So Aruba Wants to Question the Time Line of Beth Holloway and Not that of Three Suspects in her Daughters Disappearance?


The continued attack on Beth Holloway and Natalee … Only in the anti-world of Aruba are victims made to be guilty.


Simply incredible. Aruba wishes to continue to put the mother of a missing girl on the witness stand and let those that were last seen with Natalee Holloway skate. Some how the mystery of this case depends on the time that Beth Holloway landed on Aruba, whereas an unknown source (Alberto G.) has changed his original story. Aruba_boycottSuddenly, he was mistaken.

At that time, Alberto G. (Amigoe knows his name but he wants to stay anonymous out of precaution) worked on the part of the airport of Aruba where private airplanes park.  He was the first person that met Beth Twitty at the bottom of the aircraft steps, after he had piloted the aircraft in.   After that, he became the family’s guide for some time. 

He now says that he will change his earlier declaration before the police and give a new one.  He was mistaken.  Last week’s statements of the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo, who call themselves ‘investigators’, made him decide to check some things again.   

Only in Aruba does one focus on the parent who flew in from the United States to find her daughter vs. the very people who were last seen with the victim. Every wonder why one should avoid some places at all cost? Future tourists of Aruba … THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!

Timeline Beth does not tally, (Amigoe – January 24, 2008)

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – Mother of Natalee Holloway, Beth has given incorrect information on the time she arrived in Aruba with a private jet on May 30, 2005.  This was not around 23:00, as she had said up till now – also in her book published late last year – but already at 19:45, says Alberto G. before the camera of the Curacao TV-producer Renée Gielen,  who is working on a documentary on the disappearance of the American teenage girl, and interviewed G. on this subject this morning. 

At that time, Alberto G. (Amigoe knows his name but he wants to stay anonymous out of precaution) worked on the part of the airport of Aruba where private airplanes park.  He was the first person that met Beth Twitty at the bottom of the aircraft steps, after he had piloted the aircraft in.   After that, he became the family’s guide for some time. 

He now says that he will change his earlier declaration before the police and give a new one.  He was mistaken.  Last week’s statements of the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo, who call themselves ‘investigators’, made him decide to check some things again.   

Later that evening on May 30, 2005, he punched out a little after 22:00.  He thinks that that must have been the reason why he was wrong about the time.  He confirms the authenticity of Young and Castillo’s computer printout that show that Beth had already arrived at 19:45.

It is not clear why Beth had lied about her arrival time.  Whether the police have realized that the indicated arrival time does not tally, is not known.  Former chief of police Gerold Dompig told the newspaper earlier that the police had indeed investigated the timeline at that time – flight data and air movements – and that the air traffic control in Curacao had also sent them information. 

This proofs the soundness of Beth’s insinuations: “She must have known more”, says Gielen.  This would also appear from another declaration of Alberto G., who repeats what Young and Castillo said, namely that at first, Beth had posters with her, saying: ‘Please call me, hootie. I miss you and love you. Mom is here on Aruba and I really want to talk to you. Please call me on my local cell.’  The poster was signed with ‘Big hootie’.  Gielen says that this puts things in a different light.  “Beth’s timeline does not tally and she knew more.”

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    133 Responses to “So Aruba Wants to Question the Time Line of Beth Holloway and Not that of Three Suspects in her Daughters Disappearance?”

    1. mommytraveler on January 24th, 2008 9:36 am

      Arbua continues to be STUCK ON STUPID. How can anybody believe any of this without establishing Paulus’ timeline?

    2. disgustedmom on January 24th, 2008 9:49 am


      What a bunch of bumbling crap!

      But I gotta say….who cares? As far as Beth goes anyhow….who cares when she got to the island?

      I see something more odd in all this time change crap than it being anything sinister against Beth….and that is this:

      Was there a private plane that landed at 19:45 that they now want to say was Beth’s plane so they don’t have to say whose plane it really was? Two can play this accusation game, you know?

      This would be so easy to prove. Check the airport logs from when Beth’s private plane left Alabama; add flight time. Period. If she could not have arrived at 19:45 then the FBI should step in and stop all this cover up nonsense!

      But in all reality I wonder if all of Aruba is drunk all the time and no one can remember accurately a thing that goes on. Maybe ‘frosted flakes’ is a code name for a ‘a fifth of Tequila’.

    3. disgustedmom on January 24th, 2008 10:00 am

      Yeah, I agree mommytraveler…..check Paulus’s timeline!

      Let’s see….

      Paulus was in Holland and arrived back on Aruba about…what was it, 5:00?…on May 29.

      Anita was still in Holland with her 2 youngest sons.

      Paulus went gambling with Joran at the HI shortly after 5PM.

      Paulus went home to take care of those youngest sons who were said to have been in Holland with Anita.

      (According to some early reports someone said there were 3 VDS’s on the flight back from Holland that Anita took.)

      Paulus picks Joran up at McD’s about 11PM after Joran walks there from the HI.

      (But according to early reports Joran was sitting outside the internet cafe with Satish waiting for Deepak to get off work from 10PM until about 10:50PM.)

      Paulus goes straight to bed and is asleep before 12:30AM on May 30 and does not wake up on May 30 until about 6AM or so.

      Paulus shows up on the computer in the time frame of 3AM.

      Hmmm…..big mess.

    4. Melissa on January 24th, 2008 10:07 am

      Once again nothing coming out of Aruba could ever surprise me! Aruba is an island of denial from so many perspectives. If one studies the concept of denial, there are very specific characteristics. Among these, one is DIVERSION and this fabricated story is a perfect example – diverting from the real issue. Other characteristics of denial are: blaming, minimizing and hostility. Get the picture?

    5. brie on January 24th, 2008 10:29 am

      Natalee’s Freebirds…..Beth had the kidnapped posters made but at first she was not allowed to put them up…..So Julia Renfro designed the Hootie poster…not Beth!!!!!

      You don’t file a report for air traffic and then later say you made a mistake..I sure the timeline Beth gave was accurate. Aruba is manipulating and changing documents as usual. Anything to try and protect tourism, Joran has given five different statements on how he got home that night. Then Paulus added the sixth one, he said he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4:00AM, then changed his statement to 11:00PM. None of this was ever investigated…the guilt lies with four people who never cease to stop lying.

    6. buster on January 24th, 2008 10:30 am

      aruba sucks worse than anything that ever sucked before !!! That island is a floating pile of $hit I hope that “One Crappy Island” never recovers !!!
      I wish “Something Bad” would happen to all of aruba

    7. Sahara on January 24th, 2008 10:31 am

      how ’bout any one of yorin’s timelines? and did paulus ever provide one that added up? jeeeesh….

      dig it deeper aruba! just keep on digging.

    8. Terri on January 24th, 2008 10:43 am

      How absolutely pathetic. Go Persistence! Let’s give these people a real reason to crawl under a rock.
      Justice for Natalee

    9. Betsy on January 24th, 2008 10:46 am

      Who cares about the exact timeline of the arrival of a distraught parent of a victim on the stinky island of Aruba? You have got to be kidding me!

      Deflect, deflect, deflect…… that is all these idiots do but they never attempt to resolve this case. They dig themselves deeper and deeper and the boycott grows with every move of their own stupidity.

      With all of this action coming from Aruba, the wine throwing incident, the closing of the case, all tell me that Persistence is getting closer to finding Natalee.

      Their latest survey area is based directly on a confession of one of the three suspects. If Natalee is found there, they are toast!

