Aruba: Rudy Croes Response Letter to the AHATA … The Empire Strikes Back


Rudy Croes fires back at the AHATACroesVader1

Think they are not starting to feel the pressure? The finger pointing begins. Won’t the next elections in Aruba be interesting?

All this bickering and all that was ever needed was to provide Justice for Natalee.


(11/17/2006 Solo di Pueblo)

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Posted November 20, 2006 by
Aruba, Crime, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 98 comments

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    98 Responses to “Aruba: Rudy Croes Response Letter to the AHATA … The Empire Strikes Back”

    1. JusticeforNatalee on November 20th, 2006 11:34 am


      When are you going to blame the SUSPECTS who killed Natalee Holloway and put them in JAIL?!

      That will go a long way in helping your island.


      Now that the coverup is being discussed in popular tabloids, even more Americans will join the boycott.


      Wake up Aruba!

    2. MIss-Underestimated on November 20th, 2006 11:37 am

      Tourism is down because of Aruba’s handling of the Natalee Holloway case.

      And an ingenious way to bring tourism back, admitt the crap Aruba did, find and return Natalee to her home, and lock up the perps. Now Rudy that is effen ingenious.

    3. melissa on November 20th, 2006 11:39 am

      I find it so amusing that Rudy Croes asks Jorge what statistics he is using regarding the increase in crime. When I lived in Aruba and recalling one of my episodes of being a victim of crime, after a robbery and despite numerous calls to the police, they never showed up to take a report. Later I heard there had been so many robberies that night they did not have the man power. My question is: How can there be accurate statistics when there is not accurate reporting?

      Also, does Rudy still have his office in Columbia in order to process work permits?

    4. John Staton on November 20th, 2006 12:08 pm

      Perhaps now people will stop trying to say that Aruba is doing just great on this site. None are so blind as those that will not see.

    5. Nut44x4 on November 20th, 2006 12:15 pm

      I have to agree W/ #1… is so obvious for so long and NO ONE in charge down there did anything to help…….HELLO…….we are waiting….

    6. Minnesota Dad on November 20th, 2006 12:25 pm


      This letter and its undertones speaks volumes. Thou protesteth too loudly Rudy.

      It appears that AHATA is calling the decline in tourism for what it is – The Natalee Holloway Government Cover-up is screwing over the country.

      If your job, as AHATA’s is, is to bring in tourists, you need to get down to ground zero and figure out what is causing the precipitous decline. They know and they appear to be as tired of the BS as those of us here at Scared Monkeys.

      You can only give away free trips on game shows for so long. When the game show contestents start shunning the free trips….you know you need to do something.

      AHATA’s volley at the government appears to have broken a pact. “We will both try to help each other get out of this without spilling the beans.” Well, the hotels, restaurants, parasailing guys, etc. etc. are fed up. They aren’t making money and their employees are being let go. AHATA wants the beans spilled — CRIME ISLAND can no longer go on ignoring what they have done to Natalee Holloway.

      Board up your buildings Aruba….we ain’t coming! You can have your tourism suck for 3 to 5 years by fessing up to the murder and government cover-up, or, you can rot for the next 50. Your call…. md

      p.s. Paulus is your perp. When are the Dutch Investigators going to VOID judgements made by Paulus’ buddies in order to insulate and distance him from the case??? We are waiting………

    7. dennisintn on November 20th, 2006 12:40 pm

      #4, js, i wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.

    8. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 12:48 pm

      Rudy Croes is a laughable, senile, smarmy,
      ole’ shrimp peckered deviant.

      ( you know when I drop a post it’s damn sure
      gonna have at least a half-dozen adjectives -
      that’s usually just the warm up. )

      Baghdad Bob ain’t got nothing on THIS FOOL!

      that go completely unpunished!!!

      Hey Rudy… you’re a world class laughing stock.

      Maybe one of your daughters will
      “get whacked” and be tossed in to 510-24.

      Maybe THEN you’ll change your tune?

      Hey Rudy Croes – you’re a
      GI-NORMOUS pock mark on Aruba…
      Don’t forget to take
      your Aricept old man!

      ARUBA – Island of DEATH and RAPE

      Book Today, Die Tomorrow.

      -Any questions: please seek out the ARU-BAY VIDEOS
      on the Internet and see it with your own eyes-

      Jail the murdering, raping Van der Sloots
      and Kalpoes. It’s your only way out.


      Kick ‘em when they’re up

      Kick ‘em when they’re down

      Kick ‘em when they’re stiff

      Kick ‘em all around!!!


      BOYCOTT ARUBA in to the dirt

      Justice For Natalee!

      Today is #539

    9. dennisintn on November 20th, 2006 12:52 pm

      there is not a desk in the govt. of aruba that has a sign saying “the buck stops here”. referring to the acceptance of responsibility for the ruination of aruba’s credibility. if there actually was a sign like that one aruba, it would be interpreted, based on their prior actions, to mean the graft dollars end up there.

    10. 10061906 on November 20th, 2006 1:03 pm

      There have been many times I have been so frustrated that this case has not been solved; that I felt like giving up. But I made a promise to Natalee’s soul that I would stay in it for the long haul until either she or her remains were brought back to Alabama.
      So a promised made is one to be kept.
      And it is not because Natalee is a white, well to do teenager that pushes me for closure.
      It is because the island of Aruba is so corrupt and they have basically given the Twitty and Holloway families and the world the bird. They have attempted to sweep the name of Natalee Ann Holloway off the face of the earth. The have prostituted themselves into a law of convenience and allowed the perpetrators to run the island. All the while the ads have read one safe and happy island. Aruba is a fake, a farce and a human disgrace. It is a rim of an ancient volcano. Its beaches are fake. The sand had to be imported. It is only 18 or more inches deep. What does Aruba have to offer? Nothing that I am or will ever be interested. Caves? Kentucky has over three hundred miles of underground caves. They are called the Monmouth Caverns. What else does it offer to tourists? Come visit the deserted oil refinery, the natural bridge that collapsed last September but is still advertised, the landfill, the water purification plant, the incinerator plant, the corrupt law offices and police stations, the casinos that are fixed to take your money or perhaps the hotel rooms that have video cameras in the guest rooms.
      Aruba is doomed and in time will be only a memory in a Beach Boys song.

    11. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 1:14 pm

      Miss U writes:

      And an ingenious way to bring tourism back, admitt the crap Aruba did, find and return Natalee to her home, and lock up the perps. Now Rudy that is effen ingenious.


      You got that right, madame!

      All of the cutsie tootsie commercials you’ve been
      airing DO NOT AMOUNT TO A HILL OF…

      (Bravo Channel last night 10:30p Eastern)

      Your message to the American Public has never been
      more clear!

      Come vacation in Aruba and spend your
      MONEY… but if your child is murdered,
      we really can’t be bothered with
      pesky little details like that.


      That taint gonna WORK.

      (operator voice)

      Please hang up and try your
      call again.


    12. vicki on November 20th, 2006 1:26 pm

      Oh 1906, you have voiced my sentiments exactly. I am crying because what you just wrote is so true. Every once in a while I switch my Natalee braclet on the other hand so I am aware that she is still needing my prayers. I too have wanted to just try and forget because it just hurts so much, but I too have promised to see this tru. God bless those of us Monkeys that truely care.

    13. Robots on November 20th, 2006 1:27 pm


    14. airgame12 on November 20th, 2006 2:01 pm

      Not only does Aruba suck…….but they dont even suck good!!! Damn shame that they are so blind to the fact that the world is watching, and have there finger on the handle of the toliet. Say hello to the Tidy Bowl man for us you rat hole little trash heap of a island. Too bad we can take you out a grid square at a time, but then of course we would kill all the fish there as we all know what a toxic olace you are! Give her back damnit!!!! NOW!

