of smoking dope, gambling, picking up girls, a certain fascination with gangsters. He tends towards an antisocial lifestyle and has psychopathic traits.”
“Drugs can supress one’s inhibitions somewhat, but it’s not like they’re going to start making up all kinds of stories under the influence of cannabis.”
“I’m very convinced by what I have seen. Lying and manipulating the criminal investigators: it all fits in. And if Joran didn’t have these personality traits, he would have dealt with the situation with Natalee differently. The cover-up was quite calculating. The next day he went to school as if nothing had happened.”
“Such a scheming mindset is a risk factor for violence. And since Joran is so narcissistic, he easily feels offended.”
http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-psychologist.htm
Firefly on February 6th, 2008 1:58 pm
“van der Sloot said he did not kill her, but that he called “Daury” from a nearby pay phone after he could not revive her”
Did he actually say Daury?? I didn’t see that.
….
right… that is what he said. however, he supposedly has his cellphone in his pocket.
the one he calls deepak with. why dicker around
with a pay phone? (one that tacopina claims
u can only make international calls on.)
btw- i believe tacopina saying you can only make international calls out on it, about as much as
I believe Joran-stein is innocent, the Kalpoes were just along for the ride, & the Toofus
Fairy!
http://tinyurl.com/3cqrcr
Oh happy day… Vengence is mine says the Lord…
Joran the sociopath has given one too many stories and he will now have to pay behind bars.
I can’t imagine all the other stuff he told Patrick on the tape …Police are using it with other statements he gave …
Joran you have been caught…game over!
I guess there was no one in Holland to wash the computers for Joran.
BTW wanna bet Peter has got another one up his sleeve? I bet when this is done, Joran will never drink wine again.
Aruba is under a log of pressure with the worlds eyes on it waiting for justice to come forth for Natalee.
They must feel the weight of it all from America and the Netherlands (not to mention other countries)breaking the news on all news chanels on what a sociopath killer Joran is.
They cannot hide this or sweep it under the carpet….they have a runaway train on their dirty hands!
Joe Taco said immediately that the coast guard checked the pay phone next to the hotel and Joran did not call Duary n…. Now his story is that the phone only allows for international calls and not local…
Somebody should fry him up somemore bacon and beans. He probably did not know anything prior to making those rash statements about the pay phone…. He is a loose cannon.
Hello Scared Monkeys. Congratulations on your persistence to get justice for Natalee. People like you, who did also not forget about Natalee, are like Dutch Peter responsible that the persuit for Justice for Natalee continues.
I would like to address #4 : “I do not understand the Dutch legal system, but I am furious …”. Well, there are many, who don´t understand the Dutch legal system, as well as there are many who do not understand the American legal system.
In the Netherlands “prove by provocation” is forbidden. A police officer is not supposed to go “undercover” as a drugsdealer and try to sell illegal substances to any, and than making a bust by “you tried to buy drugs, because you were trying to buy them from me”. “prove by provocation” is not accepted in Dutch court.
You can discuss in length wether that is fair or not, matter is : it is not valid prove in the Netherlands. The whole tape, a “I (Patrick) am a drugs dealer and I like you” is not valid enough for the answer “Well, I am Joran, You KNOW me!”.
Than some more news from the Netherlands :
No time to translate, but Aruban minister of tourism, says the wave of Natalee-Aruba-Boycotters is over, the reason for the 25 million lost is due to the lower dollar and Amricans in a financial crisis. Link :
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3231366/__Toerisme_Aruba_minder_benvloed___.html
And here another link : Medical Professor (highly decorated in the Netherlands and international) claiming to know the medical reason matching the symbtomps Joran described :
And this one is really funny :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9lhaoaL4SY
Keep the spirit Monkeys. Don´t let the presidential election in America get in the way of Natalee´s justice. She deserves better !
Anita with one of her little devils in training. Man, she is one ugly you know what. Anita, use some of Joran’s defense funds and set it aside for a damn facelift!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/158069056/in/photostream/
A picture is worth one thousand words.
…and this one has to be
appraised at 3 times that.
….
http://tinyurl.com/yrs54a
….
“Joran Of Of The Ditch ARE SICK.”
-Justice 4 Natalee!
You can put him in a suit but you can’t make him HUMAN!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/158069136/in/photostream/
Read below what happened in IL to parents who protected their son whom murdered a girl.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DE103AF93BA15750C0A963958260
Something for someone to ponder. Sacrificing one son for the other?
Larry King on Thursday: Beth and De Vries.
De Vries does two more smaller appearances (GMA?)
Tonight, if I heard it right, Beth on Greta.
Surprise!
Oh, and JS talks to cops tomorrow.
The tape – evidence IS admissable, but yes, do expect a fight over that one!
Joran told the ghost writer of his book he thinks about leaving The Netherlands.
I vote for North Korea.
No time to translate, but Aruban minister of tourism, says the wave of Natalee-Aruba-Boycotters is over, the reason for the 25 million lost is due to the lower dollar and Amricans in a financial crisis. Link :
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3231366/__Toerisme_Aruba_minder_benvloed___.html
…
The minister of Whore-ism in Aruba is continuing to masturbate himself again! Just like he has for the past three years that we’ve been kicking his
scrawny little ass all over the Caribbean.
*LOOK
I’ll effing rot in hell before I’d even consider going near Aruba in the future. ESPECIALLY, If Natalee’s case is not handled properly… those ass out, 3rd world, effin’ Aruba nit wits can kiss me in a place that I will reveal at a later date.
F ARUBA
Justice for Natalee (period)
#22 RM: So far I heard from Dutch news sources, Peter will appear at Larry King, Greta van Susteren and Good Morning America. He has not yet decided if he will appear on Oprah. She (or the television studio) has the most restrictive contract (something with exclusive rights). I do not know *when* he will appear, Peter left his country earlier today with his wife and Patrick.
anyone heard from Aruba Steve Cohen or has he been murdered and raped too ?
I read hem too, FL.
Bedankt.
Larry K. is a fact.
One can email Larry a question for DV and Beth on his site.