      Oh, but Aruba will claim that Natalee raped herself, killed herself, took a boat out to sea to dump herself; or, perhaps Beth and Dave were somehow involved running things from Alabama and Mississippi!

      Boycott this island until they are so poor their children roam the streets begging for food and selling themselves to feed their families.

      POS island!

    10. Greta on January 24th, 2008 10:47 am

      The continued attack on Beth Holloway and Natalee … Only in the anti-world of Aruba are victims made to be guilty.

      Your comment is BS.. Total BS. In the USA the the immediate family is always the first to be considered the suspect. In Aruba they NEVER questioned them. If you want the truth..You stick to the truth too. So change your headline.
      It should read: Aruba never questioned the family, in The United Sates they will be considered suspects.
      SM: BS – Natalee’s family wasn’t even in the same country. In the US JK2 would be considered suspects (klaasend)

    11. Miss-Underestimated on January 24th, 2008 10:56 am

      Oh how friggen laughable. Aruba wants to continue to disctract from the three perps and Daddy Sloot.

      Keep it up Aruba….your beaches will be as empty as Jacobs head.

    12. Miss-Underestimated on January 24th, 2008 11:00 am

      #1. Paulus gave a timeline…at least two different ones.

    13. dennisintn on January 24th, 2008 11:05 am

      why would beth lie about arrival time? she didn’t. a.l.e.’s dompig was happy with the time she gave and he said a.l.e. investigated that. is this the new reason briesen and croes have decided that it’s o.k. that natalee disappeared? along with “she was drinking the whole time she was there”, “she was having a really good time the whole time she was there”, “she went dancing in the most heavily promoted nightspot on the island”, “she was seen in the company of men and boys” mostly the ones in her group, “she was seen in a jewelry store, no, make that a clothing store”, “she got in the car with 3 strange boys”(that’s straight out of the main suspect’s mother’s mouth, and now that gielen has the services of the two california psycho psychics, i’m sure we’ll soon know the reason natalee disappeared, and i’ll bet money that she will be able to assure us, unequivocably, and without blinking an eye, that it’s natalee’s fault, and it’s her family’s fault that aruba can’t find her, and that j2k are totally innocent choir boys who perhaps weren’t even on the island at the time natalee disappeared. wonderful place, aruba, home of the pariahs of the caribbean, and most of them are employed in high positions in the aruban government. and the rest of them pretend to be responsible journalists.

    14. katablog on January 24th, 2008 11:15 am

      Fascinating: Alberto G., who was on duty was “mistaken” but Beth who was beside herself about her missing daughter “lied”

    15. NM on January 24th, 2008 11:17 am

      F those “people”. Their lies, and shannagens are not even entertaining anymore. Let’s stay focused on the real issues. pj2k and others deceived, drugged, kidnapped, raped, murdered, and hid Natalee. Certain residents, and ale helped to cover-up these crimes.

      Prayers to the Persistence to Find Natalee.
      Justice For Natalee.

    16. Steven on January 24th, 2008 11:28 am


      I asked you earlier and you told me that Beth did not lie. Can you re-confirm this?
      SM: Beth did not lie. (klaasend)

    17. viet vet on January 24th, 2008 11:29 am

      It is very easy to find the time Beth got to Aruba, look at the flight data. A plane must file a flight plane etc. with arrival time. This is nothing more than more of the same lies out of Aruba. These people down there are not very smart, must be working with an IQ of one point greater than a plant. Claudio knows better, he is bending with the others. What a stupid group they have, and bringing in the two clowns just shows more stupidity. Everyone knows what happened, Natalee left Carlos and Charlie’s with the three lying idiots and was never heard from again. As to the posters, they came a couple a days after Beth arrived. I road in the car with Claudio, he knows very well what happened. Aruba is run by a group of corrupt,stupid jerks.

    18. downloadingdaddy on January 24th, 2008 11:31 am


    19. Steven on January 24th, 2008 11:47 am


      > This would be so easy to prove. Check the airport logs from when Beth’s private plane left Alabama; add flight time. Period. If she could not have arrived at 19:45 then the FBI should step in and stop all this cover up nonsense!

      I think this should indeed happen.

    20. Melinda on January 24th, 2008 12:05 pm

      There is a time difference, Birmingham (CST) and Aruba. (I think a 4 hour difference) Beth was probably looking at her watch which was Central Standard Time

    21. diverboy on January 24th, 2008 12:09 pm

      Is this the best management of the air traffic in Aruba? What some guy remembers or not when or if a plane lands? What kind of control is this? C’mon……what’s next?…Steve Croes is the airport manager?

    22. 10061906 on January 24th, 2008 12:11 pm

      Too callous for any remark other then Aruba your time as a tourist mecca has come to an end.
      We will sink you and the Dutch. Trust me.
      Change that to: we are……….
      I can’t figure out which one I want to be, but my predictions or wishes as a renowned psychic vying for my on TV show and a writing job are as follows:
      Deepak dies in a staged auto accident while peeing himself. He and his car get trashed.
      Paulus will have a stroke because he cannot stand to have others look at Anita’s bras because of all the “hits” on the internet.
      Joran will be murdered by a transvestite in a Holland apartment while promises of sex with Guido dance through his head. Cause of death was hypoxia by repeated use of “Something Dreaming”. A leather belt was found at the foot of the bed.
      Satish will end up in a psycho ward. He keeps babbling something about ghosts.
      Dennis Jacobs will be found with a box of Frosted Flakes stuffed down his mouth, a debit card up his A$$ and a glass of beer in his hand containing some unknown substance.
      The beer glass logo says Carlos and Charlies’.
      These are compliments of his favorite crack house.
      Curacao judge; on one of his many trips to the Van der Sloots’s; lost in the Caribbean via plane crash.
      Van der Straaten will come down with a severe “OUTBREAK” and won’t be able to face forward for the rest of his life.
      Koen and Sander get tarred and feathered by a vigilante group in Georgia.
      Alexander G gets arrested for cross dressing in his wife’s dress shop in Dacula. Says it is a mistake wants a second opinion. Says he was only used by his wife as a mannequin for fittings. Says Koen got so fat that he can’t sleep with his parents anymore.
      Michael D gets beat up and sustains a singe brain cell injury by a husband of a female tourist when he tries to pick her up.
      Hans Mos because of his computer expertise; retires as a prosecutor and joins the GEEK SQUAD.
      Nelson Oduber once his term is over becomes a homeless panhandler outside the Layex Building on Wiheminastraat.
      Rudy Croes fails in his attempt at a job for a “Lucky Charms” commercial and commits suicide.
      Gerald Dompig undergoes a radial sex change operation and gets a job in the escort business. His first job is a horse’s ass at a dude ranch.
      Gabriel Leo becomes a Liquid Transfer Engineer: gets a job at a local Valero gas station.
      Julia Renfro and Karrin Jennsen get arrested in a hot duo. The evidence was supplied by Freddy’s video tapes.
      Geoff starts humping and grinding with the wrong person at C and C’s and gets slapped to death by Richard Simmons.

    23. kayjay on January 24th, 2008 12:35 pm

      10061906 Thanks for brightening my morning here on the WET Coast! Please forward this wonderful prediction to Queen Beatrix..might make the old girl get off her damn bike and take notice!

    24. Carpe Noctem on January 24th, 2008 12:35 pm

      ohhhhh! …and this ‘Beth did it’ theory has

      been working so well for them already! You might

      as well detonate a nuclear device. Aruba will

      look like the moon. NOBODY IS COMING TO A COUNTRY






      …but they’ll get over it one day.

