RSSTranscripts From Greta’s Interview With Natalee’s Friends
From Fox News, “On the Record”, GRETA VAN SUSTEREN interviews Natalee’s two two of Natalee’s best friends, Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay. The transcript to the interview can be found here. Video of the interview is also available (upper right).
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VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you?MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.
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VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?MCVAY: He didn’t. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn’t flirting. He wasn’t really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.
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VAN SUSTEREN: How is it, Ruth, that both Joran and Natalee both ended up at Carlos and Charlie’s?MCVAY: He came with his friends. He had told us that night that Sunday was not a fun night on the island and that no one goes out. So we found it ironic that he showed up.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Ruth, did you actually see Natalee leave with Joran from Carlos and Charlie’s?MCVAY: No, I actually left an hour before the club closed.
VAN SUSTEREN: Either one of you, do you know if any of your friends saw her leave with him?
BYRD: No. If one of our good friends had seen her, we would never have let her get in the car with him, ever. Absolutely not.
VAN SUSTEREN: Frances, when you left Carlos and Charlie’s, was it just Natalee that was left behind in your group of friends, or was there a bunch of you?
BYRD: No, I don’t know how many people exactly, but there was a lot of people there at closing time, including the local people and all the other people that were in Carlos and Charlie’s that night. And when we all left, there was just a huge group of people waiting outside for taxis, and I never saw her get into that taxi.
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Kristin/Lucy,
Let me know when u r here…
What is it you inquire?
i am here
I guess I am just lost from the discussion everyone was having before…about the 5th suspect thing, and you seemed to understand what Simian was saying.
and i am sorry, i am not lucy, i read it quick and when you had said lucy-i thought you WERE lucy. sorry!
OK Kristin, what don’t you understand?
can you explain the 5th suspect issue? they think there is another man involved in this who did something with natalee?
Hi you two. Kristen, that 5th suspect idea came from someone else on that board.
Simian said the 5th suspect was someone else who Natalee was seeing earlier in the trip.
It sure is quiet out here. Thought I could have an informing evening with Kristin, while nancy Grace is BS’n with NH’s father…
This is for CRS and others of course.
I must say, they play the part very well. How come I just don’t believe them. Proly because I know what I know. Especially when I hear NH’s Mom talk I get this very strong feeling that she knows exactly what is going on but is not allowed to divulge. Otherwise she would have given up. She was an emotional wreck in the first week. The second week there was not much of her anywhere. But since last week my feelings were being reinforced more and more…
I’ll leave. You can be alone with Kristin.
van Rijn, blue van with lots of grafitti and very big speaker on board…
thought you could have an informing night with me? i am the one who wants all the info…sorry to dissapoint you!
NO Tisher!!! DON’T FEEL YOU HAVE TO LEAVE! That’s ridicilous. Stay.
Kristin, exactly, and I will be doing the informing (you)…
i said the same thing about natalee’s mother. let me find the post i found before!
Hi everybody, was watching Nancy Grace. Mr. Holloway was on. He said Steve Croes was detained because initially he was brought in for questioning and he declared that he saw Joran, Deepak and Satish leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn. He stated that as that story crumbled, then he obviously lied to cover-up something, thus becoming a suspect.
Mr. Holloway also said, at Nancy’s request, that he thinks when Mrs. Twitty says that other individuals should be questioned, she refers to Mr. Van Der Sloot.
thanks check me, you are sooo nice and i LOVE reading your posts!
I don’t know much but am willing to try and give you as much as I can.
this is what i said yesterday:
kristin Says:
June 21st, 2005 at 2:10 pm
You know, did anyone else realize how Natalee’s mother was also like, “Oh there will be more arrests Greta, I am sure of that. There is more information that will be coming out soon.” She SO knows something….why can’t we know? There is no way she would be as calm and cool as she is. I see her losing her ‘Mrs. Nice’ attitude, but I don’t ever see her losing her cool. And did you see when she collapsed against her husband in the beginning of all this? What news do you think she found out at that point? She hasn’t lost it since….so…why??? I would be losing my mind day by day, UNLESS I knew what was going on. She knows….I know she knows.
did you see BillO’reilly talking to alan colmes who is on the island?
alan made a remark about rumors about natalee running away on an island once before & bill quickly told him NOT to spread rumors…
ok so, what was simeon saying about the 5th suspect and someone having an alibi and all that stuff? AND why can’t you type the word ca$ino? it won’t let you….try it, and hit submit comment.
scared-
everyone is saying that she ran away before…..what i dont get is WHY would she run away? on an island with her parents? someone said puerto rico or something…and no one seems to be able to comment on it. also, i am sending you a link to that flyer that someone else commented on. it’s interesting.
maybe the Lord is helping Mrs Holloway-Twitty stay calm & focused as she IS a woman of faith
Checkme
So, if your gut feeling is right, and they know much more than we think, what are they waiting for? Do you think they know what the location is? Are they trying to negotiate something with some organization or person? Why the cover-up of the cover-up?
kristin…it could be a rumor that got started
i also heard Natalee DID NOT run away before. a lie that gets started has quick feet and can run fast
Who is Nancy Grace and what channel is she on?
36000 victims, jeeezzz, this all happening in th US? I guess that’s stuff for another blog,
Kristin,
She did not run. However, her parents did play with that scenario as you could see on the poster Dutch provided for you. I have seen these posters around the island also and found them very strange. Just like the initial reward amount.
Lucy,
Just had a HUGE mango, sorry but I just wanted to tease you a little…
This is a very sad story! All seniors from high school just want to have fun! Natalee is beautiful and very smart! Something happenned bad! Yes, we all know, something BAD happenned. I believe she trusted or was given something in her last drink. She thought these guys would take her to her hotel. They thought they would have some fun. I do think it was accidental. Whatever, they need to confess. The family needs closure!!!
here’s the poster…
http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg
Trisher
Nancy Grace is on now on CNN. She used to be in Court TV and for a while, during the Elizabeth Smart, Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson cases she got a lot of TV time on Larry King as a guest.
is the poster supposed to be FROM natalee herself
Trisher, which country you live in?
Lucy, that’s the correct question. The answer will lead you to the Truth. Why would somebody not do something?
Thanks Lucy. I never watched any of these shows until this past few weeks.
are you in aruba checkme???
Checkme – are you being inquisitive or sarcastic? I live in the US – Midwest.
Kristin,
Now why would NH out up a poster for her Mom? Note the wording, like Mom knows NH does not want to talk to her… Reward was written in the beginning, later versions of the poster would have an amount printed on them.
lucy, i agree with what you are assuming….i think they know whats going on, i think the government is involved, and i think natalee is alive and being held captive. the question is, did joran have anything to do with it, and if so-HOW??
looks bogus to me.
checkme,
i am saying-did the people who have natalee make that poster up? as it says i love you and miss you and i want to talk with you. why would it say that? and then say call me on my cell phone…it just seems strange to me. i didnt think natalee put that on there herself. and it also said my mom is on aruba….i dont know. maybe they want something from the parents, and this was all a plan to get her parents to come to aruba so they could get money…aren’t both parents very wealthy???
what looks bogus? The poster? It’s not.
Tisher, both. I did not mean to be harsh, I am sorry. You caught me being assuming all Americans watch CNN. Have you been in Aruba? Why your interest in this case?
Kristin, yes, I am in Aruba
Don’t be sorry. I thought it was funny. We haven’t had cable tv for long. I am interested because I am very empathetic, am a mom of 3 daughters, and can just feel the pain of the mom. They could be any family, Natalee could be anyone’s daughter.
so what is the latest rumor? that nat is in a different country? what did joran get into an argument with the alabama kids about? do we know anything about that? it’s funny how natalee’s mother says that it’s irrelevant to her whether or not she has spoken with any of the kids about that night…but country moom says that they have told natalee’s mother the truth about everything. these lies/cover-ups aren’t going to make it much longer. greta already messed up the whole going to the sloot’s house lie…because she said in her article that natalee’s mother said at 9am-lets go to their house, and then natalee’s mother said that they “ended up” in their neighborhood.
checkme, when we went to aruba in 2001, we met up with Mr. Aruba and his friends. They hung out at our hotel all week…and we became friends with them. Do you know of him or have you ever seen him? He would have been the Mr. Aruba of 2001. Just curious.
Checkme et al
Mangoes in full season here too. All types. Has anybody ever seen a movie called “10 Angry Men” with Henry Fonda? Is quite an old movie. For those who have not seen it, its about a jury that is totally convinced of a defendant’s guilt. There is a member of the jury that believes that the facts, posssibilities must be reviewed before reaching a conclusion, and this juror guides them through all the evidence, until they render a verdict of not guilty. I get the feeling this is happening to us. As we are guided and discuss possibilities, we are changing our initial convictions on this case while we discover that there is more than meets the eye.
Oh well! My question is, are we really facing a silence before the storm???
yes lucy! i read the book and saw the movie…sometimes i think joran is innocent, but then again i obviously can’t judge hin without knowing him.
this is very sad folks. Another day with no developments. In lieu of new developments, the posted laments/diatribes are truly lame. Very in-bred too, which is all the more pathetic (get a room!)
I can’t help but continue to think, extend this out, reveal no details, and these guys will walk, and the closure will be an unresolved missing person case.
Good thought Lucy. I just saw Mr. H interviewed on Hannity and Colmes. He says 8-9 more individuals? Possibly a parent involved somehow – Mr VDS? He stopped short of giving any real information. He was so cautious about what he said.
Trisher, 8-9 individuals? Oh my goodness….that’s insane.
Checkme, did we lose you?
yes, you lost me there, computer locked up… let me read and get back into this…
I think that’s what he said!
Don’t quote me yet
Thrisher
But he did mention he by name on Nancy Grace. You can check the transcript of the show on
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html
If it isn’t published yet, it will be in a while.
Dave Holloway still on Fox – he believes a crime was committed. He wants to be optimisitc. He doesn’t believe she ran off. She never ran off before except when she was 3 years old.
He said they could not commit a perfect crime. He’s trying to maintain hope. The FBI thinks foul play is involved. As a parent you have a glimmer of hope. The FBI thinks the Aruban officials are doing a good job.
Thanks for the link Lucy. It’s not up yet, but I’ll keep checking.
If they are looking in a dump in Noord, what are they looking for?
CRS and/or PKTBK—let me know when u guys are on. I am never on at night, but late night at work…don’t know if you guys blog at night as well
OOoh, just ate a fresh green grape from the grocery store – lol checkme
Does anyone else think that Natalee’s friends sound “well rehearsed”? I can’t help but think they are only regurgitating a canned response. They are so unbelievable, it’s pathetic. I am pulling for Natalee’s family 100%, but I think these girls are trying to cover up the truth about that night and maintain an image. They were all out drinking and partying and have a good time, and no one was looking out for them. They want everyone to think they were angels over there, which is highly unlikely given their ages and the whole situation. Why not just tell the truth? Heck! Most of us would be partying it up over there ourselves! This whole cover up isn’t helping Natalee.
Advancing very fast now – from El Diario Editor He gets the sense that this case will be solved very soon. Most important piece is the interrogation of the 4 guys
atheistgirl-
YES, and here’s another cover-up turning into a lie….dad says natalee KNEW joran before the night of carlos and charlies…..friend said she DIDNT meet him before carlos and charlies….other friend said they DID meet before in the casino. lies….ALLLL lies….to protect WHAT?? someone should investigate this investigation, and tell us whats REALLY going on down there….why so tight-lipped about everything? why do natalee’s family and friends have to cover up?
checkme…how’s your computer? are you sure the government isnt tapping into you and preventing you from sharing any information with us? wouldnt surprise me one bit….i’d watch out if i were you….but dont stop talking to us. if you dissapear, i am calling for help!!!!
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June 22nd, 2005 at 9:25 pm
atheistgirl-
YES, and here’s another cover-up turning into a lie….dad says natalee KNEW joran before the night of carlos and charlies…..friend said she DIDNT meet him before carlos and charlies….other friend said they DID meet before in the ca$ino. lies….ALLLL lies….to protect WHAT?? someone should investigate this investigation, and tell us whats REALLY going on down there….why so tight-lipped about everything? why do natalee’s family and friends have to cover up?
Atheist girl- I thought that they seemed well rehearsed; however, I was unable to identify/deduce whether it was a result of fear, overwhelming sadness, fabrication, or embarrassment. However, they did not seem “natural”..but i don’t know how I would react if I was ever placed in a comparable sitaution. But did you notice that the friend on the left said that Natalee appeared to look as if she was getting into a “cab”and then she recanted and said the car?..It seemed a little odd to me.
AtheistGirl – you are wrong – these are well educated teenagers – you think they sound rehearsed because you are not accustomed to intelligent teenagers. This is a well educated community. Mountain Brook High School is n exemplorary system.
I keep saying this and no one on this board listens – the only slanderous things you are hearing about Natalee comes from the boys – the ones that keep changing their story. You guys want to believe Natalee was up to no good or had a wild side because it’s juicy. That simply isn’t the truth.
I’m sorry if you need the excitement of some sinister side to Natalee but the truth is there isn’t one. No one is covering anything up. Natalee has nothing to hide – her reputation, morals and lifestyle are exemplorary. Sorry to dissappoint. Try to refrain from slanderous remarks about someone who clearly has been victimized and is unable to defend herself. You are only victimizing her even further.
I know that the cabs and cars physically are very similar looking, but I thought it was unusual that she disseminated the wrong word…especially if she has reiterated this story several times
Bham-noone is slandering Natalie..I don’t feel that she is culpable at all, she is a victim..What I was saying, and I can’t speak for atheistgirl, is that they know much more and have been coached to say what they have to not compromise the investigation.
Checkme—are u okay?
Bham, we arent trying to hurt Natalee’s reputation. No one here thinks she is a bad person. I had a similar experience when I went to Aruba myself. We went on the tattoo cruise, and were wasted, and we did the same at carlos and charlies. We just want to know why everyone is covering up whats really going on there. Why is everyone’s story different down there? Why cant you guys tell us what’s really happening? Are we ever going to find out? Even though we dont know Natalee, we all want her back safely. Like I said, a similar situation happened to me and my two friends when we went on our glass graduation trip…we got into a car with three boys when we shouldnt have. Something terrible could have happened. These boys tried to firce drugs as well as themselves on us…not a fun experience. We just want answers, as does everyone else following this horrific story.
125 kids = 125 versions of the truth
That’s not fair Nona.
Still having some IT problems here.
You know Kristin, a couple of days ago I did get a veery strong feeling that we were being “watched”. It scared me a bit. I must say, you know quite a bit now about this case. You have nearly all the pieces. And you know where it rattles.
My thoughts are that this was premeditated. From listening to the new story last night and the info that I heard. JVS called his dad to be picked up at, I believe, McDonalds at 11:00. After that he left his house to go to C&C. Why did he not just go there why he was out? I feel like he needed an alibi, if it come up, his dad could say he was home. He obviously talk to the girl’s earlier and knew they were going to C&C, because he commented that Sundays nothing much happens. He had already schemed up something. Of what I have no clue. Only speculation.
I agree the kids seem very coached. “Stepford kids” I said before. But they are also probably scared, drained, and confused. Their lives will never be the same.
Ally,
It is possible that this girl made a mistake, because she did not have the information first hand, but perhaps was repeating a “group story”.
Night everyone. I’m gonna finish watching Hannity and then Greta. Hope and pray for good news tomorrow
They may not be telling the police any more, because they may not know what happened to her.
Checkme,
You think I know a lot about this case? Really? I am close….but close to what? I just don’t know. I hope your computer is ok…I am really going to worry about you. You don’t know any of the people involved, do you? They are saying 8-9 more people need to be arrested and questioned. That seems like an awful lot. Poor natalee. Where the hell is she.
I thought the kids looked like deer in the headlights or kids in the spotlights and cameras. Oh wait they were.
Good nite Trisher.
Night Trisher—c-ya tomorrow
are you saying that i was right about them wanting natalee’s parents to come to the island? so it has to do with that????
Amanda – Joran was not supposed to go back out. He snuck out. But I agree that I think it was premeditated. If it had been “an accident” or a spur of the moment thing, he would not be as determined to “not talk” as he is. I believe this was planned. I also believe Aruba will continue to stall the case on the pretense of having to let the boys go in 116 days. Aruba gains nothing by solving the case because whatever the truth is, it’s bad for Aruba.
They can save SOME tourism by leaving it a mystery – those of us that believe there is a premeditated murder that was covered up will never go to Aruba – those that believe Natalee was a wild child that “got what she deserved” will continue to go to Aruba. If the truth is revealed, they will lose a good portion of their economic standing. Americans typically talk with their wallets.
This is the first time I’ve been to the website… but I must say I have noticed that the mother is holding up rather well now. If this were me, I think I would become more discouraged with time not so determined. I also commented the other day to a friend that if this were happening in the states… I think more information would be leaking out. It is very being kept very quietly. I mean they are holding people and cannot even really tell why or what they know. I feel so terrible for this family and the community.
Amanda, you are right.
Kristin, don’t worry about me. Worry about all our southern neighbors in SA where guns and violence wreck lives daily. All because of the drug consumption in the West. You have not answered my question yet.
Lucy–could be..i am just frustrated with this entire thing and i think now I have reduced myself to acting on intuitions of paranoid schizophrenic…I have transitioned from an objective nonpartisan person to a subjective manic…I am exhausted…I can’t imagine what her friends and family are goin through
Kristin, Checkme
I am certain this blog is being watched. So much information surfaces here, that I am sure it has to be monitored from different sources like the families, the investigators, the FBI and possibly those responsible for whatever may have been committed or taken place.
If so many people may be involved, they must be looking for what is being said “out there”. The Scaredmonkey phenomenom has been widely publicised, plus Top95/Arubadag.com lists this site as a source of information on the case.
The feeling is not just limited to those on this thread. Over at the discussion forum, there is an aruban participant, apparently quite young that has been warned to watch what she says, because she is too open and not cautious enough with her comments.
Checkme,
what question is that? do you have instant messenger…so we could chat instead of going back and forth on this thing?
are you talking about arubagirl?
I think so.
checkme–are u saying that Amanda is right b/c this crime was possibly premeditated?
Kristin,
I apolagize, now I am confusing you with Lucy… But the question still stands: “Why would somebody not do something?” (like tell the truth in this case)
checkme, what did you say before about the blue van?
lucy,
what do you mean about that person? who advised her to not say anything? authorities? what does she know?
And what of the girls saying they never saw her get into that taxi.
BYRD: No, I don’t know how many people exactly, but there was a lot of people there at closing time, including the local people and all the other people that were in Carlos and Charlie’s that night. And when we all left, there was just a huge group of people waiting outside for taxis, and I never saw her get into that taxi
AllyinMiami,
This was a setup, but not by VDS (junior or senior). But they may have been used as a veil. In that sense they are as much a victim as NH.
This just looks more and more like a puppet show to me.
Kristin, in what State are you?
massachusetts, why?
That is what I expected. He VDS was just someone that helped things along.
Can u see the moon right now?
ummm…the Deepak..this is why he were so quick to say that Joran was fondling her…so quick to say it was the security guards..so quick to talk about everything..he may be in control..or at least the one who knows more than the other two. Joran’s previous interactions with this girl could have been utilized as Deepak’s alibi?…checkme…i know of u from CRS…now I see why he stated that your input is valuable
Why would somebody not do something?