    15. Robots on November 20th, 2006 2:10 pm

      dittos to airgame12

    16. downloadingd on November 20th, 2006 2:14 pm

      I too wanted to give up but commited to seeing this through. Everytime i hear the word Aruba I see red and all I can think about is Justice for all that have been wronged!

      Arubans, your government created this mess, now innocent people are losing their livelihood, what are you going to do about it?

      I will boycott Aruba until they admit all wrongs and take appropriate steps to give justice to Natalee and her family.

    17. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 2:14 pm


      Do what’s right Aruba.
      What if it happened to
      your daughter? What would
      you be doing?

    18. MIss-Underestimated on November 20th, 2006 2:16 pm

      Good to see you 1906…always the best posts.

      Carpe can I add?

      Operator – Operator, I think you disconnected me. Oh no Rudy Tudy, American Tourists will not accept your calls.

      Hey Rudy….the truth will set Aruba free from the shackles of lying and covering up the murder of Natalee Ann Holloway.

    19. Bob on November 20th, 2006 2:51 pm

      Well, for what it’s worth, we sold our 2 time shares at different properties as our way of silent protest against the continued insult to American vacationing tourists. To each his own, and thank God we did so last winter. I was contacted by the buyer recently who said she had to drop her asking price ANOTHER $2,000 because after trying Aruba and not liking it, she decided to sell, and now can’t. She said the place was deserted most of the time, and increasingly, the people are agitated and sometimes rude. For my part, “IF” they ever decide to bite the bullet and act as they are expected to act, and fairly conclude the Holloway affair, then we will re-consider rebuying time shares again. By that time, the prices will be dirt cheap. There was no need for all of this, so all are punished for the sins of a few. What a waste. So sorry.

    20. dennisintn on November 20th, 2006 3:00 pm

      carpe, they proved what they thought of their own little girls being raped this summer when the l6 yr. old girl got gang-raped at her school. she had to be sent off-island and away from her family to finish her schooling, and the perps are still cruising for more action. not like there wasn’t any evidence since the rapists phone-picced their activities to all their friends.

    21. JusticeforNatalee on November 20th, 2006 3:07 pm

      Maybe Rudy will put the Darth Vader pic on his MySpace account!LOL

      What a JOKE–the MINISTER of JUSTICE has a MYSPACE account!

    22. Mortella on November 20th, 2006 3:15 pm

      For the Scared Monkeys Murder and Crime in Aruba thread (you do NOT have to register to read!)taken from the pages of Aruba’s own newspapers, go here

      So what does Rudy mean where is Pesquara getting those stats? Monkeys found them in the public library there and guess what? HIGHER murder rate than in the U.S. per capita. Too many robberies of tourists to even take reports, not even included in newspapers. These are taken mostly from travel blogs but the hard stats for murder and serious crime are from the local papers.

      This letter is one of the silliest and most immature things I have ever read from a government official! What’s with the corny “fingers pointing” and other childish analogies??? This is so obviously an “I’m just mad cause you blabbed about this” kind of thing we see when one co-culprit squeals on another.

      And still they are in denial. It’s lack of promotion? I don’t think so. It’s offending deeply the major source of tourists in a most vile and evil manner.

      We may never return Aruba but things are going to get worse instead of better in this regard as it takes months for a boycott to take effect.

    23. JusticeforNatalee on November 20th, 2006 3:29 pm

      Aruba needs to promote JUSTICE.

      Forget the splashy ads, hotels, and malls.

      Waste of money.

      starting with

    24. Roy on November 20th, 2006 3:56 pm

      #10…Throw in Holland and you get a big AMEN!

    25. MIss-Underestimated on November 20th, 2006 4:03 pm

      Mortella sometimes when things work even though they are technically broken, like dysfunctional families, much like the Aruban LE and justice system, it becomes very hard to accept that it just doesn’t work anymore, like denial.

      However unless they, the Aruban LE and justice are rip roaring idiots, they should have seen this coming 16 months ago. I cannot believe Aruba thought this case was just going to go away. What I surmise is that in the past before Natalee Holloway, Arubas tactics may have worked but Aruba just cannot accept that they aren’t working this time.

    26. mac on November 20th, 2006 4:21 pm

      Aruba: When we get justice for Natalee we will come back to your island.

    27. Freebrid on November 20th, 2006 4:43 pm

      Second verse same as first always blaming someone else. He repeatly kept blaming everyone but the Aruba Government. Everyone involved in Natalee’s case has connections to the Aruben government. ARUBA, COES, VAN DER SLOOTS, KALPOE’S, this is not going away!!!!!!!!!!
      God is watching you!!!!!!!

    28. mayan_moons on November 20th, 2006 4:43 pm

      You’re Right Miss-U! They never thought it would get this far, not in a million years did they think we’d still be here! I bet they hate this soo baad, for the first time in a long time people are getting in their face expecting them to do their damn jobs & to enforce their own lawa.
      We’re staying in your face Aruba!

    29. SL-Gloria on November 20th, 2006 4:45 pm

      I doubt that Jorge Pesquera acts without the blessing of those he represents. He reports to a committee of tourism industry representatives and these most likely reach a consensus of strategic posture before the Executive Director opens his mouth. Ruddy addresses Pesquera as if he were an ungrateful foreigner that doesn’t give a dam about Aruba. But Jorge is speaking on behalf of the same people that represent the essence of Aruba’s economy. So this is politics at its finest. Croes prefers to crap on Pesquera for being a foreigner that “attacks” Aruba rather than address the AHATA members directly: a defensive offensive.

    30. mayan_moons on November 20th, 2006 4:54 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      The last few stills you captured…the one with the blue filter so disturbing. I’ve been looking with fresh eyes again & pointed some things out so check your email, especially this last still i’m sending over now!

    31. Melissa on November 20th, 2006 5:00 pm

      Another example of Aruba’s ongoing stupidity. As reported in Diario the other day, Aruba immigration is only allowing visiting Americans to stay 30 day maximum. The loyal timeshare visitors who want to stay longer (and spend their dollars in Aruba’s extremely inflated economy) are told NO. These are childish antics to retaliate against the American tourists who are saying NO to Aruba.

    32. airgame12 on November 20th, 2006 5:00 pm

      Aruba, the perps, the justice system,and all involved can take the hell express as far as I am concerned!!! It is beging to look like if we dont do something about it..IE our Justice Department, nothing is ever going to happen besides the bullshit that is going on now. And the bad thing is, we have classless pieces of shit like Larry Garrision going on national TV and saying there is a deep throat type wittness that is going to blow it wide open within two weeks. Guess what asshole, its been a lot longer than 2 weeks. The train also has a seat reserved for your punk ass also!

      Sorry Red and Klass, but this really has me in a bad mood today!

    33. Mike on November 20th, 2006 5:01 pm

      #19- good for you bob. just curious, but was the person you sold to an american? i take it they did not believe anything was going to happen.

    34. JusticeforNatalee on November 20th, 2006 5:15 pm

      Aruba never thought we would fight this hard for “one girl.”

      Well, guess again, Aruba!

      We are standing up for Natalee and our own daughters and nieces.

      We are not going away.

      You blew it BIG TIME, Aruba.

      Natalee is back in the US news. And De Vries is airing a show about her in the Netherlands.

      Get smart, Aruba. Deliver justice and save your island.

    35. mayan_moons on November 20th, 2006 5:16 pm

      Carpe enlarge the last still 200% not large.