Did anyone else hear the news snippet that Paulus had sent some sort of communication to Holland denying that he supplied Joran with a cell phone while in prison?
So, is Paulus now also calling Joran a liar?
It’s funny to see Jorans last name is translated by the various translation sites as ‘ditch’.
Mommy: watch Larry King. That issue may come up.
#14 – ha, ha – here’s one better: bet where Joran’s going they don’t serve wine!!
when we get the sloots calling each other liars and the kalpoots calling the sloots liars and the sloots calling the kalpoots liars the truth will come out.
i bet ol daddy has sweated the swimming pool full by now.
I wouldn’t step foot on Aruban soil, even if I was given an all expenses paid trip
I don’t think that anyone, ever again, will pay any attention to what Aruba SAYS (about the boycott or anything else).
The question is: what will Aruba DO?
Let them know that pressure for the boycott will only be mounting.
Hey, scum of the Caribbean … for nearly three years your government has lied, evaded, distorted, and slandered the family of the victim.
Don’t expect any sympathy from us.
One more time. Broadcasting these tapes almost completely destroyed the possibility to find the truth, especially if there were more people involved.
It’s totally unlogical (highly suspicious even for experienced and professional people) that Aruban police, Peter and Beth went forward with this. Not releasing it(yet) could not have done any harm and only then it might have been unsable to find out what really happened and to get Joran and possibly others convicted.
There still is a very serious chance Joran is only protecting someone else. No matter how sick it sounds to do something like that, broadcasting this now means this person(s) will probably never get caught even if they brutally raped Natalee, killed her and dumped her body. For all we know Joran might have gone home and the brothers raped and killed her, told him she died from overdose and got him into protecting them.
Peter R. de Vries will go down for broadcasting these tapes this early. It was nothing more than moneymaking, revenge on Joran and giving beth the answer she wanted.
It has nothing to do with finding the truth, it almost completely destroyed that possibility.
he may want to move to uk or belgium for about a year till this boils over.people there probably arent following the case too closely and wouldnt recognize him.i doubt north korea is a viable option.maybe south america-brazil-euros may go a long way there…..
On today’s headline…ARUBA POLICE SAY MORE EVIDENCE THAN ON DE VRIES TAPES?? That’s the biggest “DUH!!” we’ve all heard in awhile. Oh, you mean, like some of the evidence Aruba has had since the investigation began that has been covered up? I’m not mad at the innocent people who have chosen to live on that island, just the retards who are in charge of running it.
I am sorry to say, one cannot get excited when reading a headline like that considering the source. We have been (and continue to be) dissapointed by the Aruban Police and DA to this day. What kind of Judge over there would NOT have already had JVDS extradicted from Holland???? I can’t get over that…it really, really was so upsetting & frustrating to hear about that judges denial of order ONE day after DeVries tapes went public !! =(
–J4N
Boycott? Did someone mention boycott? This is a perfect segue for my great news:
Permits have been secured for both Boston and NY. In fact, in NY, we have the fine
cooperation of NYPD Blue! They will set up a special spot.
We also have excellent brochures, fabulous message giveaways (pens, totes, magnets),
and those same beautiful signs and banners you have seen plus maybe 1 or 2 new ones.
Jodi will create a Natalee/Missing sweatshirt in your requested size for any attendee.
They look great and are very warm.
Thanks to all monkeys for your generous help!
One special favor: We do need more people to add to both groups going. ESPECIALLY NY.
More hands, please! If you need a ride or gas/train fare, sometimes there is help for that. Just ask Vicki; she will help if she can. Don’t be shy. We need you! Natalee needs you!
Just show up; that’s all you have to do. Let Vicki know if you can:
JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
All donations greatly appreciated and
put to good and proper use.
Thank you!!!!
Dutch forensic psychologist weighs in on Peter R. de Vries website:
http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-psychologist.htm
#28 Peter R. de Vries did send Paulus an e-mail asking him if it was trough about the phone. Paulus replied this mail only with “NEE”(NO). This mail was shown in Peter’s show last sunday.
I hope the courts make Joran, his family, the Kalpoes and all others involved in this crime to pay for the search that is going on to find Natalee.
@mommytraveler:Peter de vries showed an email at the end of his show in holland where paulus denied having given Joran the phone while in prison.
There is talk by dutch lawyers now saying the tapes are illegal and that they are an infringement on Jorans portrait rights. The result of this could be Peter de vries goes to jail and Joran collects damages from amongst others SBS6 and ABC who both aired the programm.
link: http://stevenbrown.web-log.nl/stevenbrown/2008/02/joran_miljonair.html
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2031959.ece
google translate:
Arubans are ready with Joran
By MAAIKE RUEPERT
PALM BEACH-ARUBA – Arubans have for the first time since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, almost three years ago, en masse against suspect Joran van der Sloot reversed.
Aruba feels betrayed by Joran.
There are even votes on the entire family Van der Sloot to bann them. Many islanders feel betrayed by the remarks of the suspect. Until recently the population felt itself attacked by the American press and the family Holloway. But for the parents of Natalee is now greater understanding than ever.
After seeing the images with the hidden camera in which Van der Sloot confessed to have dumped the body of Holloway, even to vote on the entire family Van der Sloot to declare persona non grata.
Dozens of radio listeners and readers of newspapers have by phone and e-mail to know how they feel betrayed by the words of Van der Sloot. Especially those who helped searching in 2005 to Holloway. The government gave five thousand civil servants two days of. The 20-year-old Van der Sloot had hitherto always the benefit of the doubt. The population has always felt more attacked by the American media and the family Holloway. For the Holloway family is now more understanding than ever.
,, This guy is a psychopath. He has everybody fooled,”says an angry watersportonderneemster, not with her name in the newspaper will to ‘not bothered’. ,, I think it is very sadfor the girl and her mother, but it is maybe worse for us. We are the victims and we have done nothing. My colleague, who is from Pennsylvania, his family gets to hear: You go to that murdererisland again? This week advised someone on CNN that more tourists to Bermuda can go.”