†¢There is no perceivable incentive.
†¢Insecurity: not knowing if the outcome will be favorable or not.
†¢Does not wants to leave in the open all the incriminatory facts against somebody one is trying to protect in some form.
†¢The consequences of doing something would not help achieve the strategic objective.
†¢The moment has not come.
†¢Doing something may harm alternative plans.
†¢Catch 22 situation.
Ran out of ideas here … This is a “backyard” philosophical analysis. so the corresponding details to each option are so far unknown.
Lucy, Therein lies the answer. Instead of pounding authorities, families, innocent bystanders, islanders, americans, dutch, etc, we should be aware of this strong possibility. Compassion, intelligence and assuming most people mean well, are principles we need to adhere to.
but to me it does indicate this is not a “3-boyz-booze-rape-harm-girl” scenario.
Kristin
She was saying where she lived, mentioning people by name and last name and in general being to open about the information she gave.
Ally
I read somewhere that Deepak is very calm (I think it was Mickey John’s opinion). The apology and stating that he had dropped Joran at the Marriott could very well be a way to point the finger once again. So, maybe she is in Panamaribo and not Venezuela or Colombia.
the authorities do need to eliminate any possible doubt about anybody’s innocence in this case.
Me either check me
let me look checkme, can you share any other information with us?
Just out of curiosity, Checkme, why did you mention that van Rijn’s van has a “very big speaker” on board. That seems like an odd statement. Do you mean to suggest that it would be big enough to contain a body?
did u guys just watch Joran’s mother’s interview w/Greta?
ok checkme, WHY can’t i see the moon? I just went outside and walked up and down the street…why can’t i see it? this is freaky…
Connections between SRN and COL exist of course. Up until the board rooms of European airline carriers (Air Holland for example). But I haven’t heard anything like this related to this case.
My speculation (mind you, this is pure on my own account) is that this has to do with blackmail of a very high political degree. Again, no proof, pure speculation, I hate to do this but others have speculated, I think I am allowed that luxury now also.
Kristin, You went all the way outside? Sorry for that. You should have been in Aruba then, because we have the most beautiful sight, in the South-East sky, nearly a full moon, it’s a beauty!!!
Checkme
After the developments of the last two days (our discussions), I think that yes, we have all been so overfocused on the most morbid scenario, that we have forgotten that there are other parents involved that are also so in pain, yet many of us have been so cruel at making them guilty also, while they seclude at home and do not have the opportunity to defend and protect their child.
Right at this moment, I feel such regret for precipitating myself at condemning the VDS. It was very painful and sad to see Paul and Anita on TV. Today, I did feel remorse for my thoughts and posts of a few days ago.
May God forgive us our sins.
Lucy, you are the first one to openly admit this. Whatever the outcome, the world has become better because you have gained the Light.
Cloudy in Santo Domingo, no moon tonight. Perhaps, today the light is exclusive to Aruba
Lucy-i concede. I just watched the VDS’s; and was saddened by watching Anita. I had always assumed that she would be callous and reticent. She is in true pain. I think that possibly, as times, we fail to see that there are many more victims of this crime than just Natalee
Lucy,
To whom were you referring to, when you spoke about the character Henry Fonda played?
Hello:
A few nights ago I posted asking who knew when the poster was changed from “Missing” to “Kidnapped” . I was thinking both posters were issued by the Aruban authorities.
However, my research indicates that the Holloway parents created the “Kidnapped” poster, according to Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html
I haven’t been able to pin down the exact date, but it appears it was created during the week of 6/6 to 6/13. My apologies for forgetting the name of the lady who was in Aruba that week and confirmed that the poster was changed during that time, but thanks again for the response.
This is the same week that the two security guards were arrested (6/6), the 3 boys were arrested (6/9), and the guards were released (6/13). Remember, the during this week (between 6/9 and 6/13), Deepak Kalpoe apologized to one of the security guards for falsely implicating him in the incident, according to Mr. John.
The Holloway parents have continued to investigate and have not amended the poster to read “Missing” or “Murdered” or “Suspect Murdered” or “Runaway” or anything of the sort. “Kidnapped” is very specific. Wishful thinking on their part? Perhaps, but I don’t think so. Mrs. Holloway is too cool headed and far too careful about what she does and does not share. Very impressive lady.
Bloggerinfo, where are you? I suspect you got in a little trouble for sharing that your relative (brother?) was a member of Immigration and Customs Enforcement and that that organization was focusing on Adarico in Venezuela for a search for Natalee.
El Diario also allegedly reported that it had been receiving tips that she has been seen in Venezuela. I read in one of these threads on Scared Monkeys that Fox or CNN was reporting that a cellphone call was made from someone in Venezuela claiming to be behind a car with someone matching Natalee’s description in it.
All this, and the Holloways seem to stay far away from discussing kidnapping or Venezuela, knowing that if they say too much, they could jeapordize the prosecution of suspects under Dutch law.
To me, it looks more and more like she was kidnapped, the “boys” know it, or left her somewhere where she could be kidnapped, and her parents are trying to contact, or negotiating with, those who have her. Got to be done in secret because if the kidnapper(s)’ anonymity is threatened, they have much less incentive to keep Natalee alive.
I also wonder why the boys are so reluctant to share what they know. Obviously, if they committed a crime, they do not want to confess and produce evidence against themselves. Call me crazy, but Natalee’s mom doesn’t seem to be saying that she believes that they killed her daughter or raped their daughter or even kidnapped her daughter. Instead she says she believes they know “what happened” to their daughter. Again, careful choice of words.
The poster continues to read kidnapped, and the Holloways very likely know much more than they are sharing?
I lean towards pessimism, the baser side of human nature being what it is. BUT, I have a feeling she is alive and we are talking ransom based in part on her potential value in the sex slave trade in South America.
Thoughts?
YEs checkme, I went outside in my pajamas and everything. No visable moon here.
What did you mean about the van? I know you know what’s going on. And I thank you for sharing more about this with me. Is there anything else you can say? You said you had a question that I didn’t answer?
Checkme
Earlier today, I checked on the internet the e-mail address for the ISAruba. I thought of sending Mrs. VDS a note, but only found that of Mr. Robert Werner, Headmaster. I dont’t know, maybe he can forward it to her. What do you think?
Checkme
You would be Henry, of course …
yes, SUBDUDE
I think you are right. They keep saying that the boys know what happened to Natalee, but so don’t they. They know that she’s been taken to venezuela. Everyone is saying so. Checkme…what do you think? They just cut off Natalee’s stepfather and went to commercial. He was about to say something good. Wonder why they went to commercial. This is making me sick, and I am starting to lose interest. It’s all a game and a cover-up. Pathetic.
Lucy,
Send the note to mr Werner (or Wernet?), my suggestion is also forward it to the Diario newpaper and the Awe Mainta newspaper. The Aruban people need to know there are Humans out there. No pity, just genuine compassion about the situation.
I must go and rest now. I thank you all or your attention.
And so the Truth comes out, always. Good nite.
Checkme
Will do, I hope you are proud to act as the 12th juror.
Good night.
checkme dont go yet
please
what is the truth? i am so lost………..
:(:(:(
subdude-your comments were very thought provoking…..
kristin—u are a cutie, girl!!—too funny…
i am an attorney and should be concentrating on myown cases, yet…I cannot seem to get myself out of this blog….LOL…I am incredibly drained
Did anyone notice the posters that Beth had in her lap on Greta? They say “Disappearance” instead of Missing or Kidnapped. I thought they had Kidnapped on them.
They initially did
i heard from another poster on another site, that this could be to faciliate in allowing the culpable party to believe that we are uncertain about her whereabouts, when we in fact (not us but those in charge of the investigation)…know in which proximity she may be…which would make sense if this “theory”is true..the longer they think that we are concentrating on accessories and not the direct perpetrator her life would not be compromised.
Kristin
The truth is that Checkme is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
No, seriously. As I see it that the truth here comes in at least two steps. In this first step, the truth may come from finding out what is the lie. So by guessing, one lie may be that Joran was dragged into this. Maybe he was even used, counting on his fathers standing in Aruba.
Ally
I don’t speak a lot of Chat. What does LOL means.
yes..boo they did…it is interesting that they are being utilzed once again
Why cannot one type the word casino.
Kristin
Sorry, a lot of typos. Should have said that Joran had nothing to do with this, and was dragged into this, etc., etc.
Lucy—LOL-laugh out loud—it is moreso synonomous with smile then truly laughing out loud–
Obi-wan-kenobi?—LOL!
No disrespect here, but I smell a “Natalee Holloway” story on one of the networks, since there seems to be such a dichotomy in the relationship between the parents involved. It’s almost like I’m watching a drama. My gut feeling tells me that this case is going to get much bigger.
LOOK at this post guys….I found it on some website a long time ago.
Posted on: 1:37 pm, May 31, 2005 Report inappropriate post
Just wanted to warn everyone:
My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie’s, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.
The person who commented on this is no longer available to talk. HMMMMM…wonder why????
Cause he/she is full of shizit!!!
Check, one. Check, two. Checkme????
What’s up brotha? You know something, me thinks! Rest well and please come back tomorrow with more clues.
AllyinMiami, I am subdude in Fort Lauderdale. Pleased to meet you. Thank you and Lucy for the responses. I certainly hope she is alive. The lack of physical evidence actually makes me more hopeful.
Ya’ll take care, and call this day a success. Things feel like they are coming to a boil. Those boys are about the break. Personally, I think the Aruban police and prosecutors and doing a good job after a misstep in the beginning, perhaps.
I am happy to see that the posts seem to be more tolerant of all views. Though I have not posted much, I have been reading and keeping informed. Man of few entries, I suppose.
Ciao and pray.
S-
shes not full of anything…her husband was on good morning america. it’s true…that’s where natalee is.
If you really want to read some far-out hypotheses, go here:
http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames2c.html
Boo—sorry i agree with Kristin–this information was disseminated before anyone with any affiliation to this case could be “coached” or advised not to converse. I do not think it is a mere coincidence that NO EVIDENCE has been found, that one of the suspects worked on a cruise ship, and that two of their fathers work for the government..I think this is a case of political blackmail, mass conspiracy, and foreign prostitution.
You GO ally!
That’s what checkme said…political blackmail. BUT WHY Natalee?? And what DONT we know?
Does anyone believe that the investigation has reviewed satellite photos from May 30 looking for vehicle and boat traffic in key spots?
Also, what statements were made by Paulus and Joran when they went to the Holiday Inn with NH’s family on May 31st? Apparently the other two brothers were there as well. What was being said?
Subdude,
I have actually floated that same possiblity. But JVD is responsilbe and connected to it. I am not so sure the other two are but I think they KNOW what happened. I hope and pray she is alive.
Doug G. Natalee’s stepfather says that it took Paulos 15 minutes to come out of his house..remember Joran has his apà ¤rtment connected to their property. He(father) could have sent them on a wild goose chase to look for Joran gambling..while in fact, he was given extra time to collaborate information with the brothers..Paulus later called Joran and he said he was home with one of the brothers (thus their fictatious tale could have been better orchestrated). Paulus and/or the DJ’s father could have been blackmailed and utilized their children to lure and possibly intoxicate/drug a beautiful female to saisfy their debts by the exchange of a “à ¤n american female prostitute. Money could have been involved, they thought they could have implemented a plan so tight and infallable that their sons would have a pre-organized alibi, and a case that thus would so easily be forgotten. But what they failed to recognize, was that a mother would be so determined, with the support of a country so passionate to verify that this case would never be forgotten or unresolved…Things that make u go, hmmmm?
cant keep my eyes open any longer….night all, see ya tomorrow
Jorans father is working his way into Dutch Monarchy….Joran is 17….a minor…a MINOR…if he fell victom to a mishap, (accidental homicide) he would first:
a) try to cover up
b) second rely on dad to cover up
c) third break down and confess knowing he is 17 and a minor under Dutch law….he would do no real time…his dad knows this, his mom knows this, they all know his dads Judgeship is now a pipedream…..why not confess….why does he not confess…all of us who stay here in this forum day after day, hour after hour still refuse to ask ourselves…what is really going on. Occams razor….
Occams Razor
“A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.”
I drempt last night…”in my dream I smell the smell of chemicals…once before I smelled this, the smell and taste of an anesthesia right before i passed out on the operating table at the age of 14, after 15 seconds of this I drempt that something was after me, i fight to get away from this thing coming at me…then this thing becomes headless…I feel slightly safer..untill…the headless thing comes at me again, and now it feels like many many hands pulling at my stomach, more hands than this thing should have…why is it still alive pulling at me”…then I awake…I’ve been semiasleep for 20 mins. Dear lambs of God, I can say that was our angel…on 6/22/05 at 5:20am I was touched…blessed…ushered in…her soul is strong…we will not fail her.
According to Mr Twitty, Paul van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe ordered Joran not to say anything to the parents of Natalee, and to the investigators.
Deepak told investigators that they drove Natalee to the lighthouse, then took her back to the HI where they dropped her off around 2:00 am. Steve Croes said he saw them drop her off in the parking lot of the HI around that time.
According to Mickey John, Deepak told him he dropped Joran and Natalee off somewhere near the Mariott hotel, on their way back from the lighthouse. He apologized to him.
Deepak is now moved to the Aruba prison.
i wrote the c word out of curiousity and my comment is still awaiting moderation.
Hi everyone. I was just looking at the pictures on a website that were from Joran’s photo’s and noticed something. Don’t really know if it is a possibility but, I noticed that in alot of the pictures Joran and some of his friends are holding their hands up in a kind of a sideway’s peace sign. This is also a common gang sign. Most gang signs are inconspicuous. Something you would see as nothing just a pose but members would know it. I also read an article that was interesting. http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050617a.html
Don’t wanna be an American Idiot
Don’t want a nation under the new mania
Can you here the sound of hysteria?
The sublimal mind fuck America
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the Alien nation
Where everything isn’t meant to be ok
Television dreams of tomorrow
we’re not the ones that meant to follow
For that’s enough to argue
Maybe I am the faggot America
I’m not a part of a redneck agenda
now everybody do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia
Don’t want to be an American idiot
one nation controlled by the media
information age of hysteria
calling out to IDIOT AMERICA
Hey Mari Huana Holland – I’m Dutch too (I assume you are), and I just wanted to let you know that most people here probably have had enough of anti-Americans saying “America sucks and the rest of the world is great” or Americans saying “this is the greatest country on earth and the rest of the world sucks”. I’m sure there are enough other forums for that. Let’s try and stick to the subject of the poor girl’s disappearance in this forum, what do you think?
I don’t think Mari Huana Holland thinks. How could he/she with a name like that?
I hope Natalee is return to her mom alive, if not please let her rest in peace, her mom ask for her daughter to be return to her,
aruba is wrong someone & knows what happen to this young female,
noone deserves to be killed or raped, we all have been young made bad choice that is what alchol does,
Joran van der Sloot is not above the law or god!
God bless The Holloways & Twitty family.
Johan, you’re right, except for those comments over here about what stinks about Holland. It’s the same attitude in the states as over here in holland u know. Both think they’re the best and hey, the truth is probably in the middle right?
Hope says:
Occam’s Razor.
Hope: In my mind, Occam’s Razor says JVDS is not confessing because he didn’t commit a crime but is afraid to identify those he left NH with because he thinks thjey will harm him or a loved one. I tend to agree that if he had done something criminal, as a minor he would face only minor consequences, and he probably could have cut himself an ever better deal by now. I believe he is not naming names because he was associating with some hard criminals and fears the consequences of disclosing their identities.
I know when I was his age, and older, I “associated” with some unsavory people on occasion because I thought it made me cool. I would not have wanted to be placed in a situation of having to finger them for a suspected crime or get in trouble myself. I probably would have waited to see what evidence the police and prosecutors had against me before I would consider giving up names to cut myself a deal, even if that meant spending some time in jail. Prison might have been another story, which is why I praise the Aruban gov’t for notching up the pressure and moving him to KIA. Let him get a taste of where he may live for a while if he doesn’t start cooperating.
Unless they get some solid stuff on JVDS which threatens his liberty, he doesn’t have any “legal” reason to give up names. Morally, he certainly does, but his morality appears relative which is not uncommon when accused of a crime. 1. Save your own a**, first, worry about the morally correct thing later. 2. If morals clash with self-preservation, see #1. I don’t think many of us would behave differently in this regard if faced with this scenario.
Gotta go to work. See ya.
I read in the local newspaper DIARIO that, the FBI called the parents of NH for interviews!
it was just interesting to hear these girls, given Natalie’s own stepfather thinks she met Joran earlier than that night…….
and I must say Mr. Twitty had many fascinating relevations last night, esp the part about he felt in fact Joran wanted to be helpful but it was his father and then Deepak that were telling Joran not to say anything, Mr Twitty said Joran said but i want to talk I have nothing to hide
Mrs. Van Der Sloot has some interesting revelations as well, esp about Joran shooting his mouth off at school, saying he will kick Natalee’s butt when she appears for causing him so much trouble
I think she thinks her kid is innocent, the father, I don’t know, mr. Twitty is convinced he is at least part of a coverup, clearly Mr. Twitty has a hate on for Mr. V, understandable of course, and everyone, Mr. Twitty, Mr. Holloway and Mrs. Holloway are talking about 9-10 witnesses to be brought in and they are confident now that the investigation is heading in the right direction
on the other hand, Mr. Twitty described that a torrent of people descended upon the Van Der Sloot household the night of the 31st and think about it, you might have your back up if a bunch of angry Americans showed up on your doorstep out of no where
but carry on the discussion, work’s a calling me today
it certainly gives a new light on Deepak but the latest revelation too is that when they put all the boys in a room together, now Joran says Satis picked him up from the beach not Deepak, so what is Joran’s strategy NOW to pin it on Deepak, how can you not remember which brother picked you up from the beach, and we are all mystified where Croes comes in, except for the fact he corroborated the false HI story…….
but really must go, Greta rules man, now she’s a journalist, take notes everyone
last note, you know why Greta is good, because she is a lawyer, and come to think of it, all the better news people have law backgrounds because you know why, OK was Geraldo ever a lawyer, I don’t think so, if so he’s the exception
lawyers are trained to be meticulous about facts and separating fact from rumours
maybe more journalists need to take some law courses………
as a former lawyer, it floors me how sloppy the MSM is with so many issues, esp when they don’t even bother to check simple verifiable facts
is there anyone here this morning….my friend called me this morning with huge news!! i watched nancy grace last night and saw the interviews with nat’s bio dad. he teared up lots of times. he talks about natalee in the past tense. he really couldn’t give much info either. they talked to the croes prosecutor lady and she said they called mr. van der sloot in as a witness. she said anyone involved in this case is called in. that doesn’t mean they are suspects. i was so frustrated once again with the secretiveness. i know they aren’t doing it on purpose. i just wish they wouldn’t ask people questions knowing they can’t answer.
anyway….my friend calls me this morning to tell me that on hannity colmes there were huge revelations!! there are going to be up to 9 arrests made. there is a sort of dump area where the brothers live. it’s a dangerous area that has water, trash, and it’s just gross and stinks bad. the police hadn’t even searched there! wtf?! that one of the people that is going to be arrested is the dad. it sounds like from the vds mom and the boys, that joran wanted to talk a long time ago, but everyone kept telling him to shut up. and he didn’t say he was going to beat natalee’s ass for causing him trouble, it was for causing her mom this trouble. i hope that dump isn’t where she is. i so wanted her to be found alive, but for the family i hope this is it.
oh and Greta knows how to cross examine!!!
subdude, I must say I am not as sure about Joran’s total guilt- my own theory is he may not be talking because they are blackmailing him because they got something on him or they have threatened his family and he thinks they are serious, frankly at this point, no one is going to dare touch his family and any blackmail they got can’t be as bad as the situation he is in….
nice on O Reilly to confirm that the prison on Aruba is a nice modern facility, one lawyer who works the Caribbean said Aruba is probably the nicest prison in the region, hardly hard time like in most US prisons, or islands like DR (some foolish person from our hometown ended up in a DR jail, she came back looking like a skeleton, and they bitch about Gitmo?)
