Dave Holloway Forges On in Search of Natalee Holloway … A Father’s Determination


As we have learned in so many missing person cases, parents never quit. Their determination Dave holloway signfor answers to finding their missing loved ones endures. As we have seen in the case of the Holloway’s/Twitty’s, Kesse’s, Smith’s … It is to reason that a families love for their child never ends, so why would their pursuit for answers?

The family name’s change, but the drive to find clues, leads and answers do not. No parent would ever give up hope or the search. Such is the case of Dave Holloway and is unending search to find his daughter, Natalee Holloway.

After the fundraisers ended, after many of the yard signs have been pulled up, after the cable networks have stopped calling for interviews, there remains a father looking for his daughter.

“Some days you think you’re going to finally break the case, and some days you wonder, are we ever going to find out?” said Holloway.

That is still Dave Holloway’s story, a year and a half after his 18-year- old daughter went missing during her senior class trip to Aruba.

The spotlight provided by the MSM may have dimmed; however, that does not mean that searches, leads and investigations cease. The MSM may have gone away; however, in the year 2006 families of missing persons have the benefit of alternative ways to maintain focus and the story. The internet, blogs, web sites and forums provide that alternative to the MSM. When a story falls off the MSM radar, there is still a vehicle. The people who care, the web sleuths who investigate and those that discuss the case, leads and potential evidence and witnesses never abandon families of missing persons. They are there for the long haul for families to get answers.

“I just hope they’re going to be able to find some answers,” Holloway said.

And the searches continue. Two months ago, Natalee’s family sent a cadaver dog to search an Aruban golf course. Just last week, a team searched some government property on the island.

“You get tips or leads or someone says you need to search here, and you cannot just let it pass by,” he said. (WTOK)

Part II from WTOK of “A Father’s Determination”

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  • Dave Holloway; Joran needs to talk or Someone needs to come forward.
  • Dave Holloway; There May Be One Final Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway
  • Natalee’s Grandmother Speaks Out

  • Comments

    67 Responses to “Dave Holloway Forges On in Search of Natalee Holloway … A Father’s Determination”

    1. dennisintn on November 21st, 2006 11:11 pm

      i wonder if dave and beth are keeping detailed records of search coordinates, land and sea, including the searches by a.l.e.

    2. Maggie on November 21st, 2006 11:23 pm

      I can’t imagine what these people deal with daily on a personal basis. I have a daughter who lives on her own in Florida and teaches school. I worry more now about her safety more than ever. We have had long talks about this issue and even more so since Natalee’s story came out. I even listened to Clint Van Zant and talked to my daughter about stuff he said about safety. It only takes one weak moment and one nut or predator standing close by to change your life forever. My heart goes out to Drew Kesse and to Dave Holloway, both class act men, who don’t deserve any of this. It’s so awful what these families have to deal with.

    3. airgame12 on November 21st, 2006 11:32 pm

      We will stand with you to the end Dave!! No matter how long it takes, always know that we are with you!

    4. para2legal on November 21st, 2006 11:44 pm

      God Bless you Dave, Robin, Beth and Jug.

    5. mayan_moons on November 22nd, 2006 12:32 am

      I’d like to see Joran & Kalpoe’s look Dave Holloway in the eye & tell him they didn’t drug, rape and murder Natalee.
      I don’t think they could do it.

      Dave & Robin, you’re in my thoughts & prayers everyday as always, your two little girls too.

    6. molly on November 22nd, 2006 1:29 am

      God bless you, Dave. Let us know if you need some funds for another search. Have a good Thanksgiving with your family. We are still praying for you.

      molly (in Houston)

    7. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 2:45 am

      Dearest Holloway & Twittys…

      We’ll sack these guilty barf bags yet, keep the faith!

      God Bless. J4N


    8. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 4:39 am


      MM & C.

      510-24 Frame



      Justice 4 Nat

    9. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 4:59 am
    10. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 5:29 am


      on the hole in bag
      and what appears to
      be a handle of something.


    11. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 6:38 am

      Here is the funny of the day:

      For this one, you’ll have to imagine
      in your head the soundtrack of a lumbering
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      -Circus Style-

      Ok, now click up ON THIS –



      Justice 4 Natalee!

    12. Richard on November 22nd, 2006 7:39 am

      Very interesting indeed to hear that the family sent a cadaver dog. At the very least, this indicates that their efforts are continuing … and that, apparently, Aruba is at least letting them do things.

