RSSInterview With Arlene Ellis-Schipper and Beth Holloways Twitty’s Reaction
From Fox News Big Story Sunday Sept 18 (Hat Tip: SMS)
Reporter: Supposedly now, there is this audio tape with Deepak Kalpoe supposedly admitting that he, his brother and Joran had sex with NH the night she disappeared. Let me ask you if you had the person who made the
recording willing to testify as to how he made it, and how the conversation went down, would that be admissible in Aruban court?
Arlene: Well first of all yes, that would be admissible but, what you need to get this in court is real evidence. So far, we have seen a lot of not true things. We need the facts in this case. The tape that we heard was not enough evidence in my opinion to constitute a criminal offense there has been a lot of reporting in this case based on innuendo. For instance, the release during the hurricane to sweep things under the rug. Everything in this case until now in my opinion has been done according to the law so we need to stick to the facts.
Reporter: You have Joran supposedly confessing that Natalee was fading in and out of consciousness the night she disappeared. Now another one of the would be suspects saying all three had sex with her. That at least suggests there was non consensual sex with Natalee and one or more of these boys. Couldn’t you at least see this turning into a sex crime charge?
Arlene: Well, potentially yes but again, we need to look at facts whether the evidence, or so called evidence is enough. First of all, those declarations need to be signed by the suspects .You need sustaining evidence to make a case. Like in every civilized country, there is a benchmark of the amount of evidence that the prosecutor needs to show the judge to make it a case. As of now, it hasn’t been done.
The interview with Arlene Ellis-Schiffer although technically legally correct and that is what her job is to provide legal analysis does show and highlight the frustration level of gaining evidence. It is rather troubling when one has a tape and records of admissions of potential crimes but that is not enough as declarations then need be signed by the suspects. The following is Beth’s reaction to the interview.
Reporter: Arlene says she doesn’t believe the tape is sufficient evidence for a sex crime charge to result. Are you hearing something different from the prosecutor?
Beth: What I am hearing is that it is not clear. What I am hearing is that it is clear, crystal clear. We have a taped confession of a gang rape. Deepak admitting that they all had sex with Natalee. Joran’s signed declaration saying how she is falling asleep, awake, coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly. If that is not enough crystal clear glaring evidence, I don’t know what more needs to be brought forward.
Not only that we can even go back to a gardener who had destroyed Deepak and Satish’s alibi early on. You have Nadira on tape with two ex FBI agents and I am not sure what more they are looking for when it is staring them in the face I don’t know what more needs to be brought forward.
Reporter: It may not be a perfect case, but it seems they are developing some pretty darn good evidence. Deepak Kalpoe allegedly made statements to whom?
Beth: The man he was speaking with was Jamie Skeeters, thirty eight year commander in chief. Deepak was advised that he was being recorded. He was well aware of it
Reporter: How did he get Deepak to talk to him, what did he tell him?
Beth: I don’t know, I would love for you to interview Jamie, he could of course tell us how this all came about. It is very credible, and it is glaring evidence
Reporter: You have heard the tape, Beth?
Beth: Oh yes, I have heard it many times
Reporter: On it of course Deepak supposedly admits to having sex with Natalee and says that his brother and Joran did as well that night. He makes very derogatory comments about her and refers to her as a slut. What is your reaction to hearing this kid talk about Natalee that way so callously?
Beth: Well, I think what Dr. Phil said sums it up beautifully. I think that all three of them including the father are sociopaths. I think it is just more evident to the world. In Aruba they need to realize that the world has been keeping up with the details of this investigation. I think that all the facts are coming through loud and clear that we do have evidence and it should warrant the rearrest of all of these suspects.
Reporter: The day that these three were released, I understand that actually some evidence came out that day that the three stories were shifting again. They were pointing the finger at each other, instead of denying the crime all together.
