Beth Twitty on Greta Van Susteren


Beth Twitty, Natalee Holloways Mom, said just a minute ago on her meeting with Joran Van Der Sloot:

Van Der Sloot was the most condesending arrogent and somewhat powerful attitude of any 17 year old I have ever seen.

Beth said that she wanted to see my daughter, now. He just threw his head back and hit his chest.

What do you want me to do. What do you want me to do.

Posted June 20, 2005 by
Natalee Holloway | 703 comments

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    703 Responses to “Beth Twitty on Greta Van Susteren”

    1. LizzieD on June 20th, 2005 10:27 pm

      That Poor woman. May she soon find some sort of peace.

    2. Caribbean Lady on June 20th, 2005 10:38 pm

      If it was my daughter I would of decked him, I can just imagine what this woman is going through….its so sad

    3. Peter on June 20th, 2005 10:39 pm

      He ain’t hitting his chest now, is he?

    4. hammer on June 20th, 2005 10:48 pm

      Give her a big steel hammer. tie both of his hands down on a steel table. he has ten chances to answer her questions. that’s what she wants him to do.

    5. Bham on June 20th, 2005 10:48 pm

      That boy doesn’t deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us

    6. Peter on June 20th, 2005 11:12 pm

      Joran baby and his two playmates are going to get theirs. The US of A would go ape-shit if these guys get out. And a light sentence would not be tolerable either.

      Makes me wonder what kind of retribution they can look forward to from the families if they ever are released, say 30 years from now. That would make Natalee 48, which she probably will never be.

      For me, I would make it my mission in life to make sure I could within arms reach of each of them. And no one would ever know – except them.

    7. Neil on June 20th, 2005 11:16 pm

      You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

      Natalee’s mom approach to Joran probably shut down any possibility of anything but a defensive response.

      She was understandably highly emotional state, and the best I can say it, was she probably was throwing a tantrum. Anyone around her who felt accused would likely respond negatively, and that is exactly what Joran and family probably did.

      Too bad the police did not take Joran in right on the spot to interview him without Natalies family present.

      All this hatred and venom is not good.

    8. Bham on June 20th, 2005 11:22 pm

      Neil – Joran hasn’t talked in 3 weeks – i don’t think kissing his butt with kindness is the answer. He’s clearly a spoiled rotten limp XXXX punk. I don’t care if Natalee’s mom spit in his pathetic face – he deserves it. He’s very well coached in not talking. Her reaction won’t impact him either way. You’d have to be human to sympathize with an agonizing mother – this kid isn’t human and doesn’t deserve humane treatment.

    9. Peter on June 20th, 2005 11:34 pm

      The other two guys are in this two. I don’t understand why we don’t know more about them. There mommy and daddy and whatever else they’ve done in their pasts.

    10. Carlito on June 21st, 2005 12:03 am

      What a mess… reading this makes me sad… really… this is sooo abnormal…

      Beth i am praying for you..for every single one of you.

      what ever is going on there it is not right .
      the way that kid is acting is not right.. the way this whole investigation goes is not right.. even now it is clear that they are involved… this should end..
      we all want this to end.. why such a drama why so many mistakes… why is it going this way?

      questions… still no clear answers… what is the matter with these kids!
      they are not kids ..,. they knew damm well what they have done..
      i hope he gets raped… and feels the pain…

    11. Neil on June 21st, 2005 12:44 am


      The incident that made Beth say Joran was cold, etc. took place the early morning after Beth arrived in Aruba, maybe 24 hours after Natalie was last seen at C&C. So it was not a matter of three weeks of kindness.

      I think Beth came on like gangbusters and the possibility of any further rational conversation ended right there. This is what I am referring to and not the three weeks of inadequate police work.

      Mob hangings have more than once resulted in injustice, so we really need to let the justice system take its course, as plodding as it is. Maybe Joran is guilty of something, maybe not. There are many possibilities, and we can only speculate, so I think it is a little early to get out the rope, or to even take glee in imagining that Joran or his pals are suffering prison brutality.

      I feel for Natalee’s family and friends; clearly their suffering is great. Prematurely lashing out serves no function. In time I think that whoever caused Natalee harm will receive what the Dutch legal system thinks is justice.

    12. Bama on June 21st, 2005 12:53 am

      Do you have children? Have they ever been is serious danger?

    13. Neil on June 21st, 2005 1:05 am

      Two daughters, now in their late 30′s, plus four grandchildren 13 thru 3.

      No real serious danger. We live in a small midwestern town, population 1800, and the teenagers cruise town on non school nights as part of the social scene, hanging out at different homes or at the local quick stop parking lot. Both our daughters always came home at an agreed upon time or called for a small extension and we never worried. My younger daughter did not come home once when scheduled, and I did feel panic. By 2:00 am I woke up the local cop to see if he had heard anything, and then started calling my daughters friends. Turns out that my daughter and her friend had fallen asleep watching a movie at her friends house.

    14. Kate on June 21st, 2005 1:35 am

      All I have to say is that as a mother Beth Twitty is in my thoughts. I hope that your little girl is okay. I hope that Joran rots in prison for letting anything bad happen to Natalee, even if he just let her lay there on the beach sleeping as he said, he should have gotten her to her hotel safely. I don’t believe him for one minute. I think that you have him pegged. I hope that you find her safe and alive.

    15. Scott on June 21st, 2005 1:42 am

      As a professor of forensic psychology, i believe this case is unlikely to be solved by the Aruban police. They have obtained no forensic evidence that i am aware of. There is also no body to be found which, in most criminal cases, is the single most important piece of evidence to analyze/profile. Additionally, while an investigation is going on, you never, ever allow anyone related to a victim speak with a suspect. never, ever. With a skilled interrogator, i.e. the US FBI/Quantico contingent… you might still be able to get the truth from one of the three boys. But, the fact that there appears to be no evidence, weekens the position of interrogator considerably. From a purely psychological point of view based on statements made by all three parties (Van Der Sloot and the 2 brothers) that i have read, i would place the highest probability of guilt on J. Van Der Sloot. However, in a court of law, probability and proof are entirely 2 different phenomena.

    16. ironsides on June 21st, 2005 2:00 am

      Mrs. Twitty is a strong person, I trust her instincts about the rat. He is guilty and he is lying to cover up so as to avoid more harsh punishment. It is incredible to me that someone would think that wanting to get to the truth about what happened to their child is equivalent to “mob justice”. The problem is that justice in the Dutch system may mean that the defendants are aquitted and the truth will never be known. How many other “date rapes” have occurred and been ignored by the Aruban authorities? Who would want to hang around to press charges if she survived it? Interesting that all of the perps are sons of “respected” and well-to-do Aruban “businessmen” and judges in waiting. Could the inaction and delay have something to do with that fact?

    17. Peter on June 21st, 2005 2:19 am

      Just heard that an imbecilic Aruban “police officer” said that Natalee’s family needs to be polygraphed in case they are hiding something.

      What pond scum do these creatures come from?? With that attitude, we should realize that it is not our imagination when we perceive that the investigation is proceeding haphazardly.

    18. Peter on June 21st, 2005 2:21 am


    19. Selena on June 21st, 2005 3:59 am

      A mother’s intuition is a powerful thing.

    20. Cerulean on June 21st, 2005 4:09 am

      I don’t think anyone should criticize Natalee’s mother. Being “ladylike” is NOT important right now.

      I question the single interpretation of Joran Van Der Sloot’s behavior as arrogance. It’s possible that he just didn’t know where Natalee was and was reacting to her mother’s anger and insistence. I wasn’t there and I don’t know, I’m just saying that that could have explained his demeanor as well as the other theories.

    21. A Mom ~ on June 21st, 2005 5:16 am

      I may have missed this somewhere, but I am curious as to why the 2 brother’s car haven’t been taken in ~
      In all reports and statements that I’ve seen or heard, it has been said that the 2 brother’s dropped off Joran and Natalee.
      This would leave one to believe that it was their vehicle that was driven, not Joran’s. Accordng to the law there, Joran is not a licensed driver yet.

      This whole thing smacks of a cover-up and stupidity on the part of the Aruban’s investigating this tragedy ~

    22. kandeyingeorgia on June 21st, 2005 5:51 am

      I don’t know how the Holloway’s have made it this far. Pure will and determination. I don’t know that I could have been as restrained with punk a** JVS as she was. Even if he did not have a thing to do with Natalee’s disappearance, his arrogant attitude was uncalled for and it seems as if he almost wanted to taunt her mom. What kid would act like that? That’s what bothers me — his Joe Cool act when the parents drove up — he and the Kalpoe(s) were casually leaning on a car and then he pops off at her like that? It leads me to believe that he was very sure of himself; cocky and not in the least worried about anything.

    23. Julie on June 21st, 2005 6:59 am

      I think that one of two things happened here with there seeing each other she said she was sitting in the car and holding a picture of Natalee and he approached the car and that is when, she said I want my daughter and I want her now, and then JV get’s arrogant and throws his head back and hits his chest and say what do you want me to do, What do you want me to do, this gives me the impression that he was Very sure of himself that what he did will never be known and he will get off scott free because people helped cover it up or He got very agitated and stressed out because he was tired of the questions and being interrogated and he really didn’t know anything. But if I am guessing it would be the first theory I am pretty sure this kid knows something because if you were not gulity then why would you not proclaim your innocence to the victim’s mother any way you could and tell her how sorry you are that this has happened. and what about the other 2 the brothers why has nothing been said about them, especially from there parents the only thing I have heard was on Greta last night when that man that was showing Greta around said that the mother of the 2 brothers was very sad because she thinks her boys are innocent. This is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen, This whole thing is just too much and I hope that they find Natalee and what happened to her soon, those four obviously know something or they wouldn’t be in prison!

    24. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 21st, 2005 7:42 am

      For the 50th time, I will ask: what is up with a reward? If it’s set high enough and no worthy leads emerge, then we know that the only parties involved are the ones already detained.

      It’s human nature: big rewards lead to tips. So again: why isn’t the flush Aruban gov’t and tourist industry ponying up?

    25. DeeDee on June 21st, 2005 8:02 am

      Pride, for the Van der Sloots, goes before their destruction. Regardless of where this goes from now on they will be recognized through out the world as the family who covered up a murder for their son because dear old dad was a judge. They have lost any credibility anywhere because rarely has anyones names been so publicized. His dad should take the responsibility for all of it as to how he raised his son. Obviously, the mother is aloof. I feel sorry for the siblings on both sides. Neither families will ever be the same.

    26. DeeDee on June 21st, 2005 8:08 am

      Also, I believe the Croes fellow may be there for the reward money. He may have allowed Joran to use the smaller boat owned by the party boat company to take care of the body. He may not have helped in anyother way and may be held for his own protection and for his testimony. He is not charged with any crime thus far. So yes, the reward may have brougth out a witness.

    27. Vickie on June 21st, 2005 8:24 am

      I feel so bad for Beth Twitty, what I think happened is that Natalee was snatched after
      she had been profiled and sold into BlackMarket. There has been no body located and I think the three friends targetd her and choose her They were seen as several places that the class visited. I feel that there will never be a body located because she is not dean but rather sold into Prostitution. The Aruba governement will not solve this case because they are inept and the boys are all from wealthy families who are covering for there children.

    28. Just Wondering on June 21st, 2005 8:44 am

      Beth Twitty was certainly on the edge last night…..can’t say I blame her.
      I did notice she changed her story. Originally, last week or the week before she said she never met the boys.
      She hesitated last night before answering Greta’s question.
      I guess the frustration got to her.

    29. Big Pappy on June 21st, 2005 8:51 am

      It’s all too sad and weird to contemplate, stranger by the minute. I truly feel sad for Aruba (not in a defensive way regarding the process, which I think has been slow and frustrating ) but it’s a locale like anywhere else where you’ve got good folks and bad folks. Shame these kids will be responsible for all but shutting down a huge part of their tourism business if not all of it. Local kids by all respects, who somewhere along the line should have been told you don’t $hit where you eat. Generations of people who worked hard to make Aruba a paradise for many, flushed down the toilet by some ego empowered and self entitled punks who’ve been handed everything they ever wanted. Praying for Natalee and family here.

    30. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:01 am

      i saw beth on anderson cooper last night. she is getting more and more frustrated, and with good reason. she wasn’t able to go in to detail on a lot of issues. i’m assuming because it would compromise the case and investigation. but from the way she talked, it seems they are telling her not to answer certain questions, but in turn they aren’t giving her any information. i don’t think she is getting any assurance from the aruban police on this. i would be hard pressed not to tell everything i know to the media just to find answers on my own.

      that is true about the reward. money will bring people out of the woodwork. and the fact that you can claim it anonymously is enough for some to come forward.

    31. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 9:01 am

      Beth Twitty is a remarkable woman in my opinion. She vows not to leave Aruba without her daughter and talks of Natalee in the present tense; not the past. She truly exemplifies the unconditional love of a Mother for her child and will go to any length in order to find her missing child.

    32. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:08 am

      vanessa-you are right. natalee is a lucky girl to have her for a mom.

    33. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 9:15 am

      If she is alive, I’m sure she knows her Mother won’t give up until she is found. Did you hear Mrs. Twitty say that she’s going to have to talk with Natalee about changing her major from pre med to international law?

    34. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 9:17 am

      Hey pktbk, how are your battle wounds today? You and PoPy were going at it yesterday afternoon. Did you hear the DEA last night on Fox say that drugs are brought to the island of Aruba on a daily basis? I thought about you when I heard it…sure hope PoPy was watching (LOL).

    35. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:18 am

      i remember someone telling me that. ; ) i think after this natalee is probably going to be staying close to home for awhile.

      what made me nervous yesterday was seeing those old gold mine shafts for the first time. yikes. i hope they searched those as best as they could. i had no idea those were there.

    36. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:19 am

      vanessa-yeah, he got a little testy. he was defending his countrys innocence as best he could. i don’t think there is a country around that doesn’t have drugs going in or coming out. and when drugs are involved, there are other really bad things going on as well. like the human trafficking. i was searching for a reliable source to prove to him yesterday. i gave up though. lol

    37. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 9:22 am

      Does anyone know if there is an online video of Greta’s interview from last night? I missed it. If so, can you put the link in here? Thanks

    38. crs on June 21st, 2005 9:37 am

      Is anyone else starting to think the suspects strategy is put out as many different stories as they can so that none of them can be viewed as credible and hence eventually they all walk. There is a rumour of a third story now by the boys that they all left her alone at the Mariott – also Joran’s dad has apparantly said he picked up his son at 3 am at McDonalds. Thoughts?

    39. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 21st, 2005 9:40 am

      Dee Dee– where did you pick up this info (and the McD’s thing)?–

      How much is reward?

      June 21st, 2005 at 8:08 am
      Also, I believe the Croes fellow may be there for the reward money. He may have allowed Joran to use the smaller boat owned by the party boat company to take care of the body. He may not have helped in anyother way and may be held for his own protection and for his testimony. He is not charged with any crime thus far. So yes, the reward may have brougth out a witness.

    40. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 9:41 am

      no, never thought of a strategy coming from that group at all. Just a case of CYA. What are YOUR thoughts, crs?

    41. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:43 am

      do they not have security cameras anywhere down there? they could disclaim all of their stories super quick.

    42. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 21st, 2005 9:43 am

      crs-i think you are onto something. is McDonalds rumor confirmed?

    43. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 9:47 am

      Gees gosh – Can someone help me here? I’m so smart and nice and I never get a response here.
      Does anyone know if there is an online video of Greta’s interview from last night? I missed it. If so, can you put the link in here? Thanks

    44. kristin on June 21st, 2005 9:47 am

      Someone from Aruba said before that McDonald’s closes at 1am, and that it was just a rumor.

    45. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:48 am

      trisher-i looked, but could only find where they were advertising it to be on tv. sorry.

    46. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 9:49 am

      I’m sorry Trisher. I looked and could not find a link to give you. I think we all just get so caught up in the case that we fail to answer questions. Please forgive me for being so rude. I’ll try to do better :o (

    47. Kris on June 21st, 2005 9:50 am

      I don’t know if there is a direct link, but if you go to you can usually find video clips and the text of interviews there.

    48. Kris on June 21st, 2005 9:52 am


      In watching the interview with Beth, do you still think that NH is alive? I mean did you get the feeling from her mom that the info we are not getting, that she is, leads her to think that? What does your relative in the FBI think?

    49. Michael in Florida on June 21st, 2005 9:55 am

      This should be a very sad lesson for every traveler. If you leave this wonderful country of ours, this could happen to you and your family. There are many wonderful places to see without leaving the ‘protection’ of the United States. I will never leave my country again, period. Godspeed for Natalee’s return to her home, the USA.

      God bless,

    50. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 9:57 am

      michael….you could go to the grocery and get car jacked. this could and does happen anywhere. the WORLD we live in today isn’t safe. it’s sad but true.

    51. crs on June 21st, 2005 9:57 am

      I don’t think this case is going anywhere – I have heard Satish and Croes are likely to be released before the week is out. Unless NH is found alive or a body is found I don’t think this case ever goes to trial.

    52. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 9:58 am

      Thanks all for trying to find a link. I did go to her website but it’s still on yesterday’s news. I’ll keep trying. I have never done this stuff before; but I can’t stay away from trying to find news on Natalee. I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s cuz she could be anyone’s daughter. I wake up every morning, listen to the news briefly, hear nothing, and come here to find out what’s really going on. Thanks again all

    53. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:00 am

      Glad to hear Flordia has become crime free!

    54. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 10:00 am

      Kris, my realtive is not down there working the case; I was just asking for their expertise in the situation. There is the theory that she has been taken (against her will of course) to another island for prostitution. If so, the Mother would not be permitted to share any of the info with the media for fear it would jeopardize the case. In speaking of her daughter in present tense does lead one to think that she could still be alive. I hope this is the case as I’m sure the rest of the world does also.

    55. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 10:02 am

      Michael…Have you not heard about Jessica Lunsford in Florida?? How she was kidnapped from her own bed?? I live in FL as well. I guess I will never go to sleep again, period.

    56. Kris on June 21st, 2005 10:02 am

      Very true. Thanks so much for you insight and that of your relative.

    57. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:03 am

      i heard they are able to keep croes until next tuesday.

    58. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:04 am

      I hope NH is found today and the damn runaway bride story does not air tonight – those people are disgusting!

    59. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:05 am

      Yes – they are able to keep Croes until next Tuesday but it sounds like he will be released in the next couple of days.

    60. Just Wondering on June 21st, 2005 10:05 am

      The Holloways are contracting a Texas based Search and Recovery Team.
      They are asking for donations
      If we all want to see Beth and the family receive some answers, I think the bloggers here could help out.

      See story:,2933,160168,00.html

      For donations:

    61. Michael in Florida on June 21st, 2005 10:06 am

      When people are on vacation they tend to have their guard down to relax.

    62. renee on June 21st, 2005 10:08 am

      did anyone see the video of the tourist that recognized one of the suspects? I am wondering waht that is about? I found it last night at my office and thought that I would listen when I got home–got home and could not locate it again.

    63. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 10:09 am

      I usually have my guard down in my bed, tryin to relax – should I never go to bed again? How do I know I’m not going to be kidnapped from one of the many psychos we have here in Florida?

    64. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 10:09 am

      aren’t they, crs?? And now she’s going to profit from her faked abduction……..just doesn’t seem right.

    65. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:10 am

      michael-so your defenses are up when you pump gas or walk from the parking lot to work?

      true, people want to relax on vacation, but this can happen anywhere.

      crs-or at least a huge breaking news report. heck i would even take a presidential face the nation instead of the runaway bride. jerks.

    66. cancon on June 21st, 2005 10:11 am

      sad to say but his response sounds like someone who knows Natalee is dead

      obviously the old man must have had the same attitude since the family is calling him an arrogant slime ball

      anyone else in that position, if they were innocent, would be bending over backwards to help, heck even a smart guilty person would bend over backwards to help

      unless Jr. and Sr. VDS are arrogant assholes 24-7???

    67. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:11 am

      Do you have any more information on that???

    68. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:11 am

      I live in atlanta and we all find this girl, her family, him, and his family disgusting! Those people are trash and it is seriously disturbing she is going to walk away with half a million dollars. Does she need another pair of fake boobs or what?

    69. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:11 am

      renee-i didn’t see that report. sorry you missed the rest of it! any news right now is what i need! lol so we can stop rehashing the same stuff.

    70. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:13 am

      crs-they were discussing it on a nancy grace type news show. they think that even the husband was in on this and it was all a get rich quick thing. for him to never have been really upset that she was missing, makes sense to me! they need to just disappear.

    71. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:15 am

      Cancon – totally playing devils advocate and I do not really believe this but wish to present it as another point of view but imagine the middle of the night- these arrogant americans showing up at your door probably throwing accusations left and right at the Van Der Sloots – by the mothers own admission she yelled at Joran and said “I want my daughter back now” – I could see where they would be nasty back.

