RSSTexas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway
Texas EquuSearch will be going back to Aruba to do the long awaited deep water search for Natalee Holloway with the aide of Superior Offshore International. The plans to go back to Aruba to do the deep water search for Natalee Holloway have been in the planning stages for quite some time. The planning is now going to become a reality.
Superior Offshore International is a leading provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services to the offshore oil and gas industry, serving operators in the outer continental shelf and deep waters of the U.S. Gulf of Mexico was well as offshore Mexico, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. Construction services include installation, upgrading and decommissioning of pipelines and production infrastructure. Commercial diving services include inspection, maintenance and repair services and support services for subsea construction and salvage operations.
Superior Offshore International will also have the capability to use an ROV to go down in the ocean to incredible depths to search.
(Click on pic for more details and specs)
UPDATE I: We spoke with Louis E. Schaefer exclusively this morning, the principal stock holder of Superior Offshore International. We discussed the planning of the upcoming search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba. According to Mr. Schaefer there is still much planning and mapping that needs to occur before an exact date, time and vessel can be determined. Surveyors from Superior Offshore International are supposed to get together with individuals from the side scanner sonar team to create a navigational grid (mapping)that will be searched.
Developing …
Posted July 15, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Search and Recovery, Texas Equusearch | 157 comments |
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Let’s all pray that this trip is productive! We’ve waited way too long for Aruba to do anything and have learned that they can’t be trusted to do the right thing. Yea Tim Miller! God bless!
Thank you God and TES..this is such wonderful news.
Breaking – Just heard on Fox News there’s new developments in the Natalee Holloway case…
Supposedly, Beth and Dave turned down a RANSOM demand???
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SM: Same BS from the Amigoe article from Renfro and Dompig (klaasend)
What wonderful news to hear this is really happening. The very best of luck to Texas Equusearch and Superior Offshore International…I know that Tim really wants to bring Natalee home, and I hope this is the answer.
dave holloway wii be on fox news today sunday.disscussing the alledged ransom demand .
Correction, Beth supposedly turned down a ransom demand…
Dave will be on Fox momentarily to clear it up
Bogus demand! Thanks klaasend
Dave said it’s “Tabloid reporting” at it’s best, but I’d said at it’s worst!! He also said the case is still active 
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
I’ll believe TES will do the search when I see it with my own eyes. How many times have we heard the search was going to happen, when in fact it has not. It’s not that TES doesn’t want to do the search, but Aruba keeps getting in the way
Those freaking savages are holding Natalee hostage in their waters…
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
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SM: I don’t think Aruba can get in the way this time. First off, it may be international waters. Second, there is no reason for the ships TES will be going in to even dock in Aruba. The ships are large and self contained. They can always refuel in Venezuela. They are going. (klaasend)
Just heard Dave tell millions of American’s that the article in Dutchs newspaper is NOT true and its absurd to even claim that!
THANK YOU DAVE!! WE’RE STILL WITH YOU DAVE & BETH!!!!!
The more the Aruban reps talk, the more they literally scream “Joran is a murderer and guilty as H*** and we covered up his guilt!!!”
The Aruban government has blamed everyone but themselves for not solving this case. Let’s see…they have blamed the news media, the FBI, the Sec. of State, the VP, etc, etc.
Aruba – don’t blame others for your government’s ineptitude in conducting an investigation or for their culpability in covering up a crime. Most especially DO NOT blame a mother who IF she had been presented with a ransom would have not only paid their demands, but would have paid with her LIFE if it meant her precious daughter would have been returned alive to her family!!!!!!
The Aruban government is responsible for their own actions and those actions are coming back to bite them squarely in the backside!!!!
Let’s pray they find her.But the boycott rolls on even if they do!!!
It is a very big ocean. I wonder if they have any solid information on just where to search.
Hey Vicki!
Great news isn’t it!! I know we’re all praying for this nightmare to be over….ijust want every Aruban Official and every Aruban living there that when they hurt Natalee…they hurt me and i’m going to fight for her & against inknowing tourists going to that evil isle of death!
Sorry about the typos……..just got my cable back & the first thing i heard was Jamie on Fox saying she was just about to speak with Dave about Natalee!
Aruban’s can’t/won’t understand WHY this case is stands out among so many…..why this matters so much to us. Its so hard to believe that these people…who after dealing with millions of visitor’s have not one iota of common sense of what they’ve done wrong from day 1 of this nightmare for Natalee. I’m not buying it, they know how to be gracious or how to PRETEND TO BE, they want to play dumb hoping we’ll go away and now resorting to lies printed in Dutch newspaper’s about Natalee’s mother.
Much to Aruban’s surprise we’re still here and it is YOU ARUBA WHO MADE THIS CASE STAND OUT AS YOU LIED OVER & OVER ON TV KNOWING SOME OF YOUR OWN RELATIVES WERE SUSPECTS.
Well, this is good news isn’t it !
Does anyone know where Joran is ? Hiding ?
Under an Aruban rock or an Holland rock ?
Watching Aruba police officials and spokesperson’s dance arround explaining their SHAM of an investigation and Arlene Shipper’s quiping on “we just don’t understand their justice system” was sickening.
I agree with everything you said justice4nat!!
It……no WE came back to bite em and we’re not letting go!
Aruba, you look sooooooooo bad right now!
Even worse than before.
Thanks again Julia, Dompig, and Angela!
Your idiotic accusations have put Natalee’s case
back in the news but not the way you expected!
LOLOLOLOL
Now even more people are convinced to avoid
your island.
DUMB DUMB DUMB
P.S.
We Natalee supporters are NEVER going away.
Have you gotten that message yet?
I pray they find this precious angel, Natalee Holloway. It’s time for Natalee to come home. Godspeed to all involved.
Why would paulus vandersloot be on line looking up the effects of drugs,unless natalee was still alive at the he did that,either way his hands are dirty.
at the time he did that.,,,,sorry
Good Luck TExas Equusearch….thanks for not giving up.
FYI:
We were on the phone this morning with the majority stock holder of Superior Offshore International. We are setting up an interview with Dana Pretzer for next week.
R
#12 Well Herb…I would hope they do and I would imagine they will not share that info with anyone who does not need to know. The fewer people who know, the better.
Also, whoever told them where to search would also know the guilty party and if they find the body could they not prosecute with evidence in hand. Who told them where to search? Only one I could think of would be the boys-perverts Gottenbo’s here in USA Georgia. Did they plea bargain here?
If somebody in Aruba told they would be dead.
Number25—I agree so lets just hope and pray.
THANKS FOR THE INFO RED AND FOR YOUR UNWAIVERING DEDICATION TO FINDING NATALEE!
BLESS ALL OF YOU FOR THAT!
Here we come Joran, Freddie, Satish, Deepak, Guido, Paulus. If Natalee is in the water, Texas Equusearch and Tim Miller will find her. Might as well give up now.
As far as Aruba: well just what line haven’t they stepped over? Just how low haven’t they gone? The depths of hell ain’t low enough for Aruba, cuz they’ve gone just that far to blame everyone but themselves for Natalee’s disappearance. Imagine the Chief of Security of Aruba making up fantasies by the dozens.
Yeah sure Dumpig, we believe that Beth, who has offered $250,000 for information on her daughter and $1,000,000 for her daughter back alive, refused a $4,000 ransom demand. Yeah, parents who stayed on one crappy little island night and day for 3 months refused a $4,000 ransom demand. Sure, parents who sifted through your stinking garbage in 90+ degree heat really refused a $4,000 ransom demand. Parents who jumped on the first plane out of Alabama to learn what happened to their daughter certainly refused a $4,000 ransom demand. Uh huh, keep the stories rolling! You are making big news.
Oh one more thing to dumpig and ruffro: parents aren’t suppose to have to pay ransom demands to get their children back! It’s the job the the police force to prevent their citizens from holding innocent teens for ransom! I’m sure you don’t understand this so let me say it very slow and very loud: RANSOM DEMANDS ARE ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!
Where can I send a donation to Tim Miller? I’d like to help in whatever way I can.
I just hope so much that they are on track and have info as to where she might be. Its hard to believe they would go to this trouble unless they had a a pretty good idea.
Hope those perverted vanders**ts are all sweating !!
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SM: Here is a link to their website and donation page. (klaasend)
http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html
#26 asks: and if they find the body could they not prosecute with evidence in hand?
Hell yes. But then Aruba “could” prosecute Joran and Paulus right now. But did they bother?
I hope this time the TES underwater search takes place for Dave and Beth’s sake. Hopefully the location is in international waters
Reckon the perps are running scared yet?
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND (the freaking Dutch boy dykes!!)!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Any idea what condition a body may be in after two years in the ocean ??? Would the trap keep the bones or would they come appart and leave the cage ??? Any one ever hear of a body being recovered after two years in the water ???
Please don’t go fuel in Venezuela without first asking
President Bush and Condoleeza Rice’s permission.
Let them phone President Chavez first.
If Superior Offshore International is coming, are they really coming to search for Natalee, or for oil and gas?
And if the F-16′s didn’t find Natalee anywhere in or around Aruba, shouldn’t they start looking somewhere else like in or around Curacao or Venezuela, or Colombia, or Panama?
Good luck, and all the best
Godspeed to Tim Miller, Texas EquuSearch and Houston, Texas Superior Offshore Int’l!!!
My husband works for BP…he handles all oilrigs in the Gulf & elsewhere… and is very familiar with this company as it is one they use. He says there is NO DOUBT that Natalee will be found if the general location is known.
Let’s all keep them in our prayers!
and I just have to say to all those responsible in Aruba for this MURDER and COVER-UP…Your game is up!! Your very own “haha” investigative reporters, Julia & Angela, and Your very own “haha” Chief of Police, Gerald Dompig, basically admitted all the lies and fallacies perpetrated in this sham of an investigation!
All this effort should have been put into actually collecting evidence and charging the real perps…instead of 2 years spewing hate and planting seeds of LIES & DECEPTION across the internet and news media. Only then could Aruba rise above this shameful sham and hold their heads high again with PRIDE.
AMERICA WILL NEVER GIVE UP SEARCHING FOR NATALEE OR THE TRUTH! NOR WILL WE EVER FORGET THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS MADE AGAINST NATALEE AND HER FAMILY!
hey buster
i think Natalee was wrapped in a tarp of some sort to avoid the transfer of trace evidence (Paulus would know this) and wrapped her in the tarp so they wouldn’t have to look at Natalee’s face/eyes.
After 2 years its possible that the tarp came undone and the long bones aswell as the arm bones could’ve escaped from the tarp & that the water currants allowed those bones to escape from the cage.
It is the SKULL that is to big to escape from the cage if thats where she is and i’ve said before that if anything is in a crab cage it will be the skull.
Its also possible that the tarp will still be inside the cage keeping some of the bones from escaping the cage. If Natalee is in there & a tarp was used i think a good portion of that tarp will still be inside the cage.
#29, there are no lines for the tourist industry on aruba. if you’re not spending money hand over fist, you have “vanished” from their sight and minds. the businessman at the dump expressed their feelings just fine. “they need to go home, shut up, and get over it.” and jvds wants to go into business there when he’s out of school. he’ll fit in just fine.
dennisintn
We should also try to get the Alabama State Police or the Texas State Police or better yet, perhaps the Scotland Yard, to come help investigate?
Just heard Dave tell millions of American’s that the article in Dutchs newspaper is NOT true and its absurd to even claim that!
THANK YOU DAVE!! WE’RE STILL WITH YOU DAVE & BETH!!!!!
Comment by mayan_moons | July 15, 2007, 2:34 pm
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Myan_moons … I am so encouraged. Both Robin and Dave Holloway reactions to the article/video “The Other Side of the Holloway Case” imply that they have recognized the truth in regards to those with an Aruban Agenda. I am praying that my perception is accurate.
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ROBIN HOLLOWAY
BFN – July, 2007
When we were first told Natalee missed her flight, we had no idea what had happened to her and still don’t to this day. As any parent, we had high hopes of going to Aruba and bringing Natalee home. The family was told that Natalee could be in a crackhouse so, in hopes of a live Natalee, what parent in their right mind would turn down the assistance of a MedJet to bring her home. This was all happening in the first days that Natalee disappeared and we had nothing to go on but what we were told in the beginning. As soon as we got on the island, everyone began searches all over the island looking for her in every area including the crackhouses. We were going on information provided by the ALE and had no reason to doubt their word at that time.
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DAVE HOLLOWAY
FOX ONLINE SHOW – July 15, 2007
All we had were some of these small time drug pushers, drug peddlars on the street wanting to get money for their drug use and to provide false tips and leads. If this is something that was true, it was escalated out of control. I WOULD CALL THIS PROBABLY TABLOID REPORTING AT BEAT.
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The true facts are that the Holland Police, that we call the Dutch police had taken over the investigation due to the bungling. They have a new prosecutor and they’re still active in the investigation. They consider this a homicide case and THEY CONSIDER THE LAST THREE PERSONS TO BE SEEN WITH NATALEE AS SUSPECTS IN THIS CASE. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
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SM: Just makes me wonder why they would openly say they were not for a boycott, when the reality of a boycott is not defined as one of normal means.
The boycott against Aruba was individuals outrage that those in authority would knowingly cover up a crime. It was also for those people in Aruba for not demanding justice so that their island could go back to normal.
Th boycott was a way to support the family and for justice for Natalee … putting pressure on those that would not budge unless their tourism was affected. The boycott was not demanded by a country against another like an embargo, it was the individualistic support for Natalee & their family for answers.
So why would one be against that?
R
I would like for TES to find Natalee, but sadly, I believe Natalee is not at the bottom of the ocean. I hope I’m wrong.
I would really like to see a complete search of the landfill. Early evidence points to the landfill as the location of Natalee’s body. Some (almost everyone actually) said that Junior’s sighting of Paulus, Joran, and the two Ks at the landfill was bogus. I don’t agree that it was all bogus. I do think Junior lied about actually seeing Natalee’s body, but I believe the rest is true. Either his imagination ran away with him or he out and out lied, thinking that by saying that he saw the body they would search the landfill longer and harder, and he would get a reward, because he believed Natalee’s body was in the landfill somewhere.
Early on there was a poster who lived near the landfill, and she said there was a lot of activity there. She did not say she saw Paulus or Joran there, but she did say she saw other important people there.
Jerry
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SM: It would have been nice to have properly searched the land fill in its entirety without the obstructions that were placed in front of us.
R
Thanks for your response Janet! I’m encouraged too, its absolutely paramount that those deep waters be searched. If its really true that a crap cage was stolen that night then Natalee prolly was put inside it.
There was panic that night by the perps (yes i’m including you Paulus) in the rush to hide Natalee’s body i can see them not thinking ahead on how a missing crab cage and a missing person could be connected. Although they counted on all the marine life to break down and separate the body they DID NOT think that if/when the cage was found that marine life could not destroy the skull & the trap would protect the largest bone structure of the human body from escaping the container.
They didn’t think about that……did ya Jurine & Paulus?
God bless you, Tim Miller.
May you be guided by the gentle spirit of this child.
May her tears of sorrow, be heard across the ocean before you.
May the cries of her suffering lead you to her.
May the oceans open up before you, and release this child from the prison built by unconscionable monsters, so depraved as to deny her one final embrace from her loving family.
Let the sparkle in her smile illuminate your eyes, and guide you towards her,
May the spirit of truth and justice release her from the prison of her sorrow.
May her voice cry out to you, that you may find her, and gently carry her home.
God bless you, Tim Miller!
Godspeed and God bless you for the immeasurable depth of your giving heart, and the breadth of your compassion, that allows the imprint of a child’s suffering to be joined with all that you, yourself have suffered before her.
This child’s cries have changed us all!
And your model of human kindness, has changed our hearts forever!
Her voice continues to be heard through generous hearts of compassion,
That come together in her name, hearts that set their quest for her truth and justice upon the foundations of all the cruelty and sorrow that was inflicted upon her, and her beautiful family.
The depth of love from so many, brings healing to this family,
And will crush and rise up above the brutality of evil, that stole this precious child from her tender, loving family.
How do we measure the depth of someone’s heart and capacity of their soul?