Beth: I am so glad you asked me that. Sept 1st at 1pm I received a phone call from my attorney, and from the prosecuting attorney information was coming out of those interrogations. On sept 1st, these young men had divided. They were not denying a crime anymore. The interrogations were unfolding, things were really moving along
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How much clearer does this have to be. You have one suspect who admits to this crime on National tv show and along with his mother blowing his hole story by the comments she made. you have suspects pointing the finger at eachother and Aruban officials need more evidence. This was an admission of guilt. As far as Im concerned this just shows the callusness and inhumanity against women and against justice for women by aruban officials and judges. Aruban females should be very frightened and should rally to get these blind deaf and callus oficials and judges off the bench, You need fine moralistic people to protect you on that island and thruout the netherlands. Mothers be afraid, be very afraid that the same could happen to your daughters. Or maybe you already are, since the crime stats are probably not reported correctly. Seems like women there are frightened to report those types of crimes because the judges and officials always claim not enough evidence…Please……..how ignorant do you really think people are around the world that we would believe that no crime occured, that there is not enough evidence…Yeah right..not
so unless they SIGN the confession it is not legal?…no-wonder he didnt feel too scared to say it…Do these people believe in a higher power?…I was gonna say I am shocked but I really am not we have to remember this is not the USA at least we have some morals in our laws.These people absolutly show not remorse or morals..WOW I dont know what to think anymore…My prayers are with the family
I just can’t believe that nothing is happening. They have a recording tape of Depak stating that they all had sex with her which makes it a gang rape, even declaring that “it was easy” + Beth has documents stating the Jordan has sex with Natalee at his house while she was comin in and out of consecious. If this is not enough evidence for them to be rearrested and to start a case then i dont know what will happen. I believe this is good evidence and something should be done right away. Let;s hope with this evidence they will be rearrested and we find out what really happend to our Natlaee….Anyone who says this isnt enough evidence to bring the case back is not normal. I hope we get answers soon and Natalee comes back alive.
I turn my television set off, and walk away to my computer. Greta was just on, on Fox, and like some obscene Deja vu, there was Beth Holloway Twitty again, being interviewed by her. I had turned my TV set off in disgust. I will not watch the Fox news channel again!
For three months this woman had been constantly on our television screens wailing about the disappearance of her daughter Natalee in Aruba, until Hurricane Katrina hit, and the media’s attention was shifted to the monumental tragedy.
Now she was back again, with nothing new to add to the scant evidence already known about the case. Once more she was relying on hashing, and rehashing the same old allegations, rumors, and innuendoes as she has already done all throughout the last three months.
The lurid story had appealed to the banality of the masses, and much uncalled for coverage had inordinately been wasted on covering every nuance of the sordid melodrama. Cameras followed this deranged woman in Aruba as if the loss of her daughter was nothing but a Reality Show.
Meanwhile other children were gone missing, terrorists bombed the London Underground, thousands perished in floods in India, and the daily slaughter in Iraq continued, but the whole focus of an entire Nation was being squandered on this one girl, (EDIT).
Worst, those enthralled by the story were increasingly becoming fanatical, fueled by the misinformation, misrepresentation, and outright lies of this vengeful “Banshee,” to the point that for some, it all was turning into a “cult!”
The tiny island that had the misfortune of welcoming the miscreant daughter of this “blight spirit,” was verily overran by multitudes of this woman’s followers, who like a swarm of locusts trampled over the ecology, the economy, and the civil order of the place, in total arrogant disregard for the impact of their actions on the lives of the population!
The authorities of the island did everything in their power to assist this woman. Inordinate amounts of monies were wasted pursuing every ephemeral lead however unlikely, to the point of almost bankrupting the Island Nation.
The people of the island, in an exemplary show of hospitality, tolerance, and patience, opened their arms, to this very same “ingrate” whose negative statements, defamations, and calls for boycotts, were destroying their tourism and livelihood, while she was given complimentary accommodations in the Islands most prestigious Hotel in a “Suite” with the amenities, and a dining room, fit to host Heads of States, or the Kings, and Queens of Europe!
