Paulus Van der Sloot and the Man at the Excelsior Casino … You Make the call


The pictures of Paulus Van der Sloot and the man sitting at the poker table in the casino where Natalee Holloway and other Mountain Brook teens were playing are hauntingly similar. How is it possible that more video was not released of the time Natalee Holloway was in the Excelsior Casino? A casino is one of the most video taped businesses. There should be video tape of all areas, at all times of every which angle. Is it the guy in the casino video Paul Van der Sloot?


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(Hat Tip: Klaas)

Update I: Remeber when Michael Posner got so upset about the release of the video tape to ABC news.

ABC VIDEO of the casino

Casino Natalee gambling

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    156 Responses to “Paulus Van der Sloot and the Man at the Excelsior Casino … You Make the call”

    1. robots on May 9th, 2007 9:31 am

      YES, it is SLOOT SCUM

    2. JUAN on May 9th, 2007 9:35 am

      Even Ray Charles(RIP) could see that!!

    3. Meee on May 9th, 2007 9:46 am

      A friend just gave me a copy of the May 14th National Enquirer. It had an article on the search of the Van der sloot place. Art Wood isn’t happy. He said that the Dutch didn’t break up the patio. He said that a few days after Natalee vanished. A backhoe operator told him that that he was hired to dig out an extended patio by the Van Der Sloots pool. The backhoe guy was puzzled because he wasn’t allowed to pour the concrete. It sounded so suspicious that Woods told local detectives. But they didn’t do anything. He also says it obvious that the arubas didn’t pass that info on to the dutch team. Because there’s no indication that they broke up the patio concrete during there search?

    4. joe bear on May 9th, 2007 9:50 am

      yes,yes,yes,it is

    5. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 10:22 am

      What is pretty amazing….is that the videos that were distributed showed Natalee and Joran entering the casino too.

      Yet, the only videos we see are ones with an obscured Paulus and no video of Paulus entering or wandering the casino.

      My guess is that these were the only videos released to ALE and they thought they were OK because Paulus was obscured and the focus would be placed on Joran.

      Paulus is the perp…..How are the suntans going KLPD??? Have you tracked down the mattress yet? Have you dug up the pool yet? Have you retracted Karin Janssen’s letter yet???

      We had been told that under ‘Dutch Law’ the predators no longer needed to answer any questions regarding their crimes against Natalee Holloway — unless, new evidence surfaced. Apparently new evidence did surface and the KLPD found it significant enough to come search the Van Der Sloot compound. So, if the new evidence allowed for the new search….why aren’t the suspects being hauled in and questioned under hot lights??? Because, this is just another show put on to show that ‘every rock was overturned and we found no evidence’?




      3) PAULUS GOING DOWN FOR ORCHESTRATING THIS WHOLE COVER-UP AND THE ‘DISAPPEARANCE’ OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: 10,000,000 TO 1 (this high only because it is apparent that the KLPD is following the ALE lead of focusing on Joran, and the 2Ks rather than the much more serious crimes of Paulus)

      You (KLPD), like ALE, may try to keep focus on Joran….but I will just keep the focus on Paulus. The predators should do seven years….Paulus has 15. Get to work. md

    6. 07YankeeS27 on May 9th, 2007 10:25 am

      I think I remember something about the Casino or it’s management not wanting the tapes to be released to the public or the Media when it happened…

      That patio is some interesting “news”…Also is the New furniture shopping while JVS was in jail…Who is busy doing that????

      There are about a thousand different scenarios of weirdness to this case…

      How about those “police van tapes”…i don’t even think the three of those boys even know the same story about what happened that morning!

    7. micah on May 9th, 2007 10:42 am

      If I was Anita, I’d be pulling Paulus aside about now sayin’,

      “Dude, you got some splain’n to do!”.

      But of course, Anita doesn’t WANT to know the full story – and Paulus doesn’t want to spill, for fear that she’d accidently say too much somewhere – like on a witness stand. So they just go through life @ 19 Montana, as if nothing unusual has happened…

    8. disgustedmom on May 9th, 2007 10:43 am

      Of course that’s Paulus there at the table talking to Natalee. And Natalee’s friends should be able to say so as well as say what he was saying to Natalee. Girls share such things so I don’t believe her friends don’t know the subject of Paulus’s conversation with Natalee and if it was he or she who initiated talk.

      In all the interviews Paulus has given it would have been nice if anyone had asked him if that was him at the table. If he were innocent of anything to do with what happened with Natalee later that night he shouldn’t mind saying he was at the table. That it never comes up is telling. All avoid talk of Paulus having ‘met’ Natalee like the plague. Therefore, in my opinion, there’s something big there that needs to be investigated.

    9. Just Me on May 9th, 2007 10:44 am

      Enabler. Simpel.

    10. kayjay on May 9th, 2007 10:57 am

      Yes, look at the way the hair grows. I have always thought Paulus the Perp was at the center of this case. If the KLPD haven’t figured that out by now they are as stupid as the ALE are corrupt.

    11. Libby on May 9th, 2007 10:57 am

      Minnesota Dad, you are always right on it. I agree with you 100% in your theories and in your predictions as to whether or not Paulus, his demon seed and the K brothers will ever be punished for what they did to Natalee. They will never be punished. Not on earth anyway. This latest search is just another joke / slap in the face to Natalee’s family.

    12. 10061906 on May 9th, 2007 10:57 am

      This is certainly only a glimce at what must have been Natalee’s final night on earth.
      The person sitting to Natalee’s left certainly bears a very strong resemblance to PVDS.
      The tape starts out with Natalee reaching for Ruth’s arm apparently checking the time. Why?
      Natalee also has a strong reaction to what ever the person to her left said to her. Why?
      What was said to her?
      Joran is sitting next to prettier than Natalee Ruth McVay but does not even look at Ruth.
      Who supplied the tape and why?
      How long was the tape that was submitted? Was it edited?
      Willeim Von Cromvorit’s company more likely installed the video cameras. Geoff could have been privy to the security office tapes.
      Natalee could have been chosen by anyone in the security office.
      Who is to Joran’s right that appears to be taking chips from his pile?
      It is certainly intriguing that someone took the time to copy or steal this tape. Intriguing more that the news channel will not say who received it and who sent it.
      Questions, questions, questions and still no answers.

    13. reed on May 9th, 2007 11:03 am

      why wont KLPD at least ask PVDS, why wont anyone say anything about this footage? whether to confirm or deny it is paulus. i just dont understand. why is this footage not being talked about by MAin stream media? why wont the studetns of MB say they saw him? what is going on in this case? does no one want to solve it?

    14. Janet on May 9th, 2007 11:20 am

      It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from the evening of May 29, 2005.

      February 23, 2006
      Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

    15. 10061906 on May 9th, 2007 11:24 am

      Reed. your last sentence… My sentiments exactly.
      I feel its is similar to the Radio Shack game of a few years aga. “Where in the World is Carman Santiago?”.
      However; this is for real.

    16. Janet on May 9th, 2007 11:25 am

      Could there be declarations from employees or patrons which reveal that there was a Paulus/Natalee connection?

      Jossy Mansur
      Dana Pretzer Show
      Dec. 14, 2006
      DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?
      JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

    17. Janet on May 9th, 2007 11:30 am

      1. How did Beth Twitty know on September 20, 2005 that Natalee had met Paulus Van der Sloot … the leaked segment of the casino recording was not revealed by ABC until February, 2006.
      Beth Twitty
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      September 20, 2005
      HOLLOWAY TWITTY: …I don’t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
      2. Could Natalee’s friends who were at the black jack table have revealed this info to Beth?
      Katherine (Madison) Whatley
      FBI Statement
      July 12, 2005
      After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an “older man” and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

    18. Janet on May 9th, 2007 11:58 am

      If it is revealed that the man recorded on the Excelsior Casino tape conversing with Natalee at the Black Jack table is indeed Paulus … the implication is huge. The revelation would imply that Joran lied regarding when and why his father left the casino and ….. it would imply that Paulus lied regarding when and why he left the casino. Both Joran and Paulus’ declarations state that Paulus had left the casino for home in the middle of the poker tournament … prior to Joran encounter with Natalee and her friends at the Black Jack table.
      Why was it so imporant that there was no Paulus/Natalee connection … so important that a father would have his son lie in an official declaration?

    19. Kat_Gram on May 9th, 2007 11:58 am

      Ok, so if it was Paulus, why didn’t anyone come right out and say so ? We knew he was in the casino, he admits it, but the story that he went home early because someone was dropping off the younger son doesn’t seem to be true. We have a picture of him here when he says he was at home.
      So, maybe he never went home at all that evening ? Maybe he was out there after C & C’s ? Maybe he did pick ” them ” up at 4 am like Beth said. Maybe it was HIM who drove Joran home that evening ? I just don’t know how all these lies have not been cleared up by this late date. And it is driving me CRAZY.

    20. Rob on May 9th, 2007 11:59 am

      MD- there is a very easy way to establish where the case is and where it is going.

      The mattress has been in the ALE possession since 6-5-2005 when it was discovered near Grapefeild Beach. They either have it or they don’t. It is either Joran’s mattress or it’s not.

      The ‘belt’ was deemed not evidence even though Joran OWNED a belt that looked remarkably like the belt discovered. Possible evidence gone.

      Edwin ‘Papito’ Comemencia discarded a piece of plastic that a dog made a hit on in the dunes, and he said ‘it is nothing’. How does he know? Possible evidence gone.

      Mattress should still be intact and not cross contaminated. That is if it is in fact evidence. After-all, it’s been in their possession since 6-5-2005.

      But that’s not the point. The point is that the ALE’s chain of custody is either in tact or it is not. If the mattress is still their possession, then there could be something still to examine, or the cover up is complete and we would all know it is a fact. At that point, it’s only a matter of the FBI and State Dept taking over whether the ALE and KLPD like it or not. A crime against an American and a corrupt Government cover up will certainly get the MSM back involved and they will be exposed to a greater degree.

      Right now the majority of people that realize this is a cover up are the people following the story on the net and not in the sofa.

    21. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 12:07 pm


      Agreed….however, I do not see the FBI or State Dept. getting involved. There are higher level political issues with them raising a stink on Aruba. From a government perspective, unfortunately, a blind eye will be turned (just as Bacchus has ignored this cover-up).

      ARREST PAULUS. Bring him down.


    22. Libby on May 9th, 2007 12:08 pm

      Sadly, even if they prove it is Paulus at the table, still nothing will be done. Yes, it will screw up Joran and Paulus’ story as to who was there and when they left etc. However, look at all the other lies that have been swept under the rug / ignored. They aren’t going to do anything. All we can do is keep this site going and hopefully stop tourists from going to Aruba and perhaps stop Paulus and his demon seed from doing this to another girl. That is all we can do.