      The issue now is … why in Hell should the family have to be doing this on their own? Pardon my presumptiousness (is there such a word?), but it seems to me that it is the DUTY of the Aruban government to be doing this.

      As we saw earlier, though, at the landfill search … the Arubans made a few token efforts, and even the Dutch Marines put in an appearance. But who did the backbreaking brunt of the work? American volunteers.

      I wish that the family could or would share more information about this sort of thing … some of us could go to our legislators and point out that an American family continues to do everything that it can on foreign soil, apparently with no direct help from that “ally.”

      Might put some questions in a few heads in Washington.

    13. Richard on November 22nd, 2006 7:43 am

      And how Dave Holloway can matter-of-factly discuss all the things that may have happened, and all the alternatives that the family have considered, is beyond me. His attitude seems to me to be no whining, no groaning, just grit your teeth and do what you have to do to get the truth. What a contrast to the petulant whiny types that dominate the media, Hollywood, and the public domain these days.

    14. dennisintn on November 22nd, 2006 9:12 am

      #l3, not to mention the petulant, whiny, groaning arubans.

    15. MIss-Underestimated on November 22nd, 2006 9:32 am

      It is beyond me that this family has to go thru this maize of deciet. To the Holloways and the Twittys, you are never alone in your pursuit of justice, all of these fine MONKEYS are behind you. Why would Aruba not help this family? What has Aruba to hide?
      God Bless Natalee Holloway, the Twitty and Holloway Families you can see here that these posters care. I pray Natalee is returned to her family soon and justice will be served.

    16. JusticeforNatalee on November 22nd, 2006 9:55 am

      What is sickening is that J2K and Paulus know what happened to Natalee and most likely where her body is.

      But none of them are man enough to admit what happened.

      It is a shame that they are permitted to cause so much anguish and expense for Natalee’s family.

    17. MIss-Underestimated on November 22nd, 2006 10:02 am


      Remember this happened 20 times before, could they be that good at this?

    18. elisabeth on November 22nd, 2006 10:20 am

      The (first) presentation of Peter R. de Vries is scheduled for sunday evening at nine local time.


      SM:   By (first) do you mean that there will be followup programs or repeats?   (klaasend)

    19. elisabeth on November 22nd, 2006 11:02 am

      In case of a “big” subject with a lot of material he often divides it in two or three parts.

    20. Richard on November 22nd, 2006 11:11 am

      DennisIntl (#14) … Yes, but I was trying to contrast Dave Holloway with leading figures in our society.

      To compare him with the Arubans we have encountered in the last year and a half is like throwing pearls before swine, as the saying goes.

      There was also a reference in the story indicating that fund-raising seems to be on the decline. It isn’t specified whether that’s because there has been little publicity lately, or because the family don’t want to pursue this avenue.

      So here’s another area where we posters might be able to do something … though, in reality, I don’t imagine that anyone would respond to non-family making a pitch.

      I think that companies in the U.S. Southeast, specifically in Mississippi and Alabama, would be most likely to contribute. Can’t do much from up here in Vermont, but I do have a few ideas on who to talk to.

    21. vicki on November 22nd, 2006 12:53 pm

      Dave,Robin,Beth and Jug, My prayers are with you all always. I will never stop praying for your families to have justice. Keep your faith.Know that we all love you and feel your pain everyday. May God bless you all.

    22. Joann on November 22nd, 2006 2:14 pm

      My heart goes out to the Holloway/Twitty families. You are in my prayers every day. Natalee is alive in our hearts. To those involved in her disappearance, what goes around, comes around.

    23. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 6:02 pm


      Story Link:


      Hey RUBA,

      Why don’t you “RUMBA” UP ON THIS…LOSERS.

      We still want you to find out

      just what happened when the *murdering*


      NATALEE ANN never to return her EVER AGAIN!!!!!


      That happened 541 days ago on MAY 30th, 2005!


      POP SONGS WORK!!!!



      P.S. Hi ARUBA’S new advertising campaign agency based out of Atlanta, GA USA named – Fitzgerald+CO , I’m sure a whole
      bunch of monkeys would just LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to be saying
      “HELLO & HAPPY HOLIDAYS” to you guys!!!!




      -Justice 4 Natalee!

    24. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 6:38 pm

      Ladies & Genelmanzzzzz…

      Please put yer paws together for Steve Croes!!!!!!!!!!!!