Every inch of the island was scoured, and literally turned upside down, and yet, no further corroborating evidence that a crime had been committed had come to light, much less to implicate anyone as the perpetrator. However, the last three boys who had the misfortune of having been the last to be seen with this girl, were arrested, and rearrested, subjected to intensive interrogations, and held; in the case of one young man, imprisoned for three months; while Aruban authorities exhausted every possible avenue of inquiry. But this, of course, was not enough to satisfy the “lust for blood” of Beth Holloway Twitty and her followers!
When in the face of insufficient evidence to keep holding them, Aruban authorities were forced to release the young men in question, those fanatics who had made of this woman, and the disappearance of her sluttish daughter a “cult,” immediately proceeded to openly call for the “lynching,” and “murder” of these young men, in a fashion that was not only patently immoral, but contrary to the very principles of “Innocent until proven guilty,” “Equal protection under the law,” “The reign of Law in a Democracy,” and all the other paradigms that we have so often flaunted as a Nation in the face of other countries, and other cultures, in our arrogance!
Then the unthinkable happened, and Katrina hit.
One of Americas oldest cities laid in devastation. Hundreds died or were dying with no assistance in sight, their corpses laying on the side of our Interstate Highways, floating in the flood waters, or huddled by the walls of the Super Dome. Many lost their loved ones, half a million people lost everything: their homes, their jobs, their belongings, their photos and mementos, the pictures of their dead parents and forebears never to be recovered, and the best that Beth Holloway Twitty could utter about this calamity, in her inimitable egocentric way, was that it was a “smokescreen”???
I walked to my computer and sat down.
I wished to find a word that could encapsulate all the frustration, indignation, and rage I felt about this woman and her travesty, but in spite of my extensive vocabulary, I simply could not find the words.
I felt disgusted at those in the media who in a sick and perverse way had, in a “symbiotic” manner, exploited Beth’s “family tragedy,” while at the same time she exploited “them” for the unwarranted media attention she did not deserve, basking in the “limelight!”
No ratings could justify the sheer injustice that this woman’s loss; of which she was not devoid of responsibility, as her lack of parental discretion in allowing her daughter to go unsupervised into a “Girls Gone Wild” environment fraught with alcohol, drugs, and plentiful gonads, as well as her daughter’s lack of judgment in refusing to go back with her classmates to her Hotel, but rather to go off with three strange males into the night which sealed her fate; presents to those mothers who during the same period of time in which Natalee has been missing had their sons, and daughters killed in Iraq!
Is the pain of their loss any less intense than Beths? Shouldn’t Greta be interviewing some of the mothers of these Heroes who have died for us, and see in what way, we as a Nation may assuage their pain, instead of interviewing Beth to perpetuate her never-ending, sick, melodrama?
Those courageous mothers whose children have died in Iraq, the parents of all those missing that the media chooses to ignore because they are not blonde and pretty enough, the parents of the thousands of children that die in this country every day, are the lives of their children any less precious than Natalee’s?
In my opinion the media’s obsession with Natalee Holloway for no greater altruistic motives than “ratings,” is a slap in the face to all these other parents, to the victims of Katrina, and to the countless children around the world living and dying in poverty, neglect, and abuse!
Sitting in front of my computer I goggle. I try to find some way of describing “this woman,” not to others, but to myself.
I look through dictionary.com, and browse through the thesaurus.
I see an entry: “XXXXX.” There are four entries found to define it. I read through them all, and find one that seems to describe the way I perceive Beth Holloway Twitty. It reads: ” a. A woman considered to be spiteful, or overbearing.”
That certainly defines Beth. As First Amendment framer James Madison once said, “A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people.” Knowing all there is to know about Natalee and Beth, will hardly contribute to maintaining our freedom!
I get up, and walk away from my computer. I browse at the books on my shelf, and pick one up by Loren Eiseley, a forgotten man.
