RSSBreaking News: Chief Aruban Prosecutor, Hans Mos, Says New Video Evidence Of Natalee Holloway Confession Is Admissable In Court
FOX News is reporting that Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos considers the latest video evidence admissable in court.
The full story is available at FoxNews.Com:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328130,00.html
Update I: Joran van der Sloot is now a formal suspect in the murder of Natalee Holloway according to Dutch news sources.
Het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba verdenkt Joran van der Sloot nu formeel van moord op de verdwenen Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway. Dat liet justitie vanavond weten. Het OM kondigde ook aan dat Joran zal worden gearresteerd als hij voet op Arubaanse bodem zet. Vanavond liet het OM al huiszoekingen doen.
Google translation:
The Public Prosecutor’s Office (OM) on Aruba suspects Joran van der Sloot now formally charged with murder on the American Natalee Holloway disappeared. That did justice this evening. The OM also announced that Joran will be arrested if he sets foot on Aruban soil. Tonight had it for all searches.
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2024995.ece
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They need to shoot that ***sucker. They need
to blow his fn head off. I hope they are walking
single file, so whomever shoots his damn
ass does not waste perfectly good bullets.
This thing is way beyond sick! This freak
a$$ makes Jeffery Dahmer look like Felix Unger
from “The Odd Couple!”
They need to take that little diseased f’r and
his father out into the pumpkin patch & perform
some public service work. (Think of it as a way
of giving back to your community. Much like
the Woodsie the Owl “Give A Hoot, Don’t Pollute”
campaign of the seventies.
http://tinyurl.com/3ar849
-j4n
Let’s hope that he’s right.
Well now we will see. Bring it on Mos. Aruba has stalled this from the get go.
Hey Renfro, how bout some apologies for Beth?
We are all waiting.
An AP story that I have seen says a decision is expected within a week.
Let’s get ready to erupt in case Ric Smit, or whoever, gives Joran another free pass.
If anyone in Aruba sees the vdScum clan in public, please express the appropriate remarks.
Quite seriously, I wonder if Aruba has the vdScum family under surveillance? Maybe the government are hoping they’ll commit suicide and save Aruba a problem … but they don’t have the decency.
SO.. the fabric found(ie: natalees shirt).. is that still being held in evidence?
WHAT ABOUT THAT BONE! the one that washed up on Venezuela or something a few weeks after she went missing and Dumpig quickly dismissed it said it was a donkey bone? it sure as hell looked like a forearm and hand to me! where are those pieces of evidence?
where are they? they can be the corroborating evidence to this sotry.
also, im not so sure it was steve croes who took her out in the water. it was more than likely Paulus, Koen, or sander. or if not Paulus, he or the gotonobos; were the ones who stayed back and created the internet aliby. there was more than just joran involved in this.
bring them all back in. and if the judge says they cant bring joran back in, then start over from the very beginning, and bring van der stratten, dompig, janseen, all of them. bring them all back in for questioning.
what about the scene at the rocks? does this theory mean that site isnt importnant anymore? and the chicago video, where carpe had done such a nice job comparing it to natalees features. i could swear that you could see nat’s eyes through that tarp. there are still so many questions. this water dumping scenario is much more likely than that she was ever in that bin in the chicago video. But i hesitate to take anything that lying POS says at face value. Carpe, what are your thoughts? do you think she was ever in taht bin?
I wonder does the Judge know the eyes of the world are on him?
I can’t stop thinking about the material that was found that looked like Natalee’s top. WHERE IS IT?
#8 Yes, IMO I’m sure he does and he also knows what PVDS knows about him! Only explanation for all these “get out of jail free” cards he keeps giving to the amoral sociopath.
The people of Aruba should march on city hall!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
And yet another major newspaper is reporting that there is a resolution on the floor of the United Nations today for a motion to expel Aruba from the world rooster of friendly nations. Recent developments concerning confessions obtained in the Natalee Holloway murder and disappearance has prompted other free nations to act. Thus far, the only dissenting countries are Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela. Carrie Fischer said that this was no surprise and the measure is expected to pass handily.
In other news, Putin of the former Soviet Union, stated his country supports the evidence presented in the Netherlands on Sunday, and does not understand the thinking of the current Judge of Instruction who is dragging this case along like a cheap black and white film.
On Tuesday, Aruban supporters of the island’s Hotel Maids Local 69 plan to demonstrate in Harbourtown, across from the Crystal Palace casino at noon. There will be a Caribbean Lobster special served at the Paddock restaurant for $12.95, tip included. Supplies from the local Valero refinery in San Nicholas will fuel the obligatory mock lynching of Van Der Sloot and requisite dummy burning. A film crew from FOX NEWS will be on hand to record festivities live. Greta will transmit a live feed at 3pm local time. Still photos will be made possible via her 1947 Kodak Brownie camera and 4 Sylvania Blue-dot flashbulbs located on ebay, South American branch.
More will be reported as it transpires.
#7
I believe it is with all my heart & soul. I can’t
fully explain yet why I see what I see… it
is just there.
Her eye alignment matches perfectly. If the
figure in the #24 Marriott bin is Natalee…
She was:
Hit in her left eye
She has a gash on her left cheek.
& She was shot in the center of the forehead.
The bullet exits out the back of her head, on the
righthand side.
slideshow
http://tinyurl.com/35ex7x
Joran is a formal suspect? Already?
Gee, it’s been only about three years ….
Actually, of course, he was a “formal” suspect before, wasn’t he? Or was there a distinction in nomenclature?
Beth:
It has begun. The HELL Joran’s life will become until the day he dies has begun!!! Your words are will come to pass. He will not enjoy another nights sleep. He is a hunted socipath. He will pay for what he and his friends did to Natalee. My prayer is the Persistence crew will find your Natalee and bring her home. The world is watching Joran will fall for his evil deeds. The world is behind you now Beth. God love you for your bravery, you have to be strong for Natalee and no one but you could have done it better.
We love you, Dave and family.
Justice for Natalee
Carpe:
You are one special guy!
Not a sound from the Persistence since Friday. Something’s brewing.
The translation on the front says that Joran is charged with MURDER. Specifically, murder. I wonder if that is a precise translation? Anyone have any idea?
If it could be proven that Nat were alive when dumped into international waters, is there any way J vds could be charged in the US, where there is a death penalty?
The KLPD is searching the home of joran in the netherlands, computers etc have been seized
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3210367/_Huiszoeking_bij_Joran_in_Arhem__.html?p=9,1
The DA has declared that Joran will be arrested if he sets foor on Aruba, the DA is awaiting the appeal against the judges decision not to issue an warrent for his arrest (so the netherlands can send him to Aruba)
@Richard on February 4th, 2008 2:54 pm
Not correctly translated by google :
“Het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba verdenkt Joran van der Sloot …..”
means
“The prosecutor now formally seens Joran as an suspect to the murder of natalee.”
So not yet charged but again an suspect in the case.
Google translation:
The Public Prosecutor’s Office (OM) on Aruba suspects Joran van der Sloot now formally charged with murder on the American Natalee Holloway disappeared. That did justice this evening. The OM also announced that Joran will be arrested if he sets foot on Aruban soil. Tonight had it for all searches.
Bob’s translation:
“if he sets foot on Aruban soil” ??????? And the likelihood that he gets on plane like a superbowl quarterback heading to Disneyland is what? Anyone ever hear of EXTRADICTION? You know, grab the perp, file a few legal documents, then ship his A$$ back home. He isn’t a student any longer, has no income,is a detriment to society, and will soon be applying for welfare, etc. Holland doesn’t need another unemployed murder suspect mooching free drugs in their casino’s and picking up Dutch girls for sex.
Someone has to wake up.
@Jay on February 4th, 2008 3:20 pm
No, under the human rights law which is ratified by the Netherlands it is not allowed to extradite somebody to an country where he/she would receive the death penalty for the commited crime.
Further, as it does not mather which nationalitie the victem has, it matters on who’s soil the crime was committed
i would bust that little punk in his mouth so hard he would shit teeth for the rest of his short life.
supposedly this little piss pants koen is in the US. he needs to be found and waterboarded. i have a feeling it was his boat used to do the final deed. why hasn’t this kid been followed, questioned, interrogated ? surely it wouldn’t be hard to get some answers from someone who sleeps with mom and pees his pants.
@Bob on February 4th, 2008 3:24 pm
Without an formal warrent for his arrest, the netherlands can not extradite him to Aruba (they are 2 SEPARATE country’s united under the kingdom).
The judge has denied an new arrest warrent but the prosecutor has appealled that decision.
Thank you Kloothommel (#20).
Gee, they’re searching his latest home (with Granny) and his computer … where have we seen this before? In another context, it might almost be comic.
Reminds me of the proverb about shutting the barn door after the horse has fled.
Anyway, let’s hope that something good comes of all this.
someone from Aruba please let us know if the Peter de Vries show is normally broadcast there and they did not broadcast it to protect Joran and Paulus. People will see footage on Oprah, Larry King, GMA etc. They can’t protect the VDS forever. Also, its all over You Tube.
@Richard on February 4th, 2008 3:29 pm
True, but the KLPD is not bound to aruban law this time, he’s on dutch soil now, whole different ball game now.
@Betsy on February 4th, 2008 3:33 pm
Both questions, the answer is no.
SBS6 is not broadcasted over there
Has anyone found out who this Judge is….Is it Smit again? If so can’t the prosecutor request that this judge recluse himself from this case as he appears to be bias and a close friend of the suspect and his family?
The judge has denied an new arrest warrent but the prosecutor has appealled that decision.
…
Which judge denied it? Was it the same flaming
assho that cut these 3 peter pan fairies a half-
dozen times before? WE NEED NAMES ON JUDGES!!!!
This sh is OUT > OF > CONTROL. This thing
is like a Chinese fire drill,
only less organized & not as fun.
-j4n
“ARRESTED IF HE SETS FOOT IN ARUBA”…..how very convenient….they obviously are hoping he won’t or else why warn him!!! Another of their sneaky ploys to try to get rid of the case without having him brought to justice??
