Aruba Sinks to New Low, Part III … Would Rather Report Moonbat Theories Rather than the Obvious in Natalee Holloway Disappearance


The case of missing teen Natalee Holloway has brought out some of the most evil, vile and opportunists that any missing persons case has ever seen. The smear campaigns against both the victim, Natalee Holloway, and her family have been beyond anything ever seen.

Aruba NH Vanderbilt

One would have to ask the obvious question, why? Why in this case, above all others, has there been such a concerted effort by an island, a government and some of its complicit media to smear a family?  We keep coming back to this comment and the fact that cronyism and tourism is above all in Aruba.

It was Tourism-minister Edison Briesen that introduced them to Croes, because he thought that the information was important enough to be included in the judicial investigation.  Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios.

Aruba facade

Was it worse for Aruba to admit the truth that there was actual dangers on the island to tourists, rather than committing to a smear campaign against the victim and her family?

The idea that the many in the Aruban media would rather give a forum to tin foil hat and moon bat insanity rather than what is the obvious evidence against those that are responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance speaks volumes to the attitude and culture in Aruba. Those in the media and it would also appear to be some in government positions would rather smear the name and reputation of those that were tourists in Aruba rather than just biting the bullet and laying blame on one of their own. However, in Aruba, cronyism trumps logic.

The international media is told one story that Aruba cares, yet the Aruban media passed the following off as news in the case of missing Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway. They passed the “moon bat” comments and opinions of “mediums” Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo as hard news. The fact that these two have an obvious agenda make their stories beyond questionable. How is it that these two rocket scientists, (mediums), are some how supposed to know more or have a better understanding and capacity than former FBI profilers like Clint Van Zandt. Or the Dutch scholars who have admitted that the Aruban police acted in an unprofessional manner and had botched the case.


Watch the rest and see what Aruba’s watched on Aruba TV and these two medium’s efforts to smear a missing girl and her family. The premeses, thoughts, hypothesises and conclusions are as misguided and inaccurate as anything one could imagine. Maybe Daniel and Kelly would like to take on the JFK grassy knoll theory next or the kidnapping of the Lindberg baby because they are way off base on this. Making matters worse … some in the Aruban media were complicit.
Our advice to both Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo is that you have a long way to go to ever come up with a rational thought or intelligent conclusion. There is a reason why investigations are done by trained professionals, not rank “medium” armatures.

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    149 Responses to “Aruba Sinks to New Low, Part III … Would Rather Report Moonbat Theories Rather than the Obvious in Natalee Holloway Disappearance”

    1. Jan Jaap on January 20th, 2008 12:17 pm

      One question, which is in the mind of all, is at least answered. How did Natalee get of the Island ? In the private yet of “a friend” of Jug Twitty.

      Questions which remain to be answered are : Did Jug Twitty and “his friend” have sex with Natalee in Aruba, before or after they murdered her ? Did Beth Twitty (ex trailer trash) get paid for the “services” of her daugher ? When I heard his voice in the interview dana did a month ago, I knew there was something sencere evil in his voice.

      The reason that the Twitty´s were going so fast to Aruba, they lied about the time, was to keep the whole internal sick family situation stacked away.

      If any mistakes have been made in the Aruban Crime Investigation than is it a complete absence of any backtracking of Beth and Jug. They OPENLY lie on tv. All evidence directs that Beth and Jug are hard boiled killers. Beth even tries to sell her fairy tail book, to make an extra buck out of it. The whole Operah show, was a 15 minute marketing campaign which reads one line : Buy my book !

      I hope Beth and Jug murder – sexual bestaility case will be handled in Alabamma court. In Aruba we do not have the death panilty. Because that is what these child raping killers are waiting for !
      SM: We have allowed this post for one reason and one reason only … to prove my point in this post that this case has attacked more sick, pathetic bastards than any other missing case ever. It has attracted some of the most evil and vile individuals that usually are found under rocks. The fact that this post comes from the Netherlands is of no surprise.

      The stupidity and lack of any soul by some no longer comes as a surprise … it is in fact expected.

      I will make you a deal Jan Jaap. Let’s have Aruba investigate your claims and let’s bring Joran, Deepak and Satish to the United States to stand trial in the disappearance and murder of Natalee Holloway. Let’s have Paul VDS join them.

      What say you?

      And by the way … may God have mercy on your twisted soul.


    2. minnesota dad on January 20th, 2008 12:18 pm

      Both of these yutzes are from California.

      How much you want to bet that they are cocktail drinking buddies of Steve Cohen or someone from his Crisis Management PR firm (which I believe is located out of California).

      Further, you have Deepak & Satish’s lawsuit out of California (with, of course some slimey attorneys out of Chicago). What happened to that lawsuit and who is paying their attorney’s fees?

      Again, everyone keeps trying to further distance Paulus Van Der Sloot from his crimes. Why is this?


    3. minnesota dad on January 20th, 2008 12:28 pm

      Steve Cohen’s purpose per AM Digital:

      Therefore Steve’s purpose for the next couple of months is to counter arrest all false information because Aruba is the same as 6 months ago. The Judicial system is working. We are a country with order where all that violate the law are punished.

      Aruba has the best police force and the best Public Prosecutor, certainly in the Caribbean and that is the kind of message that we must be sending out to the American people, according to Cohen. He will make use of all media that are willing to listen to the other side of the coin.


      So…how much you wanna bet that these two wackjobs are either cocktail buddies of Steve Cohen’s. Steve’s job is to counter anything negative to Aruba. The Oprah show, followed up by the wine bath of Peter De Vries needed some serious counterpunches this week.

      This is what Aruba could come up with. God, these people are pathetic. Aruba…small hint….arrest Paulus and end this thing.


    4. JusticeforNatalee on January 20th, 2008 12:30 pm

      Posted in the forum by GEL/Originally posted by
      Angelalala @BFN

      email from Aruba

      The spiritualists had an appointment with the largest radio station on the island (Canal 90) yesterday, but did not show up. The director called me to ask whether I knew that it was a member of this very corrupt government who brought them here. I confirmed his suspicions. It was the son of the former MInister of Justice (Hendrik Croes) and nephew of the present MInister of Justice (Rudy Croes) who made all the arrangements. However, theirs was a one-day show that blew up in their faces. So much for that!

    5. brie on January 20th, 2008 12:55 pm

      JQK is going to put them through the meat grinder!

    6. mayan_moons on January 20th, 2008 1:06 pm

      Jaap… that you Jurine? You’re the one who likes beastiality don’t ya. Not suprising seeing as how a dog or donkey can’t say NO!

      You are an idiot!

    7. Maggie on January 20th, 2008 1:26 pm

      Steve Cohen worked as a spokesman for tourism and had access to the police files. His job was to counter arrest false information. Steve Cohen was a paid liar. He appeared on Dr. Phil’s show to say he and the prosecutor believe these 3 did something terrible to Beth’s daughter. He also made the statement, he expects them to be charged with rape and murder. He led Beth’s family on another wild goose chase along with Arlene Shippers saying cops were waiting for Joran to come home for Christmas, and they were making a list..gonna bring all back in for questioning. When the time came, he said well they can’t be brought in unless they want to come in. Last time he was seen on tv.. He was on Rita Cosby’s show. Rita said is that Paulus on that casino tape by Natalee? Steve said he had been busy on the road and hadn’t look at it yet, but he would and let her know.. Pooof Steve was more Steve on tv.. Why aren’t the Kalpoes suing him? Don’t he have the big bucks they are after? After all he said 2 of them had sex with her and he expected them to be charged with murder and kidnapping. Later he went on to say well they said they had sex with her, but not officially on the record. So where did he get that info from?

      Steve Cohen
      December 7, 2005

      A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

      AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

      The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

      Steve Cohen
      January 28, 2006

      Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
      By Hazel Heyer

      “Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee’s will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation,” said Cohen.
      Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee’s physical state at the time of disappearance. “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice.” said Cohen.