We measure a person’s heart and soul by the integrity that they live by,
And by their willingness to allow the suffering of others to enter their lives.
May the handprint of Natalee’s sorrow guide you, Tim,
May the spirit of her voice be heard upon the oceans,
May her cries for her freedom lead you to her,
May our longing for her justice give you strength, wisdom, and perseverance!
May hope renew your quest to find her,
May God’s spirit guide you, that she may finally find her way home.
Dear Beth and Dave, and all their loving family members:
Rejoice in this suffering…
Suffering produces perseverance,
Perseverance produces character,
And Character gives birth to hope…
Do not let these evil people involved in taking your beloved Natalee from your lives, ever destroy your hope!
They think they “Controlled the message”.
They think they can now control the ‘outcome’.
They inflicted a life sentence of sorrow upon your hearts, and the legacy of their evil can be found in their depraved acts of brutality and indifference to your precious, beautiful daughter.
They persist to cling to their empty evil perversions,
but they will never contain your beautiful child’s truth and spirit!
Seize the power of this heartbreaking and unbearable suffering, and persevere, as you have always persevered, from the moment you first received the crushing news that Natalee had been taken away the the three men, who now persist in the degredation of criminal conduct,lies, corruption and obstructions to your beloved Natalee’s right to her truth being spoken and her justice being served.
Hold steadfast to hope, and know that we stand by your side, and by natalee’s side
through this heartbreaking journey of cruelty and depravity.
We see her beautiful smile, and the hopes and dreams she held onto
We see the illuminating sparkle in her eyes.
What a beautiful daughtrer!
What a blessing to this world!
Let her suffering rise up with your sorrow, and on the wings of her spirit, and your shattered broken hearts, let handprint of Natalee’s suffering,
Become the hope that drives you in your persuit of justice and truth,
Let the hope born of her painful truth become the anchor that bears you through this agonizing journey of sorrow.
You are never alone…
WE are all standing by your side,
By Natalee’s side…
And our hearts are firmly planted in seeds of hope that one day soon your
Suffering will be over,
Your precious daughter returned to her homeland and to your loving care,
That her truth will be spoken, and the her name and her legacy of hope to children everywhere, throughout the world, will long be remembered by her honorable good name.
Justice for Natalee.
Justice for her beautiful family.
Contain the monsters, Aruba, who violated this child’s human rights,
And release Natalee from this barbaric cruelty of CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD, that men and women with no conscience ALLOWED to be inflicted upon her!
SET THIS CHILD FREE!!!
SUPPORT THOSE WHO SUPPORT THIS CHILD’S RIGHT TO COME HOME TO HER FAMILY, FOR HER TRUTH TO BE TOLD, FOR HER HUMAN RIGHTS TO BE HONORED, FOR HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE TO BE SERVED!
TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: texasequusearch.org/donate.html
As far as Dave and the boycott….after all we’ve seen from Aruban’s i can’t even imagine the pressure and false promises and prolly veiled or open threats to stop investigating (like they ever started) and searching for his daughter if he encouraged the boycott.
Aruban’s are under the impression that we care and boycott coz The Media, or Red or Beth are telling us to. Could not be futher from the truth Aruba/Dutch. We saw with our own eyes how you lie, cheat & try to break the will of devastated families in the desperate search for their loved ones. We saw it and it was an UGLY thing to see and quite a global embarrassment you made of yourselves on international tv. Our concious is our guide Aruba….thats what tells us what to do and in this case our concious said to boycott the hell out of your island.
I hope Tim can make it this time to do the search for Natalee. Pray for Tim and the others with him to find her quickly. I also pray for people around the world with missing loved ones to help them in their time of need. Let your will be done Lord. God Bless.
# 38 – Miriam,
The Alabama State Troopers don’t have jurisdiction in Aruba or anywhere else over the State line. Same goes for the Texas State Troopers and the FBI. They can’t do squat
Our US State Dept could post warnings, advising our citizens to either not travel to Aruba or use extreme caution if they do.
I wonder why INTERPOL didn’t or hasn’t gotten involved…
SM: Just makes me wonder why they would openly say they were not for a boycott, when the reality of a boycott is not defined as one of normal means.
The boycott against Aruba was individuals outrage that those in authority would knowingly cover up a crime. It was also for those people in Aruba for not demanding justice so that their island could go back to normal.
Th boycott was a way to support the family and for justice for Natalee … putting pressure on those that would not budge unless their tourism was affected. The boycott was not demanded by a country against another like an embargo, it was the individualistic support for Natalee & their family for answers.
So why would one be against that?
R
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Red … your words make perfect sense. I believe that Robin and Dave have been negatively influenced by those with an Aruban agenda. However … when Robin and Dave regard those within their circle who were associated with the producers of the video “The Other Side of the Holloway Case” and … when Robin and Dave regard those within their circle who commended this video … maybe … just maybe … their reversed position on the boycott will be reconsidered. That is my sincere prayer.
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Associated Press
November 8, 2005
(AP) Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager’s family, who accuse the island’s government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance. Riley asked his fellow governors to join him in urging the boycott of Aruba, where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30.
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Beth Twitty
CBS NEWS
March 25, 2005
“The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott,” says Twitty.
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Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
November 17, 2005
HOLLOWAY: … I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can’t help you anymore.
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Dave Holloway
Aruba Truth
November 9, 2005
The Aruban people elected their officials to make decisions in the best interests of their people, and we have done the same. The Alabama governor made a decision on Natalee’s behalf, so I will support that position.
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Senator Steve French
Alabama News
November 8, 2005
It’s my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation.
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SM: My main point being that the boycott as it has always been defined … was to support the family and provide Justice for Natalee. To create pressure to make people do the right thing. The Aruban boycott was a person’s free choice to do or not. No one forced anyone. If pressure is not brought to bare, Aruba would never have remotely lifted a finger, this case would have bee dismissed a long time ago.
Keeping it forefront in the news has brought pressure on Aruba and their tourism. To squabble over the definition of the “B” word as some have done in crazy. Missing persons and justice has nothing to do with PC nonsense or making people feel good about themselves. We are way beyond that some 2+ years later.
The boycott (support of the family & Natalee) for answers continues and will so.
R
Awesome TES and SOI…great news!
Only an idiot would believe Beth or Dave would choose 4 grand over the whereabouts of their daughter.
There was no reason for Beth and Dave to be doing those searches anyway. Law Enforcement should’ve been taking these leads and calls, not 2 women pretending to be Cagney and Lacey wannabes.
Why should grieving parents be out in crackhouses on false leads? For the same reason, the Jacobs, Straten and Dompig targeted the 2 security guards and went after them after they knew Natalee never came back to her hotel. It took the focus off of the last 3 to be with Natalee. Why not search their homes and cars and clothes, instead of a crackhouse????
FBI could’ve been brought in to handle this part, if they were seriously looking for Natalee. There’s not one shred of evidence that Natalee was a crackhead and was in a crackhouse, no more than there is of Joran ever taking her to beach. There was not one shred of evidence the 2 guards took Natalee and then had them held on kidnapping and murder. Why murder? June 5th. Same time Straten said he saw the evidence and believed Natalee was dead. Can’t imagine a girl missing here and someone with a restaurant and another person from the newspaper is trying to run part of the investigation. Like these people don’t have Aruban interests.
Remember Renfro and Anita’s statements about Joran. Both total jokes. Can you hear one of the 12 year olds. Mom, I wanna drink a case of beer, smoke, stay out all night drinking and gambling, fight, go to therapy for anger problems, steal, use girls, lie pathologically, threaten people, spray paint property, and cuss out anyone I can’t control.
From Vanity Fair..Renfro..
The tensions came to a head in the wake of an appearance Renfro made on the Van Susteren show. “Nobody knows this, but the family were the ones determining who goes on the shows,” she says. “It was all them.” That night, when Van Susteren asked about Joran, Renfro described the teenager as an EXCELLENT STUDENT WITH A GOOD REPUTATION AND “AN IDOL FOR THE YOUNGER KIDS.
Anita on Fox.
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Joran is a very outgoing person. He’s a sweetheart. To me, he’s very warm. We spend Easter vacation in Florida together to visit his school, and we had a lot of fun together, went to Busch Gardens (search), and he was getting me cups of coffee and making jokes. He’s very outgoing, loving, caring, fights with his brothers all the time, but I think that’s pretty normal. We cannot get him out of bed in the morning to go to school, but once he’s there, he’s doing great. He got picked up on the morning of his graduation. He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.
On YouTube there is an awesome painter..paints pictures in about 5 minutes.. named Daniel Dunn.. Here is the one of him doing a picture of Freebird. He paints to the music. Made me think of Natalee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ye2svGQy8w
Love the one he does to Ray Charles music. He’s amazing.
May the handprint of this child’s suffering touch our hearts.
May the brokenness she and her family suffers change us all,
that each of us might choose to do something good in her name,
because she touched each one of us,
and gathered our hearts together in hope.
Hope for Natalee!
MR. Holloway……we share in those prayers for Tim and all the kind soul’s involved in this huge endeavor to safely & quickly reclaim Natalee’s remains for her family and to bring her back to her Native Soil.
Yes….of course pryers too all those with missing loved ones. There have been so many people (mostly female) reported missing and found murdered. Then there’s the Kessee’s daughter Jennifer still missing like Natalee and their names are never forgotton, when i think of Natalee i think of the other girls/guys not found yet.
#42, Pearl your post brought this lurker to tears. Justice for Natalee!
Tim Miller is definitely one of a kind, and very good at what he does. He is quite possible the very bet in the world at what he does. He has some hunches where he believes Natalee’s body is located, and he got these ideas from Dompig.
I’ve followed nearly everything Tim has said on Dana’s show (I may have followed everything-not sure). Tim said that a body in 800 feet of water never resurfaces. In the beginning, posters were speculating about the amount of weight necessary to keep a body below the surface. If Tim is correct, and who would know better, a body in deep water doesn’t have to be weighted down. It never comes to the top.
Something also interesting, Tim said it is very cold at 800 feet. He said it would be like being in a refrigerator, and Natalee’s body and evidence would be very well preserved. At 800 feet, there is not much animal life to disturb a body.
I hope he finds Natalee. I hope he does. If he doesn’t, I hope he goes to the landfill next. That would be a very difficult search, and someone caught part of it on fire during the time Dave was searching. That would make the search even harder.
I read that they found the little high school girl who was missing in Lubbock, Texas in the landfill after months of searching.
http://fromwhisperstoroars.blogspot.com/2006/10/police-believe-mummified-body-found-in.html
Jerry
Pearl said…
“How do we measure the depths of someone’s heart and the compacity of their soul? We measure their heart and soul by the integrity that they live by, and by their willingness to allow the suffering of others to enter their lives”
That is beautiful Pearl!~
Hey Maggie! Thank you for that link, its very touching.
Isn’t that machine Triton impressive! And the ships are near Trinidad i hear! Very good news indeed!
Could any one tell me why my post was deleted,it said if paulus vandersloot was on line looking up the effects of drugs then natalee was probaly still alive at that time,
Do you know that a certain stolen laptop in Aruba was found all the way in the Dominican Republic?
Do you know why young people in Aruba have lost respect for their police? Because they have been seeing the police practicing the three monkeys policy covering their eyes, ears and mouth: me don’t see’, me don’t hear, me don’t know, that led to what happened to Natalee.
Why is it that the news some days ago about the Aruba’s youth protesting against the police was not posted on Scared Monkeys ?
So now another milestone is being passed. The long-awaited water search, presumably the final effort, that we were told was going to happen in June is now slated for August.
I hope that all those who denounce the oil exploration companies and their kith and kin will bow their heads to acknowledge the utter and fundamental decency of the contribution to this search.
DECENCY. When was the last time that word was heard in connection with the Natalee Holloway case? The UTTER LACK OF DECENCY has been present on Aruba since day one. The moral filth has made itself plain.
Let’s also remember one thing … it is, or should be, the DUTY of the Arubans and the Dutch to pay for this effort.
So help me God, let us never forget that the burden of doing the investigation has fallen on the shoulders and wallets of American volunteers since day one. Let us never forget this … because Aruba will whine about what an effort it has made and is making.
The government of Aruba doesn’t deserve to have us spit on it. But in charity, I am willing to give them that much.
IF Natalee is at the bottom of the ocean, let us hope and pray that she is found. I know that Art Wood and Tim Miller have said they believe they know exactly where her body is. Regardless, IF she is in the ocean, LET HER BE FOUND.
The family has been too long without justice.
And the perpetrators have been far too long without justice.
Maybe this will change.
Do we want revenge? Speaking only for myself … HELL, YES.
One more thing … if Natalee’s body is not found in the ocean, in what I presume will be a thorough search, and also the final one … will ideas change?
never mind my comment is there,going to eye doctor.
Ben … it’s also possible that they were also trying to come up with a cover story for something else that happened to her, but I won’t go on about that now.
If I remember, the Bible says that God made man in His own image. Hard to believe it these days, but that’s what it says, if I remember.
Pray, then, who or what entity created the Aruban government?
I know Art Wood lives up to his promises. So does Tim Miller; that I got from a volunteer diver that I know.
I don’t know why they think Natalee is at sea. There was only on mention of the possibility. That was Micheal Dompig said that Joran and Keon had taken Keon’s father’s boat out that night.
If they are searching the area originally mentioned, that would be about 5,000 cubic miles of Ocean, or an area about the size of Delaware to a depth of about 350 meters.
I wish them more success than I have had.
Does anyone remember the name Fred Golba? He was instrumental during 911 in locating bodies and survivors. Does anyone know if Fred Golba of Coast to Coast Canine has been on Aruba recently doing any land searches?
If this turns up nothing, will people shrug and say, “Well, I guess she’ll never be found” or will they open their minds and look to South America or Curacao?
I still firmly believe that the NY Chapter of the Hells Angels should pay Joran and the other 4 perps a visit. Results guaranteed.
10061906 – Fred has just returned from Aruba. He was there for 6 days and was well received by the new prosecutor. Apparently he came back empty handed
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
If we do find Natalee at the bottom of the sea, in a container or in a cage, as far as I am concerned, Joran DESERVES, let the crime be the punishment!
my prayers are with Tim and TES.It way past time for her to come home.justice can wait for NAH to come home.Where she belongs.
Susan Thank You;
I was under the misunderstanding he was there at the end of June.
Do you know of any comments made by DeWitt or is he trying to avoid the publicity?
The young Aruban’s had a protest to the police you say??
tell us more…
Yes……do to them what they did to Natalee…it’s only fair….right?
These kidnappers….killers walk free on Aruba soil with official’s and population have full knowledge of what they’ve done.
Aruba is NOT sorry and has made it crystal clear that they’re not going to do one single thing to stop it from happening again.
I don’t think anyone’s eliminated that possiblity entirerly but more suggests to me that she was killed. Either way we’re fighting just as hard.
30. Thanks for the link to TES. “Speed Bonny Boat”….
I’m really glad to see such great equipment is going to be used to search for Natalee! If she’s in the water and they have a valid clue as to where she is, then they will surely find her at last! But…
I might have to eat crow pie on this one, but I don’t see how Natalee could be in the ocean in that crab cage….I don’t think the perps would have put her in that crab cage that would have so obviously been a clue being as how it was reported missing. All that crap that was reported missing was just too obvious a suggestion that she had been taken out to sea, so I personally feel like it was a lie that the stuff was ever even stolen and maybe even a clue that she was NOT taken to water.
BUt if the perps had wanted to dispose of Natalee in the ocean all they had to do was dump her off in depth with a cinderblock tied to her. Nothing any fancier than that.
Like I said, I many have to eat it on this, but if Tim and the crew are using tips based on that cage to find location, I fear this is going to be an expensive wild goose chase. But then again, I don’t believe any tips offered by ALE or supported by ALE are anywhere near the truth.
It would be easier for me personally to believe Natalee is still alive than to believe she will be found by Tim in the water.
Note i earlier said “IF it were true that a cage was stolen thats its likely they put her in it.”
The deep waters need to be searched as a process of elimination.
I also said IF she’s in that cage her skull will still be inside.