Managementconsultant Matilda Robles says that she Van der Sloot knew of face. , “He seemed like a nice boy, and I wanted no preconceptions about him, but now I do not doubt that he is behind Natalee’s disappearance. He gives it yourself.”
She is shocked about his remark that he could not believe that this is correct it must overcome. Robles: “If a judge him is not condemned, we condemn him.”
It is the Arubans pain that Van der Sloot in various interviews has always said the situation so bad to reconcile the Aruban people. Since the disappearance is Aruba’s image as the safest island of the Caribbean to grabbel thrown. The affair has the island in recent years, cost tens of millions of dollars damage, the government. Tourism from America fell in 2006 to 9 percent.
In Alabama, Holloway’s, nobody came. Aruba for tourism for more than 70 percent dependent on the United States.
Also Jorans father Paul van der Sloot, the ontgelden, now junior has admitted that his father a phone in prison to smuggle. Furthermore, the bad blood is that the family seems to be eager to money. Previously served Van der Sloot senior a claim, because he wrongly suspected would have been. That claim is rejected.
,, We do not understand that the prosecutor last week has had a conversation with the family Van der Sloot to warn them that the images of their adult son may have far-reaching consequences. Apparently enjoying the family Van der Sloot still a preferred position,”says the hoofdredactioneel comments from el Diario newspaper yesterday.
if there is other evidence, why havent they arrested joran yet? maybe justice will never be served in aruba??? probably trying to find a way to keep him out of jail!! this has been the most ridiculous fiasco i have ever heard of! ARUBA JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NONEXSISTANT REALLY FOR THOSE WITH MONEY AND POWER!
Joran is guilty and so is Paulus…just get it over with….!!!!!!!
42. JE. I think that would be the last straw. I don’t advocate any vigilante-type action, but I do think it would happen.
#42. JE. Oh, great. I think I am going to go toss my cookies now.
If there is any truth to this or it turns out to be factual, Oh, God—Let’s not even GO there!
P.S. I’m a little depressed now , thank you very much. Time to sign off and keep hope alive 4 tommorrow.
=(
-J4N (Screw infringments ($$$) or any compensation for Joran on his portrait rights. Portrait of what? He’s not even human, he’s a monster!)
#44 Deb,
I think they are making sure they have enough to convict him.
They can’t keep bringing him in and letting him go.
Next assignment for Peter R. De Vries: Bill Clinton’s taped confession of raping Juanita Broaddrick.
Both Beth and Jug are on Greta’s show tonight.
Michael # 43
Thank you for the report. Google translations allow most people to make minor adjustments in the words used, and the reader easily substitutes what we read into correct “english”. Appreciate the information!
We have to wonder to what lengths the Aruban “justice system’ will trot out every conceivable minor weak point and seem to make a stone wall to stop the arrest and prosecution of admitted confessed criminals. I guess Breisen’s tourism spin control is behind it all. Just how far does the Aruba-South American drug alliances go?
Where did Joran get his fascination with the gansta world?
Answer: The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
@ lilpuma and A new girl: Believe me i and i am sure 100% of rational people think that if this happened it would be the irony of ironies and totally unjust. But i know things like this happen over here. Lets just hope that the legal system acts according to the intent of the law and not the letter of the law.
Shporta drugged her with GHB, delivered her to LVR and he delivered her to the Arawak King – Obuder. Fun & games.
Holland needs to step in and squash the Lions of Aruba(* One Nightmare Eiland).
It goes higher than Shporta.
Hey Joran – Happy Chinese New Year!
BTW, it’s the year of THE RAT!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
Peter the Vries better start saying he will put all money he makes on this in some fund for abused children. It’s damage controll time for him cause he’s going down very very hard.
By broadcasting known bullshit he destroyed almost every possibility to find out the real truth and the people responsible, he abused Beth, and he even made sure Joran has a very strong case to get a lot of money.
Good luck the Vries! Hope you enjoy your few more days of fame!
If Joran’s confession is good enough for the brothers to sue Dr. Phil, then is should be good enough to convict him.
If Natalee is found at sea, in international waters, can the U.S. intervene?
Vicki # 38
as they say on Aol, you have mail.
It is so frustrating to keep seeing these new devlopments showing up and then nothing ever comes of them. i hope and pray that these tapes of Joran confessions do not get swept aside like trash because of one crazy loop hole or another. I want to see this as good news but i am afraid it will end up being ever more devastating then all the other times there seemed to be promise of finally nailing the little bas…well you know what i mean. Only to be told once again he is currently free and clear of any charges.
Investigators are looking for date rape drugs connected to Joran Van der Sloot. Hopefully, this is what they found in Holland.
JUDGE ROBERT WIT OBSTRUCTS THE GATHERING OF EVIDENCE
Joran van der Sloot was arrested on June 9, 2005 and a search warrant was issued for a complete search of the Van der Sloot residence and property five days later on June 14th. When the prosecution and police teams arrived to search the home they were met at the door by Dutch judge Robert Wit who summarily change the search warrant on the spot to exclude the Van der Sloot main residence and grounds, limiting the search only to Joran’s small apartment in the back of the house.
Judge Wit blocked the search of the van der Sloot residence even though he knew through Joran’s police statements that he said he was in the main house in the early morning hours when he returned home after supposedly dropping Ms. Holloway off. In other words, Judge Wit ignored testimony by a key suspect to obstruct the collection of evidence from the suspect’s residence.
Joran was arrested twice and his father was arrested once in the first month of the investigation. The main residence of the Van der Sloot home was never searched after either of these arrests.
Beth Twitty
withMartha MacCallum FOX NEWS LIVE DESK- Nov. 28/06
BETH: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we don’t have any evidence and that’s what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It’s because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Montanja 19 the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot high ranking employee of the Justice Office Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we don’t have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.
Judge Wit did this knowing that Joran had given statements that he was in the main house the night and morning Natalee Holloway went missing, and there may have been evidence to be obtained within. Judge Wit was assisted by Ben Vocking, a high ranking official in the Aruba Prosecutor’s office who had taken a leave of absence to take care of his friend Paulus van der Sloot during his “time of need.”