    8. nurturer on January 20th, 2008 1:34 pm

      #1 – In Aruba you don’t have the ‘death panilty’??

      Maybe you’d have it, if you could spell it.

    9. Maggie on January 20th, 2008 1:44 pm

      One question for you Jan.. Natalee disappeared after leaving Carlos n Charlies in the company of Joran, Deepak, and Satish… Jug and Beth were in the USA.. Natalee was never seen again once she left Carlos n Charlies with them. How did Satish pick Joran up and yet.. they say Joran walked home that night? Jug and Beth have came in and answered questions any time they asked. Joran just likes going on tv answering questions, because those people don’t have the police statements to question him on his lies and previous statements. He don’t like being questioned by authorities. He might mess up.. that is their own words..

      Freedom of press is ok, but didn’t Oduber try to shut Jossy up and lost. Their idea of freedom of press is to slander tourist victims while sending people out to bring in more? Let some people who say the opposite go to Aruba and ask for air time. See if they get it..

      It’s all Renfro and her group anyway.. ya know Friends of the Sloots. I am surprised Paulus is a lawyer bad as his “amnesia” is.

      I really hope they keep on talking,digging a hole deeper and deeper for themselves and your letter is another example of it.

    10. JusticeforNatalee on January 20th, 2008 2:06 pm

      In Aruba, you DO have the death penalty.
      It was inflicted upon Natalee, an innocent American tourist.

    11. chris on January 20th, 2008 2:07 pm

      This is short notice, and most folks are not sitting in front of the computer unlike me who has no life haha.
      If anyone of the monkeys is from Texas, preferably the Metroplex area, there is a travel show at Arlington Convention Ctr until 4pm. I see that Aruba has a booth and would like to know how many people actually stop by. I’m not able to go and it kills me to not be able to give them a few well chosen suggestions….

    12. nurturer on January 20th, 2008 2:08 pm

      #2 – California, huh?

      I wonder if those are California tattoos?

      Prison tats, maybe?

      San Quentin?


    13. JusticeforNatalee on January 20th, 2008 2:10 pm

      Ignore Jan the Jerk.
      He or she has no soul or heart.

    14. JusticeforNatalee on January 20th, 2008 2:20 pm

      One thing, Red:
      I don’t think the media can even hide behind free speech if they promote libel and slander that they KNOW is a lie and attempt to smear.

      Of course, that is US law, not Aruban “law.” I’m sure in Aruba, there would be a loophole or the law not likely being enforced at all.
      Hmmmm sound familiar?

    15. buster on January 20th, 2008 2:23 pm

      It’s O.K. Jan Jaap You cant help it that your mom and her brother had sex 9 months before you where born, That’s why your kind stay on that one crappy island.

    16. buckeye on January 20th, 2008 2:28 pm

      Mos said other scenarios had been reviewed. These nuts have been around, with their story for two years.

      Is Croes accusing, not only the Aruban police dept. but also the KLPD, of NOT investigating this case?? They concluded the boys are guilty but for some reason, they don’t have strong enough evidence to convict?

      I don’t believe that all possibilities were not examined.

    17. Scared Monkeys on January 20th, 2008 2:38 pm

      Here is the logic to moon bats illogic…

      To actually dispel the conclusions and opinions of these two fools means one actually has to say to themselves … what if a presume all that they are saying is true and go from there. Of course that means that one’s head and soul would implode as it would mean talking as the truth for arguments sake … some of the most hair brained and ignorant thoughts and accusations ever.

      Here is the case of good vs evil. We are not supposed to believe that Joran, Deepak and Satish, the last and admitted people to be seen with NH had nothing to do with her disappearance, yet some how this baked up moon bat theory and premise of incest and abuse is some how supposed to be fact.

      Here is the insanity of the NH pregnant premise that these 2 idiots and the Dark Side have put forth for well over 2 years. Let’s pretend in some bizarre parallel universe (otherwise known as Aruba this is true) … tell me this?

      If she was supposedly pregnant and in the first trimester how was she not sluggish or throwing up all the time? One would hardly be getting on a plane, spending time in the heat and partying in bars and clubs. Dancing would have been about the last thing that she would have wanted to do.

      If it was the second trimester, why was she not showing? Hmmm…

      Oh yes, then there is as the two village idiots reported … the Holloway/Twitty dirty little secret that NH was being abused and Beth knew about it. If this was supposedly such a family dirty little secret then why did the family have NH get rid of the baby? Wouln’t that have been the obvious choice if such a heinous act had occurred and people were trying to conceal the fact?

      So the following is obviously true about the more than stupid conclusions and accusations that have been perpetrated on the victim, Natalee, and her family … it was done by sick people with an agenda. This has always been the stupidity and the evilness of the accusation.

      Even if take it as true … it makes no sense, let alone knowing that it was not.

      The fact that so many have gone out of their way to go after the character and reputations of the victims and her family speaks volumes to the concerted agenda put forth by many behind the scenes that we are seeing have absolute ties and agendas with VDS’s, opposition media and govt officials.


    18. Maggie on January 20th, 2008 3:23 pm

      Remember this story from Steve Dunleavy.. in the New York Post..


      May 30, 2006 — THE memories for Beth Holloway Twitty came flooding back.
      Memories of a beautiful young daughter, Natalee, whose passionate love of life vanished on the island of Aruba exactly one year ago today.

      But also nightmare memories – of a frustrating, bumbling investigation on the island and ugly threats against her life.

      “One of the several threats I received was that if I stayed on the island, I would be chopped up in little pieces, put in a fish trap and floated out to sea,” she said.

      John Q. Kelly, her Manhattan-based lawyer, who on the stand chopped O.J. Simpson into little pieces in a civil suit, told me:

      “Obviously, we don’t know exactly where those threats came from, and the police there don’t seem to care. But there is a huge back-street drug market on the island and, frankly, a lot of people don’t want Americans poking around there.

      “The investigation has been a terrible example of a mixture of utter incompetence and corruption.”

      Dave Holloway, Natalee’s father and Beth’s ex-husband, told me, “Three weeks after Natalee’s disappearance, the assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit the case.

      “She indicated to me she pointed police in the obvious direction . . . and they ignored her.”

      I caught up with Beth Holloway on the phone as she was boarding a flight to Montreal to expand an organization she started, Safe Travels Foundation.

      “It is to inform people before going to foreign places how to proceed locally if faced with a crisis,” she said.

      “I’m extremely unwelcome in Aruba, so we could not even have a memorial service for Natalee one year after her disappearance. I’ll never set foot on that island again.”

      “Nor will I,” echoed Dave.

      As for me – I once spent a vacation there, but I wouldn’t go back if they paid me.

    19. Patti on January 20th, 2008 4:07 pm

      Now that they know that we know what they do to virgins, they feel the need to continue their onslaught against the reputation of Natalee. From the minute Beth stepped foot on Aruba, Natalee’s sexual status was the single thing that they attacked the most. From the early statements of the perps, which were self-incriminating, to the personal attacks against Beth; it is obvious that Natalee’s virginity was the one thing they wanted to be kept quiet.

      We’re not fooled, we know why…



      How could they, possibly, explain

      what is found in the Chicago Videos?


      Boycott Aruba!

    20. Jan Jaap on January 20th, 2008 4:31 pm

      Quote Maggie: ” “I (Beth Twit) ’m extremely unwelcome in Aruba, so we could not even have a memorial service for Natalee one year after her disappearance. I’ll never set foot on that island again.””

      Yoohoo !! … the best news I have read so far.

      PS. Red : I will come back to your proposal in an hour, I am making some ruch phonecalls to officials to talk terms on your proposal, which is not that easy at a sunday 9:30 pm local time ! Latest tomorrow ! … And since we are still in a “no body no case” scenario, I guess we will the coming years !

    21. Sharon Chicago on January 20th, 2008 4:33 pm

      Their twisted comments are so bizarre and have so many holes in them they look like swiss cheese.
      They cannot believe that the average person is that stupid can they?