    23. Janet on May 9th, 2007 12:26 pm

      22. Libby … “Sadly, even if they prove it is Paulus at the table, still nothing will be done.”
      Libby, I agree. Earlier this year the Superior Court denied Paulus Van der Sloot further compensation for wrongful detainment. According to wiretaps and a declaration … Paulus detainment was ruled justified.
      I ask … “Why has the ruling which declared Paulus no longer a suspect not been reversed …. Why has the compensation that he was awarded for wrongful detainment not been repayed to the taxpayers of Aruba and … Why has his right to practice as an attorney in Aruba not been revoked?”
      I somehow suspect that no matter what evidence is revealed which implicates Joran and Paulus pertaining to the events that encompass that fateful morning when Natalee Holloway went missing … they are not going to be held accountable. I pray I am wrong.

    24. Rob on May 9th, 2007 12:29 pm

      MD- I think the fear of the FBI getting involved is the only thing that has dragged this on this long, and could be the reason they are dragging it out as long as they have or can. They will drag it on as long as they feel it will they can keep the FBI out. I also believe that is why we are all hearing that there is no 2 year limit now.

      It is a law that was established by the International Court so that a suspect will not have to live the rest of his or her life in limbo. They agreed that was a long enough time to charge someone or not. Again, if new evidence arises, they can be re-detained and re-interviewed.

      The FBI was on Aruba in the beginning and I believe they know exactly what happened and I can not believe they will leave Natalee on the Beach knowing what they know. JMO.

      This is the last chance for Aruba and Holland to get it right… or the Cowboys will.

    25. downloadingdaddy on May 9th, 2007 12:46 pm

      Yes, that is definitly paulus. Unfortunately I suspect the dutch are not going to do anything to Paulus but let him walk. When I found out they didn’t seach under the concrete I lost all hope that the latest seach was legitimate. I know two very prominent murders where the victims were buried in containers and then placed under the concrete by a pool/hottub and they weren’t found until a year and a half later. Without the concrete being dug up I just don’t believe the dutch are there to solve the case but to complete the cover-up. In case the obvious happens and on may, 30th the case is declared closed, then I will turn up my efforts to inform people of the curruption in aruba and the netherlands. I have a plan to get information of the cover-up out to millions more people if they do decide to close the case, and if the time comes to put that plan into motion I will share it with the monkeys.

    26. Miss-Underestimated on May 9th, 2007 12:48 pm

      Well let the boycott continue. If Holland do not address this video and the patio issue,, we can assume Holland is in on the scam too, which means you better watch out when your in Holland too, all can be sweep under the rug.

      BTW that is the same piggly head that is also in the photos at the rocks in the grey/white car. Sickening

    27. Freebrid on May 9th, 2007 12:50 pm

      That is Paulus in that picture with Natalee! And as for Natalee and Joran coming in at the same time if I recall they made it look that way but the time on the tape was diffrent! Beth knew Paulas was there because she saw the tapes the night she got to Aruba. I’m sure Natalee’s friends had already talked with Beth cause they knew she had left with Joran & K2 brothers from C & C’s. Maybe someone will call the bit about the patio to the Dutch investgators attention. And Anita knows what happened and has known the whole time that’s why she bought the new furnture. She trying to keeping everything under wraps so her monster of a husband, and her preidtor son don’t get caught at their game of sex, murder and lies!! OH ANITA WHAT A WEBB WE SPIN FOR OUR SPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    28. JusticeforNatalee on May 9th, 2007 12:53 pm

      Dutch Team:

      Retract Janssen’s letter
      Stick it to Paulus

    29. SL-Gloria on May 9th, 2007 12:59 pm

      That Paulus was at the casino is not in dispute… at least not that I know of. Allegedly, he reported to arrive from Holland in the afternoon, went home to drop his luggage, went with Joran to the Casino, and left early to tend to one of the younger sons. I don’t know if it is Paulus sitting next to Natalee, but if it is I fail to see how it contributes to further strengthen the case against his son and or the Kalpoes.

    30. Miss-Underestimated on May 9th, 2007 1:04 pm

      Take a good look at the photo with Paulus, Anita, and Beth at the front gate? Why is Paulus looking down and sullen, while Beth and Anita are looking at each other.

      Can we get the body language expert to look at that photo? It speaks to me that Paulus may figure he is caught or looking for a way out.

    31. Richard on May 9th, 2007 1:17 pm

      That photo above, at least, certainly looks like Paulus. One would think that in a place like Aruba, he would be well known enough for someone to confirm or deny his presence that night. After all, he was well known to the casino … enough so that his son was able to play with credit on his account, if I remember correctly.

      Poster Janet (#17) above raised the question of how Beth “knew” PvdS was in the casino before the release of that videotape. If indeed it was, you’d think that someone let it be known to her. Remember, there was (and still is, I believe) a million-dollar reward for information leading to the recovery of Natalee.

    32. Meee on May 9th, 2007 1:18 pm

      Once again. Does Jossy ever print all theses findings in his paper? Does he ever ask about the video tape? Does he ever ask why the police didn’t break up the Concrete? Does he ever ask or put in his paper the lies and misconceptions that are going on in Aruba? Just curious. There seems to be alot he could throw out for the dutch and the good people of Aruba to sink there teeth into. I know Jossy says the right things on TV. But does he print what he knows in his paper?

    33. SUPER DAVE on May 9th, 2007 1:44 pm

      what would really shake things up is if the US issued a travel advisory to aruba like they did in mexico !i still don’t understand why this is so difficult for our supposedly elected officials to comprehend. then again, they are politicians and if it doesn’t benefit them, i doubt that they care.

    34. disgustedmom on May 9th, 2007 2:21 pm

      This case sort of reminds me of the Zodiac murders…the cops had enough on their main suspect to give a jury the chance to come to some conclusion, yet because the letters that allegedly were written by a person claiming to be Zodiac did not match the handwriting of that main suspect the cops never even tried to bring the main suspect to trial….they ‘knew’ the letters would make them lose their case…but that was only because they assumed the letters were written by the same person who murdered all those people. Some had speculated he had an accomplice who wrote the letters and surely that suspicion along with not having any real proof the murderer actually did write letters could have been used to exclude the letters from defense evidence in a trial and the main suspect could have been tried on all the other quite damning circumstantial evidence they had. The letters should not have been a problem, but instead they ended up being THE problem.

      My point is that sometimes the cops think they have to have everything perfectly aimed at one person, but when cells of persons are involved in a crime there is no one avenue that leads to one particular person. I think this is what has gone on with the Natalee case.

      I think PVDS knows perfectly well what happened to Natalee, but since the focus is on her going off with J2K and what THEY did with her, it stops there. The investigators are not considering ‘conspiracy theory’ that someone other than J2K took over after something bad happened. I’d bet money that whoever took over did so without telling J2K the facts so guess what? J2K don’t know what happened to Natalee in the end, which indicates to me that she was alive when they last saw her…maybe sick or injured, but alive….maybe handed off for sex in trade for clearing up Joran’s and/or Paulus’s gambling debts, but still alive etc. So all J2K have to do is say she was alive when they last saw her and not volunteer anything more and they are home free. All Paulus has to do is keep threatening that he’s being harrassed until he intimidates the investigation from taking a hard look at his whereabouts that night and he’s home free too because the government doesn’t want to pay him any more money in case they don’t turn up any proof that hangs him.

      Cops afraid of making a mistake is what has and still does keep this case from being solved, imo.

    35. Jonathan45 on May 9th, 2007 2:30 pm

      On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.

    36. Janet on May 9th, 2007 2:41 pm

      29. SL-Gloria … “I don’t know if it is Paulus sitting next to Natalee, but if it is I fail to see how it contributes to further strengthen the case against his son and or the Kalpoes.”


      Inquiring minds want to know … if the man conversing at the black jack table is Paulus … why did both Paulus and Joran lie in their declarations regarding when and why Paulus left the casino during the poker tournament … prior to Joran connecting with Natalee and friends at the black jack table? Why was there an attempt by both father and son to hide a Paulus/Natalee connection? Lies are created to cover up the truth. What truth was Paulus and Joran attempting to cover up?
      Joran Van der Sloot
      Suspect Statement
      June 9, 2005
      On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the “Excelsior Casino” at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play “Texas Hold’m poker”. (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named “Paul van der SLOOT” to the casino. I went to play “Texas Hold’m Poker” with my father.
      … When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father’s request I sat in for him and played “Texas Hold’m poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the “Blackjack” table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl “Natalee” that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.
      Paulus Van der Sloot
      Witness Statement
      June 18, 2005
      On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

    37. just moma on May 9th, 2007 3:01 pm

      ‘conspiracy, corruption, cover up, cronies, and elitism,

      Dig up the damn pool and fountain! and revers the Janssen letter

    38. just moma on May 9th, 2007 3:06 pm

      Also, some one did hours of work on closeups on Paulus’s watch in the picture of at the table with Natalee. Could they be posted here too. They match… watch, way watch lies on arm on table and when worn when arm is down, color of watch, shape of wrist and hair around their. shape of arm going to from watch.


    39. Jackie on May 9th, 2007 3:36 pm

      Not only is that Paulus Van Der Sloot in the video, but he also knew where to sit so that the camera wouldn’t focus on him so much. He intentionally wanted to stay out of sight as much as possible. When Joran said to his mother “This would not have happened if you had been here” is right because Paulus would have been home with her.

    40. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 3:37 pm

      Here is what is a bit bizarre about this whole casino video thing.

      Video is here:

      Video shows
      1) The predator entering the casino at 19:51…or, 7:51pm for us State siders….
      2) Natalee is shown entering the casino at 20:58…or 8:58pm.
      3) The card game is played at 20:25…or 8:25. Or, 30 minutes before Natalee was said to have entered the casino (perhaps she had left to get a drink or use the restroom….but usually, drinks come to your tables at casino’s and the restrooms are located inside).

      The feeling you get from watching this video…is that Natalee strolled in an hour after Joran and came and sat down at his table.

      But, when you put together the time stamps….it almost is feasible that the girls were playing cards before the predator and his father entered the casino at 7:51pm. It is also interesting that Paulus said he took the predator to the casino, but is not seen entering with him.

      Thus, this may give us some indication why “premeditated” charges were brought into this case. If Joran and Paulus came and sat down near the girls after they started playing…and Paulus is hitting on Natalee…their evening may have been just a little more than playing cards, but rather picking out potential prey for the evening.

      The timelines here aren’t working.

      The girls are playing cards with Joran only 25 minutes after he entered the casino…yet Joran was there for a free poker tournament.

      Paulus was supposedly at home at 18:30…or 6:30…which is two hours prior to this video that shows him sitting at the table hitting on NH.

      The video portrays NH entering at 9:00pm….but somehow her twin is sitting at the table next to Paulus thirty minutes earlier.

