Joran Van Der Sloot on the Hot Seat … Meeting with Investigators Thursday in the Netherlands … Tacopina Says Lies


According to reports, Joran Van der Sloot will be meeting with investigation in JVDS_Captionthe Netherlands in wake of the revelations from the secretly recorded Peter R DeVries video tape. Joran Van der Sloots attorney states that Joran was lying on the video tapes and it was not an admission.

Van der Sloot later said the statements were lies, and on Monday, Tacopina said the video contains “no admission of a crime.”

Maybe Joe Tacopina, the high priced mouth piece out of NY City, would like to explain the following set of circumstances that all but show that Joran was telling the truth on the video tape. Joe Tacopina, how can your client can be lying on a tape if nearly 2 years and 8 months earlier the police were asking Beth and Jug about whether Natalee Holloway has a history of seizures? At the time Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty did not understand why the ALE were asking such questions. Then in the De Vries recorded tapes Joran Van der Sloot makes the very comments that she started shaking and became unresponsive. Where did the ALE get the notion to ask seizure questions in the first place to Jug and Beth?


Its not like Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty is making  this up in the wake of seeing the de Vries video. Jug Twitty made the same comment nearly 2 months ago on Scared Monkeys radio with Dana on December 20, 2007. This was long before any de Vries tape came out or was known of.

So Joe Tacopina explain how someone can be lying when they are saying something that only a person who was present when Natalee died. How else did the police know to ask such a question if there was not an admission or confession by Joran in the first 24-48 hours. Of course that brings up another issue of police corruption in the investigation of Natalee Holloway as they obviously did nothing with Joran’s earlier admission except arrest two black security guards.

(CNN) – Joran van der Sloot is meeting with investigators Thursday in the Netherlands in response to the recently released videotape in the Natalee Holloway case, his U.S.-based attorney said.

The exact location of that meeting was not disclosed, but van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, said his client has “agreed to answer any questions.”

In the video that aired Sunday on Dutch television, van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway, told a man he was with the Alabama teen on an Aruban beach when she apparently died and that a friend of his with a boat disposed of Holloway’s body.

Van der Sloot later said the statements were lies, and on Monday, Tacopina said the video contains “no admission of a crime.”

The lawyer said facts in the case contradict two assertions van der Sloot made in the video, including that the boat-owner friend mentioned wasn’t in Aruba in May 2005.

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    60 Responses to “Joran Van Der Sloot on the Hot Seat … Meeting with Investigators Thursday in the Netherlands … Tacopina Says Lies”

    1. Sherry on February 7th, 2008 9:32 pm

      Poor Joran fears for his life. Actually I hope no one kills the guy…just cuts his testicles off with fishing line and throws them in the ocean.

    2. Saoirse on February 7th, 2008 9:49 pm

      Monster of Montanya.

      Doe de wereld een gunst, zelfmoord begaat.

    3. Steve Holloway on February 7th, 2008 9:55 pm

      Does anyone know if joran was a friend named (Santo)?

    4. Ron on February 7th, 2008 10:13 pm

      That’s unfair. The blame the black guys story was the first out of Joran’s or the Kalpoes’ mouths. Police knowledge of seizures surely came later when people began to talk. The Kalpoes’ or others may have told police Joran mentioned seizures. Joran may have told that to the police himself when grilled. The latter makes all the more creepy later when Joran went on TV and said he left Natalee on the beach sleeping.

    5. Bob on February 7th, 2008 10:24 pm

      Yo, joran

      You’re about to lose Don Taco as your mouthpiece. He is going to have a lot of work defending about 100 or so Gambino capos and corner boys that were rounded up today. No problem, we got a new suit for ya…Levine is his name. Not too bad either, he manages to win 14 of 100 cases. You are going to be charged with jay walking right? That’s his specialty. What a lucky kid.

    6. mdw on February 7th, 2008 10:27 pm

      The guy he would not mention was Koen, used the speed boat to take her out to sea. He was the one who ran GHB through island, hence the reason he moved shortly after.

    7. JC on February 7th, 2008 10:33 pm

      I just saw the Larry King piece, and what grabbed my attention was Joe Tacopina’s private investigator – didn’t catch his name but the one who looked like an overfed hamster – talk about how he had been successfully rebuilding Joran’s credibility over the past two years. Can someone please tell me what credibility he was referring to?