I sit down to read, and immerse myself once again in the past, while Beth, Greta and the media engage in another three month cycle of relentless Beth / Natalee coverage at the expense of more urgent impacting developments and issues been ignored in the news.
It will all eventually undermine, and destroy our future, and the Freedom of our children as Madison said. Perhaps we all will be lulled watching reruns of Beth’s interviews on Court TV with Nancy Grace, the day that our lack of vigilance results in the North Koreans nuking Anchorage, or Seattle, but then, Beth must first have her way!
Well I do not know about Deepak – however what is being said – the documents that Joran was to have signed – were not signed – I really wish Beth would make sure of what she is saying. If this is really all true then the police will rearrest.
What evidence do the courts expect to have when the criminals murder and dispose of the victim-other then confessions?
Arlene: Well first of all yes, that would be admissible but…
Arlene: Well, potentially yes but again,
…so we need to stick to the facts.
GEE! what more facts does this lady need? And what does the FACT that Beth remarked that the case was swept under the rug because of the Katrina storm has to do with the discussion?
Excuses, Excuses, cover ups, and more cover ups and more excuses, Sorry Ms. Arlene, you are just one more of them! None of you will ever admit the foul play in this case. Where is Natalee? Do you consider a FACT that she is missing for almost four months now?
HarryTho Natalee Holloway Update and Commentary
the Aruban investigative effort into Natalee Holloway’s disappearance is facing either a large, on-island conspiracy or international, sex-slave, crime ring. In either case, the investigators have their hands full.
All you have to do is listen to Arlene to figure out they are never going to prosecute anyone for this crime. They never intended to either. The confessions were made to the police. Deepak is on tape. You cannot make criminals sign anything. You have to have a signature to make it a fact? How stupid is that!
Fed up you’re a scary guy!! You used to be Althor! You said this already a few days ago!! Remember, you have made reference to yourself at least 25 times. I look up in my Webster’s Dictionary (all by myself) under narcissus that’s you!.. Remeber the definition????? You seem to be bouncing back & forth from blog to blog looking for attention. Here it is! Cut the rattling on about yourself to one to 3 sentences.
To Fed Up:
Knowledge without discernment is foolishness, and you seem to fit that definition well. You are pompous, uncompassionate and obviously very impressed with yourself, though the rest of us are left wondering why. You must be so esoteric! Actually, you are full of yourself, and full of something else.. in a word – you stink!
Per Arlene…. “Like in every civilized country”… Let me tell you Arlene… Aruba is FAR FROM CIVILIZED. Try CORRUPT Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fed up, as I read your tirade I thought of many things I could say to you but after reflection I have decided not to say what i could have. Unfortunately, there are many tragedies in the world. The war in Iraq, Katrina, and missing and abused children are just a few of these. But all are tragedies just as the disappearance of Natalee is also. In all of the above mentioned, innocent, wonderful people have suffered and even died. They all have families who love them. Beth has done what she has because she loves her daughter and wants her back. For you to refer to her as a bitch and then to say that the world would have been better off if Natalee hadn’t been born glaringly shows your problems, be them emotional or mental. I personally wish that we could have major publicity on every missing person and bring them all home. You downgrade Beth and call Natalee a slut. Let me ask you this. Do you know them? No, you don’t. But you see, I do know what type of person Natalee is. I know that the person you portray her to be is totally incorrect. You express sympathy for the victims of Katrina and their familes as well as the soldiers in Iraq and their families but why not for Natalee and her family? All life is precious. Your nastiness where Natalee and her family is concerned negates any sympathy you express for other victims of crimes and natural disasters. Be careful how you judge people because sometimes God gets our attention and brings us back from our bad attitudes in harsh ways. I only hope that you never have to experience the loss of a child. If you ever did I would like to see you say “Well, it’s ok. We don’t have to find her or bring the people to justice who did this.” I would hope that you would do everything in your power to find him or her. I hope you would use the media and put pressure on anyone who could help or might know something. I know that is what I would do if I could. If you are going to try to express love and sympathy for the people of the world you must include everybody or your words have no meaning.