      My gut is that the casino/ALE released just these clips because Paulus was obscured and to continue to place focus on Joran.

      Sorry Aruba/Dutch/KLPD — Paulus was there at the table at a time when his sketchy timeline says he was home with Sebastian. I would consider this new evidence….and I would bring Mr. Van Der Sloot in for a little questioning.

      To see the video:


    41. Kat_Gram on May 9th, 2007 3:44 pm

      Yes, it is not a crime to be in a casino, but the point is WHY LIE ABOUT IT ! ! And say you went home ?
      a.) Because you didn’t go home.
      There is a picture of you when you said you were at home sitting in a casino with a girl who went missing a few hours later.
      Paulus wants us to think that he was a good Dad looking after the little kid.
      Draw yer own conclusions !

    42. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 3:49 pm

      Another interesting thing with timelines for you KLPD folks out there….

      Joran claims he came to the Blackjack table at 21:30-22:00 or 9:30-10pm.

      Joran claims he played Texas Hold’em in the “free tournament”….yeah right…where are the casino videos for this? Supposedly he was playing for his father up until that 21:30-22:00 time period.

      But Joran, your father was sitting at the blackjack table with you at 8:25pm. Why do you lie about the timeline between 8:00pm when you entered the casino and 10:00pm???

      Could it be because we are trying to distance Paulus from all of this….he went home, you were playing his hand….alibi for Paulus’ timeline was complete…until this damn video was leaked to ABC. I hate it when details get in the way.

      So KLPD….how much more stuff do you need on Paulus and why everyone in Aruba is covering for him???


    43. ewksingbery on May 9th, 2007 3:52 pm


      I know that the 2 main papers in Aruba are Diario and Bon Dia.I am assuming Bon Dia is more pro government and Diario the opposite.It would be interesting to know which has more circulation and which is more credible.

    44. 10061906 on May 9th, 2007 3:58 pm

      On Aruba there is no such thing as a trial by jury. The accused is presented to a single judge. The prosecutor and defense lawyers both plead their case before the judge. It is his decision to declare the plaintiff guilty or innocent.
      If the accused is found guilty he/she can appeal to a three judge trial.
      If acquitted; Aruba can appeal.

      For what ever reason syndicated crime on Aruba would need a judge in their back pocket; I don’t know. Not many criminals even get arrested.
      PVDS is being blackmailed. It is being driven by the crime syndicate on Aruba. Tried to have a fling while his wife was away, it backfired and he got it caught in a ringer.
      Someone got wind of JVDS and PDVS plans to grab a tourist and have some fun while mama sloot was away.
      Not knowning, Joran and the K2′s when they get to where they are going to have their shark fest; higher ups on the food chain grab her and take PVDS and Natalee to another location. Or they could have remained at the PVDS house.
      The K2′s are told to leave and shut up. Keon leaves and maybe Freddie stays behind.
      Here, they are forced to perform various acts to Natalee while being filmed. The photos are the blackmail material. The original plan for Natalee, was to have her taken back to the hotel, drugged. These criminals made sure she did not. She may have been murdered; shot as per Carpe, with Jan’s revolver. Further blackmail material. When Jan says how can I do this to my best friend’s son. He may not have been talking about arresting Joran, but having to set him up as a scapegoat.
      OK MR. PVDS and JVDS; we have these pictures on file; just make sure anytime one of my amigos comes up for trial; you acquit them.
      Now get rid of the evidence.
      June 10th, 2005. If you do not play along we will tell the news that Joran is ready to confess and take the police to Natalee’s body.
      Ok Ok you win!!!!! Tell the news media they were wrong, there is no body as yet.
      I don’t believe PVDS is untouchable; it is his position as a judge that is being made untouchable.
      We can wrap up Shango a lot better in this scenario
      What do you think Carpe, left field, not in the ballpark or whatever?

    45. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 4:02 pm

      Can someone help me….the ABC video shows a brightened circle around the predator and the four girls…but darkened over Paulus.

      Is there a video that doesn’t have this adjustment made to it? If not, a good question is who did this editing (to emphasize the predator and the girls….but not Paulus)?

      If someone knows of a link to this video without the highlighted circle around the five….please provide a link.



      SM:   That highlighted circle was done by ABC and nobody, with the exception of ALE, Posner, or ABC has a copy of that video without the highlighted area (klaasend)

    46. Janet on May 9th, 2007 4:05 pm

      40. minnesota dad … “But when you put together the time stamps….it almost is feasible that the girls were playing cards before the predator and his father entered the casino at 7:51pm. It is also interesting that Paulus said he took the predator to the casino, but is not seen entering with him.


      According to Katherine Whatley’s statement to the FBI … Paulus (?) and Joran were already gambling at the black jack table when she and Natalee arrived.
      Katherine (Madison) Whatley
      FBI Statement
      July 12, 2005
      After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an “older man” and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

    47. LilPuma on May 9th, 2007 4:06 pm

      Looks like Paulus to me. Makes me wonder if there’s something more going on here than a sociopath, a pathological liar. Joran says he’s interested in one of Natalee’s friends, but Paulus is sitting talking to Natalee and Joran ends up with Natalee. Joran tells his mother this wouldn’t have happened if you were here. Joran gives his mother a detailed description of Natalee and his sexploitation of her. Deepak says “Your own father.” Where’s Freud you need him? I’m not firmly set on any theory about Paulus’s involvement, other than he “did whatever he had to do to protect his son”, but I do think there’s more to Joran’s twisted mind than lying and narcissism. Dig deeper into his psyche, you might find even more unattractive traits than the ones we’ve seen in interviews and his book.

    48. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 4:09 pm

      Thanks Janet….that clears up who was there first. md

    49. TJ on May 9th, 2007 4:10 pm

      Does anyone know if the Investigators have seen the Aru-Bay or the Chicago 510 videos? Have those been posted on You Tube? What about the issue of the concrete, surely they have knowledge that Paulus had it dug up and refused to allow that person to pour the new concrete. They have to dig that section up!!!!
      I do not post alot, but I look at your website everyday and have done so for almost two years.
      I appreciate all that you do.

    50. Maggie on May 9th, 2007 4:37 pm

      One of my favorite quotes from Anita on ABC’s Good Morning America Show.. Hey Anita, what about driving underage, staying out all night drinking and gambling underage, what about lying to the police for 2 years, what about implicating 2 men for kidnapping and murder, what about an underage VIP pass to Carlos n Charlies, what about your husband and Joran at the casino that night aiding his minor son gambling and drinking. These people have no shame. I personally wouldn’t buy Joran’s book. I think it’s disgusting he makes one dime off the name of Natalee Holloway. I wouldn’t buy Anita’s book, the one who sat at the table and described Natalee’s body parts and underwear to her mother in the first few days Natalee is missing only later to say just kidding. Thank God! Paulus didn’t get a dime from the government. After they’ve slandered Natalee and victimized her over and over now they are going to try and make money off of her.

      “If we would have had any feeling that he was involved in something, Paul would have taken him to the police station and said: ‘Here, hold him, he did something. He deserves his punishment,’” Anita van der Sloot said.

      Steve Cohen missing in action one year after saying he would check the tape to see if that was Paulus, because he had been busy and had not seen it yet and he would let Rita Cosby know.

    51. chluke on May 9th, 2007 4:38 pm

      Minnesota Dad,

      It has been said over and over again that Natalee was drunk and drinking at the casino. Looking at the youtube video, what drink do you see sitting on the poker table in front of Natalee??


    52. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 4:42 pm

      1006…Good theories…but I think this case is much more simpler than the intentional static that has been created to muddy what took place.

      Recall in the back of the police car….Satish Kalpoe hit a girl with his car. My guess is that there was a hit and run or something of that sort which Joran fully knew about. The deal was….you squeel on me on the Natalee deal….I will squeel on you guys for the hit and run.

      Be interesting to know about some unsolved hit and runs that have taken place over the last two years…..I bet I know who was driving and who was in the car that night.

      Both situations land J2K in jail. That was all of the blackmail necessary. I do not think it was anything more than this.


    53. Maggie on May 9th, 2007 4:42 pm

      This has nothing to do with Natalee, but thank goodness for some people who put principal over dollars. My applause to this restaurant owner.. and wouldn’t you know it, now OJ’s lawyer is trying to make it about the race card.

      AP Entertainment
      O.J. Tossed From Eatery on Derby Eve
      Associated Press Writer

      Email this story

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      May 9, 2007, 8:44 AM EDT

      LOUISVILLE, Ky. — The owner of an upscale steakhouse in Louisville said he asked O.J. Simpson to leave his restaurant the night before the Kentucky Derby because he is sickened by the attention Simpson still attracts.

      “I didn’t want to serve him because of my convictions of what he’s done to those families,” Jeff Ruby said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The way he continues to torture the lives of those families … with his behavior, attitude and conduct.”

      Simpson, an NFL Hall of Famer and Heisman Trophy winner, was found innocent in 1995 of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman but was found liable in a civil trial that followed.

      Ruby — who owns restaurants in Cincinnati, Louisville and Belterra, Ind. — said Simpson, who was in town for the Derby on Saturday, came in with a group of about 12 Friday night and was seated at a table in the back. A customer came up to Ruby and was “giddy” about seeing Simpson, Ruby said.

      “I didn’t want that experience in my restaurant,” Ruby said, later adding that seeing Simpson get so much attention “makes me sick to my stomach.”

      He said he went to Simpson’s table and said, “I’m not serving you.” Ruby said when Simpson didn’t respond, he repeated himself and left the room.

      Ruby said Simpson soon came up to him and said he understood and would gather the rest of his party to leave.

      Simpson’s attorney, Yale Galanter, said the incident was about race, and he intended to pursue the matter and possibly go after the restaurant’s liquor license.

      “He screwed with the wrong guy, he really did,” Galanter said by telephone Tuesday night.

      Ruby said the incident had to do with Simpson’s past.

      “It was the first time since 1994 he has ever shown any class,” Ruby said. “He showed it that night in the restaurant” by leaving quietly.

      Ruby said after Simpson left, people in the restaurant started applauding him. He said he has received about 100 positive e-mails since the incident.

      The walls of Ruby’s restaurants are decorated with celebrity photos. A photo of Simpson and Ruby used to be on display,

    54. JusticeforNatalee on May 9th, 2007 4:53 pm

      ‘Here, hold him, he did something. He deserves his punishment,’” Anita van der Sloot said.

      Anita, there is still time to do just that.

      We are waiting.