      Oh ho hum, sez I.


      Justice for Miss Natalee Ann!

    25. Miklo on January 24th, 2008 12:43 pm

      This is a transparent attempt to make the H-T’s (and Natalee’s story) go away.

    26. Richard on January 24th, 2008 1:09 pm

      As was noted above, Aruba would have its own notes on when Beth’s plane arrived. Isn’t this required by international law?

      What difference does the time of arrival of Beth’s plane make to the disappearance of Natalee, and why is Aruba bringing up such a stupid issue more than two years later?

      It’s obviously total BS.

      DisgustedMom makes a good point in #2 … if Aruba can’t even nail down such facts as when a plane arrives, how can it dare say that it knows every plane and boat that arrives at and leaves from its airport?

      And if its “information” on THAT can’t be trusted … does anyone think that it would keep tabs on who takes off in a private plane?

      Or, perhaps, who the drugged girl was with a wig?
      (Assuming that that was the case.)

      Why aren’t our media broadcasting all of this nonsense … oh, right, that might interfere with those who make their money by sending the innocent tourists to Aruba.

      God, you’d think our government had the duty of protecting our own citizens. What a naive idea.

    27. Gunslinger on January 24th, 2008 1:12 pm

      Someone really needs to take that gun away from those f***tards down there. They are aiming at their head instead of their foot!

    28. Koo on January 24th, 2008 1:26 pm

      I’m still waiting for anita to crawl back out from under her rock and stage another golden boy moment.
      Has she made a public statement regarding her son’s obnoxious behavior yet?
      Maybe this finally shut them up. Where’s tacopino to help joran smooth this one over?

    29. Koo on January 24th, 2008 1:29 pm


    30. 10061906 on January 24th, 2008 1:33 pm

      What I want to know and so do inquiring minds….
      What ever happened to the sailboat Michelle and its crew. Did aliens abduct them in the triangle or what Aruba????????

    31. Gunslinger on January 24th, 2008 1:36 pm

      On second thought, let them keep the gun!

    32. katablog on January 24th, 2008 1:37 pm

      Let’s say for a moment that Beth was working on Alabama time instead of Aruba time – how on earth does that change what happened to Natalee the night before?

      If the manager of the airport can’t get the time right when the flight arrives on the night it arrives, why would we believe his new, changed timeline was more accurate 2.5 years later?

      Greta #10: first, as already said, Natalee’s family was not on Aruba one crappy little boycotted island when Natalee disappeared. Second Dave and Beth HAVE been investigated over and over and over again by Aruba. Remember Karin Janssen asking our state department if Beth was related to Hitler (as if that even makes a difference).

      Lastly, I’ll take the word of Viet Vet who was actually there. If he says they arrived at 11:00pm, thats when they arrived. Note: Viet Vet isn’t changing his story 2.5 years later.

    33. disgustedmom on January 24th, 2008 1:43 pm

      I’m so sick of this whole mess. So how about this….if ALE is going to listen to a professed psychic all of a sudden, then why not let whomever knows what happened to Natalee claim to be an anonymous psychic and give the truth under the guise of ‘having received a vision’? It could be done untraceable.

    34. katablog on January 24th, 2008 1:45 pm

      The US economy is down but it’s not near as bad as the news media is making it out to be. They MSM wants the economy to be bad to scare people into voting for the wrong candidate.

      Next, just what does the US economy have to do with the murder and rape of Natalee Holloway?

    35. nurturer on January 24th, 2008 1:45 pm

      Bury Aruba.

    36. Susan on January 24th, 2008 1:53 pm

      # 27 – Let ‘em shoot :-) The world would be a much better place without ‘em…

      Who gives a rat’s butt anyway if there’s a couple of hours time difference in Beth’s arrival? It doesn’t matter. Besides, Alberto G’s been paid by the Aruban Mofia to spin more BS. He probably doesn’t know how to tell time anyway. After all, a decent education on the poverty stricken, drug infested, third world island of Aruba is non-existent. Geez!



    37. brie on January 24th, 2008 1:58 pm

      Maybe that private plane took Natalee off the island at 19:45….and there trying to cover that one up!!!!

    38. Vicki on January 24th, 2008 2:26 pm

      #22- 1906 Im still laughing…GREAT predictions….thisVILE CORRUPT place is going down…I agree VietVet, their IQ is 1% more than a pant…Are they spinning for us or themselves????How totally Bizarre….Wait till NY and BOSTON..

    39. brie on January 24th, 2008 2:43 pm

      Anita said she wants an investigation into the investigation…which is OK with us because we know who did it…but trying to rip up Beth’s book is by far not a means of getting the answers….just a detour from the truth…another investigation lies with Aruba and all their cover-up and corruption. No need to pursue the family of Natalee, all they even wanted was to find their daughter, what happened and serve justice……and they are more than certainly entitled to that… haven’t they been through enough…this just shows how evil and vile the Aruban authorities are including the Sloot family!!!!! Anita doesn’t like fingers pointing at Joran, huh, you lucky their not pointing guns!!!! You’ve been a disgrace to the island of Aruba and all the damage you have done…you’ve got a son that’s a sociopath with severe mental problems that harmed an American tourist…..Breisen and Croes aren’t fit to be ministers of anything..You need to be beat long and hard…..!!!!!!

    40. Not As Stupid As You Think on January 24th, 2008 2:43 pm

      (1) In a previous post Gabriel Leo,stated he knows that this is not true. He told us, in a previous posting, that he saw Beth get off the plane at 22:00 and he knows this 19:45 time is a lie.

      (2) Besides I really don’t see all the hoopla — even if we were to beleive Aruba’s latest “story” — so what was Beth suppose to do in that 1 hour and 15 minutes? Find Natalee on the beach, kill her and make her body disappear???????? ARUBA — GET REAL !!

    41. Sandra on January 24th, 2008 2:45 pm

      One thing I must admit, I DID see those posters the first few days…And then the posters changed to “missing person” and “reward”…Also, over two years ago, I had also heard about the timing of Beth’s arrival being earlier than she said from one of the top authorities at the airport…If we want to find Natalie, we should look at all different options.
      SM: You hear about the arrival time over two years ago because that’s the first time Aruba tried publishing the Kelly and Castillo BS. This is nothing new and the Prosecutors office, KLPD, FBI all know it’s BS. (klaasend)

    42. Richard on January 24th, 2008 2:56 pm

      Brie (#37) … Whether or not this is what happened, after reading this stupidity … is there ANYONE who would say that ANYTHING on Aruba cannot happen?

      Or that it is too improbable?

      Folks, there’s been not one sign of Natalee in two and a half years … no search on land or anywhere else has produced results.

      Go ahead and rule out trafficking if you want to … I’m still convinced that something more than “ordinary” is at work here.

    43. brie on January 24th, 2008 3:13 pm

      I have also thought…maybe after Natalee got into the car, Deepak put in the porno tape, the music was too loud, no one could her her if she screamed and they weren’t speaking English and she realized, there and then she needed to get out of car….I think maybe she fell trying to get out of car because of what was happening and hit her head which could of caused her death. They, Joran and the Kalpoes know that they had done something bad and to this day lie about it!!!! Anita hands are tied, you cannot throw the investigation in a different direction, we already know the path. Who knows maybe Oprah will do another interview to expose the lies of Aruba…that should cook the cake!!! Rick Smid, devious friend of Paulus and a participant in his dirty little tricks had no legal right to be the judge on duty…

      It’s time for the US, FBI to step in…and stop all of this to our American family….no passports to Aruba until this is brought to an end!!!! And maybe no even then!!!!