It’s terrible what happened to Natalee, but a lot of innocent people have been killed or missing and they haven’t received the coverage this story has. I feel compelled to comment since I saw the mother on local TV recently.
Why hasn’t anyone questioned the parents judgement in letting their daughter go on a trip to Aruba? How many of you were allowed to go to another country to party? I know this may seem cold, but the “journalists” have a duty to at least ask the question.
Natalee was drinking in Aruba even though it is illegal in the US for someone her age to drink. A drunk girl doesn’t deserve to die, but if she is niave enough to do this and not think trouble may happen, then I refer to my first point about parent’s judgement.
Where were the chaperones? How come they are getting off scott free on this one? The journalists should be hammering them with questions. The mere fact she was allowed to seperate herself from the group makes the chaperones partly responsible.
Why didn’t her friends stop her? Girlfriends will stop a girl from giving her phone number to a guy they don’t like. Why didn’t they stop her? My God, girls go to the bathroom in pairs, but they let her leave with three strange guys?
It’s an awful story, but the one sided look at this case is doing the public a disservice. Based on what I’ve seen, this case will never be solved. At least the media can help warn other girls from making the same mistake.
The person who hides behind the name –
Fed Up
is a VERY, SICK puppy! Urgently needs psychotherapy!
scaredmonkeys.com, you need to pull his or her post!!
– Not mine!
Thank you .
fed up,
Can you by chance send me a dictionary /and, or thesaurus? I need to check some definitions, and spelling..ie “B”.
You are way to winded, and, evidently, wasting a lot of people’s time
Why is it that if one doesnt agree with teh absurd
way that Beth is going about this and agrees more with the
way that Dave goes about this it seems to bother people who post on
scared monkeys?
Dr Phil is not exactly Columbo you know
Maybe Scared Monkeys should do a little investigating into the VAST differences between Beths attitude and Daves. Beth is 100% out of control and her way of doing things is going to come back and bit her mark my words.
This crime can be solved in Alabama….All yopu have to do is listen to her and its quite obvious the truth from Alabama is being covered up.
FED UP–
You say you were at a loss for words, then you went on and on and on.
You are a very scarey person; I hope I don’t know you.
Your own rantings detail the severe and widespread ramifications of the cover-up and the incestuous relationships among the powers-that-be on the island of Aruba.
Too bad that the islanders who can least afford the economic hit are most affected by Natalee’s ABDUCTION . They need to vote in new talent that is honest to represent them better.
You do have a great vocabulary. Now, how about putting your thesaursus aside for a few philosophy books? FORM without content is just that, empty. Your analogies are not parallel; you compare apples and oranges. Also, you ‘kitchen sink’ to the point of absurdity.
Beyond that, I must have missed where you were qualified to judge a grieving mother. Beth is not a banshee nor a blight spirit !! AND HOW DARE YOU CALL NATALEE, THE VICTIM OF A CRIME, A MISCREANT!!! I guess I have to say, if you DO represent the true feelings of many in Aruba, the current situation is no mystery….and no fault but that of people who think like you do!
Please re-read CASA, ,LIZ , PAT, SHELLY and TAZMAN above.
FEDUP is obviously feeding his ego!
Now I am fedup!
How can anyone by anti-Beth? That’s the scary part. Imagine if it was your child. Those who are negative obviously have no children. I admire Beth because if it was my child I would have dealt with the suspects personally. Why don’t these silly Arubans just tell Beth where her daughters body is and this will all go away.
Everyone please watch the cursing. It will be edited.
Please keep away from personal attacks as well.
For those of you who wish to only make negative comments regarding this matter I would have thought one comment would suffice and then one would leave. I am trying to understand the logic behind complaining about a subject matter and its coverage and then just staying on a blog that is covering the story that you most seem to hate. That is the great thing about the internet, one can find info, blogs, etc on all the topics that one wishes to.