    55. Janet on May 9th, 2007 4:54 pm

      50. Maggie … “Thank God! Paulus didn’t get a dime from the government. After they’ve slandered Natalee and victimized her over and over …”

      Maggie … earlier this year the Superior Court denied Paulus “further” compensation for wrongful detainment. The ruling was based on evidence (wiretap recording/declaration)that convinced the judge that Paulus’ detention was indeed justified. However … in August, 2006 after Paulus was released as a suspect he was awarded almost $30,000(US) compensation.
      Expatica News
      August 3, 2006
      A court on the autonomous Dutch island of Aruba ruled that Paul van der Sloot was arrested and detained for four days without due cause last year as part of the investigation. He was awarded 50,000 Aruban Guilders in compensation. This is equal to EUR 21,800 or USD 27,900.

    56. chluke on May 9th, 2007 5:04 pm

      Look at the video in post 40. Natalees drink is on the table in front of her. She is drinking bottled water!!!

    57. Just Me on May 9th, 2007 5:10 pm

      #53- I totally agree.

      “It was the first time since 1994 he has ever shown any class,” Ruby said. “He showed it that night in the restaurant” by leaving quietly.

      Hats off to this business owner.
      ( Personally I would have rather drop his food on the floor and spit in it, and and and yanno.. then watch him eat it. Im sure OJ gets plenty of that… Good for this guy to kick him out)

      -Joran remindes me more of Scott Peterson-

    58. Allan K on May 9th, 2007 5:14 pm

      Yes I see the Paulus creep in the pic.

    59. Maggie on May 9th, 2007 5:15 pm

      Janet? I thought that was appealed and overturned earlier this year?

    60. minnesota dad on May 9th, 2007 5:23 pm


      You are correct. In fact, the Judge ruled that Paulus had two contacts with Natalee the night of her death and thus, there was significant evidence to bring Paulus in as a suspect.

      So now…why won’t they retract Karin Janssen’s letter so they can reverse the other judgement that stated that Paulus was no longer a suspect? It appears there was adequate contact with the victim on her final night.

      How ’bout it Paulus… bout it KLPD….gettin sunburned down there? You realize….that Aruba has no credibility left, but the KLPD won’t have any either when this is done and that let Paulus walk free.


    61. Janet on May 9th, 2007 5:42 pm

      59. Maggie

      My understanding of the following English translation of the Superior Court’s ruling was that Paulus would be awarded no “further” compensation for his family members. Maggie … my interpretation could be wrong.
      DIARIO – February 14, 2005
      ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
      Translation Credit: Diario

    62. Maggie on May 9th, 2007 5:58 pm

      Anita’s words that Paulus would take Joran to the police station if he thought he done something wrong, don’t match Paulus’s 45 minute handshake with Dave at prison in which Dave said the grip was so tight Paulus had to move his hands and fingers around to get the circulation back and Dave said his shoulder and arm were sore. Pauluss said I am the father of Joran and would do anything to protect my son.

      In that conversation, Dave also says that Anita told him Joran don’t gamble and the tournaments he was involved in at casinos didn’t involve gambling. She also told Dave the legal drinking age was 16 and Joran didn’t drive underage. Dave said Anita interupted repeatedly.

      Paulus said he didn’t say no body, no case, some defense attorny possibly did. He said he didn’t hire the Kalpoes attorneys, but did recommend them. Dave ask him if the Kalpoe brothers are involved and Paulus said no, not I don’t know, but no.. He wondered how Paulus could be so sure. (Dave’s book pgs 31-36)

      It is just amazing to me, all the lies they people have told to so many and never been called on in court and some stupid judge let them go and said they couldn’t be questioned again. I’m starting to believe this is the perfect place to go commit a crime. Wait 2 years to search the main suspect’s house? It all started with VDS and VDStraten. He should never have been on this case. In the meantime Joran and Paulus or the Kalpoes complaining about the police is a joke.. It also makes me sick reading Deepak saying he wanted to mess up an investigation or throw the police off, while someone’s child is in the balance. Just another sign to tell me they knew Natalee wasn’t alive.

    63. Kat_Gram on May 9th, 2007 6:07 pm

      Another thing that is bothering me is :
      Joran was picked up at McDonalds by Paulus. ( According to the liars). Then Joran and Paulus went home for the night.
      Joran does some homework and Paulus goes to sleep. This takes us to about 11:30. Deepak and Satish just come in the front gate after they drive the noisy car to the front of the house. They just come into the yard, not a worry about waking the sleeping Paulus. Don’t foget, Joran was ” sneaking out. ” He wasn’t sneaking out, because no one was home.
      How did he get home the first time ? With Deepak.
      Where was Paulus ? Downtown…..near the Mariott.

    64. Maggie on May 9th, 2007 6:16 pm

      Janet, this is the story I was taking my reference from about Paulus not getting any money back. I could be reading it wrong also.

    65. disgustedmom on May 9th, 2007 6:26 pm

      Survielence vids did not show Joran at McD’s. So, maybe he wasn’t there. But McDonalds is a street name for that date rape drug. So, ‘pick me up ….McDonalds’ could just mean get me some date rape drug.
      Then, as per reports that Deepak stopped his car and went inside *can’t recall what sort of business establishment it was* while Nat was in his car…perhaps he went in to pick up the McDonalds. No one ever said why he really went in there. Must be something they don’t want to talk about then, like drugs.

    66. Janet on May 9th, 2007 6:43 pm

      Maggie .. you and I have the same source but have come away with different interpretations. LOL My grown kids always tell me “Mom .. the world goes in one direction … you go in the opposite.”
      I read the Diario translation to mean that no compensation would be awarded Paulus’ family and … no “further” compensation would be awarded to Paulus. There does not seem to be an indication that the initial compensation that was awarded in August was in the balance.
      Maybe somebody on this forum knows? HELP!!
      DIARIO – February 14, 2005
      ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) GOT A REWARD of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
      Translation Credit: Diario


      SM:   Paul van der Sloot was awarded ZERO.   The original award was appealed by KG and PVDS lost.   He got ZERO. (klaasend)

    67. Janet on May 9th, 2007 7:00 pm

      65. disgustedmom … “Survielence did not show PVD at McD’s.”

      According to Beth … as of December 12, 2005 the security camera recordings of the McDonald’s parking lot that would have revealed activity of the morning that Natalee went missing had not be checked. As Jug Twitty had implied … it was as though the “powers that be” in the investigation where not interested in the truth.
      Beth Twitty
      December 12, 2005
      MICHELLE: “One of Joran’s and PVDS’s alibis was that Joran was picked up at the McDonald’s. PVDS originally told you the first night you met him that he picked Joran up at 4:00 a.m., but he later gave a statement that he picked Joran up at 11:00 p.m. Do you know if there are security cameras in the McDonald’s parking lot to prove this claim?”
      BETH: On June 5, we asked officials to check to see if there were security cameras, and to this day, nothing has ever been done. No one has looked into it.
      Jug Twitty
      ‘Scarborough Country’
      August 11, 2005
      TWITTY: … But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys’ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it’s like they didn’t want to find the truth.

    68. Janet on May 9th, 2007 7:03 pm

      SM: Paul van der Sloot was awarded ZERO. The original award was appealed by KG and PVDS lost. He got ZERO. (klaasend)

      Klaas … thank you for clearing up this issue.

    69. diverboy on May 9th, 2007 7:10 pm

      What I find to be the stupidest thing is that Dompig is now head of anti-terrorist group….now that has to be the funniest thing ever. First of all…terrorism in Aruba…ok…wow…hmmm….aside from the “living dead” choller population, what terrorism? Plus…the headman himself was made a fool by a dutch teenager and his very own cousins. Shows you how “on the ball” our boy is. Let me guess….Steve Croes is going to be the head of SWAT? I guess the medical career was out when he found out you have to have finished highschool to go to medical school. Maybe Dompig should start an aruban astronaut program (he is already in outerspace most of the time) or a sidewalk lemonade stand. Good thing there was good money to be made when chief of police…plus the salary was like a bonus too.

    70. diverboy on May 9th, 2007 7:22 pm

      so where is David Kock lately? no comments on the who took Urine home? c’mon Kock…..whats the real story?

    71. Carpe Noctem on May 9th, 2007 7:23 pm

      For a brief moment this morning, I could totally
      see things from Paulus Van der sloot’s point of view,

      Your wife is a lying, disgusting pig, who from time to time flys off to Holland like a total flake. So you get lonely, and start hanging out with your womanizing, alcoholic, date-rapist,psycho murderer of a teenage son.

      For the purpose of this story, we shall call him Joran.

      Joran is Dutch, it means:

      ‘Oh Snap, Kill The Li’l Bastard’

      So you set out for the casino for a SUNDAY night of drinking and gambling with el-bastardio!

      Hey, maybe he’ll pick-up a girl and Paulus
      can leech off of him for that too?

      It is not really a big island secret, that Joran’s father is a flaccid, womanizing, alcoholic parasite.

      Why do you think they turned him down as Judge, long before the name Natalee Holloway was ever broadcasted nightly on the network news channels?

      Paulus and Joran have always been losers, this time
      it just finally caught up with them.

      After several rounds of drinks, Paul starts feeling really good!!!

      The alcohol is making him forget about
      ALL of his PROBLEMS!

      Even the short, stubby, troll like one currently in Holland, clad in a pair of lime-green,
      Keebler Elfin capri pants!

      Now he starts to see everything in a new light!

      Smiles Everyone!!!! – Mr. Roarke ‘Fantasy Island’


      Paulus was not only considering women outside of his own
      age bracket… He was probably also considering females across many other species, too.

      (sound effect: cow moo)

      For a brief moment, I could totally
      see things from Paulus Van der sloot’s
      point of view…

      (alarm clock buzzer)

      …and then,

      I woke up.


    72. slogmonster on May 9th, 2007 7:30 pm

      The hairline sure looks similar to me.

      And if that is the case I think it should open a whole nother can of worms.

    73. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 9th, 2007 7:38 pm

      To all monkeys,

      I took the pictures, copied them to the desktop, and then put them into an apple paint program.

      I picked colors from the known picture of Paulus and compared it to the picture of the guy in the casino. There is a very ire, creepy, brownish-golden color that I pick up on the forehead of both Paulus and the mystery man. The hair is harder to pick, but I can get many of the same colors.

      The creepy part is the very strange golden-brownish color of the skin of both Paulus and the mystery man. Everyone else that I pick colors off the face has a shade of pink, not Paulus. You have to pick a color from down on the neck to get any pink (unless I’m missing something).

      It is as if evil lurks just below the skin, and is close enough to cause a discoloration to the skin. It gives me the creeps big time.

    74. Skyboxx on May 9th, 2007 8:15 pm

      I’m no detective, but Ray Charles could’ve made that PVS is the guy in the Casino picture.

    75. Carpe Noctem on May 9th, 2007 8:16 pm


      She can be found in VIDEO

      #24 of the ARUBAY / 510 VIDEOS.


      She has a major head injury. (right side)

      It appears that someone shot her in the

      center of her forehead.





      Justice 4 Natalee


      Bring her home,

      she belongs here.