      I guess they can because they are!

      Totally hired by the killers to spin the truth and make Beth and Jug look like they are guity…but they have failed totally. Those low lifes should crawl back under their rock.

    22. Patti on January 20th, 2008 4:46 pm

      Look in the bush behind the painter for a body lying on her stomach with her left arm raised up in the air like the statute of Liberty.

      A virgin, sacrificed to the gods.

      That’s what this is all about…


    23. Hoepelman on January 20th, 2008 4:48 pm

      Edison Briesen has taken a positive step towards the reconstruction of Aruba’s tainted image…just intermediate the impact of this couple as publicist for the tourism promotion machinery. I think it’s a fabulous step… just after the presentation of Castillo and Young, Meet Aruba has been able to conclude the organization of its first convention… the celebration of the 7th Annual Meeting of the World Association of Sorcerers, where participants are expected to enjoy out-of-body experiences, attend voodoo rituals, as well as wicca spell seminars and spend leisure time channeling around the white beaches in the daytime, and at night, they’ll be playing the Quija Board and Tarot readings, in the Casinos.

      Rabbit feet and car tails for Briesen, a true worshiper of the occult!

    24. Sharon Chicago on January 20th, 2008 4:51 pm

      These two nuts are in an Aruban conspiracy probably with Julie R. watch, Julie will come forth for her cameo appearance and will side with them and confess all she knows, and they will continue to stand and point their finger at Beth. This will be Arubans plot to turn their tourism back on…

      It won’t work it will backfire on them.

      They look like they could use a good bath and a shave. Were they living on the streets of LA?

    25. brie on January 20th, 2008 5:57 pm

      SM…why are our posts vanishing while we are still typing? Thanks! I’ll try again!!

    26. dennisintn on January 20th, 2008 6:16 pm

      #we, hopelsman, you are just too cool. i’ll just bet briesen’s hoping for some more “vanishment” acts too, so they can start a tale about natalee just practicing for the stunt and “something bad happened”. julia can surely find a few cabdrivers or maids, or bartenders with perfect recall to be credible witnesses for it.

    27. brie on January 20th, 2008 6:16 pm

      SM…people cannot post because we all vanishing as we post!

    28. brie on January 20th, 2008 6:28 pm

      You really get tired of having to retype your post….I will try again…if you go to update someone posted while you were typing..and your post was lost!

    29. Klaasend on January 20th, 2008 6:31 pm

      Test post. Brie – if you are having problems with posting you should probably email Dugga. There’s a link on the front page for emailing him. Dugga is in charge of technical issues. I’m not having any problem.

    30. Cerril on January 20th, 2008 6:32 pm

      The two Americans with their strange stories are indeed unbelievable. Only one thing I wonder is that (according to Beth’s book)
      Beth reports she knew immediately, within seconds of receiving “the call” that Natalee had been kidnapped in Aruba yet the first poster she distributed in Aruba read like this:
      “Please call me Hootie, I miss you and love you. Mom is here on Aruba and I really want to talk to you. Please call me on my local cell phone XXX XXX” Big Hootie.
      Nobody talked about this first poster Beth came to Aruba with. Beth’s first poster appears to make it clear that she had insight into Natalee having absconded of her own free will.
      Somebody can explain?
      SM: She didn’t come to Aruba with that poster. That particular poster was thrown together by none other than Julia Renfro. Now…do me a favor and go back to the Refugee site (klaasend)

    31. benh on January 20th, 2008 6:46 pm

      jan japp,,INTERESTING YOU MENTION BEASTIALITY IN YOUR POST sounds like you know more than you should as soon as i saw that i wondered if you were from Aruba .Red said posted from Netherlands.If there was beastiality involved it was done by joran satish deepak.

    32. Cerril on January 20th, 2008 6:56 pm

      SM, the fact is the poster EXISTS! Even if Julia came with it the question remains: Who made this poster? Don’t tell me it is Julia. Who knows in Aruba that Beth is calling her daughter Hootie and herself Big Hootie?

      What are you talking about? Go back to the refugee site? I don’t know this site but you make me curious… I will take a look. Thanks.
      SM: Here is a possible scenerio. Beth and Jug arrive in Aruba. Julia Renfro offers assistance and tells them she’ll help them create a poster. Julia Renfro says to Beth, do you have any nicknames you use for eachother? Renfro takes it upon herself to word the poster as it was worded. (klaasend)

    33. benh on January 20th, 2008 7:06 pm

      got an idea but iam not good on computers. Lets use that slander,lets send it to all companys who do buisness with Aruba and game shows that give away vacations there.Let them see what kind of people they do buisness with.

    34. LilPuma on January 20th, 2008 7:25 pm

      I lost a post earlier also. I was sooooo ready to hit submit and “bam!” it was gone and I was on the front page again, not here in the posting zone.

      Reading posts 1 and 20, I’d like to think this will get interesting, but I doubt JanJaap can deliver.

      23. Hoepelman. I like his/her style.

    35. benh on January 20th, 2008 7:25 pm

      They must be so afraid of Oprah Winfrey that they thought this would be a good defense,AS they thought Steve Cohen would make a good spokesman for Aruba and we all know every time he opened his mouth he damaged Aruba.God BLESS NATALEE HOLLOWAY and her FAMILY.

    36. Cerril on January 20th, 2008 7:41 pm

      That is why I think the origin of the first poster must be investigated. Who made it and were Beth and Jug acquainted with the content. Ok if you are right and Julia Renfro put together the message why Beth and Jug did not stop the publication?
      It is all confusing and because of this poster issue we have to exclude the possibility Natalee deliberate missed her flight.
      SM: OH PLEASE – let’s not even start this. Natalee did not intentionally miss her flight. The FBI, ALE, KLPD all know this. The FBI, ALE and KLPD all still believe JK2 are the prime suspects as well in the disappearance and death of Natalee (klaasend)

    37. benh on January 20th, 2008 7:44 pm

      jan jaap,Since you accuse Beth and Jugg mi challange you to post with your real name are at least some of it as i do.Be a man or Woman make those accusations with your name .

    38. benh on January 20th, 2008 8:11 pm

      This will be my last post for this evening,but first i would like to think the Aruban board of tourism and goverment your slander has revitalized me my postings here were few and far between but your slander has awoken me from my slumber.I will now do what ever i can to turn people away from your country as a place to vacation.GOD BLESS NATALEE HOLLOWAY and her FAMILY

    39. Hoepelman on January 20th, 2008 8:18 pm

      If one looks at this situation coldly, having these two clowns on TV to state their visions of what happened to Natalee, is just an indication that the local government needs to place the blame of what’s happening to Aruba’s economic, on the Holloway-Twittys.

      Yes, the story of the disappearance and the PR nightmare it has created has affected economic performance. But the truth of the matter is that according to indicators published by the UN, which were reprinted here on SMs, Aruba’s economy began hurting as of the year 2000, when the margin premium they were able to command in hotel accommodation prices during 1995-1999, began to shrink. The tourism authorities failed to foresee that as more rooms became available, the greater the possibility for reduced accommodation rates, the less exclusive the island became, the less control they could exercise over room prices.

      The Natalee Holloway case is the result of the already deteriorated Aruban tourism market, which prompted authorities to conceal the crime, as a means to avoid a scandal that took place anyways, on an escalated dimension.

      Their fear grew into terror and it translated into inertia, which eventually hurt the island more than an admission of fear that could have translated into positive proactive actions that would have send out the right signals to the tourism market and the local population.

      The authorities are once again afraid of the fear of the political disaster that could happen, if things continue the way they are. So they have to blame Beth and her ex. Soon enough, it will blow in their faces too. When these mediums loose the temporary effectiveness they could have on the segment of the Aruban audience that could classify as relatively ignorant, whom are they going to resort to?

    40. Hoepelman on January 20th, 2008 8:43 pm

      Cerril, you have not been able or willing to give the poster thing up, since 2005. Maybe the poster thing should have been investigated further so that you wouldn’t have to hold on to this possibility for so long. But unfortunately, due procedure in a timely fashion was not followed in the investigation of events, so that all possible leads could have been followed opportunely.