PETER DEVRIES
WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN (FOX NEWS) November 27, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know–including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?
DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family Van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.” So, the gardens, the buildings–everything. But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office–it was Mr. Bob Witt–reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran–and that was very strange.
PETER DEVRIES
THE ROBERT JENSEN SHOW (HOLLAND) November 28, 2006
DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge – Bob Wit – who was at the house as well said only Joran’s room could be searched.
These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totaly astonished about. Justice Department official Ben King, who later admitted to the media that he was a close friend of Paulus Van der Sloot, claimed he was on vacation and therefore not acting on behalf of the Justice department. It was King who personally informed the search team they could only search the small apartment of Joran Van Der Sloot, located in the back yard of the property just behind the main residence, when they arrived.
Also present at the Van Der Sloot residence was Dutch Judge Bob Witt from Curacao, who was one judge presiding over the case. It should be noted that Paulus Van der Sloot was a Dutch judge-in-training at the time of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.
By limiting the search of the van der Sloot residence and property, Judge Wit obstructed justice by inhibiting the collecting of evidence and should be removed from the bench, and charged with this crime, before he causes even more damage within the Dutch judicial system.
We will also note here that two innocent black security guards were arrested for the crime four days before Joran was detained. The judge did not limit the search when they were paraded before the media while the Prosecutor and Police ransacked their full residences. The two guards were later released but not before the Dutch judge had made sure their lives were made miserable.
How ironic that the Dutch judges had no consideration for two black security guards who were arrested for a crime they had nothing to do with, and yet had time to block the search of a fellow white Dutch compatriot whose son, Joran van der Sloot, is still to this day the main suspect in the disappearance and murder of Natalee Holloway.
Let’s accept one thing about Joran. He may be big, he may have a good line of crap, he may be imposing to small impressionable females,……but if this guy needs drugs to “score” with the ladies, well, then he’s just not all that and has issues to be laughed at.
one thing that struck me in the de Vries tapes was that Joran says to patrick “Ze zag er zo lief uit” (She looked so nice/sweet) He says this after he concluded because of great medical knowlege (sarcasm intended) that she was dead
Was this remorse? Or does this tie in with his earlier statement of: why does this have to happen to ME.
In other words is he saying: She looked like an easy target and now look what she does to me
I am not a psychologist but maybe some of you are any ideas?
Wonder if Paulus has been wearing Joran’s missing tennis shoes all this time…
Google Narcissistic Rage and you have Joran. I bet Natalee resisted Joran sexually once she realized what was going on and Joran became violent. I am sure he was intoxicated too which brings out aggression which he doesn’t need, i.e. throwing wine at Peter’s face! If he tried to choke her, she could have foamed at the mouth and began shaking from the trauma. Right, Joran, this all makes sense, but not the innocent way you told the story!
lol Mr Devries is the villian? too funny.. He don’t appear to be too worried as he is appearingon Larry King Live tomorrow night with Beth.
I think we are just tuning in for the next chapter of ” The UnTold Story of Aruba, Death by a Thousand Cuts” .. This is so pathetic. I am sorry for the good people of Aruba, but come on. The people living there have to be saying enough is enough watching the Kalpoes, the police, the AHATA, Croes, Renfro, 20 lawyers,and the Sloots. Get out in the street and demand better.
This “guy” Joran is an accident waiting to happen. You know it’s something when the high price attorneys get involved..
Joran is such a dirt bag. I read this article where he alluded to the possibility of him having to leave Holland because of all the negative press. I suggest Joran move to Zambia and feed his drug habit by indulging in Jenkem…it’s very popular in Lusaka Zambia and perfect for Joran.
It is starting to look like Christmas and Peter R. de Vries is Santa Claus. He is latched onto this case like no other and exposing them on Dutch TV for all their cover ups and obstruction of justice.
These are very happy days for all of us at Scared Monkey who have waited so long in the hopes that Natalee will receive justice.
Is this what Joran was describing about Natalee’s condition on the beach? How did she get this way? Need more of Joran’s details!
What are the symptoms of choking?
The most common signs and symptoms of choking are:
•Increase in the rate of breathing and the pulse
•The breaths get shorter
•The veins of the neck become swollen
•Face, lips, nails, fingers and toes turn blue
•The patient is unable to talk and may have forceful coughing
•The patient may slowly become unconscious and faint
•Froth may appear at the mouth and nostrils
•Fits may occur.
#35 I fully agree.
I even think Scaredmonkeys keep Joran too alert.
If the whole saga would not get any publicity, he would have started talking way earlier. He likes attention and by not giving him any, he will look for it.
With regards to the choking symptoms, I would be guess since they were having some sort of sex, that it could have been forceful oral sex, or Natalee refused any and Joran choked her in narcissistic rage. I doubt drinking unless she had an allergic reaction would constrict the throat enough for her to die in his arms… And he could do CPR with her head back if he cared enough and screamed for help or used his great cell phone!
@69 JB is this a reply to my post? sorry if it was not. I couldnt figure it out from your post
No, just thinking about Joran’s statements and wondering how Natalee would get to the thrashing stage.
My Gosh, I was so shocked watching this, how can he talk about Natalee like that? A whore, the bitch etc. and he didn’t even left one night of sleep??? Maybe he didn’t leave her there or called the ambulance or police because if she indeed was dead, they would find DNA evidence linking him, even if he didn’t have intercourse with her, the french kissing leaves enough DNA evidence to track down a potential perp. So cruel, my God, you know, if he would have told it in great emotional state, for example, if he would have cried while talking about it and say things like, I wish I could’ve done this or that, I’m sorry etc. I would have felt a bit sorry for him for going through this but the disrespect towards Natalee made me sick. I feel bad for Anita and the two brothers, they are victims in this case too, you’ll see, I bed there will be a divorce very quickly when this is over or maybe even within this next year between Anita and Paul. I think this woman is treated like dirt by Paul and Joran (don’t know about the other two) but the way he talks about woman in general says he has no respect whatsoever and in his eyes they are just to fuck with and do what they are told, in what century is he living???