If it weren’t so disgusting it would be laughable.
Joran is NOT Telling The Entire Truth
That Is Painfully Obvious
Remember His Early Statements
He Could Not Get Koen On The Phone That Night
Natalee’s Body Was Not Disposed of Until The
Next Day – Count On That
Joran Was Taking Her To The Beach To Dump Her
Just Like All The Others He Drugged With GHB
Only This Time – Things Went Terribly Wrong
The Statement About Someone Telling Him To Attend
School The Next Day – That Is Your Proof That
Joran The Pig Had To Get Paulus Involved That Night – That Is When The Pros Took Over
Let Us Not Forget The Little Meeting At The Racquet Club The Next Day — Guido – Heavy Battery ? What The Hell Does That Mean ?
Well – I Have A Pretty Good Idea…
Carpe – You are 100% correcto – Someone needs to “dispose” of that pig ASAP
kloothommel, thank you for outlining some of the nuances of law interpretations in the netherlands. I still believe most countries in the free world write, base, and defend their laws in a common manner. Laws are meant as a guide to protect rights of the innocent, and proscribe punishments for the guilty. When a law is used to create a shield for suspects to hide behind and obstruct normal investigation to conclude guilt or innocense, then alternate measures should be employed to reach the same ends for which those laws were created. If laws are written or modified as time goes on to protect the privileged few, then they are to the detriment of all cictizens. Aruban law appears to fit this mode and is being demonstrated as a joke.
Still, I am confident that the netherlands will render a just movement towards justice.
The dad was most likely the one who took her out to sea. Who else would do that, and say, “you must go to school”. Wasn’t money withdrawn from an ATM,(boat, gas, etc…). Joran appears to have wanted to pay for this crime, either consciously, or subconsciously, he wanted vindication, for out of his own mouth, he convicts himself. He could have been off the hook, if he had remained quiet.
latest Holloway video / FOX – Shep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjMw20NHqA8
The Chicago photos, the “Natalee fell down story”-did they run over her, beat her to death, after the rape, the top that washed up, the blonde hair on the duct tape, the belt-identical to Joran’s- found in the sand, Joran’s shoes, the photo PVS in the car near the painted rocks, the “lighthouse story”, taking (Dave or Beth) to where “the body” was and then saying oops, no body after all, bones, bones bones, chicken, donkey bones floating everywhere, the crab cage, Kalpooooo middle of the night car cleaning, Paulus in the Casino, so near to dear Natalee, phone calls, computer use, changing timelines (pick-up time Paulus?) Lies, lies, lies, security guards nearly paid for this crime, everywhere lies, and so much more . . . There is so much to this story, it is incredible. Somebody please tell the truth. Where is Natalee’s body? Deepak and Satish, save your souls and tell the truth. Where is Natalee’s body? What did PVS do to her? Who killed her and how? She did not die accidentally. It was murder and murderers burn in hell. You will be haunted in this life and there will be hell for you in the next. Save yourselves.
Joran is on the run. He’s hiding somewhere in Drachten (a little town) but civilians are looking for him they wanna lynch the f*cker. People are stopping every cab to see if he might be in it.
Judging by the resolve, fervor, and instincts of the regular and visiting Monkey mothers & women of SM, I sure wouldn’t want to be Joran, trapped in a room with 2 or 3 of them. I doubt there would be less than a half dozen recognizable pieces left. If that could only happen………
look at these pics. the comment under the second picture:
People in Drachten are hunting down Joran. They are holding up cabs to see if he might escape in one. There are rumours that he’s in this flat.
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2008/02/peiling_bekentenissen_joran_kl.html
here’s the link to the pics
@Bob on February 4th, 2008 3:53 pm
It’s not that easy, whe have an whole different system than the USA.
Where in the USA an (supreme) judge can speak an verdict that could fundamentally change how the constituition is explained and how it works, this is not possible in the Netherlands.
In our constition the rights of an suspect is completly laid down, an judge (and the police) have to obey those rules.
Yes this creates the drawback that an suspect can hide behind his rights, but it also garuantees protection against unjust prosecution against dictator’s etc etc.
An change in our constitution is an very long en difficult political process.
To change the constitution an draft law has to made, this law has to be ratified by both the 1st and 2nd chambers (the parlament) with more than 2/3 of the votes, then general elections have to be held and the draft law has to ratified by the new 1st and 2nd chambers by an 2/3 majority of the votes before the constitution is changed.
An judge is not allowed to quistion the constitition.
On the other hand, an life sentence in the netherlands is really an life sentence and only the queen can pardon the sentence (which will never happen).
#32 NYChiC , I agree with you.. The Kalpoes criminal like behaviour immediately on that night and Joran says they know nothing.. I don’t believe that. Get time lines on the PC, clean the car, make up lies that Natalee put her hands down his pants, lie about who drove to CnC.. D said S and S said D..etc. Also remember one saying they put a porn movie on in the car and Natalee became upset and didn’t like it. Based on their own lies constantly, who could believe what they say they did to her after leaving CnC.
I am not one who usually believes in many conspiracy, corrupt, etc things. However I do believe corruption kept this from being solved months ago. When someone mentioned that material being found that looked like Natalee’s top, that is the only thing I actually believed looked enough like Natalee’s clothing to be it. Sure looks like it. Ditching his shoes walking home 2 miles, part time barefoot, I don’t believe that either. What was the 8 and a half minute phone call that night, that he made to Deepak. Longest ever between the 2 the prosecution said. I also remember Beth stating that this she was investigating this as a sex crime. Why did Satish stay home from school the next day? Why was one of them saying in chat the fact she’s dead isn’t good? Why is one of them at school the next day acting weird, the teacher said, making and receiving lots of calls? Deepak’s car behind the sloots that night, and gone when Beth arrived. Deepak claims he was at work, then a casino. Paulus leading everyone on a wild goose chase away from the house for over an hour instead of telling Joran to come home, cops are here. 1 and 1 just aren’t equaling 2 in this story yet. He keeps getting closer though. He appears to be dying to tell, as if to brag.
Let’s not forget the Kalpoes. Taco,your job just started. Do the smart thing , throw in the towel,you’re toast. How smart was taking on this case anyway. Oh I know. This is how you want to be remembered. You’re no better than the scum you represent.
Due to the fact that Urine van der Slut was stoned when he confessed, it will not be allowed in a court of law, at least that’s what Judge Andrew P. Napolitano on Fox News just said
BOYCOTT A R U B A AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
I wish someone would stick a 45 in his mouth.
You’d be surprised how quickly people are willing
to pitch in and help with a jes wee bit of
coaxing.
….
http://tinyurl.com/2gpamx
We love and support Nat & her family.
This doesn’t change the story much, except this so called Daury Rodriguez has claimed today that he is not involved with the case, and his lawyer has facts which proves he was in Holland at the time. Also heard this Daury give a conference today on the island a few seconds ago.
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SM: Many are speculating Joran just “threw” Daury’s name out there because he didn’t want to say the real persons name. Many believe the real person who helped Joran dispose of Natalee’s body was either Steve Croes or Paul van der Sloot (klaasend)
@Susan on February 4th, 2008 4:21 pm,
It ain’t an real confession either, but it does show he was involved in the dissapearance off natalee, now the police has an reason to investigate him further.
Now they have something they can confront him that he lied during the questioningen and new leads.
Unless the police can come up with some hard evidence that actually an murder was committed, he won’t be convicted for murder, we need to have patience, cuz if they take him to court on this and they can’t get an conviction on murder then due to the double jeopardy issue he’ll never be convited for murder.
ohhh you bet everyone here is thinking the same thing, that Daury was a smoke screen
gekke aap:
thank you for providing the link. The one common thing we can all take comfort in is that all decent peoples of the world abhore anyone who would drug, rape, and cause the murder of an innocent female. Even the most dispicable and hardened criminals in prison have a certain cell of decency. Perhaps because everyone, everywhere was born from a female….yes, the mother connection. Harm one, and you earn the wrath of sons, brothers, and fathers everywhere. Justice will be done, he can count on it.
jorins lawyers: “yorin always tells the truth…except when he lies…trust me..errrr…him….ummmmm ya know.”
#38 Bob
Funny You Should Mention That ?
Now The Pig Is Whining About Death Threats
What A Load of Crap
And It Would Not Take 3 Women Over Here – Just 1
Plus – Just For Kicks – I Would Not Even Waste My Gun on that Cry Baby – There Are Other Torture Methods I Would Prefer To Use On Joran – Starting Out With A Nice Shot Of GHB – Next A Pair of Large Vice Grips…
Beth – You Are Invited To Enjoy The Show
gabriel leo:
try to stay current, catch up. Even that spin is 2 days old. Aruba thinks they can deflect the inevitable disaster that is coming in waves. This time it won’t spin, and get swallowed, even to the local dim-witted.
If it was Steve Croes, Joran probably didn’t even have to call him. Supposedly the Tattoo was docked 300 yards from the Holiday Inn and Croes was the night watchman on it. So he could have just walked there to see him. Maybe they used Joran’s shoes to weigh her body down, putting something heavy in them.
I hope they asked even more detailed questions like ” Who was your dad connected to, to help you get off” There was so much corruption in this case and it would be great if they blew the lid off of that cover…. See them all go down including papa sloot. Wonder what anita says now..
I think in Jorans sick way he left the Kalpoes out of his story on purpose. I think he thought he was impressing his friend that he did it all. It was just him.
Stratten had a huge part in all of this, his godchild, dear friend of Paulus…you can go to a mental institution or prison….I can arrange it…I cannot do this to my friend’s son….thus nothing happened…why isn’t Straaten investigated…in the Netherlands I think this would of been solved long ago…
http://tinyurl.com/2bfrqq
http://tinyurl.com/35nbhg
-j4n
We’re gonna see to
it that they will
NEVER forget about
Natalee Ann Holloway!
Scared Monkeys crew is your worst
f’n nightmare,
huh guys?
http://tinyurl.com/2ob6o8
nychick in TX
That’s what I’ve always liked about NY chicks. They have that swagger, know what they want to express, they know how to kick a$$ and take names. You go girl.