    72. cancon on June 21st, 2005 10:16 am

      I am a fan of Law & Order Criminal Intent and I love the way those detectives are able to read when people are lying or not – I think most people have good gut reactions most of the time but then when you deal with liars all the time and conversely people in real grief, you finely tune those gut reactions……..

    73. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:17 am

      It would not shock me if the runaway bride and fiance planned the whole thing at all – she has the craziest eyes i have ever seen and I hope this special has no one watching.

    74. cancon on June 21st, 2005 10:21 am

      well look at the case of this missing boy scout, if you want to talk about another troubling case and this is in the US, they haven’t found a trace of that boy yet either, and they’ve had massive searches since he went missing, now he has only been missing since Friday but if he is still alive, you have to step up the search because of the elements or if he’s been kidnapped by a pedophile

      esp odd since a boy scout went missing and never found? around the same place around the same time of the year?

      now that mother is barely holding it together now…….which would be my reaction, I couldn’t be as cool as Mrs. Holloway certainly was in the beginning

    75. cancon on June 21st, 2005 10:23 am

      PS Just because McDonald officially closes at 1 am doesn’t mean people aren’t hanging out there, the teenagers in my hometown hang out in parking lots after closing all the time

    76. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:24 am

      i just dont get how they can have these boys in custody for 3 weeks, and not have any answers….that would be impossible here in the u.s. so of course we think they are hiding something….

    77. larry chicken on June 21st, 2005 10:26 am

      hey- I have been out of the loop for a couple of days. Quick question- Was Van Der Sloot Natalee’s “new friend” “boyfriend” or whatever they call it now a days. I quess you could ask was she “talking” to him? I know this is petty; but, I have absolutly no information on Natalee with the exception of the stuff in the headlines (straight A student, etc.) The friend aren’t talking (see my intial post a few days ago for my theories) and the mother acts like she knows nothing about the trip or what went on the night she was last seen (sure, sure, sure- she knows not to say anything that might reflect negatively on the friends if she wishes to live in peace back in Alabama when ,and if, this thing is ever concluded). I don’t know if I am alone in this; but, something doesn’t seem right (from either camp- Victim and Suspect). Natalee’s mother says that this Van Der Sloot is an arrogant jerk; but, this is the same guy that her daughter (who friends say would never ever, ever, ever, ever spend time with anyone or do anything that was not perfectly upright) knew on some level before that night (my instinct would tell me that more than a coulple of recentley developed photos have been “lost” by the friends that show Natalee and Van Der Sloot looking quite the dashing couple). That is just my gut feeling. I don’t know what happened. I don’t know if Van Der Sloot is guilty of a crime. I do know from experience that girls like guys that are jerks (many times to their detriment). What might seem like an obvious character flaw to a mother is an enduring quality to a teen girl. The tragic level of this event will be compounded if others (young girls) don’t learn (or at least hear) the lesson to be gained by this situation- “arrogant, cocky, slick guys will always choose himself when the heat is on- don’t ever, ever, ever think that he will do what is right in the end”. I feel that this lesson will never be protrayed in the media because we will never know what happend on that trip prior to Natalee leaving Carlos-n-Charlies.

    78. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:26 am

      I was just repeating something that Aruba girl had said….that someone else said the father of Joran was at McDonald’s at 3am, and she had said it closes at 1am. And he drives too….so why would his dad pick him up at that time if he has his own car and drives? I still think it’s a rumor.

    79. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:27 am

      I have been hearing so much about this prostitution claim, is there a high possibilty of her being sold by these three guys, its just crazy to think that young boys could do such a thing, well I mean if she was murdered by one of them they are capable of anything, but what I am really asking is, is it a high possibility of her being sold and if so I would assume they were PAID, but the 3 boys are wealthy on the island so if so, y would they do it?

    80. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:28 am

      And Natalee’s mother was looking through her photos on her digital camera, there were bound to be pics of her and Joran together….if they hung out as much as everyone said they did.

    81. cancon on June 21st, 2005 10:28 am

      crs yes I think you may have a point, in fact I wonder if the fact the Holloways called in the FBI got the Aruban police with their backs up

      however, since Natalee was reported missing by at least 11:00 am, why hadn’t the Aruban police tracked down Joran themselves before the Holloways actually arrived in Aruba by 11:00 pm

      and perhaps the Van Der Sloots should consider how they would feel if one of their children went missing and the police weren’t doing anything about it…….most people would have some compassion and realize why these people are upset, I still think you would react with trying to be helpful rather than being rude, even if you are perfectly innocent

      I can see Paul being the typical parent of a rotten child – not our problem, my son is an innocent angel, how dare you accuse our angel of any wrong doing meanwhile he’s out there drinking, gambling and likely picking up chicks with his son…….

      and of course if he knows his kid is guilty of something, the best defence is a strong offense, right…….

    82. cancon on June 21st, 2005 10:32 am

      actually Joran is not old enough to drive, he doesn’t have his licence yet even thought that hasn’t stopped him from driving and getting caught doing so, and on that night, the Kalpo brothers were driving Joran around, if they dropped him off at that beach with Natalee his only ways home were to walk or catch a ride or taxi with someone else……

    83. Veritas on June 21st, 2005 10:32 am

      In the US people care when something bad happens esp to good people.

      That guy in Florida who snatched the girl was found and will go to jail 4ever or be sent to death… as I recall his capture was not strictly “by the book”

      The cub scout who disappeared the community has spent $M looking for him… sadly the river may have taken him or perhaps something more sinister is afoot with what appears to be a pattern

      Aruba? Nothing but giving govt workers a 1/2 day and respect for Joran and these other kids individual rights.

      PATHETIC… Tourism will suffer dramatically.

    84. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:33 am

      For Kristin,
      Remeber Van Der Sloot was dropped off, so he didnt have his car so he needed a ride home, I mean I didnt hear anything about McDonald but thats what I would think the reason would be to call his dad.

      And as for larry chicken,
      You and I werent there, however, He may not have been a jerk to her, allot of guys put on a front claim to one and is another just to impress and sometimes to get what they want, so maybe to Natalee he was the sweetest guy, but infront of her mom he showed his true self

    85. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 10:33 am

      Even normal people, where their kids are involved, can become animals. “My child can do no wrong.”

    86. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:34 am

      the boys themselves wouldn’t head this prostitution thing. that’s where the boat guy and joran’s dad would come in. the boys are just the tools used to get to the girls. they aren’t as obvious as older men approaching the younger women.

    87. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:35 am

      Cancon – I agree with much of what you said – I think Joran has been privledged his entire life and no doubt the parents are like many in the US who can never beleieve their child did anything wrong and it is always someone else’s fault. I think these are two well to do families though that got in a pissing match from the start and I wonder if that hasn’t hindered the case- i agree Joran and the boys are the most likely suspects but you have to wonder if there was a rush to judgement and other things were missed.

    88. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:35 am

      Thats right, he didn’t have his car. I forgot about that part. GOD, I just wish we could have some answers. I see how frustrated all of us are, and we don’t even KNOW them. I can’t imagine how the family feels. It makes me want to go to Aruba and help out, but I know I will never set foot there again. Just thinking about it makes me have this creepy feeling. WHEN will the stupid aruban authorities let us IN ON THIS???

    89. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:37 am

      May be you are right pktbk, i really think that is how the boat came in to transport her to this other destination, but involving, the dad who is training to be a judge, confirmed by the news last night that he isnt a judicial leader, I just cant see what the father get out of this, they already have money,so I dotn see y he would, i could see the young boys wanting more than what they have, but not the dad

    90. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:37 am

      pktbk – very possible on the kidnapping theory.

    91. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:38 am

      i heard they were taking down the missing person flyers. is this true?

    92. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:38 am

      oh yeah, does everyone know that if you keep fox news live on television, they have updates on this case literally every 5-10 min. i don’t know what channel it’s on for everyone, but if you have comcast it’s definitely on. i am so happy that natalee’s family is filing a suit. good for them.

    93. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:39 am

      Lady – We don’t know what kind of debts this family has or anything else -who’s to say they do not have serious debts – possibly with the wrong people per se.

    94. Jake on June 21st, 2005 10:40 am

      crs – CRAZY EYES indeed!!! LOL !!!

    95. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 10:40 am

      And for the record, let’s clear up another rumor………Mr. VDS is not a high ranking official as previously stated……the spokesman for the Arubian government said he is just like a civil servant here in the United States. He is not a lawyers, never has been, hasn’t been to law school. He was planning to sit in on some cases in hopes of becoming a judge someday. SO, LadyJA, that is why the Dad could possibly be involved in human trafficking. Half the people on the island of Aruba have never heard of the VDS’es…….but funny how they live in such a nice house in such a nice part of town, isn’t it?

    96. Jake on June 21st, 2005 10:40 am

      crs – CRAZY EYES indeed!!! LOL !!!

    97. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:41 am

      Jake – being in the media – please stop covering that nut bag!

    98. JoJo on June 21st, 2005 10:41 am

      I wish that I had seen Beth Twitty on Greta last night. I have been following this very closely, as I was just a chapperone for my son’s senior trip to the Western Carribean. We made the kids stay in small groups at all times with 2 or more classmates, because it is frightening to see how the American girls seem to be honed in and followed around by men on the islands. Our experience was awesome, but a few times one girl in particular did manage to ditch the group briefly, and when caught up with, was always found with 2 – 3 men from the island trying to lure her away. This girl was incredibly naive but liked the attention. I fear that Natalee was the victim of ones who prey on girls like her, and that her family may never know the truth. They are at the mercy of a government that has been less than forthcoming with answers, and if a body is never found, these young men will all go free. My heart sincerely goes out to Natalee’s family.

    99. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:42 am

      That could be so true, maybe they do owe some wrong ppl money and thats the easy way to make some money…….
      As for the flyers I dont think thats true

      I also wanted to address the rumor of Van Der Sloot kid committing suicide, I would think that the media would have broadcasted that a long time ago, b/c they are doing their best to make him look bad and that right there would be major on his part, so I think that would have been a news brief and I havents seen anything to that form

    100. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:44 am

      vanessa-i thought it very strange that when local kids were questioned, they never heard of joran or the kalpoe boys. if they were so popular and well off. the dad looks like a slime ball, and i would not be shocked in the least if he was found to be involved in drug trafficking.

    101. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 10:45 am

      pktbk: that’s what FoxNews said this morning at 6am….that Mrs. Twitty and her family are upset with the locals because they are taking down the missing posters of Natalee. So there must be some truth to it.

    102. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 10:45 am

      bill oreilly said the RUNAWAY BRIDE was a disgrace and UGLY to boot: he said “her eyes are opened so wide” and she looks like OLIVE OYL (for those of you too young to remember: Olive Oyl is an ugly cartoon character!)

      The missing 11 yr old in Salt Lake City: what a tragedy! his parents are in my prayers.

      As for Natalee…..she is in my prayers & will be till they find her….I can only comfort myself that even if we humans find no justice for these innocent victims HERE ON EARTH, the people who did these crimes face a Higher Judge one day: They will then shake in their shoes

    103. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:46 am

      You have a strong point maybe thats why he ran. But my thing is this studying law or working in that profession you get paid pretty decent, it says he was studying, we dont know where he is working, but they do seem to be doing well with their kid having his own adjoined apartment, what the hell is he doing with his own place at 17 i just got my own place a yr ago and I was 23, and thats b/c I was almost done with school and its time to be career oriented, I think his parents are careless in letting him have this.

    104. Jake on June 21st, 2005 10:46 am

      I am trying to catch up with all the news. I haven’t heard anything about VDS sr. picking up Joran at 3 am at the McDonalds, but if true, it would mean that the brothers story is true. They dropped Joran and NH off at the Marriott, and went home. They left Joran alone with her wehre “something bad happened”. I don’t think Joran is smart enough to have gotten a boat from Croes to dispose the body. I think that he called his dad to meet him at the McDonalds, when daddy picked him up, the 17 yr old was in a panic, and daddy told him, “don’t worry, I will take care of everything”. And daddy called Croes and arranged the “borrowing” of the boat. That is why after Croes was taken into custody “as a witness”, he told authorities that he spoke with daddy. That is why they took VDS Sr. in for a 2 hour long questioning. Phone records from all these people would indicate who called who and at what time!

    105. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:47 am

      how disrespectful is that to take down the flyers? wow, that really is awful. so much for being helpful!

    106. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 10:48 am

      how DARE they take down the posters! The incompetent boobs!

    107. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:49 am

      Like I said yesterday – i think there is starting to be somewhat of a backlash in Aruba against NH’s family – I think a portion of Arubans are getting sick of being portrayed as a bunch of druggie, sex slave trading, boobs.

    108. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:49 am

      You know what I think they were known, I think some ppl are afraid to say something, this island is not big I am from a small island and I know allot of ppl, especially, if they daddy or mommy got money, ppl are going to know you, especially if you hang out at the main spots all the time, and it seem that Carlos and Charles was one the Tatoo was one and Joran was also in the Hotel Casino, so I know that ppl them, oh and dont forget the internet Cafe which seems popular too, i think thats crap

    109. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 10:50 am

      that sucks. they’ve given up this far in to it. but they are so supportive. whatever.

      joran having his own apartment, his own car (even though he wasn’t old enough to drive), sounds like his parents wanted to be his friend instead of his parents. that would explain his can’t touch me attitude. he probably wasn’t disciplined at all. his parents probably totally ignored him unless it was for their own glory or now because he’s disgracing the family name.

    110. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 10:50 am

      crs: who cares what the Arubans think? If there’s a backlash, THEY lose out. NO ONE will go to Aruba…..just let them keep up their stupid backlash

    111. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 10:51 am

      PcktBK: that is what I say! He is spoiled due to his Neanderthal parents. They both look seedy don’t they? they look like reprobates

    112. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:51 am

      Also – you have to remember the cost of living is very little in Aruba and most other caribbean locations – so while it looks like they may be very well off – I would bet that house cost under $150K.

    113. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 10:53 am


      I also read about Daddy Van Der Sloot picking up Joran at 3:00 a.m. from McDonald’s. If this is so, then the DAD KNOWS how the entire nights events took place. The dad is withholding all information to protect his son. Mommy dearest knows what happened too.

      Furthermore, daddy has compromised all the evidence JUST SO this case can eventually be thrown out. There is more to this story than meets the eye and when it all comes out watch how HUGE it will be!

    114. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:53 am

      SS – I think you are naive to think that this case will have any lasting effect on Aruba – Aruba will be back to business as usual in no time at all.

    115. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 10:53 am

      Maybe Joran’s dad thinks he can run fromthe cameras, but you’re right, SS, someday he wont be able to run from almighty God and his judgement

    116. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:53 am

      I honestly believe that Arubans are wonderful ppl we cant bash these ppl for the work of the gov. I know it is a representation of the country but they have laws that they cant help and these laws are from Holland, however, I dont think that they are doing a good jjob in questioning these boys, b/c this would have been solved already. There was also a theory of the phones being tapped, is that true?

    117. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:53 am

      sorry but seeing the pictures on his website and seeing the things he wrote, i can only assume that he is a selfish little ass, who thinks he’s a pimp or something. i hate him, and i dont care if he’s innocent….he did this to himself. and now he needs to tell the TRUTH, and face the facts that his daddy can’t bail him out on this one. so much for going to college in florida. no one will want him there. you know, people have great lives sometimes, and then they take it for granted. i bet a few weeks ago he never thought he would be in jail.

    118. Jake on June 21st, 2005 10:54 am

      Does anyone know if seaches for NH are still being done on the island? I haven’t heard of any in the last couple of days-last i heard was the helicopter search.

    119. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 10:54 am

      I’m not naive because Americans will keep this story ALIVE and Aruba will go down the tubes….as I hope it will. God will cause a tidal wave to hit it like what happned to Thailand because they market in children as sex toys

    120. crs on June 21st, 2005 10:54 am

      KAT – i agree both the dad and mom know what happened I have thought that ever since i saw Jorna’s mothers first interview.

    121. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 10:56 am

      Jake, heard on the news today that Natalee’s PARENTS hired a huge search today to go over the island…note, I said her PARENTS are behind it. The lousey Aruban gov’t ain’t doing NOTHING to HELP

    122. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:56 am

      I dont believe that you know, when I was 17 and I was out with my friends and I didnt have a ride home I would call my mom or dad, yes they ask how was you night you know the answer to that? FINE, thats it. Say for instance I was messing around with a guy you trhink imma tell my parents, not saying I did, but that would not be the first answer, to how was your night

    123. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 10:57 am

      Joran’s parents look like the typical, amoral, godless Europeans who let the kid run amok as far as sex, drugs & partying…..they reaped what they sowed.

    124. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 10:57 am

      crs what did the mother say I didnt see that interview, and JAKE go to

    125. kristin on June 21st, 2005 10:57 am

      HEY EVERYONE!!!!

      They are showing the interview with Natalee’s mother again on Foc News Love within the next hour. They are also going to go back into Carlos n Charlie’s with cameras and maybe interview some people there.
      Just thought you would like to know!!!!!

    126. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 10:59 am

      thanks KRISTIN! I turned on my TV

    127. Jake on June 21st, 2005 10:59 am

      Can you all imagine how COLD HEARTED the Van Der Sloot family (Mom, Dad and son) are that THEY KNOW what happened to Natalee, and they continue holding back the information on where her body is! EVEN if it was an accident and she overdosed like some people speculate, I SEE NO REMORSE on behalf of this kid (& family)!!!

    128. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:00 am

      Lady – She did not really come out and say anything specific – what struck me was she was not really passionate in the defense of her son and I thought that odd – i just got an odd vibe from her like she knew he did something.

    129. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:00 am

      you’re welcome, hope you find it! and tonight at 10pm Greta is live again with an hour of information on the case. i have a feeling that something is going to happen, soon let’s hope!

    130. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 11:00 am

      Veritas, I am from Florida. I don’t know if you have heard yet, but the guy who snatched Jessica in Florida was not read his rights. If you can believe that?!! They received his confession before they read him his rights….

    131. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:00 am

      Good Day to Everyone:


      I agree with you…I was watching the news this morning on MSNBC and they even made a statement about how the people of Aruba are now starting to worry that this tragedy is going to take a toll on their economy…

    132. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 11:00 am

      Does anyone know what his mother say when she was interviewed, and y did these ppl allow her to see the boy she can tell him the same thing the father could, she could relay messages still, that was wrong on their part. Honestly, i dont see this investigation moving y havent they search the boat, or the Croes’s car

    133. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:01 am


      Understandably so, not telling the truth to parents in SOME CASES but in this case, we maybe talking about foul play that lead to Messiness that ONLY a parent can help you out of.

    134. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:01 am

      I was right! Natalee’s family is not SUING the Arubans for not doing their job! Plus they hired a TEXAN SEACH TEAM TO scout for Natalee! HOORAY!!!!

    135. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:02 am

      jake-they were showing aerial views of the island just to show the area that has to be covered during searches. i really didn’t say people actively looking. i could be wrong, but the live footage showed nothing to me.

    136. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:02 am

      They have 17 people, 3 dogs, and some high-tech SONAR equipment??? whatever that is to find Natalee. WHY can’t anyone speak about this case? They just asked if the boys stories are all changing or different from eachother’s and the lady said she can not share that information. WHY??? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???? SERIOUSLY!!!

    137. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:02 am

      Sorry…i meant to type “NOW SUING” not “not suing”

    138. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:02 am

      The Aruban authorities DID indeed impound Steve Croes car too. It was shown on the news last Friday.

    139. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 11:02 am

      Who cares about their economy, a girl is missing maybe Lord Forbid dead, and thats what they are worried about, what they need to is get on those ppl thats giving them a bad rap those in custody

    140. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 11:04 am

      About BUG EYES..I think she is going to claim a Mental Illness..I’ve long suspected Run Away Bride is suffering from Bi Polar Manic Depression..just a guess with her Manic Behavior…past arrests etc….not that its any excuse for what she did and to profit off what she did is despicable…and that LAME brain fiancee..they deserve each other in my opinion.

    141. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:05 am

      LadyJA… talks……that’s why THEY (arubans) care about their economy and NOT the girl. CRS thinks Aruba will not suffer from this but she’s wrong as Americans will NOT forget how this was handled & I will personally lead a campaign to say


    142. gypsylady51 on June 21st, 2005 11:05 am

      Most likely, officials have the correct culprits in custody. But, I can’t help but wonder….IF….before the trip….there was any connection between Natalee and any of these males now in the slammer. I noticed the Aruba message boards, calendar’s…and so on. Is it possible…..that she ‘talked’ with them even before leaving the U.S.A.? Or….possibly….talked w/someone else. Examining computers would determine that route. Also…..for such a group….being on vacation….what about photos from her classmates cameras??

      Even on vacation, we take ‘personal items’ on our person. If NH left her bags and passport in her room…..what/where/how/when/if…..have happened to her personal items? One thing she probably had, was a room key. Possibly some money.