SM: Lady Devon, check your email (klaasend)
Regardless of the fact that what the Amigoe article carried, it brought to light some facts that some may not have known, the fact that the editors/authors of that article are liars and are in positions of reporters who are supposed to report facts. Even the America media now taking note of the way they have been spun by the lying liars lends a lot more credibility to Jossy and Natalee’s family. The mainstream media may even wake up one day and notice it. It was a long time before Greta came on board. She tends to go with the MSM, which Fox is not considered a part of but do remember for years, Greta believed OJ. She finally was shown how wrong her opinion was there. She never truly believed Beth and Dave until she flat had it thrown in her face what lying liars are in charge of reporting facts in Aruba. More is coming. Beth’s book is on the way. Lying liars are being exposed from Brabant to Montaja.
Thanks Klass.
If her body is at the bottom of the ocean, it may or may not be in a cage. We know that Tim Miller and Art Wood believe that this is what happened, and don’t know for sure what they may have heard.
It was said that Fred Galba was back on Aruba with his dogs, and found nothing. No land search has been productive yet (which doesn’t mean that her body couldn’t have been put elsewhere on land).
Now the water search is coming up. Presumably this will either work or it won’t … either it will end one big part of the mystery or it won’t. Either way, something, anything that promises to advance our knowledge is to be welcomed and applauded.
IF Natalee is in the water, and IF they find her, then that much will be over. Maybe then our government will take this seriously … something it has hardly done yet.
But I’m not convinced that her body is in the water. We’ll have to wait and see.
I forget the name of the law firm that Paulus of the Ditch works for, but I’ll bet he’s getting some very curious looks there. Wonder if he’s even being assigned to any cases … or if anyone would want the scum working for them.
susan 63:
In all due respect; how did you find that info on Fred?
I searched and searched and could not find anything.
Did he have any dogs with him and did he need a permit for them?
#34: the planes weren’t there to look for Natalee..this was passed off as an effort to find her by the ALE. this was a routine flight for these planes. that was an easy and convient lie to use.
1006, I remember hearing about that news too. Can’t remember where or from whom.
“For good or ill, let the wheel turn.”
(T.S. Eliot, “Murder in the Cathedral”)
Richard, its at BFN…Dave made a thread.
Mayan, when this is over,soon with Tims help, I think we should all get together…
In all due respect; how did you find that info on Fred?
I searched and searched and could not find anything.
Did he have any dogs with him and did he need a permit for them?
Comment by 10061906 | July 16, 2007, 7:53 am
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Dave Holloway
BFN – July 6, 2007
Fred Golba of Coast to Coast Canine Service just returned from Aruba after 6 days on the island. He indicated he was well received by the new prosecutor and was told the new Dutch team is still active in the investigation. He also advised Dennis Jacobs is no longer working on this case and had resumed his prior duties.
Fred advised he searched areas of interest that were originally reported thru the police tip line. This completed most of the public surface areas that had been surface searched on foot, however, the private lands still make up the majority of the unsearched land area. He also walked the coastline areas for washed up items, however, due to the time contraints, he was unable to complete all of this area.
The $250,000 U.S. dollars reward (approx $450,000 Florins) will continue to be published periodically in the local paper for someone to come forward with valid information on the whereabouts of Natalee.
75, Richard…I respect your thoughts and feelings concerning this heart breaking case, and wanted to try to respond …
I wanted to offer you some thoughts concerning your impressions regarding our government and your belief that Natalee’s suffering was not being taken seriously…
I realize how heart wrenching her story is, and how watching such torment unfold that continues to be inflicted upon Natalee’s family and upon Natlaee – is simply unbearable to watch. I think there are some in Aruba, who would be absolutely gleeful to see us turn with dismay and suspicion towards our own government – as afterall, that is exactly one of the scenarios they’d like for us to fall into: look for blame everywhere and anywhere EXCEPT where it REALLY IS …. WHERE ALL ROADS LEAD, RICHARD ….TO SLOOT TERRITORY, and to their accomplices.
I think from my own perspective, it would be a serious mistake to conclude that based upon what Aruba and the Dutch have failed to do thus far, that this would suggest that the United States government has not taken the human rights violations inflicted upon Natalee AND HER FAMILY, seriously.
I must tell you, that I do believe that the snakes involved in the hideous obstructions of Natalee’s justice and truth – would be thrilled to see us suspicious of our own government concerning this particular matter.
They’ve already blamed our FBI, our government, and anyone BUT the perpetrators of this injustice ( including failure to arrest not only the murderers and kidnappers, but all their CO-CONSPIRATORS).
Because we do not see what our FBI is doing, doesn’t mean that they are NOT taking action.
We do not know to what depths, nor to what shores this horrific injustice goes, but we believe we have some idea.
Add to this the fact that this case involves international criminal ACTS of HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, and all the jurisdictional issues that have been USED to DENY our FBI ACCESS to helping Natalee’s family and Natalee.
Those jurisdicitional issues were put into place VERY EARLY ON ….by …. GUESS WHO?
WHO was the person immediately running over to the ALE, TELLING THEM at 3:30 AM in the morning that the United States FBI had NO JURISDICTION to question the thugs who STOLE Natalee from her loving family?
There are international laws that must be followed, in order to secure for the family, what is hoped for.
Sometimes, Richard given the perverse display of obstructive conduct that was clearly already evident by MAY 31, 2005 – I do wonder whether ON THIS SIDE OF THE FENCE, the FBI had quite an interesting OBSERVERVATORY status unfolding, regarding Mr. Oduber and his pals upon his arrival HERE on OUR SIDE OF THE FENCE, when I believe Oduber showed up here in the United States – afterall, he and his people were claiming that “progress was being made” in “investigating” Natalee’s case, yet, actions taken by the ALE and other Aruban officials – IN LIGHT OF EVIDENCE ALREADY AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THEM – indicated that ANYTHING BUT PROGRESS IN FINDING NATALEE – was being made.
Perhaps that reference to “progress being made” had more to do with the “progress being made” in the obstructions of justice and criminal concealment of multiples crimes of human rights violations that were being commmitted against Natalee that were ALL being COVERED UP.
I do wonder, whether the FBI might have been quite active over on this side of the fence. After all, it wasn’t as though they had no REASON to be SUSPICIOUS and CONCERNED regarding what THEY were being TOLD by ALE officials, and heads of state in the Aruban governement – given the facts of evidence already available to those Aruban officials on May 31, 2005 which seemed to be followed by Aruban officials with absolutely NO ACTIONS taken whatsoever, in acting ON the EVIDENCE THEY ALREADY HAD RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM THAT PROVED THAT THE THREE MEN LYING ABOUT WHERE THEY PUT NATALEE WERE CLEARLY TARGETS FOR SUSPICION OF THIER INVOLVEMENT IN WHY SHE COULD NOW, NO LONGER BE FOUND ANYWHERE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. The surveillance tapes at the Casino, and at the Holiday Inn proved Joran, Deepak and Satish were all LIARS, and that Paulus himself was a big liar. Furthermore, Hotel employees and the NIGHT SECURITY GUARD all stated: SHE NEVER CAME THRU THE LOBBY – which, JORAN and DEEPAK and SATISH HAD ALL PIN-POINTED AS THEIR “DROP OFF” LOCATION.
That was clearly ENOUGH for CAUSE TO ARREST THEM.
Did Karen Jannsen follow through with her duties – based on this VERY CLEAR EVIDENCE OF THE THREE THUGS + P’s LIES?
Did Dompig, van der STraaten or Jacobs follow through with their duties based on this clear evidence of the THREE THUGS + P’s LIES?
Hammer says it best: FAILURE TO PERFORM ONE’S DUTIES, a purposeful FAILURE to perform one’s duties which – well, spells into what it is: CORRUPTION, COVER UP…NOT “mistakes” and “bungling”.
Here’s something else that’s been bothering me, Richard.
Maybe you’ve noticed this too…and can help me figure this out…
WHEN – does the first appearance by ALE officials surface concerning THEIR REQUESTS of OTHER GOVERNMENTS to be on the “LOOK OUT” for Natalee?
Think…. when did that end up getting reported?
WHEN does that take place?
And surrounding WHAT other events, Richard? Think …
I can only speak for myself and say, God bless those DEA?FBI agents who were working this case, and who continue to work it now, because I cannot fathom how on earth they did their jobs, having to deal with the level of evil and depravity they had to face then, and which they continue to face now.
On a personal note, I simply believe we owe it to them to stand by them, to stand by Natalee, to continue to raise good and fair questions, but give OUR TEAM, who hasn’t even been handed ANY jurisdiction of this case yet ( due to ARUBA’s FAILURE TO PERFORM),…that OUR TEAM deserves honor and respect because THEY are not the criminals, and as we all know, there ARE indded ALE law enforcement officials involved at multiple levels who are nothing more than criminals and traitors to their own oaths of office that they took in representation of the PUBLIC’S SAFETY AND INTEREST for whom they took their ‘oaths’ and for whom they are supposed to wear their “badge”.
But it wasn’t OUR AGENTS and it wasn’t our government that betrayed Natalee…and I truly do believe that they are working this case, and they are taking it very seriously, but because of the layers involved, and purposeful obstructions being repeatedly placed before them, there are certain ‘channels’ so to speak, that must be followed in order to secure the outcome that we all hope for.
I offer this simply to say, that this is what I believe.
This child’s suffering is heartbreaking.
But as you wisely pointed out Richard, and quite well, consider the level of abuse, COSTS, emotional harm and distress, trauma, torment, and levels of personnel that have now been put into play in order to TRULY help find Natalee ( I’m referencing things going on both in front of our eyes through such individuals as Tim Miller, the people here who run SM, – and that which goes on unseen, carried out by our FBI and other entities involved in a TRUTHFUL search for Natalee), and consider that while all these resources are being put into play to truly FIND HER,AFTER SUCH HIDEOUS BARBARIC OBSTRUCTIONS PUT INTO PLAY IN ORDER TO OBSTRUCT OUR FBI’S EFFORTS OF EVER FINDING NATALEE… that the murderous thugs who took this precious human life off the face of the earth are on a DAILY BASIS, enjoying their freedom, incurring absolutely NO COSTS, having a jolly good time with all their liberties, while Natlaee’s family is PUNISHED, and continues to carry an unbearable suffering, is continuing to be subjected to the most barbaric suffering and indifference, and made to carry the burden of not only ALL COSTS NOW – during TWO YEARS OF CRIPPLING TORMENT, but the fact remains that no matter WHAT the outcome of all of this cruelty, THEY WILL CARRY THE SENTENCE OF WHAT COMES WITH THE LOSS OF NATALEE – FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES…while PUNK LYING MURDERERS CONTINUE TO “NOT FEEL LIKE TALKING RIGHT NOW”, and ARUBAN JUDGES GRANT THEM THIS PERVERSE, SICK, TWISTED NOTION OF “RIGHTS”, while the USA and all those generous individuals trying to help bear with Natalee’s family – ALL COSTS for FINDING THIS PRECIOUS AMERICAN CHILD!
TALK ABOUT ARROGANCE AND INJUSTICE!
This is why I suggest that in many ways, we hold great power, and should use it:
1. I personally have good faith that our government and the FBI are doing their jobs. As far as I’m concerned – at this point in time, I have no reason to believe that they are NOT doing their jobs, or not taking Natalee’s suffering seriously, and that because we do not “see” what is being put into play, doesn’t mean nothing is taking place. There are so many layers to this child’s suffering, and consider ALL the obstacles that corrupt devils have put into place to OBSTRUCT our FBI from finding this child. I just think we owe it to those men and women who stood by Beth and who I do believe helped to PRESERVE NATALEE’S TRUTH, that we give them our full support and hold the heels of the LIARS, MONSTERS, CO-CONSPIRATORS AND MURDERERS TO THE COALS.
2. Write to the media and ask how their oaths to ‘inform the public’ and “report the truth” are being carried out as it relates to this family’s suffering and to the human rights violations inflicted upon this American child, Natalee Holloway.
3. Suggest the media do some research, to investigate whether Nelson Oduber was in the United States of America – oh, say – around June 4th through June 7th of 2005, – and WHY he was here. This needs to be investigated.
Perhaps the media could do a piece on investigating WHY that just might be of concern for ALL OF US, when it comes to looking at WHAT WAS BEING DONE TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY and her Family during the very same time that Oduber was perhaps right here, in the USA, especially – given the evidence that was ALREADY AVAILABLE TO ALE OFFICIALS and the ARuban government officials, and in light of Oduber’s appearance at that time in the USA, what that might suggest regarding WHAT Aruba NOW CONTINUES to be doing to Natalee and her beautiful family.
I could be very wrong, Richard, but I think that Oduber was in the USA in early June, 2005, and what is most sickening is what transpired HERE on our soil, in light of the barbaric, sickening cruelty that what was transpiring in ARUBA on HIS SOIL in the form of insidious violations of the Twitty Holloway family’s human rights, and the human rights violations that were being inflicted upon Natalee and which continue to be inflicted upon Natalee and her family.
4. Write to tourism officials here in the USA and question what the US tourism boards are doing in advocating for this American child’s rights to come home… because if we don’t stand together FOR HER, particularly on THIS ISSUE, then ALL of us will lose something very precious and sacred that has roots that go back to how we formed together as a ‘people’ in the first place. If Aruba’s plans are to behave barbaric and inhumane, then tourism boards across the USA have a duty and responsibility to notify Americans of the very REAL dangers associated with any consideration of travel to Aruba – BECAUSE of the CORRUPTION and CRIMINAL ACTS BY PUBLIC OFFICIALS WHO PARTICIPATED IN OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE FOR AN AMERICAN TOURIST. There’s just no way around that. Her truth needs to be told, the public deserves and needs to be informed, and the EVIDENCE of this corruption is CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I realize how difficult it is to consider what Natalee suffered, and what her family continues to suffer two years now and how barbaric this cruelty is in that it is ALLOWED to CONTINUE by the monsters who created it, and that it perhaps has taken a toll on many people who continue to faithfully stand by Natalee’s side through this battle for her truth and her right to justice.
I just wanted to put it out there, that I think we need to realize that because we cannot SEE what the FBI is doing, or what government officials are doing, or what other entities working on Natalee’s behalf are doing, that it therefore means that they are not taking this matter seriously.
I do support your belief, Richard, that the ALE and multiple Aruban officials NEVER TOOK NATALEE’S HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS SERIOUSLY.
The only thing that I can see that was taken seriously BY THEM was their concern for themselves, their tourism, and protecting some really volatile, perverted dirty secrets from being exposed, about the REAL truth of what happens to tourists in Aruba.
I simply offer this for your consideration, Richard as we all continue to battle for Natalee’s right to justice.
Keep the faith, and keep asking those good questions.
God bless Natalee.
God bless her family.
God bless all of you kind people who have opened your hearts to them, and allowed their suffering to touch your own hearts.
Thanks for posting that, Janet. I no longer post at or read BFN, but someone was telling me about that post.
It’s interesting that in this post, Dave Holloway says the Dutch are still active in the case … meanwhile, if I remember from what was said here, JQK said the Dutch have left the island. I don’t see how both can be true.
Anyway, the water search is the next big push in the case.
Wonder if Paulus is feeling sweaty these days; well, I guess it’s hot in Aruba right now….
Some interesting observations, Richard.
And perhaps what appears as contradictions might indeed explain other events for us that are equally difficult to understand right now, but which may perhaps be clearer for us later… ? (just a thought)…
I think you are so right, Richard! It must be VERY HOT in Aruba right now. Why, I heard someone say that the buckets are just overflowing with sweat around the Ditch-table.
vicki: Not until Natalee’s remains are back in Alabama.
After that happens that is a great idea if we could all meet someplace.
Paulus and Joran know exactly what happened to Natalee and where she is. But they say nothing. Just continue on to prolong the agony for the family and friends. They just sit there and watch thousands of dollars being spent, not out of their pocket of course, and all the time and effort, watching and knowing the hopes of thousands that she’ll be found. They belong in a cage 800 feet down and no search party.