That is a good observation the posse of Americans descending on your house at 3 in the morning with their bizzare accent pointing fingers demanding to know where something or someone is would very much explain the father’s reaction. What do you do when somone rouses you up early in the morning demanding things.
It is a good idea to question the girls family, it appears something is not right on that side
- suggest the girl is not as pure is she is made out to be
- confirmed she approached the son in the casino
- all her friends are remarkable quiet in describing her or hear demeanor that evening
- the mother is unusually upbeat and appears to be going overboard in her quest
- there is a poster from mother to daughter trying to coax her to phone the mother this is as if the daughter has run away or is hiding
- maybe the step father has been secretly visiting the daughter at night and she does not want to return home
- the mother reluctance to discuss her meeting with the family of the boy
- if the boy had sex with the girl no one has protested and said if that is the case it must be rape because she was a virgin before going there
- according to the boy’s mother that is his claim and now public knowledge
- yet the girls mother does not address it and hint impossible due to waiting for marriage or whatever Christian moral this community claims to be adhereing to
Too many suspicious things on that side of the fence I am afraid.
Can someone please explain that poster of Natalee and her mom to me? I just don’t understand it. Is it supose to be from Ms. Holloway to her daughter, because she thinks her daughter ran away?
If she did run away, that would explan her weird Senior Quote, in her High School yearbook…..but I think her running away is out of the question
Hey….did anyone just see the today show interview with Joran’s mother?
good morning everyone
Good Morning to All!!!
nicole, i thought the same thing about the poster. i don’t get it either.
where oh where is checkme??? we need you buddy…
pktbk,
I watched Hannity and Colmes last night. Your friend is exaggerating a bit. The police have 8-9 additional people they plan to question. They said nothing about arrests. My guess is that there was a party somewhere and they will question the people who were at that party.
There is a dump on the island somewhere between the houses of the boys and it has not been searched. That’s hardly surprising given what it looked like. It’s a small area at what appeared to be a very small quarry. I would say it is a very unlikely spot to hide a body.
According to Jug Twitty, Joran said that he wanted to help them find Natalee, but his father and either Deepak or Satish kept saying that he shouldn’t say anything.
There was no suggestion that Joran’s dad would be arrested.
Joran’s mother told Greta that Joran said that Natalee shows up, he will beat her butt for causing all this trouble.
Mari, Hans, Johan,
Effe lekker in het Nederlandschhhhh…
Ik begrijp wel, van actie krijg je reactie. Soms lees ik hier dingen en heb ik ook zoiets van jah,…. zal ik het doen? Zal ik niets doen? Ik verkies het niet te doen en denk laat ik verstandiger zijn…. en de *ignore-mode* aandoen. Immers, het is een groot land met veel idoten maar we kunnen ze nu eenmaal niet allemaal over à ©Ãƒ ©n kam scheren.
Nevertheless, I do not post much here, but this is a really informative blogspace in the matter NH. Keep up the good work!
Everyone is saying that Natalee is in Venezuela, and that her parents know about it. It’s all a big cover up, and I am getting so sick of it. I’m throwing in the towel and giving up on this. Thanks to everyone, especially checkme for sharing information. I still hope that they get Natalee back, but I don’t appreciate all the lies and the cover-ups. Whatever, goodbye.
my email is kristingamst@comcast.net if checkme ever wants to talk.
chef scottie-even if it was small….wouldn’t they check everywhere. especially since it is close to the boys home? i think it was stated that there was a timeframe involved for the boys. they had to be at school the next day, so whatever needed to be done, they had to do it quick. no time to dig or anything like that. i could be wrong, just speculating.
checkme where are you for real! you have been right on and it’s scary.
Krisin,
Don’t leave…I’ve been keeping up with you guys post and find it very informative b/c I don’t get to watch alot of TV from working all of the time…..Stay a little while longer…PLEEEAAASSSSEEEEE!!!
kristin…i think you’re probably going to get more than just checkme email now. lol
Sorry for the spelling your name incorrectly…
Bout the poster
http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg
Its the poster that was posted on allmost every shop/bank/hotel entrance on Aruba within the few days after the disappearance.
So we can assume it was posted by her Mom and friends, family & volunteers. Taking that as a starting point it would be a poster from Mom to Natalee leading to an interpretation of the wordings that Mom expected a runaway.
Other opinions? Please post.
I think it’s awfully quiet lately, no real developements, nothing.
yea, don’t go!! my computer is broke at home, and I depend on everyone’s post for the day while I’m at work!! I haven’t followed a story like this EVER!! I feel like I AM THE ONE trying to solve this!!! I have this all day, and then I usually watch Bill O’Reilly at night!!!
Why the hell would Natalee have a local cell number though?? why would she rent one for a 5 day trip? that dosen’t make any sense. She had her own cell phone, that she left in the room that night!
fashion queen-
thanks for being so nice. i don’t mind sharing my email, i have two addresses and i gave the one that i barely use. i am just so fed up with all of this. people in aruba are getting in trouble for talking to us, and that is so wrong. we have the right to know what’s going on, and when i say what’s going on-i mean what’s REALLY going on. not this bullshit from greta and whoever else that may be down there. i mean the TRUTH. where is geraldo? doesn’t anyone else find it funny that he’s GONE? he’s in venezuela, looking for natalee. and checkme has shared as much as he can, and i wont be surprised if he gets spoken to by the feds and can no longer talk with us.
it’s all crap. just goes to prove that we live under a microscope, and whatever we do is controlled. i hate it.
nicole…i know what you mean! i haven’t been productive at all the passed few weeks! i did get sucked in like this when elizabeth smart was kidnapped though.
i think the poster being so personal was to let nat know that her mom really was there and was looking for her. being so personal meant that if nat got loose that she would be able to run in to her family’s arms. she’s not thousands of miles away from people she knows and that love her. they were trying to comfort their daughter. and it was confirmed by the holloway family that the runaway rumor came from when natalee was three she got the front door open and ‘ran away’. hardly a troubled teen.
From the interview with Natalee’s dad it seem to me that he does think his daughter is no longer in this world and from the way they were searching they were looking for her body. I really hope she turns up alive but if not, let them find her body for her parents sake so they can take her home. That’s all the mother wants and she said she would leave as soon as she get her.
i have been following this story soclosely as well…my family says i have become obsessed with it. i tried to explain to everyone else that isn’t into it WHY i am obsessed with it, and that there are other people who are obsessed as well. they think i am crazy. i would love to go to aruba and figure all of this out. wouldn’t that be nice to take a little trip down there…
i am just losing interest day by day, when i see the lies starting to unfold from all of the cover-ups. between friends and family, no one can seem to keep their story straight. she got in a taxi, no she got in a car. she met joran before her last night, no she never met him til her last night. beth twitty didn’t plan on going to the sloot’s she just ended up in the areano-she woke up in the morning and told greta that she wanted to go speak with the sloot’s. i’m done with it all. it’s sickening, and no one can understand that WE all want to HELP, they just lie to us like we’re a bunch of idiots.
nicole-if her personal phone wouldn’t get a signal there, she might have gotten another one. i didn’t know she did, but that would explain it. there are certain places in the u.s. that i get absolutely no signal. it sucks.
kristin-it does suck that we are watched and analyzed. i would hope checkme and the other arubans would not be punished for informing us. they were terribly vague, so i don’t see where they were wrong. the aruban prosecutor on nancy grace dances around the real answer more than these guys.
i’m the opposite…the lies have intrigued me all the more. it makes me want to see what the truth really is. i am hoping that natalee will be found alive just so she can tell exactly what happened to her. she’s the only one that would really be able to explain this.
Can someone help out on this
MCVAY: He came with his friends. He had told us that night that Sunday was not a fun night on the island and that no one goes out. So we found it ironic that he showed up.
When did JVS say this to them…they did not speak with himin theis first meeting…so there where other times he was with them and Natelee. They leave this fact out in their discussions.
I find the friends “spinning” their story…no one want to admit they saw NH get in the car because now they would have to anwser the question “why did you let that happen?”
I believe she told her friends (let face it – they all saw her dancing with JVS-all girls go the the ladies room together).
The Mt Brook spin is to let us know how wonderful Natalee was and how wonderful they all are…all repsonible, great, caring kids. I would like the truth. This is why the ALan COmbs interviewee wants more from them too.
the way the aruban government works….no one is allowed to talk to the public. at all. even if they come back to the u.s. they can’t talk because it could get the whole case thrown out and they would never find her. the family knows more than we do and they weren’t even there that night. but they can’t talk about it because it would mess up the whole thing.
Mornin’, everyone!
Did I read that right???????? OMG!!! Daddy VDS is going to be arrested?? Please confirm!
Nicole: the local cel phone would be her mothers.
pktbk: I hope the 3 year old ‘runaway’ was the thing that started the rumor, but also other runaway stories are going round which offcourse would NEVER be confirmed by the family if true. If not true, offcourse they would not be confirmed neither, leaving us in uncertainty.
Kidnapping would have been carefully planned and more people would need to be involved, however those could be off the island.
Example: if the boys (or some or one of them) would have contacts and agree to deliver a beautiful blond US girl to some venezuelans/colombians on a agreed upon beach (against payment I suppose) where they would be waiting with a fast boat, then the vzls/cols could take her to the continent. Since the coast is closely monitored by coastguard through Radar, boat patrol and helicopter with spot light this should or at least could have been noted. It is not likely to choose a beach neer HI or Marriott in that case. A beach up north or down south would be better.
If this delivery worked then the vzls/cols would be in their home country very fast if they have a good speed boat.
Does anyone know what records of coast guard “warda nos costa” have about this evening? Any unidentified fast objects on this night?
WHY will the whole case be thrown out if they talk? I can’t understand that at all. WHY don’t they just say then : WE CAN’T TALK ABOUT THIS CASE WITH ANYONE. Stop stringing everyone along. Let’s get Greta to come talk at scared moneys. We’ll see what we can get out of her.
How about when Mr. Twitty said he went looking for Joran at his house and he was not home he was at the Casino. How much control did his father have over this kid to be at a casino on a school night at “3:00 am”. If I were this kid knowing what I know I would not have even moved out of my house and he had the nerve to go to the casino to gamble.
Well Kristin,
Try and stay with us not so informed people just a little bit longer….and I hope Checkme doesn’t get into trouble for informing us…it’s almost scary that he’s been right on point with alot of the information that he’s been giving us….
He was having computer problems, I bet the feds tapped into his computer and he can no longer come on. He said he had the feeling of being watched…he was. This is so freaky to me. Anyways, why aren’t Natalee’s parents in Venezuela looking for her? People have said she’s been spotted. Remember how long Elizabeth Smart was spotted for before we actually found her? Considering she was 5 miles from home.
That’s what I heard Mom………….him and about 8 more!!!
if she had runaway in the past, then i think there would be police records to prove that. especially since the rumor was she ran away to costa rico or something like that. so i don’t think she did.
just to appease us, they go on tv and give innuendos and so forth. just so we will hush for another night. then the frustration builds until someone else gets on the news. OH i do remember them saying that decisions will be made friday on the progress of this. that the lawyers are going to present the judge a ‘condensed version’ of all the evidence. then the judge will decide how to proceed. and the condensed version is to keep the judge from having to read it days before we find out his decision.
WOW, Vanessa…Man this case just gets creepier & creepier. What in thee hell did all these people do w/ Natalee??? It’s MADDENING!
Morning all
Nicole – if you’re still here – what was the weird comment in the yearbook?
Dutch – glad to see you today. That poster is so interesting to me. As I said, I’m very visual. I just think it’s such strange wording.
kristin-hopefully when the equu staff get there it will go quicker than nine months, like elizabeth. they actually have cadaver sniffing dogs. whereas aruba only has the drug sniffing dogs.
Sunday night is maybe a boring night, but certainly not a boring evening. There’s this place called Moomba Beach (between the HI and the Marriott, actually!!) that is very popular on Sunday late afternoon till Sunday late in the evening.
Does this shed some light?
I just have one question before I comment…..who is Natalee?
I know right…Elizabeth was right under their nose the whole time….I don’t know what it is about this case, but I honestly feel that Natalee is still alive…for some reason I can’t explain…I just feel like she’s still alive..Hope that’s the case….
pktbk, good point. Hopefully the cadaver sniffing dogs will find something. They said on fox news that they can even tell if there is a body in the water.
Checkme probably went to bed and hasn’t gotten up yet.
I think we all watch too much tv.
On 2 shows last night they mentioned the 8-9 more people thing.
Jug was pretty pissed last night. I think he’s had it and would like to beat some a$$.
well i have some things to do so i have to leave for now. please remember my email if anyone wants to talk. dont hesitate.
good luck with finding any additional information.
Dutch:
Should we assume Moomba Beach has been searched??
Somehow, I doubt it.
Dutch – is there any news in the paper or on the radio this morning?
Christy,
You’re kidding, right?
Kristin,
I think that we have the same mind!! I feel EXACTLY HOW YOU DO….on everything!!!
It is REALLY weird about Checkme. Does anyone personally know him? Or do we all just know him from this blog? He is a local from Aruba, who is dead on with EVERY SINGLE thing he says….except for the fact that a few days ago he said Natalee is alive, but not in Aruba…..Should I say what I’m thinking?? I’m scared I might get myself in trouble! Maybe he just has a great source of info down there…..or maybe he knows more than we care to expect.
I don’t know……just weird to me.
Christy,
Are you serious??
MOMfromMO,
No I’m not kidding. Please inform….
yeah nicole, i was thinking that too. he’s been so nice and informative, but i think he knows where natalee is. and i think the same thing that happened to arubagirl is happening to him. i doubt we will see him on here again.
Hello everyone. Anything new? I don’t have cable or internet at my house so I feel out of the loop!
pktbk – I had a different take than your friend I saw the biological dad and beth on fox last night and was shocked as to how calm they were – her father talks like she is dead but is so calm it is very weird……I know everyone reacts to things differently but as checkme said last night neither has shown much emotion the last two to three weeks which makes believe checkme’s theory.
christy, you need to catch up…i dont think anyone is willing to explain the whole story of who natalee is. do some reading, and then come and chat with us!
christy…she’s a girl from alabama that went to aruba on a graduation celebration. she’s missing and four locals are in custody in relation to her disapperance.
Christy,
I’ll be happy (as most on here) to update you on Natalee. But first….
If you don’t know who Natalee is….how did you find this blog, unless you did a search on ‘Natalee Holloway’.
I’m not trying to be rude, I just find this a little difficult to believe.
crs, checkme’s theory is that she is in venezuela, right?
crs, checkme’s theory is that she is in venezuela, right?
Nicole,
I agree…he has been dead on about everything and then he goes on to say that she is alive but not in Aruba….I wish I knew his source for information
What happened to Arubagirl?
I have to be honest I thought Jug came across a little redneckish last night. He seems like he can be a little full of himself – I think these are two well to do families that are more alike than different with huge egos on both sides and that is why they dislike each other somewhat.
Kristin,
I have not heard from Aruba girl…do you know something or have a theory with what is going on with her???
Yes, checkme believes she is most likely in a neighboring country most likely kidnapped but possibly having runaway.
She quoted the line from Freebird by Lenard Skynard. “If I leave here tomorrow, will you still remember me? For I must be traveling on now, cause theres too many places I’ve gotta see”
that was her senior quote in her yearbook. Heard that on CNN from the uncle I think…(he was asked if he thought it had any connection.) but that was like 2 weeks ago.
weird huh?
aruba girl was spoken to by authorities and told not to talk with us anymore. she was giving out information like last names of people, and telling us what really went on down there. now she’s no where to be found. amazing, isn’t it?
Bham:
I haven’t seen Arubagirl on here in awhile!! Hope she’s doing okay…boy, now there’s some information…she’s got it goin’ on!
christy-are you from aruba? i know a lot of people down there don’t know what is going on.
crs-yeah, i heard that the vds mom was a lot more emotional and the dad looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there. i think their hope and need to stay calm makes natalee’s parents so ‘together’. but i do know that they know way more than we do. enough to help them get through this. i saw more almost tears from her bio dad than i have from anyone else though.
Pktbk,
You sumed that up quite nicely for Christy…:-)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, thanks pktbk. so Natalee = aruba girl. Why didn’t you guys just say that. I think she might be like the runaway bride. Got in a little too deep and now she doesnt know how to come out of it. I didn’t think ppl from alabama traveled much anyway. Aren’t they usually too busy muddin’?
Kristin,
That wasn’t really nice.
If Natalee were to “run away” to Venezuela, wouldn’t she have taken her passport?
Thanks Nicole. It is interesting. But it’s easy to interpret after the fact.
Kristin…How do you know this, about Arubagirl? Spoken to by authorities??? Holy cow!
the quote isn’t that strange. we picked that song for our senior prom. it’s pretty. and the remember me probably had to do with the fact that when you graduate, you really don’t hang with those people anymore. would they still remember her?
I wasn’t being mean christy. usually people dont come onto discussion forums and ask what the forum is about. common sense. and i am sure everyone would back me on that. anyways guys, i have to go. nice talking to you all.
fashionqueen and nicole, email me if you would like.
rob-the chaperones had the passports.
Why would they search a dump with the new dogs if she is still alive?
Christy,
No, Natalee didn’t ‘get in a little too deep’. You really should research what has transpired up until now. Don’t think you’ll think that for long, once you do.
Just MHO.
Oh My God!! I did not know that….she was the best…very informative…so they really are monitoring these blogs….
people in the forums were talking about aruba girl, and she told people what happened. i think lucy up top had said something about it. you can scroll up and find out if you’d like.
not a problem christy-i know it’s easy to get bashed in here, and i was just wanting to help out.
that was a theory that was on here once. that it was a runaway bride situation. but it’s kind of hard to keep that idea when there are four people in custody. it’s a very strange case!
Rob – that is certainly a valid point but I am not certain either how difficult it would be for her to take a boat to the Venezulea either – that is why drug trade is so prevalent in that area is because of the amount of coastline so if you smuggle drugs why not a person. For the record i believe a kidnap much more likely.
Christy, I think you’re comments are inappropriate and you need to go elsewhere.
trisher-unfortunately they are using cadaver dogs. that doesn’t sound good at all.
Please help me understand where they are at now:
Using cadaver dogs, and searching a ‘dump site’ ???
Hard to keep up with! Thanx!
pktbk – Do you know if cadaver dogs would be used find living people too?
But the “dump” place that the dad was looking at last night – if she’s alive why would he be wasting his time there?