    25. Carpe Noctem on November 22nd, 2006 7:37 pm

      ORANJESTAD – a short lawsuit which the country Tuesday evening against Sindicato Aduana Di Aruba (SADA) had tightened to make an end to the strike of the customs authorities staff, has been called off on the fall band. SADA will agreed with the proposal of minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) of finances and economic matter next week discuss Tuesday.


      Screw Aruba, we are going to drive them in to the dirt until we find out what happened to NAH. (period)


    26. IndyDan on November 22nd, 2006 10:31 pm

      The Aruban people are so subservant to the Dutch that they’d rather suffer the consequences than stand up to them. The Aruban people chant “let’s suffer more oppression to save the Dutch perverts, afterall it’s just one girl”. Rudy will save us!

    27. IndyDan on November 22nd, 2006 10:45 pm

      Joran VanDerSloot is too young and dumb to understand the consequences of being another OJ Simpson means at this point in his life.
      I hope he was taking notes of OJs latest endeavor, wherever he goes in life from here on, he’ll be known as OJ junior – the guy who got away with murder.

    28. Vicki E. on November 23rd, 2006 12:38 am

      Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! Let us all continue to pray for Natalee and her family! I think of you all of the time. I just hate the Dutch!!! Vicki E.

    29. mayan_moons on November 23rd, 2006 1:17 am

      Happy Thanksgiving to you too Vicki!

    30. houston on November 23rd, 2006 2:31 am

      Yes #12, I also think the US government should be more involved.

    31. elisabeth on November 23rd, 2006 11:13 am

      Zondag 26 november in Peter R. de Vries, misdaadverslaggever:

      Het ware verhaal achter de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway.
      Een extra lange uitzending vanuit Aruba met schokkende nieuwe feiten en
      omstandigheden die een ander licht op de zaak werpen.

      Zondag 26 november, 21.00 uur, SBS6

      The trailer for this program on his website announces evidence of corruption, lies, conflicts of interest and secret information from police investigations.

    32. Linda on November 23rd, 2006 1:22 pm

      Hi Klaasend..I just heared that Peter R.. was on Television In the Netherlands..the program will be aired nov 26..he said that he could solve the case and that he is Sure that Joran knows more..but not the Kalpoes..He said that they are telling the truth..and don’t know anything more..lets see what is going to happen..I know he solved some big cases in Holland.
      Anyway Just came from Las Vegas..had a great time..great people..great service..bought a timeshare..so will be going back every year now..


      SM:   Hi Linda!   Glad you had a good time in Vegas.   My stepson lives there!!   There have been varying translations of the De Vries show promo, thanks for letting us know.   Do you know if the show can be watched in Aruba?   (klaasend)

    33. Linda on November 23rd, 2006 1:33 pm

      Here you can see the promo video!!

    34. Linda on November 23rd, 2006 1:36 pm

      Ohh Okee..I’m not really up to date..No..they won’t show this in Aruba..we only have one dutch channel..which is a different one..
      As long as you guys place the link the next day..I’m sure everybody who is interested will watch the show from your site then.
      I can’t wait to see it..

    35. Carpe Noctem on November 23rd, 2006 3:00 pm

      Let’s put a li’l Babelfishie spin on it

      and see what that yields, Mr. Deep Freeze! ;)


      Sunday 26 November in peter R. freezes, crime report donor: Truth tale behind the disappearance of the American scholiere Natalee Holloway. An extra long retransmission from Aruba with throws shocking new facts and circumstances which another one lifts on the matter. Sunday 26 November, 21.00, SBS6



      Justice Voor Natalee!

      Happy Thanksgiving!

    36. Waterboy on November 23rd, 2006 11:00 pm

      To all,

      The golf course. I’ve been interested in the golf course for quite some time. It is isolated, and I’ve seen pictures from the course. You can see the light house in the background. 1906, I think the church you talk about is very near the golf course. Best I can tell, it’s about 640 acres ( 1 square mile). there is a lot of water and sand traps etc. Also of interest, there was new home construction going on at the time, and that means heavy equipment, like skid loaders and back hoes. I’d be interested to know if Paulus has a membership at the course ( I’m sure if they knew he was such a low rent guy, like we all do, his membership would be history.)