    36. NM on November 20th, 2006 5:24 pm

      quote from above letter:
      As the founder and driver for the visibility teams as well as the guards nos costa unit….

      Am I reading this right? rudy runs the visibility team, and the clowns in all basic black?!!!!

    37. super dave on November 20th, 2006 5:26 pm

      #31 good! let them treat americans this way and more & more of americans will cease to go to this $hithole. i’m really surprised that the people there are not rioting and demanding something to be done. the only reason i can think of is that some of these people like the way that the case has been handled and are so stupid that they would rather live this way than have things to change for the better.

    38. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 6:44 pm

      U got it, Miss Mayan,

      Checking the email…


      BTW: Mayan is talking about the facial features
      that I discovered in the 24 BASIN BAG Sunday morning.

      The reason why it is
      so clear and full of detail -I think-
      is because the plastic
      was flying about… and for a few seconds
      it pulls in real tight over
      what appears to be a human face.

      It took my breath away for a bit too, MM.



    39. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 6:46 pm

      PS- Klaas you had me rolling with Rudy Croes
      swinging a light sabre! LOL


      SM:   :)    :)    Thanks Carpe!   Thought you’ld get a kick out of it!! :) (klaasend)

    40. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 7:06 pm

      Love me, love my MONKEY?


      C-H-R-O-N-I-C B-U-B-O-N-I-C.

    41. Tazman on November 20th, 2006 7:45 pm

      Rudy Croes is full of lip service just like the rest of them.

      They all need to “walk the walk” and not “talk the talk”.

      Best pic. yet that I’ve seen of Rudy in the Darth Vader getup!! He is one ugly (scary) looking dude!!

      Everyone in the Aruban gov. has an impressive job title and doesn’t do shit!! Has any one of them ever followed through with their job to completion? Like solve a case. Any case?

      Carpe, all your pics are priceless!! Including the funny ones. Thanks!!

    42. IndyDan on November 20th, 2006 8:33 pm

      Poor Rudy, ‘just one girl and shut that woman up’. Ass hangin’ large and now looking for another scapegoat.
      Wonder what kind of fairy taled world that yes man grew up in. What a pig.

    43. Bob on November 20th, 2006 8:37 pm

      Re #33- yes, the gal was from New Jersey. Apparantly she had been to Aruba years ago with girlfriends. After a later failed marriage, and divorce, she was looking for an escape place. I sold her a week at La Cabana and one at Casa del Mar. I saw the handwritting on the wall, so anticipating rental values were going to plumet because of the “meaningless boycott”, I got out even money. She went down there, was disappointed and put up both for sale for months w/o luck. Then she emailed me, asking if I wanted them back… quite a bargain. I said no, and they are still for sale. As I stated in my prior message above, if and that’s a big “if”, Aruba EVER wakes up, apologizes to Mrs Twitty, prosecutes Natalee’s killer(s) and America….I would reconsider coming back. I am an old fashioned person, I treat others as I expect to be treated. My grandfather had a saying that I also subscribe to: “Go and spend your money where your money is treated best”. Right now, that’s NOT Aruba. Honestly, if I never go back, it will be no loss to me. Aruba foolishly underestimated Americans. Natalee is like the Twin Towers…..we will NEVER forget, or forgive.

    44. IndyDan on November 20th, 2006 8:40 pm

      Of all the players involved in the coverup of the kidnapping, rape and murder of Natalee Holloway, Rudy has to win the Oscar, all the others have remained silent in their known guilt hoping the storm will pass, but the dumbass Rudy still toots the company horn.

    45. Allan K on November 20th, 2006 8:44 pm

      They still leave Natalee’s parents in hell while they discuss the tourism. Can they not add two plus two? Just bring in the guilty, we know Joran didn’t sit there and never say anything.
      ALE’s job was to keep him from talking. That they did. Yes no 17 year old boy would have held up for that. They lied to us when they said he held up to tough questioning in actuality they stopped hem from talking. His tongue was bloody and sore, etc, from not being able to talk.

    46. IndyDan on November 20th, 2006 8:53 pm

      #43 Bob – the Twin Towers comparison to what Aruba has done to Natalee Holloway and her family – right on the mark.

    47. Maggie on November 20th, 2006 8:55 pm

      I wrote a letter to Vanna White, and asked her to send them a couple vowels, so maybe they could get a clue. I think Rudy is the one who wanted to shut Beth up. What kind of person would place their life in the hands of these people now as a tourist?!

      Not one has gave a damn about justice for Natalee. All we ever see is smearing the victim or her family or money money money talk and tourism. NOT 1 person has changed the fact in 18 months, Natalee was last with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran VanderSloot. Their character speaks for itself. They can talk till they are blue in the face, and it will never matter until they deal with the “elephant in the middle of the room.”

      Hey Rudy Vader, in the words of Hans Solo, may the farce be with you for the rest of your life.

    48. IndyDan on November 20th, 2006 9:01 pm

      Every move Aruba makes is backwards into their criminal comfort zone that has floated the Island for decades. Their problem now is, the plug has been pulled and no one has the balls to step up and make things right and try to turn the damage around. They’re all still stuck in stupid thinking if they just keep toeing the line, things will come back the way things used to be. ARUBA – EXPOSED.

    49. Allan K on November 20th, 2006 9:01 pm

      I believe Oduber, Paulus, Posner, choice other Dutch people, and some ALE were involved with Natalee at the Lion’s Den. The only reason for a coverup of this magnitude. The whole island will probally become deserted before this comes out. Please somebody put this case toward a final stage and let these parents finally grieve with a body. Aruba you are a sad lot. You are going down. We pay for what I leaders do and you will too. You are going to pay dearly in money from US. That is not a threat it is allready taking place. You have passed a point of redemption. You may not even know what you do wrong because of being heartless and souless and living in a corrupt land. The old men and young had to feed their lusts on that island. They did what most people could not imagine.

    50. Maggie on November 20th, 2006 9:04 pm

      #43 Bob,,,excellent post!

    51. IndyDan on November 20th, 2006 9:12 pm

      The VanderSloot family is a dysfunctional, clan of perverts that see nothing wrong with kidnapping and raping young tourists girls. Even the mother gets off discussing the underwear of her son’s rape victim. In our civilized country, it’s beyond comprehension how people of a third world nation like Aruba can dismiss such a crime. It’s just one girl and boys will be boys in a country where drugging and raping tourists is nothing more than a Sport.

    52. Richard on November 20th, 2006 9:23 pm

      Hey, Bob, do you think the buyer might have been that New Jersey girl who tried to tell us what a wonderful guy Joran van der Scum was? Remember that stupid bimbo and her mother who were on TV saying that they were charmed by His Royal Highness Joran?

      That would be delicious if they were the family … hey, in this life if you’re stupid enough, you get the penalty.

      We haven’t heard any more from that family since their 15 minutes of fame.

      My question: if Aruba business isn’t demanding that something be done, why not? Are they afraid of the people who run their government? Sounds like it, to me.

      Probably because they’re all in bed with the drug traffickers.

    53. Richard on November 20th, 2006 9:24 pm

      And Allan K … not to harp on the same theme all the time … but if they know, or have reason to know, that Natalee was taken off the island, they must also know that ending the cover-up would be their political, and possibly physical, demise.

    54. Mortella on November 20th, 2006 9:40 pm

      #51 IndyDan, Anita said “the girl” should NOT have gotten in that car! I cannot imagine saying that about my own sons, that a girl would be foolish and should not get into the car with them!

      Just the opposite, I would think the girl would be very safe with my own sons and if I did not think this, I would think I had grossly failed as a parent. Would be working hard to see to it that girls were safe around them.