I hope the people that defended him all this time had their eyes opened now!
Oral sex would leave sperm. Sorry for the detail! I know we all know this!! But since Joran made that comment, he may think intercourse is real sex and oral is play sex. (We’ve heard that before!!)
Natalee could have had a seizure from a date-rape drug overdose.
The symptoms were listed in the forum yesterday.
remember after the initial jail house arrest, joran said he thought deepak retunred to the beach with natalee and he thinks natalee rejected him and he killed her; so maybe it was joran on the beach that killed natalee.
Unproven, yet still possible:
Paulus is obviously part of the “old boys clique” in Aruba. No one has a problem with that. As the “dutchies” generally rule the roost over island born”natives”, it’s not all that improbable he and his family get considerations. Also, everyone has some grey event, skeleton, or minor embarassment in their lives, but none that placed a life in danger or resulted in death. At least we hope so. I would not be surprised that Paulus’ path crossed with local or foreign shady characters, criminals, and perhaps drug lords. These people often operate their illicite activities as a well financed and structured business. Supreme sums of monies are transacted.
In my neck of the woods, there are certain streets / areas where you simply don’t go. We recognize why, everyone seems to know about them, and the “who” involved. Names are never spoken or used. That’s the way it is, there are no local issues or problems. As proof, you could sit your grandmother in a chair at 3:30 in the morning in the middle of the street….and never have to worry about her. That’s POWER.
In the beginning (2005) local “friendly officials” had concern that a girl went missing, but events have happened in the past, so it was acknowleged, but little done. Mistake #1 was in assuming Beth Twitty would accept Natalee’s disappearance silently, time would eventually bury the event. Big mistake. Mistake #2 was Paulus’ pulling in favors to cover the event. Mistake #3 was a poorly thought out story line that didn’t float well, and needed to be changed repeatedly. Mistake #4 was that those “grey characters” soon became disenchanted with the whole affair….Aruba was being targeted daily and was being brought under the microscope. Drugs and publicity don’t mix well. Mistake #5 was to reach out to high level Government officials by those “grey characters” who fund elections and satisfying lifestyles.
Later mistakes involved misunderstanding American resolve. That started the snowball’s downhill run. Well it is getting worse daily for Aruba, and if past efforts for economic boycott was not all that effective, just wait…..it’s going to get worse, much worse. Aruba is disgraced globally, short of hanging the guilty in town square, I don’t see an out for them, there is none.
Early in the case, there was mention of other girls that had encounters with Joran. They had tried to file complaints, but were discouraged.
Now that Hans Mos is in charge, and seriously looking for evidence against Joran, could they try again to file complaints? I believe Beth’s attorney in Aruba was working with one of the girls. Could this help turn up the heat on the van der sloots to tell the truth? It would also help reveal to the world that this was not a simple accident – he is a preditor of innocent girls.
for those that missed it last night, here is the link to the Pro-Aruba travel site encouraging americans to visit. It’s a blog so I thought some of you may like to offer this guy your opinions on the matter:
http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2007/02/05/aruba-tourism-the-holloway-effect.htm#gB3
http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2007/02/05/aruba-tourism-the-holloway-effect.htm#gB3
Here’s the article…..
Aruba Tourism: The Holloway Effect
Monday February 5, 2007
U.S. tourism to Aruba may be finally starting to rebound from the downturn experienced in the wake of the Natalee Holloway case. About 9 percent fewer U.S. visitors came to Aruba in 2006, a trend widely attributed to bad press about the disappeance of the Alabama teen during a May 2005 school trip to the island. But visits were up almost 6 percent in November compared to the same month in 2005, despite the fact that the case remains unsolved.
Aruba tourism officials credit a major ad blitz in the U.S. and Latin America for luring visitors back. Americans account for more than 70 percent of tourists visiting Aruba.
Personally, I’m glad to see Aruba on the comeback trail. The Holloway case, tragic though it was, was an isolated incident and could have happened anywhere in the world. Aruba remains a safe and friendly island and certainly deserves the second chance it appears to be getting from U.S. travelers.
NY Travel Show: Feb 29-Mar 2
Jacob K. Javits Convention Center — 655 West 34th Street — New York, NY 10001
Exhibit Floor Dates & Hours:
Friday – 2-5 p.m. expo open to trade professionals only; followed by industry reception on the show floor from 5-7pm
Saturday 10 a.m. – 7 p.m. open to public & trade
Sunday 10 a.m. – 5 p.m. open to public & trade
There is no way that I believe that Natalee died in his arms…this is not a romantic novel…Joran is a criminal…!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s a liar!!!!!He killed her!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting choice of words in the article.
“Aruba is LURING visitors back.”
I guess the local boys are getting horney by now as there are not as many american girls available to drug and rape!
Come back to Aruba! Is it safe now? What has your government done to rid the streets of crime? Oh yeah that’s right…. NOTHING absolutely ZIPPO!
CONFESSIONS you say? 20 hours of tape and 10 confessions? Oh, not enough evidence, I guess.
Judge Wit…. have any comments for would-be tourists on your judicial system?
#55….”Shporta drugged her with GHB, delivered her to LVR and he delivered her to the Arawak King – Obuder. Fun & games.
Holland needs to step in and squash the Lions of Aruba(* One Nightmare Eiland).
It goes higher than Shporta. ”
I think it goes much higher than shporta or his family too. And not just the coverup.
Does anyone remember an arm/hand bone washed up on shore and it was supposed to be sent to the Netherlands for DNA. Never heard anymore about it, and I don’t have the link to the photo.
Oh, your kissing someone and they pass out so you throw them in ocean…..who the hell in their mind would believe that….sex was so bad she died from it….!!!! Your a f’n pimp!!!
Betsy # 81
So Bob Curley wrote that. Do a little research on him, his background, prior employment, who he writes for, what his audience is, and what following he has. Oh, and how much he is paid in $$$ and services to write.
Enuf’ said. About as effective as I would be discussing nuclear fusion.