      Working as a correctional officer for many years……has shown me that once a crime has been committed……the word spreads very fast between crimenals as well as their friends, friends of friends, and acquaintances. As they say, “There are NO secrets in Jail”. I have to wonder…..why NO ONE is stepping forward. Surely to heaven….someone has enough compassion in their heart…to speak up….if even anonymously to provide leads/information.

      I wish Natalee’s safety is secure. I pray that she is still alive. And….I pray for strength for her family….in the midst of all this confusion, and for whatever the outcome.

    143. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:05 am

      his parents look like they just do their own thing and let joran raise himself. where are the kalpoe brothers’ parents? i haven’t seen any of their family being questioned, or even defending their sons.

      i am just getting some huge lazy as heck vibes from that country. i know that some people are just layed back, but this is ridiculous!

    144. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:07 am

      One aruban justice official said last week that “they can’t just go in LIKE COWBOYS during an investigation”….oh well, the Holloway’s decided to do JUST THAT and bring in some REAL COWBOYS using horses and high powered Sonar from Texas! Yee-haw for the Holloway’s!

    145. Jake on June 21st, 2005 11:07 am

      NH family is clearly taking matters into their own hands!!! GOOD FOR THEM!!!! They were patient for too long. I think the whole idea of bringing in their own search team is to show the Aruban Gvmt. that THEY MEAN BUSINESS-and that they will NOT LEAVE Aruba without Natalee!!! I admire them and I support them!! Good for them!!!!

    146. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:07 am

      good point, Pktbk! You’re right: island people are lazy due to the warmer climate. My Yankee gram said “hot weather causes for lazy people” that’s why she said her Georgian cousin was so lazy

    147. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:07 am

      i’m sure this will hurt their econonmy for a few months, but it will be business as usual on down the road. people still journey to the middle east don’t they?

    148. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:08 am

      Oh I agree LadyJA, if anything, the people should be just as angry with their polis officials as we americans are!

    149. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:08 am

      Leopard – good luck with your campaign – with your line of thinking – there would not be any tourism in West Palm Beach or half the cities in the US. NH is a tradgedy if in fact she is dead but to think no one is going to go to Aruba is silly.

    150. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:08 am

      most americans, even those struggling for money, would GLADLY donate a buck or two in the search for Natalee….if we all pitched it, I’d say plough thru that whol god-forsake island! And while you’re at it, hire the Mob to make that smarmy Dutch kid talk!

    151. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:09 am

      Natalee’s mother is so pissed. She isn’t being nice anymore, you can tell she’s had it. The rest of the interview is on tonight at 10pm. She said she knows MOST DEFINITELY that they know where her daughter is. She said as soon as she spoke with them between 1 and 4am that she knew they were hiding the truth from her. I can’t believe Joran spoke to her that way. What does he mean, “what do you want me to do”??? Wouldn’t someone who WASN’T guilty say something like, “I am sorry but I don’t know where your daughter is” instead of being so DEFENSIVE and saying what do you want me to do? It seems like he’s suggesting that Natalee is already dead, and he can’t do anything about it. This is probably why he isn’t speaking now and admitting to it, because even if it’s an accident-he’s still to blame. His future is ruined, and if he keeps quiet he thinks he will be alright. They also said something about 8 FBI agents are now involved and demanding to see evidence.

    152. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:09 am

      lol i hadn’t even thought about the warm weather thing. lol i know i get sleepy when it gets warm. maybe if this happened during the winter they would have a been a little more active. LOL

      i’m glad the family is picking up the aruban government’s slack. i think beth realized that they are more concerned on what to do with the boys than actually finding natalee.

    153. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:10 am

      crs….at least in the USA if something is botched in a crime investigation, we americans all attack those at fault, usually thanks to talk show hosts like O’reilly, Hannity and bob Grant!

    154. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 11:11 am

      Allowing a Judge In Training son to drink and gamble at age 17 when the legal age in Aruba is 18 is beyond my comprehension in Aruba…Carlos & Charlie’s is well known on the Island and sounds like the Van Der Snootfuls have free reign to do as they please….This is a cover other way to look at it.

    155. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:12 am

      evidence is being sent to holland for evidence

    156. Jake on June 21st, 2005 11:12 am

      pktbk-i have been wondering for a while where the Kalpoe parents are too. I am starting to think that the Kalpoe brothers have now become “witnesses”, not suspects. I think they have kept them in jail to protect them from the media, but I think Aruban authorities know that they DID drop Joran and NH off and that Joran is now the prime suspect.

    157. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:13 am

      Right on, Snippy! This is a coverup and Aruba will pay for it

    158. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:13 am

      what i meant was its being sent to holland for testing, sorry i am trying to watch and type…it’s hair that they are doing a dna test on….the fbi agents were not allowed in the Sloot’s home, they could only be allowed AROUND the outside of the house….WHAT IS THAT??

    159. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:13 am

      Gosh – I lost connection for a minute and it looks like the world woke up here!

    160. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:14 am

      POLYGRAPH IS ILLEGAL IN ARUBA? What a bunch of hillbillies1

      This is laughable….Aruban gov’t & cops are INCOMPETENT AND STUPID


    161. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:14 am

      Your just making me laugh now, O’Reilly is a joke and Hannity actually thought the Runaway bride and her fiance were great people.

    162. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:14 am

      POLYGRAPH IS ILLEGAL IN ARUBA? What a bunch of hillbillies1

      This is laughable….Aruban gov’t & cops are INCOMPETENT AND STUPID


    163. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:14 am

      Yes evidence is being sent to Holland but guess what? The Van Der Sloot’s are from Holland! What a coincidence when you have one of the THEE best crime labs right in Miami!

    164. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:15 am

      I’m thinking the Aruban govt knows almost everything they need to know. They just are not telling us about it.

    165. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:15 am

      or I mean Polis – sorry

    166. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:15 am

      I think Hannitty initially thought Runaway Bride’s family were good…..I don’t think he feels that way anymore

      Oreilly came down HARD on that Fla. judge who won’t prosecute that scumbag Couey’s relatives

    167. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:15 am

      why ask the fbi to come down if they aren’t going to let them do their job? aaargh!

      wouldn’t the kalpoe brothers still be charged with like aiding and abedding? since they were driving him around and possibly knew what he was up to?

    168. cancon on June 21st, 2005 11:16 am

      ah hello I live in a city of 80,000, probably a little more spread out than Aruba but not much, and I can tell you I don’t about 75,000 of them

      then if you consider the number of tourists that flood the island each and every week

      I work in a town of 5000 and I can tell you they don’t know each other anymore since the village expanded from about 500 to 5000 in about 10 years…….

    169. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:16 am

      I think CRS has some american bashing inhim, even tho he/she claims to be american

    170. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:17 am

      Trisher – I agree – I think the arubans have many of the answers and are simply hoping to either locate NH or find the body to wrap this up. it is arrogant for people to think that Arubans should change their legal system for one girl – give me a break!

    171. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:17 am

      Whether you like Hannity, O’reilly, Greta etc. or not, you have to thank them for keeping Natalee’s case in the public eye…god bless them for that

    172. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:18 am

      Atually, crs in quite funny and has been well engaged in this entire case!

    173. Mike on June 21st, 2005 11:18 am

      Bill O’Reilly needs to add a boycott of Aruba to his boycott of France, that will get their attention.

    174. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:19 am

      No american bashing – I just think there are too many people like yourself you think the american way is the only way.

    175. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:19 am

      Actually, crs in quite funny and has been well engaged in this entire case!

    176. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:19 am

      2 fbi agents are being sent from birmingham alabama

    177. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:19 am

      Thank you Katcall!

    178. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:20 am

      this is so frustrating

    179. cancon on June 21st, 2005 11:20 am

      warm weather makes for lazy people, hey you try working outside in 100 degree heat

      even here in Canada, a few Fridays ago, it was 40 degrees Celsius with the humidex factored in and we sent everyone home at noon on that Friday, not worth people getting sunstroke etc, (we’re in construction)

      but people in the Caribbean work in heat like that all the time……..

    180. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:21 am

      Thank you crs

    181. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:24 am

      crs doesn’t bash the u.s. he (i’m assuming) brings up topics for us to give ‘our thoughts’.

    182. Superman Lover on June 21st, 2005 11:24 am

      PREDICTION: Aruba’ tourism will increase. Better to have controversial publicity than no publicity!! Americans will now come to Aruba to explore the lighthouse near Arashi and they’ll be hanging out at Carlos n Charlies.

      After Nicole Brown Simpson was murdered, Mezz Luna, a restaurant she frequented in her area saw its business hit the the moon!!!! Americans are curious, they like adventure and gossip. You watch; it’s sad irony but Aruba will see a new level of wealth and they’ll erect a statue of Geraldo in Tarzan attire to show their gratitude.

    183. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:24 am

      It seems like CRS is defending Aruba too much & she/he sounds unAmerican to me. I agree with SS. But my son studies prophecy and he feels the tidal wave last Dec. was God’s wrath on an area that trafficks Child Porn/Sex and that Aruba will soon also be punished for the godlessness that is running rampant down there. Either Aruba will fail economically or have bad weather ravage it.

    184. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:26 am

      But the Calif. RESTAURANT wasn’t responsible for Nicole/Ron’s deaths….Aruba, in this case, is responsible for Natalee because they are NOT doing their fair share. So Yes, Aruba will suffer

    185. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:26 am

      Exactly pktbk – this is a DISCUSSION BOARD and is quite boring and not very insightful if we all just sat here all day and just said Joran is guilty and Aruba sucks.

    186. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:26 am

      At this point, given we have no facts, CRS, it’s true: Joran is guilty and Aruba sucks

    187. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:27 am

      leopardqueen-did your son have anything to say about the two recent earthquakes in california?

      we americans do love our landmarks of sometimes horrible situations. isn’t that odd? visit battlegrounds, memorialize murder scenes. i hadn’t thought about that! lol
      you might not be too far off there superman. except maybe for the geraldo thing. :)

    188. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:28 am

      He studies biblical prophecy…he did say in the “last days” there will be an increase in natural disasters….I dont know much about it myself sorry to say

    189. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:28 am

      If I ever need a jury I hope some of you (you know who you are) are not on it.

    190. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:28 am

      leopard-only temporarily. this is just a minor setback for them. i’m sure people are still right now planning their vacations there. i’m sure many americans wanting to get away from the concrete jungles and crime they see everyday are planning tropical getaways to small countries.

    191. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 11:29 am

      scaredshitless- I agree if O’reilly, Hannity and Greta have been instrumental in keeping this case in the public, and thus very difficult for Americans to forget.

      About CRS, I actually think he/she posts some of the best comments, inquiries, updates, and insights that I have read on this post.

    192. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:29 am

      Leopard, i think there were FIVE recent earthquakes in Calif. Your boy must be on to something!

    193. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:29 am

      Superman – I think you are right on the mark on Aruba and tourism -some people will want to go if for no other reason than to see the spots they have seen so much on tv.

    194. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:29 am

      Does anyone remember the Patrick Dennehy case in Texas? The Baylor Univ. BB player murdered by his friend/roommate in 2003. It took 3 weeks to find his body and the US FBI and Texas authorities were ALL OVER Carlton Dotson …the suspect. The FBI drove him so crazy he cracked up and confessed over a LONG DISTANCE phone call from Maryland. Saying “voices he was hearing told him to call and confess”. Good work and unwaivering pressure for the truth works. If only the US FBI were allowed more privileges to interrogate the suspects I would like to think the Holloway case would have been solved by now.

    195. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:30 am

      Leopardqueen – I’ve heard that stuff too. My spouse reads about it. I see it all as an interpretation.

    196. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 11:30 am

      I use to love Bill O’Reilly but when he PAID OFF that gal who had him TALKIN DIRTY TO HER TAPE..well, anything Bill O’Guilty does or says doesn’t mean much to me…I agree that FOX is keeping the story alive every day about Natalee…WHAT HAPPENED TO GERALDO ?? A couple of week-ends ago he was PROMISING Beth Holloway he would do all he could to help her out..haven’t seen him on his own show lately on week-ends….I still think that Beheading in Aruba was a message sent to keep your mouth shut about this case…I mean, the timing and all and how many beheadings to you get on that Island anyway?

    197. Rabaul on June 21st, 2005 11:30 am

      Leapord Queen…..God must really hate America for spreading Alzheimers and diabetes(more suffering than dying in a tsunami). You’re showing you level of education and your son needs to study a little harder; you cant “study” prophecy you ninkompoop!!!

    198. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:32 am

      On the radio right now, it is said, Croes said that he saw the three boys drop off NH at the Holiday Inn and that is why he came under suspicion.

    199. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:32 am

      i feel like one day this week we are going to get an update that’s like “it’s over. the body has been found, this is the evidence, this is who did it.” don’t all of you???

    200. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 11:33 am

      I never watched any of those news shows before this. I think O’Reilly is good but rude and Greta is good but she has asked the family some really dumb questions. Like…How does this make you feel? So, the best you can hope for right now is for Natalee to be alive and sold into slavery. Good God!

    201. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:33 am

      My son studies biblical prophecy….he studies the books of Daniel, revelations etc.

      We will always have disease…we live in a fallen world. But countries that harm KIDS like Thailand, he feels will feel God’s special wrath

    202. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:33 am

      what if they dropped her off, and the security guards took the tapes? and someone really did take her…

    203. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:33 am

      Ally thanks for the nice comment!!

    204. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:34 am

      Kristin, for the family’s sake, I hope you’re right. they need closure

    205. Superman Lover on June 21st, 2005 11:34 am

      Leopard Queen…use your head….the plague during the middle ages wiped out more than half the population in Europe. There have been bigger tsunamis, hinger, famine, and death in the past. Use your common sense!!! Tell you son to find a real job instead of trying to convey to you that The Lord is speaking to him.

    206. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:34 am

      the increase of natural disasters is noted in revelations in the bible. a lot of those prophecies seem to be happening now a days. but like trisher said, you can leave that up to interpretation. i say, just be ready in case this is it.

      but porn, sex slaves, and child molestation go on everywhere, so we should have all been swallowed up in the tsunamis.

      that is so true kat! i forgot about that boy. our fbi could have been much closer and more informative.

      or maybe we can send john walsh down there!

    207. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:35 am

      Krisitin I agree I don’t know about this week but I do agree that all the information will come out very quickly with their system.

    208. Pazuzu on June 21st, 2005 11:36 am

      Revelations was not written by God or Jesus. It was written as an attempt to proslytize more non believers. Get your facts straight

    209. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:37 am

      “The Birmingham Post-Herald has reported that the recently arrested Joran Van der Sloot was in a pushing match with some of Natalee Holloway’s friends earlier on during the night of her disappearance.”

      Does anyone know anything more about this??

    210. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:38 am

      Kristin – I heard that a long time ago and I don’t know it ever proved true.

    211. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 11:38 am

      We can only PRAY it all will come down like you say this week..being the skeptic I am I’m thinking this will play out..No Body, No Crime and the little chits walk…

    212. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:39 am

      i’d love to see John walsh down there! He singlehandedly got the laws changed in the USA to protect our kids bettr…..

    213. Rabaul on June 21st, 2005 11:40 am

      Even more American girls than before will be going to Aruba to engage in hedonistic, depraved behavior with local men. It’s been going on for a long time. But I don’t think Natalee was one of those girls. No way.

    214. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:41 am

      AND-why aren’t the alabama teenagers talking more? Why didn’t they say anything about the fight? Do they have something to keep quiet about? I know if I were one of them, I would be telling everyone what I witnessed. It can only HELP the Holloway’s in the end.

    215. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:42 am


      I’ve been away for awhile…What fight are you referring to??

    216. Rob on June 21st, 2005 11:42 am

      Leopard Queen

      Your statements about the tsunami are absurd!

    217. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:43 am

      Sorry, Misspelled your name…I meant Kristin:-)

    218. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:43 am

      there is a lot of silence involved in this whole thing. it’s my understanding that information is not allowed out to the public due to how their trials go. like it would jeopardize the whole ruling.

    219. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:43 am

      I tend to think her clasmates either don’t know much or they don’t want to say something they may be construed as negative about NH.

    220. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:44 am

      the blond chubby girl they interviewed (the Mountain Brooks teen) sure sounded like she was sugar-coating the debauchery going on in aruba. i bet deep down those kids are sorry they ever stepped into C&C’s

    221. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 11:44 am

      pktbk–that is funny.. I was thinking the same thing about John Walsh….then I was informed by a colleague that his son’s murderer was never found…;-)

      CRS-no prob,your comments are thought provoking in the very “NOT BASHING AMERICAN WAY”. lol—unlike some of the more “literal interpretation biblical way”… I guess since I live in Miami, (crime central) that I should leave my lexus in my office parking lot and take my boat home…so the Tsunami won’t take me….

      Just joking–leopard ;-)

    222. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:44 am

      rob: it’s my son’s opinion…..

    223. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:46 am

      I had written this on another page a few days ago….but this was my experience when I went to Aruba:

      I have been following the Natalee Holloway case since she first dissapeared. My two friends and I went to Aruba for our graduation when we were 18. We had our friends mother and boyfriend with us to “check-in” with us throughout the trip. They stayed in a different part of the hotel, and we were on our own for most of the trip.
      We had a very similar experience happen to us that happened to Natalee. We went on the tattoo cruise, and I found a picture of us WITH the man they arrested who works on the boat. Very scary to look at the picture of him with his arms around us, smiling at the camera.
      The last night we were in Aruba we went to Carlos and Charlies. We had a man following us around buying us drinks and wanting to hook up with the three of us. We didn’t like him, and we just wanted him to go away. As the night came to an end, and of course after we were all heavily intoxicated, we found ourselves without any money left to take a taxi home. My friend had met Mr. Aruba, and some of his friends, and they offered us a ride. I did not want to go with them, but my friends pushed me to go. I was not about to be left alone at the bar, and I was not going to let my friends out of my sight. We got into a silver honda civic, and I was so frightened that something bad was going to happen to us. You always hear stories…and you never know.
      The men brought us back to our hotel after taking a scenic drive around Aruba…and after telling us that they waited for American girls to come to Aruba so that they could hook up with them. They actually GO to hotels and hang around the bars and pools, waiting to meet drunken girls.
      I was so happy to be back at our hotel….and to never have to speak to those men again. Watching this story on TV is like watching what could have happened to us. We were foolish, and drunk…and I am sad to say that we knew better, but still went along with the men anyways. I can only hope that Natalee is alive, and I think about her and her friends all the time. No one wants to go to Aruba and have something like this happen. Maybe now everyone will be a little wiser with their choices. I wish I had been.

    224. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:46 am

      ALLY IN MIAMI…you’re wrong. Walsh is pretty sure Otis Toole killed Adam but evidence was lost, and Toole died in prison in 1996 of AIDS. they kept Adam’s body so had the ability of DNA testing to test the blood on Otis’s car fibers but the inept Fla. police lost the car!

    225. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 11:46 am

      In the beginning Beth Holloway said she hadn’t talked to any of the kids on the trip..I found that rather strange…but yet she knew exactly where to find Van Der Sleaze…I’m not blaming her at all for protecting these young kids but I do find it troublesome ..she said in the beginning when ask the question about talking to them and what happened that night I believe she said..” this is about Natalee and finding her..its puzzling to me…sounds like some argument with the locals could have occurred..I would never want my daughters reputation smeared but this is beyond worrying about reputations on either side…Lets get to the truth and go from there.

    226. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:47 am

      ally-that’s right. they never did. but he’s making up for it now! :)

    227. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:47 am

      It’s ok on the mispelling, and I was talking about the “supposed” fight between Joran and one of Natalee’s friends that took place the night of Carlos n Charlie’s.

    228. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:48 am

      Kristin – well said.

    229. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 11:48 am

      Instead of disputing knowledge about the Bible, keep in mind this forum is about Natalee and her family. Those folks are experiencing something so horrific and unimagineable. Their entire lives have been turned upside down. They have had to leave their jobs, homes, kids, friends and livelihood in search of their beloved Natalee. Not to mention the possible financial drain this will cost. But I am sure money is not of importance because our children are everything to us.

      Futhermore dealing with aurthorities somewhere outside of their comfort zone such as Aruba versus the US where they are familiar with laws, jurisdictions and are privy to information relating to NH’s disappearance.

    230. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:48 am

      Pktbk: see my earlier post: Walsh is certain otis toole killed Adam. Didn’t you read TEARS OF RAGE? No one knows anything on this board yet act like you do! I am a Walsh fan and have delved into all his writings.