      That’s the attitude I think you are talking about and it makes me want to barf!! But she said that about her own son and seemed to think that normal. Girl gets in car, anything goes as that is giving permission?? WRONG! Guess again, Anita. Grow a brain and get some morals.

    55. dennisintn on November 20th, 2006 9:46 pm

      one of the travel magazines had an article touting aruba’s new multimillion dollar ad campaign saying aruba’s been reinvigorated and refurbished. didn’t say a thing about anything actually having been changed, just that they were paying big money to say that. as far as i’ve been able to see, the street drug dealers are still operating, the pickpockets and beggars still going strong, hotel burglars still keeping the pawn shops in business, and nothing has really changed.

    56. Richard on November 20th, 2006 10:27 pm

      Travel magazines are the Steve Cohens (read: media whores) of the world … they cater to a clientele that wants to read about dazzling beaches, fabulous meals, and “in” things to do. Rarely if ever do they offer perceptive articles about the ways of life and thought in the “exotic” locations they cover.

      Following them would be like accepting the ads that the cruise ship industry throws out there as representing the truth.

      I’m wondering … suppose some of us were to form a nonprofit group (let’s call it “Foreign Friends of Aruba,” a name that is odious, but keep reading to see why a name like that is needed) and were to take out some ads in Aruban publications telling the locals that:

      1. your tourism/economy will NEVER recover without answers and convictions in Natalee’s case.

      2. your government/police/judicial system seem determined not to provide any such answers.

      3. therefore, as foreigners who are concerned about the welfare of the Aruban people, we wish to point out that it is up to YOU to put pressure on your own government.

      You CANNOT sit back and wait for “them” to take care of things. “They” are not in charge of the foreign tourists; “they” have shown how little they care for either the foreign tourists (once their money stops rolling in) or the Aruban people whom “they” are supposed to be representing; “they” will continue to protect themselves at your expense.

      So YOU MUST ACT.

      Any takers?

    57. judy w. on November 20th, 2006 10:48 pm

      Saw the Aruba ad on Discovery Channel Saturday night…UGH!!! The commercial is like a fairy tale…all make-believe and pretty, when Aruba is such an ugly, vile place where a young American girl went to celebrate graduation from high school, drank some while away from her parents, as most teenagers will do when they can, partied with her friends, trusted the WRONG foreigners and hasn’t been seen since leaving with them from C&C’s. I know they had to drug her or she wouldn’t have went with them. Being a southern girl myself, I know, even drunk, I wouldn’t have. And I have been drunk in my younger days (no longer drink), but never drunk enough to leave in a car with the likes of JVDS and the Kalpoes, or anyone else I didn’t go with. I don’t think Natalee would have either. All of us here are like a family…we’ve taken Natalee and her family into our hearts and refuse to give up until there is justice for Natalee Ann Holloway!

    58. slogmonster (previously stumpwater) on November 20th, 2006 11:09 pm

      #56 Now that sounds like a great idea!

      I wonder if Arubaanse thinks that would work?

    59. Bob on November 20th, 2006 11:25 pm

      To each his/her own opinion. We “enjoyed” Aruba for over 13 yrs. We went on annual winter vacations religiously, and did so for the very reasons that made them such a semi-popular destination from the start…nice local people, value of vacation costs, more often than not-good food in the restaurants, etc. All was available be it a slice of pizza to a lavish chà ¢teau’ for two. Even shopping bargains 10 years ago made them a more than reasonable destination. But changes became noticeable about 5 yrs ago. Costs escalated: airlines, hotels, restaurants, jewelry shops, etc. Nothing remains a bargain forever, but suddenly, tourists were being pegged as money spending “dopes”. We also noticed something more – attitude changes in the residents, workers, and public employees. For lack of a better description – they became bottom of the rung “Americanized”. That was the beginning of downhill in services, persona, and value in my opinion. Someone fed the people a line of baloney and people there began a “take it or leave it” attitude. Nothing outrageous, but certainly the almighty dollar was king. To be totally honest, if your skin toughened as the years went bye, it rolled off your back, and it made little difference.

      Then the Natalee “incident” occurred, and the Island “ignored” the event. Subsequent conversations with a long time hotel worker with whom we had a friendly relationship revealed some pretty “wild” admissions about his Country. He really opened up after a few off-duty drinks at the swim up bar. They swept under the rug “incidents” with the owner of Talk of the Town, the incident with the owner of that Italian eatery across from the Crystal casino in town, and several others. Stories of missing “girls” who were tracked to but never returned from Venezuela. The stories went on & on. He was so sad about it, and said Arubans “don’t talk about these things”.

      Well, “stuff” happens in every country in the world for sure. We came home, talked about it all, and decided to sell the time shares, because too much was going on there, and we felt we would wind up on the short end of the stick. Nothing last’s forever, except maybe diamonds. One last thing that sort of sealed it for us was leaving a Casino one night. We walked out of the Alhambra and chatted with big Roger, the doorman, as we awaited a cab. I made some passing comment about how empty the casino appeared and suggested perhaps there was some sort of boycott, maybe Natalee related? He reared back and shot off a string of BS about how the Twitty’s were liars, how she was a typical American girl bimbo who had done a disappearance act before, on and on. I asked was that his opinion? He replied that the Aruban government told “everyone” that was what happened, etc. And her “disappearance” was all a lie. Well, that’s what he said. I made my own decisions. We stopped all ties with/to Aruba, they are dead to us until such time as the Natalee Holloway incident is properly closed. If it never does, no problem, my money is good worldwide. I’m an American, I,m free to choose what I want.

    60. Carpe Noctem on November 20th, 2006 11:59 pm

      LOL … thanks for the kind words, Taz. I am thrilled
      you enjoy them, and thanks for lettin’ me know!


      Hey ppls is it just me…

      or does RUDY CROES look like

      a hybrid between the LUCKY CHARMS LEPRECHAUN



      Is that dude not a
      Garden Gnome gone bad,

      …OR WHAT???

      Ohhhhhhhhhhh, they’re always after
      Rudy’s LUCKY CHARMMMMMMS!!! :)


    61. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 12:25 am

      #57 and other fellow monkeys:

      Link to contact Discovery Channel

      Tell them what Aruba is REALLY like!

      Just sent my message–hope you send yours!

    62. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 12:28 am

      Carpe, LOL about Lucky Charms and Abe!

      Richard, you have a lot of good ideas.

      Does anyone think that Joran will be persona non gratis in the Netherlands after the De Vries program?

    63. molly on November 21st, 2006 1:16 am showed an ad on the History Channel about 30 minutes ago. Very fancy ad with dancing girls in full costume. It looked like a parade in Brazil or something. Also showed white beaches. Made me sick. They are wasting their money. We saw an ad on the Discovery Channel recently, too. I guess tv channels are taking Aruba’s money just like Aruba takes American tourists’ money, but it is irresponsible to do so. One of them might get sued one day for advertising a place that caused another family to lose their daughter. To know the truth about Aruba is terrifying.

      Let ‘er rip! Boycott Aruba.

      molly (in Houston)

    64. judy w. on November 21st, 2006 2:11 am

      Thank you for the website to write to the Discovery Channel. I went there and wrote them a very nice, lengthy comment telling them how much I enjoy their channel and how shocked I was to see the Aruba ad on it. I informed them of Natalee’s disappearance and the subsequent cover up by Aruban government/police and asked that they consider not running the ad any longer. I told them I knew broadcasting is funded by advertising as I used to be office manager for two local newspapers, but that I am sure they can get advertising from MUCH more reputable advertisers. I also informed them of the boycott. Thank you again for posting the web address to do this.