So Joran is only going to be prosecuted IF he steps foot on Aruban soil??
Can’t Holland extradite Joran back to Aruba?!
kloothommel – you are right, no double jeopardy for Urine van der Slut!
With that said, BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Do I even have to say it? New breaking story on equivocationnation.Joran’s lawyers just offered a deal with the prosecution on Dutch TV!
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
Miss-U #8 Yes, the eyes of the world are on Aruba. Both Chicago papers carried stories on Joran and it was the lead story on Good Morning America this morning. It says a lot that the Super Bowl coverage came in second.
Joe T what do you think about your “sweet, sweet boy” now…smoking weed and shooting his mouth off to a supposed drug dealer. Maybe he was delivering marijuana to street people as part of his charitable work that you said he performs. That evil SOB.
Joran, give it up. You will be dogged like this for the rest of your life. Paulus do you want that for your son, your wife, your other boys? Tell the truth and be done with it!
ARUBA, THE WORLD IS WATCHING!
Does Holland have the power to extradite Joran to the US…I think so….let’s go that route…our FBI is waiting..
The ABC TV 20-20 show tonight will be the final blow to ARUBA, and we will all witness it in real-time. No one will manage to come away with anything good to say, or ever have a desire to go to that sandbar again. Whether Chris Cuomo verbalizes it or not, everyone watching this filmed confession will sit in front of their TV’s and internet streams wondering why Aruban officials DID NOTHING but obstruct and cover up this crime. Total backlash. What adult,parent, or guardian will EVER allow their young females to vacation or travel to Aruba where they are being preyed upon by drug inducing rapist who attack young women for sport? It will be painfully obvious that Beth and her family were lied to, mislead, and Tourism focused ministers blamed the family for their economic “troubles”. Who would condone a 3rd rate country’s attitude that her murder will just go away as so many others have in the past. Obstruction of human rights are punishable in the courts of world opinion.
I just hope that the immense drug problems on the island, and links to human trafficing will be broadcast in the story. No problem, if it isn’t….we will do it here. A major campaign is already underway to crush Aruba’s already failing tourism efforts, and we will succeed.
Worse will be Aruba’s ministers lack of public apology to Beth Holloway, and her family for their displays of public and private disgraceful comments against them. He too will pay the price in the court of world opinion.
Gabriel Leo-
Who is “Daury” and How is he Involved With Joran ?
Does Joran Hate Him ? Did Daury Take Over The Pig’s Pimp Business Or What ?
Speaking of Business – How is Business In Aruba Gabriel ?
more noise from the nosie makers.peter devries is a scumbag.he is after ratings and $.he could care less about natalee or beth.he just cares about ratings and making that almighty euro.this wont change a thing.all this does is prove what everyone speculated.he got away with it and aruba may suffer.she may not.the best thing for this kid is to go to belgium or somewhere no one knows him and try and live a quiet life and stop blabbing to strangers.
LOL, and the plot now thickens. More crap for the stew?
So now we hear there are 2 different Daury’s.
Next we hear lawyers think the kid has a problem (gambling, drugs, sex sound familiar?) Ya think?
Now Has Mos is politely asking Joran to “come in”.
#63 Brie,
Coincidentely I heard some people on tv discuss that today. In theory it could be possible that the US asked for the extradition of JvdS. And the NL’s and the US do have an extradition-treaty that would make that possible. However… the fact that the Aruban judge has dismissed the case at this moment the situation arises that somebody cannot be tried for the same crime multiple times.
(Don’t ask me any specifics about that; I’m not very familiar with law.)
Carpe, you make me sick! Yes, Joran probably killed Natalee, but to say that he is worse than Jeffery Dahmer is just SICK!!! Jeffery Dahmer was sentenced (BY A COURT OF LAW) to 15 life sentences. As far as I know Joran has not been sentenced to anything yet and if he ever will be, it won’t be 15 life sentences.
You really should try to concentrate on the facts and stop making empty threats. Or are you willing to do what you tell other people to do (“I wish someone would stick a 45 in his mouth”)?
Oh by the way, the pay phone at the Mariott which PRdV said Joran used to phone this friend (Daury?), is only for international calls by using a credit card….
The whole thing is starting to crumble….perhaps Peter should have checked the simple facts first!
I don’t know if anyone has already posted this….sorry if you have….don’t have time to read all the posts just now….
One one of the news channels the ticker at the bottom of the screen said Joran’s cell and computer has been confiscated in the Netherlands and his Grandmother’s house where he has been staying is being searched!
WOW! Gotta love it!
Still speculation because I haven’t seen anything concrete but: There appears to have been another call in to the Dutch TV show by Joran’s Aruban Lawyer. I guess the lawyer is trying to arrange a meeting between Joran and Hans Mos. I think they are probably trying to get Joran back in Aruba without being arrested.
There is also supposedly a question as to whether the Daury that’s been checked out is the right person to be checking out since the Daury the media tracked down is said to have a different last name than the name bleeped from the DeVries program. Equivocation Nation reports Daury might be Steven Croes but I think he may be picking that up from here. It sounds like there may indeed be another Daury.
It’s reported that Anita’s good little sporter is in debt due to an addiction to gambling (who woulda thunk)and is on the run from death threats, news media and people that generally despise the creep. It’s reported he is withdrawn from school.
This is gleaned from the recent posts at http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/ along with a “heads-up” from the writer of the blog.
#69 Wang….stop keeping score! It doesn’t matter if some sociopath monster kills One or 15 innocent people. It only takes killing one person to make you a monster.
#69 Wang
At what age did good ol’ Jeffrey start his killing spree? Joran is still young……………………………..
#70 Wang
So you watched P&W too?
Why don’t you tell them the very strong replie of Peter on that ‘world’-phone….?! He could have carried a creditcard with him or he could have called to a dutch mobilephone-number that many people on the island have!!!
This one is for Klaasend – When the boys were originally investigated the first or second time , Joran mentioned his friend KOEN,(the
one whose father owned a boat and the family that
sold everything and moved )Around this time Dompeg was in office. But Dompeg always refused
Dave Holloways numerous request to interview KOEN
for some reason.
In one of those interviews Joran stated that
KOEN – has a nickname that if I remember sounds
like Dubby or something close to it. It was a name Joran gave to him because they have been best of friends for many years.
You posted it on Scared Monkeys. Is there anyway
to see if you still have that on your records ?
This is a long shot I realize this.
But it sure sounds similar to that name Duray
guy that stated he was not involved.
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SM: According to Joran in his 6/14/05 Statement, his nickname for Koen was “Cul” (klaasend)
Note To Wang-
The Pig Joran Knows That If He Does NOT Use
A Pay Phone When Calling Lorenzo – He Will Get
His Fingers Chopped Off – Same Goes For Posner
Everyone Knows You Don’t Dare Call Drug Dealers From Your Cell
Now Tell Me Lorenzo & Posner Don’t Have International Lines and I Will Change Your Name To Taco -
#70 Wang:
Apologies if I’m incorrect, but I don’t think PRvD said Joran used the pay phone by the Marriott, I think JORAN said he used the pay phone by the Marriott.
Richard I sent you an email.
Throw out a lie; throw in a few truths or things popular opinion wants to hear and you have the basis for the following.
Joran having a dying or dead Natalee to deal with.
His “Friend” volunteers!! to get rid of the bodyand dump her in the ocean. Joran will not disclose who that person was and will take his name to the grave.
Ok the story never goes away and is heating up. Joran takes the fall gets off with a few months. Everyone is satisfied the SOB did time. The Persistence does not find Natalee’s remains. The Persistence does not find her remains because there are none. She was taken off the island. Make the story convincing Joran or else.
His friend takes Natalee off the island to a waiting yacht outside the radar range.
Joran has stalled as long as he could but somehow he will be made to pay for something. Meanwhile where is Natalee. Get my point?
Just something to think about along your thoughts.
See everyone thought that Dr. Hodges was right on. Now which is right. Hodges or Joran. Joran has no reason to exclude the Kalpoes. If they had anything to do with Natalee why would he exclude them from his actions. We now go back to the one on one theory.
We have enough media hype tonight that everyone will be convinced Joran did it.
But what did he do?
Does this mean that Hans Mos will get the logs from the nearby pay phones to determine exactly who Joran called, interrogate that person, and identify the boat used? More likely they will pretend to investigate and then toss their hands in the air and announce that Joran completely baffled them by providing a fake name for the co-conspirator.
Wow- This story from the National Enquirer, printed in July 2005, seems amazingly prescient now…
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316
This just came to me as I was writing my latest blog and listening to Nancy Grace.
This taped confession is not the first time Aruba has heard about Natalee having a seizure. Remember the last time Beth was in Aruba and she was questioned for hours about Natalee’s medical history? Remember she was asked if Natalee ever had epilepsy? What does that tell us?
That tells us that Aruba investigation officials have heard some of these details before doesn’t it? Wonder if they will now be comparing the untold confession that caused International statements that Natalee was dead with the DeVries tape.
Richard: Go back to the video tape at the casino. There is a person in a suit in the gambling pit that as he passes the dealer he takes something out of his pocket and puts it on the table with the (Paulus) the person to Natalee’s left. That person picks up the piece of paper. Go over the tape frame by frame and you will see what I mean. Pay no attention to Natalee, Joran or the dealer and it is as clear as day. This person is shown over the right shoulder of the dealer.
Now, perhaps, the Dutch shall see, first hand,
the workings of the Corruption that is Aruba.
How sweet it is to be known for something more
than just a bunch of smug Americans that want
their way; both in this case, and with Joran.
Does the wording concerning the consequences
of Joran stepping foot on Aruban soil, ring as an
inventation for assylum?
Surely, the Dutch would never be so stupid…
.
Queen Bea:
Where do you stand in this contravercy?
Shouldn’t a man be held to his word, or
are you of the opinion that lying counts?
Do you REALLY think that an innocent man
would make up such stories…
What?