    231. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:49 am

      I pray for Natalee’s family every waking moment

    232. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 11:50 am

      Scareshitless —was Toole in jail for the murder of Adam or for other unrelated charges? (i moved to Miami long after that crime was committed—and I was very young when it occurred)

    233. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:50 am

      I agree with you TOTALLY!!! I was wondering WHY she said that as well. Why wouldn’t she have spoken to the teens to ask them what happened that night? Why would she change the subject and say ‘this is about finding natalee’?? I wanted to say “THIS IS ABOUT FINDING OUT THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT!!!!”

    234. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 11:51 am

      scared-sorry to step on your john walsh loving toes! no, i’m sorry i didn’t read tears of rage. calm down! being certain and proving are two different things btw. but that’s neither here nor there. and i am pretty sure none of us claim to be experts in all of this. this is just a place to discuss. not question each other’s expertise.

      i agree kat. the frustration with the differences in legal systems is driving me crazy. i can only imagine how they feel.

    235. kristin on June 21st, 2005 11:51 am

      thanks crs :)

    236. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:52 am

      Ally: Otis was in jail for other murders….he was a half-wit, mentally insane & had a homosexual affair with a fellow murderer. From all the things he knew, John walsh is convinced Otis killed Adam. Read John’s book TEARS OF RAGE…..he is enraged due to the inept Fla. cops BUNGLING THE WHOLE CASE

    237. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 11:52 am

      Thanks Kristin for agreeing with me and answering my post..LOL..was beginning to wonder if I was skipped over and yakkin to myself…

    238. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 11:53 am

      Pktbk: you sound so polite you must be a Christian! I’ve also read TEARS OF RAGE. It’s a “must” read. John is fabulous! I love the guy

    239. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 11:55 am

      ScaredShitless- you are way out of line. No one is claiming that we know sooo much on this post..We are just commenting—wow—isn’t that what a blog forum is for? No, i did not read “TEAR of RAGE”, I prefer to read other things that do not involve the decapitation of little boys. As for knowledge, I assure you that my education level far exceeds yours.. But I must say, I should have known how articulate you were from the commencement thus demonstrated by your wonderful use of vocabulary.

    240. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 11:58 am

      It’s just annoying when ppl type in “oh that murder of Adam was never solved” when they have no idea that John Walsh feels Otis surely did it! So why do you pontificate when you don’t know? By the way I have a college education but I type fast & hence the typo’s

    241. gypsylady51 on June 21st, 2005 11:58 am

      Have just found these message boards/forums. Impossible to read everything….but was wondering, as I mentioned in my previous post.

      Was/is ….there any possibility that Natalee (or any other students)….had communicated via computer to any of the suspects…before they even went on the trip? Or perhaps posted on the Aruba calendar, the information regarding their trip, arrival dates, and where they were staying?

      Have not seen anything on this.

    242. crs on June 21st, 2005 11:59 am

      Gypsy – what is your theory if they did communicate?

    243. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:00 pm

      scared sh*tless and Ally:

      Here is a ‘story’ on Otis O’Toole. It says he died of cirrhosis (not aids), and that he actually confessed to murdering Adam Walsh with details that only THE killer would have known.

      Very interesting!

    244. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 12:00 pm

      ROTFLMAO @ Ally………YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    245. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:01 pm

      Gypsy…Doubt you’ll ever see anything negative concerning these Students or Chaperones concerning this case…I hate saying that but it seems we might be covering some arses as well..

    246. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 12:02 pm


      What you are asking about the possibility of NH communicating via computer before her arrival to Aruba is YET another piece of this puzzle that we are kept from knowing! Stay tuned. Everyday matters and leaks are steaming to the public more and more. Just remember……people TALK! There are no secrets!

    247. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:02 pm

      what? the john walsh expert got the cause of death wrong?! *gasp*

      i don’t think there was prior contact between natalee and the island boys. i think that joran likes to stay in contact with them once they do leave however. i don’t know the exact news station but they were saying how he is known to exchange email addresses with tourist girls he meets.

    248. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 12:03 pm

      and good work MomfromMo………..get your facts straight before you start attacking others here SS!

    249. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 12:03 pm

      I never said I knew, reread my post. I stated that I was informed that his murder was never solved…Again, I stated that I was informed by a colleague and stated that I was too young to have retained information about that crime. I only know about what he does for this country now. I have never claimed to be an expert on this post…which is why i asked you to disseminate more info on Toole..Can we move on now and not obsess about this irrelevant information?

      pktbk–love your posts!—

    250. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:04 pm


      I think that she or family members did talk with the other students. I also remember reading somewhere that the FBI was questioning all of the students on the trip. I would assume that they(other students), would be limited in what they are allowed to say to the press. Just like NH’s mom sometimes saying that she can’t comment on that.
      I do also believe that an answer to this horrible event will be coming soon.

    251. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 12:05 pm

      thanks, Vanessa :)

    252. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:06 pm

      thank you ally.

      kris-i hope you are right. as tight lipped as they are, hopefully it means they have what they need.

    253. kristin on June 21st, 2005 12:06 pm

      OK thanks Kris

    254. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:06 pm

      Agreed. Let’s move on! Just trying to pitch in on some info I knew of….:)

    255. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 12:07 pm

      thanks mom from mo…..xoxo

    256. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:07 pm

      The only student talking said last night on Fox that the FBI had not told them that they could not speak about the case. I think the students and chaperones are kind of off limits right now but will most likely come under more criticism later on.

    257. kristin on June 21st, 2005 12:07 pm

      OK thanks Kris

    258. Rob on June 21st, 2005 12:09 pm

      Watching that student on Fox last night, it seemed as though she did not know Natalee as well as she was letting on.

    259. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:10 pm

      I would still think that even if they(students) were not directly told not to say anything, they were instructed as to how to answer certain questions. I would think that they would want to be very careful so as not to lead the way for the posibility of more rumors. Just my thoughts

    260. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:11 pm

      Kris..Well, one can only hope it will be solved soon…With so many botched searches of the suspects….letting them go in the beginning and arrested ten days later we can only speculate on how much evidence was destroyed..It galls me when the first two Black men were arrested..shown to the public from the get go ……cars and homes searched and they weren’t even the ones last seen with Natalie…..thats when I knew this was a cover up..You just don’t let the suspects go and they pointed their slimy fingers at two innocent men and they took their word for it..THAT SMELLS…

    261. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:11 pm

      Are the students not allowed to speak, even OUT of Aruba’s jurisdiction? Not that I would want the ‘case’ to be jeopardized, but surely they would/could share what they know with NH’s family… just curious. Thoughts? :)

    262. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:12 pm

      you’re much quicker than I am…thanx, crs! The FBI making that decision makes more sense.

    263. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:12 pm

      That is another good point, with the family all busy looking for her–what’s to say that some of the students being interviewed are “friends” with NH. I hate to say this, but I’m thinking it–what if they are looking for their 15min? If someone was on the trip, but did not spend time with her and just happened to be at C&C that night, that would be enough for most reporters.

    264. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 12:12 pm

      Otis Toole died of AIDS…complications of which were liver damage

      Gettng off that topic, if this Natalee case isn’t solved soon, i feel like flying down to Aruba myself & holding a rally

    265. gypsylady51 on June 21st, 2005 12:13 pm

      Was simply thinking…..if information regarding their upcoming trip had been posted on one of the Aruba message boards/calendar sites……there is a possibility that someone could be waiting on ‘new targets’ to arrive. In the excitement of preparing for the trip, security and safety is important….but this is one avenue that might not be given much thought.

      I also noted on those sites, that there are people from the USA….and other areas…who are able to be directly emailed.

      NH may not have had direct contact w/Anyone from Aruba before arriving. But…there seems to be that possibility…..that there could have been contact.

      What easier way, for a predator….to size up their quarry….than watching the message boards/calendars?

      Long shot at best….but something simply makes me think that this is some sort of connection. Who knows?

    266. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:13 pm

      snippy-what was also odd was the two security guards names and faces were all over the tv immediately. yet when anyone here lately is brought in, we get their initials and it’s days before we see what they look like. something smells bad there as well.

    267. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 12:13 pm

      Mom, my thoughts are there’s more than meets the eye about this case………..otherwise why would they be told not to talk?

    268. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 12:14 pm

      Hear no evil, see no evil, speak evil….Isn’t this sort of the same way the Aruban authorities are treating this case in terms of not allowing the public to know more on the suspects and the case itself?

    269. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:14 pm

      My question is the girl last night that was her friend, she seemed very blunt and too blunt, I was also looking for her in the pics with natalee and I didnt see her, however, she said that she saw natalee with Joran and that she wasnt drunk or anything out of the ordinary, I’m not sure if she saw her leave with him, but I remember that she said that natalee said she was getting a ride back to the hotel. But as a friend and we are on in a new place I woulda snatched her up, 17 or not, me and my bestfriend u kidding who I know is responsible, that doesnt seem straight for her to be ok I’m going with these guys, I would find that funny and be like no lets go. But thats me

    270. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 12:14 pm

      good point Vanessa……a lot more is going on than we probably even know

      but for the Holloways to be suing Aruba now? It shows they think it’s a coverup

    271. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:14 pm

      I agree – the students are being very careful what they say and I agree that the girl speaking seems to be at best a casual friend of NH and certainly not in her inner circle. MOM – I think they are quite because they do not want anything to be misinterpreted by the news media. i am certain NH is a great girl but let’s be honest no one is perfect and I think this is what they are trying to avoid, if one of these kids got talking and sdaid 100 great things about NH and one slightly negative thing – the negative thing is going to get all the attention.

    272. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 12:16 pm

      It doesn’t matter if Natalee was a good girl or a promiscuous girl….she did not deserve what happened to her.

    273. cancon on June 21st, 2005 12:16 pm

      what a silly statement blaming Aruba for Natalee’s situation

      do you stop going to LA because the investigative team and the prosecution and the jury failed to convict OJ Simpson, I don’t think so…….

      lest we forget LA’s forensic team screwed up enough to give OJ an out….

    274. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:17 pm

      from what people who have actually travelled there have said, there really wouldn’t be a need to search messageboards and event calendars to know when a ‘new shipment’ was coming in. teenage tourists are down there all the time for them to go looking for naive girls.

    275. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:17 pm

      excellent point.

    276. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:17 pm

      Vanessa – Is your thought the friends are protecting NH and maybe she was into some things that maybe she should not have been into, drugs for example?

    277. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 12:17 pm

      the anti-white jury is what let OJ off! Let’s get real here! the OJ jury was anti-cop and prejudiced against whites…most now say they feel OJ was guilty


    278. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 12:18 pm


      As I said last week, the first rule of thumb when you want to cover your but is BLAME IT ON “DE BLOCK MON”! Yes that was a SHAME to blame two guys that had never met Natalee!

    279. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:18 pm

      fyi Leopard…

      AIDS does not cause Cirrhosis. AIDS can certainly be another underlying factor (as the immune system cannot fight the disease aka Cirrhosis) The causes of Cirrhosis are:

      Years of alcohol abuse and/or long-term use of drugs (both of which O’Toole did for years).

      Just some info/background. Let’s move along!!!

    280. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:19 pm

      i agree LQueen, she didnt deserve anything and you know what I dont blame her if she did talk a drink or 2, b/c when I first got out of high school I was curious and i wanted to let loose and I think that was what she was doing but maybe not the smart way, but I wasnt there so i dont know, but I know all of us at that point when we left high school and out of our parents jusridiction, we wanted to do as much as possible.

    281. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 12:19 pm

      Regarding the girl who was interviewed – if it’s the same girl I saw last week – she said she asked Natalee if she was okay, and Natalee said yes. What would make her ask that?

    282. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:19 pm

      I don’t think that is the point, what she did or didn’t do is completely irrelavant, I agree. I just think that with not much going on right now the news would be quick to pick up on any little negative comment and run with it.

    283. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:19 pm

      i think they are suing not because their daughter was lost in aruba. i think they are suing because they are being told by aruban police that they are doing all they can to find their daughter and prosecute her kidnappers. but beth knows that isn’t happening at all and wants restitution.

      when do the texans get there by the way?

    284. leopardqueen on June 21st, 2005 12:19 pm

      Yes, in Juran’s case he tried to place the blame on the 2 poor black guys. That is a disgrace.

    285. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 12:20 pm

      Let us not forget the 40 something man who loves to share his bed with young boys…and the jury who found him innocent on all counts….WHAT A JOKE!!!

    286. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:20 pm

      PKTBK…Sounds like prejustice exists in the land of SUN & FUN…Blame it on a poor black nobody..I’m white by the way ,but I thought this when those two black men were paraded around..their poor family members crying ..I remember that Mother wailing..and then we see, or I should say DON’T SEE the rich white boys being humilated like they were..This is disgusting and I still say its a cover up…

    287. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:20 pm

      Trisher – excellent point – why would you ask – unless you thought something was up? I thought the same thing.

    288. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:21 pm

      Kat agree whenever ppl like that get in trouble the first ppl they point on are minorities, look at the run away bride. Its always happening and ppl are so quick to judge

    289. scaredshitless on June 21st, 2005 12:21 pm

      ARuba sucks….goodbye for now

    290. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:21 pm

      I agree with you. There HAS to be much more to this case. Which is why, no doubt…Natalee’s family has turned to legal counsel for answers!

    291. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:22 pm

      snippy, and their parents are not nearly as defensive as the security guards were. strange.

      you’re right vanessa! what a joke that whole episode was. i understand it’s hard to prove a molestation, but look at all the other things he could have been given charges for!!

    292. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 12:22 pm

      Thanks again crs. I’m full of thoughts.

    293. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:23 pm

      ladyja-i was thinking that too about the runaway bride. mexicans in a van got her? puh-leeze.

    294. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:23 pm

      Well I wouldnt say that something was going on, ok if it was my freind again she wouldnt be in that car, and no it wasnt the same girl, however, if u see a person that is on a trip with u and they are leaving with someone else, and your concerned, the question u ask is are u ok, will u be ok.

    295. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:24 pm

      One things for sure…Whacko Jacko is definitely guilty of:

      Being one weird dude!!! As Bookayasha (another poster) recently put it. LOL :)

    296. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:24 pm

      Trisher – I tend to think a number of the kids probably took some kind of drug that night maybe x or something and that is why she asked. Everyone – Don’t waste your time posting if you need to say something stupid like let’s not blame NH or the friends, I don’t – this is for discussion.

    297. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:25 pm

      oops! That’s BOOYAKSHA (I think)

    298. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:25 pm

      Did the civil rights jusry just want to get home or what – yesterday they were crying they could not reach a verdict after an hour of deliberation and I just heard they came back guilty.

    299. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:25 pm

      I know its always like that, it was a black man in a uniform, so they released them are u serious, and thats y they are in the predicament of loosing business, b/c of judging ppl not b/c ur black ur a murderer, i mean anyone could be one and thats what sheding to light now

    300. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 12:26 pm

      crs – Well, I think they were all at least semi-drunk. No teen in that state is of a totally sound mind and body. No person for that matter
      None of them should be held responsible for another’s behavior. Natalee did not have luck on her side.

    301. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 12:26 pm

      a very weird dude indeed.

    302. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 12:27 pm

      I am feeling the love on the board at last…….we can all agree to disagree, and at the end of the day we’re back to where we started; confused and bewildered.

    303. kristin on June 21st, 2005 12:27 pm

      too bad we cant chat online, it’s easier than scrolling through all these posts!

    304. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:27 pm

      Guess it was a compromise, for not being hung on a Murder Rap….

      Don’t know much far as evidence.

    305. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 12:28 pm

      Michael Jackson is surgically being transformed into a Disney character

    306. ydave on June 21st, 2005 12:28 pm

      Well Beth is suing to get access to information police collected during their investigation. But the Aruba judge is not going to consider that lawsuit, until after someone has been indicted. For fear it will jeopardize the whole case.

      So the lawsuit is just a waste of money.

    307. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:28 pm

      I blame them, i know ppl have a mind of their own, but as a friend in a situation like that thats where I step in, im sorry. Have yall thought of the fact maybe some of her friends didnt care for her and maybe wanted to get rid of her too, you know in some sense jealous b/c she was popluar, im just putting that out there

    308. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 12:29 pm

      Oh come on lady.
      Even been near drunk?

    309. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:29 pm

      Off topic…The Wacko Jurors were Star Stuck as were the OJ Jurors, The Robert Blake Jurors…I followed the Wacko case…read everything about the Perv from matter how rich you are you don’t pay off some kid 25 million dollars..Had Wacko been innocent he could have fought that case in 1994 for less…MEMO TO SELF..never follow a Celebrity Trial..They Moonwalk every time.

    310. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:29 pm

      the suite is a waste which is sad

    311. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:29 pm

      the suite is a waste which is sad

    312. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 12:29 pm

      i know vanessa, now i do not feel on guard…I was actually afraid to come up for air….

    313. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:30 pm

      Wooo – that is strong that the friends wanted to get rid of her.

    314. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:30 pm

      Booyakasha!!! I was just talking about you!!! Hehehe

    315. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 12:30 pm

      Just hears something that I have seen a couple of places but just received from a source; NH has been kidnapped, is alive, somewhere in SA, proly Colombia. The family also knows this, US gov’t also. JvdS has nothing to do with this, Kalpoe bros are way over their head in this. Family creates offense to Aruba to cover this.

    316. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 12:31 pm

      Does anyone know if it is facutal that Joran attempted to commit suicide yesterday?

    317. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:31 pm

      SS and leopard were bringing a very negative vibe.

    318. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:31 pm

      Even near drunk, listen allot of ppl say they dont know whats going on when they are drunk thats a total lie, I have been and I can tell u everything that happened, that is why when yall go out, there is always that one person who doesnt go crazy drinking, but the girl who spoke said natatlee ha a drink, that cant do nothing to her, I dont care drunk or not, they shoulda told her not to go.

    319. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:32 pm

      Checkme – i can’t argue with you – you have been right too often since this started – let’s hope this is true.

    320. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:33 pm

      Checkme, where did u hear that

    321. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 12:33 pm

      Hearing that Van der Slut Jr. possibly tried to take his life, do you guys think he’s close to cracking? I wonder how they are interrogating them…there’s GOT to be SOMETHING the police, Joren’s mom..Natalee’s mom..Mr. Twitty…gotta be something one of them can do or say to them to get Joran or one of the other scum’s to crack..

    322. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:34 pm

      I dont think he did, and I havent heard it, if he did, then he is scared

    323. ydave on June 21st, 2005 12:34 pm

      Checkme, you want to shift the blame to other governments, and other people. A good distraction.

    324. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 12:35 pm

      Ally I was wondering the same thing – are these reports of his attempted suicide coming from the same guards that scared us & claimed one of the boys confessed to killing her? I dont trust anything that comes out of their (Aruban authorities) mouths right now..

    325. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:35 pm

      ydave – checkme has been correct a lot so far so i would dismiss what he says. What does he have to gain?

    326. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:36 pm

      ydave – checkme has been correct a lot so far so i would not dismiss what he says. What does he have to gain?

    327. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:36 pm

      Is that what is being said down there? If so, why haven’t the press jumped on it?

    328. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:37 pm

      ydave…Don’t want to call Checkme a liar but I agree with you…Why would Kid Van Der Sleaze keep changing his story..why would the two Brothers keep changing their story..they know where Natalie is..thats my opinion for what its worth

    329. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:38 pm

      What has checkme been right with

    330. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:38 pm

      Not speaking for checkme I would think they would keep it a secret to try and get her back as they would not want the kidnappers to know they know.

    331. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:39 pm

      Has anyone heard any news from Aruba girl?

    332. ydave on June 21st, 2005 12:39 pm

      What does he have to gain? Aruba officials and citizens want the whole world to believe Aruba is the safest country in the world: just one murder and six rapes.

    333. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 12:40 pm

      I find EVERYTHING hard to believe. Won’t believe it until Natalee’s family shares it.

      I appreciate any info…but my guard is up now..thanx to the arubian ‘officials’.

    334. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:40 pm

      Checkme knew about the fourth arrest a day ahead, he also knew that the Croes character was friends with the Kalpoes not Joran as was reported by our media. He has been right on a few other things too.

    335. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:40 pm

      I agree, they all have something to do with it, b/c I know I am not going to lie to the police to cover for a friend, and if he is found guilty I go down with him for something I didnt do, so if I know I ddint have nothing to do with her I would say it, but if i did, then like Kalpoe kid said they met at Vds house and agreed that is what they are going to say, and i doubt VDS threatened them.

    336. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:41 pm

      Ydave -this is a small online community – so if checkme was lying what would he do convert five people.

    337. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:42 pm

      is he in Aruba?? Checkme that is how we know he doesnt have nothing to do with it

    338. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:42 pm

      Im just kidding on that

    339. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:42 pm

      crs..Well, the secret is out…and if thats the buzz in Aruba don’t ya think they know all…? Why would Natalee’s Mother keep saying Van Der Sleaze and the Brothers know exactly what happened that night? Why would the Holloway’s get that team from Texas to search for Ntalee if they thought she was in South doesn’t make sense..but, I guess anything is possible.