    65. mayan_moons on November 21st, 2006 2:20 am

      LOL Carpe!~

      I’d like to nail the Leprechaun’s clovers to the wall!
      You guys/gals Rock!~

    66. Mortella on November 21st, 2006 2:44 am

      Yeah, run a few ads and we will all come back. That’s the ticket, Rudy!

    67. Mortella on November 21st, 2006 2:50 am

      Remember Aruba attending the global seminar on corruption? They made a BIG DEAL about not having any anti-corruption laws even though developing countries in Africa had them.

      Why on earth would not the laws of the Netherlands apply in the absence of their own laws as that is what they have been telling us applies since Day 1 of Natalee’s disappearance.

      Then suddenly, they have this whole blank area in their judicial system with no laws applying against corruption. I think this is yet another of their shallow, transparent ploys to explain why they will next refuse to do anything about those who committed this professional cover up.

      No laws, no case.

      Everything they do is just one cover up after another and I am so sick of this kind of reprehensible behavior.

      If they have no corruption laws, those from the NL apply. End of discussion as far as I am concerned but whatcha wanna bet we will never see one person charged for the part they played in the deliberate botching of this investigation.

    68. mayan_moons on November 21st, 2006 3:10 am

      I recently learned that in Natalee’s preteen years she lived in Clinton, Mississippi, i was like….wow what a co-inkydink, so did i and then i learned Natalee was born in Memphis. So was i. I then learned Natalee’s grandparents live in Pearl Miss. I used to live there too. & the final twist is Birmingham suburb that Natalee called home, well my mother lived there for years. I truely feel connected to her in some hard to describe way.

      Natalee had every right to go on vacation & not be targeted & stalked by the sons of Aruba. I want the wrath of God to rain down on that crappy little isle and to show as much mercy to Aruba as their local son’s showed Natalee.


    69. Pearl on November 21st, 2006 3:17 am

      Maybe Rudy Croes can explain to Mr. DeVries why it was that Mr. Croes’ Visibility Team claimed to not forward to the Polis on May 30, 2005, the pleas of Mr. P. Lilly and his party for help, or why his visibility team never bothered to follow up and respond,concerning the kidnapping of Natalee Holloway that Paul Lilly reported to Mr. Croes’ “visibility team” in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005?

      That’s strange. The invisible Visibility Team claimed back then that they never “forwarded” Mr. Lilly’s request for help concerning a missing American child to their own Polis… ?

      This is responisble conduct, Mr. Croes?

      You consider it responsible conduct that your Visibility Team never bothered to follow through on Mr. Lilly’s report to the VT you drive, that Natalee was missing and your VT couldn’t seem to behave responsibly, and patch Mr. Lilly’s call for help over to your own polis?

      Tell us, Mr. Croes? Who was your liason for your Visibility team? Who was your liason to your ALE for your Visibility Team on May 30, 2005?
      I bet Mr. De Vries can find out for us WHO your liason from the VT to the ALE was on May 30, 2005.

      How strange; how convenient. The Visibility team never forwarded Mr. Lilly’s pleas for help to their own ALE polis.

      Maybe Mr. Croes, the driver of the Visibility Team can explain his protocol for his ‘responsible government’s failure to respond to Mr. Lilly’s pleas for help, since it was an American citizen, someone’s child who was being reported missing, and it seems the Visibility Team decided this wasn’t worthy of polis time or resources, since they never took any action according to their explanation to Mr. Lilly following Mr. Lilly’s cry for help to them.

      Apparently, when an American child who is a tourist is kidnapped in Aruba, the visibility team seems to believe that no response is the best response.

      In fact, the visibility team claims the responsible thing to do is to do absolutely nothing at all.

      Are you sure, Mr. Croes? Are you sure that no one from the ALE was notified that Natalee was missing and last seen being taken away in a car driven by Deepak?

      Are you sure that NO ONE from the ALE was told about Mr. Lilly’s call and the fact that Joran, Deepak and Satish were the last men to be seen taking Natalee away in their car?

      Think about that for a moment, Mr. Croes.
      Think long and hard about whether or not NO ONE from the ALE was told about Natalee being taken away by Joran, Deepak and Satish.

      Perhaps Mr. DeVries can ask Mr. Croes how Mr. Croes could claim his government behaved responsibly since according to his own Visibility Team they never forwarded Mr. Lilly’s cries for help to their own polis.




      Are you sure, Mr. Croes? Are you sure that NO ONE from your ALE was notified of Mr. Lilly’s report to your Visibility team of Natalee being kidnapped?

      Instead, a very interesting thing happened, and maybe Mr. DeVries can be the hero who finally gets to the bottom of helping provide an explanation as to HOW this next interesting event took place next.

      The visibility team gets the report that an American tourist is missing. In fact, there are eye witnesses who know the identity of the men who take this American child away in a car they have used to remove her from her friends.

      Yet, the visibility team claims that they make no notification to their own polis of the report by Mr. Lilly that this child is now missing after being seen as taken away in a car driven by three locals from Aruba.
      The VT claims to not inform polis of this report of a missing child.

      No polis show up following Lilly’s report to the VT that Natalee is missing.
      The visibility team claims that they never forwarded Mr. Lilly’s pleas for help to the polis…and…oh, what’s this?


      Paulus holds a meeting with Deepak, Joran and Satish …and…who else was there at the meeting by the pool?

      And what do they discuss?

      They all plot and plan together what lies they will tell to the polis about what they did to Natalee.

      They invent the security guards lie, a lie about a security guard that doesn’t exist and can’t be be seen on any security cameras/ or any surveillance tapes at the Holiday Inn, where Joran had pin-pointed his “drop off” location as right in front of the lobby, and where he and Deepak agreed that they saw Natalee walking inside the lobby where she was approached by a security guard…
      (the FAKE guard who didn’t exist, the guard they made up as a lie to tell polis, along with their other lies: that they had “dropped her off at the Holiday Inn”, and all the lies about the security guard and what the FAKE guard wore and carried in his hand.)

      So Paul Lilly immediately contacts the Visbility Team as he becomes aware that Natalee is missing.
      Lilly proceeds to inform the Visibility Team that an American child is missing, (KIDNAPPED IN ARUBA), and the Visibility team’s response is that they never forwarded this information to Aruba’s own polis.

      And what happens next is: Paulus is holding meetings with Joran, Deepak and Satish and ….? ..who else?…to discuss LIES to tell the polis about their involvement with what they did to Natalee Holloway, the victim who is now missing.

      There’s a mystery for Mr. DeVries to pursue with Rudy, the driver and inventor of the Visibility Team.

      Can you connect the dots, Mr. DeVries? Can you explain how we jump from NO ACTION by the VT, NO ACTION BY POLIS, to..Paulus holding meetings to invent lies to tell the polis?

      The Visibility Team gets contacted by Mr. Lilly, but then the Visibility Team claims that they never told Polis about Mr. Lilly’s report that an American child was missing – despite the fact that eye witnesses all knew WHO the last three men were who were seen taking this child away in their vehicle.

      Mr. De Vries, perhaps you can help us with this other question as well: When an American child is targeted for being drugged and kidnapped in Aruba, and she is seen being led away in a car by three local men, is it a responsible thing to misrepresent the victim’s truth?

      More specifically, is it a responsible thing to characterize a victim as “going with” three men and “getting into their car”, when those who take her away in their car are part of an investigation to discern whether this child was DRUGGED?

      Does a person have any capacity to choose to “go with” three strangers, when the victim was unknowingly slipped a drug?

      If an American tourist is the victim of a drug rape ring operating in Aruba that specifically targets a young American tourist, then how could a drugged targeted victim have any capacity to choose to leave “with” anyone if they have been drugged?