      So Dutch on Aruba, let go of it… it’s ALE’s fault that the poster is not yet investigated two and a half years later. Talk to Ben Vocking, if he admits interference, maybe the Prosecutors Office could have a chance of reopening the investigation to review relevant aspects of it, including the Hootie poster.

    41. kayjay on January 20th, 2008 8:51 pm

      The arguments about who put what and when and where on this poster crop up quite a lot. Did Beth refer to this in her book? In any event I believe what Beth says she did and din’t do. It must have been so nerve wracking and worrying when she first arrived I am surprised she kept as calm as she did. Also even if ‘kidnapping’was put on a poster, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to me …just a bad choice of words when probably they meant to and should have put ‘missing’. If they has put ‘raped and murdered’ I would have raised an eyebrow..and that is imo what really happened.

    42. mommytraveler on January 20th, 2008 8:59 pm

      As stated before, Aruba is STUCK ON STUPID. Nobody is believing these new lies and it makes the whole island look more STUPID than ever.

      Economic disaster is going to snowball. I recently made an inquiry to an Aruban Hotel just to check of availability during the supposedly “high period” – vacancies abound everywhere. When I asked them to convince me to come to Aruba – their reply was a 15% discount. I pressed them further, the discount became 25%. Then 35%. I inquired about safety and drugs. No further replies. Imagine that – a hotel faced with an potential group of 100 people not being able to discuss safety and drugs. Makes a person go Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    43. Steven on January 20th, 2008 9:25 pm

      I only saw the first part and do not want to waste my time viewing the rest, however I do want to know: Did Beth lie about her time of arrival? Yes or No. If No, is that not enough to start a law suit against these alligations?
      SM: No, Beth did not lie and yes I imagine she could start a law suit against Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young. To be honest, they (Kelly/Daniel) don’t look like they can afford an attorney though. (klaasend)

    44. linda on January 20th, 2008 10:57 pm


      How are you,very long time!!
      This whole psychic thing is so stupid,but also really mean and sick..
      I do not understand this case,how is it possible that the mother of a missing child is being attacked like this all the time.
      I don’t know what happened in this case and will not judge anybody,but attacking this family is the last thing I would do.
      So Jan Jaap..whatever!!!!!!

      SM: Hi Linda – good to hear from you. What can AHATA possibly be thinking? These two have been trying to peddle their lies for 2 years. This same story was posted in BonDia back in April 2006. Why on earth would they be on TV now? Makes you wonder who is affraid of what in Aruba. (klaasend)

    45. on January 20th, 2008 11:15 pm

      I attacked this garbage put out by Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young the same way Red did. First, suppose that everything these “mediums” say is actually true. Yes, it defies imagination but just run with the flow:

      Joran, Deepak and Satish have to be the unluckiest people on earth that they would go to pick up an American tourist (admitted in the IM chats) and of all the girls, they choose one that is pregnant by her step-father. They ride off into the sunset with Natalee and from there forward can’t seem to tell the truth about where they went, when they got home and how Joran got home. To top it all off, Joran looses his shoes, which he later lies about the actual size of.

      Now why on earth would these so unlucky fellows lie and lie and lie if indeed Joran left Natalee on the beach and she ran away? And interestingly enough, Paulus because also very unlucky when he tells the boys “no body no case”. Again, we know this happened because the boys say so in the police car.

      Very strange that Papa Sloot invites the boys to sit around the Sloot pool and get their stories straight if indeed the boys dropped Natalee off at the beach, she met yet someone else and ran away from home. Why didn’t she tell Joran what she was planning? Why did she supposedly beg him to stay with her on the beach if all along she was planning to run away?

      Next, according to the Mediums, Natalee lived on Aruba for two weeks before she died of a drug over dose. Okay, where did she live? Who are the people who actually saw Natalee between May 29, 2005 and the two weeks later when she died? Where is her body? The Mediums say something about knowing where her body is – where is it? This could clear up a lot. Why has no one come forward with this information for 2.5 years?

      Julia Renfro knows about all this and had hours of TV time and yet chose not to tell anyone in the media about this? Fascinating. She must really hate Aruba that she would allow all these Arubans to “suffer” for 2.5 years with a terrible economy simply because she won’t come forth with evidence and proof.

      Why can’t Joran to this day show us how he got home? Why do their computers so evidence of tampering? Why did Deepak have to hit the jackpot with a lying witness?

      If Beth knew that Natalee was being sexually abused and she and Natalee had such a terrible relationship, why did Beth drop everything and run to Aruba? Why would she and jug not just have seen this as “problem solved”?

      You see – none of this makes any sense or ties in with any of the circumstances and evidence that we know! It’s totally complete hogwash.

      I also have problems with the screen refreshing.

    46. Allan on January 20th, 2008 11:41 pm

      Aruba’s tourism intelligence is truly inept. What a vile and despicable island!

      We all know that Natalee is missing because of criminals that wander the islands. We also know who the criminals are, Paulus, Joran, etc to many to name.

      We also know it was a cover-up from the start.

      I hope you get sued this time and get that Julia witch off the broom she is helping destroy your island.

    47. Patti on January 20th, 2008 11:49 pm

      At first, Rudy Croes called this an Indian Story

      when nothing that Joran or the Kaloes said ever

      added up to anything close to the truth.

      Now, he gives this story credence, while ignoring

      a full confession and evidence in this case.


      Indian Stories?!?!


      Arawaks are NOT make believe…


    48. minnesota dad on January 20th, 2008 11:55 pm

      Well, well, well…..this article is an interesting read:

      Here is a priceless quote from our friends at AHATA:

      eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?

      Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, they’ve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which we’ll have to counter.

      From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think we’ve turned the corner.

      eTN: With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?

      Briesen: I don’t know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. It’s been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I don’t know what other reasons there exist. We’ve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. We’ve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.


      I believe it is pretty clear. Aruba has made it official policy to defend the cover-up of a rape and murder on their island by propagating a couple of whackjobs to spin a story.

      So, approximately April 10th, 2006 they unveiled the whackjobs to slam the Holloway/Twitty family (yes, as the boycott was fully in force and killing Aruba).

      The Aruban press presents these whackjobs as American Private Eyes. But a little googling reveals they are nothing more than ‘crystal ball readers’.

      To legitimize their ‘medium’ business, they established a website on June 10, 2006 (Essentially to make them look credible). A quick visit to their website gives you the feeling that these are not “Private Eyes” as trumpeted by Aruba, but rather appear to be goofballs that think they are close to the dead because they have “indian blood” (I guess indian blood has mystical powers).

      Here’s the website:

      Someone, please try to help me justify the title of “American Private Eyes” that Aruba wants to attribute to these two!


    49. Kath on January 21st, 2008 12:00 am

      Come on Joran, show your colors here…Have a conversation with Red, and Dana, We’d like to be able to ask the questions that we have held for so long.

      Dugga pop-ups are still happening, so is the refreshing problem

    50. minnesota dad on January 21st, 2008 12:22 am

      Do people agree with me that when one looks at my post #48, the AHATA folks have been actively counter PRing against bad news that would hurt tourism?

      Doesn’t this make them complicit in the rape and murder of Natalee Holloway? Rather than supporting going after the predators (per Dompig, Mos, and others on rape island), they have actively and now admittedly engaged in a disinformation campaign.

      Shame Aruba….shame big time.


    51. dennisintn on January 21st, 2008 12:25 am

      if i remember correctly, the telephone numbers on that first poster are julia renfro’s and munzenhofer’s numbers. beth would have had to way of knowing what telephone numbers to give the printer before she got to the island. her cell phone would have been as useless as natalee’s. brieson and croes and croes’ bagman brother knew the klpd and a.l.e. had all ready investigated these outlandish claims in 2006. remember mos’ statement that all the other theories they investigated had been outright lies or highly unlikely to have been able to happen. i think this garbage falls under his “lies” category. brieson and croes have listened to the wrong advice from the dirty tricks dept. of steve cohen’s political campaign pr firm once again, and this time will cost the island dearly. apologies and excuses will not get them off the hook this time. wait till fox gets this one.