      I was able to get into the newsletters of the golf course for a while, but I’ve lost the link. I looked through it all and read every newsletter. I didn’t catch anything of interest, but I’m not quite as astute as some of the other posters, so I may have missed something. It’s been a while, but I don’t remember the news letter even mentioning Natalee. They went right on with their fundraisers etc., and didn’t even care about the missing American. Forgive me if I’m wrong, and for sure set me straight, please.


      I hear your concerns about your daughter. My number one advice to my son is–don’t open the door when someone knocks on it. If they can’t call first, they don’t deserve your attention. I’ve gotten in trouble so many times for answering the door. Someone is coming into your life uninvited. To heck with them. Guarded communities are great if you can afford them. It really cuts down on the danger. A loaded firearm is a real comfort (that is if you don’t have small kids around, if you do keep them locked up, the guns that is).

      I hope I am half the father that Dave Holloway has been and is. I know it’s tough on all who have girls. It seems like there are so many dangers out there. You would think the way we have locked the criminals up the last 5 years, that it would all be slowing down, but the most dangerous seem to be the ones that don’t get caught. They are taking DNA on all inmates now, so maybe some of the cold cases will be vindicated at some point. They have solved some very old murders this way already.


      Are you feeling better? When your concerns are directed toward the benefit of others as yours are, it always helps your own wounds heal quicker and cleaner. Hang in there.


      Keep up the good work. The handle–maybe a large knife handle?


      Would like to hear from you, and maybe your take on the golf course. 1906, the golf course goes for you too.


    37. waterboy on November 23rd, 2006 11:59 pm

      Just out of curiosity, have they searched” the ranch where the “gardner” worked?

      I keep throwing the “gardner” out as bait, and no one has even nibbled. I’m not in anyway saying that the suspicion is off Joran and the K brothers, cause I believe them to be guilty as hell, and that goes without saying. However, if they are guilty but the “gardner” just made up the story of seeing them, could it have been to throw the authorities off someone else or maybe even himself?

      We heard from his statement, that his “employer” talked him into coming forward. I find this hard to believe from an “employer” who evidently makes his living from peddling the cargo of fast moving cigarette boats.

      Come on monkeys, someone give me some feed back on the “gardner”, and let’s see where it goes.

    38. waterboy on November 24th, 2006 12:02 am

      Patti is the only one who has given any feed-back on the “gardner”. She even had me scratching my head.

    39. Drew Kesse on November 24th, 2006 9:05 am

      As a Father of a Missing Daughter also, Jennifer Kesse, Orlando, Fl., I wish you the strength and persistance to continue your fight in finding your daughter no matter what obsticles arise in front of you. I understand the patience one must have in your situation and I know the pain only grows however we must for our children’s sake never ever stop fighting for them. Never let up and never let evil win twice by giving up, which I know doesn’t even enter your mind! If I can ever be of help in any way,please do not hesitate to contact me, Beth has my #’s.

      With respect and understanding,
      Drew Kesse

    40. airgame12 on November 24th, 2006 12:13 pm

      So if the trailer announces that ht eshow is about the lies, corruption and deciet, and special information from the police, this would be nothing more than we already know, and like any of us would believe anything the police would have to say. I just hope he has the ace hidden in his under his hat, and is going to throw someone under the bus with evidence that can support it come Sunday!

      Hope you all had a great and safe Thanksgiving!!! Mike

    41. Minnesota Dad on November 24th, 2006 1:21 pm


      The gardener was probably utilized to further point the finger at J2K and remove Paulus from the spotlight. J2k were minors. It is pretty clear that the decision was made to keep pointing at the minors in this case rather than deal with the true perp, Paulus Van Der Sloot.

      Put the pieces of the puzzle together. Natalee was murdered or ultimately died in Paulus’ home, on Paulus’ mattress.

      Aruba did not search Paulus home, Aruba did not search Paulus’ computer, Aruba destroyed the bloody mattress, Aruba has done everything possible, including utilizing judicial orders and destroying evidence to insulate and remove Paulus from this case.

      He is your perp. He is the one Dutch Investigators should be stringing up. But they aren’t. The Dutch Investigators have not even taken the first step of VOIDING all judgements made by black robed buddies of Paulus’ to distance him from the case and make it virtually impossible to prosecute against him.