    76. just moma on May 9th, 2007 8:58 pm

      Keep up the good work, Carp!

    77. jenn on May 9th, 2007 9:08 pm

      I very rarely post here, but I have been reading a lot recently, I didn’t know that there were blogs that still were actively talking about Natalee. I have always wondered if there is going to ever be a resolution to this case, and if so how do most of you feel this will play out and when. Do you think it will be something anonymous or do you think that one of the main 4 suspects will rat out the others? Also, do you think Natalee is on the island/in the ocean/or alive somewhere? It has bothered me for since the beginning. I just want to know what some of you think.

    78. jenn on May 9th, 2007 9:11 pm

      Also, I am not criticizing or trying to be offensive? But why do we think now that she was shot in the right side of her head? I am sure I must have missed a conversation that talked about that. Again, I am fairly new to this blog so please don’t flame me. I am trying to catch up but there is sooooo much to read. Some of the statements that you guys make is very matter-of-fact so I am just trying to catch up on what is everyone knows here at this point. Thanks!

    79. wandering on May 9th, 2007 9:32 pm

      the lack of looking under the new cement around the pool is significant, if the dutch overlooked it they did it on purpose, and something else bothers me. I remember running across the pic of one of jurines boy friends with a girls backpack and his nails painted black and a cocky smile on his face, later it is revealed that the backpack is that of a little neighbor of his who he may have sexually molested, and he put the picture out there to taunt the family. the picture of paul and jurine on top of the building looking all smug as if to say”this is where i threw her off the roof after she ran from my rapist father”, and the other picture of the killer on the lounge chair next to the pool, on his laptop, over very new cement, looking as if he is happily on top of things, notably natalee’s body buried under the very spot he was resting on. aruba is distgurbia, an island with a very skewed image of the world and bad Dutch heritage to boot, an island that draws it impressions from false images and a national inferiority complex, like a small dicked dutch man, judge, paulus, feeling his power over a vulneralble natalee, at least she ran. llik eht sloots.

    80. wandering on May 9th, 2007 9:35 pm

      ha ha, sloots spelt backwards is stool, which is really just the sum total of the famil, dutch crap.

    81. micah on May 9th, 2007 9:49 pm



      Why did Joran PRETEND he didn’t know who the police were looking for? From the first night he was summoned for questioning?

      From the beginning: Says it all.

    82. Gunslinger on May 9th, 2007 10:00 pm

      #79 – It seems so obvious, it’s frighting!

    83. Miss-Underestimated on May 9th, 2007 10:20 pm


      On your pics, you say that Natalee was shot in the head.
      Could it be that the drugging of Natalee, which Deepak and Satsissy were part of, then when Natalee had a reaction to the drugs, left her with Joran and Papa S**T. They may have done this to her to provide a distraction from the original crime to make it appear that Natalee was a victim of a random crime on the island?

      I am wondering, because if it were a simple drug reaction, they would have left Natalee at a hospital, if it were simple, which it was not. The JUDGE in waiting, knowing what would be searched and combed thru in a crime scene, then had to make sure Natalee was not found.

      Anita, your model son….who you wondered why Natalee would get in car with him. Yeah I bet you knew the best, why Natalee should not have gotten into that car with him.

      I wonder how comfortable the parents of daughters attending the same college as Pauley’s spittin image son, feel.

      You know though, look at Scottie Lilpeckerson, he has derange women proposing marriage.


    84. 2 on May 9th, 2007 10:30 pm

      there’s too many gov’t officials involved – both dutch and aruban, i’m sure they’ll close the case. i tell everyone before traveling to do a google search of aruba mafia – that’s enough info w/o natalees story to make them reconsider traveling there ever again

    85. Miss-Underestimated on May 9th, 2007 10:30 pm

      In the picture in the casino at the table with that old balding man, Natalee just looks so uncomfortable sitting next to him. You can tell by her turning away and the distance between them. Who’d wanna sit next to an old creepy old man anyway.

    86. 10061906 on May 9th, 2007 10:58 pm

      Has anyone interviewed this person for his thoughts on the Natalee Holloway disappearance?
      About Joran, Deepak and Satish. Has anyone even bothered?

    87. kitty on May 9th, 2007 11:46 pm

      just to be open minded… I couldn’t imagine that the VDS would keep her physically at the compound…that they’d want her off the premises… however, I’ve felt the KLPD would find something at the VDS compound and still should jackhammer the concrete around the compound ~ ESPECIALLY underneath where JORAN is sitting in a photo (placed on this blog) holding something in his hand…. he seems so smug almost like daring everyone to look underneath him where he’s sitting… like where a dog pee’s marking the territorial spot… she may be right underneath him there ~

      come on KLPD, you owe Natalee’s family every square inch unturned on that property, if it means removing concrete, then, do it! ~

      How long has the pool been in the yard? Anyone care to comment on that one? (satellite photo’s could confirm the time of concrete poured around the poolside)…

      I’ve commented before by having seen the the arial photo’s pon this blog, there appears to be a MASSIVE amount of concrete for such a small yard at the VDS compound… ~ if that comment is true mentioned above, then it aught to be looked at, for sure ~ can anyone validate that, that statement is actually true? (about the concrete)?

    88. kayjay on May 9th, 2007 11:46 pm

      Some time ago I bought Dave Holloway’s book where he published SHANGO’S RIDDLE. When I read it I thought more attention should have been given to it…someone should study it carefully and develop a profile of him or her, in an effort to find out who SHANGO is..because I think all the clues are there. I believe SHANGO knows exactly what happened.
      As I said in post above in my opinion PVDS was totally involved in the rape and probable murder of that poor little girl,,I shudder to think what they did to her, and it is very probable that sveral other sick individuals were also involved…PVDS’ friends.
      (What was the name of those committees that took care of justice in the early days of this country…..????)

    89. glad2bAmerican on May 10th, 2007 12:10 am

      I have not finished reading all the comments but Joran told
      Natalee he was an exchange student staying at the hotel, if I recall correctly. So he probably did not mention Paulus was his father…just two people (Joran & Paulus)working the crowd.

    90. Ronnie2shues on May 10th, 2007 1:00 am

      #88 — “(What was the name of those committees that took care of justice in the early days of this country….????)”

      I think the name you are looking for is LYNCH MOB.

      Alabama was notorious for them — having lynched over 200 black men for “crimes”. Over 200 black men who never had justice served as many were murdered by the hands of local citizens — with the kind assistance (active or passive) of local LE.

      Those lynch mobs were quite effective in ‘solving’ crime. But if one is more interested in closing a case than SOLVING a case, a lynch mob works just fine.

    91. Observer on May 10th, 2007 1:23 am

      Same Hairline,Face,Shoulders,Posture,Body,Watch and Shirt!! Same Person!! Paul Van Der Sloot called Natalee a corpse even before she was reported missing..When everyone on that island was searching for the girl he lawyered up all 3 boys!!

      Quotes From Back of Police Car

      Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
      Joran: That’s your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
      Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.

    92. Tazman on May 10th, 2007 3:00 am

      Yes, that pic in the casino is Paulos. And, Natalee is leaning away from him in disgust. He was probably trying to pick up on her. Dirty old fart!

    93. Richard on May 10th, 2007 6:24 am

      1006 (#44) … According to one timeline, at least, PvdS had been notified a week before Natalee arrived on the island that he would not get the judgeship he wanted. Don’t know how relevant that might be. I found that on the Journier timeline, which is massive … it was included in the Boston handouts as one of the authoritative info resources.

      DisgustedMom (65), my idea has always been that other “Pimps” were involved, and that they were sufficiently familiar with crime TV shows, etc., to be wary of using their cell phones. So the reason Deepak stopped so close to C&Cs, when the three had every incentive to get out of the area with Natalee asap (how could they be sure that her friends wouldn’t immediately pursue them?), is to run in, give a quick hand signal or whatever to say “the plan worked,” and then get going.

      The associate could give the signal to rendezvous at some location that had been agreed on beforehand. It’s anyone’s guess as to where that might be.

    94. boywonder on May 10th, 2007 7:42 am

      Re-read the Vanity Fair article by Bryan Burroughs. Not one mention of PVDS at the casino….Bryan owes the world the truth if indeed he is an investigative reporter..cough cough

    95. Miss-Underestimated on May 10th, 2007 8:37 am


      Interogation should have brought this statement to the

      Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.

      Half assed interogation should have brought this statement to the surface.

      Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.

      Hey, Deepack if you’re reading don’t be like Paulus-MAN UP

    96. Vicki on May 10th, 2007 8:43 am

      Carpe, what if instead of a gun shot, URINE the fat pig, kicked Natalee in the face with his size 14 kswiss sneakers and thats why he got rid of them!!!! what ever the case may be they will be punished..if not here on earth than when they die…

    97. Janet on May 10th, 2007 9:47 am

      94. boywonder

      I believe that the Vanity Fair article happened in January, 2006 while the ABC release of the casino security camera revelation occured in February, 2006. I could be wrong.

    98. SUPER DAVE on May 10th, 2007 10:12 am


    99. KrisG on May 10th, 2007 10:31 am

      With the above photos and Deepak’s statement to Joran in the back of the police car, “Your own father, unbelievable.” I am convinced that Paulus VDS had much more to do with Natalee’s disappearance than he is letting on. All 4 suspects have to be involved some way, otherwise why would Deepak try and hurt Natalee’s reputation in his taped conversation to Jamie Skeeters? Why would Deepak have Steve Croes give him an alibli. He also asked a female friend(who refused)to give him an alibi.

      Deepak tried to hurt Natalee by saying she dressed, acted and talked like a slut. We all know that isn’t true. I work in a typical suburban high school and her denim skirt is longer than those I see everyday. Natalee wearing a short skirt in the tropics doesn’t make her a slut, just like that hump on Deepak’s back doesn’t make him a hunchback. (Though I like to think of him as one.)

      As to Joran walking home barefoot from the beach…Highly unlikely, it is very hot in Aruba, even at night. He would have been walking on asphalt which would still have been hot or on the desert terrain. I don’t think his baby huey feet could stand it.

      Justice for Natalee Holloway!