And search the sand dunes…Dompig states he had a reliable tip…yeah, his ex-brother-in-law, drug addict, drug dealer. That was a made of means of trying to collect the reward money. The brother-in-law gives the false tip, but thinks it’s a possibility and Dompig arranges the search to happen. If Natalee was found by chance, they share the proceeds. Slimy…sucks like pigs!!! Same as, how much money you got!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$…their bible.
If they find Natalee there will be law-suits going in all directions. And I hope Beth and Dave go for every one of them. After what they have been through…I don’t think they could loose any form of justice. Including the death penalty for Paulus and Joran. There would be so many counts of crime.
Per post #81 from Janet about Dave’s statement on BFN.
Dennis Jacobs is no longer working on this case. Why was he ever working on this case? His interviews has no follow up questions of what the suspects say. He and Straten were still meeting in his office long after Straten was removed from this case. He told Dave to go get a beer at Carlos n Charlies and watch his drink, he may be drugged. He asked Dave right off how much money he had. He complained to the Twitty’s that he had to eat his Frosted Flakes and shave before he talk to them and have his coffee. When he did talk to them he was using slurs about women and other unprofessional comments. He called Beth in to give a statement and after she waited 2 hours..he told her he wouldn’t be needing her statement. He watched the video of Natalee not returning and still went out and arrested the 2 security guards. Beth gave her statement, then was approached in a restaurant to sign her statement and when she did, things were left out and changed on it. Dave gave a long statement to him about meeting with Paulus and other things and when he got his statement to sign , it was real short and left out most of what he said. Jacobs told vietvet and his group, not to go near J2K, but to look in crackhouses for Natalee. Jacobs and Stratent never did no home searches on the 3 last known suspects, no body searches, no clothes searches, no car searches, no property searches for over 9 days. Jacobs and Stratent and Dompig did home searches on the 2 guards and arrested them for murder and kidnapping of Natalee on June 5th. Same time Straten said he saw the evidence that Natalee was dead. Jacobs was a narcotics agent. why was he ever on this case? Why was straten ever on this case? We already know the conflict of interests he had. Nice to know 2 years later Jacobs isn’t on Natalee’s case. What person down there selected him to run Natalee’s case? Straten?? Sounds about right. This person is on a police force to protect tourists? I suppose per Dompig, he can blame all the above on the FBI also.
Rick Smid , judge, friend of Paulus, is another dirty deal. Giving Joran immunity to go to the Netherlands for college, overiding Joran as a suspect and shouldn’t of been allowed to leave Aruba……Paulus must have alot of dirt on alot of people, him included.
The temperature in Aruba is 91 degrees and the heat index is 102, for most people. I wonder what it is for Paulus and the band of renegades.
The reward money is now at 3.2 million dollars. You would think if the Kalpoes weren’t guilty and only coached by Paulus to repeat what he said, they would have come forward, take the money and run.
Well, Koen is surely afraid of something big and so is the rest of the Gottenbos family.
Maggie…the police in Aruba are covering for more than Joran and Daddy. They are covering the casino owners. Bet not many people know that the owners of the Radisson Poker room are Americans. 2 brothers from Arkasas. The Howell brothers. They have an interesting past and an interesting daddy dearest..google howell arkansas banker….google aruba poker cheats….google raddison poker room …seems the owners knew the locals boys were cheating the tourists at their casinos and let them
Aruba isnt covering up for joran and daddy they are covering for their cash cow the casino’s
Boycott Aruba
Pearl, thanks for your all-encompassing comment. I guess my reply would be that of course we don’t know everything the FBI did or didn’t do … we do know they complained about being frozen out of the case by the Arubans since day one.
My comments were aimed more, or mainly, at the regular machinery of government that then, and now, seemed not to think that this obvious cover-up was a legitimate matter of concern.
In other words, warning Americans that Aruba might not be a good place to visit.
Of course, not even the American Society of Travel Agents would consider meaningful action.
This is what I meant when I said that our government has not taken the case seriously. The Amy Bradley case is another. The Joel Gove case, where (as far as I know) his body is still on the island of Saba because his family can’t afford to finance a private search-and-recovery effort and the locals, whose job it should be, CAN’T BE BOTHERED.
Of course, when the American family were drugged in the Aruban casino and the wife was taken out to the desert and raped … what action did our government take then?
You got it. Nada.
Of course, it’s safe to say that whatever the FBI might have done, or tried to do, or thought about doing … as far as we know, nothing has been achieved. Except a lot of American money and sweat have been invested … while the Arubans stood around and overcharged.
10061906 – Sorry, I forgot to mention where I had read about Fred Golba’s recent visit to Aruba
It is on BFN.
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Screw the murdering raping Van der sloot family.
Screw the Kalpoes.
Screw the Dompig scuzzbag family, Gerold & Michael.
Scew that fleabag of a hooker, Karin Jaansen.
Screw Rudy Croes.
Screw Nelson Oduber, & his son that brutally raped
the family maid.
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Hey…
Where I come from, we refer to those pieces of
floating sewer refuse as ‘walking targets.’
…
Down with Aruba if they want to continue to
stand in the way of Justice 4 Natalee! This can take
as long as they want! There is no bottom to this
pit, if they want to keep playing these games. We
have the resources and wherewithal to wait them
out, and suffocate them to death. In fact, after the
suffering and pain that they’ve caused, some may even
consider it a pleasure, and worth the wait. -j4n
NATALEE NEEDS JUSTICE, AND SHE’LL GET IT ONE DAY SOON.
Here is a blast from the past!
CBS – http://tinyurl.com/ys96we
-j4n
Doesn’t anyone think she has been eated by fish if she was in the water? Gee, two years of just remaining intact sounds beyond a miracle.
If Natalee is way below in the sea, there are not that many fish, but alot of lobster. Her skull would still be there and from that DNA would be still be available.
Paulus proclaims, no body no case…that is not true. It is difficult to prove but you can have a murder conviction without a body, and he knows that without saying so!
Joran, is a sociopath….society in the Netherlands need to do something about it…Eric Smid allowed him immunity to attend college, which never should of happened. Expose him to other innocent victims., where does this stop. Are you going to wait until he harms another victim, If he does it lies on the shoulders of ERIC SMID! He assumes all responsibility for Joran and is accountable for all of his actions!
#95
Natalee’s body might be in a container of some sort.
Thanks to smish.
& a hello to Mayan Moons.
As far as boycotting Holland goes, you better check this website with regards to Offshore Construction…..
http://www.ihcholland.com/t/ihcholland_com/0_frameset/frames_1.htm?/t/ihcholland_com/news/kiellegging.htm
Hello to everyone here,
I just came back from Aruba. I stayed there for 1 month. I spoke to many Americans and locals as possible. I’m glad that the locals were kind enough to listen to the otherside of the story and many agreed with me. So that is a progress hahah I also spoke to one cop from New Jersey on the party boat Tattoo. At first i didn’t know how to ask him about this case but after a few drinks i finally asked him this question. What do you think happened to Natalee? He first didn’t know how to answer the question…hahhaha He didn’t expected i guess or he was afraid that i would get offended if he told me what he really thought happened to Natalee. But i told him that i won ´t get offended or anything if he thinks Aruba is covering up this case. So he told me what he thinks happened and well it’s no different than what you monkeys here think about this case. I also met a group of young american girls at the moomba beach. They asked me if i could take their picture. When i was about to take their picture, one girl yelled out, “can everybody say Nataleeeeeeeeeeeee”. What i noticed is that this is kinda turning into a tourist attraction. When i was in a restaurant in the Holiday inn. I heard some pple saying “oh, this is the same hotel that natalee stayed”. It looks like most tourists wants to visit the places Natalee was or stayed.
A recent thread dealt with the theft of a laptop computer from the Dutch investigators in Aruba. Somehow it wound up on the Dominican Republic, laden with information both on Natalee’s case and the crime/drug situation in general.
This article from today’s news might be of interest. It is about Puerto Rico, but illustrates the degree of corruption that accompanies drug trafficking and lowly paid police.
Officials of all ranks have been involved with dark deeds.
Why, there are even reports of corrupt judges!
Well, at least we know this can’t happen on Aruba.
http://www.miamiherald.com/884/story/172755.html
PUERTO RICO
Police corruption undermines Puerto Rican drug war
Puerto Rican police, prosecutors and other public officials have been investigated for working with local drug dealers.
BY FRANCES ROBLES
frobles@MiamiHerald.com
SAN JUAN —
Every time law enforcement officers in Puerto Rico closed in on the island’s most-wanted fugitive last year, drug trafficker Alex Trujillo skipped out just in time.
He was captured only after the joint federal and local task force hunting him down was cut in half to weed out suspected insider informants, Police Superintendent Pedro Toledo said.
And after investigators at Puerto Rico’s Justice Department saw several drug stings flop last fall, prosecutors discovered a department employee who was tipping off drug dealers. Aurea Teresa Cancio Nieves was caught on camera taking $1,500 from an undercover agent, court records show.
As Puerto Rico battles one of the highest crime rates in the United States and burgeoning drug trafficking blamed for about 700 murders a year, authorities are confronting another harsh reality: corruption.
About 100 police officers are currently under investigation, and 75 others have been convicted in federal court in the past five years, law enforcement officials said. The Puerto Rican attorney general’s office has 17 open cases against members of the police department.
As a hub for cocaine and heroin arriving from Colombia on the way to mainland U.S. streets, Puerto Rico is so steeped in drug corruption that even a top prosecutor was accused of accepting a Mercedes Benz from a known dealer. The U.S. government estimates that 20 percent of the cocaine from Colombia passes through the Caribbean.
”We have had officers using police cars to escort drug dealers, and we have arrested officers selling weapons to undercover agents,” Toledo said. “We have many honest, hard-working officers, but some violate their oath. We have to get rid of them. We are not going to cover up corruption.”
Between 1993 and 2000, the Puerto Rico Police Department expelled 1,000 police officers on a variety of criminal charges, Toledo said. But he stressed that there are about 20,000 officers across the island of 4 million people — one of the world’s highest police-per-capita ratios — making the corrupt officers a comparatively small minority.
In November, two officers assigned to the Arecibo station on the north coast were sentenced to 65 years in prison for protecting cocaine shipments. Another got 40 years.
`LOST HONOR’
In 2001, 32 officers were arrested in the biggest police corruption case in the island’s history, dubbed ”Operation Lost Honor.” Officers were accused of using their patrol cars to protect cocaine shipments.
In 2004, 16 officers, including two women, were charged with conspiring to sell drugs in ”Operation Dark Justice.” In yet another police corruption case, ”Blue Shame,” prosecutors publicly complained that they suspected judges involved in the case were corrupt.
”This is not something new,” said Luis S. Fraticelli, special agent in charge of the FBI’s San Juan office. “This has has been going on in Puerto Rico as long as I can remember.”
In the 1970s, he said, corruption was so rampant that some officers were charged with murder.
”We have had undercover agents pose as drug traffickers who hire corrupt police officers to protect shipments of 30 kilos,” Fraticelli said in a recent interview. “To protect that shipment from point A to point B, one trip is $4,000. If it’s five cops, you’re talking $20,000.
“If we offered enough, they used their police uniforms and their patrol cars to protect that load.”
Law enforcement authorities say while it’s likely that most drug dealers here have a police officer on the payroll, the corruption does not appear to be organized or to reach police brass.
Police Association President José RodrÃguez said ”98 percent” of police officers were honest, and that the department leadership publicizes isolated corruption cases in order to cover up its lack of progress in the fight against crime.
”There are corrupt police in Puerto Rico, but not as much as other cities in the United States,” RodrÃguez said. “These cases are not so frequent, despite our low pay. We are the lowest paid police officers in the entire country.”
Officers make about $26,400 a year, said RodrÃguez, a police captain in Carolina, a municipality near San Juan. He added that in Puerto Rico, sergeants supervise 35 to 30 patrol officers, compared to an average of 10 in the United States.
”It’s impossible to have effective control,” he said.
Toledo said the island’s police department plans to raise the minimum hiring age from 18 to 21 and beef up its screening process to include polygraphs. But he and other authorities agreed that to stop corrupt police, they have to stop drug trafficking. And to do that, they must largely rely on federal agencies because local police are prohibited by law from tapping phone lines, using body recorders or holding suspects without bail.
U.S. Attorney Rosa Emilia RodrÃguez-Vélez said her office has lowered the threshold for the cases federal prosecutors will take. Her office now regularly files gun possession charges and drug cases for low quantities of cocaine in the quest to crack down on street-level drug peddlers.
”I was local assistant D.A. for 10 years. I got to know a lot of officers; their commitment is extraordinary,” she said. “The vast majority — vast majority — are good, decent officers. This is not an indictment of the police force. It’s an indictment against members who misuse their positions.”
CRIME REDUCTION
Law enforcement agencies have formed joint strike forces, which are beginning to show reductions in crime in the pilot cities where they were launched.
”The issue is not the police. The issue is drug trafficking,” she said. “We have a drug trafficking problem and a violent crime problem. The murder rate is very high.”
In 2006, 736 people were murdered in Puerto Rico, a rate about three times higher than the U.S. mainland’s average. By July 15 of this year, 365 people had been murdered.
The year started out with an explosion of violence attributed to a power vacuum left when notorious drug trafficker José ”Coquito” López Rosario was gunned down last summer, and the rival dealer who allegedly ordered him killed, Alex Trujillo was finally captured.
When López Rosario was killed, authorities began investigating his ties to three local senators, one of whom brought López along on a series of prison inspections. Although he was arrested many times, his cases always fell apart in court, said Sergio Rubio Paredes, head of the Puerto Rico Justice Department’s organized crime division.
A justice department top prosecutor lost his job when accused of accepting a Mercedes Benz from López. Although he was cleared of wrongdoing, his contract was not renewed.
”Coquito had a lot of connections,” Toledo said, “including judges.”
López had friends in the police department, too, the superintendent said: His mom provided free catering to police holiday parties.
”We need to attack the roots of the problem,” Rubio said. “In Puerto Rico, we have proven that hiring more police does not work.”
Arubaanse, glad that you’re back here with us.
While we are posting articles. Here’s one from up here in Minnesota.
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_197225633.html
My bet is the sporter in Aruba and his buddies have some cell phone video that would be very incriminating….oh yeah, but they all lost their cell phones.
md
And here’s another from the Caribbean.
Remember the thread about the “stolen” Dutch laptop that made it to the Dominican Republic? The one that had info on Natalee’s case and the criminal/drug situation on Aruba, or so we’re told?
Seems that the Dominican Republic has some other issues too.
Of course, we know that Americans can’t fall prey to this, even when they’ve been missing for two years:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070717/D8QED7NO0.html
Ricky Martin to Do Anti-Trafficking PSAs
Jul 17, 10:34 AM (ET)
GENEVA (AP) – Ricky Martin will appear on Dominican television and radio for the next six months to warn people about human trafficking and sexual exploitation.
Starting Wednesday, the 35-year-old singer will make public service announcements as part of the “Llama y Vive (Call and Live)” counter-trafficking campaign that has already done work in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Peru.
The ads will publicize a phone line that offers free help and information about trafficking.
Posters and other informational material will be distributed throughout the Dominican Republic, where, according to the Geneva-based International Organization for Migration, both men and women have been trafficked for sexual exploitation.
“According to some reports, more women are trafficked from the Dominican Republic than from any other country in the Western Hemisphere,” said Jemini Pandya of IOM, which is working with Martin’s charitable foundation.
The IOM says Dominican victims of trafficking are often taken elsewhere in the Caribbean or to Latin America or Europe. The organization also has documented cases of minors trafficked within the country for sexual exploitation, usually to tourist destinations on the coast.
Martin, whose hits include “She Bangs,”"Shake Your Bon-Bon” and “Livin’ La Vida Loca,” started the Ricky Martin Foundation to help children in need.
—
On the Net:
International Organization for Migration:
http://www.iom.int/
Ricky Martin Foundation:
http://www.rickymartinfoundation.org
Ricky Martin:
http://www.rickymartin.com/
If Dompig would of made that one phone call necessary to allow the equipment to be brought in to complete the underwater search, we would have been that much further along. We could of concentrated heavier on other avenues, eliminating those that have been pursued. Tell ya where I’d like to ram his cell phone!!!!!