    8. dennisintn on February 7th, 2008 10:37 pm

      #5, lol, are your sure taco isn’t one of the 80 people arrested?

    9. Richard on February 7th, 2008 11:06 pm

      I got an e-mail today from someone who told me that Joran didn’t in fact show up for this meeting, apparently because some Aruban lawyers said they weren’t ready and asked for a delay.

      Anyone know if this is the truth?

      Meanwhile, here’s an article/video in which Peter deVries says he’s convinced that Joran’s story was indeed the truth, and that all we have to do now is find out who ‘Daury’ was.

      Exclusive: Man Behind the Van der Sloot Tapes

    10. florabama on February 7th, 2008 11:19 pm

      Some of this info on Koen sounds like Daury…and the one from Shango with the tight alibi. It has to be Koen and Daddy Paulus is guilty too.

    11. LilPuma on February 7th, 2008 11:20 pm

      7. JC. Don’t know about the credibility, but Joe was hired to polish Joran’s tarnished rep and sue all those who imprisoned him and called him a sociopath, liar, rapist and murderer. The investigator’s name is Les Levine. I wonder what he’s been investigating. Maybe making sure no witnesses come forward?

    12. molly in houston on February 7th, 2008 11:37 pm

      ‘Daury’?? Paulus is your perp. I believe I am quoting minnesota dad. Paulus is your perp.

      boycott aruba forever
      molly in houston

    13. Richard on February 7th, 2008 11:41 pm

      JC (#7) … I guess they must have been referring to his credibility on Aruba. In some circles, anyway, as with the barflies at C&Cs.

    14. Betty on February 7th, 2008 11:59 pm

      Maybe this sight will give some answers.

    15. Saoirse on February 8th, 2008 12:15 am

      #3 Steve Holloway

      There is a pic of Santos with the Monster of Montanya and other pimps.

    16. Saoirse on February 8th, 2008 12:40 am

      The corrupt J Mansur.

      He stated that his reporters were following Nat in a car to Sout America… riding over the ocean waves!

      SM: Jossy has been one of the few in Aruba to be helpful. It was one of his reporters that was following what turned out to be a false lead. (klaasend)

    17. Deetch on February 8th, 2008 12:59 am

      Breaking News on CNN:

      Oranjstaad: Aruban judge Rik Smid has determined that videotape evidence of Joran van der sloot cannot be used in legal proceedings. Smid states that the camera manufacturer is not an approved brand under Aruban Law. Also stated was the fact that the person in the car with Joran was not Dutch.
      Hans Mos apparently “disappointed” at the decision.

    18. Saoirse on February 8th, 2008 1:03 am

      Maybe true Klassend.

      But must we sell our souls to the Devil or answers?

      “He latched onto the Holloway case because of an ongoing feud with Oduber.”

      So, his motives are not pure.

      He is just another politician. A politician with a newspaper.
      SM: This is old news to us. You guys must be getting despirate. It’s not about Jossy you know, it’s about Natalee Holloway. (klaasend)

    19. moldy on February 8th, 2008 1:44 am

      I have to agree with Ron on 4. regarding the timing. We don’t know when the ALE found out about seizures. We also don’t know if it was in a confession or if it was mentioned by one of the suspects in some other context.

      SM: Do we know when this was brought up by ALE?

    20. moldy on February 8th, 2008 3:29 am

      I have to agree with Ron on post 4. We really don’t know much about the timing and the circumstances of the seizure question by the ALE.

      I wouldn’t bet against a coverup, but this point doesn’t seem to be the smoking gun.

      Unless there is something I am missing?

    21. Wang cares on February 8th, 2008 4:11 am

      Perhaps ALE asked that question about the seizures because it is a logical question to ask and it has nothing to do with the tape….

      Especially, if one of the lines of investigation was that Natalee had had an accident.

      Makes sense to me!
      SM: No it does not make sense especially when seeing how ridiculous the investigation was handled.

      Matlock would have asked the question, maybe … not these morons.

      They would have to had known the key word “seizure” was initially used.