      The Dutch Investigators are a fraud and nothing more than the ‘same old, same old’ that we have seen come out of Aruba. You cannot solve this case unless you make efforts to bring the major piece of the puzzle back in. Get to work Dutch — we are on to your charade. md

    42. moey on November 24th, 2006 4:16 pm

      Minnesota Dad: When you can show evidence of any of the stuff you are promoting, I’ll join your bandwagon. Until then I’d put your theories in the allegations column. Moey

    43. airgame12 on November 24th, 2006 7:07 pm

      They did not search PVDS house……Fact!
      All of his friends in the justice system covered for him and bought him time………………Fact!
      New funiture and a mattress were brought in before the police eve thought about going over there…….Fact!
      They threw the two black gaurds in jail and ripped thier house apart but waited ten days to do anything to the main suspects because of who JVDS father is……Fact

      I can go on and on, but the bottom line is, he is your main player whether it be to direct the lies and schrade, or to cover for him self and have the kids on the same page. Minnesota Dad is right, and it is support by facts whether you can see it or not.

    44. Minnesota Dad on November 24th, 2006 7:56 pm


      I have followed this case from day one.

      All of what I have put down is the facts as I have seen them delivered by Aruban Law Enforcement, Judicial Officials, and the witnesses themselves.

      You need to do your homework….I am not going to make this easy for you….Paulus is your perp.

      You need to go back to the days after the murder….through the days of the searches…through the months of court manipulation (whether it was covering Paulus’ butt or releasing Joran on the day Katrina hit and obliterated the Southeast US – thus, all news was shifted and focused there including Greta Van Susteren was flown out of Aruba to cover)…you need to look at how Aruba has used the court system to insulate and protect Paulus (thus, making it the equivalent of double jeopardy in our system) while not letting any of the other accused perps have the same rights.

      You can look at the pictures and video that someone leaked out – Paulus hitting on Natalee at the casino, the furniture truck delivering to the Van Der Sloot Home, the Chicago videos, Paulus running down the street, Paulus being interviewed…etc., etc.).

      I have followed this case. I know who the perp is (Paulus) when you add everything up. I know where it took place (Paulus home) as Aruba, to this date has refused and used their court system to block searches of the compound, I know where it happened in the home (bedroom) as evidenced by the blood soaked mattress found by Aruban Law Enforcement and conveniently discarded like other items of evidence.

      You need to look at timelines and you will quickly notice that Paulus’ timeline for the night is hazy at best. In one statement he was out until 4am…in another it was 11pm. While ALE and media have focused on the timelines of J2K…NO ONE has ever built a timeline for Paulus. I think we know why….

      Do your homework buddy. You will then come to the same conclusion as I….Paulus, in his home, in the bedroom. CASE CLOSED. md

    45. Maggie on November 24th, 2006 9:02 pm

      There’s no question in my mind Paulus is a creep, but for being the main suspect, not sure. I still would like to know what Joran was talking about when he said Satish touched a girl with a car, and Joran saying if they find the girl they will see that chit, and Joran will get 15 years if they find her. I believe that to be Paulus in the casino, but I’m willing to look at anything, anyone has to prove different. I would also like to know Deepak and Satish signed statements making false allegations against the 2 guards as witnesses, why they aren’t in trouble? Why they aren’t in trouble for obstructing a case, all 3 of them. I do believe Natalee was drugged, because I don’t believe Natalee said let’s go to the other bar and take a shot together. I believe that was all the 3 suspects idea and they played a part in it. I doubt that Natalee ever saw them until she got in the car. I also believe that was to drug her drink, not like a 150 rum shot wouldn’t knock you for a loop to start with. Like drinking rubbing alcohol. All 4 of these people did anything and everything they could to avoid the truth coming out and they’ve done everything they can to keep from cooperating. I also believe Straten, and Jacobs were also part of a cover up. Paulus was in a position as a replacement judge to do favors for people and probably did. He more than likely called one in for all of them. None of them should have ever been in on this investigation. They should have excused themselves, because Paulus himself says he worked with all of them and was friends with them. He also said that appearance is everything. The apple don’t fall far from the tree with Joran and Paulus. They raised their son to be just like them. After watching them all for the past 18 months, they must have ice in their veins to let a mother and father, brother, sisters, and stepmother and father spend day and night worrying and wondering what they did to their daughter and try to tell the world they are the victims. All of them have repeatedly lied about Natalee. Like someone said before, Anita saying what kind of girl would get in the car with 3 strange guys. What kind of statement is that for a mother to make about her son? The one she said is a delicious sporter, don’t drink, don’t smoke, an A student. It’s sad in life, we have to go through something like losing a young life, to shed light on the low lifes of the world. I tell my daughter all the time, don’t judge a book by the cover. They can live right next door to us and pretend to be the nicest people in the world.