      If we were to drug you, Mr. DeVries and then take you to a bank robbery, should we characterize you as going “with” us?
      Should we characterize you as a willing participant, Mr. DeVries?
      Should we call to question your good character, when the truth is that we drugged you?

      Is this some sinister method by the corrupt ALE and criminals who murdered Natalee to blame the victim, instead of holding responsible the heinous criminals who targeted this young American girl, a TOURIST on the island of Aruba?

      Please explain this, Mr. DeVries: What kind of men in Aruba would gang up together on a young defenseless girl, render her helpless by drugging her, proceed to beat her, and gang rape her and then, for their convenience, murder her and desecrate her body so that they can take care of themeselves and hide this child’s tortured body from her family? What kind of men in Aruba would go along with such criminal, barbaric conduct, Mr. DeVries?

      Is this Aruba’s version of “hospitality”, or is it Paulus’ version of “I will do anything for my son”?

      Tell us, Mr. DeVries: Is it not at least interesting to you that following Mr. Lilly’s report to the VT that a young American tourist child was missing, that the very next thing to “not” happen (according to Mr. Croes and his very “responsible government”) is that the very governance body for the “protection of tourists” ( the VT) that is informed and given a report of an American tourist child as being missing, decides to take NO ACTION at all.

      In fact, this governance body (VT) instituted for the “protection of tourists” decides NOT to pick up the phone and call the ALE Polis concerning the fact that an American child is missing.

      Better yet, Mr. De Vries, perhaps Mr. Croes can explain WHY the need for a VISIBILITY TEAM that takes NO ACTION when an American tourist is reported to them as MISSING, particularly when Aruba claims that crime is so low?

      If crime is so low, then why does Aruba need a Visibility Team that takes no action at all when a report is made that an American child is missing?

      Don’t you find that odd, Mr. DeVries?
      Don’t you find it odd that the VT claims that no follow up action was taken on Mr. Lilly’s report of a missing American child, and the next thing we know is that Paulus is holding meetings by his pool, with the last three men seen taking that missing child, Natalee Holloway away in their car in order for all of them to make up lies together that they plot to tell polis concerning this missing child?

      What innocent men do you know who behave like that, Mr. DeVries?

      Isn’t it rather strange that Paulus needed to hold meetings with these men who were last seen taking the missing victim away in their car, in order for these men to coordinate the lies they plotted to tell polis?

      What innocent men do you know of, Mr. DeVries who need to plot together the lies they will tell to polis about a missing American tourist, who is a child whom they claim they “dropped off at her hotel in front of the lobby entrance”? What innocent men do you know of who need to make up lies to tell polis concerning their involvement over a missing child whom they claim they saw walked into the lobby and whom they claim was approached by a “security guard”?

      Who was the liason to the ALE from the Visibility Team on May 30, 2005, Mr. DeVries?

      Is Mr. Croes certain that NO ONE was informed in the ALE that Natalee was “missing” ?

      Better yet, Mr. DeVries, perhaps the former commissioner, Mr. Van der Straaten knows who the liason was for the visibility team to the ALE polis on May 30, 2005 and whether he, Van der Straaten, knows of any phone calls being made on that day to Paulus van der Sloot?

    70. sirensong on November 21st, 2006 3:37 am

      LOL,Carpethat waspriceless!! I have always thought Rudy was the oddest, ugliest guy I’ve seen. You hit the nail on the head-that is exactly who he looks like!! Kinda scary looking!!

      Bob! Congrats for seeing Aruba for the dump it has become, and standing up against anyone who would talk like that about Natalee and her family. God Bless,

    71. Richard on November 21st, 2006 6:04 am

      Thanks for the favorable comments, but if we’re going to take this seriously (this idea, I mean; we all take Natalee’s case seriously!), it needs a lot more thought.

      Are there prospects that it could blow up in our faces and backfire … that it would give Aruba a face-saving way out: “See how those foreigners are trying to intervene in our politics!” That sort of crap goes over everywhere.

      But we have to do SOMETHING beyond just post our opinions.

      Bob (#59), please enlarge upon these “incidents” to which you refer. And most certainly … what were you told about the girls (Arubans or foreigners?) reportedly taken to Venezuela on a one-way trip? I’ve always thought that this might very well have happened to Natalee.

      Never forget Amy Bradley!

    72. 10061906 on November 21st, 2006 7:30 am

      In response to #54 and #57
      Based upon what Joran has given in his statements and interviews; this could have been the dialog between Natalee and Joran at C and C’s and why Natalee got into Deepak’s car.

      “Joran, what are you doing here?” “I didn’t think you would show up it’s so late.” “I couldn’t let you go home without apologizing for what happened before.” “I was such an asshole.” “So I couldn’t let you go home thinking how badly I treated you and for what happened on Aruba.” “After all it was your graduation, your celebration. You and your friends where only having fun.” “And my friends tried to interfere with your having fun..” “I don’t want you to have any bad memories from your vacation on Aruba.” ‘Say Joran, it’s really loud on this side, let’s go to the bar on the other side where it is not so noisey.”
      “That’s better.” “So what are you going to do when you get home?”. “I start premed in the fall on a scholarship.” “And You?” “Well I have to pay for my school and I will start in August.” “Let me have your address and I will write to you in the States.” ” I wish you a lot of luck in school.” “Natalee, it’s almost closing time let me buy you a last drink.” “Thank you what is it?” ” It’s what I always drink ’151′.” “it’s good but drink it slowly.” “Joran it’s almost closing time and I don’t feel so good, my legs feel like rubber.” “I’ll tell you what; I’m going back to our hotel; I’ll have my friends grab us a cab.” ” Boy the way they jumped for you, what are they your slaves?” Here we are get in and we will be back to the hotel in a few minutes.”
      Well Joran is this the way it went down? Is that how you got Natalee into Deepak’s cab?
      Deepak; did you stop to tell everyone you guys hit the jackpot?
      Is drugging and kidnapping the 15 years you will serve if Natalee were allowed to live?
      Was this your revenge for the three fights you got into with the MBHS students? Did any of them report you to the police?
      Was this your revenge Geoffrey for your fight with the MBHS students over Natalee on May 27th at C &C”s?
      What was in it for you Michael Dompig and Andreas? Where you two along for the ride?
      We know there were more powerful perps involved than just the three main perps involved and someday we will prove it.

    73. Michelle Says So on November 21st, 2006 8:08 am

      Bob from above—you rule. BOYCOTT ARUBA.

    74. Robots on November 21st, 2006 8:35 am

      keep throwing your moeny away on stupid idiot commercials

      PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR _ _ _ _ _

      you stupid EVIL MORONS

    75. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 12:50 pm

      You got it, Pearl!

      Every American, in fact, every PARENT needs to know how poorly ALE will respond if something happens to their child.

      This is about Natalee and more.

      It is about Aruba’s bad example of how they will respond even if they know the man your daughter was last seen–a man who fabricated stories even before your daughter was reported missing.

      Perhaps we could encourage a newspaper journalist to write an article titled
      “What Aruba’s Mishandling of the Natalee Holloway Case Means to You,” or something along that line.

      Perhaps the editor of a local newspaper or Birmingham paper could be convinced to carry the piece–either written in-house or by one of us.

    76. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 12:53 pm

      #75 correction
      Even if they know the man your daughter was last seen WITH

    77. Melissa on November 21st, 2006 1:24 pm

      I saw someone above reference 15 years in prison for kidnapping. In Aruba, a life sentence is 10 years. An example – A few years back an Arubian shot and killed a teller at the Aruba Bank because she could not get the safe open fast enough. Yes – his sentence 10 years. There are numerous other examples but the sentence is the same. Confirm it with Rudy the Minister of Justice????