Just sent a note of thanks to Tim Miller along with a donation to TexasEquuSearch….please everyone send him a note of thanks and good wishes for his upcoming search, and a donation if you can ..this man is a real hero in my book..I wish him success and God Speed. Meanwhile Dutch get your finger out of the Dyke and repair this damage pronto. JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
PS I am crossing the pond to UK for a couple of months this week and will keep spreading the word.
Comment re transcrpt (Post #47) to Slutanita Sloop..I wouldn’t be letting that little amoral creep of yours get me cups of coffee ..I’d be scared to death what he might be putting in it!
Arubanese…welcome back. I’m sure the tourists that are there do mention Natalee’s name. But I definitely don’t think it is thought of as an attraction.
Thanks for your feedback, Richard.
I’m trying to keep an open mind, so your points made me wonder: just exactly what does it take for the United States Dept. of State to issue a warning re: travel to what had been considered a “friendly” territory?
I wonder if the State Dept. would respond to such a request for clarification concerning warnings issued?
I’m still holding out for a LOT of hope, Richard!
I think I’d want to hear how Sec. Rice might respond to such a question. I’d want criteria is used, etc. in order for the State Dept. to issue a travel warning on a particular nation.
Clearly, after what has been uncovered, there seems to be just cause for concern for young American women, that – in spite of being THE MOST CAREFUL THAT ANYONE COULD BE – that if the infrastructure is CORRUPT, HOW can ANY AMERICAN BE SAFE THERE?
If crimes against human rights violations are NOT PROSECUTED, HOW could such a territory be deemed safe?
I do wonder how the State Dept. would respond to a request for clarification concerning this particular child and this particular case?
Natalee’s case cannot be considered one where SHE becomes the focal point of study as to the REASONS WHY SHE IS NO LONGER HERE, despite corrupt officials intent on wanting to portray her as everything – EXCEPT – THE VICTIM.
If Aruba advertizes C and C as a local attraction for young people, and there’s Dennis Jacobs, local ALE official, telling the PARENT of a MISSING CHILD to “watch his drink” there because he could be DRUGGED, and we have clear circumstances indicating Aruban polis officials purposefully FAILED TO TAKE ANY ACTION in efforts to allow for what can only be seen as a DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE, despite facts of evidence readily available indicating CAUSE FOR SUSPICION to be directed towards – JORAN, DEEPAK, and SATISH ( AND PAULUS), then – given all these circumstances and what transpired in Natalee’s case, it would seem incredulous that the summation of WHAT happened to Natalee could be attributable to “mistakes” on Natalee’s part when the truth is – NATALEE IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF, and, testimony by friends indicates: SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT ABOUT THE WAY SHE LOOKED.
Add to this, her parents assertions that: GOING INTO A STRANGER’S CAR, NO LESS WITH THREE STRANGE MEN, WOULD BE COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR HER.
Guess what that was followed by, once it was released to the press?
Richard, I do wonder how Sec. Rice might respond to the points you are raising. They seem like fair questions ( regarding how the USA’s government determines WHAT PLACES to place on a TRAVEL WARNING LIST?
I bet the State Dept. would respond if we wrote to them.
I wonder if that would be a good step to take?
Great idea, Kayjay, #107!
I’ve included the address, in the event that you can’t make an on-line donation.
Tim Miller
Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, TX 77539
Repeatedly, it seems to surface that corrupt officials in Aruba would like to portray Natalee, THE VICTIM of human rights VIOLATIONS, as somehow RESPONSIBLE – for her own kidnapping, gang rape, HEAVY BATTERY AND MURDER, followed by “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”.
Surely our U.S. State Dept. has more than enough evidence at this point to see that this child’s human rights were violated.
The only explanation for the FAILURE of the ALE polis and prosecutors, and Aruban judges included – failure to take actions that were clearly called for, as prescribed by Aruba’s own laws, can be found in the fact that ALE officials did NOT want Natalee’s case solved, they did not want Natalee’s truth to be told, and they most definitely did NOT want to find Natalee.
The reason WHY Natalee is no longer with us, will not be found through the creation of more lies, obstructions of justice and a posture intent on coverups, but rather,finding the answers and the reasons for WHY Natalee is no longer with us, can be found by going to where the ALE FAILED TO GO, on May 30, 2005 – “IN LIKE COWBOYS” TO THE SLOOT FACTORY.
Only now do I look at K. Janssens remarks of “We can’t go in like cowboys”, referencing the inquiry’s as to WHY the Van der Sloots were not immediately under suspicion (given ALL THE LIES BEING THROWN AROUND BY THEM, AND BY THE OTHER SUSPECTS) which should have immediately led to a FULL SEARCH OF THEIR PROPERTY, and only now, do I see her remark in a new light – perhaps revealing what she truly intended – that being, ‘We can’t go in like cowboys, because that might lead us to the truth and to finding her, and truth and finding Natalee are NOT part of the “NO CORPSE, NO CASE, ‘containment with the dead’plan’, put into action by Mr. Containment with the Dead.
There were NO MISTAKES MADE BY NATALEE except that which was made by EVERYONE who went to Aruba under FALSE PRETENSES GIVEN TO THEM…that being, to actually BELIEVE and to TRUST that they would be SAFE and their HUMAN RIGHTS PROTECTED THERE. THAT WAS A MISTAKE, WHICH CAN BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE FALSE INFORMATION PROMOTED ABOUT ARUBA ( “HAPPY PARADISE”), ABSENT THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA: AN ISLAND OF CORRUPTION, AND DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE TO THE VALUE OF THE TOURIST’S HUMAN LIFE, AN ISLAND WHERE PERVERTED, DEPRAVED RAPISTS, KIDNAPPERS, AND MURDERERS ARE PROTECTED IN ORDER TO PERPETUATE THE CHARADE OF ARUBA BEING “SAFE AND HAPPY”.
Natalee was lied to! She went to a local tourist attraction advertized for young people as a ‘fun’place to gather.
Why do the questions concerning Natalee, not surround the fact that THIS IS THE SAME ESTABLISHMENT (c and C)that Amy Bradley was invited into, and she is also missing.
Why are the questions not surfacing regarding WHAT WAS DONE TO NATALEE AT THIS ESTABLISHMENT, that caused her to suddenly go from DANCING and COORDINATED, to appearing to have very heavy eyes and behaving in a manner that was completely OUT OF CHARACTER for her?
COULD IT BE THAT NATALEE’S JUDGEMENT, AND ABILITY TO DEFEND, PROTECT, AND MAKE CRITICAL DECISIONS FOR HERSELF THAT WOULD INSURE HER SAFETY – WERE ALL REMOVED FROM HER THROUGH SOME ARUBAN PREDATORS DRUGGING HER?
IS THIS THE TRUTH BEING HIDDEN, ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IN ARUBA?
Is this part of the horrific chain of human rights violations that continue to bind up Natalee’s truth, and which stand to become links leading to MORE VICTIMIZATIONS, MORE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, AGAINST MORE OF OUR INNOCENT, VICTIMIZED CHILDREN?
Is THIS what we hold out in store for our daughters from the SOUTH should we choose to remain SILENT to this atrocity of human rights violations inflicted upon Natalee whereby, young people are not warned concerning the DANGERS and PREDATORS that lurk on the island DUE TO THE CORRUPT CONDUCT OF ALE OFFICIALS WHO CHOOSE TO FAIL IN RESONDING TO A CHILD’S TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE, BY BEHAVING WITH INTEGRITY AND HONOR, AND INSTEAD, THEY UNILATERALLY CHOOSE TO ADD MORE BRUTALITY TO THE SITUATION THROUGH THEIR PURPOSEFUL, PLOT THAT INCLUDES FAILURE TO ACT?
IS THIS WHAT WE HOLD IN STORE FOR OUR DAUGHTERS? …( HEAVY BATTERY, KIDNAPPING, GANG RAPE, MURDER, AND REPEATED VILE DEPRAVITY THAT INCLUDES DESECRATION OF THEIR BODIES, FOLLOWED BY WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE SLOOT’S “WELCOME” TO ARUBA: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE”?
WHERE IS NATALEE’S TRUTH?
WHERE IS NATALEE’S RIGHT TO JUSTICE?
Thank You Pearl for posting the mailing addy for TIM!~
Pearl (#110) — I’ve written to Condoleezza Rice several times, and to congressmen and the White House more times than I can count, about Natalee’s case.
Only ONCE did I get an answer … from a senator in my home state … who said nothing.
In contrast (to give credit where credit is due), I wrote twice to the Dutch prime minister and once to the Queen of the Netherlands. A lady-in-waiting for the latter sent me a form letter saying that mine had been referred on; the premier (at least, the reply was in his name) sent literate and even (in my view) somewhat sympathetic replies.
Quite by coincidence, I found this last night. My contact at Beth’s foundation didn’t know anything about it.
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_629.html
WELFARE/WHEREABOUTS SERVICES ABROAD
Summary: U.S. embassies and consulates help to locate U.S. citizens overseas when relatives or friends are concerned about their welfare or need to notify them of emergencies at home. The Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad handle over 200,000 welfare and whereabouts inquiries a year.
Privacy Act: The provisions of the Privacy Act require that U.S. citizens over the age of 18 provide a Privacy Act waiver before we can release information about them to third parties.
How to Request a Welfare/Whereabouts Check: Persons in the United States inquiring about the welfare or whereabouts of a U.S. citizen abroad may contact the Department of State, Overseas Citizens Services via telephone at (202) 647-5225. It is also possible to contact the American Citizens Services Section of the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate directly. Telephone and fax numbers for U.S. embassies and consulates are available in our Consular Information Sheets for each country available via the Internet on our home page at http:travel.state.gov or via our automated fax service by dialing (202) 647-3000 from the phone on your fax machine.
What Information to Have Available Before You Call: In order to assist us in locating the U.S. citizen abroad, it is helpful to have the following information available:
Caller’s full name, address, phone number and relationship
Name of the Person abroad
Date and place of birth
Passport number (if known)
Last known address and phone number; itinerary
Reason for their travel/residence abroad (business, tourism, etc.)
Date of last contact
Other points of contact abroad (friends, business associates, hotel, etc.)
For Emergency Family Messages also include:
Nature of the emergency
What you want the person told about the emergency
Name, address and telephone number and relationship of person you wish subject to call after the emergency family message is relayed to them by the U.S. embassy or consulate.
American Citizens Services
Thanks for that information, Richard.
104, MD – very interesting observation you made…
I’ve wondered about that…and couldn’t help but think that given the fact that a man showed up on THE EVENING that Beth arrived on the island, who happened to be someone with communications connections, who very early on just sort of appeared to – kind of ‘help’ the Twitty family, though I’m not really clear on what his ‘help’ accomplished in the way of support for Beth and Dave…still, I have always wondered about how he just kind of appeared that night…have you wondered about that, MD? I think he said he was phoned by a “major friend”.
Still, despite that very interesting report later on, by someone investigating for the family who stated that only a handful of phone calls were made on May 29th, May 30, amidst admissions by some of the suspects that they had been instructed by Paulus concerning various “things to do and not do”, and – with that communications person present so very early on following Beth’s arrival to the island, I did have to wonder whether anyone was being advised to borrow phones of friends, or phones of other relatives, and whether perhaps, phones were ‘rented’ using some interesting names like: Beto, and whatever other names these men used to reference one another …?
Wouldn’t you just love to know not only WHAT took Straaten so long to triangulate Joran’s phone from May 29th, 30th, but whether he and his pal Jacobs made any efforts to triangulate Deepak’s MOTHER’S PHONE, and all the other pals family members’ phones, and their friends phones.
I do wonder how deep the search went for phone records, as well as any rentals that were arranged during that time period.
Hey Richard!
I can still get the easier questions right (What is the
sum of 1 plus 1)… I hope you’re doing well and I was
sorry to hear about your personal loss.
It’s good to see you still at the good fight. Everything
with me is fine. I am officially a free woman and am
ready to get on with my life. It was wierd having my ex
hugging me as we were giving our depositions to the court
reporter. People were wondering if we were getting married
or divorced… We settled out of court. He told my attorney
that he would never let anyone take him to the cleaners the
way he lets me (we both know he’s full of it).
Good thoughts are being sent your way. God bless and
keep you. Smiles to you…
Richard… got the same question again?!?!?!?!?!
I just thought I’d make you smile by letting you know
that he declared that he had $150,000 in cash in a safe
deposit box in Mexico. He thinks he’s slick and he thinks
I’m naive. Our money is in Germany… not Mexico. I
figure in a couple years, when he thinks the coast is clear,
I’ll exercise my undisclosed asset clause. You should have
heard him squack about that one.
Greedy, I’m not… it’s my money, too.
My attorney wants me to write a book, after being the only
poor, misguided wife to ever fight her way out of binding
arbitration. I’ll e-mail you and tell you all about it.
Glad to see you’re posting again, Patti, adn that things seem to be going better. Look forward to hearing about your legal experiences.
With the talk about cell phones, let’s remember something: the fact that a call was placed from Joran’s cell phone does not mean that it was necessarily Joran who made it.
I’ve thought that if the plan behind this whole scenario was indeed well thought out before events were launched (and of course, this may not be the case), that a plan might have been in place for other people to use the cell phones of the suspects.
Doing this would seem to place them in one area when, in fact, they would be elsewhere.
Sound crazy? Overly complex? Perhaps ….
Rest assured, Richard – #118, that there seems to be a plethora of possibilities out there, when it comes to singling out individuals in the Sloot household, for their involvement in what Karin Janssen prescribed as MURDER, RAPE, HEAVY BATTERY and CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD, that she believes was executed upon Natalee Holloway and as it all relates to STATEMENTS OF INCONSISTENCIES, TIMELINES, TELEPHONES, pertaining to ALL the suspects and their co-conspirators.
Take for example that R. Croes wants to talk about Van der Straaten’s telephone calls in those EARLY DAYS.
The thing is, Richard, STRAATEN was the guy conducting the “investigations” concerning cell signals and telehpones being used. He was also the guy telling the media that “she could have come through (the lobby) ANOTHER WAY”, when Richard, Straaten already KNEW, that not only was THAT not true but physcially IMPOSSIBLE, because NATALEE WAS NEVER BROUGHT BACK TO HER HOTEL AT ALL.
The possibilities of scenarios of “what” happened to Natalee continue to be written with all sorts of new “avenues” being created.
ANYTHING BUT TO THE SLOOT FACTORY.
Take Joran for example, who suggested that Natalee could have gone just about anywhere and everwhere – except the possibility that her life ended because she was in his company. In fact, Joran has swimming, partying, hitting her head on a rock, hitting her head while swimming, falling in front of the lobby, then – falling in front of the lobby AGAIN, along with running off, running away, going off with other friends and a host of other possibilities, as his versions of WHERE Natalee is, and WHAT happened to her. The only version that Joran never seems to include though, in his variety of possibilities as to WHAT happened to Natalee is the one where he never seems to be able to explain HOW SHE ESCAPED FROM HIM AND HIS FATHER.
Deepak is now in an “I don’t know”, mode. But, he or his brother were inquiring about “HOW’S THE GIRL”, following May 29th, – which is interesting for two thugs who don’t know anything.
But he sure did know about THAT MEETING that he, Joran, Paulus and his brother all had at the Sloot house by the pool where they orchestrated WHAT LIES TO TELL POLIS concerning their big HOLIDAY INN LIES, SECURITY GUARD LIES.
Then, there are the references made by some of these thugs, regarding the INSTRUCTIONS they all got from PAULUS concerning THINGS TO DO, and NOT DO.
Take May 29th – into May 30th, into May 31st, for example, Richard.
There are some very interesting tid-bits about telephones that just seem to beg for inquiry because something just doesn’t seem ‘right’ about how phone service, and how the signals were all working those nights.
Hmmm.
But not to worry. Van der Straaten got around to checking Joran’s phone records, I think perhaps – close to two months later after Natalee was first reported as “missing”, and in looking into Joran’s phone records, Straaten had even written up an explanation for those ‘discrepancies’ he found which just couldn’t be ‘explained’ according to what Joran had STATED regarding WHERE he was and where his CELL PHONE SIGNALS WERE.