    22. Sherry on February 8th, 2008 4:13 am

      just curious…did Joran have a car? He seemed to always be the ‘man about town’ but I never heard if he had a car. If not how did he get so many places?

    23. moldy on February 8th, 2008 4:42 am

      … it does seem suspicious though. No denying that.

      But what bugs me is – if the ALE did know about the seizures, why would they ask? what possible gain would they get by asking Holloway’s parents?

    24. suisse71 on February 8th, 2008 4:58 am

      Richard 222,

      [Sorry, I am reposting this here as it seems you may not have seen it yet on the last post:

      Aruban Police Corruption … Why Would ALE Have Asked Questions of Natalee & Epilepsy to Jug and Beth Holloway in first 48 Hours?]

      Excuse I could not get this to you sooner. [And Katablog 214 hope this is helpful for you too since you mentioned you didn’t get a chance to see it + Katablog 157 exactly! and other damning evidence which compelled him/Daddy & Co. to dispose of the body & ALWAYS steer the truth away from the truth. ]

      IMO, Devries is brilliant. You have to watch him on air, these transcripts do not do him justice. For those of us who have been following the case from the get go, you will really get it when he says things like “But he [Daury] is NOT the guy who is mentioned by Joran” or “And well his father, I have some special thoughts about him” or “Well Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge [in training] at that time so that is a sin.”

      Imo, many have some special thoughts about Paulus, I mean Daury too…

      I hope you saw Devries on Larry King and Nancy Grace tonight as well, because he is superb. No wonder pathetic Joran freaked by throwing wine in his face, Devries knew exactly which buttons to push. Devries is fierce in my book. There is no doubt in my mind, if the Devries footage had not aired for the world to see, it would have been “swept under the carpet of corruption” like all the other damning confessions/statements/evidence as well as the actions of the Higher Powers.

      On Greta tonight:

      Watch the beginning, it’s very informative etc. I’d love to see Taco Joe go up against Devries. He covers pretty much anything Taco might attempt to throw out in defense. But why would Taco want egg on his face when he had that buffoon Les Levine “Joran’s Private Investigator” speak on Taco’s behalf on CNN Larry King tonight? That was hilarious. Beth and Devries were spot on.

      GRETA: “….There’s a lot of rumors coming out of Aruba, you can imagine. We had Daury Rodriguez on last night who was the person who was actually identified on your tapes, but now there is a suggestion there might be another Daury. Do you know if there’s another Daury?”

      DEVRIES: “Yeah, Daury Rodriguez is not the guy mentioned by Joran. It is another guy. It’s in the news, I know that. [Shows images of Daury Rodriquez – same guy interviewed by Greta and was also on 20/20] But he is not the guy who is mentioned by Joran.”

      GRETA: “Alright, where is this other guy who is mentioned by Joran who helped according to Joran helped dispose of the body?”

      DEVRIES: “Well, we don’t know. The police investigators are looking for him, but I am not quite sure if ‘Daury’ is really Joran’s helper because the first day when he was talking about his helper Joran said ‘I will never ever mention his name, I will take that into my grave.’ Then the next day, when our man Patrick was pushing a little bit on that and telling him ‘Well, who was it? You can trust me.’ Then he mentions the name Daury, but I think he is protecting somebody else.”

      GRETA: “Alright and do you know who that somebody else is? I mean do you have any besides any sort of a gut reaction do you have anything independent to suggest who it might really be?”

      DEVRIES: “Well, that’s hard to say, then I am starting speculating. And well, I might not do that.”

      BREAK –

      Then Greta goes on about an em from Julia Renfro asks this question ….”How did you know Joran was lying when others were inclined to believe him ……..” Etc…..

      DEVRIES: “ ……I have been doing some investigation on the spot in Aruba. I read the files and I spoke to people who were involved, and well I am an experienced crime reporter and almost from the beginning I didn’t believe his story and there were some established lies, about Natalee dropping at the Holiday Inn Hotel, the way he came home, the story about his shoes. It was too much to believe.”

      GRETA: “Do you think, a lot of viewers send me emails, I have a blog here gretawire, and they send a lot of comments, very suspicious that Paulus van der Sloot has more of an involvement that simply just the father of the man that’s caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus van der Sloot?”