    52. Bob on January 21st, 2008 12:26 am

      This latest attack from ARUBA is all the justification needed to begin Phase II of the great ARUBA BOYCOTT of 2008.

      I have absolutely no doubt what-so-ever that whomever has advised the “powers that be” in Aruba that this perverted story line is an appropriate counter to the global bad publicity film clip of Joran’s wine incident which cast Aruba as a nation of buffoons, is the worst possible tact they could have taken. They have effectively turned Aruba into the least desirable travel destination in the Western Hemisphere. Completely mind boggeling.

    53. Carpe Noctem on January 21st, 2008 12:27 am

      Looks like these Aruba losers are

      getting more desperate than ever.


      Keep stickin’ it to ‘em.

      Love ya, Nat and family! ;-)


    54. mayan_moons on January 21st, 2008 12:31 am

      I have problems with the threads refreshing too for several days.

    55. mayan_moons on January 21st, 2008 12:48 am

      Aruba has been stuck on stupid from the get go no doubt about it but they’ve gotton away with this behaviour for soo long (before the internet) they see no reason to act responsibly coz they had no one to answer to.

      Well my mY haven’t things changed when we have MD quoting Bredisen (sp) ADMITTING that Aruba has taken *A POUNDING LIKE THEY’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE” yet thinks they will still be able to ride this out as they have for decades.

      Sorry to tell you pathetic PR einstein’s but WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE OR LETTING UP ON YOUR LYING ASS’S NOT EVEN FOR A DAY!

      COUNT ON IT!~

    56. mayan_moons on January 21st, 2008 1:06 am

      MD… darn right it makes them complicit as accessories after the fact of the kidnapping, rape and premeditated murder (Karin Jansen’s words) of Natalee Holloway!

    57. Bob on January 21st, 2008 1:16 am

      “Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, they’ve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which we’ll have to counter.”

      Counter? You imbecile, you have sealed Aruba’s fate. In comparison to Beth, you will never be more than a footnote. An insignificant footnote.

    58. mayan_moons on January 21st, 2008 1:18 am

      Hey Carpe!

      Got your email & sent a reply. Would you please post the link to your photo album again for all those who are reeling after reading how Aruban’s trash Natalee & the family yet may not have seen it or your updated version?


    59. minnesota dad on January 21st, 2008 2:09 am


      That is what baffles me the most. AHATA is worse than Joran. They could have just kept their mouths shut. Instead, they put these Whackos on their TV stations to attempt to counter Joran’s misconduct with Peter De Vries and Oprah.

      How stupid can you be???!??!

      Hello Aruba, I am for hire. I will charge you $1 million per year, but I will provide you with persistent advice regarding how to handle the Holloway situation. It is pretty basic. Shut the hell up! Everyone knows that it is a cover-up. Why continue to counterpunch when you are already exposed. JUST SHUT UP!!!!


    60. Ray on January 21st, 2008 2:18 am

      Is it possible that Jossy Mansur is the only person in aruba that has a conscience. Well maybe a few at his newspaper.


    61. Ray on January 21st, 2008 2:25 am

      #1 RED
      Maybe that was joran posting. Sounds like something a DUTCH pervert would post.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA and everything DUTCH

    62. minnesota dad on January 21st, 2008 2:36 am

      Where is YOYO or Amsterdamned……

      Seems to me that any time it heats up, they show up. This seems like one of those times.

      We have caught AHATA admitting that they are trying to counter with their own PR to the Oprah show as well as Joran’s wine throwing incident.

      It is now pretty clear to anyone that is halfway rational….Aruba has admitted that they are trying to spin the Natalee Holloway case after covering it up.


    63. brie on January 21st, 2008 3:07 am

      Rudy Croes is a failure as Minister of Justice and he knows that….didn’t do your job….Colombia was your priority. You well know what direction this case faces…Joran, Paulus and the Kalpoes. Your a f’ng idiot…do you still have sex slaves in bondage, pathetic POS.

    64. mayan_moons on January 21st, 2008 3:10 am

      MD it baffles me too for all the reasons you cited. The PR people ARE worse than Jurine opening up their pie hole to stick their foot in it again. After a few months of the nonesense in the beginning i thought good lord are these people for real? They think this is how to handle the worst PR nightmare in the history of Aruba? I’m still shaking my head two and a half years later watching them shoot themselves in the foot over & over again.

    65. brie on January 21st, 2008 3:20 am

      Joran was the main suspect….why?

      Last person to have been with Natalee
      Uncontrolled temper
      Thru someone off the bridge
      Killed his dog
      Steals from tourists
      Breaks care windshields
      Drowned a 7 yr old boy
      Admitted his sexual abuse 20 times
      Physically beat up his brother
      Thru a 18 yr old tourist into a plate glass window
      Violates and lies about his age and who he is
      And there’s more….he is a criminal and comes from a dysfunctional family!!!!!

    66. brie on January 21st, 2008 3:24 am

      The warden at the prison can verify his uncontrolled temper…has known him for a very long time…Joran is a sociopath and has severe mental problems..

    67. brie on January 21st, 2008 3:53 am

      Beth and Dave have both written books of truth!!!!!

      They way they were treated and the things that happened. Disgusting Aruba!!!

      You piss ass freaks need to be arrested…employed by whom? We’ll find out!

      You can’t solve the crime because you didn’t want to so now you resort to trailer park trash!!!!

      I’m sure the independent people of Aruba and Jossy, who protects them, think this is disgusting!

    68. Dan on January 21st, 2008 5:42 am

      Your days are numbered Aruba, if you think we as americans will go away, your sadly mistaken. This boycott will go on till the truth comes out. This is what makes america so great, we all stick together no matter what when it comes to one of our own. You can say what you will and it just makes you look more stupid than before you spoke the last time. How ironic, if the truth would of came out a long time ago , your sad island could be on the road to recovery, but instead, you pamper the one’s who know the truth and protect them. I have Twenty bucks that says you would not let your daughter be alone with the 3 boys in question!! Well that is if she was as attractive as Natalee. Your island is going to suffer even more than before, so many more people are getting into this story than ever and is spreading like a forest fire. If I were you I would think about the future and start setting up soup lines for everyone who has to live there.

    69. mommytraveler on January 21st, 2008 9:12 am

      The refreshing issue is annoying and is preventing posts.

    70. mommytraveler on January 21st, 2008 9:17 am

      Breisen: “We’ve opened our doors to help the family solve THEIR ISSUE.”

      Message to Breisen: “THEIR ISSUE” This is Aruba’s issue. This will be Aruba’s issue until Natalee is found and the criminals prosecuted for this crime. The Holloway- Twitty family have a missing daughter and her name is Natalee Holloway. Why can’t you people even mention her name – it’s Natalee. She is not an ISSUE.

      Aruba continues to sink. Try making a reservation, you can get one anywhere, anytime and name your price – they are desperate.

    71. mommytraveler on January 21st, 2008 9:19 am

      The only way I can post is by copying and pasting from my word program. Otherwise, the refreshing issue happens and Poof the reply goes away.

    72. dennisintn on January 21st, 2008 10:03 am

      aruba won’t even prosecute the gang-rape of a l6 yr. old islander. the rapists phone-piced the rape and still no charges were ever made. at least the perps were asked nicely to erase the pics from the phones and please do not put them on the internet. of course the child had to leave the island and her family to complete her schooling and avoid the embarassment and fear of it happening again, and not having to face the rapists on a day to day basis.

    73. JusticeforNatalee on January 21st, 2008 10:36 am

      “We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which we’ll have to counter.”
      Counter what, you moron? A mother going on TV to talk about her beloved dead daughter and the need for truth and justice so she can have some peace?