And we know that Joran was GAMBLING on May 30, ..right before BETH ARRIVED, RIGHT on the island?
I mean, how else could his cell phone be in one place and his body in another?
That’s why Straaten had to ‘explain’ it all with those very interesting script lines that were introduced into the phone records.
I’ve never seen a report like that, have you?
You know, where the polis officer conducting an investigation into WHY a CHILD is no longer anywhere on the face of the earth – in the midst of the 3 men ( +helpers) who took her away forever from her loving family, who all demonstrated obstructive conduct, and evidence of THEIR PLOT to mislead and LIE to polis concerning their involvement in that child’s disappearance, whereby the polis officer ‘conducting’ the …uh…’investigation’ ends up EXPLAINING DISCREPANCIES of MORPHING going on between PHONE SIGNALS of the PRIME SUSPECT and WHERE HE SAYS HIS OWN BODY IS LOCATED.
But of course, it seems anything can happen in Aruba.
Polis can willfully FAIL to take action in order that they may protect PREDATORS of children, and destroy statements made by predators, they can fail to seize property of predators when it comes to seizing the property of MEN KNOWN to have taken Natalee away followed by her never being seen by anyone again, and polis can even participate in framing two innocent Black men because when it comes to seizing the property of innocent black men, it appears at least that the ALE CAN “go in like cowboys”. It’s only when the son of a judge and his privilged pals through collusion are involved in acts of criminal conduct that “going in like cowboys” is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION.
It’s those little things like that, which just kind of leave a person feeling, … well, unsettled inside about Joran amidst so very many other things he and his father, and their pals all said and did.
People….I do believe Joran is gay! He might not be ready to accept that he is, but he is surely afraid he is.
I could say Joran is Bisexual, but I don’t think so. I don’t think Joran would put his Johnson anywhere but up some guy’s rear end or in someone’s mouth. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but come on! Joran is gay! And to that end, he did not take Natalee off that night for his own enjoyment.
I do believe Joran took her for someone else, and got mad when Natalee refused do this/these persons, or to go to some place or to stay there by herself rather. I believe either A) he was paid to bring her somewhere, either in cash or in exchange for gambling chips…or B) he lured her off for Deepak and perhaps other of his friends. There could also the C) the bangbus game…but whatever, Joran is gay and was only the lure!
I do not discount that Joran may have gotten frustrated with Natalee’s objections to his agenda and beat her up or that he may have held her down for others even perhaps using his belt to choke her into passing out so those whom brought her for could get what they came for.
But Joran is gay! And he is the girl… which is why he is not ripped or anywhere near ripped like most sporters. Joran has very little testosterone and gets his aggression from frustration with not being able to outwardly be female his own self. Anita, I believe, knows Joran is gay….Paulus won’t accept this so he tries to make Joran into player.
This, as always, is my own opinion which I base on Joran’s own remarks throughout this case.
Pearl,
Here is the most disappointing thing that will come out of this KLPD investigation:
Here in America, a judge can write orders to screw you over while protecting their friends…happens from time to time and I am aware as I was a victim of it in the past. The judge is considered the “Finder of Fact” when dismissing your claims. When you appeal your case to the appeals court, they don’t relook at the facts of your case (which, conveniently the facts were rewritten by the “finder of fact – the judge”) – they look at the procedures taken by the lower court and if they followed the “rules”. This system doesn’t work when the lower court is cover-ing up for their buddies. The appeals court affirms the ruling because they are not allowed to change the facts determined to be true by the lower court. Great system for protecting corrupt attorneys and judges.
In Aruba, we have a very similar situation. Stratten and company did all of the investigation. After making sure the case was virtually unsolvable (disappearing statements, confessions/retractions, witness tampering, evidence, etc.) they call up the KLPD and ask them to review the evidence. Well, if the evidence is tainted, the KLPD is not going to be able to resolve; as they are reviewing the case – not reinvestigating the case. If they were reinvestigating, they would start from square one and interrogate the predators.
Their trip to Aruba and visits to Casa Sloot and Casa Kalpoe were part of reviewing information they had and getting a ‘lay of the land’. Had they truly been reinvestigating, they would have torn up the cement, checked for blood/DNA throughout the two compounds, etc. They didn’t…they made a big show but never reinvestigated….just reviewed.
Thus, the KLPD has a dilemma. It is obvious even to them that this case has had a severe and amateurish “home cooking” by ALE, Aruban judiciary, etc. But their hands are tied – they are the equivalent of the Appeals Court mentioned above where their job is to review the processes. When the processes are “cooked” there is nothing they can do.
Watch for the KLPD to wash their hands of this in the next 90 days. If they don’t, they are just stalling using the same strategy that Aruba has used for the last two years. This decision will place serious egg on the face of the KLPD as they know what has gone down but they can’t investigate the true facts because they aren’t allowed to.
md
As always, MD, your crisp writing brings to light so many very painful truths.
Yet, MD, I do believe in the will and determination of those men and women for whom HONOR, INTEGRITY and JUSTICE were never an “option” when it came to RESPONDING to Natalee and her family’s cries for HELP!
Because of this belief, I do see a glimmer of a possibility of hope on the horizon.
While of course, I may be very wrong, I have to continue to believe in the good that could be, can be, will be possible – that will rise up from this depravity, BECAUSE OF NATALEE’S SPIRIT, BECAUSE OF HER FAMILY’S INCREDIBLE FORTITUDE AND COURAGE, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE ( I TRULY BELIEVE) MEN AND WOMEN OF GOOD CONSCIENCE WHO ARE WORKING HER CASE!
I suppose I could end up with a truck load of egg on my face, but stand beside Natalee with hope, I must and I shall!
Your posts are profound with the truths they reveal, saddening with the revelations they expose, and yet …how can we not continue to forge forward, knowing the incredible display of barbaric cruelty and hideous obstructions of justice at play in THIS CHILD’S STORY OF SUCH HORRIFIC PAIN AND SUFFERING, SUCH BARBARIC VIOLATIONS OF HER HUMAN RIGHTS AMIDST CONTEMPTABLE DEEDS OF CORRUPTION AND PERVERSION TO OBSTRUCT HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE?
Hope we can, hope we shall, MD!
THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES – besides the contemptable one set into motion by Paulus and AIDED BY HIS PALS: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE … CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD.”
There must be other possibilities for Natalee!
The men and women working those other possibilities are on the case!
IT IS NO LONGER STRAATEN TERRITORY.
NO LONGER, DOMPIG’s LISTS OF “BELIEFS”.
THERE ARE NO “COWBOY” QUIPS BEING UTTERED BY WOMEN SUCH AS K. JANSSEN.
THERE ARE NO MOUTH PIECES “EXPLAINING DUTCH LAW” TO ALL OF US IMBECILES WHO JUST CAN’T SEEM TO QUITE – GET IT!!!! (Bye, bye Ms. Shippers. Do say hello to Guido for all of us when you run into him at the next “explaining Dutch law session” that you run.)
And look what’s left: JULIA AND DOMPIG!
Dompig is on re-runs…and has turned into such a very sad figure.
Julia seems to on re-runs as well, except you never know, there could be a nice refreshing bucket of ice or truth serum, for her pals of whom she is so concerned regarding that HOT FBI BREATH she seemed to be concerned about that might be so uncomfortable for her friends, and which Julia perceived being directed upon some of her friends.
Imagine if all the co-conspirators and criminals involved in violating Natalee’s human rights were to be given TRUTH SERUM for breakfeast!
Would TWO WEEKS be long enough, for Dompig’s version of what it would take to reiterate ALL THE LIES told?
So how does Joran being gay play into why this case has not been solved?
Well, to solve anything you must first look in the right direction.
So far this case has been investigated on the premise that Joran took Natalee off to have sex with her. Now, if that were the case, then it would not prove anything at all if ‘something bad happened’ to Natalee during some sexual romp with Joran so there would be no need to hide a body. I say that because no matter what had happened to her…even if she were alive to tell about it…..anything could be his word against hers. He could say it was all consensual. He could even say she wanted rough sex should there be any marks on her. If drugs were slipped to her, Joran could say she took them voluntarily. Natalee could deny anything and everything, but so what? If Joran had killed Natalee, still there is no reason to hide her body if all he had to say was ‘she was fine when he left her’ indicating someone else came along and caused her demise. Clues as to who may have done that if a body had been found? Well, Joran admitting he was there pretty much negates using his DNA or any other Joranish evidence from proving he caused her death. As for any other DNA on her, well she was at CC’s and lots of other places in those clothes so I’m sure there is lots of hairs other sorts of things on her that belong to other people. So none of anything found on her could be proven to have come from any person who may have killed her.
To find out what happened to her, we have to begin in the right direction…in my book that means knowing Joran is gay so that means he did not take her to have sex with her. He also did not take her to be a nice guy to her or she’d not be missing. This means Joran had to have taken her for someone else’s pleasure. That’s Number 1.
Now, as we have learned with this case, no matter if Natalee had been found alive or not, with several DNA’s showing up inside her (which of course would mess up the entire DNA thing altogether) all the islander perps would have to say is, Natalee wanted it, and again, her word against theirs. End of investigation. So obviously something had to have become of Natalee that could NOT be blamed on her. That is Number 2.
So if Joran is gay and he lured Natalee for someone else who was not gay, then two possibilities arise. 1) That person has not been named yet. Why? Because as in any account, it would not matter if the person were named if it had been any of those named already because of the ‘he said, she said’ factor. Therefore, it is safe to assume that if she were for someone it was a purchase or a trade off for gambling favors. And that is the only reason why this person would not be named. And it would be someone who is worth protecting because of the effect this person’s behavior would have on tourism or politics in general. OR, 2) the person has been named already and was fortunate enough that Paulus VDS took a sick/pizzed off Natalee into his home to cover for his gay son’s involvement in pimp activities with tourists, after which Natalee died while under Paulus’ neglect of her need for medical help.
In either of those 2 scenarios, it is imperative that Joran’s gayness be the focus because it is the only thing that would lead to anyone other than him being the one who did her in…as in what really happened to her that night. Conversely, as long as the investigation focuses on a straight Joran wanting to get cozy with Natalee, there is no need to look to anyone else for clues as to what happened to her. The case stalls at Joran and Natalee had fun, he left her alone, she is missing and no one knows what happened.
Why wouldn’t Joran rat out whom he got Natalee for? Well, besides that he isn’t ready for the world to know he is gay, he would still be involved in what happened to her because he was the lure. If there were such a thing as plea bargaining in Aruba, no doubt Joran would have ratted things out by now…so let’s look at this ‘ no plea bargaining’ chip…why wouldn’t this be allowed in Aruba? Interestingly enough, it sort of seems like a deliberate exclusion that keeps perps safe from being ratted on, doesn’t it? It’s an ‘if I go down, you go down’ thing. But Joran could tell….he’d get a lesser sentence that the real one who did Natalee in, but then we have the fear factor of mutilated bodies etc which of course now spells organized crime -specifically buying tourist girls for sex- and it makes it appear as if Joran got Natalee for some ‘important person’ and that would really hurt tourism if such a ring were discovered.
On the other hand, if -as I suspect, Joran is too untrustworthy to be allowed involvement in any organized crime ring- Joran’s straight friends were the recipients of his latest female luring game, the only way this would ever be found out would be if it became public knowledge that Joran is gay. That way, he could not say he didn’t pimp Natalee and he would go down for pimping/engaging in forced prostitution of a tourist or something like that. But the focus then would shift to his friends more seriously. And maybe then one of them would crack….because look, if Joran made a delivery and left then he may not know what happened to her or where she is now.
Of course, I can’t leave out the Paulus factor and it is the one I feel is the best case scenario from all that has been said etc in this case. And that factor is that Joran being gay delivered for his friends…something went wrong and they left him holding the bag. Joran goes to daddy because Natalee is not dead yet. Rather than take Natalee to a hospital Daddy takes her home to wait till she comes around. She doesn’t and Paulus is now involved in her actual death.
All of the above hinges on Joran admitting to being gay. So as long as he doesn’t tell the rest of the story…that he is gay….the case goes off in the wrong direction for as long as Joran needs for it to. And that could be only so long as he isn’t ready to come out of the closet or if Paulus is involved, forever.
So the heat needs to come down on investigating Joran as to being gay. And please don’t anyone use his visits to porn sites as reason to believe he might be straight. He’s watching the guys! I’d be curious to know if he has ever visited any gay porn sites? Surely, by now he’d have cleaned his computer hardware, but that does not mean someone still active on those sites might know of him….or that he might be using some other computer to keep his secret.
I think van der straaten might know Joran is gay by now if he didn’t know it before. I think this is one reason why the case has stalled out. The whole night was a lie! And until Joran is outed as being gay there is no new direction to investigate.
so, now he is gay?thats a stretch….anything to insult this poor young man.you people are pathetic
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SM: Who said being gay is an insult? I hardly think he is a “poor young man”. (klaasend)
I agree,Klaas, who said being Gay is insulting….erik, you are on the wrong site if you are defending SATANS SPAWN…he is a lying gutless dirty piece of human waste… He is pathetic and not fit to live. I also believe he has no interest in Girls and he only did it for money. Somewhere there is a film of Natalee which is ensuring all involved to keep quiet.
Ding ding ding! Red Alert Red Alert…Troll on Board!
being accused of being gay can be an insult if you are not gay indeed.I would find it offensive if someone called me gay….satans spawn is a little harsh…this case is OVER…2 years have passed, no evidence linking this young man to natalee has ever been produced.you should drop it and get a hobby besides trying to ruin this guys life.
plus if he is guy thats even more proof that he is innocent as he would not want to hook up with Natalee….so which is it monkeys,,,cant be gay and and a womanizer….cant have it both ways
Eric,
You are clearly new to this site and don’t know squat about this case. If he is so innocent, as you claim he is, then WHY did he lie to police and change his story over and over and over…. Furthermore, have you read/heard that he says “he knows more but just can’t say anything right now”. Yep, sure sound’s innocent to me. NOT!!!!!!!! Crawl back under your rock and get a clue.
NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE. NOTHING FOR ARUBA!!!!
THE BOYCOTT OF YOUR SH*THOLE OF AN ISLAND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL OUR ANGEL IS HOME. PERIOD!
Hi erik, we’ve been waiting for you to come to the sporter’s defense. What took you so long and where have you been the past 2+ years?.
And yes, we can have it both ways. One can be gay and still pimp for others, which, in this case could mean papa Sloot and a whole heap of the aruban judiciary, not to mention Curacao’s favorite judge.
127. This case is OVER…2 years have passed, no evidence linking this young man to natalee has ever been produced.you should drop it and get a hobby besides trying to ruin this guys life.
Comment by erik | July 18, 2007, 4:05 pm
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Eric … the words of the Chief of Police whose position dictates a position of knowledge in regards to the Natalee Holloway investigation implies otherwise.
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http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/gerold-dompig-truth-or-defamation.html
GEROLD DOMPIG – TRUTH OR DEFAMATION
Jurine ruined his own life and his parental units paved the way for him doing so by being drinking buddys instead of parents.
Like others already said, there is nothing wrong with being gay. There is, however, a whole lot wrong with lying especially when it serves to hurt others as Joran’s and others’ lies in this case have hurt Natalee and her family.
Troll, if you would be insulted if someone called you gay, then you are a homophobe or else ‘in the closet’ your own self. See, it’s like this…sometimes when people think they might be gay they don’t come out because they fear what others might think of them…other times they don’t come out because they hate themselves for feeling different and even fear the challenges of living a life as a gay. In short, they see gay as something bad, like you do. Real secure straight men (or women) don’t get insulted if someone asks if they are gay or suggests they are; they just make the correction politely. Isn’t that hysterical?
Joran could be one of everything….multiple personalities…a womanizer, a gay, a bisexual….their so F““D UP on drugs and alcohol, the brain cells are on short-circuit. It probably doesn’t really matter to them, what they do or who they do it with…just the way Joran is always pawing all over Anita is very strange…maybe, in reality he hates her…we know he is a predator, but for what reasons….he can’t tell the truth because the personalities are all running together. Don’t forget, he sometimes wears make-up and lipstick!