You have to wonder when Curley typed that “recommendation” for Aruba. Tourism coming back? November was +6% over November 2006? Tourism has declined so far during all of 2007 from the prior year, AHATA is ashamed to publish the numbers. Even American Airlines and others are pissed, it costs big bucks to fuel planes 79% full and less, unlike years ago when people were practically hanging from the wings.
Since the publicity about Aruba’s coverup and Jorans confession was broadcast worldwide this past week or so, you think that’s the very thing Travel agents were hoping would form long lines of American tourists to book travel to Aruba? I think not.
Have you read the desparate ‘for sale’ notices and plumeting time-share prices on the various websites. No one wants them or to go there. Let’s see what numbers are published for February – May 08. Hint: prediction -40% MORE.
#61
Where did you read or hear this? Thanks.
- Natalee, already intoxicated on alcohol, takes Ecstasy
- Natalee goes into convulsions during “heavy petting”
- Natalee becomes unresponsive
- Joran shakes her to try and “wake her up”
- Natalee still unresponsive
- Joran hides Natalee
- Joran makes a phone call
- Joran takes Natalee into the ocean to wait and meet his friend/boat
- Friend arrives, Joran leaves for home
Quite simple and it fits. Best theory of all – especially since this one came from Joran. Throw all the other sick fantasies of rape/kidnap/cannibalism/etc out the window(I know…what a letdown).
btw – people here believe he confessed but they don’t believe the confession? Doesn’t make much sense.
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SM: More likely GHB put in her drink at CnC and while Joran was raping her she passed out and went into a coma. Joran didn’t call 911 because he drugged and raped her. Kalpoes would have been at the very least aware of the drugging of Natalee (klaasend)
81 betsy; I’m not getting on your case but.
There are two, two Americas.
One is the North were the USA is and the Other is South America were Columbia and Venezuela are located. Anything below Mexico is South America.
See how the use siblimation. They throw in the US and then say America and every one assumes its is North America USA.
So my guess is 10% North America 70% South America, leaving 20% from other places.
Natalee OD’d on drugs of her taking and Joran had someone toss her into the sea with Joran not knowing if she was dead or alive. That’s it.
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SM: There is no evidence (except for a PV most likely by a witness paid to lie) that Natalee ever did any drugs willingly. Joran drugs tourist girls and rapes them. This time, something bad happened (klaasend)
So now Aruba says they are suffering because of the boycott? Whoa, you been telling us all long everything was great.
YoYo
If that happened why wouldn’t Joran get her help? That would have been an easy death to prove medically.
More over the big question is…why did the guy with the boat also feel the need to dispose of Natalee? If nothing Joran did was the cause of her convulsions? Doesn’t make sense to me.
They could have left her on the beach, dropped her at the hotel, even at the McDonald’s, but there was a dire need to dispose of her body. why?
His shoes missing, maybe because of an imprint on Natalee.
Even the king dealers will dump someone tthey pumped up with drugs on a hospital door step. But not Joran even though he claims he did nothing.
Sell that bogus story on the corner, cause nobody is buying it here.
Business is suffering in Aruba: ah, that empty feeling,
Empty plane seats
Empty hotel rooms
Empty restaurant tables
Empty jewelry / perfume stores
Empty tourist souvenir shops
Empty casinos
Empty cabs
Empty tour operator vehicles
Empty beaches
Empty low level jobs for the service workers
Empty bank accounts
Empty dinner tables
Empty bellies
Empty hopes it will get better
And while Aruba burns, Minister Oduber is silent, powerless, and emasculated in the world arena. His comments about the victim and lack of empathy towards a grieving mother, places him in the same category as Emperor, Marcus Aurelius. They will all reach the same end in history. In similar fashion both Marcus Aurelius and Oduber merely offered their citizens a useless spectacle. The result will be the same.
#93 – and there’s evidence that Joran drugs and rapes tourist girls??? Please provide a source.
Prior drug use from both Joran and Natalee is a proven fact, Joran drugging and raping tourists is not. We don’t know if she did any while on aruba, but based on prior drug use in AL it is very possible.
Stick with the facts.
yoyo
Proven drug use for Natalee please prove.
I’ll add the boys said they did this at least 20 times
Great news that both Boston and New York have issued permits for the protests. Now it’s time to put up or shut up: anyone in the area, PLEASE be aware that taking part is probably the most important thing that you can do for Natalee … and for other potential victims.
Wouldn’t you know it … the trolls are back, this time blaming deVries. I guess that next they’ll be blaming him for Natalee’s vanishing.
They’ve already blamed the Mountain Brook kids and the Holloway Twitty family, so why not?
Note in that article (#43)saying how Arubans have (so it says) turned against the van der Sloots:
“I think it is very sad for the girl and her mother, but it is maybe worse for us. We are the victims and we have done nothing.”
God almighty, it doesn’t even stop with the van der Sloots! Sure, Arubans, you’re the victims.
You poor helpless people, who sat by while paid thugs held marches to denounce the Holloway Twitty family … who sat by while American volunteers went out to search and labored in the waters, on the beaches, and in the dump … who cashed in on American tourists but let your government malign the family of a missing one.
Guess what? You can kiss your tourism good-by.
The name of your island has become a by-word for lies, deceit, evasion, injustice, and cover-up.
Hope you like it … because that’s what you’ve earned. Let Karma take its course.
Hey yoyo; you break your own advice into pieces:
“Prior drug use from both Joran and Natalee is a proven fact”. Your words- “proven fact”.
“We don’t know if she did any while on aruba, but based on prior drug use in AL it is very possible.” Your words- “very possible”.\
“Stick with the facts.” OK, good advice.
So first it’s a proven fact, a half breath later it dwindles to a very possible. Which is it? Fact or possibility????????? In every corner of the world, a possibility is not a proven fact, but just a 50-50 maybe.
What part of the world are you living in? The reasoning that you described is exactly the same horsecrap and false spin the lieing officials of Aruba has tossed out for their citizens, and all they say is gulp!
YoYo: You are making things up. There is no proof or even allegation (other than from Aruba) that Natalee ever did drugs.