    100. disgustedmom on May 10th, 2007 10:45 am

      One of the sites Joran went to on his computer after he ‘got home’ that night was the ‘bangbus’ site. I ventured into that site to see what it was all about. Too disgusting! The goal of bangbus was to lure girls into their vehicle by means of whatever they thought would work, with the intent that they would photograph them in sexual positions and while having sexual acts take place. The lure was sometimes money and sometimes fame and sometimes just a ride somewhere. The end of every ride these girls were lured into was a drop-off at some secluded place, never taking them where they promised at the end of whatever adventure the girl fell for. The pimps thought it was funny to leave the girl stranded after she fell for their lure and they got what they wanted from her. (remember they claim to have ‘left’ Natalee alone)
      It is interesting that the ‘bangbus’ game is widespread across the planet and new bangbus pimps are welcomed every day to start their own endeavor in their local. Now as the pictures of the males who were engaging in these lewd acts were shown on the site, I don’t think J2K were actually members of any bangbus gang, but I don’t doubt they used the idea to do their own thing/copycat. Joran was obviously familiar with the game since he went there on his computer that night. Or was it Paulus who went there? No way of telling who went to the site, but it was certainly someone in the VDS home.
      Another site ‘someone’ went to that night -and seemingly stayed on for about a half an hour- was This is interesting to me because x-plane is a flight simulator thing which more importantly offers accurate maps of just about anywhere on earth…even oceans where coordinates are given. Wind currents and such are given too, just as if you were really planning a flight, so checking currents to see where the proper place might be to drop a body in the ocean so it would not wash back to shore would be something a person might use this site for.
      Joran mentioned in his book that he wanted to be a pilot when he was young. So it makes sense that he would have interest and knowledge of flight planning etc. As my own son is a pilot, I have some familiarity with flight planning and one thing I want to point out is that the date is important…wind currents change by day and projected weather conditions need to be considered so if Joran – or someone- were using x-plane to check on wind currents to find a suitable place to dump a body in the ocean without fear of it returning to shore, it would not necessarily have to be the day Natalee went missing or days shortly after. It could have been any time things worked out to when the currents were right in a particular area.
      That said, I don’t think Joran is focused enough to keep all the cards in play enough to actually figure out and execute a safe ocean dropping. However, a more experienced pilot might certainly be more confident. So I’d ask, whom did Joran or PVDS know that had a plane/helicopter/or could have rented one for an outing in the days/weeks/or even months after Natalee went missing?
      While I not sure if the x-plane site bothers with daily changes or just uses standards, getting a general idea of currents would be a good place to begin, thereafter a real pilot might check for a good day to make a drop.

    101. disgustedmom on May 10th, 2007 10:59 am

      Richard (93)
      I too believe that short stopoff Deepak made could have been to signal another player. Other possibilities include buying drugs or a phone card for his cell that he said was out of minutes earlier that night. The phone card idea could be easily checked for activation time because surely he’d have activated it right away. Not so much could the other 2 possibilities be authenticated.

      The questions remains, that if they annonced they had their prey and signaled other pimps to show up, where would they take natalee? A couple of ideas….

      Joran and his pimps played in caves…drank and partied there. Most certainly sex happened there too either with or without consent of a partner. There are pictures of the inside of this cave with Joran and his pimps drinking it up. What cave is this?

      Another idea is the basement of the CA Lighthouse…the room that is locked that no one goes or had gone into for a long time. Rumor has it that there is a tunnel that leads to this room. Where is that opening?

    102. Miss-Underestimated on May 10th, 2007 10:59 am

      Did the police check to see if a video was uploaded on Bangbus, from the sloots computer?

    103. jen on May 10th, 2007 11:21 am

      Ok I am new to this website but I have a question, to Carpe or anyone who is aware. I am shicked at these pics of what seems to be her eyes. Tell me all about this. Where did these pics come from. has been mentioned on the media and most importantly have the cops seen this. When These pics were taken what was done with the bag from the Marriott. Was it not opened Duh????????

    104. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 11:37 am

      88: kayjay. I felt that Shango may have been the Motorcycle mechanic
      who was found dead in a container behind the shop where he worked.
      From SM
      “November 17, 2005. Yesterday afternoon, a San Nicolas patrol car was sent to Cura Cabay, just behind a company that fixes cars and motorcycles, since a dead person was found in a container.
      The person in question is the known mechanic Robert Wayne Benson, born in the U.S., of 58 years of age, resident of Pos Abao, who the day before had disappeared, according to his wife.
      ” The owner of the business, aware of his disappearance, asked two employees to go take a look at the container, they forced the door of the container which was locked from the inside and when opening it they encountered the lifeless body. ”

      Did not mention it was also locked from the outside…..

      That would have been Robert Wayne Benson. He was an expatriate from the Midwest.
      He would have been quite familiar with phrases and names such as; cowboys, Indians, wampum, forts and other terms used in the clues. He mentions numerous times that he has to go feed the messengers. If you do a search on the word messenger what comes up is biker, courier, etc. I felt the messengers were the dispatched motorcycle cops. They would bring in their cycles for repair and while there may have traded secrets.
      I don’t believe he was in the inner circle but only found out from the scuttlebutt from the cops. I felt he would have liked to obtain the $250,000.00 reward and use it to get off the island. His wife reported him missing. It was not until almost two days later his boss suggested they look in the container. I guessed they figure he would be dead in two days from the heat and no air.
      The reason some of the clues seem either misleading or contradictive is because of the information given to him.
      If anyone knew what happened in the Holloway case it had to be the police.

    105. maggiemae2007 on May 10th, 2007 11:44 am

      Hence the comment….No body, no crime??? So, “daddy” was there, then he knows exactly where Natalee is!

    106. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 12:12 pm


      One of Shangos clues that was not deciphered was a reference to Bifron.
      BIFRON. The god in charge of moving corpes.
      He places a lit candle next to graves and moves bodies from one grave to another.
      Bifron is one face of Gemini the twin; Janus the other face of Gemini is the caretaker; he holds the key.
      So you either have a funeral director, a hearse driver, cemetery caretaker and don’t forget the cement worker.
      The cemetery worker was killed by his wife (?)
      The cement worker, Dinesh Djoegan found dismembered and burning in the cave.
      Didn’t someone say that he worked on the Van der Sloot’s patio?
      Notice that a lot of people associated with this case are now getting deceased status.

    107. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 12:14 pm

      101 disgustedmom:
      The security guard at the light house stated that the lighthouse was locked and there were no cars in the area at that time on that night.

    108. Vicki on May 10th, 2007 12:20 pm

      105- which is why he was sweating so hard when Beth went to his house…he is a filthy PERVERT and deserves to DIE…I hope its a long slow painful death…I wish his toes were cut off first, then shoot his knee caps and then pull his fingernails out…next poke out one eye and shove it in his freakin pig mouth…I could go on and on…man that felt good.

    109. Meee on May 10th, 2007 12:36 pm

      Feel to ask Greta these questions also feel free to e-mail Peter De Vries at ask him what is going on.

    110. IndyDan on May 10th, 2007 12:54 pm

      Vicki, that even made me feel good!! You go girl!

    111. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 1:03 pm

      That is not like you: vengence is mine sayth the Lord.
      He will suffer enough on earth and in hell by his own doing.
      Think positive. We have to prove it first.
      Aruba will never recover. There are now over 2,300,000 refeneces to Natalee on Yahoo. Last week 1,970,000

    112. Richard on May 10th, 2007 1:19 pm

      1006 … There may be that many references to Natalee on Yahoo, but more important (in my view): how many tourists is Aruba getting? What are we doing to urge our government to impose sanctions?

      Here’s a letter that came to me just today, in response to my criticism of a House resolution for a U.S.-Dutch friendship day. It’s from the fatuous idiot who poses as my congressman (we have only one in Vermont):

      Dear (Richard):

      Thank you for contacting me about H. Res. 89, a resolution to establish a Dutch-American Friendship Day. I appreciate your thoughts on this issue.

      H. Res 89 was passed unanimously by the House of Representatives on March 12, 2007. While the prosecution of crimes against American tourists may be an important issue for discussion between the U.S. Government and that of the Netherlands, I do not believe that this resolution would adversely affect such discussions.

      Thank you again for contacting me. Please continue to be in touch,and I hope to see you in Vermont soon.

      /s/ Peter Welch

      (end of letter)

      The message is clear to me … our government will not lift a finger for Natalee, now or ever, unless WE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

    113. Richard on May 10th, 2007 1:23 pm

      Disgusted Mom (#101) … Nobody seems to be thinking that they might have taken her to a private boat. That is one place where, so long as she is kept quiet (sedated?), privacy is guaranteed.

    114. Vicki on May 10th, 2007 1:45 pm

      #111- I know 1906…I just had to vent…they all make me sick.Just reading the translation of URINEs book and if he was in front of me….okay enough..Your right.

    115. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 2:44 pm

      Richard; that leaves three possiblities according to Shango
      The Arawak King
      The Pair of Dice
      The Tatoo

    116. kitty on May 10th, 2007 2:49 pm

      Richard, those of us from the North East know that Vermont is it’s own Nation… there are signs posted on properties throughout Vermont that read: “if you’re not from here go home” no joke ~… now, why on earth, would they support this U.S. Friendship ~ Dutch day, if they don’t even like folks from surrounding New England States visiting??? wow~!… this is REALLY interesting ~ Vermont does not want anyone in their State, so I can not wrap my mind around them wanting a U.S. friendship Dutch day??? honestly! He must be imported, eh?

      Start a grass roots petition on here where we can sign up and send it on to our friends even and back to central and then forward it on the the VT State House… I’ll sign up ~ that aught to do it! Only in Vermont… go to Warren for their 4th of July parade, that’s something to experience ~ just don’t park on anyone’s property, they use skidders to take out illegally parked vehicles tresspassing, on their beloved soil ~ wow… I’m shaking my head on that one~… (Ted Kennedy Country is bad enough, but Vermont truly is it’s own Nation)…

    117. mar/go on May 10th, 2007 3:04 pm

      I love the photo in Diario today of the “suicide”. Supposedly some guy hung himself, but both his feet are on the ground. Uh, yea, sure.

    118. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 3:30 pm

      This may be part of the reason why the State Department doesn’t want waves from Natalee’s disappearance.
      Why is one American tourists sacrificed for this….

    119. Mike on May 10th, 2007 3:37 pm

      I also would like to know if anything is under that new concrete….didn’t Tim Miller and TES want to use ground penetrating radar to check the VDS property and Paulis almost blew a gasket?

      If your gonna do a search do it right or don’t even show up.

    120. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 4:32 pm

      To the poster who said Natalee was not drinking alcohol at the casino because there was a bottle of water in front of her. I hate to burst your bubble and mine but running the casino tape frame by frame it is quite apparent; Natalee has a glass in her right hand from which she occasionally sips her drink from a straw.

    121. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 4:37 pm

      Need some help. Somewhere I read that a large Hawaiian looking male approached Joran and I can’t remember if it was at the casino May 29th. Nor can I remember where I read it. It was either a posting or in Dave’s book. The only other time we get a reference to a large Hawaiian looking male is at the Lion’s Den from the Clausen Investigation.
      Could this person have told Joran who was picked to go to the Lion’s Den?


      SM:   In my opinion, the large Hawaiin looking guy is Andre Dos Santos..Joran’s friend. He is on the left in this photo:

    122. jen on May 10th, 2007 4:58 pm

      Would somebody explain to me what this reference to Shango’s Riddle means.