However, all please refrain from cursing. I think the topic can be debated without it.
Fed Up:
Just as you have reached the end of your rope and felt the need to lash out at Natalee, an innocent person who suffered at the hands of others. You defend an island, that you feel has been victimized.
Beth reached that rope as well, searching for answers and for justice for her daughter.
Neither of you in my opinion, is right, in punishing those who ARE innocent whether by words or by deeds.
But when you reach the end of the rope, what options are left?
just my opinion though. Feel free to flame away.
There needs to be and I encourage a major BOYCOTT of Aruba by all Americans & all the Cruise Ship Companies for all of the CORRUPTION & COVER-UP that is taking place.
There is obvious evidence of a gang rape that took place against Natalee, but because
they choose to Cover it up makes the Corruption even more obvious.
My hats off and Condolescences to Beth, Jug, Dave , Linda, Paul and the rest of the family for standing up to Aruba. I wish them well & peace.
If it was my daughter I would do the same.
Fed-Up is a complete idiot who lacks respect and needs to be banned.
First I am not Fedup. I am another person that is tired of the hype this case is getting. I saw the mom on local Chicago TV and it was a pure waste of time. What can anyone in Chicago do to solve this case? This case has become a sick media obsession.
Face it, the media interest in this case is about ratings and lurid details involving a pretty white girl. Hopefully Katrina will help bring the focus back to more constructive issues.
What’s the matter, FedUp: Can’t get published?
Now picture her there … Now imagine it was your Daughter !!
How far would you go … Change the Channel if you don’t like the programming , I don’t think CSPAN has had one report about it.
Aside from total adoration for Arlene Ellis-Schipper, I understand exactly what this lady is trying to get across. It’s not that she’s saying the tape is “inaudible”…but rather that she’s saying the idea of a “rape” needs more proof than just pieced together snippets of tape mixed with passages from various unsigned statements. While my heart goes out to Beth Holloway-Twitty, I have to remind myself that her piecemeal story of a “gang-rape” won’t fly without a much firmer piece of evidence (i.e. a body with enough left to ID signs of a rape)…
Fedup:
I think what you are missing here is the obvious. Although we all are upset with the aftermath of Katrina, which by-the-way was reported on for 24hrs/7, we cannot change what happened. Beating a dead horse does not bring back life.
The Holloway case, on the other hand, presents an ongoing mystery that is still trying to be solved. That’s why the media is trying to keep public interest, even if it is only for an hour (Greta) in the evening. So please don’t look at this as asigning priority or importance. I know the evidence is old, but that is all they have to keep interest at the moment.
I do have to agree with you that the interest and mounting anxiety levels have hit the roof. We have to understand that although the prosecution does have evidence (a misconception is that the suspects were released for lack of evidence) they were not formally charged yet and for a good reason. The investigation is ongoing. If they were charged at this point in time, you could just hear their lawyers stating “this was a rush to judgement”. When the investigation is over a year or maybe two old and the prosecution has everything that it will get on this case, that will be the time when formal charges will be brought forth. How could this case become very solid? If they found the body right? Look at it from the prosecutions side: if the body turns up in the next 2 years they have a much stronger case, so why rush?
My opinion is that this case will eventually result in charges being laid.
Doc.
FHI, a sure way to have a post deleted is to tell the owners of a site how and what to include in their blog. We have followed this story from day 1 and presented all sides. I hardly think that Dave and Beth want different outcomes.
Red
The replies are pretty funny. You guys must be Bush supporters since no one in your world can have a different opinion.
As for switching the channel, I’m glad Bob Costas finally stood up against the hype. Now if the dopes on Fox can grow up, that would be great. Until there is actual evidence, then this has no reason to be on TV, except for hype.
the “confession” is not a confession. it’s hearsay. it’s what one or more policemen said they heard Joran say. Just as inadmissable in Aruba as it is in the US. That’s why the prosecution can’t use this ‘evidence’, because it’s not evidence. Simple really.