    340. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:43 pm

      excellent point..

      snippy–maybe the 3 or 4 saw her being kidnapped, didn’t report it right away and are now not sure what to do. I have a 6 year old and when she lies, she tells a few other stories before finally giving me the truth. ;)

    341. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:43 pm

      I dont think the mother knows allot she admits, they dont tell her allot, that is y she is suing them, so that maybe a question of her being in sud america

    342. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:44 pm

      Snippy – i agree it may be a longshot on what checkme says but it is entirely possible.

    343. kristin on June 21st, 2005 12:44 pm

      You know, I bet she is kidnapped….and everyone DOES know, but they are being threatened. I bet that whoever has Natalee is telling the family that she is alive and well, and that if they say ANYTHING to the press they will kill her. That would explain why Natalee’s mother keeps saying that she can’t comment on certain things. I bet the three of them all know where she is, and it’s all going to come out soon. I can see us all watching the story on it all….if it’s true, Natalee will never be the same. I am so scared for her. Nice graduation trip.

    344. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 12:45 pm

      BhamNativeGirl Says- i dont know where those reports came from..but people keep talking about it.

      Checkme–i pray this is true….

    345. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 12:46 pm

      CRS is right. Checkme told us two days before it happened about the Steve Croes arrest anf the Lorenzo Van Sijn questioning. Also told us from the beginning that Deepak, the cool, calm, calculating Kalpoe has more responsibility than it seemed.

    346. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:46 pm

      Snip – I have gotten a vibe from the locals all along that they honestly believe NH to be alive.

    347. Kris on June 21st, 2005 12:47 pm

      I am not disagreeing with CRS or checkme. He/she has been right, I know. I hope once again he/she is.

    348. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:47 pm

      Could be ..BUT, do you think a search and rescue team is going to go down to Aruba from Texas on a Wild Goose Chase..that they are part of the KEEP QUIET and do a search anyway team..I don’t think so.

    349. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:48 pm

      Now that I think about this…I think Greta may have gotten wind of this theory – last night she asked NH’s mom if they had recieved any calls for a ransom.

    350. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 12:49 pm

      The Search team may be going there to follow the path to where she is actually being held! That would be good news.

    351. kristin on June 21st, 2005 12:51 pm

      Well, if they called the search and rescue team, it looks like a good cover up. They can’t just sit in Aruba and do NOTHING, it would look bad to everyone else. Obviously Natalee’s mother cares about what she looks like. She always dresses nice and putsmakeup on for the camera, and she’s smiling all the time. I don’t think I could pull that off. She’s an upscale woman and she cares about what people think of her. God, what if this was all planned out? Why didn’t she dissapear before? Why the LAST night? It just seems to be so thought out to me.

    352. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:51 pm

      is checkme in aruba

    353. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:51 pm

      Snip – I don’t know – I am asking this – did NH’s family ask this group to come down? If no – again – the family could not let this out in hopes of getting NH back. I nfact, I seem to remember NH’s mom saying that it was nice the Texas group was coming but there was little they could do – also it seems somewhat odd that the mom seems to not be out on Aruba as often.

    354. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:52 pm

      kristin i thought about that y the last night

    355. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:53 pm

      Checkme is in Aruba, yes. And if not, he has some great connections.

    356. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 12:54 pm

      crs – Do you know that he is for sure in Aruba?

    357. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:54 pm

      hmm, cool, well i just want this girl to return safely home, that would be good if he is right

    358. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 12:55 pm

      I copied this from the website about that Texas Team going down to Aruba

      You will find our organization to be compassionate, dedicated and professional. We believe that we can better ourselves by working together to help the community and people in need. Many of our members are trained in various rescue and life saving skills such as CPR, advanced lifesaving skills and field craft. Our members come from all walks of life. We have business owners, medics, firefighters, housewives, electricians and students on our team. Our resources range from horse and rider teams to foot searchers, water (divers, boats) air (planes, helicopters), dog teams (air scent, cadaver and tracking) and 4×4′s. We have also utilized infared cameras in some of our searches.

    359. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 12:55 pm

      I have not seen Checkme respond back since he made his post a few minutes ago…is that how he/she was with the last information that he gave…just wondering??

    360. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 12:55 pm

      I predict that at least two of the detainees will be released this week.

    361. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:55 pm

      trisher he has to be somewhere close to give the first insights

    362. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:55 pm

      Trisher – there is no way to know for sure but he did say before that he is in aruba.

    363. kristin on June 21st, 2005 12:56 pm

      Have we heard anything new? I feel like it’s the same story over and over again. Nothing ever new!!!! Like, I want to hear that they found something, or one of the boys confessed something!!! SOMETHING. What if this case goes on for YEARS??? Hell, it’s already been a month by the end of this week. :(

    364. crs on June 21st, 2005 12:57 pm

      Checkme does tend to give the facts and then disappear but he will respond to questions sometimes.

    365. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 12:57 pm

      where is checkme is he on still, not to say he is, how are we so sure that he doesnt have nething to do wth this if he has so much info, again not saying he is , nobody else have these info except the police, i dont get it

    366. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 12:58 pm

      Thanks for responding, crs…

    367. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 1:00 pm

      CRS- CHECKME said that”Family creates offense to Aruba to cover this.” …have you figured out what that statement means..? Is he saying the one of the families has committed a crime to show to the Aruban Polis that they should keep their mouths shut—like maybe the decapitated victim that they found recently? What are your thoughts? Anyone else?

    368. Treehouse on June 21st, 2005 1:01 pm

      If Natalee willingly left Carlos N’ Charlie’s with Joran V., and if she planned to have sex with him, why would they have needed to go to a “lover’s lane”? She had a hotel room. He lived on his own in an apartment attached to his parent’s home. Either place would have provided adequate privacy.

      Perhaps planning to have sex is not the right terminology. Realizing that one’s actions are leading up to sex is not necessarily the same as planning; one is active, the other is passive.

      So, Natalee leaves with Joran with no conscious decision to have sex. She, with stars in her eyes and knowing that she is leaving the island the next day, just wants to prolong the endorphins that are firing in her brain. On the ride, the sexual heat is turned up for both Natalee and Joran.

      Is this a matter only between the two of them? Are the Kalpoe brothers sitting in the front of the car, slightly embarrassed, slightly intrigued, by what is going on in the back seat? Or do they know that Joran will eventually share?

      Natalee perhaps realizes that she wants to have sex with Joran. What happens if she is suddenly confronted with the fact that her “lover” is perfectly okay with sharing her with his friends? Does she get upset? Combative? Does it take a little force to make her play nice?

      If Natalee was killed, accidentally or otherwise, what was done with her body? If friend Steve was called to help dispose of the body in the ocean, how did they transport it to a boat? The car has yielded no forensic evidence, has it? Could they have totally erased all evidence? Does Aruba have, and use, adequate crime scene data gathering tools and techniques?

      Did Joran enlist his father’s help? Surely, his father would have instructed Joran’s mother to tell Joran to keep his mouth shut. If Joran, and the Kalpoe brothers remain silent, and no forensic evidence shows up, they will be eventually freed.

      This whole scenario seems so much more likely to me than one that Natalee was lured to sex slave traders. I believe such activities exist, and that it is not out of the realm of possibility that she could have been sold. But I think the money would have shown up by now. I also think that if this happened, Natalee would no longer be alive. If she were too hot to handle because of the news coverage, she’d have been disposed of in such a manner that we will never know what happened to her. If Joran sold her, he’ll keep his mouth shut out of fear of whomever he sold her to; if Joran, or his friends, killed her, he (or they) may confess.

      I guess I do believe that Natalee is dead, and that Joran is guilty. I have a lot of trouble seeing that an innocent (yes, to all you prudes, I did say innocent) sexual encounter between Natalee and Joran did not end in Joran escorting Natalee to her hotel room afterwards. Even casual sex, especially between younger people, creates a bond, however temporary, between a couple. At their parting, they’d have both been reluctant to let the other go, if indeed this was a case of boy meets girl, as Joran’s mother wants us to believe.

    369. kristin on June 21st, 2005 1:02 pm

      let’s just go to aruba and figure it out for ourselves…atleast we’ll get the news quicker!

    370. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:02 pm

      ALLY – I wondered about that statement as well I want to ask Checkme but he did not comeback – I think what he means is NH is offending the arubans on purpose to cover the secret she is alive and kidnapped.

    371. sandy m on June 21st, 2005 1:03 pm

      where are all the girls that joran supposedly talked to on the computer and romanced while they were in aruba–did anything happen to them–how did he treat them–why don’t they come forward? it might help the case if people that know all these boys speak out on how they are and how the families are. where are the brothers’ family? no one ever hears anything. are they even on the island?

    372. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 1:03 pm

      Well, you can only go by the track record. I don’t think that if Checkme were in on this, he/she would be predicting next steps as she/he has. On the contrary, he/she would misinform.

    373. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 1:04 pm

      OOoh he is so secretive. Maybe he’s on RiehlWorld View too. I’ll look.

    374. ydave on June 21st, 2005 1:05 pm

      I said before that Aruban officials have drawn three hypotheses in the beginning of their investigation:

      -She was murdered by two black guys,
      -She accidentally drowned,
      -She was removed from the island and sold as slave in a different country.

      When they arrested Steve Croes, i knew they were going for the third hypothesis. If Natalee is dead, Aruban officials will make sure the body is never found on the island, and will suggest theories, and certainly blame it on the kalpoes (not the dutch boy). It will hurt their economy if the body is found.

    375. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 1:05 pm

      I agree Sandy M…..

      Why haven’t we heard from any character witnesses in regards to how these boys interact with other people on a daily basis??

    376. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:05 pm

      Treehouse – i think many of us agree with the scenerio you describe but I have also come to think there is more to it than that and that in fact we are dealing with something much more sinister and complex here. I think if it was a rape/murder that this would be over now.

    377. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 1:06 pm

      In case you are still there. I read in SMonkey’s Discussion Forum that Lorenzo Van Rijn is also a son of Paul VDS. Can you confirm, deny????

    378. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:06 pm

      does neone knows joran site

    379. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:07 pm

      who is Lorenzo

    380. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:11 pm

      Sandy – I think the fact the no one has come forward may support the fact that this was not a rape/murder involving Joran – i would think even if someone did not want to admit this happened to them that their conscience would weigh on them to say Joran preciously raped me.

    381. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:12 pm

      Joran’s site is no longer up but if you do a google search for joran you can find a lot of what was on his site – people copied a lot of it before it was taken down.

    382. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 1:13 pm

      CRS—Thanks—okay, i think your interpretation made more sense than mine….. :-)

    383. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:14 pm

      who is Lorenzo

    384. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:15 pm

      Has anyone else noticed Geraldo is “on assignment” and no one knows where he is….is it possilbe NH’s family is giving him an exclusive about all of this?

    385. bjgerald01 on June 21st, 2005 1:15 pm

      Hi, I really haven’t gotten so involved in something like this before; however, my heart breaks for the parents of this girl. I pray that Natalie will b e found aliv e, even if sold by the Dutch slime buckets into prostitution; innocent people don’t behave so evasi vely; I have two sons, if one of them was involved in any such behavior, I would do everything I could to assist the parents of the girl who has gone missing; this is the human nature of a parent. If the V DS are so certain their son is innocent, why not do everything they can to try and help Natalie’s parents find their daughter.
      Why are they so closed mouthed in protecting their son if he had nothing to do with her disappearance? In my estimation, they know their son is involved, whether he actually is responsible for Natalie’s disappearance, he knows where she is. My reaction to them would be to help your young son become a responsible citizen, spend time in prison for his part in this, and possibly come out a different person; one that knows the difference between what is and isn’t acceptable in life that his parents’ didn’t take the time to instill in him. It isn’t always easy for parents to be disliked by their children when they lay down rules to teach their kids; God made us parents to instill the right thing to do in raising our kids. We can still be there for our kids in spite of some mistakes they make; but they must learn from their mistakes, otherwise it will only become compounded when they have their own children. I think the Vander Sloots can help their son by telling the truth; he is a young man who can learn from his grave mistakes, and become a better citizen in his middle age.

      I love Aruba, have vacationed there many times, and find it such a peaceful area. However, perhaps it is the privileged people that arrive from Holland, etc. that have dirtied it up. My advice to the VDS, make a man of your son, let him admit what he did, his life will be finished if he gets off scott free from this crime he obviously played a big part in anyway; would you rather he be found innocent and people that will carry a grudge will possibly make him suffer more than his time in prison will carry.

      I pray for both families, I hope that Natalie is found alive, and her family can rest with the suffering she has gone through and can help her deal with. Also, I pray that the VDS are strong enough to teach their son a lesson by letting him pay for his sins, and when he is released from prison , he can become a roll model that can counsel others what not to do.

      Sometimes life seems unfair, but to allow someone, even one of our children to get away with such a crime doesn’t make good parents; we have to teach our children the right thing to do whether they shoplift a box of crayons from a store or are involved in a crime the likes of which the young VDS IS OBviously guilty of. Why else would parents not join together to help find a person who obv iously was a “friend” of their child? I somehow think the Aruban police have their hands tied when it comes to investigating the crimes of a Dutch Citizen; how unfair is this? Perhaps we should be contacting the Holland (dutch) Government to get results.

      Thanks, BHG

    386. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 1:16 pm

      Lorenzo who, ladyja?

    387. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:16 pm

      Jake – I know you work for a tv station – if you come back on here – have you heard any rumours of this sort in the media community.

    388. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 1:18 pm

      Lorenzo is a friend of Steve Croes, the Kalpoes and Joran, that was broght in for questioning along with Max Arends, after Steve Croes was detained. For more info, check Brqaking News #10 and #11, at the discussion forum. There is also information on these guys at

    389. Kris on June 21st, 2005 1:19 pm

      There was another person questioned and then released. I believe that this is lorenzo, rujor has it that it is Joran’s 1/2 brother. Paul VDS had an affair prior to his marriage with Joran’s mother and Lorenzo was the outcome of that affair.
      I think that is what I read somewhere

    390. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:19 pm

      Why does the MSM talk so little about Lorenzo and Max?

    391. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:21 pm

      word so when Mrs twitty said that there would be more arrests she meant the other 2, I didnt know that 2 wrere questioned

    392. kristin on June 21st, 2005 1:22 pm

      on the riehl world’swebsite they state that a source from aruba said that joran had wires attached to him with some sort of cream, and the questioning wouldcontinue. they also said that the stories were changing, but they can’t confirm or deny them. one story was that they took natalee to the beach and she became hysterical, and they went back to get her and she was gone. here, look for yourself:
      A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.

      Addtionally, it was stated that it is possible that the youngest Kalpoe, Satish may even be released as it is thought he might not have as direct a connection to events as some others. That has not been confirmed with another source at this time.

      I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again – suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

      As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or are alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.

      Update: Forgot to mention that it was also relayed to me that Joran v d Sloot would not join the two Kalpoe brothers at the prison, but would remain where he is being held. When I asked if that was because of his status as a minor, there was no clear answer. It was suggested that it could be that, or that it was so his questioning could be continued.

    393. tideroller on June 21st, 2005 1:23 pm

      So many keep asking why she got in the car – I’m recalling some things now that came out in the first reports. Her friends said she got in a taxi. I have since read that the taxis look just like regular cars. Could it be that Joran offered to “help her get a taxi” that turned out to be his taxi-driver looking friends, the Kalpoes. Islanders say it’s common knowledge that Croes dealed in “roofies”. I follow the theory that a “roofie” was slipped into her drink at C’n'C’s. That also supplies Croes with a motive to help in hiding a body, to cover his own hide, too. I have thought and expressed to family members that from Moment One I thought Papa Van der Slut was involved in this. Would like confirmation on the 3 am rendevous

    394. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 1:23 pm

      just a thought–maybe the Holloways do know what is going on and check me is right. If Natalie is alive in South America she would continue to be alive, as long as they believe that we are still blaming the Arubans and these boys of murder. They have been recently even more elusive about this case. If the South Americans have observed via media and “networking” that we are on to them Natalie will be found dead. But as long as we are placing culpability on the wrong country….they feel like they have gotten away with this… Please note–i still beleive that these boys were used as a vehicle for a bigger crime than we had anticipated

    395. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:25 pm

      have the texans gotten there yet?

    396. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:26 pm

      i agree ally-this is so much bigger than we think.

    397. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:26 pm

      Ally – all that is very true – this is more than a murder/rape – if that is all this was – why would Nh’s mom be so positive that more arrests are coming.

    398. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:28 pm

      So tideroller, you are saying that Croes sold drugs to the VDS kid who sliped it in her drink but if she was drug upon leaving then ppl whould have notice her faintly behavior, and I never heard anything of her getting in a taxi, b/c he friends said that they saw her with the kid she said she was ok, but then another friend last night said that natalee said she was getting a ride to the hotel, I dont know this case is confusing.

    399. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:30 pm

      Is it possible also that NH’s dad is off looking on other islands for her – we never see him – it is always beth and jug.

    400. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:31 pm

      Her dad has been on

    401. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 1:32 pm

      PKTBK and CRS–this all makes so much more sense (Check me’s statements)..think about it..They have found absolutely no forensic evidence in this case..They are unable to find Natalee’s body or any other evidence b/c she is not there.

    402. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:32 pm

      lol jug sorry.

      we need more news coverage!!!!

    403. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:33 pm

      ally-so true! all the possible physical evidence they find turns out to be nothing at all. hmmm….

    404. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:34 pm

      ALLY – I totally agree – I think checkme is really onto something here. Too many questions being asked and far too many people being questioned as this point for it to be what we orignally suspected.

    405. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 1:36 pm

      ladyJA: the friend said she was going with to go back with another group of students that were walking back to the motel……….she never said she was leaving with VDS..he was just standing beside her, not saying anything.

    406. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:36 pm

      I think the Geraldo deal is very possible – he was all gung-ho – he promised Beth he would stay and help find the daughter – then he is gone on special assignment – I think he was given an exclusive on the story.

    407. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:37 pm

      Have you read the latest article from FOX News, pls do, also, I didnt know that the mother saw the boy and showed him Natalee’s pic and say I want my daughter and his response was what do you want me to do?? What do yall get from that? is it saying he has no clue?

    408. AllyinMiami on June 21st, 2005 1:37 pm

      okay, guys…I am off; I have a meeting at 2 and I have to prepare (although, i much rather be bloggin’ with all of u ;-)

      Hopefully, I will see you all here tomorrow and I pray that we will know more about this case…xoxo

    409. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:38 pm

      I think he was just defensive as anyone would be if someone was accusing them of aducting and possibly murdering their daughter.

    410. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 1:38 pm

      and Geraldo has vanished off the face of the planet………….hmmm; could he be going to SA in an attempt to rescue Natalee? He looks the part of a thug, that’s for sure! The last time I saw him (Geraldo), he was in Aruba doing his show. For the past week he has been MIA, with no mention of where he is….

    411. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:39 pm

      vanessa I didnt say the friend was leaving with him, I said that her friend said she said she was fine and that other friends told her Nat. said she was getting a ride back to the hotel

    412. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:39 pm

      crs-i didn’t know all that. i haven’t watched geraldo since his talk shows. we need someone who is in aruba to fill in these gaps! someone that doesn’t hate america so much it blinds them to the questions asked.

      that’s right vanessa. there were two groups of students leaving the club that night. one set walking and one set getting in a cab. she pointed towards the group walking and said ‘them’, not that boy.

    413. crs on June 21st, 2005 1:40 pm

      Exactly Vanessa – coincidence with Geraldo I think not. I think that guy has the exclusive on this deal.

    414. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:41 pm

      Ok I am lost who pointed to the groups

    415. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 1:41 pm

      No ladyJA, Natalee told her friend she was going back with “them” and pointed towards a group of other students that were enroute to the motel. get your story straight!

    416. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 1:42 pm

      crs…Lets just hope Geraldo doesn’t give it away where she’s at..Remember in Afghanistan when he let the ENEMY know where we were..LOL

    417. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:44 pm

      No the girl that came on last night didnt say that, u get ur story straight remember the first girl they interviewed didnt know natalee that well, the girl last night said she did, she said she asked Natalee if she was ok she said yes, she also said something to the extent that she didnt see her go in any car with the guy, but when they were leaving she went back to see if anyone got left behind and thats when the other group told her Natalee left.

    418. observer on June 21st, 2005 1:45 pm


      CRS – I appreciate your input on this board in trying to keep things balanced and open-minded. If she was indeed kidnapped or sold, I don’t think it was anything planned in advance. I think Juron wanted to have sex w/ her and the 2 brothers just watched. It is possible, however, that she just passed out and Juron left her on the beach, or she was kidnapped in Juron’s prescence by some bigger thugs. However, if the kidnapping theory is correct, why would the boys not say that straightforward and instead sacrifise their own butts? These kids are in the prime of their lives and don’t want to spend the rest of it in jail. If they truly did not directly harm her, why not say that.