    44. Sherry on January 24th, 2008 3:23 pm

      I think Aruba is running some type of campaign to see how low they can sink their tourism..any other reasoning behind this would take a lot of distorted minds that are more than a few bricks shy of a load. Okay so maybe the latter is the answer.

    45. brie on January 24th, 2008 3:36 pm

      I read why Joran wore that cap for the interview…isn’t it still polite for men to take their hat off when inside…I think so!! He couldn’t because of all the alcohol, he is losing his hair!!!
      Who is supplying all the money for his drinking.? Who sent him off to college with a porno tape to keep him awake in class…Paulus the pervert…Deetch said he has already been kicked out of 3 bars for fighting…we well know who did it!!!

    46. brie on January 24th, 2008 3:42 pm

      Paulus and Anita have done a piss ass job of raising Joran…Paulus a lawyer, oh well, do your shit, I’ll clean it up…Anita a school teacher, I’ll fix your grades…a free ride for Joran..Anita says the people of Aruba are supportive….that’s a lie…you were afraid for Joran to walk down the street to grocery store!!!!

    47. bleachedblack on January 24th, 2008 3:43 pm

      #14 katablog

      How right you are! I couldn’t agree more. The double
      standards that have prevailed throughout this case are beyond disgusting.

      Whatever became of Paulus timeline discrepancies?
      After all these were noticed very early on and the
      alleged reason he was arrested in the first place.

    48. minnesota dad on January 24th, 2008 3:48 pm


      Can Aruba get any stupider!

      From almost the beginning I have harped on this case revolves around Paulus Van Der Sloot and his timeline for that night.

      Aruba, in their insanely corrupt style, did everything possible to distance Paulus from this case. Even though we have Paulus playing cards with Nataleee and hitting on her, we have no indication of his timeline for that night.

      As I said when the KLPD showed up in late 2006, unless the KLPD plans on investigating Paulus Van Der Sloot’s timeline for the evening in question, this case will be swept under the rug.

      Now, Aruba wants to investigate and check Beth’s timeline for the evening?!? BWAAAA HAAAA HAAAA.

      To Aruba’s crisis management PR team. Stop spinning and bring Paulus Van Der Sloot down.


    49. JusticeforNatalee on January 24th, 2008 3:54 pm

      Aruba’s malicious and misguided efforts to protect tourism are in fact, destroying tourism.

      Backfiring, bigtime!


      Thanks for making it so easy, Aruba.

    50. bleachedblack on January 24th, 2008 4:26 pm

      Paul van der Sloot: That was not told to me when I was apprehended. During the apprehension I was told that I was suspected of complicity to murder manslaughter and usurpatory freedom spoliation (kidnapping). During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o’clock, I picked up Joran. And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee, while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o’clock at the McDonald’s. That is, of course remarkable that the public prosecutor’s office adds two witness statements of people who were standing somewhere in the back, and not the witness declaration from the police officers, where I direct myself to, and directed myself to, as much as possible.

    51. Richard on January 24th, 2008 4:28 pm

      So the “producer from Curacao” wants to do some kind of “investigation” into Natalee’s case …

      my idea … have Curacao look into the disappearance of Amy Bradley from a ship as it was docking at that island in 1998, just one night after crew members asked her to go to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies on Aruba with them.

      Coincidence, huh? Well, maybe and maybe not….

      Don’t rule out anything in the Caribbean.

    52. Carpe Noctem on January 24th, 2008 4:37 pm

      An eventful night on the RV Persistence

      searching the water for Natalee.


      Special Notice:
      By John Silvetti-

      The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

      Selection of the next area, the “Extended Search Area”, was based on one single piece of information, a reported confession by one of the three suspects. This confession, as relayed to the survey team, has some credence. It involves the same type of disposal scenario, but better defines the search area. This information in combination with the weather patterns observed by the survey team since our arrival on December 15th left only one boundary to define. The team needed to observe the island from offshore on a small vessel at night to determine this boundary. Sounds easy….huh?

      After 2 unsuccessful attempts using a local vessel due to fuel and mechanical problems, the decision was made to utilize the R/V Persistence’s Rescue Boat, the “Avon”. The Avon is a 16’ center console inflatable vessel powered by a 70 hp Daihatsu engine. Prior to dark, the Avon was launched from the Persistence and piloted to the Holiday Inn Pier by Captain Jim Graves. Later that evening, John Silvetti boarded the vessel with Capt. Graves, transited to the start point, and commenced an offshore run documenting the time and vessel position with a WAAS enabled hand-held GPS system. At one mile out, radio communications were confirmed with the Persistence. At six miles out, radio communications were again confirmed along with spot light identification as the Avon crossed astern of the Persistence. It was somewhere shortly after this point that Murphy boarded the Avon!

      The weather was very similar to the recorded weather of late May, 2005. The seas were running 4-6’ with swells of 6-8’. It was rough for an Avon! Upon reaching the final destination point while documenting the final position, the engine sputtered and stalled. It never started again! Approximately 30 minutes of effort to restart the engine was fruitless. I believe that is when we noticed that we were taking on water! HELLO HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

      As we watched Aruba disappear over the horizon, contemplating our broken engine, a vessel taking on water and the fact that we are about to enact the emergency contingencies of our procedures, Capt. Graves stated, “ I am sure glad that it is so dark!” I took the bait. Why? Because I believe we would be scared to death if we could see how big these waves are! Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Silence. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Five minutes of silence. Back up frequency. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 09 ..over! Five minutes of silence. VHF comms failure. Ya gotta love Murphy.

      Thanks to the support of Coast Guard Curacao, Aruban Port Authority and some unbelievable cell phone coverage, the Persistence plucked us out of the water approximately 16 miles offshore Aruba. We had acquired a tremendous amount of information to determine the last boundary and learned a few lessons:

      1) Never use your lower back to absorb the shock of pounding seas when you are fat and out of shape.
      2) Never get fat and out of shape.
      3) No matter how complete and thorough your safety procedures are, never count Murphy out!

      -John Silvetti

    53. 10061906 on January 24th, 2008 4:49 pm

      All that is required is you check the flight plan and log for the plane that flew Beth to Aruba. My son just became a pilot and the documentation required is unbelievable.
      By FAA standards any lying on such a report and the pilot loses his license…permanently. Period: end of discussion Aruba.
      Maybe your pilots do not file a flight plan because they do not fall under the FAA but US licensed pilot must file a report. Granted you will find a rogue pilot; especially for drugs,
      but this was not a rogue pilot or plane. Wasn’t it supplied by some business?
      I still want Paulus’ timeline: The time missing is between 9:30 PM 5/29/2005 and 8:00AM 5/30/2005. That is almost 12 hours unaccounted for and not investigated.

    54. JusticeforNatalee on January 24th, 2008 5:13 pm

      How can so many stupid people live on one tiny island?

      And by that, I don’t mean the decent everyday Arubans, but the officials and tourism morons peddling this crap.

      Natalee did not disappear after leaving with Beth!

      And NO–we don’t have to look at any stupid scenario brought up.

      How about this most likely scenario:

      Natalee leaves C and C with J2K and dies due to a date-rape drug or struggle with Joran.

      That makes the most sense.