      DEVRIES: “Well Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge [in training] at that time so that is a sin.”

      BREAK –

      GRETA: “ Pieter I want to focus now on the guy who supposedly assisted in tossing the body off the boat. What efforts are being made if you know by the police to locate him?”

      DEVRIES: “Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. And that’s what I understood. And there are looking for this guy. Who ever it may be?”

      GRETA: “Now do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?”

      DEVRIES: “Yeah, I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos the head prosecutor and I am confident, quite confident, they will solve this case, finally.”

      Greta and Devries talk more and about Hans Mos was happy and the police commissioner Dolf Richardson and when he was looking at the tape he asked can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for, etc.

      Then Greta asks about an arrest and that the judge turned them down and it’s now on appeal. Have any more information on that? Etc. And Pieter responds about that what I know is that Joran made a statement to the police investigators today, I don’t know what he said, but there was a statement. That’s a great development because until now Joran refused to talk to the police and didn’t say a word, so now he is talking and “Let’s hope he is answering all the questions.”

      Then Greta asks about what prompted Joran to toss that wine in Pieter’s face. Pieter explains Joran was frustrated by Peiter, he was asking questions all the time and I was telling the audience that Joran lied several times, that he could not answer simple questions, and that he was always keeping silent to the police.
      And well that frustrated him.

      Then Greta asks if he had the under cover operation completed at that time and Devries explains it was still running at that moment. Then she asks a about Anita and Paulus being present, etc….

      GRETA: “Did Joran’s parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?”

      DEVRIES: “After the show they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother, she loves her son, but she does not know what her son is doing I think. And well his father, I have some special thoughts about him”

      GRETA: “Well I hope you come back Pieter as you develop more information on those special thoughts……”

      J 4 N!!!

    25. suisse71 on February 8th, 2008 5:02 am

      Deetch 17,

      What???? !!!!!

      J 4 N !!!

    26. suisse71 on February 8th, 2008 5:46 am

      Spare us the ‘Rescue Meeeee” pity party Paulus & Anita & Joran.
      Many of us have some special thoughts for Paulus/Higher Powers

      And Taco Joe’s “Joran’s private investigator” LES LEVINE, on CNN Larry King tonight

      LEVINE: “…..There is no truth to his confession [on the Devries tapes]…..”

      And as SM just said, Tacopina says the video contains no admission of a crime.

      Well, Joran or Taco Joe & Co. explain the history of seizure/epilepsy comments coming full circle then.

      BETH: “….. I had a stunning revelation in the tapes of Patrick and Joran when Joran was imitating how Natalee was suffering through the seizures…..Well, Larry w/ in 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance in Aruba, a lead detective Dennis Jacobs, first and only medical question he asked me was does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said no [of course not] Why would you ask that? From there forward three other detectives asked Jug the same question about a dozen times……Why do you keep asking all of us that? It came full circle for us”

      DEVRIES: “….Well, he [LES LEVINE] he said that Joran only told our guy Patrick what he wanted to hear. But how did Joran for heavens sake know what Patrick wanted to hear? Did he whisper that in his ears, did he write him a letter about it? That’s NONSENSE I think. And the other was he told that he might try to impress Patrick, but frankly I don’t think anyone in the world will be impressed by a story like this because it is a HORRIFYING story….”

      J 4 N!!

    27. brie on February 8th, 2008 6:39 am

      What is Rick Smid doing involved in the case again….he is a personal friend of Paulus…the Dutch need to find another judge, unknown to Paulus. Smid is one of powers to be…Peter needs to investigate him…just let the Dutch extradite Joran to the US…we’ll get the job done…this is just even more damage to the decent people of Aruba…

      Paulus and Anita are worried about Joran’s mental heath….should of been concerned about that long, long ago…there is no way you turn back the clock on this one…

    28. brie on February 8th, 2008 7:14 am

      Sloot’s were not concerned about Joran’s mental health when:

      He beats up his younger brother

      Bullies all the younger boys in school

      Had an uncontrollable temper since childhood…ask Freddy Maduro, prison warden, he knows