    419. rem05 on June 21st, 2005 1:45 pm

      Could be Geraldo’s decapitated head?? I know, that’s a sick joke!

    420. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 1:46 pm

      I would love to find out that the kidnapping story IS true and she’s alive in another country..but I am still leaning towards the whole accidental death/od theory, croes either supplies boat or drugs.. it happened at the beach so there would be no forensic evidence in the blood..and unfortunately put her somewhere never to be found – shark infested water..cave, etc…does Aruba have a landfill? If not, where is their trash disposed of? Taken off the island?

    421. cancon on June 21st, 2005 1:48 pm

      Treehouse, have you never been on vacation on an island paradise

      hello, Natalee had 3 roomates, can we say no privacy? and if your rep is a good girl and you feel like being a bad girl your last night in Aruba, you aren’t going to bring loverboy to the hotel, and lastly making out on the beach is like an rite of passage ain’t it?

    422. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 1:49 pm

      If you all remember Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her bedroom. She traveled with those kooks Wanda and her prophecy claiming husband from Idaho to San Diego and back to Idaho and was basically living above a hillside within one mile of her own home with those people, several months later Elizabeth was discovered carousing the streets. Seh was discovered by passers on the street. Those people raped her and brainwashed Elizabeth. Point being there was never any forensic evidence that placed Elizabeth as dead because her body was never found. Therefore, CHECKME just may be right. Natalee very may well be alive. Afterall, Mr. Holloway did say on the news the other day that negotiations were being laid out. God willing please let her be alive.

    423. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:50 pm

      observer-these boys may be in the prime of their lives. but they also love money and girls. if they are the runners for drugs and picking up girls for kidnapping, then i’m sure they are paid handsomely, or at least they are given some time of ‘rewards’ from the people really behind this.

      bham-she could have been dumped in those abandoned gold mines along their beaches. that scares the bejesus out of me, but it’s a possibility.

    424. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 1:52 pm

      Sorry for the delay.

      Lucy, you did get the name right this time (van Rijn versus van Sijn). He is absoluteley not related to the vdSloots. I read this too some places and it made me lol.

      I guess it’s the nature of people but the junk that gets thrown around in these rooms is incredible. The moderators are doing a fine job keeping it all in check (no pun intended)

      Many people seem to think this has to do with sex, rape and slavery. I just don’t think so.

      Have you checked back with “blogger info”? He talked about and agency called ICE and agents going through venezuela…

      CRS, you read me very well. It is incredible that there is somebody who can feel my nuances so well. Never experienced that. I always thought I was very unclear to others.

      All I do is read everything I can, listen with my ears open and try to feel/think what’s going on. I have no other agenda than pursue the Truth and let the Light shine.

    425. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 1:52 pm

      I would check out the story of Daddy Van Der Sloot picking up Joran at McDonalds. Question is, would there still be an available video tape that could corroborate him picking up his son at 3 a.m.?

    426. Dman on June 21st, 2005 1:52 pm

      The story about Natalee being left alone on the beach does fit with a comment made by a blogger a few days ago either here or @ Riehl World that stated he saw a person that fit Natalee’s discription in front of him in at the Marriott’s ATM the night she went missing. He said she was very upset and unable to get money…he further indicated that he had reported it to Marriot hotel personnel because her behavior was so distressing…he said that he observed her for about 20 minutes.

      I believe the blogger said he was from the Boston area.

    427. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 1:53 pm

      I’ve got mine straight, lady. This interview was a week ago Sunday…………. she (the girl being interviewed with a young boy) said she asked Nat if she was ok….Nat said yes. If you want, I’ll go into the archives and find it for you………………………….

    428. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:56 pm

      Vanessa I said that what u are talking about was the one previously, however there was a friend of hers on last night who was a differnet girl, y are u getting mad Im just going based on what i heard especially last night, u havent mentioned last night yet.

    429. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:58 pm

      Vanessa I saw that interview, if you read what I wrote I said the girl interviewed previously didnt know Natalee that well, i think she tutored her or something llike that, but last night I’m not sure if it was H&C but there was one girl being interviewed and that is what she said. Sorry sweetie, you havent even mentioned that.

    430. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 1:58 pm

      vanessa-was this the same girl that stated that natalee was speaking fine? meaning she did not appear to be drugged or drunk. but that she was speaking in short sentences, not like herself.

    431. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 1:59 pm

      NO it wasnt, there were 2 interviews, and two different girls, one with a boy and a girl by herself

    432. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 1:59 pm

      I’m not getting mad; sorry if it appears that way. I didn’t see an interview with a girl last night….I did however, a day or so, see a rerun of the same interview. Guess I assumed that was what you were talking about………..forgive me?? please???

    433. kristin on June 21st, 2005 2:01 pm

      Where did you find that information? That is really interesting…

    434. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 2:01 pm

      Its ok, and thats what I have been trying to explain, this girl seemed to Know Natalee a little more than the previous one, but she was so blunt I didnt like her attitude, and she said Natalee look fine, she didnt see her go in the car with the guy, but her friend told her she did and she said that she was getting a ride back to the hotel.

    435. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:02 pm

      what does it matter folks??? let’s move on…………………………this interview I’m speaking about, the girl said Nat was the reason she passed calculus…….

    436. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 2:03 pm

      Yea as I said that was the girl with the boy but another was on last night

    437. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 2:03 pm

      i wish i had cable :(

    438. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:03 pm

      so where were we??

    439. Dman on June 21st, 2005 2:04 pm

      It was a blogger comment a few days ago either @ this site or @ Riehl World..I can not remember which but those are the only sites I have been monitoring.

    440. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:04 pm

      where is geraldo i believe.

    441. rem05 on June 21st, 2005 2:07 pm

      I thought this was the same girl in the first interview with the boy. She seem to have the makeup loaded last night.

    442. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:08 pm

      about the guy from Boston who said he saw a girl that looked like Nat at an ATM machine? Wow…..maybe the “kidnappers” were making her withdraw a large amount of cash from the ATM, but she couldn’t remember the PIN # or something. Maybe the do have it on survillence tape and they haven’t released the info for her safety…….and maybe the four boys are being held as a decoy and for their safety!

    443. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 2:08 pm

      By the way, there was another person interrogated but not detained. “Bibi” Arends, another student from the ISA. No info further on that.

    444. rem05 on June 21st, 2005 2:10 pm

      You would have a paper trail if that happened at the ATM. I would think Aruban authorities would ck on that.

    445. kristin on June 21st, 2005 2:10 pm

      You know, did anyone else realize how Natalee’s mother was also like, “Oh there will be more arrests Greta, I am sure of that. There is more information that will be coming out soon.” She SO knows something….why can’t we know? There is no way she would be as calm and cool as she is. I see her losing her ‘Mrs. Nice’ attitude, but I don’t ever see her losing her cool. And did you see when she collapsed against her husband in the beginning of all this? What news do you think she found out at that point? She hasn’t lost it since….so…why??? I would be losing my mind day by day, UNLESS I knew what was going on. She knows….I know she knows. Can anyone in Aruba tell us ANYTHING???? Sorry…sooo frustrating.

    446. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:10 pm

      if she were seen by this person withdrawing money, i would hope they have the tape from the atm surviellance camera.

    447. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:12 pm

      true pktbk……..but they might not want that info to get out among the general public. and you are right kristin; Mrs. Twitty knows much more than she can tell.

    448. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 2:13 pm

      “I want to see the police record from May 30th,” said Holloway Twitty, who has insisted the three young men hold the key to the investigation and that authorities should press them harder to tell the truth.

      Croes, the attorney general’s spokeswoman, said a judge would not rule on such a suit until any suspects were indicted.

      - What do the boys have to do to be indicted? How long will that take? Sorry if it was answered in a previous post – too impatient to read back that far!

    449. rem05 on June 21st, 2005 2:13 pm

      Kristin – I agree, she has a better feeling this week than last week when she was interviewed, I hope that she is cooperating with aruba and playing along to expose
      something bigger.

    450. Dman on June 21st, 2005 2:14 pm

      The blogger that made the comment said she was unable to get money after repeated attempts.

    451. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 2:14 pm

      Here a thought to ponder..Geraldo missing and Natalie’s real Dad..haven’t seen either in a couple of weeks..we do see on TV..Nat’s Mother, StepMother and Stepfather speaking and her Aunt….Maybe Nats Dad is with Geraldo…I read much earlier that her Dad was out searching everyday…

    452. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:15 pm

      the texas search team is only going to be there for five days. interesting.

    453. Big Pappy on June 21st, 2005 2:16 pm

      Can you imagine? Actual location and situation known and crack team of black ops heading there? JVdS held in prison and innocent and fine, details slowly released about his harsh interrogation though “he’s stopped talking, tried to take his life, being hooked up with wires” meanwhile, mother goes on a nightly Greta tour flip-flopping from “they are making progress” to “this is outrageous” and in the last few days seeming way more calm than a mother at 3+ weeks should be, shock or no shock. I do think it’s odd watching her mother, you can almost see that she knows more than she says and can tell she wants to say more. Not incredibly far fetched to think that the FBI is way more involved than what we think and that they could be feeding her and the media a regularly scheduled diet of false leads and innuendo to keep her daughter alive.

    454. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:17 pm

      Dman: maybe she was too upset to punch in the correct pin # cause she, at that time, was in the hands of the kidnappers.

    455. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 2:18 pm

      There were (and still are) many accusations towards the Aruba justice system as being discriminating against classes. My thought now is what about NH’s family using it’s status to force such an expenditure to “find” NH. Don’t get me wrong, I think every list child/person should get this attention. But I do not believe that a “lower class” child/person in the States gets as much attention as NH. That is a form of class discrimination. The Dutch (I believe) go overboard often to ensure that there is no discimination going on, reverse discrimination. The States has the same. Somebody screems “Racial profiling” or “discrimination” everybody jumps and starts working. I guess my point is to shed some light on the other side of all this name calling and hopefully open some minds. The world reflects our soul.

    456. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:19 pm

      couldn’t have said it better myself big pappy.

    457. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:19 pm

      i just read where the lawsuit the family is filing is to allow them to gain information. they will be part of the prosecution as the vicitmized party.

    458. rem05 on June 21st, 2005 2:20 pm

      Dman -It seems that an ATM machine would have some type of scan of a card even though it does not complete a transaction.

    459. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 2:22 pm

      Dont most ATM machines have video cameras on them.

    460. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 2:22 pm

      Or atleast pointing toward it.

    461. kristin on June 21st, 2005 2:22 pm

      When I went to Aruba, I had my Visa check card….never had any problems with it before. I was told I could use it in Aruba-NO problems. All of my friends could use theirs, but when I went to withdraw cash at the ATM at our hotel, the card would not work. I was sofrustrated, I kept trying it again and again. Then we went out to dinner, and I tried to put dinner on the card, it still wouldn’t work. When I got home, my bank said things like that can happen in other countries. Maybe that’s what really happened to the girl who looked like Nat?

    462. rem05 on June 21st, 2005 2:23 pm

      NativeGirl – Exactly! If this was NH, they have it.

    463. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 2:26 pm

      I saw the bloggers comments a few days ago about a girl at an ATM machine fitting NH’s description the night of her disappearance. The girl was very upset that she could not withdraw money and appeared scared and upset at an ATM in the Marriott. The man who witnessed this was from Boston.

      Beth Twitty is getting daily updates from the US FBI however, she cannot comment to the media about any new developments as to not interfere with any progress on the investigation. What information she is getting is more lies and changing of stories abd this is the families reason for filing a lawsuit. The FBI is in the room with the Aruban authorities on each and every interrogation from each suspect. This is exactly why the mom says there will be more arrests.

    464. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:27 pm

      I’m sure the checked the surveillence cameras to see if that was her….and if it was in fact her, the theory of a kidnapping comes into play. maybe they also saw the man/men standing around waiting for her to complete the transaction. they won’t release it because they don’t want the public to know it was an abduction until they can get Natalee away from them. does it not make perfect sense? but then again, think back to the elizabeth smart case……all of america had the men in her family involved in some kind of homosexual ring.

    465. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 2:28 pm

      fashion Queen…where are you???? Can I wear a silk earth tone ascott with my new Bobby Trendy vest?? Please advise

    466. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:30 pm

      LOL vanessa-i had forgotten about that!!! all the dad’s brothers were in on it!

      if she is kidnapped, leaking out that they know could cause her captors to get rid of her quick. so i guess i can see where showing all their cards could cause more problems than help.

    467. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 2:31 pm


      Holloway’s friends to hold fund-raising cookout to aid search

      Friends of Natalee Holloway are throwing a fund-raising cookout at noon today at the Mountain Brook Community Church on U.S. 280.

      Proceeds from the hourlong event will go toward the cost of the search for the missing teen, who disappeared on a trip to Aruba more than three weeks ago. Fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School who were also on the trip are hosting the event, said Marcia Twitty, Holloway’s aunt.

      “Some of Natalee’s buddies on the trip wanted to do this, and they’ll probably do things like this until Natalee’s home,” she said.

      Aruban authorities are still searching for Holloway, who missed her flight back to Birmingham on May 30.

      The community will gather at 1 p.m. for a prayer service after the cookout.

      There is also a fund set up for the recovery effort. To contribute, go to any AmSouth bank or mail to Natalee Holloway Trust, AmSouth Bank, P.O. Box 11426, Birmingham, AL 35202. Specify on the check that the donation is for the search effort.

      Members of Holloway’s family have said they are overwhelmed by the outpouring of support.

      “Everybody wants to help, and little things like this make people feel like they’re contributing,” Twitty said. “If we come together as a community, we can find more of these missing children.”

      Hannah Wolfson

    468. Dman on June 21st, 2005 2:31 pm

      We have no way of telling if the bloggers comments to Hotel workers were followed up on.

      I would hope that given all the discussion about the Marriott being where she was in proximity to that night…that the authorities would have reviewed the Marriott’s cameras as well…but I am not getting the impression they are running a very high tech investigation they seem to be relying mainly on people to confess when they are confronted with facts or stories that do not match.

    469. Big Pappy on June 21st, 2005 2:32 pm

      Who said Geraldo is in an unnamed location? Is that being reported on TV? Is he broadcasting at a special time tonight or something?

      I ask those questions reluctantly, cause I still have a bad taste in my mouth from Capone’s vault. Geraldo can be such a tool.

    470. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:36 pm

      the texas search team is funded by donations. i wonder if that’s where part of that money goes? her family requested they come out.

    471. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 2:36 pm

      If anyone wants to send the family a card (I’m sure every little ounce of support means the world to them) – you can send it to:

      Twitty Family
      c/o Youth Ministries Dept. @ Mountain Brook Community Church
      3001 Highway 280 East
      Birmingham, AL 35243

    472. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 2:37 pm

      I would like to hear from americaninaruba. News is always right on point with him/her.

    473. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:37 pm

      pure speculation big pappy. he hasn’t been seen in over a week.

    474. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 2:38 pm

      Big Pappy..I ask where he was early on this morning about WHERE IS GERALDO…I watched him a couple of weeks ago on his show talking with Beth Holloway and he promised her he would to all he could..well, he went missing..hasn’t even hosted his own show on the week-ends…SO, we are speculating where he is..I do know his YOUNG WIFE is expecting a Baby..Don’t know when its due though…

    475. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 2:43 pm

      Beth Twitty..sorry, I get the Twitty’s mixed up with the Holloways…

    476. observer on June 21st, 2005 2:43 pm

      Checkme and CRS: The kidnapping thing seems plausible if we believe what one of the Kalpoe brothers said in jail..that something bad happened to her and they thought she would just show up on a beach or crackhouse in a couple days. But if that’s the case, why make up stories (and blame the 2 security guards initially). Why do the Kalpoes say they dropped Juron off w/ NH first and Juron insists that he was dropped off first and that the brothers left w/ the Kalpoes. If they merely handed her over to the kidanappers, or let the kidnappers take her, they could easily have said that ‘some thugs’ got here. There would be no reason for them to change their stories around. Or is there?

    477. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 2:45 pm


      I’m here….just monitoring what’s being posted…..gosh you make me laugh…LOLLOLLOLLOL..about the ascott and the vest….sounds very fashionable to me!!

    478. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:47 pm

      observer-i think the boys would not want to point fingers at the actual people they handed her over to because they would have worse repercusions out of jail than in it.

    479. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 2:47 pm

      I just got back so know we are talking of a possibility of kidnapping I dont believe, that like observer said y would they point the finger if that is what happened

    480. Jake on June 21st, 2005 2:52 pm

      Natalee died in the hands of Joran. She overdosed on a drug given to her by the boys. They believe that Croes sold them the drugs. News of all this will break soon, i believe that the Kalpoe bros. are talking. The one they haven’t been able to get the confession from is the VDS boy, that is why the Kalpoe family is so quiet.

    481. observer on June 21st, 2005 2:53 pm

      C’mon people. You think the boys would agree to remain in prison and keep changing their stories to save the kidnappers? They could easily have just said that “some bad guys” took her away from the beach. I guess they may have suggested that when they said they dropped her at the hotel and the security guards helped her up.

      But still, if a kidnapping, the polis and FBI would have some clue of it by now and the investigation would be turning differently. The parents would not be interviewed. The boat DJ would not be interviewed.

      Also, ppl here keep saying that if it’s a kidnapping, the police, authorities and FBI would not want to reveal that publicly b/c the kidnappers would know they’re on to them. Give me a break…I think these kidnappers have access to the internet and cable news as well and are tracking this case. The kidnappers know that the police may include kidnapping as a possibility (even if a small one), and the police’s incentive to keep this hush hush is not very strong.

      C’mon — use reason here.

    482. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 2:53 pm

      Maybe because they had something to do with the kidnapping..They could have witnessed it…maybe even threatened themselves…just a thought….

    483. Jake on June 21st, 2005 2:53 pm

      Utah boy found alive!

    484. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:53 pm

      has the kalpoe family been allowed to visit their boys?

    485. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 2:54 pm

      where did u get this from Jake

    486. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 2:54 pm

      Count how many lies have been told! I don’t believe there was a kidnapping. The people that hold the answer are all in jail. NH’s mother knows it and so do many others. Why would the family hire a search and rescue team from this US using horses, 6 of THEE BEST ever trained dogs and high tech sonar that has already been used to find 34 drowning victims since the owner, Tim Miller of EquuSearch started his busines after losing his daughter and authorities didn’t find her for 17 months. Unfortunately she was not alive once found. The Holloway-Twitty family just wants to take Natalee home.

    487. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 2:55 pm

      I still maintain that that group out of Texas wouldn’t have been requested by the Twitty’s and the Holloways if they thought Natalee was in South America..The cost it entails to get them and the special equipment down there is enormous

      GOOD NEWS..Seems they found that Little Utah Boy thats been missing…Fox news is reporting this…no oficail word but from the looks of the site shown people are happy and slapping each other on the back…

    488. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 2:55 pm

      Wake Up America Says:

      June 21st, 2005 at 1:30 pm
      The viewpoint that the 3 Aruban guys did something to Natalee on their own seems to be the prevalent one. However, what if other people were involved. Maybe these three guys were actually just the front-men for her abduction. Suppose they were on a scouting mission from day one — spotting her when she arrived there, and starting to befriend her in advance of her last night, in order to set her up for the abduction. On the fateful evening, they (or the bartender?) slips a date-rape drug into her drink. (Note that her friends have stated publicly in interviews on television that she wasn’t drinking much and wasn’t intoxicated when she left the bar; but Deepak Kalpoe alledgedly told one of the released security guards that Natalee “was very, very drunk”. This is consistent with her being slipped a date-rape drug at some point). She leaves with them … out to the lighthouse they go, and she vanishes without a trace.

      Maybe what really happened wasn’t about them raping her … maybe they deilivered her to other guys who were waiting at the lighthouse. Why would they do that? Maybe they received drugs in exchange, or cash for their gambling activities … Maybe they had gambling debts, and this was a way to settle them …

      And, so they delivered an incapacitated girl to the rest of the “team” that was waiting for her arrival … Her captors load her on a boat that night … and she’s gone, without a trace. The guys who took her off the island don’t care about ransoming her … she’s worth more to them as a soon-to-be-exploited sex slave … either in a bordello, or sold to a private buyer … to be kept under lock and key, and sexually abused ad infinitum …

      If this actually happened (and there is sex trafficking in the Caribbean and South America, just a stone’s throw away), then Natalee’s last night on Aruba was just the beginning of a real hell for her …

      And as far as the 3 guys in jail are concerned, this was a “business transaction”, not a rape. Maybe that’s why they can’t confess to what they did … because what they did is so shocking even by Aruban standards. And maybe they even fear the rest of the organization they were working with — that they would be targeted for reprisal, if they say what really happened.

      If these guys are really so “young and naive” as some bloggers suggest, why are they so being so uncooperative ? Maybe this whole story is a lot more sinister, and a lot bigger than we have been led to believe.