    55. FL on January 24th, 2008 5:16 pm

      Young and Castillo had a computerprint that showed that Beths plane arrived at 7.45pm. This has been confirmed by other airports like Curacao. They also have a printout that says that Alberto G. left the airport at 10pm. It seems (according to this new timeline) that Beth arrived on Aruba *before* natalee was reported missing. The reason for this seems to be that Natalee did not want to go home anymore and Beth knew it. More about this at
      SM: I question the need to post in a topic about this very thing. By the way, not even Young and Castillo claim Beth arrived PRIOR to Natalee being reported missing. There is NO PROOF that the computer printout is legit. This is not new information, it is rehashed old BS respun by AHATA. (klaasend)

    56. Bob in Florida on January 24th, 2008 5:23 pm

      It is comforting to note the level of in-depth investigative reporting that Renée Gielen is putting into this documentary….don’t check primary sources..flight records, customs reports, pilot logs, and the like….but depend on some BOZOO who is changing his story 2 plus years after the fact….I am sure even a corrupt government like Aruba maintains some level of customs control at their airport and has some form of air traffic control.

      If there is a god in heaven, this disgusting smear campaign against the victim and her family will come back to haunt Aruba, Aruba’s politicos, and Renée Gielen the sleazes the like her.

    57. Libby on January 24th, 2008 5:47 pm

      Sad thing is, if they gave us Paulus’ timeline, it would just be a lie…like everything else that comes out of their mouths.

      Justice will never be served on these criminals…not here on earth anyway. When they face their maker, it will be a different story.

      All we can hope for is to bring Natalee home.

    58. 10061906 on January 24th, 2008 6:43 pm

      Sounds like the O’Rielly theory when he had a very reliable source that said Natalee died of an overdose and then gave that unforgetable smirk. (No Body end of Theory)I have a very reliable source that says that all of Aruba is on drugs or is that drugs are all over Aruba?


    59. Maggie on January 24th, 2008 7:01 pm

      FL… Remember Dan Rather on CBS news with the documents about George Bush’s service in the guard, presented as true, when the documents were never authenticated and Mr. Rather lost his job? Anyone can present a document like that, but unless it’s authenticated(give it to the USA FBI to look at)you can’t present it as truth. Funny you are always so quick to convict Beth based on bs. Just like the picture Joran paid to have photoshopped of him with Natalee in Alabama.. I don’t think he intended for Mr. DeVries to find that. It was for future use more than likely. Or, that dumb letter Natalee supposedly wrote Paulus.. Who in their right mind believes if Natalee could’ve written anyone, that it would be Paulus?!!! Almost Drew Petersonish, with the letter he got of a sighting of his missing wife.

      Anytime PR firms are hired.. that’s all they do put out garbage of sightings etc.. to mislead people to try to improve the image of those who hired them.

      Natalee was already missing about 15 hours before Beth left Alabama. Furthermore, Dave says in his book, 2 days later when he arrived, 2 of the 3 police stations on the island, didn’t know anything about a missing girl. Why would the cops not immediately close the hotel and search the entire place? In fact, even after Joran, and the group went to the Holiday Inn in the middle of the night, for them to show where they let Natalee off, they still didn’t search the hotel or close it off to do so. Absolutely stupid! Know why? because they knew she was never even back there that night. The Kalpoes and Joran both showed them different places they let her off, and there is no guards matching that description that worked at the Holiday Inn.. Spring ahead about 6 days, after even watching a surveliance camera showing Natalee not returning 2 days after she’s missing, they still go out and arrest the 2 black guards, who don’t even work there. The Kalpoes are being questioned about the fisherman’s huts the first time they are questioned on May 31st, I believe. They are asked about the fisherman’s huts? Why?, after all Joran said they didn’t tell that story about the huts until over a week later.

      There is no proof anyone ever saw Natalee after she left with them, there is no proof they ever went to the beach, there is no proof Satish picked Joran up, there is no proof Natalee wanted to stay on a beach alone at 3am (yeah right)There is no proof Natalee wanted to do anything but get a ride to her hotel. I remember reading a post from a Canadian on here, who was there , the same time Natalee and her group was. He said the day she was missing, the only ones he saw doing anything, was Natalee’s family and friends and he couldn’t understand that or why cops didn’t have the place sealed off searching all the rooms.

      This story is right up there with the spaceship, lies about Jug, Natalee ran away, Aruban Fairy Tales. Tell Alberto to investigate Deepak’s car behind the sloots and then gone that night, and Paulus coming to the door with a cellphone after being woke up, Paulus leading everyone away from the house for over an hour instead of telling Joran to come home. Joran and Deepak not dressed for being in a casino, dirty and sweaty, Deepak, Joran and Paulus meeting in Joran’s bedroom afterwards, Deepak’s car at the police station the next morning, when he says he went home and on and on..

      A person would have to out of their minds to let their daughters go there now.

      We love you Natalee and family!

    60. JusticeforNatalee on January 24th, 2008 7:40 pm

      Let’s face it: This is what Aruba can’t stand:

      Beth on Oprah’s show: Over 20 million hear Beth’s version of events and Oprah also gives Beth’s book a nice plug–meaning more and more people will buy it and read about the COVER-UP IN ARUBA AND DENIAL OF JUSTICE TO AMERICAN CITIZEN NATALEE HOLLOWAY

      Determined Efforts of Persistence crew to find Natalee’s body

      Joran’s rage exposed


      And now DeVries is on the island and also Bill Kurtis of
      “American Justice/Cold Case” fame.

      And don’t forget, Natalee supporters will be standing up for her in Aruba’s prime tourist markets of Boston and NY–warning other tourists.


    61. JusticeforNatalee on January 24th, 2008 7:45 pm

      Beth’s timeline doesn’t tally, Aruba?

      Most educated people will respond to that statement with:

      WHO CARES!


    62. LilPuma on January 24th, 2008 7:50 pm

      Once again, Beth is accused of what they’re guilty of. Lying about where they were and when.

    63. JusticeforNatalee on January 24th, 2008 7:51 pm


      Of course, by taking HER away in a car, I meant Natalee, but the point is:

      Beth is not a suspect and it doesn’t matter what time she arrived.

      It’s just a distraction to take the blame away from Joran and Aruba.

    64. Carpe Noctem on January 24th, 2008 8:02 pm

      I hear that

      #59 and #60

      If you want a replay of

      the Oprah segment of Beth & Matt

      last week, I re-uploaded it this afternoon.

      Just click up on my name.


      We love you Natalee and family!

    65. Scared Monkeys on January 24th, 2008 8:37 pm

      # 10 YOU ARE A DUMBA$$ … A complete and total fool. Actually, I am not sure how someone can actually walk the earth and be this stupid.

      The continued attack on Beth Holloway and Natalee … Only in the anti-world of Aruba are victims made to be guilty.

      Your comment is BS.. Total BS. In the USA the the immediate family is always the first to be considered the suspect. In Aruba they NEVER questioned them. If you want the truth..You stick to the truth too. So change your headline.
      It should read: Aruba never questioned the family, in The United Sates they will be considered suspects.

      News flash to the colossally stupid … a family is always considered a suspect when the person goes missing under their roof. Just how long have you been an idiot. Please leave thinking to trained professionals.


      Talk about stuck on stupid.

    66. benh on January 24th, 2008 9:08 pm

      Does Aruba think this slander of jug and Beths arrival time,will make people forget what this story is all about if so let me refresh you.Its about THE MURDER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND THE GOVERMENTS PART IN THE COVER UP AFTERWARDS…..

    67. Patti on January 24th, 2008 9:13 pm

      What I find TOTALLY AMAZING is that the very

      person that caused all this mess, had a

      personal connection to the family…

      Charles Croes!


      So let the crows talk…


      REAL Indian Talk…


      Hey, Oduber-do!