Hans Mos says there is evidence on the boys computers that they chatted about drugging american tourists and taking advantage of them.
Dompig said this was a known MO.
Jacobs told the Holloways that girls drinks were often drugged at CNC and warned the Holloways to watch their own drinks.
Disgusted Mom (#85) … So once again, we’re faced with the question about motive. If the cover-up is as extensive as many of us suspect, involving so many people … WHY did so many Aruban officials choose to ignore, nay, to defy and act against, the obvious course that would both promote justice and end the mystery?
Remember Jug Twitty’s statement at the beginning of the case: all that they wanted was to bring Natalee back home. Aruba then could do whatever it wanted to do.
The answer that I had long suspected now seems to be ruled out … at least by Joran’s testimony, assuming that we believe it. I find it very interesting that as soon as he exculpates the Kalpoes (something that almost nobody here believes), suddenly they get the green light on their suit vs. Dr. Phil.
Money, money, money? Is that it? What chutzpah, and what depravity of character, gave all of these scum visions transforming their crimes into a money pot?
The metaphorical other shoe has yet to drop. Let’s see what comes out of the Dutch searches … and I hope that some officials in the Aruban government are having sleepless nights.
Remember that Oduber said after the Natalee Holloway case was over (he first refused FBI assistance, saying that it would be solved in a week) he planned to review it and see what happened?
Hey, Oduber, if you’re reading this, here’s a suggestion: get van der Straaten back on Aruba and find out why he made the comment about seeing the evidence. Methinks it would be nice to hold him to account.
Who else should be brought back? Please give suggestions.
Well, Joran needs to fess up pretty quick, he’s about to lose his #1 spot on the world’s Most Hated List. Just off the wires…..
VIENNA (Reuters) – Iran is testing an advanced centrifuge at its Natanz nuclear complex, diplomats said on Wednesday, a move that could lead to Tehran enriching uranium much faster and gaining the means to build atom bombs.
Yup, that’s what the world needs right about now…more atom bombs. Oh well.
#98 – Is alcohol a drug? And does the use of that underage get you time in jail in AL?
Yes to both.
anything else?
And why don’t you go ahead and throw in the 3 questions/answers before the “20 x” and the 3 questions/answers after to put it in context. Fair, no? Bet you won’t.
and in regards to #95, if you say what Joran said is all a pack of lies then it’s back to square one. I, along with Mr Mos and Beth Twitty, believe Jorans sick tale.
Remember, as you say he’s a 17yr old sociopath/psychopath. Why would he get help – he’s all f-uped in the head right? Or are you going to back off that now to support your “a normal person would’ve got her help so he’s lying” mantra since you and all the others here say he’s the opposite of normal? How can you possibly reconcile that in your mind? You want it both ways I see.
do you know what “rollin’” is?
Another thing about the Aruba article posted in #43 … it says that thousands of Aruban civil servants were given two days off.
An AP article said that only a few hundred of them actually showed up to take part in the search, that they were there only for an afternoon, and that they concentrated their efforts in St. Nicolas, at the opposite end of the island from where Natalee was last seen.
NUMBER 55 SAORISE, WHY DONT YOU STATE WHO AND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON,WHY NOT GET WITNESS PROTECTION AND GIVE DETAILS?ARE YOU INVOLVED WITH THOSE IN ARUBA OR ARE YOU IN ARUBA?? YOU SEEM TO KNOW AND TO WANT TO HELP
The Monster of Montanya (Shporta) named Daury of dumping Nat in the ocean. But on the secret tapes, he stated that the person that did it – he had known them since he was five years old!
Daury claimed that he had only known The Monster of Montanya for several years.
King and Wit are guilty of Obstruction of Justice. Possibly even greater criminal acts. They should be arrested, tried, imprisoned and disbarred.
The Elder Monster of Montanya is guilty of Obstruction of Justice at the least. Most likely even guilty of more ominous crimes. He should be arrested, tried, imprisoned and disbarred.
Anita van der Sow should consider Weight Watchers… and only eat half a single serving. Anita van der Sow, there are children starving in the world. Do them a favor. BTW Mrs van der Sow, what do you think of Shporta now? What do you think of the “sports” that Shporta plays?
To the Monster of Montanya The Younger, get some medical assistance for that glaucoma. Poor Shporta, must seek street medication because of the failing health care system.
YoYo: alcohol is not a drug that causes one to have “seizures”. Yes, in America you are allowed as a parent to give your child limited alcohol without it being illegal.
YoYo: You’ve been here defending Joran for 3 years. Don’t you think it’s about time to give it up?
How could he not be a sociopath when he himself admits that he lies all the time? When you hear what he says on that tape about Natalee, how could he not be a sociopath? Do you know people who talk about other people that way? As if they simply couldn’t care less, dead or alive, just get rid of her? Why call her a whore? Just assuming for a minute (and I don’t believe it) that Joran is telling the truth and Natalee did want to have sex? Did Natalee do something Joran didn’t do? So what’s the male equivalently of a whore?
Natalee has no history of being promiscuous. In fact her own medical doctor says she was a virgin at a recent check-up before she left for Aruba. Now why on earth, even if she “fancied” Joran as Joran reports her friend supposedly said, would she decide to give her virginity (which she protected for 18 years) to a kid she met a mere 2.5 hours previously?
Don’t argue because Natalee had been drinking because as you mentioned, Natalee had drinks in AL and she wasn’t having sex with boys. According to other reports, Natalee drank all week in Aruba – she didn’t have sex with anyone else. Why Joran?
BTW, why don’t you judge Joran with the same brush? Joran was 17 years old, illegal to drink or gamble in Aruba especially in public, buying 151 Barcardi. He was also out at CNC against his parents’ permission. He was known to pick up American Tourist Girls. Deepak said he kept a log of his conquests in a little notebook. Mos says there were chat conversations on their computers about what they did to American Tourist girls.