    489. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 2:56 pm


      Where was he found…Do you know???

    490. Jake on June 21st, 2005 2:56 pm


    491. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 2:56 pm

      the utah boy??? where is that on

    492. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:57 pm

      yes! they found the boy! that’s awesome!

    493. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 2:57 pm

      FOX NEWS

    494. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 2:58 pm

      where are u guys seeing that

    495. Jake on June 21st, 2005 2:59 pm

      CNN broke it, now it’s on all the stations!

    496. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 2:59 pm

      wow vanessa…..that is very interesting. i hadn’t thought about the lighthouse since the stories started to change.

    497. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 3:00 pm

      Please no more Geraldo on Aruba!!! This guy is so pushy! I mean what’s next? Geraldo in jail visiting the Kalpoe brothers, Sateesh and Deepak, and sampling their version prison style Chicken Tandoori or Curry???

    498. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 3:00 pm

      ALIVE & FOUND..Thank GOD…Lets hope a MIRACLE for Natalee

    499. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 3:02 pm

      CRS, you there? Where are you?

    500. Dutch on Aruba on June 21st, 2005 3:02 pm

      About Natalees Mom’s coolness: the flyers hangin on doors of shops and banks all over aruba say the following (what I recall, I will post exact wordings tomorrow):
      “Sweet hootie, please call mommy. Mommy is here and really wants to talk to you. If anyone has seen Natalee please call my local cel 9####. Big Hootie”

      What’s the opinion on the wordings?

      To me it seems that Mom really expected a runaway. Why? Also opening reward for her missing daughter was US 5,000. Hey: it’s your daughter, it’s not a big reward if you see where Mom came from.

      I am maybe implicating some stuff here, but hey ….. when I see the pix of Joran on the internet I get disgusted too and suppose he could be able to do very bad things to girls. No doubt about that. Just don’t judge him, because …. in the end nobody knows shit up to now. All info is retracted or corrected.

      Hope everything gets solved fast and offcourse Natalee to be alive and well.

    501. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:03 pm

      Finally some GOOD news! Woohooo!

    502. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:03 pm

      You know last night I dreamn’t one of the missings were found I dont remember dead or alive, i have been scoping through these news sites for update and now I got it, GOD is good he returned that little boy to his parents.

    503. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 3:05 pm


      I have noticed that lunch timers go off the board at times that correspond with the geographical area they live in. Maybe good ol CRS is at lunch.

    504. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 3:05 pm

      My thoughts exactly Dutch. If this family is so wealthy, the reward would be an insult… Maybe that’s why Nataly is not out yet… Sorry, that is a sick joke.

    505. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:06 pm

      I thought the reward was 50000, and who said that the Twitty’s were wealthy

    506. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 3:06 pm

      hmmm… that would place him/her in the midwest area… Colorado somewhere?

    507. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 3:07 pm

      The first reward the fmaily posted was K$5.

    508. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:08 pm

      Does anyone know where they found the little boy was he injured, is he sick?

    509. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:08 pm


    510. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:08 pm

      Checkme – so Colorado is in the Midwest?

    511. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:09 pm

      Dutch – is that really what the flyers say? “hootie” and “big hootie?”

    512. Jake on June 21st, 2005 3:10 pm

      What if Natalee’s family is using all their funds to search for their daughter!! Are Aruban people SO COLD HEARTED that they will only give information for BIG $$$$$. They haven’t been able to work in 3 weeks!!!!!

    513. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:10 pm

      Who cares what the flyers say, and we dont know how much money these ppl have, hey maybe she thought someone who knew of it, would be in need of 5 not thinking ppl would want more, but it is now raised so we can move on from that

    514. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:11 pm

      Excuse me for asking a question. Gees you can be bitchy

    515. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:13 pm

      I totally agree, Aruba is so concerned about their economy decreasing, if yall really want to help the economy, find the girl and get more stern on those boys, who cares what she offered, a girl is missing here

    516. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:13 pm

      I believe hootie was Natalee’s nickname.

    517. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:14 pm

      My bad Trisher I didnt mean that for u

    518. fashionqueen on June 21st, 2005 3:14 pm

      Here is a piece of an article that I got from Fox News and I find it very odd that she really hasn’t spoken with any of the people that was with Natalee on the trip…it would seem like every event leading up to when she went missing would be just as important…Any thoughts on this??? Please read below:

      VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to any of her friends that saw her on May 30 because she left Carlos and Charlie’s?

      TWITTY: Not in person. I really have not.

      VAN SUSTEREN: It’s just sort of a normal teenagers out having fun, nothing unusual?

      TWITTY: Absolutely, Greta.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Did she ever see these three young men before that day?

      TWITTY: Not to my knowledge, Greta.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So the first time she ever saw them, at least as far as you know, was that May 30, that night.

      TWITTY: And I have very limited knowledge on that. We really haven’t spent too much time on that, since we knew who the individuals were. We were just concentrating on picking up that trail and going forward.

      VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, everyone’s focused so much on these three. Do you ever have thoughts that maybe this is the wrong direction, that maybe the police should be going in another direction?

      TWITTY: Oh, absolutely not. I just think it’s going to even increase from the direction that it’s taking now.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So you have no doubt in your mind these three are the ones, they know.

      TWITTY: I have absolutely no doubt at all.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Is it evidence or is it a mother’s intuition?

      TWITTY: I think that the moment we arrived on the island and when we were in contact with these individuals, from May 31, from 1:00 AM to 4:00 AM, I knew immediately. I knew immediately.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Have you personal contact with them?

      TWITTY: Oh, yes.

      VAN SUSTEREN: What did they say to you?

      TWITTY: Well, it was very limited, but when the Van der Sloot young man approached the vehicle that I was seated in, he had the most condescending, arrogant, somewhat powerful attitude of any 17-year-old male I have ever seen.

      VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say?

      TWITTY: When he approached the car, I was holding a picture of Natalee. And I said, I want my daughter. I want her now. And he just threw his head back and hit his chest, and he said, What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?

      VAN SUSTEREN: Beth, thank you.

      TWITTY: Thank you, Greta.

    519. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:14 pm

      i would think the family is going pretty broke this long away from their jobs.

    520. Dutch on Aruba on June 21st, 2005 3:15 pm

      Trisher, I will personally take a picture, and post it somewhere tomorrow.
      I don’t know the exact wordings, as I tried to remember them more or less when I went for lunch to a Subway 2 hours ago. The words Hootie and Big Hootie were opening and closing words, referring probably to Nataly and Mom respectively.
      The big picture on the flyer is not a picture of Nataly in the clothes she was wearing (so not the beachpic you see everywhere) but a more closeup picture of Natalee with her Mom.

      Picture tomorrow, or I will even walk out my office right now to take a pic at the bank.

    521. observer on June 21st, 2005 3:15 pm

      Who cares what the initial reward was? Maybe it was only 5K b/c they did not know of the severity of the situation then.

      Also, ppl keep asking whether NH correspondence w. Juron before she got to the island. Again, what relevance does this have to her dissapearance?

      Where are the locals? Can we get more of them on here?

    522. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 3:15 pm

      There is a combined reward of $50,000. Contributors are the family, Aruba, the State of Alabama and other Alabama privately owned firms.

      As I said earlier, the family’s life has been turned upside down over this and I am quite sure bills are piling up. Thank God the family has jobs that are completely understanding of the circumstances at hand.

    523. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:16 pm

      I was just being curious and trying to understand all that I can. I’m very visual. I have a need to picture stuff. Thanks Bham – that’s what I thought too, but I didn’t know about the Big Hootie.

    524. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 3:16 pm

      uhhh, no, that would be West. Houston time zone? Just trying to figure out where CRS may be taking his/her lunch.

    525. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:17 pm

      joran is such a jerk.

    526. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:18 pm

      pktbk do u know Joran?

    527. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:18 pm

      Do you have some scoop for him checkme?? You can tell us & we’ll pass it on. We are all crs’es friends:o)

    528. Kris on June 21st, 2005 3:22 pm

      Here is a link to the story about the Utah boy..

    529. Jake on June 21st, 2005 3:22 pm

      think about this for a minute:

      If Natalee was sold to slavery by the 3 boys and Croes, this would have to be their FIRST victim. NOBODY else has come forward saying that something similar has happened to them.

    530. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:22 pm

      Thanks Dutch
      I can wait until tomorrow.
      Checkme – It’s 2:22 in the Midwest, so he could be in Colorado.

    531. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:23 pm

      lady-no, but everyone that has came forward to vouch for his personality…he’s not someone i would want to deal with.

      i do have a question though. what are the odds that some of the first people the hollaway family meet are the suspects? out of everyone on the island, joran approaches her car?

    532. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 3:23 pm

      I have become curious about CRS. Who is he/she? Why would he/she have you relay info while he/she can converse in the open? Are investigative agents at work here?

    533. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:24 pm

      Jake: possibly the others prior to Natalee have not been able to come forward because they are still being held against their will. Like the girl who has been missing since 1998!

    534. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:24 pm

      jake-no one has come forward, because i’m sure no one gets out of there alive.

      women in other countries are forced to be sex slaves. i have heard stories of them jumping out of windows to kill themselves because that’s the only way out.

    535. Dutch on Aruba on June 21st, 2005 3:25 pm

      Like Thrisher I wanna understand as much as possible.

      I am just browsing the web to find out more about the rumours, there are many. Eg she ran away (several times?) before (supposedly said by her dad or stephdad). Joran did bad things at school (previous or the current one where his mother also works). The sex slave industry seems to be bs. And so on.
      All this is pretty much bothering me.

      It would be good to have some people on this blog that actually know these guys and some that know Natalee.
      Somehow the source of the rumours is never there.

      One of the surinam brothers worked in an internet cafe and someone I know personally said he was a very nice guy. But then again, he’s at work, attending clients.

      Keep the info rollin

    536. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:27 pm

      you tell me, checkme………anything is possible now isn’t it?

    537. Kris on June 21st, 2005 3:27 pm
    538. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 3:27 pm

      Don’t miss greta tonight..she and Beth Twitty went to Van der Sleaze’s house…was invited in and spent 90 mintes talking to them..WOW…

    539. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:27 pm

      This is frustrating, does anybody know what happened to this girl i feel it as if she were my sister.

    540. Jake on June 21st, 2005 3:28 pm

      vanessa-i mean a first for these 3 guys. They couldn’t have been involved in the 1998 kidnapping case, Joran would have been 10yrs old/

    541. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:29 pm

      Are there any more blog sites that are as informative as this one?

    542. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:30 pm

      I know what you mean ladyJA.
      Jake-who knows
      Checkme-what message do you want me to relay to crs?

    543. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 3:30 pm

      Dutch on Aruba:

      Nice guys commit crimes too. Also, yes investigators do look at blogs. Especially our FBI from the US. One never knows where criminals lurk and everybody has to be careful.

    544. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:31 pm

      WOW where did u see that snippy what time does Greta come on at 10 or 11 i cant remember I cant miss that, and who is that guy that is always with her, the guy from Aruba that is, i like him he seems helpful.

    545. Jake on June 21st, 2005 3:32 pm

      Snippy – where did u get that info? (about B Twitty going to the VDS house tonight on Greta

    546. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 3:33 pm

      A book deal is already in the works for Joran: “Life Behind Bars as Ricardo’s Bitch”

    547. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:34 pm

      Greta comes on at 10

    548. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:34 pm

      Greta comes on at 10

    549. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:34 pm

      LOL Boo..

    550. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 3:35 pm

      Greta talked with Shep Smith about it on his show as he is talking about the found Utah Boy..I thought I was hearing things but its true..Greta comes on at 7PT…My time..I assume that would be 9 Eastern…I think Eastern time is also Aruba time too..Seems beth & Greta were outside Van Der Sleazes house and was yelling to talk to them..they actually let them in..should be some show.

    551. Dutch on Aruba on June 21st, 2005 3:35 pm

      1998 case (was it kidnapping?) happened while cruising from Aruba to Curacao. So maybe it happened on US soil since most cruisers are registerd in Puerto Rico.

    552. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 3:36 pm

      Left you a message yesterday, but I guess you didn’t see it. HAs the blue truck guy brought in yet? Is he Maxito???

    553. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:36 pm

      WOW thats hot and who is Ricardo?

    554. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 3:36 pm

      Sorry..I meant 10 and I believe 9 Central…

    555. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:37 pm

      greta is touring all the supposed spots. the cafe where the boys met, their houses. i think this will help us all out since we don’t really know how far apart all these places are.

    556. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:38 pm

      I like Greta’s show she gives us the details, and I like it that she is staying there to help, again does anyone know who that guy is with her?

    557. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:39 pm

      lady-the bald headed blue eyed man?

    558. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 3:40 pm

      I’ve been watching Fox news all morning..thats where I got the information…in between cleaning my blinds I have the TV cranked up and then I run to the puter when I hear something I want to post…right now, a News Conference should be coming up on the found child in Utah…

    559. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:40 pm

      I am in FL, what time will Greta come on here? Is it CNN? I don’t watch TV that much but I think I’ll go over to a friend’s and watch the interview..

    560. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:40 pm

      No who is that the tall guy that walks around with her, who explains the different areas

    561. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:41 pm

      Thank you Snippy for being our eyes and ears and keeping us posted. You’re the greatest!

    562. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:41 pm

      Greta is on Fox News at 10, and she goes to all these different places nat. was at, last night she was at the beach and the kalpoes house.

    563. Dutch on Aruba on June 21st, 2005 3:42 pm

      Lemme tell you all that everything is close on Aruba.
      Everything is on the south coast and west coast and there’s a good road alongside this coast. That is a maximum of 25 kilometers distance.

    564. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:42 pm

      how am i going to stay awake until ten?

    565. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:43 pm

      Greta is on at 9:00 central.

    566. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:43 pm

      Well ur gonna miss it pktbk, and Dutch what does that have to do with.

    567. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:44 pm

      BHAM: it’s Fox news (channel 33 for me) and it comes on at 10pm

    568. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 3:45 pm

      Greta lives in the DC area and she is ALWAYS on top of everything. She is an attorney and also did daily comment throughout the entire OJ Simpson case and she actually predicted that OJ would be aquitted. She is bright articulate and studies all the facts and she and her husband are highly regarded in the DC metro area. The NH story is HUGE and I am so happy she is involved in the search for Natalee.

    569. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:45 pm

      Does anyone know if we can move to a new board or something cuz this one is taking forever to reload?

    570. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:45 pm

      I feel so retarded – am I on central time?

    571. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 3:46 pm

      The other boards are like quiet! This one is awesome and that is why it takes time to refresh.

    572. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:46 pm

      Can anyone tell me, even from Aruba, who is the guy Greta goes around with????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    573. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:47 pm

      If it’s 2:47 there you are.

    574. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:47 pm

      Ok Kat
      Bham you’re not retarded – just time challenged.

    575. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 3:47 pm

      bham-florida is eastern time. so the show will be on at ten. you can call and wake me up so i can watch it!

    576. Jake on June 21st, 2005 3:48 pm

      The guy that Greta goes around with is Ricardo.

    577. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:48 pm

      I really just meant to a new place on this board cuz there are so many comments here that it keeps taking longer and longer. I don’t know the correct wording. Dutch – I’m gonna wait for that pic tomorrow.

    578. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:49 pm

      Lady, is he a tall thin man with black hair and always has a long sleeved shirt with a tie on?

    579. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:49 pm

      OK its 3:49 here so I guess Greta will be on around 10 my time. CNN?

    580. New York on June 21st, 2005 3:50 pm

      Do you think Geraldo is “on location” in Venezuela?? I heard someone say that on Sunday…

    581. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:50 pm

      correct on the time (10pm)…….Not CNN, FOX!!

    582. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:51 pm

      Who is Ricardo, is he well known on the island, he seems nice

    583. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:52 pm

      vanessa thats Trapenburg i think he is the spokesperson for the gov. im talking the one that walks around with her, they are now telling me its ricardo but who is he,a nd y does he know so much.

    584. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 3:52 pm

      OH NO…..Not more Geraldo!

    585. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 3:53 pm

      THANKS , Vanessa

    586. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 3:55 pm

      Jake:::::::: who is Ricardo or anyone else???????????????????

    587. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 3:56 pm

      anytime, bham……..

    588. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 3:59 pm

      Maybe Dutch knows who Ricardo is – but he’s probably out taking the picture of the poster for me. :)

    589. Snippy on June 21st, 2005 4:00 pm

      Guess Fox news is getting E-mails saying..Send the search team that found the missing Utah boy to Aruba…Sounds good to me…

    590. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:02 pm

      lol that’s funny….four days compared to ten… wouldn’t hurt anything at this point.

    591. KatCall on June 21st, 2005 4:02 pm



      Laci Peterson went missing from Dec 24 to April 18 and nobody suggested to boycot California.

      Scott Peterson was not arrested until Laci’s body were found.

      Why the killer (s) of Natalee is been more agressively pursued than Scott Peterson was?
      Can somebody explain why Aruba, the Aruban Police and the Dutch should be held at a higher standard than the Modesto, CA Police and the FBI?

      Could it be that we are unable to see our own faults/short comings and are quick to point fingers at foreigners and strangers?

      Its a crime as any other, you can spin it around as much as you want, its no diffrent.


      do not know who you are and why you are even comparing the Scott Peterson case to this case of Natalee. If you even bothered to follow the case of Peterson then you know that. Obviously you did not. You can try to spin it the way “you” want but it does not jive. These boys “know” what happened.
      These are boys. Scott was a man. SCOTT preplanned the whole thing he did.There is a lot of difference here and if you would take the time and look at the facts you would know that.
      Now, crawl back into the hole you came out of and
      get a life.!

      Just thought I’d pep this blog up for a moment! KAT

    592. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:07 pm

      That was de Rijn.

    593. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:07 pm

      That was the van Rijn guy.

    594. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:08 pm

      drama central i see. i think her being to term pregnant had a big factor in the urgency to find her. then his stupid butt dying his hair and running to mexico with a large amount of cash on him…a little different.

    595. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:09 pm
    596. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 4:10 pm

      check me who is Robert that walks with Greta

    597. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:13 pm

      Greta is Great. She respects the facts. Dutch is right. There are none known to us.

    598. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:14 pm

      There seems to be something strange going on in Noord… no further info yet.

    599. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:16 pm

      what makes you say that, checkme?

    600. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 4:18 pm

      Rumor has it that Greta Van Susteren and that tall Aruban guy she’s hanging out with have been doing the Aruban Mambo….. horizontal that is.

    601. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:18 pm

      About the brutal murder of the van Heyningen guy a couple of days ago, this is the type of consequence one can expect if they mess with the kind of people that may be involved with NH’s disappearance. His throat was cut, splattering blood and flesh all over the inside of his house. After that, they dumped his body in a cemetery.

    602. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:20 pm

      and that’s why these boys aren’t talking. life in jail is better than ratting on these people and getting out.

    603. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 4:21 pm

      Why is that death linked with Natalee and Checkme who is the guy with Greta, and what is Noord??

    604. Jake on June 21st, 2005 4:21 pm

      who is van Heyningen ??

    605. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 4:22 pm

      What’s going on in Noord, Checkme?

    606. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:22 pm


      No I did not receive your message to me. Sorry for that. hope you can find the answer a couple of minutes ago. But no it was not Max. Max was the “A”. Man, this island is being tore up because of this thing…

    607. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 4:23 pm

      Checkme…..can you please provide more details??????? You said throat was cut and flesh was spilled inside the house; any organs…..pancreas, liver….for crying out loud…..easy now!!

    608. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:24 pm

      You better be careful checkme!

    609. ladyJA on June 21st, 2005 4:25 pm

      Y is Max the A man, check me ur killing me here gimmi straight y was dude death involved with NH and what Noord, talk to me pls, let us know the press doesnt.

    610. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:27 pm

      It’s a completly seperate incident.

    611. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:28 pm

      pktbk, exactly my thoughts. But they would not even be safe in jail for these guys.

      ladyJA, it’s not linked. I mentioned it because it may be. I don’t think so. But people, do you have any idea what happens in SA? In Colombia? The world there is not even close to what you hear of on TV. It’s all very close to this place. Why do you think we want to remain closely tied with Holland? Not because we like them, but because they are our protectors. Remember the Falklands? Jeez…

    612. Jake on June 21st, 2005 4:29 pm

      I think Checkme is Joran’s little brother. He is trying to throw us off track!!!!!!!

    613. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:30 pm

      Sorry Vanes, didn’t mean to schock.


    614. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:31 pm

      Is it really bad in SA & COlumbia? Wow – I had no idea. If anything good comes out of the Natalee Holloway case, maybe it has opened our eyes here in the US. Wow checkme………..I had no idea. If you don’t mind me asking, are you male or female?

    615. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 4:31 pm

      No….checkme’s working for the POLIS….they have the same track record

    616. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:32 pm

      Yeah right… lol.