      Aruba morons in charge of PR–any time you slander the Holloways, you dig Aruba into a deeper hole.

      Put the perps in jail–THAT is how you fix your image.

      Aruba gets to move on when the Holloways get to move on–when Beth and Dave have TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

    74. JusticeforNatalee on January 21st, 2008 10:40 am


      Due to slander and more lies coming from Aruba–

      Now more than ever:


    75. Miss-Underestimated on January 21st, 2008 10:43 am

      Enough of the BS already.

      “The suspect confessed and is leading the police to the body”

      “Something bad happened to Natalee”

      The Aruban LE and the infamous journalist(s) on the island are a herd of lying pigs.

      The hammer of justice will someday fall on your lying heads.

      Daniel and Kelly have you been the ones leading this investigation from the get go? Sounds like the same rubbish that hijacked and distracted this investigation the day after the “suspect confessed”

      God willing and by the grace of SM I and the other posters here seeking justice for Natalee are here for the long haul.

      PS I see Aruba, you have been blessed another deserted day at the beach.

    76. margaret wever on January 21st, 2008 10:43 am

      I have remained professional throughout the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, since The News in the afternoon, and Diario the next morning published that she had been missing. What I write here is my personal opinion, not that of neither The News, nor the Associated Press, but I have had it with all these people who claim to know that Natalee Holloway is dead and have all kinds of stories, accusing many people in their poorly defined, unsupported and unproven conspiracy theories. Natalee’s disappearance is indeed a mystery and until someone shows up with real proof, people should be careful with who they publicly point fingers at, especially Beth. Maybe people have seen her laugh or have a drink or trying to enjoy dinner, but have you also seen the extreme and fast weight loss and when she broke down after a few days and when she would not talk to anyone because she simply was exhausted and too tired and grieving? There are more sides to a story and I know that justice – whenever it does and whatever comes out of this, will prevail!
      “I have said what I had to say, and this is hopefully the first and last time I will voice my personal opinion.

    77. dennisintn on January 21st, 2008 10:53 am

      #76, margaret wever, don’t go away. we need your voice to help carry the message that natalee needss to be brought home, and the prosecution of the perps is the only thing that will help accomplish that.

    78. diverboy on January 21st, 2008 11:07 am

      Wait till John Kelly gets done with these two losers. He will sue the nipple rings off both of these bozos.

    79. benh on January 21st, 2008 11:11 am


    80. minnesota dad on January 21st, 2008 11:13 am

      Thanks Margaret….

      But this case isn’t a mystery.

      Aruba had a confession. Aruba knew “something bad happened”. Aruba was being lead to the body.

      Aruba arrested two black guys with “strong evidence”. Aruba discarded evidence (VCB shirts, to blood soaked mattresses, etc.). Aruba dealt with the body (“no corpse=no crime”). Aruba’s judges hindered the investigation. Aruba’s justice department provided Paulus Van Der Sloot a “get out of jail free” pass. Aruba’s courts continued to protect and distance Paulus.

      Today we sit with everyone who was involved with the case saying it was J2K, but there is not enough evidence…..there was more than enough evidence…..this case was orchestrated to protect many of the priviledged Arubans at the expense of tourism.

      Now we have an undeniable admission from the head of Aruban tourism that they have been actively spreading disinformation to “counter” the family. God these people are pathetic.

      So please, do not call this case a mystery. Everyone knows exactly who were the main predators/perpetrators.



    81. benh on January 21st, 2008 11:13 am

      dennisntn,,,,,margaret weaver who is she heard that name before.

    82. Miss-Underestimated on January 21st, 2008 11:23 am


      Mos has even said Natalee is dead.

      I do agree that if Kelly and Daniel know she is dead to say where she is.

    83. on January 21st, 2008 11:25 am

      Kelly and Dan’s website demonstrates their “professionalism”. Hopefully Aruba paid them enough to hire a real web designer; well come to think of it, hopefully they didn’t since we certainly don’t want people to be fooled by these charlatans.

      Yeah the latest statements from Aruba show what we’ve all suspected: They aren’t one bit interested in truth; they simply pull something out of their bag of tricks every time there is publicity about the case to attempt to counter it.

      Well MD I’m going to offer Aruba my marketing services at 1/2 your price. $500,000 a year Aruba and I will show you how to stop damaging your reputation. Here’s a clue: tell the truth. Come out and admit what you know due to a confession, admit why you can’t use the confession, explain the corruption link between Paulus and any judge you get on One Crappy Little Island, admit that we all know who raped and murdered Natalee and explain truthfully why you just don’t have enough to get a corrupt judge to hold the guilty responsible. Apologize to the Holloway and Twitty families and stop these absolutely beyond belief stories that only serve to put the case fully back into the news.

      I will await payment of my fee to give you the rest of my advice but that’s really the crux.

    84. benh on January 21st, 2008 11:39 am

      Aruba cam shows empty beaches.

    85. JusticeforNatalee on January 21st, 2008 11:49 am


      MD is right. There is no mystery.

      When four people leave in a car and only three return–
      and the one who never makes it back is a young woman–it’s pretty obvious what happened–especially when the other three are lying and blaming each other.

      Maybe not all the details but the gist is there.

      Now why doesn’t Aruba just come clean and put the perps in jail.
      It really is the answer to tourism woes.

      Here’s a hint: Americans REALLY REALLY revere justice and HATE liars.

      Until Natalee gets justice, many Americans will boycott Aruba.

    86. JusticeforNatalee on January 21st, 2008 11:55 am


      I can tell you for a fact that the issue that is really hurting Aruba is the lack of justice.

      For many Americans, Aruba is known as the island where
      an American daughter was killed and Aruba let the perps get away with it.

      Crime happens everyewhere. But you see, the REAL issue with Aruba is that the perps are being permitted to go free.

    87. JusticeforNatalee on January 21st, 2008 11:58 am

      #86 typo “everywhere”

    88. JusticeforNatalee on January 21st, 2008 12:28 pm




    89. brie on January 21st, 2008 1:22 pm

      It’s curtains for you Aruba….Get ready you’ve got a really BIG HURT coming!!!!!!

    90. Terri on January 21st, 2008 2:18 pm

      I live in a small southern town. Just out of curiosity, I looked on line to see if our library has copies of Dave’s book and Beth’s book. The do have at least one of each book in every branch. Right now, 2 have been checked out. Shows that the story is indeed, still very much alive.

      I know that there is much speculation as to what happened with this beautiful young girl. I was just wondering what would have happened if, say, the shoe was on the other foot? For instance, let’s say that one of the high school boys had gone off into the night with a young Aruban girl and she was never to be seen again? I bet the authorities would have done every thing in their power to bring someone to justice for that. With all of the evil in the world, I think that Joran might just disappear one day, never to be seen or heard from again. Would that not be ironic? I wonder how many people have wished this upon him? I wonder how many people have actually wanted to do it? Hmmmm…one can just hope!

      I agree with Jossy … I wouldn’t even waste my time giving any credence to these two yahoos.

      All that matters is finding Natalee. It doesn’t even matter who did what. The real culprits have to live with the guilt from this day until the day that they have to answer to God. I can only speculate that there is a reason for this, and one day the guilty will find out what that reason is. I hope that I am still alive to find out the outcome.

      Boycott Aruba, now and forever. I think that they have been given chance after chance after chance to make this situation right. They have failed at every turn. Never, ever step foot on Aruba’s soil. Boycott forever.

    91. Melissa on January 21st, 2008 2:23 pm

      Margaret Wever has never written objectively about the Natalee Holloway case. Where is that coming from? May I say that I find it a much more terrorizing thought to go to a foreign country and just VANISH into thin air than to be a murder victim. I have said it before – this case has exposed all of Aruba’s dirty secrets which they were able to hide for so long.

    92. kayjay on January 21st, 2008 2:37 pm

      #65 That list alone should be enought to put the depraved sociopathic freak into jail for life with no parole…and that’s only the list we know about. Thanks for posting it..a good reminder to everyone who the Holloways have to deal with.
      Wish someone could email it to his equally depraved parents every day for the rest of their useless lives.