      Threw a man off the Natural Bridge

      Killed his dog

      Steals from tourists

      Breaks car windshields

      Drugs American young girls the last night on Aruba

      Gambles underage

      Drinks underage

      Threw a brick into the window of his house

      Had to give a settlement to someone he assaulted at the HI

      Habitual liar

      Always fighting with the Mountain Brooke boys

      Threw wine into Peter’s face

    29. brie on February 8th, 2008 7:16 am

      Another one for list:

      Started a fight in jail with an inmate, got a black-eye and had to be restrained

    30. brie on February 8th, 2008 7:19 am

      Another one for the list:

      Threaten a girl, his neighbor in Arnheim…she called the police and pressed charges

    31. Diane on February 8th, 2008 7:32 am

      No need for Taco to reply to these text messages, I seriously doubt he can add the sum of the two numbers because he is so blind he
      can’t even see his own client’s guilt. Or
      does money speak for him?

    32. MBS on February 8th, 2008 7:33 am

      I think Van Der Stratten probably knew the whole story from the beginning. PVDS would likely have asked his old friend for help, and who better to help then Van Der Stratten? VDS probably instructed the other investigators (Jacobs, etc) to ask about the seizures. The investigators were asking about seizures within 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance, so it had to come from someone involved from the beginning. VDS seems like the most likely candidate. Others may have become involved later on, but I think VDS was involved from the beginning. JMO

    33. brie on February 8th, 2008 7:35 am

      Because of all the corruption with the Aruban authorities, this should only be handled by the Dutch…no decisions made otherwise…why investigate and then turn things over to them, everyone knows what a mess they have made of everything…so why go back for more!!!!

    34. Karel on February 8th, 2008 7:36 am

      Someone had to talk some sense into Beth very long ago! People here sure didnt help!

      My god, she’s making a mess!

      I thought about rape too but isnt’t it the least plausible option if you are true to yourself. 3 guys going away with a girl with all her friends present…. Yes you say, but they used GHB. Trust me, you won’t find a single GHB-rape case in such kind of setting with people involved with an IQ higher than 70.
      Damn, don’t you see that most likely she died from overdose or wrong mixture of drugs, alcohol and prescription medicine! Isn’t Beth’s behaviour the ultimate proof that something like that would have followed these guys forever!? Didn’t they get support for their panic reaction right away by Beth attacking them with gangrape!? Didn’t she eliminate not only for them a way back but also for herself and everyone else a way to look for clues in the right way?
      Isn’t this Peter action and the ultimate stupidity of broadcasting it way too early proof that she’s only damaging proper ways of investigation!? And aren’t you people stupid to support her in that instead of talking sense into her!

      Yes, raise the pressure on Aruba again and reach what!? Damn you people are so stupid!
      If Beth were sane she could have reached something with other investigators willing to go after those boys and Joran at the same time. Now I think she messed it all up.

      BTW, why the hell does she focus on those medicine/illness questions so much!? It’s standard questions!
      I mean, if she were taking anything or have any kind of medical or psychological condition that wouldn’t change the obvious lies Joran and the Bro’s told now would it!?
      Beth is afraid of her medical or psychological condition to come out because it might serve as an explanation for the least horrible scenario.
      Isn’t that weird? She’s got a guilt complex, I’m totally sure! That’s the only thing explaining her stupid behaviour and People like Peter abusing that fact.

      Ow this is sich sick sick.

      Call me Joran like I read before. Damn I don’t care, I start to feel for this guy you know. He’s a victim and all of you are doing nothing to get the truth out, you just want rape rape and gangrape and hate and more victims and conspiracies.



    35. Miss-Underestimated on February 8th, 2008 8:01 am

      The only reason Joran would commit suicide would be that the guys he turned on will now come after him. The house of cards will fall….

    36. Karel on February 8th, 2008 8:09 am

      Whatever SM. I’m totally convinced the truth should come out and it will ultimately be best for everyone. This stupid shit just aint working and I realize now that it’s been the totally sick and dumb American pressure that has killed almost every possibility for ever knowing the truth all along.

      Peter is on your side, good luck with him! If you had spent any time to read on dutch forums you would know that this man only does senstion bullshit and he goes over dead bodies.
      But then again, how could anyone do proper investigation with the many uninvolved Americans like you even supporting Beth in killing her own ways to find answers.
      You’re all just abusing victims! You make me vomit!