TO BRAG?!?!?!???
.
Only the guilty can not overcome the
temptation to get credit for the dirty deed.
.
Justice for Natalee!
.
I am trying to remember if the nickname for K. gottenbos was PEEP that was the name used at first by joran about the friend with a boat I believe? HELP PLEASE !!!!! Steve Holloway
find DauryHand
…….reminded JVDS he had a test the next day……fascinating……
APPLAUSE APPLAUSE TO NANCY GRACE…. Nancy presented the update on Jorans confession and I just loved it there was one of the attorneys on her show who sounded just like Taco Joe’s twin. He was spouting off on how innocent Joran was and I loved it Nancy defused him each time… unlike Greta….
He ended up saying “no one Nancy believes Joran’s confession here today on your panel”… Nancy said I believe he killed Natalee and I will ask my panel and she asked the other 3 and they all thought his confession was the truth.
Nancy does not take an BS when these people serve it to her for Dinner…. Greta you need lessons from Nancy.
To Carpe and Reed,
Count me in as a believer of the Chicago videos.
No, I can’t explain them.
Who filmed them? I’m thinking partly by Sanders with his lost cell phone.
The timing is off, maybe by 10 days.
Joran will not and cannot tell the truth, but he talks all the way around it.
He can’t very well say, he broke Natalee’s neck, hit her in the face and then shot her like he did his dog.
He can’t say that he put her in a crab cage and that he had his friends (and likely Paulus) took her out to sea.
Or, better yet. He put her in a trash dumpster behind the hotels, and watched until the trash truck picked her up.
His story about his friend taking Natalee out to sea is not going to pan out, and he knew it would not. Its just more lies, from the mind of a twisted, sick individual. When he says up, look down. When he says right, look left.
When he says sea, think land. When he says no, the truth is yes. When he says he did not, he did. When he says he did, he did not.
Jerry
Guilty as sin, but he won’t face justice. The Dutch connection who control Aruba is just too tight. If one goes down, they all go down. Aruba is the modern day Cuba for the 40s and 50s. They’re all there for the kickbacks and nothing else matters.
New Poll….
Which is the biggest?
A) Joran’s mouth
B) Joran’s a$$ho after prison
C) The enormous a$$ of his mother Anita
mooooo cow!!
New York Chic?
I may be wrong, but I think Posner is dead…
And his accomplice, Guido, is hiding out
in the Netherlands after releasing the tapes
showing Paulus at the black-jack table.
How hard could it, possibly, be to knock
off an invisible man?
#86 ?”Daury-Hand”? shango referred to “Dirty Hand”..right? Guess it could be poor pronunciation. Could it be a name used for someone at the casino???? Just speculating.
#85 Steve Holloway:
If Joran is playing a game with the name Daury..
It could be Audry… Andre
Or Raudy… Rudy.
.
I, too, believe in the Chicago Videos and don’t
think there is anyway that Natalee died on May 30.
But, I believe that there is an element to truth
in the story that he tells… perhaps the foaming
at the mouth. I continue to believe he called his
father for help and they transported Natalee to
the Sloots compound to be killed on June 8th.
Remember him saying that Natalee wanted to see the
stars. June 8 is the night of the new moon…
Nearly every star in the universe was visible.
There is a BIG reason for he cover-up and this is
not a case of a hump-hump after a jaunt to C & C’s
Besides, Natalee would have not participated in
that kind of activity… She wanted to go home.
.
Good Luck…
Patti
Having a hard time posting here tonite.
Remember the little snipe who said he would put his hand in a fire for Joran, wasn’t it Sanders?
Gotta wonder how a kid becomes that cold and inhuman – speaks volumes for his upbringing.
I agree with Felix!
Aruba is a center for human trafficking and
while it uses people from it’s own region,
there is no doubt that people are smuggled
into Aruba from European countries, as well.
The ships go both directions, as do the jets.
Why wouldn’t Aruba want to share its’
immigration papers with The Netherlands?
Too many people
or
not enough?
.
Queen Bea:
If you keep looking the other direction,
you’re sure to get a kink in your neck!
.
Boycott!
Old monkey here…What a shithole, OMG!!!!!!
#87: “she asked the other 3 and they all thought his confession was the truth.”
So do believe his confession as well?
Aruba,Joron is sinking your island.The world is watching the most associated person to your island brag about rape and murder. Is this how you grow your children. Someone please silence this guy.
Joran said they “carried” Natalee out to the boat. Weren’t there witnesses who saw men “carrying” what looked like a body with blonde hair, at the dump? With Joran, the truth is there, but you have to twist it and stand on your head to see it. Was Dave Holloway close to finding Natalee? If she were in the ocean, why the concern from Deepak, that “they will see that “chit” on her”?
So he “disposed” of her. She didn’t fit into the regular program of slipping them a “micky”, givin’ 15 minutes and letting your “boys” take over to usher her out.
Natalee never had drugs in her system so she had a terrible reaction and went into a coma.
But instead of getting her help, he decided to just trash her like “an old rag”.
Nice guy
Joe T looks like e’s been crying
HOLY COW … DID YOU ALL CATCH THAT!!!
JVDS just volunteered the comment that it wasn’t my parents who helped him.
NO ONE ASKED HIM THAT!!!
Why would he even make the comment.
Can you say Paulas VDS!!!
I am sooooo stomach sick…nauseous…this is like terrorism!!!! Like one of those terrorists that strap a bomb to their chest and don’t care for children and women!!!
ALE you suck, look what you did to Natalee and her family.
103
Heard it loud and clear
Felix there is also a theory that he is a psycopath due to genetics and not necessarily his upbringing. He seems to have no connection whatsoever that Natalee was a human being. I think environmental influences are key to his illness. His parents gave him his own apartment at age 14, he was permitted to drink, gamble and do drugs. Don’t forget as well that he engages in pornography which further hardens his heart and teaches him that women are nothing more than meat.
These parents of Joran are deplorable. They should give up the younger boys immediately to a good family with values. I understand the Sloots are Jewish. Is this in name only or have they ever been to temple, practiced their faith? The Jewish religion is strong and good. The boys would have had guidence there but its clear they have never practiced or taught Joran the first thing about God.
Greta’s show line up lots of talking heads but curiously, no Beth? Could it be that Beth is no longer “inclined” to believe that Greta has anything more than her own ratings at heart?
Patrick van der Eem is a f—ing hero.
Are you guys on 20/20? It doesn’t show on the west coast until 9:30 PM!
Okay, Peter should have a follow up program where he uses clips from the Pauw & Witt show where Paulus and Anita go on and on about how Joran knows how to treat girls properly etc. and cut to his discussions about tossing Natalee like an old rag, calling her whore and bitch.
She was a good girl, unlike Anita, and a straight A student. She had a life and a future, unlike Anita knocked up with Paulus’ devil spawn
#103 yes, caught that and also would like the transcript because he mentions other people in reference to we all got to the beach or something similar to that…would like the transcript.
Whoa…..i’m gonna have to tape this greta tonight for realz….did Greta say “CORRUPT”?~
And Joe. joey joey joey LET IT GO JURINE DID IT!
Could ‘Daury’ be a composite stand-in for Koen Gottenbos?
The way Jurine says they threw NATALEE
“AWAY LIKE A RAG”
PROVES THIS GUY IS A MONSTER
Yes, SM #103, that comment coming out without being asked spoke VOLUMES. I noticed it right off and pointed it out to the rest in my household, asking them if they picked up on that.
Ric Smit is the judge and they will let him go because they are all Dutch jews; this whole thing is about Dutch jews ‘watching out for each other’. Van der Stretten, Jacobs, Smit are all Dutch jews as is Van der Sloots.
Right Paulus ? you bastard, burn in hell all of you.
Joe T get away from Van der Sloots they are lying to you.
I’ve just finished live blogging the ABC program if anyone cares. Note the translation we received yesterday was either wrong of ABC has translated wrong because ABC has Joran saying that she was NOT foaming at the mouth.
I didn’t see that SM!
WOW is right. That is the REAL Joran Van Der Sloot folks.
Calling PAULES STUPID?? HAHAHAHAHA
Welll I know what I will be saying at my next confession…cause right now I wish so bad someone would take this kid out, hurt him a little till he passes out and drop him overboard in the middle of the ocean.
Not sure about Joran’s honesty when Patrick somewhat lead him to say that he put her in the ocean. Joran paused here and said yes. I wonder if Joran was starting to make this water/boat/payphone/Daury story up at this point. I wish Patrick let Joran answer what he did with the body on his own instead of leading him. Maybe the body is still on the island, close to where Dave was looking.
Steve Holloway: “To your question since when the brothers Deepak and Satish are friends with me, I answer to you the following. About two or three months ago I got acquainted with Deepak and Satish KALPOE. Through a friend of mine named “Koen GOTTENBOS” I got acquainted with Deepak and Satish. I have known Koen for more than ten (10) years. Koen’s nickname is “Cul”. Another friend named “Jaime CARRASQUILLO” nicknamed “Betto” had given Koen that nickname.