    93. Minnesota Dead on January 21st, 2008 2:50 pm

      Whatever happened to the poster named RAMMSTEIN?

      He has pretty much disappeared after the KLPD got involved.

      My bets…a paid Aruban Tourist/AHATA shill whose job was to come on here and be “reasonable” and explain the “process” of the judiciary under “Dutch Law”. He never could answer my question as to why the Prosecutor, Karin Janssen, would issue a letter declaring PVDS no longer a suspect while not providing the same for the two black guys that Aruba tried to frame.

      You will recall that when Steve Cohen’s PR Crisis Management company came in one of their tasks was to assure the world that Aruba had the best justice and law enforcement in all of the Caribbean. Rammstein’s posts ALWAYS struck me as trying to prop up the justice and judicial system of Aruba even though it was amazingly corrupt.

      He has now pretty much disappeared. Anyone seen him on any other boards, or did his contract run out with AHATA???


    94. Hoepelman on January 21st, 2008 3:33 pm

      “We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which we’ll have to counter.”

      = Political demagoguery

      = Justification for increased PR and Advertising spenditures

      = Increased PR and advertising commissions

      = Heaftier cut for the Minister of Tourism

    95. brie on January 21st, 2008 3:55 pm

      #92….and there’s more….post #65

      Prison warden knows of Joran’s background and his uncontrolled temper….

      Repeatedly kicked an inmate in the same place while in jail, inmate smaller than Joran gave him a black-eye, Joran had to be restrained

      Has lied 23 times to the police

      Bullied all the younger kids in school

      Got into fights with the Mountain Brook boys

      Threw a brick thru the window at his house

      Steals from his parents

      Sets off fire alarms when he’s out

    96. dennisintn on January 21st, 2008 4:59 pm

      #90, terri, they failed to prosecute the teenagers, all over l8, i think, for the gangrape of a l6 yr. old island girl at her school. these a
      $$holes even captured the event on their cell phone cameras. the men were released and politely asked by diario, the newspaper, to at least erase their cellphone pics. and please not put the pics on the internet. the victim had to be sent away from her family to another island to finish her education, so she’d feel safer and not be harassed and embarassed over the incident. they might prosecute an american boy for making an island girl disappear if their was money in it for them. girls and women are chattel to aruban hierarchy. and nothing comes before money to them.

    97. brie on January 21st, 2008 5:15 pm

      Joran threw wine in the face of Peter DeVries, an expression of violence not unknown in his former behaviors. His lost his temper with Natalee because she refused his sexual advances, I’m sure he did some pretty horrible things to her. What did Deepak say, if they find that girl they will see all the chit!

      As Jossy said, the wine throwing incident fits perfectly within Joran’s pattern of behavior.

      Not that is was right at all to throw anything but there was a glass of water in front of him but he choose to throw the wine so the alcohol would burn his eyes.

    98. brie on January 21st, 2008 5:34 pm

      Scared Monkeys….we need another picture of the island as before, only this time let’s put an even bigger screw thru it!!!!!!

    99. brie on January 21st, 2008 6:03 pm

      Joran is dangerous and I would think the college he attends needs to take a very close look….what about the safety of all the students….what parents want their child to attend a college with a known criminal that has been set free….!!!!!!!!

    100. brie on January 21st, 2008 6:18 pm

      Edison Breisen, that’s probably not his real name…Minister of Corrupt Transportation and Tourism…looks like a pop tart!!!

      Rudy Croes, the APE, Minister of Corrupt Justice

      Hans…I do believe you tried for justice but the Ministers of justice and tourism got in the way.. Screw ‘em!!!!

      Where’s the Queen, never a word from her…why not!!! Your part of all the corruption…can’t make a decision…Aruba is costing you big bucks and tourism is going to reach an all time low…you better take your blinders off and remove those people of corruption from their office. What is your job anyway? You do nothing!!!! Have you ever heard of impeaching the Queen?

    101. brie on January 21st, 2008 6:22 pm

      Paulus…and he lies and he lies and he lies!

    102. brie on January 21st, 2008 6:35 pm

      What is Posner doing owning a hotel on the island? The Aruban law says that it cannot happen because he is a criminal!!!!

      You have got so much crime on that island it just stinks! There is No safety, we need to find a means of removing passports to the island. This whole thing is out of control!!!! Why would we want to send any of our Americans there? The situation just keeps getting worse….Serve Justice Aruba, you know where it lies.

    103. brie on January 21st, 2008 6:39 pm

      The decent independent Arubans know their gov’t is corrupt…this is just another addition to their agony!!!!

    104. brie on January 21st, 2008 7:08 pm


    105. Carpe Noctem on January 21st, 2008 7:46 pm


      Sure. Here ya go! Thanks Mayan. ;-)


    106. brie on January 21st, 2008 9:35 pm


    107. brie on January 21st, 2008 9:42 pm

      Aruba you need to do something about Anita teaching your children….she raised a sociopath and he has has a criminal background…no one for your children to be taught by…

    108. brie on January 21st, 2008 9:45 pm

      Maybe Oprah will do another interview with Beth to counter act the destruction done by the Aruban gov’t!!!!!

    109. yoyo muffintop on January 21st, 2008 10:01 pm

      Brie – No one’s depending on psychics, but if they want to give Natalee airtime, let them. Who knows what they have to say.

    110. brie on January 21st, 2008 11:04 pm

      Scared Monkeys….why do our posts continue to disappear while we are posting!!!

    111. brie on January 21st, 2008 11:46 pm

      #109…airtime to warrant the arrest of Joran..he did it and we all know it…that bastard needs to get his balls kicked….maybe if we’re lucky someone will do it!!!! The Arubans have reached their tolerance with Joran, the Dutch likewise….No one wants him around…!!!!!!

    112. brie on January 21st, 2008 11:55 pm

      Hey can count on the fact that DeVires is on your ass!!!! How much longer are you going to run….!!!!!

    113. brie on January 22nd, 2008 12:12 am

      Convict Joran and get it over with!!!!

    114. Wade on January 22nd, 2008 2:24 am

      I can’t believe they would give these people air time. It is very sad.

      If they so sure of themselves, Where is the body?

      There is no need to look at the parents because the main suspects have lied continually.

    115. JustMeT on January 22nd, 2008 2:29 am

      What total bs. Enough already. The bs in Aruba never ceases to amaze me.

    116. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 3:08 am

      The Prime Minister, himself, ordered the cover-up
      of the murder of Natalee Ann Holloway…





      Hey Aruba:

      How low can you go?



    117. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 3:17 am

      Hey Oduber-do:

      I think we’d all sleep better

      if you were behind bars!


      Put that in your pipe and smoke it!



    118. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 3:35 am



      Indians are known for dealing in Spiritism,

      mostly Voodooism.

      Indian Talk…





      With the Arawak,

      and the Caribes,




    119. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 4:29 am


      Human Trafficking Center

      Won’t supply the Netherlands
      with its’ immigration papers…

      I wonder WHY?!?!?!!!!

      {the numbers don’t match?}


      Human Trafficking Center!!!



    120. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 4:40 am

      The Netherlands:

      Human Trafficking Center!

      Center for Child Pornography!

      Center for Beastality!

      Center for Money Laundering

      Legalized Drugs!

      Legalized Prostitution!

      Leanient Prosecutions!



    121. Dolf on January 22nd, 2008 5:50 am

      Brie: Our queen will never comment.

      she is not allowed.

      IF she will say something about this case it will be to express her sympathy for the ones left behind.

      But who knows what happens behind closed doors with the weekly meetings with the pm.

    122. Hoepelman on January 22nd, 2008 8:37 am

      Minister Briesen: You must hire the psychics to figure out the rest of the disappearances that have taken place in Aruba. If you think they are a credible source and that other alternatives have to be explored, maybe they can help ALE uncover what happened to the seven known Americans persons that have gone missing since 1997.