Arubagirl is over at the discussion forum. So is Americaninaruba. At least they were there two days ago, and very active indeed.
thanks lucy
pktbk – for some reason I do not think we are that close to wrapping this up – i think if we were close – Greta and Beth would not be out cruising the town.
As well, if she were kidnapped, she would be of no value to the kidnappers due to all this media exposure. The kidnappers would want nothing to do with her. Otherwise, wouldn’t we have seen some sort of ransom request?
Hi Mom -
They talked about using the Texas dogs when they get there to search a dump/water hole area. The dad and whoever (I can’t remember who) were looking at the area saying it had not been searched yet.
mo-the dogs are coming with the equu team. the dump was discussed last night on tv in regards to the two brothers neighborhood.
trisher-maybe this is simply a red herring. make the real kidnappers think that the police and search teams aren’t even looking in the right spot. put the spotlight somewhere else while a secret covert search is getting closer to them.
Dutch on Aruba – I do think a boat could very well be involved. The coast guard may monitor the coast, but there is a lot of water out there. Secondly, if the boat used is very familiar to the coast guard, no red flags would go up. Also, we are assuming the coast guard is not corrupt and not paid to look the other way. Finally, even if she were killed and not kidnapped, her body was most likely dumped off the coast somewhere which requires a boat as well. That may be where that D.J. of the Tattoo comes in. He might not be able to pilot the Tattoo, but how about the smaller craft that chauffers people to and from the Tatoo?
Interesting thought pktbk. They, then, would be using LOTS of red herrings.
BhamNativeGirl,
Obviously I offended you with the muddin’ comment. I appologize. But isn’t that the great thing about America….freedom of speech!
At this point aren’t we all speculating? I don’t think that just b/c they have arrested ppl that she’s dead. I think that b/c American’s are outraged arban govt fell the need to make us feel as if though they are taking it seriously. From what I saw at the begining….they weren’t.
crs-maybe that’s part of the draw attention elsewhere? who knows. until it is found out….on goes the tour of aruba with greta van sustren.
cadavar dogs smell for remains of humans……….they are totally different from the search & rescue dogs.
Trisher & pktbk:
Thank you! And if I remember right, the Equu Team will be there tomorrow??
Christy,
Now you seem to know ‘so much’, after not knowing who Natalee is…. that’s very amusing.
I’m not bashing…I just don’t get it.
Anyway, moving along……..
cre and Kristin
Regarding locations, Checkme said yesterday that connections between SRN and COL existed. I assumed he meant Surinam and Colombia, so maybe Surinam is a possibility.
yes tomorrow, but not all their equipment will be there tomorrow.
friday is going to be huge! the judge might make his decision on all of the investigation…tim miller with equu will be there.
MOM,
As I stated before I didn’t know her by name all I knew was the girl missing in aruba.
Rob – a ransom could be involved – I agree a kidnap/ransom is a lot different than what most of us orignally imagined but I think it is a valid theory. As pktbk says though it would mean a lot of red herring out there.
crs, Kristin
Or maybe, Surinam (Deepak?) has a connection with Colombia.
Rob,
Aren’t you leaving in a few days to go down there?
Lucy – I saw that – checkme has thought for awhile Columbia.
I think the older brother is the prime suspect……………JMO
Gotcha, Christy.
was just curious. Thanx!
Is Deepak the older brother?
Christy – no problem. Yes, freedom of speech is great…I feel very close to this case & I may take some comments personally, forgive me!
vanessa-the older kalpoe brother?
Why would it take 8-9 more people involved to do dispose of a body? I am with ya Kristin my family thinks I am nuts tooo. I think she is a run-away / kidnapped and the reason for the passport being left behind, she has no intentions of coming back.
I just woke, and I had a dream, a vision, a short one but very vivid. Natalee was found alive, in good condition. She was held against her will. She was in a small block building. It seems this small building was on Aruba, near water, near where they had been searching. Some of the blocks were unpainted, some were painted black. They may have had to even break through the wall to get to her.
I just felt it necessary to post this, maybe someone can pass it along to those involved with the search.
Sincerely…
hey, I need some information. What is Checkme’s theory?
they covered her mouth with a rag soaked in chloroform and shoved her in the car….
Still no Geraldo which makes me still think he has an exclusive on this from the family.
I believe that anyone who may have kidnapped her would now believe they are in way over their head. Ransom is not even feasible with all the resources that have been put on this case. Surely they would be caught.
Checkme believes NH was kidnapped.
Good morning all:
Did everyone see that now Satish is the older of the Kalpoe brothers and NOT Deepak. How crazy to just now be receiving this information 3 weeks later.
Saussay,
If there are 8 or 9 people involved, resulting in arrests…it doesn’t necessarily mean ALL ‘disposed of a body’. One can be an accessory to ‘murder’ or ‘kidnapping’. One can be an accomplice, as well (while similar they are different). An accomplice is one who actually was present during the act, or assisted in some manner. An accessory is one who assists in covering it up, or assisting if even from a distance.
I agree, that it is MADDENING that this many people could be involved.
Kris
I wish. No Aruba for me. Stuck working in San Diego.
I am wondering why one of the girls mentions that Natalee got into a taxi. I thought it was one of the brothers’ car. Can anyone explain?
I wish I was working in San Diego. LOL
Oh sorry, I must be confusing you w/someone else. But still stuck in S.D. is better than being stuck in Pittsburgh
The taxis in Aruba all look alike, silver cars…she got into a silver car
Hey Rob:
I was born and raised in San Diego. Family is still there. I now live on the east coast. San Diego is a great place!
taxi cars look like the honda
lucy-they said they thought it was a taxi. the brothers drive a car that looks like the model of the taxis. and they don’t mark their taxis i don’t think. like checker cabs and stuff, they don’t have that.
I’ve wondered that also, Lucy. Could it be, perhaps, that NH’s friends were really too intoxicated to KNOW if it was, or wasn’t a Taxi Cab? And if it were, wouldn’t the Taxi Co. be questioned? Haven’t heard anything on that, either.
Dang! Too many twists & turns…Kinda like that movie, “Wild Things”.
What was the weird yearbook comment?
And why is nobody discussing the strange interview with the VDS’s, Mom I feel sorry for, Dad is just 100% squirrelly, morose, evasive, quiet, awkward, very strange interview if you ask me simple since he said almost nothing.
It’s not really a “weird” yearbook comment – it’s a quote from “Free Bird” by Lynrd Skynrd (sp?) – a lot of Southern teens use quotes in their yearbooks from classic rock songs such as Skynrd, Zepplin, etc…
Regarding the 10:02 post by Lucy, I didn’t write that, so I don’t know what is going on.
Lucy 1
Good morning, all
MomfromMO:
I feel the same way about the friends. I tend to think many of the group of teens were had been drinking and details have slipped their minds. Teens can be careless at times and most forgetful.
Big Pappy: Daddy VDS is really weird and from the looks of things he’s shaking in his boots. He has the appearance of an alcoholic.
I initially thought Paul VDS was an idiot and still do to some extent.
Listening to Jug last night, I can see where Paul VDS would be a little irrational. Americans arrive at your house at 3AM and demand to speak to you and your son??Granted, they ARE looking for their missing daughter, but I would be a little irrational in that situation as well.
paulus vds is very high strung. he looks really greasy each time they show him. i think he says so little because he doesn’t want to slip up and get caught.
Kat:
Yeah, I haven’t heard many detailed ‘accounts’ of Nat’s friends from that night…And if I remember right…there were 40 from Nat’s group at CnC’s ??? Sheesh!
Rob – I thought the same thing – Jug and “his boys” show up in the middle of the night no doubt throwing accusations left and right, I think most people would immediately get on the defensive and I think any good parent would tell their kid to shut up. I can see where jug can be jackass.
Where’s Simian today?
jug is hot headed and totally opposite from the bio dad. beth went from night to day on those two.
i still don’t understand how they knew to head straight for those three? who pointed the first finger?
FIrst, Natalee could not have run away. She did not have her passport with her. And if you think authorities on neighboring islands won’t notice, then many of you from neighboring islands do not think much of your gov’t. Her passport was in the hotel room with her bags. Second, her uncle was remarking on the fact that one of Natalee’s future plans in life was traveling. She loved to travel to strange places and see new things. Look where it got her. If there are eight or nine others that the polis want to talk to, maybe they are suspicious that more were involved. There are still pictures out there circulating with Joran in them. There are the pictures where he is mimicking Abu Gharib with a buddy. Look at pictures of him with females. Look into his eyes.
Third, she can only withdraw a certain amount of money from an atm at any given time. If she had taken off, atms record not just amounts, but also locations of where you withdraw cash at. Don’t you think law enforcement officials have checked that constantly? Joran is involved in this up to his bushy little eyebrows and he is lying. Deepak and Satish are involved as well, or they would have already spilled beans on Van Der Sloot. I feel that more “boys” or acquaintances of the boys are involved in some manner. I believe there are more twists in what went on here. Based on some of the things I have read on websites of some of the kids in Aruba, this is some sort of a “twisted” sex thing, hate towards females or put females in their place thing, or some sort of a hatred towards American or American women thing and it was taken out on Natalee. Sometimes young people develop skewed views of the world and develop hatreds or opinions that they take too far.
I agree with that, Rob…to some extent. But I also feel that if i had nothing to do with a girl’s disappearance, I would cooperate a little more and bustin’ my a** to assist in the search of the girl…Especially, if I (or my son) were being implicated in a crime that we didn’t commit…I would be singing like a bird………………………………………..unless I was being blackmailed
Someone on the blog said NH had no money, no credit cards or her cell with her. I find that strange if for someone to go to a restaurant/club without any money or CC’s with them. How did she pay for her food & drink? JVDS maybe paid!
crs:
I haven’t seen much of Jug in the media…I don’t have cable, nor do I get time to watch TV
But, in Jug’s defense…I cannot even fathom what Beth is feeling…how she copes..and I’m sure it’s taking a toll on Jug as well. Something like this either brings couples closer together…or the complete opposite.
pktbk – excellent question – who orginally pointed the finger at Joran because by all accounts now she had just met Joran that day. Very weird. Also why did they not go to the Kalpoe boys home?
CRS:
You want Simian to log on to get the POT STIRRED! Don’t ya!
the submarine pinged….im being watched
Very insightful, Katcall! But…maybe she had cash?? How can that be confirmed that she didn’t? Soooo many questions!
pktbk – This had to of come from the friends at the bar for them to go straight to the 3
guys in custody. They only mention video tape at the casino showing JVDS.
crs: they did serach the brothers house…….they just didn’t talk about it….even stranger, don’t you think?
elaine-i see a corelation between the hatred towards women or american women and supremacists. they have been raised or constantly told that these people are bad. independant women are evil. they need to be in the kitchen making you something to eat. all american women are sluts. that’s what they learn from tv and what they see when the girls go down to party. i can totally see them having that idea in their heads.
ally-they may not be talking and telling who actually did do something with natalee because they know when they get out of jail they are toast. there are thugs waiting for them at the door.
Simian did stir it up yesterday. Does anyone else find our media so arrogant, they all say this case has been handled terribly but like sheep they all are just followers – last night – Beth, Jug, and NH’s real dad all sad the FBI says the Arubans are doing a great job.
Did you all hear that Joran first said later that night he got picked up by Deepak then turn around and said that he got confused, when they were all in the room, I think he is afraid of these Kalpoe boys??? What do yall think???
Lady,
I think Joran is too arrogant to be afraid of the Kalpoe bros.
Just MHO.
CRS (and Checkme who I don’t think is on): The kidnapping theory does NOT makes sense for the following reasons (assume for the sake of argument that a kidnapping did occur):
1) Whether or not the 3 kids faciliated the kidnapping or knew the kidnappers, the 3 would not change their stories mutliple times from leaving her at the HI, dropping Joran off first w/o NH, dropping Joran off first with NH, to Juron just leaving her at the beach. Almost 4 weeks into this, the 3 kids would easily admit that she was kidnapped by “some bad guys” without revealing identities in order to save the kids’ skin. The 3 teens’ parents and lawyers would try to convince them of the same thing — admit that they are not invlved in the kidnapping rather than face murder charges (believe me, there will be pressure to try these kids for murder if no other resolution is found).
2) Kidnapping theory is not consistent with the police’s investigation so far. How does Croes, the DJ, fall into a kidnapping plot? Why interview Joran’s dad twice as a witness if it was a kidnapping. Why move the 3 kids to a prison, instead of just holding them as “witnesses.”
3) There is no need to bring in the Texas search team (which will be conducting underwater search) if she was kidnapped and moved to another country.
4) Most importantly, if she was kidnapped and possibly moved to another country, NH’s parents and all the authorities involved would make this an INTERNATIONAL search (involving other southern american countries) and reaching out to the authorities in those countries for help – there is no indication that that has occurred yet. Also, if a kidnapping, NH’s parents would not just be passing out missing posters in Aruba – they would be broadening their search to other places.
The “other people” involved who NH’s mom refers to are the ppl who helped dispose of NH’s body after one of the 3 kids harmed her.
Any advocate of the kidnapping theory want to response — please don’t just respond with a statement that “you don’t have the facts or that the facts will come out.” It’s a waste of time to read these boards where people advocate theories without having any logic or facts to back them up when questioned about it. Thanks!
crs
Initially, Ms. Twitty pointed the finger at Joran. Some kids had mentioned that the guy Natalee left was seen at the casino the night before she disappeared, then he was identified at the casino security video; it was easy to find out his name, since he is well known.
Then, they pointed the fingers themselves, when they came with the story of Joran making out in the back seat, the visit to the lighthouse and dropping her at the Holiday Inn.
MONKEY:
Watched ?????
crs- Simian may be held hostage by the blog-control. The media is looking at dollar signs, no doubt about that, and I really think Aruban official know this and are doing the right thing withholding as much information as possible.
Vanessa – It is very odd how little attention the brothers are getting – is this because of a language barrier – if I am really starting to think Joran may be getting a raw deal. It is also funny that most of the regualrs on the board seem to be getting away from the murder/rape theory but many newcomers are the on that theory still.
lady-one of the brothers even called him a liar while they were in there. they are all just scared.
crs-why hasn’t the kalpoe family been involved for that matter. it’s been the vds’s from the beginning.
submarine ping….that sounds familiar.
That is a good observation the posse of Americans descending on your house at 3 in the morning with their bizzare accent pointing fingers demanding to know where something or someone is would very much explain the father’s reaction. What do you do when somone rouses you up early in the morning demanding things.
It is a good idea to question the girls family, it appears something is not right on that side
- suggest the girl is not as pure is she is made out to be
- confirmed she approached the son in the casino
- all her friends are remarkable quiet in describing her or hear demeanor that evening
- the mother is unusually upbeat and appears to be going overboard in her quest
- there is a poster from mother to daughter trying to coax her to phone the mother this is as if the daughter has run away or is hiding
- maybe the step father has been secretly visiting the daughter at night and she does not want to return home
- the mother reluctance to discuss her meeting with the family of the boy
- if the boy had sex with the girl no one has protested and said if that is the case it must be rape because she was a virgin before going there
- according to the boy’s mother that is his claim and now public knowledge
- yet the girls mother does not address it and hint impossible due to waiting for marriage or whatever Christian moral this community claims to be adhereing to
Too many suspicious things on that side of the fence I am afraid.
Elaine: your statement “I believe there are more twists in what went on here. Based on some of the things I have read on websites of some of the kids in Aruba, this is some sort of a “twisted” sex thing, hate towards females or put females in their place thing, or some sort of a hatred towards American or American women thing and it was taken out on Natalee. Sometimes young people develop skewed views of the world and develop hatreds or opinions that they take too far” I THINK MAY BE ACCURATE.
Everyone is moving away from the murder/rape theory because of the behavior of the parents on TV. They could not possible be that poised through all of this and not know something (possibly a shining light at the end of the tunnel).
pktbk…true, but I think that at commencement, possibly out of political blackmail, they would not talk (out of fear); however, Beth H. intellegently and strategically made this into a now tangible moral issue with the VDS’s. They now know her (Beth) and have conversed with her. Ms. VDS feels her pain and I am sure that if the father knows something she will now get it out of him….I have a feeling that the truth will come out very soon.
checkme–where r u—come back
subdude–are u here?
crs-i think we got off the murder/rape theory because so many more people were questioned. like the croes guy….he wasn’t even there. it just got so weird that it seemed much bigger than a date rape/murder plot.
CRS- I totally agree
pktbk – I think the kalpoe’s are the responsible parties here – I think Joran is being thrown to the wolves to deflect attention from the real investigation.
Rem – I agree, the parents are acting very oddly, it just not seem consistent with how someone who knows their daughter is dead would behave.
submarine ping…………is that you checkme????????????????
I* totally agree crs, I think that we are so judgemental when things dont happen the way we do it, and if the parents and the FBI believe that it is that way then it is, and there are so many things that dont add up b/c the interview with Joran parents the mother said that Joran told her that he was being baggered for hrs, and here we are saying they dont put pressure on the boy he didnt have a bed or sometimes food, I dont know him and I wasnt there, but if this boy is innocent the media have a whole lot of apologising , NH dad last night said that joran was helpful when they first got there so know I am confused as to how he was arrogant to the mother if the father said that when his dad and friend said dont say anything he said NO I want to help, and then they talk badly about the father of Joran after last night I could see y he ran he is shy and afraid of the media, he really didnt speak and when he did he was brief, as for him saying dont say a word it wasnt that u know something is that dont keep walking around telling ppl that u were with this girl and u dont know what happen, so the best thing to do is be quiet. Mr Holloway also said that the boys parents never helped, they were advised by the police not to, my point is that we arent there and I think ppl should stop judging these ppl b/c we werent there.
strangely enough not too much news anymore
ladyja – you noticed that too, Jug did not come right out and say it but I was led to believe Joran was actually very helpful – there are a lot of mixed messages from everyone – media, parents, authorities – everyone involved.
Observer,
I have said the same thing. The stories keep changing and I believe at the direction of daddy VDS. He knows the system, he also stated to authorities during 7 hours of interrogation that he picked his son Joran up at 3:00 a.m. from McDonald’s. Problem is that Joran initially said the Kalpoes dropped him off at home around 2:00 a.m. Did Joran get a muchie in the wee hours of the morning for a Big Mac? I don’t think so. And if so how did he arrive at McDonald’s….walk?
The dad is involved in this nightmare up to his receeding hairline!
He’s too afraid to confess.
More rumors on Joran,
At a high school he’s supposed to be known for putting drugs in drinks
He’s got anger problems
Changed his story 5 times
beware: these are RUMORS
I agree that all messages are mixed!!
pktbk yes one brother said it was a lie but the other didnt say anything I Joran is getting to the point where he doesnt know what to say anymore, adn he is scared for himself maybe we are all looking at this wrong maybe he is innocent and they let us belive that to stray from whoever are responsible, i just cant think he can handle it, he is the one being pressured the most, and if it was an accident I dont hink by now they would still be silent, something happened, they may know and they may not, but y change stories???
I thought Paul VDS said he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00??
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.
Observer – based on what I have read you seem to think this is a very simple case – if it was really that simple with someone killing her and then a dumping of the body – why is this taking so long? Also, explain the parents odd behavior?