      Where were YOU?



    68. Patti on January 24th, 2008 9:24 pm

      Charles Croes:

      Head of the ATA

      Remember all that real Indian talk about

      finding Natalee would be “bad for tourism”


      Where’d that come from?


      The SAME Man who’s cell phone can be traced

      to the area of the Marriott around 3 a.m.?


      The Entertainer…


      THE Arawak NATION

    69. Patti on January 24th, 2008 9:27 pm


      Is that okay with you?


      Smiles at ya!



    70. viet vet on January 24th, 2008 9:35 pm

      I guess Aruba will bring in some UFO alien theory, what a bunch of stupid jerks. Joran is not even a half wit, pity he didn’t come to the U.S.A.

    71. Patti on January 24th, 2008 10:00 pm


      I think they need to look a little

      deeper into that Crystal Ball…


      Funny how that man changed his story…


      But, I suppose in Aruba, you can buy anything.



    72. katablog on January 24th, 2008 10:01 pm

      Okay, let’s test this Aruban Fantasy the way we did the last one.

      Let’s say for argument sake that Beth lied and did arrive in Aruba at 7:45pm on 05/30/2005. This was still HOURS after Natalee had been reported missing by her group. So what did Beth do then?

      The Fantasy claims that Beth talked in-flight to Natalee on her phone. Whose phone? Natalee’s phone that didn’t work in Aruba? If Beth talked to Natalee, why did Beth need posters when she arrived?

      How did Beth do just a fantastic act job of looking totally in despair every night on TV and totally collapse when being told her daughter was dead on June 10th (that date might be wrong)?

      How did Beth manage to get to van der Stratten and convince him that Natalee was dead because he’d seen the evidence?

      If Beth and Jug wanted Natalee dead, why did they then interrupt their wonderful vacation in Aruba to talk to US news every night? Why did they dog the news media to carry Natalee’s story if they really just wanted to cover up their involvement in Natalee’s death? If I were wanting someone to disappear I certainly wouldn’t be hounding the news to carry the story even years later!

      Since Aruba was going along with Beth about not being able to find her daughter and her daughter being dead, why didn’t Beth just leave Aruba after awhile and let the story fade away?

      How did Beth convince Dave to spend days in an Aruban garbage dump looking for Natalee?

      Did Beth steal Joran’s shoes?

      Was Guido (or whoever the kid was) really so scared of Beth that he started sleeping with his parents?

      Did the Gottboes (sp) family move quickly off Aruba because they were the ones that helped Beth secret Natalee off Aruba? Oh BTW, what time did that flight leave? Oh that’s right – those details are from another Aruban Fantasy – this one has Natalee dying in Aruba a week later – sorry, I get my Aruban Fantasies mixed up sometimes.

      How did Beth get Joran and K2 to lie about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn?

      What was Paulus sweating about so bad since he knew his darling little sporter was innocent?

      Why of all people did Beth choose the van der Sloot family to crucify for Natalee’s death?

      Why did Deepak tell a friend in chat that “the girl is dead”?

      What were Joran, Deepak and Satish talking about in the police car? What chit on what girl?

    73. Patti on January 24th, 2008 10:14 pm

      Great Post!

    74. Vicki on January 24th, 2008 10:26 pm

      Richard call me URGENT..

    75. JusticeforNatalee on January 24th, 2008 10:50 pm

      “She must have known more”, says Gielen.

      That’s right, Gielen. Beth DID know more, but not in the way you imply!

      What Beth DID know is that Natalee was very reliable, so something terrible must have happened TO her to cause
      her to miss her flight.

      Knock off the crap, Aruba. Get with the program.
      Justice for Natalee.

    76. disgustedmom on January 24th, 2008 10:51 pm

      Let’s not rule out fatbutt Anita as possibly being at the head of what happened to Natalee!

      On a documentary I watched about baby kidnapping for sale for adoption ALL those who did the kidnapping and selling were fatass women!

      Where is the proof that Anita was in Holland when Natalee went missing?

      Hmph….Anita going to Holland for her granny’s 90th birthday. Too much information! Who cares how old her granny was turning? Yet, they repeat it every time they say Anita was in Holland! Sounds like potential BS.

      Investigate Anita’s timeline!

    77. disgustedmom on January 24th, 2008 11:08 pm

      A couple days ago I saw the word “FREEBIRD” written in the dirty residue on the back of a tractor trailer truck belonging to a company from Tennessee…all in caps and circled.

      It was quite eerie to see considering Beth had lived in Tennessee and Jossy’s sons and Jug went to school in Tennessee together (I think that’s right).

      No point here. Just made me think of Natalee.

    78. Sherry on January 25th, 2008 1:19 am

      I think this site needs to come up with a game called ‘What stupid thing will Aruba come up with next?’ I bet there might be several winners on site.

    79. Carpe Noctem on January 25th, 2008 1:23 am

      disgustedmom on January 24th, 2008 10:51 pm

      Let’s not rule out fatbutt Anita as possibly being at the head of what happened to Natalee!


      LOL disgustedmom

      ‘Neeter Buggy Sloot “do be has’n” a big ol’ booty!

      That monumental left butt cheek almost completely

      blacked out Mr. Peter De Vries getting tossed in the

      face with wine, on my tv set. I had to watch it

      over again several times. THANK GOODNESS FOR THE DVR,

      HEAVENS TO MERGATROID! -Snaggle Puss

    80. Kat_Gram on January 25th, 2008 1:23 am

      So who cares what Alberto G says now ?
      He remembers better now than he did two 1/2 years ago ?
      Who cares what any of them say ?
      The plane has flight records that were checked out at the time. There has never been any question before about her arrival time until recently. The flight records could be checked out in the USA if there was any point to that other than to prove that the plane did not time travel in a counter clockwise manner.
      And why should they even have to answer some stupid accusation of arriving early based on nonsense ?

    81. Betsy on January 25th, 2008 2:11 am

      Anita’s got back; baby got back. A little in the middle but you got much back!

      She is so fat you can see the cellulite dimples through her clothes. Basically she should not leave home and show that stuff in public. At least she had sense enough to cover her mamouth arms this time.

      Anita, run, don’t walk, to Jenny Craig and way to “stand by your cheatin’ man.”

    82. Betsy on January 25th, 2008 2:18 am

      Anita’s a living tribute to Sir-Mix-a-lot.


      SM: I don’t particularly care for Anita either but don’t you think making fun of someones weight is a bit childish? (klaasend)

    83. mayan_moons on January 25th, 2008 3:29 am

      Wow Peter is on the island with Bill Curtis? Fabulous! Can’t wait to hear more about that!~

      Hey 1906….your post #22 is hilarious and worthy of being printed and framed! (i’m going to) lol

      All of your posts cut the knee’s out from under Aruba’s ridiculous lies. These people must really be on crack (for real) to 1. make up this idiotic tales and 2. thinking anyone’s going to buy into that load of BS.

      Justice…’re right on that Aruba can’t stand the position they’re in and resorting to these laughable ignorant lies.

      They can’t stand it and we are loving everyday of watching Aruba’s beach cam’s with no one there & The persistence doing such a diligent search effort while the coward’s on Aruba look on scratching the sandflea’s on their head.

      Let’s put it on a postcard…whadda ya say?~

    84. Dolf on January 25th, 2008 3:54 am

      Dutch goverment made the deal with the Antilles (note that this not include Aruba..they are already are independent..somewhat)

      basicly: Dutch take 85% of debt (2 billion), Curacao and St. Maarten are going to be independent countries. Bonaire, Sint-Eustatius and. Saba are getting a special status within the Kingdom.