This is from Joran’s June 10, 2005 statement
sad, but the new video will do nothing to help solve this case. a couple of interesting points, first, he had only been with her for a couple of hours before she ‘went into seizure’ and he chose to dispose of the body. this means he had something to hide, either rape, or the fact that he provided the fatal drugs. could be that he actually killed her in some sort of frustration or rage. he did offer that the help ‘did not come from his parents’. very strange thing to say. the advice to make sure to go to school and to act normal, seems very parental. who in their right mind would take a dead body, or comatose body on their boat, take responsiblity to dispose of the body, while the culprit is given an opportunity to go home and confirm an alabi? only someone that loved you very much, like a parent. daury is a red herring. ‘he owes his life to ‘daury’; he will take his name to the grave because it’s his obligation. he has stuff on daury too, he knows this.” daury starts with a ‘da.. and ends in y’, as does ‘daddy’. patrick says higher power and joran says, powers, i know people on this island. again, everyone who he knows that have power originate with his daddy. he doesnt know if the body was weighed down. that would be the first question one would ask, as his only concern would be if the body would float in and be found. wheather it was weighed down or not would be the first question you ask. unless, the person was an authority figure you comepletely trusted and someone who did not have to tell you all the details, but his words were the final words, again, like a relationship with your daddy. joran has 100% faith that the person who disposed of the body will never rat him out. even after this interview. it’s the father. there was evidence that had to be destroyed, and the daddy’s first public defense was, no body no crime. how did he know that there was no body to be found. how could he possibly be so confident if joran didnt know where the body was dropped, how far out, and if it was weighted down or not? daddy knew the body could not be found because he dropped it. also, joran says he only trust two people, patrick and daury. what about daddy? he stood by you, paid for defense, and played his relationships to keep you from jail, he instructed you on how to play the cops, the lawyers and the judge. you dont trust him? unless, daury is daddy.
so…very simple. joran drugged her, raped her, she died. or,she fights back and he kills her. he panicked, but confidently called his father. his father assesed the situation, and personally took the boat out and told his son to go directly home and get on line, go to school, and go to casino the next day. no body, no crime….
Lying should get one into trouble. In this case lying gets one out of trouble. Greta where are your inclinations now? The good business people in Aruba must be banging their head against a wall or something. Damn I missed 20/20 judging by #103 there were some very interesting statements made.As interesting as that is where does it get us? I’m afraid it gets us nowhere.Bottom line he lied and he benefits from lying. Go figure.
Patrick Van Der Eem and Peter DeVries for President and vice President!!! These two have some serious balls all the way. Unbelievable what they were able to pull off, especially taping him after he thought he was off the hook per Hans Moss closing the case….that punk really let his guard down, didn’t he?
DID YOU GUYS CATCH TACO JOE START TALKING ABOUT THE CUTS AND MARKS ON HIS FACE THAT DAY AND GRETA INTERUPT HIM AND STEER ON TO THE WRITTEN TALKING POINTS IN jOE’S/JIPSHIT’S FAVOUR??
#124 Carl
You are right on target.
-gutfeeling
To answer a couple of questions that have been asked: When some of Joran’s book chapters were translated here at SM I recall that as a couple Paulus and Anita settled in Aruba. Anita became pregnant with Joran shortly thereafter. He was born in Aruba and is a Dutch citizen like all Arubans. He calls himslf “an island boy”.
PVDS is Jewish and Anita was raised Catholic but the VDS family does not practice any religion. At least that was what Joran related in his book. Who knows what to believe anymore?
Well, it seems pretty clear that very few of us are ready to believe that Joran told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
So where did his lies come in? How do we know?
Beats me … but it’s interesting to see everyone jumping on the idea that yes indeed, whatever happened DID happen on the BEACH (whereas this idea has been out of vogue for some time before his ‘confession’).
I don’t believe that the Kalpoes weren’t involved more than he lets on about … but then, if that is so, what motive would he have to speak up for them? It’s obscure to me.
Similarly with the logic behind this Daury. It’s been suggested that if Joran actually did believe that his interpellator was nothing more than he appeared to be, then he could come up with any name he wanted. Why would the guy bother to check into it?
Anyway, I suspect we all agree from the callous tone that Joran adopts in the taped talk (we heard ONE conversation; someone said that he gave the same story TEN times or more) that his behavior is evocative of the psychopath.
If that is accurate, and I’m certainly not qualified to say as much, then it is indeed possible that he’s coming up with yet another story, as has been the case ever since May 30, 2005. But it seems very unlikely that the whole thing is made up.
So where is the truth separate from the lies?
Damned if I know …..
Meanwhile, let’s continue to do the one solitary concrete thing that we CAN do … promote the boycott of Aruba. DeVries said that convicting Joran is by no means a cinch. We can exert what pressure we have to exert on Aruba by continuing to support the boycott.
We have NO other tool to use of which I know.
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
#122 If I remember correctly, (I could be wrong) Joran said something to the effect of the ocean being deep before Patrick asked if he had thrown her in the ocean.
I am so happy that this gives some semblance of closure and peace to Beth. I am sure all of the Monkeys would agree with me, WE still want justice.
Justice For Natalee
Just watched 20/20
ummmm….is Joran gay?
Mike Posner is Alive & Well In Aruba
He Hosts a Huge Poker Tournament Each Year
The only thing dead about him may be His Current Alias (he has used many over the years)
Posner & Chemaly have lost Millions already
due to the drop in Aruba’s tourism
Joran is connected to Posner via Guido
Guido was charged with Heavy Battery
Lorenzo is also connected to Posner’s money laundering operation in Aruba & Curacao
Lorenzo is Also Half Dutch Half Aruban
Lorenzo is allegedly Joran’s Half Brother
Lorenzo owns the largest house in Aruba
and a very nice speed boat
Joran Claims He Knows “People” in Power ?
Guess Who That Might Be ?
Another point … Joran was saying that he called someone at 2:30 in the morning to come help him.
Suppose that person were on the scene; i.e., complicit in the assault on Natalee? Doesn’t that seem to make more sense? That would implicate the person, to begin with.
Also, Joran was saying how stupid the Kalpoes were. Do we all remember that we had been told that they had not exchanged e-mail or any other communications with Joran for some time … only to find out that apparently this wasn’t true?
Remember that, when Aruba came up with the idea of forging ahead with ‘new evidence’ back in November or whenever?
Quote from Previous Article:
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Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.
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How telling he is about his wishes to abuse the whole situation
with no remorse or regard to the family and friends of lovely
Natalee Ann Holloway.
Is abusing the situation the same as telling stories of murder
but being able to fall back on your own self-confessed problem
with telling the truth?
How sick to think that he can rub salt in the wounds of the
Holloways with no fear of reprisal or punishment. He is able,
now, to write any story that he wants with only one objective;
revenge on the family knowing that there is a judge in Curacao
that will never be satisfied with any evidence against him. Why
would a judge, with an oath to uphold the law, participate in such
an evil scheme and continue to release him of any responsibility
for the many things that he has said and done, both against the
victim in this case, as well as her family.
Have Aruba, Curacao or The Netherlands; as far as that goes, have no
heart, soul or mind with which to reason. All one has to do is listen
to his words to know that he is not only guilty of the death of Natalee
Ann Holloway, but is overjoyed in the premise that he is going to get
away with it.
He is, truly, a psychopath… but not clinically insane. Lock him up.
Let him serve his time for the life that he took that was not only innocent,
but hundreds of times better than anything he will EVER amount to be.
Let good win over evil, as it is written; not only on our hearts; but,
also in our laws – ALL our laws, including those of Aruba.
.
Predators…
Crafty Lot,
Aren’t they?
Daury?
My ass!
#127 “DID YOU GUYS CATCH TACO JOE START TALKING ABOUT THE CUTS AND MARKS ON HIS FACE THAT DAY AND GRETA INTERUPT HIM AND STEER ON TO THE WRITTEN TALKING POINTS IN jOE’S/JIPSHIT’S FAVOUR??”
Did she?!!!? I didn’t watch her.
Greta doesn’t listen when anyone talks. She just waits to say her next line. I can’t stand her!
KrisG, its pretty clear that the “G” word is not uttered in that household. They are disgusting animals and look what they have raised.
What about killing his family dog. What was that all about? What did his parents do about that, give him a prize?
Once my sons taped our dogs paws to watch them run around with no feeling in their paws freaking out. I caught them and they were in deep sh*t for it. They got a big lecture about cruelty towards animals and I grounded both of them.
Children need discipline. If nobody ever tells them they’ve done something wrong, how do they ever learn? The truth is that they don’t learn and the bad behavior escalates.
Last year it was the family dog. This year a human being tossed overboard “like a rag.” Joran is a monster, no two ways about it.
Steve…Koen’s nickname is Cul and Sander is Nepi..
1006 (#s 79 and 83) … I don’t think we should close our minds to anything. Everything that we have heard so far has been the uncorroborated word of Joran van der Sloot. On the ONE detail where there is the ability to cross-reference … he has proven wrong. Yet again.
Was the whole thing a sting operation aimed at discrediting deVries? That seems to me to be just too outre; I don’t think he has the ability to do that.
Did he feed deVries a wholly false story? That might be a little more plausible, but again … I don’t think Joran has the ability to maintain a straightforward lie for so long.
Is his ‘confession’ a mixture of truth and falsity? I think so. If so, why? And at whose coaching?
Let’s hope that we find out.
I don’t believe Joran one bit in the tapes. He is a compulsive liar and narcissist. He likes this attention.
Just one more thing before I pack it in for the night … so far, nobody seems to have asked Joran how far he and his friend, or his friend alone (accounts seem to differ on this point) went out in the water with Natalee’s body.
If they have, I haven’t seen it.
Yet this is a crucial point, is it not?
Do we all remember that guy (I forget WHO he was) who did some tests on Aruba (or said he did) and found that at a certain distance, a body put in the water would float back to shore?
All of a sudden, this is being overlooked because we have a ‘confession’ from a self-professed liar with every reason to lie.
It might be worth keeping in mind.
Thank You Katablog for that correction! I was just about to add that foaming occurs in the drowning process more often than it ever would for drug overdose.
thanks katablog. I have seen the name somewhere, PEEP as a nickname of one of jorans friends.
132 Hello what have I said for two years.
To all I just feel we have had the wool pulled over us by the ATA damage control.
There are just two many inconsistancies.
Read the books all four.
Nothing matches.
Throw out a lie add a few truths hype it up with media and a spoonful of medicine helps the sugar go down.
The whole purpose of my involvement was justice for Natalee and answers for Beth. It would appear that Beth has her answers and is resolved to Natalee’s fate; then that is good enough for me.
One little anecedote and I will shut up. Liz said that Joran threw away his sneakers so there would not be any foot print evidence in the sand that he was there. BS LIZ. He said he was there anyway what did your comment add to the story?