It just seems like if they know she is alive or had any inkling that she was on another country, they would have her by now. If she IS alive, I fear the longer they wait, they run the risk of something happening to her..her kidnappers turning on her/harming her, panicking because this has gotten so huge, etc..
KatCall -That’s pretty good, laughing… He could not get any deeper than the receeding hairline!
KatCall no he said that he picked up Joran at 11 pm and take him home, then joran sneaked out, joran had skool the nest day so thats y his dad got him at 11, joran went out, but after meeting with natalee one of the brothers picked him up back, I meant after they dropped him off at the Marriott.
kat-not only that but later it was said that daddy vds said he picked him up at eleven.
do we have to wait all day before check me comes on here with some answers?
Sim – What are you hearing…facts….please….not theories.
This all prove my point we have so many rumors, and we are so quick to belive that b/c it was protrayed or someone just said it about him, anything negative about Joran ppl are so quick to say, i believe what his mother said and the Holloways and Twitty said, and for those with the rumor he tried to kil himsef, his mother said he said it isnt bad in here and that he has his bible, plus he meditates, that boy is fine, leave him alone untill he gets convicted, if he does.
Afraid of whom – Sim
for those who didnt watch greta Joran had an american girlfriend and she had good things to say about the boy, so where did he go wrong??? Come on this boy has allot going for him for his future why would he throw it away, he even broke up with a girl so he can focus on school, come on yall, they arent giving us right info.
Crs,
Keep in mind that Natalees parents have NEVER said the boys killed her. They have said they know what happened to her. As far as them seeming so composed. I think your over analyzing that. It has been reported that Jug has been having chest pains and in fact had to fly home to be checked out by his doctor. They are on a mission and focused. They need to think rational. What happens when they are home at night alone and having to try and sleep its a different story.
I siad the other day this thing is MUCH bigger than just these kids raping her and that dad is involved. He is sweating bullets.
Is it possible that NH’s dad’s seemingly odd reaction in this with little emotion is because part of him is angry with NH because she did not use better judgement. Just a thought.
Justin – They did make a point to zoom in on dad, he was pouring sweat in the interview last night.
the bio dad said that he got a call from his other daughter and she read him a poem and a story. he said he broke down that day and couldn’t help search. it all came crashing down. i think the calm side we see on tv is totally different from the one back in the hotels.
It is very hot there, thats y he was sweating, we think we know so much
CRS – You failed to respond with facts as I requested or could not refute any of the points I raised above. An explanation for the “calm” attitude of the parents is that after anguishing and being in shock for more than 3 weeks, they are starting to focus their energy and emotions on just finding her (whether it’s at the bottom of the sea through the help of the Texas team) or by finding out from Joran where her body is (and who helped dispose of the body). I’m sure the parents have felt much pain already but that pain is naturally being applied to focused aggressive energy to find NH, deal or alive. HOlloway’s have to cooperate w. the local authorities and Joran’s families b/c they have no choice – it’s a strategic approach.
An excuse that the polis are trying to keep the kidnapping theory secret so that they can find the real bad guys does not make sense, b/c the kidnappers (if there are any) have access to the news, internet and rumors, etc. and would be on to this already.
Why are so many ppl here coming to the defese of Joran and his family — do you know them?
things are getting weird here, VERY weird. just keep your eye on noord
Justin, the real dad did imply last night that they killed her when Hannity and Combs pressed him, he continuously said three boys and one girl and changing stories does equal anything good.
What is noord?
CRS said “Is it possible that NH’s dad’s seemingly odd reaction in this with little emotion is because part of him is angry with NH because she did not use better judgement. Just a thought. ”
C’mon, give me a break. Are you a parent or do you have parents? Even if your child or parent did not exercise proper judgment which led them to a dangerous situation, although you may ask “why did you do that”, you would not publicly display any ill-feelings towards your child or act like “well, she was dumb…what did she expect.” This is his kid – you really think he is still angry w/ a dauther who may be dead – those emotions of anger were probably dealt w/ within the first few hours.
Can I ask havent everyone notice that we are at the same point we were when this was first announced, b/c first it was said this boy is bad and all negative and now we hear good things to make us think, its confusing and now I dont know where this case is going but according to the news, the police are only missing one piece of the puzzle.
Observer – You make a strong case. I think everybody here is speculating in part because NH parents reactions include so much hope. It’s as if they know something everyone else does not. Also, I think everyone that posts is hoping they find NH alive and well. A happy ending. There has to be more to the story than what we’re hearing.
rem Noord is where Joran live,
Shock — What is???
Noord is where Van der Sleazes are from…
noord is a town in aruba i think. isn’t that where the kalpoe brothers live?
Houdini— I think its more than allot more than we know
I believe that Simian can give a lot of info. Sim – you said at school on time. Is that the next day? Cuz dad or step dad said the school would not confirm if he was at school the next day?
Oberserver – Simply right now I don’t know there are ANY FACTS. In your origianl posts you made many valid points but you too are specualting. How can you expect a message board to be based on facts when in fact the police and media seem to have no facts. Information comes out and is almost immediately retracted or questioned or later proved wrong by another source. The purpose of this board is to explore ideas and open our minds to other possiblities.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was something, not somewhere.
He’s afraid of the real killer. He has no way out.
Y do these ppl from Aruba keep coming on and giving their one statement and leave, if u wanna say something say it, please
Trisher no, last night somebody went to the school, I dont remeber and they said that joran was there
crs Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 10:43 am
Is it possible that NH’s dad’s seemingly odd reaction in this with little emotion is because part of him is angry with NH because she did not use better judgement. Just a thought.
NO way, CRS…! I think that is the last thing on his mind… He wants his daughter home…C’mon, we have no idea how we would react if we were in a comparable situation
What’s happening in Noord right now?
sim- do you think he is afraid of the real killer or he does not want to implicate the real killer?
NH’s parents’ reactions could just be part of grieving type process – I don’t mean to say that she is not alive. Many things in life, IMO, cause us to go through that process – step by step.
Who has no way out Simian, and by killer that mean Natalee is dead
http://www.steveyuhas.com/columns/yuhas_20050621.htm
Lady JA – I agree – there are one sentence statemetns and nothing else – as if just to tease us, and then leave us hanging and speculating. This is an anonymous board – no one can find you (unless they’re tech wizards).
Parents have hope because she has not been found dead yet — that’s their reason for hope — not because they know of an alternative theory, but b/c they have not seen the body and are wishing.
accidental drowning!, the defense, no evidence, the boyz walk….
crs-exactly! we have zero facts at this point.
Ally…just a thought on the dad, I am just puzzled by their reactions at this time like many others.
Sim – reading back – who’s too afraid to confess?
Crs,
yes I saw H&C. He stopped short of saying she was dead but it seems that he has drawn that conclusion. I also think that part of the calm right now is the fact that there are now 2 FBI agents from Alabama there and I hear the State Dept has gotten more invovled and putting pressure on the Arubian Govt. Also they have sent in a team of behavior psychologists from the FBI. I only hope they can find Natalee one way or anther (live or dead) to give us all closure. I think we are all in this to some degree.
Shock,
What is getting weird? Can you tell us anything more?
simian…i had read that. that’s so silly.
the arubans aren’t allowed to talk. that’s why we get vague details from them.
The authorities have informed the family that their is no hope of finding her alive.
Simian are you saying that she is dead
when did they say that, and y is that
simian,
Is it possible that this is just another “rumor” to try and keep the investigation under wraps?
Is that a fact Sim? Dutch – are you still here? Any thoughts?
The writer of sims article lost me as soon as he said NH was a grown woman.
CRS–thanks for acknowledging my existance today on this post…i was kinda feeling like I was sitting here alone at my lunch table in the cafeteria
I think deep down they DO believe she is not on this Earth any longer..but what else can they do right now? Running through the streets shouting “Where’s Natalee!” and crying hysterically won’t help solve anything. I am guessing they – or atleast Beth – are a bit numb right now, not knowing how to react. They need to stay strong and sane in order to figure everything out and hopefully get some closure, whether good or bad..I’m sure when the cameras are gone and they are in the privacy of their hotel rooms..there’s some breaking down going on…
Soneone asked how did the Holloways initially upon arrival come up with Joran’s name? It came from friends and was verified by Joran signing in at the Poker table at the HI casino where he met Natalee. Friends described him and the casino employees verified that was him.
Some may seem to be moving away from Joran and his family but I will must tell you the criminal mind is very deep, tricky and definitely misleading. Criminals walk the face of this earth everyday and we see them BUT don’t KNOW them! Psycopaths are the most dangerous because they appear like normal people but in an instant snap into someone with very grave and monsterous! Just think about all big name psychopaths in this world that are in jail…..How long did it take to expose and find them? Quite a while.
We are not seeing the clear picture here because there is a psychopathilogical liar this case is dealing with. It’s very difficult to penetrate them mentally or emotionally!
Sim is reporting rumours just like all of us.
checkme said yesterday that none of Simian’s theories were credible.
Sim…no offense meant but, are you giving us facts here or toying with us?
Ok maybe he is wrong, but do we all think she is alive??? I know I hope she is, but do you think??
Ally – you have been very quiet. Bham – very possible on the parents.
As usual Sim comes in and leve, he has nothing to back that up by, are we sure he is in Aruba
and checkme is spot on on everything he has said. he knew of all the action around noord, and the next night we got greta at the vander sloots front door.
Simian,
they would never come out and say there is NO hope! They tell them the odds are not looking towards a good result. Unless someone has confessed.
I find it interesting that as many as 8 others are involved or may be invovled. You would think if this was just a rape and accidental murder you would want as “few” of people invovled as possible. The more that are involved teh greater likelyhood that someone is going to slip up.
the right people are doing what needs to be done. be patient
LadyJA – Are you not reading the posts above when you ask that question. There is no theory under which she is alive, even if the theories are correct — kidnapping or human trafficking (which are extremely unlikely for the reasons discussed over the last couple of days). She was killed by one of the 3 kids and some other ppl helped dispose of the body. That’s where the investigation has been focused and will be focused. The parents are numb but have to remain resolute as that’s all they can do.
Please no more theories w/o explaining facts – looks very idiotic.
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Éà ©n getuige is gà ©Ãƒ ©n getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.
Hey Shock do you know of anything new thats happening/
At this point I could see this ending either way, I am probably leaning 55/45 that she is dead but in the beginning I was probably 99/1.
Soneone asked how did the Holloways initially upon arrival come up with Joran’s name? It came from friends and was verified by Joran signing in at the Poker table at the HI casino where he met Natalee. Friends described him and the casino employees verified that was him.
Some may seem to be moving away from Joran and his family but I will must tell you the criminal mind is very deep, tricky and definitely misleading. Criminals walk the face of this earth everyday and we see them BUT don’t KNOW them! Psycopaths are the most dangerous because they appear like normal people but in an instant snap into someone with very grave and monsterous! Just think about all big name psychopaths in this world that are in jail…..How long did it take to expose and find them? Quite a while.
We are not seeing the clear picture here because there is a psychopathilogical liar this case is dealing with. It’s very difficult to penetrate them mentally or emotionally!
Shock,
Are you in Aruba? Or do you have connections? Just wondering, and sorry if that has already been established.
Listn observer I’m sorry that you though my question of hope was idiotic, how in the world does that need fact, I asked a question of what Simian said, so maybe you need to read that post again, and think about who is the idiot here
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.
No one has openly said there is no hope. Three cadaver dogs on the way. Sonar equipment to look for a body in as deep as 300 meters of water.
Don’t you think Joran and Nat went to/run into a party on the beach after their were dropped off…Nat was dragged away from Joran or Joran thought their were OK but got rough with Nat…Killed her and on eof them took her away.
At this party was the DJ…who has given up the other names…they are probably just trying to figure who did what…
Observer – you keep talking like there are facts but you yourself continue to engage in speculation.
observer-what are you? the fact police? get a grip. no one here has facts to discuss rather than our own personal lives, and that’s not what we are here for. you are the one looking idiotic.
monkey-the police are doing what needs to be done?
I think Sim and Checkme are totally wrong! I’m sorry (no pun intended). I think that NH family is a little careful in what they say, but only because they have been told that if this investigation is leaked out in any way, the boys would WALK. And they (NH FAMILY) of course DO NOT want this to happen. As for NH mother being so strong, GOD is giving her the strength to keep this story alive and in the news. That is why she is out there with Greta giving out bracelets and prayer cards! The boys stories are still a bit confusing, but they pretty much know (the authoriteis), that Joran is the last person that was with her, and that “something bad” happened while he was with her. This of course being either an accidental drowning, or an overdose.
Crs thank you for answering that idiotic question according to observer, I just asked a simple question, that he belives I neede facts to ask, I’m like this do u think she is alive or not, I dont know anymore the media says too many different things, I was just saying I am hoping she is, I have every right to hope.
Thank you for ur defense crs
I think the “others” that Sim is talking about are the little green people he sees!!!
Sorry – I’m not suggesting I have facts, but am just trying to draw the most apparent and logical conclusions from the few facts we do have — whom she was last seen with (and witnessed with) and the differing stories. I’m just trying to keep people focused on logic when they expound alternate theories. Pardon my bad tone — I’ve been reading these posts for several days now but am frustrated at where nothing goes – but am addicted and cannot stop reading.
sim-you don’ think that is to throw off people looking toward the real suspects or where nat really is?
Simian – Steve Yuhas’ column has some valid questions. I think one of the things that has caught the public’s attention is that NH was a “straight A” student, acheiving Honor Roll status upon graduation. The fact that her bags were packed and her passport was in her room beg the question “What happened to her?” The lack of information for the length of the investigation so far just breeds speculation.
> Aruba: Natalee Holloway Would Have Been a One Day Story if Her Name
> was Lateefah
> by: Steve Yuhas
> Michael Jackson was found not guilty, Scott Peterson is on death row,
> there is no “missing” bride to be and Nancy Grace doesn’t have much
> to talk (or cry) about so it was wonderful when the story of a
> missing American in Aruba fell right into cable news show laps. The
> problem with the coverage that 18-year-old Natalee Holloway’s
> “disappearance” is generating is not that it is being covered, after
> all it is a story when a person goes missing, but it has been at the
> top of virtually every newscast for almost a month and even I
> (normally not a skeptical race carder) am wondering if Natalee was
> named Lateefah (African for gentle or pleasant) if the cable news
> world would be fixated on her disappearance.
>
> Holloway went missing on May 30th, it is now almost the end of June
> and still her disappearance is leading the news as if President Bush
> did not announce he will visit Vietnam, the Congress remains embattled
> over nominations, American cities are on the verge of bankruptcy and
> that there is something particularly special about Natalee Holloway.
> In what should have been a one or two day story where nothing new has
> been learned, except that the black men taken into custody initially
> have been released and no charges were conferred against them, the
> media is fixated on Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot – a
> 17-year-old being held along with three others in Aruba.
>
> Van der Sloot is the son of an Arubian judge so a judge from a
> neighboring island, Curacao, was assigned to a case that is quickly
> growing out of control. Justice officials in Aruba say it is not
> unusual that in high profile cases that judges come from neighboring
> islands to assist local judges and keeping Van der Sloot in custody
> will give police time to either rule him out or create a case against
> him. Holloway, from Alabama, went to Aruba, a safe island that
> boasted only one murder in all of 2004, to celebrate her graduation
> from high school with 124 classmates and 40 chaperones (ok 7, but
> sarcasm never hurt – either way – where were they during all this).
> News appearances by her family suggest that Holloway is the epitome
> of virtue and that whatever befell her had to be the work of sinister
> forces, but one has to wonder – why Aruba?
>
> As stores sell out of yellow ribbons in her hometown and FBI agents
> and all of the resources of the Arubian government (including the
> Prime Minister of the Dutch colony, Nelson Oduber, who told a
> television audience that finding Holloway was the “number one goal”
> of the island) are focused on finding the US citizen questions
> concerning what Holloway was doing the night she presumably vanished
> have to be asked. It is not enough for Nancy Grace to cry every night
> (watch the show – she does – oh and yells) or for Greta Van Susteren
> to take up residence in Aruba to cover the story – no we need more so
> every night for the last month no news means a full hour of talking
> about the same thing over and over again.
>
> This is what we know: Natalee Holloway was visiting Aruba, she was
> staying at the Holiday Inn and on the night before she was to return
> to the United States she went to a Boyz II Men concert at Surfside
> beach, stayed until closing time (1:00am) at a bar called Carlos ‘N
> Charlie’s and was wearing a blue-and-green striped, low-cut blouse,
> denim miniskirt and sandals. That’s it – that is all we know yet
> every cable network has not only followed the story, but updates us
> every hour on the hour with no news to report and reporters are now
> making the peaceful and safe island of Aruba out to be something akin
> to visiting Mexico without sufficient bribe money for police
> officers.
>
> Holloway is consistently described by news outlets as a “teenager” as
> if she was not of legal age or she had just received her driver’s
> permit. It is true that she is eighteen, but in Aruba that is old
> enough to get into bars and clubs and drink the night away (witnesses
> say that Holloway was drinking the night she disappeared and
> throughout her stay); Holloway is a missing person, a grown woman,
> and the idea that this case has become so blown out of proportion
> baffles me. There is nothing significant about it insofar as a grown
> woman is missing, there are tons of them all over the United States
> and the world, but for some reason the blonde hair and consistent
> statements of her family that she was a “good girl” and her
> disappearing is “out of character” for her continue to get air play.
> Now her parents want to sue because they’re not getting everything
> they want from the Arubian authorities – well crimes happen!
>
> Arubans should be commended for being one of the safest places in the
> world – donuts to dollars crime is lower in Aruba than in Holloway’s
> hometown or closest large city.
>
> I’m not so naà ¯ve not to understand that when the news is slow and
> when your fame and fortune depends on major, high profile cases
> falling into your lap so that your angry and vitriolic tone can help
> boost ratings for CNN that you don’t jump at the chance to cover and
> cry over a story (read: Nancy Grace), but for Greta Van Susteren to
> cover the case with such vigor is overkill for someone who typically
> balances out the sensational with the standard and mundane, yet
> important, legal issues of the day. Something has to explain what it
> is about Holloway that makes her disappearance so special and the
> disappearance of so many people that are just normal every day people
> that they make the headlines so often.
>
> There is no other explanation for the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s
> disappearance from Aruba and the continuous coverage of it other than
> the fact that she is a pretty white girl who presumably went missing
> in Aruba at the hands of the son of a judge. Had Natalee been black
> and had she went missing in Jamaica, I hardly think that Nancy or
> Greta would be crying (well Nancy would cry because that is what makes
> Nancy Grace who she is) or taking up residence there. We’ve seen this
> story play out too many times for me not to believe that there is
> something about how a presumed victim looks that drives the coverage
> and that is a sad admission for me to make.
>
> Holloway is a grown woman who went to Aruba because she wanted to
> have a good time, yes there were chaperones, but where were they when
> she was in a bar drinking with folks she may have known only for a
> few days or a week? Where were the chaperones when night fell and the
> bars closed knowing that she had a plane to catch the next morning to
> check on her to make sure she was okay? The chaperone to student
> ratio during her trip was better than the guest to staff rate at a
> five star hotel – surely someone should have noticed that she was not
> there. More importantly though: why did Holloway leave, as witnesses
> have accounted many times, in a car with people if she was the
> virtuous girl that she was when the bar closed when she should have
> gone to bed?