Look at Koen, supposedly he was so scared he slept with his mother….the mommie syndrom…but a member of the pimp club. These guys think they’re really hot stuff, don’t they!
#127…you’ve been placed in file 13
I’m wondering whether Joran might indeed be psychopathic, or some variant thereof. We know that the four Dutch detectives originally sent over to interview him said they had never encountered someone like him ever before.
I’m no psychiatrist, and to speculate that he might be psychopathic (a term that’s flung around loosely anyway) is not evidence that he is. But there definitely seems to be something unusual.
My point being: God only knows what he might have thought up and tried to get the other “Pimps” to take part in. And remember … when he was arrested, his father took his Web site down. Destruction of evidence by a judge in training?
Needless to say, that questionable action didn’t count for anything in Aruba.
MD (#121) … Remember, though, that Aruba has formally handed over the case to the Dutch, as I understand.
Today’s news … first, believe it or not, it LOOKS like the head of Aruba Tourism Authority will be hired by West Palm Beach in Florida to run its tourism. He will be getting pay equivalent to that of a top official there.
And guess what one of his main qualifications is?
You won’t believe it; hold your stomachs, and read:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2007/07/19/s1b_CVB_0719.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=76
Visitors bureau looks set to hire CEO at top pay
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 19, 2007
WEST PALM BEACH – Members of the county’s Convention and Visitors Bureau are expected to choose their new leader today and offer a compensation package that rivals the pay of most top county government officials.
Jorge Pesquera, president and chief operating officer of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, is the top choice of the bureau’s search committee to serve as its CEO/president. The tourism bureau’s full board of directors will decide today whether to formally offer him the job.
In hopes of luring Pesquera from his well-paying job, the bureau has put together a salary and bonus package that could bring his total pay to about $195,000 in his first year and more than $250,000 by his third.
In his first year on the job, Pesquera would make more than Deputy County Administrator Verdenia Baker, the county’s second-in-command and the one responsible for overseeing the county’s tourism-related agencies.
Bureau officials point to Pesquera’s 30 years of experience in the travel and tourism industry. THEY ALSO SAID THEY WERE IMPRESSED WITH HOW HE HANDLED A CRISIS THAT PLAYED OUT IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA. (emphasis supplied by Richard)
Pesquera was head of Aruba’s tourism agency in 2005 when American citizen Natalee Holloway disappeared while on a graduation trip there. On his résumé, he takes credit for playing “the key role in the establishment of the strategic communications task force, which worked behind the scenes to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott by some U.S. elected officials.”
Pesquera, who officials say now makes about $250,000, would have to take a pay cut to come here. Officials have tentatively negotiated a three-year proposal that would bring Pesquera’s pay to his current level by offering bonuses using the bureau’s private accounts.
“I really believe this is a great choice,” Roy Assad, the search committee’s chairman, said of Pesquera. “I believe if you want to bring talent, you have to pay for it.”
Pay increases and bonuses for the bureau’s previous CEO, Warren “Mac” McLaughlin, were often controversial. McLaughlin was forced to retire in November when the bureau was in the midst of its nearly $1.6 million embezzlement scandal.
In 2005, the bureau spent nine months trying to boost McLaughlin’s pay, saying he was underpaid compared with other CEOs in comparably sized bureaus. The original proposal called for McLaughlin to be eligible for a $46,000 bonus, which could have brought his annual pay higher than what County Administrator Bob Weisman was making at the time. After county commissioners balked, the bureau gave McLaughlin a much smaller bonus – around $13,800 – out of its private accounts.
The bureau’s $10 million budget is largely paid for by bed taxes, a 5 percent tax visitors pay on hotel rooms. But as nonprofit, the agency also can generate private money through membership and board dues and participation fees.
An audit of the bureau last year by the clerk and comptroller’s office took issue with the CEO’s pay including a mix of public and private money. The audit found that the use of “private funds to increase county-approved compensation and benefits results in unapproved expenditures of county dollars.” The audit concluded that the bureau wouldn’t be able to generate private money if bed tax money didn’t pay for operations at the bureau.
Palm Beach County Clerk and Comptroller Sharon Bock on Wednesday said she was concerned that the bureau planned to continue mixing private and public money and said the CEO’s entire compensation package should be vetted by the county commission. Use of private money to compensate the bureau’s CEO doesn’t require commission approval.
Those who defend the compensation package say the position’s pay is boosted largely by private money – and the amount of bed taxes used would be about the same McLaughlin would have received if he were still head of the bureau.
Supporters emphasized the bonuses would have to be earned.
County Commissioner Jeff Koons said the bonuses shouldn’t be handed out automatically, as in the past, but rather the new CEO’s performance should be evaluated and then a bonus given only if it’s deserved.
“These are not going to be gifts,” Koons said. “He’s going to have to earn it.”
Assad emphasized that if the board wasn’t happy with the new CEO’s performance, the contract could be terminated. McLaughlin wasn’t under contract.
“We are no longer willing to accept mediocrity,” Assad said. “He will be under a lot of pressure to perform.”
Now here’s a strange case from Atlanta … it says two teenage girls from Virginia were with a group … and apparently the group, which itself included a teenage girl, decided to kidnap the girls.
They were going to be sold into prostitution in Florida.
Originally the girls were with the group WILLINGLY, but “things changed.”
The FBI got involved and rescued them.
Sure is strange, because so many people tell us that human trafficking is a myth. Hysteria. That sort of thing.
Well, we know one thing … it can’t happen to an American girl overseas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/18/AR2007071802105.html
Kidnapped Girls Found Safe in Atlanta
By Tom Jackman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 18, 2007; 6:10 PM
Two teenaged girls from Herndon were kidnapped Monday — and found safely in Atlanta today — and Fairfax County police are investigating whether their abductors planned to sell them to a prostitution ring, authorities said.
Police began looking for the girls Monday evening, and called in help from federal marshals and the FBI when it became apparent that the teens had not run away and were possibly being held against their will. The authorities eventually pinpointed a house in Mableton, Ga., a suburb west of Atlanta, and found the girls and their alleged abductors about 3:30 a.m. today, police Officer Camille Neville said.
The teenagers, aged 16 and 17, were not harmed, Neville said. Fairfax police obtained warrants charging Javier Ronal, 21, of Dumfries, Erick Estrada, 23, of no fixed address, and a 17-year-old Dumfries girl with two counts each of abduction with the intent to defile. All three were being held in Cobb County, Ga., pending extradition hearings.
Police said the teenagers spent Sunday night together, at a home near Mager Drive and Parcher Avenue, and the 16-year-old’s father discovered the girls missing on Monday morning. He contacted the other girl’s father.
The parents tried to locate their daughters, then called police around 6 p.m. Monday. By Tuesday, as police learned that the girls may have been taken out of Northern Virginia, federal investigators were summoned.
The girls knew at least one of the two men charged in the case, said Barry Boright, a supervisor with the U.S. Marshals’ Capital Area Regional Fugitive Task Force, “and originally they were with them willingly.”
But at some point, Boright said, “things appeared to have changed. These girls were going to be sold into prostitution in Florida.”
Investigators are trying to determine if at least one of the men was associated with the street gang Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, Boright said.
The girls were allowed to make phone calls at some point, Boright said, and alerted their families that they had been abducted. Federal marshals soon enlisted another fugitive task force, the Southeast Regional Fugitive Task Force in Atlanta, to help with the search.
Police did not issue an Amber Alert, a widely broadcast message to help find missing children quickly, because “we had so many good leads that we feared that putting out a release or Amber Alert might send these people into hiding,” Neville said.
Investigators in the Atlanta area dug up some possible addresses where the suspects might be, and when task force members entered the house early today, they found 10 people inside, Boright said.
The girls remained in the Atlanta area today pending state proceedings to examine their welfare and security. Fairfax police today were planning to travel to Atlanta, and “we intend to investigate it thoroughly,” Neville said.
Apparently Bill Oreilly does not think
this case is over… More Natalee Holloway
coverage coming tonight,
Thursday, July 19th, 2007.
I think there’s going to be a lot more of it too!
I think Aruba lit a firecracker in their ashos when they
started to blame the FBI and the White House for
Natalee Ann Holloway’s disappearance…
Time to bring your A GAME ARUBA!!! Not acting
like Julia Renfro, who by the way is a certfied flea bag,
,full-on wacko, hooker, nutcase… that would be a big
plus, if you desire peace in the near future.
…
Joran is a blood sucking, uncaptured
NAH rapist/murderer… he has asked
us to prove that he did in fact murder Natalee,
and I think little a$$hole is going to finally
get his wish! -j4n
#131 – Janet, Thank you for that information.
What a great website! I have seen postings on the net, but they keep disappearing, and between the information at the SM section and that other site that you posted, it is great to see this information concerning what Natalee suffered being saved for the record of her truth.
I remember that famous quote from Dompig!
Dompig: “GUILTY AS HELL” !!!!
# 127 – Erik, Erik, Erik…
Why do you portray Joran as a “victim” when you know that Natalee is the victim?
Did you overdose on muffins for breakfeast, Erik?
As Vicki and Chicago Jim pointed out, Joran has to man up and take responsibility for HIS INVOLVEMENT in the crimes committed against Natalee Holloway, that include all the human rights violations inflicted upon her and upon her family.
You can’t make this stuff up, Erik, and you know that.
As number 11 – our SM paulus vandersloot says: BOYCOTT ARUBA!
#135, Brie – I’ve place #127 in the oven with the other muffins.
#127 – if you happen to be speaking with yoyo, please tell yoyo that he/she could be so much more than this and that inviting depravity into the home takes its’ toll on all those that yoyo loves. Tell yoyo to find a path that leads to dignity and respect, which is what yoyo was meant to be created for – not this cruelty and injustice!
Tell yoyo that he/she could be SO MUCH MORE!!!
IT’S TIME FOR NATALEE TO COME HOME.
No one wants to dwell on Joran, Erik.
WE WANT NATALEE BACK HOME WHERE SHE BELONGS – WITH HER LOVING FAMILY.
We want her to be dignified with a burial deserving of the beautiful spirit she put into this world.
We want her family dignified with THEIR RIGHTS TO HER TRUTH.
We want justice for Natalee and for her family.
If you feel that the theories being posted here, are harsh, when the intent of these good posters is to SEEK NATALEE’S TRUTH, then WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE THE HARSHNESS FEELS LIKE FOR BETH AND DAVE, ERIK?
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE HARSHNESS FEELS LIKE FOR THEM, AS THEY AWAKEN TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE DAY?
IS HAVING YOUR BABY, TORN FROM YOUR LIFE, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO TRUTH, NOR ANY ANSWERS CONCERNING WHERE SHE IS, WHAT SHE SUFFERED, A HARSH EVENT, ERIK?
IS HAVING THE ARUBAN POLIS OFFICIALS FIND THE TIME TO AWAKEN YOU FROM SORELY NEEDED SLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE, IN ORDER TO CLAIM: “NATALEE SIGHTINGS” – WHILE FAILING TO SOMEHOW FIND THE TIME DURING THE DAY LIGHT TO QUESTION THE MEN WHOSE LIES THEY KNOW – REVEALED THAT NO DROP OFF EVER TOOK PLACE – NOT BRUTALITY AS IT’S MOST PERVERSE, ERIC?
You want to talk about: HARSHNESS, ERIK?
Erik, how can anyone here with even half a conscience NOT find it HARSH to simply “find something else to do” when THIS MAN, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT doesn’t “FEEL LIKE” explaining HIS KNOWLEDGE of HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS inflicted upon Natalee Holloway?
ERIK! Where is your sense of compassion for the suffering inflicted upon Natlaee Holloway, the child who continues to be victimized, the child who SUFFERED the WORST brutality imaginable?
Where is your sense of CONNECTEDNESS to HER SUFFERING, and ALL THAT HER FAMILY CONTINUES TO SUFFER?
You know what the truth is, Erik.
Tell yoyo, that it is time for Natalee to come home to her family.
It is time for Natalee to be HONORED, Erik, and REMEMBERED by all her loved ones…something I dare say that yoyo may even understand.
It is time to lay this precious child to a long fought for, respectable REST and to HONOR HER MEMORY BECAUSE SHE WAS A RESPECTABLE, HONORABLE HUMAN BEING WHO MADE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE IN WHICH TO LIVE!
END THE TORMENT, THE WICKEDNESS, THE VILE, CONTEMPTUOUS CONDUCT AND RELEASE THIS CHILD FROM UNLAWFUL, ILLEGAL, CRIMINAL: “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”, inflicted upon her by MR. NO CORPSE, NO BODY, CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD, HIMSELF.
HOW CRIMINALLY HARSH, HOW BARBARICALLY CRUEL TO DO THESE HORRIFIC THINGS TO A CHILD, NO LESS TO PERPETUATE THIS WICKEDNESS AND CRUELTY UPON HER FAMILY!
H – ell, ever since their baby was taken away from them.
A – nswers to her truths and suffering NEVER GIVEN.
R – est, she was DENIED through barbaric acts of cruelty.
S – adistic criminal conduct that can only be seen as barbaric and uncivilized that include a nation’s sanctioning of VIOLATIONS of HER HUMAN RIGHTS.
H – ell, every single day that Natalee is not set free and granted HER RIGHT to COME HOME TO HER FAMILY.
END THE CRUELTY, ERIK!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND FOR HER FAMILY!
CONTAIN THE KILLERS, THE RAPISTS, THE MURDERERS: NOT THE VICTIM!
129,
Erik is not new to this site…he’s been around since day one. He is a good man, he means well and his family is part of Aruba’s Dutch establishment. He knows ArubaGirl, Sandra Kosterman-Klein, Arlene Ellis-Schipper, Smid, Smit, Van der Straten, Paulus, Ben Vocking and the rest of the players with an important role on the case, its investigation and the communications about it. He is well integrated into the Aruba society, but still holds dearly and proudly his Dutch origins. Yet he feels obligated to keep a coherent and “unquestionable” conduct of solidarity and loyalty towards the island and its people.
The effects of the NH disappearance are very painful for him and so is exploring the possibility that one of “his own” could commit a crime so atrocious, so he chooses to hold to the idea that Natalee could have ran away to Venezuela, Colombia or elsewhere, or that someone not Dutch attacked Natalee after Joran left her on the beach, or at times prefers to blame it on the Kalpoes.
There are many Eriks in Aruba and many of them continue to post here. They are not new to this site. When they express a sentiment of pity towards Joran, they are projecting their own personal pain, because accusations towards the individual (Joran) are taken as accusations towards the group (Netherlanders living in Aruba).
RICHARD!!! POST # 139 – FLORIDA!!!
Richard! Maybe the media can ask Mr. Pesquera what HIS THOUGHTS are about young girls being brutalized, kidnapped, gang raped, and SOLD INTO PROSTITUTION, in violation of ALL THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS – while someone whose only interest is in SPIN-LIES, sits at a desk AIDING in the covering up of her SUFFERING and her TRUTHS?
Maybe someone can ask Mr. Pesquera: DOES NATALEE HOLLOWAY DESERVE TO COME HOME?
SHOULD COMING HOME BE THOUGHT OF AS PART OF “TOURISM’S DUTY TO THE TRAVELING TOURIST”?
IS THE VIOLATION OF A TRAVELING TOURIST’S HUMAN RIGHTS, DESERVING OF AN HONEST INVESTIGATION?
HOW SPECIFICALLY DOES MR. PESQUERA INTEND TO DO HIS DUTY IN CALLING FOR A FULL INQUIRY INTO THE HORRIFIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS INFLICTED UPON NATALEE HOLLOWAY, WHILE HE WAS HEAD OF AHATA IN ARUBA?
DOES MR. PASQUERA HAVE ANY CONCERNS FOR TOURIST TRAVELERS TO FLORIDA AND WOULD THESE CONCERNS INCLUDE THE PROMISE: WE WILL HONOR THE RIGHTS OF YOUR LOVED ONE TO COME HOME TO YOU?