    78. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 3:30 pm

      Posted by JR Dutch Attorney US/FOB:

      Victor just posted a very cryptic message at refs…It was posted long enough for 9 people to view it then she quickly deleted it. It said something like this:


      I have just been told the we will be surprised what de Vries was able to uncover in a very short period of time that will shock us. I’m sorry I can’t be more specific, but we will have to wait 5 days to see. It was something I didn’t know, and it is shocking. Will he be brave enough to put it in his show, I think so.

      Then she deleted it.

      (Klaas first brought this to our attention on the inside thread.)

    79. Richard on November 21st, 2006 4:23 pm

      In other words, if this is legitimate information, it will be sprung on us while the public are distracted by the Thanksgiving long weekend. Sounds like a typical Aruban idea, doesn’t it?

    80. Carpe Noctem on November 21st, 2006 4:28 pm

      Hey Rudy, you odoriferous wheelbarrow load…

      We love Natalee, and will not stop taking apart

      that cat box of an island until we find out what

      happened to her! If we have to pull it apart rock by rock…

      Then I guess that’ll be the way it has to be, I guess.


      Dig In, Loser! It’s gonna be awhile.


      “Start your day the RUDY CROES ARUBAN WAY…
      with some cereal and a bowl full of lies!”


    81. Carpe Noctem on November 21st, 2006 4:51 pm

      I sure hope it is something GREAT, JusticeforNatalee…

      the H-T’s are long overdue
      for some good news and justice! -J4N-

    82. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 5:25 pm

      There is more discussion of De Vries on SM lively.

    83. Carpe Noctem on November 21st, 2006 6:50 pm

      ARUBA – Keep that advert money coming!!!

      Spread it far and wide

      We will be happy to take it…

      — and until there is JUSTICE 4 NATALEE — NOT GIVE ANY
      OF IT BACK.

      I’ve said it B4…

      …& I’ll say’er again

      Joran did not have the slightest clue as to who he was effin
      with… when he and the Kalpoes hurt Natalee Ann Holloway!

      We are now gonna teach him the RESPECT and CARING
      that his limp noodle DADDY shoulda whipped in to him
      YEARS AGO!!!

      Even before the reports of mercilessly shooting &
      killing the family dog, and the other rapes that
      never made it in to the Aruban Newspapers.


      BOW DOWN WHEN Mrs. BT rolls through your down, B-O-Y!


      …and give my best to Mr. de Vries!


    84. airgame12 on November 21st, 2006 7:16 pm

      Klass and Red,
      Whats the deal with this supposed new news that is so shocking that DeVries found. Or is this more smoke and mirrors?? Hope yall have a good Thanksgiving! Mike


      SM:   A poster from the Netherlands that goes by the name Victor or Lazlo posted at the Refugee site today.   Victor/Lazlo has been emailing with the people from the De Vries show.   Victor/Lazlo posted today that he/she learned something from the De Vries people that he/she did not know and it was SHOCKING.   Victor/Lazlo has since posted a follow-up saying that the shocking part does not pertain to JK2.   So….who knows?

      Hope you have a great Thanks Giving as well!!   (klaasend)  


    85. Maggie on November 21st, 2006 7:17 pm

      The only way that Paulus sat down, the family JK2 around the pool, and made up the Holiday Inn, security lie was to do it earlier on Monday, before it was even made known Natalee was missing. Joran told that lie early Tuesday morning at 5am. Cops didn’t come to the VDS until around 3am Tuesday morning. They all know what happened to Natalee and where she is. Paulus, Deepak, Satish and Joran all knew Natalee was missing on Monday and sat down to make up an alibi, before it was even known she was missing, the same night someone is on the computer looking up beer, alcohol, drugs and lawyers.

      He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy’s father, they sit and made up the story.

      VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

      JOHN: All of them. They made up…

      VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

      JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

      JOHN: Well, I don’t know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

      C. CROES: And then got up, continued to walk into the “Holiday Inn” hotel.

      VAN SUSTEREN: And is that where he said he last saw her?

      C. CROES: That’s exactly what he said.

      VAN SUSTEREN: It’s about 5 o’clock in the morning on Tuesday, May 31st. She missed her flight on Monday, the 30th, midday.

      C. CROES: Yes.

      VAN SUSTEREN: There’s been absolutely no news, no newspaper cycle, to indicate that Natalee Holloway is missing, right, at that point?

      C. CROES: OK.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So somehow Joran decided to come up with this lie about the “Holiday Inn,” assuming that’s a lie, and I guess that’s pretty much been accepted as a lie?

      C. CROES: All right

    86. IndyDan on November 21st, 2006 9:00 pm

      Geesh, the shocking new news doesn’t pertain to the JK2 who are responsible for the kidnapping, rape and murder of Natalee Holloway. Somehow I’m starting to feel the letdown of yet another promising hope for poor Natalee and her abused family by the Aruban Gov’t. If the DeVries show casts guilt on anyone outside of the VanDerSloots, it will be nothing but conjecture. The VanDerSloots and Kalpoes are soley responsible for the disapearance and death of Natalee.
      Anything other than that is good for exposing the dangerous and criminal ugly side of Aruba that should send up major safety alarms to tourists considering Aruba as a vacation destination.
      Joran VanDerSloot, his perverted father and the slimy Kalpoe brothers all know what they did with Natalee.
      Tourists beware, these predators still hunt grounds you visit.

    87. Richard on November 21st, 2006 10:40 pm

      IndyDan, can I ask how you know that the van der Scums and Kalpoes are SOLELY responsible for … whatever happened to Natalee? How do you know other “Pimps” weren’t involved? Mind you, I’m not saying that they necessarily were … though this is my suspicion … but I don’t see how we can make these statements.

      Undoubtedly, however, at least Joran van der Scum, and probably the Kalpoes, were participants in whatever took place.

    88. JusticeforNatalee on November 21st, 2006 10:58 pm

      To all Arubans who were told that Natalee ran away:

      It is a big fat LIE.

      She had no reason to run away.

      She was looking forward to college and had her calendar marked with events.

      She even bought new sorority dresses.

    89. Maggie on November 21st, 2006 11:19 pm

      I agree Justice, just a way to take the eye off of the suspects. I don’t believe she was taken off the island either. Too many lies, lying before she’s even known missing, looking up lawyers, beer, drugs and alcohol, the coincidences, deepak raped and killed her,Joran raped her, Paulus saying if they have no body, they have no case..No evidence of Natalee around because they were given 9 days to clean the car over and over and the VDS home and no body searches. All the sex talk of Joran’s with Natalee, she hit her head, she was passing out off and on.. All the high price attorneys, one who defended Milosevic. The main suspect has been diagnosed as a sociopath..with a temper. Natalee would never have spoken to them, if she knew the real people they are, not the ones they lied and pretended to be.

    90. Minnesota Dad on November 21st, 2006 11:34 pm


      I am not sure if the pimps were involved. If they were, they were all at Paulus’ homestead and did the deed there.

      Remember the blood soaked mattress.

      Remember that Paulus’ judge friends refused searches of the crime scene.

      Remember that a furniture truck showed up a few weeks after Natalee disappeared (most likely delivering a new mattress).

      Remember that some serious cement work was done on the VDS property.

      Paulus is your perp. If the pimps were there I would be surprised. Paulus is your man.

      Remember that judges (Paulus’ black robed buddies) took some surprising steps to declare him ‘no longer a suspect’ and reward him money. These two steps make if virtually impossible under Dutch Law to bring him back in. Almost like ‘Double Jeopardy’ under US laws.