    46. IndyDan on November 24th, 2006 9:56 pm

      “What kind of girl would get in the car with 3 strange guys” Anita VDS. Spoken by a woman who knows the violance her son is capable of and knows in her heart he is guilty. It’s a dumb woman’s desparate attempt to put the blame on the innocent victim.

    47. Minnesota Dad on November 25th, 2006 12:43 am


      Don’t get me wrong – I do believe that J2K drugged Natalee and raped her. She may have been hit by Satish’s car. Those wounds, etc. would have been found on her.

      However, I believe that they brought a very sick and hurt young girl back to Paulus’ pad to deal with. Paulus then called in some help from his crime friends (whom he probably had assisted on a case that was in front of him) to deal with this problem and make sure “no body, no crime”.

      At this point in time the crime shifted from J2K to Paulus — he ran the show from there and this explains the blood soaked mattress, the failure of his friends in the courts and ALE to search his premises, and the extraordinary measures taken by the courts and ALE to protect and insulate Paulus from the crime.

      Paulus is your perp. He finished off Natalee and had her disposed of to assure that “no body, no crime”.

      Maggie – give me a timeline for Paulus that night. You can’t. This is why Aruba has kept the spotlight on J2K. Paulus was too busy cleaning up after the idiots and finishing the crime started by them. He has absolutely no coherent timeline — and please note — his statements give no timelines (he was never asked!!!) for his evening. He was a busy man throughout the night of Natalee’s disappearance. Who has checked his computer? Who has checked his cell phone records and calls? Why haven’t Aruban investigators????

      You know why. And now, the Dutch Investigators are trying to continue the fraud. If they were serious about solving this case they would have yanked Paulus’ butt right back into this. They are not serious. md


    48. molly on November 25th, 2006 1:47 am

      Minnesota Dad wins the Clue Game, IMO. It’s Paulus, in the bedroom, in his house. Nasty people. How can they still sleep in their house after what they did to Natalee?

      molly (in Houston)

    49. molly on November 25th, 2006 1:50 am

      Caribbean 101: http://travel.msn.com/Guides/article.aspx?cp-documentid=345234&GT1=8812

      The Definitive Guide to Choosing an Island

      Take a look at this. Aruba is NOT listed as recommended for families. It is recommended for being CHEAP, having GAMBLING and NIGHTLIFE. Not even it’s beaches are recommended. Not much of a recommendation to me.

      molly (in Houston)

    50. Waterboy on November 25th, 2006 9:20 am

      Minnesota Dad,

      You are right of course, Paulus had to be a major player. I think there is plenty of evidence to support this, or at least an incriminating lack of evidence to support this. When you find a gold chain in the sand, you follow it to the end, you don’t take a pair of bolt cutters, chop the chain in two and bury the pieces in the sand. By the way, I think the chain or pieces of it may still be findable and traceable if a proper investigation were ever conducted.

      I was afraid the Dutch investigation would be a wash. Paulus has some clout, no doubt.

      What I’m thinking with the gardner is he may be a “fixer.” You may be right, the evidenced was starting to point to Paulus and the “fixer” was called in. Art Wood thinks the gardner is a great guy, and this puzzles me. He didn’t believe Junior, and that puzzles me. You have to take the things Art says and believe them. The guy is salt of the earth. Maybe the things I’m seeing, I wouldn’t see if I had actual first hand knowledge, and was there.

      Papa’s involvement may be just(that word does not fit) to cove up for Joran, he may have participated in the rape of Natalee. For sure he is the “man” (with a small m) who has hidden and destroyed evidence, and may be continuing to do so. Missing and “lost” evidence may be Paulus at his best. You should not lock the fox in with the chickens.

      It seems that the most believable story is that they took Natalee to Joran’s apartment and that others participated. Maybe as many as 8 or 10, and possible involving some very high positioned persons. It may have moved from there to the Lion’s Den, and involved other female participants (willing at first). I don’t think that Ntalee’s participation was ever consensual. Natalee died, or was murdered (possible both — I’ll explain if needed). She was moved to a crypt (I’m thinking with the Wever lady, Natalee may still be there), then to another crypt, then to the landfill. When they saw Junior, they waited until he left, retrieved Natalee’s body and moved to the rock area. From there to the area where the bag pictures were taken, and from there to the sea. It is possible Ntalee’s body was picked up by a hearse and taken to the Wever’s funeral home and cremated (along with another body, or bodies) by our friend the Wever kid.