(I’m not on her case I think she is cool but)
Kicking Natalee in the head to cause that infamous head injury would have been the better reason to dispose of those shoes. Footprints show up in the bruises on victims bodies Liz that is why you get rid of evidence. Almost another dog and pony show for ratings sorry people I want a refund on my ticket for the show.
Taco stutters more everyday and that’s the truth.
You will soon see Joe T just “going thru the motions” as they say.
count on that.
124 Carl Your post works for me.I didn’t think of the DA UR Y DA DD Y Good one.
What about urin wanting to be a gangster !!! what does that tell you ??? Well urin your dream is coming true !!! So what’s like being a gangster ??? As the wizzard used to say: Drizzl Drazzle drozzle Drom time for this lad to come home
Richard, 141, I remember that test about a body floating back to shore. So I am wondering if they still used that cage for the fishermen’s huts. Perhaps they put a weight in it too.
j4n
molly in houston
100 Open the Window
How many times have we heard the expression for a land fill on any of the science channels..
Oceans and Oceans of trash. Interesting.
Hey Richard……….worry not as to an of us closing our minds friend! After almost 3 years of watching this outrageous cast of criminal’s!
No way do i believe everything that punk said but watching him say what he did speaks volumes and we were right about him and the coverup.
HAHA even greta admitted it using the word Corruption!~
Aruba needs to do some investigating now.
1. Phone records from the pay phones around the Marriott.
2. Joran’s and Paulus’ friends with boats during the time period.
3. Money transactions of the Van Der Sloots.
Gotta go to bed Monkeys, been reading a lot and I agree with some points some of you brought forward.I hope the ship gets new clues as to what Joran said and check this “grid” very closely.
I want Natalee back in Bama.
Mayan , word was Joran was in a fight while staying in Aruba over a gambling debt.. His father paid it off. don’t know if it’s true.. Sad the kind of parent they were to Joran. No rules, no discipline, no ideas of right and wrong. Paulus is pathetic, so is Anita.
I want to see the statements of anyone who saw Natalee using drugs. I do not believe that. If they are refering to Boeti forget it. I just do not believe Natalee was a drug user. I do believe there is a good chance her drink was spiked. Also Joran says shes very, very drunk. Well if she was so drunk she would go into a coma, no way could she consent to any time of sexual activity. I think we heard part of the story, but I think there is more we haven’t. I just do not believe anyone engages in the criminal type conduct like the Kalpoes did for no reason.
Been processing this stuff….too much doesn’t pass the smell test.
1) Why would ALE question the Holloways regarding seizures just two days after Natalee disappeared?
2) Why would you charge Paulus VDS with premeditated murder…if you didn’t have anything on him.
3) Why would you charge Guido with ‘Heavy Battery’ when you have no body or statements that would lead you to charge this?
4) Why would PVDS continuously be protected by ALE, Justice officials, and the judiciary?
Me thinks this story has a smattering of truth, but does not implicate and go deep into what really happened at the VDS house that evening.
Paulus is your perp Aruba….please arrest him before you arrest his spawn.
MD
Hey Maggie!
No way do i believe that Natalee did coke either…..coke is a stimulant NOT a depressive like alcohol is therefore she wouldn’t have been passing out.
DID YA hear Taco Joe on the second run of the show saying
“JORAN LIED ABOUT HAVING CUTS ON HIS FACE”
THANK YOU JOE
SHoot i lost the post but here it is again
In one video rack there is Jurine handcuffed getting into the front seat of a polis car wearing a white LONG SLEEVE
Okay, this is going to be unpopular, but I have to throw it out there.
Does anyone here not find it strange (convenient) that this guy Patrick has the opportunity to meet Joran and just decides to devote his life to doing this. Not only does he have this compulsion to do this, as many here might have, but he has the opportunity. So he walks up to Joran and calls him a murderer with a smirk on his face. He and Joran become fast friends, and though this guy is no professional under-cover man, he fools Joran with this double life. Conveniently he then goes to Peter and makes a deal with him, and consequently manages to get all this information. The cards sure fell just right didn’t they?
and yes JB #122, I thought that Patrick led Joran on the boat question.
Wouldn’t the attourneys and daddy and all the people on Joran’s side have told him to be wary of strangers trying to get close to him? These people may be pond scum, but they aren’t stupid!
Suppose this has all been set up to provide closure, knowing Joran can’t be convicted in Aruba? The story given obviously isn’t the whole story.
At the very least Joran is taking credit for what the whole gang did to make himself out to be the big man. But very possibly this has been published to divert everyone from the truth, just like so many other statements, the videos, Shango and on and on… misinformation!
Richard,
cnn.com has recently had some videos about investigative reporting done on human trafficing. 25,000 women are sex slaves in brothels in Britain alone right now. Gangs are renting women by the month to brothels all over eastern Europe. The number of women involved has to be huge. Where do they all come from? I pray Natalee isn’t there, and she probably is dead at the hands of a group of perps all as heartless as Joran, but I am having difficulty buying into Joran’s story, or even a variation of it without some other evidence.
The discussion here is great as some are finding holes and bringing out new ideas, etc. I applaud everyone’s efforts, but I’m still a skeptic.
OOPS i jumped the gun on the submit button there
cont…
LONG SLEEVE SHIRT AND THE CAM ZOOMS IN ON JIPSHIT’S FACE AND I CAN SEE 1 TO 2 1/2 INCH CLAWMARK’S ON EACH SIDE OF HIS FACE. IT APPEARED THEY WERE BEING CAMO’ED WITH FACIAL POWDER.
Well, Hell!
If he’s a criminal in Aruba,
and all it takes is extradition…
I’ll pitch in!!!!!!
or
Better YET!
Let’s charge him with stalking
an American abroad…
a Federal Offense,
and try him here, in the U.S.
.
Cowboys and Indians, style!
Hey MD!
You nailed Paules’s hide along time ago and you’re right on sir! Paules is the senior black hearted, unfeeling, callous Monster and has raised atleast 1 son to be just like him.
Sorry M.D.
I didn’t see your post, til I posted.
But, I want justice so bad…
Even if I know he’s the “Fall Guy”
Goat tastes good when you’re hungry…
Besides, we need our strength, to hunt the lions.
Let us celebrate his abrasiveness
and know that Natalee was never a part of him.
.
Justice for Natalee
I know CARPE must be Busy As A Bee on all this footage…..Thank You Carpe!
Maggie……Paules paid em off aye? We see how one builds a monster when a parent rushes in to solve all their child’s problems for their whole lives. I hope Anita & Paules NEVER HAVE A MINUTE’S PEACE AGAIN FOR THE REST OF THEIR SORRY LIVES.
Joran Says Daury wasnt in Aruba during 2005, YES HE WAS, and flickr has picture of him and Daury from 2005…during that summer!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/page8/
M.D.
With the video…
You can also proove that Paulus
had stalked her, as well…
What is he doing at the beach of
The Marriott at 3 in the morning?
Two for one…
One Lion, and a cub.
LOL!!!!
A lion who promiced to tell the
WHOLE story someday…
.
Boycott Aruba!
1006906. Oceans and oceans of trash. Yes. The washing up of Natalee’s top is the only thing that throws that into question. Why the sudden, overnight, filling in the area where Dave was searching in the dump? That is so disturbing to me. I do not believe for one minute that Joran’s buddy just dumped Natalee over the side, without any weights. Her body could so easily have washed ashore. (Of course, her body may have washed ashore and been taken care of by the “authorities”. Deeper water, crab cage . . .) So many possibilities. Remember the empty grave that was found on the other side of the island? The bloody mattress, said to be dog blood. Was that in a mangrove area? Joran says he put her in the mangroves. Didn’t the Sloots get a new mattress right after Natalee disappeared? It doesn’t sound like they took her out in a mattress, but it is an interesting coincidence.
The “authorities” know what happened to Natalee and they have chosen to cover it up for PVS. How can they let the truth out, without showing their culpability?
And…
For any of those that don’t think that there
were any “BIG” people involved in the
disappearance of Natalee Ann Holloway,
.
Better Look Again:
Behind the Painter laying over the bush,
after being removed from the rock,
for painting!?!?
She is lying on her belly,
just as she was with the rock,
and is holding her left arm,
along with some rope, in the air…
SHE LOOKS LIKE THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY!
Can you SEE it?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1066.0
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Arawak, Indians, Lions!!!
Joran just said, “She will never be found . . . I think.” (because she is in the water?) Joran says, “Yeah.” He doesn’t sound too confident that she won’t be found. He knows where she is and that she can be found! He is so evil.
My daughter and I just finished watching 20/20. When she saw how he spoke of Natalee, the same age as herself, she said, “Look at the evil in his eyes, stone cold evil Mom, I just got chills down my spine.”
Joran van der Sloot, the new face of evil. The new Hitler. Glad this case stopped him before he could really take off on a murderous rampage!
Yep, #167…
Rubbing our noses in it.
But, I think she was dumped with the cage.
That would make her alot easier to find!
If they haven’t found her already.
Wow!! The people of Aruba must be spitting mad!! Losses of tourist income, bad reputation, Aruban police bad reputation, Aruban government bad reputation, Dutch government bad reputation. Lots of money spent on defending Joran for the last 2 1/2 years. And for what? A big fat lie!! He’s lied off and on for the last 2 1/2 years. The Kalpoe bros have been in limbo for 2 1/2 years because of his lies. And money is still spent on his defense. They need to put him in prison. His parents should turn him in and tell the prosceutor what they know. Enough is Enough. Aruba is going to end up being a ghost island with many lives ruined.
Jen – #163:
Which guy is he?
Toni?
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?
Actually, I think he’s the guy in the middle of
the “Arrested” picture on page 8
Right?
think Joran did tell a lot of lies
but he lied to cover for somebody, he didn’t lie about what happened to Natalie (perhaps only how she died)
Personally I believe he has indeed made alot of this up. I believe he is lying his ass off again.
#124 I do believe has nailed it right on the money.
Natalee Holoway:
A likely Scenario for Murder:
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FOLKS PLEASE HELP ME:
I know its a bit windy but read if you can.
Lets put heads together and add ALL the pieces in one place?