Common Sense – everything on the news is for the ratings. From the appearance of the newspeople, to what they say and how they say it, to the line-up of subjects. Natalee’s story is just one of many subject matters. Its one of many “important” subject matters. Its “News” just like every other subject. Every news station wants to talk about what is “hot” on the list. If you or anyone else is tired of listening about Natalee’s story or any other story, e-mail the news station directly and give them your opinion.
If this happened to my daughter, I would never stop the search. EVER. I would exhaust all options, spend every dime I had. Any decent person that is a parent would. I find it funny in a very sick way that anyone would critisize Beth Holloway for her HEROIC efforts, pushing forward to get the truth. She is brave, savvy, intelligent, resourceful. She is battling against a country that has never dealt with this type of investigation. Aruba is very inexperienced in dealing with a murder coverup. Not there fault, Aruba has never had to deal with it. So when it happened, they botched the investigation. Hmmm, let the accussed go for a week, didn’t search Jorans home for a week? And a judge in training at home coaching the kids on how to get away with it? EVERY ONE OF YOU ARUBAN’S THAT THROWS ANGRY REMARKS AT BETH HOLLOWAY COMES ACROSS AS IGNORANT, STUPID, AND SORRY TO SAY BUT YOU SOUND LIKE SIMPLE ISLAND FOLKS. Arubans, want to fight for your country? Stand up against these three and their families that are hurting the image, and pride of your country. How come I never see postings from a native from Aruba standing up for what’s right? Just think next time before you write anything negative about a mother FIGHTING TO FIND OUT WHAT SOME MONSTERS DID TO HER DAUGHTER. My prediction, they will eventually turn on eachother these three. Joran will never return to ARUBA. He will go on the run. Aruba’s tourist industry will take a huge hit unfortunately. The economy of many good people will suffer for not standing up against three young idiots and their families. And the Kill-poes will go to jail.
Scared Monkeys:
First a comment of thanks for maintaining such a great website, and that so many of us can contribute. If I have offended anyone but the intended target with my personal attack – I appologize. I think you know that the person who has been the focus of so many attacks was way out of line and probably needs anger management counselling or some kind of help. While trying to maintain freedom of speech (without personal attacks) for everyone who uses this resourse, please remember that the comment that precipitated so many personal attacks was indeed a personal attack in its own right. It was the most caustic and unfair thing that I have read anywhere on the net, which directly attacked the victim of this crime and her mother. Why should Beth be further victimized? As a father, and as a person who believes in reasonable consideration of others, I do believe there is a point where freedom of speech runs amuck and someone should stand up and say so. (Now I will probably be the target of the attacks!)
Fed Up, your meaningless excessive prattle is far worse that the media’s obsession with Natalee Holloway.
However Fed up rambled on. He/she are entitled to their own opinion. That is what makes the USA the best country to live in.
Personally, I hope that Beth, Dave & Jug along with their other family members find closure and that it’ll come soon. I do not think that this investigation is done. We haven’t heard anything from the FBI that I know of. There are so many things that haven’t been told to the public. I also think that B&D&J know MORE then they can say at this time. It’s gonna be a waiting game.
Have a great night…
oneyka, you have to understand that Arlene Schipper is a DEFENSE attorney and all DA’s talk like that. They live in some fantasy world where no one is ever guilty of anything unless witnessed by 100 people. Her comments shock me but then again.,.she is a defense attorney.
And to FED UP I say.. Wow, that was the most unbelievably long post I ever read..
Commonsense you have NO common sense and I serioulsy do NOT appreciate you saying that Natalee was drunk. You have NO right to say that!! The only people who “claim” she was drunk are the last 3 boys seen with her. (The same 3 boys that have a reputation on the island of drugging and rape tourist girls.)
WHO said Natalee was drunk? The 3 suspects did.