    51. Waterboy on November 25th, 2006 9:23 am


      Where are you?

    52. chris on November 25th, 2006 9:34 am

      #45 maggie, I have always felt that Satish did at one time hit a girl while driving Deepak’s car. I also think that Joran was there at the time and that is what he is holding over their heads to keep quiet about what they know he did to Natalee.
      That could be one reason why Deepak said in the police car confrontation to keep Satish out of it. Think it was in the car. Feel free to correct.
      Can’t wait for tomorrow to see what happens in that much hyped TV show out of Holland. One can only hope that something possitive will come of it. I’m still afraid that they might have found a patsy, that has been of great concern to me for a long time. I don’t put anything past them…….chris

    53. Waterboy on November 25th, 2006 9:39 am

      When I was a child, I was a master at hide and seek. To win is a simple feat. First, you hide where you can see your seeker or seekers. You watch where they look, and when they leave, you hide where they looked. They never look where they have looked before. Also, people normally don’t look up. Hide 3 feet over their head and they normally don’t find you. To hide where it seems physically impossible to hide is also first rate.

      Point is–just because the searchers searched an area does not mean that Natalee’s body was not there.

      Shango, are you hiding? Are you taunting the seekers?

    54. airgame12 on November 25th, 2006 10:21 am

      #53 Waterboy,
      Very good point! When I was in the military, during some exercises, up a tree was my favorite place because people dont look up. You are very correct that the best place to hide, or hide something, is right under the person looking nose!

    55. srg79 on November 25th, 2006 12:48 pm

      Never posted before but just want to throw this out there… The natural bridge collapsed in aug-sept. What is the possibility that Natalee’s body was placed there and the the bridge was made to collapse? Just a thought…

    56. Waterboy on November 25th, 2006 2:29 pm

      Never posted before but just want to throw this out there… The natural bridge collapsed in aug-sept. What is the possibility that Natalee’s body was placed there and the the bridge was made to collapse? Just a thought…

      Comment by srg79 | November 25, 2006, 12:48 pm

      To srg79,

      Be careful–it’s addicting.

      We have discussed the natural bridge and also that area, but not in detail There was a picture of something wrapped in plastic near that area at one time. It’s a good thought, 400 tons of debris would cover a lot.

      Chris, good to hear from you.

      airgame12, read my next post.


    57. Waterboy on November 25th, 2006 3:23 pm

      Why is it that none of the suspects (including the non-suspect Paulus) have consented to polygraph testing?

      It’s just my opinion, but polygraphs don’t seem all that accurate, and there seems to be a lot ridding on the interpretation of the tester. But, what I have noticed is that those that are guilty will not take a polygraph, and those that are innocent will take one to help prove their innocence. Usually the ones that take them are totally innocent.

      Part of the refusal to consent to polygraph testing may just be in the line of the questioning. For example, the tester might ask. Who participated. Joran would answer I don’t know. The tester would then ask did your dad? Did your mom? Did Freddie. Did someone important, etc, etc.

    58. chris on November 25th, 2006 5:44 pm

      Jerry, you and I would take a polygraph in a heartbeat, but then we didn’t kill Natalee either.
      I often wonder how the family Sloot feels when reading our posts, you know the do read them. Mama Anita is probably the only one not sleeping well at night. If I were in her shoes, I’d have to give both the perps up. She knows what she is married to and what she raised, how could she not.
      I don’t want to write a book, it’s just that I do think about that rotten clan a lot and would love to be a fly on their wall for just a day.
      Til these people are locked up, we will never go away…chris

    59. mayan_moons on November 26th, 2006 12:53 am

      Hey chris!

      At times i have felt sorry for Anita, remember the pic of her crying, she looked in shock & disbelief. Her reaction told me that she was unaware that her husband Paul & son Joran had a tag team hustle going on young American tourist girls at the island casinos when she is away.

    60. mayan_moons on November 26th, 2006 1:02 am

      Hey Carpe!