      I’m out!

    37. Scott on February 8th, 2008 8:29 am

      Karel – you are a bumbling idiot. My father was a homicide detective in one of the worst crime areas in the United States and questions about seizures and epilepsy are NOT STANDARD homicide investigative questions UNLESS they have evidence to the contrary. The police in Aruba are such idiots that they gave away the smoking gun when Jacobs asked about the seizures. They had evidence of a seizure and it could have only come from one place…THE PERSON WHO ADMITTED ON EVERY SHOW HE’S BEEN ON THAT HE WAS THE LAST PERSON SEEN WITH HER…JORAN….Are to you freakin blind to see that? Maybe you have your head stuck so far up Paulus’ rear that you can’t see it….

      Please quit with the lies and garbage that you spew without a single grain of knowledge of the subject of which you are speaking….you sound more foolish each time you post here. The world KNOWS now and even the VAST MAJORITY of Arubans and Dutch KNOW he is responsible and want him out. He and his family are going to be ostricized (sp?) and it’s already starting.

      Why do Joran’s parents fear for his life? Why would someone who has nothing to hide and did nothing wrong want to kill themselves? There isn’t one single honestly innocent person who would do what he did from the beginning until now under ANY circumstance!

      Get lost…go cry on Anita’s shoulder.

    38. Para2Legal on February 8th, 2008 8:29 am

      #6 – Makes sense to me. If Koen was supplying the island w/GHB and Joran bought some to use for the 21st time, Koen would be the one he called when Natalee seized. I’m thinking Daury is Koen AND Paulus.

    39. nick t on February 8th, 2008 9:08 am

      The fact that a question was originally asked about seizures doesn’t means there was a police cover up or JVS told the same story originally to the authorities. That question was probably one of many questions asked in the course of the investigation. It’s too attenuated for a direct connection therefore it’s speculation at best.

      Don’t get me wrong I want to see this JVS guy fry but to make such assumptions makes me question the intelligence of the people running this site.

    40. gss on February 8th, 2008 9:11 am

      You know that confession tells what he did,but not all of what he did did, I believe that she was given a lethal dose of date rape drug, yes he did it, raped her she died and I believe his daddy the judge helped him,remember they can not tell on each other and the father can not be made to tell anythg he knows that is aruba law,he raped her, killed her,and daay helped get rid of her I believe that,the low life piece of under growth is guilty, aruba I believed covered it all up.

    41. gss on February 8th, 2008 9:17 am

      What would you do if it were your child? Let him ego, write a book and make money off of her death, How could he write a book IF, he had nothing to do with it, as far as Beth I applaud her for seeking justice for her child, as someone said, she has her panties in a wade, someone one better feel for hime he is a sick man, a person that will do what ever to get what HE what and he did,he is a NIGHTMARE for all women

    42. minnesota dad on February 8th, 2008 9:21 am

      34 – to Scared Monkeys/Red….

      They are always from the same locales because they are part of the Aruban crisis management PR team.

      Think about it. Joran is meeting with investigators. You know what is going to come out of it….more lies and denials.

      At the same time, the AHATA PR team once again is put into action in the blogosphere to attempt to “muck things up” as Karel is doing. AHATA is very clear that they will counterpunch bad PR. Karel and others are their counterpunch. Its sad, actually.

      Joran is a very evil person. Paulus is worse. Arrest Paulus and this thing is over.


    43. kayjay on February 8th, 2008 9:32 am

      #34 Sounds like you are the perfect candidate for the old saying ‘IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE’.
      Don’t forget to send your buddy Joran a Valentine.

    44. kayjay on February 8th, 2008 9:35 am

      Good morning Deetch….love your news flashes from Aruba and the Netherlands….please keep them coming.

    45. SUPER DAVE on February 8th, 2008 9:42 am

      i applaud each and every person involved in running this site !

    46. SUPER DAVE on February 8th, 2008 9:48 am

      karel: you’ve been out since day one! maybe your daddy should give you a good ass spanking for your nasty mouth or are you uncontrollable too? you must be a sloot to take so much offense for the truth to come out and to put so much attention on your young friend. or were you involved in this crime and the heat is on you ?