    123. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 5:03 pm

      SM: He looks too young to be carrying a gun as was indicated by the Clausen Investigators.
      They were approached by a large Hawaiian that looked like he was carrying a gun when the alarms sounded he came over.


      SM:   The large hawaiin guy that the Claussen investigation mentioned is a different hawaiin guy than what was mentioned by the MB kids in the 302′s.   The hawaain guy in the casino is Andre dos Santos, IMO.   We know Andre was in the casino alot (klaasend)

    124. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 5:24 pm

      Maybe we should add Andre Dos Santos to our list of pimps.
      He is in good pimp company; that’s Joran, Freddie and Koen.
      Six to one is about the pimps average.

    125. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 5:52 pm

      I have a problem with this casino tape.
      Play it frame by frame. It shows Natalee walking into the casino at 20:58.
      The time line when she is sitting at the table is 20:25
      At one point at 20:25 it appears she is on a cell phone and Lee is not there.
      At another frame also 20:25 Natalee has no phone is just sitting and watching and Lee is back. I’m not trying to rewrite anything but how can you be seated watching a card game before you come into the casino? Also the two times when Joran enters the casino and the camera cuts to the table with the MBHS Students they are two different scenes.

    126. Allan K on May 10th, 2007 5:56 pm

      Now we all we see what our government will do for the individual. The people we elected.
      Are they to busy getting fat off the government that they can’t help a desperate mother. Only person in government that said anything was Bacchus putting in a good plug for Aruba after he got his money. Who knows what Rice said? Is there not one person in government that is for the people that can lend a hand to a mother in pain. Does any one in government care for one child that is not their own.

      This is absolutely horrible for our government to let this go on with an undeniable cover-up. Maybe if the officials in Washington could lay off the college call girls for a day or two they could help.

    127. Observer on May 10th, 2007 5:59 pm

      Did the police check to see if a video was uploaded on Bangbus, from the sloots computer?

      Comment by Miss-Underestimated | May 10, 2007, 10:59 am

      Weeks later when they confiscated that computer it was badly tampered with. Our own FBI told us that.

      Maybee thats the real reason PVDS flew to florida after NH dissapeared. COD

    128. minnesota dad on May 10th, 2007 6:55 pm

      1006 –

      My point from the other day. The time stamps on the videos are wacky. Joran shows up thirty minutes before….Natalee shows up thirty minutes after she was supposed to be at that table.

      Based on all of the corruption and timeline shuffling going on….here is what I think.

      Joran entered the casino at 7:58pm.
      Natalee entered at 8:58pm
      Card Game shows 8:25pm consistently on all of the clips.

      Its as if….someone wanted the timeline to fit with the testimony that was out there. Joran testified that he did not make it to the blackjack tables until 10:pm after playing out his father’s “free” chips at the Free Texas Hold ‘em Tourney.

      Joran stating this would help out Paulus’ alibi and would distance Paulus from how late he was there playing blackjack. I believe the clock on the camera shots has been altered to attempt to show that Paulus was at the casino earlier in the evening (8:25pm) without worrying about Joran’s testimony…..because he lies anyways. If Paulus was at the casino after the time where Natalee entered (8:58pm)…it once again screws up Paulus’ alibi and timeline.

      In the end….Paulus is your perp. This appears to be one more attempt by Aruban law enforcement to leak information that would help timelines that has backfired. What a bunch of amateurs.


    129. Maggie on May 10th, 2007 6:58 pm

      As for Joran’s book .. I think Natalee’s family should see if there is a way to go after Joran for the things he has printed about Natalee in his book. Like he is the expert on Natalee with his twisted mind and words.. Natalee’s record speaks for itself. Why would anyone waste money on a book written by him? Just more big fat lies. What a disgusting bunch of bs. One chapter sounds like how to be a predator and once again he throws the Kalpoes under the bus, but I think he knows he can do that. Kalpoes can’t say nothing, because they all have stuff on each other and would all go down together.

      Jen I don’t think there’s a snowball chance in hell..oooooooo that Natalee is alive anywhere and hasn’t been since the night she went “missing” “poofed” “vanished into thin air” Look at the creeps she was surrounded by. Just reading book excerpts confirms it even more.

    130. kitty on May 10th, 2007 7:11 pm

      Jenn, ~ #122. Google it up and you will find many exerpts deciphering it for you ~ it’s very disturbing reading it as the person who authored it may be now dead and for reason of his knowledge about Natalee and the underground cartel world…

      Paulus, Joran and the Kapoles are just part of this sordid story ~ this is knee deep in corruption and cover up… the only way to keep pressure on this apparent “cold” case is for folks to keep boycotting the island.

      So amazing, all the lies ~ and from postings here, mentioning the other deaths attributed to people knowing too much and apparently, they’ve been silenced just like Natalee… even if the reward money was a gazillion dollars, nobody’d talk… fear is deep there…

    131. Miss-Underestimated on May 10th, 2007 7:18 pm

      What was the time on the internet that night, the atm visit, and the phone call to Mr. Steve liar Croes?

      Also the phone call made by Natalee to her friend, where she sound confused and said something to the effect, of I don’t know these PEOPLE (meaning more than one and not just boyz— PEOPLE)

      Maybe someone could connect the dots.

      I cannot believe the little effer photo shopped his picture with Natalee, truly the mind of a terribly sick mammal

    132. Miss-Underestimated on May 10th, 2007 7:20 pm


      I see a photo op for you with post 121

    133. Maggie on May 10th, 2007 7:21 pm

      Aruba dirty police latest.

    134. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 7:44 pm

      Minnesota Dad: Thanks I thought I wasn’t seeing something correctly; My opinion these videos have been altered. It wasn’t stolen and leaked to ABC.
      It was a deliberate attempt to alter timelines.
      Check the frames. I’m sure Natalee is on a cellphone. Another she is constantly looking at Ruth’s watch.
      It is almost as if she can’t wait to go somewhere to meet someone.

    135. Carpe Noctem on May 10th, 2007 8:01 pm


      All those eye pics came from my imaging
      sessions of the Marriott Basin Bag
      Video. 510-24

      She’s in it. (imo)

      They killed her
      with one shot to
      the center of her
      forehead. (imo)

      The souless, bisexual, Dutch boy needs some complimentary attitude adjustment sessions. -j4n

    136. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 8:08 pm

      Maggie: Thanks; A different perspective that could change a lot of thinking

    137. 10061906 on May 10th, 2007 8:11 pm

      Carpe: I won’t dispute your efforts. But in your opinion why would they shoot Natalee? That is messy where an injection of heroin is cleaner.

    138. katablog on May 10th, 2007 8:27 pm

      Yes, without digging up any concrete poured after the disappearance of Natalee, a real investigation is not happening. I was afraid of this but dared to hope that this would not be the case.

      The hairline, shirt and posture all make it a strong possibility that the man on the video is Paulus. The only thing that disturbs me is that if you watch the video, occasionally you will see the man’s nose – at that point there is some doubt in my mind as to if it’s Paulus. Though everything else points to it being him.

      It also makes no sense that no one has addressed who this man is other than people who believe it is Paulus. If it wasn’t Paulus, wouldn’t his defenders quickly address that?

    139. Maggie on May 10th, 2007 8:39 pm

      Katablog, that’s what I thought. Noone is speaking up saying that is definitely not him or saying who it was..

      ABC Primetime

      “I sat down there and within five minutes, there was a group of girls from the Mountain Brook school that came up to me and sat down next to me and they wanted to play as well,” van der Sloot told Cuomo. “They’d already been drinking that day and had drinks with them. We played blackjack for a while, and I told them whether or not to hit.”

      Later that night, Holloway was seen leaving Carlos ‘n Charlies with van der Sloot, who said she did not seem drunk, though she had been drinking.

      This paragraph makes NO SENSE… she didn’t seem drunk, but she seemed like she drank a lot. There’s a difference between someone absolutely drunk and someone who had a couple did she drink a lot or a couple drinks?

      She didn’t seem drunk,” he said. “She seemed like she drank a lot, but there’s a difference between someone being absolutely drunk and someone … actually having had a couple drinks.”

      This is probably the truest thing he said during the entire interview, only I doubt if he even said goodbye. That was his lifestyle, hmmmm where did his so called gf’s fit into this story.

      “In Aruba that was part of my lifestyle … going out, being single and picking up girls,” he said. “Going out with them, having a good time and then saying goodbye.”

      His great ending.. and we all know he went on Greta afterwards and changed it again..after he said it’s the truth, it’s time to tell the truth. He probably wouldn’t believe himself, wonder why?????

      At the same time, he told “Primetime” that his version of events is hard to believe. When asked why, after all the lying he’s done, his word should be credible, he said, “There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.”

      “I would probably not believe myself, no,” he added.

      Yet, he said, it was important that he tell his story.

      “Because it’s the truth,” he said. “It’s time to just tell the truth.”

    140. Skyboxx on May 10th, 2007 8:55 pm

      If the man in the casino picture isn’t Sloot then who is it?

      I mean, if it was just some innocent old coot, he would have come forward by now to say, “Yeah, that was me, sorry for the confusion” NO ONE has identified or inferred that the casino pic was anyone else. No wife, no son, no daughter, no grand daughter saying, “Hey wait a minute we were in Aruba that weekend and that’s my granda Lew” Sorry for the confusion.

      Its Papa Sloot and he is in this thing all the way up to his sweating beady little eyes!

      No body, no case son! What dad tells this to his kid?

    141. Richard on May 10th, 2007 9:31 pm

      Maggie (#129) … Looking at the “creeps” who have been linked to Natalee’s case since day one is possibly the only reason to think that she could still be alive.

      There’s little reason to hope for it, if hope is the word.
      But I’m inclined to think that she didn’t die on the night she vanished, and possibly she didn’t die on Aruba.

      All this coverup for three punk kids (maybe more) and a judge who already had been told he wasn’t going to get the job he wanted? I find it hard to believe ….

    142. minnesota dad on May 10th, 2007 10:14 pm


      Here is where you are somewhat wrong.

      Aruba knew right away who the perps were. For tourisms sake, they chose to arrest two black guys. The game plan was simple…the two black guys go to trial six months after…it comes out that they had complete alibi’s and there is no solid proof to convict. They walk…case close.

      But, when Beth came down there and aggressively defended the two black guys, it screwed up the initial cover-up.

      Now the problem was that for 8-10 days they had brazenly been trying to run the old tourism cover-up campaign. It was no longer J2K and Papa Sloot. Now it was everyone assisting the cover-up.

      Bringing in the predators at 8-10 days and charging them would bring down Jacobs, Van Stratten, etc. So, they decided to dig the hole deeper. Destroying evidence, created evidence, substituting evidence, amending search warrants, etc..A VERY embarrassing situation for Aruba.