      CRS, tell me, how come you understood me so well? Honestly, it threw me off a bit…

    617. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:33 pm

      when i think of colombia i think of cocaine. i hear a lot about that coming out of there. south america is just as bad.

    618. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 4:35 pm

      Checkme – crs has been “out to lunch” for a couple of hours.

    619. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:36 pm

      Vanessa, don’t blow smoke up my … You know exaclty what’s going on in that and other countries, all under the veil of democracy. I think Aruba should be commended to uphold the law in this crazy area of the world. The Arubans choose to have the Law as it is over here and are very proud about that fact. Not even Holland can meddle in our internal affairs here. We can accept (and want) assistance, but always under our own direction.

    620. Jake on June 21st, 2005 4:37 pm

      Check me – i was just kidding. :)

    621. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:39 pm

      My back hurts from all of this.

    622. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:39 pm

      Is your real name “Ricardo”?

    623. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 4:40 pm

      Checkme do you live in Aruba? where?

    624. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:40 pm

      just kidding, Ricardo…

    625. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:40 pm

      bham-funny cause my chest stays tight when i’m on here. it’s so stressful!

    626. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:40 pm

      You have hurt my feelings….. I wasn’t blowing smoke up your ***. I honestly have no clue what goes on past our borders. Forgive me for caring about you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      I don’t even know you, yet I am concerned! Why don’t you educate me instead of making remarks like that! GEEZ………………..

    627. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:42 pm

      well pktbk, my feelings hurt when i’m on here……..

    628. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:42 pm

      “Noord” is an area in Aruba. It’s the residential area North of the palm beach, the strip with all the hotels. Traditionally the fishermen lived there but that is a long gone era. I heard on the radio that there has been “suspicious movements” going on there, that the radio knows about but cannot divulge, certainly fueling more speculation. However, we do need to pay attention because they tend to be right. I can conclude that the authorities have tight control over the media here.

    629. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:43 pm

      i had no clue venezuala and aruba were so close togethere. we all can’t be sociology and geography experts. and i don’t catch every news story regarding colombia, so i can see how someone wouldn’t really know.

    630. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:44 pm

      pktbk, Back is hurting and my work is slacking from all of this! Once again I say no wonder Natalee’s mom has lost 10 lbs, I think she looks very good considering the circumstances – if it were me, I’d be 20 lbs thinner and bald from pulling my hair out..and my teeth would probably be gone from all of the anxious teeth grinding I’d be doing…

    631. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:45 pm

      lol sorry vanessa. you have to have your guard up in here. it’s easy to get offended when you don’t have to be face to face with people on here. anything goes.

    632. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:45 pm

      ROTFLMAO Bham

    633. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 4:45 pm

      Noord……wow!! can you give us your phone number, address, and any bank routing and credit card numbers???

    634. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:45 pm

      Vanessa, please, don’t act like that, how old are you? Why are you asking me if I am male/female? You have not been paying attention. Ask CRS, he/she will be able to tell you my gender. Where are you from? Do you really want to know about this area of the world? Why are you reading these blogs? How come you know you care for me?

    635. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:46 pm
    636. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:46 pm

      i’d be 20 lbs heavier from all the comfort food i would be consuming worrying if she were my daughter. she wouldn’t recognize me when we found her.

    637. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:48 pm

      check me-she doesn’t want to marry you. she’s just asking you a question. you aren’t curious to know about the people you talk to on here? what part of the world they are in?

    638. pktbk on June 21st, 2005 4:49 pm

      whoa momma! beth is going to talk to joran’s parents? that’s a catfight in the making!

    639. Jake on June 21st, 2005 4:49 pm

      Checkme-are you a doctor?

    640. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:49 pm

      Let’s just say I’m over 40………….why am I asking? Just curious I guess. I must not have been paying attention…..I am from South Dakota………I do really want to know, otherwise I would not be asking………I am reading for the same reason everyone else is. How do I know I care for you? Because of what you posted earlier…you are a human being with feelings and thoughts and you obviously have a heart, otherwise you would not be posting to keep us informed. Anything else?

    641. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:51 pm


      lol, I know, I may have been a little rough on her. Vanessa, what would you like to know? I will see if I can answer.

    642. Dutch on Aruba on June 21st, 2005 4:51 pm

      Colombia IS South America.

      The north west coast of South america is covered by Colombia and Venezuela directly east of it. Aruba is 30 miles from the coast of Venezuela, pretty close to the border between Venezuela and Colombia.
      East of Aruba there’s 2 islands of the Dutch Antillees (Curacao and Bonaire).

      From Colombia come: legal fruit, legal immigrants, smuggled drugs and illegal immigrants
      Aruban law provides several AML (Anti Money Laundering) regulations in order to prevent drugsmoney to be laundered. Actually I believe we cannot receive payments from Colombian banks, but they have to go through Venezuelan banks.

      Venezuela … well thats where Chavez is the president at power. He’s the one visiting Sadam Hussein in Iraq after Gulf War 1, offering asylum to Sadam and I believe to Bin Laden as well.
      Venezuelan people are really nice, but its struck by poverty after a 3 month national strike and devaluation of their bolivar. Venezuela is the US main oil supplier.
      Since everybody is keeping a close eye on Columbia, Venezuela is being used more and more, also involving the small islands of the coast. A lot of drug traficking measures have been put into place including body scanners (scanning ones body on suspicious shapes that should not be there, since people swallow the drugs in small bags)

      So, we know bad things happen and are trying to do the best we can to control it. Just like anywhere else.

    643. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:52 pm

      They already talked, last night…

    644. VANESSA on June 21st, 2005 4:52 pm

      it doesn’t matter checkme. i was just trying to get to know you a little….you have a good reputation (according to csr), that all. sorry if I pissed you off.

    645. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 4:53 pm

      “A boy that has been missing will be found in 24 hours…I think he is 11. The boy is very scared but alive.”

      IS THIS GUY FOR REAL???? I know there has been some discussion on this before…thought I’d visit his website again, since the news of the rescued cub scout….

      Fact or fiction, folks???

    646. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:54 pm
    647. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 4:54 pm

      Brian often puts that stuff up after the fact.

    648. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 4:56 pm

      The brian guy – earlier posts (from a few days ago) were saying that his time/web page codes/addresses (I dont know too much about computer lingo sorry!) did not match – that he made the predictions after they air on the news…

    649. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 4:57 pm
    650. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 4:58 pm

      Trisher & Bham:

      Thanx….I was kinda wondering. I’ll try not to be to gullable. LOL

      p.s. to Bham…thanx for the link to NH pics!

    651. observer on June 21st, 2005 5:00 pm

      Checkme – you don’t have to reveal your identity. We know that the kidnappers, drug dealers and human traffickers will be out to get you guys if you do.

      Are there any immigration lawyers on this site? How about we offer amensty to any local Aruban who discloses what kind of crap goes on there.

    652. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:02 pm


      Backround info, it is scary, on one hand, that persons whom I do not know, get to know me while I am online, on the other hand I sense some distrust. Knowing that the topic we talk about involves a young woman and an entire nation with peoples there is no doubt in my mind that we have onlookers that have agendas. However, I cannot help but share what I hear, see and know so that the world may know the Truth. That’s all. I have shared a couple of times that what happened to Joran could have happened to me many times, adolescent innocence, in a grown up world.

    653. BhamNativeGirl on June 21st, 2005 5:05 pm

      Another good site w/ pictures – I’m getting this off of riehl world..

    654. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:06 pm

      Admin, what does “Your comment is awaiting moderation” mean?

    655. Booyaksha on June 21st, 2005 5:14 pm

      it usually means that your comments are being reviewed by the FBI and Secret Service.

    656. MOMfromMO on June 21st, 2005 5:17 pm

      no worry, checkme..about the FBI & SS…Daddy VDS has bigger pull!

      Uggghhhh! I hope not.

    657. renee on June 21st, 2005 5:17 pm

      kristin–no I have been searching for this video–it was on at about 7:00 last evening.
      The girl talking was a blond girl saying that she had been to Aruba the week before and she recognized one of the suspects.

    658. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 5:20 pm

      Checkme……my friend live in Noord; Chinese guy, lives in a yellow house, two kids. You know him?

    659. GIRL on June 21st, 2005 5:23 pm


    660. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:24 pm

      LOL! Vely nice house youl fliend have. He my blothel!

    661. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:25 pm

      Who says the polis don’t know all?

    662. Trisher on June 21st, 2005 5:26 pm

      2 on a bun with flies

    663. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 5:26 pm

      No…for real!!!! I’m not making this up. You live in Noord right? If you go north passed the church and intersection…..about half a mile up the road.

    664. GIRL on June 21st, 2005 5:27 pm

      umm…the polis

    665. concerned4natalee on June 21st, 2005 5:27 pm
    666. concerned4natalee on June 21st, 2005 5:29 pm
    667. Booyakasha on June 21st, 2005 5:30 pm

      He’s known as Aruba’s Bruce Lee…he’ll randomly walk into, for example, a supermarket or assisted living facility and will just start reenacting one of those scenes from Enter The Dragon; kicking the living daylights out of twenty or more people with flying kicks and all that. It’s all crazy….

    668. GIRL on June 21st, 2005 5:30 pm

      Checkme…… you think they know everything?

    669. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:31 pm

      yes of course. But they need proof for it to stick. besides that, they need to retrieve NH.

    670. GIRL on June 21st, 2005 5:33 pm

      but if they “know all” they should know where to look. right?

    671. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:43 pm

      or where not to… when a submarine pings, she gives away her position…

    672. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:45 pm


      still did not get an answer re the “Your comment is awaiting moderation”

    673. Booyaksha on June 21st, 2005 5:50 pm

      Good night everyone!!! I love you all; you’re all a bunch of cuddly gregarious liitle teddy bears. Gotta go!

    674. GIRL on June 21st, 2005 5:52 pm

      one more thing, check me, I didn’t really keep up with this over the weekend. Didn’t the judge rule that Daddy VDS could go see baby VDS? If so, when will that take place if it hasnt already?

    675. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:52 pm

      Good nite Booyaksha. Sweet dreams.

    676. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 5:53 pm

      Judge said “no”.

    677. GIRL on June 21st, 2005 5:55 pm

      where do you think they should look next?

    678. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 6:00 pm

      The authorities are not looking for NH, at least I don’t see them looking. That makes me conclude what I have said earlier at 12:30 pm on this blog. Read it and let me know what you think.

    679. observer on June 21st, 2005 6:04 pm

      Checkme, I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean when you say you’re still waiting for an answer re “Your comment is awaiting moderation”? Did I say something objectionable that a moderator is reviewing?

      Also, how much longer until the kidnapping story becomes more public. If she’s been kidnapped, the kidnappers have their ears and eyes open and know that kidnapping is a theory and that the authorities are already on to them – thus, the incentive for the authorities to remain silent is not that strong. Why interview Juron’s dad and the boat cruise DJ if it was a kidnapping?

    680. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 6:10 pm

      Sorry observer, I thought you were the admin for this blog. I put some nice links up for Vanessa to see Aruba and some info on the island, as a kind of make up for my raw behavior towards her. The message shows those words and I do not know why.

      The msm is not very much on that story yet. Everything is focussed on the 4 detainees. For whatever reason, incuding tactical. Fact is that the prosecution/authorities are saying nothing. So for the same token, nabbers could also be thinking that authorities are not taking that seriously.

    681. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 6:11 pm

      Over 10-12 days ago, there was a spokesperson on TV from Aruba on the Nancy Grace show, which mentioned that they were investigating the option that Natalee may have been sold to SA; that she was the demanded type: young, blond, pretty and American. She was discarted quickly, when she mentioned this as a possibility. Forgot her name, white, black hair, kind of chubby, early 30′s. I’ll check to see if I can find reference to this on CNN.

    682. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 6:12 pm

      Marrianne Croes?

    683. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 6:13 pm

      This has happened before when you try to copy several links. It will work if you put them one at a time. The administrators are called Tom and Red.

    684. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 6:13 pm

      She works for the judicial authorities. Ruben works for the PM, clearly a better informer for the US msm

    685. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 6:15 pm

      Thanks Lucy, you are so helpful. I am afraid I have shooed Vanessa… I hope to be able to make up with her. I need to go, will be back in an hour or so.

    686. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 6:16 pm

      No, not Marianne. The other lady seemed a little heavier and I don’t think she wore glasses. I don’t think so. Also, Marianne is quite cautious.

    687. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 6:18 pm

      please let me know who, I have been following this story from very close and would like every bit… I ‘ll be thinking about that for the coming time…

    688. observer on June 21st, 2005 6:24 pm

      There’s a difference between (1) some thugs kidnapping and snatching her away at the beach, while the 3 kids were present, versus (2) the 3 kids knowingly selling or giving her away, which requires much more planning and sophistication that the 3 kids may have had. If anything, # 1 is more plausible, in which case the DJ and dad don’t have any real info to offer to the investigators. So the 3 kids no she was nabbed by some real bad guys but are afraid to speak up b/c they may also get killed – plausible but not realistic – can’t Juron just pin it on the kidnappers and his family flee back to Netherlands under government security?

    689. Lucy on June 21st, 2005 6:31 pm

      My apologies, I was wrong. It was not a spokesperson, but a guess on the Nancy Grace show of June 8. She was on along with Karl Penhaul (CNN Correspondent) Noraima Pietersz one of the lawyer of Mickey John, and other participants.

      The lady’s name is Debra Opri, and she is actually a Jackson Family, and what she said was:

      “OPRI: I have to tell you, I just don`t think this is a rape-murder case. I don`t. My gut is telling me this is part of a transport, a prostitution business with the country of Colombia. I hear too many stories. I know too many people who have gone down to Aruba…

      GRACE: Oh, good God, Debra, you heard a story? That is the basis of this theory? ”

    690. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 8:58 pm

      CRS, you there?

    691. Randy on June 21st, 2005 10:13 pm

      I have followed this whole ordeal both in the news and on the web. Throughout the whole thing I always come to the same question. Why isn’t anyone offering a lie detector test to the 4 accused boys in custody? If they are all proclaiming thier innocence why not take a lie detector test?

    692. ScaredShitless on June 21st, 2005 11:25 pm

      BECAUSE RANDY, if you were watching the news, you’d KNOW WHY…it’s not allowed by Aruban LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! geeeeesh!

    693. John Marson on June 21st, 2005 11:38 pm

      I think we should try a little psychological warfare on these suspects. We should hang beautiful pictures of Natalee, such as the one in her graduation gown, in their cells. Also articles and letters telling what a kind, wonderful person she was, how she was such a brilliant student, how proud she and her family were of her graduation, etc. Let them know what a wonderful person they destroyed. I think, if they have any conscience or humanity, they will all be sobbing in their cells.

      Of course, lie detectors and truth serum might also help. It is obvious that these juvenile delinquents know what happened to Natalee, and the police should not rest until they get the truth out of them.

    694. Treehouse on June 22nd, 2005 3:34 am

      Checkme Says:
      June 21st, 2005 at 2:18 pm
      There were (and still are) many accusations towards the Aruba justice system as being discriminating against classes. My thought now is what about NH’s family using it’s status to force such an expenditure to “find” NH. Don’t get me wrong, I think every list child/person should get this attention. But I do not believe that a “lower class” child/person in the States gets as much attention as NH.

      *** My thought now is what about NH’s family using it’s status to force such an expenditure to “find” NH. But I do not believe that a “lower class” child/person in the States gets as much attention as NH. ***

      Checkme, in one sense I agree with you. The folks from Mountain Brook do have money, connections, and status. They know who to call in order to get results. I live close enough to MB to have asked my 20 year old son if he knows Natalee. (He doesn’t.)

      On the other hand, the “States” is a big place. Different regions have different ways of dealing with issues. The Deep South has taken a bad rap, some justified, on countless social issues from the days of the American Civil War. Nevertheless, right or wrong, there is one thing you can count on from us rednecks. No matter what our social standing or economic status, when it comes to keeping, saving, getting back our own, we are fearless. And that applies to mothers as much, if not more, than to anyone else. It is Beth who is driving this effort. She means what she says. She is not leaving until she finds her daughter. Money be damned.

      I am, right now, watching the amazing news coverage of Greta and Beth going into the Van der Sloot home and speaking with Joran’s parents. I hope that mother to mother this is resolved with good result to both families. It won’t bother me at all if this turns out to be another “runaway bride” case. Natalee can do community service for the next 100 years if she has been hiding out, and her parents can take out a loan for an amount equal to, or greater than, the Aruban GNP to pay the legal fees and defamation of character lawsuits, as long as, Natalee comes back home safe.

      Greta is amazing. I think she is going to get to the bottom of this while Geraldo is still trying to pull on his wellies and find his Indiana Jones hat.

    695. molly on June 22nd, 2005 1:29 pm

      Equusearch is from the Houston area. Actually, they are south of Houston. Frequently, they are called in for difficult searches. It is not a good sign, particularly, that they have been called in because they often find bodies, not living people. However, they have also found missing kids. The head of the organization was interviewed on Houston news. He said that he didn’t have high hopes of finding Natalee alive. This is based on his previous experience, I’m sure. Their work is supported by donations. Equusearch lets the public know when they need more money for a search. Aruba will likely be an expensive trip.

      I agree with a whole bunch of you that this situation is a lot more complicated and evil than is being let on. With no disrespect to the good people of the Carribean, there is a lot of ‘traffic’ that goes on down there, of all kinds.

    696. Myst on June 22nd, 2005 4:03 pm

      Boycott Aruba?, Why don’t we boycott the Whole world

    697. Chris Anderson on June 22nd, 2005 4:35 pm

      i am so saddened by the agony of her mother and fury of her stepfather.and my heart also goes out to her real father and stepmother. i am from hueytown alabama and feel a connection to her (natalee) in some strange way even though i dont live there anymore. it breaks my heart to see natalees pictures. she was SOO beautiful and full of promise!!! i pray all the time that God will send her home. if there are ways i (we) can make donations to the family, will you please post it?let us all make it our mission to bring natalee home!!!and pray for Gods wrath on the slimeball punks who are responsible!!!

    698. molly on June 22nd, 2005 7:28 pm

      I’m still looking for ways to donate to Natalee’s family. Here is the info to donate to the Texas Equusearch.

      Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team

      P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, TX 77539

    699. sharine on June 28th, 2005 10:45 pm

      I believe Beth Holloway is a fake. Don’t you guys see. She is a calm and cool, she is not in the least as devastated as she pretends to be. There is a lot more going on here than people think. This is not just a case of a missing girl. These boys are being set up and the parents of Natalee Holloway know more than they make people believe. It seems that Natallee has pulled this dissappearing act before somewhere in Costa Rica. You will see that I am notwrong. I don’t believe Beth Holloway. I feel she is a fake. A fake and the truth will come out.
      She and her husband took a cabdriver to a faroff place on the island and asked the cabdriver to turn off her lights, she (Beth Holloway) acted very misteriously. Anyway the police are keeping a close on the Holloway family, you will all see.

    700. karen pinion moore on July 5th, 2005 12:38 pm

      I believe we should all try to do as, beth holloway twitty, has as, that is boycott aruba, write to the dutch embassy, demand answers and action, demand of the dutch government to ask for help from the US FBI. i pray every day for natalee and her family. thank you, karen j pinion-moore

    701. Ricardo on July 5th, 2005 4:23 pm

      What the hell kind of parent allows a teen to go off to an island to get drunk, take drugs, and have sex with multiple partners? I pray every day the news starts reporting the real crimes of this world. Like a phoney war that has already killed tens of thousands.

    702. Lizi on July 6th, 2005 7:56 am

      I get very annoyed at all Americans would want to ‘demand’ the dutch government anything. Maybe you all should have a good look at the Dutch legal system and it’s history. And as for the FBI, if a Dutch/Aruban person in the US gets missing, we do not demand the US government to get Dutch help.
      The investigation is still going on and it’s a difficult case. In the Netherlands a suspect is innocent untill proven guilty, and I thought you Americans believed that as well. No body is found yet, and it isn’t clear what happened that night either. Why do all you people think you know the truth? I’d stay: stop harming the Aruban tourism industry with dumb and false statements and start showing some respect to other countries (with different legal systems, where people DO respect human rights and where people DON’T let their emotions get in the way of judgement).

      Of course I feel for the mother of the missing girl. She must me going through hell. But acting the way she does now, doesn’t help anyone. On the contrary.

    703. Ginger Whaley on July 15th, 2005 5:24 pm

      Mrs. Hollaway,
      May God be with you…..My heart is heavy for all of you….I’m from the Birmingham area…I pray for Natalee to come home….God will work on all involved in her missing….I know there is so much you don’t know….Just remember God has a plan….I know we don’t see right now…..E-mail me…Mrs. Holloway if you would like….I’m here for you….God Bless you in your….in your search for your girl…..Sincerely your sister in Christ….Ginger

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