Maybe ask SCAREDMONKEYS to STICKY so we can ALL JOIN IN?
First off I will not Bash or bad mouth the Netherlands or their awesome people over a bunch of Giligan’s Island retards that still believe ARUBA is their own little kingdom. This is counter productive to solving the case.
I WILL agree that the United States should FORMALLY put ARUBA on the “DO NOT TRAVEL” list until this is resolved!
Please remember ARUBA or as I like to call it: BloodSand Island is a tiny speck of land in the Netherlands Kingdom…
NO i’m not Dutch, i’m American, nor have I ever been fortunate enough to travel to the Netherlands but, I can read a map and also noticed that undersea terrain maps list that almost anywhere 1 mile off the island is 500-1000 feet deep…
I will however say that I am pissed off at the (Official Title I think:) “First Prosecutor” and the Lovely Queen Beatrix for not getting involved in this debacle after over 2 years!
They should have sat this bunch of rejects from law school down and said “WE ARE TAKING OVER and this is day one of the investigation, and you are all fired!
In the United States, when a CRIMINAL case is so obviously improperly done, (Think Jon Benet Ramsey) it is taken over by the Attorney General and assigned a Special Prosecutor/investigator, The FBI is called in to take over the investigative side as well to rule out “LOCAL BIAS and local COLOR”
THIS WAS NEVER DONE….They sent jets to fly over and an “Inspector” for a day? to check on the progress…wow so um how ya doing great..ok well I gotta head back to the Hague then to
Amsterdam…
Some things really dont add up with all the different versions and half truths we have been given.
It’s unlikely we will ever know the truth without “waterboarding” all these suspects…
waterboarding works!
Electro Shock WORKS!
Chemical interrogation WORKs!!!
basically Torture works and I believe it is a valuble tool that under a doctors supervision should be used…sometimes…
don’t let any quack doctor fool you and say I can’t make you tell me the truth…
I will torture you till you dont remember what you have said before and then slap a lie detector on you while you’re still recovering…Then I pump you full of Sodium Amytol Barb and I get the truth…
sadly im retired and a religious now…so..umm..I guess I can’t do that now…but I can dream…Muhahaha
DOCUMENTED COMMENTS SECTION: You can skip if you want…or add other documented comments for me to intergrate.
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We took her to Jorans house then the beach…( standard practice take her here for the start, dump later)
We use cell phones to time our exit from C&C’s…( persistent MO shows premeditation)
she tripped and fell getting out of the car… (plausable excuse for injury while under influence of drugs and excuse for visable bodily damage to the person)
your own father… (declarative statement by a Kalope brother in police van indicates Father was involved in some form of action that night)
I didnt pick you up…(declaration by Kalope brother to distance individual from corpse, not a declaration they were not there earlier)
neither did I… (declaration of distancing from corpse ***see above)
I had to do a bank deposit for my son… (Criminal declarative to assert a timeline while disposing of corpse)
We have a grave site… (but duh guess we wont secure it or go there for 10 days) (Declaritive statement to the public to make it appear investigation is moving forward. In the aftermath it looks more like a deception that was forced on Chief Dompeg by the Father or another Official)
He told me go to school tomorrow act normal…(An admission of intimacy by suspect that person/persons know to him and his routine was directing his actions from time corpse was discovered)
A friend for a lifetime Daury (possibly Croes)he has a boat… (An admission of the true FINAL KNOWN location alive or dead of Natalee Holloway…On a boat going out to sea…)
A frantic phone call at 2:00 something and at 2:30 your “friend” is there to help you.(An admission of again Intimacy on the part of assistence he received with Natalee’s body alive or dead)
There was a strange burning with an odor reported by numerous (ok well 3 ) guests of the hotel one night after she was missing. (Articles of clothing tossed into a fire at original dump/burial site)
A judge makes a “PERSONAL” visit to the Van Der Sloots residence and tells the police that the OPEN! Search warrant is now reduced to exclusively Jorans small bungalo. (This screams COLLUSION on the part of officials in
the legal government of the Netherlands whom these clowns on ARUBA are supposed to be representing by their laws and actions…shudder)
A Bible is given to Joran in jail who is NOT religious…(messages from his father?)
A loose comment over heard in jail spoken by Jorans father “NO Body No case” (an indication Joran does not have to worry because the corpse has been disposed of permanantly)
There are hundreds more you are welcome to add and together we can piece together their case for them if they are to damn lazy to do the work… Just post em and I will intergrate…
Here are the inserts IN-BETWEEN the lines of truth and falsehood that Joran told the hidden cameras, and in the van to police, in jail cell, in interviews…
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Natalee Holloway:
A Likely Scenario for Murder:
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1. Joran and “the idiot brothers” make a habit of picking out a girl, likely the brothers slip the drug so Joran can always claim HONESTLY he didnt drug her….once druged they coordinate their timing via cell phones to leave and pretend the “Idiot Brothers” are a local taxi. Unsuspecting girl enters back seat and now shes theirs…
Now normally this is no problem because they prey on tourists that are leaving the next day…I wonder how many women this has happened to that are too embarrassed or have no memory from the drugs.
2. They take her back to Jorans home and there the “Idiot Brothers” photo/film/video Joran first raping the girl then they each assault her…
Why was there no search of the rest of the house and WHY was there no phones/camera’s or computers? of ANY type EVER recovered from the home?
At least every one in the home had a cell phone…
The family has at least two computers…
every one has at least one camera…
NOTE:ALL three of the original suspects have NUMERIOUS snapshots of them out on the town and videos on their homespace pages…so..ummm SOMEONE has to be taking the picture? WHY was there no investigation of the computers/phones/camera’s in the home?
In the case of Natalee Holloway I believe Jorans father came home intoxicated from the Casino that night and possibly joined in the assault.
Once he was finished he told them to get her out of the house.
Who knows she could well have been assaulted in the main home but…
Since a judge buddy personally came to the home and limited the search we will never know..(OH the first search never even occured until 10 days had passed)
Umm didn’t the Judge just violate a code of ethics?
There are code of ethics for judges in the Netherlands right?
THIS IS THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRET that JORAN HAS ON HIS “FRIEND”.
That would guarantee his fathers assistence with a corpse disposal…
His father might be involved in assaulting her.
3. “The Dump” As with all their victims…
Next they take her to the beach near her hotel rape her again before their planned dumping on the beach.
At this point two different things could occur.
She starts to wake up and is physically harmed causing grave injury intentional or accidental…or she has a total cardio-respriatory shutdown due to a drug overdose…lactic-acidosis, heart arythmia, coma and death due to a depressed cardio-vascular system is typical for a GHB and Rohypnol overdose and can even present as a deep coma without there being immediate termination of life…
Either way at this point they could have been HUMANE and called an ambulance or the police and then fled…
I believe Panic caused something else to occur…The “idiot brothers” fled leaving Joran with a very sick girl.
4. The “idiot Brothers” Freek out and leave Joran holding the bag. Now Joran is stuck with no ride and a dying woman…whats he do? Frantic phone call around 2:00AM who do YOU call when in trouble and KNOW they will help you?
Well me personally I would have called for an ambulance and dealt with the fall out… What did Joran do by his own admission?
He makes a frantic phone call to a friend…WAIT! hmm where is his Cell phone at this point? we know he had one because they admited they coordinated the exit from C&C’s? Why is there no mention of this phone after C&C’s? Why did he need a pre-paid one in jail if he already owned one?
Frantic phone call to someone you trust with your life… MOMMY or DADDY…(MOMMY was not home it was documented)
I know my first call would be to an ambulance, then my Father, a Brother, Family member or someone I considered a brother…to ask what I should do…and to get a lawyer.
I would guess he called a friend such as Croes and got no answer until the next day…or a get lost answer from whomever he called…so he then called his Father who since he had possibly assaulted the child as well, has to cover
for his son…or he goes to jail too…
He calls PAPA!!! and Paulus comes to the rescue they hurridly bury her temporarily until PAPA can get all his buddies looking the wrong way and obeying him…
5. For 10 days they did not search,arrest,question,investigate or even basically search around the hotel?
This inaction by the police department gives ANYONE involved plenty of time to make up alibies, scenarios, false documentation, and of course arrangements for a body.
One or two days after death Paulus and or Joran got his “friend, or persons unknown or not identified” possibly this same LIFELONG FRIEND with a BOAT!!! Daury? Croes? is it? to assist in the removal and cremation of the body.
When they realized that burning a body out in the open leaves a lot of forensic evidence they went to plan B and put the remains in a crab/lobster basket, weighted it down with anchors and took it out to sea.
DID anybody investigate if anyone reported lost anchors/fishing gear in those 10 days and purchased a replacement or two? Maybe someone connected to the family? ANYBODY doubt it was never looked into just like the
camera/phone/computer angle?
Lets say his boat buddys ship can cruise at 30 knots an hour. Paulus has a time discrepancy of 3 hours one or two? days after Natalee went missing…”he was at the bank doing a deposite for Joran”
so lets say 1 hour out to sea 1 back 30 mins to clean boat and 30 mins to alibi at bank and we get depending on their patience 1-33 miles out shes more than likely past international waters in 500-1000feet of water…only a deep submersable can get there.
IF, IF we get lucky and find her remains, how about this…
To help recover the respect due people of the Netherlands AND to placate all of us armchair detectives:…
HEY GEORGE BUSH wanna go out with a star on your plate?
Hey Queen Beatrix wanna earn the respect of the world and the admiration of the average US citizen?
Well first off, assign a First Prosecutor and investigative team from the capital to come out and start
over.
THEN:
How about join together and assign Deep submersables and a medical ship to the island.
If remains are found in territorial waters assign a special prosecutor to start from scratch!
Show the world that the Netherlands will not stand for this type of incompetance even from a little island region under your domain!
I for one would be proud to call myself a friend of the Netherlands if that occured.
If remains are found in International waters have them transferred to the USN Medical Ship and pass or even SHARE jurisdiction to the United States? Allow the UNITED STATES with all of its expertise to launch an investigation with the full authority of the Netherlands to incarcerate, interrogate and prosecute ALL parties involved.