      So, if they were to bring in J2k after totally covering up to save their hides…..they were going down. So, you saw them continue to add layers to the cover-up….Karin Janssen’s letter, Judge buddies writing orders, letting Joran out (during the Katrina Hurricane!) and publicly stating his travel was restricted -and then quietly giving him travelling priviledges the next day through a faxed in judges order from Curacao, etc., etc.

      So, it becomes pretty simple….this whole cover-up is a snowball. It started with simply trying to do the old “Caribbean head fake” for the sake of tourism and has turned into a nightmare for the family and the people of Aruba.

      This is a house of cards…and that is why the KLPD will not do a thing but go through the motions. When I hear in six weeks that the Dutch are sending several military ships and troops to the island…I will know that yes, the KLPD and the Dutch are not only going to solve this case, but provide security during the governmental turnover.


    143. Observer on May 10th, 2007 10:27 pm

      I went out to the prison and spoke directly with Paul Van Der Sloot, and you know, I don`t know whether I believe everything he said, but I did believe one thing, and that was that he would do everything he could to protect his son…—-Dave Holloway

    144. Miss-Underestimated on May 10th, 2007 10:36 pm

      We all remember Beth telling us this was huge….I think some of us recognized the magnitude that she was saying.

      Paulus isn’t a man. That is why he can’t MAN UP

      Another thing I am wondering, is why did Aruba allow the release of Joran’s book, as far as we have been told, Joran is still a suspect, maybe even longer than he thought.

      The documents have been read by his editor….documents that even Beth or Dave or JQK have not been allowed to view. But as Arlene reminded is we just don’t understand.

      I hope that the message will continue to arrive to any young woman even remotely thinking about traveling to Aruba. You are not safe, in fact you are in more peril, than in any country that you can travel to, you have a country, that will cover up, assist and aid its assailants, murderers and rapists, you have judges who will assist in denying proper investigations, You have sons of officials hushed by their own fathers, you will have mothers of the perps, outwardly lying to harbour their sons, you have island journalists lying and accusing the victim and victims families of slanderous acts, you have travel promoters coming outwardly as caring and then suddenly silenced. And then you have a dog and pony show … this where you want to spend your vacation.

      Girls, there is no other place on earth as vile as this place,

      DO NOT GO TO ARUBA….Not another single girl and her family should be subjected to this.

      How much money did Paulus withdraw that EARLY morning?

      Why the call early to Steve/Tatoo, who then said he didn’t know the boys? Why would anyone call someone they don’t know?

    145. kitty on May 10th, 2007 10:36 pm

      In visiting the Netherlands and having friends who live there ~ drugs are “tolerated” there, they are not legalized, as many think.

      md ~ the Dutch military ship and troop idea is a great one, I can visualize that ~ however, I’m not sure if they exist ~ I’ll have to inquire with my friends, on that one…

      ~ perhaps, the U.S. Coast Guard could go down (to Aruba)
      to intervene & enforce the drug trading that is passing through those waters ~ perhaps, right to the Netherlands shores ~ Amsterdam itself is a haven for major drug use ~ just walk by the pubs and restaurants… the pot smoke wafts out like bellowing clouds ~ I’ve seen it first hand…

      Maybe this is WAY bigger than any one realizes or imagines at this point ~ KLPD’s investigation will show the world what it’s made of… I still hope they will do the right thing and that Queen Beatrix will ensure that ~

    146. JusticeforNatalee on May 11th, 2007 12:56 am

      JQK said it best when he said:

      “Don’t go to Aruba because if something happens to you, nothing will be done about it.”

      Do the right thing and break through the COVERUP.
      And while you are at it, break through the concrete at the Sloot compound.

    147. JusticeforNatalee on May 11th, 2007 1:04 am

      #139 Maggie,

      Joran just can’t decide how drunk he wants to say Natalee was.
      The Sporter has a “dilemma,” you see.

      Joran wants to trash Natalee and call her a drunk but if he does that,
      he knows that he will charged with rape.

    148. sirensong on May 11th, 2007 2:56 am

      I heard the camera in a casino called “eye in the sky” and I immediately thought of Shango. Maybe he worked the camera at the casino and was able to give the tape to ABC. A survellance person would know alot about the goings on in Aruba and the games people play.

    149. Richard on May 11th, 2007 6:44 am

      MD, you might well be right. But with this case nearly two years old and still going on, I’m still unable to think that it’s as simple as some might have it. Could well be wrong, and I hope we find out. I still think, though, that Aruba realizes that a case of human trafficking, unlike an accidental death or murder in which the perpetrators were convicted and sentenced, would destroy tourism forever.

      I’ve mentioned the case in some African resort popular with Italians, where three Italian girls were led by the tour director to a rendezvous with friends of his. The girls were assaulted, then buried in sand and rocks were thrown at them. (I know it sounds unbelievable, but it’s true.)

      One of them survived, escaped when the assailants left, and managed to get back to the city. Italy sent a diplomatic observer to ensure that there was no cover-up, and there was none. Within days the four people involved were arrested and faced trial.

      This took place on another island (might have been Cape Verde, but I’m not sure) with four times the population of Aruba. Too bad that our government seemingly could care less about Natalee.

      But anyway, what we can do is what Miss Underestimated (144) says … don’t go to Aruba, and encourage others not to go there.

    150. Richard on May 11th, 2007 7:56 am

      Here’s the story I was talking about, and it was Cape Verde where it happened. Interesting: it says at the end that the Cape Verde economy relies on tourism. Even so, perhaps influenced by the presence of an Italian envoy, these people seem to have handled it quickly.

      This has nothing to do with Natalee’s case … but if you read this in a book, wouldn’t you think it was too strange to be true? Now tell me that human trafficking is an impossibility (I know, that doesn’t prove it happened in Aruba) ….

      I’ve been thinking: just suppose that there was a brief stop at Joran’s place to transfer Natalee to another car before taking her to wherever? One of the Pimps could have left his car there. None of the Mountain Brook kids would have known to look for it. Anyway, here’s the story:

      Woman “buried alive” in Cape Verde double murder
      11 Feb 2007

      ROME, Feb 11 (Reuters) – One of the two Italian women murdered on the tropical Atlantic island state of Cape Verde last week was buried alive, the Italian honorary consul said on Sunday.

      The double murder of the two women, aged 28 and 33, has shocked the people of the archipelago, especially the grisly details given by a third woman who was left for dead but survived to tell how all three were beaten with stones.

      “Apparently, one of the two girls was buried when she was still alive because the autopsy found traces of earth in her lungs,” Honorary Consul Luigi Zirpoli told Reuters.

      According to the survivor, Agnese Paci, 17, all three victims went with a local man, a former boyfriend of one of the women, to have dinner on Thursday night, but instead he drove them to a wood with an accomplice where he beat them with large stones.

      Three men have been arrested in connection with the murders, Zirpoli said. “It looks increasingly like this was a crime of passion,” he said. One of the victims lived in Cape Verde for part of the year and worked in tourism.

      Cape Verde, a former Portuguese colony, is an archipelago about 500 km (300 miles) off the coast of Senegal and tourism is a vital part of the economy.

    151. disgustedmom on May 11th, 2007 9:23 am

      Can someone please tell me, what is the Clausen Investigation?


    152. kayjay on May 11th, 2007 1:33 pm

      Thanks for comments 10061906…did not know about the poor guy in the container. As Dave said in his book Shango’s riddles dried up..makes you think he was silenced, probably in the worst way. These people have a lot to answer for..they act as though they run a dictatorship. I hope and pray they all get theirs in this life or the next.
      Also on the matter of the man found in the cave…I heard some reference to a female undertaker being related to one of the law enforcement people in this case but cannot recall her name.
      This sort of thing is one of the most bizarre aspects of this case..I absolutely believe the ARUBANS must know what happened and for some reason, probably fear, have been kept quiet. ALL THE SAME HAS NOONE IN THE ARUBAN COMMUNITY GOT ANY MORALS OR GUTS AT ALL??
      Also note to Poster #122…Shango’s Riddle is very interesting so do go on Google or get a copy of Dave Holloway’s book and see what you make of it.

    153. 10061906 on May 11th, 2007 3:10 pm

      kayjay: That might be Yolanda Wever related to Quido Wever.
      Paulus help her establish a cremetorium on Aruba.
      The funeral home can be looked at:

      disgustedmom: I will try to find the link for you. It was a California based PI.
      They hooked up with some bartender that said Natalee had been taken to a place called the Lion’s Den. They had pictures etc. I down loaded the site in case it would disappear.
      I have trouble always when trying to locate the url. Maybe someone else could help.
      I tried three different links and apparently the site has been removed.
      I’ll be gone for awhile. Senior High School Chaperone time.
      When I get back I ‘ll give you a synopsis of what I have.

    154. disgustedmom on May 11th, 2007 9:49 pm

      THanks 1006…I’d appreciate it!

    155. just moma on May 12th, 2007 9:59 pm

      A psychic kept saying she was buried under cement near the dog’s house at the Sloots. I vote for under the fountain. In the Scared Monkey’s blog they are taking about a man, who might be a pilot, being interviewed over 7 times and links to the site you, here, talk about with the currents of the ocean.

      One of the suspect’s father ran the camera in the casinos and the police on the beach. So who altered the times on the casino tapes, the computers and the phones. Sure has to be one or more techies with motive or being blackmailed. Was this son also the one where the father came in and wouldn’t let the son testify? Oh, good, more Dutch elitism!

      Still think we should get DutchLady into this. She is so good at solving cases that are cold.

      The end of May, all of Main Stream Media will be over this. So what now Holland? I have Dutch ancestry, along with other countries, don’t let us down.

      Natalee could have been your daughter or mine. Happy Mother’s Day!

    156. CK on June 13th, 2010 8:30 pm

      Well all people get murdered everyday and bodies not found much like the Holloway case. Natelie was a young girl in a party place and made a bad very bad decision. No girl with half a brain leaves a bar with 3 guys, unless you ar looking for trouble or you are super confident that you “can take them”. But girls leaving the bar with guys, happens every day and is a stupid decision. Natalie messed up and it cost Natelie her life. I feel bad for her loved ones. I feel bad for the Van Der Sloots whatever their role if any. They will be dealt with by a far greater power than us. But please stop pretending that this is something special, that Natalie is this innocent little girl. She was not. She was not taken against her will. And if she was intoxicated the chaperones have some explaining to do as do the so called “friends” she went to the bar and casino with. A cardinal rule of the Sisterhood is “you leave the bar with who you came”. I come with my girls, I leave with my girls, under no circumstances do we separate.
      SM: How late are you to the game, or do you just like blaming victims? You cane take your sick agenda and go _ _ _ _ yourself. Like any one has free will with date rape drugs. Even when JVDS kills again the sickos crawl out from underneath their rocks and rear their ugle, hateful hearts. Were have you been … medicated?


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