      The request form the Dutch in order to swipe the debt was: Fiscal responsibilty and good governance.

      Now all that remains is to finalize this deal and work out the bumps about the Dutch wishes on the justice departement, in wich Aruba also wants to get involved

    85. brie on January 25th, 2008 3:54 am

      I wish Joran’s book was published in English, I’m sure there is a lie on every page.

      Julia Renfro, world renown trouble maker and liar, friend of Paulus

      Arlene Schipper, media spokesperson for the tourism group AHATA and cousin to Guildo Wever…she was forced to reveal in a television interview that she was being paid by the AHATA, a tourism group that has been documented with spreading misinformation about Natalee and her family throughout the case..

      Maybe the Caribbean Court of Justice can do something about investigating all the corruption and especially those involved. Rick Smid, Ben King, Straaten, Dompig, Croes, Breisen. They all have done an injustice to the investigation.

      Julia Renfro and all the bad things she has done…every time I think of her I picture Father’s Day, 4 kids and all different fathers…must be mass confusion at her house…. every on an ordinary day, trying to decide who goes where!!!!!!

    86. Ray on January 25th, 2008 4:15 am

      This attack on Beth and Natalee is all the reason I will ever need to BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER. I think that Jossy Mansur is the only person on aruba that has a CONSCIENCE.

    87. waterboy (Jerry) on January 25th, 2008 9:57 am

      They might as well be arguing about the price of milk or bread, because it is just as relevant to the case.

      What we have is what we use to call at Texas A&M —-Pencil Engineering!

      In the field of Pencil Engineering, you know the answer to the experiment (in arubas case they know they want to blame Beth) and although they didn’t get the right answer, they went back to their data, erased, added, subtracted, erased, penciled in new data; and walla—they came up with the correct answer, or in this case the wrong answer (the answer they desired).

      Aruba you are all Pencil Engineers. You fail!! Your punishment—10 days and 10 nights alone with Anita. (Cruel and unusual I know.)


    88. Dolf on January 25th, 2008 10:10 am

      Ray, think your wrong.

      there are loads of decent ppl on Aruba just living their lifes.

    89. stoney on January 25th, 2008 10:19 am

      Does anybody know if Deepak is living in the United States I was told he was living in Miami but that is porobably a lie too!!! lol he can’t even tell the truth about that

    90. Greta on January 25th, 2008 10:25 am

      Oh yeh, I am very stupid allright!
      Posting among these super intelligent people.
      You do what you do best assume and insult, your mother should be proud. You don’t know jack sh*t. But still you open your filthy trap. Good for nothing, uneducated, INCOMPETENT…. How long did it take for YOU to get it? How long????????? Now explain to me what is justice?
      Is justice beating the cr*p out of an innocent person? Is justice assuming someone is guilty and humiliate them , degrade them and beat the sh*t out of them? What is justice you Einstein. Again I tell you YOU don’t know jack sh*t!!

      I was talking about timeline…..Einstein, which very easily can be changed with the help of my friends!! I don’ have “FRIENDS” that can help me with the timeline.The truth doesnot mean jack sh*t, not in the world I live in. Yeh I’m stupid and a dumbass and proud of it.. but a lier NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    91. brie on January 25th, 2008 10:27 am

      Julia Renfro is a cheat shot along with Alene Schipper…paid for their service by AHATA…it all sucks!!!!!!!AHATA is so damn dumb they don’t have a clue on how to handle tourism…justice is want is needed!!!!

    92. on January 25th, 2008 10:57 am

      I also love 1906′s #22 post.

    93. Para2legal on January 25th, 2008 11:25 am

      Had a bad flash: As corrupt as A.L.E. is can the divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions aboard The Persistence be trusted?

    94. Greta on January 25th, 2008 11:50 am

      Is AHATA part of the police force? If they are not, they should stick with what they do best…TOURISM

    95. Greta on January 25th, 2008 11:57 am

      # 22

      Karma is a biatch!!
      If I were you I would plead for forgiveness. The Lord will listen even to people like you!! Sometimes people will say things when they are angry, it does not sound like you are.
      I honestly don’t think you’re funny!!

    96. 10061906 on January 25th, 2008 12:16 pm

      Greta: that is why they make chocolate and vanilla. That was a sarcastic jab at the so called psychics. Loosen up.
      No? I am very angry at the cover up provided by the Aruban government and the Dutch judges.
      By the way HE and I talk all the time to each other. I talk HE listens.

      93: Me too.

    97. Carpe Noctem on January 25th, 2008 1:03 pm

      I hope Julia Renfro sits on

      a super heated bench and burns

      her f’n cooter off, I’ve had enough

      of that ol’ sneaky biatch’s apples!!!


    98. Carpe Noctem on January 25th, 2008 1:33 pm
    99. Vicki on January 25th, 2008 1:38 pm

      anyone with half a brain can see the URINE is guilty of something…besides being an AIRHEAD…with his anger problems and that stupid smirk on his face…Educated 5 more ppl today wearing my sweatshirt…This is the funnist…Went to get CHINESE FOOD and there was WIN A FREE TRIP TO ARUBA,that you fill in the little paper with…hahahahahahahaha I wrote al over it BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE…how LOW can this VILE EVIL ISLAND sink….CHINESE PLACE…hahahahahahahahaha

    100. Susan on January 25th, 2008 1:44 pm

      # 93 – HELL NO THEY CAN’T BE TRUSTED! I found that to be a bit strange myself…

    101. benh on January 25th, 2008 1:46 pm

      greta.Justice in this is to search for the truth give the truth to the judicial system and let the ststem work.But the Aruban goverment did not want the truth to be revealed so a cover up was started and no justice was carried out.

    102. Nut44x4 on January 25th, 2008 2:20 pm

      #93 NO!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! WHY?????

    103. Miss-Underestimated on January 25th, 2008 2:36 pm

      93. I wondered that when the ALE asked Persistence to help with a lost boat that the Persistence couldn’t find? Sounded like a total distracation to me.

    104. LilPuma on January 25th, 2008 2:57 pm

      60. Justice for Natalee. You posted
      “And now DeVries is on the island and also Bill Kurtis of “American Justice/Cold Case” fame.”

      I’m hoping this is true, accurate and happening right now. Is this confirmed?

    105. Carpe Noctem on January 25th, 2008 3:19 pm on January 25th, 2008 10:57 am

      I also love 1906’s #22 post.

      me too. he is absolutely comical

      when he wants to be!

      at times, frigg’n hill-ary-a$$!

      i suspect greta may be dutch.

      for that, i’m sorry.

      “…and that is a real PIDDY.” -peter de vries

      just kidding! i love ya, eurobert & other

      decent dutch people.


    106. Para2legal on January 25th, 2008 3:29 pm

      all, read post#52. ???

    107. Para2legal on January 25th, 2008 3:33 pm

      103 – was the “lost” boat ever “found”?

    108. Libby on January 25th, 2008 3:49 pm

      #103…I thought the same thing. What, did one of the Aruban divers give the signal they were close to something. Or, perhaps one of the Aruban divers found something and needed them to get away from there as soon as possible. Something was way fishy about that.

      What is up with the Aruban divers anyway? They can’t be trusted. This is one of those instances where you want to say wtf?

    109. Para2legal on January 25th, 2008 5:12 pm

      #108 – exactly. This is very disturbing news. I thought The Persistence was in international waters and didn’t have to abide by Aruba’s T&C’s.?
      Check back later, got to go.