Sorry, I have no clue what you are saying here: “throw in the 3 questions/answers before the “20 x” and the 3 questions/answers after to put it in context”
But the bottom line is that you have now been proven wrong and duped by Joran for 3 years. You’ve said all sorts of things about those who always contended that Joran was guilty. Now even you the YoYo know he’s guilty and you can’t give up defending him. Why?
Bob says: So first it’s a proven fact, a half breath later it dwindles to a very possible. Which is it? Fact or possibility?????????
Bob, let me help you out:
“Prior drug use from both Joran and Natalee is a proven fact” (Natalee drinking alcohol(a drug) underage(which makes it an illegal drug for her) is shown on pictures I’m sure you’ve seen. Joran admitted to smoking pot (I’ll take his word. But I bet you do too) so I guess is essence you’re right. Natalee proven, Joran not.
“We don’t know if she did any while on aruba, but based on prior drug use in AL it is very possible.” (and you would not not be possible? Natalee was willing to risk jail time in AL to consume a drug, why would that be impossible to fathom on Aruba? 50/50 she took a x on aruba is fair – i’ll give you that.
“On Aruba”….
Your #103 – whoaaaa….and agree with the first sentence as well.
imo, the real question now is – who’s the dude that helped him? Equally as culpable imo.
thanks saorise. who is left that has the power and the willingness to do what is necessary for justice???
DEETCH, THANKS FOR ANSWERING A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ALSO. SAORISE, SORRY I DIDNT KNOW WHO YOU WERE REFERRING TO INITIALLY. THANKS FOR THE INFO
Richard,
Jan van der straaten called it murder, he saw the evidence. This when the guards were in jail.
When Joran was arrested, it was a “mystery.”
The Aruba Dirty Police;
van der straaten
jannsen
Jacobs
If Natalee died in Joran’s arms, it is because she was trying to fight him off. No other way she would be in his arms.
JE, I also think that Joran was being sarcastic. “She looked so nice….” “This is so stupid.” Same mentality. It should have been easy for him and without consequence for him. It’s all about him.
justice for natalee
boycott aruba
molly in houston
When all of this is ‘over’, I still wouldn’t go to Aruba. I seriously doubt that the government there will have learned their lesson.
boycott aruba forever
just forget that place
molly in houston
Deetch on February 7th, 2008 12:01 am
Richard,
Jan van der straaten called it murder, he saw the evidence. This when the guards were in jail.
When Joran was arrested, it was a “mystery.”
The Aruba Dirty Police;
van der straaten
jannsen
Jacobs
NO DOUBT THIS WHERE IT BEGAN AND SHOULD BE WHERE IT ENDS!!
YOYOYOYOHO: I HAVE A DONKEY THAT SOUNDS JUST LIKE YOU WHEN HE FARTS. YOU TALK FROM YOUR A$$ WHICH IS EVIDENTLY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
YOUR INFORMATION IS WORTHLESS WHILE YOU HIDE BEHIND A STUPID NAME. I CONSIDER YOU A COWARD JUST LIKE YOUR SLOOT FRIENDS.
Muffin top.
The part of the fat belly that sags and hangs over the belt line. Kind of like a bootydo…when your stomach sticks out farther than your booty do. Most deem that as disgusting. Wear a body slimmer in public.
Name calling time huh?
Super Dave – I’m a coward because…..I don’t use a “real” name…like “Super Dave”? Too funny.
Katablog says: “YoYo: alcohol is not a drug that causes one to have “seizures”. Yes, in America you are allowed as a parent to give your child limited alcohol without it being illegal.”
That’s 100% wrong – check the laws in each state before you post something you know nothing about.
And what don’t you understand about placing something in context?
And the sex stuff – how could you possibly know any of that? And why would you bring it up – I didn’t. Heavy petting isn’t sex.
The truth has come out – it just doesn’t fit what you thought it was. I can accept it, why can’t you?
It was said above that Natalee was a “minor,” and therefore was consuming an “illegal drug” in drinking alcohol.
For those unfamiliar with the basic facts, Natalee was 18 … and therefore, according to Aruban law, allowed to drink alcohol.
Joran, on the night that Natalee vanished, was 17. That means he was not legally allowed to drink alcohol … or, for that matter, to gamble or be in casinos.
Yet he did both, as well as gamble, in the presence of his father.
As for van der Straaten, I agree … Aruba ought to bring him back for questioning. If it won’t, as is most likely, maybe the Dutch can prompt Curacao to tell him “speak up … or else.”
Curacao, of course, is where Amy Bradley disappeared. Interested, van der Straaten?
YOYOYOYOHO: MY NAME IS DAVE. WHAT’S YOUR’S? YO OR HO ? WHAT TRUTH ? HE SAID HE WAS LYING. WHAT’S IT GOING TO BE YOHO? YOUR NAME, THE TRUTH, ANOTHER LIE, OR MORE OF YOUR USELESS BS? WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR BS SESSIONS SO WE CAN ALL GET A GOOD LAUGH AT SOME REAL IGNORANCE.
COME ON , I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT MORE IGNORANCE IN YOU.
“It was said above that Natalee was a “minor,” and therefore was consuming an “illegal drug” in drinking alcohol.”
In the USA, she was. You’ve seen the pictures, we have all seen the pictures. Are you denying
she consumed a drug illegally while she lived in AL, which is precisely what I said?
And Superdave – you say your name is “Dave”? That’s pretty funny – did you have it legally changed to just “Dave” or were you named just “Dave” when you were born. Lol.
Please sign the petition to boycott Aruba.
http://www.petitiononline.com/holloway/petition.html
Tonight I was reading about the fact the Twitty’s were asked if Natalee had ever had seizures before back at the time of Natalee’s disappearance. Plus, I read tonight that it is speculated that Joran made a confession back in 2005 talking about Natalee and a seizure.
Well, if this is true, why wasn’t the confession exposed?
Was he prodded to lie?? I think if adults told him to lie, it’s no wonder he is so mixed up with the truth. If he has already made a confession———he did tell the truth once!
Did no one care? I imagine a seventeen year old boy would listen to adults to save his hide. One should give him credit for his confession, if he did so make one in 2005.
It sure seems like the plot has thickened….