    47. moldy on February 8th, 2008 10:32 am

      21. Wang cares on February 8th, 2008 4:11 am
      Perhaps ALE asked that question about the seizures because it is a logical question to ask and it has nothing to do with the tape….

      Especially, if one of the lines of investigation was that Natalee had had an accident.

      Makes sense to me!
      SM: No it does not make sense especially when seeing how ridiculous the investigation was handled.

      Matlock would have asked the question, maybe … not these morons.

      They would have to had known the key word “seizure” was initially used.
      Moldy: If it was a coverup, and they knew about the seizures, I just don’t see why they would ask. I am also guessing that if there was a coverup, details like that wouldn’t trickle down to the lead detective.

      I think Wang makes a good point. Maybe the ALE has a standard set of questions that they ask in all missing person cases and they were just blindly following it.

      With regards to the specific word ‘seizure’, I’m not sure how knowing/using this specific word confirms a coverup

      I’m not saying there is no coverup. But it seems that more investigation into the seizure thing would be required before you could say for sure.

    48. Richard on February 8th, 2008 10:49 am

      I can see one argument for the ‘legitimacy’ of the question about epilepsy or seizures. If indeed Natalee had such a problem, then she might have been incapacitated or dazed, and have wandered off somewhere else on the island or been stranded somewhere. (It does happen.)

      HOWEVER, the first tale that we heard from J2k was that they brought Natalee back to her hotel.
      And that she had stumbled and hit her head.

      In that case, therefore, even had the ‘seizure’ matter been a legitimate concern, she still would have been at the hotel.

      Nor does this question begin to explain why, after Beth showed the police the security tapes from the hotel … tapes which disproved the story that they brought Natalee back there … these now-proven liars weren’t arrested for yet another week or so.

    49. Diane on February 8th, 2008 11:01 am

      Karel – if you are in Holland why don’t you go hunt down Joran and tell him all this garbage of irrational ideas you come up with. Oh wait, maybe you are Joran in hiding.

    50. Mike on February 8th, 2008 11:40 am


      You keep promising that you are leaving. Well………………hurry up and leave and don’t let the door hit you in the ass………dumbass!!!

    51. Sahara on February 8th, 2008 1:04 pm

      Karel, go back to your Frosted Flakes…

    52. moldy on February 8th, 2008 2:58 pm

      Richard on February 8th, 2008 10:49 am

      I can see one argument for the ‘legitimacy’ of the question about epilepsy or seizures. If indeed Natalee had such a problem, then she might have been incapacitated or dazed, and have wandered off somewhere else on the island or been stranded somewhere. (It does happen.)

      HOWEVER, the first tale that we heard from J2k was that they brought Natalee back to her hotel.
      And that she had stumbled and hit her head.

      In that case, therefore, even had the ’seizure’ matter been a legitimate concern, she still would have been at the hotel.

      Nor does this question begin to explain why, after Beth showed the police the security tapes from the hotel … tapes which disproved the story that they brought Natalee back there … these now-proven liars weren’t arrested for yet another week or so.
      Moldy says: I’m with you. I would think medical problems would be an important line of questions in a missing persons case. I agree too that there are other things that are fishy. The search of the houses being restricted, how long it took them to be arrested, etc. I’m just not sure that we can throw the seizure thing around and shout “proof of corruption” without more info.

    53. SUPER DAVE on February 8th, 2008 4:10 pm

      poor karel ! it just can’t accept the truth so it starts to throw up. probably at both ends and the flies are starting to gather. everybody hold your noses !

    54. Allan on February 8th, 2008 4:43 pm

      Moldy tighten up get your head out of your a@@ and back whee it belongs.

    55. Richard on February 8th, 2008 5:39 pm

      When I posted the comment above, I wasn’t aware that Beth said the question about epilepsy and seizures not only was asked, but was asked again and again and again.

      To Beth, Dave, Jug, and other family members.

      Apparently they conferred with each other and wondered why the same point had to come up so often.

      Perhaps these same police interpellators can at some date be subpoenaed and questioned? Along with van der Straaten, Jacobs, Janssen, Dompig … who on Aruba SHOULDN’T be questioned?