>
> Outside of the question of race: how come when the Holloway’s talk or
> supporters talk about the Alabama contingent and the “children” they
> were and their inability to control themselves and how vulnerable
> they were they use words like “child,” “children,” or “kids;”
> meanwhile, the accused, who is 17, is a “man” or “young man?” Either
> Holloway was a child at 18 and therefore it follows that the accused
> is as well since he was a year her junior or she is an adult. Since
> the Holloway’s have made it clear that the “man” who is accused of
> doing the unthinkable is a mature adult, then so too is their
> daughter and she is at least partly responsible for whatever happened
> to her. A hard pill to swallow, but the Holloway’s cannot have it
> both ways and the media should not allow it.
>
> If Van der Sloot is a man, a mature adult accused of complicity in
> the disappearance of Holloway, then she is a woman and this colossal
> over-reaction that will kill the tourist industry of one of the safest
> places on earth and cost many people their jobs is a sham. Not to
> mention the fact that stories coming out of Aruba talk about the
> Alabama contingent as less than being as pure as the driven snow.
>
> These are questions that the news simply won’t ask a grieving family
> looking for their loved one, but someone has to start asking why this
> story is getting so much attention. Holloway is a grown woman who may
> have left Aruba on her own accord or may have been the victim of foul
> play – either way the story is old and tiresome and it almost makes
> me miss the days of slow speed helicopter coverage of the Michael
> Jackson convoy arriving at court or the Peterson jury deliberation
> clock that appeared when the jury was in session.
>
> I’m not a race baiter and not someone who typically looks for trends
> concerning race, beauty or victim- hood, but in this case there is no
> other explanation for the amount of coverage Natalee Holloway received
> for not making her plane back to Alabama from Aruba. I hate to say
> it, but there may be something to the notion that it pays to have
> white skin when it comes to disappearing because I don’t know the face
> of a single missing black or brown person, but I know plenty of white
> ones and the one I have seen for nearly every day for a full month
> has been Natalee Holloway.
>
> I hope they find out what happened to her, if anything, and that she
> returns home safely, but if that is not the case I find myself hoping
> that one day I’ll recognize a missing black woman when she disappears
> and hear her mother’s pleas for a safe return in the same volume as
> I’ve heard for a grown woman from Alabama.
>
> I realize this column is going to anger some – I’ve already received
> the emails and believe me I feel for the family, but the criticism is
> about behavior of the family (threatening to sue one of the safest
> places on earth), the missing woman’s friends (for waving good-bye as
> she got into the car of men she did not know) and the media for
> focusing on this woman as if she is the only person missing on earth.
> There is a pattern about missing people and cases covered and call me
> whatever you want, but I don’t recall a lot of attention paid to
> missing people of color – I am a conservative and hardly a player of
> the race card, but I call a spade a spade and when every person on
> television who is a victim is white and the victims who are not have
> no coverage or a mere blip, some people notice.
>
> I did and wrote about it – it is what I do as an opinion writer and
> radio host. If you don’t like the opinion – you should have stopped
> reading before you got here.
>
> Steve Yuhas is a columnist and radio talk show host on KOGO AM 600
> out of San Diego. He may be reached at steve@steveyuhas.com or
> http://www.steveyuhas.com
I thank everyone that is supporting me against observer thank you.
major activity in noord. more than before! the island is hot today. red hot! big like the moon was lastnight. remember, its not always as it appears to be. ask csr, he knows all.
Jake, I was thinking on the “something bad” comment….is it not possible the question was asked to one of the suspects “what do you think happened” think being the key word and one of them said “I think something bad must have happened” which could mean they thought she was kidnapped or drowned or whatever. Hence, someone listening to the interrogation and may have heard just those few words then jumped to conclusions which resulted in the later retraction.
SHOCKtheMOKEY Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:18 am
the submarine pinged….im being watched
BY WHO SHOCK?
things are getting weird here, VERY weird. just keep your eye on noord
WHAT THINGS? WHERE IS HERE? YOU CLOSE TO NOORD?
the right people are doing what needs to be done. be patient
I CAN BE PATIENT, BUT CAN YOU BE LESS OBSCURE?
I must tell u all, again, checkme knows too much it is scary..Like we have stated before, he has been very accurate…re-read these statements he wrote last night
Checkme Says:
he wrote this to me
AllyinMiami,
This was a setup, but not by VDS (junior or senior). But they may have been used as a veil. In that sense they are as much a victim as NH.
pror to that, he wrote this to CRS:
This just looks more and more like a puppet show to me.
I must say, they play the part very well. How come I just don’t believe them. Proly because I know what I know. Especially when I hear NH’s Mom talk I get this very strong feeling that she knows exactly what is going on but is not allowed to divulge. Otherwise she would have given up. She was an emotional wreck in the first week. The second week there was not much of her anywhere. But since last week my feelings were being reinforced more and more…
he consistently says that her parents are “acting”…playing a part…I think they may know what has happened; however, they are baiting someone..luring them in; so that they gather more evidence….I believe they have an idea as to what has happened..they are just hooking these criminals in, and strategically moving their next chess piece
Observer is an attorney. He can’t help himself by trying to look at the situation in a more intellectual manner than most of us! This is their way of thinking!
Shock,
Ok, maybe I’m missing something or maybe I haven’t had enough coffee, or maybe I’m just dumb.
What kind of activity, are you there? Can you please give us more information??
Dutch: Give it up, the bottom line is that her name ISN’T Lateefa, it’s Natalee. I wonder if this case would have already been solved if the suspects name was Jones?
Hasn’t anyone ever wondered why Natalee’s family hasn’t put out a national broadcast saying something like, “To anyone out there, and to Natalee, if you can hear me, please, PLEASE come home. We miss you and love you and we want you home. If anyone has any information please come forward. We are willing to cooperate. Thank you.” Even the mountain boy’s mother said something like that. And her son was lost on a mountain where he had NO tv to look at and see that. It just doesnt make sense.
Observer, I think we all felt orignally like you that this young lady was most likely raped and murdered and as you say that would be a very logical conclusion. NH refused at some point and certainly to keep her quiet it would not be impossible for someone to put their hand over her mouth resulting in suffocation. As time has gone on, many of us have opened our mind to other ideas.
ally-thanks for posting those! see! he so knows what is going on. i really agree that this is just a show to take the attention off of where the real police work is being done. the puppet show…i had not equated that to how the parents were acting, but that makes sense. they know, they just can’t say. wow.
Ally
You are right. That’s what checkme means. He knows that Natalee’s parents know what’s going on and they are all acting. This is why everything has taken so long. This is why no one is ASKING the parents, “Do you think that Natalee is in Venezuela? Do you think Natalee has been taken to Columbia?” NO ONE will ask that, because it will trigger whoever has Natalee to do something bad to her. I know it.
Waiting for a call…
Please don’t post long articles – please use links – it slows the reload time so much.
CSR, Shock says you know all and to ask you, I’m asking. Seems like things comin’ to a head here, maybe some news today. How about some additional info?
I still think Geraldo is on location waiting for this to break
Sorry Jake, didnt mean anything with it, just agreed that media coverage in general was excessively high. How many persons have been missing and shot since May 30th? Eg on St Thomas 2 US Citizens were shot while visiting for a wedding. I think a few got missing on Jamaica. No front page news, too bad.
Anyway: hope the case is solved soon, in a positive way offcourse.
these boards are being watched. wording of comments are monitored and being obscure is the only way to communicate right now.
kristin-i think them being on the national news channels is enough to get the word out. the dad made a public plea last night.
I will believe checkme until there are facts or proof he is wrong, he has been right 100% so far.
Katcall, thanks for the defense. Being a lawyer, I can’t help asking people to explain what they mean when they say something. I know this is a blog for discussion purposes only and not to find the cure for cancer, but it’s more productive and meaningful when theories (feel free to make as as you want) are backed up by something and questioned — in doing so, we may end up actually proving the theories you’re advancing (kidnapping and other).
I don’t know about American law but under Dutch law there is always little to no news about a case. Because it might influence the outcome.
Big Pappy – i certainly do not know all – i am guessing like all of us – it seems to me like this is all a few days or even a week from resolution and all of us getting some real facts and information.
crs-my thought on the “something bad” is EXACTLY the same as yours. I just find it so weird that if NH was in another country, there are no signs of FBI, CIA DEA or anyone else looking for her in Colombia and Venezuela. Don’t you find that weird. You know very well that NOTHING escapes our media people, and there are no signs of a search going on overseas. I think that they are waiting for a confession from the boy. That is why Sim says “No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.” There was only one person that was with Natalee when she died, and that is Joran, and the way the father fits in is that he knows the laws and has prohibited Joran from talking. Joran is really depressed about this. His conscious is killing him, as it would any 17 yr old!!! Daddy does not want to throw away his career, and mom is stuck in the middle!
dutch-but did their families go down and get in people’s faces looking for answers? were they requesting local search teams? that makes a difference. it’s sadly up to the families involved to get the story out there. if natalee’s parents went home and let aruba solve this, we wouldn’t hear anything until it’s over, if then.
Whoever said it – what’s happening in Noord?
But again, if they think she’s in Columbia or Venezuela, would’nt they all be travelling to Venezuela or Columbia now or getthing their authorities involved? Just a question – not trying to be rude.
Kristin, so the people that have her would watch news and if they talk about Venezuela or Columbia it would tip them off and they would do something bad to her? Well heres to hoping they don’t blog cause while this is great, if they are checking this out it would not be good. Really, don’t you think they would not have heard even hints from the blog/news by now of the kidnapping scenario and done something? I truly think we’re in the end game here, it’s all puppets and strings, I feel like things have already gone down and details are being ironed out and loose knots tied before going public. Just my feeling.
Shock & CRS, activity in Noord?
how do we know the fbi and cia aren’t in columbia or venezuala? we don’t know where they are any other time.
Shock,
I understand. It isn’t any less frustrating but I understand;)
Do you think this will be over soon?
Observer–what kind of attorney?
who’s to say they’re not already in Venezuela or Columbia?
Activity in Noord? Come on guys, what’s up?
As a side note – if I went missing and people looked at my picture they’d say to not bother looking.
exactly vanessa
the u.s. government has undercover stings all the time. we don’t know until it’s over.
EquuSearch hired by the family usually means probability that the news will not be good once there is discovery. Tim Miller is the owner of EquuSearch, his daughter was missing for 17 days before he-himself found her dead. This discovery catapulted him to get his own search firm. I understand his search fim of all US firms is THEE A LIST of all search and resue/recovery.
Very high powered Sonar will definitely be used underwater. Horses will be used for rugged terrain, cadaver dogs for shallow graves, caves, landfills etc.
The answer is eminent! Always remember, where the is a crime commted, the criminal always leaves some kind of evidence behind! Stay tuned!
Jake/observer – I can not argue with either of you, yes, it would seem like there would be some attention being paid to other islands and, yes, much does not get by the media. But, I can see where all this would be done through back channels, you are dealing with other countries and governments and could be trying not to let on you are aware of what happened or order to get NH back as I could see where it would be someone’s opinion that if would leaked out NH could be killed. Common sense and logic say this is far fetched certainly but at the same time I can see it happening. We all must admit there is not much logical about this case so far.
is anyone watching the news right now? someone needs to be the lookout for new stuff so we don’t talk about the same thing all day.
they have been and still are in columbia and venequela…..way big stuff going on…..way big
Way to go pktbk! Those of us who are stuck at work (working ?) are out of the news loop. WHAT’S HAPPENING IN NOORD?
CRS:
I completely agree…there is absolutely nothing logical about this case…
the PIMPle is about to pop
Nothing being reported anywhere about activity in Noord.
Only from Shock.
I am sure if something notable happens it will be on the internet quick, I hop over to cnn and foxnews every so often and there is nothing new.
Shock,
Who have been and still are in columbia and venezuela??
Rob u in Aruba
Checkme must have limited access to the web during the day because lately it seems he has been on a lot more at night.
Rob is in San Diego, I believe….
Kristin–u r right…our media would have already asked the family if they “thought she was in another country”..they haven’t asked b/c they do not want these people to know that they are on to them….checkme could be right… we are all “puppets”..the american media can be helping their investigation by using themselves as a decoy…remaining quiet, continuing to search in aruba and not other countries..It is very odd that their hasn’t been any media reports from any other country. Don’t u think we would have reported over their asking “have u seen this girl?” along with her photograph…In retrospect that could be why they took Geraldo off this case, he has demonstrated the tendency to divulge too much….
Monkey – are you related to Simian? I mean, just by virtue of your names? And the types of posts you make – clues, mysterious
pktbk: good point.
Unfortunately you (your family) have (has) to find the publicity yourself (themselves). Offcourse to a missing case there’s a possible good outcome of the investigation, in a double murder the outcome of the investigation doesn’t really matter too much.
Still think you have to admit that the way it is being picked up by media is a little extreme. Maybe because they knew it might last more than a few days, so it would be a story to get ‘repeated” viewers.
no problem trish….i think the actual news on tv would break quicker than the net. maybe by a few minutes, but still.
SHOCKtheMONKEY Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:18 am
these boards are being watched. wording of comments are monitored and being obscure is the only way to communicate right now.
But being obscure is NOT communicating. If you have valid information and you care about finding Natalee, either post what you know, or don’t post at all, the additional mystery, misdirection, and obscurity of posts from people who “seem in the know” only additionally muddies the water surrounding the entire case.
I appreciate what these folks seem to offer, but I don’t really get people like CheckMe. Why give small tidbits of information, is it the thrill or are you really trying to get additional information out to other bloggers. If you are, why not just say it all and be done with it? Either that or say nothing, right? What is the purpose beyond that? Scared to “hurt the investigation”? Just does not make sense to me.
As far as “people are watching”, if they are, you are only being obscure so they don’t knock on your door and wack you off this blog for good, more of a self preservation thing more than trying to save the investigation. If they aren’t watching, you certainly have nothing to fear by providing your information.
So come on folks, put your cards on the table? Or give a good reason as to why you won’t?
Whoever asked, observer is a corporate attorney, I asked yesterday. ALLY – many good points – although I wonder if Geraldo who is on assignment is getting an exclusive and is in one of the countries mentioned. Think about what a huge story that would be for him and fox.
Shock–
Are you in Aruba??
Is Jake here, he had been watching news, while posting before. What about Arubagirl? Has anyone heard from her?
Hey MOM……….Anything new here?
the boys are innocent. only witness. co and sa are key.
PIMPle about to pop?
Great, more “read between the lines” stuff
So this involves a pimp SHOCK?
Big Popy – I think checkme tries to make sure his facts are correct before posting and he has multiple legit sources which I respect – hence his screenname – Checkme.
If she HAD be kidnapped, which by itself is a streach, all this publicity certainly makes her a BIG liability to her kidnappers (way outweighing any value)
Thanks crs–I asked
I also think that you are on to something with Geraldo not being around.
Dutch–are you in Aruba??
sorry “there” not “their”—I am at work and my work is distracting my blogs…..
as if?!!!!
I have officially transitioned from an excellent worker to an incompetent one… I am obsessed with this case.
Shock, what are CO and SA?
Who are Co and Sa??? Shock.
I’m with ya Pappy. Co must be Colombia. SA – South America?
Hey Larry!
I have no idea…just obscure posts…supposedly a ‘PIMPLE’ is about to pop in Venezuala & Columbia. Man…That’s a BIG ASS pimple!
is aruba on easter standard time?
OK–can someone please tell me if Shock is in Aruba???
How do you have all of this information?? And what is co and sa???
I am getting more confused–jeeez trading options is easier than this s#@*
Does anyone have any updates on the search team from Texas??? I have heard they are there now.
Yes kris
pktbk – i think it is an hour or two later.
CRS—u could be right…Geraldo is no where, and shortly after he said to Beth that he would find her daughter, he disappeared.
Big Pappy,
From my understanding, and you can go back through the blog to read this, but Kristin informed us that ArubaGirl, who was originally keeping us informed was snatched from the blog and questioned by authorities because she was keeping us informed and even going to lengths of giving names…so although we do want to be informed…I don’t want to risk anyone getting in trouble behind it…because now I haven’t heard from Arubagirl at all and I for one miss her…
MOM……
Stand clear from the stuff that will be flying out of it too……….I think there are so many people involved in this story, that we will ALL be shocked.
Mike1, agreed on the liability, which is why this has to do with big money and big players, if she is alive, no reason to keep her that way beyond some REAL motivation of huge power and money. And if Columbia and South America are involved, not hard to figure some scenarios for that.
I honestly think the whole Geraldo thing lends credibility to other theories….like Ally said two nights after he made that promise to Beth he was out of there and on assignment. A little too coincidental particularly with no other big stories.
i meant easterN not easter…..lol *blush*
Well, if she really is in Columbia or Venezuela, all hope is lost. We can deal w/ Arubans – they’re a division of a respectable westernized advanced country (Netherlands). Columbia and Venezuela are armpits of nations (not their people but their governments and the political and drug-led corruption and power). No way those countries are going to help, unless we cut some drug deal with them.
Ladyja,
Yes what? Sorry I am trying to work and keep up, but it appears to not be working
Dan Riehl is now reporting the reward is $150K, again coincidence?
are any of you in aruba as am i? if you dont want my clues then i wont post anymore. my safety isn’t worth it…..
he is in Aruba, sorry
CRS:
An Alabama bank donated the other money to increase the reward amount.
crs—
Do you think that something is about to happen??
Observer – excellent point, hence possibly the secrecy.
The Columbian or Venezuelan govt would tell the American authorities to f*** off and would kidnap the American media there and skin them. Maybe the Arubans would be treated better.
Shock
Post the clues but keep your low profile please
crs-really? wow.
Fashion, my point is that to provide only non-connectable tidbits is more frustrating than hearing nothing. Mysterious comments that get us nowhere do nothing to help find Natalee, only serve to allow those providing them a sense of control as they dole out supposedly legitmate tips. Beyond that, I don’t see the point.
Could your legitimate information save Natalee by posting it here?
THEN POST IT ENTIRELY!
Could your legitimate information hurt Natalee?
THEN SAY NOTHING!
Anything inbetween can’t serve anything but ego
My thoughts.
Kris – I don’t feel that…..my gut is we are still days or as much as a couple weeks out on this.
Ladyja,
thanks
Shock–stay, I am interested in what you have to say–or if you prefer I can send you my email..
I hope to God that this will all be over soon, for the sake of the family
Larry….I think you’re right on the money…we’re gonna be in for a shocker!!! I do hope there is some positive news soon, though!
*stands clear of the big pimple*
p.s. to Shock: I appreciate any info you can share.
CRS, Kris,and anyone else…what do u think checkme meant when he stated this?
Checkme Says:
June 22nd, 2005 at 8:54 pm
Kristin,
Now why would NH out up a poster for her Mom? Note the wording, like Mom knows NH does not want to talk to her… Reward was written in the beginning, later versions of the poster would have an amount printed on them.
Island sport is to troll the bars for tourists. (remember the security guards?) Meet young tourists, get them drunk, take them to the “lighthouse”. I believe these guys just went pharmaceutical. With “roofies”, often you have no memory. It was her last night on the island, even if she did remember, she’d be on a plane home. No confrontation for the boyz. Perhaps she had taken a recreational drug the boyz were unaware of or maybe she just overdosed on the roofie alone. Joran reminds me of Scott peterson. I think the boyz will walk, and with no cause of death, this ruled an unfortunate accidential drowning…
sorry i meant kristin above—that damn work again
Ally,
I am not sure what that means, as I am not familiar with the posts prior to that one. Is that in referrence to the poster of NH and Mom with the “Please call me Hootie” or something like that?