    123. 10061906 on January 22nd, 2008 11:50 am

      If these friggen’ psychics are so good why can’t they answer one simple question.
      You can do it; just roll back your eyes.

      Tell us something we don’t already know.

      Now I’m not anti psychics; because I have been able to predict and do some weird things my family can’t explain about me; however I have no concrete idea where Natalee may be.
      I have only been able speculate.
      Maybe they (psychics)should prefix their statements that this is only speculation.
      “For entertainment purposes only.”

    124. Greta on January 22nd, 2008 12:11 pm

      The story is told of a woman who had gossiped about a another woman. When she realized what she had done, she went to her and apologized. She said she would do anything to make up for the cruel things that she had said. She told her to take a sackful of feathers and to go to a certain street corner and to cast the feathers to the wind. She did so and when she had finished came back and reported. The woman then directed her to go back and retrieve every feather. But she exclaimed that is impossible, the wind has scattered them everywhere. So it is with the things you have said, she replied, there is no way to repair the damage that you have done

    125. Richard on January 22nd, 2008 12:36 pm

      I don’t think that these “psychics” merit the attention of this forum any longer. Maybe Arubans are stupid enough to listen to this swill; nobody else would be unless there is evidence brought forth to support it.

      As I said in a previous post, this sort of garbage only eliminates any “compassion” for the “innocent” Arubans who might suffer from the boycott.

      Let’s see all the stinking scum at the bottom of the sea, where they DO belong.

    126. brie on January 22nd, 2008 1:22 pm

      Jossy, our friend, it not going to waste his time on this crap. His opinion will remain unchanged…Joran and Kalpoes know what happened to Natalee.

    127. brie on January 22nd, 2008 2:05 pm

      #126…sorry typo….Jossy, our friend, IS not going to waste his time…

    128. Maggie on January 22nd, 2008 4:06 pm

      YoYo , Maybe the psychics will take on the conflicts of interest in this case next. That should take them to all the answers .. and I promise Jug won’t be one of them.

    129. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 5:54 pm


      I got an idea!?!?!

      Take them to the “Rocks”

      and, if the demons don’t send

      shivvvvers down their spines,

      THEY’re HEARING “Voices”


      Next Page


    130. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 6:00 pm


      “OUR” Queen?!?!?

      Your “Queen’s” a {{edit}}

      Living behind those walls,

      with not a clue the pain

      that her country causes;

      Men, Women, and children…

      the smallest ones of us,

      the most helpless.

      Someone needs to sound the ALARM!



    131. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 6:07 pm

      It’s okay to breed man-eating misfits…

      But, it’s not proper to speak on the

      subject of a missing child?


    132. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 6:14 pm

      Nothing personal…

      But, we ARE in a boycott!

      Have to relay the message,

      that’s all…


      I still want to know what they dug up in the

      Sloot’s back yard and what all this talk about

      difficult DNA tests were all about.


      Why is the QUEEN holding her cards?

    133. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 6:27 pm

      In other words, they found something

      and it had to be human

      otherwise they wouldn’t be

      performing “difficult DNA” tests.


      Justice for Natalee

    134. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 6:32 pm

      This could be the Queen’s greatest

      opportunity to regain her popularity

      and bring an end to Human Trafficking.

    135. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 6:39 pm


      One step at a time…


    136. yoyo muffintop on January 22nd, 2008 7:37 pm

      Patti – the chance that Natalee was eaten by cannibals equal that of being pregnant with Jug’s child.
      Zero imo.
      But I think you know that.
      It was a good schitck at first though.
      SM: Yoyo – we actually agree on this (klaasend)

    137. Bob on January 22nd, 2008 10:32 pm

      Even for those with a twinge of sympathy for avoiding ARUBA, and voluntarily or involuntarilly supporting the BOYCOTT, there’s clear evidence that due to economic recession, Americans by necessity will NOT be travelling outside of the U.S. Vacations will be accomplished driving within the U.S., not directed at 3rd rate Islands.

      If ARUBA’s tourism minister gets paid by an increase of “tourist numbers”, he’d best fill out a Burger King fry-man application. He’s cooked now.

    138. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 10:43 pm

      Yeah…. I know.

      There is no such thing as Indians.

      We’ll see…

    139. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 10:53 pm


      And Cannibalism?

      It’s just a figment of my imagination.

      It never happens.

      There are no people that consume babies

      in this world and baby brains AREN’t a



      And human trafficking…

      It doesn’t happen in Aruba.

      Why would they need all those people

      being trafficked onto their island,

      anyway, they have plenty of wild




    140. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 11:24 pm

      All you have to do is look at her,

      and you know…

      Atleast, I do.


      That’s why we NEVER guessed.


      A Christian Girl, named Natalee,

      … and for Aruba….





    141. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 11:31 pm

      Can you SEEEEE it?

      The bush behind the Painter…

      Natalee on her stomach,

      with her left arm up in the air,

      like the Statute of Liberty…

      with her heart cut out.




    142. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 11:41 pm

      In the end…

      That was Natalee’s “Truth”.


      That’s why so many people are

      drawn to her… to help her.

      She is, truly, in heaven;

      and, through God, she see’s


    143. Patti on January 22nd, 2008 11:57 pm

      Hey Klaas (SM)!

      If they found her bones,

      and some are missing,

      it will take only a

      short period of time

      to determine if her

      body matches the one

      at the rocks…

      and cannibalism

      as far as that goes.


      Don’t Worry!

      They’ll find her…

      if they haven’t already!!?


      Then, we’ll ALL know.




    144. Dolf on January 23rd, 2008 10:23 am


      please leave the mexican mushrooms alone

      1) Queen is populair

      “It’s okay to breed man-eating misfits…

      But, it’s not proper to speak on the

      subject of a missing child?


      Did you just make a claim that The Queen bred man-eating misfits?


      “OUR” Queen?!?!?

      Your “Queen’s” a {{edit}}

      Living behind those walls,

      with not a clue the pain

      that her country causes;

      Men, Women, and children…

      the smallest ones of us,

      the most helpless.

      Someone needs to sound the ALARM!”

      Her (my) country causes?

      I can’t believe this crap, do you also email your own goverment…they got lots of innocent victims on their kill list (wait there is no Iraq/Afghaan list…wasn’t wanted by Bush admin)

      btw. don’t come here and talk about Queen beatrix in that way…you could be thrown in jail

    145. Betsy on January 23rd, 2008 3:08 pm

      Dolf, doesn’t freedom of speech apply when it comes to the queen? Just curious…..

      People should be able to say they don’t like her, right? I don’t know her at all, it’s just an example.

    146. Patti on January 23rd, 2008 7:54 pm


      By who?

      The internet police?!?!



      Hey, Queen Bea!

      When you gonna crawl off that thrown of yours

      and speak about crimes against humanity?!?!



      The U.S. and the Dutch are involved in the Gulf

      War… besides, we don’t allow our own to be

      swept off their feet, caged, raped, sodomized,

      filmed, murdered and thrown in the mud.

      How many women and children go missing from the

      Old Soviet Block… trafficked through Holland?


      Queen Bea:

      Please do tell…

      Take a guess…

      Hint: Low to medium 6-digits…


      HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, each year!


    147. Patti on January 23rd, 2008 8:00 pm


      Where have all the flowers gone?


    148. Patti on January 23rd, 2008 8:29 pm

      Hey Dolf:

      How many of OUR women and children do you have

      buried in your pastures?



      Just to let you know:

      YOUR Queen is NOT Popular…

      Neither is your country.

      Actions speak louder than words, anyway…

      In the case of Child Abuse, you are either

      part of the solution or part of the problem.


      The way I see it,

      The Netherlands is backing Aruba.

      It doesn’t take THIS long to conduct

      an investigation. Clearly, there was

      Judicial misconduct…

      And that stuff(!) reaks all the way to here.

      Tell her to open a window!!!!!



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