THEN we can take jurisdiction from these Peons from the “Justice League” of Aruba…
I am sorry for the insult,
Its not for the people of ARUBA or the Netherlands or your lovely Queen Beatrix, I cannot blame them for the corruption and failings of a few individuals…
I can like any US citizen raise my voice to BAN ARUBA FROM TRAVEL!
Hurting all of you even if only a little bit Via sanctions to not allow travel to your little bit of paradise.
Because of the actions of a corrupt few…its the only action we Americans have short of taking over your little Island country… which is being bandied in some circles of mercenarys
This is not a threat but it is a heads-up, that there are a lot of semi-retired and retired mercs that are just waiting for someone to cough up the cash to take ALL of the parties involved Civilian and Governmental for a little boat cruise of their own special making. I have even heard of a nice permanant stop in Curacao for the women involved…
And the list of people involved in this travesty just like the list of Mercs is getting larger EVERYDAY,
If the government won’t respond to the people, the people will respond to the government in a way that will not be conducive to stable government.
Yours truly,
Reverend Drew Richards.
Here a GREAT picture of Joran on the run:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40942/60becc37/joran_op_de_vlucht.html
(Part of this picture comes from a picture of the NL’s most notorious criminal Holleeder on his most favorite means of transportation [see here]: http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5149 )
I have seen the ABC 20/20 program and i noticed they haven’t included the scene in which Peter shows the footage to Beth Holloway for the first time.
It is really a great emotional scene, so i have put it on youtube.
It can be watched here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzs2_DaN-3I
Also i noticed ABC has screwed too much with the footage. It more looked like some ‘Cops’ reality program than an objective documentary like Peter did. The whole psychological factor was gone too. In Peter’s documentary it was very clear that because of the way Joran was acting, behaving and saying things that he meant most of it. Many people in .NL are convinced of that.
Also i thought the voice overs were terrible.
Joran is now willing to talk with the police as soon as possible to give a new statement (here we go again with all his lies) cause he’s scared. people want to lynch the f*cker. He wants to leave the Netherlands.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/1188651.html#comments
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SM: We do not want to lynch … We want Justice For Natalee!
R
Two things here.
I now think Joran ditched the shoes because there may have been marks on Natalee, with the shoe prints.
Did anyone else catch when Joran said “powers”
when Patrick said “oh a higher power” Joran retorted “POWERS”
The ALE lied and covered this case up. Beth proved it when she mentioned about the siezures.
Lying stinking pigs
177.
I am afraid that the people in the NL are the ones Joran has to worry about. Not in the US, like Beth said, he started his own nightmare.
Beth is an pillar of strength, all she wanted to know is what happened. She said she is done.
Peter Devries and Patrick, true, soldiers of justice.
BTE, how did Peter keep from reaching across the table at the interview with Joran, when he knew what Joran said?
btw. Peter R. de Vries is usualy full of shit.
He wanted to run for parlement last election…but only if enough (like 1/4) of the voters would vote for him.
needless to say we didn’t..and he dropped out, no regard for the ppl who did vote for him
#179
I think Joran lost his shoes in the mud wading into the water with Natalee’s body to put her on the motorboat that took her out to sea.
Trying to figure out Joran’s lies amongst truths is rather impossible to me without having what the Aruban police already have, but I don’t think it’s Paulus who actually took Natalee’s body out to the ocean. I do think Paulus knows basically what happened even though I think that Joran hasn’t admitted everything to even him. Joran never admits to his culpability. Here’s why I think Paulus didn’t actually do it:
I don’t see Paulus getting his hands dirty.
Joran does not respect Paulus or feel obligation to him – he rats him out about the cell phone. Nope, too much of Joran’s previous conversations tell us that he has little respect or loyalty to daddy.
I agree that ABC did a poor job, so much more in the Dutch program. At times I saw them sucking down some of the old lines from previous shows. They certainly don’t pick much apart. As I mention in the blog, there is so little with this “daury”, no follow up or investigative questions.
I don’t want vigilantly justice but I sure don’t mind that Joran is scared for his life or uncomfortably on the run. He needs to feel some heat.
I do think one or more common threads run through what he told Jug the first night, his first confession on June 10th (is that the right date?) and this conversation with Patrick. Aruba knows best what that is, but I’m sure it leads to Joran having killed Natalee (perhaps through Ghb).
It strikes me that Joran may not even know exactly how the body was disposed of since the details seem to get sketchy about then. But I do think the part about Joran being told everything would be okay is true since that doesn’t really reflect well on Joran (about being scared, etc.).
I will say it again: I’ve never seen a case where parents and family have had to go through so much for so long. I can’t even express my concern for Beth, but I’m sure her friends and family will take care of her. Our prayers can only help. This classy lady has been on a journey we can’t even imagine.
Has anybody ever wondered why Joran does not drive his own car? Does he not have a driving permit or license? At 20 years old now, he must certainly be old enough. Everywhere people seem to be driving him around – on Aruba, he depended on the Kalpoes (one of which, Satish, is younger, isn’t he?) and “other” friends. In Holland, we see him riding a bicycle – never driving a car. Personally, with his uncontrollable anger level, he is a terrible candidate for driving – his trigger point for road rage would be zero.
A very long time ago I remember Dave Holloway said that Joran controls the island of Aruba, he drinks underage, he gambles underage and he drives underage..we have just never seen him driving a car…he may not have a license because he’s been caught driving illegally…and we all know driving illegally would not stop him…
Sounds to me like the Dutch have a lot of faith in Peter…Dossy said he has solved many cold cases and is very well respected reputation by the Dutch.
The sheer thought of Joran driving a car makes one shutter………
Pat in Alabama (#157) … What you are saying is what I have been thinking. Once again, having lied nonstop for over two years, Joran is coming out with a “confession” that some people are swallowing hook, line, and sinker (to use a cliche).
The behavior that we’ve seen from the Kalpoes isn’t in my mind consistent with Joran’s assertion that they weren’t involved with whatever happened (he doesn’t say specifically that they didn’t assault her, but gives the impression that it was only him and her).
Everyone has been saying that “it” happened at the van der Sloot house, at Joran’s apartment, etc., etc. Now, just because Joran says they were at the beach, that is being accepted.
Lots more. We know that the ONE detail that can be confirmed or denied, the involvement of “Daury,” has been found to be untrue.
Apparently (I say ‘apparently’ because one never knows on Aruba) the Aruban police have found that no call such as Joran claims to have made from that pay phone was indeed made.
I’m certain that some of what Joran said was true.
But I’m also certain he’s still lying … we KNOW he’s lying about some things.
Paulus and Lorenzo van Rijn helped Joran cover up his crime.
From Aruba:
So many people thinks that the people of aruba are “”Suporting”" joran (urine).. well one thing i can tell you is that he and his family aren’t accepted here.. that’s why they are in netherland.. But now they aren’t accepted there … I do think ( just like someone sad ) that we should begin protest at the courthouse..( demand that joran will go to jail).. the last few days the only thing that kids are talking about is that son of a B***.. yes Urine!!! Every one here just want to beat him up..
Scarlet on February 4th, 2008 2:50 pm
Carpe:
You are one special guy!
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Thank you, Scarlet!
…now who is paying you?
j/k
Check this site out. Apparently this guy has been arrested-Update of the case. We’ve found out that Joran has a half-brother. Lorenzo Van Rijn , the dude is a drugdealer on the island of Aruba and some clothing of Natalee seems to be found in his cellar.
http://www.fokkinel.com/?s=lorenzo+van+r.&x=0&y=0
ARAMBATZIS, Freddy Alexander Zedan – age 21, AKA Freddy Arambatzis-Zedan. Best friend of and neighbor of JVDS and reported guest at the VDS house the night of Natalee’s disappearance. Arrested 8-26-06 under suspicion of intentionally distributing and showing sexual images of a minor, intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious, and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. (a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan” nickname “Fefi”). Listed as a character witness for Joran in NY civil trial filing by Tacopina. Freddy has worked at Champions Bar at the Marriott Hotel. According to several declarations, Joran told Freddy the truth of the evening and the story told to police on 5-31-05. Joran met Freddy when Freddy was 19 during a tournament at the Racquetball Club, according to Joran’s book.
Key words here are “reported guest of VDS the night Nat disappeared”.
Saorise on other blog about videotapes seems to know parties involved and what is going on in aruba as do all arubans there. there will be no justice unless accomplished by americans. it is evident from questions posed to beth and jug twitty two days after natalees disappearance(did natalee have epilepsy) that the aruban authorities knew FROM THE BEGINNING WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE. REMEMBER THIS WAS LONG BEFORE THESE TAPES RELEASED OF JORAN TELLING OF NATALEES SEIZURE!AMERICANS WILL HAVE TO OBTAIN THEIR OWN JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!NUMBER 175, I LIKE YOUR LOGIC! OUR HOMELAND SECURITY SHOULD PROHIBIT TRAVEL OF AMERICANS TO ARUBA AS IT IS NOT SAFE FOR AMERICANS TO TRAVEL HERE. BAN IT LIKE CUBA! IF THE DAUGHTER OF A GOVT OFFICIAL DISAPPEARED, BELIEVE ME, JUSTICE WOULD BE SERVED!ALSO, IT IS NEVER MENTIONED THAT OTHER WOMEN HAVE DISAPPEARED ALSO NEVER TO BE FOUND.. AND WHY HASNT KOEN’S FATHERS BOAT BEEN TESTED FOR BLOOD STAINS OR MAYBE THE PARTY BOAT EVEN. ARUBA DOESNT WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW NOW HOW CORRUPT THIS COUNTRY IS AND HOW LITTLE IT CARES FOR LIVES OF AMERICANS. THIS IS A COUNTRY CONTROLLED BY MOB AND DRUG CARTEL AND THOSE ASSOCIATED FINANCIALLY WITH THEM AND THEIR POWER! AMERICA HAS TO STOP THIS INJUSTICE AND DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!