Acording to her close friends who saw her as she was leaving the bar, Natlee was NOT drunk and just fine and so they saw that she was okay and that she wanted to share a “cab” back to the hotel with this Joran who she thought was staying at the same hotel as her. That is what Joran told her, that he was a tourist staying at the hotel and he offered to take her back to the hotel.
You refuse to see that these 3 boys deceived Natalee (who was NOT drunk) into thinking they were taking her back to her hotel.
They say she was drunk because they drugged her. They say she was drunk because they are trying to set up lies to protect themselves.
According to her friends who saw her as she was leaving with Joran, they said she was NOT drunk.
“NATALEE WAS NOT DRUNK. SHE WAS DRINKING RESPONSIBLY AND SHE SAID SHE WAS FINE AND SHE LOOKED AND SEEMED FINE SO WE LET HER GO WITH JORAN”
This was the statement given to Greta van Susteren the second week of Natalee’s disappearance.
So stop with the “Natalee was drunk” bit. It’s such utter bullshit and you don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t have your facts straight.
sunny71, you posted this same EXACT post in the discussion for the article about Clint van Zandt and Deepak. You probably are Deepak. I’ll repost my response to you since you think you can sneak in the same exact post..duh…
WRONG! It was a confession and signed by 4 Aruban Police officers.
Duh………Stop posting Deepak.
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Sunny71 Says:
September 20th, 2005 at 1:48 pm
the “confession” is not a confession. it’s hearsay. it’s what one or more policemen said they heard Joran say. Just as inadmissable in Aruba as it is in the US. That’s why the prosecution can’t use this ‘evidence’, because it’s not evidence. Simple really.
weren’t all the interrogations of the 3 boys videoed? would 4 policemen sign a document that couldn’t be verified by viewing the videos in question? why couldn’t the original videos of their confessions be just as good in court as a document signed by the defendant when the defense attorney could always say the signature was forged?
i guess i should have been a lawyer, too many questions i don’t have answers to.
these 3 boys can go on tv and confess and tell what happened over and over again they know nothing will happen because there is no body no evidence that is the aruba law ,no one is able to find 1 single real clue to this mystery so it seems to me that the next step was to get a confession on Dr Phil show from Deepak and the upsetting part is that Deepak knew full well that he is toyng with Beth ,Dr Phil ,and made a fool of Jamie Skeeters because Deepak knows the Aruba laws and they cant touch him until solid evedence is brought forward and lets face it these boys know that is not going to happenand , that my friends is the very very sad truth so dont let Deepak make a fool of all of us no more intervies with Deepak because ARUBA ISNT LISTENING
To Mike D FYI
this mystery has already gone away and just in case you did not know its now called a cold case and all this is just intertainment for alot of folks
Cheryl: You are on more than one of these blogs stating facts that are not true. For your information…if you care to stop and listen…even in Aruba…you do not need a body to convict. Your saying you do…doesn’t make it so.
“Aruban officials say a murder conviction is possible without a body, but requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing.”
I hope you honestly thought what you were saying was true. You now know its not true…so please stop saying it ok? If we are going to all talk about this…at least we should be sharing facts we have researched no????
As for saying this mystery has already gone away…well obviously it hasn’t or you and I wouldn’t be adding our feelings and beliefs to this.
As for Fed Up…I’m hoping you are one of the people who come in to stir people up. Not that I think that is a good thing…only that I truly hope you don’t mean what you are saying. My first thought in reading your entry is that…now there’s a man who would be able to justify a rape because the woman obviously “wanted it”. Sorry Fed Up…I don’t mean to be cruel…but saying what you did in your entry…from describing Natalee’s lack of judgment down to it being Beth’s fault for allowing her daughter to come on the holiday…in my opinion leaves you wide open.
If you are really Fed Up with all this news coverage and interest…I assume you won’t be reading this…because you have now taken yourself away from this blog…and that is fine. You have every right to your opinions. But don’t sit there moaning about how everyone spends way too much energy and time listening and talking about this tragedy and then spend your time listening and talking also. Kind of silly don’t you think?