Shock, I don’t understand what the clues serve? This is not a mystery GAME, it’s a real mystery involving many players, their well-being and lives. Being on the inside only to report CLUES to the blog nation, especially if you are in real danger from real people, serves no purpose.
You asked, so I’d like to see you spill it all and get offline and out of house immediately after, or stop providing clues. My $.02
Shock,
If you read my previous post, I tend to agree with you, I don’t want you to get in trouble behind this, but just a suggestion: If you take a look at Checkme’s wording in his post, maybe there is a better way you can say what you want to without it sounding like a riddle….just a suggestion…
ally….that one confuses me.
big papy-shock is basically doing the same thing the news is. they are interviewing people that can’t say anything, yet they are on there every night.
i think we will get a better idea of how long this thing is going to last possibly tomorrow. depends on how long it takes the judge to review the information given him tomorrow.
Ally – Checkme wrote that cuz someone asked him if Natalee put that poster up herself.
ArubaGirl’s last comment was the other day:
“It is now confirmed that all 3 boys did rape Natalee and the she was drugged. The drugs came from S. Croes”
We have not heard from ArubaGirl since.
When Laci Peterson was missing my gut reaction was that Scott did it. No kidnapping by someone in the van, it was Scott
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Not knowing ANYTHING else but what is on the news or on this blog, my gut reaction is that NH was not kidnapped and sent to Columbia or Venezula, not a runaway, nor was she abducted by aliens. The answers lie with the bro’s and the dutch kid. It is all going to boil down to when one of them fess’s up.
kat-wow…..that’s huge.
but didn’t someone say she was on another board or something? her and americaaruba?
Kris, I am on Aruba. Not listening to radio though, but ….. I think it’s awfully quiet.
KatCall:
Do you have a link where I can go and read that?
trisher–no, honey..what i meant was what did checkme mean when he wrote that the poster implied that Nat wouldn’t want to speak with her mother
dutch–calm before the storm?
big pappy, im not accustomed to risking my safety to give information. i thought my information would be appreciated here, i was wrong. i will leave you to your own devices. i thought u would like to know first hand whats happening here. your u.s. news never tells all. NEVER.
Thanks Dutch,
Just trying to figure out who is where? Do you know if the team from Texas is there yet and have begun searching?
yes, Kris that is the poster, the hootie one
AmericaninAruba was AWESOME! I miss him/her. Kept us all in the immediate LOOP! Current on all afairs going on in the case. Even rented a top level hotel room in the Marriott during the search to get a BIG BIRDS eve view of what was taking place at the FRUITLESS search last week. He’s our gal/guy we need on this board again.
Shock,
I have asked Tom to pass on my email, as I am very interested in discussing this with you further.
Ally – did you see the poster? Maybe Dutch can give you the link if you did not. It implies, only IMO, something strange about the disappearance.
Ya know, I believe Shock knows what is going on. But I still don’t get it. Someone already mentioned about Arubagirl. Shock, if you are really in danger for giving out information, and could meet the same blog fate as Arubagirl, you would have unplugged your computer long ago. Not hard to find out who you are with the correct connections. I dig the “clues” but find them of no useful importance other than playing into the blog reality mystery game everyone is playing right now.
Not attacking Shock, just frustrated. If you could be in that much danger, you’re a complete fool for posting at all, that’s what I dont’ understand. What is the purpose of providing the clues? Who are they provided for? Not Natalees family, not the authorities, not the media, only for bloggers, noone else.
SHOCK don’t go…it is very much appreciated
Ahh, ok. Do you think that maybe, just maybe she did run away? That would lead one to believe that NH, if alive, doesn’t want to talk to her? Is there anything on the rumors of her running away before?
FashionQueen:
Due to the size of these blogs, they must erase prior comments so as not to slow down this website. Us bloggers have been going nuts over this case and old info has to be dumped. Sorry I cannot trackback to find ArubaGirls comments but I have an exceptional memory.
ArubaGirl’s last comment was the other day:
“It is now confirmed that all 3 boys did rape Natalee and the she was drugged. The drugs came from S. Croes”
We have not heard from ArubaGirl since.
THATS SERIOUS, but confirmed by whom?
Anyway: if she is in Colombia or Venezuela she’s probably lost. Both presidents are probably worse then Castro if it comes to US relations. Although most Venezuelan oil goes to the US. With the tensions in Nigeria and news about oil capacity maybe not being high enough, I dont see a problem for Chavez.
Bad area for Natalee to be is the southern border between Colombia and Venezuela. It’s the northern end of the Andes mountains and it’s a no-man’s land. That’s where tourists get kidnapped and guerilla’s are hiding.
Guerilla’s (supposedly Colombians) pulled off a multiple bankrobbery on Aruba a few years ago. Came in like an army, left with a fast boat, never seen since.
Shock, you can go if you want, but don’t make it like I drove you away. As I stated, my opinion, my $.02, majority on here probably want you to stay and keep providing. But whether it is you, CheckMe, or anyone else, providing pieces of the puzzle here to the blog I just don’t get as it furthers nothing but more speculation.
Kris:
http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg
Oh, I believe you…you know how it is when you just want to see for yourself….
Big Pap you’re a real Chap! Tell em!
shock forward me to on Kris’ e-mails alina626@aol.com
The dad said last night when she 3 or 4 she got out of the house but that is it. Does anyone know how long Jug has been around, how long has he been married to NH’s mom, I am not suggesting anything by the way, just looking for info.
well thanks a bunch big pappy……….now we’ll get natta, nill, nothing!
As CRS said yesterday to You KNOW WHO:
“Stop telling us we are getting pudding and then eating it yourself”! We need the 411!
exactly…i hope this doesn’t deter check me from posting. even if it doesn’t help the case, it helps our curiosity and concern. if this were happening in my neighborhood…trust me, i would be doing the same thing.
thanks again for the poster dutch.
crs–thanks again. I don’t think that she ran away, but with the rumors before I was just wondering.
Hello was at lunch anything new?
Romors of running away: supposedly her stephdad said it to someone I personally know. I read here that in the press NH’s Mom said this rumor was started by a walk out of the house at age 3 when the door was accidentally left open.
note: RUMORS travel WAAAAY to fast
The people on Aruba are our best source for info in this case.
Thanks Dutch–
I was wondering about that poster. Are they still up or have they gone?
No Bham. It’s like a soap opera – you can leave for days and come back and know everything.
Can someone verify this for me. A friend of mine said that once they put a body in the water in Aruba that I will never turn up. They said because it is about 1,000 feet down and they will not find it. They said it is not like the United States where the body eventually turns up.
san-it can be found. tim miller of the equu search team said that the gases in the body will make it float even if it was weighted down. if sea animals ate on it, some would wash ashore somewhere. i don’t think they had time enough to totally chop her so she couldn’t be found.
Trisher – sad but true.
San – depending upon where it was put in the ocean off Aruba it varies – some spots it would come back to shore some spots it would go all the way to Panama , I also heard it would have to weighted down to prevent it from coming up.
Note that I took the pic of the poster myself, thought wordings were strange and insinuating runaway. Also thought reward was not set at all in the beginning, then was set, but fairly low, and now with contributions from all sides is going up.
Oh, what does NH’s biological dad do? Heard (yeah again HEARD) he’s a big shot arms dealer? Please say it aint so, cause this case is gonna get messed up by rumors.
Could it be that the Texas Search Team is begining their search in Noord? That is why Sim said that something was starting to happen there? Just a thought.
Mom
Are you still here?
I heard the search team is there now and getting started
crs-Laci was weighted down, and still came up! Torso only!
San:
This is why EquuSearch is using HIGH-TECH SONAR! Very sophistacted underwater imagery device. Was used to find JFK, Jr. the plane, his wife, and her sister. It is know to find people, objects as far as 20,000 feet deep and JFK, Jr. and his family were at least 4,000 feet deep underwater.
Why would the Holloway family hire such a firm with this kind if technology? We have an idea?
Where can I see this poster?
crs-scroll up…dutch made a link.
No offense to Sim but he needs to be right about something first before I hop on the bandwagon.
Noord is the town Joran lives in.
KRIS: posters are still up, but less than in the first week. Took the pic yesterday only and then noted they weren’t up everywhere anymore.
Well, its just a paper print so when it starts to look ugly businesses might tear them down.
Also maybe about all the unfair media coverage which is not really appreciated on Aruba. Thats why the rumors are much more towards NH running away then being killed. Although Joran seems to have a bad rep. Sorry, make it a questionable rep.
OMG! i just read the poster..and an earlier post on here makes sense. someone asked ‘why did she get a local cell, why didn’t she use the one she had’. i thought they were talking about natalee, but after reading the poster, it was beth that got the local phone. duh!!
she obviously didn’t want nat to have to worry about long distance international calls.
Dutch–
I actually just read a really interesting post on Riehl World. Noting that NH’s mom was with the FBI one day after her disappearance. That her (NH) dad works in the government. Again could be rumors but…
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_38.html
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After viewing the poster it is a little odd, makes me think the relationship was not as strong as said or they had a fight recently.
Dutch – can you elaborate on what you “hear” from the locals about the “questionable rep?”
Dutch
How many golf courses are there on Aruba? I know of one.
KatCall:
Thanks for the info.
Shock the monkey sounds like he (or she?) is full of sh#t. Just like all of the other wanna be experts and so-called insiders w/inside info. (on or off Aruba) What a crock. He/she doesn’t know any more than anyone else does. “Something big” could happen any moment anyway so what is the gratification of acting like you know the deal or being a big shot on this blog? All this armchair quarterback meets Agatha Christie stuff is ridiculous.
Some people are too suspicious and dont have any common sense, purpose ,goals or grounding so they constantly have to split hairs and come up with theory after theory after theory and then they dont even beleive the truth when it is ultimately proven. It has been proven that people like that are essentially paranoid,insecure and dont trust in anything because ultimately they dont trust themselves. It is up to them to patch that hole in their lives.
Thank God for the common sense people that have alway accomplished things and built the ship that you and everyone else are taking the ride on.
Like the Rolling Stones said “let’s drink to the hard working people, let’s drink to the salt of the earth”
The rest of you (the minority) talk in circles and would probably do so forever if you were able. blah,blah,blah
Than God you (and no one else) is able to do that. We are all born equal and die equal like it or not.
It is totally hilarious to see how many people have been getting so complicated on this blog. (How many of you work?) From what I’ve seen, the smartest comments have been some of the most simple and humble comments as well as the ones that mix in humor to keep it relaxed.
note to crs and checkme: I’m glad you 2 impress each other so much, (and brown nose each other) because my observation (as well as others on the blog and here where I am who occasionally read this) is that we haven’t heard anything either of you has said that is any more relevant or inspirational than some of the other (better) blogs.
Joran said:
To Beth: Threw his head back, then hit his chest and said “What do you want me to do”!
Same day: Told him mom: Mom don’t worry, everything will be alright. You’ll see:
4 days later: Told authorities “Something bad happened”
The nest week: Story changes about being dropped off, times, places all change!
Follow me…..I smell a psychopath!
PSA – well said.
PSA-i warned kristin of this earlier. even if you don’t use it that often, you are going to be bombarded!
Born to be wild – quit crying.
born 2-why do you even come on here if you hate it so bad? every post i have ever read of yours is nothing but bashing. if other blogs are so much better, than by all means, join them. hopefully they won’t get to see what a sour bitter human being you are or they just might tell you to move on as well.
checkme’s information gave actual places and activity that was happening without saying..the news and beth are outside the vander sloot’s home.
kat-or at least someone who thought they were so big and bad in their little hometown. now when the poop has really hit the fan and they aren’t backing off…he’s turning in to a wupped little boy.
Born to be Wild said:
It is totally hilarious to see how many people have been getting so complicated on this blog. (How many of you work?)
IS YOU OR AIN’T YOU WORKING? By me using that diction, your comment is annoying!
Kat – on the joran/beth deal – you have to realize this kid was put on guard in the middle of the night and Jug and his boys I am certain were accusing him – i have to be honest if it were me I think I might get a little hot too. On the mom, of course he would want to reasuure her even if he did do something, no one wants to disappoint their mom. On the something bad comment i think that was blown way out of proportion as i said earlier I almost guarantee you the question was phrased”What do you think happened” and when she had still not shown up, he probably said i think something bad happened which could mean anything including drowned.
crs – Thanks….was just suprised to see it keep happening
pktbk – I noticed your warning earlier….but then saw it happen again by someone else. Just trying to save an email address for someone. Those two that were posted here are basically useless now for quite some time.
psa-no problem…for us anyway.
be back in an hour….
I think born2bwild is actually G.
KRIS: thats an interesting post indeed
ROB: there are 2 that I know of: Tierra del Sol (close to the lighthouse) en Divi Golf (that is at about the start of eagle beach). There’s a miniature golf close to the divi golf. Curious: what has it to do with the case?
fyi: the tourist strip starts from south to north with eagle beach (low rise hotels) and then palm beach (high rise mainly). Last hotel on the strip is The MArriot resort consisting of a big time share, another big time share and then a big hotel.
Before the Marriott is the Holiday inn.
I still think the news report about when Greta & Beth first got to the Van der Sleaze house to confront them the other day is funny, how Father VDS emerged from the bushes…I just have this visual of a grown man hiding in the bushes, peeking out through the shrubs..and then emerging with leaves and twigs all in his hair..
Sorry. A bit delirious here at work.
Larry:
Yes, I’m still here…at work. That’s why I miss so much…get busy, then have to come back & play catch-up.
So the search has begun in Noord??? I have a gut feeling the Texas Team is going to turn up something while they’re there!!!
STEP ASIDE! THE ‘CLYDES’ HAVE ARRIVED! Got Bud??
MOM–
Very poetic and funny.. I could use a bud about now
LOL LOL LOL – G.
Bham- I am glad someone else thought that was hilarious too – between beth yelling heeelllloooo, heeeeelllloooo, Greta yelling someone’s in the bushes and Senior Sloot shuffling over like he had a poop in his pants i bet fell out of my chair laughing. Last night was pretty funny too when they are driving around like Thelma and Louise. I think Greta and Beth are the new Startsky and Hutch.
LOL! Thelma and Louise
NEWS FLASH!!!!!!
Tonight, Greta and Beth will invite everyone on this blog to join them while they tour Aruba for answers!!
Sim and Checkme wil be our official tour guides, while Born 2 be wild will go out on his own in search of Geraldo!!!!!
I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard at text on the computer !!!:) That is funny!
I disagree you know y, we only saw his feet and what it looked like was that he came out then turn back towards the house, and when beth said I am Natalee’s Mom he rushed, out, I am from the Caribbean and there are ppl like Jehovah Witnesses that come to ur gate u dont wanna go out there, so u peep out, and thats what he did, come on guys if he was really hiding like that he wouldnt a come out, remember we couldnt see the face, pls think about it guys, I dont see what he did wrong, yall so quick to judge that man b/c he is joran’s dad
Thanx, Kris.
Sometimes my humor screams to come out. I try to maintain it….a little, maybe
After this is all over…and Natalee is home….let’s ALL go out for a Bud!!! On me!
*flips thru her coin purse, counting out change*
Seriously – I can’t wait to see what Greta and Beth are up to tonight.
Lady – I’m sure he was just hiding in the bushes to see who was coming on to his property, but it’s still kind of a funny visual..
MOM – Don’t let Stefe hear you asking for a bud!! I think she’ll get real pissed!!!
Yea and thats what I thought it was not him hiding, I’m just like this we all dont know what happened or whats happening, that man seem shy I wouldnt want cameras all up in my house like that, it isnt easy for his parents also, they lost their son no he isnt dead but it is hard on them too, yes I know its worst on beth but pls give these ppl some form of account, i felt it for the mother last night I did, i’m sorry, im not a mother but i could imagine how my mother would feel
Jake:
LOL
I’ll get over it
I just think Paul is funny, his movements are hilarious, like when he was running, you can’t take this whole thing seriously you have to appreciate some of the comedy.
I just never found it funny curious, honestly if they bomb rush me too i woulda run however, if they just came up politely I would talk if i have nothing to hide
Do any of you agree that Van Der Sloot Sr. looks like Kelsey Grammar??
Jake – I don’t know about that, but I could see Paul falling off a stage like Kelsey did a few weeks back.
Jake:
I was thinking VDS Sr. looked more like John Wayne Gacy.
Ladyaj-
I felt for the mother of Van der also. + the Father also could have just ran away. I think it was cool of him to invite them in.
Jake,
Way funny–yes. Oh it is nice to laugh. Are you working or are you watching TV today?
yes I think so it says allot, and the fact that they went on the record yesterday, it says allot, and explain to ppl all the questions they have about the boy the investigation and his parents
crs-I saw that-HILARIOUS.
Born 2 Be Wild- must be cutting his veins by now. Hey B2BW- I’m on my lunch break! I DO work. I don’t build ships, but I work!!!
I think it will take cooperation from Joran, Deepak, and Croes And father Paul VDS to find Natalee.
A break will come from a deal with one of them in exchange for identifying the location where Natalee is.
I don’t think she is in Venezuela, or Suriname, or Colombia.
Quite honestly, I like the Sloots, when you get down to it, they seem like a nice family just like NH’s. I have found myself starting to hope Joran did not have anything to do with what happened.
crs I agree after I listened to the mom I pray for her sake that he is, and as for the father the mother expalined he is shy and dont really like press, there are allot of ppl like that, but as b4 Im happy they went out there and show ppl who they are and how they feel.
Kris-I am ALWAYS watching tv. It’s my job. (ironically).
crs..I agree..when I saw Step Dad talking last night about his Good Old Boys From The South and himself going over to Van Der Sloots at 4AM shouting, demanding answers just didn’t sit well with me..on one hand you have step Dad calling Van Der Sloot a lowlife slime bag on TV…and then we have Beth handing out Prayer Cards…don’t make sense…..I understand the frustration and anger..but, Step Dad and Buds just arrived on that Island and I think could have handled themselves a little better …from what I saw of the Van Der Sloops on TV last evening..talking with Greta..I thought Mrs was a sincere grieving Mother…she never stopped crying or was on the verge of tears through the whole interview…
Pistons by 2 tonite in OT.
lol
Well friends….OFF TO LUNCH
Cya in a bit
Snip – I agree, I bet Jug can be a real jackass- he seems a little full of himself – like he is some big deal in Alabama – when he was like “I know tons of lawyers back home” I was put-off, i was like quit being a bigshot.
b2bw – go back to work since you are so busy.
MOM – Cheers!!
Serious question – Are the locals really that afraid to post details on here? Do the kidnappers or bad guys know these locals by the nicknames on here? C’mon, if you really had a reason to be scared or thought the bad guys on here were watching, don’t you think they would have knocked on your door the second that you started posting on here (even before you said anything specific or concrete) just to shut you up in case. Don’t you think they would come after you just for giving those one-sentence comments. My point – if you’re really afraid, then you’ve already caused the damage. Otherwise, you’re just faking.