    56. katablog on February 8th, 2008 7:17 pm

      #23 Moldy: The answer is very easy. Joran gave the investigators the same cock and bull story he gave Patrick about Natalee just suddenly dying in his arms – the confession Paulus got retracted. This was June 12, 2005. Now do you see just how much pain and suffering Aruba could have prevented for Dave and Beth?

      #32 Yes, van der Straaten and Paulus (and most probably Deepak) knew the story that Joran told Patrick, though it’s possible that Joran didn’t tell the part of disposing Natalee in the ocean. That’s why the announcement of the confession, that also explains the statements van der Straaten supposedly said to Joran about getting him into a mental hospital. It would appear Paulus talked him into keeping quiet.

      While that would not be justice for Joran, it’s probably what would have actually been best for him if he would have actually accepted the help. This monster has a major problem and his parents’ protection of him has only increased the damage to him. This is not love, this is enabling.

      #34: keep trying but it ain’t working. You want so bad to defend Joran just like his enabling parents. Look up what the affects of alcohol poisoning are – this wasn’t it. Yes, it might have been X instead of Ghb – you’d have to ask Joran what he gave her. As far as Beth, she and Jug held out that indeed whatever happened might have been accidental and begged and pleaded to simply tell her what happened to her daughter and where her body was so that they could just take her home and bury her. Beth clearly stated she just wanted this and then she would go home and let Aruba deal with “justice” as they saw fit. That fell on the van der snots deaf ears. Beth didn’t really “up the pressure” until 3 months later when she left Aruba. After about 5 months is when she first supported the voluntary boycott. Beth, Dave and Jug tried valiantly to work within the Aruba system; it was Aruba who refused to work with them, wouldn’t even return their calls and then started calling Beth and Natalee names.

      It is NOT a standard question to ask ONLY about seizures! Police don’t ask if missing people had seizures. They might ask if they have memory impairment, have run away previously, had a medical condition that would require medication or render them incapacitated, their state of mind etc. Next, why on earth would police ask any medical questions about a MISSING person? Remember, at that time, Aruba’s theory was that Natalee was in a drug house somewhere.

      Also for # 39: But read what Beth and Jug say: they didn’t ask any other medical questions! Beth and Jug revealed early on that Natalee only had one medical condition: asthma. Joran is not a victim; he’s a criminal. Don’t you know the difference?

    57. Sceptic on February 8th, 2008 9:33 pm

      What do Bolingbrook and Aruba have in common? They both have incompetent police department. Just ask van der Sloot and Drew Peterson. You kill someone in those cities and get rid of the body, and the police department will not be at your place gathering evidence until everything has been washed at least 50 times. But, if you are not a killer, stay out of those cities, lest the crime might never be solved if you were killed.

    58. Saoirse on February 8th, 2008 10:39 pm

      Karel is right!

      Asking about seizures in Aruba, in cases of missing young tourists, is a common practice.

      That is because they drug and rape young female tourists on their last night on One Nightmare Eiland!

      Everyone knows this! Even the Fetid Mongrel Arawak King!

      Boycott One Nightmare Eiland.
      Boycott the Nazi Regime of the Netherlands.

      Dick adem!

    59. resolution on February 9th, 2008 5:12 am

      yeah…right..that is a common ? in an Aruba investigation. Perhaps it is because they have “investigated” prior crimes urine has committed. Why else would he say, “why does this always happen to me”? Investigate that!

      GIVE IT A REST, FESS UP ARUBA OFFICIALS! Didn’t urine call you stupid (or something on that order)? Geez…and after all that cover up – there is appreciation for you. AND Ric Smid…RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS CASE! Your judgeship may be in jeopardy.

      Where is that cell phone that was smuggled in? Can records be pulled from it?

      Pvds…how are the sweats going? A whole ocean, no doubt! No pun intended

    60. resolution on February 9th, 2008 5:20 am

      Hmmmm….Why on earth would urine be suicidal when he didn’t lose one bit of sleep over this?

      Why is Urine changing his story from: “I just told him what he wanted to hear” to: “I was high on drugs”? Apparently, alittle TACO advice because Taco was saying that BEFORE the so-called interrogation. (Interrogation…were you fanning urine & feeding him grapes)? If this under cover taping was going on for 6 months was he high each time?

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