      Did ya eat lots of turkey? I did!~ and in the spirit of Thanksgiving i’m shooting whats left of the bird in Aruba’s direction!

    61. mayan_moons on November 26th, 2006 1:36 am

      Anita knows what happened to Natalee. Anita also knows in her heart that to cover up what Joran has done isn’t helping her son. Joran doesn’t know how to deal with life’s disappointments coz he has always gotton his way and judging the fact that he at 17 (maybe younger 16?) is in a completely separate dwelling on the Sloot property suggests that even they were unable to coexist day in & day out with the monster they helped create.

    62. Carpe Noctem on November 26th, 2006 2:17 am


      Shoot the bird in Aruba’s direction. LOL


      I had a great Thanksgiving glad to
      hear you did as well.

      Now I am fully rested & all fired
      up to finish off what is
      left of the lying, murdering,


      They did it, the killed her
      …and they are still lying
      through their teeth. IMHO

      They hope it will all go away,
      but it will not… until they
      tell the truth.

      Maybe someone should beat it out of them?

      They are scum loads, and they make me ill.


    63. mayan_moons on November 26th, 2006 2:49 am

      hehe tweety!

      Me too, rested & ready to pick every last piece of meat & grisle off that carcass called Aruba! I’m getting some bills back with BOYCOTT ARUBA 4 NATALEE and couldn’t be more pleased!

      I’m also very anxious to learn what that guy in Holland has uncovered! One thing is certain…..nothing will stop America’s wrath from raining down on that cursed little isle until we get the TRUTH about Natalee & formal public appologies to Beth, Dave and the rest of the family and those who led Natalee away face justice!

    64. Betty on November 26th, 2006 3:34 am

      They don’t try to solve this case because they are all kin to each .That Da they have is something else She wouldn’t talk to Beth Law or no law they need to strap Joran and his Dad to a le detector test those two are the gilty parties i think it was an accident but got violet and the boy killed her got scared and called his Dad to help him to get rid of the girl I do not belive the Brothers had anything to do with him .And why that Dutch boy with his smug looks geting
      on tv but before that for what 9 months you couldn’t get him to talk and then all of a sudden you couldn’t shut him up every one knows he is guilty. he chanced his story so much and if you are not guilty you don’t keep changeing your story I hope this new man on the case finds out what happen to Natalee.

    65. Waterboy on November 26th, 2006 10:43 am

      To Dave Holloway,

      I look at this picture of Dave Holloway (which I’ve seen before), and it really thumps my heart in a big way. Here is a man who has lost his first born child. He’s lost his beautiful daughter Natalee. He has done everything humanly possible to find her. He has spent money he doesn’t have, and time he can’t afford, and yet he pushes on. He endures. He searches, he prays, he hopes, he cries.

      And then you hear form the likes of Joran, who said that Dave, and Beth, and Jug have over reacted, that parents of a missing girl should not act that way. Chaps me in such a way, that it’s hard to sit.

      Dave, my heart goes out to you. Man of peace, man strength, man of courage, man of resolve, man of determination, man of intelligence, and man of love. How very, very fortunate Natalee is to have a father named Dave Holloway.

    66. Waterboy on November 26th, 2006 11:26 am

      to Minnesota Dad,

      It is getting near the end of the post section, and I sure a new topic will soon be placed. This is entirely off the subject, and just pure nostalgia on my part.

      I don’t know if you are really from Minnesota , but I have been to Charles L. Sommer’s Wilderness Canoe Base in Ely Minnesota. I first went as a kid. You may have read my post months ago about my thoughts of spending a week in the lighthouse on Aruba, and one of the things I said I would take was 3 “Jerry Cans” of water from a deep lake in Minnesota. I’m thinking of maybe Lake Agnes. The taste of the water in Minnesota is just wonderful. Drinking it is such a delight.

      The last time I went back was in 1998, with my son. The guide told us we had to put iodine in the water before we drank it, and it completely killed the taste (and feel of the water). I decided that what ever I might catch from the water would be worth it in order to taste the water and have all those pleasant feelings come back. My grandparents in McCool Mississippi had a water well (hand drawn) that tasted just the same.

      When I think of Minnesota, I think of the wonderful water.


    67. chris on November 26th, 2006 2:17 pm

      Jerry, you sentimental ole thing, it’s good for just a few minutes to get off the case at hand. We are all so consumed with Natalee that we forget some of the sweeter things in life. Good for you…….chris

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