    110. lpiefer on January 25th, 2008 6:48 pm

      It’s too bad the Aruban prosecutors can’t promise immunity to one of the 3 suspects if he will tell what happened and where her body is.

    111. JusticeforNatalee on January 25th, 2008 7:17 pm

      Lazlo (usually reliable) confirmed that De Vries is on Aruba and that it was related to NH.

    112. Aminosadinada on January 25th, 2008 7:20 pm

      the three got paid for the deed…they have to comply……no other choise otherwise will be shaken

    113. mayan_moons on January 25th, 2008 7:47 pm

      Ya done right learning that Aruban police diver’s are involved is VERY concerning indeed. I’d really like to know how that got decided and by whom. I’m praying that safegaurds are being implemented atleast pairing up a non-aruban diver with the aruban diver.

      I don’t like this at all and it puts what happened with the so called The Michelle rescue being what we thought it was and that is the crew were getting close to Natalee so a diversion was concocted. Who could give a signal that the ship was getting to close but one who is a part of the dive.

      We’ve been told some item’s of *interest* HAVE been brought up so hopefully the aruban diver’s are being watched the whole time….yet there’s that diversion for assistance to the sailboat.


    114. mayan_moons on January 25th, 2008 7:49 pm


      dang it…

    115. yoyo muffintop on January 25th, 2008 8:20 pm

      #113 – Righhhhht…..and Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks on the WTC, and no plane went into the Pentagon.

      Or better yet there’s reptilian Illuminati who formed a secret world government that controls every country and every human on the planet through mind control. Their human-reptile DNA allows them to take on human form if they consume human blood. George W Bush is a reptilian, as is Queen Elizabeth II, Hillary Clinton and Tony Blair.

    116. kayjay on January 25th, 2008 8:28 pm

      #109 and 110
      My take on this is that in order to be able to conduct this investigation the ALE made it a condition that some of their divers were used. They are probably as distrustful of us as we are of them. Putting the nicest face on it, perhaps they needed their experience….and hopefully they would dive in teams. As far as the tip is concerned I am also thinking that whoever gave it, it was on condition of immunity from any future prosecution…if indeed that is part of their convoluted legal system. Wonder who it was??? Anyone care to take a guess>

    117. brie on January 25th, 2008 8:40 pm

      The problem is the a$$hole cannot tell time. Too many visits to C&C’s!!!

    118. mommytraveler on January 25th, 2008 8:41 pm

      The Lifetime Channel for Women is running a sweepstakes for a trip to Aruba. Geeezzzz – how could they be so stupid. Contact them at:

      and let them know how you feel about The Lifetime Channel – Where Every Women Counts – giving away such a trip.

    119. brie on January 25th, 2008 9:12 pm

      Who said the divers are from Aruba????? I thought we hired our own divers from the US!!!!!

    120. mommytraveler on January 25th, 2008 9:55 pm

      The tip was from a friend of Deepak’s who claimed that in a drunken-drug conversation, Deepak claimed they took Natalee out 10 miles to dispose of her. Of course, unsubstantiated, and the “friend” is probably looking at the reward money if it proves to be true.

      brie – Read the reports from the ship doing the search. They are the ones that said that there are Aruban divers onboard.

    121. anne on January 25th, 2008 11:03 pm

      #118 – Mommy traveler: I tried to email lifetime but they make it very difficult. I just kept getting re-routed to FAQs. So, finally, I decided to enter the contest for Aruba and for my name, I wrote “Boycott Aruba”. For my street address, I wrote Natalee Holloway.

    122. Ray on January 25th, 2008 11:36 pm

      Some people in aruba only use their heads for a HATRACK.


    123. mommytraveler on January 25th, 2008 11:38 pm

      #121 – When you log on to Lifetime, just click on “contact us” and then to go back to the box on the page and follow whatever links you want, you will finally get in somewhere and can leave a message. They do make it hard – but if you are persistant with the FAQ box, you can get to a place where you can comment. You can even ask for a response. We shall see about that. I loved your entry, though!

    124. Carpe Noctem on January 26th, 2008 12:08 am

      I told LIFETIME how I

      feel about their Aruba Sweepstakes

      Giveaway here. Try it!


    125. Ray on January 26th, 2008 1:13 am

      ARUBA an island of cold blooded people.REPTILES.


    126. Para2legal on January 26th, 2008 1:26 am

      If The Persistence is out 10 miles (where Deepak’s friend claims they took Natalee) isn’t that international waters and considered open and not governed by a country? So at 10 miles out are Aruban Police divers needed? Who doesn’t remember when Aruba ignored/refused the FBI Divers who were trying to find Natalee – if I remember correctly they waited 4 days for Aruba to give the o.k. and had to return to the U.S. because they weren’t. This is so very, very suspicious. Was there truly a boat named “Michelle” that was in distress or another Aruban fairy tale?? And if yes didn’t Persistence have markers on where to continue when the search for Michelle was over? Does anyone on this board know John Sivetti that can ask him these questions?

    127. 10061906 on January 26th, 2008 10:23 am

      International waters used to be two miles from shore. Then changed to 12 miles from shore.
      Due the the amount of foreign fishing some countries have declared that past 200 miles is international waters.
      Do not know how Aruba is set up.

    128. 10061906 on January 26th, 2008 10:30 am

      Para2legal 126; Good questions. Depending on the amount of activity Kyle will eventually get back to you. He can be reached at his land email address which is.

      Persistence updates can be found here:

    129. Greta on January 26th, 2008 10:53 am


      greta.Justice in this is to search for the truth give the truth to the judicial system and let the ststem work.But the Aruban goverment did not want the truth to be revealed so a cover up was started and no justice was carried out.

      There is no such thing as justice…at least I don’t believe in judicial system. I’ve been proven over and over again. The only justice i believe in is from the Guy upstairs. If there is a God I’m in good shape, if there is no God , Boy am I f*cked!!

    130. Melissa on January 26th, 2008 12:12 pm

      The Lifetime give away trip is very interesting. When I lived in Aruba, there were a number of years when that particular cable channel was banned after having been around for some time. I had always enjoyed watching that station on Sunday afternoons and when it was banned, it was always my personal opinion that the movies shown too often portrayed women become enpowered and that was a threat to the male powers that be in Aruba.

    131. Para2legal on January 26th, 2008 1:04 pm

      I keep getting blocked even though I’m answering the math question..i don’t know what’s going on.
      Thank you 10061906.

    132. anne on January 26th, 2008 2:18 pm

      Thank you for the link, Carpe. I was able to enter my comments about the giveaway to Aruba and ask for comments back. Will post whatever comes back.

    133. Byron on February 5th, 2008 10:54 am

      Why is there no mention of drugs in this case? (that I know of at least) After watching the video last night of Jorn admitting his guilt, it was easy to see what happened. Natalee was most likel drugged with Ruhipnol (sorry for the spelling but we always called them roofies) or maybe GHB or Gamma Hydroxal Butilate (again, sorry for the spelling). Either of these would have been very easy to slip into a drink, but GHB would be the one I’d expect to make her shake violently and then go into a semi-comma. She would indeed appear dead. Roofies are indeed the date rape drug but they tend to just knock a person out. My guess is leaning toward GHB and I think that the guy he called to come and help him was the same guy that he got the drugs from. That’s the dirt that Jorn has on this guy. It may even be the bartender. Anyway, that’s my guess. At the very least I want to hear someone questioning the whole drug theory. It seems plain as day to me. I know his type.

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