I dont have cable so I havent been watching any of the interviews – what’s this about Jug acting like a big shot? My mom said she was reading some newspaper article that was interviewing Jug’s brother – and his name (nickname) is Jar!
No offense Bham but Jug seems very redneck to me and if he calls his brother jar – woooo. On your question, Jug was on tv last night and he said him and his “boys” -his word went to Joran’s the first night and i just got the idea he probably thought him and his boys were going to come down the first day and solve the case, secondly, he kept saying and talking about all these lawyers he knew like he was name dropping – he just personally turned me off last night.
Jake,
What do you do?
Maybe Jug’s attitude is the reason why father Sloot ordered his son not to say anything.
Observer:
Good point! These wannabe’s trying to intimidate people on this board by saying this board isbeing watched. Yes it is BY TOM and RED….Those other are throwing out crumbs of news then signing off!
ydave – exactly.
crs-in Jugs defense, he was trying to give the viewers an explanation as to why he hired a local attorney. He said that he knew lots of lawyers, but none of which knows international law. He went on to say that this local lawyer that was hired is helping them NH Family) understand the Aruban laws etc etc etc…
No offense taken – I don’t live in Birmingham anymore but that sounds like good ol’ Alabama boy lingo..Beth seems so down to Earth – opposites attract though, right?
Jake – I still say the guys an ass – I just get that vibe – no wonder NH ran away, J/K!!
Bham…Jughead went with his 5 Buddies over to the Van Der Sloots at 4 AM when they found out where they lived after arriving in Aruba…seems Kid Van der Sloot was trying to talk to them and said he would help them and Dad Van der Sloot went on the defensive I’m sure from all the commotion going on and told his son not to talk to them…if someone showed up at my home at 4 AM screaming accusations I wouldn’t like it very well either…it was rude and didn’t say much how some American’s handle things and take the law in their own hands…like I said..they just arrived and didn’t really know the facts except Kid Van Der Sloot was last to be seen with Natalie…Natalee’s REAL Father conducts himself well, as does his x-wife Beth…
When this case first started, Jug was very humble stating how hard it was trying to help the family and his wife Beth through all of this and also trying to hold it all together himself.
After a while, most people redirect their emotions into a proactive mode. Crying, and too much grief only will delay the case, cause mental and emotional fatigue thus, make on very sick causing one to become dispondent and too depressed. I like the energy and the determination Natalee’s family has. I told my family the other night that I would expect the same from them if the case were reversed!
Did you also hear last night Nat’s father say they are close to solving the case? Also, did you catch the comment about the FBI saying the Arubian polis were doing a good job?
do you think that greta van sustreg got an all access pass because her name sounds so dutch?
Vanessa,
I saw that. I also read on Riehl world some very interesting comments regarding the FBI’s involvement. I would think that this leads more to the theory of a kidnapping. What do you think?
pktbk..I’m part Pennsylvania Dutch and they won’t give me any info:)
Vanessa – Heard both of those comments, could not read much into either one. I think her dad wants this is be over and does not want to offend the arubans. That said, I do think the arubans have done ok with this case and they have gotten a bad rap.
I agree Kris; I’ve thought that for quite some time.
lol snippy-if you had your own news show on national tv, then maybe.
Tonight on CNN @ 8:00 p.m. (eastern time) Nancy Grace investigating the Natalee Holloway case. Watch it!
Arrghhh–have to go do trades, will catch up with all later.
Keep
Just add a van to your last name and your good.
I hope she is still alive. But it needs Joran’s, Deepak’s and Coes’ cooperation to find her.
or a der….
Jake – any particular reason or is NG going to yell and scream like usual and tell everyone they are stupid.
crs – do you dislike Nancy? I know she could be a bit rude at times, but I like her.
Like Geraldo VanDerRivera?
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — The parents of a Dutch youth held in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager say they believe he is innocent, and his arrest has been a “big nightmare.”
Why are they saying this now? NO BODY..NO EVIDENCE…NO CASE???????
If you really believe in your son, wouldn’t you have said this from day 1…
I think she is obnoxious, I have been watching her lately because of NH, but it is very difficult – we had to put up with her here in Atlanta for long time.
or van der o’reilly….
nancy is a bit high strung, but she can ask good questions. the description on the cable thing says a fiesty ex lawyer.
I think the Van Der Sloots were slow to realize the power of the american media, I said a long time ago they should have been doing what they are now to humanize their family and help people relate to them and you can see it is working.
Wasn’t Mrs. VDS in Holland when all of this happened? I would think the shock of it all was too overwhelming to think of speaking to the press until they had all of the facts. Plus I’m sure that Mr. VDS working with the justice dept. played a major role in remaining silent in the beginning.
When NG first started coming on, I didn’t care too much for her..she can be ok at times, but sometimes she just seems a little fake..”THEY FOUND SOME PANTIES WITH HEARTS ON THEM! NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE HEARTS MEAN? DO THEY HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO THE CASE??”
I have to say Greta is about the only one I can stand right now, Hannity lost me when he supported Wilbanks. O’Reilly lost me when I remembered he used to be tabloid reporter for A Current Affair.
I noticed in the Greta interview with the 2 “friends” that they both left C&C an hour before Natalee did – how about interviewing any of the Alabama “friends” that left at about the same time Natalee did that “would never allow her to get in the car with a stranger” ??
Read this article “Caribbean Sex-Trafficking Threatens Women on Vacation” at:
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=111&mode=&order=0&thold=0
It mentions “spotters,” people who target certain women for the sex slave trade. Bartenders then drug their drinks to make them easy for transport to brothels and the like. The article also mentions people in the US (lawyers, etc.) who are well aware of this problem in the Caribbean. Amy Bradley’s “admirers” (the crew on the cruise ship) wanted to take her to the same bar Natalee was last seen leaving, but she told her mother that that was too creepy for her.
The night of her disappearance, she went to the BOYZ II MEN concert, then to C’nC where she stayed until 1:00 AM.
I think, after C’nC closed, Joran and the Kalpoes suggested to take her to the Tattoo boat. And “something bad” happened in the Tattoo boat or after that one closed.
To help cover up what happened, Steve Croes said he saw the three boys drop off Natalee in the parking lot of the HI.
Anita on the radio…
Sorry Observer, allow me…
Checkme, finally, anything new to report?
I would just like to say that I came back to this blog to see what had gone on, and I read some things on another page here about a 5th person, an ex-boyfriend. That is a false assumption. No one around here knows the exact incidents that occured after leaving C&C, but I can surely say that there was not an exboyfriend to add to the scenario.
Anita told Paul to tell Joran to keep his mouth shut because he was getting himself into trouble becasue NH did not show up yet.
Checkme, what’s your gut feel, how long until this thing wraps up?
woo hoo!!! here we go…
fashion-that is very disturbing, yet probably happening.
feels that Twitty will be reuited with her daughter…
its an interview with Greta… did that air already? We don’t have Fox here in Aruba.
What was the name of the family in the movie “The Sound of Music” w/ Julie Andrews???
check-i can see that.
Country – Any idea why NH was not sleeping in her room most nights?
Checkme, Paul and Deepak were telling Joran to keep his mouth shut on May 30th. Was Anita in Aruba that day? Wasn’t she in Holland?
it aired yesterday.
Checkme -yes, it has aired last night and again tonight.
pktbk,
I saw that and thought I would share since this was a possible scenario for what may have happened to Natalee….
Observer: Like I said before, since I am here and also I want to know the Truth and I see that many people on this blog do not know anything about what is going on, I felt it as my civic duty to relay what I see/hear/feel. I thought everybody on this blog knows that. I do not think I have said anything that is not true and not corrected it. I have stated that I was speculating when I was. I can imagine somebody would just leave the blog after reading your word-farts. But since I am who I am I will not be shooed away. You don’t have to be here.
I think Check is looking into his crystal ball!!!
Country Moon – Thanks for the verification on the ex. I knew that was probably a lie!
But Anita did say she called her husband to tell him to call Joran and tell him to stop running his mouth at school about the incident…..that the girl was still missing and he was being watched. Then Mr. VDS called Joran and told him to stop talking about the missing girl to his classmates.
Sleeping arrangements were made by chapperones, and many people did not get to room with our friends. Many people did not sleep in their assigned rooms, but instead slept in the rooms of their close friends, like big slumber party type thing. Aslo, some of the people on the trip liked to turn in early, and others did not, so to avoid disturbing people and causing a fight, we would bunk else were with other friends. Do not take that as saying she was sleeping around with like random guys and stuff. She is not at all like that.
The Von Traps..sound o music.
Who said NH wasnt sleeping in her room most nights?
Amen Checkme!!
Your input is ver much appreciated and more than WELCOMED!!!
Katcall – I think you and I are on a similar page.
CRS and Lady – How could you suggest that Joran is just shy and does not deal with the media well? This guy, whom is mom admits is “confident”, boats about the women he pursues and conquers on his website and prowls around and gets lots of chicks. You think this guy is SHY and afraid of the media?! I bet this guy would love the attention and take it head on.
Do any locals here know any women that have slept w/ or dated Joran?
Since we don’t have any new info on the case, are there any attractive women postin on here?
Country – Thanks for the clarification, with checkme on now who is in Aruba, anything you wish to say to him and the theory being NH has been kidnapped and transported to another island. You have seem to be able to offer a sense of validity to the discussion board.
Observer, the mother said that Paul is shy and deals with the media well, not Joran.
I can not say how many times she slept in other rooms, I only know of one time, it was a night that almost everyone was shumbled up and about. The rest of the time I am sure she was in her assigned place.
observer, they are talking about the father…Paulus.
Country Moon – Been there done that!!! You are right! I hope everyone on here can understand that as well!!! It makes perfect sense!
Vanessa,
Did you find those links I left for you?
Observer, I know I did not say Joran was shy, by all accounts including his mom he is outgoing. You misread something.
I am sorry observer i said his daddy was, where did u get that I said joran was
Checkme, you left me links?? Why no, I didn’t.
ladyJA, and to think – observer is an attorney!
The kidnapping theory I have heard a lot about on different boards and have observed many conversations about that so far. I would very much like to believe that theory over some of the other horrible things some gross people have come up with. I can not make any confirmations on speculation.
I am convainced the three boys took Natalee to the Tattoo party boat, after they left C’nC, and that’s where “something bad” happened.
Hey Checkme – Who all knows again NH is on another island?
Observer, from the word observe, you dont seem to do that
Vanessa, someone said observer takes cialis so he might be blind…..j/k!
Vanessa, I posted these as a gesture and to give you more info (if you did not get it yourself)
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/map/
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/caribb/aw.htm
and the last one:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aa.html
Country – How well did you know NH?
i wish we could actually get her roommates on here. if anything to find out how many nights she actually stayed in her room.
check-what is your opinion of a timeline on this ending? i know you don’t know exactly just your thoughts.
We all know Nat extremely well. Also know Frankie and Ruth extremely well.
Hi all!!
Anything new?
CHECKME!!!!!!!
ydave-i believe your on to something! Maybe they went for a ride and she fell off! They circled around to try and find her, but they couldn’t, and they left!
CRS,
I don’t know who knows NH is on another island. I don’t. I mentioned SA, most probably Colombia. The border between Venezuela and Colombia is lots of jungle so it may be be either country.
KRISTIN!!! Good to hear you. LOL.
Kristin,
Checkme is on another blog page..give me a second and I’ll give you the link….
CountryMoon:
Friends do indeed like to be with friends and I would do the same thing if I were still in my teens. When everyone is randomly assigned rooms, I am sure many on the trip asked could they be switched to pair off with their closest friends. Makes total sense to me.
I too wish the assumptions about NH would stop leaning towards her having any kind of negative behavior.
The sleep around has been Joran! He indeed thinks of himself as THE MAN! He is a young womanizer and some of these poor young girls have no idea that he’s trouble in the making. I am not saying he is guilty yet but study people really hard and go from the facts we DO already know. The picutre painted of some of Joran and his internet bragging and antics are not very good!
hello, checkme—was Natalee kidnapped in the DJ’s van hidden in that large speaker?
Oh…sorry….I see you’ve found each other….heehee….I’m late….xcuse me….
Checkme – like pktkb asked – any thoughts on a timeline for this being resolved?
CM – Who is Frankie and Ruth?
of course i am talking initially…before transporting her to SA
Can I ask everybody, who said that she was kidnapped and where is she now??? I’m sorry I’ve been back and forth
Jake- they were friends on NH that were on tv the other night.
Frankie and Ruth are friend of Nat and were on TV.
Checkme, I was worried about you!
CountryMoon,
Do you think if you say too much to us, you will get in trouble? We don’t want to get anyone in trouble. We’re hearing that the FBI is pulling some of their agents our of Aruba…is this because they know that Nat is no longer IN Aruba? Are they finally going to admit it? And lastly, do you have ANY verification that Natalee is OK?
checkme: thanks for the links…….very informative
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I was afraid it was a link for an online degree in geography (LOL).
KatCall, wrong direction.
CRS, are you asking me to speculate?
FashionQueen, thanks for the hookup… lol
Some of guys on the trip met Joran at the casino before Nat did. They all have said the same thing that the rest of us have, full of himself.
CountryMoon Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23rd, 2005 at 2:19 pm
Some of guys on the trip met Joran at the ca$n0 before Nat did. They all have said the same thing that the rest of us have, full of himself.
Checkme, yes, please speculate!
Checkme:
You’re welcome….I think the friendship that the two of have is so cute…..LOL
breaking news
Checkme,
What’s Up???
Paulus has been requested to come to the Noord police station. Not confirmed but he may have been arrested.
Finally – some news?
Checkme:
We are checking you out but the cryptic messages are driving us crazy. Just understand we all want this to come out good!
i think it’s a one sided relationship…lol
check-speculate unless you actually know? either one is fine.
This is really getting out of hand if he is arrested.
Checkme – based on the theory you and i have going Paulus is not involved correct so this arrest if true would be another red herring?
It was Checkme that said “Watch Noord”!
Hi Country – I used to live in Cahaba Heights – went to Shades Valley
How is everyone holding up there??
check-that’s what my friend said was on hannity colmes, but then someone on here said that they were just questioning him again. is this part of the 8-9 more arrests to be made?
paulus? joran’s father right? sorry, too many names-confusing!
AND A NOTE FOR EVERYONE:
I emailed Tom of scared monkeys and asked him why we couldn’t type ca$sino, and he said because it has something to do with spam and all this stuff….and so anyone who types that word isn’t allowed to send their blog through. i still think it has something to do with the nat case. i will post the email, not to worry-it’s short.
KatCall
What are you talking about? “cryptic messages”??? Like what?
Checkme:
Why would you say things were getting out of hand if he was arrested? Are you a relative of the Van Der Sloots?
crs what u mean by red herring??
Excuse the typo…I meant the two of “YOU” have…..
why would it be getting out of hand? was that not supposed to happen? do they have the wrong guy?
SHOCKtheMOKEY Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 10:44 am
things are getting weird here, VERY weird. just keep your eye on noord
He/She was right, maybe.
kristin-that makes sense about not using that word. the majority of the pop ups you get on some sites have advertisements for that word.
Paulus has been picked up.
By red herring I mean by arresting Paul are we maintaining a front that Joran is guilty so that we can find NH on another island – in other words we are creating a scene so the kidnappers think they are in the clear.
Country Moon: read my last blog and please answer the question -since you claim proximity to Natalee on the trip, who among your party was at C&C’s at about 1:00am when Natalee was still there?
Kind of funny that none have come forth that were there past midnight.
Are we to beleive that NONE of the other Alabama grads were there till closing?
If so I hope they grill them as to why they would not all gather before the taxis came as it was the night before they were to leave.
This info wont change anything, but it will help to educate future groups that go on trips and drink to excess up to the day they leave.
this is a fact, so if i go to Fox News they are going to tell me Mr sloot was arrested
Sim your late, checkme already told us.
THIS IS WHAT TOM SAID ABOUT THE CA$INO THING:
One of the worst parts of our jobs as moderators is dealing with comment spam. Think of having 300 comments a day out of the 2000 we have that are fakes. We have filters that catch almost all of them because the majority use the word ca$ino.
That is why, This story has made it difficult to keep up with, and we are doing our best.
T
Anyone game for moving to the most recent blog? This one is re-loading very slow (over 700 posts).
That’s where I’m going…Hope 2 CU there!
OK so WHO is noord? Someone please answer me, thanks.
My thoughts:
1. the authorities need to take him out of the game and arrest him.
2. since Twitty was prompting that he could be one of the to be arrested parties…
3. extension of principle at base of the 3 boyz’ arrest.
4. only way to ensure that authorities can ask all they want/need.
5. this could change the 2-1 ratio to a 2-2 ratio, opening way for release. (this is just a brainstorm)
ladyJa,
It isn’t there yet, or on cnn. Jake are they saying anything on the TV?
Noord is the area where Joran lives….correct me if I’m wrong…
i think u hit it CRS…BTW, Kris i agree with u…shock had it right
Checkme:
People just want answers! Thorough, clear and concise answers. Speculate, theorize, summarize, heck ….hypnotize….we want more truth and discovery!
Most recent blog…a poster (Simian) says Daddy VDS has been taken in for questioning again.
I went to http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1178
Ally,
To bad he/she is gone. I still haven’t received an email from him, or Tom letting me know if he got my email address. Wish he/she was back with us.
First thing to understand here Wild is that not everyone went to C&C that night. I can not disclose who stayed till just past 1, but I can say that those that did staggered out. No one left alone. When you are having a good time, and are a little buzzed and you look to see who is left around you that you know, you grab the arm of the closest friend, you dont sit there and do the calculations in your head of exactly who is left and who should have been home. No one did this, no one felt the threat that they should have to.
ok onto the next blog i guess
Checkme-you mean, arrest the dad, release the boy, put all blame on dad for about 2 weeks, then release dad because there is not enough evidence, to then find dad and son off the hook??? I don’t get it. Either Joran confessed and they are calling in the dad, or does anyone know if the Texas search Team started the search?
we had a great source earlier until pappy ran him/her off…………………WTG pappy!!!! Did he/she not say something big was going on in Noord?!
Check and Simian:
Been following your info, silently. Created a few theories would love to share with you but will not because of various reasons. Now that they just announced on Fox Papa VdS arrested, as you said, I’m even more all ears. I have a theory that I’d love to share with you but not on here — any ideas?
Maybe they are going to formally charge Joran of murder, and since he is only 17 they need to have one of the parents there..
CountryMoon:
Go to http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1178
I think most of us switched to this blog as this one is getting too full.
Anne – just say it.
yeah! thanks big papy! you ran off our other reliable source!!
Confirmed. He has been detained.
Vanessa,
Yes, Shock said it was getting weird and to watch noord
What? He’s been arrested???
Anne you saw that on Fox news
Going to other blog. I can’t keep up here
Anne,
Please share with the rest of us…so many different scenarios have been giving…why not give yours too!!
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?
Oh my God…
I’M MOVING TOO I GUESS…
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???
Did everyone leave
Oh where is checkme at?
?That when they originally let the 3 boys go, that they WERE followed, and that cell phones were tapped, and that search warrants were placed to search the homes, and that is why they were able to arrest Croes, and now the dad. They said that noone is talkiing, but since the 3 boys were under servelance for almost 2 weeks, the authorities are now making the rest of the arrests. ?
It is confirmed on Cnn that he has been arrested
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