      The only way to peel this onion is to have all judgements made to protect Paulus stripped/VOIDED as there was clear conflict of interest with the judge, a buddy of Paulus’, making these rulings.

      Where are the Dutch and why aren’t they doing this???? Can you say cover-up??? Come on Dutchies….we are waiting. md

    91. nychic on November 22nd, 2006 12:57 am

      #61 & #63

      I have emailed both the Discovery Channel and
      the History Channel
      about this new tv commercial promoting Aruba !

      I let them know that it makes me sick every time
      I see it and that I will always change the channel-
      Also that it is a slap in the face to the
      families of Natalee Holloway – why not feature a
      show about the corruption of the Polis & Gov’t In Aruba
      and the horrible treatment of Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway with respect to finding their daughter -

    92. Libby on November 22nd, 2006 11:01 am

      I agree with Richard (79). It wouldn’t surprise me if this new “shocking information” comes to light during the Thanksgiving holiday while most people are distracted. That is the way they handle things in Aruba. Screw you over when your back is turned. The new shocking information will probably be that the family dog raped and murdered Natalee and that is why canine blood was found on the mattress. I mean…the guy found in the cave some how managed to cut off his own body parts and set himself on fire.

    93. Minnesota Dad on November 22nd, 2006 1:13 pm


      The shocking part is that Paulus is your perp!

      The shocking part is that members of ALE, the government, and the judiciary assisted in covering up and getting Paulus ‘cleared’ from the case.

      The shocking part is that the ALE, government and judiciary refused to search the premises where the crime took place (Paulus’ home); and ignored, destroyed, or tampered with evidence in order to get Paulus as far away from the case as possible.

      As I have said all along — PAULUS IS YOUR PERP!!!! The problem now is that bringing him down brings down half of the government, law enforcement, and the judiciary on Crime Island.

      I know how cover-ups work first hand. I have called this vocally on boards a cover-up the day that the black guys were arrested but the son of a judge was the last to be seen with the victim. Everything that Aruba has done to protect and insulate Paulus has followed the ‘Cover Up Handbook For Dummies’ recipe. My interest in following this case from day one has not been because a beautiful girl disappeared — it was because I was seeing a cover-up being set up and having seen one first hand in Minnesota it angered me to no end to see it being done in Aruba on a much more serious matter than my family had to deal with – The rape and murder of an American citizen in Aruba.

      Its time. DeVries needs to put Paulus down for the count. He is your perp….and a lot of people are going to lose their jobs and be jailed for aiding and abetting this criminal by abusing judicial and investigative processes.

      This is your shocking material…if DeVries has the guts to bring it forward.

      Rot Aruba….Rot… have brought this on your people and it is time. Bring Paulus in. md

      P.S. Any word on the Dutch Investigators VOIDING the judgements made to protect and insulate Paulus from this case…judgements made by black robed buddies with clear CONFLICT OF INTEREST??? Come on Dutchies…do you have no integrity??? You are just part of this whole scheme to play this out to 2 years so that it can be part of the ‘cold case’ garbage can file. I am not buying your sincerity to get this case solved based on your not taking the appropriate actions to bring Paulus back into this case.

    94. Roy on November 22nd, 2006 1:21 pm

      1906…Nobody and I mean nobody can put themselves in others shoes like yourself…#72 is as close to anything believeable that I’ve heard.
      #87 Good Post…Indy may be right in that those three are directly responsible for what happened that night but the roles of the so-called pimps cannot be ignored and tossed aside for convenience. IE…Guido (Heavy Battery) WTF was Holland trying to do with that arrest and that specific charge.. In the end it may have just been one of those herrings like Koens supposed sleep-over with Joran on the night of Natalee’s abduction….A simple little ruse to give Joran an alibi that failed the test….then when that kerplunked, the “out to sea” story via Koen to immerse a little pimpster who knew too much but was of little consequence to what happened to Natalee…..Aruba is covering up a vicious crime with Hollands assistance and it may be as simple as making s*** up about most (not all) of these little jerk-offs to keep their mouths shut… FWIW, Joran knows but he’s not telling so **** him.
      MD….Our paths took diff’t directions a long time back but have given your synopsis some thought…. IF Natalee was alive after the first night and did indeed spend a good portion of her first day in the VDS home/bed, I can easily picture Posner giving the order to get rid of her.. which would then spotlight Paulus. At that point, no one in Aruba would touch that girl, except Paulus, the one who cough//cough// would do anything to protect his son… Protect him from who…himself, not….the HT’s….not, Posner & Co..ding ding ding. In this capacity, I can accept the majority of your views….just not the “Paulus targeted Natalee” version….I may later but I read the casino picture differently than I once did…..
      Luego Monkeys

    95. Minnesota Dad on November 22nd, 2006 2:49 pm


      Perhaps between our two heads we got this figured out….I am not a believer in the pimps or J2K as your ultimate murderers here. Accomplices – absolutely. Ending her life – Paulus.

      It all shows in the conduct of Paulus and ALE, government officials, and judicial officials.

      If it was J2K, they would have hung and been expendable. Minor kids who did some bad things. Better to string them up and take the hit.

      I don’t know if I can fully buy into the Posner stuff…but when looking at the ‘power structure’ in Aruba — your thoughts here may be right in line. Paulus is almost as expendable as J2K. A loser judge wannabe with no known ‘leverage’ over others.

      I do believe she was alive but in tough shape the following morning and she was at Paulus and Anita’s home. It would fit that someone ordered them to kill her and dispose of her when you look at some of the things that have been stated to date:

      “I am just looking out for my son” Paulus
      “Those who own me own you too” (or something like that — Joran to the 2 Kalpoes)
      “This never would have happened if you were home” Joran to Anita
      “No corpse – no crime” Paulus to J2K

      Paulus running down the street with the coat over his head as if he was a guilty party – and, Paulus’ interview where he clearly was having some emotional issues going on in his head.

      It appears that Paulus received the ‘payoff’ for taking care of someone’s problem in the way that the court system insulated and protected him from further focus in this case.

      The professionalism of the cover-up as well as the assistance/complicity by the courts and ALE in ignoring, tampering and destroying evidence does point to something more sinister than (easily expendable) a loser judge wannabe or three punk kids.

      In the end- Paulus is your perp – whether he did it on his own, or whether he was ordered by Posner or someone else. The crime took place in his home, in his bedroom, on the mattress. The question is – what would be so sinister that Posner would order the girl ‘disappeared’ and that everyone in Aruba would be so petrified as to assist in covering up and getting Paulus out of the way??? md

    96. IndyDan on November 22nd, 2006 8:05 pm

      Richard – Could others be involved, absolutely, let me put it another way, if the VanDerSloots never existed, Natalee would be home with her family for Thanksgiving. You know the facts as well as anyone regarding this crime. J2K drugged and kidnapped Natalee and they know what happened to her. Roy said what I was saying better than I said it, those three are directly responsible for what happened that night.
      And MinnDad – I don’t disagree with your opinion. I just think the simplest explanation is the way it went down. They drugged Natalee to have sex with her, she OD’d on the drug and PVDS cleaned up the mess. But I do agree the way the gov’t went out of their way to insulate the sweaty one does lend heavy credence to your theory.

    97. IndyDan on November 22nd, 2006 10:17 pm

      MinnDad- Paulus running down the street with his coat over his head and the interview where he sweated like a lawn sprinkler talks volumes to his involvement.

    98. molly on November 23rd, 2006 12:51 am

      “lawn sprinkler” LOL, that’s hilarious.

      Paulus is your perp..o/o/o/Paulus is your perp..o/o/o/Paulus is your perp…o/o/o/

      o/=musical notes

      molly (in Houston)

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