Alas, Mohican – the actions of the few, can indeed cause the many to suffer the brutality of criminals whose legacy is their insidious COVERING UP OF NATALEE’S TRUTH, until HER TRUTH is exposed, until HER TRUTH becomes the foundation for well deserved ANSWERS for HER family that continues to SUFFER the painful, barbaric loss of their beautiful daughter who placed her trust in all the “package” claims that Aruba was “safe” and “happy” – when indeed, criminal acts of the most depraved indifference demonstrated by the VERY INDIVIDUALS who took OATHS to defend and protect tourists, were joined with CRIMINAL ACTS of savage cruelty in VIOLATING NATALEE’S HUMAN RIGHTS, and the RIGHTS OF HER FAMILY TO HER TRUTH.
These criminals celebrated their savagery with: NO CORPSE, NO CASE and CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD, while a courageous loving mother fought back her pain and suffering to find a way to speak to the media to get the message out that her baby needed to be found!
These criminals celebrated their uncivilized, barbaric conduct with pizza parties where: NO CORPSE, NO CASE, was the main theme, while a father sifted through maggots and piles of infected waste to uncover his beloved daughter’s heavily battered body.
NO ONE WANTS TO HURT ARUBA! Aruba was never a goal.
NATALEE IS THE GOAL – you see, because we all now know that SHE was NEVER THE GOAL in ARUBA.
So now, we intend to MAKE HER THE GOAL, UNTIL SHE IS FOUND AND RETURNED TO HER LOVING FAMILY!
WE WANT NATALEE’S HUMAN RIGHTS HONORED.
WE WANT NATALEE TO COME HOME TO HER FAMILY WHERE THEY CAN DIGNIFY HER WITH A BURIAL THAT SHE IS – DESERVING OF- NOT…THE SAVAGE, CRUELTY THAT WAS INFLICTED UPON HER, WHICH THE CHIEF ARUBAN PROSECUTOR QUIPPED WAS: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” and “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”!
WHO WAS “CONTAINED”?
WHO WAS THE VICTIM OF ” NO CORPSE, NO CASE” ?
JUSTICE FOR THE CHILD, “THE GIRL”, THE TOURIST, THE INNOCENT VICTIM WHOSE NAME ARUBA IS GOING TO REMEMBER FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME: NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
BILL O’REILLY! GOD BLESS HIM!
He knows how to ASK questions!!!!!
Don’t you all just love how Joran-loving Trolls come on here and tell us to get a life doing something besides discussing this case all the while they are persistently here reading what we say? Apparently it IS THEIR life to try to make us stop talking about this case.
Now I would say they are too stupid to see they are calling the kettle black, but I think it’s more than that. I think these losers are using Satan’s 3-step strategy to try to win against good people. They may not be aware they are doing it, but if not then it’s proof they have naively fallen for Satan’s lies and that means they have to not know they are following his lie strategy thus making them minion recruits of Satan to help get his work done. (Joran, is a different story because he does it on purpose thus making him more like, as some have said, Satan Spawn).
So what are the 3 steps?
First, push the agenda that ALL OPINIONS on this case ARE EQUAL. Such that, it is equally valid to have the opinion that Joran is not guilty of anything as to have the opinion that he is guilty of something. But as opinions are supposed to be based on finding truth, then the opinions of those who try to say Joran is innocent of involvement in Natalee’s disappearance are not opinions at all, but agendas to promote a lie. They therefore do NOT hold the same weight as opinions that suggest Joran is guilty. We know Joran was involved if only because he was the one whom Natalee went off with that night…but we also know Joran told multiple lies for a reason and that brings up to the Second of Satan’s steps the Joran Trolls need to push….
Second is….DO NOT JUDGE…as in innocent until proven guilty…..Well, the goal of this step in to never get to the ‘proven guilty’ part because we are not supposed to ‘judge’. Besides that though, they don’t want us to judge any truths or lies or even try to discern between them. They just want us to let it go…stop judging. But judging in a necessary and good thing when it is used to find truth for good. If we see sin or error we have to call it for what is it, lest Satan get his way that untruths go unchallenged.
So with steps 1 and 2 Satan wishes the good people will shut up and let his minions get away with evils unchallenged and unabated. When we don’t, then Step 3 comes into play.
Step 3 is the police force of the first 2 steps. It says, DON’T STEP ON ANYONE’S TOES.
I’ll use an example of PVDS to show how this is supposed to work against good.
Paulus didn’t want Natalee’s family to step on his toes so he shunned them by saying they were being aggressive/pushy etc thus ‘justifying’ his right to not help find the truth. Oddly enough, ALE and others of Aruba influence tried this same tactic. Natalee’s family was not being NICE.
Nice is what is needed to get Step 3 done so Steps 1 and 2 can continue to allow evil to win. So let’s look at that word, Nice….
“Nice” comes from the Latin, nescius, which comes from nescire. Nescire is formed from ne (meaning “not”) and scire (meaning “to know”). Thus the word, “nice”, means “to not know”, “to not separate from another”, “to not discern”.
But we are supposed to think Nice means being good, and as good people want to be good they should stop being Mean which is supposed to be the opposite of Nice.
So you see how these 3 steps work? They serve to make us the bad guys by making us think it is wrong/bad to discount anyone’s opinion no matter if it’s based on hiding truth for evil to win over good, to make us think it is wrong/bad to judge untruths so evil can win over good, and then finally to make us feel like we are mean/bad by continuing to push for truths that would expose evils….and by the theory of opposites then that makes the satan minions good. This is the Big Lie that will annihilate good on this earth is we fall for it.
The whole thing summarizes to this….Good people are supposed to be quiet and eat it so Satan’s workers will not have to work at all in order to win. And as good people follow Jesus- or those of other religions that preach as Jesus did about good, then it is assumed that Jesus (and His Ilk) was a peace loving Flower child hippie, which is not true. Jesus was a fighter for good.
Carry on Monkeys! Make Satan’s minions work very hard for what they want!
Joran himself admitted on the Greta van Susteren blog that he knows what happened:
“Someday I’ll tell the truth about what happened, but not now.”
Verbatim (I believe) quote from her blog.
BEAUTIFUL SUMMATION, DG!
Yes! DO NOT MAKE IT “EASY” FOR EVIL-DOERS!
MAKE IT DAMN HARD FOR THEM TO ATTEMPT TO STAND UP AGAINST NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S LIGHT OF TRUTH!
Thanks Pearl! And you are right…Natalee is the light in all this darkness that she and her family have been through. And Natalee will continue to be a Light that keeps the world watching for evils such that Joran and his gang wish to inflict on good people.
You know, some officials in Aruba protested about all the attention given over ONE GIRL. Well, this ONE GIRL is making a lot of difference, more than the whole lot of her adversaries can make collectively.
Yes, DM, …..just “ONE GIRL”.
And our response can come through the power of her light upon all of us; the collective power of ONE VOICE speaking out for THIS ONE GIRL!
One girl – who was brutally rendered helpless, so savages could participate in their barbaric acts of EVIL.
One girl – whose voice they suffocated, whose cries for help they ignored, but she KEEPS COMING BACK!
They can’t crush her little voice, any more than they can silence HER TRUTH!
They think they “controlled the message” – but HER TRUTH is going to become THE MESSAGE, and THEY will be left dealing with the outcomes of HER TRUTH!
America owes a duty to every single ONE GIRL, ONE BOY, ONE FAMILY OUT THERE – that they learn the TRUTH of what happened to Natalee Holloway, and the savagery involved by corrupt monsters whose goal was NEVER to find her, aide her, comfort her, or provide compassionate relief to her family’s suffering!!!
Her voice and her truth will rise up!
They cannot crush her spirit!
They cannot silence her voice or her truth!
ONE GIRL WHOSE TRUTH AND STORY OF SAVAGE CRUELTY INFLICTED UPON HER, WHO HAD EVERYTHING TO HOPE FOR AND TO LIVE FOR …WILL BE TOLD ONE DAY SOON!
Pearl, I LOVE what you said here….
“They think they “controlled the message” – but HER TRUTH is going to become THE MESSAGE, and THEY will be left dealing with the outcomes of HER TRUTH!”
Irony is wonderful!…or is that Karma talking?
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boywonder -
I Have Been Saying Exactly That Since Day One !
The Casino Money Is The Real Reason For The Cover-Up
In The Natalee Case -
BTW – You Forgot To Mention That POS Mike Posner
Owner of The Excelsior –
Did Anyone Ever Get His Current Pic ?
Well, maybe erik is good to pass on some info if he indeed knows the sissy boy Joran. One never knows but maybe a few good and talented men have got together and are planning a trip out of the USA. Oh, and did I mention these men are ” Very Talented” Hum, man I sure would not want to go to sleep at night knowing these guys were around, or are they? Man I wonder if they are there yet? Im not even sure if they left yet. Man Im not even sure if this is real or not but it could be…….. ( Just remember, what goes around comes around.) ” Natalee Will Come Home “
Matthew 5,1-12
Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them, saying:
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Prayer to Saint Benedict
O glorious Saint Benedict, sublime model of all virtues, pure vessel of God’s grace! Behold me, humbly kneeling at thy feet. I implore thy loving heart to pray for me before the throne of God.
To thee I have recourse in all the dangers which daily surround me.
Shield me against my enemies, inspire me to imitate thee in all things. May thy blessing be with me always, so that I may shun what ever God forbids and avoid the occasions of Sin.
Graciously obtain for me from God those favors and graces of which I stand so much in need, in the trials, miseries and afflictions of life.
Thy heart was always so full of love, compassion and mercy towards those that were afflicted or troubled in any way.
Thou didst never dismiss without consolation and assistance any one who had recourse to thee.
I therefore invoke thy powerful intercession, in the confident hope that thou wilt hear my prayers and obtain for me the special grace and favor I so earnestly implore (mention it), if it be for the greater glory of God and the welfare of my soul.
Help me, O great Saint Benedict, to live and die as a faithful child of God, to be ever submissive to His holy will, and to attain the eternal happiness of heaven. and let us say;
Amen.
THE JUBILEE MEDAL OF ST. BENEDICT
The power of St. Benedict is revealed in this small object that has been fostered by his spiritual sons many years. Marvelous is the aid which the St. Benedict Medal affords to its devout wearers in the manifold necessities of soul and body. On this account the Medal is well known and widely used throughout the Christian world; everywhere it is regarded as a highly favored object of devotion.
Origin And Explanation Of The Medal
St. Benedict (born at Nursia, Italy, in 480) had a profound veneration for the holy Cross and for our Saviour Crucified. In virtue of the Sign of the Cross, he wrought many miracles and exercised great power over the spirits of darkness. In consequence of the great veneration in which St. Benedict was held from the early Middle Ages, it followed that a Medal was struck, one side of which represents St. Benedict holding the Cross in one hand and the Holy Rule in the other. Around the image of St. Benedict are these words in Latin “May his presence protect us in the hour of death.” St. Benedict has ever been the patron of the dying, because of the circumstances attending his own most glorious death, for he breathed forth his soul while standing in prayer before the Most Blessed Sacrament.
The reverse of the Medal shows the image of the Cross. Around the margin are the initials of Latin words which form verses supposed to have originated with the holy Father Benedict himself. The English translation is: “Be gone Satan! Suggest not to me thy vain things. The cup thou profferest me is evil; drink thou thy poison.” In the angles formed by the arms of the Cross are the letters C.S.P.B., signifying “Cross of the holy Father Benedict.” The letters on the Cross itself have this meaning: “May the holy Cross be my light; let not the dragon be my guide.”
Use
No special way of carrying or applying the Medal is prescribed. It may be worn about the neck, attached to the scapular or the Rosary, or otherwise carried about one’s person.
Often it is placed in the fields, the foundations of buildings or attached to automobiles to call down God’s blessing and the protection of St. Benedict. No particular prayer is prescribed, as the devout wearing itself is a continual silent prayer.
The Medal of St. Benedict is one of the Sacramentals of the Church, and as such it must be used. The value and power of the Medal must be ascribed to the merits of Christ Crucified, to the efficacious prayers of St. Benedict, to the blessing of the Church, and especially to the faith and holy disposition of the person using the Medal.
The following is a partial list of the many pious purposes of the Medal of St. Benedict.
1. It wards off from both the soul and the body all dangers arising from the devil.
2. The Medal is powerful in obtaining for sinners the grace of conversion.
3. It obtains protection and aid for persons tormented by the evil spirit, and in temptations against holy purity.
4. It procures assistance in the hour of death.
5. It has often proved an efficacious remedy for bodily sufferings, and a means of protection against contagious diseases.
6. Expectant mothers have obtained special assistance for a safe delivery.
7. In time of storms, tempests and other dangers on land and sea it has been found to be a protection.
8. Even domestic animals have been visibly aided by it when infected with disease.
EL PECADO MAYOR
(Genesis 3:5, IsaÃas 14:14)
El pecado mayor,
no es el crimen, ni las drogas, ni el ser ladrón…
¡Es la soberbia!
El pecado de Satanás! (Is. 14:14),
el querer se como Dios.
El orgullo es el pecado de Adán.
¡Es querer saber tanto como Dios! (Gen. 3:5)
El orgullo y la soberbia
visten de difunto nuestro corazón,
nos hacen tiranos con la esposa,
con el hijo, el amigo… con las rosas.
Y con ser tan malos,
son los pecados que nunca confesamos!.
La fe en Cristo, ¡en Dios!
derrite a los dos,
¡y a sus dos hijos,
el egoÃsmo y la ambición!
La fe viste de terciopelo nuestro corazón:
¡De humildad, de gozo, de amor!…
… y elimina en la fuente de nuestra vida,
también los otros dos pecados de segunda categorÃa:
La vanidad, el querer ser más que los demás,
más lindos… más fuertes…
y la avaricia, el querer tener más que el otro,
más dinero, más honor…
¡El querer tener más que el mismo Dios!
El pecado es el único mal del Cristiano…
…y del Pagano.
El no confiar en el Señor
la Biblia lo llama “prostitución contra Dios”,
Os.1:2, Is.1:21, Jer.2:20)
todo lo que no es de fe, es pecado, corrupción (Rom.4:23)
La fe nos preña del Señor,
del amor.
The Ten Commandments
1. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name the Lord, your God, in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and mother.
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s possesions.
The Seven Deadly Sins
1. Pride ~ An exaggerated opinion of one’s own worth.
2. Avarice/Greed ~ An immoderate desire for earthly goods.
3. Lust ~ Desire for immoral pleasures.
4. Anger ~ An inordinate feeling or expression of displeasure.
5. Gluttony ~ Intemperate use of food or drink.
6. Envy ~ A feeling of resentment over another’s attainments, endowments or possesions.
7. Sloth ~ Laziness or carelessness in doing right and in practicing virtue.
What is the difference between Protestant and Catholic Bibles?
At the time the Christian Bible was being formed, a Greek translation of Jewish Scripture, the Septuagint, was in common use and Christians adopted it as the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. However, around 100 A.D., Jewish rabbis revised their Scripture and established an official canon of Judaism which excluded some portions of the Greek Septuagint. The material excluded was a group of 15 late Jewish books, written during the period 170 B.C. to 70 A.D., that were not found in Hebrew versions of the Jewish Scripture. Christians did not follow the revisions of Judaism and continued to use the text of the Septuagint.
Protestant reformers in the 1500s decided to follow the official canon of Judaism for the Old Testament rather than the Septuagint, and the excluded material was placed in a separate section of the Bible called the Apocrypha. Protestant Bibles included the Apocrypha until the mid 1800s, but it was eventually dropped from most Protestant editions.
The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches continue to base their Old Testament on the Septuagint. The result is that these versions of the the Bible have more Old Testament books than Protestant versions. Catholic Old Testaments include 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Baruch, Tobit, Judith, The Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), additions to Esther, and Susanna and Bel and the Dragon which are included in Daniel. Orthodox Old Testaments include these plus 1st and 2nd Esdras, Prayer of Manasseh, Psalm 151 and 3rd Maccabees.
The Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox New Testaments are identical.
It has been 3-4 weeks. Any word on if they are still going?
I have tried and tried to find out if Tim was ever allowed to go back to Aruba.
Does anyone know?